Well, hi everybody. Once again, it's time for the programme that
has no music, no commercials, no jingles, no talent. And well
apparently no agenda coming to you from the curry manor in
Guilford in the United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.
And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern California.
And it's time for one day One day later than usual for our
weekly event. And, you know, I'm getting some good response on
this show, John, people like it.
People are bored stiff, it
must be. It must be. No, I mean, it's like it's we've even been
added in the you know, the podcast ready guys actually have
a pretty interesting idea. They've they've put a a pod
catcher and RSS podcast aggregator. They're embedding it
onto memory sticks. I think they have a deal with the SanDisk.
That's a good idea. Yeah,
it's a great idea. And so we're this there's like top, there's
10 feeds that are pre subscribed. And we're one of
them with no agenda. Wow. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's really cool. I think they protect five dot pod
show.com on there, though.
No, no, no, no, man, it's got to be having a no agenda show is
good. Because it's no one benefits except you and I if
people listen, let me feel better.
So we were talking about tea before you started the
recording. And I was wondering, the public might be interested
in some of our thoughts. Since you've, you said that you move
ever since you moved to England, you've become kind of addicted
to the product?
Yeah. Well, you know, there's the Dutch who and I grew up in
Holland, they drink a lot of tea, but they drink it
differently than the UK here is, you know, it's really it's milk
and sugar. Whereas I never would have ever considered putting
milk in my tea ever, before living here. But I found out
that culturally, that really works for me, you know,
essentially, if someone walks in the house and they've got a, you
know, a bullet wound to the shoulder, the first thing
everyone says is, let's put a kettle on, let's have some tea,
and everything will be okay. And I just kind of fell into that
and I love it. Now, I must drink at least during the day if I'm,
if I'm if I'm near, if I can make it myself, easily six to 10
cups a day.
Then what's your preferred brand? Up PG Tips? Of course.
Yeah, we're big PG. We've been using PG Tips for over 20 years,
I think used to be hard to get in the United States. But now
it's freely available. But for people out there haven't tried
it. And they used to some of these crappy teas that we have,
which usually don't even have enough tea in the bag to to
amount to anything. PG Tips is the is the I think that the
standard, the gold standard of British tea. Yeah, I would have
to grab that as the absolute best. It's just that it happens
to be the one everybody uses. And a lot of the thing that's
interesting about PG Tips to me and a lot of these other teas
and we were talking about Sainsbury's has a nice things
called Red Label, which is a competitor is that the British
over when they were colonising the world? They did these long
term deals all over the place for things like tea. So they
essentially they have, I don't know how long the contract is
for the various tea providers. But they get some of the best
team to work because they kind of locked down these deals
permanently back in the 1800s.
Isn't that in some way? Related to upcoming December 16? Where
wouldn't when we commemorate the Boston Tea Party?
Yeah, the Boston Tea Party is you know, there's a there's a if
you study enough American history because this gets pretty
peculiar as to why the Boston Tea Party took place. But they
were trying to shove tea down everybody's throat and they were
also stealing it from China and making them take opium. But
really that was that was later
here boys hasn't opium give us the tea? Well, you know that.
I've heard now that there's another Ron Paul money bomb
scheduled. The previous one was on November 5, which coincided
with Guy Fawkes Day, a revolutionary day in the UK. And
from what I understand December 16, to the commemorating the
Boston Tea Party, there's going to be another drive to raise
another several million dollars for Republican candidate Ron
Paul.
Well, you know, the thing is that I noticed this effect, they
blogged it. If you go on the blog, you'll find that
vark.org/blog You'll find mentioned about how the that
this the Liberty dollar guys were rated by
I've gotten a lot of emails from people. I think you were the
first one that you actually sent me a link to your blog post. And
it's interesting because I'm seeing two stories. One is, you
know, the guys who created and run the Liberty dollar, let's
just call operation for a second. They got raided and you
know, there's this other side that's talking about the Ron
Paul dollars and now I'm seeing you know, that's kind of
becoming the meme is now that Ron Paul is being associated
with it. Honestly, I think I understand what the Liberty
dollar is about, but I clearly have no idea how successful It
is or, or no, it must be successful otherwise it wouldn't
have been rated. Do you have background on this? John? Do you
know
what I don't know as much about it as you? I mean, the website
the Liberty dollars website, which is easy enough to find has
most of the details but you know, they're trying to do
private coinage. I mean, generally speaking, you can do
this legally. But you can't like Disney
Dollars or like, like scores that were strippers, you can
store in strip bars, you can get dollars, right?
