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podcasting 2.04 main 2018 2021
Episode 39 licensed to kill. I

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love my Fridays. I'm sure all of
you knew that just because it's

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Friday and we got the weekend
coming up but it is time once

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again for the weekly board
meeting of podcasting. 2.0

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everything going on in podcast
index.org and the mastodon

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podcast index doc social. Hello,
everybody. I'm Adam Curry here

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in Austin, Texas and in Alabama,
the man who closes GitHub issues

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faster than any human being my
friend on the other end. Game

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Jones.

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Hey, yo, dawg.

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The weirdest week Really? can
ever imagine. Like, I'm serious.

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I'm serious. This is a this is
one for the record books.

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Well, what happens? I didn't see
anything special. Well, I kept

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it to myself. I kept it mostly
to myself. Okay. Well, thanks

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for sharing in advance. Yeah,
sure. Well, on a say I started

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sheet rocking this room.

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Oh, here we go. Here we go. Yes.
I have noticed on a couple of

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calls. I saw some of the sheet
rocking it's, it's it is.

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Yes, we let me set the stage
here. We live in a house that

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was built in 1892. So it's an
old one. It's got all the

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typical stuff you could you
could imagine from a house that

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old and it was sort of taken
care of before we got it like

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just sort of carried forward a
little bit. So we get we get in

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here. There was lots of stuff
wrong with it. We had to just

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start doing lots of renovation.
The what we've been doing is

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going room by room and just sort
of going you know, got a room.

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Put it back together all that
kind of stuff. Oh boy. Yeah. So

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the hallway where I podcast from
is the current project and has

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been we started it like right
around the time Coronavirus,

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hit, which completely threw
everything off schedule. And

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started podcasting. People know
which theory of things screwed

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your life up. Yeah. So like I've
been podcasting from this. You

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know, like horror show looking?
How hallway that looks like a

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dungeon for you know about me at
the beginning? Well, so I

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started sheet rocking it on
Sunday, and making some

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progress. Well, then, we started
smelling something. like the

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smell it smelled like a dead
animal. Oh, in the wall. Yeah.

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And I couldn't find it. And so
we could, like it kept getting a

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little bit stronger, a little
bit stronger. And we were like,

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there's gotta be a dead animal
around here somewhere. We spent

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I spent, like, two hours trying
to find this Monday night. Well,

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my daughter, she's like, Hey,
don't you have an infrared

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camera? Like the little you can
like plug it like a FLIR and you

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can plug it into your is a
module you plug into the

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lightning port on your iPhone.
And it'll it'll Yeah, it's

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really cool. I mean, it was not
for your for your Proctor ology

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home exam. It's where it's a
moonlight as a former CIA agent.

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Okay. So that is my night
vision. So she was like, you

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know, that's a great idea. I got
it originally to find insulation

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problems in our house. Because
this house has like, no

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insulation. Yeah. And so I
bought this thing. And I forgot

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i'd heading and I was like,
that's a fantastic idea. So I go

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get it, and start looking at the
walls to see if there's any sort

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of heat signature or something
in the wall of a dead end like

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CSI Dave's house. Yeah, exactly.
Enhance. dum dum. So, I aimed at

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the signaling in our master
bedroom. And it's not a mouse.

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It's much bigger. Oh my god.
Yeah. And so I'm like, Oh my

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god, Melissa, that may be like a
red hat. Oh. And so then, by

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Tuesday, it was like raking in,
I said, I'm gonna have to get,

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I'm gonna have to take off work.
So I took the day off Wednesday.

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So like, Tuesday at lunch when
we were doing that lightning

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round table, and I was on the
zoom meeting. That's why I was

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very quiet. It was I was I was.
I was hunting through the house

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trying to find this animal.
Well, then, Wednesday, I was

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again on the second lightning
round table. And I was all I was

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listening to the roundtable
session up on top of a ladder,

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cutting a hole in our ceiling
with this also and trying not to

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have a dead animal fall out of
it on top of men.

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What did it turn out to be? It
was a possum. Oh. Boost. You

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want to that's right time to
boost story like that deserves a

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boost. Jennifer it's good to
hear that want to get away here

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completely cleansed so good.
Here's your cue to boost you

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know you want to do now. Okay,
do you want to see it? Do you

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want to see what came out of my
ceiling? Oh, is that the picture

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that you said do not open which
I did not do I'm very good at

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things. Okay if you if you're if
you dare open it.

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I'm gonna put it in the show
notes. Oh, okay. Double click

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right.

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Yes. Okay.

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How big is this thing? Oh, you
can see this picture.

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Oh, here we go. Oh.

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Oh, man. Ah, it's completely
deteriorated. Oh,

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if you ever see it, you know, it
was basically like a john

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Carpenter movie. I mean, it was
this. It was like a blob of goo

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with a skeleton of a possum
floating in the middle of it was

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the worst thing that I've ever
experienced.

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I bet you just retching over
that. Oh my god. It was awful.

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So smell I can smell it just
looking at I'm closing this out.

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She meant for Dred Scott. Please
do not put that as chapter rep

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Scott. I will never have any
putting it into the show notes

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as we speak. So you do whatever
you want.

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That that thing came out of my
bedroom ceiling. And so we've

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had a crap man we've had a fan
running in our window I guess.

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Clean and stuff and get all I
had to cut out like three feet

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of our ceiling. Just to get the
all the goo out. Delos off. I

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just want to reiterate dread
definitely put this into chapter

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art man. You have to come on.
That's what that that's what we

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built this shit for man. Come
on. This is great. That's

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finally finally a use case for
chapter art. This is the worst

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use case. Yeah. Oh, that's so
nasty. See? Gosh.

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All right. So that's, that's
that's the story. And like, as

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the whole time? What was so it
was almost What do you call it

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like a like this? It was like a
trippy experience. Because I'm

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up on the ladder. And we have
hot, we have tall ceilings like

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they're 11 and a half feet. So
up on top of the ceiling, with

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the saws all cutting out the
seat, cutting it out and trying

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to make sure that bits of animal
goo fall into the trash bag and

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not on me. Yeah. And the whole
time. I've got like Ben Shapiro

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on on crack on the lightning
round table. All right, trying

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to understand what he say and
what we'll get into this. But we

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just need to mention that he
already mentioned to twice there

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was a lightning labs Roundtable,
two of them one where they

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presented the roadmap. And they
brought in developers people

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with projects, and probably
about 80 people on on the zoom

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call. And then they had
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so I think there were 20 or 3035
or so in the group that we were

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in which I'm not sure exactly
what it was, what the

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qualifications were, but Roy was
in there from breeze and a

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number of other people. And in
both cases, the CTO of lightning

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labs, whose handle on GitHub is
roast beef, blue Lau, and I'm

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not sure where he's from music
from Nigeria. I got no idea.

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It's gonna I'm gonna embarrass
myself. But anyways,

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it doesn't clearly the smartest
person that's ever existed in

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the history of humanity.

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Well, and that's, that that's
just it. It's, it's really

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interesting, because he talks so
fast. In fact, on the first day,

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I mean, I had never heard the
guy speak and he starts and then

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just the whole zoom erupts with
people going Yo, yo, slow down.

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And then and then the lightning
labs exact comes on says, oh,

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pro tip, everybody turn on your
captions. And the captions were

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at least 30 seconds behind. And
it's really funny because I got

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a lot of B star star star star
like, you know, clearly

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understood bitch, but it was but
it wasn't he never said that. So

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and I'm really I've lived around
the world and I can I can

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understand people speak English
with all kinds of accents. I'm

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really good at it. This was
hard. This was really really

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hard. And to be fair, I didn't
like it. It kind of it's like

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dude Because the IRS I think the
response is exactly what you

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gave. He must be the smartest
person in the world. I think if

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he slowed down a hair, I'd still
think he was the smartest guy in

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the world. He's very young.
Yeah, he's in his mid 20s or

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something. He's extremely young.

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I kept trying to explain to my
wife how fast this guy talks. I

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didn't know that you could
actually do that, you

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know, walked in on day two,
because I told her, but then on

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day one, I'm like, Yeah, what
the hell dude? Is there a

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recording available? We got to
play this, no one will believe

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it. I know it was recorded. No
one will believe it. No one will

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believe that there's any human
being who speaks this fast.

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And she kept thinking I was
exaggerating. And I finally

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showed her a YouTube video of an
old thing where he was like a

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guest on something. And her
mouth fell open. She was like,

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whoa. That was like, it's like
being at a cattle auction. Like

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they believed everybody rapinoe
that. You know that super fast

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talk. Oh, my God. That thing?
Oh, sec. Yeah, go ahead. He's,

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he's clearly I mean, he's
clearly like, smarter than fit,

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you know, then 75 people I know
put together wrapped up into one

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human being well, so here we go.
I was like, Well,

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here we go. Hold on. I got I got
an old video yet. Yeah. Good old

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older video. Let's see what this
is. I get him on traditional

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tools, writing ecosystem, back
and forth a lot easier now to

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like, make it easier. What's
going on? That's really

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necessarily recording Hold on.
No, yeah, that's terrible.

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recording. Yeah, that. Oh, this
is him just talking to someone

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else. That should be
interesting.

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We said we're going to do this
thing. And you can't. Exactly

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Yes. I mean, that's that's
markup I, you know, you can't

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like compel someone to do
something. Otherwise, you're

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actually written in the chain
itself. This is actually quite

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slow.

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You know, in order to, like, get
onto like the basics of layer

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two, you basically have one
block in production right. Now,

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the thing is that, like, you
know, you don't necessarily need

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to ever go back, right, because
I've had channels open for the

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past, but it's

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not so bad. Actually. It's
really tame. It's when he is

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when he's presenting. When it
just goes off the rails. Yeah,

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this is just a speeded up,
speeded up to like one point.

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Yeah, yeah. Anyway. And you're
in the ballpark? Yeah, it was

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really bizarre. And but I don't
think that's good. Personally, I

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just don't, he clearly has the
ability to speak slower, because

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we just heard it. That's
reasonable. Let's, anyway, I

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don't want to bitch and moan
about it. I was quite happy that

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they invited us. And I learned a
lot, actually, a lot. I did a I

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did a podcast girl. I learned a
lot. So. So I, we were, you

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know, able to ask questions. And
the first thing I said, well not

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necessarily quite introduced
myself, because they definitely

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know who we are. They know what
street is all a lot of streaming

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SATs, and Adam Curry's crew. A
lot of that going on.

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I said, Look, I just want to
point some things out about the

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network that we're seeing. It
really sucks from I didn't say

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sucks. But it's it's very
difficult for microtransactions,

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because of if you have all this
great conductivity, and you've

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got big channels open to all the
big boys, you're paying real

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fees. And even if they're
smaller players, if the fees are

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too high for for, you know, a
one set transaction. And the

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answer that he basically gave
was, well, don't worry about it,

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people will spend more like,
okay, so he doesn't. And I don't

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know if he exactly knows how
micro transactions are very

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micro, the micro is of micro.
But I heard from a couple other

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participants who knew because I
said, All right, well, we'll

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just continue to build our own
little connections. And we'll

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try and keep our own fees low
and connect directly to each

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other. And I heard from a number
of participants, they said that

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was actually that, you know,
this is that's the way to go.

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That's a smart thing to do to
build a zero fee network, if you

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can. Yes. And then I, I was
allowed to ask the stupid

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question, which no one could
answer was, how do we get a

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connect to wallet. And, of
course, a lot of people roll

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their eyes, but what came out of
it was something extremely

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useful for us. And that is web
ln. And now web ln is I'd say

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it's kind of a hobby project.
It's it's not really being

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maintained. But it's also going
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as they're moving towards
controlling lnd through the web.

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And so there's a number of
things that do that. Now, Joule

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is one Jao ueli and that's a
Chrome extension. And I think

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lnd will basically come out with
their own version of that or

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whatever and so but you still
have to have a node to connect

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to to do that. Then as I'm kind
of and you know, and is no key

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set until the A web ln works is
you have a call to if you have a

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web ln compatible browser,
which, you know, either baked

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into the browser or an
extension, it knows to, if you

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click on a button, let's say
boost button, it's an API call

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to a web ln back end, which sits
on the node. And then it

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executes a payment. And it's
incredibly powerful. Because

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imagine, if you just if your web
browser and this is kind of what

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brave wanted to do, but if if
your web browser had this built

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in and your web browser or any
web browser you use is connected

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to a node somewhere, then you
know, anyone can basically ask

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for payments, they don't need
any anything, anything in the

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middle, you know, you can just
say, hey, you want to you want

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to see this link. up pops a
dialog that's all native to the

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web and in the browser. So
anyone with HTML skills can

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basically create something to to
get paid. The problem is having

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that node off site. And so I was
hunting around and I noticed

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that the blue wallet has an A
web lm browser. And it has a

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little example there. Yeah, you
got to find that under

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marketplace. And yeah, and I
learned that that's how all

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these marketplace apps really
work. Or it's called the LA app

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app, la PP browser, the
lightning app browser has a

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little example page, you can
create an invoice that says,

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hey, you gotta pay this. It can
be targeted amount or range. And

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lo and behold, you create that
page click, you pay it, and you

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basically just paid yourself
through the blue wallet. And I'm

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looking at this, I'm going well,
wait a minute. Here, we have so

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many great web apps, what if we
just pull the web apps in? And

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then make the payments that way?
So instead of connecting to

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wallet, it's kind of like an
iPhone case that goes around the

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web app. That makes sense, like
a clear plastic wrapper that

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really is just obfuscated from
from the experience, because

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it's a browser. So you open an
app, it's really just a browser

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page and a wallet. Right? So you
have an instant payment

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solution. If you add in the key
send part. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, see me play it back to
you. So the web lm port being a

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browser function, you would get
that you're thinking that you

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may get that for free. If it's a
if it's a native, or excuse me,

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if it's a web app, or possibly a
progressive web app?

