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In a world where two guys who
wear comfortable shoes meet to

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speak, Armageddon must be near
tie once again for no agenda

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from the manner in southwest
London. I'm Adam curry.

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And I'll be up here in rainy
Northern California as our

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weather turns weird, hum. John
C. Dvorak.

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You've been bitching about it
all week, you know, wind and

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rain, and we've had nothing but
beautiful weather over here,

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more or less.

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There was a low pressure that
kind of apparently floated

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through and we've got somewhere
near Denver and turned around

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and came back and dumped a bunch
of snow on California snowed

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last night

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in it's almost June.

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In Tahoe, I guess done it.
Great. Find out in LA.

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It's been good here today
actually isn't so nice. The

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first day that isn't fantastic,
because a lot of wind, gusty

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wind, which is some kind of
pressure system coming in. But

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otherwise, it's been a beautiful
week.

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So you've been working on
upgrading your cell phone,

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mobile phone, what's that?

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No, yeah, I have this Vodafone,
it's a dongle that you can plug

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into your Mac and I bought it
when we moved into this house

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before I had Internet access.
And it does about 700 kilobits

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where I live right now but you
know, anywhere, like half a mile

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further up the road, it can
actually do it's hdsp a whatever

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that is, so it can do like 1.5
megabits, and it's from

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Vodafone. And you have some kind
of so called unlimited fair use.

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limit that you has wireless,
right? It's wireless. Yeah,

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it's, it's 3g, basically. And so
you have some kind of limit for

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the UK, which I was just reading
online. Of course, this is from

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a year ago, that fair use limit
was one gigabyte per month,

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which of course is nothing.

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And like, one day, yeah, really
well, I've

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looked at it, it is just about
one day for someone who serves,

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you know, has lots of media
files, it's 30 is more like it.

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But I really only need to use it
for certain occasions, then. So

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now they have a new, a new
version, which is now just kind

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of like a memory stick. It's not
it's no longer a dongle. And

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it's USB, you plug it in, and
that gives you in the right

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areas, seven and a half megabits
down, I'm not quite sure what

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the upstream is. I'll have to
look at it again. But it's

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cheaper they give you I think
you can get up to like 20

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gigabytes per month. If you're
roaming in another country,

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which is where you really got
screwed before. I mean, I'm

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talking like four pounds per
megabyte transferred in into our

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country. Oh, yeah, you check
your email, and you're like, Oh,

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that was 50 bucks. So now that's
that's become like 495 for a 24

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hour period up to 200. Meg's you
know, it's so it's better, but

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it's still highway robbery. But
they didn't give me any any

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notification that you know, is
he I pay 45 pounds a month now

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cost like, they can actually get
me to pay them more 60 per month

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to get this new, this new
bundle. But they didn't offer it

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to me. And I'm looking at the
commercials. I'm like, wait a

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minute. I've got an old plan
here. So. So I'm trying to

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figure that out. We'll see how
helpful Vodafone is my wife and

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sister us would just about talk
about that before we started the

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show. They use Joshua, get you
familiar with Joshua, never

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heard of it. Juliet, Alfa
Juliet, Alpha hotel.com. And so

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they give you a little address
book, you prepay, I think, you

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know, it's like automatically
they deduct 25 bucks from my Pay

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Pal or something. And and if you
make a phone call, you enter the

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phone number. And you hit call.
And then it will call a

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designated phone that you
specify. So it can call your

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mobile phone, your home phone or
your office phone. And then

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it'll say one moment that
actually says one moment Josh

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has connecting you. And then you
hear the phone ring. And then

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your caller ID shows up at that
other on the other end. And they

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answer and it's a very, very
cheap phone call like a penny a

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minute or something. Or 10th I
mean a 10th of a penny a minute.

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And if you if both phone numbers
that are calling each other are

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registered with Josh out then
it's absolutely free. So they

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both have had an account and
they talk for hours for free,

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which with British Telecom, the
amount of money they talk, it

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could easily be eight, eight or
900 pounds a month if they would

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just to get a you know, like a
basic rate plan.

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Well, that sounds like a winner.
Yes. Good.

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And the quality is good because
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connect different networks. So
they'll look at whatever you

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know, whatever is available in
London, whatever deal they have

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what I guess whatever
interconnect, exchange etc.

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Sometimes I think it must be
void because one out of every 20

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calls is has a little bit of an
echo or an echo has a little bit

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of a delay. But everything else
it's almost like a pure regular

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regular phone call that they
bought Django didn't buy Django

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they bought the remnants the
team or whatever. You know

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Django right. Yeah, yeah. So
they went On a business worth

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something like they have that

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service in the US Jaja jaja?
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it's a it's a US company. I
think ja, ja. Now j aj h.com.

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J aJ H Yeah,

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I think Sequoia is an investor.

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Yeah, it's cool.

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Well, you know, because I use
disposable phones, I use a track

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phone as a matter of fact, for
your mobile phones, me? Yeah.

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Isn't that Jaja for mobile
phones? Is that what it's for?

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It's for any phone. But you have
to initiate the call on the web.

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So you can do that in a mobile
browser? Or you can do do a

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bookmark.

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How's that better than Skype?

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Well, you know, the, first of
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is better. The quality is better
than Skype. Yeah. Yeah. It's

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better

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than Skype. It's real phone
call. You can hear that the you

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know, you you're connected
through wires not through IP.

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It's not that makes a
difference. But look, we're

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gonna say the customers wrong.
Yeah. I'll tell her honey,

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you're wrong. Go back to using
Skype. She hated it. She's like,

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I get that because I tried it. I
tried to get her on Skype first.

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He's like, now the headset
sucks. And I can't walk too far,

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you know, then I gotta, you
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you have a descriptive phone
thing. I call you all the time

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on Skype to phone and it works
great.

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But it's not as cheap as you
think. Joshua is much, much

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cheaper, maybe a 10th of the
price. Now Skype is not all that

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cheap.

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Do you think it's a SIP thing?
Yes. IP?

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No, no, no, it's they had they
have they have termination at

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the exchanges or whatever. You
know, that's a big business. I

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don't know a lot about it. But
it's a huge, huge business. And

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so they just buy it, you know,
they just buy up millions of

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minutes. And and with preferred
exchanges. And some of these

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exchanges are interconnected
with backhaul, you know, that's

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basically their business is just
making the connections as cheap

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as possible. But it's I think
most of it is, is P OTS.

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Interesting. Okay, well,

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I'll check it out. Marginally
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Well, I mean, you know, I never
die. You guys probably have seen

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if I saw the logoi price. Oh,
yeah, those guys or something.

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But it's like, I You can't try
everything. They've been around

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for a while. Yeah, that's

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what I'm thinking. Yeah.

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That's pretty. I mean, yeah, for
my wife. It works perfectly. I

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never use it. I always you know,
I'm just a sucker. I use a TNT

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on myself

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all the time. Geez, yeah. Well,

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what do you mean what are the
things we've done at the Vortech

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Ranch is that we've all gone to
using besides the nobody else

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put me uses the prepaid burners
No, the cell phones,

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disposables, but for regular
long distance we've all gone to

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calling cards.

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Well, here's the problem. Here's
my here's my specific problem

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because I know I live and work
in two separate countries. So

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obviously, it would be much
cheaper to use the EU and of

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course, I have a UK number over
here. And lots of people

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actually have the UK number but
here's what happens when someone

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needs to get a hold of me
because that's let's face it the

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only reason you have to call me
on my cell phone is because you

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actually need to speak to me and
I want to talk to you because no

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one else calls me and I don't
get like business pitches or

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anything it's you know, it's
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What are you soliciting the
public just call you at random

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No,

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please do not. So, you know, you
can do you can get these

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centralised numbers like Grand
Central or whatever it is a

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Google bot and I looked into
that and so you can route your

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phone calls around no problems
that you get the most till you

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give people one number and then
if you don't answer this phone,

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it'll it'll try automatically
transfer to the other phone.

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That's fantastic.

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I was in Grand Central to be
highly annoying.

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I'm just talking about the basic
concept but I can have one

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number and the problem is text
messaging because you know text

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what are people going to use?
There's no routing facility for

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text messaging it there just

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isn't there's a there's a
business let's start with a huge

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business that you have
individual pieces of software

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that can do it you know that
there is a way to actually if

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you if you it was Prince I would
take my US mobile connected

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through Bluetooth to my Mac I've
looked at all this and if a text

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message comes in, then the Mac
will actually reroute it and

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send it out to the other phone
but it's a pain in the ass you

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know it's just it's not it's not
handy and let's face it the text

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messaging I probably use the
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voice calls.

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Thanks buddy. highly appreciated
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So okay, well you're not sitting
there doing your email like most

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people wait until

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the new iPhone comes out the
meetings will be much more fun.

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Reminds me of going to the you
give speeches, it just tendency

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by the way is extremely good. I
think negative, which is you go

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give a big speech. It depends on
the group. Of course, if you

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have a, you know, a mature group
that you know is not necessarily

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so plugged into the computer,
it's ridiculous when you go to,

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like if he was any kind of a web
2.0 crowd and you gave a speech

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to him, nobody's looking at the
stage. So you can't

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even even worse, they're
twittering each other and they

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sit in little chat rooms and
make fun about the speaker.

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Yeah. And so you can't get any
good laughs from from any site

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gags if you're a prop comic,
forget about it. And so

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everyone's all hunched over
their laptops, and they're

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typing away as you're trying to
talk. And it's not even that

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they're taking notes. They're
just talking to everybody else

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in the place. You

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know what this is John, all of
this shit started when when when

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schools let the kids call the
teachers by their first name.

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That's when all this crap
started. That's a good old

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cranky comment.

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We'll take it back one step
further. Where they were the

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were the kids were encouraged to
call their parents by their

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first name

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boy that we lost a lot of ground
there didn't we?

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was really bad. It's still
creepy. By the way. If you go to

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somebody's house, some kid, some
eight year old calling her

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Father Frank.

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Isn't that crazy? Do your kids
call you dad? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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I've noticed that. It is really
creepy. When you hear that you'd

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like you know, the first thing
that goes to your mind is are

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you stepfather?

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Yeah, well, that's one and the
you know, are calling the mother

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you know, Margaret, Margaret,
can I get something to eat? I'm

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hungry. We're just like,

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whoa, in indictment. Well, what

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are the parent by the way? What
are the parents thinking? By

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encouraging this so they think
it's cool. Is it some sort of a

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liberal thing that you would you
want to you want your your

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children on? On this disc?
Unusual first name basis?

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Do you think that's still
happening? Because it was a kind

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of a big thing in like the 70s I
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I don't think I don't think it
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think it does, it does still
happen. Yeah.

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Well, in, in different
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German, French, you have a
formal way of saying you in

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English is just you and Hey,
you, right? But in, in French

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will be two, or you could say
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Dutch, it's either yay. or, or.
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variant. And Patricia still
calls or still addressed his her

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parents in the formal way. Which
is, of course, she's from 1918.

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think it's gonna go or Well,
yeah, so

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it's an easy, easy joke. But

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you know, the funny thing is
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that if you start talking
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kid, we were taught that even
with conversational French, you

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never use the two, unless you
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If you've had some kind of
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and the but nowadays, this
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encouraged. Have you noticed
this? Yeah,

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I was talking to someone else
about that the other day, and I

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think it is because of English
culture seeping through the

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entire world where in English
now you've got drama, you've got

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movies, you've got you know, all
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you all of it. All of it is you,
you, you, you, you and I think

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it's just so much easier. And
it's just it seems to be ebbing

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away. What the VU. Yeah. Yeah,
the formal the formal way of

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addressing people, I

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guess you're selling an old
fart, you know, if you still use

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it. So here's actually I, you
know, I don't speak enough

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French that I can make that
transition that easy.

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So I've been doing this thing in
the mornings for for Dutch radio

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for this arrow is the name of
the radio station. And so on the

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show, I get to talk to ministers
of Parliament, which is pretty

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cool. And I get to talk about,
you know, like the fucked up

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traffic. So I'm enjoying these
conversations. But most of these

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these men, and many of them are
women actually, in the

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Netherlands are younger than I
am. They're like, mid 30s. And

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so the first thing I say, when I
get them on the phone, or if you

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know if I meet them face to face
is can we just, it's called to

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twice a year. And can we just
use the informal way of

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addressing each other? And they
all say yes, of course.