I don't know what Yeah,
you don't. Oh, shit. I blew my cover. Now that it's like
Disneyland you get Disney Dollars? Is that the same thing?
Or is this different?
Well, they're trying to put this into general circulation. So I
think it's different. Some years ago, there was some law, there
was a problem in the United States, especially from about
1862. I think Iran, it was, I don't know, when it ended, but I
do I have collected a lot of these bills. But in the 1800s,
you know, every bank had their own currency. And every state
had its own currency, there was just currency all over the
place. And a lot of it wasn't worth anything. It's actually
just something such gorgeous, by the way. Anyway, so they decided
to, you know, make everything either us node FEDERAL RESERVE
NOTE, or there was silver certificates, gold certificates,
which are backed by gold,
when the gold standard was introduced. Right.
Okay. And anyway, they were, there was always a kind of a
call, there was a, I guess, a de facto gold standard, always,
which is the basically the price of gold. So these guys want to
make the these coins worth the amount of silver that's in them.
And then they want to try to get them into general circulation. I
think there's something about the general circulation. That's
the issue.
Is that illegal, though? Is that is that is it just illegal to
have your own money and trade on? It? Is that is that
apparently, yes, that's apparently true. You can't start
minting your own money. So that's what they were doing.
Which
is, which is kind of silly, because when I issue you a check
from my bank, you know, the bank made up this piece of paper,
they printed it, you know, I just filled in the value. You
know, if they certify it, then it's isn't it? The same thing is
as a pretty picture.
You know, you don't have to talk to a lawyer.
Oh, I'm sorry. I had you confused for one?
I'm not absolutely sure. I mean, I know it the logic that what
you're expressing I know that there's a logic there. And it
seems to me Yeah, it seems to me that a cheque is a bank note in
some funny way, because it's worth whatever you write on it.
But there's something there's something else about what these
guys are doing that seemed to and I have to like just look up
the FBIs documents to figure out why they busted these guns but
they also took all the Ron Paul money.
Right, which I guess was another another version of the Liberty
dollar just another currency which these guys were running
through their existing infrastructure.
Right. And but it said, I think the Ron Paul thing had something
to do with the bus because there seems to be a overt mechanism
out there to get this guy to shut up.
Right? And that's where that's where I wanted to get us
because, you know, you immediately you will be branded
as conspiracy theorists, but I got to think that you know,
perfect, perfect thing you know, it's moving towards the whole
story is more you watch because I haven't seen it in mainstream
yet. But it's going to show up and it's going to be totally
associated with with Ron Paul. And they're going to try and
scandalise it I'm sure I'm almost positive that's what
we're gonna see happen.
Yeah, and it's gonna be fun to watch now, I've already noticed
that I'm a big fan of I think you are too but there's a lot of
us out here who who actually enjoy listening to right wing
talk shows Sure. Oh, yeah. Right Wing talk radio in particular is
very entertaining in a lot of different ways. I mean, see
that? I'm always like torn between right wing talkers and,
and Jim Rome, the sports sports guy. But and a Sports Talk is
the competitor with right wing talk. Interesting. I mean,
there's no left wing talk is there is none because they
tried that with Air America and no one no one fucking cared. It
was pointless. And it wasn't entertaining.
It wasn't entertaining. It was when and they couldn't do it say
a lot of things they would like to say because it wouldn't be
politically correct. I mean, they've tied themselves up, you
know, painted themselves in a corner with their philosophies,
so they can't do it. You know, you have a lot of whining and a
lot of people petting each other. And you know, it was
weird listening to that stuff. It was very creepy actually,
as Dennis Miller still doing some kind of talk shows
get desperate because you got to show on in the mornings that
syndicated in the US at the same time that Jim Rome is on and
rush limbaugh is on.
So that's a tough slot. It's
possible. Now I have listened to his show on and off and he is
the he's kind of a lightweight when it comes to the politics
even though he's just a right wing nut. But when he starts
talking to you when he starts going into his show business
anecdotes then is showing you He's really good. I mean, he's
got a lot of funny stories. Yeah. But anyway yeah that shows
it's like if you're listening to the other stuff you hit him just
to see you if you're driving around you hit him you don't
listen to this stuff unless you're in the car you hit him if
you get commercials every which when you gotta listen to
something else. So we're where we were talking about Yeah, and
so the right wing talk show guys are not the main guys not the
limbaugh's of the world, but the lesser guys the weekend guys and
the late night, guys. They're starting to slam Ron Paul.