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Yes, either one will do. But
we're just a web page. I mean,

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just a web page. Let's just say
I just wanted to have a simple

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boost functionality. So the this
web browser that I'm using that

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happens to have a wallet tied
into it that speaks web ln, it

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brings up a page, that pod
friend, and I want to hit boost,

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and I hit the boost. And pod
friend makes a call a local call

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to the app that it's that it's
running in, you know, there's a

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little web server I guess, and
the API and it says pay this to

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this address, and boom, it'll be
done. So So then, in principle,

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you could load up any app in
that browser. Any web app, any

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podcast app that that's a web
app or progressive web app. And

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you can have the logic for the
for the per minute satoshis, the

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streaming SATs run as well.
without a problem, and

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everybody wins. And this is and
this is going to be part of like

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l&d is going to bake this in
somehow. It's like a, it's like

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a sort of like fourth API
interface. Well, so because they

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get g RPC and have rest. Yeah,
definitely. Yeah, they're

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definitely going to build this
in and I'm sure it will, you

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know, so as key sin is
deprecated. Over time, excuse

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me, we get an for the static
invoices, which is basically the

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same. I don't think they'll know
what the call may look a little

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different, but I don't think
it's going to change that much.

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So these web hooks will just be
built in, that'll be built into

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l&d. Then the true magic though,
which I heard outside of this

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meeting is where it's really
going. And that's webassembly.

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And webassembly is a project
that allows you to run a virtual

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machine in a browser and there's
an active an active project. The

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public face of that is simple
coin, simple coin, calm that

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just email registration, but
there's a GitHub and I'll put it

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in a GitHub with a medium
article really I'll put it in

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the show notes and they are
baking an entire neutrino node

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into webassembly. Now there's

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less unless that one seems less
promising to me just because you

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have, like webassembly itself
was just a way to compete as a

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way to compile JavaScript into
native code, right? And so like,

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Oh, I don't, I can, there's
definitely advantages or speed

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advantages. There's, you know,
all kinds of things that go with

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that. But the, the putting the
node into the browser, you, you

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always have this problem of when
you, you just lose everything,

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you lose all state when you
close it, right? I don't know.

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Like, it just seems so if the
browser if the browser closes in

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any way, or the service worker
or anything that's feeding it,

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like it just seems like it's
like you're just toast. It's

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just like, ah, rip the rip power
cord out of your raspy Blitz or

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something.

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Um, so that's a lot of what
they're working on. And neutrino

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is a big part of that. Okay. You
know, because of course, you're

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not going to have, you know,
what is it? How many? What, 600

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gigabytes of chain data store
stored in your browser? I'm not

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sure. I'm just thinking now that
you. I mean, the reason why NF

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T's have taken off so big is
because of meta mask. The meta

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mask is just a browser
extension, boom, you can receive

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aetherium. And you can now
there's a whole different thing

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going on with the lightning
network because of the graph and

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the updating of the channels and
all this stuff has to happen.

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But I think in practice, it
probably would work very similar

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to what what breeze does, you
know, breeze goes into the

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background, it can't do
anything, it can't send the F

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once you bring into the
foreground, then it can do

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stuff. Right. So anyway, this
may all be which which has some

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issues, sometimes totally. Yeah,
I mean, all of this shit has

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issues. And even as I said in
the meeting has had, luckily,

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podcast listeners are so
delighted by what we're doing

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that they're happy to just, you
know, pay three sets in fees to

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get one set to the podcaster. I
said, that's, that's the

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beautiful, beautiful thing about
it. And I hope they take it. And

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I think they take us very
seriously. And certainly people

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in the meeting do. But as I
said, this web ln in general, I

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think is phenomenal. That should
just be your browser. It should

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just be your browser. I'm going
to get an app and what am I I'm

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getting the lightning, wallet
browser. And it works just like

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a browser does everything. But
when you hit something where

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someone has a web ln piece in
there, boom, you can pay for it.

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That's frictionless man. That's
the friction part that you know,

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it's better than scanning a QR
code, which is hard to do on the

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same device.

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No, and then you have you don't
even really need to connect a

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wallet at that point. Because
it's sort of hard. You

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know, it's your you are
connected. Exactly. Now, like

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they can't, can you? Oh, I'm
sorry. Go ahead.

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Please, please

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finish that train. Well, I was
gonna say like, the one thing

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that I was not following clearly
on was there. He was talking

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about, he was at Roy Roy was
talking about neutrino. The

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Nimroz beef was talking about
this ability to have a and I

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think this was on Tuesday,
talking about the ability that

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they're going to try to, they're
putting in some functionality to

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l&d where you will be able to,
to open a channel and get up and

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running with no owns on chain
transaction.

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Yeah, that's the sidecar
channels. That's sidecar. Okay,

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that's right, that that's
something different. I mean, you

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still need a node for that. It's
what that is, is a way to say

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okay, hey, I want to get started
with podcasting. And we'd say,

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cool, get a node and and we'll
open up five channels and really

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those channels are we already
have them. We're just leasing

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them. It's a business thing that
we could also give them away we

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could do it for free. I mean,
but it's it's a way that let's

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call it the Deep Freeze channel.
So you have a channel already

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established, good to go fully
funded, all that shit is done.

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And you know what you need
liquidity instead of this open a

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channel to me Okay, opening a
channel, hey, I can't find you

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on one ml, all this crap.
Instead of that. It's just boom,

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there's your channel. You're
done.

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We you've been doing a bunch of
channel management try like

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stuff on our node to do you want
to talk about what you did?

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Because you I mean, you've been
trying to figure out how best to

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rearrange our channels where We
have I think you said we have

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fewer but bigger channels and
some things. I'm still waiting

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for Eric to transfer the Bitcoin
so I can open up some bigger

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channels and close some smaller
ones. But he may be busy. I

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don't know, it took a while to
clear and all we had Well, yeah.

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Then your financial
institutions? Yeah, there's all

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kinds of KYC AML. Yeah. But in
general, you're trying to get to

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get a, you're following through
on that vision to have a sort

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of, like, minimal fee or as
close to no fee network as Yes,

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yes, so, so exactly that. Now,
the trick is, is to have the

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right channels open to the right
nodes who are really doing this

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type of traffic with us. Because
if you show up as a, as a well

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funded, and we're not, I mean,
we are way underfunded to show

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up on any list, you know,
although we have all the right

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channels, and we have decent
balance in the incoming

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outcoming. For what we're doing.
We're seeing as you know, a

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pimple out there and lightning
land, don't even show up on the

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on the cool analysis tools,
which I also bitched about. But

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because then, you know, if you,
if we don't do it private, which

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I don't want to do, then you
know, we'll be seen as, Oh,

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there's a cheap route. And then
you know, people can be pushing

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through all this liquidity
through two hops in our network,

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and it can, you know, can
deplete channels and do all

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kinds of stuff. So, we may have
to go private, but for now, so

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as an example, we have ln Pei is
really the only channel to

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breathe, that brings into our
ecosystem that is affordable.

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All the other routes are through
these big players and multiple

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hops, who you know, who you
can't even open a channel to,

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because they demand so much
minimum liquidity. And then you

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know, then there's five, five
sets, five hops or whatever in

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between a three set payment. So
that's why breeze has to stack

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them up for so long. And it's
kind of annoying to Ellen pay

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has, has a channel and then we
have a channel to Ellen pay. And

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that one is very active, because
it's shuttling basically breeze

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payments through. And we pass
many of those on to Sphinx chat,

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as does Ellen pay, it all
depends just you know what's

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going on. And so that channel is
just small. So I wind up,

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looping it out, and looping it
back in and just move the

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liquidity from one side to the
other. It's a lot of fun. And I

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really enjoyed doing it. I'm
learning a lot. So I don't

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really have much, much else in
the way of an update there. That

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we're working on opening a
channel directly to breeze,

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right? Yes, yeah. And it's just
they have a 10 million set

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minimum. But I think that'll
that'll really help out a lot.

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Also, with him just being able
to send SATs into our ecosystem,

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you know, so we can, we can pass
it on to Satoshi streams with no

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fee, you know, run. So we don't
need to make money. In fact, our

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routing is down in general, not
quite sure why.

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But we've been saying that since
day one, basically, that you

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know, this is we're gonna try
to, we don't need the fees, no

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fees. No, we're just wanting to
pass traffic.

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Yeah, I think network fees are
appropriate and great. But and

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we may have to look at private
channels so that we don't get

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swamped with with people looking
for a cheap route. Yeah, it is

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possible to do but anyway, this,
this idea of a web browser that

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just has a wallet, oh my god,
what I love that. And so in in

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blue wallet, it has a web
browser, it's just you have to

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dig into find out where it is
that hold that app is quite

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extensive multi SIG wallets has
got all kinds of stuff going on.

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Then I did hear that that might
not ever happen on iOS. As they

425
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,390
read as you know, you can't have
dynamic pages and all this other

426
00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:06,480
crap, probably the same stuff
Martin's running into, they're

427
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,490
really clamping down on on you
being able to you having an app

428
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:15,540
that can access content that is
undetermined at time of

429
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:18,270
submission to the App Store. I
think that's kind of how it

430
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:22,020
looks to a browser. We even had
that with mastodon apps.

431
00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:28,350
Yeah, I find that to be a little
bit of BS, because that, you

432
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,770
know, you can claim that that
security in the same way that

433
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,610
they claimed that will 30% from
the App Store is also because

434
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,890
we're, you know, we're keeping
everything keeping you safe,

435
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400
keeping you safe from the scary
web where you put your credit

436
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,010
card into things and have to,
you know, pay for things and

437
00:29:44,010 --> 00:29:47,370
download them. Yeah, and that's
just to me, that's a little bit

438
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:51,510
of smoke and mirrors. Because
progressive web apps, the real

439
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:55,770
threat to the iOS App Store,
from progressive web apps is

440
00:29:55,770 --> 00:30:00,150
just the lack of the 30% cut.
And we know that you can't When

441
00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:03,600
you have a progressive web app,
there's no, there's no, they

442
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,690
can't wedge themselves in into
the middle of that. And I think

443
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:10,920
that's, you know, we saw this
week, I think Cridland mentioned

444
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,950
that the revenue from the App
Store is now bigger and bigger

445
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:18,330
than the whole of the music
industry. Oh, sure. No sure is

446
00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:20,730
this serious, serious money, and
they're not going to let that

447
00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:25,470
go. In a progressive web app is
a direct threat. I mean, like,

448
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:27,630
you can't get more direct than
that.

449
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:31,350
Right. So well, you know, this
is a court and not to delve into

450
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,870
too long with this. You know,
there's this court case going on

451
00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:38,100
now. And there's testimony about
the value of the App Store. And

452
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,550
the one thing that stuck out for
me was a look at Apple, here's

453
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:45,150
how we look at things. You want
a Mac, you want to live a little

454
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:48,180
dangerously, you want to
possibly get infected, you want

455
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:50,730
to install your own shit, you
want to run it yourself, here's

456
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:55,470
a Mac over an iOS land, we
protect you. And that's fair.

457
00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:58,020
And that's that, but I don't
think that I don't think it is

458
00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,810
fair. I think that's bullcrap.
Look at all the scammy apps that

459
00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:03,720
are on the App Store. I'm not
saying that they're successful.

460
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:10,080
That they're hypocrites, of
course. But you know what? I

461
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,600
like, I could figure out a graph
EOS, I can buy a different phone

462
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,950
people either will will stand
for this shit. And if they want

463
00:31:19,950 --> 00:31:23,190
to be so called Safe and locked
in and, and still and super

464
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:27,450
tracked fine. I have no time to
stand around. Which brings me to

465
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:31,170
the next piece I'm annoyed
about, Oh, please, license block

466
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:35,430
moderate, I'm tired of this
conversation. And great

467
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:38,970
appearance on pod land. I
enjoyed it. I enjoyed it very,

468
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:44,160
very much. But it did bring up
some questions. And you know,

469
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,570
because I think it was James
Cridland from pod news. Boost

470
00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:55,380
who started a week or so ago
about we need the blood tank,

471
00:31:55,500 --> 00:32:00,330
the block tag and and we need
license tag and like what is

472
00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:03,540
going on. Because the thing is,
I've been through this movie

473
00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:08,880
before this, we went through all
of this 15 years ago, where

474
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:13,770
you're you're using my content,
my feed on your site, that's

475
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:17,250
stealing, you're hijacking my
feed. Now when it comes, we

476
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:20,880
already discussed this in the
last show someone taking audio,

477
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:23,580
taking clips out of it hosting
on their own servers, those are

478
00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:27,540
pretty clear. But this is about
the and this is maybe my problem

479
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:31,410
with this topic. It's being
conflated these three things.

