It is November 5, all across Gitmo nation. It is quite a
special episode of no agenda. Mainly because it's early
morning here for me today and late night for John exactly the
opposite of how the show is usually done. Which means it's
time for no agenda coming to you from a very exhilarated and
excited morning here in the United Kingdom Gitmo nation
east. I'm Adam curry.
I'm John C. Dvorak and I, for one, welcome our new Obama
overlord.
Do you have a voice processor on your on your setup? John, what's
going on?
Why would you get in breaking up?
Now? It's interesting. When you said, it sounds like it's like
you have like a Darth Vader. Darth Vader voice?
Oh, yes. Well, it's a midnight, you know. So I know. This
is not your normal voice. This is messed up. I kind of like it,
though. Do this do this. Obama. You are my President.
Obama, you are my president.
This is great. We'll leave this throughout the whole show. I
don't know what it is. But it's, it sounds wacky. Hey, John,
congratulations. We have a new president.
Well, you know, the funny thing is their protest. You didn't get
to watch all this because you were sleeping. But they were
protesting. I mean, there was a big gathering outside of the
White House. Code. And yeah. And they were singing like, you know
that song? Hey, hey, goodbye, data. Yeah, okay. And there were
also signs saying, you know, evict Bush now?
Well, he pretty much got his notice, didn't he? Isn't it
like, this means he's out?
Well, the thing is, you know, a lot of people were saying, you
know, like, last couple of days and there's some rumours going
around that Bush was going to declare martial law and he's
going to do this it was gonna do that I was ever I was cracking
up every time I heard one of those, those those concepts,
because the way I'm seeing it, and the information that we're
already hearing about Bush wants to get out of there tomorrow.
Yeah, well, if you got people, Nona Hey, haying you like MTBS
remote control on your front lawn? I think that mine kind of
scurry along there.
Yeah, well, so he's I think he was really gonna do a quick
transition. And and I think he's gonna bail out before the before
the deadline.
Hey, John, this is nuts. Man. I can't listen to you like this.
You're too Darth Vader. Let me let me just bring you back on
one second. Otherwise, it'll drive me nuts.
Okay, so I'm not having normal voice rights. You
do much, much better.
You know what it was I think that was causing that crazy
voice.
It was it was clearly a sample issue somewhere.
I had cast blaster up I
knew it. I knew it. It was a it was a sample thing. So I shut
down while he really didn't have to you shut down cast blaster in
the meantime. Yeah, yeah. So before we go any further, can I
kind of just say one and two things? I'll take that as a yes,
you may. One to the rest of the world, regardless of what anyone
thinks of Obama as President. Can we now please once and for
all lay to rest that America is a racist bunch of fuckers.
Because that I think we've pretty much proven that and all
the jokes that are always made in the media, particularly in
the United Kingdom about the South and how racist we are.
Good. We all just stop that now. Because
you're Is that is that your idea of a southern accent?
No, that is my that is an exact replication of how the British
do a southern accent. Wow,
they really suck at it. Yeah, they
Oh, they sure do. And anyway, so that's, that's like the number
one thing? I'd have to say the number one takeaway right now.
Okay. Well, I think it's probably a plus.
It's a super close. It's a super plus. Absolutely.
Ya know, I'm in total agreement with that. And in fact,
everybody's all jacked up worldwide. You know, I'm
thinking gee, they really are preoccupied with the USA, aren't
they? Well,
I was just watching the morning shows over here. And they're
doing man on the street interviews. And probably five or
six of the sound bites is like, you know, maybe maybe in 10
years in Britain, we could have a black Prime Minister. 10 years
that they predict.
Black people were even in Britain. So
we got black people, what are you talking about?
So anyway, the there was a number of points. I was watching
this thing on, you missed a lot of it. Yeah.
Well, I had to go to bed around 230. That was just to me after
that. I'm like, fuck it. I'll see you in the morning. Right.
So the one good piece of news here is that at least the guy's
not a Yale graduate. So that's a big deal.
John, I mean, you can't say the one good piece of news. I mean,
at the end of the day, as Americans, what we always do, is
we always say okay, you know, All right. He's our new
president. We'll get behind. That's what we do.
Yeah. And you know, the one thing he's gonna have to stop
doing is and I don't like and I think he's, you know, somebody's
gonna have to
I don't know what they're going to do to be good at doing
sternly Yes.
They have to stop doing these big events. Yeah, that's getting
a little a little sicko. I agree. Well, I there's besides
the sicko part, I mean is dangerous. Sorry. I mean, we
love with all the things we do people talk about it don't like
to really discuss this too much. But the one thing we don't need
is somebody taking a shot at this jerk. Right?
Well, but he had that huge bulletproof wall of glass in
front of him. That is acceptance speech.
Yeah, I was looking at that it wasn't in front of him. It was
really interesting what they had done there and I think it was a
good idea, but they were walking off away from it. I mean, it's I
mean, this guy has got to be I mean, he's got to be given his
opportunity. I mean, we just don't want some you know, that
would be I totally bad happening. I mean, this guy
needs to be protected due to an extreme. So
I've got I've got an idea let's redouble Homeland Security. And
let's let's redouble our efforts enough. Oh, I'm sorry. That is
the plan but yeah,
yeah, but this just stopped doing these big events or do
stuff. Anyway, so he had the tube glass things on the side,
but there was nothing in the front that I can see. Now I
saw a whole documentary yesterday it looked to me like
it was like was three quarters sides and the front maybe I'm
wrong no I didn't
Well, here's what I what it looked like to me because they
showed it shot it from different angles. They had the sides
covered but the front was was was kind of like it looked as
though the front did go out very far wasn't like the whole
audience could see him from the front the most of the people
were off to the sides. The front that kind of had an ending and
it looks like that part that were you speaking to the front
was maybe some area that was where they'd actually checked
people. I mean, that may have been a group that was brought
that had been secured.
But at the end of the day, John, if someone wants to get anyone
they can get him and there's clearly no there's there's no
orders for this. That's how it works. Our Presidents get
assassinated by by organisation, I don't believe their nut jobs.
They're probably the CIA
is little late at night. Get into this. Okay. Don't worry
about I should go look at your email and let's take a look at
that thing I sent you. I saw it of course okay, I'm in total
we're watching the show. Here's some notes that I took. This is
gonna be interesting. We saw Jesse Jackson you know, so they
kept putting the camera on him and that's one point Jesse
Jackson is in tears. So my wife starts going into like a comedy
act about this you know, it's like oh, no, never work again.
She's doing this thought bubbles. Yeah,
I really screwed up this time. Tears it's funny and he just
didn't look at you have to wonder you know what what he was
thinking and where was Hillary? You know and Bill what they must
be just beside themselves.
It's so hard for me to tell or because the coverage of the
election because I specifically watched a lot of UK coverage to
see what what messages were coming through over here.
There's none of that. I mean, absolutely. It was in fact the
BBC did put me in such a sorry asked job of covering this and
what was funny John was around 11 o'clock last night that's
when the polls on the East Coast closed they had this big TomTom
drone Pune election and then any and then they come to the to the
host and the guy's like, well, we don't really have any
numbers. You know, it's like a huge anticlimax because they
don't understand in the way that they don't even explain it. No
one understands how this works. They must think we're a banana
republic no matter what, like what is this electoral votes and
what is all this crap and how come you don't get all the
answers in one go and no, bad?
