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Welcome to the show that needs
no introduction, because we have

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absolutely no agenda coming to
you from the United Kingdom in

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the curry manner. I'm Adam
curry.

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And I'm John C. Dvorak from
actually sunny and warm

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California.

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Oh, nice to hear. Nice to hear.
So we just hit record, I

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probably should have started two
minutes ago, as usual. Because

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Patricia came upstairs the
minute I hit record, and then I

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stopped it like a fucking fool.
Because there's a I was reading

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the Financial Times. And there
were like, two stories on one

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page that I thought was just
funny. And I want to read them

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to you. And I was looking for
it. And she, of course, had

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already taken the paper and the
cat was pooping on it. But and

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they said, Yeah, don't worry
about it. And so I remember was

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going to talk about, but then

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hey, wait a minute, you know,
doesn't the cat normally poop on

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the on on on the on the Times of
London?

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The Daily Mail, the Daily Mail,
Daily Mail, that's it. I love

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the finance, the Financial Times
weekend is I look forward to

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that it's a real time. Maybe in
my mind, it's an old fashioned

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guy that I look forward to that.
It's almost like school

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as well. It's really an
outstanding paper. I like it.

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I agree. You want me to just
tell you these two stories that

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were on the same page, I thought
was interesting. Yeah, sure.

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Okay. So the first one is and
and I don't know if you've been

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following this, but Gordon Brown
has basically gone over to

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China, Gordon Brown being the
Prime Minister of the United

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Kingdom. And he's basically
said, Hey, all these sovereign

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wealth funds, you guys have set
up, you know, why don't you

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start investing that over here,
and we'll open up all kinds of

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trade routes and everything can
can be copacetic. And oh, by the

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way, we have Northern Rock, we
wouldn't mind if you maybe

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bought some bonds that were, you
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then we'll let you sell products
here. And essentially, he's

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saying the UK in return for all
this money and Chinese products

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that will be coming in the UK
will reciprocate with it was

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kind of it was interesting the
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with Britain's luxury goods,
like Rolls Royce, financial

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services and the English
language. So that's the chart

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that Chinese money is flowing in
now saving, you know, saving the

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city, the financial city. And on
the same page, there's this new

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tax law they want to implement.
And I don't know if you care

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anything about tax law, but this
is a very, there's two things

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that are very interesting. One
is that if you are like me, if

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you're if you live here, and at
least partially work here, but

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you have income from overseas,
you, you'll have to pay 30,000

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pounds annually, to be taxed
only on what you bring into the

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UK, or be taxed worldwide. And
between taxes and there's always

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credit. So you know, if you pay
taxes in one country, then you

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get a credit and you don't have
to pay the tax on the same money

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in the country where you may be
living or where the money was

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made. But there's one specific
citizenship that is a little

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different when it comes to
capital gains, and that's

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American citizenship. You are
taxable on your capital capital

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gains, no matter where in the
world, it took place, and you

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have to report and you have to
pay your taxes over it. But now

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the UK is going to do the same
thing for capital gains of

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people who are living in the UK.
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stock in the US or if I sold the
company in the US and I made

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money on it, I would pay
presumably 18 or 19% in the US

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and another 18 or 19% if I ever
wanted to use any piece of that

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money in the UK. So the message
that I just read on this

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Financial Times was Americans
fuck off Chinese come on in

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boys. That's really what it
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That's what it was.

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It is it's it's it's messed up.
And I'll probably have to leave.

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Well, you know, if I were you,
you're an artist, you can go to

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Ireland. Like what's the benefit
of Ireland? Well, they had some

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deal there. If you're an artist
or a writer or some paternity to

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do with the arts. You can get
Irish citizenship in some way

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shape or form. I think it's
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mean, it's could have ended but
I know it existed for a long

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time and the Irish are bitching
about it. You can get Irish

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citizenship and then with no
income tax, they just say no,

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you don't have to pay any taxes.

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I kind of like that. So so you
know this I'm an artist right

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doing this as artistry.

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You're an artist. Yeah. Cool.
You're recording artists, your

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performance artists,

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international performance
artist, surely. Adam curry

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mystique.

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And I think the hair dude, just
get you you'd be grandfathered

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in.

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I'd love to go to Australia but
in Australia you have to have I

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think you have to do you have to
be like a rocket scientist.

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Otherwise too far. What is too
far man and for what? It's too

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far, but I wouldn't mind moving
away from everybody.

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Once you move to Perth.

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That's far. It is beautiful
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I'm told but nobody's ever going
to. I'm never going to know.

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I've been to Perth. You have
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went from arrived in Sydney, but
really the documentary started

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in Melbourne, and then went
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including the the South Pacific
line, which is the the includes

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the longest piece of completely
straight railroad anywhere in

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the world through this Oh,
right, right. Yeah, the desert

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that's been nuked, whether you
see the nuclear testing, and

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it's like a 24 hour train ride
and that goes all the way to

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Perth. And that train ride. Let
me tell you, John, is not

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fucking worth it.

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I wouldn't think so. 24 hours on
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nowhere. It may not be that
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It was kind of an old fashioned
Orient Express type of vibe. But

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that was no good night. That's
some fun. I stayed in the

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outback for like three or four
days. It's a cruise a pretty

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crazy time. Very interesting. I
liked the country a lot. I would

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not mind living there, actually.

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So we got some fan mail. Well, I
don't know about that. But we

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got some family. You know, we
still Skype the show. We got

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some fan mail, by the way over
the last week or two and one

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came in from Sean Kendall who
was complimenting us for our

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stream of consciousness style of
podcasts which he thought it was

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compelling listening, I suppose.
And I realised that because I

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pulled out a notebook because
over the weeks, we keep trying

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to talk about stuff that we
write down.

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And then we never talk about No,
of course not. But so I

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found a notebook with my notes
and I realised that that we

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don't we don't we're not stream
of consciousness at all. We're

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just completely disorganised.
And there's actually, it's

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interesting to think that you
could pass it off as stream of

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consciousness when in fact,
you're just all screwed up. Now,

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that said, I found a notebook
with some of these notes in it.

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And I realised now that the
problem that I have and the

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reason I'm not as rich as you
and some other people, is

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because and you know, you can
blame it on disorganisation, you

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can blame it on all kinds of
different things. Laziness

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sloth, that I think I worked
pretty hard, but then I realised

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what it really is. The whole
thing boils down to one thing,

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it's very simple penmanship.

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You can't read your handwriting.

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I can't read these notes. Let me
guy up. So I pulled some of

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these notes down that I think
would be interesting to try to

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decipher. Yeah,

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well, let me just say, I can't
read my own handwriting either.

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Now, and I you know, what I've
been using, I've been using

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Google notebook, it has a mobile
version. And so no matter what

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device I'm on, whether it's the
N 800, or if it's my cell phone,

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or front of the computer, you
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just like I pull it out, boom,
click, I type in whatever I want

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to type in. It's, it's gotten
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Well, I should do that. Because
these know the weather, but

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there's still even so I even
like, because I used to take

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notes on the computer and that
there's still a couple of issues

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I have. One is that I have a
tendency to write down phone

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numbers. And but and I say to
myself, put the guy's name down,

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put the guy's name down, because
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remember I'll remember by the
way I wrote the eight who it

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was.