480
00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:37,260
It's license in the feed. It's a
block tag in the feed. And

481
00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,470
somehow moderation has to do
with this. And I'm not quite

482
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,160
sure if it's all about
moderation. Or if it's really

483
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,440
all about monetization, or if
it's both. So what I'm seeing is

484
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:53,160
James Cridland saying, as a
creator, you should have the

485
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,240
right to determine where your
content goes. And I want to just

486
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:02,250
stop right there on the
internet. When it comes to a

487
00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:08,610
feed, that's the link. It's not
your content. That's a link. Are

488
00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:11,190
we going to go through that
whole argument again, of

489
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,720
creating laws against deep
linking? We did this already.

490
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,040
Without a link, you don't have
an internet. So it's

491
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,420
preposterous to say I have a I
have content over here and you

492
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:31,650
can't link to it. Well, you're
you're a website that surfaces

493
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,830
the content or you're an
aggregator or you're an index or

494
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:38,910
you're a voting site or
something else. I should have

495
00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:45,030
the right now, do we not want to
ban blogs from having links to I

496
00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:48,270
don't understand where this
thinking comes from other than

497
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:51,870
I'm getting screwed. I want to
monetize and I don't want anyone

498
00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:56,160
else to monetize off of the back
off of my back. And so that goes

499
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,870
right into Well, here's this
show that's being stolen. Well,

500
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:05,370
making my point for me, we came
up with a lock tag. So that that

501
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:08,010
would at least be something that
we could point to this is not

502
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:11,190
supposed to be imported. We
built it for anchor. The whole

503
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:17,910
issue about this searching for
Natasha podcast is is an anchor

504
00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:22,800
based feed. Yeah, I mean, these
guys are the plague. So let's

505
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,260
not pussyfoot around, let's just
say anchor are assholes. Don is

506
00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:32,370
very simple what we've what
we've created for this, but then

507
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,630
really, is it about that? Or is
it about what actually the an

508
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:41,970
index or an aggregator or an app
has at what kind of links it is

509
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,990
maintaining, and that comes into
the moderation part and and I

510
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:49,080
want to play a little piece of
your interview with Sam Sethi

511
00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:53,940
because it was just bizarre how
this how this license block

512
00:34:55,019 --> 00:34:59,129
taking feeds turned into what we
have to be able to moderate.

513
00:34:59,189 --> 00:35:02,039
That's one part All that I
wanted to talk to you about was

514
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:06,089
the plagiarism. And the other
part, though, just to get your

515
00:35:06,089 --> 00:35:08,429
opinion, because I don't think
it's something you directly

516
00:35:08,429 --> 00:35:12,299
involved in. Should podcasting
hosts, though, use auto

517
00:35:12,299 --> 00:35:16,739
transcription and AI to look at
the physical policing of content

518
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:20,129
within podcasts? Or is that
something that bad and might

519
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,529
roll around on the floor and
kick his legs off in

520
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:26,160
the end screen? Also unnecessary
roughness on the field? What

521
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,400
does this leave me out of use of
force? Well, I don't run a

522
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,600
hosting company. Yeah, it's just
odd that that was part two of

523
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,930
this whole issue will continue.
You're not allowed to do that.

524
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,830
It's a free speech platform and
stop trying to prevent that.

525
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:46,500
Because my worry is you're going
to get somebody like Marcio

526
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,170
green, put out a podcast where
she goes, I can say anything I

527
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:51,960
like within this. And it could
be hate speech, it could be

528
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,530
anything.

529
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:56,580
This is where the Brits and the
Americans separate themselves,

530
00:35:56,580 --> 00:36:00,240
man. It can be hate speech, it
can be anything. And this is

531
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,060
this is a real thing. And I just
want to make sure that everyone

532
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:07,950
understands. In my mind, I
follow the constitutional

533
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:12,150
definition of freedom of speech,
which is really stuff the

534
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,060
government cannot do to you, I
can say whatever I want, the

535
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:18,870
government cannot infringe upon
that except for a very narrow

536
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,620
case, such as yelling fire in a
crowded theater when there is no

537
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:27,720
fire. That's still free speech.
But it has, you know, it has

538
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:32,760
issue it has responsibility, as
we would say, hate speech is so

539
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,240
subjective. And when this comes
up in podcasting world, I put my

540
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,250
foot down. And really what I
find hateful or offensive, it

541
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,800
may not be hateful or offensive
to you. And we're gonna this

542
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,350
conversation is going right now.
And I think I know why is

543
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:50,310
because of Israel and Palestine
is raging everywhere. People are

544
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:54,060
yelling back and forth about
this. It's just, it's a never

545
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:57,180
ending fight, just like the
actual situation is never ending

546
00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:03,060
fight. But let's try and keep
this idiocy of hate speech.

547
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:07,440
Which The only examples I ever
hear is Alex Jones and Joe Rogan

548
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,420
hate speech. Okay, Alex

549
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,300
Jones, Alex Jones, is podcasting
to Bono? I mean, we know that

550
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,710
that's it's not chapters. We
built it for him is too bad.

551
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:21,270
He's not there yet. Exactly.
Sorry, good. That didn't know

552
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,120
you're gonna break up? Should we
as podcasters be ready for this

553
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,410
before it becomes a legal issue?
By addressing it in some way? Or

554
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,470
do we have to just wait for
somebody to challenge a hosting

555
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:34,290
company and sue them ultimately.
And that will be where it comes

556
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:37,500
down to if you want to get a
real answer to it. But I don't

557
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:42,240
think that that is really that
much of a thorny issue with us.

558
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:46,560
And our standpoint is, as from a
directory approach, we as the

559
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,170
directory don't want to be
policing it, you don't want your

560
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,500
your routers on the internet, or
your BGP routers, policing

561
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,560
content, those things just need
to pass content and let the

562
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:59,460
policing happen at a higher
layer at the chain. So I think

563
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:04,530
that, really at the at the
hosting company level, each one

564
00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,290
has to make their own decisions,
we see that within DNS too.

565
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:11,100
There's this constant battle and
in the cybersecurity realm of

566
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,040
trying to police, DNS providers.

567
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,870
Exactly DNS providers or trying
to tell people, you can't link

568
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:21,990
to something, you can't have a
collection of links, you can't

569
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:25,290
publish a collection of links,
links are truly the currency of

570
00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:29,040
the internet. Now, if you're, if
you want to make sure that your

571
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,380
feed is not duplicated, that's
where I think of license. And,

572
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,280
and it was interesting to hear
some misconceptions. There's

573
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,950
like, well, what kind of license
what tears? No, no, there's a

574
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:45,120
million licenses out there. I
like Creative Commons, I've used

575
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,930
it successfully in court. And
that could just be for the use

576
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:52,170
of your feed. That's a little
different than the link it's

577
00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:55,290
about, it's for the use of your
feet. And I and you know, just

578
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:58,170
the way we look at podcasts
index is a we're gonna list

579
00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:00,870
everything. If you are the owner
of it, you don't want it there.

580
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,720
Greg will take it down. And soon
we'll have a tool for you to do

581
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,480
that yourself. That's fantastic.
If you don't have to be a part

582
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,460
of that. That's just our choice.

583
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:13,470
Well, I don't think that I know,
let me let me back that up. I

584
00:39:13,470 --> 00:39:17,970
think that you are your instinct
about this is correct, that

585
00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:20,370
there's many things being
conflated. And it really just

586
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:24,300
makes the whole conversation
more difficult. Because you have

587
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:31,770
really three different things.
You have policing of content,

588
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:36,450
meaning hate speech, and all
this kind of stuff. You have

589
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:43,590
licensing of content. And then
you have blocking of who have

590
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:46,920
who can list and where you show
up, I guess it's four things.

591
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,740
And then you have finally fraud.
Right. So like, it's really a

592
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:56,040
whole lot of different things
and it's, it does not help the

593
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,400
conversation to have to have
them sort of all poured into one

594
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,480
mole and like MIT, you know,
mixed around, because they're

595
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,440
really four separate
conversations to be had. So the

596
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,020
lot like the license tag is
great is, in my opinion, great

597
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,080
because you can express a
license in, in the theme. And

598
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,250
you can say, here's what you can
do with my content. legally. I

599
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:22,860
think that's it's, it's not,
it's no different than what we

600
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:26,820
do with open source software.
It's just, it makes sense when

601
00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:32,550
it comes to blocking where you
can be listed, separate issue.

602
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,280
But if you put the block tag in
your feed, and you tried to

603
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,510
express in your feed, I only
want these particular

604
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:50,370
directories and to be able to
list me, that's to me, silly. I

605
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:54,000
think personally, I've already
said, I'm willing to do the blog

606
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,610
tag, I think it's fine. But if
people start using it with a

607
00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:02,370
bunch of shenanigans and
garbage, I'm just gonna stop,

608
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,850
but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
respect the tag that that we

609
00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:06,180
built.

610
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:08,880
Let me just take take one thing
out of the equation here. If

611
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,100
you're worried about your
content being stolen, that has

612
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,430
been solved, it was solved many
years ago. It's called Digital

613
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:18,450
Rights Management go to Spotify,
you can put it there, you'll be

614
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:22,800
safe. You can have it running in
their in their system, go to

615
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,760
Apple do subscription. It's all
DRM, and then your content will

616
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,600
never get stolen. I mean, that's
easy, easy, if you want if you

617
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:37,740
want to live dangerously, just
like Microsoft grew big, not

618
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:41,970
just because of their tactics
and their dominance over with

619
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,530
hardware manufacturers. piracy
was an important part of their

620
00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:51,690
global domination. The no agenda
show has a policy, do whatever

621
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:55,620
you want, we wouldn't be a
quarter of the size. If we had

622
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:58,380
said Oh, no, you can't do that.
Oh, no, please, you can't you

623
00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:00,870
can't have a player there. We
you can't set up a witness. We

624
00:42:00,870 --> 00:42:04,650
encouraged it. We did the
opposite. We said Go for it. And

625
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:08,280
then if you make any money, send
us some. It's not necessarily

626
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:12,240
the IRS looks at us and goes
Boy, you guys have very

627
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:19,170
irregular income. Very strange
was sure, exactly. But it's it's

628
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,010
you got to go all in or not. I
don't think there's a there's a

629
00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:27,030
middle ground when it comes to
all of these issues piracy

630
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:30,210
included in look at anchor. I
mean, if anything, we should

631
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,720
outlaw free shit. That's the
problem. Everyone, everyone's

632
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,360
like, Hey, you get what you pay
for everyone goes to anchor and

633
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,410
it's difficult to do things and
it sucks. And that's okay. But

634
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:42,870
also their plague their Scourge?

635
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,850
Well, the industry, the industry
has expressed that they don't

636
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:50,700
want their content stolen. So
that you know, quote, unquote,

637
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,320
stolen. And we built a tag for
it. And now it's time to just

638
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,920
start the industry itself to
start public publicly shaming.

639
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:04,590
And I plan to actually play a
part in that. Because what I'm

640
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,070
going to do is, I've already
started kind of figuring this

641
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:13,530
out yesterday, what I started
thinking about was watching for

642
00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:18,450
these Feed URL changes, and when
things move from, from a paid

643
00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:24,150
host to a free host. And all
this, you know, if when, when

644
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:28,710
that happens, if the lock tag
was in place, when that

645
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:33,060
transition happened, then I'm
going to you'll know, you'll

646
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:35,550
know what happened. Yeah, I
don't know what I'm going to do

647
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:37,950
with it. But I'm going to pass
it along to me, no industry

648
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:40,800
needs that kind of thing. And
we'll and we'll just to give

649
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,860
people a heads up or I'll pass
it along to the host I'll tell

650
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:49,290
if somebody went from blueberry
to anchor and they had the the

651
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,920
lock tag and anchor didn't
respect that, then I'll just let

652
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,170
Todd know, or somebody and just
say, hey, here, I'll just start

653
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:58,230
feeding people stuff and saying
this is what's going on. Because

654
00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:02,340
I mean, that's the only way to
not fix it. You know, that's not

655
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:04,620
going to happen. But that's the
only way to get any traction

656
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,860
because there's no legal stuff
here. It's only it's got to be

657
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,420
the industry policing itself.

658
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:13,710
There is there's definitely a
way to do that. And we will be

659
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,400
there one day, it'll it'll take
it'll take a bit. But one of

660
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,270
these days, there's going to be
enough of our apps, we'll just

661
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:26,370
call them our apps, our team,
team FAQ. And we're gonna say

662
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:29,550
you know what, everyone's gonna
block everything from anchor

663
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:32,340
sorry, if your podcast is there,
you're not going to work on any

664
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:34,680
of these apps because they're
dickheads you want to see

665
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440
someone something change real
fast. When people start moving,

666
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,670
it's easy to move. And then the
people who don't care who cares

667
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:45,510
about them anyway. We would have
that power, all of the

668
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:47,130
collective apps would have that
power.

