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2.0 for March 5 2021, Episode 27
certifying the universe it's

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that time once again when Friday
feels like a Saturday there is

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nothing but goodness Friday's
for me Why? Because it's time

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once again for the free open
source board meeting of

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podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org
I'm out of curry in Austin,

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Texas and in Alabama ladies.
He's the OG Dev

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named Dave, my

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friend on the other end.

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You really know how to sell it
is an open source board meeting.

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Well, it is,

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but it's free. Exactly. It's

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free and open source. Yeah.

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Yeah, who wouldn't want to
attend that?

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Yeah. Free. Oh, it's like it's
like clubhouse for podcasting.

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Only you don't get to talk.

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No stage for you.

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Oh, man, I was talking to my
sister Willow.

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In Italy. Yeah,

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she's, yeah, she lives in
Florence. And she is currently

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doing her master's for cyber
psychology.

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I burst calm.

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Yeah, it's, yeah. She's a real
degree. So of course, it

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includes actual psychology. And
so she's learning a lot of

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stuff. And it does also include
some things about DNA. So we

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were chatting about vaccines and
you know, stuff like that. And,

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boy, if I only remember what I
was coming back to.

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Yes, I bet some of us
cyberpsychology Yeah.

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Shoot, man. I don't remember the
whole wrapping my head. It just

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flew out the window.

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Okay. It'll save you I've got
I'm currently drinking out of

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my. Oh, yes. Which you doxed me
for? Yeah. This. This is the I

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just posted a picture of it to
the mastodon. It is the not the

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regular pot friend mug. But the
psychopath friend mug.

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I just saw that picture. I'm
gonna have to put it in the show

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notes. It is. It's hilarious.

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This is this is not pod friend.
This is your very best pod.

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pod friend on drugs, baby.

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That is he really really wants
to be your best friend. As a

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matter of fact, he takes he will
not take no for an answer.

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I'll have drug put it in. While
I'm sure he's hearing us now put

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it in the chapter image. My
favorite

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part of this My favorite part of
this image is that psycho pod

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friends tongue is upside down.
Which I didn't notice and

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totally yeah.

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Oh, yeah. It's totally it's
complete. It's complete. I

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didn't know that. He was gonna
send you the mug with that image

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on it. Man. I want one of those.
That's a collector's item. That

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thing is fantastic.

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archive is the archive quality
right here. You know, this.

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There's this book was Stephen
King's Dark Tower series.

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There's this part in that book
where he, where one of the main

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character says that he was
looking at this children's book

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with a with a train on the
cover. And the train is like

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it's like this kid's train. It
has a face on it. You know? Yes.

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You said like, Thomas the Tank
Engine.

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mcboatface. Yeah,

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yeah. But I mean, there's,
there's kids like hanging out of

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the railway cars like, like
having fun. They look like

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they're having a great time. And
he said, the longer he looked at

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it. He's like, the more I looked
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they weren't having fun. They
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train was a psycho. It's like,
the more the luck, though. And

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they were they were screaming
for help wanting to jump out. So

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like, that's my thing with them.
The longer you look at it, the

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more psycho it gets.

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He was beautiful. Now, I
remember what I was talking

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about with Willow about thanks
for covering about clubhouse.

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And how what is what she
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actually we were talking more
about how kancil culture fits

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into cyber addiction, which she
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want to read that.

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Yeah, well, she wants to get
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her masters, which one she's
near the end. So I was going to

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interview her. But we were
talking about how difficult

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conversation is for people when
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that can't control the
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social media, text messaging,
all this stuff. You control the

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conversation. You don't have to
answer right away, you have time

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to think you know, there's this
mirroring that you can do by

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just sending an emoji that will
automatically make for someone

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feel happy putting context in
it, but she said there's so much

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that you just don't have with
text and said facemask another

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huge problem because you really
can't read something ones

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emotion you are, you're missing
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communication between human
beings and clubhouse is in

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effect, not a podcasting
experience. It is a social media

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experience with the added
dimension that we subconsciously

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have been missing, namely that
of speech and speech inflection.

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So it's much as a much richer
experience, and people are just

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craving this, and also to show
off their skills of immediate

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reactionary conversation. So not
something you get to think about

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before you reply to the tweet or
the text message. But you have

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it's like debating skills, you
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school is now kind of, I think
it's maybe people don't do that

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anymore.

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I think I think kids are
terrified of it. Kids have grown

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up. Now I see it with my own
kids. I grew up with text

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messaging. And so they've always
had this ability to have a slow,

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methodical conversation where
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think exactly, man, when you
throw a young person into an

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actual conversation, like put
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impersonal they

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they flip out, freeze, they
freeze.

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Yeah. Because they're afraid
they're gonna make a mistake and

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look like an idiot, or worse.

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They're so over socialized,
they're afraid they're going to

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make a mistake. While they did
not intend to, will hurt the

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other person's feelings.

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Oh, yes, yes. True. Yeah. Yeah.
Which is probably you know,

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which actually may be a self
fulfilling prophecy, because

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they're expecting to have to
accidentally hurt the other

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person's feelings. The other
person is probably expecting you

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to hurt their feelings. Yep. At
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that same fear in reverse. It's,

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it's so sick.

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Willow can just listen to this
show. We just pretty much crack

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that egg.

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Well, then I'll just on the
canceled culture thing. She's

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really interesting. This was my
idea. But she said, Oh, my God,

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this fits so perfectly. What I'm
what I'm studying right now.

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Because there's multiple kinds
of addiction. One is compulsive.

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You know, there's there's many
different versions of this

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online. But it's gotten to a
point where people are afraid to

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speak their mind. Because if
they offend, they will get

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cancelled. And what happens is
their drug goes away. This

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isn't, you know, this social
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text messaging with friends. It
is it is drugs. I mean, this has

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been proven it triggers the same
stuff as cocaine in your brain.

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Yeah. And so people are so
afraid of losing that, that they

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are very careful. Because
they're really attics

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that wow, that

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that's what Willow said. She
went Yes, yes, my thesis.

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That is genius, actually. Now
wouldn't expect them to get into

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this this fast. But I did have
some clips on that. Okay, let's

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see what it I mean, you want to
do some free fits free speech

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stuff, like

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it's a board meeting, you have
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stick.

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I want to take a point of
personal privilege, yes, in

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order to please do play
disinformation, one algorithms.

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And what that means in really
simple terms, is people are

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getting less information from
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organic interactions, and
they're getting more information

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kind of filtered through
algorithms through these social

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media platforms. And what we
know about that, is these

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algorithms are known to make
people more polarized. And

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they're, they're, they're known
to make people more prone to

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believing conspiracy theories.

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Okay, yeah. Sounds like some
good drugs to me, baby.

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It's the algorithms. idea. And
so like there's this, there's

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this notion within podcasting,
that of that of you hear all the

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time, about discoverability.

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Yeah, term. Yeah.

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And I used to think that that I
was in that mindset, too, that

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the discoverability was a
problem that had to be solved,

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but I don't think it is anymore.
I mean, sure. You want to be

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able to find things when you go
looking for it. But the idea

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that you're going to somehow use
an algorithm to surface the

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content surface podcasts that
you wouldn't otherwise be able

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to find, I think is always going
to just like out algos, all the

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algos are ultimately going to
lead you to that in which is

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you're being manipulated in some
way by the algorithm.

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Totally.

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So, you know you have I was
reading Ben Ben Thompson's piece

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on on clubhouse He says, Let's
see the key for clubhouse will

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be owning its algorithms, honing
its algorithms, so that every

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time the listener opens the app,
they're presented with a

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conversation that's interesting
to them. This is the other area

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where podcasts missed the mark.
It is amazing to have so much

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choice but all too often that
choice is paralyzing. Sometimes,

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a lot of times, users just want
to scroll their Twitter feed

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instead of reading a long blog
post, or click through the

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stories or sweat tic tocs. And
clubhouse is poised to provide

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the same, quote, mindless
escapism for background audio.

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yes. See,

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I think that is that would be
very damaging to pod to the

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world of podcasting to have a
system like that course,

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of course. And it's, you know,
besides the obvious reasons of

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hosting companies, not enabling
enough space to do video for

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many different reasons. But cos
YouTube has, its, you know,

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YouTube is not podcasting.
YouTube is an algorithm that is

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continuously showing you things
that you should be watching

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next, and people go down the
rabbit hole, just follow that

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trail row, click on this, click
on that. And it's drugs. It's

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it's some it's useful, no doubt.
But it's all kind of

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entertainment. It's not. It's
harmful. And and you see this

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with the mastodon, you know,
there's multiple times per day,

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usually in the evening. Well
check it out, like, Oh, crap,

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there's nothing new. There's
nothing there's not a single new

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post. And then I also think, cuz
that's refreshing.

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Yeah, it's nice.

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I'm up to speed. I know. Okay,
good. Now I can go do something

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else. It's a very nice feeling.
And it's really, and well, since

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we're on this trip anyway,
Wikipedia co founder Larry

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Sanger heard, I've never heard
that name. No, neither I but I

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guess he had he, I think he left
20 years ago. I mean, he, he

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didn't like the way it was
going. He was more of a

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decentralized guy. And of
course, he saw how it was now

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what was taking place. And now
it's all locked down, you got to

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have the secret handshake and
all kinds of weird stuff. So so.

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So listen to this. Sanger, who
parted ways with Wikipedia

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almost two decades ago over the
project's direction is now

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working on developing technical
standards that could strip power

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over social media from giant
companies and give users more

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control over the content they
produce and see, concerns over

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the power of social media
platforms have emerged across

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the political spectrum in recent
years. So blah, blah, blah,

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quote, what needs to exist is a
system that just makes it really

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easy for the average user to
push out their social media

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content from a place that they
own, like a blog, and then make

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it available on all these
different platforms. So it

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doesn't matter which platform
you use saying, or the times on

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a phone call. So this place is
the locus of control back in the

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hands of the average person, the
end user, Oh, Oh, if only there

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were a if there were only there
were a protocol. That was only

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there was something that was
easy to remember, like three

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letters.

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s s,

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it's everything old is new
again.

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But listen to this while he
envisions this, this Captain

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Obvious of the future. What he
envisions is a tool such as a

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browser plugin, that would
aggregate content from all the

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accounts the user follows across
the myriad of platforms. Ladies

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and gentlemen, that is pure
genius. The trick is the trick

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is the microblogging systems
never heard that word before. I

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hope he coined it would have a
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allow a single plugin to
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various formats suitable for
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platforms. How much?

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How much VC money is he getting
for this? Because that is a

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question. So just every, every
20 years, just reinvent,

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reinvent RSS and slap, slap some
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And this is what I've come to
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something decentralized, it has
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it behaves. Bitcoin is the best
example. And you know it to a

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degree it's self healing, you
know, it's it's a community,

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they make things go or they
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think after 1011 years, it's
time to say that's pretty solid.

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Get podcasting, you know, now
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35 135 years

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has displayed similar properties
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efforts to to capture
everything, and they're just not

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happening and Gosh, I was
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some new hosting company who was
invented text speech to text. Oh

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my God is going to be great and
and I appreciate critical and he

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said, so you're going to
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2.0 with the pockets index
namespace in the guys answers a

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class should have clipped it
actually is classic, like, well,

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we believe in open. But this is
really an end to end experience

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and like, Oh my God, he's
reinventing transcripts and

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searching those like, wow, and
he just raised a bunch of money

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for it. Well, by the way, a
quick programming note to our

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buzzsprout friends, the pod land
podcast, James and Sam, they

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they started off with, I think,
a geo targeted automatic

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insertion. You know, so it was
kind of like, hey, here we are

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in the on the, you know, in the
United States with our special

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message. And they said, we're
just testing this out. The

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problem is that through the
transcript out of sync,

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so it was a full 30 seconds out
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an offset. So for buzzsprout, I
would say possibly, if someone's

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using your dynamic insertion
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I bet that's a bug because I
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was the that was the intent.