So another thing I noticed, I didn't you know, reading some
bloggers comments and some stuff on my blog and then I was
reading in the Atlantic you know, she has a lot of Democrat
apologists and they all that not all of them but a lot of the a
lot of the Democrats listen to Obama's acceptance speech by the
way, I thought John McCain's you should go back and listen to
John McCain's tail, the tail end of it. Yeah, the whole thing was
better than any other speech he's ever given. You know, it
was kind of like uplifting in a certain kind of a way and let's
get together. I mean, it was I thought it was actually quite
good. I mean, better than he has been performing until then,
which is typical of these guys.
That that what do you what do you call that? What is the word
I'm looking for? When you when you say okay, I give up? You
won?
Yeah, the
concession concession speech, concession, concession speech.
That obviously was written two years ago when they decided
Obama would When?
Okay, I'm sorry, again. It's
good morning, everybody. How you doing? I'm just drinking my
first cup of tea here. I'm getting ready for the day.
So, and I thought Obama speech wherever was all was the best
job somebody wrote in. It's the best acceptance speech ever. I
didn't think so. I you know, and what was that
one takeaway? There's not one takeaway. I agree. It was
basically one of his stump speeches with a thank you
without a smile at the end. It was like,
I mean, it's right. I thought it was crappy to be honest about it
just to be straight up. Yeah. I think he could have made it
shorter. I think he could have, you know, let the party began,
he could have done a lot of different things. But he just
essentially did want redid one of his old speeches, as though
he was still running. If I was sitting here with my wife, who
voted for Obama. And
does she Mind telling everyone that? I mean, isn't that
supposed to be one of the great secrets you're allowed to keep
for yourself? And you want to? I know, but did she okay for you?
Because I was amazed when I when when I called you earlier, you
said, Yeah, says that made me so yeah, she voted for Obama.
That's not really nice.
I'm just kidding. So anyway, she agreed that it was like, you
know, why are we listening to another campaign speech? I mean,
it should have been something I think, unique. But I think we're
gonna be listening to a lot of the same speech from this guy,
for the next four years, because he's, one of the things he seems
to be is the kind of a motivational inspirational
speaker. And that's, that's me, if he doesn't do anything else,
it's still a step up from Bush, you know, who can't speak, and I
don't think he's ever given a decent speech. And at least if
nothing else is going to make people think I think it's gonna
make people conceptually more erudite. In other words, it's
going to be, you know, the president sets the moral tone
for the country and sets a lot of standards. And if this guy is
like a really good orator, which he is, I think it may be you'll
improve the way people talk. I don't know.
Well, in general, I'm obviously very happy that the United
States got the President that that had wanted. I think that
was very clear. I think it's it's obvious that there was no,
no trickery going on at the at the at the polling stations. I
don't think the vote was rigged. It seems like this is pretty
much the consensus across the United States. Of course, the
sad thing is, is that America gets exactly what it wanted. And
so
they wanted to what they wanted was to get bush out. I mean, I
think everyone's sick of him. Well, that's
part of it. Absolutely. That's,
I mean, there's a lot of Republican areas that, you know,
this is kind of the problem is I think the Democrats are, you
know, thinking that this is a mandate, when it's just really a
rejection of not correct. Instead of a mandate for them to
go crazy and spend money and do all the stuff they want to do is
really kind of like we were, we're sorry, we put bush in, you
know, here, go You try it.
Well, and this is the what a lot of people in the rest of the
world don't immediately understand is that this is not
just a presidential election, but there's also a congressional
election that took place at the same time. And now we have a
very unique combination of the Congress, the Senate, and the
executive branch, the presidency being held by, well, at least
the blue colour of the one party system we have in the United
States. But this will be very interesting to see. Because now
basically, it's okay. Democrats. Go ahead, show it.
Yeah, show us what you got. So it'll be interesting. I mean,
it's definitely, you know, the one thing about this country is
it's so you know, so it's hard to get gold or Bush managed to
do, but it took it really took him a while. I mean, it wasn't
like things started falling apart immediately. But it took
him a while to get to the point where he almost broke to
alienate
everybody. It took them a couple of years. But he got there
eventually.
Yeah, it took him a while. I mean, it was it. So the ship of
state is like, you know, it doesn't move that fast. And I
don't know how much we're gonna, you know, as I find that Obama's
cadence a little, you know, hard to handle. It's just like the
same, you know, get it gets to me after a while, but I'd rather
listen to him than Nancy Pelosi, who I just really great.
Patricia was telling me that Obama had speech lessons early
on, because they really worked on his delivery, and perhaps
that cadence has is really something that has been trained.
Did you ever hear
that there was an audit notes? Did you have to go back and read
the article that was in Vanity Fair. Apparently, Obama had a
very professorial style of speaking that would just
basically put people out right. So I think they've added that
kind of that weird cadence that he has, which eventually some
mimic will really nail it. And we'll all be able to copy it.
But no one's done that yet. But if people have tried, I mean,
Frank Caliendo, because one of the great, you know, mimics, we
have impressionists. He can't do it. And you know, and he's,
like, unbelievable. I mean, he does everybody. And so but once
they get it, I think we'll all be able to like, copy it,
because it's pretty distinctive. But I heard him in that one of
the things he did on a public broadcasting show that I believe
was done before were very early in his career, somebody had made
a copy this is floating around, where he, I don't think he had
the public speaking training at the time. And it wasn't, it
didn't seem that much different. It just, he didn't just have I
think what he does now is he kind of pounds home points in a
certain kind of professional way. Yeah, that is what we're
looking at. And he also has pauses that are pretty dramatic.
He does that very well.
Part of the of the presidential public speaking training. And
the thing that of course, every politician does is you know, you
put your thumb over your index finger, so you're not pointing
at people but you've got your thumb thing, almost like you're
holding a $10 bill between your forefinger and your thumb
offering it to people.
Right. The the Yeah, the Kennedy pinch. Yeah,
it was at a Kennedy thing that he originate that
as far as I never saw anybody do it before he did.
And God knows you. You've been around you would know
you'll ever give. I'm trying to think back if if if Lincoln was
doing something like that when he was speaking, I just can't
quite remember. I think it was a little too young man.
That was before there was a Lincoln bedroom. Oh, my
goodness.
But yeah, he does this he does the pinch thing and he's any any
any but he does it with kind of like he's shaking, you know,
like he's got dice in there. He's gonna in his head up and
down with his with his hand. Although it's slow. You know,
this will be copied because it's is very distinctive, and it's
it's something you can mock. Well,
we don't one other thing, I guess what we'll we'll be
waiting for now is cabinet selection.
Well, the one thing that's interesting about him is he has,
at least with except for a couple of guys that were booted
out of his campaign early on, most of his choices have been,
again, except for these early guys that were booted out early
because they weren't performing. I mean, he wasn't like Hillary,
who's just let Did you know, these incompetence run her
campaign for a really long time. He was pretty good at move it
moving in or improving the staff to the point where he had just
an up and a horribly slick, you know, group of people that just
killed McCain, me poor McCain is just was just buried. And the
worst part about this election, according to some people, I
mean, for one thing, campaign finance reform is done. Yeah, I
mean, that's just over because they said that it can combined
is a little over a billion dollars Combined, these two guys
collected CNN
had a report last night because I've you know, I've heard the
same numbers, it was about 690 million spent by Obama and the
balance of a billion spent by McCain. But then last night, CNN
all of a sudden, they had 1.6 billion on the screen. And I
never saw that. 600 No, they had 900,000 by McCain. And it was
really weird. million. million. Yeah, it was really weird. I'm
like, wow, you know, that's like double the numbers I've seen.