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But that's the same as saying
can I call you Bill?

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Not quite the same. That's one
more step. Oh, that's after I

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kissed the ministers that that's
when I get to call him Bill.

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Okay. So it's not exactly the
same, not exactly the same.

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Because that that that middle
element that you're describing

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does not exist in English.
English. No, it doesn't. It's

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either we had to go from you
know, Mr. President. Can I call

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you a bill? Yeah. And there's
nothing in between? says no, you

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may not call me Bill.

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Stop calling me surely. So
there's there is one thing I

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wanted to bring up. I'm sure you
you go back to

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this story. So you asked them
about this. And then what do

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they say? Oh, they they?

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Sometimes they they don't know
what to say Depending on what I

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asked him it's there's a whole
bunch of Holland has a whole

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bunch of interesting interesting
issues the main one being the

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multicultural society
integration of Muslim

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immigrants. And then the other
one is basically traffic. If I

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boil it down those are the only
two things that people talk

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about all the time and no one
ever does anything about it.

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They don't talk about the
weather like they do in the UK

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can't constantly Yeah,

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now just sucks they all know
it's you live in Holland man,

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your three year like six feet
below that sea level. You're

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gonna get fogged in a lot. You
get used to it. Till now, I did

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talk about other things
football.

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Oh, yeah. Well, everybody's got
to talk about football.

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Well, we had a big ass match
here. Oh, actually not here. But

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in Moscow. The Champ Manchester
United. Chelsea thing. Yeah, it

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was a great great match. They
must have entered a

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great match. It was the same
boring old game and they had to

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have a shoot off at the end. It
was a

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great match. What are you
talking about in that after they

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played the for the 90 minutes
they had an extension of 30

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minutes any any goal would have
would have won the match for

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that team and it was the English
boys against each other you

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kidding me? He was a great
frickin match. Unfortunately.

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You know, penalty kicks is is
basically a lottery. You know,

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anyone can win that but it was a
great game. Did you watch it

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like it? You didn't watch it.
Come on. Don't anything like

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Neil Neil tie. It wasn't a nil
nil tie. It was one one. And no,

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let me give you some more. So
the guy on Chelsea side. What's

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his name? Frank Lampard, who who
scored the one Chelsea goal is

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like this was a real emotional
moment. His mom died like two

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weeks before this of pneumonia.
And no one knew if he was going

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to if he was going to come to
the team. When he scored. They

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had that beautiful she was high
drama, John, they have the

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beautiful shot of him looking up
at the heaven and saying this

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one's for you, mom. I mean, it
was beautiful. It was great

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television. It was a great game.
You know, the crowds didn't kill

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each other. It was in Moscow,
which was interesting. That's

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one

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of the reasons the crowds didn't
kill each other. Normally, they

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would have

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no, I disagree. I think it was a
good match. And everyone was

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everyone was tired after, you
know, after the 30 Minute

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extension of the game. And then
the teams were just strong. Now.

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I thought it was good. I liked
it.

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Yeah, no, I'm glad that a lot of
people like watching that game,

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you know, and they talked about
it. We I think we even blogged

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it because I have one of my Edie
Campbell is a huge soccer fan.

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soccer fan, which you know,
makes me wonder about him but

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except for that one pillow. But
it does most of the work. But

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I'll tell

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you at four o'clock in the
afternoon, you could hear a pin

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drop in the in the middle of the
high street of Guilford. You

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know, everyone had already gone
home. Everyone's home early into

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the game didn't start until
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eight. And everyone was there.
No one was on the street. It was

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completely

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eight in the morning. Running in
the evening. It started quarter

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at eight in the evening. Yeah.
And then didn't when time was

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the game was over at 1030. And
it was quiet. By Guilford at

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night as though it was like it's
a jump in place normally, is

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that what you're saying?

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Dude, you you should come down
to Guilford at night and see

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what's going on. Oh yeah, the
Voodoo lounge the new place dusk

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Are you crazy Guilford is is
quite this is quite the place to

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go. Clubbing and drinking within
limits miss no London but yeah,

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for this for Surrey. Absolutely.
Yeah, a lot of messed up kids on

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Fridays and Saturdays and Sunday
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My recommendation for that is
Iceland. But starting which

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is what it was recently named
something

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Iceland It was named the best
place in the world to live or

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something like that. How

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best to live. I think it was
most at least stressful or

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something like that.

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Why this because everything's
free.

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No people there. No one's a
quarter of

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a million people. It's the size
of a good size. The size of

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Gilbert Yes. The size of
Guilford.

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It looks beautiful Vanessa from
the UK offices is there this

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weekend. She and her boyfriend
were going to Iceland I'm like

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why? She says I've never been
there.

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Much to do two days. You're
done. i Yeah, but you eat a lot

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of Puffin.

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Oh, that's right. We talked
about that. Didn't we puff

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Puffin and then the thing I
always tell people go to the to

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the wool shop at the airport.
And that's where you buy your

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sweaters and blankets and stuff.
Because he'd be cold there.

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Well, no, they got this great.
You know, they got these weird

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sheep in Iceland. That look like
they're from dilla prehistoric

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to creepy looking. And they you
know, they got big Rastafarian

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curls hanging down they look
like they look like something.

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It looks like they washed in and
always look wet. And the wool is

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waterproof and it's a very
innocent comes in three colours

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natural Really there's a black
sheep, a white sheep and a brown

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sheep. And so they can make
colourful sweaters without even

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dying. doilies hardly colourful,
but you know, brown, but but

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that shop at the airport, at
least when I was there was the

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best shop and

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they're really they're like long
haired sheep with. I'm looking

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into some google images now. I
don't want that crazy.

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To see him I don't know, maybe
it was just maybe I'm scared a

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sheep. And it tastes good. They
didn't Yeah, I didn't have any

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she did all he does Puffin, it
seems to me. You know, all these

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countries that we talked about
before have these will just one

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or two thing, the one where I
was talking to my wife the other

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day about some countries that E
AK. Yeah. And I realised that of

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all the meats I've had, I've
never had Yak.

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Where does GAC typically grow?

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Well, it's in parts of India.
There's one of the Indian

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cuisines. We're doing a book on
spices because you know, we have

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this spice shop. So I've said we
got to break down the way she's

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doing all the writing. I said,
we've got to break down the

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cuisines of India, because a lot
of people don't realise when

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they go to especially Americans,
to a lesser extent the English

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but Americans in particular,
don't realise that there is no

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Indian, you know, when you go to
an Indian restaurant, you're

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getting a eclectic mishmash of
who knows what, that has no

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connection to it, you know,
these dishes have no connection,

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because they're from the various
cuisines. And it turns out that

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there's about depending on how
you break it down either for

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major cuisines or something like
18 in India, and they're all

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very different. They use
different spices, they different

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meat if they eat meat, and it's
it's radically different than

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every way

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so this is interesting. So I did
I went to Wikipedia of course,

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the authority, no mention of
India. The Yak is from the to

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from Tibet, Mongolia, Central
Asia. Himalayan region, no

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mention of India whatsoever.

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I think it's the North Eastern
cuisine that my wife isolated as

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eating Yak, although I'm sure in
Indian listening. That's not

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true. here but they may or they
don't eat yak but the resources

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so far but we're gonna run the
display some some natives of

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course we like to say they look
pretty prehistoric these Yak.

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Yeah, yeah, I wonder what they
tastes like.

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Prehistoric. That's a really old
meat. You can milk them too.

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Hey, go. Tea is made with yak
milk. Awesome.

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I wonder what that tastes like
it it probably like a goat. They

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probably have a distinctive
taste. Although it just could

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taste like beef. It could be
just, you know, progenitor who

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knows what kind of

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or they close flavour to the
bison family they look like a

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little more like by slice

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since you know or you know you
could pass off of bison meat for

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for cattle. You know if you did
it right. Hey, something new

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bison has a distinctive flavour.
But if you if you did it right,

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you could convince somebody it
was just a deep piece of beef.

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I just saw something new the
Google Image labeler

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Oh, really? What's that

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welcome. Just showed up on the
on the search. Welcome to Google

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Image labeler, a feature of
Google search that allows you to

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label images and help improve
the quality of Google's image

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search results. Cool. How does
it work? You'll be randomly

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paired with a partner who's
online and using the feature.

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over a two minute period you and
your partner will view the same

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set of images. provide as many
labels as possible to describe

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each image you see. receive
points when your label matches

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your partner's label. Cool. It's
like a game. The number of

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points will depend on how
specific your label is and

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you'll see more images until
times run out with like a game.

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We'll look I'm looking at the
today's top pairs Zippy and Jana

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chin have got 2500 or 26 points.
But the all time contributors

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which includes Zippy is number
two and go speed go What is this

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number? Here's one it's
24,000,266 100 points. What is

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this guy doing? He's just
hanging on? This is

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unbelievable. So people are
doing free work for Google.

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Yeah.

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Oh, do it John. Do Start
labelling Oh man that's cool. So

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00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,160
I've been matched up with
someone we have already yeah we

444
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,700
don't have the partners just the
two of us I got like a Chinese

445
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:38,070
girl I put girl Alma I want to I
want to label Oh matched on girl

446
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:45,720
50 points. Bing Bing Bing. Okay,
now I see. Like royalty. This

447
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,390
it's crazy. They've turned
working for Google into a game.

448
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:52,140
How crazy is that? This guy is
believable.

449
00:24:53,610 --> 00:24:58,110
They really are. And this looks
more Indian. I don't know what

450
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:58,650
that is.

451
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:02,129
This is you know what this is
you know where they got this

452
00:25:02,129 --> 00:25:06,179
idea battleships? No they got
the idea from those guys doing

453
00:25:06,179 --> 00:25:09,989
the porn doing the capture Oh
hot or not like that you know

454
00:25:09,989 --> 00:25:12,779
where you you join up and they
say here tell us what this

455
00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:15,029
capture is and you you're
basically working and you get

456
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:18,299
the show your porn and then the
capture is actually used by

457
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:21,209
spammers to crack all these you
know captures that keep cropping

458
00:25:21,209 --> 00:25:22,079
Oh,

459
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,720
that's right. Yeah, remember
that? Yeah, remember that? Oh,

460
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,870
that's crazy. Well, I'm not
going to help them anymore. Go

461
00:25:27,870 --> 00:25:32,070
away I'm done helping you
Google.

462
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,440
So

463
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,170
I want to know who my partner is
how come I don't get to meet

464
00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:39,180
this person? That's kind of
cool. What a great way to meet

465
00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:39,630
someone.

466
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:43,170
It could be allies. Maybe there
is no partner. They're just

467
00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:45,780
trying to make it seem more
social than it is for these poor

468
00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:48,570
lonely guys out there that would
sit around doing this to the

469
00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:50,850
point where they'd have 24
million points.

470
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:54,480
Go Speed go.

471
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:59,340
It's just the whole thing's a
scam. Because my partner here

472
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:03,360
wants to pass. I just passed.
Maybe I was your partner? I

473
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:07,530
don't think so. I just went
away. All right. So maybe, maybe

474
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,100
it's possible. Maybe you are. I
think you should be able to

475
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:15,960
choose your partner. Did you get
to Cypress? No. Okay.

476
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:22,920
So anyway, Financial Times two
days ago.

477
00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:27,269
By the way, my partner's
obviously a dud partner can come

478
00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:30,000
up, come up with anything good.
No good labels getting

479
00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:32,130
going anyway. Go ahead Financial
Times.

480
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,630
I'm sure you heard about this
about Moody's, the ratings

481
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:40,260
agency. This is the funniest
thing in the world, John. Okay.

482
00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:45,120
So of course, the premise here
is that Moody's rates, funds and

483
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,440
bonds and gives them a status
you are all of our listeners,

484
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,190
I'm sure at one point have heard
the triple A status. And so they

485
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:58,770
rated all these CDOs which were
these, these investment vehicles

486
00:26:58,770 --> 00:27:01,470
or debt vehicles that were
backed by these bogus mortgages

487
00:27:01,470 --> 00:27:04,050
by the subprime mortgages and
they basically rated we talked

488
00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:07,500
about this, they rated them
triple A status. Right?

489
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:10,290
Yes, it was a scandal.