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Yeah, that's gotta be a bug he
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I've I've broken it.

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Yeah, that by the way, on that
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mastodon. I just wanted to say
this are like, expert ninja

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level bug reporters.

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Notice that and they know how to
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Yes, that's the good like, phone
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john Spurlock all all those
guys. Like they they notice a

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bug and they, they explain
expertly explain it and give you

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exactly what you need. And they
do. But here's the most critical

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part of good bug reporting is
you, you follow up, you give the

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developer enough time to a
reasonable amount of time to fix

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it, right. And then you circle
back around and say, Hey, just

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let me know this is still a
problem. Because programmers get

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busy. And everybody gets busy
and you you forget about

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especially on a medium like
mastodon where things can roll

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off. So they come back around,
they're like, hey, just a heads

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up. Man, that is so freakin
valuable. And it's not

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bothersome. It's not like you're
bothering me or anybody else.

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When you do that. It's super
helpful. It's interesting,

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because I'm the intermediary
with Tina, who has really

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committed herself to pod
friends. Please just pick one.

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And please,

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I need your help. You know, I
need to know if this shit is

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working for you. Because Tina,
she's incredibly smart is great

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with marketing. One thing we
know if she says that she

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doesn't understand why something
exists. It'll be very

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successful. Case in point, ATMs.
Why would anyone want to use the

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machine to get money? cell
phones? Why would you want to

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have a phone in your pocket? And
this is, you know, this. We know

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now it's like, if she really
thinks it's it's questionable,

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then we got to pay attention to
it. So she she finds bugs and

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things that I haven't found. And
she'll say, Okay, well, this

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thing and you know, the display
is still only moving up halfway,

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and it obfuscates this and, and
then they'll tell Martin, and

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then she'll appear in front of
me. And you know, six hours

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later, like this display thing
is still broken. Like, yeah, so

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I delay it. I'm like, it'll be a
couple days. I'll follow up in a

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few days. But yeah, it's a

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I'm not a believer in that whole
idea of like, there's some

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people that are real Nazi about.
You have to you have to format

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it this way, where it's like,
here's what I expected to

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happen. Here's what did happen.
Here's blah, blah, blah. Don't

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completely unnecessary

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if you speak the same language,
and I could speak most of the

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language of, of what we're
developing. Although I try not

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to make guesses.

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But one thing that one thing
that irritates me about that

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format, is that here's what I
you know, it's like, what, what

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here's what I'm here's what did
happen, and here's what I

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expect. Like, you're you're
describing the same thing twice.

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It's Yeah, exactly. Yes, yes.

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90% of the time in the what I
expected to happen thing, I end

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up just saying, like, you know,
what's the point it's, here's

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what I did. Here's what I
expected to happen. Here's what

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did happen. When I say what I
did. When I get to the years

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what I expected to happen. I
just said I expected it to work.

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I expected it not to do what it
did. I mean, like, I'm not sure

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what else to tell you here.

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Just just to get back to where
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this renewed discovery of RSS.
You know, which, if we had to go

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back and count all the RSS is
dead articles, you know, we and

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we get $1. For each one, we'd be
pretty rich. In combination with

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the D, platforming and cancel
culture, the world is moving

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away from the centralized
systems. And, you know, I'm a

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broken record on this. But once
it's really just education, and

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once people understand that,
Facebook, Twitter, YouTube,

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Google, Instagram, that that is
not the internet and and when

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they are rejecting your content,
or it's not to your liking it,

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just consider it a bug route
around it. And boom, there's the

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mastodons and most valuable
website I go to every single

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day. You know, no one controls
that. But us. We collectively

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control what goes on there. And
we don't do anything. And it

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seems to work out just fine. And
there's no algorithm. So people

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are are going to start searching
for these alternatives and your

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blog post, which got some real
good traction, about the value

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for value model in podcasting.
You You explained it expertly.

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There has to be an alternative,
not a You're a very good writer,

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Dave Jones. I'll say it again.

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Thanks. Damn,

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yeah. Are you like a great lover
too? Because that's really gonna

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piss me off. You got? You got
the whole package?

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Now? I'm really bad at that. I'm
really bad at the I think the

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most important thing in that
blog post, I think maybe was

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that. And I'm not it wasn't
explicitly stated what it was

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there's a marriage between the
sort of mission one and mission

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two, they're not just two,
they're not just two roles.

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Exactly. It's two, it's Yeah,
they're connected. They are

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connected? Because you can't the
goal overall, is, is free

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freedom period for you. Yes.
And, and freedom and ownership

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of, of your content. And in
order to have true freedom and

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ownership of your content. You
have to be I have to have a way

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to be independently rewarded for
it and independently, an

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independent owner of the
infrastructure that delivers it,

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yes, you can't have you can't
have that you're not you're

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never gonna get to the end goal.
Unless you have both of those

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things tied together. You're
only halfway there if you just

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do one of them.

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Exactly, exactly.

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But I think that the advertising
part is really not. I mean, yet,

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you know, tried to make the
point that advertiser, the

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advertising model is already
bad. It's already dominant.

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Like, is this what I mean? is
like, there's so many ads in

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podcasting, as

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well. So if I can just
interject, cuz I'm not Yeah, I

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guess we're not anti
advertising. In fact, if there

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were no advertising, it'd be
very sad. I wouldn't, I wouldn't

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know what to get even if I
didn't need it. I mean, that

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that's a part of modern life,
and I enjoy that. But the two

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aren't mutually exclusive. You
can I mean, we, in essence,

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advertise on a complete 100%
value for value podcast, and no

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agenda show. we advertise shit
all the time. But it's because

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we mean it. You know, I don't
get paid for talking about

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lavender blossoms, or, you know,
some winery or whatever it is

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that advertising. Yeah, in a way
it is, of course, we get free

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product, but we're just not we
just say it like, Oh, this is

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great. If it's a ship product,
we'll say well, no, we don't

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talk about it. And people send
in notes, and they advertise

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something that they're doing.
It's a form of advertising. But

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it's not a programmatic. It's
very direct, you know, it's like

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the actual producer of the
product is telling me about it.

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And I'm telling the actual
consumer, there's no exchange,

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auction, split second
determining of what fits best

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scanning of your profile,
there's a whole machine that

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goes on in the background just
to present you with an ad.

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C and that's what happens when
you get into what we were

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talking about just a minute ago
with with the algos and the

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because that's what the point
is. The point of those

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algorithms is not to Okay, yes,
part of it is to give you a

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quote unquote a better
experience. But the large

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majority of of that is to drive
your attention towards an

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advertisement. Exactly.

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That's or or drive you away from
a potential advertiser that you

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don't want to piss off. I think
that's also in play.

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Yeah, true.

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Let's move this type of user
over here. So that person could

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never accidentally comment on
this thread, where we have this

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ad running, I'm sure that's in
there's got to be I've run these

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kinds of companies.

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What you know, and what I was
trying to say in this post was

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that we're not even at a billion
dollars yet. No. And so we're,

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we're not even at a billion. And
the advertising dominant model,

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the only, the only option it has
in order to get more revenue out

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out of the out of this thing is
to put more ads in, right, but

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you in so let's just say, let's
take the upper end of that,

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let's say that you have the debt
number of 2.8 million podcasts

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out there, which is the highest
number I've seen. Let's just say

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that is legit. Okay. I mean, the
number of podcasts that actually

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have ads in it is nowhere near
that. I mean, you're talking to,

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I don't know, how many of the
total podcasts have ads in it,

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but it's probably, you know, 10%
of that or less, yeah, so you're

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gonna take 10% of the total
market and cram more ads in it,

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because those are the only
podcasts that actually have

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enough audience. Well, there's
no twist, you're gonna get more

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ads, and same amount of podcast
and the end, the next issue is

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just in general, for companies
trying to capture these

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audiences and contain them
inside a wall, the opposite of

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freedom, where they determine
what your choices Spotify, and I

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forget, I should look up the
name of that other host, hosting

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company.

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They're actually going to have a
hard time because the biggest

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podcasts are big because they're
available universally. You know,

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there are a lot of people, then
I always noticed this, we had a

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problem with no agenda show
dotnet our main website, there's

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a beautiful website, and there's
some confusion about it, or

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something not updating. And
actually Tim who's been doing

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he's been working on community
chapters, community community

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across the board stuff for for
podcasting. 2.0. He's a

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brilliant guy. And so there's a
miscommunication. I think I

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missed an email about how to log
in to fix something anyway. I

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think is bad today.

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You're just losing it.

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I am. I was building up to this.
I took the B 12. What was it?

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What

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the fuck was I answering? is
we're talking about cramming

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00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,920
more ads into the same amount of
podcast space. And you said,

446
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:46,560
Yes. Oh my God, I've got to do
something about this. So what I

447
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,660
learned is because there wasn't
updating for five days, the most

448
00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:56,280
recent episode hadn't gone up. A
lot of people listen to the show

449
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:02,220
right there on the website, a
lot. Not a hell of a lot. Go

450
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:05,430
look at the no agenda, social
calm to see how many people were

451
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:08,850
stressed out by it. I never
looked at your website just like

452
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:13,680
yes, it updates automatically,
you know, but yeah, and I have

453
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,030
to say Tina is also a web
listener. She just sees a link

454
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:20,580
clicks on something and whether
it's a YouTube doesn't use a

455
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:24,330
YouTube actual to do YouTube,
but she's not. She's doing

456
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:27,120
podcasts now. And I think what
she likes the most is the

457
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,110
organizational part. Yeah, no,
and a lot of people don't really

458
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:35,700
have experience. With podcast
apps. It's always surprising to

459
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:36,060
me.

460
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:39,180
Yeah, I never listen to anything
on the web. Really? Unless I'm

461
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:43,620
trying to get a clip. You know?
Yeah. And that just feels feels

462
00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:47,640
wrong. To sit there, like search
through a website and find an

463
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,660
audio file and play it.

464
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:52,200
What I saw emails from people
who said, Oh, my God, are you

465
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,070
okay? Did you not have you
couldn't do a show during this?

466
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,610
No. COVID in Texas? No, no.
Yeah, they've completely missed

467
00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:01,380
it because it hadn't updated on
the website.

468
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,080
Oh, that's so weird.

469
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,260
Well, yeah, this is stuff that
you don't think about, but you

470
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:10,650
only learn when, you know, when
you when it happens. You want

471
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:13,620
anything in these two other
disinformation clips?

472
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:19,020
Well, yes, played out play, I
think, because I may need to

473
00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:22,620
make a larger point play, to
play to basically the underlying

474
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:25,890
system that Trump used, posting
things that were false posting

475
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:28,860
things that make people either
angry or upset to make them

476
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:32,040
engage with the content. All
that is basically still

477
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,370
happening, the system still in
place just waiting to be used by

478
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:38,250
other people. Here's john
Donovan, a disinformation

479
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,410
researcher I talked to from
Harvard University,

480
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,720
we are in serious trouble. Just
information has become an

481
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,330
industry which means the
financial incentives and the

482
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:58,860
political gains are now aligned
and we will see more of this.

