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podcasting 2.0 for March
26 2021, Episode 30 with a

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digital abolitionists

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plant that flag while we still
can,

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hello everybody

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Friday once again time for
afford meaning of podcasting 2.0

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and everything going on at
podcast index.org the podcast

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namespace you name it. It's a
beautiful day it's Adam Curry

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here in Austin, Texas. And in
Alabama, the boy wonder of

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boosting my friend on the other
end.

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Thought you were gonna go with
like low hanging fruit. I

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thought you're gonna go with the
flapping in the breeze.

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No, no, no, no, no, no. You
aren't you are. You are totally

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the boy wonder of boosting days.

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This is a beautiful day sunshine
for once in like two weeks. No

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tornadoes.

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Well, hold on a second cuz you
know you're in Alabama and you

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had tornadoes last night, right?

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Oh, yeah. Five people down here.
Up in North Alabama. Holy crap.

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Yeah, this was like normal fare
to you guys is like, Ah, it's

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this time of year. And this is
what happens.

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Yeah, I mean, every we have two
tornado seasons here. Yeah,

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March, April and November, a
little bit of December. But I

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mean, it's every year, it's
just, it's just every year, but

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he knows the protocol. In it's
typically only typically only

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bad if you have if you're if
you're rural and don't have good

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access to, you know, television,
radio, that kind of thing,

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right?

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You get the big giant voice
system. Does that come on and

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tell everybody to be careful?

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It does. And that's essentially
a point of contention. It's not

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the voice the tornado siren
sound like this? Yes. Yeah,

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that's it.

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This is actually I think this is
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From Japan.

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That's the tsunami tsunami

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warning. Yeah. Tsunami. I think
you're right.

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We got that. And that's actually
been a bone of contention for a

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long time is it's county wide.
So when a tornado if a tornado

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just barely clips the edge of a
county. Yeah, it goes a siren

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everywhere. Right. Like, oh,
crap, you know, it could be like

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350 miles away from me. Anyway,

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well, glad you're okay. We have
tornadoes here as well. Although

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not an Austin Hill Country kind
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don't get too much. But it's
been bad. It's been bad around

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here. We had other crap.

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Yeah, y'all got a lot of stuff
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worry about. We just freeze to
death while you guys are getting

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blown away, you know,

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in your water goes away. Oh,
well. minor

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detail. Yeah. minor detail. Wow.
I mean, quite awake.

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Mr. Jones?

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A few things.

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Yes. Well, we warned everybody
and I think we were warning

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ourselves that breeze would
drop. And they did and Wow. What

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an impact.

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Yeah. Seriously.

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Prop props. And thanks, upfront
to podcast Business Journal. Who

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gave us a nice, a nice little
blurb there. It's interesting.

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I've yet to have one person of
the any press mainstream or

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otherwise to reach out to me.

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Yeah, yes. The ad Ron emailed me
yesterday in his want to get he

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didn't use it for any kind of,
they'd already written it up,

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right. But he was like, Hey, we
are going to talk about some

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sort of show tomorrow. And you
know, I guess he's one to kind

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of get the lowdown. But he did
reach out and heard from email.

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But in general, it's always it's
just always baffling to me.

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Okay, all right. Well, you're
writing stories, people are

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writing brightened posts
everywhere, but no one has asked

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anything. And Wow, I've learned
so much. First, let me give some

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numbers right off the bat, just
to tell everybody why I'm so

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damn excited. So my podcaster
wallet. And this is I mean, I've

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no idea what's out there now. So
we have Sphinx chat, which has

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always been a steady stream, I
think that I was making was a

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Dave about two or $3 a day maybe
it's a switch from anything that

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was coming in streaming from
swings chat. And now mind you,

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that is about 45% of whatever
payment is being sent. Because

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all of my shows I have three
want this one, no agenda and Moe

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facts and I think it's probably
this one that has the most but

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maybe no agenda will be
competing now in I have no way

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to tell yet.

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No agenda can't compete with us.
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I guess he knows. Exactly. So
45% average is going to me that

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means the payment is is at least
double that. But now this

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morning, I'm doing like almost
$18 a day.

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That's real money.

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Well, you know, I've always said
hey, just times this 1000 Well,

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if I don't, just don't have
enough data, I don't have a I

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don't have even a week's worth
yet. But once I have a couple

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weeks worth of data, I mean, if
it's truly, you know, like 20

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bucks a day, and we can just by
sheer numbers of more apps and

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users can build that 10x, which
I think has to be possible.

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Hopefully, we'll 10x with just
breeze swings and pod pod

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station alone, then you're
talking 200 bucks a day.

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Yeah, that's really I mean,
that's real money. That's less

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livable money, right?

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Yeah, that's $6,000 a month.
That's, you know, you're, you're

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working on 70 grand a year. Hell
yeah, that's real money.

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And I think there's something
else to this that, like, there's

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always a, trying to figure out a
word this, there's always like

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that gold rush at the beginning
of anything that happens when

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there's a new app store that
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or some new social network or
whatever, there's always this

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sort of rush in there. And
there's this sort of golden

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window of opportunity, where at
the beginning, the first sort of

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adopters of that, yes, they're
taking a risk, because there's

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not, it's not proven. But on the
on the flip side, there's,

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there's basically no risk, you
know, with just submitting your

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stuff and getting into a system.
And then you're, you become for

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for this sort of golden period
of time. You're one of the few

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that's listed there. Right. And
prom and prom. Yeah, yeah. So

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people are getting into me a
breeze and Sphinx and pod

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station, and Martin Piper is
working on stuff. People are

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getting into these apps. And in
Mitch, they're getting into

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these apps. And like, they'll
see which podcast there are

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value block enabled. And for a
while isn't there's not going to

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be a ton of them. So you have
this opportunity to get your

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your podcast in front of a lot
of people upfront, real quick.

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Exactly. Which I think he can I
don't think you can, you know,

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you can't discount that. Because
that's, you know, so

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you don't run into that
opportunity. Very often. It's

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interesting. This is now this is
not well, it is intentional,

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because I've obviously been in
close contact with Roy and

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Brees. And once we have our
bring our guests in today, I

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want to continue that story a
little bit because it does

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pertain to basically
expectations of people when it

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comes to people who understand
crypto. And people understand

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podcasting and what are the
expectations of what kind of a

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combined type of type of app
does. But they chose

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specifically to only surface
anything that's, that has a

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value block. And, and although I
knew it would disappoint a lot

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of people in fact, I had people
telling me, hey, it's broken. I

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mean, it's broken, the search is
broken. Yeah. And he was very

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hard when I say Could you tell
me what you what you did? So I

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can understand. Yeah, it's
broken. So someone searching for

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their own podcast

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or Okay, as I

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was searching for their podcast,
it's not in the it's not going

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to surface so it's broken. So
you know, there was obviously

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some of that but what it did and
as intended was drive people to

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go Oh, crap. And I wanted like
you said, I want to get on this

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list. It's very much like the Oh
God, I hated it, by the way, but

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that was exclusive. This is
anybody can get on it. Because

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it's just an algorithm for
trending. Twitter friends list,

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it was the you know, like a
special jack Dorsey lists that

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you can get on and it just
suggested, suggested followers.

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Very gross, very gross. But
anyway, we'll get into the into

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the depth of all that, but it's,
it has just blown me away. In

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particular, when you look at the
bubble chart that marnix has

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been maintaining.

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That thing's getting big.

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I mean, it's mind blowing, it
shows because all of those

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connecting lines are represent
payments. Now it's it's not you

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know, it literally represents
value flow. So if it's big fat

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and white, which I think you
know, we need to change the

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colors because of course it's
going to be seen as white

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supremacy by someone somewhere
somehow.

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Got a stop, stop the statue. Oh,
I have a as a formal complaint

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that get dude who is the equity,
diversity and inclusion board

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for Bitcoin because I want to
lodge a personal complaint,

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okay, against the term uncle
Jim's node. The most racist

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thing I've ever heard in my
life.

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Now. Do you know Do you know who
I heard say that first? Yeah.

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He told

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me like somebody on the street
somebody else thinks.

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Who the hell is Uncle Gino?

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Oh my goodness. Oh, and the
funny thing is I haven't I had

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he passed away Uncle Jim. We
call them Thumper. James because

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he was a heart surgeon, a jazz
drummer and a raging alcoholic.

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So whenever you think of Uncle
Jim, it's like I see him you

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know, and I was smiling. That
guy was living his best life.

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Oh, by the way, he died. He died
of lung cancer. Of course.

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Now we know it's Uncle Jim is
actually Jim Eagle,

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right? Yeah, I saw this Yeah,
he's usually our president said

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what's worse than Jim Crow laws?
Well, Jim Eagle laws of course.

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Yes. Jim Eagles node. Crap, holy
crap.

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We have we've got stuff is
extremely racist

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is the good point. Good point
that you should have called for

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a point of personal privilege.
But okay. You did not follow

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parliamentarian rules here at

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the board me? Yes. All right,
you can strike it from the

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record.

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today. What should we bring our
guests in? Because our guests

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can speak about all of this and
probably a lot better to some of

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the things we're going to be
talking about? Yes. Very happy

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to have with us. A one of our
developers, who is part of the

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community over there at podcast
index dot social, where anyone

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is welcome to come and share
ideas and, and help kind of

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develop all this together. And
so I'm very proud to present

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
the board meeting your pilot in

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charge of the pod verse. Young
Master Mitch Downey.

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Hey, what's up guys?

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What's the correct term is Hey,
guys.

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Hey, man. Hey, Mitch.

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Hey, guys.

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There you go. Man, so good to
speak with you. Yeah, it's

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great to be here.

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Please. For people who aren't
familiar with your wealth

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course, if they're on the
podcast index on social they are

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but give us a little background?
Who is Mitch? And what does he

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do? Sure. I'm

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a software engineer these days.
I'm a full stack JavaScript

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developer. And I've been working
on pod verse for almost eight

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years now. It's pretty much how
I learned how to program. In my

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younger days. I'm not as young
as you think, Adam, I'm actually

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Well, now this is disappointing
because I when I saw you on the

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the one jitsi chat that we did,
I went to my wife and said, Oh

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my god, this is fucking college
kid. And brilliant. Man. The guy

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is brilliant. I don't know
what's going on with him. But I

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love having them around. Well,
young at heart doesn't matter.

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We're all basically the same in
in this community. So

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yeah, now that you got four, you
got four kids, right?

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just just bought the Tesla.

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None of that. But yeah, so in my
younger days, I actually was an

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English and philosophy major as
an undergrad. So Dave, I know

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you said I've studied philosophy
too.

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Yeah. Now I know why you're a
programmer. Because there's no

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money. There's no money in the
liberal arts. Exactly. Right.

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Yeah, it

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took me about six years to
figure that out and change my

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career plans,

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get my first job and not and it
was the group I was working. I

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was working with. There's about
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the room, it was like an ask
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It was like, philosophy, English
history. Like, there was nothing

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It was all liberal arts, you
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out and like, Oh, wait, I can't
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programming job. I it seems like
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programming in college and were
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from different play.

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You play an instrument.

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I haven't played very much since
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time. I used to play guitar a
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But musicians make great
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drummers I find a really really
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that's Yeah, cuz they drive the
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the drive. Yeah, they keep the
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complex music and notation.

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Eight years on pod verse Mitch.
That's a long time. I had no

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idea pod verse had been around
that long.

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Yeah, well, it started it was
called podcast quotes. And it

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was like a Reddit clone that
would have, you would type in

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manually quotes from different
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even knew how to code. I was
just trying to learn user

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experience design at the time
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programmers to actually help me
build things, which didn't go

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very well because I didn't have
any money to offer them. So I

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know the feeling So I eventually
realized I had to figure this

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stuff out for myself and pod
versus I've, this is like the

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fifth iteration of it. I've just
been coming back to it to teach

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myself how to program. And it's
an outlet for my love of

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podcasting and open source
software. Oh, beautiful.

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Love that. Now you have you have
a registration system for extra

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features, correct?

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Yes, we have all server side
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subscribed as a member per pod
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one year free trial membership.
And beyond that, it's $10 a year

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at the current price, the prices
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prohibitive, like if people
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probably just give you a free
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us and ask for one. But we need
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income because the servers cost
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you can give away for free the
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monthly basis for

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Yeah, so do you have a
consistent user base? Yeah.

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It has been steadily growing
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podcasting 2.0.

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we had we plateaued for a long
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amount of people who somehow
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sharing feature. And with ever
since, have you been shouting

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out our name on various
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increase in our user base almost
every day, like every week where

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we're getting like a 20% gain
over Oh, wow. Holy crap. Oh,

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I should charge for that.

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That is great. And I'm glad you
released an app to the app is

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really slick. And I find myself
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the clips for today's show. I
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definitely. Here's to the clips.
And that's kind of in your DNA,

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right?

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Yeah, that was the original plan
for pod verse. It's supposed to

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be you know, just a small little
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it's turned into this giant,
multi apps. We got iOS, Android,

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web, we've got feed parsers. on
our server. We've got all of

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this stuff going on. But yeah,
the core functionality of the

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app is clip sharing.

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Very nice. Tell us about how you
found the index and what what

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was your path?

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Sure, I think it was through
James cred Lin. And pod news,

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actually. Boy, it must have been
around August or so. I was in a

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I was finally like ready to
branch out and try to connect

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with more like the podcast
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And I wanted to get involved in
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I happen to see pod news had
some GitHub repos. And it looked

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like there were some things here
and there I might be able to

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help with. And somewhere along
the way James sent me. He's

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like, you should check out
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It wasn't out yet. At the time.
He just like tipped me off to it

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early. Yeah. And incidentally, I
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agenda since like, like six
months prior to that. I had to

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fairly recently, right before
your first Joe Rogan appearance,

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like a few months made morish?
Yeah. So it was like serendipity

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that it just all lined up.

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That's cool. What is? So when it
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the tech side of things? No, at
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on the index a lot. But I think
you've started doing your own

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parsing and like what, what's
your back end setup look like as

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far as how you're handling your
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Sure. Well, we are doing all of
our own parsing and data

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storage. We have been doing that
for a few years now. And our

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primary motivation for that was
because we didn't want to be

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solely dependent on iTunes, like
everyone is. And now the thing

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is, it's a big project to manage
by itself. As you guys know,

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that's your full time
responsibilities. And so we had

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a very small version of the
database, and we were manually

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adding things as people
requesting it. And we had about

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40,000 podcasts on there. And
thanks to your resources and the

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endpoints you've provided, and
like the ability for us to sync

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with your database. We are now
up to 1.5 million podcasts.

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And you're trying to play catch
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dumping the entire world into
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Yeah, actually, I haven't
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to 2 million if he's no, it's,

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it's insane. I mean, it's like
it's like, you know, 10,000 a

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day. It's crazy. Wow. Yeah.

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He's doing great work. So yeah,
and beyond that, though, so one

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of the keys is you you give us
an endpoint that notifies us

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when a podcast should be
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are able to do all of our
parsing through your

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notifications get very cheap,
like it dropped our server costs

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by like 90%. When we switched
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endpoint,

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that running to speed, the
aggregation stuff has, it has to

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be distributed. But it's really
difficult to distribute to have

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it distributed in a way that
doesn't cost you money. And as a

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weird thing to say, but like,
what so is you rapidly figure

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out okay, one, if I, if I'm
going to do aggregation with one

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server, it's got to be a
heavyweight server, it's got to

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be a big one. And so the more
cost effective way is to split

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it out amongst you know,
multiple aggregators and have

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them all doing the job and feed
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marks, that then your main box
has to be able to handle that

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load. So there's this weird
balancing effect. And it's

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really hard to come out of it
without spending a lot of money.