669
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:54,630
They The fourth is a sort of
that fourth leg is the the hate

670
00:44:54,630 --> 00:45:00,180
speech thing. And that is to me,
right like at this moment in

671
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:05,550
history, that is such a
prescient discussion, because

672
00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:08,910
the one thing that we've seen
over the past week and this is

673
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:14,220
just like the most perfect
example I can imagine is the

674
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:20,190
whole thing with walking back.
The Wu Han lab Coronavirus Lake.

675
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,820
Yeah, you know, I don't want to
get all Fenton into na

676
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:29,610
territory. But you walk this we
have seen the entire world now

677
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:34,350
walking back from Oh, you
thought Coronavirus was a was a

678
00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:38,670
Wu Han lab Lake your kooky
conspiracy? You're no you're

679
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,720
you're d platformed. Yeah, your
D platform go back six months

680
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:48,090
ago. Go back six months ago and
if you were on YouTube, and you

681
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:51,870
were spreading quote unquote,
Coronavirus, misinformation,

682
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:58,080
man, they would hammer you. You
got d platformed. Instantly, no

683
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,350
questions asked of us. I've got
a long Reddit thread that I've

684
00:46:01,350 --> 00:46:04,710
never actually brought up on
this on the show. But I've got a

685
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:08,040
long Reddit thread that I
printed out of this guy who was

686
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,940
like, I got d platformed. Nobody
will respond to me. I never said

687
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:16,260
anything other than just, you
know, basic information about

688
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:19,530
the virus. They get automated.
The thing that Sam was talking

689
00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:23,100
about the auto transcription in
flagged it, they pulled it down

690
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,430
and he was he was banned and he
was banned for like three weeks

691
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,130
with no explanation whatsoever.
He's like I didn't say anything

692
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:34,140
wrong. So that you know, they've
taken it back to the Coronavirus

693
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:37,830
Lab Lake thing. Now all of a
sudden I've got this article

694
00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:42,810
right here. It says you were
PolitiFact retracted. It's Wu

695
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:47,160
Han lab theory fat check.
Washington Post also retract has

696
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,760
retracted there's now all so all
these fact checkers that were

697
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,870
claiming the dozen nutjob kooky
conspiracy theory about the lab

698
00:46:54,870 --> 00:47:00,240
leak are now reversing their
fact check to from you know,

699
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:06,420
from false to maybe. And in the
process. Potentially lots of

700
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:11,370
creators were deep platformed
and lost a livelihood, because

701
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,310
these dudes got it wrong. Okay,
litical legends, so

702
00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:19,950
not just creators, doctors,
doctors, scientists. And that

703
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:26,850
last point is the point. fact
checking facts, truth,

704
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,930
information changes over time.
So for the fact checkers to say,

705
00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:35,550
you know what, we're reversing
this fair game. But that's not

706
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:38,460
fair. When you're throwing
people off platforms because of

707
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:41,790
it. That's that's the part
that's the problem, like, Oh,

708
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:47,220
you fact check false and you're
out. And when it comes to

709
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:51,630
something as subjective as hate
speech, and and, and this is

710
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:55,740
part of why this is Mission
number one is, you know, the

711
00:47:55,980 --> 00:48:00,810
reason I want to stay relevant,
Dave is to it's all political. I

712
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:05,280
just want to make sure alex
jones can be heard. But the

713
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:12,540
prevalence of this topic, and
and the Cavalier pneus, with

714
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:16,380
which hate speech is used and
discussed amongst very smart

715
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:21,660
people, I have a clip is
disturbing. This is my favorite

716
00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:25,620
hate cast. Because I hate them.
I hate the podcast. And so

717
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:28,320
whenever a new episode, I wish I
could boost because I'd hate

718
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,970
boost. I would hate this thing.
I would hate boosting all over

719
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:38,460
this thing. I just be jisan SATs
on them is sway pivot from Kara

720
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:43,230
Swisher who as you know, when
podcasting was first introduced,

721
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:45,900
the first thing she said is,
well, how do we make sure that

722
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:50,820
no naughty content? Can she get
camp? So she's been a moderator

723
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:56,100
and an ad platformer from day
one. And Scott Galloway, who I

724
00:48:56,100 --> 00:49:01,080
think is very smart guy. He's
incredibly wealthy and arrogant.

725
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:07,200
So that gives me an extra hate
hate thing. But there's a lot of

726
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,010
good information, a lot of
interesting takes on stories

727
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:17,040
they come from, from things.
It's not even a we may have

728
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,220
political differences, but
that's unimportant. It is it is

729
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:26,340
truly about the words they use.
And this was an example when it

730
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:30,210
comes to Russia, because of
course Russia very, very bad.

731
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:36,570
And now Google had fined Russia,
Russia had find Google $80,000

732
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:40,830
for not removing some content or
putting something whatever it

733
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:46,350
was. It was about moderation
moderating, and or removing or

734
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:51,540
adding content in Russia. But
bottom line moderating and

735
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:52,980
here's what they had to say
about it.

736
00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:55,290
This is a country right? It's
not a big business for Google.

737
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,270
Russia is a big business. I
think Russia has more to lose

738
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:59,850
here in that regard. But it's
not just Russia. It's India,

739
00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:02,730
like They're doing stuff in New
Zealand, Australia, like this

740
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:06,510
Canada like and then eventually,
laterally. Yeah, they're all

741
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:09,720
like talking about various and
sundry things about, you know,

742
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,630
in, in, in the in the
democracies. It's like hate

743
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:16,140
speech needs to be controlled in
Russia. It's don't talk about

744
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:19,380
the like, yeah, that's right. So
which speech needs to be

745
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:21,630
controlled speech needs to be
controlled is really the bottom

746
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:23,610
line, although it's different
speech and I think you and I

747
00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:25,950
would probably go Yeah, hate
speech is being trolled. No

748
00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:28,920
letting it only take you know, I
mean, that's the problem here.

749
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,190
That's

750
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:31,950
the nuance that no one wants to
talk about. Now we'll talk about

751
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,350
it, professor. In a democracy,
you want to moderate hate

752
00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:42,000
speech. That's the most
contradictory thing I've heard

753
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,690
in my life.

754
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:51,360
That I've got a clip that I've
been hauling around for a little

755
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:56,730
bit. Obama on free speech 2012.
Now I know that not all

756
00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:00,300
countries in this body share
this particular understanding of

757
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:04,980
the protection of free speech,
we recognize that. But in 2012,

758
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,620
at a time when anyone with a
cell phone can spread offensive

759
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:14,580
views around the world with a
click of a button, the notion

760
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:19,650
that we can control the flow of
information is obsolete. Not

761
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:20,640
according to Kara,

762
00:51:22,050 --> 00:51:26,910
at some point between 2012 and
now, the dialogue changed from

763
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:33,390
Hey, this is free speech. just
deal with it, too. Oh, we can do

764
00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:37,230
this. They can moderate every
word that comes out of

765
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:43,380
everybody's mouth. Yeah. And
that, too. So they're, you know,

766
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:48,510
this, this whole thing of the
the PolitiFact retractions, the

767
00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:51,810
same thing, I brought this up a
few months ago, the same thing

768
00:51:51,810 --> 00:51:55,290
happened with or not the same
thing. But a similar issue

769
00:51:55,290 --> 00:52:00,990
happened with Joe Biden in his
track record on the was the

770
00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:07,530
crime bill Granville Yep. And
there was a lot of the the other

771
00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:11,310
democrat nominees in the in the
race for the White House. Were

772
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:17,850
all all almost were claiming
that his crime bill led to mass

773
00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:23,670
incarceration of blacks. Well,
you know, the, the all if you

774
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:26,460
did a survey of all the fact
checking organizations,

775
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,370
he was all over the map. Do you
realize that even just the fact

776
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:32,400
that you said blacks and not
African American, the transcript

777
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,280
will be flagged? And this
episode would be at best delayed

778
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,120
for release?

779
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:43,110
That is the very, you know, it
was all over the map. It's true.

780
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,150
Bart's maybe, perhaps there was
no consistency course

781
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:48,810
whatsoever.

782
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:53,640
Course not. Of course. It's It's
so subjective, but it's also

783
00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:54,780
pathetic.

784
00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:58,649
And I mean, like when you when
you're when you're fat check,

785
00:52:58,709 --> 00:53:03,719
this is when this is what I
mentioned to Sam. When it's not

786
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,759
about what you find. It's about
what you do with it when you

787
00:53:08,759 --> 00:53:09,689
find it. Yes.

788
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,960
I heard you say that. Exactly.
Then what So okay, we found that

789
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,700
we found the bigger fence now
what?

790
00:53:16,469 --> 00:53:23,759
Yeah, that's the thing is so so
this, this podcast that got the

791
00:53:23,789 --> 00:53:27,119
get delisted, I don't know if it
nobody still knows what what the

792
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:32,759
problem was. But this podcast
was called searching fight

793
00:53:32,759 --> 00:53:37,349
finding Natasha. No, no hidden.
Something different. Sorry.

794
00:53:37,919 --> 00:53:42,209
Yeah. Okay. So this, the host of
this, this podcast is called

795
00:53:42,209 --> 00:53:45,239
hidden something I can't
remember hidden agendas, or I

796
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,639
don't remember that. He said,
I've podcast was 1600 35

797
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,999
ratings. 5.0 average, been
around for five years. And the

798
00:53:53,999 --> 00:53:57,239
podcast is no longer showing up
on the mobile app on the apple

799
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,229
podcast mobile app. And he said,
he followed it up and he said,

800
00:54:01,409 --> 00:54:04,649
the episode mentioned the
Israeli Palestinian conflict,

801
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:08,459
could this have caused it to be
censored? any links to the right

802
00:54:08,459 --> 00:54:12,419
Right, right. Right. Right. You
know, and the thing is, like, I

803
00:54:12,419 --> 00:54:15,839
was talking when I was talking
to Sam, I'm like, okay, so you

804
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:19,649
have maybe you have a podcast
host based based based in

805
00:54:19,649 --> 00:54:23,279
Israel. Maybe you have another
one based in Palestine. Maybe

806
00:54:23,279 --> 00:54:28,679
you have one in the United
States. Well, each one of those

807
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:33,299
organizations is had they have
to be responsible for this. The

808
00:54:33,299 --> 00:54:37,319
local your local, these kinds of
decisions have to be hyper

809
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:43,289
local. They cannot be anything
broad based that that you can

810
00:54:43,289 --> 00:54:46,859
have like a you can just plug in
like content moderation system

811
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:51,089
and have it do the work for you.
Because if let's just say that

812
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:59,159
you did get d platformed. From a
Israeli podcast host for saying

813
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,189
something that they thought was
potentially dangerous or hate

814
00:55:02,189 --> 00:55:05,519
speech or something like that?
Well, then you can move to

815
00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,499
another host. Like

816
00:55:08,969 --> 00:55:12,389
that. I mean, in the United
States where I think so a lot of

817
00:55:12,389 --> 00:55:16,259
hosting takes place, there is a
protection under Section 230.

818
00:55:16,859 --> 00:55:20,249
The host has doesn't have to do
anything, they don't have to

819
00:55:20,249 --> 00:55:25,379
concern themselves. There's no
liability. All of that is fine.

820
00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:29,279
They don't have to worry about
it at all. It's not the same

821
00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:33,449
everywhere. But it's just it's a
non issue. Why would they have

822
00:55:33,449 --> 00:55:36,779
to do that unless that they
unless they are being contacted

823
00:55:36,779 --> 00:55:40,589
by some content police, headed
by Kara Swisher in some kind of

824
00:55:40,589 --> 00:55:43,169
cop uniform? with chains?

825
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:49,020
Yeah, I can, I can tell you
this. We think I've mentioned

826
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:53,460
this before. Now, my wife is is
basically a civil rights

827
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:58,650
activist. And we do lots of
stuff with the black community

828
00:55:58,650 --> 00:56:03,780
here in Birmingham. And we were
at a thing about three weeks

829
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:10,260
ago, it was like a, this was
like, read as a survey of a few

830
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:12,630
of the black civil rights
leaders in Birmingham, which if

831
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:16,530
you know, any of the history of
Birmingham, Alabama, I mean,

832
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:21,300
like this was the era for civil
rights. Just absolute black

833
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:27,090
civil rights heroes were born
and lived here. So there was a

834
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:31,770
guy from the Birmingham civil
rights Institute, they're doing

835
00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:35,610
an overview of four different
figures that were prominent in

836
00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:38,610
Birmingham civil rights. You
know, one of them was, it was

837
00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,030
Angela Davis, she was here. She
was actually born here in

838
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:45,900
Birmingham. I don't know if
anybody knows that. But the this

839
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:51,390
guy did a survey. And it was the
audience was mostly white man is

840
00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:58,140
probably an 8020. In the sense
you got was we just want to have

841
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:02,400
open dialogue, want to have be
able to talk to each other

842
00:57:02,490 --> 00:57:06,300
without fear? And we, you know,
I see that all all over the

843
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:12,120
place these political, the
political activists on social

844
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:18,450
media have stirred up so much
distrust the the social media

845
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:23,400
race war, it's been, it's been
so detrimental. And I love them.

