Well, it's that time once again for the show that has no music,
no commercials, no jingles, no talent and no agenda. I'm Adam
curry in the curry manor in Guilford.
And I'm John C. Dvorak out here in the middle of nowhere
Northern California.
It is Saturday, Saturday evening. It's really cold here
in in the UK. It's like it. I think it's actually a little bit
below zero right now. So how's it out there in California,
John?
Well, the sun's out, but it's foggy. It's just slightly foggy.
And it's actually chilly here too. It's, it was I think, as
low as 35 Fahrenheit. Yes, last night.
Or I was just thinking, you know, you called me and said,
Okay, I'm up. I'm ready to do the show. And I said, alright,
well, I'll call in a couple minutes. Let me go make a cup of
tea. And then you said, Yeah, I'll go make a cup of tea too.
And as I was making my tea, I was thinking, boy, aren't we the
perfect married gay couple?
You know, little older guy, younger guy. making tea. All
right, so you promised me earlier in the week?
Wait a minute, stop. Okay, you know, there's a you know, when
you did when we call it when you call me, by the way, I want to
get into a little rant here. Before we go on do anything
in a rant on me? Did I do something wrong? No, it's
that when you said are you up? And about? It just triggered a
thought? Because, you know, it's like, up and about up and about
what, you know, where does that term come from up and about?
Psych? You know, he's out and about, or in Canada boot is out
and about? It's kind
of a polite way of saying, Are you no shortcut code for saying
Are you ready to ready to do the show?
Yeah, no, but what is it? What is the about part come from?
Where does that come into the picture? I mean, well, how does
that phrase even evolve? And here's what it what what thought
it triggered. Some years ago, I got burped listening to Carly
Fiorina, I give a speech and I noticed other women CEOs started
to say this phrase, and this the phrase that bugs me, and the
phrase is, by and large, and by and large, by and large, and
I've never I could never tell whether it was by enlarge, or by
and large. And what does it mean by and large? So I heard some
guy in the TV the other night saying at some one of the
politicians as well by and large, blah, blah, blah. I'm
taking by and large by and large, what, where does this
phrase come from? And why do people use it? And what does it
mean? And how and what is it? Is it by and large? Is it by
enlarge? It just, I can tell
you from doesn't come from, like Old English or something,
does it? But and why are we using it? I mean, I just wanted
to say I actually was gonna bring it up. I think maybe I
mentioned it on one of these things that just when I hear it,
I just cringe. I don't know why that it annoys me so much. It's
also probably a phrase that someone is implementing that,
you know, just to buy some time while they're thinking about
what bullshit they're gonna say next.
By and large, that's probably true.
By the way, by and large. There's a great BBC programme
called Global Business used to be called in business, Peter de
host this, I've seen the show.
I think it's but it's radio. It's not it's not video.
Oh, I haven't seen it. Maybe I'm imagining I saw
it. No, because Peter de interviewed me about podcasting
in 2005. And, you know, he's like this, one of these real old
time, you know, trench coat, Naga, carrying journalists who
travels all over the world,
and interview that's a good reference. Nobody's gonna get
the Nagar reference, but I did. Thank you.
So he has Tony Perkins, as you mentioned, Pura, who was HPs.
CEO,
Carly Fiorina, Carly Fiorina.
Yeah. Yeah. Right. She was so you know, that whole scandal and
the whole boardroom blow up and tracking cell phone records and
shit and impersonating you know, board members, big news here,
right? So you might want to listen to that really good
interview. He goes pretty in depth and all that stuff.
Is it complimentary? By and large completely by and large.
When he's up and about he, by and large is quite
complimentary.
So you're gonna say something before I rudely interrupted you?
Well, earlier in the week you asked me if I'd heard this
podsafe Christmas song I'm like, and I said the same thing I just
said before we hit record is mean if everyday we're Christmas
and you'd like know this thing that Jonathan Coulton and I
don't know I mean, this has been around for a year apparently. I
don't know if
well, once you play but my daughter is a huge fan of this
guy. Well, he's he is huge and
he did come from I'm I'd say the podsafe music revolution.
Well, here's his podsafe Christmas song
All right, I'm gonna give this so I've not I don't think I've I
certainly don't recall seeing a YouTube video but I have it
lined up. You may not hear it through your headphones but here
okay guys everyone ready to sing the song?
Now remember it's almost Christmas and nobody has any
podsafe Christmas music so that's your motivation here.
CeCe Chapman you ready?
Linda? Nora from Jawbone good to go. And Adam curry Skyping in
from the helicopter flying somewhere above your golden
palace. You all pitched in there, Adam. Adam, Adam I do
remember this actually
I'm not gonna play the whole thing. Well, that's that is
pretty funny. You got to kind of see the video because you can't
understand all the all the lyrics and they have it on
screen. As pretty funny. But have you heard every day over
Christmas?
I think so. Yeah.
That's the that was the the podsafe music. We are the world
where everyone, everyone cut their tracks, you know, at their
own home studios. And, and then they put it all together.
You know, the whole podsafe thing is like and I think it's
under appreciated.
Um, it's it's interesting, you know, Ron and I met in in New
York, with Alan Grubman. Do you know who that is? Oh, yeah. So,
I, you know, I met Alan Grubman once or twice in the in the MTV
days he absolutely did not remember me.
Explain to the audience who he is.
Alan Grubman is the music industry lawyer at the music
industry law firm, which was what does it Grubman and Dorsky
Schindler? I think I don't know. And basically, these guys have
an amazing racket. They negotiate both sides of any deal
with the music industry. So, if you want to licence music from
basically there are four major labels. Then you do that
negotiation with Grubman and Dorsky Schindler, who also
represent the labels and they sit right on the fence and they
basically they sit in the middle and they negotiate on both
sides. And because of that, they've become incredible.
They've been incredibly powerful and they represent everybody and
everything that moves. It's just an amount it's like Willy
Wonka's chocolate factory of money in there. And, and Alan
Grubman is obviously one of the he's like Danny crane, if you
ever watched the
right everybody denigrate, he's Denny crane.
But Ron knows him really well, because Ron when he was going
out with Princess Stephanie, and Stephanie was getting into the
record business and Prince Ron, you said, Hey, man, you know,
what is his record business shit about the, you know, Ron Blum
being as he is, of course, he said, I'll bring some of the top
guys over and they'll tell you all that. And so he called up
Alan Grubman and said, You know, I'm going to take you to go see
a printer near so that of course, is one of those small
things that that gets you meetings easily in New York.
They remember that shit that would but anyway, you know, the
we basically had that conversation about podsafe music
with those guys. And everyone everyone knows that the the
music and the labels are completely fuck, they have
absolutely no desire to try anything new. They just want big
checkup front from everybody in for everything all the time. And
they're just all watching it kind of go down the drain. Quite
amazing. So I think you're right, this pod save thing is
undervalued.