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I remember and you do remember
for about 15 minutes, and then

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you see this phone number later
go Whose number is this and you

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can't call the person saying,
hey, you know, I'm just, you

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know, it's a damned

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John C. Dvorak shooter. You've
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and, and then the other problem
I have, which is really probably

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more annoying and more
dangerous, at least for me as a

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writer, is I write down kind of
thoughts and sometimes

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observations, and sometimes
quotes or phrases I want to use

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because I think this is pretty
funny. Unfortunately, I also

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write down notes of somebody
else saying something

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and then you attribute those to
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No, I always do I always look at
it if I'm not absolutely sure

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that I dreamed it up, but which
is hard to do, because I dream

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up a lot of stuff. So I draw a
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But I've got one right here.
Okay, this is a piece of notepad

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paper it says and it says, nyc
11am. Recorder, cancelled TV.

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That's the top of the note. So I
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that

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was part of the New York City
trip, right? This is

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from months ago. Oh, maybe all
right. And I don't cancel them.

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Anyway, it was last time I
cancelled TV was when I had

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DirecTV and people out there if
you have DirecTV or the Dish

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Network and you can go on
vacation, you can cut the

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service off for like a month or
90 days and you won't get beyond

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the pay. And then put it right
back on. You can actually give

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them the date you want it off in
the date you want it on and they

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do it automatically. It's great.

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Oh, they should ever waited on
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It would be good

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now. So here's the quote. So I
had them in a dozen different

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pen. It says when it comes to
politics The Internet is like

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cocaine. Now, I don't know
whether I said that if it's my

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comment or somebody else said it
and I thought it was clever.

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comes to politics, the internet
is like cocaine.

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Yeah. So I don't know. Is that
mine? I'm not sure that somebody

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said I can't tell.

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I know I didn't say

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Who else we got to get a good
phrase. Who's Skyping? You man?

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can hear it in the background.
Here. Let

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me just tell them to stop. Yeah.

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Say Excuse me.

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Stop doing stop doing that. Now
Sorry. All right. Let's see

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another thing let's see what
else we got here. Some other

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nodes. Trojans worms and spyware
fortune of malicious future of

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malicious code. Michael, up
slow. Did some guy write that?

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Is it a book I should read? I'm
not sure YouTube and it says

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Elsevier which indicates a
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it's a Dutch publisher or
formerly publisher.

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Well they're all over the place
now this is PC fighting spyware

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magazine magazine. PC fighting
spyware magazine ad editor heist

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No it's just insane maybe editor
Neil Rubin King TOC table of

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contents and I know what that's
all about O'Reilly PC structure

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species species taxonomy and
these are kind of this is this

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is so useless. It's
unbelievable.

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I you know, I'm pretty sure you
You did right the the cocaine

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quote because all of this stuff
is totally done when you're

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high. There's no doubt about it.

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I'm not high. That's the joke of
it. I mean, if I was in college,

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and I was doing this, I would
think well yeah, this is

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typical. You know, your college
college is you know, your you

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know imbibing and the next thing
you know, you're writing down

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stupid things. I have not high I
don't use drugs at all. I

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usually don't take notes if I'm
drinking. It's just ridiculous

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because that could account for
the bad handwriting. And

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anticlimactic leopard.

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Oh, go ahead. Cat of the what?

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Cat of the bag.

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So clearly something about
apples leopard. anticlimactic.

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And then you're kind of thinking
of some some anxious cat

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out of the bag. I'm not sure.
But then the next line is

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Neanderthals, redheads.
Apparently, Neanderthals were

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redheads. interested, you
wonder,

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you know that? In the UK. The
gingers as they call them here

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are actually discriminated
against and people are always

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making jokes about people who
are ginger. And, and they treat

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them almost like you know, well,
you know, everything's great

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about you. But man, you're
ginger. And I was thinking maybe

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that does date back to
Neanderthal days.

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Well, I think in England, it's
just because there's so many

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redheaded Irish and Scottish
Scottish women, that they just

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had hatred of the Irish and the
Scots seems to be more likely in

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that case. I mean, the British
are extremely bigoted towards

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all kinds of people. The French,
of course, at the top of the

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list. Oh,

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wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop
right there. Listen to this.

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Hey,

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this is no, the lady Frenchman.
No, actually, I'm not the other

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French caller. I'm the Silicon
Valley frog. podcaster. And

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although I haven't kept in
Milwaukee, anyone was listening

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to you know what I'm calling
about? Come on, you know what

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I'm calling about? I was
listening to and John C. Dvorak

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and no agenda. And I know you
don't mean any harm when you

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call the friendship. Levy.
Although, I think in that

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department, you know, there are
a few others who might have

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beaten they're just to get back
on the French economy. It's true

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that the French economy you
know, it has its ups and downs.

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Right now. If you compare it
with the US economy, I guess

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it's pretty much a tie.

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Yeah, he's boring me now. That's
our new.

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Yeah, that was he could have you
got to tighten those up. Yeah.

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There's a good programme out
there for everybody called

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Audacity.

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What I'm lacking is something
called time.

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Well, I don't blame you there.
Let's go back to the 70s notes.

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You can come up with anything.
Domino's Pizza. X, X pimp. We're

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not going to use it tomorrow.

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Oh, I know what that was from.
That's when you were trying to

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get hookers to audition for
textra?

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I don't think so. Okay.

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Do you deny it Getting workers
to audition for texture. Are you

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denying this?

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We're looking for strippers. I'm
sorry, not hookers. There's a

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big difference.

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No, you're right. There's a big
difference. Big difference.

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And you know, the strippers are
the ones with the harder golden

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hookers are not necessarily. All
right.

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You're the only wife you're
reliably informed.

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I'm just guessing. Philly Wi Fi,
talk to a blonde. Some Yahoo for

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15 de de L U S. 140. Watching
weekly 140. Weekly.

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Okay, so that was that's about
something some show ya who's

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doing?

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Maybe Oh, yeah. It could be
Clint claims, the profits, the

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handful. The hand something
where they hand off newspapers

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in the digital age. I don't. I
think it was a book title. I do

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write down book titles. Because
I'm always doing it. There's a

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book I should do. And then once
I write the book title down,

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then I don't have to do the
book.

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What do you mean, you don't have
to do the book?

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Well, because I've already come
up with the title. So I figured

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out the book, the work is all
done. I mean, I just it just

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it's

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books gone. Is there any money?
And

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I actually I make money off the
books. I need to do I need to

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finish some books nowadays is my
problem getting?

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What is it worth the

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it's a it's a good exercise.
Most of the most books are not

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worth the effort, I would say
and I try not to do those types

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of books. depicts juggernaut
shut down button breakthrough

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triggering mechanism of thought
it's pretty good one. I think

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that's one of my little quotes.
I wanted to say about some self

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communication, self in quotes,
and I wrote this down. I don't

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know what this means, in quotes
self, then that's the end of the

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coaches towards self self
communication of blogs. What

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does that mean? I mean, it's me
you're talking to yourself when

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you're blogging, I guess,

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or maybe that blog or the actual
technical infrastructure talks

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to other blogs, something like
that.