490
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:15,060
Okay. They have come out now, a
year after their investigation.

491
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:19,620
And they know how it happened.
That the that they gave out a

492
00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:25,170
triple A rating to to these
bogus investment vehicles. And

493
00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:26,220
guess what it was John?

494
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,330
interns, a software

495
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:33,240
coding error. Oh, bullshit.

496
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,530
Don't you just love it? I
actually get it. Can they

497
00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:39,540
actually get away with that
bullshit

498
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:43,440
software code? What coding
error? Was it? Oh, an

499
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,490
unfortunate one. Apparently, an
unfortunate one.

500
00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:50,400
And they knew about the so
called software coding error for

501
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,340
a year before this news came out
a year.

502
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:57,600
What kind of a software coding
error? Is there here possible?

503
00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:57,840
Well,

504
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:00,750
they were supposed to receive
four notches lower, which would

505
00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:03,960
mean that they should have been
a triple B instead of a triple

506
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,900
A? Which of course would make
sense because that's probably

507
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,440
the we're probably closer to a C
minus, or maybe a double D.

508
00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:15,120
But there's another problem
that's neither here nor there.

509
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:16,860
But he's not here.

510
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:22,740
I got some downstairs. But can't
believe that front page. And you

511
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:25,020
know, it's like, you don't hear
about it anywhere. No one's

512
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:28,170
talking about it. This is one of
the actual reasons of this shit

513
00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:31,620
happening is this fucking rating
a ratings agency and now they're

514
00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:34,620
going to investigate standards
and pours I guess or whatever. I

515
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:36,540
wonder with that? Definitely.
They have to, they'll probably

516
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:39,090
be you know, they'll have the
same what the same database

517
00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:44,970
guy, we hired that same coder.
He came over here screwed us to

518
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,990
that crazy

519
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:48,420
coding error.

520
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:53,310
And it's coming apart, man, all
of the shit that I would that

521
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,830
we've been talking about is
happening in the UK. Now they

522
00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:59,670
remember that they made that
$100 billion commitment all the

523
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,730
banks of the government would
would swap the bonds for their

524
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:09,570
bad debt. That has now been
inflated to 200 billion and

525
00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:10,920
doubled overnight.

526
00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:12,749
Wow, that's a lot of money.

527
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:14,640
That's a humongous amount of
money.

528
00:29:15,449 --> 00:29:16,919
Is 200 billion pounds, right?

529
00:29:17,009 --> 00:29:20,279
No, no, I'm doing I'm doing the
conversion now. So total is like

530
00:29:20,309 --> 00:29:22,919
90 billion pounds. So it's
almost it's 200 million

531
00:29:22,949 --> 00:29:26,369
essentially. And Gordon Brown is
about to get kicked out. Like

532
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,379
they I guess they can't really
kick him out. He's, you know,

533
00:29:28,379 --> 00:29:32,189
people are calling for his
resignation. You know, very

534
00:29:32,189 --> 00:29:35,459
important principle
municipality. Now what is it?

535
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:37,920
Area crew?

536
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,720
Is it you know, they had a local
election and the conservatives

537
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:46,320
landslide win. And, you know,
everyone's like, Brown has to go

538
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,120
they're already talking about
his successor.

539
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,040
It's bad news.

540
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,390
Well, you know, that country
screwed up.

541
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Yeah, luckily, America's all on
the straight and narrow Well, we

542
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:07,410
have more space. Yeah, it's cool
to follow the news about the

543
00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:09,210
Hillary Obama stuff over here.

544
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,230
Yeah, you have people that don't
know this, essentially,

545
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:16,080
Hillary's called for the
assassination of Obama.

546
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:18,870
That's not exactly what she did.

547
00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:23,010
Well, that's the way it was
played by the media, you know,

548
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,330
and I'll explain it. Yeah,
please do. Who haven't heard

549
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:31,860
what happened when she was in a
meeting with some, some

550
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:35,040
journalists editorial board, it
was some small little paper and

551
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,680
had really small little town.
But they had it, they were

552
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,290
filming it, or somebody was, and
they got the audio and the video

553
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:43,590
of her saying the following.
After she was asked, why don't

554
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:46,050
why don't you quit and give up
because you're not going to win.

555
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,500
And she says, I but I haven't
been mathematically eliminated.

556
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:54,180
And she goes on. And she says,
Look, my husband was what didn't

557
00:30:54,180 --> 00:31:01,020
win his nomination until June
22. So why should I quit? And

558
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:07,410
besides, Bobby Kennedy was
assassinated in June. And so so

559
00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:10,350
I don't see why I should quit.
She has this like,

560
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:13,500
she has gone on to repeat this
several other times without

561
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,060
using the assassination word.

562
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:19,200
Right. So it was like, so that
was picked up immediately by the

563
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,960
media. Now the thing that I was
thinking now, of course, you

564
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,030
know, she says, Oh, she's so
sorry. And she didn't mean

565
00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:28,140
anything by it. And she was she
was sincerely apologetic. I

566
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,440
don't think she meant anything
by it. I think it's just dumb,

567
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:34,140
you know? Well, no, but here's
what I'm thinking. Even taking

568
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:39,570
it beyond dumb. She had to be
thinking about it. She had to

569
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:42,930
have in her mind it to make this
assertion or to even bring it

570
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:45,840
up. It had to be in the back of
her mind thinking, you know,

571
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:52,710
Obama could get killed. He could
get hit by a bus. I mean, it can

572
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:53,490
happen. I don't.

573
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:55,770
I don't think she was thinking
that was she was

574
00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:58,140
thinking about it, or she
wouldn't have said it. That's

575
00:31:58,140 --> 00:31:59,250
the way I'm looking at it.

576
00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:02,130
But isn't that always the case?
I mean, I've said myself, you

577
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:04,650
know, Ron Paul is still only one
heartbeat away from the

578
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:05,310
nomination.

579
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:09,210
I think it's more than one. I
don't know, man. He's like about

580
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:10,380
40 heartbeats away.

581
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:13,020
There's no one else left. He's
the only guy left if McCain

582
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:14,910
kills. Okay. When

583
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,460
they Yeah, well, that's probably
applies more to McCain. You

584
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:23,610
know, just having, you know,
dying of old age. Yeah, exactly.

585
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,780
But anyway, so that's the story.
And so now it's become a big

586
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:31,050
scandal and had bids put her in
a situation where she's now

587
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,200
completely screwed herself. She
can't she won't get the vice

588
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,850
presidency. She's gonna have
trouble running in 2012. I mean,

589
00:32:38,850 --> 00:32:42,900
these little things, you know,
it's like that. That Dean,

590
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:47,100
Howard Dean guy, you know,
scream, bang, you know, yeah.

591
00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:49,230
sticks to you.

592
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,890
So now you're gonna revise your
your prediction?

593
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:58,590
What the Hillary's gonna find
you? No, no, are you gonna stick

594
00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,860
with the possibility that there
could be some something weird? I

595
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:05,370
think this didn't help. In fact,
I think if I'm gonna, if I was

596
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:07,650
gonna take bets right now, who
is going to be the Democratic

597
00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:12,120
nominee? I would not take any
bets. Or I'd probably take Obama

598
00:33:12,150 --> 00:33:15,180
because it kind of depends on
how they spin this right. And I

599
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:17,130
think there's two things that
have to happen because I'm

600
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:21,330
really enjoying following your
analysis and truly believing

601
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:24,270
that the Clintons will exert so
much power over super delegates

602
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:26,790
and whatever needs to happen in
Florida and all this stuff. And

603
00:33:26,790 --> 00:33:31,080
then, you know, the the
appeasement stuff against Obama.

604
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,420
So you know, clearly she slipped
up she's doing all the

605
00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:38,010
Republicans work for them. So it
could it could kind of blow over

606
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:41,130
you know, something new could
prop up could crop up. I mean,

607
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:43,800
we've already forgotten Reverend
right with this thing. Right? So

608
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:44,550
there's still a

609
00:33:44,550 --> 00:33:47,220
lot of time it did up the ante
and anything can happen. I mean,

610
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:51,600
Obama though has been so I mean,
he doesn't say anything if you

611
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,370
listen to him, he just and the
way we should be looking at

612
00:33:56,370 --> 00:34:01,080
this, you know, just a very slow
kind of a monotone is admitted

613
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,630
that he sounds like he's
eloquent but he's getting to be

614
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:07,470
boring. You know, it's like, Can
this guy say anything? At all?

615
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:10,620
He says nothing. And it's and
he's Oh, and he's and he's

616
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:13,890
pompous. And I think it's going
to start were wearing thin after

617
00:34:13,890 --> 00:34:15,810
a while. I don't think he's
going to by the time the

618
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,390
November election goes around,
there should be two or three

619
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:22,350
comedians you know, copying his
cadence, which is just

620
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:24,150
horrendous has

621
00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:26,820
Saturday live not done anything
on him yet?

622
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:29,130
I don't know United stop
watches. I'm gonna have to, I'm

623
00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:32,520
sure they're doing everything on
a weekly basis maybe. To watch I

624
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,400
haven't watched a Saturday Night
Live for me either three or four

625
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:35,790
months.

626
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,070
I haven't watched it maybe a
year or so.

627
00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:40,830
And I haven't seen you know,
there's gotta be some comics

628
00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:44,220
that are nailing this guy
because he's He never says

629
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:47,610
anything. He just, you know,
talks about change. He doesn't

630
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:50,880
have anything does he doesn't
have anything of any. There's

631
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,890
nothing specific. It's just this

632
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,180
who's finding RAM who's

633
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:56,069
financing you know, giant sky
crap,

634
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:58,680
who's financing um, it's not
it's not just all little people

635
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,730
making donations on the web.
Who's financing? The Obama

636
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:04,260
campaign? Wall Street? No, no.

637
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:08,310
It's gotta look into it's got to
be there hasn't been much on it

638
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:10,800
because the media has jumped on
you know, and did all the right

639
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,740
wing talk show guys are talking
about this in there. You know,

640
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:16,950
and actually a lot of the
Democrats are talking about it,

641
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:24,120
which is the media has just out
and out. Subscribe to Obama. And

642
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,880
they are just I guess they I
think there must be some hatred

643
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520
of the Clintons because the
Clintons were really never media

644
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,570
friendly. And so they're just on
Obama's side. In fact, there was

645
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:39,060
a one of the weirdest shows on
television is on CNBC or MSNBC,

646
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:43,800
CNBC. It's called the interviews
or conversations with Michael

647
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:47,160
Eisner. Yeah, I've seen I've
seen a couple of these. He's not

648
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,850
a great interviewer, but it's
compelling. unhearable as a

649
00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:53,550
matter of fact, because he's
trying to be everybody's friend.

650
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:55,950
And he's kind of creepy as an
interviewer he is.

651
00:35:56,730 --> 00:36:00,150
Because he has that, like Steve
Ballmer kind of facial

652
00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:01,140
expression. You know what I
mean?

653
00:36:01,770 --> 00:36:04,170
Yeah. And it's, it's, you know,
it's like he's doing job

654
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:07,080
interviews or something more
important. Yeah. Or it's shitty.

655
00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:10,200
It's really crappy dinner
conversation with your boss.

656
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,070
Yeah. All right. So he had, but
he did have one of his old

657
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:17,340
buddies on the other day. And I
decided first time I've seen the

658
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:19,800
show for a while because it's on
some weird hour. And it's hard

659
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,010
to catch. And I'm not going to
record it. Because I hate to

660
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:25,740
come back from a vacation going,
Oh, I'm filled up with this, you

661
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,670
know. So he had a yawn, winter

662
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:32,880
Rolling Stone editor, the
original founder, right?

663
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:36,120
And he was just out now it says,
you know, yeah, no, we're just

664
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,930
backing Obama. The whole
publication is just just Obama

665
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,380
put Obama on the cover. And we
did this. And we did that. And

666
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:46,140
you know, we offered something
to Hillary early on, but she

667
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:50,820
said no, and but George is
behind Obama. And thinking, what

668
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:54,540
is this magazine? They're behind
Obama. And I think the media in

669
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:56,790
general is behind Obama. And
that's what's given him this big

670
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:58,680
boost is very

671
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,890
typical, though, isn't it? I
mean, that the media everywhere

672
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:04,710
is basically claiming him the
winner and you know, with this

673
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:06,570
latest, Clinton,

674
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,750
gaff gaff, that's

675
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:12,390
the word I'm looking for. So I'm
just looking into

676
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:16,260
opensecrets.org actually does a
pretty good job at tracking all

677
00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:22,440
donations. And so I'm looking at
everything over $2,300. And I

678
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,400
don't see any I don't really see
any Wall Street companies in

679
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:26,850
there yet.