846
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,520
That's one of the things I love
about Moe. is these all the time

847
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,160
saying, you know, when he's
quoting Malcolm X by saying we

848
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,530
need to sit down together at the
same table and talk without

849
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:36,090
fear? That's 100%. Right? Well,
you have content moderation

850
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:39,720
systems, just sort of slowly
churning in the background,

851
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,910
flagging people, deep platform,
people, all this kind of stuff.

852
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,720
He does, then you take it out,
and there's no, there's no

853
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,340
humanity in that at all.

854
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,120
That's exactly right. And it's
so deep, as I noticed, during

855
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:58,050
the show with Moe, that we were
we are completely everything's

856
00:57:58,050 --> 00:58:02,010
on the table with us. And so
I'll say like, Hey, man, I feel

857
00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:05,970
really uncomfortable about this
certain situation. And here's

858
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:09,840
how I approach it. And here's
what I think in a black American

859
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,220
white American scenario. And
he'll say, well, it's odd

860
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:17,340
because I have exactly these
feelings on my side. And I'm

861
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:21,300
afraid to say this or that. And
it's all because of this, this

862
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:25,290
lack of dialogue because of the
policing of words, that you're

863
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:28,440
not seeing it right and might
offend someone by using the

864
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:34,140
wrong terminology or pronoun.
And it's, it's it anyway.

865
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:39,150
podcasting is a place for
everybody, I really don't care.

866
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:44,100
I don't think moderation will
ever work. The only reason to

867
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:47,610
moderate is to keep advertisers
happy. That's the only reason to

868
00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:51,330
do it. And that's why it happens
is ultimately advertisers want

869
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:53,970
nothing to do with controversy
of any kind.

870
00:58:55,980 --> 00:59:00,420
There are definitely things that
I don't want to listen to at all

871
00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:03,059
right, so guess what, you
probably don't listen to it.

872
00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:08,190
I don't know. I don't know. And
the The other thing about the

873
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:14,460
the quantity the number of those
things is very small. Like the

874
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:21,420
number of podcasts out there
that are truly and I mean, truly

875
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:26,760
offensive like in a way where
you can tell the person is an

876
00:59:26,790 --> 00:59:31,770
actual psychopath that and I
mean that in the in the medical

877
00:59:31,770 --> 00:59:36,480
sense those things are very rare
some of my favorites

878
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,040
I love those the complete crate
you know there was a I got a

879
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,810
note this morning someone I know
agenda social. Tonight you are

880
00:59:45,810 --> 00:59:50,040
viewing moderating contact. So
we talking about well, I had

881
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,220
this whole thing about Palestine
versus Israel, and then all of a

882
00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:56,640
sudden that thread is gone. And
I said, Well, maybe the other

883
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,720
guy blocked you and maybe he
deleted his posts. Which deletes

884
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,600
the children of that post. It's,
you know, what do you want me to

885
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,260
say? And he's, that should be a
record, pre record of this

886
01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:15,570
conversation. So who exactly so
that to me is also the lunacy.

887
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:18,570
It's mental, it's a mental
issue, you're addicted to

888
01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:21,420
something, you're addicted to
some kind of controversy or

889
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:24,780
something you need to have or
you miss it. No, maybe you're

890
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:28,200
missing something else in your
life. It's just not that

891
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,490
important. And

892
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:32,370
you take Brandon brown of
London, do you know g living in

893
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:35,640
Israel? He, you know, he'll be
the first one to tell you, you

894
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,540
know, the Holocaust deniers and
those kind of folks He's like, I

895
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:41,610
think the most effective
strategy for those guys is

896
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:45,720
ridicule. He's like, I don't, I
don't I don't want to shut him

897
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,300
up. Because it makes him more
dangerous. He's like, I just

898
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:48,570
want to

899
01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:51,240
sit back and laugh at him.
Bottom line is all this

900
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,870
divisiveness is done for a
reason. It's this divide and

901
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:57,840
conquer is we're all bickering
we're all doing stupid shit. And

902
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,920
we're not getting on with our
mission. So let's move on with

903
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,450
the mission, shall we? How about
that?

904
01:01:05,969 --> 01:01:07,049
Yeah, no, no,

905
01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:11,340
no, no, no. We need to bring
some sexy back into the show.

906
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:16,830
What do you want to do? Well,
what are your closing closing

907
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:22,500
the phase? Which is that face?
Three, three. Yeah. So there's

908
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:31,290
going to be same license.
trailer, and alternate

909
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:34,590
enclosure. Ooh, okay. An
alternate enclosure is big,

910
01:01:34,590 --> 01:01:41,580
because then we can move forward
with the video with na tube to

911
01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:44,040
have different resolutions,
right? That's one use.

912
01:01:44,699 --> 01:01:47,189
Yes. So it's got a few Yeah,
it's got a few different uses.

913
01:01:47,189 --> 01:01:51,749
Like this is sort of a real
Swiss Army knife. And the so a

914
01:01:51,749 --> 01:01:55,709
few just off the top a few uses
you can have we do have low

915
01:01:55,709 --> 01:02:01,259
bitrate versions of or higher
bit or higher. Yeah, low or

916
01:02:01,259 --> 01:02:05,339
high. have different audio
content or video content. You

917
01:02:05,339 --> 01:02:11,369
can have alternate streams like
something like a director's cut

918
01:02:11,369 --> 01:02:16,649
or our commentary track, things
like that. You can have

919
01:02:16,919 --> 01:02:22,589
different aspects like different
resolutions of the basically any

920
01:02:24,089 --> 01:02:28,079
different type of media
experience this related to that.

921
01:02:28,110 --> 01:02:31,200
Let me ask you a question. Just
something just hit me. So it can

922
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,960
be any content type? Yeah. Any
content type? Yes. So just a

923
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,970
crazy crazy question. Could it
be a content type Could it be a

924
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:47,850
file that has a chat room
transcript synchronized to the

925
01:02:47,850 --> 01:02:58,440
playback does have to be pure
playable media.

926
01:02:59,969 --> 01:03:04,229
Yeah, that's not that's not
really gonna happen with

927
01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:09,029
alternating closure that No, I
don't think so.

928
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:14,489
Okay. All right. It was just a
crazy idea throughout their day

929
01:03:14,489 --> 01:03:19,919
this look oh, Dave's going to
the archive by the way. When I

930
01:03:19,919 --> 01:03:24,869
saw your your walls. Do you live
in the same place that Tim does

931
01:03:24,869 --> 01:03:28,409
from Ellen pay? Because it looks
very similar. Does he have

932
01:03:28,409 --> 01:03:33,779
possums also delphis possums but
I see the the exposed insulation

933
01:03:33,929 --> 01:03:37,739
in the woods. Bear light bulbs
and stuff like,

934
01:03:37,769 --> 01:03:43,559
huh? Yeah. Don't ask my wife
about that. She's not real happy

935
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,449
with the state of our house
right now. Yeah, I'm

936
01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:47,460
sure the possum wasn't a winter
weather either.

937
01:03:47,909 --> 01:03:51,689
Oh, no, no, that's not going
over Well, let's see type one

938
01:03:51,689 --> 01:03:55,919
looking at the attributes here.
Type length bit rate. You can

939
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:58,199
specify these different
attributes on the alternate

940
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,779
enclosure, but it can be a
torrent it can be a torrent as

941
01:04:00,779 --> 01:04:05,279
well. Correct? Yes, different.
Okay, so he's got in here

942
01:04:05,279 --> 01:04:11,129
different codecs. Yes, a tour
like dill. You can have

943
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:14,519
different if you want to serve
your well. Here's another use

944
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:19,469
case if you wanted to have your
base enclosure be HTTPS. But

945
01:04:19,469 --> 01:04:23,309
then you also wanted to serve
another version over ipfs. Okay.

946
01:04:24,569 --> 01:04:28,229
Perfect, perfect. And then you
could have audio and video both.

947
01:04:28,229 --> 01:04:29,159
Here's a question.

948
01:04:30,389 --> 01:04:35,189
A web app that if I'm using a
web app using brave and brave

949
01:04:35,189 --> 01:04:40,169
has the ipfs switched on? It
should understand the

950
01:04:40,169 --> 01:04:41,849
alternative link natively,
right?

951
01:04:43,469 --> 01:04:47,819
That isn't good. Wow, that's
fucking cool. Would that be? The

952
01:04:47,819 --> 01:04:55,019
only question would be whether
or not brave could interpret

953
01:04:55,289 --> 01:05:01,619
what the file was supposed to
be? Like, when you when you

954
01:05:01,619 --> 01:05:06,149
deliver a binary attachment,
they call it an attachment in

955
01:05:06,149 --> 01:05:12,899
HTTP parlance, when you deliver
a binary attachment, you can you

956
01:05:12,899 --> 01:05:17,429
specify in the response header,
I'm sorry, I'm doing all this on

957
01:05:17,429 --> 01:05:18,149
the fly and in your

958
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:23,550
in your cap file knows what app
to open. The dot dot cap file

959
01:05:23,550 --> 01:05:29,910
wasn't that it doesn't see a B,
the dot c gap, I think was like

960
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:33,450
a Unix thing. I don't know
that's you're going farther back

961
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:33,840
than me.

962
01:05:36,929 --> 01:05:40,889
So when you deliver a file over
a binary file over HTTP, you can

963
01:05:40,889 --> 01:05:43,889
specify the response header,
what the MIME type is, and then

964
01:05:43,889 --> 01:05:46,469
also what the content so I think
it's called the content

965
01:05:46,469 --> 01:05:51,539
disposition header. And that
tells when you open it in line,

966
01:05:51,539 --> 01:05:55,349
or download it as an attachment,
or download it as a file

967
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:58,049
download, which basically, you
know, just saves it to your

968
01:05:58,049 --> 01:06:01,439
machine, instead of delivering
it to the browser viewport.

969
01:06:01,949 --> 01:06:06,479
Right, right. Right, handled as
me as content. By the way it was

970
01:06:06,509 --> 01:06:10,289
it was a dot Domain Dot male
pcap file. I'm sorry. Oh, male

971
01:06:10,289 --> 01:06:14,969
cat. That's just like, this is
the inbox for us to know, what's

972
01:06:14,969 --> 01:06:19,949
a little box format? Yeah. The
mail capabilities file. And

973
01:06:20,459 --> 01:06:24,689
that's it. So that that would be
the only question is whether or

974
01:06:24,689 --> 01:06:31,709
not brave has the ability to
pull some sort of control

975
01:06:31,709 --> 01:06:36,059
directive out of the returned
thing in ipfs? Because ipfs to

976
01:06:36,059 --> 01:06:41,219
my knowledge doesn't have
anything like a header, like a

977
01:06:41,219 --> 01:06:44,249
response header that can tell
the browser what to do with it.

978
01:06:44,249 --> 01:06:44,459
Right.

979
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:49,860
Well, here's the good news. I'm
looking now i i have dmws with

980
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,170
Brendan Eich. Oh, great for me
from brave, right. Yeah, yeah.

981
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:58,050
Yeah, he's the inventor of
JavaScript. Yeah. So I'll just

982
01:06:58,050 --> 01:07:01,860
say, hey, Brandon, fix this for
us. Will you damage done by

983
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:02,400
Monday?

984
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:05,940
I wonder Sam Sethi knows him
because Sam used to work at

985
01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:07,770
Mozilla a bit. They were around
at the same time.

986
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:12,270
Oh, really? Maybe? Maybe? Yeah.
But you know, he it's not I

987
01:07:12,270 --> 01:07:15,030
don't know, man. He's probably
persona non grata. he's a he's a

988
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:18,630
homophobe. Oh, yeah. Brandon.
Yeah. forgot about that. Yeah,

989
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:22,470
he gave money to some company.
That's some outfit political

990
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:26,220
outfit. That's homophobes can't
be with him anymore. Yeah.

991
01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:29,310
That's at least that's what he
was the platform for whether it

992
01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:31,740
was true or not. I don't know.
Okay, that's,

993
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,770
yeah. So anyway, that's the
that's the alternate enclosure.

994
01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:44,730
That has to be that's step one.
of getting to. It's not just

995
01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:46,860
step one of getting this other
thing. I mean, it's it's a

996
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:53,790
badass tag, but it is also step
one of getting to where we want

997
01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:59,040
to go with a lot the live stream
part. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

998
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:05,430
And then pod, pod pain will
take. We're gonna hopefully

999
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:06,480
evolve that

1000
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:11,070
thing. Being a live alert
system. Yeah. Yeah. And also,

1001
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:15,600
you gotta stay gotta stop. All
right. Dave Jones, you have done

1002
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,670
such an incredible job with pod
Ping. Not only so you have

1003
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,850
you've, you string it out Brian
of London. Of course. Lots of

1004
01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:27,720
people helped. But you oversaw
the project strung it together.

1005
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,340
You personally reaching out to
the hosts to make sure that they

1006
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,080
they start pinging us and you're
doing PR for it? What about

1007
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,040
bamboo appeals? You went on? The
pod land show? Oh, yeah, that's

1008
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,220
right. That's when you went on
just for just for yucks. No, you

1009
01:08:44,220 --> 01:08:47,100
went on. I gotta teach you so
much on. That's promotion.