Okay, right. Right, right. Time This is O'Reilly slamming him
yet.
Not yet, but I because I haven't been listening too much O'Reilly
because O'Reilly is on to some weird hour. They keep bouncing
him around. He's never really hit the home run, I guess on the
radio. And he's, I don't watch the show too much on TV.
Have you been watching countdown Keith Olbermann?
That's I watch it on and off. It's you know, it's one of the
funnier shows. He's probably one of the only left wing guys that
is entertaining.
Exactly. Exactly. And I'm presuming that he's writing it.
But he writes really? Well. I mean, there's some really
poignant stuff in there.
Well, I'm sure he's got to stop. There's no way he can be right
and all that stuff daily. He He's also Jon Stewart and
Colbert left wingers that are funny and entertaining. But but
the styles are totally different than the motional styles of the
right wing talker. Exactly,
because it's always working on your funny bone and not your
terror bone.
Right. But anyway, so I've started to notice that they're
starting to sneak in the anti Ron Paul stuff. And I, you know,
and one of the right wing talk guys is named Michael Savage,
who's out here in San Francisco is something of a bipolar
character who's really entertaining. And he has a huge
following. And he does not follow the follow the Republican
drumbeat, he tends to take an independent perspective. And so
he'll slam Bush a lot. And he, he's an interesting character.
And he won't probably go after Ron Paul. Because Paul is
essentially a strict constitutionalist. I think the
savage guy is too. So he'll probably if some of the big
names go after Ron Paul, he'll jump them, it'd be kind of
interesting to watch. Well, I
personally think it'd be great. And you know, they really,
should they really should be attacking Ron Paul, because His
answers are really, I mean, you can put any guy in Ron Paul's
place. You know what I mean? You can you can put a robot a robot
and sit and the input is the Constitution. And here's a logic
it's one or zero, true or false? And it's that simple. There's no
other way to interpret this document, you know, so it
doesn't really matter. It but it will raise I think awareness of
what of the platform.
Yeah, well, the one thing that you're just starting to come out
in the right wing talk show radio that I've observed. And I
think a savage again, is one of the guys who actually starts to
point this out a lot. And he's been kind of marginalised
because of it. You don't hear a lot about him in the mainstream
media or for other reasons, perhaps. But anyway, he points
out that and he believes that Limbaugh and Hannity and
O'Reilly, and some of these other guys, probably some of the
lesser guys are actually not conservative right wingers or
anything else. They're just frontman, Stooges, for the
Republican Party. And they, and they do a lot of party line,
chit chat. You know, there's just I mean, Hannity is
absolutely the worst for this. I mean, is, if George Bush was a
was a rapist, and you know, he would be saying why this was
good.
You know, I, just before our previous board meeting, I sent
Ray lane, who's one of the lead partners at Kleiner Perkins, and
also a ran Oracle for a number of years. I sent him a note and
said, Dude, you know, did you have a chance, I think actually
said, Hey, I know you're the only Republican in that entire
bunch over there at Kleiner Perkins. But, you know, I wanted
your opinion on this guy, because I'm, I'm going to
endorse him. And, you know, have you heard of him? Did you hear
that you re listen to the show a lot. But I know he's been busy
and probably hasn't listened for for a couple of weeks. And so I
sent a link to the interview. And he came back said, No, I'd
never heard of this guy. But yeah, research. It's pretty
fucking interesting. This is really good. And you know, who
just joined KP. Yeah, Al Gore. Exactly. So there's, I don't
know, I might be able to influence something because I
believe that the only way to change anything is to change
where the money is or where the money flows, or you can get
Raeleen fired.
I doubt I doubt Ray link get fired. I know that
he's a partner, but I don't think it works. Yet. There is a
curious crowd over there because the yard a flock of Democrats
for the most part. I don't know that the founders, like Tom
Perkins is I think he's pretty much of a right wing Republican.
I don't think there's any question about I could be wrong,
but I get I'm pretty sure I'm right there. And you know, the
the main guy is Republicans, but the guys who actually run the
place, John John Doerr is A Democrat for sure. Oh, he's a
huge Democrat. He's a big. He's a Democrat, but he's a kind of a
party organiser. Oh, yeah. No, he's
he. He did the whole Obama thing and and Obama had Oprah
Winfrey's house and now ya know, he's big, big, big into that,
that stuff.
