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Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June
3 2020, to Episode 88. We're

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hitting the hockey stick. Hello,
everybody. time once again for

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your weekly board meeting. I
know I'm sorry, we're working

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overtime a little bit late. But
you know, we did bring the

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scotch. So, and some other
accoutrements. This is where we

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talked about everything
happening at podcast index.org

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the podcast standards and
namespace and of course, we're

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the real creative juices podcast
index dot social. I'm Adam curry

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here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country and in Alabama,

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your private chauffeur of the
namespace roadmap my friend on

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the other end, ladies and
gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones

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accoutrement.

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Yes, well, we're a fancy
boardroom, you see, we have a

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cooter mom and I bought room.

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Did you notice instead of donuts
we have course all

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Yes. With homage croissant avec
homage. Hey, the show is lit.

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This show is. This is so
exciting. What just happened,

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which of course, anyone who's
listened to the podcast has no

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idea what happened. And I don't
know if we can ever recreate the

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excitement that we witnessed the
fact that should have been

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recording I think about it.

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Yeah, the that was also first
first test run of the live pod

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paying notification in detection
in the web hook receiver.

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Wow, that is a horrible way to
explain it.

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Take all the excitement and just
suck every bit of it out.

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What happened was, I started the
live stream. And then I updated

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through sovereign feeds. I
updated the podcast and 2.0

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podcast feed. And I'm we're
looking at the chat room. And

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all around the world. People got
a ping on their phone that said,

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hey, podcasting 2.0 is live. You
click opens up, you start

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listening and the chats right
there. And we literally saw

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people just flow into the chat
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that's that's what happened.
That's what you just said.

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Yeah. That's what I said in the
most boring way possible. Now

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okay, so let me say, let me let
me talk about it. Because

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definitely, the web hook is what
Stephen put into sovereign feed.

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So that's what sovereign feeds
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these days. And so he put in the
web hook feature, where when you

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generate the feed, you can say,
Okay, send it to this server.

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And it sends the feed the XML
for the podcast, feed, it sends

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it through a get request, or a
post or whatever, do a post

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request to the server that you
chose. And then so what what I

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added this week in, Alex helped
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Hive writer set up. So I got
that on the web hook receiver

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server, and this is just a cheap
five bucks server. So I've got

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that on there. So then when they
when the XML for the feed comes

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in, when you send it through
sovereign feeds, it looks for

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pod for status. In the live
item, it looks for the live

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item, it looks for status equals
live. And if he sees that

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attribute, it sends the live pod
pink, so you don't have to do an

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extra step.

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It's Rube Goldberg, only. It's
not with scotch tape. It's

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actually bolted together pretty
solid.

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Yeah, amazing. We actually have
bolts and nuts and, you know,

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like wrenches and stuff. I mean,
this is actually turning into

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real tools here instead of just,
you know, gaffer tape. No, I

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mean, like, I was holding my
breath. But it's just straight

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out word, I got the
notification. So the cool part

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is you, you set up the feed, and
then you just hit Send a use.

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all I had. That's all I had to
do. That's all I had to do.

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And then all the rest of it just
happens. Yeah.

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I mean, we monitored everything.
But yeah. And you know, with for

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years now, we've been doing the
bat signal on no agenda. And

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that's still manual. I'm
literally copy pasting putting

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that into a tweet. This there's
some bot pocket no agenda, I

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think, which used to be the app
is long gone. I don't I think I

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don't know. But the developer
set it up. So if I if only I

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send a tweet and coffee pot, no,
pocket, no agenda, then it fires

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it has some link into these apps
that people still have on their

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phones, and that fires off the
bat signal. But now other people

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have tied shit into it. And and
that's what's cool, because

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anybody can access pod ping.
Anybody could monitor for live

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status. You could do all kinds
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hotel. Yeah, totally. And that's
just the that's just the reason

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code. We'll have one. You can
imagine you started thinking of

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all the stuff you can stack on
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is kind of amazing. But I mean,
like the most exciting thing was

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actually getting a notification
through pod verse. Like, he just

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popped up on my phone. And then
everybody who has pod verse can

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just tap it and you

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saw that you saw them all flow
right into the chat room. It's

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so cool is amazing. Wow, that is
okay that my breath is taken

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away.

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Yes, I know you're, I know
you're listening, hosting

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companies. This, this is what
the future looks like this is

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imagine your UI where your
podcaster customer goes into

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their dashboard. And instead of
publishing a new episode that

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they've already recorded,
there's maybe a little drop down

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there that says go live or
something like that. They change

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their status to live and boom,
all the pod pings go out and

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there's a lot and a live stream
kicks on kicks in. And AK you

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know, Allah squad casts style
clean feed style live stream,

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and boom they're on the air. No,
totally decentralized. Don't

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need YouTube don't need any of
that jazz. It's just all

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they have a question when people
are listening live in PA pod

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verse or curio caster are they
also streaming 100 sets per

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I would think so. Yeah, I'm

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I would think so too. I just
I've never even questioned it

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and just kind of popped up
because it is a different type

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of medium. I have no idea how
there are these apps are

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counting I don't know.

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I don't either. We could you you
could watch the the node

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Yes, I could watch the note but
then I need to purse Oh, there

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it is. Yes. It just glowed green
for me. No.

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So it is where is it?

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Guest so yeah, I guess so. So
unbelievable. And people have

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and and as it turns out, doing
the live day when the podcast is

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lit people love boosting and
they're boosting with vigor

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vigorous boost

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listen to this. Let me see
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to lose the very best like no
lawn ever

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is my real dad to them is my
car.

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I will lose them across the land
boosting car

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Instagram

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Damon DeLorean

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beautiful Pokemon I love it.

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I want more though. I want more
of the chorus boosted grams Dan

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and you could have like boost
boost boosted grams. Really

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dynamite

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either waiting to hit me with
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Someone put it on the podcast
index dot social. I'm like, I

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don't know. I don't know if Dave
is, you know, I'm always

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trolling the local timeline. I'm
not just looking at stuff. This

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is me or people I follow. I look
at everything. Like oh man, I

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hope David hasn't seen this one
yet. No, I didn't see it. And

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it's even worse because like I
want to, I want to really say

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something about it. But I know
if I reply to that. I'm trying

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the same on Twitter. It's like
whenever someone sends me a

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great clip I just hit a like you
know, I don't reply. I don't

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want anyone else to see that is
too good.

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Yeah, that's funny. DeLorean
That's awesome. Yeah, reverse

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boost. We need to reverse this.

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Cool man. Did you see Kevin rook

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in great episode with with Polly
toy?

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Oh, I have not I have not seen
it yet. You haven't listened to

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that episode? No, I have not
really good PLEASE DO what He

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but he tweeted a a chart or
graph from which has sponsored

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by voltage. And it's, it's, it's
like the most beautiful linear

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line you'd ever want to see on a
chart and it's in the end. The

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heading is 7000 plus podcasts on
the Lightning Network. And it's

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a timeline you got Take a look
at my Twitter real quick.

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Oh, yeah, I retweeted it. And
you saw it. There are now 7000

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podcasts on the Lightning
Network with 499 new shows added

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in May. We're not. Where does
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come from?

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That's a hockey stick.

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Where did the chart come from?

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I sponsor about voltage.

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How do they do that? I don't
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trying to get from you for weeks
and voltage as it

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just, I don't have fancy
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This is just amazing. And I was
saying to Tina, I said, Cool.

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Fuck marketing system. This
flywheel spins by itself. So

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the best kind of marketing and
PR Did you did you do it?

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Really? You don't even do this
somebody else does for you. A

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really favorite gun.

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It really is. Man. I love it so
much. I voltage for I guess.

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Yeah, and you're right. It it is
it is literally a hockey stick,

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isn't it? Yeah, it is. That's
like home, like the real

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car. Not the fake.

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This is totally real. It's all
right here. The booster grams

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are coming in. Oh, man. I love
my job.

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Somebody replied to that and
said can you also release music

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podcasts on the network? Oh,
yeah. Heck, yeah, you can.

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Yeah. And I've had several
people call me about that. Who

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have contacts within some of
these. Some of these companies

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and organizations we've been
talking about. So that's that is

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moving forward.

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Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And I
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that it was going to be like,
people were going to respond to

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that because it's just too it's
too juicy of an opportunity to

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be able to throw that out there.
Because people have music and

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that's the thing. Like, I mean,
my my son, you know, he had one

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of the things that cripple the
cripple. Yes, exactly. Yes. The

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credit the invalid. Yeah, he's
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die. So the convalescent that's
what we're calling from now.

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He they're about to record
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like six more songs ready to go.
So they people have music just

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sitting there ready to go? Yeah.
What's in Nina then Janine Allah

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for

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what's nice about these groups,
and I'm talking to one next

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week. You know, they already
have all the bands and

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musicians, they have the
onboarding. And, and it's very

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well understood that I think
these people get like, Okay, we

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have to provide an RSS feed.
Okay. Yeah. Pretty much it you

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know, and it's Spencer. Now,
Who's he? Who's he working with

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on on a reference music app? Was
it just him or he sounds? It

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sounds like he had a whole
consortium he was working with?

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I don't know. It's kind of coy
about it. It's Astor Spencer

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always on the DL? To work on
some top secret stuff. I'm all

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I'm all indeed up, man.

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I want the I want the music
podcast app on your phone. Oh,

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yeah. I want that. I would eat
that up so much. I want to see

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Did you hear? Did you hear the
thing about Spotify? One their

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lawsuit against that company
called Spotify? No,

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I didn't. What's the what's the
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phi is like they're just a
conglomerate of pot

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dispensaries. I'm not sure where
they exist. But so Spotify sued

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him for Trademark Dilution or
whatever in and what evidently,

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one hears me No, this past week.
But I just thought that would be

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a great name for Spencer's music
app. Spotify would have been no,

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not interested in last five
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just speaking of interesting was
that article I heard about it

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that there's some Spotify
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making $18,000 a month and they
just have a white noise or Yeah,

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Pink Noise relaxing white noise?
How does that make an advertiser

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feel?

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I don't know. I mean, what do
you what do you advertise

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pillows? Or?

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I mean, if someone's I mean, I'm
sure that these white noise

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podcasts are not being
interrupted by ads. Should they

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be if the I don't know.

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I guess I'll pre roll. I mean,
it's pretty fired up. But I

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don't I mean, to me, it just
tells you that, that the fact

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that somebody just discovered
this, it says enough, right? It

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tells you all you need to know
about what about podcast

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statistics, and all that nobody
knows what the heck is going on.

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And then two really surprising.
I guess they were announcements.

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But you know, I just listened to
different podcasts. And so

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blueberry is now doing as an ad
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that's what I heard. And yeah,
yeah, I guess they they saw, I

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think, I think everybody's got
something in the worst probably.

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But they they probably saw that
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and, you know, need to let
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theirs in the works too.

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Let me say this about the
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really, it's, I'm really
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heard it work. And it was on pod
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good spot to insert. I don't
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whatever. If there's some marker
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finding that spot for you.

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Yes, that's my understanding.
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it kind of does this, it has a
little too loose music that gets

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mixed in before. So under the
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under kind of the first half a
second of that. And it's the

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same on the way out, so it's not
a jarring cut. Very impressive.

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I like that a lot. Then, I think
it's dynamically splitting up

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the chapters, the chapter
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part two. So there was an

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it's actually interesting
talking about it was actually

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brackets.

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Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Because
actually, because you had an

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interview on pod land. And there
was a part two of your

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interview, but you got to part
two, and then in brackets, part

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two, because there was there was
an insertion there. Everything

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was perfect, except the image
broke on the on these

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dynamically generated chapters.
Otherwise, bravo.

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Did it how did it break? Because
I was looking for that just the

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image broke. Like there was just
no image at all. Yeah, just

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I just got a question mark.
Okay, icon thing,

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because what I was thinking was
this shows for sure that you can

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absolutely do dynamic ad
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the correct timestamps.

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Yeah, I'm not sure about the
transcript. I wasn't following

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along when I knew because I only
kind of noticed that like, oh,

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okay, hold on a second. Now,
here's the thing. I cannot for

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the life of me remember what ads
were there? Because I skipped

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through them.

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I can't either. I know what I
want the first insert the first

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insert seem pretty good. Like
the timing of it seemed pretty

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good. The second insert caught
me like I think it caught me

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like, right in the middle of a
sentence or something. I think I

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paused or something like that.
But no, I think that to me, it

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just it proves that if you care
do it right. Your product you

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can do it right. You can adjust
the timestamps, you can get

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everything right. Anybody who
doesn't do it that way and just

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says oh, well, you can't do
chapters because dynamic ad

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insertion f it up as well
wouldn't know that if you don't

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care it will if you're lazy it
will but if you do it if you do

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it this way, of course know that
a word that does not just proved

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it.

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So when I don't know if this is
up and running fully where that

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but I think we should take a
couple $100 in and promote

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podcasting. 2.0 promote
different apps. Hey, hey, I hope

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you're enjoying this podcast. If
you don't see a boost button,

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you're late. You're late.