483
00:29:59,189 --> 00:30:02,519
See more of this Unless we do
what what's the path out of

484
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:02,999
this?

485
00:30:04,589 --> 00:30:05,459
Free dog?

486
00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:11,160
So I disagree with her. I
disagree with her with her

487
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,260
premise that like, you know, the
the monetary the financial gain

488
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:21,630
and the political gain are
aligned. Man, that's all that's

489
00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:27,510
always been the case. But the so
what do you think is the answer

490
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,420
to this? He said, Okay, so how
do we get how do we get out of

491
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,930
this? Well, by the way, which
was funny, he said, you know,

492
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:37,740
the the stuff that that Trump
used the disinformation tactics

493
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,620
that he used in social media,
they're still there, and the

494
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:44,760
algorithms are still in place.
Waiting, waiting, waiting for

495
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,230
the next evil dictator

496
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:47,460
to jump in hit.

497
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,940
What are you talking about?
Waiting? It's already been used.

498
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,850
So okay, what they're sitting
there idle,

499
00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:55,050
you know, not doing anything.

500
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,910
Right. So the question is, what
dipshit answer will come. Is

501
00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:01,230
that what clip three is,

502
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,100
yet? Well, I already listened to
clip right. And I

503
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,470
know how it will pose the
question. Wait, hold on a

504
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:07,830
second. Let

505
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:11,010
me let me out. This is now a
challenge I have right now I

506
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:14,370
gotta listen to to basically,
the underlying system that Trump

507
00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:17,160
used, posting things that were
false posting things that make

508
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,340
people either angry or upset to
make them engage with the

509
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:23,820
content, all that is basically
still happening, the system

510
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:27,240
still in place just waiting to
be used by other people. Here's

511
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,090
john Donovan, a disinformation
researcher I talked to from

512
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,200
Harvard University,

513
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:36,510
we are in serious trouble. Just
information has become an

514
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:42,120
industry which means the
financial incentives and the

515
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:49,620
political gains are now aligned.
And we will see more of this.

516
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:53,280
See more of this unless we do
what what's the path out of

517
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,760
this?

518
00:31:53,850 --> 00:32:01,470
Okay. Well, I'm sure we need
much tighter moderation and we

519
00:32:01,470 --> 00:32:06,270
need anonymity to be removed.
And is that a good start?

520
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:10,830
You get in there, but that
that's, it's even worse than

521
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:11,010
that.

522
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,340
I got to do the reveal. There we
go.

523
00:32:14,699 --> 00:32:18,389
I don't want to be too bleak,
Ari, but we're probably talking

524
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:21,929
about something that's a
generation or two from being

525
00:32:21,929 --> 00:32:24,329
resolved according to people I
talked to over the last couple

526
00:32:24,329 --> 00:32:27,629
weeks. Whitney Phillips, a
Syracuse researcher who just

527
00:32:27,629 --> 00:32:31,049
released a book on all this
stuff told me it might take 15

528
00:32:31,049 --> 00:32:34,949
years to resolve this. Basically
she says a redesign of the

529
00:32:34,949 --> 00:32:43,559
entire internet information just
spread easily right now. I have

530
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,139
to read you have to rebuild the
entire

531
00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:52,140
Oh my goodness. She works at
Syracuse if your kids go there

532
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:53,130
pull them out

533
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:58,260
that's the only way to fix it.
You got to rebuild the entire

534
00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:59,280
internet information

535
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:05,160
flows to freely Wow Wow. That is
that is the essence of the

536
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,360
internet. Information wants to
be free. There are no secrets

537
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,900
only information you don't yet
have the kidding me. That's the

538
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:17,910
world redesign the internet. One
Direction only.

539
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:24,930
redesign the internet is code
for for rebuild, like come up

540
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:26,220
with RSS all over again.

541
00:33:26,249 --> 00:33:28,739
Yeah. Good luck with that. Oh,

542
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,410
oh, I bet I did get a good ISO
out of it. I saw one

543
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:32,400
almost second.

544
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,530
We are in serious trouble.

545
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,010
Yeah. Yes, we are. Yes, ma'am.

546
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:43,140
We're in serious trouble. Well,

547
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:46,380
not not at podcasting. 2.0 we're
not in serious trouble.

548
00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:48,900
No, we're in serious good
spirits over here.

549
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,640
Just tacking on to your your
post, which is titled opening up

550
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,180
the value of podcasting. It's in
the show notes. If you can find

551
00:33:57,180 --> 00:34:02,730
it blog dot podcast index.org. I
was listening to a journalist

552
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:05,580
interpretation of the value for
value in the journalist was

553
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,940
thought it was an unfair system.
And we actually touched on this

554
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:12,120
in the last episode, that
shorter shows we get

555
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,760
shortchanged. And and I thought
to myself, Well, okay, so we

556
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,470
need to re explain the value for
value model, and the way it will

557
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:28,470
be integrated. And I think the
breeze podcast app that's coming

558
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:31,920
we've seen some screenshots of
some stuff. They've got the

559
00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:38,130
boost amount and the per minute
streaming SATs displayed right

560
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:43,830
on the front. And the whole idea
is, is that you can it's

561
00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:46,440
actually it's analogous to in
Bitcoin people talk about time

562
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,260
preference, time value
preference, like How high do you

563
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:52,770
value your time versus what you
expect on return. If you just

564
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:55,740
leave if you put your turn your
feet, your cup bucks into

565
00:34:55,740 --> 00:35:00,840
bitcoin, but in a way, it's kind
of the same a bit in reverse If

566
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,450
you really, really enjoy the
content, you are going to

567
00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:12,510
gravitate automatically towards
giving more per minute or, or

568
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:18,510
multiple boosts. And this is the
value, the listener controls all

569
00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:21,810
of that feedback, it just isn't
quite apparent yet in our one

570
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:27,150
implementation on Sphinx, but I
was I was thinking about this, I

571
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:30,180
thought, you know, this is the
one place we we kind of do need

572
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:34,680
an algorithm. And, and it would
do multiple things in my mind.

573
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:42,270
One is, we need to show value
for the old world, we need to

574
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:47,100
have a toggle, or show dollar
amount, or euro amount, or

575
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,880
whatever it is, underneath the
satoshis is very hard for you,

576
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,210
if you've been in it for a
while. He's like, around 50,000.

577
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:59,220
So 2000 satoshis is $1. But even
it gets confusing for everybody

578
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,340
and I enjoy a wallet, that'll
show me both one will be bigger

579
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:07,260
than the other. So you can kind
of see that too. I think a value

580
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:12,510
calculator may be handy. Like
your your you will be supporting

581
00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:15,840
this show, if you listen to the
whole thing with you know, $10

582
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,820
or $3, or $1, whatever it is. So
So and like that, and and some

583
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:23,580
things that can prompt you that
say, Hey, this is a much shorter

584
00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:28,380
show, you're, you're at 10
satoshis per minute, is it time

585
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:31,950
to re evaluate how much you
value this show. Now, on the

586
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,580
other hand, some shows that are
five minutes are daily,

587
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:39,090
collectively, it's a much longer
show. I mean, so I guess the

588
00:36:39,090 --> 00:36:42,630
point I'm trying to get to is,
let's not get hung up on the on

589
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:46,470
the time. But you know, most
apps are not even spitting out

590
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:50,730
per minute because it makes more
sense to, to aggregate it and

591
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:54,090
send them one payment, there's
less network fees, etc. But the

592
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:59,100
concept is really the time you
spend but how much you value

593
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,620
that and that I think is the
point that is hard to get

594
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:05,820
across. Because people have so
little value for the

595
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:10,170
monetization systems in media
today. It's like one ad I don't

596
00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:14,520
give a shit. Like it's just an
annoyance that has to be there.

597
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,380
You know, whereas I'm like,
isn't it? If I listened to Tales

598
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,920
from the Crypt, I love Marty
bent. And I remember when we

599
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,590
were first starting out like
what is this crazy nutjob over

600
00:37:25,590 --> 00:37:32,310
there with tfcc he's done some
paywall podcast, like, ever, but

601
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:38,250
now I'm hooked Who? And, and but
he starts off it's between three

602
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:40,920
and five minutes of ads. Now
I've heard most of them, they

603
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640
change. And there's some
interesting services. But I do

604
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,350
find myself bopping through, you
know? Yeah. And and so I'm glad

605
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:55,110
that but he has and he's he's
all over Sphynx chats. I wonder

606
00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,930
how many people listen to how
that's doing for him.

607
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,090
I think that's pretty big. That

608
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:03,330
podcast is a huge audience. I
just don't know how many. How

609
00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:04,770
many are on chat.

610
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,890
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
get the impression that quite a

611
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:10,500
few. Yeah. And because you know,
you've always got lurkers that

612
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,300
are not active. But wait a
minute.

613
00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:16,230
Can I not see who the members
are? If I tap on the tribe? And

614
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:19,380
I don't know, can you? If you
can, that'd be neat. Well, I

615
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,840
know you can do it. If you own
the tribe. I don't know if you

616
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,610
can do it. I don't

617
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:25,410
know. I don't think you can No,

618
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,550
no, no, no, no.

619
00:38:27,059 --> 00:38:32,759
No. So, you know, by the way,
listening to Cridland explain

620
00:38:32,759 --> 00:38:36,479
this. Explain what value the
value tag and how it works is

621
00:38:37,709 --> 00:38:39,929
quite entertaining. Yeah.

622
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:43,050
Well, and that was that was you
know, he doesn't believe Bitcoin

623
00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:44,730
is real, which is fine. But

624
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,390
it says blockchain six times in
a row Satoshi Nakamoto appears.

625
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:48,630
And

626
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:55,260
by the way, I FPS is not
blockchain. Yeah. It Yeah. Yeah.

627
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,200
If you read a little bit further
down the Wikipedia entry, you'll

628
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,040
see what it means.

629
00:38:59,310 --> 00:39:04,170
But, but I think the, you know,
like, that is a great idea.

630
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:07,950
Because it takes there's a bunch
of different UI concepts there

631
00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,890
that you could do to enhance
this. Like, once you get those

632
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:14,430
juices flowing like you what
you're just saying, if you have

633
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:21,240
value in like, you know, Fiat,
is sitting there next to an

634
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,660
episode, it's like, well, if
right into this episode, this is

635
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,020
what it's gonna cost. Yeah. But
it's really not gonna I mean,

636
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:30,840
you could listen to it for free,
but it's like, it's more like,

637
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:33,720
here's how much you're gonna
donate to this. Yes, you're

638
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,160
constantly changing. Like,

639
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:37,710
here's the value, we just a
value. Here's the value you're

640
00:39:37,710 --> 00:39:40,950
sending back. Here's how, here's
how much you value that here's

641
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:44,400
how much you valued. This
podcast so far is another great

642
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,810
one. What have I done so far for
this podcast? You know, and why

643
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,470
not have some statistics like,
what have I boosted the most I

644
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,750
mean, there's a lot of different
things that you can see you

645
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:58,410
know, for your own behavior, and
your own control over over how

646
00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:02,580
you spend your your time. And
your value. There's so many cool

647
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:03,780
things that we can do.