680
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:30,900
Like coming into general, that's
when they give money to both

681
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:31,440
sides.

682
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:36,450
hedge. Interesting.

683
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:41,790
Well, maybe this was maybe the
maybe. Well, clearly not the

684
00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:44,070
whole country is behind him, you
know, only a part of it just

685
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:46,680
looking at the at the primaries?

686
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,670
Well, no, the problem is, is
that he hasn't won any the big

687
00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:53,220
monster states with the
exception of Illinois, which is

688
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:56,370
his state, right. And I'm
beginning to I'm getting

689
00:37:56,370 --> 00:38:01,560
reminded of my dad was a big
Republican or jumpstart big

690
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,570
Democrat. He's never Republican,
he hated the Republicans. And,

691
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,410
but he always was lamenting, I
remember, for years after the

692
00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:12,810
elections were over, he was
always lamenting the fact that

693
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:19,200
the Democrats ran ad les
Stephenson, who was a he was

694
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,630
described by my father, and
apparently most of the people in

695
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:26,700
the Democrat party as an
egghead. And they, they ran him

696
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:31,770
twice in a row. And he was
extremely, he was like, Obama

697
00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:35,160
insofar as that using kind of
intellectualised a lot of

698
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,130
things. And he had a really
outstanding speaking, let you

699
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:44,910
know, he was an eloquent person.
But but it was also the same

700
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:47,850
kind of thing. It was kind of
slow and ponderous. And it gets

701
00:38:47,850 --> 00:38:50,850
on your nerves after a while.
And in fact, John Kerry is in

702
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:54,450
the same camp. So the Democrats
keep throwing up these, these,

703
00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:59,970
you know, these throwbacks to
the to the era of, you know, the

704
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:05,310
people that could do speeches,
there's a term for these two

705
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:07,380
guys who do these eloquent
speeches in front of a large

706
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,370
crowd. They keep bringing these
guys in instead of some plain

707
00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:14,310
talk in person. While
showbusiness wishes at the

708
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,800
complete opposite spectrum,
that's fine. So everyone makes

709
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
that comparison. But the fact of
the matter is, there is a middle

710
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,050
ground. Today,

711
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:24,450
isn't aren't aren't the rules
that you can only donate a

712
00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:29,370
maximum of $2,300 to to a
presidential campaign, or a

713
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:36,600
in these alliances and maximum
numbers like 2500 or even less,

714
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,740
or 250 or so,

715
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:41,580
I'm looking here, like Susan
Adelman, who is the President

716
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:46,440
CEO of Tivoli Inc, which is a
software company, I think, so

717
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:52,440
she's donated three times
$2,300. It's not illegal. I

718
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,220
don't know. And I see she's not.
David Adelson, who's from the

719
00:39:56,220 --> 00:40:03,840
University of Oklahoma has
donated 1235 times $2,300 I see

720
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,490
people donating 3200 4600 I
thought there were limits on

721
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:09,120
this stuff.

722
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,250
There is some sort of limit
we're gonna have to now we're

723
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:14,760
gonna have to do our research in
the next show. Which is

724
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:16,020
annoying,

725
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,720
because I gave Ron Paul what I
thought was the Max was 2300

726
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,040
bucks. I thought that's all you
could do.

727
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:24,270
Well, I think maybe these are
gonna have to do with events

728
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:28,200
when you buy it seat at a table
or something like that. Perhaps

729
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,650
there might be some way getting
around it. Hmm.

730
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:35,820
Interesting. Well, so that's not
exactly you know, tonnes of

731
00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:39,300
donations from linear small
people this is like rather

732
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:44,070
significant donations from
multiple times from people who

733
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:44,730
can afford it

734
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,170
Yeah, well they can definitely
afford in fact they're cheap.

735
00:40:51,210 --> 00:41:04,410
See here maximum political
donation he election $2,300 per

736
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:08,550
election the current maximum
limits for these offices are

737
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:14,820
2300 per election it says the
current maximum donation

738
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:19,920
increased desert in maximum
donation Bama, blah,

739
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:23,760
all kinds of people donating
multiple times.

740
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:31,380
This needs to be looked into.
Wow. And here's an area where as

741
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:36,480
1100 annual maximum donations
allowed per individual. Well,

742
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:39,720
maybe it's a family of people
and they've they're donating for

743
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,910
their child and knows husband
while

744
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:44,520
you have to do it by name. And
you have to do it by name. So

745
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:48,660
it's the exact same name every
single time over and over again.

746
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:53,850
Here while husband and wife
combo I understand but here at

747
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,130
Charles and Alexander. He's
donated 4600 on the 14th of

748
00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:02,160
March 2300 On the ninth of
March.

749
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:06,420
Oh, these are states elections.
Okay, here it goes. 15 states,

750
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:09,930
including Wyoming have limits
ranging from 1000 to 5010.

751
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:13,860
states allow maximum donation of
5000 to 10,000 while four states

752
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:19,290
have contribution maximums
topping 10,000 Okay. And this is

753
00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:22,290
all primaries, right? So these
donations are going into various

754
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,430
state elections.

755
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:24,630
Gotcha. Okay.

756
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,800
So he's, he's Maryland, one of
those states or Virginia

757
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:31,140
doesn't list them on this
particular story.

758
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:33,300
Okay, well, there you go.
Mystery solve?

759
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:37,920
Yeah, so you could have given a
lot more shit,

760
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,320
you know, he would have been the
front runner if only I'd given

761
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,400
him a little bit more.

762
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:47,430
And well, it's too bad. So,
yeah, no, I just thought it'd be

763
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:51,750
interesting to see who's backing
these various people. But the

764
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:54,360
big corporations will be back in
McCain, you can count on that.

765
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,660
Yeah. Well,

766
00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:01,620
I'm with you, man. I'm writing
on the on the on the Hillary

767
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:05,250
tip. I still think that at the
end of the day, the Democratic

768
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:08,130
Party is going to say, Holy
shit, man, you know, we gotta

769
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,130
have someone who can actually,
you know, maybe maybe maybe on a

770
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:13,680
far outside chance with some
luck and a little bit of

771
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,060
tailwind. You know, keep our
keep our spot in the White House

772
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:19,620
or get our spot in the White
House.

773
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:24,750
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm
still of the opinion that Obama

774
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:25,650
is not electable

775
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,620
not well, he's, like he can win
just can't win yet.

776
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,580
Well, I just don't see anything
changing. I mean, I think this

777
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:36,060
this, unless he has something to
save one of these days except

778
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:42,540
change, change change, you know,
doesn't mean anything is

779
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:44,190
meaningless change. What

780
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:48,060
did Larry Lessig go into that
Congress congressional thing

781
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:48,840
that he was after

782
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,290
the United saw, he just did a
piece for The New York Times on

783
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:59,580
on orphan copyright stuff. And I
don't know, I haven't been a

784
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:01,530
hold had gotten to hold him
because he was doing something

785
00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:04,830
in Europe. I don't know I'm
gonna have to track him down

786
00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:06,870
because I usually try to have
lunch or something with him once

787
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:07,830
in a while, because that

788
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:11,010
was kind of sizzling for a
while, and then he wanted to do

789
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,750
like campaign finance reform or
something like that, ya know,

790
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:18,930
especially interest reform. Now,
it was kind of weird. But when

791
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:19,230
we say

792
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:21,780
the, you know, people don't get
campaign finance reform and why

793
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:24,060
it's never gonna go anywhere.
Because they don't know where

794
00:44:24,060 --> 00:44:27,270
the money I mean, if you just
analyse campaign finance reform

795
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,540
who gets the money in the at the
end of the day? The media

796
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:32,790
Yes, yeah. Commercials.

797
00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:37,440
It's so the media if campaign
finance reform ever came to

798
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,200
pass, the only people that
really be screwed by it would be

799
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,290
the media, the people taking all
that money and running these

800
00:44:43,290 --> 00:44:46,920
ads. And so there if it ever got
close to 21, there would be all

801
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,330
kinds of 60 minute reports and
and scandalous things about how

802
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:54,540
its how campaign finance reform
is, is you know,

803
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:57,900
unconstitutional, and it's
against free speech, and it's a

804
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,510
horrible thing and it's gonna
ruin the car. entry in

805
00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:03,240
everyplace else they've done it
has, you know resulted in

806
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,790
fascism and it's never going to
happen.

807
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,300
What always amazes me though It
amazes me is for the amount of

808
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,690
money that is raised and spent.
So let's say maybe 50% of the

809
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:14,970
money you spent on media, I'm
just picking a random number

810
00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:17,190
because, you know, there's a lot
of expensive consultants and all

811
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:21,090
kinds of people who ride along
on these on these campaigns.

812
00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:26,310
Right, but so let's say it's
5050 to 100 million combined,

813
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:30,270
right between Barack and
Clinton. Man they're making some

814
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,600
badass TV commercials for that
kind of money. That's crap. The

815
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:37,290
absolute frickin crap they're
making who is there someone is

816
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:40,890
stealing from them big time.
This shit. I mean, that's like

817
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:44,400
Final Cut press like rev three
is making these commercials.

818
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,060
It's it's lame. That not to say
their programming is lame. I'm

819
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:50,670
just the moment you get my
point. I mean, for that kind of

820
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:53,340
money, you could you could have
Spielberg making commercials.

821
00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:57,390
I don't get it. I know what
you're saying. Because these

822
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:59,430
things are terrible. And
they're, they're getting good.

823
00:45:59,430 --> 00:46:02,130
The problem is, I think they're
over consulted. And they're

824
00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:05,460
getting too conservative. The
commercials are uninteresting.

825
00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:08,460
You know, when moveon.org was
doing, you know, this

826
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:11,040
commercial, the I don't know if
they're doing it anymore,

827
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,410
because haven't visited their
site recently. But a good number

828
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:16,950
of years ago, they had, you
know, do it yourself commercials

829
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:21,630
that were done by the public
using, you know, Final Cut Pro,

830
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:24,030
but many, much of the public
doing these are actually the

831
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:27,480
Hollywood directors, and they on
their website, you could watch

832
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,570
all these crazy commercials that
were really nasty. And some of

833
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:35,310
them were actually quite funny.
And that, you know, if they

834
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:37,590
would rig if that was
implemented and actually went

835
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:40,440
into major place where people
could actually see some really

836
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:44,250
poignant observational
commercials rather than these

837
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:47,190
stupid commercials that they
run. I think it would be

838
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:49,410
probably a benefit to these
people. But they're they're too

839
00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:52,350
conservative. Nobody wants to do
anything. That's, you know, the

840
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:55,140
Obama won't say anything, what
he really means about anything.

841
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,650
He just talks in generalities to
Hillary's you know, she ever

842
00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,470
does open her mouth, she makes
sticks her foot in it like this

843
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:05,100
Kennedy thing. I mean, it's just
it's to people are dull.

844
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,490
I have a different theory about
those commercials, though, I

845
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:12,090
believe that they're probably
actually highly effective. And

846
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:14,730
they probably are tested to
death, because they look very

847
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:17,910
much like washing powder
commercials. And I think, you

848
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:23,250
know, my theory is that in
general, the forget, you know,

849
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:26,880
California and New York,
everything in between, you know,

850
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,580
people elect their presidents
the same way they do choose

851
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:32,310
which which washing powder
they're going to use, you know,

852
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:34,320
and those are bad commercials,
you know,

853
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,620
often hear called detergent here
in the US Virgin.

854
00:47:37,709 --> 00:47:39,599
I'm sorry, you know what I'm
talking about, though? I mean,

855
00:47:39,899 --> 00:47:43,259
those are horrible commercials.
Soap commercials. Yeah. So maybe

856
00:47:43,259 --> 00:47:46,289
they just do it. Maybe that's
what what the what really works

857
00:47:46,439 --> 00:47:49,379
as lame as shit. Everything else
is art.