Well, the rumour is, of course, is the that he wants either he
wants to get easy, he hasn't put his money on the right horse
forever. But the rumour is amongst the cognitive Sani is
that he wants to either be a secretary of state or something
like that or getting ambassadorship he wants to get
to be, you know, that's how you become an ambassador friend.
Well,
honestly, honestly, I've thought about that many times. And there
was a point in my life where I seriously considered lobbying
for an ambassador. That would be a great fucking life. That's
exactly what I want.
You know what the best? Sorry, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. With
the best bid and bastard ship. I'm told as the US ambassador to
the Vatican.
Oh, yeah. Right on. Well, my uncle was an ambassador to to
Korea for many, many years.
Well, apparently, in the Vatican, there's nothing else to
do but drink and eat. Because it's just one little town.
That's it. And all the politics are held in one place.
And it's all parties. Yeah.
I don't know if I'd like to drink wine. You know what I
mean? Wouldn't like live in there. I'd hate that.
So, but yeah, you should be in about you could have what you
were thinking to being coming in ambassador from the Netherlands?
No, no, no, no, I wanted to Well, yeah, that would have been
okay. I want to be an ambassador in England. I mean, that how
cool would that be? In low? That
would be Yeah, yes. That's the health risk there not because
someone's gonna shoot you because you've been over eat too
much sausages.
Damn straight. Follow up on a story we talked about was the
last episode about that Dutch couple that got thrown into
jail. Yeah, terrible. So after the show, we were Skyping back
and forth. And within like, 30 minutes, I discovered that this
jail was operated by a commercial company that has
received hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts to operate
prisons, primarily in the Texas area. And it's called
management, the management training company, I think
management and training Corporation Corporation, yeah.
And MTC and, and they're huge. And the former chairman of MTC
was the guy who, wow, what's his name? The guy who was involved
with the Abu Ghraib scandal?
Yeah, isn't that isn't that interesting?
And I'm like, How come that that high end programme Nova, who
interviewed them about a year ago? How come they didn't you
know, Google? Because the way I did it was the girl was talking
about, you know, after they'd been in jail a month had been
thrown in jail for hitchhiking, and they had a, an expired
tourist visa. And you know, that they'd never saw an attorney
were never allowed to make any phone calls. Oh, yeah. Collect
call within the US. But they were hitchhike right from
Europe. And they weren't Mexicans. You gotta make that
clear? No, nor that they look Mexican. If they were Mexicans,
they would have been let go.
Exactly. So you know, so she said, after a month, we were
allowed to send a letter. So I sent a letter to my boyfriend
who was of course in the in the in the mail ward. And they
showed the envelope, I freeze frame the video, and I just
copied the address, and I Googled it. And the website for
the jail is, is the server not found, right? It's just gone.
This the domain doesn't, doesn't resolve anymore. And then, you
know, through a couple more searches, I found out that it
was a part of MTC, and I'm just like, you know, these, it's
clear that these companies are incentivized to keep people in
jail and throw people in there, even if they don't belong in
there.
Yeah, because they get paid. Yeah. So it's, you know, the
more you got in there, the more you get paid. I'm just, I'm just
start rounding people up and throwing them in charging the
government.
I'm starting to understand how this works. You know, so our tax
dollars go into the government, the government then hires
commercial companies to do what I've always thought was like,
kind of like government work, you know, fair, people who have
no benefit to having more people in jail, but it's not true. It's
the people who are in Iraq fighting or commercial
companies. It's, it's not
I know, it's like roller ball.
It is, is yeah, it's very much like roller ball. You don't
understand it, but still it's kind of fun to watch you know,
fat chicks getting beat up I don't know it's
no I mean, the movie the original movie roller ball was a
with the James Caan was all the basically the country had
deteriorated into into factions of corporations that had that
just would fight with each other and there was there was no
government anymore and the one of the ways they would resolve a
lot of this is by having these roller ball games, where the you
know, winner takes all and if it died Another thing that was cool
fuck I got
to see this movie. I've
never seen this. You never seen about roller. A couple of movies
out there people should see roller ball the original roller
but it came out again but these remakes suck that you have to
get the original James Caan one and that's a good movie it's
it's it's you know kind of sick it's like running man and all
these others a lot of these anti Corporation movies out there but
they're rollerballs quite good. But then another one if you
haven't seen it, which I've just thinking of like cult favourites
is the original Max Headroom movie before it became a TV
show. And if you can get a copy of it. The Max Headroom movie
original has a nerd kid in it that is priceless. This kid is
unbuilt lievable you just hate him the minute you see him. He's
an evil little kid was part of that, you know, again, a hacker.