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And I got blog as evidence
against you. Well, sure, which I

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think is that's pretty obvious.
Now. Here's one of these quotes

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again, but this time, I'm
absolutely sure. I didn't say

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it. I think some Admiral did and
I wrote it down for some reason.

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I don't know why bother writing
it down. What am I going to do

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with it? I will not allow a
network computerised system on

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this ship while I'm in command.

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Wow, that was probably the story
about the 7787. I think the

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Dreamliner and that there was a
question whether passengers

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using the Wi Fi network would be
able to hack into the plains

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computer system.

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Oh, yeah. You know, there's a
really yeah, maybe

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it isn't a good game. I ended
this. This is pretty cool.

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Yeah, no, that's a good one.
Okay, this one, you'll never get

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anything out of it. I don't get
it myself. What am I doing?

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primers that we ask ourselves
all the time.

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Just a list of words, primers,
Sarah with an H Dallas lash show

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team s k, three arrows coming
from those words, and two of

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them going nowhere, one going to
a blank line, and one pointing

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to 1976. Then to it says to a
word I can't read it says clus

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en for Korean, then a box to
word like I'm in Hollywood says

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gamer with an arrow pointing to
M F A B and then under that is

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the letters and M A F VP
circled. And then at the very

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bottom of the same pages, team
sport cost network.

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How often do you and your wife
have sex?

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Apparently not enough. Just
seems to me I might just read

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maybe we're having sex while I'm
writing these notes and cents at

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all.

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That's pretty sad. Because I bet
you did some good shit in there.

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You know, there's lots of guys
who did promise I produced too

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much material.

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Well, so that's really what the
I mean, clearly, we have a lot

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of horsepower and processing on
these laptops, I mean, that

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that's really, somehow we should
be able to create an interface

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that you can use, the way you're
using that, that notepad and

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then it can actually help you
retrieve the information. Or the

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you can link to us, I don't
know, it just feels like there's

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got to be a different type of
type of in this way.

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I have, you know, the reason I
write so many columns I try to

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do so much work is because I
gotta get these things out of my

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system, otherwise they clog you
up. And I actually, you know,

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believe that now, so I'm writing
down stuff all the time. But

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then the I used at one time I
tried using one of those

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recorders, you know, note to
sell. And it's like, you know,

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that's annoying. I mean,
everybody thinks you're an

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asshole for doing that. So I
don't do it. I have

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to do lists everywhere too that
never get done.

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Right now I would just want to I
don't want to do this for the

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whole show. I'm gonna do one
more. One more list. And this is

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not much on this one page, but
it's the same thing. It says

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security. And then there's the
word Roger. It looks like Roger.

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And then the word then and
that's underlined. And then next

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there's another underlined two
words Microsoft and then there's

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like just a scribble. But I
think it says Page or maybe this

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is all pager security page, or
Microsoft pager, Cisco pager.

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All those are underlined, and
then the word Oracle not

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underlined. And then the words
download new camera, and that's

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boxed. Hmm.

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Downloads Oh, camera.

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Yeah, it's got a nice sound to
it. I don't think it's possible.

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Anyway, that's the budget this
is this is what you know, it's

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being taken for a stream of
consciousness is just nuts.

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Anyway, driving, so I run into
these notebooks if they're not

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fresh, and they're these old
ones. It's just like, Why did I

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even bother writing anything
down, you

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know, when I'm going to the
supermarket. And you know, they

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have that stationary section. I
have a hard time passing by

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without picking up a notebook.
You know what I mean? Like a

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nice fresh thing, you know,
crackly white notebook that I

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can write stuff in? And I fill
it up? And you know, I've got

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them somewhere. I don't know if
I do anything with them?

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Well, I mean, they may be
actionable, you know, if you

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become more famous, but you
know, generally speaking, I rip

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the pages out of these things
and throw them out and and I

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just shake my head thinking I
probably lost a lot of good

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material. I mean, I could
there's material here that just

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disappearing left and right. And
what I don't get and I think you

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know it, maybe I should get seek
counselling. But what I don't

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get why? Well, I can't talk
myself into doing the extra

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detail, taking the extra step
and writing the person's name

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down next to that phone number
that I write down, or writing of

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in more detail. Well, you're
trying to be I'm sorry. Yeah,

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we're trying to be neat. So you
can read your own writing?

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Well, that's a blog. That's a
blog in itself. That's, that's a

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mental block. And we can get you
counselling for that. I know

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exactly. Who can help you.

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Oh, good. So it would be useful
because it's like it'd be It's

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getting on my nerves. But you
know, this has been going on

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forever. You're

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doing it yourself. I mean,
that's the easy thing. You can

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change that. You just do it. But
you clearly it's a it's a self

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importance thing. You think
you're too important.

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Hi, Joe, important for my own
information. Exactly. It's

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exactly. Occasional. Anyway, so
that's kind of my complaint. But

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that's the that's a

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real stream of consciousness has
nothing to do with this

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programme. Well,

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true. Well, or does did

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you hear about our crash here at
Heathrow?

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Yeah, no, that's been in the
news here quite extensively

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against some, some wire broke or
a cable who didn't curse some

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didn't communicate and the guy
couldn't get it when he had to,

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I think, isn't that a fly by
wire? Newer? 747? Or what was

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it? It's a triple seven. I
talked a little bit about the

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preliminary, you know, it was so
infuriating John to sit here.

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And, you know, finally, I hate
to say it, but finally something

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on the news. I really know
something about, I really know

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about flying. I know about
Heathrow. I know, all of these

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different things. I have not
flown a triple seven, but

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there's a lot of stuff that I do
know, the first 48 hours was so

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frustrating to see them just
rolling out, you know, bozo

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after Bozo. You know, I
witnesses who of course, you

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know, I haven't had very limited
useful information, you know,

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just consistent constant live
shots and like, please get some

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fucking experts on. And now they
have and now I have to say the

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coverage is is excellent. And
part of that is because the AI

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be the aircraft Accident
Investigation Bureau. They will

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they promised a preliminary
report in 25 days, which is

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quite fast, certainly, if you
compare it to the NTSB, but they

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also released a kind of like a
pre report, which was really

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quite quite good and quite
helpful. Because the first

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question you didn't there's
really only two things, pilots a

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real simple, there's only two
things that can get can cause

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this to happen. pilot error or
maintenance. I mean, those are

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the two things, right? Because
because this is, you know, or

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some catastrophic, wrong part.
But even that is attributable to

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maintenance because maintenance
should have caught it. That's

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essentially the way it works. So
you can't say whether know than

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the pilot is pilot error, he
should not have been flying. You

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know, that's and that's how the
reports are written to. So you

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know, what the news is doing is,
you know, everyone's, you know,

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lauding the crew and how
fantastic and I'll get to that

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in a second. But what they're,
what they're not really

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reporting on is, excuse me, this
is a triple seven it only has

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Two engines, if you've ever
flown on one of these, Jon's

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these, these engines are
massive, they're like five times

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the size of,

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of what I've been in numerous
times, right? It is indeed,

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as far as I know, the only
aircraft of this size that does

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fly by wire, meaning, you're not
actually when you pull back on

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the control. On the yoke, you're
not actually mechanically

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connected with the ailerons.