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And so you always have to, like
handle these caveats of you

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know, okay, well, I'm gonna
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that's gonna make things harder
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weird, financial, financial and
technical balancing act. Yeah,

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I heard. I heard Marco somewhere
else. Maybe this is what I heard

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and then read myself that on a
slack or something he posted

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that it costs him five grand a
month to run his back end for

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overcast?

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Yeah, man. Yeah, he's got a lot
more going on. But I think he

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also, I think, my impression is
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know what I know, a few other
people are doing, which is they

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just have some big VMs. Like,
right, like some that cost

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hundreds of months just for that
one virtual machine. Right.

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Right. It's our long term goal
with this in, because I know,

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what we've had to do is
prioritize things. Because, I

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mean, if there's going to be 2
million podcasts out there. I

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mean, number one, you know, you
don't want to necessarily pull

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all those things all the time,
because most of them are dead,

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right? I mean, I think Daniel J.
Lewis, his latest stats are only

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out of the 2 million

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1000 or something, it's, um,
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only 35 is like 30 something
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publishing episodes. So mate,
like you don't want to be it's a

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complete waste of time, money,
bandwidth, everything to be

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pulling 2 million feeds, when
only a third of them are

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actually posting content. Right,
right, right. So we try, we're

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trying to our aggregators look,
and just they back off when

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something stops posting, they
just stopped checking out very

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often, if that means if that
means you have to go like, it's

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going to take a day to pick up a
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hasn't published in six months.
That's fine. I mean, I don't

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really care because then you'll
start checking more but it's

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just is that in order to not go
broke? You have you have to make

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trade offs like that. I can I
can see I can definitely your

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pain. Mitch. It's,

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it's hard. Yeah. For real for
real?

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Well, it's it's been going
really well. In the first couple

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months there was like, they had
to stabilize and some people had

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some requests and some bugs but
it we've had no complaints for

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at least like a month or two. So
this integration seems to be

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working great.

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How about

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well, actually hold on a second
Come on in he's young lady's

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name,

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but he can talk hot like
anybody.

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Don't pay any attention to the
wedding ring.

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Now what what tags you support
in the namespace so far?

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We support funding chapters in
sound bytes currently.

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Nice.

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And next up on our roadmap is
the value tag and transcripts.

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Nice What are you going to how
are you how are you going to do

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the value tag? what's what's
your plan there?

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Our plan is to use the Ellen pay
integration that will be our

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starting point. showed it to our
co founder Korean the other day

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and he was impressed by how easy
it looked. So yeah, we're hoping

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to get that in in April.

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What will the user experience be
like on it?

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Probably similar to all the
other apps we could have

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streaming sets we could have a
boost button. That is the

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intention nice aside for now.

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Nice.

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As well go

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ahead. No, no, go ahead. Go
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I was gonna say something about
the sound bites tag.

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Please do because you because
you kind of in my forgetting

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that you kind of drove that.
Dave did that come from some I

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remember that bus route

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is some I remember the pod verse
app being with the clips being

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like the shining example. I may
be misremembering.

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While we are integrated with
sound bites, I'm not sure there

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are that many apps that are
integrated with it. But so I

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think that this is the most
underrated and underutilized tag

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in 2.0. Because a sound bite is
just a clip. And what we have

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right now, if I check the
databases, we have 140,000 sound

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bytes that are created by the
podcasters themselves and shared

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in their RSS feeds. And only
about 20 of them have titles. So

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we have a ton of the sound
bytes, which from pod versus

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perspective, we could just start
sharing on our homepage and

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across the app to help, you
know, raise exposure for these

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different podcasts. But without
a title, we don't want the site

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to just be full of untitled clip
right? everywhere,

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right?

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And I'm not entirely sure why
that's happening. Because I know

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fireside has titles enabled,
maybe there's like a

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communication thing, maybe
podcasters aren't aware of the

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value it could bring to them. If
they just add a title, these

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clips are already creating

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this this week, we should get
his message out to Dan Benjamin

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and Tom Ross and all this guy.
We should throw that message out

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there and just see, like, what
if their UI is allowing you to

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do a sound that without a title?
It might be worth considering me

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to making that mandatory?
Because that you're right. I

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mean, that really is a PR thing.
And I thought about that?

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Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, I'll
apologize. I'll stand corrected.

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If it turns out it's a bug on
our end, but every time I've

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checked it out, it seems that
there just aren't titles with

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the vast majority of sound bites
that are being shared. So I

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think there's a lot of untapped
potential there. To raise

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visibility for podcasts.

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Yeah. And is it as buzzsprout is
really the creation tool?

448
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:58,860
Because unlike the, the cobbler,
whose kids have no shoes over

449
00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:04,620
here? Where does that go? Where
does the data go? Does that go

450
00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:09,210
in in in a separate JSON file? I
am woefully unaware.

451
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:17,970
For the kritis the sound bites
within the RSS feed itself. So

452
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,970
whereas the chapters go on a
separate JSON file, okay,

453
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,880
gotcha. sound bites are Yeah,
got, which I guess it's kind of

454
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,680
arbitrary. The sound bytes could
be in the

455
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:31,590
notes file. Well, I mean, the
reason why and, and this is kind

456
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:35,790
of an anomaly overall. And this
is something started a long,

457
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:40,500
long time ago, in podcasting, I,
I've always come from a life to

458
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,740
tape perspective, like I've and
that's just because I've done

459
00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:46,530
radio. And that's the kind of
the nature of it. I've done tons

460
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:49,200
of pre recorded stuff, but I've
always found if you do it live,

461
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,710
it's best. And you can always
fix something. But because of

462
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:58,260
the lack of really good studio
tools, and I tried, I tried that

463
00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:02,040
was a failed venture. For me, I
really tried to put something in

464
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,410
the marketplace that would make
it apparent and easy for

465
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:08,220
everybody. Because what we wound
up with is an entire generation

466
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:12,510
of podcast producers, who were
sitting there kind of like, you

467
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:16,590
know, Phil Spector wall of sound
with 29 tracks and like, Okay,

468
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:19,860
I've got everything, and it's
all of this thing done. Post,

469
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,400
which then also, since you're
doing that, anyway, gives you

470
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,170
the opportunity to, you know, to
do post and do chapters and do

471
00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:32,460
get your transcripts up and
running. And, you know, get your

472
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:38,940
sound bites selected before you
publish. And for me personally,

473
00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:43,890
but I think for a lot of timely
content, especially if it's

474
00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:48,120
long, the idea of that being
dynamic is pretty important. And

475
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,620
so sound clips from being
selected before I publish the

476
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:56,730
RSS feed is always going to be a
problem for me. Does that make

477
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:57,420
any sense?

478
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:02,760
I'm not sure I'm following you
saying that before? Yes, sir.

479
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
The sound bites are put in the
RSS feed.

480
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:09,180
No, that's the that's the point.
It's like, I need to get the

481
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:13,320
show out. Before I have time to
do all of that stuff, because it

482
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
would extend the time between
recording and production by at

483
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,910
least another three hours. So
for someone Someone has to go

484
00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:23,400
back and say, Okay, here's the
here's the chapter, here's a

485
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
soundbite. Here's the events, a
lot of that's true post

486
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,130
production of the of the end
product. And for me, I love the

487
00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:35,820
dynamic nature. So I can say to
the community or designate

488
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,670
certain people like Dred Scott,
and say, okay, you just do those

489
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:41,550
chapters, and they'll show up
when they show up. And as long

490
00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:44,070
as he's listening a little bit
faster than everyone else,

491
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:47,340
they'll kind of catch up. And
this then this works almost

492
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:50,550
everywhere. Not in breeze,
interestingly, because, you

493
00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,010
know, it's like, oh, we just
thought we'd cash that shit and

494
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:55,980
it'd be fine and your episode
art doesn't work there. There's

495
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:59,970
all these little nuances that
that make it kind of a

496
00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:02,670
Challenge. So it's nothing
wrong. It's just it's harder for

497
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:03,840
me to take advantage of it.

498
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,340
Yes, that's what I thought.
That's what I thought about pod

499
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:12,780
verse with the sound bites. Is
it lined up perfectly with what

500
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:15,240
y'all are doing? because y'all
are almost like the soundbite

501
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,320
that that you're the soundbite
repository. You know, like there

502
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,490
could be, because you could put
eggs, because what you're saying

503
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,950
is like the dynamic nature of
chapters where you can just

504
00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:28,260
throw a fall out there, and then
it can be slowly built over

505
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:32,400
time. Yeah. After publishing.
Yeah, is beautiful. And then,

506
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:36,960
but then you have like, the
sound bites. If they have to be

507
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,140
in their public publish time,
that puts the job back on you

508
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:43,680
and the community can do it
correct. Yeah. I wonder, you

509
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,780
know, and that, that makes me
think, okay, that the sound

510
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:54,390
bites? If I'm not mistaken.
Didn't Benjamin Bellamy put that

511
00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:55,860
into his recommendation thing?

512
00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:00,930
Because that could be, I think
the sound I think the

513
00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:04,170
recommendation tech can handle
those sound buys. And that is an

514
00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,690
external, you know, piece of
data, which is interesting,

515
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:10,050
because now it comes back to
something I didn't understand in

516
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:13,560
the beginning, which Daniel J.
Lewis was saying, with a j

517
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:20,430
stands for JSON. was saying, We
need a metadata file. And now

518
00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:22,440
I'm slowly starting to see the
issue.

519
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:27,930
Yeah, not that. I'm gonna start
sure to say into Daniel J. Lewis

520
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:30,990
was right. Yeah, please,
careful. Because I don't want to

521
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:38,160
get I mean, I don't want to go
that far. No. I think the I

522
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,370
think it makes sense, though. I
mean, he, you know, the chapters

523
00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:44,520
really could become that
metadata file. I think it will.

524
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:47,730
Eventually anyway, because we're
putting location and stuff in

525
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:51,180
there that this time around.
We're gonna say, Mitch,

526
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:55,770
I was gonna say that I can see a
use case for sound bites also

527
00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:58,980
being updated after Yeah, after
the episode goes live,

528
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,720
especially when you integrate
community chapters, which could

529
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:08,820
also be community sound bites.
You know, your source. I

530
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:12,720
mean, I mean, totally, because,
what, what some people find

531
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,960
funny sometimes, like, Oh, I
gotta send this clip, I'd love

532
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
to clip this is not necessarily
something that I might find

533
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,360
funny. And, and, and I think
the, the, not when it comes to

534
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,040
humor, but a great example is c
span, you go to C span.org. You

535
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,360
can make clips of their clips.
And man, that is handy. And it

536
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,470
just shows up there. You know,
here's this full video for our

537
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:39,870
hearing. But then people have
gone in there said oh, I here's

538
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:44,040
the bit where we're this guy
says this thing. And it's and of

539
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,530
course, they also have
searchable transcripts. Hello, I

540
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:50,940
love that feature on pod friend.
These things are all little

541
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:53,850
little bits that just make it
such a better experience.

542
00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:56,880
are y'all doing transcripts?
Mitch, now he's

543
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,110
on nice to come in next. Right.

544
00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:01,260
coming next you have value and
transcripts for April.

545
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,370
Are you distracted?

546
00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:04,830
Are you considering a search of
the transcript?

547
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Yes, definitely. I think it was
the you know, the time coded

548
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,870
search fits really well with
clips. No, see, there's

549
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:17,790
another external file, right.
That's another thing that that

550
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:20,460
we use externally. That's
another thing because it takes a

551
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:24,660
good it's almost one to one with
AI text transcription.

552
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:30,690
Yeah, I think that those those
sort of cloud based things that

553
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:35,550
come later, those are, those are
really powerful. Because I think

554
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:38,010
this with the sound, the
original idea of sound bites is

555
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:41,910
that it was always going to be
the podcaster who was in control

556
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:45,420
of it. But he know what is
interesting. The one one thing

557
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:51,000
we're finding out with the whole
podcasting 2.0 you know, motion

558
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,080
here is that this stuff is
actually way more powerful when

559
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,180
you let give up a little bit of
control, and give it to you, you

560
00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:02,460
can retain that control if you
want you got a guy like john

561
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:08,460
cigi which I'm going to plug his
causality podcast again that

562
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:09,450
they taught

563
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,440
us very, and it's got value tag
enabled. I was gonna value

564
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,220
block. Oh,

565
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:20,100
yeah, boosting boost that thing
like crazy.

566
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:23,700
I've already spent I think 30
bucks in three days boosting

567
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:27,690
making it rain.

568
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:33,090
I'm doing the same thing. I went
up I ran must face dry. And then

569
00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:35,190
when breeze came out, I've
almost run it dry.

570
00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:41,010
I ran my Sphinx dry. That's
that's a slogan right there.

571
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,800
So I get, you know, I'm
thinking, you know, podcasts

572
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,860
like that, you know, he he's
just a guy that wants to control

573
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:53,820
everything. So he wants he and
he it fits with his podcast.

574
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:59,490
Sure. Exactly. Now he he's doing
these long complicated in depth

575
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:02,580
things where He's got like 20
pages of show notes and he's

576
00:35:02,580 --> 00:35:07,740
walking through details of help
somebody increment a variable

577
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:11,190
and rolled over because it was a
word instead of a D word. And

578
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:15,450
they went, they went over to 56.
And Oh, damn, Jennifer,

579
00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:18,090
we need a hot math talk jingle
now.

580
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,090
assembly language Yeah.

581
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:32,850
Are you still here? Did you
leave us? Did you just like,

582
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:34,260
fuck these guys? I'm gone.

583
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:43,950
No. He's looking at his college
course catalog for more. Now,

584
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:46,170
but you get a gala. You know,
like that he's doing he's

585
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,680
controlling every part of his
podcast. He's an engineer. But

586
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920
then you get, you know, like you
You know, you're a radio guy

587
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,530
love guy. And this was like,
shoot, man. I'm just gonna do

588
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:57,630
this thing live and then I'm
gonna let the community take

589
00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:00,390
control. Right like you got both
you got both aspects.

590
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:02,310
Both it's both ends of the
spectrum. Sure.

591
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:08,430
Yeah, it's killer. Yeah. I got I
got clips. Oh, I got a couple

592
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:15,420
clips. You wanna? Yes. You want
to listen to play? which one I

593
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:18,690
want to do first? Let's do let's
do the one that brought of

594
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:24,270
London set. Okay, it's free. I
want to call it like BBC some.

595
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,460
The price of song.

596
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,720
Yeah, that's it. Okay.

597
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,830
This can be the year of the
song. I think things will happen

598
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:38,400
this year, the year in which
songs are traded alongside gold

599
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:42,300
and oil premium assets on the
stock market, the year in which

600
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,870
songs continue to drive the
music biz boom, creating huge

601
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:49,410
profits for the record companies
and the streaming services like

602
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,900
Amazon, Apple and Spotify. But
can 2021 also be the year in

603
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,320
which the Songwriters themselves
secure a more equitable

604
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,920
renumeration for their work
beyond our various knows all

605
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,700
about heads, but he's recently
become president of CSAC, the

606
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:10,140
global confederation of authors
and composers like many who

607
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:13,410
wants a better royalty deal for
songwriters. And with the

608
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:17,160
technology by which we hear
music evolving rapidly, beyond

609
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160
once changes to the way in which
our subscriptions to the

610
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,520
streaming services are
distributed as royalty payments,

611
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:29,490
I want my subscriptions to go to
the people I play. I think

612
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,210
that's very natural. I mean,
when you bought CDs you didn't

613
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:37,320
buy CDs from Also, if you want
that CD, you have to buy that

614
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,820
one, that one, that one and that
one too. It was never like that.