648
00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:09,209
Yeah, what about this, as you're
listening to the podcast to that

649
00:40:09,209 --> 00:40:14,429
show that episode, there's an UP
DOWN ARROW when you can just on

650
00:40:14,429 --> 00:40:16,439
the right there on the screen,
it's like, oh, I need to, like

651
00:40:16,469 --> 00:40:19,769
use that you're moving your
slider up as the you know, as

652
00:40:19,769 --> 00:40:22,439
your, you're like, Man, this is
such a good episode, and you can

653
00:40:22,439 --> 00:40:27,209
boost or you can just dismiss
raise your permitted amount,

654
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,230
I think you and I've learned so
over the decade or so that very

655
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:35,220
often things that are set a
certain way, and this is how

656
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:38,700
it's done. In this case, paying
for something is always

657
00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:42,330
obfuscated, where many times if
you reverse whatever has been

658
00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:46,500
hidden under the layers for
decades, and you pop it to the

659
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,870
front. It's exciting. Yeah. So
you have this the value slider

660
00:40:51,870 --> 00:40:54,300
and all this stuff, which is
hidden inside Sphinx chat

661
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:58,410
preferences. You know, I see it
on the on the breeze demo, like,

662
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,980
Oh, that makes so much sense. I
can change it right there on the

663
00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:07,380
fly while I'm listening. You
know? And, yes, anyway, also,

664
00:41:07,410 --> 00:41:11,520
well, you know, I missed pod dad
in pod station last night when I

665
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,100
was testing the Ellen pay stuff,
or for Andy. I was I was

666
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,250
listening to pot station. And I
was sitting there listening,

667
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:22,590
watching. I'm watching my Elon
pay wallet and everything's

668
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:26,880
moving. SATs are flowing. I'm
like, cool. And then and I like

669
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,970
just had this instinct to reach
out and do a boost. And then

670
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:30,180
there's,

671
00:41:30,329 --> 00:41:35,609
there's no yeah, I felt I know.
It's totally addictive. Speaking

672
00:41:35,609 --> 00:41:39,149
of. Oh, yeah. boosting Oh my
god, it feels so good when you

673
00:41:39,149 --> 00:41:40,229
do it. But

674
00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,820
boosting is it boosting is the
current. It's this is stupid,

675
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:51,780
cuz it's all about currency. But
this thing quickly becomes the

676
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:58,920
currency of this whole thing.
It's, it's a social feeding

677
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:03,690
mechanism. Where because like if
you go on Spanx, you can just

678
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,800
drop into a tribe on there and
see it is what you see is a

679
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,430
bunch of back and forth boosting
Yeah, a lot of trash don't even

680
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:16,080
have much actual chat going on
in there. They just have this

681
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:19,860
weird back and forth, train of
boost things. And everybody just

682
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:21,300
kind of knows what it means.

683
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:26,670
I know I was in Tales from the
Crypt and I boosted my 404 SATs.

684
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:30,600
And about 30 minutes later I get
a notification. Marty's boosted

685
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,870
a toe eight on the on the
weekend. They

686
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:34,470
doubled up but

687
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:38,730
yeah, it's it's really it. I
like your toss and 50 cents

688
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:43,080
around. You know, it's it's not
much when it's a couple of bros

689
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,190
hanging out. But when you got
1000 people started to get

690
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:48,240
pretty interesting.

691
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:52,560
Yeah. See, that's the thing is
is, you know, the Fiat would be

692
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,130
nice to see. But I don't I don't
really even think about that

693
00:42:56,130 --> 00:43:00,570
this goes back to well, we have
an education path. Remember,

694
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:04,350
we've got people who don't even
use podcast apps, they use the

695
00:43:04,350 --> 00:43:08,460
web browser. And when I hear
someone struggling, even with

696
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:12,930
the name, it's satoshis, not
satoshis. Yeah, because that's

697
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:20,400
kind of a, you know, just
anglicization this is wrong. You

698
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,410
know, and people don't
understand the value. It would

699
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:28,200
be handy to have that there. I
think this has been proven in

700
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,530
wallets for many years that
people do want to have that

701
00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:34,080
quick conversion, at least
within reach.

702
00:43:34,469 --> 00:43:38,039
Yeah, but it goes back to grit
to Gresham's law, that idea that

703
00:43:38,129 --> 00:43:41,969
bad money drives out good. So
you know, you expect you would

704
00:43:41,969 --> 00:43:45,839
expect, and this is what you
pick up from the from the sort

705
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:49,379
of culture around Bitcoin and
the news and that kind of thing.

706
00:43:49,769 --> 00:43:54,629
And you would expect that people
with Bitcoin are stingy, they

707
00:43:54,629 --> 00:43:57,359
don't want to spend it, because
they consider this to be good

708
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:01,589
quality. This is quality money,
versus Fiat paper money, which

709
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:03,809
is like, you know, the garbage
Well,

710
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:08,279
it's an extension of the entire
value system. The fact that you

711
00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:13,109
have Bitcoin means you already
if you have it today, before all

712
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:19,019
this you understand value. And
what what's what spending that

713
00:44:19,019 --> 00:44:24,509
today could mean two years from
now. So yes, and I think most

714
00:44:24,569 --> 00:44:26,819
bitcoiners are very
philanthropic actually.

715
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:30,300
See, that's what I'm getting at.
Because you have that whole I

716
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,050
didn't get your Did you don't
want to spend your good quality

717
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:37,950
money. But once you get into an
ecosystem where, where that's

718
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:42,750
where everybody is spending in
that currency that Gresham's law

719
00:44:42,750 --> 00:44:45,600
falls away, and it doesn't apply
anymore, right. So now, now,

720
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,720
people are free to throw their
throwing SATs around all over

721
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,810
the place, because it's not
because they they just don't

722
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:55,680
want to train them out for a bus
for, you know, for Fiat. But as

723
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,440
long as everything's in the
system, like keeping it down

724
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,910
home cars type of thing. That's
things change, like the whole

725
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:06,330
dynamic changes, I guess. And so
you, I feel a whole lot freer

726
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,810
to, you know, I don't even think
about how much it cost, you

727
00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:13,020
know, I mean, if I see if I see
a six digit sad, I mean, of

728
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,240
course, I'm gonna be like, Well,
wait, let me think about this.

729
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,360
But I mean, you know, somebody,
I'll boost somebody 1000 status,

730
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,900
it doesn't bother me. I mean, I
mean, it may should maybe it

731
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,210
should bother me. I don't even
know how much I spent on

732
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:27,390
podcasts the last month, but I
don't think about it anymore, I

733
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:28,530
guess is what I'm trying to say.

734
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:35,069
Yeah. And I'm with you. I mean,
I put 100 bucks into my voltage

735
00:45:35,069 --> 00:45:39,509
podcaster node, which I just go
atoms podcaster podcast wallets

736
00:45:39,509 --> 00:45:45,389
as incoming and outgoing. And I
never look at it. I mean, I only

737
00:45:45,389 --> 00:45:49,709
look at what's come in just to
see trends, etc. And I've spent

738
00:45:49,739 --> 00:45:53,369
time I don't know, I mean, all
that if there's, if there's a

739
00:45:53,369 --> 00:45:56,309
podcast I can listen to on
either pod station or on Sphinx,

740
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:59,999
I'll do it. And that that's my
thing is like, I listened to

741
00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:03,239
everything on pod friend, but
then I've shit man. If I'm gonna

742
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,369
listen to Cridland, then I'm
going to listen to Sphinx. I'm

743
00:46:05,369 --> 00:46:11,219
going to listen to orange pill.
I'm going to listen in. In

744
00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:14,579
Sphinx or, actually pod station,
because I usually open the

745
00:46:14,579 --> 00:46:19,889
studio. Just to moan about Elon
pay. So this is big news.

746
00:46:19,889 --> 00:46:25,619
Because Tim over there at Elon
pay. He's now enabled. Key send

747
00:46:25,619 --> 00:46:28,379
receive on your Elon pay wallet,
correct?

748
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,189
Yeah, we tested it last night.
So we're, we're just fine.

749
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:35,370
How does this work? And how does
it work in regard to some extra

750
00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:38,790
parameters that need to be in
the feed? Is that something

751
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:41,790
that's in the database? How does
all that work? Oh, yeah,

752
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:45,240
we want to do some namespace
stuff. Well, technically

753
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:45,870
namespace.

754
00:46:46,679 --> 00:46:51,749
Okay, now it's time for some hot
name states on attractive when

755
00:46:51,749 --> 00:46:51,869
you

756
00:46:51,869 --> 00:46:53,279
beg for a Dave Jones.

757
00:46:54,869 --> 00:46:57,059
I'm not ashamed. Another shame a
better

758
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:06,150
name, Jennifer. See? Yeah, so
Ellen pay has inbounds Kissin,

759
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:10,230
but it needs it needs a route
around around route parameter.

760
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:16,590
Yeah. And so the parameter is
key value, key value pair. And

761
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:21,210
it's a it's something that goes
into the to the lightning

762
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:25,710
transaction. So the way Tim's
Tim's is, it's got a key as

763
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:31,620
696969. And then the value is
the wallet address. And so you

764
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:37,320
put that into the new custom key
and custom value parameters that

765
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,760
go in the value recipient tag.
And that can act as a routing

766
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,340
hint that will let the receiving
end know how to get to that if

767
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:49,980
they're using something like Tim
is with like a virtual wallet

768
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:50,430
system.

769
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:53,670
So we're poked, so we're pulling
that out of the index, then,

770
00:47:54,389 --> 00:47:57,119
yeah, put that into the index
the other day, it was not in

771
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,029
there. I had written up the spec
before I implemented it in the

772
00:48:00,029 --> 00:48:03,299
back. Okay, but but now it is in
there. So that's what we were

773
00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:04,199
testing last night.

774
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:09,270
It is my belief, I think, and I
don't know. And this is a

775
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:12,660
question for Tim or anybody. I
know that I've had an Ellen

776
00:48:12,660 --> 00:48:17,550
bits, wallet, I could connect
from an app to my Ellen bits

777
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:22,260
wallet. Would it technically be
possible for me to connect to my

778
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:25,500
Ellen pay wallet with an app as
well?

779
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:26,849
For instance, like zap,

780
00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:34,590
zap? I think I'm gonna look at
it right now. Zap. I have shits

781
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,520
messed up now.

782
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:37,890
Here we go.

783
00:48:39,870 --> 00:48:44,100
Yeah, I think this is an Elon.
Well, I thought I had an Elon

784
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:48,840
bits. wallet somewhere. Maybe it
was, hey, you may know Elon

785
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,530
bits. That's why Elon bits is
very similar, similar structure

786
00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:56,850
with a, you know, one node,
virtual addresses. Touch just

787
00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:00,960
wondering if, okay, if we can, I
mean, it's so beautiful. It's

788
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,260
such a beautiful solution. I
mean, it's not you know, it's

789
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:08,250
you don't have custody of
everything you should but just

790
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:11,280
to get up and started. It's
really great if we can if we can

791
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,130
set that up and also for like, I
set up. Neal Jones the clip

792
00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:20,760
custodian for no agenda, thank
you actually put his his note in

793
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,230
the value block for no agenda.
And but I set him up on Spanx.

794
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,690
But you know, which, you know,
there's easier ways to get

795
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:33,960
someone set up to receive key
send payments, if they're, no,

796
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,870
maybe they don't need a whole
big node solution. They just

797
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:39,480
want to receive stuff and be
able to send it somewhere else

798
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,440
or do something with it.

799
00:49:40,829 --> 00:49:43,349
Did that work for him? Is he
getting set? Yeah,

800
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:49,200
yeah. He said he already had 250
I think last night, he sent me a

801
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,910
message. So it was it was
working. I love that. Yeah. So

802
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:56,880
but Ellen pay, could that also
be integrated into podcaster?

803
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,780
wallet.com.

804
00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:01,770
Yeah, yeah. I don't see why. It
would just be another

805
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:04,920
integration just like we do with
voltages. Thanks.