Well, I think it'll, it's just one of the things that it will
gain momentum. It just makes too much sense.
It's pretty big already. You know, it's
well yeah, I know you've got like, how much stuff how many
songs do you think that are just on the pod show?
Well, I know we have some we have like 35,000 artists. And
you know God knows how many tracks each artist has has
uploaded or label. We got some pretty big labels on there too.
Like an orchard. They do huge, huge distribution of independent
music. It's good. And Duran Duran just showed up with one
track the other day. Yeah, you remember them, don't you?
From the from when I was a little kid. Hey, John.
Today is super shipped Saturday on National Geographic
What does that mean? It's
the whole day. All they show is super chips. Like how they built
the Queen Mary two.
Oh, that could be actually kind of fun. It's
amazing. It really is. That thing is three times as big as
the QE two, which in turn was twice as big as the Titanic.
I think the thing is only coming over to the US. I just come over
the us sometime. I think it was over here recently. And then
it's, it doesn't visit over here that much. It's gorgeous in New
York was supposed to, I don't know, I was I was following its
I wanted to get on board. The thing. I think it was in San
Francisco for a day. And so I got a hold of the coonara. Do
people
think that's the owner? coonara. Yeah.
And I said, you know, I'd like to, you know, I'm a journalist,
blah, blah, blah, trying to scam. They went on and on with
the you can't come on under any circumstances because your
country's Homeland Security won't allow it went on and on
really?
Oh, that's crazy. I said even
with an escorted tour, I can't get an escorted tour. No, it's
against the rules, thinking well, that's great good for your
publicity. Well, the
reason why I find it hard to believe the reason why you don't
see it that often is because they just because I watched most
of the programme before we got on the Skype, they had to make a
very important design design decision pretty early on. In
order to make it the size that it was, it had to be wider than
the Panama Canal. So it can't actually go through the Panama
Canal. So it has to go around Cape Horn to do around the world
trip. And so that's why, you know, it does a different route
than most the one was originally intended, even between, it just
takes longer to complete its whole journey.
So that's why you don't see it. Don't make sense.
But wow, what an amazing,
he's gonna take it over over to New York one of these days.
You know, I would certainly want to do it. Patricia is a very
against cruise ships and ocean liners, because when she was 16,
and you know, her dad had a big band. And she by default had to
kind of go along and she was the singer. And she played the
marimba, I think, you know, they spent months on cruise ships,
and she really loads. She has a real mental block about getting
on a cruise ship, because she's not a blamer, she has the idea
that she can't get off, she doesn't like that, that thought,
you know, I have that same feeling about you know, they do
a lot of events at trade shows than they, they every once in a
while somebody comes up with this crazy idea. That's we're
gonna do it on a boat, and you're gonna get a boat ride. I
mean, I did the only one. I did one. The last one. I did
actually, when I was writing for Forbes, they take it because I
wanted to do this anyway. But Forbes has this yacht, the
Highlander that they like to take, you know, they take their
customers out on, you know, the advertisers. And I was wanted to
get a ride on and they were one day they were going to do one of
these trips. And so I got jumped on that. And I spend most of my
time talking to the crew, because the thing is fully
crewed all the time, and it's got like a chef on board.
It's a little little town.
And it's the ride that they give these guys is one ride around
Manhattan Island, it takes about 45 minutes, about an hour, they
take about an hour to do it. Anyway, they zoom around, and
then they you know, go around that Statue of Liberty and they
can park the thing back over and whatever it wherever it is. And
that's a lesson but generally speaking, it's like, if you're
in the media, and somebody wants you to go to one of their boat
trips, I just refuse to do it. Because I just like to get in
and out of these things. You don't want to be stuck listening
to somebody lecturing you on a boat, you can't get
off. And I've also found that there is always a percentage of
people. If you have enough of them, it always pops up no
matter how how big the boat, how slow. There's always a
percentage of people who get seasick. And it's like, it's
wrong. You know, it's a man I've been on really bad junkets like
that really, really, really bad weather. We're just lots of
people seasick. And I mean, seriously, and yet, still, oh,
well, we'll be back at shore in three hours. fucking dying man.
So yeah, that is a problem people get see, you know, I, I
don't normally get seasick. But I have gotten seasick a few
times. And I'll tell tend to get seasick, like on a yacht or a
boat or anything. If I go up to the front, the really the very
front front front part of the boat. Yeah. You know where you
would normally go? I'm king of the world. Yeah, yeah. And it
just mopping up just enough to cake. And once you know the
problem with getting seasick is that if you if you start to get
seasick, you panic about it, and then it makes it worse, and then
you do get seasick. And it's like, embarrassing.
I've never been seasick. I in fact, I haven't puked in 20
years. I just refuse. I don't do it. I'm a non believer. Write
that down. Yeah, why? whole family is anti package.
So talking about fuel travelling, I was gonna I'm
trying to make the transition, you just blew it for me. So
talking about travelling, I understand that your hassles
have continued in, you're coming in and out of the country you're
telling me about and I would be interested in you because you
found out new information?
Yes, I did, I found out that I'm on what's called a lookout list.
And this lookout list is automatically or maybe we would
say dynamically generated from something that is relatively new
about a year old called ATS, the automatic targeting system,
which is imagine a Google page rank for a terrorist threat
rating. So it trolls from these just hundreds of databases from
federal state and the OAS tribal level, from DMV to IRS, as a
part of the Treasury enforcement computer system, which is
basically this big black box of information. And the ATS does
some kind of SQL query, I guess, and, and looks at, you know,
what you what kind of different things popping up or their flags
put in or it could be anything from parking tickets to a tax
filing, I guess. And in a jet, it'll just pop up a flag if it
has a rating. And that, for me is going to be means automatic
secondary screening, which is different at each port of entry.
But apparently, this system Congress a year ago specifically
said that they did not want this system to be to be put in place
by Homeland Security. So there's a few there's a link that I have
on curry.com. And also daily source code.com That goes to an
ACLU page that explains more about that in some more detail.
For a number of reasons. One, the information will be stored
for 40 years 402. It does not it does not it lives outside of the
Privacy Act. So you cannot request to see your record. So
you can contest anything that's on it. And
in other words, it could be just a bunch of BS in there, and
there's nothing you can do about
it. Well, and this is just what I'm extrapolating from all the
information I've I've received, I believe that they that that
literally, it's a one way system only. So you know, there's some
where there's some logic in the middle of all these databases.