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Yeah, get a bigger Paris. Oh,
you got to see my big scissors.

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Yes. And we also got a new a new
piece of art from Sir Pete

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Yeah, the the giant the chances
are

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this this running with scissors
it's become quite the thing.

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Everyone's using the emojis and
it feels good though. It you

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know, that's that's why the last
couple shows we had a lot of

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shit broken. And there's some
frustration I'm sure Stephen B

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was very frustrated. Then we had
a little little fire alarm where

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the feeds that I had generated
the lit tag the live item tags

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with they were breaking on dog
catcher. And I only got reports

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from dog catcher I had no idea
if it was breaking anywhere

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else. And I'm like oh man
because you know I was that was

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that was my running with
scissors like I'll try it on no

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agenda. And we do not have no
agenda and something breaks I

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hear about it.

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Oh yeah, but what what's
interesting though, from that

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experience, is that you only
heard about it from the dog

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catcher thing I don't think you
heard any other breakage No,

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no, but you know when I hear
when I see two then I'm always

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like, oh shit, something's
broken. So I didn't at that

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point I didn't know is isolated
to dog catcher. Nor did I know

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that dog catcher is what they
call a abandonware

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Yeah, yeah. Because that's it. I
was surprised that that even was

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still out there. I had dog
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Oh my gosh, it's probably just
old. It's been around for a long

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time.

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Oh, yeah, it's been 11 or 12
years ago. I haven't. And that's

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been the last time I used it. I
had no idea it was still in the

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only reason. The thing about dog
catcher back in the day that it

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lets you do that, that I don't
think anything else did at the

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time. Was that it let you choose
where to store your mp3 is when

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they were downloaded. You could
put it on the SD card of

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Android.

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Right? Right. Right. Right.
Right. Oh, my goodness. That was

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progress back in the day.

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It was Yeah. But that, I think,
yeah. So we got I put out the

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call to back started. Well, our
resident expert in XML. I mean,

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he literally is like, was on the
XML like committee. So I mean,

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he's, he's the absolute expert
came in he said, No, you're

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doing it fine. There's nothing
wrong with this XML. The problem

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was right.

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And he was just on the on the on
the mastodon, right.

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Yeah, he popped back. Yeah.
Because he, you know, he's, he

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came in and wrote a DTD for us.
Right. Or, I'm sorry, an Excel

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sheet. And design spec. And that
was great. And then so I still

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had his email and I'm like, Hey,
do you mind popping in to give

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some insight? Okay,

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I thought he got the alert as
remastered arm. Okay, I got it.

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Yeah.

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It was awesome. In so he, you
know, it. It's, it was nice to

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see to hear that the the tag is
not problematic. It's, it really

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is a dog catcher. Problem code
issue. Yeah, though, and I'm the

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I don't think it'll ever be
fixed.

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No, the devs threw it right back
at me. Yeah, he's no good.

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I don't know. When's the last
time they had a release when it

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was 2018? Yeah. Once it goes
that long. I mean, it's really

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hard to another release. It's a
goner. Yeah. So I don't know

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what I mean, what does that
mean? I think we still need to,

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I've downloaded an emulator on
my machine. And so my plan is to

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is to load up dog catcher in
there and just throw a bunch of

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live items stuff at it until I
can figure out what exactly it

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is the bread. Yeah,

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it's some kind of Java thing
that's breaking. That's it's

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throwing an exception. But how

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to add a Java array index,
negative one, and you can't do

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negative indexes in Java arrays?

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Well, apparently, I have that
power. If you want a negative

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one, I'll throw one at you. Let
me just press Publish.

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So I don't know what's going on
with that. It's that I'm not

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even I'm still not even
convinced it's a it's a live

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item tag issue. It could be
something completely unrelated.

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And just,

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I mean, it's I don't know if
people subscribed, they pay for

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that or Yeah, seems like
something would be cool to to

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let open up and let people work
on and create some create

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something out of

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Yeah, I do wish that older apps
that are out there abandonware

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would would open their code.
Yeah.

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Speaking of older Yeah, I've
been rockin Linux Mint on on my

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Surface go version one for I
don't know four years now. And I

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just love it. I mean, it's so
fast and finally earlier this

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week, the screen literally came
unglued on one side

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is is your battery swelling? Is
it the battery?

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No, it's just abuse. It's just I
take it everywhere you know when

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you open that kickstand that
puts all kinds of pressure on

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the bench This is the original
version and and so I was like

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okay I'm you know I really love
this device and and I just said

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you know what, I'm just gonna
get the the surface go three.

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And so they've upgraded you
know, a whole bunch of things

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this thing screams reams it's so
fast and I thought they stopped

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making it. Yeah, you can still
get them on Amazon for 400

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bucks. Like this is fantastic
and thanks to the Linux

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unplugged guys I knew all the
things I need to know on how to

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migrate Oh nice. Yeah, I got my
dot files

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I didn't know they still made
the surface go I mean are they

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is it an older unit?

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No. Brand new as beautiful that
you know doesn't have that it's

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completely black it doesn't have
that that ugly Microsoft kind of

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fake faux metal.

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Oh yeah, the vibe to it. Yeah,
the funky material thing Yeah.

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And

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I already had the keyboard cover
so it was pretty cheap

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replacement Alma that thing is
just in the screen real estate

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is bigger even though the the
actual devices same size anyway.

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Just want to say I'm so proud of
myself for the migration. Nice

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in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Let me
see I have, we have a guest

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today in the boardroom. So I'm
gonna bring our guests in in a

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moment. Here's a little data
point for you. Almost every day

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I get the domain name renewal
notices. And they're pretty much

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all on auto renew it until
something pops up. I'm like, and

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I now I started to ask, can I
have 1000s? Then that turns out

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to be a lot of money.

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That's a lot of money.

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That 1000s Hundreds I was 1000s
is not right, hundreds. And it's

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just now it's 14 bucks, 14
bucks, whatever it is. Don't

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worry, please don't email me
telling me I'm paying too much.

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I know. I like DNSimple. I like
those guys. And so this is just

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a little a timeline. I got a one
year renewal notice for fast

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follow dot link dot link. That
was a year ago that we started

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talking about the fast follow?
Yes. Just Yes. Just putting that

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data point out there.

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And you know, that I've been,
I've been thinking about that,

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because I've been pretty, that a
lot of the stuff I've done this

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week has been index API stuff
for various people, that hasn't

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really been anything worth
talking about. And so I've been

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I've been thinking Nina, I've
ended up I go through these

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phases where I get bogged down
in, in sort of back back into

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work, and I don't get any,
anything done on like namespace

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and sort of the more push
forward projects, and one of the

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ones that that I really want to
start working on and pushing

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forward on is the stuff we're
talking about with Nathan

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Gaither, I would essentially
fast follow with the with the

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universal subscribe links. But I
just haven't gotten time to do

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it yet. So we've got FFL like we
gotta get framework to move

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forward now.

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I saw you posted a, an update
about or a clarification of the

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roadmap and how we're gonna how
we're moving forward and you

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clean some of that up? On what I
don't know. I just saw a link a

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post about it. Where I'm gonna
the social.

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Did I post that? Yeah, I thought
you don't know what topic was.

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Was this about? It was

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like I'm cleaning up the
namespace or some shit like

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this. Clean. Oh, I'm sorry. This
is from 2020.

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Yeah, I did back then. Well
done. This Oh, finished.

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So you could finally mark that
done off your to do list.

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Cry with it. You know what I'm
going to do? I'm going to take

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these John's scissors. I'm going
to I'm going to get to take them

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to the engraver. Get Steven
bales name engraved on these. He

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gets the scissor award for the
crates. He goes first for the

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live item tag.

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This is there you go. So it'll
be our very own podcasting 2.0

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awards. And we hand out to
scissors. So this is the scissor

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for podcast of the year this
scissor the scissors for for App

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of the Year this Yeah, of course
this is are for contract, you

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know the feed contributions. I
mean, we can come up with

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everyone wins the prize.
Basically. That's the idea.

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Yeah.

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participation trophy. That's
what it is. Yeah.

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No, it's a value trophy.

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The the scissor award for person
with the best jingle at the end

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of the show. Yeah, well clear.
Clearly named DeLorean she's,

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yep, she is. She's top of the
leaderboard. Man, let's see. Oh,

442
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:54,660
yeah, I just wanted just to make
sure. This was kind of

443
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:58,440
interesting. I think a lot of
people got an email from from

444
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,520
Oscar at fountain.

445
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,300
Yeah, I got it. I got that
email. Yeah, we all got

446
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:08,220
it. And I want to congratulate
Oscar on on on doing this. I

447
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,440
mean, I never would have known
that he does this kind of stuff

448
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,300
where he's thinking that way.
This is obviously a bug

449
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,360
somewhere that fired it off
because the email said, hey, you

450
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,140
know, we noticed that you
stopped using fountain do Would

451
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:24,120
you mind telling us why?
Fantastic. Really, really smart.

452
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:26,070
Now? Of course it is. The bug
sucks.

453
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:28,770
Because you said well, I used it
a minute ago.

454
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,930
Like Hey, dude, you fucker. But
yeah, I was impressed by that.

455
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:36,240
I'd like these things. And

456
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:41,700
speaking of speaking us as
rewards can we give? I would

457
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:48,480
like to put Alex into our split
for this show as gay because he

458
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,270
helped me a bunch this week. And
he has been onboarding a bunch

459
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,260
of people to in a tube to no
agenda to for all this kind of

460
00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:00,780
stuff. So at the end, that's not
cheap. So was Paul's put them in

461
00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:01,350
the split?

462
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:02,220
Definitely.

463
00:30:03,449 --> 00:30:05,009
Yeah, just got his pumpkin

464
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,320
just briefly on this what I
would love for two

465
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:13,530
I have seen Peter said I sent
nudes

466
00:30:16,529 --> 00:30:21,659
so I, you know, I would I'm so
close to be I can onboard people

467
00:30:21,659 --> 00:30:27,749
into no agenda tube. I think we
have all the pieces together.

468
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:32,519
The for video I'm talking
specifically. But even for for

469
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,739
podcast release really for video
specifically, there's no way to

470
00:30:38,699 --> 00:30:41,879
let me see if I'm explaining
this right. For a lot of a lot

471
00:30:41,879 --> 00:30:48,179
of new people managing their,
their podcast wallet in the

472
00:30:48,179 --> 00:30:51,599
fountain app is very desirable.
And I have a feeling that more

473
00:30:52,199 --> 00:30:58,559
apps will be including this
functionality. They also have

474
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,099
some statistics which podcaster
wallet doesn't provide. The

475
00:31:02,099 --> 00:31:08,999
problem is you can't claim a no
agenda tube feed in the fountain

476
00:31:08,999 --> 00:31:13,229
app because the no agenda tube
feeds don't have the owner email

477
00:31:13,379 --> 00:31:19,949
items. Yeah, that's right. So
how do we fix that? And what do

478
00:31:19,949 --> 00:31:26,069
we need to do to make sure that
no agenda tool works as intended

479
00:31:26,069 --> 00:31:28,799
that there's, you know, some of
this web torrent stuff is built

480
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,529
in as well. And we're not all
just sucking on Alex's pipe?

481
00:31:31,739 --> 00:31:33,869
Sorry, for the visual. Yeah.

482
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:38,880
Thanks for that. Yeah, I think
that's, that's really the

483
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,820
biggest thing with na ta right
now is we're just gonna have to

484
00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:47,340
be judicious about, you know,
load loading him up. Because

485
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:51,180
every, every time somebody
throws a big pile of videos on

486
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:54,990
there, it's a direct hit to his
into his wallet. So

487
00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:59,280
can can. Now, I think the
storage is not that much of a

488
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,380
problem from what I've
understood from him. But really,

489
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:04,050
the bandwidth could become a
problem. Is there? Is there a

490
00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:08,280
way that can I set up a server
somewhere that that participates

491
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,130
in the bandwidth sharing? Is
there? Is there anyone it was

492
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,830
the other way around? I thought
it was the bandwidth was not a

493
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:18,330
problem. But the the storage was
better? I'd be wrong about that.

494
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,320
Because I think what he what,
what he does

495
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:25,620
is he needs to he needs to take
splits. I mean, he needs to be

496
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:29,400
creating these, just like an app
should be should you know,

497
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:35,190
somehow he needs to in the feed
creation needs to be able to

498
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:37,800
interact with the podcast or
wallet system. I'm really

499
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,220
talking out of my ass now. But I
I think you know what I'm

500
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:41,730
saying?

501
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Yeah, we'll see he takes a
bigger split. But like when I

502
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,150
set him up when I set people up
with by hand, since they don't

503
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:52,080
have email addresses, and I set
him up by hand. He on the in a

504
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,700
tube side is a 20% split for
him. God because because of that

505
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,980
reason, because of the of the
bandwidth, which

506
00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,940
which which is perfect. But then
once you set up, how can I get

507
00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:06,930
that person to be able to manage
their splits in the fountain

508
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:07,410
app?