615
00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:46,380
But with us centric. And it is
technically possible. I'm

616
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:50,760
absolutely certain that with
that. You could be a niche

617
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:58,650
artist with 2000 3000 loyal
followers. And if they pay you,

618
00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:03,300
you get all their subscriptions,
which means that you actually

619
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:09,120
could live off that. But as it
is now, it all goes to those

620
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,870
mega artists who have billions
of clicks. And that's one thing

621
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:13,500
we could change

622
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,930
those mega artists that you're
referring to include Abba,

623
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:21,540
you're benefiting from that
system at the moment, I guess.

624
00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:21,900
Yes.

625
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:32,730
That's a great clip. Clip. Did
you see that brain fart I had

626
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:33,360
this morning,

627
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:35,040
which one?

628
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:42,090
I was thinking years and years
years ago, we set up something

629
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:45,690
called the pod safe music
network. And the idea that and

630
00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:52,200
the idea was and it was it was
part of a pod show. But we

631
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,290
bought podcast alley, I think we
acquired them. And so the guy

632
00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:00,810
who was running that he took
over and did a very good job

633
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,050
with the podcast podsafe music
network. And what it was is as

634
00:39:07,050 --> 00:39:12,150
long as it was your material, as
you owned it, we had a license

635
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:15,690
and you signed the license. And
the agreement was you make this,

636
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:20,970
you provide this for podcasters
to play in this show, with the

637
00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:25,050
promise that they will report
back to you in what show they

638
00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:28,140
played it and any other
statistics moving forward or

639
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:33,090
whatever. And we actually got
some, like older musicians who

640
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,730
owned some different material
they owned outright and they

641
00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:39,240
were putting it up there. But of
course, the value of just a bit

642
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:45,480
of exposure on podcast wasn't
very satisfactory. And I was

643
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,190
thinking if we had a similar
type of setup, this is what

644
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:54,480
podcast index, in essence
outside of the decentralization

645
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:58,560
of the information was set up to
do is to take out the Performing

646
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,000
Rights Organizations to Remove
these big black boxes, where

647
00:40:03,060 --> 00:40:07,050
your songs played on the radio.
And 48 months later, a penny

648
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:10,170
drips out the other end, you
know, forget about the

649
00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:13,590
streaming, that's all the record
companies, they get most of that

650
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:17,520
money. That's that's a, it's a
complete joke. They own

651
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:22,110
significant stakes in Spotify. I
mean, that's, it's it's really a

652
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:27,180
cartel if you ask me. So the
idea would be, if you have if

653
00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:31,080
you play a song or a number of
songs, I get 100 songs on your

654
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,120
show, you put in the value block
splits and sub splits. So there

655
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,480
should be a band block. And that
band block has its own

656
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,720
subdivision, amongst the bass
player, the singer, the

657
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,190
composer, the writer could be
the same people. And then each

658
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:51,660
payment piece goes to the
podcast, and then whatever split

659
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:55,710
you determine, goes to the
individuals who just like a

660
00:40:55,710 --> 00:40:59,250
producer of that actual podcast,
you could send that split to the

661
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:00,930
band to the band block.

662
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:05,850
Yeah, that said that. Did you
see that thing that? That I

663
00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:10,650
tweeted yesterday of listening
to the lightning music store?

664
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Oh, yeah. Wait, isn't that um,
that is that a an app that they

665
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,810
made for Sphinx?

666
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:19,320
That's no, that's a breeze. I
was listening to that on breeze.

667
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:25,290
So lightning lightning dot.
Where's this? URL? Lightning

668
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:26,100
does store the

669
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:30,000
name is Sam. Oh, it's in there.
Oh, it's in their marketplace?

670
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,760
What apps, their app sections
what it's called, I guess?

671
00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:35,700
Well, if you if you go into
breeze and just search for a

672
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,800
podcast called lightning music
store.

673
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:42,510
Oh, hold on a second. I
misunderstood

674
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,890
yet. Interesting that that is
essential. That is essentially

675
00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:52,650
an album of music in podcast
form. And it's it's good music.

676
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:56,370
And um, it just don't. I helped
him get on get his.

677
00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:58,890
Oh, my goodness, this is great.

678
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,070
Yeah, helping get his podcasts
listed. And I started listening

679
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:06,420
to it. And I was like, Oh, well,
I'm listening to an album in

680
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:08,010
breeze and he's getting sets.

681
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,370
So here's the guy that we need
to know another example of how

682
00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:15,600
we need to be able to do the
splits outside of the RSS feed,

683
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,160
obviously, because that's going
to be a while.

684
00:42:17,850 --> 00:42:23,790
Yeah, I mean, like that. So I'm
thinking stuff like this makes a

685
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:29,010
thing like pod verse. like super
beneficial. Because you have

686
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:31,650
like, if people start doing
music, if they start doing

687
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,540
albums as podcasts, oh,

688
00:42:33,540 --> 00:42:34,080
man,

689
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:38,700
bunion you talk about having
like clips mid Yeah,

690
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:39,660
talk to us, bro.

691
00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:44,700
I love the idea of, you know,
direct artists to audience

692
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,300
connection, cut out the
middleman and process the

693
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,820
payments directly. I think
that'd be great. And there is

694
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:55,650
absolutely the possibility to
take music into podcasting as

695
00:42:55,650 --> 00:43:00,420
well. Who knows what's possible
with RSS feeds? Alone? Like?

696
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,280
Yeah,

697
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:04,230
we'd love to be able to support,
you

698
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:07,860
know, in regards to this, and I
know he's listening my my

699
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:13,200
friend, but my partner Mo, Mo
facts show. And that's the title

700
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,660
for today's podcast in 2.0 board
meeting, he saw he saw the Max

701
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:22,380
Keiser, and Stacy Herbert bit.
Yesterday they were talking

702
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:27,660
about about podcasting. 2.0.
And, well, you know, everyone's

703
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:30,240
all over the map, you know, it's
a it's breeze, it's shrinks.

704
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,670
It's the shrinks model. It's the
breeze network and whatever it

705
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,490
doesn't doesn't really matter
that that doesn't matter that

706
00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:39,990
much. And Moe all of a sudden
that clicked. And we text

707
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,490
regularly during the week. And
he says, Oh my god, I get it.

708
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:48,270
This is your RSS feed is your
ticket to freedom that is your

709
00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:51,900
that is that is you. You send
out the value through your feed

710
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:55,530
comes back through through the
lightning network. And he said

711
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:59,550
you are truly digital Ave
abolitionists and had to think

712
00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:02,640
about it for a second. You know,
I was like, because it's a

713
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,760
really weighted word,
particularly coming from Moe.

714
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:10,440
And like, he said, what I
believed him to be saying is we

715
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:16,710
are helping people out of the
digital slavery getting in in

716
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:19,560
the digital world, but taking
away from the digital slavery

717
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,080
that exists within that world.
And did you clip that from the

718
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,290
orange pill that bit that Max
was talking about the business

719
00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:30,210
model of the Silicon Valley? I
was while I was trying not to be

720
00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:32,970
distracted by the crazy get up
that Max was wearing

721
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:35,250
the white hair on the shades?

722
00:44:36,570 --> 00:44:37,260
Yes, I did.

723
00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:41,880
You know when you have, I don't
know 1000 or 10,000 Bitcoin or

724
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,080
100,000 Bitcoin in, in cold
storage somewhere, anywhere,

725
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:52,770
whatever you want. This was and
and I really appreciate what

726
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:58,020
they did, because they
understand exactly the overall

727
00:44:58,020 --> 00:45:00,810
concept and there's a lot of
weeds that the People are wading

728
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:03,570
through. So what's happening
here? But they really got it. So

729
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:04,320
I'll play this.

730
00:45:05,429 --> 00:45:10,559
Yeah, it's Adam Curry, the prod
father is really relaunched.

731
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:15,659
He's the re repop. Launching
podcasting to point out, this is

732
00:45:15,659 --> 00:45:20,219
the newest thing, he's totally
got some fantastic product up

733
00:45:20,219 --> 00:45:23,069
there and running in your
streaming sets, you know, then I

734
00:45:23,069 --> 00:45:26,459
can see on my, my Twitter feed
that the podcasters and

735
00:45:26,459 --> 00:45:29,189
everybody are taking this
immediately, it's got traction

736
00:45:29,219 --> 00:45:35,009
instantaneously. And, you know,
lasers can stream sets to to the

737
00:45:35,009 --> 00:45:39,359
creators and start off at the de
minimis level of, I think, five

738
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:42,869
cents an hour or something like
that. And you can you pick and

739
00:45:42,869 --> 00:45:48,449
choose. And this is going to
really challenge the current

740
00:45:48,479 --> 00:45:53,909
market, the current status of
social media is everyone gives

741
00:45:53,939 --> 00:45:57,689
all the people in Silicon Valley
all have their talent for free,

742
00:45:58,019 --> 00:46:03,749
and they get nothing. That model
is ripe for disruption. Looks

743
00:46:03,749 --> 00:46:06,059
like Adam Curry has sorted it
and he figured it out. He said,

744
00:46:06,059 --> 00:46:08,759
Wait a minute, why don't we
actually have a two way exchange

745
00:46:08,759 --> 00:46:13,979
so that creators and consumers
have a market? And let's get rid

746
00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:18,419
of all these gatekeepers and
pirates, with these social media

747
00:46:18,419 --> 00:46:19,979
sites? And that's what he's
done.

748
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:26,400
crack me up. I mean, it's so
true. It's such a boil that

749
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,370
down. So Silicon Valley, social
medias, like it gives them

750
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:30,570
everything you get nothing.

751
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:33,000
That's their business model is

752
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,620
the business model is beautiful.
Yeah. Now there was a good

753
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:40,440
question posed. And I want to
get Mitchell's opinion on this

754
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:44,730
by Stephen Bell, on the
mastodon. Now, how the how the

755
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:50,280
developers are feeling about
diving into lightning network,

756
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:54,030
do in some hybrid models like
the Ellen pay, which I think

757
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:56,100
you're implementing? Mitch,
it's, you know, there's,

758
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:58,320
there's, you know, who was
holding what, and who's

759
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,930
responsible for what? And his
question I think was really

760
00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,620
good. It's like, hey, how do all
you guys feel about it? What

761
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:07,860
what you know, and there were
some interesting answers. And

762
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:09,690
I'd love to hear your take on
it, Mitch.

763
00:47:10,409 --> 00:47:15,719
Yeah. At a high level, it's not
that difficult. It makes sense

764
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,599
that what I have had trickiness
is just setting up a node

765
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:23,039
personally. But if that could be
offloaded to a third party

766
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,069
service, you know, we're just
putting small sums of money in

767
00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:29,849
then that problem would be
solved immediately. So I'm

768
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:32,759
impressed by how easy it seems
to be to be able to make this

769
00:47:32,759 --> 00:47:34,799
work within the Bitcoin
lightning network.

770
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:41,340
Nice. And this, I wanted to
mention satoshis stream satoshis

771
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:42,690
dot stream?

772
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,350
Well, you're gonna tell me what
this is. Because Yeah, I've just

773
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:50,010
been not being I have not
understood like, I've been in

774
00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:51,840
and out so much. I haven't even
figured out what this is.

775
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:56,220
Well, so there's two things to
this. And then we all the

776
00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:59,940
podcast index crew had a fun
experience with one side this

777
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:04,650
morning, as we start to kind of
meld these two worlds together.

778
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:09,480
So as we'll discuss in a moment,
the the lightning Bitcoin

779
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:16,740
network, people and developers
don't know much about podcasting

780
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:20,580
development and what that means
and what users and creators

781
00:48:21,210 --> 00:48:27,000
expect. So simultaneously, it's
very complex for people who

782
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,370
really understand podcasting to
get their hands quickly around

783
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:39,120
the notion of how lightning and
Greven crypto in general works.

784
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,690
It's counterintuitive. And
because of its anonymity and

785
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:46,860
decentralization, the typical
way someone pays you is you send

786
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:51,360
them an invoice first, this is
not Venmo Venmo feels very

787
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,610
differently. And so you know,
you have people solving that

788
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:59,400
problem in those ways. But to
set up a node is and there will

789
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,550
be podcaster nodes, that's an
offering Brees is going to be

790
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:07,950
doing. And I believe it'll just
be on the same breeze app they

791
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:12,000
have in their payment structure.
They have information coming

792
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,850
through show show name, Episode,
name, I think and then was it a

793
00:49:17,850 --> 00:49:21,840
stream or was it a boost. So
they will have some reporting

794
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:25,890
then and that functionality I
think will also be available

795
00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:30,450
outside of outside of the breeze
app for you. So you can connect

796
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:34,770
your any any wallet or anything
to it. But what Satoshi stream

797
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:37,620
is doing is a bunch of and I
think these are all Dutch

798
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:41,970
people. And if you look at the
the bubble chart, which I'll put

799
00:49:41,970 --> 00:49:47,880
in the show notes, you can see
that I think it's lightning

800
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,230
watch is a pretty big node in
the network that's theirs. And

801
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:56,460
so they have a little community
on telegram and they've set up a

802
00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:59,970
node with Uncle Jim and Uncle
Jim. No

803
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:01,410
No,

804
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:05,189
we met your racist.

805
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,630
How about

806
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:14,850
let's use a Dutch name instead
of Jim. Oh use uncle young uncle

807
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:16,710
young node j n

808
00:50:18,029 --> 00:50:19,409
non non racist.

809
00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:24,149
This is not non racist, unless
it's black paper, black.

810
00:50:26,249 --> 00:50:31,319
Alright, so they set up a Black
Pete node. And in the end, so

811
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:34,529
you have a little private I
think a virtual node within

812
00:50:34,529 --> 00:50:38,399
there, but you control it
completely with telegram

813
00:50:38,399 --> 00:50:41,579
commands. And and what they're
doing is they're saying come

814
00:50:41,579 --> 00:50:47,069
over here, we'll help you
understand how node works. And

815
00:50:47,249 --> 00:50:51,659
we'll immediately and here's the
path, you know, come over here,

816
00:50:51,689 --> 00:50:55,319
then go to podcast or wallet
COMM And then we will help you

817
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:59,819
understand how it works. And you
know, it's a complete custodial

818
00:50:59,819 --> 00:51:03,509
service, they hold the keys,
anything can go wrong. But the

819
00:51:03,509 --> 00:51:06,359
point is, once you get it
working, you can you know,

820
00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:09,689
transfer your money out whenever
you want to another wallet back

821
00:51:09,689 --> 00:51:12,299
to your and your own breeze,
wallet, whatever it is. But once

822
00:51:12,299 --> 00:51:14,879
you have an understanding, then
you can take that knowledge and

823
00:51:14,879 --> 00:51:17,339
set up your own note at home
where we will know what to look

824
00:51:17,339 --> 00:51:20,699
for if you're getting one from
one of the multiple vendors. So

825
00:51:20,699 --> 00:51:23,369
it's it's a it's an it's a
community, right? So there's

826
00:51:23,369 --> 00:51:28,019
people sitting there all day and
night, ready to help you out.