806
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:06,780
Okay, do we need to talk to Tim
about that?

807
00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:10,230
Yeah, now that we get to now
that we have that key in there,

808
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:14,640
we do it. And it's a it's a key
value pair that also Sphynx

809
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,350
needed anyway, because they're
doing Private Channel

810
00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:18,329
doing that, too. Yeah.

811
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,300
So that that thing had to be in
there. So that's it should be

812
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,640
good to go. Now on the on the
index side.

813
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:31,379
Ryan Gentry who loves hearing
his name on this show. By the

814
00:50:31,379 --> 00:50:34,529
way, thanks for the Twitter
love. Brian. He tweeted your

815
00:50:34,589 --> 00:50:35,909
your article. Oh,

816
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:37,470
yeah, I appreciated that. Yeah.

817
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:41,790
If he is getting me in touch
with the Emerald, guys.

818
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:45,300
I don't know anything that's
like, basically a competitor to

819
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:46,320
raspy Blitz, right?

820
00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:51,720
He says, Do you want to chat
with the Emerald guys, I know

821
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,720
you're on the raspy Blitz, but
they're shooting for a bit more

822
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,170
noob friendly version, maybe
more palatable for the broader

823
00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:01,530
podcaster ecosystem. And, of
course, we want everybody in

824
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,000
whatever I want every single
node type provider on podcast or

825
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,620
wallet calm and be great if we
can show benefits, whatever. I

826
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:15,060
know that would make sense
should probably talk about this.

827
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:19,680
Since we're in that realm. Brees
has put together a little,

828
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:25,590
little mini JSON thing that
they're going to send along with

829
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:28,380
every key send for statistics.

830
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:30,600
Oh, really? I didn't know that.
That.

831
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:32,220
You didn't get the email.

832
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:35,429
You did? No.

833
00:51:35,489 --> 00:51:40,409
You didn't read the email, man.
You're on drugs. Oh, okay. Yeah,

834
00:51:40,439 --> 00:51:44,099
no. Oh, gee, that's interesting.
Because I think it's probably

835
00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:46,259
something we should let
everybody know about. Let me

836
00:51:46,259 --> 00:51:48,299
just see where I have. I guess

837
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:49,950
I just totally missed that. No,

838
00:51:49,949 --> 00:51:52,709
that's okay. Here it is. I think
I've got it.

839
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,050
Right. Not this one.

840
00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:03,329
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
we're like a blur. Yeah, no,

841
00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:04,169
I know. I know. I

842
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:11,370
know. I know. Jeez, I'm not
quite sure where this was now

843
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,470
off to go. Wait means it.

844
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:16,470
Didn't his last response to
this?

845
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,940
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

846
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,040
Let me just see, Roy.

847
00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:23,099
Let you know, though, here we
go.

848
00:52:23,219 --> 00:52:29,129
Here we go. Here it is. Here it
is, here it is. So this is

849
00:52:29,129 --> 00:52:31,859
something that they're working
on implementing this send custom

850
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:36,119
podcast related metadata on each
payment that looks like this for

851
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,839
analytics. And there's and I
recognize the JSON brackets. So

852
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,409
I know what's going on here. The
tags are podcast title, Episode,

853
00:52:46,409 --> 00:52:50,939
title action, with a option
between stream or boost, and

854
00:52:50,939 --> 00:52:57,089
then action time. Neat. And that
he is setting up with I think

855
00:52:57,089 --> 00:53:01,409
voltage so that they can provide
a little dashboard, where you

856
00:53:01,409 --> 00:53:05,129
have some stats, how cool is
that man? And so I'm looking at

857
00:53:05,129 --> 00:53:08,579
that I'm saying, well, we need
to expand that. I mean, there's

858
00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:12,929
more stuff in there. I mean, I
would love to be able to add my

859
00:53:12,929 --> 00:53:16,979
name or my alias, they just
payments from Adam. Yeah, you

860
00:53:16,979 --> 00:53:22,649
know, and stuff like that little
message, whatever. And by the

861
00:53:22,649 --> 00:53:24,959
way, none of that is free. You
know, eventually you get these

862
00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:27,719
sizes big and more routing comes
through is all kinds of

863
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,989
interesting things that take
place, but I love it. This to me

864
00:53:30,989 --> 00:53:34,529
is makes so much sense. You
know, immediately you're giving

865
00:53:34,529 --> 00:53:38,909
people some some statistics and
a way to look at what's going

866
00:53:38,909 --> 00:53:39,239
on.

867
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:42,960
That solves the problem of not
knowing who it comes from, to,

868
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:46,050
you know if you can add that
data and add it in. Yeah,

869
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:49,290
so that's so you take a look at
that email again.

870
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:52,679
Here's what I would love. Okay,
here's what i would love on the

871
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,199
boost side. I would love to have
on a mobile app. I would love to

872
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:03,269
be able to long press the boost
button and have a customizable

873
00:54:03,269 --> 00:54:05,369
amount. Nice. So you can

874
00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:07,559
long press and then slide up or
down.

875
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:10,980
Yeah, exactly. Long press it
pops up a dialog and you can

876
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:16,560
just you can get it so easy. So
say I want to give a one time I

877
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,620
want to give a one time
10 10,000 said right drop on

878
00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:27,240
this thing. But yeah. namespace
stuff. Did you see that? cup to

879
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:31,080
two things. captivate added?
Yes,

880
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:33,330
yes. They added what they add
transcripts.

881
00:54:33,659 --> 00:54:38,039
Yeah, transcripts. And that's
their first add. We're gonna

882
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:39,659
have them on the show in April.

883
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:42,750
Yes, I saw that. Nice. Nice,
nice. Yes, this is good.

884
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,970
Congratulations. And go ahead.

885
00:54:45,329 --> 00:54:49,889
Yeah, and also blueberry.
they've released the beta for

886
00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:53,189
their powerpress plugin that has
all the tags in it,

887
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,910
all of them.

888
00:54:54,359 --> 00:54:59,069
I think it's got the first
phase. I don't remember. Let me

889
00:54:59,069 --> 00:55:00,959
see if I can look and see Man, I
just got

890
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,020
a guy just got to get the
WordPress thing and just make my

891
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:06,030
own feet. I'm getting
frustrated.

892
00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:11,249
Well, let's see. Let me look.
Here's Mike's message to me that

893
00:55:11,249 --> 00:55:16,619
says they got locked transcript
chapters funding location to

894
00:55:16,619 --> 00:55:20,699
start with is what he said. He
said more coming. Nice a lot, a

895
00:55:20,699 --> 00:55:23,429
lot of transcript chapters
funding and location,

896
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:27,120
which is bad. Which brings us to
certification.

897
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:30,030
Yes, you will be audited.

898
00:55:30,659 --> 00:55:37,229
This is so hilarious. When I say
when I say give people a badge,

899
00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:41,189
you know, for certification,
your podcasting 2.0 certified.

900
00:55:41,699 --> 00:55:46,079
To me. That's like the top 5% of
the internet. If you remember

901
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,299
that back in the in the late
90s.

902
00:55:48,659 --> 00:55:51,599
We're at the original version of
the name Alexa. Right?

903
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Who Yeah. Oh, is that what it
could be? Yeah, the Alexa

904
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,100
top 100 or whatever?

905
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:04,320
Well, the there was first a guy,
just a guy who had this top 5%

906
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,860
of the internet. And he would
send people emails and and of

907
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:10,200
course, he said, paste this code
on your website, which was a

908
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,830
link back to his website. Yeah,
that was the genius part of it.

909
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:17,520
And I got calls from Reebok from
the Chief barkos. Whoa, we got

910
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,930
an email. We're top 5% of the
internet. Like, we need to put

911
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:25,890
that badge on there right away.
So the whole idea is a badge

912
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:29,610
that just links back to us. To
me if you're on the new podcast

913
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:33,750
apps.com or the podcasts
index.org slash apps page here.

914
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,100
2.0. Certified?

915
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,109
Yeah, you personally, I
certified you personally.

916
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:43,560
Yes, that's what it is. You're
on that list. You're certified.

917
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:48,330
We just need to have really, it
may be that list that list that

918
00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:53,250
page needs to? Ooh, I don't
know. We got to work on on the

919
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:56,820
communication. I know, Eric.
Eric is thinking about different

920
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:59,760
paths for people to take when
they get to podcast. index.org.

921
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,960
Yeah, we do the listener side
developer side, a podcaster.

922
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,690
side. But that's really it. And
we're not going to go certify

923
00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:09,510
people. We're not going to
verify it. Hey, does your shit

924
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:11,880
work in my app? Oh,
congratulations. Hey, does your

925
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,860
app work with this shit?
Congratulations.

926
00:57:14,429 --> 00:57:16,559
Is that the is that the white
paper you just laid out?

927
00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:20,190
Yes. Does your shit work here?
Just any little piece of this

928
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:23,400
shit work? You got just the lock
tag. Congratulations. You're in

929
00:57:23,429 --> 00:57:24,479
sort of a batch.

930
00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:28,770
A small batch is very small
batch. batch. Yeah. So that's,

931
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:30,510
that's the certification.

932
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:35,670
I do like the idea of writing up
a sort of a guidance thing where

933
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:40,590
it's like, because there are
issues here like let Horwitz

934
00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:43,440
feed to me. They're, they're a
disaster. Yeah, what

935
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,350
exactly is the problem with his
feed? What's going on? That's a

936
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:46,740
core

937
00:57:46,739 --> 00:57:52,349
thing. That Yeah, well, no, it's
it's HTTPS. So the feed is

938
00:57:52,379 --> 00:57:56,009
consistent, was being served
over HTTPS. And then but the day

939
00:57:56,009 --> 00:57:57,029
closures weren't.

940
00:57:58,739 --> 00:58:00,239
That's when you get a course
thing I got

941
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:02,850
you get the you get the mixed
content warning and all that

942
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:06,180
jazz. So like, there needs to be
a guidance document that says,

943
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:10,590
Okay, are you do you want to be
podcasting 2.0 you got to put

944
00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:13,350
the namespace in there. But then
you also have to, you know, or

945
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:17,100
not have to, but we also highly
encourage you to review your

946
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:20,610
feed, make sure that this stuff
works, because part of cast part

947
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:25,740
of podcasting 2.0 is that web
podcast players are important.

948
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,080
And the web, the pw a guys
cannot function properly. If

949
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:36,420
your webs if your feed rep has
mixed content problems or in

950
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:38,880
court issues and all that kind
of stuff. You gotta fix all that

951
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,020
stuff. But I think podcasting
2.0 we should link the badge

952
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:47,940
back to a page that says I
agree. These things namespace

953
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:51,510
Corps, HTTPS, bah, bah, bah,
bah.

954
00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:56,880
Yeah. And I'd like that
explanation because pw A's web

955
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:03,930
apps are critical to podcasting.
2.0 Which brings me to our next

956
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,790
little tidbit to hit, which may
or may not be namespace related.

957
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:10,830
audiobooks,

958
00:59:11,909 --> 00:59:14,099
though, I have audible on my
list here.

959
00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:18,120
Yes, I Well, that's brilliant
minds. I that was that a link

960
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,620
that I shared with you earlier
this week with the in our group

961
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:27,300
there about? How am I audible is
completely boning independent.