And it's just one of the best characters I've ever seen on the
screen. But the movie itself is quite fascinating.
I'm googling it right now see if I can find a clip. I've never
seen that one either. Of course, I saw the TV show because I was
hosting my own music TV show at the time. And we saw this as a
huge I remember actually talking with producers they were like,
oh fuck, man, our days are numbered. Look at what they're
doing over there in England and they've got like this fucking
like this animated shit. And you know, we won't need any more
sets. We won't need any more anything. You know, the end is
near it was quite amazing.
Like those are pretty good films for this kind of genre. But
anyway, so roller balls were reminded of with this situation
with these, these jet, I don't understand it myself where the
government is, you know, they've done that with the parking
system in San Francisco, turned it over to a private company.
And so now you have no redress. You can they can just give
tickets away to anybody they want. You're screwed. They've
jacked up the prices out in front of the offices at the pot
show headquarters. It's five cents as a quarter for five
cents. Funny. I'm sorry, five minutes for
a quarter. No. Five minutes for a quarter.
Yeah, so you got to pump in. I don't know. They have to keep
dumping these these these metres out daily because they you know,
put in sit there for half an hour you got to throw in about
you got to how many quarters you got to throw in that fit they
fill up and jam. That's ridiculous. I mean, the original
idea for parking metres was you put a coin in there as a token
just to set a timer that would make you have to get out of
there for the timer was over. It wasn't supposed to be a profit
centre.
Manager turned into one
Yeah, cuz some jerk off came along and said, hey, you know,
we can make money off these parking metres. Bam. So they're
not designed to to move traffic long. And the worst part about
it is because there's so onerous ly expensive. on Second Street
around the office near Bryant. Yeah, and there's metres all
over the place. They're all 25 cents for five minutes to
street, there's no buddy parking in those spots, because they'll
drive you down into the residential area around the
corner and park in the residential spots where they
don't have to worry about it so much, because you get two hours.
And so meanwhile, the residents are screwed. I mean, this is
just I don't see how they really don't like San Francisco.
Check this out in London. So they have this radical new
scheme called the congestion charge. Which, are you familiar
with this?
Oh, yeah. Okay, so there's apps that accidentally drive into it?
Yeah.
So there's a zone of London. And the minute you drive in, you
know, your, your licence plate to scan and if you within a
certain amount of time, don't pay up at you know, like
newsstands, I guess you can you can pay your fee. Or if you
don't have a subscription, it's eight pounds per day. And of
course, it's a penalty if you if you don't pay for it. Now, they
just recently expanded this into Chelsea and one other
neighbourhood. And so what is actually supposed to help
congestion and honestly, they launched this the very day that
school vacation started a year ago, I think, or two years ago.
So of course, everyone said, wow, look, it's working. It was
school vacation. So you know, it did feel a little bit better for
a while. But now they've expanded it into Chelsea, it's
actually had the complete opposite effect. Because all
these people who are residents in that area, they get a 90%
discount on the congestion fee. So they're, you know, they're
paying not even a pound a day, and they can go anywhere
throughout London with their car anywhere. So now the traffic is
completely fucked up. It's been you know, this just happened a
few months ago and all the cab drivers are talking about it
everyone is just, you know, well, of course the Brits don't
really get outraged about it, you know, they'd love to just
complain but I'm outraged it's it's nuts and you can just see
that they don't give a shit. You know that the government taxes
you know, the licence fee for the car and then you know, the
gas is tax and now that you know, it's it's, it's just going
to keep on going.
I'm surprised they haven't had a revolution.
There's no more new lands. I Guess that's why we have to go
to the moon again.
Maybe if we ever went in the first place? Yeah,
no, no, no, no, I've I've tried that one on the on my show a
couple years ago. And that was very bad to be on the they
didn't go to the moon side of the story. There's more people
who believe we did.
But I do love the new latest twist that we're gonna go to the
moon again in might. And I love throwing this one because I've
thrown this one on the blog, because I just love this, this
this type of debate, which is my argument is well, the only
reason we're going to go back to the moon again, is because the
Chinese say they're going to the moon. So that means we have to
go to the moon before they get there. So we can plant this
stuff from 1969 that it was never there in the first place.