509
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:12,750
Oh, in the fantasy that I don't
know. I don't know how to

510
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:17,310
onboard it through that because?
Because Fountain has it needs

511
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:18,540
the email address to work.

512
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,460
Right. And I did get a couple of
bug reports that people on

513
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:27,150
boarded through fountain but
then if the value block wasn't

514
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:31,530
wasn't propagating through to
other apps, is that is that a

515
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:33,690
bug? Do you think? Or is that a
caching issue?

516
00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:34,950
Say that again.

517
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:41,820
So the it popped up on the
breeze feed it telegram where

518
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,830
apps onboarded through fountain.
So that's how they got their

519
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:50,790
podcast or wallet. And that was
working in Fountain but it

520
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:54,510
wasn't showing up in breeze or
any other apps until I guess

521
00:33:54,510 --> 00:34:00,420
later. Is there? Is there some
lag? No, my patient might be a

522
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:00,960
bug.

523
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:03,150
It could have just bent. Yeah,
it could have been some kind of

524
00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:08,010
bug on on the fountain fountain
side because we as soon as the

525
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,780
fountain onboard somebody Oscar
sins the split, right back

526
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:14,700
automated straight back to the
Index. Yeah,

527
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:17,580
I knew was out automated. So
that's why it's Yeah, question

528
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:19,800
is there might be a bug
somewhere or caching?

529
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,850
Could be Yeah, it could be. It
would have to be I would think

530
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,460
because I mean, as soon as it
hits on our side, it's it's in

531
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:29,340
there now. Oh,

532
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,220
I'm almost out of breath. I'm so
excited by all of this stuff.

533
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,350
And then why don't we Why don't
we bring in our guests because

534
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,410
he's been waiting very
patiently. And he got up super

535
00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:40,950
early. We stayed up late so we
could run together with our

536
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:45,390
scissors please welcome
developer owner CEO Big Kahuna

537
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:48,690
of the visie app, which I've
been testing today and I like a

538
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:52,470
lot. Hello, and welcome to the
board meeting. Nick Ivanoff.

539
00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:54,660
Good evening, guys.

540
00:34:54,779 --> 00:34:56,909
Did I say that right Nick? Is it
Ivanoff?

541
00:34:57,839 --> 00:34:59,039
It is Ivanoff Yes.

542
00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:02,100
Okay. Now This is really
interesting. Welcome, Matt,

543
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,880
you're you're in Australia, you
have kind of like an Eastern

544
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,780
European sounding name, but your
accent I can't quite place in

545
00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:10,830
either of those.

546
00:35:13,139 --> 00:35:17,609
It's it's such a good question.
And the accent is the bit that

547
00:35:17,609 --> 00:35:19,529
always comes through and people
can place it. They're like,

548
00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:23,219
where are you from? And it's
100% True. My name's Eastern

549
00:35:23,219 --> 00:35:27,569
European. I was born in
Bulgaria, in Eastern Europe, I

550
00:35:27,569 --> 00:35:29,519
ended up growing up in South
Africa.

551
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:33,780
That's what I thought it was
South Africa. There you go

552
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:35,130
straight to Africans.

553
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,060
Just a hint. I come brought up.
Yeah. Ben

554
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,780
occludin. Nadler on to explain
NATO loans.

555
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,770
Oh, no. Yeah, no, it doesn't
transfer as good when I

556
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:51,420
know, I know. I know. But I've
spoken to so many South

557
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:54,750
Afrikaners now that I can I can
certainly understand what you're

558
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:58,950
saying. It's really interesting.
Okay, so Wow, well, at least

559
00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,440
you're not rushing, we should
not rush and man, you know, your

560
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,740
app would be taken right off all
app stores. That will be

561
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:09,720
horrible. deplatforming will be
really sucked. Well, this is so.

562
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,160
So this visie app, then. And
I'll just intro because Dave,

563
00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:17,370
sent out the invite. I was not
familiar with the app.

564
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,210
And we talked about it a long
time ago. Yeah, it's been it's

565
00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:24,270
been? Well, it's been about
three, three months ago, or

566
00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:25,140
something like that. Yeah,

567
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:27,750
this was a very informative,
this was a very enjoyable

568
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:30,480
experience. You know, I'm, I'm
always the guy that's looking

569
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,320
for Please, can we do something
different. And of course, every

570
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,800
app is completely different. But
this was so wildly different,

571
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,820
because the whole pitch is, hey,
you're gonna find and this is

572
00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:44,550
pretty much the the dream, I
think that everyone is talking

573
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,840
about. And it kind of works in
this case, where you come into

574
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,660
this app, not into your standard
library view, but into a

575
00:36:54,660 --> 00:37:01,050
discovery view, which includes
disease wishes, man, I had so

576
00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:03,570
many dirty things going through
my mind with that name, I love

577
00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:06,630
it. I just, I just want to make
an app with jerseys. But anyway,

578
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:10,800
so there's VCs. And you can
share those you can follow

579
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,240
people, which is analogous to a
lot of the clips and sharing.

580
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,380
But the whole premise is really
a discovery. And I mentioned

581
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,350
this to my wife. And she said,
That's interesting, because that

582
00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:25,680
would be I didn't give her any
more prompting, I'll see if she

583
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,730
installs it. I think there is a
need for this type of immediate

584
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:31,350
discovery type app.

585
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:38,760
Yeah, yeah. And it's a great,
it's a great way to introduce it

586
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,940
into into the discovery screen.
And I think what you find is,

587
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:47,130
we, even when I thought about
it, initially, really approach

588
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,830
the problem from the listener
side. So when you open the app,

589
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:53,370
you can see that it comes at you
with exactly what you kind of

590
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:57,300
want from a podcast, app
discovery. And if there is visie

591
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,350
thing, what is this new thing?
It's right at the top. Yeah, you

592
00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:02,910
can get started and look through
it.

593
00:38:03,089 --> 00:38:05,519
And you know, everyone should
take a look and see see what I

594
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,889
mean. But it's such a, it's like
an upside down approach where

595
00:38:10,889 --> 00:38:15,479
everybody has, you know, the
standard app view is okay,

596
00:38:15,479 --> 00:38:19,469
here's your pot, here's your
subscriptions, etc. But this,

597
00:38:19,469 --> 00:38:23,279
this really drops you into, into
something completely different

598
00:38:23,279 --> 00:38:26,219
right from the get go. And
that's what we're that's what's

599
00:38:26,219 --> 00:38:29,669
so super, it's not like a
revolutionary idea. But instead

600
00:38:29,669 --> 00:38:34,799
of making the clip sharing
subjugated to the functionality

601
00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:37,799
and discovery, it's kind of days
for you. It's really more

602
00:38:37,799 --> 00:38:39,569
upfront. I know, Dave, what do
you think?

603
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,850
Yeah, no, I came over. I came at
it from the, from a from a

604
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:48,600
different sort of standpoint,
because, Nick, I had never seen

605
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,390
the app before I talked to Nick
one day and him and his

606
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,090
partners. Forgive me, Nick, I
don't remember their name.

607
00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:59,520
Names. But we, you know, he was
they were sort of showing me the

608
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,660
whole their whole idea from it.
And I was I just got so hyper

609
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:08,130
focused on the like, the chapter
aspect or these markers within

610
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:15,300
the within the show. And like
that, that where you can like

611
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:17,460
Insert Stuff. Do you want to
talk about that, Nick, where

612
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,670
it's like, yep, this because
there was a debt. There's a

613
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,720
dashboard, and some other and
some other stuff that I don't

614
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,480
remember how to access? Do you
want to let go? Like, talk a

615
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,560
little bit how that works?

616
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:33,030
Absolutely. So it's a great way
to talk about because you're

617
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:36,690
tackling both ends of the
platform. So we built the app as

618
00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050
an output. And if you go into a
visit, you'll see that there's

619
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,890
images there screens of the
change, they're time stamped to

620
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:49,260
the audio. And then what we
showed you was the back end,

621
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:51,870
which is how you create that
experience, which is why it's

622
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,450
right in front of the app saying
hey, there's another way to do

623
00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:59,700
this. We're trying something
new. Try it so you can see it

624
00:39:59,850 --> 00:40:03,900
out. And, straightaway, so the
back end of the platform, every

625
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,320
image is essentially a chapter
and enriched chapter, which is

626
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:14,460
time stamped to the mp3. So the
podcaster, or producer would go

627
00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:19,470
and claim their podcast, app dot
visit or FM. And in there will

628
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:22,800
be their feed already. And they
can create these chapters and

629
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,920
attach images. And also
interactions. If you have a play

630
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,190
around with the top bar, which
looks consistent on each page.

631
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:32,670
They can do interactions where
it links through to the internet

632
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:34,170
directly from the player screen.

633
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:39,120
Yeah, so it's like it's it's
like a rich chapter editor. But

634
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,990
then there's also I think, tell
me if I remember this right

635
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:46,710
there, because your way the
folk, I think what your focus

636
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:52,380
was, or at least part of it was
being able to have a better ad

637
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:58,290
advertising. I guess not
experienced, but like, there are

638
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:01,500
maybe that is right, I better
like have ads that actually do

639
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,010
something and are better than
just like a, like a display.

640
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:11,100
Exactly. So I mean, this is this
is our proof of concept. So we

641
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:15,210
can put it in front of people
and have them see it. You guys

642
00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:18,210
saw it and you enjoyed it. So
our next move is to open that

643
00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:20,160
up, which is why I'm so excited
to speak to you guys. Because

644
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,810
this is the probably the central
place in open podcasting to talk

645
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:25,140
about

646
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:29,280
how Yeah, hell yes, actually,
the board meeting, there's no

647
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,180
doubt about it

648
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:34,170
sucks. I'm just I'm just happy
to be and this is my my first

649
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:36,630
appearance on a on a podcast,
writing.

650
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:41,970
Are you doing very well, you're
like nothing, bro. Yes, perfect.

651
00:41:42,270 --> 00:41:46,500
Thank you. So the next step is
okay, the listeners always say

652
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:51,060
the same thing. How do I get my
show on here? The podcast is in

653
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,820
the hosting companies have, you
know, their own twist on it. So

654
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,020
our next steps are opening it
up. So we would like the editing

655
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,450
process in the back end. And
it's been described as an

656
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,320
authoring tool to make it really
simple and easy so that people

657
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,190
actually use it. So we get more
adoption on chapters, and then

658
00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:12,630
work with others that want to
stay in the open and unrolled

659
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:18,570
garden systems to be able to
drop smart or interactive ads.

660
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,850
So if you are going to have a
pretty good experience, like in

661
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,690
Buzzsprout, where they've done a
great job of writing finding the

662
00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:27,570
right place. And you know,
they've, it's very clever to

663
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:29,760
have a jingle, right? Because
your mind goes well, okay, this

664
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,310
is an ad, I know what this is.
Would it be nice if there was

665
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,920
also a visual and a call to
action? So we're working on a

666
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,540
way to get that into the
platform. Now?

667
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,220
Are these these chapters? Are
they the same? Do they fit in

668
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:46,020
the same form as a 2.0 chapters,
I'm a little lost on this.

669
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:51,840
Currently, no, currently, they
they are directly output it to

670
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,190
our output we're engineering
through now is actually creating

671
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:59,610
the process one step further.
Because currently, it's attached

672
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:05,220
to the feed. So version two will
be paid bringing your mp3, drop

673
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:10,530
it into the system, chapters,
markers, images or links you

674
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:13,800
want. And we will output a bunch
of stuff that you can use. So

675
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,120
we'll output an mp3 which has
been enriched, that works in the

676
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,250
open system, as well as the JSON
that you can use to

677
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,370
podcast. Nice, nice. And

678
00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:25,890
mp4. If you want to go to
YouTube, you decide where you

679
00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:29,640
want to go. We even want to
build a web player with the

680
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,080
chapters and the images inside
it. So you can use that too if

681
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,490
you just want to roll on the
desktop.

682
00:43:35,549 --> 00:43:40,379
So interesting how how you're
going to eat

683
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:45,900
in which since you've been feed,

684
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,790
do you have any way? Do you have
a way of making money doing this

685
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:56,310
monetizing? Oh, there's a use
the monetize word. monetize?

686
00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:59,700
Good. First try. You're a newbie
to podcasting. But we'll let you

687
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:01,290
slide.

688
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:05,310
I'm a newbie, I have to be one
foot in the startup ecosystem to

689
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:10,860
so that's a famous, right,
you're monetizing? What's your

690
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:15,270
financial model look like? Yeah,
really? Look, there's a few

691
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:19,800
ways, you know, direct
subscription for people to use

692
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,370
the platform we're trying to
think about and what you guys

693
00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:27,420
touched upon it earlier. And I
think I think keeping podcasting

694
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:32,010
open really working together is
a big deal. And I think some of

695
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:35,430
the hosting platforms could also
benefit from differentiating

696
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:40,140
themselves and allowing a really
easy, clean way to provide

697
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:43,200
enriched chapters that work
across different platforms

698
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:47,250
to let external tools also be
used within their publishing

699
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:47,760
system.