And then there's the really the display that the Customs and
Border Protection Agency sees. And so my name is entered, and
it gets a couple of different flags from God knows what
different things and literally, when you look at what's attached
to this system, it's you know, believe me, I'm in there for
some, there's no doubt about it. Or someone could have put
something in there about me. But yeah, but the the middleware
kind of doesn't know where it's all coming from. It just assigns
a score, and then says, oh, wait a minute, you should talk to
this guy. That's basically it. And I guess there's different
levels of ratings, and there's no way to drill down to the
information and find out where it's coming from. I mean, of
course, if you're if you built the system, of course, there's a
way to but apparently, there's no way for CBP to do that. And
there's no way to change it.
So they based so you walk through the you come into the
country, American citizen, I might add, you can roll it in.
And the thing is this, this, Sam, you're
gonna know. So you walk through me I have those glass aisles as
as it were, by and large and large, and you put on your
passport and your landing card. And so then either he types in
your name or swipes the actually it's not a swipe, it's, it's
reading an RFID chip, which is embedded in all the new
passports. And this guy was I could already see he was one of
those types of guys because he just sent the people in front of
me. He said, Look, this is not legible. I can't read this is
unacceptable. Get out of here and go fill in a new one and do
it properly. You know, one of those guys. So I put down I
think he does. Well, you know, some of them are funny. It's
okay. And you used to be John before I was on the lookout
list. And in fact, pre pre 911 I would have to say I kind of
enjoyed coming up to the border because it was hey, welcome
home. Every single time
I say what do you say welcome home welcome
home is to curry and you feel so good when they said that I just
saying it gives me a kind of a warm feeling. And so I haven't
gotten that for a long time. Maybe sporadically, you know,
and sometimes they'll recognise me in a man MTV guy who has
Martha
so what was so you actually they get they get pretty ornery
sometimes what were you out of the country for you know or
well Oh, yeah, sometimes they usually asked me that usually do
but anyway, when the guy says, Hey, you ever have any problems
get into the country? I said, Yeah, like, every single time
for the past four goes he said, Why would today be any
different? said There you go. And he said, Come with me and so
that he gets out of his booth. I follow him. He takes me to
secondary, which is a different a second secondary room with
kind of like, you know, like DMV, basically, with chairs and
a high desk. And then he hands
me she's not a high desk. I like to hide desks. Yeah, nice touch.
Yeah. Oh, it's very authoritative. And but it's
still kind of like, you know, there's it's kind of messy. It's
grimy, right. It's all kinds of shit stuck on the wall yet
style. Right? Very Soviet style. And then and then you're told to
sit down and you know, the guys bringing up your info. And then
he says, okay, Adam curry and then Yep. And there's, there's
people there, you know, this British couple and, and all
kinds of real mix, not, you know, not specifically, what you
might expect terrorists looking folk. And then, and then, you
know, he just starts to ask me all kinds of questions. And from
his questioning, I can tell that he's just probing he there's
nothing specifically that he's looking for. He's just trying to
figure out if I stumble over something, or if I if I say
something weird, you know, he's it's very basic interrogation
tactics. And, you know, Hey, you didn't put the address of your
hotel, you just put Palace Hotel, said, Oh, well, hold on.
So I pull up my phone, and I look at the agenda. So it's 455.
Madison, he says, is that a phone? What's the what's the
number? Yeah, so I give him the number. And, you know, he's
like, You got a business card? I was prepared for this one, you
know, so yes, well, here it is. You already have a couple, you
can add this to your collection. But you know, so he's asking
these questions. And he's writing it down with a ballpoint
pen on a piece of paper, or like, you know, on a forum or
anything, as soon as it goes in the can after it's done.
Exactly. It's so it's total horse. Okay, sit down. All
right. So sit down. And then a little while later, okay. And
he's written on my, yeah, you can go and he's written on my
board and card E and F, which I guess stands for enforce or
whatever. And so I get my bag, which has been twirling around
for 30 minutes now. All lonely, and then I you know, then you
still have to go through and hand off your, your landing card
slash customs form. And of course, you know, they're
immediately you know, it's like, okay, go over to that line
behind the glass. And then I get another guy assigned to me. And
he goes through exactly the same questions while he's going
through my luggage. And I but I mean, like, opening up
envelopes, you know, looking at addresses, checking, you know,
just the general stuff and continuously asking questions.
And this first guy was kind of funny. I was sad, actually. I
mean, he, he really was getting nowhere with me. And he started
to stutter, and it got really, really bad. And he just couldn't
ask the questions anymore. And I'm like, oh, man, I don't want
to crack up, this is gonna be fucked up. And luckily, he you
know, he called over one of his colleagues and said, I've got to
go over there, you know, you take over the secondary. And
then this guy started asking the same questions, you know, and
then empty out your pockets and just fishing around for stuff.
And then finally, it's like, okay, you can go. So in all
about an hour and a half.
Well, that's a waste of time on February. That's a waste of the
government's money as a matter of fact, but let's go over this.
And you said that the last time you went through this process,
they weren't going through your bags, or they did some
superficial thing, are they going through your bags more?
More now? Is that?
I think it depends on because this has happened to me now at
three airports in Chicago. There you know, I was picked I was met
right at the at the jetway, and but the guy knew me like MTV guy
knew me.
Until we were met at the jetway. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean
you're coming off the plane? There's guys waiting to grab
you.
Like, absolutely. And I can tell they're waiting for me because
they made one of those announcements. Ladies and
gentlemen, please have your passports out because the TSA
will be looking at your passports as you come as you
exit the jetway. And so I had my passport out. And then you know,
I showed it to one of the agents female agent, she said, Yep,
this is one curry. And then there was another guy and he
took my passport and I was like, oh, cool, man. I'm getting like
VIP treatment. Yeah, I'm walking through all the lines.
Experienced and I'm walking through your gal. That's
hilarious. Oh, this is awesome. And and then he takes me he
said, Who says Go ahead, go get your Go get your luggage. And so
he's asking me questions, you know, but pretty harmless. He
clearly knew who I was. And, you know, he made his assessment
pretty early. And then he said okay, now you can go and then he
actually I was in the terminal building had pass through the
sliding doors. And he said, Adam, Adam, Adam, dude, I'm
sorry. But I am required to look through your bag. So you got to
come back. And so I went back, like he had, like someone had
told him off or something. And so, you know, I had to go back
through the doors. And he didn't really do a wholehearted search,
but he went through the motions of opening stuff up. And then it
happened twice in San Francisco. And I think it's really the
resources because at Liberty airport in Newark, you know,
they've got a pretty big staff, you know, it's it's well
equipped, San Francisco was much smaller, and Chicago. I think,
you know, I just got a different it that may be maybe really
fucked up. But just because the guy knew me, I kind of got a
semi semi secondary treatment by and large,
by and large. So, this is an interesting developing story, I
have to say, the you, you versus the TSA. Well, and
it's well, it's actually Homeland Security. TSA has very
little to do with it,
though. Okay, you're right. I'm sorry that TSA has got nothing
to do with it. It's the customs and immigration people. Yeah,
it's
CBP. So it's Customs and Border Protection Agency, right. Who
are a Division of Homeland Security.