858
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,640
So I ran into something
interesting yesterday, I got a

859
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,310
call from I get called people
say, Oh, I don't know pollsters

860
00:47:56,310 --> 00:48:00,000
have never call I get called by
pollsters all the time. And I

861
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,390
you know, I do what I am obliged
to do as a normal person, which

862
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:07,230
is to give them bad information,
of course. But this case, I

863
00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:09,210
didn't because it was a pretty
straightforward poll. But I've

864
00:48:09,210 --> 00:48:12,960
never had this from Rasmussen
and it seemed to have to do with

865
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:15,870
it was you have to you can
deconstruct the poll afterwards

866
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:18,720
and figure out what they were
trying to get at. And, you know,

867
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,120
they tried to always direct it a
little bit, even though this

868
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,290
didn't have any trick questions
by any means. And this seemed to

869
00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:28,980
be a poll about where you get
your you get your news from

870
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:31,350
newspapers or the internet, and
how does it affect your

871
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:35,490
judgement based on your age. And
so far as who you'd vote for,

872
00:48:35,490 --> 00:48:37,800
for president, that's what I'm
kind of thinking it was really

873
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,000
about. But the thing that was
unique about it was it was the

874
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,970
entire thing was automated. I
never had a there's no voice.

875
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:49,890
There's no person. There's
nobody calling me. And

876
00:48:49,919 --> 00:48:52,979
it's just a menu is just a
multiple choice menu. Yeah, it

877
00:48:52,979 --> 00:48:53,099
was

878
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,130
like a voice came on a woman's
voice saying, if you were to

879
00:48:56,130 --> 00:49:00,780
vote for president today, would
you vote for Obama? Hillary or

880
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:05,190
McCain? Press one? Press one for
Hillary press two.

881
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:08,430
And that's that's expensive,
too.

882
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:12,600
Well, yeah, it has to be some,
obviously some big computers

883
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,300
doing the whole thing, because
it also had forks.

884
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:18,090
Or you could go off into a
different different survey.

885
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:19,290
Yeah, you could

886
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:21,990
tell there was a fork every once
in a while that would take you

887
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:24,630
in a different direction because
of your one of your previous

888
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:27,510
answers. But the fact of the
matter is, the whole thing was

889
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:30,240
automated. I'm thinking holy
crap. They're making these

890
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,190
they're they're
institutionalised these polls

891
00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:34,950
now without worse not even
anybody doing them. They're just

892
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:37,920
they just, you know, programme a
computer and then they push the

893
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,890
button and it starts calling
everybody. Yep. So it's becoming

894
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:45,690
poll mania in this country. You
know,

895
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:51,570
when MTV when I was there in the
late 80s, late 80s, early 90s.

896
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:55,140
They did a lot of research. And
so you know, MTV played music

897
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:58,860
videos, but the research they
did was traditional radio call

898
00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:01,440
out research, so they'd
literally Call 1000 people a day

899
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,460
on the phone and say, Do you
recognise this song? And I

900
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:08,130
played the song over the phone.
And that's how they programmed

901
00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:13,380
MTV they had no way of, of or no
money really to, to do research

902
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:15,210
on music videos that just had
audio.

903
00:50:18,029 --> 00:50:23,939
What's interesting? So, well, I
am not a big fan of necessarily

904
00:50:23,939 --> 00:50:26,759
overdoing the, you know, there's
there's a moment where the

905
00:50:26,759 --> 00:50:32,249
public doesn't know the answer.
I mean, I focus groups, and I

906
00:50:32,249 --> 00:50:38,099
think they're okay to do a post
mortem analysis. But to do stuff

907
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:41,699
that's active, I don't think is
that accurate? I think they, you

908
00:50:41,699 --> 00:50:45,449
know, this is what you hear the
car companies, American car

909
00:50:45,449 --> 00:50:48,569
companies have fallen prey to
focus groups before they can

910
00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:52,139
make a decision. And many times
it's a design decision. And you

911
00:50:52,139 --> 00:50:56,849
can't have the public making
design design decisions in

912
00:50:56,849 --> 00:51:00,749
advance of a car being released.
Because the fact of the matter

913
00:51:00,749 --> 00:51:04,019
is it in some ways, the better
cars that actually influence

914
00:51:04,019 --> 00:51:07,139
other designs are art. And there
should be a professional

915
00:51:07,139 --> 00:51:09,839
designer who makes a decision
not the public because the

916
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:11,999
public goes, I don't know, it
looks like the I like the looks

917
00:51:11,999 --> 00:51:14,909
of it. But that's because the
look, a year or two from now

918
00:51:14,909 --> 00:51:16,919
might be the hottest thing
going. And if you'd asked the

919
00:51:16,919 --> 00:51:19,109
same question to the same person
two years later, that says the

920
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:22,109
best looking thing ever. You
know, it's like a fashion thing.

921
00:51:22,109 --> 00:51:25,139
I mean, you can't pull the
public. If you're a fashion

922
00:51:25,139 --> 00:51:28,589
designer, doing dresses for the
for the fall season, you know,

923
00:51:28,589 --> 00:51:31,319
six months in advance of the
season. They don't know about

924
00:51:31,319 --> 00:51:33,659
the colour swatches, and all the
other kind of weird

925
00:51:33,659 --> 00:51:35,459
infrastructure stuff that takes
place.

926
00:51:35,730 --> 00:51:38,100
Oh, that's all but if that's all
the fashion magazines, that

927
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,640
people who determine that are
the editor of Vogue and Marie

928
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,900
Claire magazine, and

929
00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:45,150
well, they make a judgement at
the end. But they do these

930
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:48,510
presentations that are kind of,
you know, here it is. Here's my

931
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:51,660
collection. What do you think?
Yeah, and then you can be

932
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:55,560
destroyed after the fact but at
least it's not randomised before

933
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,420
they roll it out. And then they
end up rolling out some

934
00:51:57,420 --> 00:52:00,330
milquetoast crap that is like
gun interesting, and probably

935
00:52:00,330 --> 00:52:02,910
five years behind the times,
which is what happens when you

936
00:52:02,910 --> 00:52:06,990
do too much polling. And you
rely on the public to make your

937
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:07,830
decisions

938
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:11,760
in the fashion industry, it
doesn't work that way. It really

939
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,910
doesn't. The people who are
calling the shots are the other

940
00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:17,610
leading magazines, and actually
the manufacturers, the

941
00:52:17,610 --> 00:52:18,540
manufacturers,

942
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:21,090
what I know, I'm understanding
that what I'm just telling you

943
00:52:21,090 --> 00:52:25,860
is that you could try to
implement a public first policy,

944
00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:29,700
if you are like a big design
house, and do focus groups and

945
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,610
then determine what should be in
the collection. You could do

946
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:35,070
that and it would be a big would
be a huge disaster.

947
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,000
If KMart probably already does
that, then.

948
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:44,400
Well, I suppose I mean, it's
possible. They probably do not.

949
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,570
You mentioned it at Walmart too.
But maybe I don't know, it's

950
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:50,640
hard to say those are those
places are operating kind of

951
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,370
like warehouses and somebody
else's responsibility to move

952
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:53,910
the goods.

953
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:56,430
Well, those guys have it easy
mean, they just look at the

954
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:59,220
designs that you know, they just
look at what's coming out and

955
00:52:59,220 --> 00:53:00,000
they just copy it.

956
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:04,650
Yeah, well, that's the business
that it is. So yeah, I

957
00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:07,350
understand what you're saying.
Beside the point that fashion is

958
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:11,610
your but I'm just saying is that
there's this dependency on on

959
00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:15,300
the public to to, you know, in
advance of things that are

960
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:17,910
changing. I don't think the
public is good at dealing with

961
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:20,940
or predicting change and
direction.

962
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:26,250
As Steve Steve Jobs, I think one
of his quotes, I subscribe to a

963
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,820
quote a day service or something
like that quote, or whatever it

964
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:33,390
is. He said, You know, if we
actually made what the public

965
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:39,210
asked for, you know, we'd be
bankrupt. Yeah, I think there's

966
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:39,960
a lot to that.

967
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,980
It's like The Simpsons episode
where Homer was given the

968
00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:48,780
design, he was the head designer
of the car company, you know, we

969
00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:51,180
decided, do whatever you want.
We don't even want to see it

970
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:51,960
until it's finished.

971
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,680
You know, we wind up with I'm
not familiar with

972
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,870
the episode. It's a good
episode, he winds up with this

973
00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:02,640
huge boat of a car that's got
like everything except the

974
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,040
barber's chair. It was just a
disaster.

975
00:54:06,510 --> 00:54:09,840
All the features all the
features you want and then some

976
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:10,710
Yeah, awesome.

977
00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:16,620
So anyway, the so I think that
in politics, they've really

978
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:20,640
fallen in fallen prey to this
sort of thinking, and it which

979
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,860
is, you know, don't do anything
and might offend the public and

980
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:25,350
and so you have these, and I
have note, this started years

981
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:27,810
and years ago, obviously, it's
nothing new. But I always

982
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,580
remember it. The most memorable
example to me was, I think it

983
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:36,960
was when Mondale who seemed like
the dullest guy in history he

984
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,680
was he was vice president,
wasn't he? Yeah, then he ran for

985
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,990
president and lost against who
McGovern Oh, no, no McGovern.

986
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:48,360
No, no, no, I'm sorry. I'm
recovering was never president.

987
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:57,780
So you always like to refer to
President Hubert Humphrey. He

988
00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:01,020
ran with that woman Ferraro,
wasn't it Oh, Geraldine Ferraro.

989
00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:04,230
Yeah I think so. I think was
Mondale Ferrara was that the

990
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:07,200
thing is you can't recite
remember Mondale for he's like

991
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,390
you can't remember I was
thinking about this yesterday

992
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:15,210
Yeah, Mondale Ferraro is that
you can't remember these

993
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:19,200
matchups and I was thinking who
won last year's Super Bowl I

994
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,690
mean it was the Giants won the
Super Bowl who did they beat?

995
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:27,720
And I was thinking about it and
I and I patriots couldn't right

996
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,650
it's like if you say the Denver
Broncos you pretty much okay to

997
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:38,820
go well yeah 20 years ago Yeah.
So anyway you can't I know you

998
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:41,190
follow soccer Mordechai five,

999
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:44,970
follow football. I follow
everything I can the important

1000
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:47,490
games. I don't give a shit about
any sport, but the important

1001
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:49,380
stuff and the big matches. I'll
follow that.

1002
00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:53,370
Do want to watch some some stuff
to watch the basketball finals,

1003
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:57,420
Jersey. I watch it I watch the
finals. I test I don't like it

1004
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:58,650
bores me. That's

1005
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,950
the Lakers and the Celtics are
gonna be fantastic. It's a

1006
00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:05,220
throwback. But anyway, so
Mondale Ferrara, they go out and

1007
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,600
they give all these talks and
then his doll just doll is

1008
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,980
unbelievable Walter Mondale. So
he comes on after he loses, he

1009
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:17,880
comes on the Johnny Carson Show
or wherever it was. And the

1010
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,410
guy's a laugh riot. I thought he
had tonnes of personality. He

1011
00:56:22,410 --> 00:56:26,070
had one liners, he was quick on
the draw. He was, you know,

1012
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:31,620
sharp as a whip and his attack.
And you know, he was just like,

1013
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:34,680
I'm watching this guy going,
Holy crap. I would have been I

1014
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,270
would have voted for this guy.

1015
00:56:36,959 --> 00:56:38,999
Yeah, but so but this time
around, everyone has already

1016
00:56:38,999 --> 00:56:41,699
been on the talk shows. And so
that, you know, we've seen that

1017
00:56:41,699 --> 00:56:44,939
personality Huckabees killed on
on Jay Leno.

1018
00:56:45,569 --> 00:56:47,459
Know How can be he's the
funniest to the group. Yeah.

1019
00:56:47,969 --> 00:56:49,169
Could be doing stand up.

1020
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:51,780
Yeah, he killed but still, he's
out.