827
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:29,490
It's training wheels,

828
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:34,709
it's Yes, it's Thank you. It's
the Satoshi stream training

829
00:51:34,709 --> 00:51:40,829
wheels precisely. And it's also
it's also kind of just fun to

830
00:51:40,829 --> 00:51:45,569
interact with your node that
way. Just like you know, like a

831
00:51:45,629 --> 00:51:49,769
command line that you couldn't
control from, from your telegram

832
00:51:49,769 --> 00:51:50,039
app.

833
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:54,810
The node seems like the most
complex piece to get people on

834
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:58,320
boarded with. So if that can be
offloaded to a third party, that

835
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,830
would be awesome. Like for pod
versus plan, we're going to

836
00:52:01,830 --> 00:52:04,560
integrate with Ellen pay, which
simplifies the whole process to

837
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,910
go through their API. But it
would be awesome if breeze has

838
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:12,210
some sort of external
integration possibility where

839
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:15,750
the user can just like, log in
with their breeze wallet and

840
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:19,440
connected to pod verse and then
make use of our additional

841
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,880
podcast app features while using
the breeze wallet protocols and

842
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,800
the process. Oh, say that again?

843
00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:29,790
Say again, we kind of want to
make sure I understand. Well,

844
00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:34,710
I imagine if if breeze, if you
said that they're going to

845
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:36,990
handle the node for an
individual

846
00:52:37,139 --> 00:52:39,359
while the node for the proton
Well, for podcaster

847
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,680
or a podcaster? Well, I was
thinking in my head that if for

848
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,640
a new user, perhaps breeze would
have a fully functioning

849
00:52:47,790 --> 00:52:51,840
lightning node, user experience
it well.

850
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,480
So for what we're doing, they
indeed have done something

851
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,770
quite, seemingly quite
impossible. They have moved

852
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,910
pretty much the entire node, you
do have a full node in your

853
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:09,390
pocket, you can address it as
even a command line under the

854
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:15,900
developers menu, you can do all
your lncc li commands. But it's

855
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:20,940
not fully yours because they
manage the channels for you. And

856
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:24,750
they take care of making sure
that that's funded so that you

857
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:27,330
actually don't have to worry
about it. And because and when

858
00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:32,760
it's online, and they have a
very smart algorithmic payment

859
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,450
storage system. So even stuff
you've listened to offline or if

860
00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:40,170
a node may not be available,
temporary, temporarily or a

861
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:44,940
route, he will store that. Or it
will store it until the network

862
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:48,360
fees are the acceptable ratio to
send because he's all very low

863
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,360
amounts, you don't want to be
paying the same amount of fees

864
00:53:51,360 --> 00:54:00,570
as the payment itself. And but
receiving is is almost

865
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:04,890
impossible on a mobile on a
mobile app, which is why you I

866
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:10,380
think what they're doing is you
can have your, your podcast or

867
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:14,550
node connected to your existing
app as a podcaster. So that you

868
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:19,440
can use that to receive. But I
don't think you can tap into the

869
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,500
mobile wallet to use it for
other podcast apps if that's

870
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:23,310
what you're asking.

871
00:54:23,819 --> 00:54:26,219
Okay, gotcha. Well, yeah, that
would be ideal from our

872
00:54:26,219 --> 00:54:29,459
perspective. I mean, we would
love to add any crypto

873
00:54:29,459 --> 00:54:32,159
processing features we can
within the app, but you know,

874
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:35,369
our primary focus is to make the
best podcast listening

875
00:54:35,369 --> 00:54:38,759
experience. So of course,
leverage other people's

876
00:54:38,759 --> 00:54:42,599
resources and, you know, connect
our apps in a meaningful way

877
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:44,369
that would be ideal from our
perspective,

878
00:54:44,399 --> 00:54:45,929
you know, go ahead,

879
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:46,830
no, no, please go.

880
00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:51,390
You know, I think I think one
thing that may be interesting to

881
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,060
talk about here is the fact that
you know, what, everybody needs

882
00:54:57,060 --> 00:55:02,910
to get a piece of of the so to
speak, when it comes to this

883
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:07,500
sort of new paradigm. And it's
not just the podcasters. But you

884
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,170
know, what we've talked about
from day one is that pot the

885
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:14,700
podcaster? They Yeah, they'll
get the lion's share, because

886
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,400
they create the content, that
all down the chain, there's

887
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,370
other people adding value.
Exactly. There's the ad, there's

888
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:23,100
the the app that you listen to
it on. There's the hosting

889
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,780
company. There's analytics
people, there's people like,

890
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:32,970
there's the services like pod
verse, which have, which offer

891
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:37,710
sort of the tangential service
of clipping and other value add

892
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:43,530
things on top of a podcast. And
so like, any way that did a

893
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:49,500
service, like pod verse, can
sort of attach itself to that

894
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:53,070
value chain, to me is not only
legitimate, but necessary,

895
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:58,290
correctly. So if you have, and,
and I guess the way that would

896
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,340
that would play itself out is,
you know, when I go to pay for

897
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:07,470
pod verse, but when I go to pod
verse, and I make a clip, like I

898
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:11,340
did yesterday, last night, you
know, there's, there's the

899
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:17,670
aspect of, I'm a, I'm a paying
customer, but then also, that

900
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,150
the clip the Creator, when I,
when I clip that there's

901
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:25,290
probably there needs to be some
other way where the podcaster

902
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:29,190
can get the value when people
listen to that clip. And at the

903
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:29,940
same time,

904
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:32,250
parsers compression a
percentage? And how about the

905
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:34,200
person who created the clip gets
a piece?

906
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:37,710
Yeah. Yeah, like your throat?
There's, you're throwing that

907
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:38,640
back? Right?

908
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,239
multiple, multiple ways. Yeah.
So this is where it gets very,

909
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,659
very beautiful. And this is the
gap that I'm trying to close.

910
00:56:45,689 --> 00:56:51,569
Let me see if I can tackle this.
So we had, I had a very nice

911
00:56:51,569 --> 00:56:56,729
chat with Roy at breeze this
morning. And we both apologize

912
00:56:56,729 --> 00:57:00,239
to each other. It was
interesting. He said, Adam, I

913
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:06,869
apologize. I did not think it
all the way through what kind of

914
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:12,269
users I would be encountering by
entering the podcast space. He

915
00:57:12,269 --> 00:57:16,469
says, I completely am familiar
and comfortable with the

916
00:57:16,469 --> 00:57:20,099
lightning and Bitcoin space.
And, you know, there's all my

917
00:57:20,099 --> 00:57:23,039
god, you know, there's a whole
global banking system that is

918
00:57:23,129 --> 00:57:27,149
against people like, like breeze
and swings, you know, they don't

919
00:57:27,149 --> 00:57:32,159
like it at all. But he said, You
know, I'm really, I'm struggling

920
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,589
with a whole bunch of things.
And I said, Oh, my God, I'm

921
00:57:34,589 --> 00:57:39,479
sorry, I didn't prepare you. And
so here's an example. There was

922
00:57:39,479 --> 00:57:46,679
a podcast, that additive value
block popped up. And Roy got an

923
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,349
you know, a couple of emails and
some posts and people saying,

924
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:56,309
you know, why is that filth
being shown? And that now, you

925
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:58,799
know, the way Brees has it set
up is they're only surfacing

926
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:01,199
podcast with value blocks that
we talked about. So this is

927
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:03,359
someone's like, oh, cool, I'm
going to be an early adopter,

928
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:08,009
I'm going to jump in there. And
you know, that, that just the

929
00:58:08,009 --> 00:58:11,609
sight of that person's name is
can be triggering to some

930
00:58:11,609 --> 00:58:14,969
people. And he didn't know how
to handle it. And he literally

931
00:58:14,969 --> 00:58:17,429
said, I'm looking for guidance,
because I don't know, what do I

932
00:58:17,429 --> 00:58:20,429
do? I mean, I said, Well, you
know, what we what we can't do?

933
00:58:21,209 --> 00:58:24,629
He said, yeah, we can't censor
say we can't block. You know,

934
00:58:24,659 --> 00:58:28,889
we're, that's we won't do that.
In fact, we had an internal pre

935
00:58:28,889 --> 00:58:32,789
board meeting. And, you know, we
said this, like three reasons

936
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:36,569
something would be taken off.
One was for security or safety

937
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:40,349
of the index itself, if
someone's hacking spamming, etc.

938
00:58:40,649 --> 00:58:47,189
and two is if it's a, like a
legal, valid legal takedown by

939
00:58:47,189 --> 00:58:51,089
some legal entity in jurist
jurisdiction or a DMCA, so the

940
00:58:51,269 --> 00:58:55,829
copyright violation, and there's
no Step three, it's those two,

941
00:58:55,889 --> 00:59:00,179
that's it. And so at the same
time, I'm like, you know what,

942
00:59:00,179 --> 00:59:02,519
let me just give you a couple
other things. And then I

943
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,909
apologize because I was so
excited about getting podcasting

944
00:59:05,909 --> 00:59:09,329
working with lightning that I
overlooked Well, they already

945
00:59:09,329 --> 00:59:12,059
did one thing they they got
chapters they put chapters in

946
00:59:12,059 --> 00:59:16,139
from the launch fantastic, but
didn't understand the dynamic

947
00:59:16,139 --> 00:59:20,519
nature. So if you look at the no
agenda, part even this one, I'm

948
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:25,049
sure when it's published, it'll
say you know, help create

949
00:59:25,049 --> 00:59:30,029
chapters at at hypercasual calm
and because they cache it, and

950
00:59:30,059 --> 00:59:33,989
it still has the same image for
from two shows ago. It doesn't

951
00:59:33,989 --> 00:59:37,019
matter with peace with the
podcasting 2.0 but it does with

952
00:59:37,019 --> 00:59:39,299
no agenda, because they're
caching it so it's just stuff he

953
00:59:39,299 --> 00:59:43,709
didn't know. He had no idea and
for us it's second nature right?

954
00:59:43,709 --> 00:59:46,589
We're like Ah, now he got the
two times speed but what what do

955
00:59:46,589 --> 00:59:50,009
I see in the telegram group, so
it comes in? Well, we need to

956
00:59:50,009 --> 00:59:53,639
have three times three times
speed playback three times. Oh,

957
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:57,570
my God, what kind of drugs is
this girl and

958
00:59:57,659 --> 01:00:00,599
enjoys like what we have two
times Yeah. But if you go to

959
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:03,299
antenna pod and you hold down,
you can customize it to three

960
01:00:03,299 --> 01:00:08,519
side three times fate. Thank you
very, very, very excited about

961
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:09,029
the whole thing.

962
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:10,529
Yeah, Betty was.

963
01:00:11,759 --> 01:00:14,009
So what's all these little
nuances, you know? And so I'm

964
01:00:14,009 --> 01:00:16,319
like, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
make a little hitlist for you.

965
01:00:16,499 --> 01:00:22,199
So what we're seeing here is the
two worlds not not understanding

966
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,509
enough about each other right
now. Because the things that

967
01:00:24,509 --> 01:00:30,809
you're saying, Mitch, holy crap.
I mean, how, and also Dave, what

968
01:00:30,809 --> 01:00:33,539
you just said, if you put that
all together, and you have

969
01:00:33,569 --> 01:00:38,639
within, let's just say for
argument's sake, virtually, my

970
01:00:38,669 --> 01:00:42,089
my pod verse app is a wallet at
the same time, just like breeze.

971
01:00:42,689 --> 01:00:47,009
Think of all the crazy shit you
can do, then you because then I

972
01:00:47,009 --> 01:00:51,299
am receiving me, for the work
I'm doing on that app, it

973
01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:55,799
becomes highly interactive.
Because I create a clip, the

974
01:00:55,799 --> 01:00:59,339
clip goes out there, I promote
the clip, the clip gets played,

975
01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:02,909
the app gets a piece, the
podcaster gets a piece and I get

976
01:01:02,909 --> 01:01:07,559
a piece. Now that now now as as
my friend in Alabama would say

977
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:08,819
you're cooking with gas.

978
01:01:10,889 --> 01:01:14,849
sounds incredible to me. Yeah.
I'd say since we're a free and

979
01:01:14,849 --> 01:01:18,179
open source project, that it
would be a perfect fit with our,

980
01:01:18,449 --> 01:01:21,179
with what we're doing here.
Because we're our priorities are

981
01:01:21,179 --> 01:01:24,689
not fundamentally to make as
much money as possible, but to

982
01:01:25,259 --> 01:01:29,909
deliver the most value to our
users and the podcasters. So and

983
01:01:29,909 --> 01:01:32,819
the clip creators themselves,
because they're content

984
01:01:32,819 --> 01:01:36,629
creators. So yeah, I think it
would fit in perfectly. Yeah,

985
01:01:36,659 --> 01:01:36,989
man,

986
01:01:36,990 --> 01:01:40,830
I can I can just imagine, like
the army of clip creators that

987
01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:44,580
would come and show up and like
feeding clips directly to shows

988
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:48,210
like no agenda. But if they knew
that they could share in the

989
01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:49,920
value of that, of creating that.

990
01:01:50,429 --> 01:01:56,969
So here's what we need. And I
don't I mean, lm Putin was great

991
01:01:57,089 --> 01:02:00,479
LMP he has a whole business
there. So this is new, and he

992
01:02:00,479 --> 01:02:04,199
has to make his own evaluations.
And by the way, he's been super

993
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:08,939
helpful. We had a routing
routing problem for some of the

994
01:02:08,939 --> 01:02:14,459
breeze payments to swings. And,
and I spent at least six hours

995
01:02:14,459 --> 01:02:18,029
yesterday, with all three
parties, including Graham at

996
01:02:18,029 --> 01:02:21,749
voltage trying to figure out why
some payments were failing. And

997
01:02:21,809 --> 01:02:25,229
we could see that the routes
were just not there. So I sent

998
01:02:25,229 --> 01:02:29,459
him a message say, Yo, I see you
got a channel from from breeze,

999
01:02:29,459 --> 01:02:32,489
can you route to the swings,
notice he had no problem. Boom,

1000
01:02:32,609 --> 01:02:35,729
there you go. Look at the bubble
graph, you can see, you can see

1001
01:02:35,729 --> 01:02:40,259
that he's almost the gateway for
breeze into the network. I mean,

1002
01:02:40,259 --> 01:02:41,909
it's it's phenomenal. So what we
need

1003
01:02:41,939 --> 01:02:46,829
is, that's like it. Tim is like
the most unassuming guy ever.

1004
01:02:47,279 --> 01:02:51,389
Loving. He's like the most chill
dude. But he's also he's the set

1005
01:02:51,389 --> 01:02:53,579
this guy's deceptively
intelligent.