I wonder what it says on the on the computer screen? You know, I
mean, just like a private Oh, this guy's your rate rated
number three, you get grilled? Take him aside and ask him these
questions. Yes, it's just a standard thing they do with
everybody that comes up with that flag. Yeah, I
think it's pretty low level because there's no they're not
looking for anything specific that I know for sure. And you
know, there's no body search. So maybe that's coming. Oh, joy.
Oh, joy. I was gonna say think
you're a smuggler? Maybe. You can't be can't be It can't be a
terrorist thing. Because you know, why not? Doesn't make any.
Please look at yourself. You're a blonde guy. Well, maybe
Amsterdam, that maybe it's I think it's either smuggling. I
mean, you lived in Amsterdam for a long time. You know,
I'll tell you, I'll tell you. When I had my old passport, I
got a new one, maybe a year ago, which could also have something
to do with it, because my old one certainly didn't have the
RFID chip in it. But it had all kinds of visa stamps and, and
stuck in paper visas for Kuwait and Iraq. That probably didn't
help if they were inputting information. Based upon that.
You know, that's a possibility.
Oh, you had a you had a visa to Iraq. Yeah, I
went to Iraq in 2003. For 10 days. Yeah.
Well, there you go. That's the whole thing right there.
But it was, but that'd be it. Maybe, but I don't but that's
not. That's not on this new passport. But maybe, maybe this
time, I bet. Maybe they couldn't track me until then.
I don't know. I bet you bet you bet it's in the system.
Could be could be or maybe just because I keep saying on my show
skull. Fuck the rotting corpse of the TSA make, could that have
anything to do with
it? Something anybody from the TSA listens to this show? Live
just
about that for one second. So once again, I'm leaving Newark
Liberty airport. And I'm always observing the and that, of
course, is the TSA. You know, first of all, you have that
nuclear programme. I just can't believe that they're actually
trying to get people to freely give away their retinal scan and
fingerprints to the government. Fantastic idea. And then you're
clear. And then I look at these idiots, total idiots who are
running airport security. And I literally I could see these poor
saps these guys who had bought, you know, perfume and all kinds
of nice gifts for their wives or going back home. And they bought
them duty free right there at the airport. And you can
literally see these women going on. Sorry. No, that's see that's
110 millilitres, you can't take that on board. So you're gonna
have to dispose of that here. Like she has. They're taking
that home with them. And that it's why are there no
journalists signing up to become TSA and reporting on it? Because
I have to believe these people are the same idiots who were
doing airport security 15 years ago, before, you know, when when
we were laughing about them then I don't know where they get
these people from, but they're total nincompoops.
Well, you know, I think that I actually admire these folks. I
want everyone out there to know that I, by the way, I just had
nothing to do with his commentary. So the reason that
journalists you know what I'm thinking the reason journalists
won't do that and they could, is that they'll end up in get mo
Okay, that's a good point. That's enough point.
You know, I mean, there's one guy, there's a thing on PBS or
one of the stations recently some guy who went around some
writer, I think it was out of Chicago, where he was out of I
can't remember. But anyway, he was people out there probably
seeing this. And we went out and he did a kind of an expose a on
how insecure or unsecured our railway system is, when it comes
to like shipping hazardous material and how the summit goes
right through New York, and you could put a bomb on one of these
things and blow it up in the middle of the city, and, you
know, chlorine gas and half the population. Right? So So he went
to, I'm sorry, the report, he went around with this business
car, and he stuck it all over these things as though they were
bombs, you know, but it weren't. And then he wrote it up. And
then he got nothing but hate mail from everybody's, and
you're just given the terrorists, more ideas and blah,
blah, blah, like these terrorists, you know, under
everybody's bed, the communist threat of the 50s. Alright,
so on that note, you know, I will say that, indeed, if
everything was secured, and we had this type of, even at a
minimum level, this type of security for all of the threats,
then I would buy into it, that someone's actually trying to
protect us. And I wouldn't mind airport security if it was done
properly, you know, twice on the way out and the way back, and I
tried it, I've got a bag, you've seen this bag that I have,
right, John? Yeah, the bag, the rolling bag with everything in
it, everything in it. And it's got transmitters and wireless
microphones that I have hairspray, of course, I've got,
you know, tonnes of wires and extra batteries and all this
shit. And this bag never gets opened, ever. Ever. They never
opened the bag, and they'll look at it, and they're gonna, and
they're just and I'm like, I certainly have enough shit in
there to do something. I'm sure I could MacGyver something
together. You know? So I don't know, it just just makes no
sense.
It's just it sounds more like you're being harassed. Rather
than anybody really cares to find anything that's of
interest. Let's
see, I don't believe that the
maybe you come up with an H, harass this guy getting in and
then give a score saying we want him delayed for at least an hour
and a half?
I don't think so I can really see that. It's a very clear
instruction that they really just don't know what to do with
me. And I think it's just like, you know, just talk to the guy
and see what's going on. They're not harassing me that I think
they're doing their job. And you know, and they're doing it
pretty well. It's just the system is stupid and redundant.
You know, I have to answer the same questions three times just
to get out of the building. But I don't think it's harassment.
It's just an inefficient system. And you know, if, if there's a
reason for me to pop up on the screen yet, of course, you
should ask me, but I think that there should be a way to say,
Okay, we've talked to the guy, he's clear, you know, let's just
check them off, you know?
Well, I guess for the next 40 years coming in and out of the
USA, you're gonna
be you don't want to travel with me?
No, definitely not. That's, that's for sure. Yeah, well,
whatever the case is, it's I'm sure, we'll get more anecdotes,
because it's gonna get funnier over time. So what do you guys
think? And anything? Anything in the news you've seen? That's
interesting that Yeah,
yeah, I think so. I'm trying to wrap my head around it. You
know, the only newspaper I read is The Financial Times. And I
thought they they did a pretty good job of covering this. But
I'm still trying to extrapolate it into a conversational topic,
this move that all the central banks made earlier this week.
Did you follow that? No. Okay. So I've become interested in
central banks ever since I kind of found out that, you know, the
Federal Reserve was created in 1913, with the power to print
the US dollar, but that it's not a, you know, it's as federal as
Federal Express, basically, that it's a commercial entity and
commercial banks, you know, like, Oppenheimer, and
what are the everybody's in on the deal? Yeah, all
everyone who's in on the deal? Give me another name. And
another one of those. Oh, yeah, names. By and large, please help
me. Anyway. So I've become interested in central banking
and how they make money and how it works. And a lot of it has to
do with the overnight storage of money and how you basically can
keep lending out the same capital over and over again.