I love it. Oh, this is what this is a story I wanted to talk to
you about when I was the last night I was in San Francisco as
watching CNN, maybe was a Friday night. And Larry King Live was
on and he had Shirley MacLaine. Now surely McCain, McLean. You
know, I always hear Patricia, who of course, is older than I
am, she's seen more of Shirley MacLaine, seeing more of her
career, and, you know, just knows more about her. And
Patricia always says, oh, man, she's kooky. She's really not.
And I recall that she had this thing about UFOs. And the whole
discussion was about UFOs. And these pilots, these ex military
pilots, who are now all stepping forward and saying, you know, we
really feel the government, you know, there's no reason anymore
to hide the fact that they exist that here all the time. You
know, we understand that there was no there would have been
mass panic 40 years ago with people, you know, knew that
there were UFOs. But look, they exist. I've seen him and even
Dennis, what's the candidate's name chinny chin, which he
admitted on stage in one of the debates at when he was asked
directly, you know, have you ever seen a UFO? And he says,
Yeah, I've seen a UFO which of course, what a fucking loaded
question that is, just to make the guy look foolish. But but
this is, you know, there's there's something happening
here. I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. But it was,
you know, Shirley MacLaine, these ex military pilots, you
know, on Larry King, and like, there's something real here.
At least something some phoney baloney special.
No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't think so?
Yeah, that would never happen on CNN or any of these TV stations.
No, set the public up for a special pre plugging it in
advance. Get one all jacked up. That never happened. So I was
watching Larry King, I wasn't watching Larry King. But now
there's just kind of a quasi scandal going on. I get the
biggest kick out of this one. Larry King had Marie. Marie
Azzaman. Don. Yeah. And he asked her about her son who apparently
is in rehab for drugs or alcohol or, or I don't know what, when
anyway, and she kind of freaked out because this is supposed to
be a big secret. And she was she got her demeanour changed. And
now they said all these entertainment shows that, that
try to find news where there is none right there all all over
the story. All over the story as though and I'm looking at it as
Wait a minute. Larry King, actually, who's the softball
master on on CNN, who never says anything about anything actually
asks a question that is, you know, has some, you know, some
research behind it. And everybody just finds this to be
a stunning shocker.
Well, well, no. But of course, it's you know, Larry King
actually didn't know he's just too stupid. You know, he didn't
know it was a secret and everyone else did. I'm looking
at it now.
discussing how stupid I can get. He knew is he I'm sure he knew
it was a secret. I don't know why he did it. I bet he's not
stupid by any means. I mean, we should all be so dumb. And I
think it was some. I don't know what there was some ulterior
motive. I'm not sure what it was, because he never does that.
I mean, he just, he probably could, if you want it to, but
he's essentially just, you know, kind of sleepwalk through that
show.
Well, so there's, there's a couple of things I'll say here.
You know, because I have been kind of following the Osmonds
over the past couple of weeks, mainly because, you know, Marie
was in Dancing with the Stars. And then and I liked that show
that she passed out, right. So that that kind of got her into
the news. I know Donnie, in fact, I raced against him in a
celebrity race in Denver. During the I was in India, an indie
event IndyCar when I was working for MTV, and you know, and if
the guy's fuckin serious, yeah, he won the race, by the way,
he's, you know, I was impressed. He was, you know, we were all
out partying, and he was walking the track at five in the
morning, you know, finding the apex and all the fucking person
wanted to win. He really wanted to win. But I've been following
this and, you know, like, thing I can say is, you know, for what
they had 100 Osmonds on Oprah the other day 100. So, you know,
even though they're Marie's dad had just passed away a few days
earlier, they still decide to come to Oprah Show, which is
fine, you know, but you know, what was the point? You know,
she was there plugging her dolls with She sells on I think QVC or
the home shopping network, which is, I think, really her main
source of income and I'm sure it does huge business. But when
you, you know, you step back into the limelight, you know,
it's like a fucking Boomerang, I've seen this happen, it's
happened to me many times, you know, it comes back at you, and
positive energy comes back fucking black and vice versa.
It's just, it's just, it's part of the beast, you know, only it
whips a lot faster than it used to. And the turnaround time is
quicker, and the ups and downs are severe. And this is just
what happens, I think.