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I think the I think the big
Airbus 340 is also

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00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:30,270
right, it's also fly by wire
correct, that has the joystick

443
00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:34,260
on the side. Right. So
everything is issuing a command

444
00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:40,440
to basically servos and so to
the throttle. And that's

445
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,960
connected to something called
the fade EQ, which is the fully

446
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,060
authorised digital engine
controller. So essentially, when

447
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:51,330
you're moving the throttle
controls, the fade EQ is doing

448
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:54,210
all it's probably compensating
and doing all kinds of work and,

449
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,230
and making most efficient use
of, of the command on the

450
00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:02,100
engines. So on final approach,
they're two miles out at 600

451
00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:08,340
feet. And they're on autopilot.
So it's an autopilot landing,

452
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:11,970
which is quite normal, and
probably around 300 feet that

453
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:14,940
still disengage and landed by
hand, even though on this plane,

454
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:18,150
I believe it can completely land
itself without completely on

455
00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:23,670
autopilot. So it also has auto
throttle engaged, obviously. And

456
00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:27,390
the copilot is actually doing
the landing, which is quite

457
00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:29,910
normal, you know, these guys,
they switch off, they're coming

458
00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:34,740
in from Beijing. So it was just
this guy's turn the land. And

459
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,870
the there's nothing, there's not
a lot of wind, and the plane,

460
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,290
you know, when and when you're
coming down, essentially, you're

461
00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:47,790
using pitch. So your nose up or
down, is for your speed. It's

462
00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:49,830
kind of reverse when you think
about it, and you're using the

463
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:53,100
throttle for height, because
you're configured completely

464
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:55,800
different. You know, if you ever
seen a big plane coming, you see

465
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,430
the nose is actually up. It's
not down. Right?

466
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:02,400
Yeah, except for a B 52. But I'm
gonna go ahead.

467
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,960
And, and so, you know, go ahead.
So the so the plane starts to

468
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,860
dip a little bit glide below the
glide path. And then the auto

469
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:16,650
throttle tries to read the
engines up a little bit engines

470
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:20,010
are actually almost at idle when
you're landing. A lot of people

471
00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:22,920
don't depending on the
conditions, but they can almost

472
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,590
be off in some circumstances.
And so the throttle levers will

473
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:31,890
also automatically move forward.
But there's, the engines don't

474
00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:36,870
respond. And so from what I read
in the report, then they tried

475
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:41,130
manually to ram the throttle
levers forward, still no

476
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:43,200
response from the engines at
this point, they're below the

477
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,750
glide path. And indeed, where he
landed is very consistent where

478
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,080
it will, where the first impact
is very consistent with losing

479
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,790
power on final approach. And I
think the only thing just

480
00:27:56,790 --> 00:28:02,760
looking at it is he, he might
have done a better job with

481
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,110
actually having the wheels break
off might not have necessarily

482
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:11,130
have to have happened. But
again, pilots are real simple.

483
00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:14,400
So there's only two types of
landing you've got a good

484
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,640
landing if everyone walks away
and if the aircraft is reusable,

485
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:23,160
that's a great landing so and
right now I would not step into

486
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,580
a triple seven at all. They have
not issued any kind of warning

487
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:29,700
but I'm telling you something's
fucked up with that aeroplane.

488
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,410
Well, I wouldn't get into until
they fix that whatever the

489
00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:36,750
problem is, but you know, they
usually ground them in the US

490
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:38,370
when something weird like that
happens which

491
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:40,770
is the story and no one's
reporting on that all they're

492
00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:43,500
talking about is the crew you
know it's like excuse me Don't

493
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,620
let people fly you know not on
these planes right now you they

494
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:47,910
should ground the fleet I think

495
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:55,980
this is interesting. I just got
a memo so disappear

496
00:28:55,980 --> 00:29:00,090
disappearance, you know, we have
our Natalie seems to just like

497
00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:05,070
to get her. Her Manasa my
stepson just sent me this from

498
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:09,210
Valleywag quote. Also John
Dvorak told me that the same age

499
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:12,540
on texture because I was getting
too close to 30 I don't have a

500
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:15,630
complex about turning 30 And
we're not about to let that

501
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:19,530
cranky geek give me one I'll be
30 and eight months, John So

502
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:20,100
there

503
00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:24,750
I told you she didn't like you.
You didn't believe me? Did you?

504
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:27,660
I didn't care whether she was
turning 30 I didn't get that.

505
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Why did

506
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,870
she Why does she do that? That's
so that's so lame.

507
00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:37,170
And she has a I don't know she's
gonna get of course now

508
00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:40,380
unfortunately. She should know
better as a writer because

509
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:42,990
writers are you know, you know
when you're when you when you

510
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:44,190
slam someone who's a writer

511
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:46,860
Yeah, you know, you're gonna get
it back it could be years later

512
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:46,950
you're

513
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:50,430
gonna get it back usually you
know in spades and you have any

514
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:53,340
had to be able to put up with
the return fire. Because I've

515
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:55,890
done it numerous times and I've
gotten blasts at night you know,

516
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:58,770
sometimes you wait like a year
or two and then something all of

517
00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:01,920
a sudden you get this you get it
Eight by seven you know exactly.

518
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,500
Because you've been waiting.
Why? It's why you're getting

519
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,060
this this slam.

520
00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:07,980
Yeah, you guys like elephants.

521
00:30:10,139 --> 00:30:14,939
So I guess I'll have to now
jeez. So now I guess I have to

522
00:30:14,939 --> 00:30:15,869
do something.

523
00:30:16,049 --> 00:30:19,799
Where did he? I'm looking at
Valleywag. I don't see that.

524
00:30:20,009 --> 00:30:22,979
Here. Let me just send you this
link. It just apparently just

525
00:30:22,979 --> 00:30:26,099
came out. That's funny. But

526
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:28,710
how did you how did Valleywag
know about Becky?

527
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:31,950
No, I didn't tell him.

528
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:35,070
So how did they know that? How
did they know that at all?

529
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:39,480
There's probably about five
people who knew? I don't know. I

530
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,510
have no idea. I didn't even know
they do. I mean, you just I just

531
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:44,220
found out but there was right
now. You

532
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:48,660
know, they had a posting. Maybe.
It was a weird time. It was like

533
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,570
around, maybe it was a couple of
weeks ago. So I was still fresh

534
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:54,300
in the new year. A lot of other
shit going on. And they posted

535
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:58,830
you know, Becky Warli to be the
new host of textra.

536
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,970
I have no idea. Okay, I'm not
sure I could track it. Well,

537
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:03,210
don't

538
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,760
don't tell him. Whatever you
have.

539
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:12,450
But, you know, there's a couple
crew guys there. They could have

540
00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:15,090
overheard. I mean, you know, I
don't know. Who knows he was you

541
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:17,880
know, they were shooting her.
So, I mean, somebody could have

542
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,450
and

543
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:20,580
they were shooting it in South
Park no less.