1010
01:08:47,670 --> 01:08:52,050
autopilot. I'm on autopilot.
Now. Congratulations, man. This

1011
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:57,750
is a very, very, very big deal.
Yeah, I think so. I think it is

1012
01:08:57,750 --> 01:09:01,020
a big deal. It has lifted off. I
mean, we've got a few of the

1013
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:04,410
biggest hosts on board already.
Now we just need to start

1014
01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:05,430
shaming the rest.

1015
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:10,110
That's what I told Sam yesterday
is when I start adding this

1016
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:13,770
started adding it up. I've got
my sheet here. They pull up a

1017
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:15,360
sheet. In fact,

1018
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:21,750
we are single handedly saving
tons of carbon. We should get

1019
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:26,370
carbon credits for what we're
doing. Honestly. Eric, Eric,

1020
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:29,490
Eric, get us some carpet. Yes,
you can trade those. You can

1021
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:37,560
trade them for Dogecoin for bad.
Take bad. I'd finally turn that

1022
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,560
on. I'm like I need some bat.
Just I want to collect some bat.

1023
01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:42,810
Almost nothing.

1024
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:46,770
Good to see that's how you buy
hive, evidently is you you get

1025
01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:50,790
traded carbon credits to get a
bag to move into Dogecoin to

1026
01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:55,500
finally buy hive. I was just
wanting to buy some hive the

1027
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,970
other day. Oh my god. It's not
easy. I know, bro. Brian Brown.

1028
01:10:00,390 --> 01:10:04,830
Stop complaining about lightning
ever bought hive before? He is

1029
01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:10,680
impossible. No, no, no, don't
make him post about it. Don't

1030
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:19,200
make it post. Okay. The Yes. So
the top 25 hosting companies are

1031
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,430
collectively responsible for 3.4
million out of the 3.8 million

1032
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:28,620
fees we have. So I mean, if if
those top 25 guys start pod

1033
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:31,890
pinging, he could homeless shut
down all aggregators. I mean,

1034
01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:34,470
you can have like one aggregator
sitting in the closet doing the

1035
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:37,860
rest of them. And 10 minutes I
keep,

1036
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,120
I keep pinging Apple podcasts on
Twitter. Say, Hey, you know,

1037
01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,900
every single time someone says,
hey, how come? How come my

1038
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:49,440
podcast hasn't shown up yet? I
say they're working fine over

1039
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,100
here. new podcast apps calm and
Apple you're more than welcome

1040
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:56,790
to tie into pod paying. Come on,
it'll save you money. I mean,

1041
01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:00,780
they can do it overnight and
then focus on those edge cases

1042
01:11:00,780 --> 01:11:04,530
and get those with your crawler.
I don't want to think about how

1043
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:09,060
much carbon is being spewed into
the atmosphere smothering Greta

1044
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,730
tune Barry, because of the apple
crawler.

1045
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,860
That said there's three there's
three pod things servers

1046
01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:25,140
currently us Europe, Australia.
See what I'm doing. Sexy Yeah, I

1047
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:30,300
got one local I see your baits
upside down. But

1048
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:34,500
and he's doing business strategy
ladies and gentlemen. He's a

1049
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:38,790
powerhouse Wait, donate boost.
Come on everybody. Here's your

1050
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:42,180
cue to boost you know you want
to

1051
01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:47,970
I've got speaking of boost.
Okay, I've got three I did not

1052
01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:51,780
know Dame Jennifer was gonna do
that. So I've got I've got a

1053
01:11:52,230 --> 01:11:58,380
boost jingle that I did. Oh,
there but I've seen variation.

1054
01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:03,450
three variations of this. Are
you doing audio production now

1055
01:12:03,450 --> 01:12:08,820
as well? I mean, why am I even
showing up? Well, the This is

1056
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:14,160
Fauci. Because he says it 1000
times a day he does get to have

1057
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:20,910
a Fauci bass boost. So that's
one boost. Boost. Okay, now

1058
01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:26,910
number two, boost. I'd like that
with a proof proof. Okay, so

1059
01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:30,420
number three is sweetened up
with a little bit of confetti

1060
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:36,750
boost that didn't come across
very well. Now. That doesn't

1061
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:39,990
quite work. I don't know what do
you think one two or three well

1062
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:40,650
boost.

1063
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:47,070
Boost I think to two has a funny
little like pumpkin, but we need

1064
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:53,940
a little extra extra just as
effects and number three came

1065
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:56,460
across like a hiss and it was
supposed to be confetti. Let me

1066
01:12:56,460 --> 01:13:01,260
see. Well, how about this, we
could also do a combo deal here

1067
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:09,090
we could do booze. cruise
missile action. Number two

1068
01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:12,510
sounds like it's supposed to be
a core part. But it sounds like

1069
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:21,330
Fauci is in the in the bathroom
drop. dropping a deuce booze can

1070
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:25,560
go on forever. Anyway, that's my
contribution to the Django

1071
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,330
scenario. Very nice. We need an
honor. I was thinking about this

1072
01:13:30,330 --> 01:13:33,690
though, we need some kind of
onboarding doc. Something that

1073
01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:37,200
may be similar to the value for
value.io that I did just

1074
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,110
explains here's what it is. I
mean, I'm sure you have it, but

1075
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,420
it's something we could point
people to so they can harass

1076
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:45,690
other people about it to get it
done. Something that can send to

1077
01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:50,580
Tim Cook which I'm sure is t
cook@apple.com.

1078
01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:54,810
Yeah, then that's probably not a
mailbox that gets a lot of

1079
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:55,230
email.

1080
01:13:57,060 --> 01:14:02,700
By the way of jobs was literally
s jobs@apple.com. Was he I have

1081
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:08,730
it still I have that I when I
was gonna go meet with him. I I

1082
01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:13,770
signed up for Apple Mail so I
had Adam curry@mac.com I think

1083
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,940
cuz I for sure didn't want to
you know, I want to seem like

1084
01:14:17,940 --> 01:14:22,770
such a loyalist so you got an
email here Adam Curry at max

1085
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,770
calm and he sent me an email so
jobs at max calm maybe that's

1086
01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:29,220
just me since from I don't know,
but I was I kept it. I was

1087
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:29,820
impressed.

1088
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,670
And that he had a full time
sysadmin just to manage his his

1089
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:36,810
mailbox. Maybe

1090
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:40,500
Maybe not. I don't know. I know.
The way to do it is you just

1091
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:44,400
throttle the attachment size.
That's what works for me. Yeah,

1092
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:44,880
well, you've

1093
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,980
got a full time sysadmin working
on your mailbox.

1094
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:52,770
I do. Avoid zero. Yeah, do but
is this something I can help

1095
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,890
right or something that we can
put together just to adopt

1096
01:14:55,890 --> 01:15:00,390
because it's so good. I want
people to I want people to And

1097
01:15:00,390 --> 01:15:03,270
maybe we approach it from save
the Earth perspective.

1098
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,680
or know your time that the value
block, right? No, I'm talking

1099
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,530
about pod ping o pod p O. Like
an onboarding doc.

1100
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:15,480
Yeah.

1101
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:18,689
Well, not yet because I'm having
to manually create the

1102
01:15:18,689 --> 01:15:23,999
authentication tokens. So not
ready. Not ready. We're working.

1103
01:15:24,029 --> 01:15:28,139
We're working now. And by the
way, Brett brown of London. I

1104
01:15:28,139 --> 01:15:31,349
mean, he wrote half this crap
himself is not you know, this.

1105
01:15:31,379 --> 01:15:35,609
This is not just me. Oh, no,
he's been and he's on fire.

1106
01:15:36,089 --> 01:15:39,959
Yeah, I mean, he just does not
stop. He doesn't sleep. And, you

1107
01:15:39,959 --> 01:15:43,919
know, Alex, it's Alice Gates is
helping him with his Python and

1108
01:15:43,919 --> 01:15:48,929
all that good stuff. It's It's
such. It's such a great team

1109
01:15:48,929 --> 01:15:52,889
effort here. It's, oh, speaking
of team speaking of team, Mike

1110
01:15:52,919 --> 01:15:56,099
Newman, or Norman, I'm not sure
how you pronounce his name. He

1111
01:15:56,249 --> 01:15:59,759
finally filled out he filled out
the team repo. So that

1112
01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:03,060
Oh, yes, I saw that word. Yes,
very nice. That's a big list.

1113
01:16:03,630 --> 01:16:08,220
It's a very big list. If your
stuff is messed up from there or

1114
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:11,610
not, right, or if you're not on
it, just do a, do a pull request

1115
01:16:11,610 --> 01:16:15,300
and run it. Right. But I really
appreciate him doing that.

1116
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,150
Because that's, there's been so
many people contributing to

1117
01:16:18,150 --> 01:16:22,110
this, and you can't even he just
can't remember them all. Because

1118
01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:24,840
everything is nice to look, I
was looking down that list and

1119
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,270
remembering what people have
done. And I was oh, my goodness,

1120
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:27,630
there's so

1121
01:16:27,630 --> 01:16:32,070
much Yes, I know. Can you grab
your stack of papers, let's

1122
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:35,040
thank some of the people who
have devoted their treasure to

1123
01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:39,690
podcasting 2.0 as we are a value
for value proposition. You can

1124
01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:42,900
support the show in many ways.
One Of course, here's your cue

1125
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:48,480
to boost. You know, you want to
yes, you do boost us boost as

1126
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:52,740
hard. Or you can go to podcast
index.org scroll down to the

1127
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:55,620
bottom is a big red Donate
button for your cut box through

1128
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,250
Pay Pal. That's a still a
preferred method, since we don't

1129
01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:03,660
have the channels to get more
than 10 bucks at a time. But

1130
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:09,360
we're building and all we ask is
that people support the whole

1131
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,750
project, which includes the
podcast, everything that

1132
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,080
everything around podcasting 2.0
to keep the server's running

1133
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,040
keep everything moving. We can
we By the way, we use this money

1134
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:26,160
to open channels is all kinds of
stuff. And we have a couple of

1135
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,790
people to thank for today's
episode and the past week's

1136
01:17:29,790 --> 01:17:31,710
work. Yes, good.

1137
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:37,560
It's a it's a really good stack.
And right off the bat, as Xavier

1138
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:43,950
from podcast addict gave us $500
holy crap. Yeah. He says keep

1139
01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:46,980
up. Keep up the great work
Xavier from podcast attic.

1140
01:17:47,070 --> 01:17:51,060
I think I I also I think I
promoted podcast addict on the

1141
01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:53,940
last no agenda. This is a I'm
doing that now at every donation

1142
01:17:53,940 --> 01:17:56,820
segment. I'm talking about
podcasting. 2.0. Then I talk

1143
01:17:56,820 --> 01:18:00,570
about new podcast apps calm and
then I highlight. I say I

1144
01:18:00,570 --> 01:18:03,780
suggest you try out this app
today. And I think podcast

1145
01:18:03,780 --> 01:18:07,890
addict was maybe two weeks ago
or two weeks ago. Yeah. Oh,

1146
01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:14,250
yeah. I'm throwing everything
in. Everything I got. Yeah. guns

1147
01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:17,400
blazing. guns blazing. Exactly.
Thank you very much, Xavier.

1148
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:18,720
Really Let freedom ring.

1149
01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:26,850
Let's see who we got next. Oh,
sir. Pete 6969.

1150
01:18:27,089 --> 01:18:31,169
Oh, Sir. Sir. Paid actually from
the Netherlands. Yes. Thank you,

1151
01:18:31,169 --> 01:18:34,199
sir. Appreciate. He's been
around my value projects for a

1152
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:35,459
long time. He's a good guy.

1153
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,380
Okay, so he says, sir Pete says
dear Dave, and Adam, listen,

1154
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,710
here's the deal. I can't help
getting that was not a good job.

1155
01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:49,440
But listen, here's the deal. I
can't help getting great ideas

1156
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:52,500
when I listened to your Friday
inspiration broadcast. As a

1157
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:54,540
former software architect, I
love to hear our data

1158
01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:57,300
continuously improve the way the
index and the feed features

1159
01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:01,020
work. As a former content
strategist, I also love how Adam

1160
01:19:01,020 --> 01:19:03,510
translates those improvements to
something both business owners

1161
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:07,770
and listeners get. As a side
note, I'm still baffled what why

1162
01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:11,400
people are hesitant to implement
the value block. I am as well.

1163
01:19:12,090 --> 01:19:15,210
Even even if it's a closed loop
value system, the streaming sets

1164
01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:17,970
and messages are the ultimate
way to track engagement and ways

1165
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:21,030
to improve the bond with
listeners and producers. It's

1166
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:25,320
like having your own private
verified Nielsen engine. Anyway,

1167
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:31,440
right? tell you that is my 6.969
cents worth keep singing the

1168
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,290
gospel and building and keep
building on the backbone of

1169
01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:37,710
liberated media. Love is lit
love equals fire.

1170
01:19:41,010 --> 01:19:43,860
love and love is lit is a new
thing that no agenda producers

1171
01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:48,120
have latched on to him. So where
did that come from? Well, it

1172
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,720
came from there was a period
when a lot of people were dying

1173
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,920
celebrities and and on social
media. You always see the

1174
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,140
following. Rip, love and light.
Oh yeah. And so we would start

1175
01:20:01,140 --> 01:20:05,070
saying, Oh yes, love and light,
love and light. And somewhere

1176
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:08,880
someone is almost like hodel
someone misspelled it became

1177
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,120
loving lit and so is that just
stuck now? It's loving, loving.