I guess I mean, I don't get it, why she's, you know, in and out
of the scene that much anyway. But like, maybe she's always
trying to stay in a scene, whatever the
well, you have to because you know, when your gig as a
celebrity is selling, you know, I'm Marie Azzaman these are
these dolls, and I think she has a factory and this is really
big, these collectibles, and people get really into it. You
know, it's like seller attainment, you know, I love I
love that it's a great it's a great vocation, but part of that
is her celebrity. So you know, once in a while she you know,
she has to do something you know, it's part of the business
you know, you you do a special or you get invited some
Christmas thing that you do or pass out on stage for example, I
don't think that was contrived but yeah dance.
I'm beginning to wait after listening to you I'm thinking to
passing out on stage has been tried and so is does Larry King
thing. Maybe Larry King was was told to do this, and then she
could act flabbergast and get all kind of she got
no John. John. No, John. No, John. No, I've been in this
game. It that's not how it works. That is not. Is it a
possibility? No, it's not how it works. It is just not how it
works. The game is attention. That's the game.
And you want to get you more attention than passing out.
Yeah, but you can't set it up. Very, very rarely Can you can
you set it up? That's why it's it's such an addictive game is
because it's like media hacking. You know, if you do this, this
is gonna happen.
No, I understand. I understand. I agree with you. 100%. But I'm
just wondering, is it possible that she's that good?
Okay, I see your point that, you know, what, I'd have to defer to
the lady Patricia and I will report back on the next episode.
She will know she's that good. I think I think the passing out
was was real. The Larry King thing. I don't know.
I never throws a question out like this to anybody. Now all of
a sudden you have the nice little Murray Come on. Well,
you know, it could be that someone is just sitting there
going, Hey, let's fuck with her. Let's go get some ratings.
Now maybe that's manipulation, too.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I see that happening a lot quicker than you
know that it's a real setup and she and she wanted it. I think
she would much rather doesn't every celebrity want to be in
the news in a positive light?
Well, that now if you're measured by the pound, like they
say
enter the entire enter enter the entire reason for hip hop.
So anyway, we'll never know that's the point.
Oh, I don't know we'll keep it on the list.
Me as reminds me of the you know that of course, this was never
done for publicity purposes. But you know, Little Richard used to
when he did his rock act would always do something to injure
himself and have to be carried out in a stretcher.
Oh, speaking of celebrities, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here
is on again here in the UK. But is that okay? So I guess they
may have tried this in the states and the format didn't
take off. It's a group of C slash d liberties. So former
soap stars. This year. The biggest celebrity is this woman
named Janice Dickinson, who's who has hosted NEC America's
Next Top Model, I think on an America's Next Top Model,
America's next model or whatever, you know, one of these
shows and she was one of the original supermodels. And now
she's you know, in the 50s and she you know, she admittedly has
done has had all kinds of plastic surgery done and she
looks pretty good. You know, she's very MILFy can't quite
hand the hide the old hands. But anyway, they take this group of
celebrities and they put them in the jungle and it's like a
reality show where you get you know, you have to do trials and
you get voted off by the public. But it is enthralling. It is the
most fantastic television you can imagine. Really? Oh it is it
and yeah, because these people you know, it's not like the Big
Brother house where you still have kind of luxuries. The
entire programme is built around food. So you have your camp, and
you get food that you have to cook yourself Every night but
you have to complete a trial each day one of the members as
to you know chosen by the public has to complete a trial and if
you don't complete the trial then you know you you get less
meals and then you wind up eating close to nothing or like
rice and beans or some something like that. And these people are
constipated and it's really and they're sleeping outdoors and
they have to do stuff like you know eat live creatures and you
know sit in tubs with alligators and you know, creepy crawly shit
eels? I mean, just usually shit that, you know, inherently it's
creepy, crawly, freaky?
Well, I think it's good that we this is what we do to our
celebrities that fall off the a&b list,
it is totally a way back. It is it is fantastic for them.
So we'll make a copy of one of those for me on a on a stick or
something in London, take a look at
okay, well, there's Janice Dickinson who is a completely
ruling the camp and you know, half the women hate her. You
know, she fell down the other the other day when she had to do
a trial and she's so afraid and she can't do anything is you
really see human nature come out. And you can kind of pick
what what the people are gonna be like.