544
00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:24,510
Right, where there's all
the.com. Anybody?

545
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:28,620
Oh, this is a good one. John.
Wow. The they gave

546
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:33,090
her a big write up. We'll put a
link on the curry.com site to

547
00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:34,320
this particular post. I

548
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,550
don't think so. You can go put
that on. dvorak.org/blog. Yeah,

549
00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:44,070
okay, I'll put it I'm not given
this one they love. Bubba can

550
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,860
accept that. This is actually
quite funny. I mean, I know what

551
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:51,540
she's thinking. She's talking
about her her appearance. I

552
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,640
mean, it's a whole thing about
her appearance. So it's kind of

553
00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:58,890
carried away. Editor's Note,
Natalie and I are at mooses. For

554
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:02,670
her going away party. Join us.
When was this? Just an old

555
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:06,540
poster? Since Friday, January
18. Must have been this Friday,

556
00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:08,640
which we missed. Anyway,

557
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:10,740
she wants to talk What's the
title of the post?

558
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:13,980
So Long and Thanks for All the
fashion advice.

559
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,390
Oh, yeah, I got it.

560
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:19,800
And then she's like, just a
straight sec. She posted this.

561
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:22,890
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Men
don't take me seriously because

562
00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:23,550
I'm pretty.

563
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:26,940
That's so much bullshit.

564
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,180
I can't imagine a more boring
segment. I will say this since

565
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:32,910
transitioning from print to
video. She hasn't transitioned

566
00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:36,240
really. I do receive just as
many viewer emails about my hair

567
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,920
and makeup and clothes as I do
about tech news. Quote, The

568
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,510
lipstick he wore in Episode 104
was not your colour. Okay, so

569
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:48,990
what John Dvorak said not to
blood. I don't take comments

570
00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:52,200
about my parents too seriously.
But I do find them amusing. I've

571
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,090
thought about the right tech
community has such strong

572
00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:56,130
opinions about what it should
look like. And I don't think so.

573
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,330
I accept all this, but I'm going
to wear red lipstick from time

574
00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:06,960
to time. Blah, blah, blah.
doesn't go anywhere. I'm heading

575
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,180
to New York. I mean, it's like a
Twitter thing. I mean, what is

576
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:11,100
this? You should just have a
Twitter account. But as I'm

577
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:12,600
heading to New York on my I'm
sure

578
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,250
she does Twitter. I'm sure she
has a Twitter. I look at her.

579
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:22,680
She has a I'm subscribed to her
weblog, and she also has a

580
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:27,120
Flickr stream which is very
entertaining. I think she

581
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,530
forgets that people can
subscribe to it. Now pretty

582
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:35,250
interesting. Let me see if I
find and follow. Do you have a

583
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:36,210
Twitter John?

584
00:33:36,869 --> 00:33:39,689
No, I cannot have you talking to
me? Oh, you said yourself I

585
00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:40,949
haven't got time to do this
stuff.

586
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,700
I don't either. But I don't I
have I have a Twitter account.

587
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,690
Once in a while. Yeah,

588
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,750
but what so you can subscribe to
other people's feeds not for

589
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:50,250
your you're not twittering?

590
00:33:51,030 --> 00:33:56,160
Well I use it kind of sometimes.
It's just it's a way to get

591
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,070
something out. I will use it
maybe once every two or three

592
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:08,100
weeks. Sure. And I got a couple
1000 followers. I have followers

593
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:13,860
come to me. So put on your I
share to put on your earplugs

594
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:18,420
know where to put the cork. My
name is Tommy. And I'm so glad

595
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:20,340
that you're here. I'm sorry.

596
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:29,790
You should be so what is not my
stepson sending me more weird

597
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:37,530
stuff. Valleywag apparently
there is something about sex

598
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:39,930
columnist though. This is the
sex columnist who touched Steve

599
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:40,620
Jobs.

600
00:34:41,369 --> 00:34:42,809
This violet blue story.

601
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:48,150
Yeah, but you know, I guess I
guess a million guys have taped

602
00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:51,180
it. Don't you know it shot it up
there. Little recorders that

603
00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:51,390
don't

604
00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:54,930
even don't even sell me with
this story. This is a stupid

605
00:34:55,979 --> 00:34:57,749
Yeah, I think so. Too stupid.
I've

606
00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:01,560
requested i Oh, you can't Just
following Natalie, you have to

607
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,280
request it.

608
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,690
I have requests for her Twitter.
Yeah.

609
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,610
I didn't know that. Oh, you
guys,

610
00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:12,720
raunchy just requested. I did.
Did Of course I requested it.

611
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:16,980
I'm not not she probably doesn't
do that much posting I don't get

612
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:21,360
the impression that she's that
much of an active Twitter or

613
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,940
blog or kind of thing. I mean,
you there are people you run

614
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:26,130
into and you find out that they
have a Twitter and their Twitter

615
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:29,520
and everything. And I went here,
I did this, I did that I went to

616
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,160
the store, I went to the guy in
the car, I drove around the

617
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,830
block, I got pulled over by a
cop and I did bla bla bla bla

618
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:37,710
bla and just goes on and on and
on. It's like GE, I mean, how

619
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:40,950
much? I think it's a lot of
nervous energy going into these

620
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:41,490
things.

621
00:35:41,789 --> 00:35:45,209
Well, I do like that there is
something reverse about it that

622
00:35:45,209 --> 00:35:51,209
I like. So it's kind of like a
chat room. Except instead of

623
00:35:51,209 --> 00:35:56,549
muting people. You can turn
people on. It's a new one. I

624
00:35:56,549 --> 00:35:57,599
mean, it's a little rough.

625
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:03,599
You're right. It's exact, exact,
exact chat room, a style of chit

626
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:04,049
chat.

627
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,719
Yeah, but no, the control is
different the way the way you

628
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,229
access the information? Well,
first of all, that's

629
00:36:10,229 --> 00:36:12,569
fundamentally different. Because
you know, you can get it through

630
00:36:12,569 --> 00:36:15,359
SMS and through, you know, im
and a whole bunch of different

631
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:18,419
ways. So in that way, it's kind
of ubiquitous, like email. I

632
00:36:18,419 --> 00:36:21,839
kind of like that. But

633
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,510
yeah, it is interesting. I'll
follow up. But it's not as

634
00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:27,000
interactive as it should. It's
not as interactive as a chat

635
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,420
room.

636
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,130
Well, you can do you can do if
you use the Add sign, then you

637
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:35,580
can send a message to someone
and it shows up specifically at

638
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:40,020
that on that person's doorstep.
Oh, yeah, there are some tricks

639
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:42,690
in there. You should look into a
John, because I think you might

640
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:46,050
be surprised that there is
something there that is, I

641
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:49,710
think, a basis of something.
It's not what it is now, but

642
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:52,590
there's a concept that I'm like,
and I have to admit I do like

643
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:56,430
it. Don't just brush it off.
Well, it's not just a chat room.