700
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,940
Exactly. You know, Dave said
earlier, right? He goes, Why

701
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,010
can't we have this is the user
experience, you have a drop

702
00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:57,330
down, it's in the home that
you're used to use it from

703
00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:00,450
within that dashboard. Like that
will be really powerful. awful.

704
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,890
And it'll help us reach that.
What is it 11% of podcasts using

705
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:08,070
chapters? You know, let's get it
to like 40. What would that is

706
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:09,360
it really? 11%?

707
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,370
Isn't that 11%? That can't be
true.

708
00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:13,920
I think it was. I think it was
11.

709
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:17,970
Relieve. That seems?

710
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:22,170
Yeah, I think it's lower than
nine that that's even

711
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:22,920
lower than that.

712
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,490
I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious
of that number.

713
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,510
Don't trust anything. I don't
trust anybody anything. And the

714
00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,820
hunter lab Hunter Biden laptop
was real.

715
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:37,620
It was? Yeah, I don't I don't
think that. Like, I think the

716
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:41,310
one I heard was 1%. Like one one
and a half percent or something.

717
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,430
I don't know. That seems oddly
low to

718
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,200
too low. That's also too high.
You know, I had I had, this is

719
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,160
very interesting. Today, I had a
conversation with a Dutch

720
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,030
developer. And he's created a
system. He's also one foot in

721
00:45:57,030 --> 00:46:00,930
the startup ecosystem. And he's
also looking at, well, he

722
00:46:00,930 --> 00:46:05,490
actually had it like an SEO
tool, where he was he says, I'll

723
00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:11,580
take, you literally ingest the
mp3. It does a transcript. But

724
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:16,320
then he did build all this AI.
So you can cross reference all

725
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,210
of these different podcasts and
come up with ideal podcasts for

726
00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:25,080
Unilever to advertise on. And I
liked it, not for the

727
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,570
advertising part. But I said,
Wow, what a great tool. That

728
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,710
would be if if someone's just
looking for something that was

729
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:35,280
said on podcasting 2.0 You type
it in, you get a bunch of

730
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,580
episodes, you get some other
episodes that reference it or

731
00:46:38,610 --> 00:46:41,940
from different podcasts. And
you're literally just clicking

732
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:45,600
around on timestamps, and
there's a little editor in there

733
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,570
for you to make a clip or a
visie. You know, there should be

734
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:52,620
additional CI is an open
standard for clip. My God, have

735
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:55,020
we ever thought of that we ever
thought of something like that?

736
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:59,790
Yeah. So so the idea that that
open, and that that companies

737
00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:03,900
can start using external tools.
And I mean, this is this

738
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,860
something it started with hyper
capture for me. Now hyper

739
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,370
capture, you can tap on the
podcast while it's playing, and

740
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,710
you can create a chapter mark,
and they also have a back end

741
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:18,600
studio. And you know, Dave Nolan
was probably the first to do

742
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,530
this. And now he's revamping and
just seems like there's there's

743
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,910
already a rich ecosystem of
tools out there. Through the

744
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:29,880
podcast standards in the
namespace, we should be able to

745
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,370
allow people to cook into each
other.

746
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:40,320
So Steven B, is what he sent a
boost he just boosting said 2222

747
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,720
says and he says what tech stack
is visa using? Oh,

748
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:49,290
the engineering so I'm, I'm
somewhere in the in the middle.

749
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:54,570
between you guys. Well, I'm not
an engineer. So it'd be best

750
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,860
we didn't. We don't have the
right guy. The right guy on the

751
00:47:58,860 --> 00:47:59,640
wrong the wrong.

752
00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,660
Just just those words just
doesn't buzzwords.

753
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:13,620
buzzwords, what are we? Amazon
s3 bucket. What do we have for

754
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:14,730
the app React Native?

755
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:19,110
Yes. Okay, for React now.

756
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:23,190
Feels real good. React Native
feels real good.

757
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:30,960
Yeah, it is like, so what was it
though? What was it about the

758
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,250
editor? Because I've tried to
find, I think you just showed it

759
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:39,000
to me, I don't think I actually
could access it. Because I went

760
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,870
and went back to try to look at
it again. What was it about the

761
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,450
app, you had some special things
with ads, they were able to,

762
00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:54,990
you're able to do something with
with tracking how the links work

763
00:48:54,990 --> 00:48:57,720
or something like that was
refresh my memory.

764
00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:02,700
So currently, obviously, we have
the capability to track

765
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:08,280
everything that happens on the
app. And as we build it to be

766
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,070
distributed in more places, we
would also be able to track so

767
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:15,870
the the idea behind it is we're
we're also preparing our API to

768
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:19,140
be open so that we can use it
across different ecosystems. I

769
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,230
mean, the alternate enclosure is
something very similar that I'm

770
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,380
very interested in, in in
podcasting 2.0, which is, hey,

771
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:29,940
can we display something like a
visie outside of the visie app,

772
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:33,390
but if it is displayed, then we
would still be collecting data,

773
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,360
for example, if you're talking
about something you can purchase

774
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,380
on Amazon, as Adam was earlier,
and you actually displayed that

775
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,050
on this screen because you use
the rich chapter that you

776
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,340
created in in the portal, right
and then there was a button on

777
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:49,950
which people clicked and they
ended up buying something that

778
00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,210
will be attribution. Oh, that's

779
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:54,000
what it was. So that's our Yeah,
that's what it was

780
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,880
like, like, like automated
affiliate sales.

781
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Literally, so they There's this
other missing piece and, and

782
00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:06,390
it's two ends of the spectrum,
you guys dealing with the value

783
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:09,300
for value. And I'm educating
myself on it. I've got the

784
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,000
engineers reading about it. But
then there's this other side of

785
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,540
podcasting where, and again,
these numbers we have to take

786
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:18,360
into consideration. They keep
changing, but I think they're

787
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,870
roughly correct. 60% of people
are said in a survey, to have

788
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:27,630
gone looking for things that
they heard about in podcasts,

789
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:29,820
which kind of feels right,
because I do it. You know, it's

790
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:33,180
one of the things that gave
visie birth is, I want to stop

791
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:35,460
Googling, I want it to be right
here in front of me when I need

792
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:39,300
it right. Now, if we're
approaching 500 million people

793
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:42,240
give or take listening to at
least one episode per month.

794
00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:45,780
That is a lot of revenue
generated across the internet,

795
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,650
but it's not associated with the
podcasters know, right. How do

796
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:51,990
we bring it back in the
ecosystem? You know, if you

797
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,080
didn't do the the funnel, the
you know, the finance stuff, 1%

798
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,980
of them by something, it's worth
$30. You know, that's a billion

799
00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:02,970
dollars almost generated from
podcasting. There is no way

800
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:06,120
attributed back. So we're
tackling this part of the system

801
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,760
of pay, how do we empower the
creators to actually get some of

802
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,030
the revenue of the sales that
they are generating anyways?

803
00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:17,640
Yeah, so that's a

804
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:20,340
big focus of the portal. Yeah.
Yeah. I

805
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:23,880
mean, I clearly bought these
gigantic scissors.

806
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,540
Scissors. Yeah. And everybody
wants their own personal pair.

807
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:31,830
I'd be tapping away.

808
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,100
Yeah, I should. I should get
begin affiliate kickbacks for

809
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,210
this stuff, man. If you're

810
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:38,790
if you're if you haven't, if you
have CarPlay. Right now, you're

811
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:41,100
seeing scissors on your screen?
That's right.

812
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:42,630
Thanks. Right. And that's

813
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:45,720
another thing, you know, we're
moving, you know, cars are about

814
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,170
to be autonomous and they have
big screens, why not? Home

815
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,110
speakers have screens, you know,
there's a little bit more, I

816
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:54,750
think, I think podcasting could
have a little bit more.

817
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920
Something that's just a bit more
than audio a little bit less

818
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,250
than video, we get into that.
And not everyone can afford an

819
00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:05,640
amazing production team. But if
you can create your own visuals,

820
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120
you're kind of halfway there
without the studio and in the

821
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,410
editing skills. So hopefully,
you know, it's

822
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,010
if you don't mind me asking, do
you have investors? Is that are

823
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:19,410
you financing these yourself? Do
you have day jobs?

824
00:52:20,339 --> 00:52:22,829
Oh, man, so I quit my day job,

825
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:26,790
adulation. Nothing like

826
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:30,390
nothing. And I'm talking like
seven months ago since I last

827
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:39,690
got any income. No investors. So
far, we've used our money to

828
00:52:39,690 --> 00:52:43,590
this point, and it's yeah, it's
been an expensive adventure so

829
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:45,720
far, but well worth it. Well
worth it.

830
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,090
What's your background?

831
00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:54,450
My background, so I come from my
backgrounds probably as mixed up

832
00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:58,830
as my upbringing, which is being
obviously wonderful, but like

833
00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:05,010
from so many places, so I went
to school for biology, and

834
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:09,450
pharmacy, and then decided
that's not really my path.

835
00:53:09,509 --> 00:53:12,929
I went to school for pharmacy as
well. Interestingly enough, just

836
00:53:13,019 --> 00:53:17,939
different different paths,
different paths, but better

837
00:53:17,939 --> 00:53:19,289
living through medicine, baby.

838
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:24,960
It is. But I decided maybe not
the best way to earn good money.

839
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,950
So I got out and I worked for
FinTech in a in FinTech for

840
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:37,440
seven years. And then exited out
2021 After an amazing Ron, but I

841
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,590
decided, you know, I need to I
need to do something else. And

842
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:43,650
unlike all my other brethren
that came out of FinTech and

843
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:46,560
went to payments or buy now pay
later, I decided to go for

844
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,350
something I'm really passionate
about. And you said it earlier,

845
00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:54,030
you know, it's changes. I'm just
looking more so than anything

846
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:58,530
else to help change. And I think
podcasting is just so huge, and

847
00:53:58,530 --> 00:54:02,280
it will become so much bigger,
right? And we've got this, if we

848
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,250
go back to the start and
obviously, Adam, you were there.

849
00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,430
But right, we had iPods and I've
listened to a podcast and an

850
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:12,360
iPod is now discontinued. I've
listened to a lot of podcasts on

851
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,440
iPod Touch. Also discontinued.
Yep. Now it's all iPhones and

852
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,110
smartphones. But if you look at
the player screen, it hasn't

853
00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:22,740
really changed. Correct. It's
the same thing. It's like a

854
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:28,860
cassette deck, Play, Pause. fast
forward and rewind. You know,

855
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:33,120
yeah, like, Hey, I've seen this
somewhere before. Yep. And it's,

856
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,360
it's essentially, what I would
like to say the commercial side

857
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,260
is on the most valuable real
estate in the world is correct,

858
00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:41,370
but it's a cassette deck.

859
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,020
Correct. Which is why we're so
proud of our our boost button,

860
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,650
being front and center as a way
for people to support what

861
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:52,920
they're listening to at that
moment. I mean, that that, would

862
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:58,710
that. I mean, that wasn't even
planned. She just happened. And

863
00:54:58,710 --> 00:55:01,920
then you know, confetti And, and
all this other stuff. And that's

864
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,590
also a part of the open
ecosystems, you get all this

865
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,430
creativity and, and you know, a
lot of stuff falls by the

866
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:11,280
wayside and a lot of stuff
sticks a lot of stupid stuff

867
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,990
like scissors, but it's ours.
Right. And, and and I think that

868
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:18,960
translates through to the work
that developers do it. It's it

869
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:23,550
to me, I'm not a developer, you
aren't either. But it's, it

870
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:26,580
gives everybody the chance to be
really creative and provide

871
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:29,880
input. Even if you're not
actually coding or doing

872
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,060
graphics or UX or UI. Everybody
can have a say in it. It's

873
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:33,810
really nice.

874
00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:38,040
Correct, correct. And what you
guys are doing, it's incredible

875
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,380
it is it is a step forward in
the journey. That's why I want

876
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:44,550
to be in touch be taught by you
guys and support the system as

877
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,370
well. But you know, you're
crossing the boundaries as well.

878
00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:50,130
People are always trying to
define podcasting. What is it?

879
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,400
Oh, it has to be recorded. And
well, no, you guys have found a

880
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,490
way to make it also life and it
becomes an experience and part

881
00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,640
of people's rituals and
ceremonies. Oh,

882
00:56:00,030 --> 00:56:06,840
nice. callback. Nice callback. I
got a lot of good comments. Pod

883
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,730
sage on your, on your little
soliloquy there on the last

884
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:17,940
episode about not rituals,
ceremony, and tradition and

885
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:20,730
stuff like that. That hit home
with a lot of people.

886
00:56:21,330 --> 00:56:23,310
At least somebody did. I got
zero feedback.

887
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,930
I had to drag it out of it. But
they admitted it finally,

888
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:33,840
direct all your feedback to me
through Adam, please. Yeah.