1006
01:02:53,670 --> 01:03:00,870
Exactly. So what we need, I
think, Mitch, is we need someone

1007
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:06,930
who has a service, very much
like Ellen pay with the app

1008
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:09,480
because Ellen pays taking
responsibility because they are

1009
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:18,690
custodial. For for those wallets
that that you're using. If Let

1010
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:22,530
me see if I can phrase this
right. It says you have an uncle

1011
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:27,360
Yon node situation where which
is kind of in between where it's

1012
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,350
noncustodial. But you still
could get fuck somewhere. So

1013
01:03:31,350 --> 01:03:35,040
there's some trust involved in
that. But the service would be

1014
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:40,830
here's an API for wallets. But
what else do you need? Someone

1015
01:03:40,830 --> 01:03:44,640
who's thinking with us? And is
because think about the

1016
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,610
business? I mean, if I were a
younger man, I would be doing

1017
01:03:47,610 --> 01:03:50,490
this already. But like, holy
shit, I'm setting up nodes. I'm

1018
01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:54,480
providing this. I'm building
API's for podcast apps, because

1019
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,010
we're never going to get those
to me. So right now, anyone

1020
01:03:59,010 --> 01:04:02,910
who's in the wallet business has
a very rich API to do stuff with

1021
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:07,980
we the index has created so much
value there. But we don't have

1022
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,200
is the counterparty on the node
back end infrastructure

1023
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:16,920
business, who can provide that
service with, you know, thinking

1024
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,860
with us going Oh, shit, okay,
you need an API. So we can

1025
01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:22,890
somehow do these clips and get
and get the person who's using

1026
01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:26,040
the app paid as well hold my
beer. That's what I'm that's

1027
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:26,910
what we're looking for.

1028
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:30,960
Yeah, if somebody wanted to take
on that challenge, I mean, it

1029
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,100
would be fair for us to include
a split of the value payments to

1030
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,220
them for integrating allowing us
to integrate with their

1031
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:38,940
technology,

1032
01:04:39,540 --> 01:04:44,790
of course, and I think that and
by the way, that's the beauty of

1033
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:47,880
this community, everybody gets
paid. If you don't get paid,

1034
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:50,220
this is not going to happen.
It's not going to work. And

1035
01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:54,360
since we're dealing with literal
payments of you know, 1,000th of

1036
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:59,520
a cent. It works out quite well
over time. So Satoshi stream

1037
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,930
that Take 1%, I think when you
transfer your money out of their

1038
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:06,510
wallet, so they make a little
bit so they get a little bit,

1039
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:07,500
they get a little fee.

1040
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,889
And that's why I like seeing
this. I like seeing these

1041
01:05:10,889 --> 01:05:16,379
payment models sort of emerge is
because the the 1%, when you

1042
01:05:16,379 --> 01:05:20,159
take stuff out seems to be
becoming a standard from from

1043
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:22,889
what I've seen. Yeah, I

1044
01:05:22,890 --> 01:05:26,640
think that's what Tim is doing
to at LMP.

1045
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,300
Yeah, as far as if, if I
understood him, right. He

1046
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:33,990
doesn't take any, any cut until
you transfer it to transfer

1047
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:35,220
it out. Which makes sense.

1048
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:38,940
Yeah, that seems like a totally
fair thing that makes makes a

1049
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:41,730
lot of sense. It's like a, Nick,
because we, when we first talked

1050
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:44,160
to him, he was like, we're like,
why are you gonna make money?

1051
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:44,850
He's like, I don't know.

1052
01:05:46,469 --> 01:05:50,549
Well, I'm looking at breeze. And
you know, and they've been very

1053
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:53,189
clear. And I love that they're
very transparent. And they show

1054
01:05:53,189 --> 01:05:59,339
you right up front, we're taking
5%. And if you if you go look at

1055
01:05:59,339 --> 01:06:03,299
their documentation, they say,
and here's why. And Holy crap,

1056
01:06:03,299 --> 01:06:06,629
they're doing a lot for you.
They're really doing a lot and

1057
01:06:06,659 --> 01:06:09,269
they're making money. So Mitch,
I know you're doing this to

1058
01:06:09,329 --> 01:06:16,739
primarily for a great podcast
experience. I think, I think you

1059
01:06:16,739 --> 01:06:19,529
should be able to make a living
off of this.

1060
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,440
Yeah, that's the dream. It's not
our top priority. It's we're

1061
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,600
trying to deliver value first
and then monetize later. But it

1062
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:33,630
you know, we're going to explore
this direction with the value

1063
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:37,920
tag, and have other open ended
donation features, maybe come up

1064
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,760
with some reward tiers for
memberships and stuff like that.

1065
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:46,260
But yeah, we're going to focus
on innovating first, and growing

1066
01:06:46,260 --> 01:06:49,080
our user base before we really
try to figure out the

1067
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,140
monetization angle because at
this current time, it's it's not

1068
01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:56,220
overwhelming for our expenses to
to support this as it is,

1069
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,700
what do you do in? Is this your
full time? Your full time job?

1070
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:01,590
Or do you do something else?
full time? Oh, no.

1071
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:05,040
I have a full time job. Yeah,
I'm a I'm a software engineer

1072
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,230
for a company in my day job
doing mostly front end

1073
01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:07,800
engineering.

1074
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,330
I love that. I don't think
there's nothing anyone has. Has.

1075
01:07:12,330 --> 01:07:12,510
This

1076
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:15,330
is full time. Yeah, that's one
of the that's been one of the

1077
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,990
coolest things about this whole
project is everybody has mean

1078
01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:21,450
everybody has day jobs. And
everybody's doing this thing on

1079
01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:25,200
the side, just out of the love
of, of wanting to get it done.

1080
01:07:25,230 --> 01:07:28,200
You know, that that's been one
of the most rewarding things

1081
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,770
about this whole project so far,
is seeing everybody just like

1082
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:35,250
taking their side passion and
applying it to this whole thing.

1083
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:38,100
It's been it's been really cool.
Yeah, I'd

1084
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:41,340
love to be working on this for
more hours in the day.

1085
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:46,920
Unfortunately, you know, but,
you know, having a day job also

1086
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,620
takes some of the heat off
needing to, like, urgently make

1087
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:50,910
money. So

1088
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,210
well, the idea here is we want
to make a magic money machine

1089
01:07:57,210 --> 01:08:02,160
for everybody. You know, and,
and my experience so far in what

1090
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:08,160
we've had satoshis flowing for
almost four months now. Is it is

1091
01:08:08,190 --> 01:08:11,790
I mean, and four months with a
full month of like, wow, 60

1092
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:18,720
bucks, but seeing that payment
come in, just you know, three

1093
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,820
satoshis, five, satoshis, 19,
satoshis, 20, satoshis, it gives

1094
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:28,920
me such a great feeling, because
I know that someone is listening

1095
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:34,200
to me at that very moment. Yeah,
and in a value it

1096
01:08:34,830 --> 01:08:38,160
with it. And so, you know, like
our, our goal is what if we

1097
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:44,520
could, with the 1% on the index
was funded, if we can just fund

1098
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,070
it, if we can make it self
sustaining, to where we don't

1099
01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:50,370
have to wear it covers the
hosting costs and everything

1100
01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:56,730
every month. That means success
on the broader scale to because

1101
01:08:56,730 --> 01:09:01,770
like, if if we're if our hosting
fees are 350 to $400 a month, at

1102
01:09:01,770 --> 01:09:05,250
1%. That may mean think about
how much money is flowing

1103
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:08,310
through the entire system. If
because that's that's the other

1104
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:11,790
thing that people don't maybe
not realize they get, it's a

1105
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:13,770
little easy to get confused
whether to get podcast or

1106
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:15,630
wallet, and you get all this
kind of stuff. And it looks like

1107
01:09:15,630 --> 01:09:19,080
everything's going through the
index. But the value block is

1108
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,530
not tied to the index, it's
completely open source. So

1109
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,490
anybody can create can
essentially do the exact same

1110
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:30,780
thing we're doing, nobody needs
us in order to get paid. So if

1111
01:09:30,780 --> 01:09:34,260
you if you take whatever
percentage of the total value

1112
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:40,350
flow is, is us, and then take 1%
of that. And if that is enough

1113
01:09:40,350 --> 01:09:44,700
to cover our bills, one of these
days, think about how much money

1114
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:48,420
that is actually flowing through
the whole broader ecosystem. I

1115
01:09:48,420 --> 01:09:51,900
mean, it could be hundreds of
1000s of dollars, flow, you

1116
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:54,690
know, flowing through the
broader system at that point. So

1117
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:58,920
if we ever actually get to the
point where where our 1% is care

1118
01:09:58,950 --> 01:10:02,790
is covering our costs Man that
for the broader system as a

1119
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:07,260
whole and broader goals, that is
a total success. Well, that

1120
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:09,810
mean, that means lots of money
is flowing and lots of people

1121
01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:10,770
are quitting their day job,

1122
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:19,740
it would be it would be probably
only 5x what we're doing now.

1123
01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:24,600
That would be what our bills
like. 380 I'm just trying to

1124
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:31,500
remember that it's like 380 495.
Yeah. Yeah,

1125
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:35,520
I mean, right now, login. But I
think I mean, I don't have

1126
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,950
enough data. But I saw a $4 day
for the index.

1127
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:46,980
Yeah. So I told my wife, I was
like, I was like, oh, Adam said,

1128
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,360
we had $4. And the other day,
she was like, Oh,

1129
01:10:51,570 --> 01:11:01,260
I know. Like, I got $17.85.
She's like, Honey, I'm so happy

1130
01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:03,750
for you. What? What,

1131
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:05,400
what is that all about?

1132
01:11:05,969 --> 01:11:08,909
I'm like, No, you gotta, you
gotta see the big vision. It's,

1133
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,830
I tried to save it. I was $4
that didn't exist before.

1134
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:17,790
You say it's made out of thin
air. I mean, I've actually, I've

1135
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:21,180
actually got, I've now just
resorted to tracking satoshis

1136
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:24,090
it's ridiculous to do it based
on the conversion with the

1137
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:29,880
volatility of the price. So I
just do it on satoshis. But so

1138
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:34,050
if you do that time, send us
1200 bucks a month. So we just

1139
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:39,510
funded the operation. If you if
you do it by, you know, by 5x. I

1140
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:45,540
mean, this is gonna go very
fast. I am, I am in fact, almost

1141
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,410
speechless.

1142
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,840
speechless yourself.

1143
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:55,230
Yeah. I mean, that's serious
money. Any, any, any app

1144
01:11:55,230 --> 01:11:58,290
participating in this can get up
to those numbers, I think pretty

1145
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:58,890
quickly.

1146
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:05,670
That's what I'm saying. Like, if
you have, you know, like, like,

1147
01:12:05,730 --> 01:12:07,980
you know, met, you're talking
about, you know, well, you know,

1148
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:11,760
we we just want the biggest
sounds like my house is about to

1149
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,720
fall down. Yeah.

1150
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,140
Does.

1151
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:18,900
Somebody read about me, they,
you know, you say you will, you

1152
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:22,410
know, we're, we're focused on,
you know, growing user base, and

1153
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:24,420
that and that kind of thing and
making them more valuable

1154
01:12:24,420 --> 01:12:31,440
product. And that's, you know,
this, the beauty of a thing like

1155
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:35,250
this is that it can happen, or
it happens organically.

1156
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:39,330
Thank you. This is and this is
what people are missing. And

1157
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:45,510
developers miss it all the time.
The whole advertising world

1158
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:50,190
wants to get their messages into
podcasting. Why is that? Because

1159
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:54,060
the communication between the
audience and the podcaster is

1160
01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:59,100
very tight and very loyal. When
you and this is my experience

1161
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:04,800
for seven to almost 20 years.
When you have an audience that

1162
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,060
you can that you communicate
with. What happens is, and this

1163
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:11,940
just happened the other day,
someone hears Oh, lightning,

1164
01:13:11,940 --> 01:13:16,860
Bitcoin, podcasting. 2.0 my god,
I'm using it. Hey, favorite

1165
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:21,060
podcast are 1234 and five are
tweeting you on Twitter send you

1166
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:23,250
emails, you should get on board
with this go look at my

1167
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:25,650
timeline, it's filled with
people telling their favorite

1168
01:13:25,650 --> 01:13:30,480
podcasters that they should jump
on this bandwagon right away. It

1169
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:35,220
is the best marketing tool known
to man right now, as far as I'm

1170
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:40,050
concerned, as long as it really
is in the interest of those

1171
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:45,600
podcasters. And listeners, they
do it. And that's going to work

1172
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:46,620
very well.

1173
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,150
I agree that the fact that it's
the value tag is taking off so

1174
01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:54,840
quickly. And we're seeing so
many articles and people talking

1175
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,590
about it. I mean, it like you
said to do it organically, like

1176
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,230
it's just next up in our queue,
because the demand is there

1177
01:14:01,230 --> 01:14:04,260
right now. So that's what we're
gonna focus. Yes,

1178
01:14:04,290 --> 01:14:07,530
you know, that I was thinking
about it, because what made me

1179
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:09,570
kind of go down that road,
Mitch, was that you were talking

1180
01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:12,750
to, you mentioned a few times
about open source software and

1181
01:14:12,750 --> 01:14:15,510
how you just that seems to be
really near and dear to your

1182
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:18,360
heart. And the problem with open
source, you know, the there has

1183
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,650
always been there. Is that, that
age old issue of you know, was

1184
01:14:22,650 --> 01:14:26,610
it the XKCD comic where you got
the whole internet is like

1185
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,820
visualized, as you know, as this
huge stack of you know,

1186
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:32,790
furniture on top of this one
little, some little dudes

1187
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:37,770
project in rural Indiana
somewhere, you know, it's like

1188
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:41,490
the NTP guy, you know, then then
the Network Time Protocol guy

1189
01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:45,120
that nobody knew that he
existed, right and this guy's

1190
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,970
been keeping the whole internet
running for you know, 25 years.

1191
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:53,220
That's that's the that's been
the age old problem with with

1192
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:57,060
such valuable open source
projects is that they never

1193
01:14:57,060 --> 01:15:02,970
produce the they never produce A
equivalent value for the people

1194
01:15:02,970 --> 01:15:07,170
involved in. And it's not just
financial, you know, we do open

1195
01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:10,860
source stuff. And that's why,
you know, we put all of our open

1196
01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:16,590
source stuff on the index. We do
it for the love of the code and

1197
01:15:16,590 --> 01:15:20,010
the product. But then you also
there comes this point where

1198
01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:24,390
you, where you, inevitably
you're gonna have burnout. And

1199
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:28,800
if there's not something there
to just keep the bills paid for

1200
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,030
your project. It really it just
becomes onerous. And the risk is

1201
01:15:33,060 --> 01:15:36,570
always that that thing is going
to fail. Because you just can't,

1202
01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:39,450
eventually somebody is always
going to have a health emergency

1203
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:42,240
or somebody is always going to
have a, you know, have to go get

1204
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,270
a day job. And there's all these
things that can just really come

1205
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:47,730
in and throw a wrecking ball and
an open source projects

1206
01:15:47,730 --> 01:15:51,900
like having a rock and roll
band. really are.

1207
01:15:52,649 --> 01:15:56,609
What is that the avoca? Have a
guy? Yeah. What's his name?

1208
01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,189
Bjorn, Bjorn. Yeah, yeah, he's
Oh, by the way, he I looked up

1209
01:16:02,189 --> 01:16:05,369
his Wikipedia, always
billionaire. Did you know, we'll

1210
01:16:05,369 --> 01:16:09,629
get a load of this? This is the
Guardian called him Sweden's

1211
01:16:09,719 --> 01:16:14,759
highest profile cash free
campaigner? Yes. explaining that

1212
01:16:14,969 --> 01:16:19,049
after his son was robbed several
years ago, ovis became an

1213
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:22,199
evangelist for the electronic
payment movement, claiming that

1214
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:24,149
cash was the primary cause of
crime.