644
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:57,240
It's not I mean,

645
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,570
I'm okay. Okay. I'll tell Jamie,
I don't you know, I know that

646
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:06,300
the guy who did it ever had, and
the, you know, the people who

647
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,270
are backing it, there seem to be
a lot of guys who have a lot.

648
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:14,310
They are forward thinkers. And I
mean, even Dave Weiner, your

649
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:19,140
pal, they've loved me that he
loves it. He loves it. Yeah. And

650
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:21,150
he seems to you know, he's a
cutting edge guy,

651
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:26,219
for sure. Yeah. And he's been
posting about it a lot recently.

652
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,529
And I don't just brush that off.
You know, it is freaky right

653
00:37:31,529 --> 00:37:35,099
now. I mean, I'm sure it's
20,000 people who are just

654
00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:37,769
freaky like that, you know,
Jason Calacanis is one of those

655
00:37:37,769 --> 00:37:41,339
guys, you know, like having dim
sum, you know, thinking up by

656
00:37:41,369 --> 00:37:48,209
about buying a Tesla. Mahalo
rules, flying back to LA now.

657
00:37:49,289 --> 00:37:50,579
You know, that's literally

658
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:54,150
what I'm also reminded of,
there's something I've never

659
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:57,150
really warmed up to. And I see a
lot of people that do this, you

660
00:37:57,150 --> 00:38:00,480
know, they have their, you know,
you're talking about my note

661
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,360
taking in a sense of self
importance. But I'm not one of

662
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,960
those guys who puts down my
schedule, on the blog, of

663
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,510
course, not do that much,
generally speaking, but, but I

664
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:11,820
know a lot of people that said,
Hey, here's what I'm doing for

665
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:14,430
the next six months. I'm
speaking here, and I'm at a big

666
00:38:14,430 --> 00:38:17,130
conference over here. I'm going
here and I'm going there. And

667
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:19,140
I'm going to disappoint an event
that important.

668
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:22,140
Well, you know, who else does
that very effectively on their

669
00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:26,460
on their weblogs? escorts they
always have, what town they're

670
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:29,310
visiting and the dates and where
they're going to be? And I think

671
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:30,300
it's a really good thing.

672
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:34,530
Why? Yeah,

673
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:41,550
yeah. So you can coordinate What
are you talking about? Why? You

674
00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:43,860
know, it's just a different line
of business. What's the

675
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:46,170
difference between an escort and
Jason Calacanis?

676
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,610
Well, I don't think that's a
good example. Okay. I will. But

677
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,580
the, there might not be a
difference between those two.

678
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,820
The not that I'm, anyway, so

679
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:03,840
I'll be I'll be brave and have
an opinion. John bibra. I

680
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,240
don't see why I why anybody? I
just when I see one of these

681
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,090
things, I know people that do
this, and I see them. Here's my

682
00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:14,370
schedule. And here's what I'm
doing. It's always a bunch of

683
00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:18,780
crap anyway. And who's reading
these blogs? I mean, they have a

684
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:22,080
few people that aren't you know,
if you're going to be in Basel,

685
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,500
Switzerland, you know how many
people would read my blog that

686
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,140
are that would be in Basel,
Switzerland, Switzerland for

687
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:28,830
anything. Well,

688
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:34,920
Basel. What's the name of the
Brit from Basel? He listens to

689
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,360
my show. He actually lives from
Basel Basel. Yeah. The Britain

690
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,870
Basel.

691
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:43,980
The Brit in Basel. Yeah. Do you
want to come on up to you?

692
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:52,170
Hello, Adam, I might well, but
you know what, so can you give

693
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:56,430
me three names of people who do
that? Give me three names.

694
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:59,760
I'll give you I remember off the
top of my head and Esther Dyson

695
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,510
does It, Larry, our friend Larry
at the Creative Commons. I don't

696
00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:09,570
know why can't think of Larry
Lessig, Leslie Lessig, Larry

697
00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:15,090
Lessig. Destro Dyson does it and
I think John Perry Barlow does

698
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:15,900
it. Okay, so

699
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:19,710
So let me let me just say, let
me just say, Esther Dyson, I

700
00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:22,860
subscribe to her. She has a
couple of feeds, and she also

701
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:27,870
has a Flickr feed. And I gotta
tell you, I enjoy it. I think

702
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:31,740
it's, it's, it helps me keep up
with what Esther Dyson is doing.

703
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:35,670
And invariably, our paths will
cross one day and it'll be for a

704
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:37,800
reason, but I'm sure this will
have something to do with it.

705
00:40:37,830 --> 00:40:42,030
And I do find what she does is
quite interesting. You know, she

706
00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:45,360
has one day she's was he had a
whole stream of pictures. He was

707
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:49,860
investing in some very light jet
companies, of course, that

708
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:52,530
interests me, she has an
obsession for swimming pool. So

709
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:55,530
every hotel she stays at, she
takes a picture of the swimming

710
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:59,490
pool. I just gotta say, I like
that coming from her. And I

711
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:04,020
think it actually adds to her
business relevance.

712
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:06,900
Just give her a call.

713
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:15,420
She wants to came on to me at
what's the PC forum? I think it

714
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:20,880
was. I just started my company.
So this was 95 I think it's

715
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,220
9596. Maybe I was still at MTV.
Somewhere really smack in the

716
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:29,220
middle of the 90s. And she
invited me come out to PC form

717
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:33,720
that's in where the hell is
John? Arizona? Oh,

718
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:35,520
she moves the Jews in Arizona.
Yeah,

719
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:40,110
yeah, I was in Arizona. And and
I came in a little bit later on

720
00:41:40,110 --> 00:41:42,090
in the evenings. He may be
around nine o'clock. And they

721
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,450
and they always have like a big
welcoming party. This was kind

722
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:48,780
of enlightened, you know, the
ramp up to the to the.com

723
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:52,020
Everyone was joyous. There were
VCs everywhere. And I had never

724
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:56,250
really witnessed anything like
this. And she was a little

725
00:41:56,970 --> 00:42:00,090
inebriated. And she was really
coming on to me it was kind of

726
00:42:00,090 --> 00:42:00,540
weird.

727
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,910
She just hoping it and you know,
she's gonna fall over. She had

728
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:06,570
someone to grab.

729
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,540
Well the reason why is I was
like, I was kind of getting

730
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:12,000
turned on by her. That was the
kind of the weird part about it.

731
00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:17,160
No, maybe she sensed it. Could
be I don't know. I've known

732
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,630
Esther for years. And you know,
she's fine person. I get why one

733
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:22,710
time I accidentally will

734
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:25,320
you do my eulogy? John, please.
I can't. That would be

735
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,410
fantastic. I've known Adam for
years and he's a fine person.

736
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:30,870
Cakes over on the right coffee
on the left.

737
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,240
So I ran into her sit whenever
it's I don't know how many kids

738
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:39,540
are you actually met her dad
who's really charming guy.

739
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:41,910
famous physicist.

740
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:45,720
Oh, that's Ryan. Yeah, he's
super famous Freeman. Freeman.