889
00:56:34,860 --> 00:56:43,470
Cool. What? So you clearly have
podcasting 2.0 designs in mind.

890
00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:49,560
And like, what, what do you see?
For visie? Like, how, what are

891
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,530
you? You're using the index,
you're using the API, the

892
00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:56,250
podcast API. But as far as
podcasting 2.0 features clearly

893
00:56:56,250 --> 00:57:00,240
chapters makes a lot of sense.
What else do you think makes

894
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,180
sense for an app like visie?
Going forward?

895
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:10,500
A good question. And I sat down.
So the sound bites is really

896
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,370
important, we have a very clean
snip feature inside the app. So

897
00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:18,630
you can share five seconds, you
can share two minutes, just the

898
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:20,910
bit you're interested in. And it
comes across with the visual,

899
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,400
which is quite nice. Again,
that's a small thing. It's like

900
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:26,850
a little celebration at the end
of a boost. But when you share

901
00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:29,760
it with the visual people click,
they enjoy it. So the sound

902
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120
bites, very interested, very
interested in transcripts, and

903
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,310
very interested in trying to use
our back end to maybe even take

904
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:41,010
those transcripts and make them
into really good visuals, so

905
00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:44,940
that we can have the same
experiences playing a podcast,

906
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:48,240
if you're hard of hearing, it's
hard to enjoy a podcast, you can

907
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,090
read the transcript. But if you
can read digested into little

908
00:57:51,090 --> 00:57:53,820
slides, then you can still have
the same experience. You pull

909
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:57,840
out your phone, you press play,
and it'll start going. Almost

910
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,230
like captures in real time.
Right? So we're very interested

911
00:58:01,230 --> 00:58:01,830
in using that.

912
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:06,870
Not just that a lot of people
who are not native English

913
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:11,280
speakers enjoy it immensely. To
read along with what they're

914
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,910
hearing. And so making that a
different visual experience

915
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:15,540
perfect.

916
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:20,880
Absolutely. And as natural
language processing gets better,

917
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,300
you should be able to have real
time translation captions. So

918
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,320
then there's no borders in where
the podcasts coming from, which

919
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,410
is

920
00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:34,320
the dreams and dream. Yes. And
my podcast Apple order my milk

921
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,790
when I'm running out, I cannot
wait. The Dream babies the

922
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:39,270
dream?

923
00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:42,930
I'm not sure we're gonna manage
to turn it into a super app, not

924
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:46,260
pre funding, depending on our
first round, if we can.

925
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:50,580
Obviously, the funding is really
important. And I think the more

926
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:54,600
the merrier. We're not trying to
replace ads. I think the

927
00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:59,370
podcasts you choose. If they
want ads, they can keep the ads

928
00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:02,730
if they don't want to, and they
can do it through commerce and

929
00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:04,920
through links. That's great for
them. But the funding and the

930
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,820
booster grams are important. And
the last thing we're really

931
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:11,070
interested in obviously we're
interested in all of them is the

932
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,940
alternate enclosures. Because
you know you could have video

933
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:18,330
you can have a visie it just
gives a lot more creative,

934
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:21,210
creative flex, to have that
available to

935
00:59:21,509 --> 00:59:27,029
create a flex, creative flex,
creator flex, is that what you

936
00:59:27,029 --> 00:59:28,439
said creator flex,

937
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,530
creative, flex, flex, okay,

938
00:59:31,529 --> 00:59:34,529
I'm always looking for a good
title, creative flex,

939
00:59:35,129 --> 00:59:38,459
creative flex, because it's hard
right? If you're publishing a

940
00:59:38,459 --> 00:59:42,059
podcast now, according to your
guys's stats think this 4.8

941
00:59:42,059 --> 00:59:45,299
million at the moment is hard to
differentiate. So giving you

942
00:59:45,299 --> 00:59:48,389
more tools, hopefully we'll have
that help that along.

943
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:51,210
With were you What do you think?
Go ahead.

944
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,940
Are you going to? Or do you
think you're going to do a web

945
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:58,380
app at any point? Are you pretty
committed to native apps on the

946
00:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,970
different on the two different
platforms?

947
01:00:02,490 --> 01:00:06,060
Fantastic question we do, we
definitely want to do a web

948
01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:09,990
player app that has the same
experience. So currently, we

949
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:12,960
have a web player, you don't
need the app to listen to it,

950
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,570
you can just press play. But we
want to bring in that experience

951
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:18,330
where you can scroll through the
carousel independently of the

952
01:00:18,330 --> 01:00:22,740
audio, and also interact with
the buttons. We haven't thought

953
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:27,510
about a full player on a web
app, certainly put it on the

954
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:30,690
roadmap, there will probably be
a product question getting a

955
01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,440
little bit of feedback and
thinking, are people going to

956
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,220
use it? Do they have a
requirement for it? In saying

957
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:41,760
that there is some research? I
think that came out of pod news,

958
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,770
that desktop listening is
increasing? So the increasing

959
01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:48,900
use case for that increasing?
Yes,

960
01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:52,260
really? Yeah, that's an issue
because we, we talk a lot about

961
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:57,960
that share of the, the stats
around female podcast listeners,

962
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,320
they listened tend to listen a
lot on the web. But that's, it's

963
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,140
interesting that that would that
the web percentage would be in

964
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:09,360
would be increasing. I don't
know if he knows funny. I think

965
01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:13,380
that is I'm pulling this
completely out of my butt. I

966
01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:18,000
have no idea if this is true or
not. But it's just I feel like

967
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,750
the web is having a little bit
of a resurgence. I mean, I

968
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:26,790
agree. You know, it's not, Nate.
And I would say native apps are

969
01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:30,450
still, they're still super
important. They're still they

970
01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:36,420
still feel better on a mobile
platform. But I find myself more

971
01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:40,260
and more dissatisfied with being
in front of a tiny screen. If I

972
01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:44,160
want to get any real work done,
I really just longed to be in

973
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,140
front of a decent sized screen
with a full fledged computer.

974
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,120
And once you're there, I mean,
you really want to be able to

975
01:01:54,120 --> 01:02:01,170
listen, or interact. I mean,
because perfect example. I've

976
01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:05,640
been trying to get some stuff
learned on the guitar, but

977
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,390
trying to learn a couple of
songs, and going through some

978
01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:13,830
lessons on a couple of things
with pick technique. And it just

979
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:17,670
the other night, it just drove
me nuts, I had to just put down

980
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:20,640
the phone because I'm sitting
there on the couch, with with

981
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640
the guitar and and with the
phone trying to prop it up

982
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,890
against everything. And I was
like, Screw this, and I just

983
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,530
walked over to the computer, a
computer sat down in front of it

984
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:33,150
at the desk. And now I have a
huge nice screen, good speakers.

985
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:38,220
I can watch the guy join this
pig technique. I'm comfortable.

986
01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:42,240
It was like, Ah, just this
breath of fresh air getting away

987
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,250
from the stupid mobile screen.
And like I think sometimes, and

988
01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:51,360
especially the like, people are
fond of saying that, you know,

989
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,610
oh, when people listen to
podcasts, nobody looks at their

990
01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:57,360
phone while they're listening to
a podcast. Well, I mean, I find

991
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,210
myself looking at the phone more
and more now that there's a

992
01:03:00,210 --> 01:03:03,480
reason to with podcasting 2.0
chapters and all these kinds of

993
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:09,480
things. And I find that you've
combined combine all that into a

994
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,330
really good web experience for
podcasting. I think it can go

995
01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:17,850
really far and do a lot. I mean,
we've already seen it with

996
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,700
curio, gastropod Vers, pod
friend. These are, these are

997
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:28,140
apps that have a really high
quality web experience. And I

998
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:32,040
think I think that's bringing
people back to to see how good

999
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:32,880
web can be.

1000
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:37,770
You know, I've been using web
apps almost exclusively for

1001
01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:43,770
years now. I mean, I use I use
apps, but I love the web. I my

1002
01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:49,080
email was rain loop, which is
part of next cloud. That's a web

1003
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,110
app. And you know, I love web
apps that also desktop apps

1004
01:03:52,110 --> 01:03:55,590
like, curio caster, it's kind
of, I don't know, it works for

1005
01:03:55,590 --> 01:03:58,440
me, because the mobile
experience is good. And the

1006
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,930
desktop experience is literally
expanded.

1007
01:04:01,890 --> 01:04:05,370
I saw an app, another app this
week, somebody showed me an app

1008
01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:12,420
in private. And it was a web
first app. And clear, like

1009
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:17,100
designed from the ground up web
first. And that takes that takes

1010
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,460
some balls. I mean, like to do
to do that in this day and age

1011
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:24,690
is to say, Okay, we're gonna go
web first and then native app,

1012
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,290
is Latinos an afterthought
because you're it's a risk. It's

1013
01:04:28,290 --> 01:04:30,360
a monad. It's a it's a financial
risk, you know,

1014
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,710
that's a big move.

1015
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:37,110
Yeah, it is. But but you know, I
guess, I guess if, if the shares

1016
01:04:37,110 --> 01:04:41,760
are increasing, and if there is
sort of a swing pendulum swing

1017
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:48,600
back the other way, I guess we
know Hey, might work. Yep, but I

1018
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:50,820
think it's worth doing them.

1019
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:56,490
I think you're right, and I can
speak for myself if I have. It's

1020
01:04:56,490 --> 01:04:59,430
funny. We have a lot of screens
around us. Somehow the

1021
01:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,520
experience of On desktop or a
laptop, just a full functioning

1022
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:06,570
PC is a lot better. And I'm
drawn to it, you know, I've got

1023
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,920
my PC on my desk, and I've got
my phone in my hand, more often

1024
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,700
than not, I've got a slack to
reply to, I'll use my desktop,

1025
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:16,620
as an example, right? Because

1026
01:05:16,620 --> 01:05:20,160
you can use either one, that app
that I was talking about that I

1027
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:25,740
was shown, what was so great
about it is it was it had all of

1028
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:32,280
this content that the user they
the screen was just packed full

1029
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,150
of good content. You weren't,
like when you're on the phone,

1030
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:39,780
I'm sure he would visit you. I
mean, you know, this intimately,

1031
01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:44,520
is like, you have to agonize
over putting one more thing on

1032
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,190
the screen, because it's going
to screw everything up. You

1033
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:49,830
know, it's like you just got
such little tiny little space.

1034
01:05:49,830 --> 01:05:52,710
But you know, when you have all
that real estate for a web app,

1035
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:55,650
it's like, ah, you know, it's
just pretty nice. Spread out.

1036
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:57,990
Yeah. And just, you don't have
to, you don't have to worry

1037
01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:00,210
about ran out of room is good.

1038
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:04,230
And you're all NDA up on this.
You can't tell us more about it.

1039
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,650
I'm thoroughly like Todd man,
put me on the top.

1040
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,440
Oh, it's my new thing. What do
you think is what I do?

1041
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:17,400
Todd? Yeah. Cool. So you
definitely plan on, on what

1042
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,270
you're investigating value for
value, streaming payments, and

1043
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:22,620
booths, etc. Now, right?

1044
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,130
Yes, yes. Cool. Very cool. Yeah,
as well as all the others would

1045
01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:35,310
love to have all of that in our
authoring tool. And just to keep

1046
01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,370
it the more places because
because there's some feedback

1047
01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:44,010
from the podcast producers as
well. And it's, what's the egg

1048
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:48,330
situation where they love and
love what it does and respect

1049
01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:50,910
that their listeners will really
enjoy it. But there's always a

1050
01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:54,180
little bit of, you know, how
many places can people enjoy

1051
01:06:54,180 --> 01:07:00,030
this in, and it will be good to
slowly start opening that up. As

1052
01:07:00,030 --> 01:07:02,790
as the standard and the
namespace comes together, I

1053
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:06,990
think we can really have it
across enough listener density,

1054
01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:09,660
that it becomes more and more
attractive becomes a bit of a

1055
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:13,140
snowball effect with people
rolling towards us, rather than,

1056
01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:17,100
you know, a walled garden where
you get 1.5 cents for an ad,

1057
01:07:17,310 --> 01:07:23,160
right? Yeah, I'm, I'm coming it
kind of enamored by this, I just

1058
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,990
kind of clicked in my head, the
idea that any app can onboard a

1059
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:34,560
podcaster. And then that works
in all the other value enabled

1060
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,160
apps.

1061
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:36,720
Exactly.

1062
01:07:36,780 --> 01:07:39,660
It's really it's really kind of,
it's really, I mean, that's,

1063
01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:43,110
that's what fountain does, that
system works. I wish more would

1064
01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:47,190
do that. I understand that just
building a, an onboarding path

1065
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:51,090
and within your app is not
something you just do. But wow,

1066
01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:54,270
does it does it really make it?
I mean, that's a whole new when

1067
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:59,100
you, here's what happens. So I
helped onboard a very big Dutch

1068
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:03,060
podcaster. And so they're just
getting their feet wet with all

1069
01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:07,500
this stuff. And they really had
a company doing this for them.