And, you know, so that so there's this credit crunch, this
credit crisis has caused a big problem in the banking world.
And so maybe I'll just tell you what happened. I think it was
Wednesday, the central banks for the first time and I think known
history, all coordinated the same offer to all of the banks
around the world at the same time, in kind of, like a cartel
fashion to essentially stabilise the markets because I think
what's so you didn't hear about this John? No. Okay, so I think
when
you're I am a writer for market watch that I missed this one. I
don't know, Mac, probably you may have heard about it in
passing, and I didn't pay much attention to it, but go on.
Well, I
hope I'm explaining it properly. But this is just fascinated me,
you know, this this credit crunch. And you know how
Northern Rock has been temporarily bailed out by UK
taxpayer money? 25 billion pounds? And there's no anyway.
So I think what has happened that, you know, all these banks
are basically trading with each other all day. And I'm not
talking about the stock market. I mean, I'm talking about stuff
like derivatives. Yeah, well, let me just explain a derivative
real briefly, just the simplest form of swap derivative is
where, let's say I have 500,000 pounds, sitting in a bank
account here, and John has a million dollars, and I'm looking
to spend a million dollars or borrow a million dollars in the
States. And as collateral, and I'm going to be matched up by a
bank, someone looking for the equal amount in pounds. And so
we don't actually transfer the money saving all kinds of
foreign exchange fees, etc. But we build a, you know, we sign a
contract, essentially. So that's a lot of what this is. And I
think that all these banks have become really afraid that no
one's you know, that no one's really good for the credit, you
know, so if there's a time to cash in and say, oh, wait a
minute, by the way, I need to call that loan for half a
million pounds, that it was based on some shady structured
investment vehicles known as you know, subprime debt. And what
the central bank said is they said, you know, what, we're
going to put up a month long loan 10 billion, I think dollars
in total. And we're going to do another one in a month after
that another 10 billion. And we'll lend that to any of you
guys. So that you'll have really real guaranteed equity to trade
against to continue trading. And, of course, none of the bad
and this is the interesting part, none of the banks would be
the first to take a loan from the central bank, because then
it would basically be saying, hey, those guys are in trouble,
they need money. So they came up with this brilliant plan of a
blind auction, where in the auction, no bank can get more
than 10% of the total 10 billion being made available. And that's
basically, I think, bullshit, because probably only 10 banks
that really need the money anyway. So everyone's gonna get
a billion dollars. And it's, it's for a month and so for a
month trading can resume. And it this is a very interesting, I
think, a very interesting phenomenon that's taking place
where, you know, something has shifted so phenomenally that for
the first time in history, these the central banks have have
banded together to stabilise their system, which directly
doesn't really affect your eye that you know, they're they're,
they're running their own fucking show.
So I'm guessing that during that story that you just told five to
six listeners committed suicide.
Was it that boring? I'm sorry.
So I
was it that boring? I'm sorry. I thought that was really
interesting.
Yeah, no, because you're a rich guy that has all this money you
have to deal with, you know, its value. Now,
what are you talking about? It's about the dollar. It's about,
you know, it's about your current your power to
the whole system, that I just look, I just see the whole
system is rigged. And I know there's a bunch of weird stuff
that goes on in the back rooms, and it's all you know, there's
all for somebody's benefit. Generally speaking, it's the
American public does benefit in some long term sense, you know,
at least the country seems to be not falling apart completely.
But anyway, okay. Well, let me look into it. So we can we can
maybe discuss this more in detail next week when I'm more
faqeer Murray. Thanks, Joe. Here's this here's the story
that I thought was interesting.
In contrast to my piece of shit story,
which was it then we have this on the blog, by the way to
work.org/blog. Mitt Romney's VC firm to bi Clear Channel. Did
you see this story coming? Oh,
no, I was too busy paying attention to derivatives.
I didn't realise that Romney was an associate or guest one of the
guys that runs Bain Capital.
Yeah, no, he's he's a successful dude when it comes to wealth
creation.
So the thinking it looks like these guys are gonna couple of
these companies, you know, these big these are these
privatisation guys, right? These big companies KKR being one of
the more that I profile,
they're the leveraged buyout firms.
Yeah, they've been buying stuff left and right all over the
place. And
their plan is to buy clear, cheap Um, yeah. And then watch
it split it up after Clear Channel basically was a?
Well, if you read some of the conspiracy blogs, the reason you
do this is so you can start promoting Romney for President?
Well, obviously there's a huge issue with the ownership direct
or indirect there's a huge conflict of interest. That's
obvious.
I don't think it's a conflict of interest. Where's the conflict
of interest? Romney's wants to be president he by some some.
Aren't there rules against that?
Well, I think all those rules have been putting the band's
years ago. I mean, they let you know, they were almost going to
let one company on every media outlet in one city, you when you
had that crazy Powell running the the EPS, the FCC? I don't. I
don't think there's any thing to prevent that I don't think it's
illegal. I saw
on television when I was in New York, that there's rumours now
Bloomberg is going to join the presidential race.
His name keeps cropping up, but it gets a button. A lot of times
it keeps cropping up as a Democrat.
Yeah. As as a Democrat. Yeah.
Isn't he a Republican? I don't know. What's What was my
understanding? It was maybe I'm wrong. But you know, the
Democrat race is falling apart. I mean, Hillary is just starting
to dwindle. And nobody really wants Obama in there.
I think I think part I think part of this is it's fatigue.
Man, it's very hard to run a campaign for this long, you
know, they started
keepsake. That's why I keep telling people that McCain is
still in the race as the Dark Horse because in the long race
has been to the track. Those horses that are lingering in the
back there. They're the ones who come when you get around that
last turn, turn bam, just like
Ron Cole, you watch the Ron Paul blimp is now flying, John.
Well, you know, Ron Paul is going to be again, you know,
based on my conception of everything's rigged. Ron Paul is
going to be derailed by the powers that be they're not gonna
let him run for president ever. It's not gonna happen. I'm not
gonna have some dirt on him or something. I mean, they're just
waiting. There's no, there's no dirt on this
guy. You don't think they haven't tried? There's nothing
this guy is square and boring.
Well, they're going to do something to them, then maybe
they'll do what they did. You know, the thing that's always
kind of fascinated me, and I've never heard any follow up to the
story. And everyone just says, well, the guy was nutty. So what
difference does it make? It's not true stories, probably bull
was when Ross Perot ran for president. And he was like, he
kept upsetting, you know, I mean, it was one of the reasons
Clinton got in, because this guy is a third party candidate was
changing the, you know, the way they're supposed to work, which
is, you know, you got two parties that, you know, swap
sides every once in a while. And it's you don't want to have
three parties because the system's not equipped to make it
work. So you had to get this guy out. So he quit the president
show race. I think it is the second trial he's going to do
and he says it's because he claims at some group or some
body or somebody high up in the government, right? And wasn't
it? Yeah, it was threatened. Yeah. Him and his family were
threatened in some way by some black ops operation of some
sort. And that was all just you know, it was get kind of floated
through the news system. And then it came out the other end
and he quit and and nobody knew there was never any follow up.