741
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,340
Nice guy. Funny sense of humour
is a character and very small

742
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:54,960
man. And then one time I met, I
don't know how many other she's

743
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,880
got brothers and sisters. I
never kept up. You know, I'm

744
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,370
like one of those. You know, my
wife's always saying, Did you

745
00:42:59,370 --> 00:43:02,940
ask, ask her about the baby? Did
you see you know, he's not I

746
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:07,080
don't you know, I don't pry. I
don't, you know, basically, self

747
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,510
centeredness about the end of
it. We all know that. So I met.

748
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:14,340
So I met her, one of her sisters
or a sister who's a nurse. And

749
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:16,680
she's actually just so different
than for the rest of everybody

750
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,360
else. There was a bunch of
intellectuals in the family.

751
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,470
She's it's like perky blonde. It
was like that. Yeah, it's

752
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:27,540
totally off the wall. And she
hot. If I remember, right, she's

753
00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:29,790
quite attractive. She may be the
best looking person in the

754
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:30,210
family.

755
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,200
Wow, what's her name?

756
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:35,010
I don't remember. I mean, I
can't even

757
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,819
remember. Maybe Google can
remember John. Let's see Esther.

758
00:43:38,819 --> 00:43:39,869
Actually Wikipedia

759
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:42,540
probably has it in there maybe?
Or is it so it might have I'm

760
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:42,630
not

761
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:45,240
gonna go too. Nice. And Sister,
Esther.

762
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,710
Esther Dyson sister, it probably
be in there. You know, like the

763
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:50,370
Wikipedia.

764
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:55,350
Whenever there's stuff that I
know something about, it's

765
00:43:55,350 --> 00:44:01,680
usually not right. But I do. The
third thing I'll go

766
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,200
I find that kind of inaccuracy
with the History Channel. You

767
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,840
know, I have a degree in
history. And I'm still an

768
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,900
amateur historian and I read a
lot of you know, stuff. Yeah.

769
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:16,020
And the History Channel is often
reflect that we're where did

770
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:17,520
they get this? Yeah.

771
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:20,520
Well, this is this is what I'm
saying. It's like, whatever.

772
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,250
There's something on television
about Amsterdam. Yeah, it's

773
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:27,690
like, Okay, that wasn't really a
representation of what Amsterdam

774
00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:31,920
is like. And it's like, whenever
there's something he knows

775
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,700
something about. It turns out
that the magic box is wrong. So

776
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:37,440
it must be wrong about the other
stuff to

777
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,820
do. So you have to assume you
got to sister.

778
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,930
I said my sister can't find it.

779
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,090
Now she's, you know, not well
publicised I suppose maybe I

780
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:56,700
should try Esther Dyson's on
Esther. II s th er Esther

781
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:02,430
Dyson's hot sister. Maybe
that'll be Let me see if I get

782
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:03,570
any better results from

783
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,370
getting a note from Esther
tomorrow.

784
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:08,790
She doesn't listen to the show.

785
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:13,140
I'm sure she doesn't. Fact. I
don't think anybody who's

786
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,020
important actually listens to
this show mostly people who are

787
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:16,590
bored.

788
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,840
I think you're right. But
there's more of them. That's the

789
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,530
good news.

790
00:45:22,949 --> 00:45:25,109
Yeah, I know, there's a lot of
them. And there is occasional

791
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:27,059
winners out there. I mean, all
the notes we get from people

792
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:31,889
seem to be important. Yeah. Vice
Presidents of finance and all

793
00:45:31,889 --> 00:45:34,949
kinds of other characters. Who
was that the Vice President of

794
00:45:34,949 --> 00:45:39,329
Finance, Vice President of
Finance, some guy really missed

795
00:45:39,329 --> 00:45:39,689
that.

796
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,060
I got some of the voice
comments, but now I'm afraid to

797
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:44,910
play them because they're
probably too long. And I don't

798
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:47,010
know, I don't know. I don't know
if we should play him. I don't

799
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:47,670
know. You know?

800
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:50,850
Well, I know if there you have
you get one that's a real

801
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:52,350
winner, make a note. And then

802
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,820
I have this note with like,
squiggle, squiggle, line arrow.

803
00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:01,200
I can't figure out which one is
good anymore. But there's this.

804
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:05,550
You know, I find that the what I
like the Washington Post, I

805
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:07,800
become really choosy because of
the, you know, all the stuff

806
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,560
that we're talking about. I
know, I don't just read

807
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,620
something from the BBC. If I
have a choice, like on Google

808
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:16,590
News, if I see that there's a
story that the Washington Post

809
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:21,780
is covering it, I'll select them
first. They feel a lot more real

810
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:23,880
to me. What would you say about
them? John?

811
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,320
I like the Washington Post.
Yeah, they do a really good job.

812
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,590
They're credible. They don't
have you know, they're not. So I

813
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:34,590
mean, I think that people The
New York Times are under a lot

814
00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:36,990
of pressure from all the you
know, scammers that have worked

815
00:46:36,990 --> 00:46:40,920
there. And the kind of
orientation now toward more soft

816
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,800
stories and, you know, features
and boring things. And the

817
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,590
Washington Post seems to still
be kind of hardline, and I think

818
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:48,450
they do a lot of good material
there.

819
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,640
You know, what's happening with
me is now that and I know it's,

820
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,240
it's just coming with age, and
just more years under my belt,

821
00:46:54,240 --> 00:47:00,360
but I'm kind of a kid in between
generations, in between today's

822
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,640
generation and your generation,
if I can just put it kind of

823
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,870
that way. And so, you know, I, I
grew up with newspapers, but

824
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:09,180
then it quickly changed to
something else. And I kind of,

825
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:11,970
you know, rode along on the
transition, but I'm really

826
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:17,550
valuing now, understanding how
full of shit and most of the

827
00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:21,060
news is, and I'm really going
out of my way, and this is only

828
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,730
something from the past couple
of years, I'm really going out

829
00:47:23,730 --> 00:47:26,220
of my way. It's like, you know,
I'm not going to pick up any

830
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:28,890
paper, it's going to be the
Financial Times, or, you know,

831
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:30,960
it's gonna, I'm going to look at
the Washington Post. And it's

832
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,330
really become important to me,
and and I hope other people turn

833
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:35,880
on to this, because, for me, of
course, it's too late. And you

834
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,200
know, I can't change my

835
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:40,470
mind more. Yeah, and I, you
know, I can't disagree with any

836
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:42,660
of that. But you should also
mentioned the economist, I think

837
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:44,880
that's an outstanding
publication that seems to get it

838
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,390
together.

839
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,260
I'll have to pick that up.
Because I have honestly, I just

840
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:52,110
haven't read that what I like
about the Financial Times, you

841
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:55,740
know, they have the I guess it's
the what do you call that

842
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:59,040
section that that no one that
there's no byline? It's usually

843
00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:02,040
but it's from the editor or from
the paper from the publisher.

844
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,600
What do you call that part?

845
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:05,430
The Op Ed page, it's

846
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:09,240
not op ed. It just like
editorials? I don't know.

847
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:13,710
Anyway, so it has the Financial
Times logo, if it doesn't

848
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:17,460
matter, but here's their slogan,
without fear and without favour.