1070
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,700
And now they're doing it all
themselves. And so they, you

1071
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,280
know, they chose out of their
own volition Oh, that we'd like

1072
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,530
pod verse, we'd like fountain.
And so they saw the booster

1073
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,170
grams and fountain said, Okay,
how do we do that? Well, you

1074
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,080
onboard that way. And so now
it's kind of like a closed

1075
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,650
ecosystem, even though it'll
work on any other app. That you

1076
01:08:28,650 --> 01:08:32,670
know, the benefit to fountain is
because they're using fountain

1077
01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:35,340
to listen and to create, they're
going to tell the listeners to

1078
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:39,810
use fountain. So I think these
types of things are important

1079
01:08:39,810 --> 01:08:43,800
for all developers to think
about. Because it's, it's a

1080
01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:45,540
creative flex.

1081
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:51,270
Yeah, yeah. Cuz that's what I
see happening as a sort of side

1082
01:08:51,270 --> 01:08:55,080
effect of all this is that it's
sort of blurring the lines

1083
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:01,170
between host and listen, and
because especially to take

1084
01:09:01,170 --> 01:09:07,860
Vaizey for instance. If you have
that tool, the tool, you know,

1085
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:13,860
the tools can live outside of
the traditional client server

1086
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:19,560
split or host listen split. So
you can have your I think, I

1087
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:22,800
think you're right, I think
apricots are sort of created or

1088
01:09:22,830 --> 01:09:27,240
launched this idea that you can
have, you can have the hosting

1089
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,720
company, hosting your podcast,
and then you can have the app

1090
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,990
reading the podcast. But then
you have this other thing over

1091
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:37,680
here. This sort of like it's
neither one and then Stephen B

1092
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,080
is taking this and going
logician you know, just run just

1093
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,180
flat off the cliff with it and
said, you know, we're going to

1094
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:47,580
do everything where it's this
third option, and that tells you

1095
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:53,430
that any app can cannot just, I
get okay here. I'm losing

1096
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,930
myself. But what I'm trying to
say is that, I think an app like

1097
01:09:57,930 --> 01:10:03,630
visie and and And what others
are doing shows that the app

1098
01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:07,260
doesn't just have to be a
consumption device. It cannot it

1099
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:10,170
it's, it can be a two way
street. Does that make sense?

1100
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:10,440
No.

1101
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:14,460
It makes sense. It makes sense.
It can be a two way street. And

1102
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:20,010
also the, in this situation, the
tools that you use in order to

1103
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:23,220
get an output in an app can
definitely be cross platform.

1104
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:28,080
How do you curate in one spot,
and output to many spots, and

1105
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,360
then people can choose right,
some people absolutely love

1106
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,030
their overcast. Some people,
surprisingly, love Apple

1107
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:36,570
podcasts for some reason, you
know, some people will use, let

1108
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:39,720
them use the app that they want.
And let us try and get that

1109
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,750
experience across as many of
them as we can. And including,

1110
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,170
you know, web, and desktop, as
you mentioned, I think that will

1111
01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:49,650
be really important. And it'll
take it'll take collaboration.

1112
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,390
So I think this is a good place
as a central point for everyone

1113
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:56,880
that wants to build on this
system. And obviously, like,

1114
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:02,280
reach out at me on LinkedIn. You
know, let's talk about it. You

1115
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,520
know, strategically, we can work
together to try and make it

1116
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,270
work. Otherwise, it might just
fractionalize Even more,

1117
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,280
which is Steven, is people like
dog catch.

1118
01:11:17,940 --> 01:11:19,710
There it is, in a nutshell,
everybody.

1119
01:11:21,810 --> 01:11:26,520
Do you think you'd ever tried to
do some partnerships, like with

1120
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,450
hosting companies like blueberry
or pet sprout or rss.com, or

1121
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:30,990
something like that?

1122
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,620
I would love to explore it, I'd
love to explore because I think

1123
01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,590
the strength with that is, you
know, if we can build a really

1124
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:40,350
compelling tool that's really
easy to use people like when

1125
01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:43,260
things look good, they're clean,
they're easy to use, but then

1126
01:11:43,260 --> 01:11:47,130
provide it to them at scale,
where they already are without

1127
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:50,970
having to change their, you
know, ceremony or ritual or how

1128
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:54,900
they produce their show. I think
that will actually expand things

1129
01:11:54,900 --> 01:11:56,970
quicker, rather than obtaining
them one by one.

1130
01:11:58,440 --> 01:11:59,310
That makes sense. Yeah.

1131
01:12:01,710 --> 01:12:04,470
Shall we? I'm sorry, go ahead.

1132
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:06,990
Up nope, that's it for me.

1133
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:10,140
Oh, I was just gonna suggest
maybe we thank a few people who

1134
01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:14,910
supported the project. With
their time, talent and treasure,

1135
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:17,430
this will be the treasure
portion. And for those of you

1136
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:21,870
who are new value for value,
look at value for value.io.

1137
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:25,800
Value number four value.io is a
brief explanation. It's a

1138
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,350
precursor to the big manifesto,
I'm still working on with

1139
01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:34,860
Professor Ted. It is
forthcoming. And actually, Tina

1140
01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:37,740
is going away with her daughter
for a couple of days next week,

1141
01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:40,710
I hope to be able to wrap it up.
It's gonna be like, there's no

1142
01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:43,920
this there's no distractions,
everything will be everything

1143
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,150
will be perfect for you

1144
01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:47,460
that close Are you that close to
I mean, like you could wrap it

1145
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:48,630
up within a couple of days?

1146
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,440
Well, I'd like to wrap it up.
And then I want to send it past

1147
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:56,430
Gigi, he's offered to take a
look. Oh, good, I want to send

1148
01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:59,610
it past you. And then when Tina
comes back, I want to throw it

1149
01:12:59,610 --> 01:13:02,070
to the Tina wash because that's
you know, that's kind of like

1150
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:05,910
the ultimate triple wash that's
organic, it was the enter with

1151
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:09,900
the green goo Yeah, you get the
green goo wash and the blow dry.

1152
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,700
And, and that and then I think
it should it should be good to

1153
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:19,080
go. But anyway, value for value
means whatever you're getting

1154
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,130
out of this project and I think
even as a just to a listener,

1155
01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:26,010
you're probably seeing all of
this stuff all this value that's

1156
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:30,300
being created. And one way to
return that to the project into

1157
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:34,980
the show which is really just
the facade for the project is by

1158
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:37,800
going to podcast index.org down
at the bottom you have a couple

1159
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,650
ways to donate your Fiat fund
coupons are welcomed through

1160
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,170
PayPal. You can send on chain
Bitcoin, if you have a couple

1161
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:50,700
laying around we put all that on
our node we provide liquidity

1162
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,480
with that which has been going
quite well actually. The fees

1163
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,210
are the perfect spot now we're
no one's complaining about them

1164
01:13:57,210 --> 01:14:00,420
and we're also not being
drained. Our channels aren't

1165
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:03,780
being drained it's and I haven't
had to write unless you're

1166
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,390
rebalancing I haven't had to
rebalance anything in the past

1167
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:11,220
at least four weeks. Are you
kidding? We have these moments

1168
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:13,980
like okay man, I gotta I gotta
restart the node which means

1169
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,160
it's gonna go into compact note
we both sit there with sweaty

1170
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,450
butt cracks for 20 minutes Yes,
like Oh, and with Graham on

1171
01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:24,210
signal like Dude, can you just
make it you sure is it coming

1172
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,550
back up? Will it will it come
back to life?

1173
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:33,150
I have bugged him so much I feel
bad about it. Now like there's I

1174
01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:35,610
mean if you've done all that and
Sir Spencer hasn't popped up

1175
01:14:35,610 --> 01:14:37,110
yet. You've done a good job.

1176
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,640
He still has a channel with us.
I think so that's that means

1177
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,870
good. We still have love and of
course we'd love the boost and

1178
01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:48,210
the booster grands let me just
hit a couple of the live ones we

1179
01:14:48,210 --> 01:14:53,010
got a while we were lit and only
the booster Graham so we had

1180
01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:56,520
Steven B with his Rolodex for
what tech stack is busy using we

1181
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,920
handle that and we see we have a
booster RAM from C Dubs. Thank

1182
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:12,900
you for 2222 and a 333. Hard Hat
row a duck's Mike Newman 55,555.

1183
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:13,950
And oh,

1184
01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:15,900
he says, Yeah, you know what we
should

1185
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:25,320
and I can't drive 55 booths for
y'all from New Mexico where this

1186
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:31,230
Texican with this Texan Texican
with this Texas where this Texan

1187
01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:34,920
literally can't go podcasting

1188
01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:39,480
get lost in the translation

1189
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:44,580
somehow he's driving 20,000 SATs
from Brando sellers. Who says

1190
01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,460
doubling my boost from last week
to make up for the error

1191
01:15:48,389 --> 01:15:50,219
though from the sleek podcast

1192
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:59,340
no right there you go 44,444
SATs from petyarre No a big

1193
01:15:59,340 --> 01:15:59,820
boosters

1194
01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:00,960
here. Yes, he

1195
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:08,430
says a pre booster ejaculation
boost actually boost that's more

1196
01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:17,280
like N four v x. Ro 611 11 live
on curio Castro 2101 e s t

1197
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:22,050
That's right. Oh nice. Yeah,
there's a cool hardhat was also

1198
01:16:22,050 --> 01:16:26,820
pre boasting another row of
ducks. Same from now this this

1199
01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:32,580
is interesting. I put the
pending tag in two hours before

1200
01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:36,150
showtime and people were
boosting on it. Oh, boosting all

1201
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:38,730
the pending tag boosting on the
pending time which is legal in

1202
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:39,690
all 50 states

1203
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,960
through through pod verse or
through Korea cast or both.

1204
01:16:43,470 --> 01:16:49,980
Let's see This is curio caster
with elite boost 1337 and four v

1205
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,800
VX pre boosting the Saturday
night podcast party. Well, it's

1206
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,210
Friday night. Another one from
en for VX. Forget the third

1207
01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:00,570
rail. That's mo facts. I'm
sorry.

1208
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:03,720
You're crossing the street. I

1209
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,480
think I am crossing the streams
here. I don't know. Here we go.

1210
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,010
Kyron pre boosting for the
mystery guest is it the ghost of

1211
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:14,550
Sidney Gottlieb to help Dave
with his MK Ultra experiments.

1212
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:22,080
And that was boosted four hours
ago by chyron on the live item,

1213
01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:25,980
because I got it here in the
helipad row stakes. And that

1214
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:30,030
will Yeah, so that was
definitely on the on the pre on

1215
01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:31,860
the pending pending lit.

1216
01:17:32,519 --> 01:17:36,389
And where are you? Where are you
in in Australia with? I'm in

1217
01:17:36,389 --> 01:17:39,839
Sydney? Sydney. Okay, all right.
In Brisbane,

1218
01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:43,920
and then just in under the wire
before we go back over the

1219
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:51,870
booster grams from the weak Dred
Scott. Who is the Bruce Wayne of

1220
01:17:51,870 --> 01:17:56,340
podcasting? 2.0 Ladies and
gentlemen 50,000 SATs right

1221
01:17:56,340 --> 01:18:00,840
there Oosting it live or
listening on pod verse on i Oh s

1222
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:07,620
go podcasting. And he has little
he might from iOS. Yeah. And he

1223
01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:11,490
has a little mic emoji and down
arrow. So Mic drop.

1224
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,520
You know what I'm gonna I'm
gonna give you a little bit of

1225
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,240
this. Can you hear this?

1226
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:21,270
Is that a dog toy? This is the
scissor six. Not a doggy toy for

1227
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:26,160
sure. That's Wow. They are. No
they're your scissors are huge.

1228
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:34,290
Yes. What I've been told. We got
a we got to pay pal from Anthony

1229
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,330
Thomas zoo ski for $20 and it is
from the static podcast Adam and

1230
01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:41,760
Dave, thanks for all you do.
Dave Thanks for the help the

1231
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,050
other day go podcasting.

1232
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:46,950
Go podcasting. Thank you very
much. We appreciate that podcast

1233
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:51,900
we get another one from Andrew
Kelly right under the wire at

1234
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:55,140
$10 through PayPal and he says
go podcasting

1235
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:05,070
that's it that's it for the
that's it for the single weekly

1236
01:19:05,550 --> 01:19:12,630
I was chatting with with Roy and
we are going Roy from breeze we

1237
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:16,020
are going through a
transformation here which I've

1238
01:19:16,020 --> 01:19:19,170
been playing paying very close
attention to we've been

1239
01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:23,790
migrating away from Fiat fun
coupons through PayPal into

1240
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:29,310
booster grams without Now of
course there's some bitcoin

1241
01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:35,550
pricing but without really
dipping too much in in the

1242
01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:40,860
overall income to fund the fund
the system. It's it's this is

1243
01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:42,900
very important what we're doing
here.