962
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:33,300
Yeah, publishers of books. Or
doc or something? Yeah, hold on

963
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:36,390
a sec. I have it. I have it
here. Let me see

964
00:59:37,469 --> 00:59:40,439
the name of something. Hold on a
second I think space dot space

965
00:59:40,439 --> 00:59:40,649
dot

966
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:45,149
here it is. Yes, space doc.
Listen, he's he's a real good

967
00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:45,689
voice.

968
00:59:45,809 --> 00:59:48,539
Hey everyone, Daniel from space
doc here in a rather different

969
00:59:48,539 --> 00:59:50,879
video from usual today I'm here
to talk to you all about the

970
00:59:50,879 --> 00:59:54,029
experiences we've had with
Amazon audible whilst trying to

971
00:59:54,029 --> 00:59:57,299
distribute our science fiction
audio drama, The sojourn and

972
00:59:57,299 --> 01:00:00,269
what we've learned about how
that company treats creators In

973
01:00:00,269 --> 01:00:04,169
July of 2020, we submitted the
first volume for serious

974
01:00:04,169 --> 01:00:07,439
platforms, including audible. We
did. So three weeks in advance

975
01:00:07,439 --> 01:00:10,259
of the sojourns planned launch
date, as we were told that would

976
01:00:10,259 --> 01:00:12,899
be enough time for the files to
be approved and processed.

977
01:00:12,959 --> 01:00:15,359
Google Books and various other
platforms managed to get the

978
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:18,359
volume ready to distribute in a
couple of days. But as I'm sure

979
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:20,579
many of you have noticed, it
took audible a frankly,

980
01:00:20,579 --> 01:00:24,089
ludicrous four and a half months
to get the volume up on their

981
01:00:24,089 --> 01:00:24,539
store.

982
01:00:24,570 --> 01:00:27,990
Jesus, yeah. And then, and then
he does the numbers. And he

983
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:31,980
says, oh, by the way, you really
only are winding up with 18% of

984
01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:34,530
the revenue, if you really look
at how they do how they

985
01:00:34,530 --> 01:00:37,170
calculate and do everything, and
they're stealing. And they're

986
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:41,340
assholes. And for months is
ridiculous. This is all that

987
01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:45,660
needs to happen. Because we'll
do whatever and I'm speaking on

988
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:50,190
your behalf, Dev named Dave, we
will create the endpoint,

989
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:55,710
whatever you need. But you just
need a new interface that says

990
01:00:55,860 --> 01:01:01,170
audiobook. And we need people to
publish their audio books, in

991
01:01:01,170 --> 01:01:07,020
chapters with streaming value
for value, I guarantee you, you

992
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:10,740
will make more money than you
will on Amazon. That's an easy

993
01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:17,400
guarantee for me. And I think it
can function under podcasting.

994
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,030
It'll work perfectly in a
podcast app. But if you make an

995
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:27,030
interface that says audiobooks,
value for value, I think some I

996
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:31,650
think it will work. I think it's
even easier. It's even it goes

997
01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:32,700
deeper than even that.

998
01:01:32,849 --> 01:01:37,679
So what I had what I had jotted
down on here when I watched that

999
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:41,099
video, so what I watched that
video that you sent, and then

1000
01:01:41,099 --> 01:01:47,069
the next day on the way to to
the office. I was listening to

1001
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:51,809
him Cameron, what audio book it
was anyway, I was listening to

1002
01:01:51,809 --> 01:01:57,179
an audio book on Audible. And,
and I was noticing that it just

1003
01:01:57,179 --> 01:01:59,249
said chapter one chapter two
chapter. Oh, it was the

1004
01:01:59,249 --> 01:02:04,709
yearling. Okay. I was listening
to the yearling. The old book

1005
01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:11,129
from Marjorie kinnan. Rawlings.
And so, each chapter, it's kind

1006
01:02:11,129 --> 01:02:14,009
of weird because I'm bouncing
back and forth between the audio

1007
01:02:14,009 --> 01:02:16,829
book and the printed book.
Because I'm sort of reading

1008
01:02:16,829 --> 01:02:22,439
along with my daughter who's 10.
And the, the printed book, the

1009
01:02:22,439 --> 01:02:30,089
chapters have titles, and then
the and the audible audiobook.

1010
01:02:30,479 --> 01:02:33,479
They're just chapter numbers. It
just says chapter one chapter

1011
01:02:33,479 --> 01:02:33,809
two, my

1012
01:02:33,809 --> 01:02:36,359
god we haven't even fact figured
chapters out yet

1013
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:40,020
did they don't even have chapter
titles. Oh, my goodness, in this

1014
01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:42,900
audible app has been around for
free long is

1015
01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,420
worse than podcasting.

1016
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,500
That's what I'm saying. So like,
this is not. So this made me

1017
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,650
think about this made me think
about Spotify, and all the stuff

1018
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:56,640
that they were, you know, doing
on their thing last week, and

1019
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,110
all the stuff they were touting?
And I started thinking like, we

1020
01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:06,360
are so far ahead of that entire
game. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, yeah,

1021
01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:11,760
we got if you want to put you
can publish your audio book in a

1022
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:17,370
podcasting 2.0, namespace to
certified certified certified, a

1023
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:24,600
certified feed. And you get all
this stuff you could get imagine

1024
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:30,090
the experience of going into a
podcasting 2.0 app, to listen to

1025
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,780
the yearling. Okay, the original
book that year, like from Oh,

1026
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:37,200
gosh, was from the 30s or 40s?
No, no, no, I'm sorry, for the

1027
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,880
early 50s. The original version
of that, of that book, had

1028
01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:50,700
chapter titles had chapter art.
I don't know who did it. I'm

1029
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:54,630
sorry. It was from the
3030 3838. Okay, I don't know

1030
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:58,350
who did the art, but it had art
in it. So imagine you're going

1031
01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:03,420
into a podcasting 2.0 app, pod
friend, podcast, attic pod

1032
01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:07,020
station. They know, Piper
catcher, any of these, any of

1033
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:10,800
these apps. And you're you start
listening to the to the audio

1034
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,310
book of the yearling. And it's
got chapter titles. It's got the

1035
01:04:14,310 --> 01:04:19,290
chapter art in it. You could ran
scripts, you can teach your

1036
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:23,340
children to read along with the
transcript yet because that that

1037
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:30,210
book, the full text is available
in on Gutenberg press. You You

1038
01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:35,910
could have a stellar audio book
experience today.

1039
01:04:36,059 --> 01:04:37,619
Yep. As a

1040
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:38,820
pod and get paid.

1041
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,969
Yes. And I think that in this
case, you'd have a little

1042
01:04:41,969 --> 01:04:47,909
algorithm like suggested price
for this book. Yeah, yeah. What

1043
01:04:47,999 --> 01:04:49,889
this book Yeah, what do you
think what is it worth to you?

1044
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:54,059
About most books? Yeah, I'd be
like five bucks. Just to just to

1045
01:04:54,059 --> 01:04:58,799
make it easy. As I'm going
along. Maybe something says

1046
01:04:58,829 --> 01:05:02,909
still five bucks. Good. Knowing
that I increased it a bit.

1047
01:05:03,389 --> 01:05:06,329
I finished I finished the
yearling and I cried like a two

1048
01:05:06,329 --> 01:05:09,719
year old child. Because it was
this is this is like one of the

1049
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:10,769
saddest books ever.

1050
01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:12,570
Yeah, it's not really uplifting.

1051
01:05:14,369 --> 01:05:17,279
I would have boosted the hell
out of that book if I had a

1052
01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:21,989
boost button. Because it was
just a fantastic book. And they

1053
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:25,409
so you could have and think
about LibriVox, you know,

1054
01:05:25,409 --> 01:05:29,429
everybody's knock on LibriVox is
that the narrators are not good

1055
01:05:29,429 --> 01:05:31,679
quality. Right now. They're
spending they're, they're

1056
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:35,069
spending their time, their
valuable time to do this as a

1057
01:05:35,069 --> 01:05:40,859
service to humanity. But imagine
that the increase in quality

1058
01:05:40,859 --> 01:05:43,769
that you would get if they knew
they can get paid for it, and it

1059
01:05:43,769 --> 01:05:44,639
became a market

1060
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:49,589
Exactly. And it's ready to go.
And I've learned all it really

1061
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:53,789
takes is some example of
content. This is the main thing

1062
01:05:53,789 --> 01:05:57,119
that everyone's been missing for
a decade, is you just back and

1063
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,509
forth. And you need someone to
say, okay, fuck it, I'll support

1064
01:06:00,509 --> 01:06:04,739
that. You know, what was a real
tipping point for us? buzzsprout

1065
01:06:04,739 --> 01:06:08,069
transcript? Yeah, that was it.
That was it. They had it

1066
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:10,709
already, you know, so that, so
that was just pulling the pieces

1067
01:06:10,709 --> 01:06:13,649
together. And someone said,
okay, shit, yeah. And I'll make

1068
01:06:13,649 --> 01:06:16,079
an app that works with that. And
then more people made content.

1069
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,369
And that's how it works. This is
why I've discussed with Max

1070
01:06:20,369 --> 01:06:23,879
Keiser, and Stacy, really, I
should say, I discussed with

1071
01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:27,779
Stacy because you don't discuss
with Max, you just sit back and

1072
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:33,629
enjoy. She she's been putting
together this dynamite

1073
01:06:33,659 --> 01:06:39,719
documentary 10 episode series of
the orange pill called to the

1074
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:44,039
moon. And it's their history,
all the people they interviewed

1075
01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:48,509
about Bitcoin starting in
2010 2011, when they first got

1076
01:06:48,509 --> 01:06:51,659
into it, and you know, they have
been around the world have

1077
01:06:51,689 --> 01:06:55,739
interviewed 1000s of people
probably at this point. And

1078
01:06:55,739 --> 01:07:01,409
she's, she's she's edited this
into a real fast pace. Dynamite

1079
01:07:01,409 --> 01:07:05,099
documentary, two episodes are
out now I caught them. And I

1080
01:07:05,099 --> 01:07:10,109
listened to them on the swings
chat. And it really translated

1081
01:07:10,109 --> 01:07:14,699
well to audio. And so I said, I
said, Stacey, when you're done

1082
01:07:14,699 --> 01:07:18,239
with these, let's make a
separate feed just a static feed

1083
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:22,079
10 episodes. I'm sure I can get
Tom to throw that on there.

1084
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:25,109
Because they have they used
buzzsprout just to separate, you

1085
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:29,909
know, 10 episode feed that has a
value block in it. And we're

1086
01:07:29,909 --> 01:07:34,829
gonna make it available in audio
and video. Nice. And what a

1087
01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:41,039
phenomenal piece of content to
experiment with value for value

1088
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:44,159
with video as well. dollar apps
can do it.

1089
01:07:46,349 --> 01:07:50,039
Which thing is things have
video? I don't. I don't think

1090
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:51,089
they do. That's a good point. I

1091
01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:53,520
don't think that they may not
well, and also I'm sure pod

1092
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,630
station doesn't play it but most
apps will will play video.

1093
01:07:58,110 --> 01:08:02,970
I bet you put that bet you get a
bet you could put video in

1094
01:08:02,970 --> 01:08:04,950
there. So you can do that fairly
what I'm

1095
01:08:04,949 --> 01:08:08,549
thinking is instead of Oh, it's
video podcasting, why not?

1096
01:08:08,759 --> 01:08:13,259
Here's your documentary app.
Boom, there's a new documentary.