And yeah, had it on screen, it must have been a mistake. But
regardless, that does hammer home. I feel my point that
America still chooses its presidents like washing powder.
And if you have enough money, you can become president
marketing. Well, I would have I think it'd be a lot to overcome
the bush legacy in this case,
but still took that still took several 100 million dollars.
Yeah, that's true. But the one thing that somebody said though,
and I just assumed they said it, I said, Oh, brother, this is
going to be interesting. There must be some way of getting, you
know, into this into this circle. Somebody mentioned Well,
you know, he spent close to a billion dollars. But when you
think about it, is that really a lot of money to get this job? Oh
my god. And as soon as that suggestion was made, I thought
Oh, brother this that's exactly he nailed it. This has become a
one and two and three and four and $5 billion drop effort.
Yeah, yeah. And what no one ever asked themselves is Where did
that money come from? Where who's who paid that money? Well,
it is not.
It's all nickels and dimes. You know, we can trace it
now. Please. It isn't it is not I mean, doesn't everyone realise
that this is, and now that money is being spent partially from
the Democratic Party, which I believe there's no limits to
what you can donate. So this is just what was spent, but, you
know, huge corporations give money to their parties. In fact,
they usually give to both right? Yeah, like, Wall Street
Corporation. Let's see, maybe guys that. Let's see, maybe
you'd bail out? In fact, isn't it interesting that $700 million
is is about what we gave to them in the first place.
Coincidence?
Joining us 100
Well, the the argument I've always made is that campaign
finances was never gonna go any place anyway. I mean, this just
exaggerated the problem because of the fact that one guy took
public funding. But but I've always thought the media would
be the group that's most would be most against all this because
they're the ones that would lose in the deal because they need
the money goes to the media, most of the money
What do you mean, they are against it? They're not saying
that one campaign finance reform? I don't really say that.
No.
But did the thing that I thought was funny about this particular
election because I had blogged that Obama won a couple of my
bloggers would have probably liked to put it in but I saw it
you know, we went to get some my wife's birthday today. And so we
went to our favourite sushi bar. And so you know, it was obvious
by seven o'clock West Coast time that Obama had won the election,
but these networks would, I had first thought they were getting
a little gun shy because they got more gun shy since the 2000
election where they got screwed. But no, it wasn't what it was.
This thing was so over and done with it. They were thinking holy
crap, we can't declare this thing over because we look at
all these commercial ads and we get coming up for the next hour
or two
people to watch are funny or cool touchscreens. They can't
just like give them the information now that would be
wrong.
So they so it was all on all these networks and everything so
it was too close to call too close to call too close to cut.
No, it wasn't too close to call. It's funny. They were stalling.
Oh, man. Yeah, you're so right. Of course they were. I can just
hit I could just hear the I have bees. I can just hear the other
voices in the in the little earpieces. Okay, you got to
stretch it out. Stretch it out. We need to make it to the next
commercial break. Stretch it out.
Yeah. And what they were all I think doing because you know,
the most especially the cable networks, they all listen, they
all watch each other in the control rooms. They have all the
different channels going time. And you know, they're going has
CNN declared yet? No, no, no. Okay, then we're not declaring
is as Fox, what are they doing? No, no, no, they're going along
with CNN, they're gonna hold back
for people, you know, people who don't think that that actually
happens that way. It's on every single level when I was working
at z 100. Number one radio station at the time in New York,
they had light bulbs, and they had a light bulb for each of the
competing stations within the music's radio market. And when
that station went into when it when a competing station went
into commercials, the light bulb would go on. And that's when
we'd play like a number one hit. I mean, this is very competitive
in the US broadcast market.
Yeah. So now that one interesting thing that took
place on CNN is that they they have developed a I don't know
how far they're gonna go with this, and if they're going to
keep doing it, but they've developed a virtual hologram
mechanism of some sorts that they actually use in the studio,
where they take a reporter and that you can read about if you
blog it you'll find or blog it, if you Google it, you'll find
some references to it. They did a reporter and then they did one
of these some wrapper I am, whatever his name is, I can't
remember I actually met him in in Korea. Big Obama supporter
anyway. They have the US 35 cameras. And they put some
person in the little I guess it's a little spot where these
cameras are surrounding them. And then they somehow I don't
know if they're doing this with a green screen on the other end.
I don't even know how it works. I'm gonna have to find out. But
it. It looks. It actually looks pretty cool. But it's a little
corny.
I'm looking at at a page right now. Yeah, this is Well,
absolutely. This is homography. And so the so I see a reporter
standing in the it seems like the reporter is standing in the
same room as Wolf Blitzer. Right. But she's not really
she's been down. Yes, she's beamed ins, but I'm not sure if
we'll actually seeing her. This is what I don't know. I don't
know if this is a creator. They're good.
They're not that good. They're just not like Star Trek.
Blitzer. Well, I know Wolf Blitzer might be seeing her.
I don't know what we're looking at. But whatever the case is,
what they can move the camera around this image somehow, but I
think, I don't know. I just first saw it today. I just have
no idea what the deal is why? You know, 35 cameras is
obviously doing something that's
30 cameras strung together in a ring around the subject becoming
the image of beaming the image in 3d by Back to New York. Oh,
no, no, I'm sorry. You're right. We don't know what Wolf Blitzer
is seeing bad. He's probably just looking at the monitor like
a weatherman. I should Oh, that's too bad. I didn't see
that live. I'll have to check that out. And on some YouTube
clips, that looks pretty cool. Yeah,
it's actually kind of interesting. But yeah, I would
like to receive somebody's report on it to explain to us
what's actually going on instead of these vagaries. I mean, this
is the kind of reporting we get 35 We know about 35 cameras and
a beam back holographic image. But what, you know, we don't
know anything at all. Actually, it doesn't tell me anything.
That's
about what I'm finding here in The Guardian. What's still
wasn't apparent, though, was whether the hologram was
actually appearing in the CNN studio, or was merely being
overlaid on the picture for viewers at home. So they don't
know.
It's they don't know, either. I mean, that's, that's what I'm
thinking to. I mean, but I bet you'd think somebody would
report on it. But it's cool. It looks cool. It looks kind of
cool. A glow. It's a guy kind of glowy look to it. You know,
there was a you know, if you remember that, I think was the
next generation or the Star Trek, the one where they I don't
know which one of the many Star Trek's there were, they had
experimented with, you know, they have the communicator, and
they talked to the people in the other spaceship. In a couple of
episodes, they had experimented with a actually doing the
holographic image and in the theatre. Inside No, not in the
theatre, but inside the canoe or the control cabinet, wherever
they've, you know, the main operational room, whatever they
call it, the bridge, the bridge, they were on the bridge. It's
late for me. So they were there on the bridge, and this image of
Boeing would pop up. And they've done this on other science
fiction stories, too. And I, and it was kind of a cool effect.
And it was like something that probably would exist, but I was
thinking about why they didn't just stay with this idea for
future episodes, and I realised that it was it just cost too
damn much to make this special effect.