1215
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:31,620
Yeah, he's no friend of mine.
Something I wanted to bring up

1216
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:34,530
because I didn't quite finish
the issue with the podcast

1217
01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:39,870
experience. But I'm interested
to hear your take, Mitch. So one

1218
01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:45,060
of the issues that came up, as I
explained was people not getting

1219
01:16:45,060 --> 01:16:48,330
triggered by certain types of
content, as you know, the index

1220
01:16:48,330 --> 01:16:53,490
is there to provide for all. I
actually had a quick back and

1221
01:16:53,490 --> 01:16:58,410
forth tweet with Marco from
overcast this morning. As

1222
01:16:58,410 --> 01:17:01,440
someone said to him, Hey, Marco,
do you want to get Are you going

1223
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:06,030
to get it? Are you going to do
the podcasting 2.0 payments,

1224
01:17:06,030 --> 01:17:08,940
quite frankly, I'd love that if
he did anything podcasting 2.0.

1225
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:17,280
And we know that he is very
cautious about user feedback,

1226
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:23,400
what they do and do not want to
see in his app. And Dave, Eric,

1227
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,100
and I were talking this morning
about, you know, we'll we're not

1228
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:30,510
going to censor anything.
However, we do understand that

1229
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:37,110
certain, first of all, if you
make an app, and it's up to you

1230
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:39,930
as to what you're going to show
or not, we were thinking it

1231
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:46,440
might be useful to provide a
toggle switch, if you only

1232
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:53,220
wanted results, or trending,
etc. Where they also exist in

1233
01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:57,990
the extremely vetted and safe
Apple index. Although they would

1234
01:17:57,990 --> 01:18:01,440
still be coming from the podcast
index, it would be that subset,

1235
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:04,080
if you only wanted that where
you could give your users a

1236
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,050
choice. I'm curious about your
thoughts, Mitch.

1237
01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:11,040
Yeah, that makes perfect sense
to me. And we've thought about

1238
01:18:11,190 --> 01:18:14,160
similar things like a third
party service, basically, that

1239
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,060
can be a filtering layer, to
control the content that people

1240
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:21,240
want to see. So if something
offends you, you can, you don't

1241
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,990
have to see it. But at the same
time, our freedom of speech

1242
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:29,040
policy, it would be very similar
to your own to where we're not

1243
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,010
going to censor anything by
default, unless there's legal

1244
01:18:32,010 --> 01:18:34,920
reasons, basically, or if
there's like an imminent threat

1245
01:18:35,010 --> 01:18:40,860
related to it. It's just not
feasible for us as a small team

1246
01:18:40,860 --> 01:18:42,870
on, you know, part time and you
can't,

1247
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:44,640
you can't deal with that,

1248
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:47,550
over a million podcasts. There's
just there's just no way to do

1249
01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:51,960
it. And I'm not sure it's the
right thing to do anyway. But so

1250
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:55,290
beyond that, if if people were
to take issue with our freedom

1251
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:59,190
of speech policy, I'd say that
we have the product is open

1252
01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:02,070
source, and you can start your
own version of the site and

1253
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:05,220
control the content to your
liking. If Yeah, no, that isn't

1254
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:05,670
working for you.

1255
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:09,270
I that's always a good answer. I
know. I love that. It would,

1256
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:16,410
would it be helpful for us to
provide other filtering tools?

1257
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:21,090
In an AMP? It could be by size
by image? It could be anything?

1258
01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:23,490
Would it be helpful to have
filtering tools built into the

1259
01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:27,120
API? I'm speaking on my partner
days behalf because he'll build

1260
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,120
it? I'm just Yeah,

1261
01:19:30,420 --> 01:19:33,990
yeah, I think it would if we
could add like a parameter that

1262
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:37,500
would only return let's say what
is in the Apple store? Or how

1263
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:37,650
about

1264
01:19:37,650 --> 01:19:40,260
a catalog category is also maybe
interest, you could actually

1265
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:44,010
literally call Apple Apple a
category and you could filter by

1266
01:19:44,010 --> 01:19:47,310
that or filter, only if it
included that category. And

1267
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:49,200
there's anything you can do we
just want to make it easy for

1268
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,370
everybody else, so that people
can make their own decisions.

1269
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,430
And we help them you know, we
want we want to provide tools.

1270
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:00,390
Yeah, I think that that will
work perfectly. That sounds

1271
01:20:00,390 --> 01:20:00,630
good.

1272
01:20:01,170 --> 01:20:03,600
Yeah, cuz I'm because you know,
the issue was something like

1273
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,330
this. And this is what happened
with the you know, with breeze.

1274
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:10,530
Whenever you create a new
monetization layer level, you

1275
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:15,570
know monetization protocol, the
people who have gotten deep

1276
01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:18,960
platformed off of other
platforms are always going to be

1277
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,050
the first ones to jump on board
because they they want, they

1278
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:25,680
want another Lifeline into some
sort of monetization. And

1279
01:20:25,890 --> 01:20:28,200
oftentimes, those are going to
be the people who are the most

1280
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:28,980
controversial.

1281
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,210
And I guarantee you, maybe not
today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe

1282
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:36,210
next week or next month, Alex
Jones is going to pop up my

1283
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:37,650
guarantee, I can guarantee you.

1284
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:41,310
Yeah, and so you've got to be
prepared and say, Well, okay,

1285
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:46,710
we're not going to take those
people off. But each individual

1286
01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:50,610
app can make that choice on
their own. Because they know

1287
01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:53,910
their customers and their
customers may or may not want

1288
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:57,750
that stuff. Yeah, you know,
that's the I was actually

1289
01:20:57,750 --> 01:21:02,040
listening to a new platform guy
the other day. And I never

1290
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,320
listened to his stuff before.
But I listened to it for the

1291
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,280
first time. And just to see what
all the hubbub was about, he was

1292
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,280
talking about how he got d
platformed. Off YouTube. And

1293
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,220
then he switched over two, gosh,
it was like bitch shoot or

1294
01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:18,870
something. And he was like, only
3% of my subscribers followed me

1295
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:22,680
to bitch shoot. And I started
thinking, you know, I

1296
01:21:23,610 --> 01:21:25,890
wonder if we had that many to
start with? Yes,

1297
01:21:25,950 --> 01:21:30,600
yes. Yes, exactly. Because the
thinking is, if I had a million

1298
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,220
subscribers on YouTube, I won't
leave, then then and only 3000

1299
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:41,700
of them on bit shoot, then only
3000 of my subscribers left

1300
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:45,390
YouTube and went to bitch shoot.
But I don't think that's ever I

1301
01:21:45,390 --> 01:21:47,610
don't think that was actually
the case. I think that the

1302
01:21:47,610 --> 01:21:51,900
million on YouTube was a fake
number to begin with. That that

1303
01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:54,540
was not a that could not have
been a real stat.

1304
01:21:55,349 --> 01:21:58,109
Well, there's all the incentive
for them to fake these numbers.

1305
01:21:58,289 --> 01:22:01,109
I mean, the incentive is there,
it will help their their stock

1306
01:22:01,109 --> 01:22:04,439
price, the more users are on
these platforms. So

1307
01:22:04,739 --> 01:22:07,289
yeah, and we know and we know
that there's people that are

1308
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:11,579
controversial, and don't get d
platformed. And have large user

1309
01:22:11,579 --> 01:22:14,519
bases. And those probably are
the ones where the numbers are

1310
01:22:14,519 --> 01:22:17,879
close to accurate. You know that
the other the other people that

1311
01:22:17,879 --> 01:22:21,329
do get d platformed. Probably
Google's on the backside of that

1312
01:22:21,329 --> 01:22:24,599
thing saying oh, okay, yeah, you
show me and subscribers, but

1313
01:22:24,599 --> 01:22:29,009
we're only really seeing
probably 1000 views a week. So

1314
01:22:29,009 --> 01:22:31,829
we're just gonna cut you loose.
You know, and then and then it

1315
01:22:31,829 --> 01:22:35,039
looks like nobody left when
there never really had that many

1316
01:22:35,039 --> 01:22:37,499
to begin with. The numbers are
all phony. You know?

1317
01:22:38,099 --> 01:22:42,149
I totally think the numbers are
phony and and I saw that the

1318
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:45,749
first time I knew for sure was
with the Kony 2012 video, you

1319
01:22:45,749 --> 01:22:49,949
should go look that up had like
300 million views in 24 hours

1320
01:22:49,949 --> 01:22:55,379
and it wasn't all that good. It
was totally bogus. No, that was

1321
01:22:55,379 --> 01:22:59,189
the African like, yeah, Warlord
guy. Yeah, with the with the

1322
01:22:59,189 --> 01:23:02,969
child fighters and the guy who
ran that that whole campaign

1323
01:23:02,969 --> 01:23:06,239
went insane and wound up, you
know, PCP out running around

1324
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:12,359
naked jumping on cars on live TV
remote. It was awesome. It was

1325
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:15,899
so cool. But anyway, it's but
it's the same thing that

1326
01:23:15,929 --> 01:23:20,759
Instagram, I know for a fact
that if if you're you're you log

1327
01:23:20,759 --> 01:23:23,459
onto your timeline, you're
scrolling through it. And then

1328
01:23:23,459 --> 01:23:26,309
if you're idle, then you're
going to get four likes in a

1329
01:23:26,309 --> 01:23:32,849
row. They hold that back to you
know, to use as bait to get you

1330
01:23:32,849 --> 01:23:34,439
back in it's really quite evil.

1331
01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:37,890
Well, that's less. Okay, let's
go. That's something we'll do

1332
01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:40,590
them we'll put in those. We'll
put in that ability to say,

1333
01:23:40,590 --> 01:23:44,190
okay, only show me stuff that's
on other platforms. You know,

1334
01:23:44,340 --> 01:23:46,050
like, I want the safety switch.

1335
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,530
I wouldn't even call it safety
because that's a that's a

1336
01:23:49,530 --> 01:23:53,700
judgment. Okay. I would just say
it's the it's the apple switch.

1337
01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:57,090
Yep. So you go, this is what
Apple does. If if you're

1338
01:23:57,090 --> 01:23:58,950
uncomfortable with that. Yeah.
What kind of you know, you

1339
01:23:58,950 --> 01:24:02,910
should talk to Apple? Yeah,
there we are. We are using them

1340
01:24:02,910 --> 01:24:07,200
as our fact check of fact check
network. Yeah, there was no

1341
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,260
we're not using them. We can you
can use them. And here's how

1342
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:10,770
that's

1343
01:24:11,340 --> 01:24:12,480
a fact check equals true.

1344
01:24:15,540 --> 01:24:19,740
I think that sounds great. And
there's definitely a need for

1345
01:24:19,740 --> 01:24:23,940
it. We have heard from some
people. Like, if there's just

1346
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:27,030
alex jones on your platform,
doesn't matter what else your

1347
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:31,020
platform is doing or what values
you represent. It's enough for

1348
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:32,610
people to just run away. That's

1349
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:35,940
Yeah. That's so amazing. So

1350
01:24:36,810 --> 01:24:40,980
there's certain deal breakers so
and you know, that's not our

1351
01:24:40,980 --> 01:24:44,190
intent. Like we want to give
people the freedom to decide for

1352
01:24:44,190 --> 01:24:46,770
themselves. We also don't want
to put things in front of people

1353
01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:47,700
they don't want to hear or

1354
01:24:49,170 --> 01:24:51,900
you should give him a trigger
mode. You know, it's fine. You

1355
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:53,880
use this. Yeah, like

1356
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:56,130
the guy was talking to a gal was
listening to I don't even want

1357
01:24:56,130 --> 01:24:58,530
to talk about who was the guy I
was listening to the other day.

1358
01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:02,040
I mean, like, seriously, like 15
minutes into it. I'm like, this

1359
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,530
is not for me. I'm out. No,

1360
01:25:04,650 --> 01:25:07,080
I'm not gonna go. I think that
guy who got the platform because

1361
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,090
it was boring. I don't think it
was because of anything

1362
01:25:09,090 --> 01:25:09,900
controversial.

1363
01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:13,350
I think so too. Yeah,

1364
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,150
we need to thank some people.

1365
01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:21,390
Yes, yes. Now, anybody now who's
listening to this show can

1366
01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:25,710
participate by helping us. So
crank up those SATs per minute,

1367
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:30,660
hit us with a boost. That is a
great way to support podcast

1368
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:34,740
index and all the work that
we're doing. You know, the

1369
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:38,520
numbers were transparent is it's
right up there up front. We love

1370
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,340
that everyone has been
supporting us so well,

1371
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:44,820
throughout this project six
months running. We have not had

1372
01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:48,930
the dip in our own pockets. Once
that I'm aware of although I'm a

1373
01:25:48,930 --> 01:25:53,910
little confused. I think I've
sent millions of satoshis I lost

1374
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:55,800
track up the I don't know you
don't don't

1375
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:56,700
even add it up, man.

1376
01:25:59,460 --> 01:26:02,010
You're like, Yeah, no, I'm
opening channels from the my own

1377
01:26:02,010 --> 01:26:05,100
nodes everywhere. I have no
idea. I'm like, fuck it. This is

1378
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:10,140
just let's just go make it work.
Yeah. So yeah, it's value for

1379
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:13,080
value, any type of any type of
value get out of the project

1380
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,210
we're doing here. We'd love for
you to send it back to his time,

1381
01:26:15,210 --> 01:26:21,420
talent, or treasure. And, Mitch,
of course, is is is putting in a

1382
01:26:21,420 --> 01:26:26,670
lot of the two T's. Then we like
thanking everybody who supported

1383
01:26:26,670 --> 01:26:30,240
us by going to podcast index.org
down at the bottom. We got a big

1384
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,960
red Donate button. You can hit
us there with with some

1385
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:38,340
cookbooks through PayPal. Or you
can also use the lightning

1386
01:26:38,340 --> 01:26:41,850
invoice that now I'm channeling
my best Marty bent. You can use

1387
01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:46,230
the lightning the lightning
invoice there. You can send a

1388
01:26:46,230 --> 01:26:50,580
bulk amount or a subscription
even. Let's thank some of the

1389
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:54,030
people who sent us some treasure
for this for this week.

1390
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:59,310
Yeah, Brian Perla sent us $133.

1391
01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:02,369
Wow. Yes. Nice magic numbers.

1392
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,190
sent over a good note to see. He
says hey, gentlemen, hope your

1393
01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:12,870
day is filled with nothing but
red hot namespace talk. And the

1394
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:15,180
producer of the podcast fiddly.
dicking.

1395
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:16,680
fiddly. dicking

1396
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:21,750
Yes. Nice. comedies. Yes. All
that one embrace a comedy show

1397
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:25,170
hosted by fathers of children.
I'm not sure I guess that's the

1398
01:27:25,170 --> 01:27:29,340
company. I'm not sure. We put
out a short 10 minute ish

1399
01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:33,540
episode of every of every day,
every day during the workweek.

1400
01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:37,260
And then we can remix of all the
weekday shorts mashed together.