It was everybody kind of reported or assumed it was like,
well, that guy's nuts. Yeah, but he was a crackpot.
Now he wasn't. And you know what? I think Huckabee is being
set up in the same way.
That could be I don't really have much. Yeah.
No fundraising happening. It's, you know, the Chuck Norris
thing. Great, very cute. Great idea. You saw that, right? Yeah.
But otherwise, I don't know, man. It just feels like a total
setup. But with these campaigns being so incredibly long, I
think that you're gonna see all the the press is just going to
be looking for stuff that they can turn into nutty. You know,
so that's why I like the Ron Paul blimp idea, because they'll
have nothing they'll be Oh, finally something else to report
on God.
Yeah, well, that's probably true. And I do think that the
campaign's too long and I think it is a long race and that's why
I still think that McCain is not out of it. And he seems to be
the most relaxed candidate. He doesn't you know, he's not
panicking, you know, which I think we're starting to witness
with Hillary especially I don't know what's going to happen with
these these early primaries, but when the first wave of primaries
hits of the big wave that happens, I guess in February
whenever California and all the rest of them do have a big day.
You know, one of the reasons I think people overlook I've said
this before, which is one of the reasons they keep changing a lot
of these the way this is done is The media itself, especially in
California, when we had a late primary we had to move it up
because because we weren't getting the media money, there's
billions of dollars in these campaign coffers and it goes and
then that money goes to the TV stations and the media outlets
the newspapers and everybody in this is all advertising dollars
that we don't want to lose clear champion if you're not
important, you know, because the race has already been figured
out. And then the primary comes to California nobody cares who
wins because it's already been won by somebody. All those
billions of dollars none of it comes into our our coffers. The
whole thing is it is rigged.
It is but it's just rigged to everybody's advantage.
Well, yeah, well the thing is, it's up for the public in
general we how
can we don't get any of that political money spent on
podcasting and shit?
I think they need to be I don't know, I there's probably there
probably is as a conduit sales conduit that's that's just
specialises in this sort of ad sales. Yeah, that we don't have.
We don't have anybody that that knows it. You know, the one of
the things you run into when you're in publishing, or
broadcasting or anything like that, the sales groups tend to
be, you know, they salespeople move from company to company to
company, and they tend to have the same shared Rolodex. So if
you're, if you're working in a tech like with that PC Magazine,
for example, the the salespeople a PC Magazine, pretty much have
the same Rolodex that they've had 20 years ago, in the same
database. And when you work there, you know, you knew all
you also, you make a copy, you add your couple of contacts in
there, and you you pull out the whole database, and you when you
go to the next company, you take it with you, but it's still
tends to be, you know, within kind of a click, if you're in
broadcasting network versus local or whatever, it's the same
kind of thing. They have their, you know, the people that
they've been selling to over the years, and they obviously won't
have the same Intel contact or AMD contact if they even have
one in a broadcasting environment than they do in a in
a magazine publishing environment. Now that said, the
context involved with getting money from these campaigns
obviously, we don't have them
Well, I'll tell you that it wouldn't work it wouldn't work
because I know that the producers would just have a
really hard time with taking political advertising because it
you know it because it's not really a station right? And each
show is its own show even though they're part of the pod show
network. And if you get like a Rudy do I wouldn't want to Rudy
Giuliani ad run running in front of my show
well that's one of the problems that's probably where you're not
gonna get one now that said blogs do get a lot of political
ads and a lot of them run through Google Adsense Yeah, cuz
I tracked us on the divorce.org/blog blog obviously
and every once a while fed yesterday we hit the blog and
there's an ad for Ann Coulter I'm going Oh, brother, you can
you can block that now. You can change that can Yeah, yeah. No,
you can block it but it usually the only ones I block are the
ones that I find really annoying. And they come up a
lot. Yeah, if I don't see it again.
I probably won't. And those are the moneymakers. Those are the
moneymakers, John
but the but the early what is the earliest punch the monkey so
I got a letter from a kid sibling find it. Who told me
because I was writing or complaining about root. You know
the word and
I heard you I heard you talk about
the kids. The kid that went in with a part of that letter I
didn't read he says you know this is a young guy obviously he
says it's not punched a monkey it slapped the monkey now it's
punch the monkey. I know but he doesn't realise that he thought
it was a reference to you know,
Peter Gabriel I don't know shocked the monkey
whatever the case was it I just thought it was amusing. But
anyway the first political ad I saw on the blog ever was the
McCain ads that came out right away and now by just hitting the
blog and there is an brahminy in 2008 ad ran it's got to take
take out and he's got a big picture of Romney who looks a
little too much like treat Williams for my taste. You know
who always played he was the actor always plays the good
looking evil guy. Yeah, you know, I always thought treat
will treat rooms is getting a little old now. But, but in his
heyday, he was never He was always under utilised because he
played a terrific evil businessman. I mean, it was like
Joe was worth watching him because he'd always get the girl
and he was just a bad person. And but didn't Romney has that
same look, which is just slightly slightly creepy.
It probably doesn't matter who wins anyway, then I'm running
the show.
Well, the guy that it's a system, the guy
the guys with the boring story, they're running the show.
Anyway, so anything else? No man we've way that we've depressed
the users I mean are their listeners are like all going
God, what is wrong with these two?
Alright, I'll just say I'm actually very vibrant and full
of life today after I looked at the calendar, I had not flown
for two months. And even though it's not great weather today in
the UK, I went out to the airfield, you know, walked
around the plane, you know, did all the little you know, like,
you have to counter turn the the prop seven times to get some oil
into the cylinders. It has been standing still a long time and
then you get in, you turn the key, and it comes to life
immediately. And I just flew down to the south coast and back
and it's hard to explain, but that really makes me feel alive.
Okay, how about you just got up a little while ago, and I was I
got up a little while ago, we just up
and about, I was buying
that by and large. All right, John, I don't know I, you know,
I'm gonna go shopping, I think we're gonna do some Christmas
shopping,
I haven't even started that's this week, I'm gonna do
Christmas shopping,
I did get a good bottle of a quality vinegar that they were
selling in a close out price yesterday, I felt real good
about that. I'm so happy for you. And then what I always like
to do is get a good white wine vinegar, I make my own vinegar
too. But I don't use the white with the stuff that's
commercial, my good white wine vinegar, and then you buy bunch
of Terragen. And then you take half of it. If it's a big enough
bunch, and you shove it in the vinegar. And you just leave it
in there for about three to six months. And then you use that
vinegar, and it's an outstanding product.