Yeah, well, they've had projection systems that can do
this for for more than more than 15 years, because they want they
had that presentation in Hollywood, I remember quite
clearly reading about it, where they brought everyone in,
including Spielberg. And then you know, guy comes out on stage
one of these private movie screening rooms, and he says,
Okay, what you're about to see is, you know, is the future
blahdy blahdy, blah, and then all sudden, the guy just
disappears because he was actually a hologram. And
everyone was convinced that that guy was real. So this technology
has been around for a long time, but is expensive. Yeah, you
better believe it?
Yeah, it's probably too expensive. Probably not
practical. For that reason,
now that we move to digital on all of our television broadcast
stations throughout the United States in 2009. Who knows, maybe
there'll be maybe we'll get that kind of stuff. Maybe we'll get
holographic television.
So I don't I'm not thinking that's gonna happen. So that's
about it. So the whole night was kind of anticlimactic. I mean,
we knew what was who was gonna win the whole thing, you know,
boiled down to a couple speeches at the end and a big crowd,
which I thought was gonna get out of control and Chicago, they
were predicting 500,000 to a million people, which is like,
why would you be wanting that many people, you know, even
suggesting it? I mean, that's just asking for trouble.
I think there's, uh, you know, John, I gotta say I, even though
this. Well, I think we all know my opinion. I'm, I get real
patriotic at these moments, you know, and, of course, everyone
wants to celebrate and so 500,000 A million you know,
this, like, we're in a state of euphoria. That's, that's what we
do. We're going to be vibing on this all the way through the
weekend, at least. Once the next football game on
the road is college games on Sunday, that actually there's
usually a couple of games on Thursday night and Friday night
and call them big college games. A lot of good ones coming up to
Saturday and then of course, professional. Yeah, sure. We
probably got you till Saturday until
Saturday, then then we'll be on the important stuff.
Yeah, what college ball? Yeah. USC playing cow
that should be good. See, you even know the games.
I know that one. So, yeah. Anyway, so I don't know. I was
just kind of like, I was kind of disappointed to be honest about
really puscifer the Jesse Jackson in tears. I was just
too, too, too much. You just like, wow.
Well, you know, looking at I have to agree. I mean, I'm not
I'm not disappointed about anything. And again, I think
this is great for America because it shows that we all can
unite and even if we're uniting against something that probably
isn't the right thing. It doesn't matter. The union is
does show what America can do. And I'm really proud of that.
I'm very patriotic, but from a I'll have to agree with you from
a show perspective. I mean, this was not the way the series
should end. You know, the that speech was not the right and me
there's got to be something much better to really finish this off
before college. starts on Saturday otherwise, yeah, then
we'd have a real bummer season of the election show.
Well, they're probably going to milk the thing a little bit
with, you know, who the, which we're going to start hearing
about who the various Cabinet members are. And that should be
interesting. And I suspect it's going to be a lot of Clinton
people from the Bill Clinton administration. You know, this
is gonna be the same political hacks. I mean, you have to have
people that know what they're doing. You can't just bring in a
bunch of professors that don't know anything. So it's gonna
have to be some group that's been in there before. And that
means, I mean, what's the last Democrat that's been in office,
but in Clinton, I mean, before that, he had to go back to
Carter, and those guys are probably all
dead. Except for Brzezinski.
Right Brzezinski that's the one guy that's your favourite guy.
That's
the guy running the show. Yeah.
Maybe true. So On another matter. We went to see some my
daughter does improv and so we went to see some stuff here in
San Francisco. And we walk right past it was at the Fort Mason,
and we walk right past an event that if you are in town, and my
apparently my wife went out of her way not to tell me about
this.
Oh, man. Don't tell me there was another David Icke show.
A 2012 convention. Oh, crap,
man, and we missed it and she went out of her way not to tell
you
that's what she says.
Take it from the people who love Yeah,
well, anyway, went in there anyway. Just as just a go
wandering in. And oh, man, I thought I wouldn't.
I would have loved it right. You might
you might but I'll tell you it was like walking into your you
just had this vibe of of certifiable insanity.
It was it the vibe of 2012 is coming Doom and death or the or
salvation is coming the ascendo there
the doom and death types.
I don't like those guys. Now, I'm not into that.
And I mean, end of the world. 2012 No, no,
no, it's not the end of the world. It's the beginning of the
New World, the dawning of the age of awareness. Maybe
I have to go back and look at this. Some of the flyers that I
grabbed, but I get a sense it was maybe that's what it is. I
don't know. Whatever it was, it was creepy. And they're all
dressed weird. And I know it's just kind of now now. And they
look at you weird when you go in
narc. He's got to be a narc and look at him. He's got an article
written all over.
I didn't have narc written all over me. They immediately wanted
to sell me I should have bought this thing was only 10 bucks.
They wanted to immediately we should have walked in here's it
here's the poster from the event and all the autographs of all
the different speakers on it. I've always
wondered when you know when we go out to dinner all these these
classy restaurants just wondering together do we look
like like you might like where you're my gay sugar daddy.
You know, I don't think so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure because
you can tell I mean, for one thing we'd I don't think we give
off any any gay vibe. I do. And then the other thing is I don't
think anyone in San Francisco notices one way or the other
cares. Because there's a lot of through there's a lot of I don't
look like what says you're picking up the tab
but you're refining me in life you're showing me which wine to
drink. And so I so I can culture myself cultivate myself?
Yeah, but I never really do that we just buy the wine and drink
it. Like every lane anything is like,
I'm just wondering, what are you explaining all the time? We're
always talking.
Mostly I'm just giving you the the the ridiculous anecdotal
material about this wine in his winery and where it came from
and describe, but it's that's different than what you would do
if you were like trying to get somebody up to speed on their
palate.
Yeah, but yeah, but from a distance, you know, and then
we're always talking about our gadgets. You know, I think
there's a lot of gayness to us, John, I'm sorry. It's just as an
outsider, I think we would actually. At
least we're in the right neighbourhood for it. Yeah.
Through through, like, you know, get beat up in Chicago.
By you know, you even get beat up in Amsterdam for being gay
these days. It's fucked up. Beat up and it's true. It's true.
That never ever used to happen. The tolerance level of course
was so high and that's dramatically changed over the
course of the past decade. It's really It's become sad, really
sad.
I wonder what's what's what's changed in Holland. I will
tell you that any Dutchman can tell you that's immigration. In
immigration of Moroccans predominantly, yeah, it will
culturally do not fit with a gay culture in general.
There was a funny irony in California because they had run
this proposition eight, which was a
date did that pass? Or what's the deal?
It looks like it's gonna pass. Oh, no,
that's bad, right?
Bad, good. I mean, I don't care. But the but the point is, is
that there was a passage of a no gay marriage, something some
years ago, the state didn't want gay marriage in the state for
some reason, which is weird, because it you know, San
Francisco is fairly gay. And, you know, but you know, it's not
the whole doesn't represent the whole state. But then the courts
got a hold of this, in some case, rather, and then reversed.
You said, this is bowl and gay marriage is now legal, and which
is like going from, you know, one extreme to the other. And so
they that this became kind of an issue. And so they got together
and said, No, we're gonna pass a constitutional amendment. That
was the yes on eight thing. And the irony is, is that because
Barack Obama, who all the gays helped vote in, brought out so
many black voters, like everyone, 96% of all the voters
that were black, were voted for Barack, but a lot of them are
new, they never would never vote normally. They all came out. And
with few exceptions, most of the black communities against gay
marriage. So he had this very interesting kind of, like,
here's the good news. And here's the bad news about, you know,
from the same group. Do you have that thought it was fascinating.