1244
01:19:43,710 --> 01:19:45,030
It's a smooth transition.

1245
01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:49,620
It appears to be Yeah, it really
does. And I'm incredibly

1246
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:52,470
impressed. Now of course we're
asking people to pay attention

1247
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:57,690
to what they're boosting. And I
think the the live factor is is

1248
01:19:57,690 --> 01:20:01,800
definitely helping that I mean
no i No, it is it's it's helping

1249
01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:05,940
keep everything where we need it
to be at without, you know, and

1250
01:20:05,940 --> 01:20:09,720
just without losing any steam
because we're losing the PayPal.

1251
01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:14,370
And we we did lose the so we and
we did lose a pipe we lost a $50

1252
01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:17,550
a month donor subscription
through Pay Pal. So then this

1253
01:20:17,550 --> 01:20:22,920
month and that's, that's why we
build the war chest like we are

1254
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,950
always talking about building
up, you know a good savings

1255
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,280
because, you know, we want the
economies go up and down this

1256
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,340
$50 month I mean, they may be I
don't know maybe he lost his job

1257
01:20:32,340 --> 01:20:34,980
maybe something like that that's
always gonna be the case. And so

1258
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,700
we you know, we want to be self
sufficient. And that's that's

1259
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:38,940
what we

1260
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,310
do. And also look at the
industry everywhere people are

1261
01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:45,930
cutting back five, eight 10%
stopping hiring budgets are

1262
01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:50,310
being slashed. We had no budget
to start with. It's hard to say

1263
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,440
are we all we have is the Is
this the Bitcoin on the node and

1264
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,320
our little war chests that we
just keep very carefully

1265
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,500
watching so that, you know we
can always pay the bills?

1266
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:06,090
That's right. And Karen, for the
mere mortals podcast helps us

1267
01:21:06,090 --> 01:21:10,410
pay the bills that 3790 SATs
through curio caster. He says,

1268
01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:14,250
You've both inspired me to do a
whole episode on music 2.0

1269
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:21,540
Nice little music a boost.

1270
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,830
And Dave, you're reading with
backup music from Adam was

1271
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:27,420
wonderful, poetic even

1272
01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:33,840
dude, I need to say something
about that. So you were reading.

1273
01:21:34,710 --> 01:21:37,230
I'm thinking I gotta do
something with this. I go

1274
01:21:37,260 --> 01:21:39,870
quickly, I go find some Green
Sleeves, because that's what

1275
01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:44,580
that what that track is is two
minutes or like a minute 25 I

1276
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:49,200
started I fade it in under you
and you end it and you actually

1277
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,500
drag out the ending of your read
all the way to the end of the

1278
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,950
music. One of the most
professional things I've ever

1279
01:21:55,980 --> 01:22:01,650
seen someone do on a podcast.
That's right, seriously, and

1280
01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:06,300
it's also because you're a
musician. It was it was good,

1281
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:07,740
man. That was impressive.

1282
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:11,550
All those years of college
radio, hospital radio.

1283
01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:13,230
That'll do it.

1284
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,410
Hashtag never skip the V for V
section.

1285
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,840
Agreed? Hell yeah.

1286
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:24,930
Don't skip. Don't be a hater.
Thank you don't just post Chris

1287
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:31,440
Fisher, our buddy from Jupiter
broadcasting 6666 sets through

1288
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:35,010
fountain he says pod father and
sage my apologies about the

1289
01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:36,540
overexcited Linux crowd.

1290
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,730
Loose Bucha know we love the
overexcited Linux crowd.

1291
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,380
You know how technical users are
they always want to provide a

1292
01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:50,160
solution to a problem and being
the Linux user who converted the

1293
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,340
pod father to Linux would be a
feather in their cap. The Linux

1294
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:57,030
fans just get excited on behalf
of all of them. I apologize when

1295
01:22:57,030 --> 01:23:00,630
I was a young lad I would do I
too was much like them these

1296
01:23:00,630 --> 01:23:03,780
days I say record however you
want to record just do your

1297
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:04,860
thing and pod on

1298
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,950
well I'm I'm very excited about
the about the road caster. Yes,

1299
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:14,340
I'm getting my hopes up. I'm
getting old JD about it. Because

1300
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:18,630
that thing although you can't
run the software it that should

1301
01:23:18,630 --> 01:23:23,520
just integrate with with Linux
fine. With existing shit.

1302
01:23:24,210 --> 01:23:29,040
I keep man I hope that thing
works good. I can't. I'm afraid

1303
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,950
of the fear that it's just gonna
like there's gonna be a fatal

1304
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:32,460
flaw

1305
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:37,320
but you'll be there to catch me.
I was when when I collapsed in a

1306
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,620
heap of disappointment. You'll
be you'll be there for me baby.

1307
01:23:40,889 --> 01:23:42,059
I'd be there to catch you with
these

1308
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,650
monk Monty kaka gave us 500 sets
and he's the fountain and he

1309
01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:57,210
says I love Ron Paul too. Yay. I
don't know what this

1310
01:23:57,599 --> 01:23:59,039
is okay, but we'll take it

1311
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:05,760
Yeah, okay. I always remember
when you asked Ron Paul in your

1312
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,540
when you interviewed him feels a
structure or a folder or a

1313
01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:11,700
folder and he was like he got
all offended. He

1314
01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:14,040
was like what you're talking I
don't see what that has to do

1315
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,560
with the conversation. It was at
the very end of like, one more

1316
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,700
question. Senator or Senator
Paul. Are you fold or scrunch

1317
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:23,580
here? He's like I don't see how
that is relevant to this.

1318
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:26,940
i He was not a

1319
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:29,520
Don I was egged on to do it.
Everyone's like, Come on, man.

1320
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,030
You got to ask him. You got an
he had no humor about that. He

1321
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:34,260
had zero humor.

1322
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:37,170
If nobody knows what they miss
about toothpaste tubes.

1323
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,910
Toilet paper. Oh, toilet

1324
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:48,060
paper. Okay. Toilet paper. I
forgot. Boris because they'll

1325
01:24:48,060 --> 01:24:51,930
ski. Give us 200 SATs. And he
says thanks for saving the

1326
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:52,710
podcasting.

1327
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,640
And we do that in our spare
time.

1328
01:24:56,940 --> 01:25:00,660
Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah.
Blueberry. I'll So known as

1329
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,910
boost, burry gave us 3333 sets.
All right, he says, Thank you,

1330
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:09,630
Dave and Steven B for helping
for the help getting in our in a

1331
01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:12,960
tube channel working in the
index. Anyone want to use

1332
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:13,560
behind?

1333
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:16,530
Behind the schemes? Oh, I

1334
01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:19,440
see. I see what he means. Anyone
wants to use behind the scheme's

1335
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,800
as guinea pigs with scissors for
live video in app we're game?

1336
01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:27,360
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let's
get that going. I got my camera

1337
01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:28,380
everything. I'm ready.

1338
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:31,110
You didn't fire up the camera
this time? Did

1339
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:37,470
you know I was afraid of fear?
Well, because here's what has to

1340
01:25:37,470 --> 01:25:46,830
happen. Video has to be working
in in pod verse. Because you

1341
01:25:46,830 --> 01:25:49,830
because I want it you put the
video stream you put that into

1342
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:55,620
the enclosure on the live item
tag. That's the next step. I

1343
01:25:55,620 --> 01:25:59,190
don't know. I don't even know if
curio caster can do that yet.

1344
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,570
I don't know. I don't know.
We'll see. But

1345
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,900
once we have that, then you
know, then we just fired up and

1346
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:10,320
then people will see some video
and I don't know what it'll be.

1347
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:15,480
But you'll see something moving.
And then you'll hear the audio

1348
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:19,500
now I'll still I'll still throw
it out to the to the stream. And

1349
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:22,830
we still use the same chat room.
But that That for me is the next

1350
01:26:22,830 --> 01:26:24,900
step. That's the next thing I
want to do.

1351
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:31,560
Nick does divisi support video
at all? Currently, we do not any

1352
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:32,040
plans?

1353
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:37,440
Definitely. Definitely. I think
I think video for those that

1354
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,500
choose to do video production or
they just use the camera on

1355
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:43,140
their laptops. I think it's I
think it's good. Some people are

1356
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:48,510
really enjoying it. And you can
see of the podcasts that are

1357
01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,810
using video with a poor bit more
production. They're getting

1358
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,490
they're getting quite a lot of
fraction there's because they're

1359
01:26:53,490 --> 01:26:57,960
showing visuals on the screens,
charts, pictures, places. And

1360
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,670
he's good. He's getting actually
pretty good traction.

1361
01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:03,870
Hey, you should also take a look
at the maps guys. Was it maps.fm

1362
01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:05,160
day? Oh, yeah,

1363
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,820
yeah, yeah, that's right. So in
Cridland Crillon is involved in

1364
01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,730
that somehow right. And he like
advisor advisor or something?

1365
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:13,230
I believe so.

1366
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,060
That means there'll be sold
soon.

1367
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,750
For his exit strategy. Yeah,

1368
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,320
sure. No, if I had to sell
something I get critical

1369
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,280
involved. Heck, yeah. Anyway,
that's something that's

1370
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,980
something to think about Nick,
is that you could do cool ass

1371
01:27:28,980 --> 01:27:32,130
maps. Shit. That's the acronym
is.

1372
01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:34,710
Cas sit in your pitch deck.

1373
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,760
It's called we have the CAS
which is this new feature we've

1374
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,740
just introduced it's an acronym
for cool at CAS cams. There you

1375
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:50,250
go. Thank you. Cool last match.
cams. Also another possible

1376
01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:51,540
title cams.

1377
01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,230
What what VC wouldn't go for
that? Yeah.

1378
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,050
Cool. Last map should baby come
on. That's what we're talking

1379
01:27:58,050 --> 01:27:58,530
about.

1380
01:27:59,009 --> 01:28:06,269
Perfect time for it. It's not
it's not it's not as it's not a

1381
01:28:06,269 --> 01:28:10,289
suggestion far from our pitch
deck. I mean, like, you can do

1382
01:28:10,289 --> 01:28:15,299
cool. You can do some cool as
shit like, walking tour. Once

1383
01:28:15,299 --> 01:28:18,929
you once you've got that visual
on the screen. Yeah, the world

1384
01:28:18,929 --> 01:28:19,919
really opens up with

1385
01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:23,640
Yeah, I used to do this thing
called the sound seeing tours.

1386
01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:29,670
And I'd set up, I had a great
stereo mic. And I'd walk I

1387
01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:33,420
walked Union Square One time at
midnight in San Francisco talk

1388
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:36,540
to whole bunch of homeless
people, which was interesting,

1389
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:38,760
but you know, I just be
describing as I'm walking and

1390
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,720
the quality was so beautiful of
this of these microphones. And

1391
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:48,030
people loved it. I one time I
recorded my entire flight. I am

1392
01:28:48,030 --> 01:28:51,840
a pilot and I flew myself over
the over the English Channel and

1393
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,590
as I hoped in the radio, and so
I was narrating what it was just

1394
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:58,770
a solo flight. But I was
narrating and it had this really

1395
01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:02,370
cool deep rumble from the
engines and it really became an

1396
01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:05,580
immersive experience and to be
able to enhance that. Oh man.

1397
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,520
Creative flex babies.

1398
01:29:09,269 --> 01:29:11,159
So cool. Greater flex.

1399
01:29:11,550 --> 01:29:13,770
Was that on it? Was that on a
separate thing or was that on

1400
01:29:13,770 --> 01:29:14,250
daily source

1401
01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:17,250
code daily source code? Oh,
cool. Yeah, it's out there

1402
01:29:17,250 --> 01:29:17,730
somewhere.

1403
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,350
Ferrell Jeremy sent us 1000 SATs
through fountain and he says

1404
01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:30,210
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1405
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1406
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1407
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1408
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He sent it this week but it was
for episode 74

1409
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,720
Bank is way behind. That's all
right. We'll take it at least we

1410
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,540
know what you were listening.
What was episode 79 You said or

1411
01:29:54,540 --> 01:29:56,610
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1412
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cannon?

1413
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Oh, okay, back But it's going
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1414
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:07,620
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1415
01:30:07,620 --> 01:30:15,870
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1416
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1417
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1418
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:29,190
to say when idiots attempt at
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1419
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1420
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:32,370
That chyron No no, no

1421
01:30:32,370 --> 01:30:36,360
no no this is floydian slips.

1422
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,850
Oh, okay. All right, Ford you've
slipped Yeah,

1423
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:45,330
yeah. See Sam Sethi Oh 100 sets
he says test using pod verse and

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1425
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1426
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delimiter comic strip blogger.

1427
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:55,740
Oh, there he is. Everybody

1428
01:30:56,130 --> 01:31:00,990
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he says, howdy, David. Adam. I

1429
01:31:00,990 --> 01:31:03,990
hope Russian nuclear missiles
didn't reach you didn't reach

1430
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:09,510
you yet. I invite your listeners
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01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:13,260
podcast by Gregory William
Forsythe Foreman from Kent smash

1432
01:31:13,260 --> 01:31:18,480
cast that that he is doing with
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1433
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,440
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yesterday. Just search in your

1434
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:26,040
podcast app for Smash cast
without the space in the middle.