Another Qunari tip from John C. Dvorak,
make your own Terragen vinegar, folks,
you've got to see, you've got to see these one minute holiday
tips the Barefoot doctor has done. I don't know if they're up
yet. We got this guy this, like healing Chinese.
We'll talk about this later. But that gave me the idea that I
think I'm going to do a one minute computer tips for pod
show. That's a good idea. And they're going to bet it's gonna
be 100 of them. Yeah, exactly, exactly. John's 100 tips, but
then we're gonna start that probably in a couple of weeks.
That's, that's a really good idea. And I like it. And this is
what we did with barefoot doctors. So for the holiday
season, I'll find I'll find that I don't know if they're up yet.
I just approved him. So I don't know if they've got up yet if
there's going up Monday, but he has like a one minute tip for
the hangover. You know how to prepare for a night of drinking
all kinds of really useful stuff.
Sounds like he's got some sort of narrow minded approach. It's
just about drinking now, if anybody
has really worked in Britain, okay, it's all about drinking.
Yeah. If it was all about drinking, why they closed the
pub so early?
No, no, no, they changed that law. Man. It's now you can stay
open 24 hours a day. They change that over a year ago. Really?
Yeah. You didn't know that?
No. Yeah. I haven't been there for over a year. I don't go
there because I can't afford it.
Yeah, it's not it's not that they all do. But they're allowed
to. And so now there are places open to God and seems like 24
hours.
Well, that's good news, I guess for all alcoholics. Yeah.
Anyway, anybody with a good computer tip that they think
should be related. It could be given away in a one minute bit.
Send me an email at John at two, four x.org. And I'll, I'll use
the tip and give you a plug. You need 100 I got about 50 So far,
but I need another 50
And you're you're doing Mac and Windows and Linux as well.
And that you mentioned it No, but I could I could do the thing
is I don't want to you know, get turned the audience off with a
bunch of Mac tips. The Mac really doesn't need a lot of
tips that was kind of self sufficient. Just that PC that
needs it. And it's not just about computers. I mean, it's
going to be tech tips, too.
I got a I got a hot Mac tip for you. Yeah. And this will be
quite rewarding for people who have sat through 54 minutes of
this kvetch. Yeah, I had dinner the other night in New York with
someone who absolutely knows what goes on inside Apple who
doesn't work for Apple anymore, but it's been there for a long,
long time, dating back to the Newton days. And you know,
they're talking about a new Mac coming out something you know,
thin or whatever. Well, delight. He says it is pen based.
No. Well, that's no good.
And he the reason why he says is because Apple has a certain
patent over I think you said right anywhere I guess so that
wherever you write. It doesn't drop down to a, like a pre fixed
line that the writing has to go on to I'm not quite sure what it
meant. But he was telling me about some patent. That apple
Little had since the Newton days. And that was the reason
why no one had done it right yet. But now that Apple had
implemented multi touch, and they still have the, the light
pen. Do you recall that? Yeah. He says that that's what they're
going to be doing next is something pen based. You're more
tablet size not for not full computer size.
We'll see hey, by the way, you mentioned that they're going to
go after Huckabee. So I just hit the blog. Just finish the show.
But there's a post somebody just put up. One of my bloggers
McCullough Huckabees in the here's the headline. So this is
kind of an indicator. Huck, you don't have to know any more than
just in the headline. Huckabees theology degree. Not exactly.
Oh, boy. It's all over. So we'll see
who's who's anyway with that guy from the cage match. Does he
work for you?
The Baba
Yeah, Baba. What's What's his deal?
I Baba is a he? He's one of these guys. He's another one of
these most of these guys that I have or not all of them. But but
a good number of them are kind of retired, geezers. And
really, I thought, yeah, I was thinking you had all kinds of
young kids who are
falling Kimball guys that are that are young, but generally
speaking, they're either retired or they're early retired lot of
them got, you know, they're kind of independently wealthy, or
they're just,
ladies and gentlemen, the rare look inside the divorce tech
Empire was we lift the veil of divorce.org/blog. It's also
these years.
So they seem to be they have a lot of time on their hands, a
few of them. And so they and they're always surfing the web,
because there's like, you know, that's a lot of people do that.
And they have the same libertarian, you know,
perspective, we, all of us have the same basic libertarian
perspective trailer, although we don't have the same. And these
are just guys
you've met throughout the years through email and stuff, and
then said, hey, you know, I'll maintain some stuff on your
blog. And is that how it works?
It started with a guy who's who's I think Ed's about 60s.
Eight, I don't I could be wrong. But anyway, this was started
when I started the blog four years ago, and I get these guys,
I like your blog, and you should check this out, then check it
out and look at this point. And then I would be getting ideas
for posts. And every once in a while somebody would come along.
And every one of their ideas was exactly what I would be posting
if I had found it. Right. So it's like a self selecting group
I have there's other people that do this, but they're spotty. You
know, they hit one and other ones kind of Oh, no, I can't do
that. But there's a couple of guys that were just hitting the
exact right posts. Would you like to just do this post?
Without going through me just do it yourself? Right. And they
said, Yeah, and you know, I was thinking about, I probably don't
want to every one of them. So yeah, absolutely. So I just gave
him the administrative, you know,
is there Do you have a moderator setup though? Is there a flow?
Or does everyone just post freely? And you don't check
anything? Give or remove anything?
Nope. It's all free form. It's we don't do that would be work.
Adam, you were trying to avoid that.
That's very interesting, because I've always wondered about that.
And so they probably don't even get paid at
all. Actually, they get a Christmas bonus every year. Oh,
that's nice. Based based on the on the Google ads. Right. Right.
Right. And you know what it costs to keep the blog running,
but anyway, so yeah. And I haven't sent that out yet this
year, but I'm gonna do it this week, I think when Anyway, the
thing is, I was self selecting, and then Baba came along. And
Baba was demoted, he was really anxious to do a lot. And he was
but he was late, because he was too much. He was really way
anxious. And so I said, Well, you know, what really needs
beefing up if you want to do a lot of work is the cage match,
which is this other form is a BBS type thing. And so I just
gave your go do what you want to do there. I just kind of gave it
to him because it's actually run by him and a woman named
Katherine. And she was the one who set it up. And she's kind of
the techie. And she found the right bulletin board software,
and she did all that stuff. And then I just gave it over to
Bubba, who's also got his little a couple of minions that he's
kind of working with. And so that's kind of an independent
thing that competes with the the other site, the network,
that Devorah Correll created, spreads far and wide across the
universe of like minded people.