I thought it was ironic in a very fascinating way. You have
that on
statistics that most of the black community is against gay
marriage. Is that Is that what you just heard you say? Yeah,
yeah. Really?
Yeah. Nida was well documented. In fact, they have trained
review. Black community, which has many religious people. There
were no the blacks, generally speaking, are way on the yes
side of this issue. Wow.
But there's I'm just Googling around. I don't see any final
result? I guess there were no, we won't know that until the
morning.
Well, it's pretty close. But you know, it's it's both sides. And
we're hoping for the best, but I think it's going to pass.
And passing means that that would ban gay marriage,
right? Back to square one. So I'm personally blamed. If they
have this clip, I'm gonna probably start using it on tech
five. I personally blamed Gavin Newsom, because he came out and
after the Supreme Court made gay marriage legal. And of course,
he's made it legal for him by Fiat for a while in San
Francisco. But once they did that, he made a speech, kind of
throwing it throwing it in everyone's face. Like, you know,
they, here's what he uses comment. It was nothing you can
do about it now in a very kind of a mocking way. And you can do
about it now, you know, kind of thing. And that got used by a
lot of the advertising for the pro side. And I think it was
very detrimental, that this guy would come out and start, you
know, flaunting it.
Yeah, that's that's not only unprofessional. It's
unsportsmanlike. Well,
it didn't help the cause. Let's put it that way. So I blame him.
Yeah. Well, typical. Now this guy's got the problem with Gavin
Newsom. And people out there who don't know who this guy is, you
can look him up on Google and take a look at his picture. He
looks a little like, like a treat Williams type actor. He's
a really good looking guy who is always dating models, and he's
got a lot of charisma. And you can see that they're grooming
him as a as a governor type, you know, from the Democratic Party.
Totally. Yeah. And, you know, as you can see, he was you know, he
would like to be president or something like that, but I think
he's just a little too achy. Is it Yeah, he's a little he's a
little greasy.
Yeah. achy, achy, greasy. Yeah, exactly. Well, so I guess the
stock market will go crazy then today.
Let's see if the what the pre market looks like man what
a future saying. I bet you they're up. We had a really like
a 300 point up uptick today on the Dow. On the eve of the
elections. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying
Yeah, well, I mean, the markets been going up because of this.
Once the guys who was one of the two guys is Hold on a second in
there would have been gold with it and either one of them.
Generally speaking, right after elections. You notes like that
it takes the uncertainty out of the picture now you can start to
figure out what you want to do and so that makes a big
difference on the wrong computer to get to what I'm looking for
your let's see the Dow futures
are huge you have a special machine that's like your, your
your trading machine where you have your level two screens and
you have all of your
10 screens and I poke away and you just sit in the middle in a
big cushy black chair Buy Sell hold short that fucker so was up
three or five today. So we'll see what the futures are here
there should be some aftermarket numbers floating around
you can only you can get that on Bloomberg.
You know, I've been become an addict to Yahoo really Yahoo
Finance. Interesting. Curious I used to use US stocks and index
futures fall after Obama when
I went down. Reuter story on it. We lost it. This went down three
one to 1.3 1.6%. And it's been going up a couple of days at
this just a correction I think
so I've got futures. Dow down 137 Oh, that's that it should
open flat at least. s&p 500 Now actually these are these are
pretty simple. This may be in the hundreds. Yeah. Could have
been. That's what I've learned. I've learned how to do this from
Mark. Mark, my friend on CNBC. The chubby guy, and oh, yeah, my
girlfriend. Ah, she looks so beautiful last night, Erin
Burnett.
Did you see her getting a crush on this woman
getting? Are you kidding me? It's out in the open. I'm
sitting there with her Trisha going like Oh, mu and Rush
Limbaugh. I love her. I love and Patricia like she's kind of
nerdy. I said precisely. Yes, she is. She's She's No she's
not. classic beauty. But Ah man, and she's single.
I'm sure she doesn't have too much trouble getting a date.
I don't know, man. She's got a tough. She's gotta get a
brilliant. What do you what is this? John, can I have a half a
dream for a second here? Because you've probably seen somebody
tell me she's lesbian. Next, please. Anything?
She doesn't seem to have any of those earmarks. Oh,
man. But that would complete the picture, wouldn't it?
So maybe the Dow is gonna fall tomorrow, it's possible. It
bumps into things gonna bounce down back to his bottom, you
know, where it's just kind of like going to get to build the
base, it's got to build a base of foundation, I have
money riding on 7286 as a bottom.
I don't think he's ever going to get that there ever. Now
deciding one of my friends says that he's expecting I think I
mentioned this before he's expecting this thing to fall
apart in April. And markets done that a couple of times in the
spring.
But fundamentally, I mean, this. Look, what I here's what we'll
probably have is just get back to the to the elections a little
bit for a second. Because what is going to happen tomorrow,
what's the spin going to be? I'm I'm pretty sure that Wall Street
knows that their contribution to electing Barack Obama, which was
you know, 10s of millions of dollars huge. Yeah, if not
hundreds who knows? They know that he there's nothing that he
can implement until he's actually in office. So nothing
is going to change. I predict actually, there's going to be a
lot of negative spin from the markets, that you know, they're
all going to be in an anticipatory state. You know, we
can't really do anything we have to see what what the new
president is going to do. I think they're going to spin this
negative. Honestly,
what would be the point of that?
Because that because there's really there's no change there's
nothing there is no change at the moment. They can't do
anything. And the thing that least unsure about is at least
probably with McCain, they would have had an idea of alright, you
know, yeah, well we'll raise taxes but it won't be raised on
us. Everyone knows that this trillion dollars or really it's
more like 3 trillion probably that's been pumped in to the to
the system has to come from somewhere and it has to come
either from more borrowing or from taxes neither of which
really bode well.
Good I'm looking at some articles here where they're
predicting what what effect is and I wrote a thing called How
do Obama proof your portfolio?
Is that a market watch?
It's a market watch course I got you when you read it. You can
kind of figure out who it was it was given a good I'm quoting
some very rich person that we both know who has his personal
theory about what to do with your money. It's, you know, it's
kind of conservative, but much of it has to do with get getting
your money out of a lot of stuff that might not work out. And but
he did have one interesting comment, which was, he thinks a
lot of this green stuff that's going to be probably emphasised
by this administration, I will invite a lot of scammers,
because when you have just a bunch of money flying around
like that, you're gonna find a bunch of rural flicky kind of
sketchy companies cropping up all over the place. And you have
to be really concerned about that.
Well, you've spent a lot of cap and trade systems that are going
to be put into into effect.