1435
01:31:26,130 --> 01:31:27,090
Yo look at

1436
01:31:27,090 --> 01:31:31,290
that comics are blogger is is
booster gramming promoting other

1437
01:31:31,290 --> 01:31:32,940
podcasts. That's

1438
01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,210
I don't understand what's
happening in the world. He's

1439
01:31:36,210 --> 01:31:38,580
giving money to other podcasts.

1440
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:45,030
Now you get to this for that
that was very cool. It was

1441
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:45,510
beautiful.

1442
01:31:47,610 --> 01:31:50,490
Thank you. Everybody knows our
group of booster grams and we

1443
01:31:50,490 --> 01:31:57,240
got some monthly donors. Chad
Farrow $20.22 The PR the ever

1444
01:31:57,270 --> 01:32:07,020
lasting PR representative as he
Scott Jalbert $12

1445
01:32:07,050 --> 01:32:10,260
paid to pay tar just says in the
chat. Hey guys, I'm interested

1446
01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:13,290
in both AI and cooking at the
same time. Do you have any

1447
01:32:13,290 --> 01:32:14,760
suggestions?

1448
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,340
Give me a minute. Give me I
can't

1449
01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:21,420
come up with anything.

1450
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:26,910
Yeah, man. I'm drawing a blank.
Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Pedro

1451
01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:33,000
van calvess $5 Aaron Renaud $5
Mark gram $1 Thank you, Mark.

1452
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,940
And thank you everybody. That's
our that's our group.

1453
01:32:35,969 --> 01:32:38,549
Thank you so much for those of
you bringing time talent

1454
01:32:38,549 --> 01:32:40,979
treasure, this is treasure but
the time and talent is

1455
01:32:40,979 --> 01:32:44,729
everywhere all over this
project. Actually, I was

1456
01:32:44,729 --> 01:32:50,099
thinking because we got a little
bit of talent and time which for

1457
01:32:50,099 --> 01:32:53,159
this type of person equals
treasure. We got a really nice

1458
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:59,759
opinion from a lawyer about
wallets and the pending

1459
01:32:59,759 --> 01:33:04,649
legislation of you know what a
broker is all this stuff that

1460
01:33:04,649 --> 01:33:07,739
gets everybody nervous. Yeah, do
you think we should have him

1461
01:33:07,739 --> 01:33:08,519
have him on?

1462
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,400
No Yeah, for real? Yes, sure.
Sure.

1463
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,920
I mean, I've been asked him I
haven't asked him but I'll just

1464
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:15,570
say look you can't bill us for
this

1465
01:33:17,820 --> 01:33:19,590
exposure but we'll free exposure
will

1466
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:24,300
give you a split in the in the
value block. We'll do that.

1467
01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,590
Yeah, cuz it's, he's a fun guy.
So it might be interesting to

1468
01:33:28,590 --> 01:33:31,890
have him maybe not for the whole
show but have him on and just I

1469
01:33:31,890 --> 01:33:32,190
think we

1470
01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:36,570
should have him on in this for
this reason is because I listen

1471
01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:42,030
to a lot of Bitcoin podcasts and
people in Bitcoin Bitcoiners and

1472
01:33:42,030 --> 01:33:45,630
people involved in Bitcoin
things do not talk about the

1473
01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:50,400
real world aspects of the legal
side of things. They never they

1474
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,310
hardly ever talk about it.
Right. Even in private, they

1475
01:33:53,310 --> 01:33:56,970
don't when you ask, Hey, what's
your opinion on? Is this? Is

1476
01:33:56,970 --> 01:34:02,760
this kosher? Can we do this?
Like, nobody has anything to

1477
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,690
offer? And so actually hearing
somebody say, you know, I think

1478
01:34:06,780 --> 01:34:10,230
this is okay, or this is
something you should watch out

1479
01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:12,780
for. That's valuable stuff.

1480
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:17,820
I think Yeah. And you saw it.
You saw the the letter that he

1481
01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:20,760
wrote, he'd really done some
work. I mean, he even looked at

1482
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,300
tally coin, and, and all these
other things that we're doing

1483
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:26,850
specifically. I mean, that was I
thought it was very interesting.

1484
01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:29,490
And he said, Hey, you know, I
don't see where listeners would

1485
01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:32,400
have to be reporting anything. I
mean, basically, what it came

1486
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:38,190
down to was the IRS or the
opinion that would be the

1487
01:34:38,190 --> 01:34:41,310
regulation that would be
enforced by the IRS is kind of

1488
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:45,090
goes as follows. If you don't
have any information of value to

1489
01:34:45,090 --> 01:34:48,210
us on this person, we're not
interested in you.

1490
01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:51,630
Thought that was really good.
That was a really good

1491
01:34:51,630 --> 01:34:56,490
observation because it like when
it comes to tax reporting taxes,

1492
01:34:56,490 --> 01:35:00,000
things like 1099 's and stuff
like that. If you don't know any

1493
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,910
Anything about the person, then
you can't report anything so

1494
01:35:02,910 --> 01:35:03,570
they don't care.

1495
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,270
Right? That's exactly what it
says. Yeah, it's exactly what it

1496
01:35:06,270 --> 01:35:10,050
says. You know, it's all little
money anyway, this is really

1497
01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:14,700
much more for exchanges and, and
you know, for Big Boy stuff. Not

1498
01:35:14,700 --> 01:35:18,720
that yeah, not the value for
value isn't big boy stuff, but

1499
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:24,000
it's it's so distributed and
wide and therefore much smaller

1500
01:35:24,030 --> 01:35:26,910
assist just it's not going to be
of interest.

1501
01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:30,210
Yeah, yeah I think we definitely
should do

1502
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:36,000
two quick lips before live
booster grams that just came in

1503
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:43,110
see Brooklyn 112 Thank you for
your courage on the from a curio

1504
01:35:43,110 --> 01:35:47,670
caster and we have one from
fountain No, that's sorry.

1505
01:35:47,670 --> 01:35:52,200
That's interesting. Something
just came in for no agenda.

1506
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:54,210
Really right now.

1507
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:59,610
Yeah, for Bitcoin fixes this
wakeup JCD I thought I thought

1508
01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:04,110
for sure that was gonna be for
us. I know I've been mixed node.

1509
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,660
And makes note. Yeah, I get all
kinds of stuff on my node. I

1510
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:12,870
just sometimes just sit there
all day and just watch. Watch

1511
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:15,420
the green glow and the
occasional aquarium.

1512
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:16,830
Yes, yes.

1513
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:21,630
Oh my god, a heavy pad aquarium
style, where the fish are just

1514
01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:24,600
swimming and all sudden one of
them will glow. And a number

1515
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,900
will pop up. That's first stream
and that one will just explode

1516
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:31,200
into fish guts and confetti.
When a booster Graham comes in.

1517
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:31,260
Do

1518
01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:32,730
you have an audible before the
show?

1519
01:36:32,849 --> 01:36:36,299
Okay, well, it's a late show.
What can I tell you? I'm sorry.

1520
01:36:36,299 --> 01:36:41,309
I'd already had my dinner my
coffee. So yeah, there you go.

1521
01:36:41,309 --> 01:36:44,429
Thank you, everybody for
supporting us value for value.

1522
01:36:44,429 --> 01:36:48,269
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1525
01:36:56,550 --> 01:37:01,740
59. Actually, oh, because I just
merged a new one into the Apps

1526
01:37:01,740 --> 01:37:03,720
page today, but hadn't rolled it
out yet.

1527
01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:10,890
Which one is that? I forgot. So
many now we forgotten. Yes. Yes.

1528
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,730
And not everybody has all the
all the features all the tags.

1529
01:37:14,730 --> 01:37:16,920
But this is this is how how we
grow it.

1530
01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:21,360
Nick is busy on the Apps page of
the book. I don't think so.

1531
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:27,840
We're not on 6060 6660s big
numbers. Great.

1532
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:30,540
Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. Put it
on there. Yeah, you got

1533
01:37:30,570 --> 01:37:33,360
all you have to do is do a pull
request. Nick. Do you know how

1534
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:33,960
to do that?

1535
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,460
Yep. Yep. Good. Or at least I
know. I know. Someone that knows

1536
01:37:38,460 --> 01:37:38,820
how to do

1537
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:42,000
exactly. That's my answer to
Yeah, I know. I know. A guy who

1538
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,060
can do that for me. Excellent.
What else we need to cover?

1539
01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:48,090
Dave? What are we missing
anything for? For our show here?

1540
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:48,720
Our little show?

1541
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:53,160
I think we've had a good show.
I've got an ISO if you want to

1542
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,650
if you want to roll that out.
And that one out there. Sure.

1543
01:37:55,710 --> 01:38:01,050
Don't have a faint in Holland.
That's from Top Gear. You're

1544
01:38:01,050 --> 01:38:04,680
watching Top Gear. Yeah, he
called me. Yes. I don't remember

1545
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,450
the episode though. Yeah,

1546
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:15,780
it was that one was some Formula
One Dutch guy like some some one

1547
01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:17,970
of the one of the babes when
they come race babes or

1548
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:18,420
whatever.

1549
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,710
Posts. Oh, that's, that's a
Dutch version of it. Sorry.

1550
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:23,280
That's it there

1551
01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:31,080
you go. Whatever they whatever
the term for that is the girls

1552
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,500
that like start the race or
whatever. She just fainted. Oh,

1553
01:38:35,250 --> 01:38:41,430
and landed on his car. These
guys come to help her back to

1554
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:44,250
the pit or whatever help. They
pick me up, pick her up or

1555
01:38:44,250 --> 01:38:48,690
whatever. And then one of them
grabs her but when he picks her

1556
01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:51,600
up in there, yes. And they were
like don't ever feign in

1557
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,020
Holland.

1558
01:38:55,020 --> 01:38:56,280
You can always count on him.

1559
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,640
And then the Dutch racecar
driver. The Dutch driver says,

1560
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,370
Man did you mess my car up? Not
issue. Okay, but did you screw

1561
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:05,850
my car up?

1562
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:10,320
That's funny, Nick, man. Thank
you so much for for getting up

1563
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:16,650
early. And let me see. I have it
is not. Wait. 1247

1564
01:39:17,820 --> 01:39:20,820
It's not 1247. Yeah. Okay. It
wasn't that it wasn't too bad.

1565
01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:22,380
Wasn't the office the size of
the day?

1566
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:25,440
Exactly. Well, we get you out of
here in time for lunch. Yeah,

1567
01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:28,170
no. You're just in time for
Sunday church service, right?

1568
01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:29,520
Yeah. Aren't you three days
ahead of us?

1569
01:39:30,690 --> 01:39:32,310
We are. It's already Wednesday.

1570
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,540
I know. It's the same to you
guys for having me. Yeah, man.

1571
01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:39,870
And congratulations to you and
your partners and the team and

1572
01:39:40,650 --> 01:39:44,760
obviously, here to help where we
can and again, appreciate you

1573
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:45,240
coming on.

1574
01:39:46,290 --> 01:39:48,510
Really, really appreciate coming
on you guys. This has been an

1575
01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:50,970
amazing experience. And thank
you for all that you do looking

1576
01:39:50,970 --> 01:39:54,720
forward to every episode. The
lawyer would love to hear what

1577
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,550
he has to say. It's usually from
the other end only. So I'd love

1578
01:39:59,550 --> 01:40:02,640
to hear this Side A balanced
opinion I think

1579
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,540
I'm gonna get them on the show
but we'll put them on a vocoder.

1580
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,570
Oh, disguises voice

1581
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:16,110
lawyer making making the show
Yeah.

1582
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,360
Would have been the shadow yeah
put a light behind him if you're

1583
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:19,020
using the camera.

1584
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,530
Yes, yes, yes all that yes,
absolutely. All right guys. It's

1585
01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:23,580
been amazing you guys

1586
01:40:23,610 --> 01:40:27,000
yeah thanks man. Good job for
your first podcast interview

1587
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,870
very very well done you have no
problems at all. absolutely

1588
01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:34,050
appreciate it all right Dave
guys hey bro Have a good weekend

1589
01:40:34,050 --> 01:40:36,570
and everybody in the chat room
Thank you for listening. Thanks

1590
01:40:36,570 --> 01:40:42,780
for participating in the thanks
for participating in the live

1591
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:45,270
chat. We'll see you next Friday
with another board meeting of

1592
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:46,710
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1593
01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:06,060
you been listening to podcasting
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1594
01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:08,190
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1595
01:41:15,660 --> 01:41:21,000
I want to lose the very best
like no one ever was.

1596
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:26,640
Is my real dad to lose them is
my

1597
01:41:29,130 --> 01:41:33,420
I will lose them across the land
boosting car.

1598
01:41:35,580 --> 01:41:36,780
It was two grams