1178
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,670
Thanks for great appreciate it,
man.

1179
01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:22,410
Yeah, thanks. Okay, so, sir bill
of Glen rock, he gave us $50 and

1180
01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:26,730
he says, Please credit me. Yes,
sir bill of Glen rock go podcast

1181
01:20:26,730 --> 01:20:33,270
go podcasting. Thank you very
much. Beloved Glen rock. Oh,

1182
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:39,330
this guy's familiar. Benjamin
Bellamy. Hey, Benjamin with me.

1183
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:44,460
$45 he donates just to hear you
say, I know. For me to say

1184
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:51,300
custom pod. Sydney. This year,
it's your French keeps him

1185
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:56,070
coming back. 45 $45.70 US

1186
01:20:56,190 --> 01:21:01,500
dollars paid in, in French
socialist government euros.

1187
01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:08,100
Or if I was if I was. If I was
Cridland, I would say $45.70.

1188
01:21:10,410 --> 01:21:13,200
Thank you for everything you
bring to free podcasting into

1189
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,350
the open web. I don't know if I
deserve it. But I'd be honored

1190
01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:21,420
to get a T shirt. Of course you
deserve it. Of course he does.

1191
01:21:21,690 --> 01:21:25,380
Get that man a T shirt.
Definitely promise. I promise

1192
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:28,200
I'll do my best to be worthy.
What color do you want your cast

1193
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,300
upon instance? Benjamin Bellamy.

1194
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,710
What color do I want my Casta
pod instance? I thought they

1195
01:21:34,710 --> 01:21:42,390
were all green. I'd like it to
orange please. I would orange

1196
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:45,540
the color of Bitcoin and
coincidentally the color of all

1197
01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:53,130
human beings on on a color scan.
We're all orange. Also the color

1198
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:58,140
of Donald Trump's skin. Okay,
thanks another good reason Dave.

1199
01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:01,470
Thanks for bringing that up.
Maybe you want to switch it to

1200
01:22:01,470 --> 01:22:05,160
blue now? No, I want orange I
can't wait Benjamin thank you so

1201
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,280
much for supporting everything
you you guys are true and thank

1202
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,120
you for for for for however you
did that and however you get

1203
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,120
funded and if you ever need
someone to to help with a

1204
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,370
presentation for your next
funding round from the

1205
01:22:17,370 --> 01:22:24,360
government. Let me know. I'll
monkey dance. I'll help you. I

1206
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,560
was good at it. I help people
raise money all the time. No, I

1207
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,530
know you are Yeah, I love it. I
love helping with that. I love

1208
01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,140
it. I don't it's free free
service. If it's if it's for

1209
01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:41,040
podcasting. Just give a boost
just boost back boost. Michael

1210
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:48,090
Michael Kimber sees in his $25
and he says boosting my monthly

1211
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:50,640
Sir Michael Black Knight the
dude's name Ben

1212
01:22:50,669 --> 01:22:55,709
nice. Boost. Thank you.
Appreciate you liking these.

1213
01:22:55,709 --> 01:22:58,649
Dave. I'm liking it. I'm liking
him for that

1214
01:22:58,650 --> 01:23:03,540
boost. For that donation you get
to listen to bouchy take a dump.

1215
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,770
Let's see. This is anonymous.
Anonymous for Northern Virginia.

1216
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:18,960
Go podcasting gave us 1111
snake. Beautiful. Thank you.

1217
01:23:19,530 --> 01:23:25,440
Okay, get to subscriptions. $10
each one to $10 from Jordan.

1218
01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:29,580
There's not a note on either one
of Jordan dunville $10 a month

1219
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,420
and James Sullivan $10 a month.
Thank you both. Thanks. Both

1220
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:38,610
appreciate Yeah, very much. No,
there's no note on those. But do

1221
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:41,400
you want to like defragment
them? Are you happy to?

1222
01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:52,050
Let's see we get Christopher say
these are the monthly fees they

1223
01:23:52,050 --> 01:23:58,170
hit this week. Christopher
reamer ducote coats. Michael

1224
01:23:58,170 --> 01:24:02,220
kimmer Oh, Michael. He just
donated a one time donation to

1225
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:07,410
Christopher was $10. stickers.
$6.66. Michael camera or

1226
01:24:07,410 --> 01:24:16,020
530 $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Leslie
Martin $2 Dred Scott $15. You

1227
01:24:16,020 --> 01:24:22,260
drove? Thanks, Terry Keller
$4.11 Pedro then call this $5

1228
01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:28,950
and Aaron Renaud $5. And I think
we need like, I think it's not

1229
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:34,200
obvious. We have reciprocity
with the no agenda period.

1230
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,920
Right. I mean, if you show up
here as a night or something, I

1231
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,990
mean, you get full honor. You
get treated as a night

1232
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:43,950
of course. So the we we we
recognize peerage across all

1233
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,600
tribe boundaries. Absolutely.

1234
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:49,830
No facts. No. I mean, there's no
facts. Of course, you're

1235
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:54,240
recognized with your appropriate
level of honor. We we accept

1236
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:58,590
your credentials here. Yes, yes,
full reciprocity. That's why

1237
01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:04,950
it's like the Sheraton also
accept Marriott points. To make

1238
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:08,790
it the cheapest analogy. I
thought you'd appreciate that.

1239
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:13,260
Alright, that's it. That's our
group.

1240
01:25:13,589 --> 01:25:18,179
Thank you all very much. You're
doing great work. Everyone is

1241
01:25:18,179 --> 01:25:20,969
time, talent treasure, the three
T's of the value for value

1242
01:25:20,969 --> 01:25:26,159
model. It just proves that
humanity exists. And we can do

1243
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,579
these things. When we all put it
together. And we can, again,

1244
01:25:29,579 --> 01:25:32,969
I'll say, you know, we have the
brain power of at this point, a

1245
01:25:33,209 --> 01:25:37,979
$50 million dollar company that
is working on projects. And

1246
01:25:38,009 --> 01:25:40,799
we're more open more honest and
more driven and more

1247
01:25:40,829 --> 01:25:44,339
enthusiastic than any other
company. I've been a part of or

1248
01:25:44,339 --> 01:25:49,499
started or it's, it's incredible
to see this type of energy. And,

1249
01:25:49,889 --> 01:25:52,949
and everyone should be very
proud of what we're doing. Even

1250
01:25:52,949 --> 01:25:57,599
Dvorak. He's like, Hey, man, you
guys got traction with that

1251
01:25:57,599 --> 01:26:02,339
podcast? 2.0 thing. I'm gonna
write up some high praise. Yeah,

1252
01:26:02,339 --> 01:26:06,329
it is high praise. I'm gonna
write up some I'm gonna get some

1253
01:26:06,329 --> 01:26:08,789
I'm gonna get used more
interviews, more exposure for

1254
01:26:08,789 --> 01:26:12,209
this thing. So that's really
kind john. Yeah, I'm gonna I got

1255
01:26:12,209 --> 01:26:16,649
a list and I know, I know who to
talk to and get you on TV and

1256
01:26:16,649 --> 01:26:20,129
everywhere and nice man. Why?
Because you know, whenever you

1257
01:26:20,129 --> 01:26:22,679
do that more people show up for
no agenda. So it's good.

1258
01:26:27,089 --> 01:26:28,019
Conversation with

1259
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,650
this. There's an article cosmic
weenie article income, cosmic

1260
01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:38,730
article. As a PDF, yeah.

1261
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:43,350
I wanted to dig up to Steven B
with Curio caster who just

1262
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,880
waltzed into into the garden
and, and said, Oh, look at this.

1263
01:26:48,330 --> 01:26:50,880
Holy crap, that guy is
everything working, I think that

1264
01:26:50,910 --> 01:26:53,010
I don't think there's a single
tag that isn't working in that

1265
01:26:53,010 --> 01:26:53,340
app.

1266
01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:57,870
That's a great app. I mean, it's
really, it's solid, it feels

1267
01:26:57,870 --> 01:27:02,970
good. I mean, it's responsive,
like it doesn't feel sluggish or

1268
01:27:02,970 --> 01:27:04,980
anything like it's just, it's
tight. It's a tight

1269
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:10,140
app. Well, the onboarding was
beautiful. And this is what I

1270
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,860
kind of liked about it. And pod
friend does a version of this

1271
01:27:13,860 --> 01:27:18,540
too. It's like when you show up
at a value block enabled

1272
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:22,980
podcast, it shows you all the
controls. And then when you hit

1273
01:27:22,980 --> 01:27:26,370
one of those controls, then it
brings up the Okay, you need

1274
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:33,390
satoshis for this little short
explanation, and then generate

1275
01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:37,590
an invoice, then fill up the
wallet. And so you do need a

1276
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:40,560
username password to create to
create an account, he's

1277
01:27:40,590 --> 01:27:43,740
obviously hosting those keys,
which I really appreciate.

1278
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:49,110
Because it's, you know, it's,
it's a bridge for now, I guess,

1279
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,710
it's a great way to bridge
between now. And whenever we get

1280
01:27:52,740 --> 01:27:56,820
more capability, either in the
browser or in an app, so that we

1281
01:27:56,820 --> 01:28:02,160
don't have to deal with the,
with everyone being a custodial

1282
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:06,480
posted wallet provider. And I
understand the apprehension for

1283
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:09,360
a lot of developers who don't
want to do that. But when

1284
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,550
someone just jumps in and says
No, fuck it, we'll do it for

1285
01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:13,740
now. We'll see what happens.
It's really appreciated.

1286
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:17,340
Getting the tip jar thing is
great, too. I think that's the

1287
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:19,230
first time I've seen that is it?
Am I wrong?

1288
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:23,550
It is incredibly smart. And it's
such a nice variation of what

1289
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:29,310
Martin posted an idea a couple
of weeks ago, not even that long

1290
01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:33,900
ago. And he showed a screen
where you could change the split

1291
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:38,220
values. And I think pretty much
the people on that thread were

1292
01:28:38,220 --> 01:28:41,070
like, yeah, now that's kind of
weird if you're if you're

1293
01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:44,820
changing those splits. And then
Steve with creo caster took it

1294
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:47,580
one step further, or in a
different direction, really

1295
01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:50,430
lateral move. I said, Well, what
if you could just send an

1296
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:53,880
additional amount to anybody on
that split, which includes the

1297
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,380
app, and I have found quite
honestly, that I'm boosting

1298
01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:03,090
Curio caster as much as I'm
boosting anybody else. Yeah,

1299
01:29:03,090 --> 01:29:06,720
like, just like, I'm enjoying
this app right now. I'm just

1300
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,230
gonna boost him boosted the
index just for the hell of it.

1301
01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:13,680
Yeah. Did you? I love self
boosting. It's, you know, don't

1302
01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:15,150
don't tell anyone I do it.

1303
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:20,070
No. I think that's fantastic.
That's a great use very smart

1304
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:23,610
idea of that. Because you you
have a whole chain there

1305
01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:29,190
available to you. It's like,
it's like a like, you know, Mark

1306
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:34,320
Martin's idea was that, but then
this is just like a refinement.

1307
01:29:34,350 --> 01:29:35,310
Yeah. Where you're like, Oh,
yeah,

1308
01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:40,050
this perfect iterator. Right.
Perfect. And so Abel Kirby, who

1309
01:29:40,050 --> 01:29:43,950
is a he's a great songwriter,
composer, musician. He's done

1310
01:29:43,980 --> 01:29:49,560
many of the top top jingles and
songs for no agenda. So he's put

1311
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,110
together a band, they're
recording an album they've

1312
01:29:52,110 --> 01:29:56,550
already contractually signed two
splits. So his whole value block

1313
01:29:56,550 --> 01:30:01,260
will be for like the drummer and
the bass player etc. No Oh yeah,

1314
01:30:01,260 --> 01:30:04,440
and he's going to upload it to
podcasting. 2.0 each track will

1315
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:09,240
be a different is a different
episode. Oh, nice. But imagine

1316
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,800
this, you're listening and let's
just say killer bass solo. Open

1317
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:19,530
the tip jar based BAM boost
boost. Boost. Boost a basic

1318
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:24,990
boost. exactly that. How cool is
that? Hillary? How cool is that

1319
01:30:24,990 --> 01:30:28,140
gonna be? No have been done for
the music stuff to come on I

1320
01:30:28,140 --> 01:30:32,160
loads. Yeah, it's gonna come
it's gonna come. And seriously

1321
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:38,520
all someone would have to do is
just change the skin, too. Music

1322
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,660
caster I don't care pot, podcast
music, whatever you want to call

1323
01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:42,840
it.

1324
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:49,080
But so I'm like you so often I'm
listening to it as something in

1325
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,970
like I'm either in pop friend or
breeze or, you know, pod verse

1326
01:30:53,970 --> 01:31:00,030
or anything and I'm and I'm like
and I'm thinking, this is such

1327
01:31:00,030 --> 01:31:03,090
a, like I just feel start to
feel really good about the whole

1328
01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:06,420
experience of Oh yeah, streaming
SATs and all that kind of stuff.