Yeah. So I'm looking at this Reuters article on how a US
stock sectors could fare in an Obama administration. There's no
Bilanz. Reuters, actually, yeah, Reuters. But he goes on to solar
wind power. This, whoever wrote this shares, the solar energy
companies, and he's got a bunch of them listed here might be
kind of interesting. It's probably an article to read
or was a big, that was a big brouhaha over here. They've done
the numbers. Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister of the United
Kingdom, you know, of course, he's, he's basically talking the
same shit all world a world leaders are. And he's saying,
oh, we'll create 100,000 jobs in wind energy alone. And so
they've done the numbers and they said, well, with the kind
of money you're pumping into it, which is only like 100 million
pounds, or something or whatever. They say, you know,
you might create 10,000 jobs, not 100,000. That there's a
lot of exaggeration. It kind of bothers me about Obama, although
anyone would do this is the adult these promises, you know,
we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. And it's like, you
know, we're gonna spend this and we're going to do that we're
going to fix this, and we're going to fix that. Well, let me
get let's get a list and write it down and see what actually
gets done. I just think it's gonna be a continuation of the
of the Clinton administration. That would be good. Actually, I
didn't think that ruin the country by any means. But bad
news, the bad possibility is that would be a continuation of
the Carter administration be Carter to you never did have a
second term. I don't think he did that. Well,
well, so this is this is kind of interesting, because while you
were saying that I went to Barack obama.com, which, by the
way, has the entire list and it's very detailed, and it's all
you can say, PDFs do a screen capture. While you can that I've
saved all the PDFs because they have those as PDFs now just went
to the site. Again, these guys are slick. I like the way they
operate. Big thank you, Banner change can happen. Thank you. It
says, you provided you prove that change can happen. You
built an unprecedented grassroots organisation in all
50 states that brought a record number of people into the
political process many for the first time many for the first in
a long time, our success required unprecedented
resources. And our Democratic National Committee played a
major role on the ground efforts that generated record turnout,
up and down the ticket, please make a donation to the DNC to
help fund it. Here it is. When you donate $30 or more, you'll
receive a limited edition shirt to show your support for change.
They don't
let up. Now they don't let up those guys really know how to
grab money.
Hey, by the way, this is holy crap. So wait a minute. There's
actually no more menus. Oh, I skipped the donation and go to
the website or that freaked me out. Or like Don't tell me they
took everything offline.
No, no, it's all there. Yeah.
That's different. So
I think it's funny though the splash page is now a another
thing to collect more money. I hate I hate to tell you guys
this, but that's the hard one. Yeah.
No, no, but but that's that's the beginning. Here's here's
here's, here's where we start to take money away from you. We
start with the homepage.
Hillary supporters get involved. And here's the Obama mobile text
hope 262262 I guess what's done in uh, maybe some of that money
goes through the group organised locally with our online tools.
Yeah, these guys are just so much. I mean, there's, it's just
kind of embarrassing, because he made it do Republicans at one
time with in terms of their marketing strategies were way
ahead of the Democrats, especially with direct mail and
things like that. Go ahead. Once the internet came along, it's
just like that, you know, especially with guys like Joe
Trippi who was like one of the really smartest internet and
he's the guy who did the Howard Dean thing he made you know, the
guy household name before anybody ever saw him. He was
collecting money left and right for that guy. And they just
heads and shoulders above the Republicans with this stuff.
There publican stuff is Mickey Mouse compared to the Oh,
yeah, it's like my first Sony versus an HD, an HD camera. And
what I was most impressed by was the social engineering, the way
they you know, the number I heard about a number of
astounding things they put together, you would donate then
you would get recruited into calling people that match. Last
name. So like Jewish last names will get Jewish last names to
call Irish last names get Irish last names to call, they would
actually they had kind of like one of those reverse VoIP type
systems, I believe, so that you weren't actually paying for any
of the phone calls. And then the calls will get automatically
connected to your home phone, you know, with a ring and same,
you know, both ends ring at the same time, a lot of really good
smart technology that was put in here,
right? Yeah, definitely. Now, the only thing I've found kind
of interesting here, it seems to me. They don't have Obama's
acceptance speech posted yet.
I don't see that either. That's very interesting.
That's kind of surprising. You think they would have a or even
have it? The video of it or something? They don't have any
of it to probably too busy getting plastered? Seriously,
I'm looking at the defence plan that Obama has put together, if
you think we're getting less war, go read that?
Well, you know, my dad used to always say, you know, this was
an old, you know, union guy who was had older stereotypes of the
two parties, Democrat, obviously, has raised a Democrat
myself. He used to always have this one thing. He says, you
know, the Democrats are the war party and the Republicans or the
depression party.
And Obama, Biden, and Obama Biden administration is going to
work in cooperation with our allies and private sector to
identify and protect against emerging cyber threats. Whatever
that means, that goes your internet.
Well, you know what happened in Australia while you were
sleeping? They, you know, they've essentially decided that
they're going to just censor the whole net the way the Chinese
do.
Yep. This has been this has been, in fact, there was a
question about that. Because we talked about it on the show that
we did over the weekend. And, yeah, that's effectively the way
China's doing it. But I've received reports from people in
Finland, that say that that's been going on in Finland for a
long time. And there are apparently other countries that
we did, and people don't really know about it, I guess. And the
overarching question is, How does anyone even really think
they can? Well, there's two questions. One is what is quote,
illegal content. Apparently, in Australia, they're talking about
hardcore porn, not paedophilia. But in you know, hardcore porn.
You know, why is that illegal? All of a sudden, you know,
that's my question.
Thing is always illegal there, or it's illegal here.
What constitutes hardcore porn versus regular porn? Oh, come
on, John. Tell me what is it?
What is it is my understanding? I mean, it depends, I think,
where do you draw the line? Well, in the United States, it
used to always be some sort of, I forgot they had a term for it
like locally, you know, you determine it on a local basis.
And you can make it you know, this would be not hardcore in
California, but it would be in Tennessee.
Come on, man. That's ridiculous. So what you're saying is, there
is no law there is there is no description of what's true. It's
hard. No, it's totally vague. It's, it's bullshit. It's stuff
that when two people can do this stuff together, I mean, well,
how can that ever be illegal?
I'm just saying.
So yeah, so Australia, did they actually implement it? I mean, I
don't think it's not implemented yet. But has it been signed into
law now officially?
Well, you know, the thing is, I I don't know. I we blogged it. I
wrote about it. And I've long since forgot what what,
it doesn't matter. It's coming next to America. I guarantee it
was coming everywhere. But the thing that's that's kind of
interesting is the is the fact that nobody wants to face the
reality that this isn't about porn. Of course not. It's about
control of content. In other words, if you can stop you know
if you get the systems in place that you can stop this sort of
thing. You can now you know, start scanning for political
messages that might be Yeah, like this guy. You're for
like this show. This show will be off the air within 10 years.
I guarantee it. And that'll be big. Let's
hope to God.
I was waiting for that. Now, so definitely, if you listeners if
you have a chance Because I know a lot of you have not done it, a
lot of you have, but go to Barack obama.com And just look
at all the plans, save them, because that is essentially what
we'll be talking about for at least the next four years.
Because I know All right, I like plans, let's run it against the
plan. And let's see how happy we are with a lot of it. I don't
think we will be doubling up on Afghanistan doubling up on home
security.
Well, you know, the one thing you have to do is you have to
say, look, this guy got elected. Let's see, we support you. And I
think that he's not going to do what he says, Well,
no, you and I think that he is a fantastic, charismatic guy, who
is front and centre for what I call the shadow government. I
won't put you in that spot. And that there is absolutely no this
is a an organised plan. It's beautifully executed. But I
don't know if it's necessarily going to be the best thing for
America.
Right? Something like that. The point is, is that, let's see
what you know what he can actually accomplish. I don't
know what he's going to accomplish. And the other
problem is, of course, is what the you're the Biden formula for
fear, which was the thing about what someone's got bad's gonna
happen. Yeah, January, it wouldn't be you know, the thing
is that there is a cycle. There's overnight cyber, the
cycle, but it's like the tail kind of guys that that group,
they really did have an eight year thing every eight years,
I'd like to pull some stunt. So that would be next year
sometime. Who knows when? September 11. Perhaps, Oh,
please. In fact, I would seriously be out of the stock
market on September 11.