It's the it's the Tom Sawyer approach to law. Have
you met any of these? Any of these folks personally, not
in person except Katherine. I known her for years she used to
be at pr at IBM. And so you don't have to divorce.org/fan
day and y'all get together and have drinks and talk about the
blue again,
it probably one of these days. You know, a couple other schemes
workout after the pod show company goes public,
after we're rich beyond our wildest dreams. To dream on,
you're gonna be working your sorry ass off for a long time
rather,
now, we'll see. So hopefully, something good will come of it.
Anyway. So that's kind of the story. That's what you know,
it's it's the way I tried. I tried to set that up. So it's
automated. So I'm not spending a lot of time on it myself. And we
all everybody that does it also does the comment moderation. So
everybody, when you if you're having to be on the blog to
check the comments, right, right, kill a few. And so that
it works out, it's kind of a, it's like a, it's like a, it's
like a Wikipedia,
it's very similar. It's very similar to the daily source
code, and you know, people are sending in bits, they
contribute, you know, I can almost always count on, you
know, Jersey Todd to do send in songs for Friday, and you do
collect kind of a, a core what I call savant of people around you
who just contribute to your little media thing, and it is
really quite awesome.
Ya know, people like to like to, people do like to get involved,
if they're with like minded people, and they're having fun,
and they and it's some, you know, what I give these guys you
know, is because a lot of them do have their own blogs, is I
give them more exposure, because their blogs, you know, like a
typical blog is get, you know, if you get 30 or 40 visitors a
day, that's like a lot, I get 30,000 a day and you know, it
makes it kind of a difference to nine, you get a little nicer,
you get more the comments are more interesting. And the you
know, there's like, cadre is of commenters, and you know, so
it's just so they I think everybody appreciates the for,
you know, the fact it's a good platform.
Fantastic platform. So man, you must be doing okay with those
Google ads, you probably doing like 50 to 100 bucks a day.
No, Google ads are like overrated. Yeah. I mean, if you
can make, yeah, you make about if you have a million pageviews,
I'm guessing, generally speaking, you have about a
million a month right? Now you have right, you get about 1000 a
month for about a million pageviews. That's how low the
numbers are for Google ads is always. I mean, it's the only
reason you run them is because Google has to look at your site
more. And then you so you get indexed a little better. But,
you know, it's if somebody comes along with a better scheme than
Google ads, I mean, everyone will jump to it, because
aldehyde most people if you talk to them about what they make on
Google as they lie, because everyone's embarrassed, because
the numbers are so low for for Google ads, they're so low that
everybody's humiliated by a minute think, well, it just must
be me that they're so low. So they'll lie to you and tell you,
you know, I'm getting $5,000 a month, you know,
bullshit. That's why I'm convinced the seller tainment
stuff we're doing like with GoDaddy and with the Nokia
headsets and, and we're doing this the Sony headsets, Nokia,
and no, I'm sorry, it's Nokia. Now confused, we're not doing
Sony Sony's not seller tainment. Right. Vitamin Shoppe, I think
is, is going to be one. So you know, just like GoDaddy. I mean,
there are people who are going to make like 300 grand next
year. And you know, they don't have a big audience. But again,
it's one of these audiences, you know, they do promos, and
contests, and, you know, you because every single time you
know, you sign up a new customer, they get like a real
it's like, QVC. It's like fucking QVC. And I really think
it's the future. I mean, I could sell cars. I know, I've sold
cars, you know?
Yeah, I think you're right.
It really, it really could be a new that really could be the
answer for independent media, where, you know, you just had
just ride along with whatever m&ms And you can basically you
can put anything up for sale I do I test this stuff with
Amazon, religiously. And, you know, I'm selling all kinds of
stuff. Not that a lot of money about it to someone else, it
would be a lot of money, probably.
Well, one of these days, I'm going to bump the Google ads and
start selling stuff on the blog, and that will change the
financing. But for now, the Google ads are there and I
actually learned a lot from them because I can see what the woods
going through because we have an eclectic blog. I mean, it's got
you know, all kinds of weird stuff on it. Yeah. And so it's
interesting to see what kind of ads come up you know, because
they're trying to you know, the analyse the the information and
then they throw up an ad that somehow you know, that's why I
think the Huckabee things up right now with the Romney ad
I get, I get all kinds of curry stuff. Which is what I want,
basically.
Well, there you have it. Anyway. So I think that's it for this
week, don't you think?
I don't know. Is anyone still out there?
I think the suicide rates gone up to 10.
So we'll have to watch the numbers on the show. Either
people are gonna love that the longer format or they're just
gonna have shot themselves.
Well, you know, I think it's, the format is a variable anyway,
we're trying to keep it at half an hour. I don't know how we got
carried away while you're talking. Because you're all
jacked up about that plane ride. should I
should I? Should I edit out the whole thing about the banking
system? Oh, absolutely
not.
People know how to fast forward, don't they? Isn't that the whole
point?
Know that they're gonna listen to it, that's what's gonna end
they're going to be listening waiting for the punch line, and
then they're going to be sorely disappointed. I think that's
great.
does everything have to have a punch line?
I think so.
What could you rewrite that one for me, then?
No, I'm not gonna deal with it. I gotta go. Try to even catch up
with what you're talking about. You should definitely.
Hopefully, we won't get back into another banking discussion
in the future.
Well, okay. Okay. I'm just a little more meta at that than
you are, John.
Oh, absolutely. But that's because you have a greater
interest in the international banking scheme of things. And I
do, I think we
all should have an interest in that. It's important stuff.
That's, that's, well, that's where we can make some change.
Well, then people should go out and read Confessions of an
economic hitman as soon as they can.
I think I should go read that. All right, I'll leave you with
one then. You definitely need to read next, the new Michael
Crighton. Novel.
Next,
yeah. And that about, it's about DNA and your right to your DNA
in the future. Oh, right. And, you know, when of course, we can
solve every problem by just growing a new new piece. Right
and and putting it into and it's, it's a very good book, and
you can't miss it at the airport because they have the promotion
on the stand where they have done the same it has an ape on
the front with a barcode. And they have different jackets of a
yellow jacket, a red jacket, a white jacket, a blue jacket, and
it's all it's all the same logo, so you can't miss it. It's a
great book.
You'll like it, I will get it on when Ed
travels. Okay, still no, no word on an Eisenhower book.
No, no, actually got about it.
Actually, I mentioned this on on daily source code. I was at so I
was obviously at the airport in in the UK. And I was looking for
an Eisenhower book in the biography section and the whole
section John I kid you not is filled with autobiographies from
David Beckham, Victoria Beckham, the Beckham's the unauthorised
backrooms, baby spice, Ginger spice. Three guys from Big
Brother. I mean, there's not a fucking serious biography to be
found anymore.
That's your market. All right.
We better stop before we kill again.
Exactly.
All right, coming to you from the curry Manor. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak in sunny Northern California.
And we'll talk to you again next week if you're still alive.
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