1021
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,410
Yeah, no, but these other guys,
you know, what we're still

1022
00:56:55,410 --> 00:57:00,840
seeing with with Hillary and
with Obama and to a lesser

1023
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,430
extent McCain, we're still
seeing a phoney facade of a

1024
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:08,700
person that if this election was
over, and they came back on the

1025
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,640
same show, they would not be
acting that way, they would be

1026
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,730
different. If either one of them
just totally different person,

1027
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,610
you know what it is the
difference between we're just

1028
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:19,740
having a conversation right
here, we're just talking back

1029
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:22,380
and forth. People can tell the
difference between between that

1030
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:26,250
and a stump speech or whatever
it is they're doing or, you

1031
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:28,620
know, being on meet the press
and the way that you know, let

1032
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,920
the guard down for once be
fucking human like robots that

1033
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,460
like both

1034
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:35,640
in the the counter argument to
that if you're one of the

1035
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,030
consultants as well, that's what
Hillary did in Sioux Falls or

1036
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:41,250
Sioux City wherever she was,
when she brought the

1037
00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:42,330
assassination up.

1038
00:57:42,359 --> 00:57:45,149
Know, it's also what she did
when she you know, when everyone

1039
00:57:45,149 --> 00:57:47,669
thought she was going to cry.
And that really turned her

1040
00:57:47,669 --> 00:57:48,929
campaign around at that point.

1041
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:51,420
Yeah, well, she's one for two.

1042
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:56,760
You know, she just said, Hey,
look, Americans, dudes do debt.

1043
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:59,550
Like, look, I know, this gas
thing is out of control. You

1044
00:57:59,550 --> 00:58:02,790
know, I'm gonna go fix that.
Now. I'm gonna take care of some

1045
00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:08,250
shit for you. And vote for me.
It would work. I think people

1046
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:11,220
are ready for that. They're
tired of all the screaming and

1047
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:13,800
that's what the media has
become. It's just screaming

1048
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,390
screaming screaming loud

1049
00:58:15,419 --> 00:58:18,629
was kind of how Jesse Ventura
became the governor of

1050
00:58:18,629 --> 00:58:19,919
Minnesota, but with that kind of

1051
00:58:19,979 --> 00:58:22,379
approach and how and how did
that work out for him?

1052
00:58:23,249 --> 00:58:24,569
He got bored with the job.

1053
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:29,400
It does seem like a pretty
crappy job, doesn't it? That's

1054
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:29,910
why, you know, he

1055
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:32,520
got it. He got the job. And he
wasn't the worst Governor

1056
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:33,840
they've ever had. I suppose.

1057
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:37,110
I'll say at the end of the day,
I mean, my hat's off to all of

1058
00:58:37,110 --> 00:58:39,780
these people who are doing this
shit. I mean, that is worse than

1059
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:42,360
show business. No.

1060
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:46,560
Good isn't good night show
business for Ugly people.

1061
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:53,100
But then, you go through a lot
of shit if you if you want to.

1062
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,890
And I don't know. I think
everyone's pretty jaded. We

1063
00:58:55,890 --> 00:58:58,200
really need to sex it out. We
need to bring in you know, some,

1064
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,040
like whoever does Boston Legal,
you know, they got to start

1065
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,780
doing the coverage of this
stuff. That guy

1066
00:59:06,030 --> 00:59:09,960
named John bochco isn't no no
bochco by No,

1067
00:59:10,229 --> 00:59:16,139
no, but you know, is Steven
bochco. Somebody's dead now

1068
00:59:16,169 --> 00:59:17,249
Aaron spelling's dead.

1069
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,000
No, I was there somebody one day
whatever the case is? No, this

1070
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,700
is what's his name? The guy who
did Boston legals? The guy who

1071
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:30,360
used to do you know that guy,
right. And he's good. He's got a

1072
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,840
good sense of humour. Hell,
yeah. This is great episode,

1073
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,300
guys. One of our guys from Tech
TV worked for him for a while,

1074
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:41,550
and then he went on to the law
and order. And I haven't really

1075
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:44,130
get a hold of him. I think he
just married some actress. So I

1076
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:45,270
guess he's screwed now.

1077
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,160
What is that guy's name?

1078
00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:53,520
This has become the Google show.

1079
00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:59,490
And here we are on Google
googling so you don't have to

1080
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,710
That's right. You can sit in
your car. It's a new service

1081
01:00:01,710 --> 01:00:05,250
from Google Click here to be
attached to an audio buddy.

1082
01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:09,270
David D Kelly.

1083
01:00:09,299 --> 01:00:12,269
There you go. Yeah. David Kelly
one and then my friend is Luke

1084
01:00:12,269 --> 01:00:15,569
writer who now shows up I
believe is Lucas. But

1085
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:20,309
he didn't he didn't he marry
with Ally McBeal. I know she's

1086
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:23,249
living with Harrison Ford. Kelly
might have Mary, you're gonna

1087
01:00:23,249 --> 01:00:25,859
love it. No, no, no, no, he's
with Harrison. She's with

1088
01:00:25,859 --> 01:00:26,669
Harrison Ford.

1089
01:00:27,269 --> 01:00:29,279
Oh, that's right. Right.
Harrison Ford,

1090
01:00:29,309 --> 01:00:30,329
Lucky bastard.

1091
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:33,510
She's a little thin.

1092
01:00:34,169 --> 01:00:37,919
Now she was I just to sort of
build I don't think she was

1093
01:00:37,919 --> 01:00:38,519
anorexic.

1094
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:41,040
I know when you're that thin on
television, because television

1095
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,720
ads? Well, in my case, it adds
100 pounds. But in most cases,

1096
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,120
it adds a little weight to you
because of the horizontal

1097
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:54,150
scanlines and if you look that
thin on television you must be

1098
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:59,850
really thin as fast I you know,
I'm gonna die. I don't care.

1099
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:07,980
Nurses are make. But so yeah,
Kelly. Yeah, he would be better

1100
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:10,560
than but you know, he's like You
said he's obviously would be

1101
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,650
picky. He probably subscribed
probably on the Obama campaign.

1102
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,320
Right? Because he's, he's
obviously if you've watched his

1103
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,850
shows, you know, he's like a
liberal Democrat, isn't you with

1104
01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:26,760
some, you know, conservative
leanings on on specific issues,

1105
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,810
or he wouldn't have these highly
entertaining conservative

1106
01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:34,260
characters on the show. And so
he's me know, probably a

1107
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:38,490
libertarian. That's thinking
Obama would be good. Yes. My

1108
01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:41,430
guess there was a funny episode
that aired here last night where

1109
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:46,200
Nantucket wants an atomic bomb.
And so they asked the firm to go

1110
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:52,080
sue, because they could the laws
No, they won't give them rights

1111
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,060
to buy plutonium or whatever
else they need.

1112
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,330
I never saw that one. I've
actually stopped watching the

1113
01:01:57,330 --> 01:01:59,430
show. I watched it religiously
for its first two or three

1114
01:01:59,430 --> 01:02:02,340
episodes, or two or three
seasons. And then I found it

1115
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:06,090
becoming they lost some of their
better characters and, and they

1116
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:09,270
start with they move their
emphasis around a little bit and

1117
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:12,570
the dynamics change just enough
to that it's like, you know,

1118
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,130
Danny is too much of us. You
know, she's corny er than he

1119
01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:20,910
ever was. They did get him off
the Mad Cow thing and move them

1120
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:25,140
over to various other ailments,
which was a plus. And

1121
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:27,660
now you should pick it up again,
because it's gotten good with

1122
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:29,820
John Larroquette. And yes,

1123
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:34,950
yeah, I said find Lera kit not
to beat he's, you know, I just

1124
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:37,410
found Larroquette to be a
slightly annoyed that I think

1125
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:41,190
he's as a comic actor is kind of
funny, but he's in this role. I

1126
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:44,940
find it annoying. I find them to
be annoying. And I can't say

1127
01:02:44,970 --> 01:02:46,260
specifically why.

1128
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:50,160
Man, I hope these shows stay
around. They're so expensive to

1129
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,340
make these shows like two 3
million bucks an episode.

1130
01:02:54,270 --> 01:02:57,960
But they make their money on the
DVDs and the promise in the DVD

1131
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,160
business, stay around and keep
on

1132
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,740
going. Well, syndication is
really where all the money comes

1133
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:03,180
from the big money syndication.

1134
01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:07,350
That's why they have to do the
show for five years. People as

1135
01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:09,840
it were five years, what's five
years is five years means we

1136
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,230
just show his show in one day,
every every day of the week,

1137
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:19,230
every day a week for one year as
same as five years. You know,

1138
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:20,070
once a week.

1139
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:22,500
And then the other thing always
the other thing.

1140
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:24,870
After five years, they just quit
the show.

1141
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,440
Yeah, like Jerry Seinfeld, that
what he did more than five years

1142
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:28,680
didn't

1143
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,080
I think James Caan and on that
Vegas show, which is actually

1144
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,310
that's pretty good show. I've

1145
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:36,660
seen that. Yeah, yeah, it's

1146
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:40,110
a good show. I like it. It's got
the nice. You know Carol's is

1147
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,400
Yeah, but he quit the show up
just five seasons and just left

1148
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,720
as far as I can tell his five
seasons.

1149
01:03:47,340 --> 01:03:49,440
Dirty Sexy Money With Donald
Sutherland.

1150
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:54,540
You know, I can't watch that
show. Really? I just that to me,

1151
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:59,460
it's just unwatchable. It's a
it's an exaggeration that you

1152
01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:03,810
know, just a bunch of jokes is
once you gags and it doesn't do

1153
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:04,590
anything for me.

1154
01:04:05,070 --> 01:04:08,640
I like Donald Sutherland. I like
him no matter what he does. And

1155
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,730
then to be honest about I do
too, but in this role, I don't

1156
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:13,170
like him. I think he's too
creepy.

1157
01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:17,280
And of course, I as a pilot, I
actually want to know what

1158
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,910
happened to the to Dutch. I
wonder what went wrong with his

1159
01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:24,720
flight in his Cessna. 172 Are
they keep showing at the

1160
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:25,560
beginning of the show?

1161
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,300
CIA? Yeah, of course.

1162
01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:35,310
Bar John, you got anything else?

1163
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:40,710
Well, let's see. Well, we will.
Yeah, I do. As a matter of fact.

1164
01:04:42,030 --> 01:04:44,160
I'm trying you know, there's a
lot of interesting things going

1165
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:45,330
on in the wine world.

1166
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:52,200
Besides one Yeah. Besides the
the new sensational straw.

1167
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:55,500
Oh, that's right. We gotta go.
We haven't gotten those straws

1168
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:55,770
yet.

1169
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,770
They can't Well, so it came out.
Thursday. I haven't seen it yet

1170
01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:01,800
in the stores. I did go and look
for it for the for the wine in

1171
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,880
the carton, which came with a
straw. Haven't seen me keep my

1172
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:06,150
eyes

1173
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:09,210
open once we get the straws in
our hands that we can use it

1174
01:05:09,210 --> 01:05:10,590
with other liquids,

1175
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:13,830
yes, whoo. Once we get our hands
on a couple of those straws,

1176
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:15,780
sensory straws, that's what
they're called.

1177
01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:22,110
They're using a lot of die in
wine nowadays. Really? Yeah,

1178
01:05:22,110 --> 01:05:25,440
there's just one particular one
called mega purple, you can look

1179
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,840
it up. But mega purple is used
all over the world now. And it's

1180
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,590
kind of a proprietary
formulation, they claim it's

1181
01:05:34,590 --> 01:05:37,350
made from boiled down wine or
something like that. But nobody

1182
01:05:37,350 --> 01:05:41,520
will tell how exactly. It's some
big chemical company, or

1183
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,760
additive company or something
like that. And so you use this

1184
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,750
mega purple into cars, you know,
ever since Robert Parker became

1185
01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:52,770
this, the American who became
the number one wine reviewer in

1186
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:57,720
the world and puts a huge
influence. One of the things is

1187
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,970
that they have this thing called
parkerized wines, which are

1188
01:05:59,970 --> 01:06:02,970
wines that have to do with you
know, that appeal to his

1189
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:08,700
specific taste, which are for
big, dark black inky wines. And

1190
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:13,410
so now they're just adding this
crap to these wines, which

1191
01:06:13,410 --> 01:06:15,990
apparently also affects the
flavour in a kind of a positive

1192
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:17,610
way during a blind tasting.

1193
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:21,060
But do they do they're doing
that in the barrel? Not after

1194
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:22,080
it's in the bottle? Right?