How about another country?
Yeah, this is things are like incidents, you know, the freak
out about it. But it's like, you know, there's you're not touched
by it generally. And it's the stats are very low for being
affected by terrorism. And so almost, you know, more likely to
get hit by a safe falling from a building. But anyway, the point
is, is that September 11, would be kind of an opportune moment.
And to Jamaica point, and I would just be out of the market,
I would just have been cash or something, you know, it'd be
Gordon some gold bars, or something like that on September
11, of 2019. I'm just saying. And again, I've one of the
things I'm still concerned about is the Los Angeles Airport,
because of the fact that they took a shot at it once before.
And so why wouldn't they try it again?
Top of the list for Homeland Security, Obama will responsibly
end the war in Iraq focus on the right Battlefield, which of
course is Afghanistan says it right there. And Obama
administration will work with other nations to strengthen
their capacity to eliminate shared enemies, which means
selling them weapons. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will improve
the American intelligence apparatus by investing in its
capacity to collect analyse information from us share
information with other agencies carry out operations to disrupt
terrorist operations and networks. They're going to owe
the battle of ideas. There we go. A $2 billion global
education fund to work to eliminate the Global Education
deficit and offer alternative to extremist schools.
Oh, boy, yeah, right. Oh, boy. That is, that's a boondoggle of
some sort that's gonna go in somebody's pockets. Oh, boy. So
anyway, and of course, somehow, there was no message from al
Qaeda endorsing McCain. And
when we waiting for some kind of terrorist, some terrorist
message,
so they, you know, of course, somebody there and then there
was a pronouncement on one of the big news networks that
according to the government, they have shut down the al Qaeda
desert. Just you know, when I heard this was just an eye
roller. They shut down al Qaeda has access to the internet.
Wow, they're so cool.
I'm thinking really? Shot paid good debt.
Yeah, because they, they went to the guys homes, they know where
they live. And they just pull the plug.
It seems to me that's exactly that's, that's what you have to
conclude. If they know where these guys are. And they could
do that. Yeah, they just hold them up. Yeah.
Oh, no, God forbid, that would end the war on terror.
So I don't know what they're thinking they're in this I think
this is gonna be more of the same isn't this kind of farcical
security such situation?
Well, listen, I was just gonna say this is good because we now
have a real movement in the United States. In fact, in some
to some degree a global movement 80% of Brits would have voted
for Barack Obama had they had we not had that whole Tea Party
thing. And now we just need to stay aware and awake and watch
what happens and call him on it, you know, call him on things
he's promised to do. And use that same energy, that same,
something that's very unique to America to meet, you know, to
police this thing and make sure that it happens and that we get
what we want, or hopefully a little more than change in hope.
So one of the things that was one of the kind of expert that
came on, if you want to call him that, Tom DeLay was on one of
the shows. And he was on MSNBC with Chris Matthews who was
mocking him
at delay as an ex congressman. He had no time to live. He
used to be the head I think, you know, he's he was a big shot in
Congress, and he was been indicted in Texas and he's he's
a creepy looking kind of a corrupted
Enron related as well. Wasn't there some shit with him going
on there?
Yeah. Could be. Yeah, probably. Texas. Yeah, makes sense. But
anyway, to delay now, he's, uh, you know, he's, he retired and
he's like, now he shows up once in a while to take potshots,
which, you know, I admire personally, I think I like to
listen to these guys that are, you know, taking a shot from the
outside. And he says that the real situation is going to
evolve. Because the Democrats have got the house they've got
the Senate, they got the executive offices is going to be
a battle of wills between Nancy Pelosi and Obama, as to who's
going to be the dog on top. And, and I, you know, I think and
he's in he went on and on about it. And it made nothing but
sense to me, but But Chris Matthews thinks that, you know,
he was thinking that everything is going to be hunky dory, and
he called delay a hater for even suggesting such a thing could
could could evolve. But it actually made some sense to me
that something like that would happen. Because, you know, I
think, you know, if anyone's going to try to push around
Obama, I don't think it's gonna be some foreign leader right out
of the chute. I think it's going to be, you know, Nancy Pelosi,
and her, you know, minions
Oh, no, you didn't know that. They're they're totally
controllable. They're not a control Pelosi got no problem
with that they got her to run the whole bailout programme that
she did great on that for them.
Yeah, for them. But you know, it was Obama gonna play ball. Oh,
dude, of course here. Here's another one that I liked this,
Barack Obama will appoint a deputy national security adviser
to be in charge of coordinating all US programmes aimed at
reducing the risk of nuclear terrorism and weapons
proliferation. We're gonna get all kinds of people in. And, and
Pelosi, they totally know how to control her. It's the same
people. Why would you think that the people who
are your people, your Brzezinski group? Oh,
it's logical Wall Street.
I'm not absolutely sure that there's only you know, that
there's not competing groups here. You you kind of think that
there's a unified shadow government. Yes. That has got
you know that they have a meeting every once in a
while. They do what's called the Bilderberg Group. Yeah, they do.
Yeah, there
we go. And I heard this stuff in the 60s. Anyway. And
again, you and your generation, let that shit go in the 60s. And
now we have to clean it up. Thank you very much. Yes,
exactly. You've been hearing it for that long. That's how long
it was. It's been older
than it is bowl. Now. These are drinking clubs. So here, but
that's how it works. What do you think lobbyists are the drinking
clubs or in clubs? It's too late for you for the for the to hear
this from me, isn't it? You can't
we'll see. We can. I just didn't go to bed. But listening to
this, you know, as I'm not we'll see. Let's just see how it plays
out. I'm guaranteeing you there's going to be some fights
going on between these just to see who's going to take credit
for all the changes that are going to you know,
everyone, everyone's going to be taking credit. Everyone is going
to be saying we said we'd give you change, here's change.
Yeah, then the change is going to be what is going to be left
in your pocket
at changes change for your dollar. Thank you very much.
Want to change? Here's your change.
All right. All right, John, I'm gonna let you go to sleep. I
think we could talk for a long, long time still.
Yeah. I don't know that we contributed anything to the
conversation for the our listeners who wanted us to do
something after this thing, but I guess a few of them will get a
kick out of it.
Well, and of course, what most will say is hey, wait a minute,
you guys. John. You guys predicted McCain would win? How
about conceding on
that? Well, you know, I was really I was trying. I was
thinking about that because I've been pretty good at this. But
you know, what happened is somebody pointed out I mean,
McCain walked into a buzzsaw. I mean, you had the economy
collapse you had The financial crisis, everyone hated bush. I
mean, there was no way this guy's gonna win if the things
were going the way they were two years ago when I made my
prediction. And I will tell you, again what it was, you may have
heard it. Two years ago, I predicted that Hillary would run
as president and Obama would run as vice president and McCain
would run as president. And with the Vice President, being mayor
of New York Giuliani, which at the time made a lot of sense,
Giuliani obviously was blown out because he was he couldn't do
this. And then they flipped, the other ones flipped over. So Joe
Obama ended up with the thing who knew this, that was going to
happen, and it was gonna get on the ticket, I didn't think was
gonna be the top guy. He didn't take Hillary got rid of her. So
essentially, so we have to still pretty much close to my
prediction two years later, but that flipped again. And Obama
and his Merry Men, you know, just blew me out of the water. I
thought it was since I was so far out on this at least I
should get some credit for coming damn close.