1401
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:40,830
For the fans that prefer a long
form. Listen, I'll have to have

1402
01:27:40,830 --> 01:27:41,940
to listen to them. They have a

1403
01:27:41,969 --> 01:27:44,249
they have a value. They have a
node they have everything

1404
01:27:44,249 --> 01:27:45,329
running. Cool. Yeah,

1405
01:27:45,330 --> 01:27:47,370
so I'm on break. I haven't seen
them on spring. So I don't think

1406
01:27:47,370 --> 01:27:50,700
they have a tribe yet, but I
have seen him on breeze says

1407
01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:53,490
we've been kicking around
different ideas on how to make a

1408
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:56,850
little scratch for our efforts.
One thing we all consistently

1409
01:27:56,850 --> 01:28:00,750
agree on is refusing, refusing
to throw in ADS. Our episodes

1410
01:28:00,750 --> 01:28:03,990
are too short and no doubt would
kill the comedy mood. Yeah,

1411
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:07,860
that's true. I agree. Yeah, we
could not be more excited about

1412
01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:11,250
the movement that that you and
all the dude named these named

1413
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:14,400
Ben have been putting in the
hard work into. And while we

1414
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,100
have no business programming any
lines of code, we still want to

1415
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:20,820
contribute to the cause. Beyond
just treasure, we have other

1416
01:28:20,820 --> 01:28:24,090
podcasters promoting their shows
by calling into our show, and

1417
01:28:24,090 --> 01:28:27,810
goof around with us. We hope to
become Satoshi Satoshi streaming

1418
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,020
experts and help those
podcasters realize the value for

1419
01:28:31,020 --> 01:28:35,100
value for value. That's right. I
successfully used the word value

1420
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:38,130
three times in a sentence. Suck
at ninth grade English teacher,

1421
01:28:38,130 --> 01:28:46,020
Miss Haynes. Okay. So while you
may consider this as a donation,

1422
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:49,170
we see it as an investment for
our long term success to be the

1423
01:28:49,170 --> 01:28:52,530
fourth best podcast in the
universe. And one final bit of

1424
01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:55,410
good news. Both of you are now
considered on array honorary

1425
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:58,590
fiddly diggers can Nice. Yeah,
because yours Brown.

1426
01:29:00,270 --> 01:29:04,050
Italy dicker. I got to look that
one up. And I don't

1427
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:05,790
know where he's from. That
sounds like a British thing.

1428
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,630
Is that a British thing? It
should be. Yeah, it sounds like

1429
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:12,120
dicker. Hey, I'll wear it.

1430
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:13,079
I'll wear that badge. I'm

1431
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,120
a fifth leader. Hey, yeah, their
t shirt.

1432
01:29:16,050 --> 01:29:16,710
You shouldn't be.

1433
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:24,659
Let's see. Oh, Benjamin Bellamy.
$45.70. See what management

1434
01:29:24,659 --> 01:29:28,049
says. He says, huge. Thank you
from Casta pod go recommended

1435
01:29:28,049 --> 01:29:29,819
podcasts. Benjamin Bellamy

1436
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,030
got a lot of good feedback. I
got a lot of good feedback from

1437
01:29:36,030 --> 01:29:39,810
people on on the show we and the
episode we did with with

1438
01:29:39,810 --> 01:29:40,350
Benjamin.

1439
01:29:40,979 --> 01:29:41,789
Yeah, like

1440
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:44,670
that guy's smart for a French
guy.

1441
01:29:48,090 --> 01:29:49,440
The backhanded compliment,

1442
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:52,530
nod. That was one that was one
of my favorite favorite guests.

1443
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:55,440
Actually, he's very surprising
very surprising guy.

1444
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:03,450
And me too. Okay, we get let's
see Maui. Good gave us $5 Yeah,

1445
01:30:03,450 --> 01:30:07,590
it says in a donation. Adam,
thanks for this man, my tech

1446
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:11,340
skills suck. So this is the best
way I can help the house to 15

1447
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:12,450
best alfonzo

1448
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,269
Thank you Alphonse. So this is
what I love so much about value

1449
01:30:15,269 --> 01:30:19,049
for value. And it's max Kaiser
said, you know, we, we allow a

1450
01:30:19,049 --> 01:30:25,409
market to be creative. And that
market is driven purely by price

1451
01:30:25,409 --> 01:30:29,909
discovery. And so whatever you
send us make it meaningful to

1452
01:30:29,909 --> 01:30:34,679
you. That's the whole point. You
need to feel good about the Hey,

1453
01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:39,689
I, you know, I am not all day
long now with with breeze, it's

1454
01:30:39,689 --> 01:30:45,119
nuts. I'm so conscious of the
exchange. When I'm when I'm

1455
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:48,659
listening to a podcast, like I'm
listening to pod News. I'm so

1456
01:30:48,659 --> 01:30:52,559
conscious. I'm like, Oh, this is
this is good. I got no short I

1457
01:30:52,559 --> 01:30:55,439
got to be at 500 SATs a minute
on this thing. I got a boost in

1458
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,869
500. Yeah. And it's it's

1459
01:31:00,630 --> 01:31:03,300
if you think about it makes you
It makes it conscious.

1460
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:04,410
Yes. What

1461
01:31:04,410 --> 01:31:05,400
you're doing? Yes,

1462
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:06,479
yes.

1463
01:31:06,540 --> 01:31:09,510
You're no longer just a passive
listener. I'm actually thinking,

1464
01:31:10,290 --> 01:31:12,000
oh my god, Dave, you're a poet.

1465
01:31:13,229 --> 01:31:14,519
philosopher philosophy.

1466
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:18,420
Amongst

1467
01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:21,600
legends, here it is.
Philosophers make the worst

1468
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,970
poets. Probably

1469
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,640
I make a mean falafel. But
that's about as far as I can

1470
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:26,910
get.

1471
01:31:29,310 --> 01:31:31,080
That's it. That's our group. Oh,
well, thank

1472
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,740
you very much. We appreciate
that support. And again, anybody

1473
01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:38,760
can go ahead and grab the Sphinx
app, you can get the pod station

1474
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:44,130
extension. Or you can use the
breeze app, crank those value

1475
01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:48,870
sliders, let us know you love us
and and send some value back

1476
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:51,390
while you're enjoying the value
we stream right into your

1477
01:31:51,390 --> 01:31:52,530
cerebral cortex.

1478
01:31:53,550 --> 01:31:58,200
I got a couple of things. Again,
I got two things once one is for

1479
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,730
Mitch and one's for James
Cridland James Cridland put pod

1480
01:32:02,730 --> 01:32:07,320
land. Yes. All on a value block
so that I can pay you for that.

1481
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:07,830
Yeah, me

1482
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:11,790
too. I mean, what? Yeah,
perfect. I think he believes he

1483
01:32:11,790 --> 01:32:16,440
is up on a value on the value
block. Because I i pinged him on

1484
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:19,380
the mastodon. I said, Do you
ever check your, your your

1485
01:32:19,380 --> 01:32:23,520
wallet, you know? And he said,
For pod land? Yeah, I do.

1486
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,130
Everything's good. I'm like, No,
no, that's something Portland's?

1487
01:32:26,130 --> 01:32:28,560
Not there. No, it's what I don't
understand is.

1488
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:33,360
Yeah, we got we got Sam Sethi on
the show next week. Well, we'll

1489
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,290
pound him about that.

1490
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,380
Oh, wow. They'll be no pounding
on my show.

1491
01:32:39,210 --> 01:32:43,080
That's for the safety switch.
Turn that off.

1492
01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:46,530
Yeah, I would love that. Well,
there's a number of shows I

1493
01:32:46,530 --> 01:32:49,890
would love to have value
streaming. But now you now

1494
01:32:49,890 --> 01:32:53,370
there's a way to do it. If you
just want to try it with the

1495
01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:58,260
training wheels go to ces
toesies dot stream. And I just

1496
01:32:58,290 --> 01:33:02,070
saw that they now have auto
withdrawal. So you have very low

1497
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:06,300
risk of losing anything and what
comes into your wallet. I guess

1498
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,210
I have to look at it. But you
can set it to just send it right

1499
01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:15,600
back to your mail to I guess you
can just do an invoice it'll do

1500
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,150
an invoice or something after
maybe something that hits a

1501
01:33:18,150 --> 01:33:22,290
certain URL. Yeah. When you
withdraw. Yeah, that's cool.

1502
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,040
Smart.

1503
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,360
The other thing is, I'm going to
mention to tell you the same

1504
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:33,300
thing I told David Norman, which
is like, I need to be able to

1505
01:33:33,300 --> 01:33:37,500
give you more money. Yeah. Like
the 10 bucks a year is not

1506
01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:38,100
enough.

1507
01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:41,040
Well, you're in luck, because

1508
01:33:41,309 --> 01:33:43,139
this morning for you.

1509
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:48,570
I remember you saying that. And
yeah, I created a Patreon page

1510
01:33:48,570 --> 01:33:52,290
this morning, if anybody wants
to give beyond the $10 a year

1511
01:33:52,290 --> 01:33:56,250
payment right now. So it's okay,
cool. patreon.com slash pod

1512
01:33:56,250 --> 01:33:59,550
verse. And that's hopefully just
the first of many different

1513
01:34:00,420 --> 01:34:02,850
awkward, you know, ways that
you'll be able to send money our

1514
01:34:02,850 --> 01:34:03,150
way.

1515
01:34:03,540 --> 01:34:07,260
Okay, good. Because that, you
know, when the pod verse is

1516
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:12,510
become quickly became my go to
thing for making clips. And so,

1517
01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:17,820
because I can share them out so
easily. And, like the first

1518
01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:21,390
thought is, I mean, it's, it's
worth at least 100 bucks a year

1519
01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:25,080
to me. I mean, if not more, so.
I was like, looking around. I'm

1520
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:26,850
like, Oh my gosh, 10 bucks.
That's

1521
01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:29,520
a crock pot. Well, thanks, Dave.

1522
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:30,930
Yeah, yeah,

1523
01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:36,090
well, it's true. And there's an
there's, I'll just reiterate

1524
01:34:36,090 --> 01:34:42,360
what I usually say. The VAT
value has price discovery of

1525
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,710
value has been destroyed by
Silicon Valley. And as much as I

1526
01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:50,970
appreciate Steve Jobs for what
he did for podcasting, I despise

1527
01:34:50,970 --> 01:34:57,780
his unbundling of the album. The
ruination of album art and liner

1528
01:34:57,780 --> 01:35:03,570
notes and the art Officially low
pricing according to a value

1529
01:35:03,570 --> 01:35:10,200
scale of creative work. It's
it's beyond me how people have

1530
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,740
put up with this for so long.
But as Moe pointed out, it's

1531
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:17,610
it's slavery people are enslaved
to this system. The Spotify

1532
01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:22,770
record company music industry is
one big slave pit. And the same

1533
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,430
when the App Store came out, I'm
like, holy crap. Look at all

1534
01:35:26,430 --> 01:35:31,080
this. I did an app. I did it by
myself, called the big app show.

1535
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:36,420
No, you didn't I sure did. I did
it in Xcode and everything. And

1536
01:35:36,420 --> 01:35:41,850
it was an early days, it was
2008. I think that's called the

1537
01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:44,340
big app show, or I commissioned
a piece of art for it. And I

1538
01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:47,220
did, there's my submission to
the App Store. And I had an

1539
01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:53,400
android version. And it was way
I was way out of my league. But

1540
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:59,400
I understood how much work goes
into this. And then to have it

1541
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:03,270
priced at 99 cents, because
that's what the market has been

1542
01:36:03,300 --> 01:36:09,870
turned into. It's disgusting.
Disgusting. And when I hear any

1543
01:36:09,930 --> 01:36:14,460
with all, with all love to James
Cridland, I keep hearing him

1544
01:36:14,460 --> 01:36:19,110
being very excited about the
prospect that Apple may allow

1545
01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:24,420
for people to subscribe, and in
a payment form to podcast. And

1546
01:36:24,420 --> 01:36:28,740
he literally said, I would love
it, if you could get my whole

1547
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:35,580
season. So let's say that's 10
episodes for $2.99. And I and I

1548
01:36:35,610 --> 01:36:40,740
and I hear that and I'm like,
No, no, your whole season is

1549
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:42,690
worth $200.

1550
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:43,979
And people

1551
01:36:44,729 --> 01:36:49,949
do that for you. And people will
gladly pay for an app experience

1552
01:36:50,039 --> 01:36:56,669
that they like more. That means
I hope that we get a feature for

1553
01:36:56,699 --> 01:37:01,709
for, for users to you know, to
up their amount for the for the

1554
01:37:01,709 --> 01:37:05,069
app they're using mean all of
this is price discovery that

1555
01:37:05,159 --> 01:37:09,059
we're now going to learn to do
together. But it turns out that

1556
01:37:09,059 --> 01:37:11,639
not everybody's the cheap
asshole that they that they're

1557
01:37:11,639 --> 01:37:15,509
thought to be by Silicon Valley.
Because that's what Silicon

1558
01:37:15,509 --> 01:37:19,319
Valley does. I think they
consider their actual customers

1559
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,019
as stealing and horrible people.

1560
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:25,920
Yet,

1561
01:37:26,309 --> 01:37:26,849
whoa,

1562
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,449
whoa, did you kick off your
noise gate?

1563
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:34,050
There's a vacuum going on above
me nothing. My kids don't

1564
01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:35,160
understand I'm doing a podcast.

1565
01:37:36,210 --> 01:37:38,730
All right, remind them when it's
time for allowance.

1566
01:37:41,850 --> 01:37:43,110
I will mute myself.

1567
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:45,420
Well, what these

1568
01:37:45,420 --> 01:37:50,070
are? No, these are very exciting
times. And hopefully, I mean,

1569
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:53,070
between Bitcoin and lightning
network and the value block and

1570
01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:57,270
podcasting 2.0 hopefully, we're
at a turning point where open

1571
01:37:57,270 --> 01:38:00,780
source will actually be able to
be monetized in a way that

1572
01:38:00,810 --> 01:38:03,210
actually makes sense for the
value that it creates.

1573
01:38:03,899 --> 01:38:06,929
From from your lips to God's
ears, man. Absolutely. And

1574
01:38:06,959 --> 01:38:10,949
something else I've noticed with
with the, I guess the FOSS free

1575
01:38:10,949 --> 01:38:17,339
open source software is, you
know, no one's afraid of someone

1576
01:38:17,339 --> 01:38:21,089
swooping in and copying it. It's
it's somehow is this beautiful

1577
01:38:21,089 --> 01:38:27,179
poison pill. Where most like the
index, anybody could come in, if

1578
01:38:27,179 --> 01:38:30,209
you had a little bit of money
and a bit of time or resources

1579
01:38:30,389 --> 01:38:33,629
and grab all the code from the
index, recreate the index and

1580
01:38:33,629 --> 01:38:37,109
build it probably better
stronger elsewhere. But no one

1581
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:40,889
does it. Because they know that
the value is not just in the

1582
01:38:40,889 --> 01:38:44,369
code. It's all the stuff that
the people who built the code

1583
01:38:44,369 --> 01:38:48,209
learned and how they and how
they do stuff. So Sphinx is open

1584
01:38:48,209 --> 01:38:51,809
source breeze is open source,
anybody can recreate In fact,

1585
01:38:51,839 --> 01:38:57,419
breeze use an open source player
that already was podcasting. 2.0

1586
01:38:57,449 --> 01:38:58,739
aware and compatible.