1329
01:31:06,540 --> 01:31:10,440
And I want to thank the
developer, I want to boost the

1330
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:15,900
app itself. And it may be I
mean, seriously, great idea. I

1331
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:19,110
want to I may want to give them
I may want to give them like 10

1332
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:22,470
bucks a pop, and you might have
something and here's the other

1333
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:26,490
thing, every one of these apps
needs a tip jar every single and

1334
01:31:26,490 --> 01:31:30,060
this is a great way yes is a
great way to do it. Yeah,

1335
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:37,650
because cuz you don't know.
Okay, Martin. You don't know who

1336
01:31:37,650 --> 01:31:44,310
is out there. That is really
going to appreciate this. And

1337
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:46,770
just drop you 500 bucks out of
nowhere.

1338
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:50,280
You know who's really thoughtful
about this stuff. Tina, she's a

1339
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:55,320
pod fan, pod friend fiend as she
and you know, and she listens to

1340
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,490
a number of value block enabled
shows and no agenda or she

1341
01:31:59,490 --> 01:32:02,460
didn't listen to this. Because
like, just give me the cliff

1342
01:32:02,460 --> 01:32:07,320
notes. Yeah, hot namespace talk
baby. Oh, okay. She's very aware

1343
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:13,920
of Dame Jennifer's role. Yeah.
But she she's like I boosted

1344
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,190
that. I thought that was such a
good point. And so if she knew

1345
01:32:17,190 --> 01:32:22,680
that she could boost Martin for
for the app she do it she do it

1346
01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:27,660
in a heartbeat. So what I share
with anybody and you know what

1347
01:32:27,660 --> 01:32:33,450
it's interaction it's the
podcast or saying hey, you know

1348
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:39,270
really great experience on pod
friend. Once you go you know,

1349
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:42,930
boost or go ahead and, and, and
throw a pod friends some

1350
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:50,130
subsets. And here's how you do
it. Another when podcasters you

1351
01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:54,840
lazy lazy, lazy douchebags,
you've got to tell people to use

1352
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,980
some of these new apps new
podcast apps.com it will work

1353
01:32:59,010 --> 01:33:04,650
you will receive satoshis
everyone gets happy. This This

1354
01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:09,900
is tough love from the pot
father big time. It's Friday.

1355
01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:12,360
This is what I like. And have
you ever been in a board meeting

1356
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,030
like this? I've been in a lot of
board meetings Dave I've never

1357
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:18,270
been a board meeting where we
can call everyone douchebags and

1358
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:21,240
just talk I want to

1359
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:25,440
I've never been in one where
there was the sound of people

1360
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:34,590
taking the dogs and booze. Yeah,
like breed breeze. You know,

1361
01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:38,670
they basically granted my wish I
put an issue on the on their

1362
01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:41,790
repo of, I don't know a month
and a half ago about deep

1363
01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:45,540
linking into sharing an episode
directly in the app. And then

1364
01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:48,330
they rolled it out in
testflight. I want to boost I

1365
01:33:48,330 --> 01:33:50,880
want to boost those them of
course. Yeah, I want to say

1366
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,120
thanks. I want to give him you
know, give him 5000 SATs right

1367
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,220
there are 10,000 or whatever.
Also

1368
01:33:56,220 --> 01:34:00,870
speaking about the speaking of
boosting pod station, pod

1369
01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:03,810
station browser extension
getting a lot of extra features

1370
01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:07,980
including a boost button. Yeah,
very nice.

1371
01:34:08,190 --> 01:34:12,960
Gil Gaylor. Matt put put the tip
jar in. Yeah, exactly. Do it now

1372
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,720
I'll I will definitely boost you
and I know everybody else will

1373
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,740
to do that. That needs to be a
standard.

1374
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:25,680
I mean that and believe it or
not. A lot of our money goes. A

1375
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,670
lot of our private money goes
into boosting everybody. I think

1376
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:33,510
we're just shooting money to
everybody. I know it's at least

1377
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:36,990
a couple 100 bucks a month. I
know I know. I'm boosting I'm

1378
01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:37,980
over boosting.

1379
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,930
I listened to potluck pod news
every morning me too as my as my

1380
01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:43,380
religion.

1381
01:34:43,620 --> 01:34:48,270
Five I 500 stat boost the minute
from Portland. Okay, pod net dot

1382
01:34:48,270 --> 01:34:51,600
new review. Boom. Okay. 500 SATs
now I'm going to listen

1383
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,320
streaming 50 SATs a minute. If
you mentioned my name triple

1384
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,330
boost. Turbo Boost.

1385
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:02,040
Yeah, that's I mean, I'm I'm
single handedly responsible for

1386
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,330
most of Portland's revenue from
yesterday boosted mass my own. I

1387
01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:09,120
boosted a lot, man I boosted
Thank you. But I mean, that's

1388
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,930
just if you throw in the if you
if you value and what your

1389
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:16,410
podcast I agree with sir Pete
just value net with your podcast

1390
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:19,950
it doesn't take away from your
main source of revenue. And what

1391
01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:23,070
I've seen a lot of people doing.
I've seen a lot of podcasters

1392
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:26,580
putting a value blog in their
feed, and then not not

1393
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:30,540
mentioning it on the show. But
it's just sitting there.

1394
01:35:30,570 --> 01:35:33,630
Yeah, that's the big that's the
biggest mistake. That's why I

1395
01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:37,110
keep saying new podcast apps
calm or choose one you like and

1396
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:41,280
tell people to try it. I, what I
what I love doing with the web

1397
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,960
apps I'm gonna start doing now
is Oh, here's my show, click on

1398
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:50,010
this. People get this whole
fantastic app right in their

1399
01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:53,640
browser. Like that's, that's a
way to show people something

1400
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,490
new. Yeah.

1401
01:35:57,870 --> 01:36:01,890
That's it's an I'm like it. I'm
like him. I don't I don't I'm

1402
01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:06,240
not sure I understand the
trepidation there. Oh, adoption

1403
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:10,230
takes time. And it's just these
things take time. But it's, I

1404
01:36:10,230 --> 01:36:14,400
see, you know, devore x, right.
We have traction. We have we

1405
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:18,420
have traction, it's taken off
people know about it. I think

1406
01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:22,590
there's something about our
stats page that I showed him pod

1407
01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:26,370
ping dot watch. And he shit
himself. He's like, polyfiber

1408
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:30,240
like, I've never seen this
before. Now he's, he's thinks

1409
01:36:30,540 --> 01:36:35,520
the way he sees it. Is that you
guys have all the podcasts 3.8

1410
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,340
million. You have all the
podcasts, we have all the stats,

1411
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,340
you know exactly what's new,
where it's coming from? Is

1412
01:36:41,460 --> 01:36:46,560
that's that that's that's
newsworthy. All right. All

1413
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:46,740
right.

1414
01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:50,790
I'll do whatever it takes no
problem. That's a lot of that.

1415
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:54,360
They, you know, a lot of this
manual curation too. So what,

1416
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:59,850
what two things I do every day?
is a look at the podcast, the

1417
01:36:59,850 --> 01:37:03,690
various podcast newsletters that
come out. Yeah. But pardon us by

1418
01:37:03,690 --> 01:37:09,360
guests Business Journal, and see
the new podcast announcements.

1419
01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:13,740
And I hand by hand, I check to
make sure that the new shows

1420
01:37:13,740 --> 01:37:16,710
that are being announced are in
there, if that are in in the

1421
01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:19,680
index, if at all possible. Okay,
so there's a lot. Yeah, there's

1422
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,730
a lot of that because you don't,
people may not add them. So I'm

1423
01:37:23,730 --> 01:37:27,060
having to, you know, we may be
three weeks before we find, you

1424
01:37:27,060 --> 01:37:30,660
know, find a new show. So I get
it. I'm doing that by hands. A

1425
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:33,570
lot of that's not just
automated. And there's some

1426
01:37:33,570 --> 01:37:35,940
manual stuff, manual labor that
has to go into that.

1427
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,660
If you're listening to this
podcast, and you'd like to value

1428
01:37:39,660 --> 01:37:45,240
enable your podcast, go to value
for value.io value number four

1429
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:52,170
value.io. And follow the yellow
brick road. It should work for

1430
01:37:52,170 --> 01:37:55,530
you. Hey, Dwayne, talk about pod
chasers API. What exactly does

1431
01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:58,680
pod chaser do? Are they a
business? Or are they what is

1432
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,220
their what is their VC backed

1433
01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:07,890
their VC back then? And they
started as a way to do that? Is

1434
01:38:07,890 --> 01:38:11,280
that their business model VC
backed is that our mission

1435
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:15,000
statement? Our mission statement
is to be VC backed. No, it's

1436
01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:19,140
I've talked to those guys
before, Ben slinger and forget

1437
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,510
at the CEOs name that we talked,
I talked to him back when we did

1438
01:38:24,510 --> 01:38:29,730
the podcast taxonomy stuff, huh.
And good. Seemed like great

1439
01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:35,970
guys, very distributed. Ben
slinger, is in Australia. The

1440
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:38,970
other guys named it's eluding me
right now is in Hawaii. So

1441
01:38:38,970 --> 01:38:45,210
they're very far apart. But the
their business started as like a

1442
01:38:45,540 --> 01:38:49,590
way to centralize reviews,
podcast reviews and stuff. Oh,

1443
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:52,650
right. Right. Right. Right, do
attribution for guest

1444
01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,290
appearances and that kind of
thing and sort of keep a

1445
01:38:55,290 --> 01:38:58,620
database of that, but they've,
they've really grown into some

1446
01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:01,080
other data looks like they're,
honestly, it looks like they're

1447
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,230
trying to do everything. So I
don't know exactly sure what the

1448
01:39:04,230 --> 01:39:09,000
focus is anymore. But I know, I
know, they're VC backed. I'm 99%

1449
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:09,750
sure of that.

1450
01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:12,870
And so their API, what does that
does that offer something that

1451
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:15,420
we like, or we can collaborate
on?

1452
01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:19,650
Well, and I'd love to
collaborate with with various

1453
01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:23,820
like, you know, we're, we got a
sort of dialogue going on with

1454
01:39:23,820 --> 01:39:28,680
listen notes and stuff now to
get over there yet. So any API's

1455
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,010
and directories I would always
love to sort of work with and

1456
01:39:32,010 --> 01:39:35,010
share info and all that stuff. I
think this is really important.

1457
01:39:35,490 --> 01:39:39,420
I'm not sure. I don't know, I'm
not sure how willing they are to

1458
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:44,550
sort of, you know, get all get
involved. But, I mean, they they

1459
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:47,040
seem like they're on board with
the namespace from what I can

1460
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,340
tell they've been they've
contributed a little bit that.

1461
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:54,390
But I don't know, I mean, like
there, I was gonna use their API

1462
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:57,300
to do reverse lookups from to
find it and iTunes ID from a

1463
01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:00,810
Feed URL. But then john Spurlock
posted there. Terms of Service

1464
01:40:00,810 --> 01:40:04,410
and then it was like, they were
like their terms of service said

1465
01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:09,450
basically No. No. Yeah, the term
the terms were basically if

1466
01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:12,630
you're if you're using this to
build a competing directory or

1467
01:40:12,630 --> 01:40:19,740
API get lost, so get lost in the
fine print. It did not it was

1468
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:23,400
not that specific wording, but
he was pretty much like that. He

1469
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,340
was the legal equivalent of gay
laws. Excellent. All right.

1470
01:40:26,490 --> 01:40:30,480
basically say we're gonna ban
you. Okay? That's a shame but

1471
01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:31,080
whatever.

1472
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:37,260
What's on what's on deck for
this for next week. Just

1473
01:40:37,260 --> 01:40:40,620
basically namespace stuff. Next
week. Jake namespace and then

1474
01:40:40,620 --> 01:40:44,250
Miami. We're going to Miami. Oh,
God, I can't next week, man.

1475
01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:48,000
Shit. That's that's Thursday.
Oh, holy crap. Yeah, I gotta. I

1476
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,800
gotta pack dude. Yeah, I got
crap. The namespace Monday.

1477
01:40:53,850 --> 01:40:56,580
Monday, Tuesday. Well, I'm
actually meeting. I'm just doing

1478
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:59,100
another namespace Monday.

1479
01:41:01,110 --> 01:41:05,040
That was the next big hit. I got
it. I'm going to jitsi meeting

1480
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,040
with Brian of London. We're
going to try to get some stuff

1481
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,930
wrapped up with piping so we
don't keep spamming the

1482
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:13,680
mastodon. Alright, cool. And
stuff like that.

1483
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:18,810
How to work with Roy on some of
this web ln web browser stuff.

1484
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Yeah, that sounds good. I'm
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doing all the lightning stuff
because I feel overloaded. Oh,

1486
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yeah.

1487
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I mean, it's. And also you got
to keep up with so much. What

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changed? And you have to learn
how to speed Listen, so it's not

1489
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an easy task. I'm doing the best
I can here. Alright, my brother.

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How about weekend plans? I think
plan just trying to remove the

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