849
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,030
I like that. Like, fuck yeah.
And that's how they write

850
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:22,650
without fear. Without favour. I
like it.

851
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,130
You should read the economist
then because I think you'd enjoy

852
00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:26,340
it.

853
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,020
I shall. Anyway. So this is from
the Washington Post. It's a

854
00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:36,300
story about how hackers, and
this is just from today, how

855
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:41,010
hackers have gained access to
the power grids of several

856
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:45,900
countries, and have extorted
money. And in fact, in several

857
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:48,900
instances have actually turned
off the power in the entire

858
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:57,510
country. And this came out at a,
like a security conference for

859
00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:00,690
utility companies. And a CIA
analyst told the story and it

860
00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:03,720
turns out that most people
didn't know about this. And this

861
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,090
is going to be big. I think it's
a huge story.

862
00:49:06,780 --> 00:49:08,760
Yeah, I know what it's breaking.
Now. I'm familiar with this

863
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,020
story. And it's I'd like to get
a little deeper into it. Because

864
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:14,940
I'd like to find out what
exactly are these power

865
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,670
companies doing that leaves
themselves vulnerable? You know,

866
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:21,210
I'm thinking we can certainly
trace which countries and I have

867
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:23,820
a feeling that the Netherlands
might be one of them. So I'm on

868
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:26,580
it. I'm, I'm gonna see if
there's anything to that because

869
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:30,720
we might be able to get in a
deeper but this is just, man,

870
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:34,860
this is just the I think the tip
of the iceberg of of security of

871
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:37,560
systems. It's just happening all
over the place. Of course, not

872
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,700
just with utilities.

873
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:42,720
Well, you know, that seems to be
when you get when I see these

874
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,870
kinds of stories out of the
blue. And I know hackers do a

875
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:48,450
lot of stuff. But every once in
a while when I'm starting to see

876
00:49:48,450 --> 00:49:52,140
it's focused, focused attention
on something that's a security

877
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:54,750
issue. I'm always thinking
there's some security company

878
00:49:54,750 --> 00:49:57,000
behind it saying look, we got
some software, we got some

879
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,640
encryption stuff. nobody's using
it. We can make a lot of money.

880
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,070
There. shut down, you know some
Podunk country in Africa, just

881
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:08,790
shut them down from a distance.
And then you know, six, store

882
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:11,010
them if we can, but whatever the
case is bring it to the

883
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,470
attention of everybody so we can
sell some more products.

884
00:50:13,529 --> 00:50:18,419
So your theory here, which I
like and, of course, you know

885
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:22,169
him all over is not very unlike
my theory about the drug

886
00:50:22,169 --> 00:50:25,289
companies releasing viruses into
the air to sell cold medicine.

887
00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:27,990
Yeah, it's the same sick
thinking.

888
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:32,699
So is it just sick thinking or
is it a reality? Well, you can

889
00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:35,339
buy the book in the foyer, as
Adam and John explain all the

890
00:50:35,339 --> 00:50:38,729
secrets of the grand conspiracy.

891
00:50:39,689 --> 00:50:42,329
A book of great conspiracies. I
mean, there's a lot of them. I

892
00:50:42,329 --> 00:50:44,729
think there's enough of material
on the net that you could

893
00:50:44,729 --> 00:50:47,009
probably put together an
interesting book, but you'd have

894
00:50:47,009 --> 00:50:49,439
to do it. And the problem with
these kinds of steroids are you

895
00:50:49,439 --> 00:50:53,219
can't over you can't overhype
them because you sound like a

896
00:50:53,219 --> 00:50:56,489
complete maniac. If you know
everything you do every time you

897
00:50:56,489 --> 00:50:59,999
turn around. There's somebody's
you know, trying to do something

898
00:50:59,999 --> 00:51:03,089
sneaky, but the fact of the
matter is business in general,

899
00:51:03,479 --> 00:51:06,539
does a lot of sneaky stuff. I
mean, just to be in business,

900
00:51:06,539 --> 00:51:10,049
you have to do some sneaky
things once in a while. And I

901
00:51:10,049 --> 00:51:13,409
mean, you have today's In fact,
it was like the Joker's of

902
00:51:13,439 --> 00:51:16,739
Gizmodo that were turning off
monitors and see Yes, right. Or

903
00:51:16,739 --> 00:51:21,089
some years ago when the IBM had
its work out. And this is Crash

904
00:51:21,089 --> 00:51:24,059
proof. Steve Ballmer, like the
one of the executives at

905
00:51:24,059 --> 00:51:27,029
Microsoft had a disk and he
would go into the IBM booth and

906
00:51:27,029 --> 00:51:29,879
crunch and put the disk and
crash these machines. I mean,

907
00:51:29,879 --> 00:51:36,119
this is kind of like low, you
know, like a, like, low level

908
00:51:36,299 --> 00:51:39,599
thing seems to me, I have a
word, there's a word I'm trying

909
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,279
to come up with that explain how

910
00:51:41,790 --> 00:51:45,780
petty, childish infantile was
actually

911
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:48,150
it was effective. He got a lot
of publicity. It was actually

912
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:51,030
but it was a sneaky thing. It
was not a what I would call

913
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:53,640
legitimate business practice,
and neither would be shutting

914
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,400
down one of these power grids.
And I could see somebody doing

915
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:56,580
it.

916
00:51:57,510 --> 00:52:01,110
Yeah, I'd have to agree. But
that's not the I don't think

917
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:03,090
that's a very interesting book
to write. I'm sure we could

918
00:52:03,090 --> 00:52:04,380
write something more
interesting.

919
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:13,830
Well, I got my notepad out. To
come up with the title.

920
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:17,310
If because if we have the title,
then we don't have to write it

921
00:52:17,340 --> 00:52:18,600
is that the the process

922
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:22,020
seems that seems to be the
current process. I'm working

923
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:26,850
with excellent. triggering
mechanism of thought.

924
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,860
That's a that's deep man and
maybe a bit too deep for me.

925
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,790
I don't even get it. That's how
deep it is.

926
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:40,710
I think my wife is downloading
porn again. The Skype connection

927
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:41,760
is getting a little crunchy.

928
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:48,780
So we got anything else for this
week to regale our fan base

929
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:49,140
with?

930
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:53,909
I don't know, man, I you know, I
think we kind of covered it. In

931
00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:56,849
fact, I think most people
probably dropped off after I

932
00:52:56,849 --> 00:53:02,459
told him I got turned on by
Esther Dyson. So thanks. Think

933
00:53:02,459 --> 00:53:02,849
we're

934
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,690
maybe I think you know, I would
correct I think a lot of you may

935
00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:11,910
have perked up. Odd. Always good
talking with you, John. It's

936
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:12,900
always a pleasure.

937
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:18,450
And with that, we wrap it up and
we'll talk to you again next

938
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:21,540
week, presumably from the same
locations, but you never know.

939
00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:23,670
In the United Kingdom. I'm Adam
curry.

940
00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:28,410
And in sunny Northern California
on a very warm day. I'm John C.

941
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:28,950
Dvorak.

942
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:31,740
And we'll talk again next week
on no agenda.