1195
01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:25,710
Well, no, you wouldn't do it
after it's in the bottle. It's

1196
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:28,200
it would be impractical. But
it's it's somewhere in the

1197
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,230
process. Maybe during the I
don't know where it's used in

1198
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:33,690
the process. I did probably just
before it's been put in the

1199
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:36,270
barrel. That would be my guess,
I don't know.

1200
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:39,120
And this is with premium wines
with like stuff.

1201
01:06:40,110 --> 01:06:43,020
Controversies, they says with
under $20 wines and make them

1202
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:43,530
better.

1203
01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:47,190
I'd call that premium. That's
not Yeah, you would

1204
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,800
20. Man, screw top.

1205
01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:54,750
But generally speaking, it's
believed that the under $20

1206
01:06:54,750 --> 01:06:58,620
winds have it and of course, the
cheaper ones would too. And the

1207
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,670
but you don't know that the over
20 bucks guys aren't using it on

1208
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:05,040
a bad year or whatever. Because
there's been an awful lot of

1209
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:10,500
winds over the last five years
or longer, that are just way too

1210
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:16,320
dark for their further. They're
standing in society as it were.

1211
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:21,990
Theirs are not wines that should
be dark. There's just not not,

1212
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:24,270
but that's determined by the
colour of the grape. No.

1213
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:29,460
Yeah, it was it. The colours are
extracted from the skins in the

1214
01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:34,830
fermentation process. The, you
know, alcohol for one thing's a

1215
01:07:34,830 --> 01:07:38,070
solvent, and it helps extract
some of these colours. But

1216
01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:42,330
what's the point if you can just
dump this stuff in? And anyway,

1217
01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:45,570
it's a big scandal. Nobody knows
what to do about I run into

1218
01:07:45,570 --> 01:07:47,790
these wines. every once awhile.
I'm thinking if I could come up

1219
01:07:47,790 --> 01:07:51,390
with a test, but unfortunately,
the product if it's made from

1220
01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:54,000
grape skins to begin with,
there's nothing to test for.

1221
01:07:55,650 --> 01:07:58,080
Yeah, so there's no extra
chemical or additive that you

1222
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,010
can do that just basically
taking dark grape juice fanatic,

1223
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,720
you know, they're doing what
Patricia is doing. They're just

1224
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:04,830
adding grape juice.

1225
01:08:07,050 --> 01:08:08,850
She should get into business.
I'm telling

1226
01:08:08,850 --> 01:08:11,340
you, she's got an idea there.
She really does wait and wait

1227
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:13,590
until I lay those cartons on her
man. She's gonna love that. I'm

1228
01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:16,890
telling you. She's gonna. And
she's gonna love the sensory

1229
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:17,340
straw.

1230
01:08:18,089 --> 01:08:21,239
Well, you know, that could be
she could do some ads for him.

1231
01:08:22,589 --> 01:08:26,459
Yeah, right. Right. Move a lot
of product in Holland. Wow,

1232
01:08:26,489 --> 01:08:29,519
that's a market for you. Well,
you know, its market.

1233
01:08:30,749 --> 01:08:33,869
You know, a lot of the I've been
reading about the talking about

1234
01:08:33,869 --> 01:08:38,009
the chemicals that
pharmaceuticals now all these

1235
01:08:38,009 --> 01:08:40,379
patents are running out all
these drugs and trying to figure

1236
01:08:40,379 --> 01:08:43,889
out how they're gonna make
money. We've been following

1237
01:08:43,889 --> 01:08:45,329
that. Yeah.

1238
01:08:46,739 --> 01:08:49,559
You know how the United does not
they're trying to figure out how

1239
01:08:49,589 --> 01:08:51,419
not to how they make money.
They're trying to figure out how

1240
01:08:51,419 --> 01:08:53,549
to continue to gouge the public.
Yeah, that's

1241
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:55,110
what that was. That's what

1242
01:08:55,109 --> 01:08:55,949
you're worried about. Right?

1243
01:08:56,430 --> 01:08:59,640
Exactly how to go to the but
Well, the same thing with with

1244
01:08:59,670 --> 01:09:02,460
copyrights. That whole
discussion is cranking up in the

1245
01:09:02,460 --> 01:09:05,340
UK, again, where the copyrights
are 50 years still, what is it

1246
01:09:05,340 --> 01:09:08,550
in the States 100 and 190 years
now? What is Disney push

1247
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:12,900
it up to actually if you it's
500 years after you die? 500

1248
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:16,169
years now you're kidding. It's
like 95 years, isn't it?

1249
01:09:16,169 --> 01:09:17,189
Something like that? Yeah, it's

1250
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:20,249
like 100 or 150 There's some
ridiculous thing they stinkers I

1251
01:09:20,249 --> 01:09:23,219
think it's like 75 years after
you die, but you could die when

1252
01:09:23,219 --> 01:09:25,949
you're 75. So the thing you'd be
in copyright for 150 years, I

1253
01:09:25,949 --> 01:09:27,719
think is about what it runs. And
the

1254
01:09:27,719 --> 01:09:31,919
I and the irony of this is all
of this copyright stuff in the

1255
01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:37,019
states that was pushed forward
by Sonny Bono shares ex husband

1256
01:09:37,019 --> 01:09:38,669
and he was mayor of Palm

1257
01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:41,609
Springs. He was a congressman
for a while

1258
01:09:41,609 --> 01:09:43,949
he's also a congressman and the
irony of course is he hit a tree

1259
01:09:43,949 --> 01:09:48,479
while skiing and died. You know,
because he was out there getting

1260
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,449
copyrights lengthened to pass.
No,

1261
01:09:51,449 --> 01:09:53,549
there is a joke that I mean,
that's not it, but that's not

1262
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:56,099
me. There's a joke from the
tree, which was just gonna be

1263
01:09:56,099 --> 01:10:00,089
used to make paper. You know, I
don't know. But anyway, so I Get

1264
01:10:00,089 --> 01:10:00,809
from skiing

1265
01:10:01,409 --> 01:10:04,169
to Cliff. Richard is pitching
about it again, because you

1266
01:10:04,169 --> 01:10:06,449
know, he's actually old enough
that his first big hits are now

1267
01:10:06,449 --> 01:10:09,869
going into public domain. And
he's, he's unhappy about it.

1268
01:10:09,869 --> 01:10:11,879
He's saying, you know, he makes
no money. And

1269
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:14,970
it's interesting. It makes no
money. Hmm.

1270
01:10:15,029 --> 01:10:17,189
Well, not well off of the
royalties now.

1271
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:20,250
For the owner, what? What
difference does it make if it

1272
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:22,320
goes in the public domain if
you're not making any money off

1273
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,640
of it anyway? Well,

1274
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:26,520
I mean, not any money, not any
significant money. But you know,

1275
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:27,630
I'm sure it's some.

1276
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,040
Well, I'm a big fan of the
public domain, because it's one

1277
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,610
way for example, if you're
taking art history, you know,

1278
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:38,670
you have to you can't even do an
art history book nowadays, and

1279
01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:41,760
use any of the Picasso images
because they're all copyrighted.

1280
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:44,880
And so this was a teach. I teach
art history that's showing

1281
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,600
Picasso.

1282
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:50,430
Well, that wasn't allowed.
Sorry, I thought that wasn't

1283
01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:52,890
allowed. I thought that way that
Picasso, of course, isn't a

1284
01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:57,030
grand master, oh, wow, really,
you can't do that anymore.

1285
01:10:57,539 --> 01:11:01,949
The grandmasters are all way
past 150 year point. I mean, no,

1286
01:11:01,949 --> 01:11:05,909
you can't win. I mean, you. I
mean, people do it. But the

1287
01:11:05,909 --> 01:11:09,809
point is, is that it's actually
sketchy to be like, if I re I

1288
01:11:09,809 --> 01:11:12,479
couldn't do a book on Picasso,
that's for sure, without getting

1289
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,479
permission from the estate. And
I'd have to get permission for

1290
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,379
each and every individual image.
In an art history book, you

1291
01:11:19,379 --> 01:11:22,319
could probably get away with a
few using a few images as fair

1292
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:25,049
use. And they're not going to do
too much about it. But if you

1293
01:11:25,049 --> 01:11:28,439
did a whole chapter on him, and
you were just pounding these

1294
01:11:28,469 --> 01:11:32,639
Picasso images on, especially if
they were, you know, good sized,

1295
01:11:32,819 --> 01:11:36,149
you could get you in trouble.
And it's ridiculous. I mean,

1296
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:38,519
Picasso has been dead for god
knows what difference does it

1297
01:11:38,519 --> 01:11:39,179
make to him,

1298
01:11:39,449 --> 01:11:42,299
even I'll take it even further,
I have a book called The History

1299
01:11:42,299 --> 01:11:46,679
of Modern Art, and I'm sure you
can get it somewhere online. And

1300
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:50,159
it's a book that shows I was
turned on to a by an art dealer,

1301
01:11:51,179 --> 01:11:53,549
a book that shows Picasso's
paintings, and then shows

1302
01:11:53,549 --> 01:11:57,299
pictures, photographs of his
workshop. And you'll see African

1303
01:11:57,659 --> 01:12:02,879
artefacts like vases and
statues. And you'll see that he

1304
01:12:02,879 --> 01:12:07,829
literally copied the African
art. And, you know, we've got he

1305
01:12:07,859 --> 01:12:11,489
abstracted it into his Picasso
style. But he literally copied

1306
01:12:11,489 --> 01:12:14,399
the designs of African art. And
those were his paintings. And

1307
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,529
you can see them one for one
next to each other. You see his

1308
01:12:16,529 --> 01:12:19,649
workshop, you see the statue,
you see the picture of the crazy

1309
01:12:19,649 --> 01:12:23,489
looking lady with a long neck,
you know? So it's so there's all

1310
01:12:23,519 --> 01:12:27,209
I mean, that's, and by the way,
I'm totally okay with that.

1311
01:12:27,209 --> 01:12:29,699
That's how art is supposed to
work. But you build on other

1312
01:12:29,699 --> 01:12:32,399
stuff, and you copy and you
steal, and you emulate and you

1313
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:33,089
aspire,

1314
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,760
yeah, it's our perspective
became, you know, a big deal. I

1315
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,920
mean, it's, it's, it's like
anything else, it's fashionable.

1316
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:41,100
And artists, you know, see what
other artists do and they study

1317
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:42,720
and then they do try to do it
better.

1318
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,560
Now, you can even reproduce
pictures of Picasso, that's

1319
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,310
pretty amazing.

1320
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:53,400
Well, exactly, in fact, all the
artists from about from 1924 on,

1321
01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:56,550
because that's where I think the
number is right now for most

1322
01:12:57,630 --> 01:12:59,910
copyright stuff, even though
there's this, you know, you have

1323
01:12:59,910 --> 01:13:04,890
to be dead 75 years thing. But
the, for the most part, most of

1324
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:09,300
the art that you can copy put
on, you know, use for calendars,

1325
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:13,890
and just grab and use or use for
decoration has to be pretty 1924

1326
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,240
Minimally, which means that
everything is Impressionism. So

1327
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,490
the only kind of art that
anybody knows in the United

1328
01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:22,380
States, because we don't get
confronted with too much of the

1329
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:24,930
other stuff, because it was just
so sketchy, and how can we can

1330
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:27,870
reproduce it without, you know,
going through permissions

1331
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:30,540
places, and there's a couple,
luckily, there's at least at

1332
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:34,770
least, that's consolidated into
one or two groups. But the fact

1333
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:36,870
is, is not cheap, they're not
going to give you the licence

1334
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:40,110
for nothing. And so it's like,
Well, should I do that it's

1335
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,960
gonna cost me an extra 250
bucks, if I do it this way. Or

1336
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,410
if I do this with free, I'll go
with the free thing and say, 50

1337
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:49,770
bucks, and you end up you know,
just promoting continuing to

1338
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:53,700
continuing to promote Van Gogh
and Monet, you know, we're the

1339
01:13:53,820 --> 01:13:56,190
safest guide you can promote.
And so,

1340
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,250
there's a story, there's a story
over here that hit my radar a

1341
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:02,220
couple of times, mainly because
the woman in the painting is

1342
01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:06,870
British. And it's, this was a
fascinating story a couple of

1343
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:13,860
weeks ago, Lucien Freud is, is a
painter, and has this most

1344
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:19,560
recent painting. He's 85 years
old, sold for $33 million. The

1345
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:25,170
guy still alive, is basically a
really it's not even Rubenesque

1346
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:29,910
it's like a fat lady naked,
lying on a couch $33.6 million

1347
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:31,980
dollars. And the guy's allies.
This

1348
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:37,170
was the artist Lucien Freud.
Hmm, sounds like a Butano style.