1097
01:08:13,739 --> 01:08:18,209
Here's the first one here's the
cool thing about it. It's free

1098
01:08:18,929 --> 01:08:24,629
but it's value for value so you
can boost in the documentary if

1099
01:08:24,629 --> 01:08:27,629
you have this is great is it
just stream some stats while

1100
01:08:27,629 --> 01:08:31,829
you're watching it and make an
app call it isn't just another

1101
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:36,389
skin documentaries value for
value documentaries

1102
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:43,800
See that's so if you want to see
if you want to see real what

1103
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,390
real stagnation and lack of
innovation looks like go look at

1104
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:52,470
audibles app go look at Spotify
as app if that's what you want.

1105
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:53,580
If

1106
01:08:53,699 --> 01:08:56,849
that's how you want your your
your work of art consumed,

1107
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:02,280
yeah, then then then all you get
to do is allow Spotify or Amazon

1108
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,330
or any of these guys to get
50 60% market share. Yeah, and

1109
01:09:06,330 --> 01:09:09,930
you'll see all innovation come
to a screeching halt Yeah,

1110
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:13,020
that's that that's how that's
how that works. I mean look like

1111
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:17,430
I said look at the quality of
experience that you can have in

1112
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:22,800
a podcasting 2.0 compliant thing
today. Yeah, and in it already.

1113
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:26,640
It's not see this is what's been
bugging me. This is what bugged

1114
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,720
me all throughout the Spotify
stuff last week. Is this is not

1115
01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:34,320
us trying to catch up to them.
We are so far ahead of them or

1116
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:39,750
miles miles ahead. We've got
mugs with we got we got we got

1117
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:44,160
mugs. We got mugs, baby we got
time for mugs, you're ahead of

1118
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:44,640
the game,

1119
01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:49,500
like a like a cougar happy hour.
Okay, stop. You can't stop us

1120
01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:52,950
this crappy hour.

1121
01:09:53,070 --> 01:09:57,660
I just I'm just yeah, that that
begins that is beginning to to

1122
01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:01,830
bother me is that this is not a
keeping pace. We have already,

1123
01:10:01,950 --> 01:10:06,270
we're already, we're already way
out in front here. Yeah. And

1124
01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:09,120
we're not even to alternate
enclosure yet. That's good.

1125
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:09,870
That's coming.

1126
01:10:10,590 --> 01:10:14,640
closures coming and that's when
we're gonna figure out ipfs.

1127
01:10:15,090 --> 01:10:17,790
Yeah, because that's just gonna
be a switch. And all you got to

1128
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:21,450
do is switch to ipfs. And you're
going to get it from, from us

1129
01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:24,870
opinion server or wherever else
on the network, that's gonna,

1130
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:26,790
it's gonna be amazing.

1131
01:10:27,150 --> 01:10:29,940
And that thing that James has
been talking about, and like, in

1132
01:10:29,940 --> 01:10:33,810
his mind that he, he has this
idea that of flipping back and

1133
01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:36,900
forth between video and audio
streams, like Yeah, all that

1134
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,840
stuff works. Yeah, we'll do
we'll, we're gonna make we're

1135
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,140
gonna make all that stuff
happen. Yeah. Because this this

1136
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:45,540
community of people that are
committed deter that are

1137
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,920
contributing to the namespace
now. That's a good group there,

1138
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,820
vigilantes

1139
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:54,480
boy, the Cowboys. Yeah,

1140
01:10:54,869 --> 01:10:56,159
we can do it. Mm hmm.

1141
01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:58,560
It'd be good to have a cow girl.

1142
01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:05,310
that that would be that would be
nice. Yeah, we know it'd be

1143
01:11:05,310 --> 01:11:05,640
nice.

1144
01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:08,490
I mean, it is what it is our I
find our group to be incredibly

1145
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:12,540
diverse, but it is kind of a lot
of men. Yeah, that's what it is.

1146
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:17,190
I mean, I know we've got the
female counterparts who

1147
01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:19,950
contribute, but not I don't
think necessarily in development

1148
01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,330
that I'm aware of.

1149
01:11:22,139 --> 01:11:25,469
Yeah, I think in general, the
female, the female person, the

1150
01:11:25,529 --> 01:11:28,559
development of the percentage of
developers out there that are

1151
01:11:28,559 --> 01:11:30,659
female is low anyway, so it's
probably just,

1152
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:33,750
I've employed a few good ones.
I'll tell you that.

1153
01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:36,510
Oh, yeah. No, yeah. There's lots
of good ones. They there's just

1154
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:41,460
not enough of them. Yeah. I
think but I think my daughter, I

1155
01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:44,220
think my 10 year old can be a
blessing my daughter. I mean, I

1156
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:47,160
get to get two girls, but my
youngest daughter, I think she

1157
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,640
can. I think she'd been good
developer. Oh, really? Oh, she's

1158
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,940
got that head. headspace. Nice.
Yeah, nice.

1159
01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:57,540
It's funny how you see it early.
You can tell when people are

1160
01:11:57,540 --> 01:11:59,850
just going to be infatuated with
that kind of stuff for the rest

1161
01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:00,420
of their life.

1162
01:12:01,019 --> 01:12:04,859
Also, where, you know, you talk
about being miles ahead. And you

1163
01:12:04,859 --> 01:12:08,459
know, I it's only so much time
in the day, but I tried to go

1164
01:12:08,459 --> 01:12:15,149
past pod verse and pod guru and
podcast addict and antenna pod.

1165
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,939
And I try to keep up with
everything. And everyone's

1166
01:12:17,939 --> 01:12:20,639
integrating. I see announcements
all the time. Oh, we've added

1167
01:12:20,639 --> 01:12:21,839
this. Oh, we've added that.

1168
01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:25,170
Oh, Jason at podcast guru. They
added some stuff recently, too.

1169
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:29,880
He did his pull request on him.
And he's on that page. First and

1170
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,150
me I forgot what tag he put in
IT WAS IT person. I can't

1171
01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:33,510
remember.

1172
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:37,170
And it's so interesting. The
different takes on integration.

1173
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,040
You know, that's really where
art comes down to it. Now,

1174
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,270
because pod verse is completely
different then than anything

1175
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:49,260
else out there the way we're
chapters are, how they're how

1176
01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:52,950
they're located. And I will say
that one of the thing about pod

1177
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:57,240
verse, which I love, it has
internet is that Wait, I said

1178
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:04,050
pod verse? Think of the wrong
one. Now who has the radio

1179
01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:04,920
station in it?

1180
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:07,320
The radio station?

1181
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:11,040
Yeah. Hold on. Someone has
radios whole distances radio and

1182
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:16,050
you got a whole radio app? No,
that's podcast addict, I think.

1183
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:17,160
Let me say.

1184
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,590
I don't know. I don't have a
Android phone. So I guess that's

1185
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:22,740
why

1186
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:26,970
Yeah, podcast addict has there
we go radio stations. And it's

1187
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,050
better than tuning?

1188
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:30,390
Yeah. Oh, I

1189
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:31,500
want to see span.

1190
01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:35,430
Where's he getting that stream
from? He's, I don't know, we say

1191
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:38,850
he's tapping into some database.
See, because that that's what we

1192
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:43,380
could do that. With alternate
enclosure. We're gonna have to,

1193
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,050
we're one of the biggest
challenges, I think with that

1194
01:13:46,050 --> 01:13:49,440
tag is going to be figuring out
the live component because you

1195
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,230
need a bit the ability to tap
into an ice cast server.

1196
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:56,340
Yes. And and boost and stream
that to during live.

1197
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:56,700
Yeah,

1198
01:13:56,790 --> 01:14:00,270
yeah, that's gonna be that's
gonna be a big, big jump, big

1199
01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:03,870
feature. And I just hope that
we're gonna figure out some of

1200
01:14:03,870 --> 01:14:06,540
these cross community things.
You know, we had a nice chat

1201
01:14:06,540 --> 01:14:11,190
with Brian of London. Oh, yeah,
we did, who explained his

1202
01:14:11,190 --> 01:14:13,350
developer. He showed his
development and showed us what

1203
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:17,670
hive can do. And there's some
very interesting Well, firstly,

1204
01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:21,630
is a lot of knowledge how you
manage assets on the blockchain.

1205
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:27,570
It was very enlightening to me.
Certainly, when it comes to how

1206
01:14:27,570 --> 01:14:31,740
do you get stuff out there that
everybody can tap into and use?

1207
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:35,220
And what are the upsides and the
downsides? One of the downsides

1208
01:14:35,220 --> 01:14:40,320
is it's up there. There's no
delete. You know, stuff like

1209
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,120
that. is very interesting.

1210
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:44,100
Yeah, that's kind of a problem.

1211
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,850
Yeah, well, it's stuff you got
to think about, obviously,

1212
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:57,870
analogous to the history of
podcasting. Around 2008. We were

1213
01:14:57,870 --> 01:15:03,390
the darlings of the tech media.
We had the Oto was going to be

1214
01:15:03,390 --> 01:15:06,390
the the hottest new podcast
platform and then everything

1215
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:10,770
changed. Then Oto became Twitter
and Facebook when opened and

1216
01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:14,490
YouTube was bought. And
podcasting got pushed to the

1217
01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:20,610
bottom of the new stack for
several years. Until the serial,

1218
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,830
right combination of factors of
people being tired of binge

1219
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:30,000
eating and wanting some an audio
in general, brought it all

1220
01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:35,760
screaming back. This entire
project we're doing is so it's

1221
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,250
like the simulation rebooted.
The same type of things are

1222
01:15:41,250 --> 01:15:44,520
taking place the same
synchronicity if you will, like

1223
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,980
click, oh, this is good.
Something else happened. That

1224
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:49,350
person just showed up. Oh, my
God, look what these guys are

1225
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:53,160
doing. The Open Source nature of
it all of that with with much

1226
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,570
better tools. So the timeline
has accelerated, things are

1227
01:15:57,570 --> 01:16:00,420
happening, which would take
several years happens in two

1228
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:05,400
months. And I believe that we're
right now on the cusp of a

1229
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,900
temporary amount of time that
will be that will cloud

1230
01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:17,070
podcasting and subsequently
podcasting 2.0 with NF T's and

1231
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:18,630
clubhouse type things,

1232
01:16:19,170 --> 01:16:21,450
as they need a mini ice a mini

1233
01:16:21,450 --> 01:16:25,980
ice age in the timeline of
podcasting 2.0 which is great,

1234
01:16:26,430 --> 01:16:30,660
because it's not going to last
years. I mean, clubhouse is

1235
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:34,350
imploding faster than even I
thought it would. No idea, oh,

1236
01:16:34,350 --> 01:16:38,250
my God, it's already blowing up.
So that's done. That's over.

1237
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:42,720
We'll have some meet twos there
on deck, obviously, Twitter is

1238
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:48,210
going to do spaces and basically
clubhouse for Twitter,

1239
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:51,420
everyone's going to be running
around. That's what all the

1240
01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:56,220
press will be focused on. Now,
the good news is, this also

1241
01:16:56,220 --> 01:17:00,390
doesn't help Spotify or Apple or
anybody else. But we're the ones

1242
01:17:00,630 --> 01:17:03,810
doing the open innovation and
sliding in under the radar.

1243
01:17:03,930 --> 01:17:08,880
Because we also have this little
magical Bitcoin thing that keeps

1244
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,450
a lot of people focused on what
we're doing. So to me, this is a

1245
01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:16,680
great opportunity to shore stuff
up, get stuff deployed, get it

1246
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,000
out, get into our next phase of
the namespace. Because people

1247
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,690
are going to be looking for shit
when it's done. And it will end

1248
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,810
this, this will end and then
it'll probably be a piece of

1249
01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:30,780
content, who knows what it will
be? Someone's going to show up

1250
01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:34,320
with something and it's going to
incorporate all these pieces and

1251
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:40,200
it's going to blow up. That is
the simulation plays out the way

1252
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,050
it did the first time. And so
far. I think I've mentioned this

1253
01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:48,000
several times to you privately,
like holy crap, man, this is

1254
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,230
just like the first time.