Of course, you know, most people. Most people out there
probably aren't not aware of the fact that typically I mean, and
Mark Burnett used to always harp on this, that he hated the term
reality TV, and he's the guy who invented survivor and most of
the really good shows, and he liked to call them unscripted
dramas. And they make you sign a lot of non disclosures when you
do one of these shows, like a million, so you can't say
anything about how the show's actually constructed. Yeah. And
then because it is constructed, it's totally constructed. And
they also get coach everybody and they say, Okay, you're gonna
sit down with this person, you got to find something to argue
about. And then when you get a chance, throw a glass of wine in
his face. We'll get it you know, and then and then they tell you
exactly what to do and how to do and they haven't you know,
certain people that do certain things, they always first have
the camera ready for that. It's always humorous. Nobody notices
this little What do you got a million cameras? And I don't
think so. And the whole thing is a phoney baloney thing, not that
people aren't eating the bugs, and the worms and whatever. Hey,
you
know what, you know what I did a reality show of our family
called Addams Family. In 2002, I think 2002 2003 and we produce
it all ourselves. So we had like one camera guy living with this.
I did a camera and had one editor everything done on Final
Cut Pro and it was broadcast every Saturday night primetime.
on SBS broadcasting in the Netherlands, you know, I have
the rights to that, you know, we could do first of all, I want
you to see it because I think you get a kick out of it.
Because even though it was completely unscripted and
everything happened, everything you saw was chronological order.
You'll see that just by editing we really made it into something
entertaining, and particularly editing to hit records, you
know, like soundtrack to your life type hit records. Which I
should put that up online. Because I have the right okay
should but I want to make everyone's I want to make money
off of it. Good luck. Can we get Chris Jacob to find a sponsor
Colgate or something? Or? Oh, no. You know what? No, I know, I
can get to the Mars Corporation. They wanted to sponsor the show.
And they said, you know, we'll give you I know it was like
10,000 euros per episode. If you feed your cats.
What is it large candy bars? No, no,
they make Putin up not the Purina like fancy feast or?
Yeah, they do the club skis or something? Yeah, they do. They
do candy bars, because they also said, could you just have a
couple of Mars Bars laying, laying around product placement?
And I'm like, No, I really don't want to do that. Because then
I'm really kind of breaking the barrier. But I could I could
probably get them to sponsor they might still be
talking about that product placement in the last episode of
I there's this show. I think it's called 30 foot summaries. I
can't quite remember the name of the show. But 30 rock we already
rock. Tina Fey sure
love for sure. Right
in the middle of the show. She's she's getting into an argument
with Jack the boss and he says I've got to go. And he says I've
just happened. I just he got the was with somebody and they end
up swapping phones. And so he says I accidentally thought my
phone was her phone and she must stop. Her phone was mine. And
Tina Fey goes, well, that's interesting, because that's such
a beautiful Verizon phone you got there from Verizon. I think
it makes me want to run to the Verizon store right now to get a
Verizon phone. And then she looks right into the camera and
says, Do we get paid now?
That's Alec Baldwin. Her boss. Yeah, yeah. Now she's funny,
man. I like her.
Well, she will Baldwin is definitely doing his best work
as a comic.
Yeah. Yeah, no, that that is very cool. So wrap it up, maybe
with the writer strike, which is still ongoing. I hear the 26
they're gonna go back to the the negotiating table.
Yeah, go to the dvorak.org/blog site and look at the last writer
strike video, which was done by some staffers at The Daily Show.
And if nothing else, we're gonna get some good videos out of
these guys because they seem to be getting itchy. And but the
writers strike you know, the if you start watching what they
have to say on their videos that they're putting on YouTube, you
know, you have to take their side on this whole thing, even
though I still think it could have been pretty good, maybe a
little premature, what they did, but they really did get screwed
on a lot of these. These deals.
Now I agree, they they got screwed. And I think they do
need to be made whole. And they do have to have some kind of
model set up in the future. The only thing that I just got a
little itchy about is, you know, this could happen with any cog
in the wheel. You know, it's not, it's not like, sure to the
if there's no writing, then there's no show. But there's a
lot of unions that if they drop out, then it's you know, it's
going to be just as bad. And there really won't be any shows
either.
You know what I mean? I will always have the no agenda show.
I'm looking at getting paid is the name of the game. Is that
the video? Yeah. Second, let me just see. I wonder if you can
hear this. Probably not. Hello, and welcome here. That is
obviously not the daily No.
Okay, bummer. You have to rig it differently next time.
Yeah, you're coming through the same interface. All right. Damn,
John. 41 minutes. Not bad for a Saturday afternoon here in
London. Morning.
Saturday morning here. I gotta go to the store farmer's market.
I've already been shopping with my wife.
So that's it for this weekend. John C. Dvorak here in Northern
California.
I'm Adam curry, right underneath London in the United Kingdom. We
have no agenda, but we'll be doing it again soon.
By so long.
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