1349
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:41,040
So Skype is pretty good money if
you can get it

1350
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:43,860
but but isn't that amazing?
Here's a guy who's actually

1351
01:14:43,890 --> 01:14:44,550
alive.

1352
01:14:45,329 --> 01:14:48,389
Yeah, well, it's good for him.
That 85 I don't know what he's

1353
01:14:48,389 --> 01:14:49,949
gonna do with the money but
whatever. What

1354
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:52,920
is that about though? Why all of
a sudden does a painting like

1355
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,860
that, you know, go into the
stratosphere in you know, which

1356
01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:58,350
is close to Picasso prices.

1357
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,200
Why does that leave you? There's

1358
01:15:02,010 --> 01:15:04,710
that's baffling to me. I mean,
it doesn't sound right. That's

1359
01:15:04,710 --> 01:15:08,730
an awful lot of money to spend
for a contemporary piece of art.

1360
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:09,180
Well, that's

1361
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:10,620
why it was in the news,
obviously,

1362
01:15:10,919 --> 01:15:14,609
ya know, send me a link you just
gave to one. Yeah. Well, I'll

1363
01:15:14,609 --> 01:15:16,469
just check that out and see
what's what

1364
01:15:17,069 --> 01:15:22,619
it's just gobsmacked is what I
am. gobsmacked. But that's

1365
01:15:22,619 --> 01:15:23,519
aspirational man,

1366
01:15:23,819 --> 01:15:26,759
that that picture is terrible
that I wouldn't you couldn't put

1367
01:15:26,759 --> 01:15:29,609
that in the wall, it would be
you'd be so grossed out by it.

1368
01:15:30,809 --> 01:15:33,329
That's what I'm trying to figure
out one breast.

1369
01:15:34,529 --> 01:15:37,409
And this is a British British
woman. It's a British woman. And

1370
01:15:37,529 --> 01:15:40,139
she's been done a couple
interviews because obviously

1371
01:15:40,139 --> 01:15:42,239
this painting sells for 33
million. That's pretty

1372
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:43,439
interesting that it's of her

1373
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,849
33 million. The name

1374
01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:51,780
of the name of this piece is
benefit supervisor sleeping.

1375
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,420
I think she wasn't benefit
supervisor.

1376
01:15:55,979 --> 01:15:59,429
It's like, people have to check
this I'm gonna have to blog and

1377
01:15:59,429 --> 01:16:02,279
dip you're gonna have to go look
it up. Always look, here's my

1378
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,250
opportunity to say of course,
you will find a link in our

1379
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:11,040
extended show notes which are
maintained by the expert. Hand

1380
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,180
of Bubba Martin.

1381
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:15,900
Yeah, Bubba, we'll put a link in
there to this thing. Yeah.

1382
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:20,970
That's just shows up on both
Adams site in the cage match

1383
01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:22,200
Devora site.

1384
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:25,739
But isn't that extraordinary
that that's happening. I mean,

1385
01:16:25,739 --> 01:16:29,009
that that's inspirational. That
means any kid who actually you

1386
01:16:29,009 --> 01:16:31,559
know, hears about this story, of
course, it's highly

1387
01:16:31,559 --> 01:16:34,469
underreported. It's like, hey,
wait a minute, you know, I could

1388
01:16:34,469 --> 01:16:37,469
be a lot of things. I could
actually be a painter who makes

1389
01:16:37,499 --> 01:16:39,449
good money on painting fat
chicks?

1390
01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:46,020
Well, you know, the thing was,
is that the the Lucian Freud is

1391
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:49,800
a good example of an artist who
you don't get to see his stuff

1392
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,090
much because it's all covered by
copyrights. And so you just

1393
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:57,630
won't get in a lot of books and
won't get in too many classes. I

1394
01:16:57,630 --> 01:17:00,840
mean, you have to go if you're
teaching art history, you have

1395
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,130
to go sneak a camera in or buy
some slides from the museum.

1396
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:09,690
It's the whole thing is
ridiculous. But you know, I

1397
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:13,170
understand it. It's important in
the early going of work when it

1398
01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:16,380
becomes popular, but I don't
know. I have mixed feelings

1399
01:17:16,380 --> 01:17:18,870
about the whole thing. I'm on
Larry Lessig site we're gonna

1400
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:21,300
get Larry Lessig on cranky geeks
and we're going to talk about

1401
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:25,650
this issue about the art issue.
Now about the about the orphan

1402
01:17:25,650 --> 01:17:29,550
no copyright works, and about
copyright in general, because I

1403
01:17:29,550 --> 01:17:32,190
don't think people really
understand what a screw to how

1404
01:17:32,190 --> 01:17:34,920
screwed up it got. And of
course, they blame the internet

1405
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,180
for everything but yeah,

1406
01:17:36,930 --> 01:17:41,220
it's not it's Disney, Disney
Disney Disney greed. It's that

1407
01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:44,850
frickin mouse. That's exactly
what it is. But I'm sure other

1408
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:47,220
people would have would have
wanted to go this route. It's

1409
01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:49,650
not just Disney. You know,
everyone sees that. Okay. Hey,

1410
01:17:49,650 --> 01:17:52,110
wait a minute. Like Cliff
Richard. You know, because

1411
01:17:52,110 --> 01:17:55,050
frickin Cliff Richard and the
guys up in arms, you know, I can

1412
01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:58,200
understand where he's coming
from. But at a certain point,

1413
01:17:58,350 --> 01:18:00,660
you know, when are you going to
do something that's good for the

1414
01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:04,500
rest of the world good for
society. I think it's important

1415
01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:05,520
good for culture.

1416
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:09,570
That illusia

1417
01:18:10,139 --> 01:18:13,199
knob as I'm reading this piece,
this is in the 1980s This guy's

1418
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:16,769
paintings very frequently sold.
They couldn't even sell them at

1419
01:18:16,769 --> 01:18:17,849
auction. No, of course

1420
01:18:17,849 --> 01:18:20,549
not. I just don't understand
what's the trigger? What

1421
01:18:20,549 --> 01:18:23,789
happened? What happened at this
guy all of a sudden, there was a

1422
01:18:24,179 --> 01:18:25,949
big story in Holland the other
day

1423
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,640
to do a deal with a way let's
stop for a second because people

1424
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,350
would they're gonna have to
definitely check this out.

1425
01:18:31,890 --> 01:18:37,050
Because it's like, what is even
remotely appealing about this

1426
01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:42,240
picture is not like a modern
piece. It's a it's just a

1427
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:44,760
very old lady.

1428
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,120
It's horrible. It's a big fat
lady. Naked. Can I

1429
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,910
just say one thing? Can I just
say John, please? Beauty is in

1430
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:52,350
the eye of the beholder. Okay,

1431
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,260
so there are a lot of fat
besides beside the point that's

1432
01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:56,160
not but fat does

1433
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,880
not equal horrible. She you
know, look at yourself, man. But

1434
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,580
a lot of people hate this fat as
she is. Well, I don't know. I

1435
01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:05,310
haven't seen any naked on the
couch. You'll get lucky next

1436
01:19:05,310 --> 01:19:08,250
time. You never will. By the way
I get some of that grape juice.

1437
01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:12,120
Wine and sucking through a straw
and I'll have you out of your

1438
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:12,450
clothes.

1439
01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:17,820
If you were this woman. I mean,
it's not an attractive picture.

1440
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:19,770
Let's put it that way. It's not
flattering.

1441
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:22,590
Just because you're not into it.
But a lot of people are into

1442
01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:24,900
this now. Seriously, a lot of
clearly a lot of people with a

1443
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:30,480
lot of money are into this.
Brother. Okay. Can I just being

1444
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,540
fair? I mean, I'm not I'm not
grossed out by it. I'm just

1445
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:35,040
like, Okay, well I'm not grossed

1446
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,740
out by it's a painting for God's
sake. But the point is is just

1447
01:19:37,740 --> 01:19:44,070
like 33 point 6 million? I don't
think so. But what do I know

1448
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:44,970
obviously?

1449
01:19:46,409 --> 01:19:47,729
I don't know. Patricia might
know.

1450
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,310
Come over here for what this
painting you saw this painting

1451
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,960
of the the fat the fat lady.
This one here. You see you saw

1452
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,980
that rats paper? Not Dutch.
Paper? No, no, I

1453
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,750
think you don't know the story,
okay?

1454
01:20:07,949 --> 01:20:09,179
To ask her what she thinks of
it,

1455
01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:11,190
what do you think of that? How
much would you pay for that

1456
01:20:11,190 --> 01:20:14,310
painting? You know, I've seen,
come over here, come over to the

1457
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:17,490
microphone, and I know how much
would you pay for the talk in

1458
01:20:17,490 --> 01:20:21,930
the microphone? How much would
you pay for that painting? And

1459
01:20:23,190 --> 01:20:30,300
maybe 5000 5000 5000. But I know
they paid a lot of money. $33

1460
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:32,760
million. Do you know why?

1461
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:40,199
Because nobody knows why. Nobody
knows. 5000 seems a little high.

1462
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:44,849
Anyway, okay, well, we won't go
into it. I'm gonna get a bunch

1463
01:20:44,849 --> 01:20:49,109
of nasty notes from everyone
who's fat put on five pounds.

1464
01:20:50,069 --> 01:20:50,339
But

1465
01:20:50,369 --> 01:20:53,009
just saying I'm just saying
there could be people who

1466
01:20:53,009 --> 01:20:54,089
actually adore that.

1467
01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:01,830
Yeah, whatever. So I don't know.
I guess we can leaves in the

1468
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:03,270
show on this baffling note.

1469
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,349
Like, the world has gone crazy.
We're going to hell in a

1470
01:21:07,349 --> 01:21:08,789
handbasket. I tell you.

1471
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:13,830
So I'll just send that link to
Baba and people can talk about

1472
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:15,180
it amongst themselves.

1473
01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:17,400
They'll have to do something.

1474
01:21:19,829 --> 01:21:21,149
Anyway, okay, so I

1475
01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:23,400
totally felt the show had
absolutely no direction.

1476
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:25,260
No, it was classic.

1477
01:21:27,210 --> 01:21:29,850
This was the most no agenda
we've ever had.

1478
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:34,799
It just went and wondered. But
he got it. He had his moments it

1479
01:21:34,799 --> 01:21:38,759
had its highs and lows. But
you're right we were completely

1480
01:21:38,759 --> 01:21:41,489
it wasn't there's no theme so
it's gonna be vital this one.

1481
01:21:41,819 --> 01:21:42,989
Well, let's do the title now.

1482
01:21:44,069 --> 01:21:44,879
Let's see

1483
01:21:45,449 --> 01:21:49,709
what we do at fast. fat ladies.
Not until something that's fat

1484
01:21:49,709 --> 01:21:50,969
lady sings that would be right.

1485
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:59,099
The I don't know. Why don't we
just call it named after this

1486
01:21:59,099 --> 01:22:02,699
painting, which was the sleeping
what was it benefit supervisor.

1487
01:22:04,829 --> 01:22:06,749
That's great to see is that what
it's called?

1488
01:22:08,189 --> 01:22:10,559
And it fits supervisors
sleeping. Yeah.

1489
01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:13,590
Okay. That's it. Benefits
supervisors sleeping. That is

1490
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:19,440
the now the title of the show.
Excellent. All right, everybody.

1491
01:22:19,530 --> 01:22:22,560
Coming to you from the curry men
are in Guilford in the United

1492
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,120
Kingdom. My name is Adam curry.

1493
01:22:24,809 --> 01:22:27,929
And I'm John C. Dvorak here in
Blustery and slightly wet,

1494
01:22:28,109 --> 01:22:29,249
Northern California.

1495
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:32,459
And we'll talk again next week
right here on no agenda.