1587
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,260
Now Yeah, the any is at anytime,
player

1588
01:39:01,290 --> 01:39:06,120
anytime player. Yeah. You know
this. And I have no idea if

1589
01:39:06,150 --> 01:39:08,400
they're getting a piece of that
or not. And I guess they don't

1590
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:13,470
have to it's under MIT license.
But it's so beautiful to see

1591
01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:16,890
that. That it's kind of this
protection airy measure because

1592
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:19,650
the smart people go like that's
what they're doing. I'm happy I

1593
01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:22,470
can look into the code, should I
need to change something or if

1594
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:25,200
there's something I don't like
or want differently or want to

1595
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,070
suggest? simultaneously, Silicon
Valley doesn't want to touch it

1596
01:39:29,070 --> 01:39:32,400
because they can't own it. They
can't own it. They can lock

1597
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:33,270
people in with it.

1598
01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:36,600
Yeah, that's the good. That's
what Max said the Silicon Valley

1599
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,090
model is you give us everything
and we give you nothing.

1600
01:39:41,970 --> 01:39:46,500
exactly what it is. Mitch. Is
there anything else we can do

1601
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:48,810
for you? Do you have something
on your wish list is there I

1602
01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:52,170
mean, it can be anything. We'd
love to hear what we can improve

1603
01:39:52,170 --> 01:39:55,170
make better for you or go beg,
steal or borrow.

1604
01:39:56,460 --> 01:40:00,000
Oh boy. Not at the top of mine.
I mean, there's all kinds of

1605
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,150
features, but I can save it for
another day. For longer

1606
01:40:03,150 --> 01:40:03,840
discussion, don't

1607
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:04,710
say, No.

1608
01:40:05,070 --> 01:40:06,840
You got features we want to hear
features.

1609
01:40:07,979 --> 01:40:08,639
Um,

1610
01:40:10,559 --> 01:40:14,939
well, there was one topic that I
thought was pretty cool. You

1611
01:40:14,939 --> 01:40:20,789
brought up a couple weeks ago
about live chats. And yes, and I

1612
01:40:20,789 --> 01:40:24,479
guess thinking for this is kind
of a big topic I can't really

1613
01:40:24,509 --> 01:40:29,789
cover but just to move more
towards the ability to be like a

1614
01:40:29,789 --> 01:40:35,279
twitch alternative, where if
there's a live stream feature,

1615
01:40:35,429 --> 01:40:39,449
that it could be accessible
through an R SS feed, and also

1616
01:40:39,449 --> 01:40:46,289
have live chats that are
decentralized. And also possibly

1617
01:40:47,099 --> 01:40:51,269
what I've been calling super
chats on the blockchain. So

1618
01:40:51,659 --> 01:40:55,889
there's the these things that if
you're not familiar on YouTube,

1619
01:40:55,919 --> 01:40:59,309
people can submit comments along
with some money with the

1620
01:40:59,309 --> 01:41:03,239
comment. And then usually the
live streamer will read whoever

1621
01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:06,239
like submitted the super chats
that with the most money

1622
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:08,759
attached to it. And you were
talking couple of weeks ago

1623
01:41:08,759 --> 01:41:14,879
about doing that with crypto.
And I can just see there being a

1624
01:41:14,879 --> 01:41:18,629
big market for that. And also,
what's cool is, so you could

1625
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:22,649
have the live stream that where
you have the Live Super chats.

1626
01:41:22,829 --> 01:41:25,379
But then you can also have super
chats that are applied to the

1627
01:41:25,379 --> 01:41:30,689
recorded file, where I'm not
listening live, but I met, you

1628
01:41:30,689 --> 01:41:35,849
know, minute 33. And I decided I
want to share a comment there

1629
01:41:35,849 --> 01:41:39,479
and I send a payment with it.
And then that comment will be

1630
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:43,529
available for every podcast app
to render, they choose to do so.

1631
01:41:43,829 --> 01:41:47,789
And and yeah, and that could be
like an ongoing way for

1632
01:41:47,819 --> 01:41:50,519
podcasters to monetize their old
comment content.

1633
01:41:50,999 --> 01:41:58,019
I love this idea. It is Moe has
been hammering this into my head

1634
01:41:58,019 --> 01:42:00,749
for a long he in fact, he
alerted me about clubhouse A

1635
01:42:00,749 --> 01:42:05,279
long time ago. He said they're
paying black creators, so people

1636
01:42:05,279 --> 01:42:07,739
are gonna move over there and
something cool, but it'll

1637
01:42:07,739 --> 01:42:13,109
probably get ruined and he was
Nostradamus. But he's a total

1638
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:16,079
YouTuber. That's what he was
doing before we met each other

1639
01:42:16,079 --> 01:42:19,709
and started doing a podcast. He
understands YouTube inside it

1640
01:42:19,709 --> 01:42:23,249
out. And exactly what you said
Mitch is like the live

1641
01:42:23,249 --> 01:42:26,939
streamers, they, if it's a Super
Chat, that's the ones that they

1642
01:42:26,939 --> 01:42:31,289
respond to. That's the one that
said that talking about. So I'm

1643
01:42:31,289 --> 01:42:35,519
very excited. From what I've
seen the alternative enclosure,

1644
01:42:35,789 --> 01:42:39,419
it looks like there's work being
done on making that a live

1645
01:42:39,419 --> 01:42:43,919
stream. So that the way I
understand that is the RSS feed

1646
01:42:43,919 --> 01:42:47,789
is published. Within whatever
time you get an alert, it's

1647
01:42:47,789 --> 01:42:50,579
updated. You click it you're
you're now hitting the live

1648
01:42:50,579 --> 01:42:54,569
streams that have the enclosure.
regard it be going yeah,

1649
01:42:54,570 --> 01:42:59,040
that's that's no, that's. Yeah,
that's the current thinking. And

1650
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,060
so there's so that is, I don't
think we can do that into the

1651
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:07,020
next phase. But like I'm
thinking, you know, it may be a

1652
01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:10,440
phase or two down the road,
because it's so complicated to

1653
01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:14,070
get that right. If you don't get
it right, it can be a disaster.

1654
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:14,490
Yeah.

1655
01:43:14,969 --> 01:43:19,259
So simultaneously, and I'll tell
you now that Brees is

1656
01:43:19,259 --> 01:43:23,459
considering building exactly
what you said, they're building

1657
01:43:23,459 --> 01:43:28,679
the distributed chat. And
they've looked at the Sphinx

1658
01:43:28,679 --> 01:43:32,459
relay, the way they do tribes,
they find that it's that's not

1659
01:43:32,459 --> 01:43:36,089
the approach that they that they
would take. And I'm not saying

1660
01:43:36,089 --> 01:43:38,819
they're doing it, but I'm
certainly pressuring for someone

1661
01:43:38,819 --> 01:43:43,319
to do something. But the idea
would be very simple, you know,

1662
01:43:43,319 --> 01:43:47,939
one Satoshi per message, but you
can. So the the Satoshi becomes

1663
01:43:47,939 --> 01:43:52,679
the carrier, and the message is
in the payload. And that because

1664
01:43:52,679 --> 01:43:56,309
it's blockchain, it can be
synced against timecode. And you

1665
01:43:56,309 --> 01:43:59,009
can do exactly what you said you
can have a live chat, but then

1666
01:43:59,009 --> 01:44:02,369
the recorded version could have
those comments. And your

1667
01:44:02,369 --> 01:44:06,209
comments added to it in the
timeline is it plays back it

1668
01:44:06,209 --> 01:44:10,319
were a ways off from that, but I
think that will happen.

1669
01:44:12,149 --> 01:44:16,289
Awesome. I, I would like people
to be able to think beyond

1670
01:44:16,289 --> 01:44:20,459
podcasting as just these audio,
you know, basically radio shows

1671
01:44:20,459 --> 01:44:24,449
in your pocket and realize that
any form of media is pretty much

1672
01:44:24,449 --> 01:44:26,219
possible through this format.

1673
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:31,470
Oh, and the only problem Mitch,
the only reason why video is not

1674
01:44:31,470 --> 01:44:35,220
prevalent in podcasting is
because of the cost. YouTube

1675
01:44:35,220 --> 01:44:39,330
solve the storage and bandwidth
issue by running definite

1676
01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:42,540
deficit finance, they're losing
money on that. Yeah, they're

1677
01:44:42,540 --> 01:44:45,660
losing tons of money on that,
probably even with the

1678
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:49,770
advertising for most of the for
most of his existence. So, you

1679
01:44:49,770 --> 01:44:54,990
know, you log into a blueberry
and you get, you know, 250 gigs,

1680
01:44:56,310 --> 01:45:01,170
megabytes, or whatever it is,
you know, but it cost more. And,

1681
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:06,960
you know, if you send a, you
know, no agenda is like 130

1682
01:45:06,990 --> 01:45:11,400
megabyte file at 96k, you want
to do video, you know, quadruple

1683
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,000
that. And it's a problem for
everybody. So that's the only

1684
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:18,150
most of the players I think
handle it. Does

1685
01:45:18,449 --> 01:45:19,829
this podcast handle video?

1686
01:45:20,580 --> 01:45:24,270
No, we don't have video
currently. Nobody has requested

1687
01:45:24,270 --> 01:45:28,830
yet. We could. It's it's totally
feasible for us to do. We just

1688
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:31,620
haven't. Yes. It's just not the
culture yet. I

1689
01:45:31,620 --> 01:45:36,630
mean, we were the way I would
look at it. And I know one

1690
01:45:36,630 --> 01:45:41,250
professional YouTube streamer,
my friend Mo, and he would say,

1691
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,270
was it the open broadcast? OBS?

1692
01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:49,560
No. Yeah. In that platform? No,
no, it

1693
01:45:49,559 --> 01:45:54,359
is a software software. He's
open Broadcast System. Yeah. And

1694
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:56,459
I'll confirm with him, but I
think that's what most

1695
01:45:56,459 --> 01:46:02,699
everybody's using for streaming.
So you know, whatever, whatever

1696
01:46:02,699 --> 01:46:06,599
comes out of there. And since
it's open source, that could be

1697
01:46:06,599 --> 01:46:10,469
possibly a plug in module or
something that does a web sub

1698
01:46:10,469 --> 01:46:14,369
notification, a million
different things. But I guess my

1699
01:46:14,369 --> 01:46:17,819
point is, once we have that
figured out, and we can do that

1700
01:46:17,819 --> 01:46:23,369
efficiently, combining the
decentralized chat slash

1701
01:46:23,369 --> 01:46:26,819
comments with with payment, I
think is the way to go.

1702
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:31,920
And live. Yeah. Yeah, all that
together. Exactly.

1703
01:46:32,670 --> 01:46:35,640
So you wish your wishes granted.
Mitch, anything else? You got

1704
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:36,150
three?

1705
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:43,920
I guess one more thing. I won't
use the third wish would be you

1706
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:44,130
always

1707
01:46:44,130 --> 01:46:47,340
have to wish for three more,
that's always wish

1708
01:46:49,170 --> 01:46:52,890
would be in I haven't. I'm not
totally up to date with the cast

1709
01:46:52,890 --> 01:47:00,000
upon recommendations, but some
sort of rating, like, like

1710
01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:05,070
popularity stats of some sort.
So that we would not have to

1711
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:09,510
necessarily track like pageviews
with pod verse to give a ranking

1712
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:13,710
system. So right now we have
like just a really bare minimum

1713
01:47:13,740 --> 01:47:19,200
page view tracker, and whatever
clips get the most page views go

1714
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:23,340
up in our rankings. So it's a
really crude algorithm and

1715
01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:24,180
improve

1716
01:47:24,660 --> 01:47:28,080
as messy because you can it can
be gamed and all it's not good.

1717
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:28,560
Yeah. Well,

1718
01:47:28,890 --> 01:47:34,050
one way ours works. One way to
do it. If it were based on on

1719
01:47:34,050 --> 01:47:38,580
blockchain, on lightning
payments, is not by the payment

1720
01:47:38,580 --> 01:47:40,830
amount, but by the number of
transactions.

1721
01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:45,390
That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah,
that's good idea.

1722
01:47:47,130 --> 01:47:50,670
There's many different things we
could potentially sort by and

1723
01:47:50,670 --> 01:47:53,460
yeah, that would be a valuable
one. And because people are

1724
01:47:53,460 --> 01:47:56,850
actually putting money into it.
Yeah, it would be. It'd be

1725
01:47:56,850 --> 01:47:57,630
harder to game.

1726
01:47:58,740 --> 01:47:59,670
more costly.

1727
01:48:00,599 --> 01:48:04,739
Yeah. having to pay for having
to pay for things stops a lot of

1728
01:48:04,739 --> 01:48:06,839
spam. It does. It really does.
Yeah.

1729
01:48:09,630 --> 01:48:10,140
Okay.

1730
01:48:11,070 --> 01:48:13,560
What else? That's it. Are we
done that? You're going to keep

1731
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:16,650
your third wish for another
time? Sorry. That's,

1732
01:48:16,649 --> 01:48:17,609
that's all I got. For now.

1733
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,860
Mitch, thank you so much for
everything that you've been

1734
01:48:19,860 --> 01:48:24,300
doing. And for the outstanding
work, it's because it pod

1735
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:30,630
verse.com that fm.fm I'm sorry,
yes, pod. verse.fm. It's a great

1736
01:48:30,630 --> 01:48:35,970
app. It's no I have four I think
on my box and I somehow I have

1737
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,320
two pod versus now on my
graphene. Oh, s Lucky you. Yes.

1738
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,190
Cool. Which one is the newest
one? Whichever one the chapters

1739
01:48:44,190 --> 01:48:48,990
work in. Right. That's the
that's the one really appreciate

1740
01:48:48,990 --> 01:48:53,580
you coming on and, and for being
a good sport. And just being a

1741
01:48:53,580 --> 01:48:56,010
good guy and being a great
developer. It's it's a lot of

1742
01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:58,710
fun to have you in the group
and, and you always have

1743
01:48:58,710 --> 01:49:01,530
thoughtful things to say so it's
really it's good to be working

1744
01:49:01,530 --> 01:49:01,890
with you.

1745
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:04,950
Well, thanks, Adam. Yeah, it's
awesome to be here. I'm so glad

1746
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:08,190
you guys put this community
together. We were working pretty

1747
01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:11,370
much in isolation for those
seven years. I was like doing

1748
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:12,900
our own thing. And

1749
01:49:13,410 --> 01:49:14,610
years of Coronavirus.

1750
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:20,730
quarantine though fortunately,
not that but yeah, just the

1751
01:49:20,730 --> 01:49:23,640
community is so great. Being
able to go on the mastodon

1752
01:49:23,850 --> 01:49:27,480
channel. And I mean, not only
podcast questions, just

1753
01:49:27,480 --> 01:49:30,690
developer questions, it's better
than Stack Overflow for me to

1754
01:49:30,689 --> 01:49:32,219
just adore Smith.

1755
01:49:32,250 --> 01:49:35,790
Now I'm stuck on something.
Yeah, I posted there and there's

1756
01:49:35,820 --> 01:49:39,450
like three or four people who
give me solutions. It's It's

1757
01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:42,870
really amazing. So yeah, thank
you guys for putting this

1758
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:47,430
together and taking podcasting
to the next level. Thank you,

1759
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:48,030
Dave.

1760
01:49:48,930 --> 01:49:56,280
Yeah, that's I'm overdue for a
return to work. So I'm mad at

1761
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,550
this thing. More I have no more
things.

1762
01:49:59,580 --> 01:50:02,070
All right. Joe. Thank you both
very much. That's in podcasting.

1763
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:05,700
2.0 for this week, we'll do
another board meeting next week.

1764
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:09,660
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1765
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:31,260
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