No, you get zero credit. In fact, in fact, I need to hear
you say you were wrong, because you still haven't actually
admitted it.
I was wrong. There you go. That was wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Who
knew? Yeah. Well, I actually had said admit to how wrong I was,
was the following. I had told people that Obama was not
electable.
Yes, that's right. Now you said an Obama Hillary ticket would be
unelectable.
Right. But I also said both that but but at the same time, if you
did, anyone else was listening to my blather, would have heard
me say that Obama was an electable and Hillary wasn't
electable. And it would be doubly bad if they ran together
on the same ticket. And I still think that might have been true.
And as maybe the Obama people thought that that's why they
didn't want her. But whatever the case is, they did everything
right. And that was dead, dead wrong on all of it.
That goes our credibility. No,
we don't have any credibility.
We don't know anything about nothing.
We don't need credibility, just to sit there and shoot the shit.
Oh, that's
it credibility. We don't need no stinking credibility.
But anyway, I still think I came closer than most people did at
that with a long shot from a long distance. But you know,
hey, I still lost a bunch of bets. And I want one bet,
though. Which I've Well, friend of mine, you know, I'm John
Markoff of The New York Times. I've been beating him on these
election bets for like, I don't know, 1520 years. And he seemed
he was he knew what the bet was going to be, which was, you
know, me taking McCain and he refused to do that bet in
insisted on on reversing the bat, really. So he took McCain
with the with the thing that he couldn't be depressed under any
circumstances, because if, you know, McCain, one, you know, he
would get the $100 from me. And if McCain or Obama one, he would
give me the $100 and still be happy. Logic we're dealing with
here with the New York Times.
The New York Times, there you go.
So he, he lost the bat, he actually voted for him, or bet
on McCain. But he did it, knowing that he can't beat me on
a bet. And so he reversed the whole thing. And he may actually
be the reason I've been winning all these bets for all these
years, because whatever he does is always, always wrong. always
wrong. So. So I got 100 bucks from him. So although these are
just these aren't real wagers for anyone listening. It's a
virtual 100
Oh, really? No. I bet bloomed the 70 to 86 by February 14.
But 7270
Doubt dow 70 to 86. By February 14.
He took that over he took the there's not going to happen.
Yeah. Hon, it's
interesting that that's interesting bet because there
was a foundation number that's around 7200 somewhere that where
the thing actually could do that. I mean, the market could
go there well wouldn't go much below now. Based on what all
these experts say. I don't think it's going to do it. I think
it's going to stabilise or you know, within the next week or
two and it's starting to creep up well
it potentially all of this could be really really good because
first of all people are feeling good if the market again, it
looks like it will open down this morning. But if the market
continues to hold out for a while we can have a nice
Christmas people will spend a little bit more you know, we're
feeling better. We know those checks are coming in the mail.
So we're going to spend 1000 bucks on presents for our kids
that's going to help the economy in general that could be a nice
little spark.
Yeah, no, I think that's what everyone thinks is gonna happen.
I think is gonna happen. I think that is what's going to happen
but I actually based on my I gotta get this material finish.
Shortly based on my big picture of the way I see things going, I
think that it's not going to do a Dipsy do here. I think it's
going to build a base start to take off. Obama is going to do
some good things, some things are going to look better. Maybe
we can get us out of Iraq, which would be interesting. I don't
think so. But anyway,
straight out of Iraq into Afghanistan, he says it right
there is going to double up the efforts in Afghanistan,
well, maybe you should get us out of Iraq, but whatever the
case is, it'll change the financing of the whole thing.
And next thing, you know, you might get a big burst at the end
of the year, which would be ideally, take his Well, ideally,
is a bad thing, but it could crash big time. After running up
to 25,000 30,000 something like that. I'm thinking a doubt
25,000. And I'd be actually, my bet is that the Dow is going to
hit I guess 15 I have a specific bet with a broker friend, I
think 1000 15,000 before it hits six, wow. That I think it's
gonna use
to the upside. Wow,
that's not as good to know. But that's what that's just that for
that bet. My personal belief is that when the Dow takes off,
it's going to hit 25 or 30,000. God, when
is this taking place?
I bet he could happen next year.
25,000. We didn't I mean, that's astronomical, John.
Just make a note? Well, I always say if you're they don't believe
in you, if people don't believe it's gonna hit 25,000, that's
fine. But if it does, my advice is to get out
at around 25 of the house. I'm taking profits there.
You have to remember that in that during the 1929 crash, we
had a very similar situation, as we have economically. Now, in
fact, you should look at Bank for banks falling apart back
then. The Dow Jones essentially tripled during the year 1929.
And it did it pretty much within about three years go through I'm
sorry, three month period, it tripled, completely tripled.
That means it would go from 10,000 to 30,000. There's no
reason to can't do it again. Wow.
You're right. And then and then we'll make all that money on our
index funds. And then what then it goes down to six 6000 We're
screwed, and then the money becomes worthless.
Now that could happen. I mean, do you never know what's gonna
happen? These things don't never happen the same way twice.
That's the real problem. They're always a little skewed. But
that's what makes life interesting. Well,
it makes it Yeah, I guess. But anyway, so I'm, you know, I
could be wrong, this good might not happen. It might, we might
just have kind of a bouncing market. And you know, think by
2013. I'm guaranteeing we're having we're going to be in the
middle of a depression. My next long term gamble.
I'm looking at your, your market watch column about how to abama
proof your portfolio. Yeah, I like this line. While I normally
do not like using anonymous sources. I have to in this
instance, for personal and political reasons. This advice
comes from a Forbes 100 richest investor friend who is risk
averse, and has been thinking about Obama proofing his
portfolio. So you know that this is going to drive me nuts,
right? I got to figure out who it is.
You know, after this show's over, you'll figure it out. I'll
tell you who it is.
Man, I want to figure it out. Don't Don't don't Okay, for me.
I want you to figure it out. And if I but if I nail it on the
show, will you admit it in the show or you're not going to do
that?
No. And I don't think it's a good idea. Okay. All right. But
enough about Larry Ellison. haven't talked to Larry for a
long time. So it's definitely not Yeah,
I'm just throwing that out. Man. I was at his house, though. I
know you were I know you were his hotel room. The hotel room.
At John. Listen, man, you gotta go to bed.
Have a meeting tomorrow? Well, we
both have a meeting. I got the same meeting except I get to
stay up and that starts at 530 this afternoon. My time. You
really gotta get used to this Coastal Living. My friend.
bicoastal.
Me just called me calling the meeting. Now you
should go. It's a good one. It's an all hands meeting. We've
changed the name now.
Yeah, no, I got all hands. All hands on deck. All hands on
deck. Man. That's exactly
what it is. All hands on deck. Now be good. All right. So I
would appreciate if we could still do a show on Saturday,
even though we kind of got a little bit deeper than just
Obama this morning or this evening for you.
We could probably do a show on Saturday. If if it depends on
what our listeners want.
Okay, let us know. That's such a dumb thing to say.
And Send your email to
john@dvorak.org All right. That's it everyone for this post
election. No agenda coming to you from the United Kingdom. My
name is Adam Kirk. Right.
I'm John C. Dvorak in northern Silicon Valley. And we'll talk
again next week right here on no agenda.