1255
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:50,250
And actually

1256
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,370
yeah, maybe we can do
podcasting. 2.0 you kind of set

1257
01:17:53,370 --> 01:17:54,540
the universe up for it.

1258
01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:58,170
Yeah, and I can see it going
that way. You had the you have

1259
01:17:58,170 --> 01:18:02,820
the mini ice age, and then you
have somebody brings all the

1260
01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:06,570
elements together into a killer
product. Like not prosecuting

1261
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:09,210
that product into a piece of
killer content. Yeah, yeah.

1262
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:14,070
Look, if somebody releases like
an awesome, you know,

1263
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:18,270
documentary that has all the
different, it's got the chapter

1264
01:18:18,270 --> 01:18:22,500
art, it's got the transcripts,
got them, but you can you can

1265
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:25,950
send them money. They take all
and you can flip back and forth

1266
01:18:25,950 --> 01:18:30,330
between audio and video on the
road, automatically. It's an

1267
01:18:30,330 --> 01:18:32,760
app, you know, that can tell
when you're driving, so it sends

1268
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,840
the video off, and flips to
audio only. But like all these

1269
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,170
different pieces come together,
and it's got located it's got

1270
01:18:40,170 --> 01:18:43,080
location. So it's showing you on
an interactive map all the

1271
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,110
different places that whatever
this documentary is talking

1272
01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:46,500
about my

1273
01:18:46,500 --> 01:18:49,140
God, will it massage my scroll
to him as well.

1274
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:59,790
That's your, that comes from an
extra boost. The this I mean,

1275
01:18:59,790 --> 01:19:03,360
like you have that, that piece
of content that happens and then

1276
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:04,410
all of a sudden, it's like,

1277
01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:06,870
it's gonna blow up. Yeah, it's
gonna blow up. It's gonna blow

1278
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:10,800
and we'll be pretty far along, I
think weeks, maybe a couple

1279
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,860
months, but we just have I just
know how media works. I've been

1280
01:19:13,860 --> 01:19:18,630
in all my life. This is what it
is NF T's all the way, which is

1281
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:23,400
really kind of God. It's kind of
funny. Yeah, it's it's like the

1282
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:26,520
opposite of the whole idea of
cryptocurrencies. It's like,

1283
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:29,160
let's get something worse. Let's
get something that you can't

1284
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:34,380
trade. Except. Yeah, you can't
you can't change it in anything

1285
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:37,920
else. It has to be in this in
this realm on this on this

1286
01:19:38,010 --> 01:19:41,070
trading platform. You can't we
can't exchange it for anything.

1287
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,780
It's a Beanie Baby. But yeah,

1288
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,790
exactly. Yes. The Beanie Baby of
kryptos exactly what it is. But

1289
01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:51,090
I thought Bitcoin was Beanie
Babies. No. Nf T's are the

1290
01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:52,320
beanie babies of crypto.

1291
01:19:53,010 --> 01:19:56,160
Do you remember when driving
through town and there would be

1292
01:19:56,610 --> 01:20:00,210
people on the side of the road
on their car park and They would

1293
01:20:00,210 --> 01:20:03,870
have like 300 Beanie Babies. Oh
yeah. And you could go in like

1294
01:20:03,870 --> 01:20:07,800
beanie bomb right off the hood
of somebody's car. That's that's

1295
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:08,460
what this is.

1296
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,420
I tried it was that guys I tried
to buy him when I had my public

1297
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:15,720
company. The guy who had the
original Beanie Babies trading

1298
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,230
thing

1299
01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:17,580
is I don't know.

1300
01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:21,960
And I saw that coming a mile
away and he said Dude, you can't

1301
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:26,520
bring me enough money a couple
things I tried I tried to buy

1302
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:32,040
the CD database. Oh the CD DB
Yeah, yeah, they just sold it

1303
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,070
just sold it like two months
before I got a hold of them.

1304
01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:37,110
Whatever happened to that is it
still functional?

1305
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,160
I you know, it's probably a
godsend because it probably make

1306
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,370
any money for whoever got it. I
don't know. Why not it I think

1307
01:20:44,370 --> 01:20:49,230
it got cheese didn't get bought
up by when amp or something.

1308
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,260
Maybe I remember when lame. Do
you remember when lane or lane

1309
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:57,720
the lame mp3 encoder? Yes. Yeah,

1310
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,520
of course. Lane. Of course. Of
course. Yes.

1311
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,480
So though there was a version of
it called win lane. And it was

1312
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:07,950
always getting DMCA takedown
everywhere because it used the

1313
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:12,870
Fraunhofer and codec and all
that jazz. But when lane had a

1314
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:16,170
CD Ripper, and it was all
automated, so then you would in

1315
01:21:16,170 --> 01:21:19,890
one of the options was you can
put a check mark into when I put

1316
01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:24,060
a CD into rip it, pull all the
information from the CD dB. And

1317
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:28,230
you were just like automatic,
right? And I always kept

1318
01:21:28,230 --> 01:21:31,320
thinking like, this guy's making
any money. Like this doesn't

1319
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,220
make any sense. But you know,
the answer was they weren't.

1320
01:21:36,090 --> 01:21:46,140
So they tried to get bought by
Microsoft. Okay, so yeah, so the

1321
01:21:46,140 --> 01:21:53,010
guys who bought it, who they
sell it to, to a high tech,

1322
01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:55,950
consumer electronics
manufacturer, SC ENT and that

1323
01:21:55,950 --> 01:21:59,970
was in 1998. That's when I tried
to buy them. And it turns out

1324
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:04,500
that Essien all they wanted to
do was turn around, actually,

1325
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:08,670
they want it to do a little
extortion, legal extortion, they

1326
01:22:08,670 --> 01:22:11,640
want to flip it off to and sell
it to Microsoft.

1327
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,920
Oh, okay.

1328
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,820
So that. Yeah, they want to flip
it that didn't work out. Then

1329
01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:22,770
they renamed it grace note, and
this I know, shows up in my car,

1330
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:23,910
it shows up everywhere.

1331
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:27,510
Oh, I didn't realize that it
became great. Yeah,

1332
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:31,170
they rebranded it and became
great. And then Sony in 2008.

1333
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:36,120
Fully acquired grace note. Okay,
I have no and oh, and they

1334
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:42,030
resold it to Nielsen in 2016.
It's a horror scene of sloppy

1335
01:22:42,030 --> 01:22:45,480
fifths. It's not even seconds
anymore. I'm glad I didn't tap

1336
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:46,560
that. Yes.

1337
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,310
Yes, it's the VI D, venereal
diseases CD DVD.

1338
01:22:59,610 --> 01:23:02,490
To thank a few people. For this,
this would be talking about

1339
01:23:02,490 --> 01:23:05,910
value for value, which is
exactly what this show is what

1340
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:12,690
this project is what the podcast
index is. If you get any benefit

1341
01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:16,560
from any value that you drive,
please consider returning that

1342
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,310
it seems to be a real good
karmic experience. And whatever

1343
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:23,730
you decide to support us with,
and we'll take any of the

1344
01:23:23,730 --> 01:23:27,720
trifecta time, talent, treasure,
a lot of people spending time

1345
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,660
and talent, treasure wise,
whatever it is, make it

1346
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,530
meaningful to you. That's what
value is when it's meaningful to

1347
01:23:34,530 --> 01:23:38,850
you. Because it's not about us
necessarily being able to pay

1348
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:42,690
the bills, which we can do.
We're doing okay. It's about the

1349
01:23:42,690 --> 01:23:46,350
feeling you get from it. And by
the way, when I see those

1350
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,420
PayPal, emails coming,

1351
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:50,610
I always feel good. Yeah,

1352
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,120
I always look who's this? Okay.
Yeah. 10 bucks, five bucks. Oh,

1353
01:23:54,210 --> 01:23:58,830
a new recurring. Oh, this is
great. It works. It works. And

1354
01:23:58,830 --> 01:24:03,240
it's part of the foundation. And
it's a great way to, to for

1355
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,680
price discovery for creative
works in a fair and

1356
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,420
decentralized way. And one
thing? Yeah, I was gonna say

1357
01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:17,250
that I just got an email that
voltage is adding bitpay to

1358
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:23,850
their services. So I will set up
a proper Bitcoin and lightning

1359
01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:28,830
QR code etc. experience for us
to integrate into the homepage

1360
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:30,090
of podcast index. org.

1361
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:31,530
I'll be nice.

1362
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,160
Yeah. So it's easier for people
to send us just the other thing

1363
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,380
we use was, I think, still
something that came from Sphinx

1364
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:37,830
chat.

1365
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,130
Oh, yeah. The embed. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So

1366
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,730
which is fine, but I think was
time to upgrade. So what came

1367
01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:46,080
came in as cookbooks?

1368
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,230
Well, we get we'll get a good
group. Our bill this month, our

1369
01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:54,750
hosting bill is higher than
normal. It's usually around 300.

1370
01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:56,670
But asking me 380 this month.

1371
01:24:56,820 --> 01:24:58,710
Oh, what did we do? Well, it's

1372
01:24:58,710 --> 01:25:03,450
from that date. database
migration, we had to. So instead

1373
01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:07,170
of, you know, what I did was I
spun up a new server that's our

1374
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:11,790
biggest VM costliest server. So
I spin up a new server and then

1375
01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:15,240
did in migrated the data from
the old one to the new one. So I

1376
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,320
left it running for a few weeks.
I don't

1377
01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:23,190
I don't see any mention of this
in your TPS report.

1378
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:30,000
You didn't you don't remember.
My rampant bitching about, about

1379
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,740
the stupid database migrate?
Yeah,

1380
01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:33,270
I think I heard some of that.
Yeah.

1381
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:35,340
And that was that was a noise
have

1382
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:36,480
taken days.

1383
01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:40,860
It was one of those things where
it got all the way done and they

1384
01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:44,820
didn't fail. They get all the
way down again, and it failed.

1385
01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:45,210
Again.

1386
01:25:45,269 --> 01:25:48,569
It's like trying to restore your
Microsoft Windows 10 on the

1387
01:25:48,569 --> 01:25:53,939
laptop. From a backup, you know,
it's like it's all the way Oh,

1388
01:25:53,939 --> 01:25:55,409
sorry. To start over.

1389
01:25:55,650 --> 01:26:00,330
Come to find out. restoring a 47
gig database is not a quick

1390
01:26:00,330 --> 01:26:00,870
process.

1391
01:26:01,110 --> 01:26:02,130
It's a lot of data,

1392
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:08,910
a lot of data. But John's
Bernheimer. He is helping us to

1393
01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:11,550
cover that he sent us $41

1394
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:13,170
Wow. Thank you. Yeah,

1395
01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:16,770
he says, I'm a loyal listener
who absolutely loves your work

1396
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,740
and just listening into the
discussions. Distributed work

1397
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:22,380
like this needs to be kept
alive. Please take the remnants

1398
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:24,150
of my paypal account. You
deserve it.

1399
01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:27,480
Yes. Thank you. Perfect. Empty
out the wallet. Love it. Very

1400
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:27,990
much, john.

1401
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,980
Thanks, john. Oh, Dame Jennifer
Buchanan.

1402
01:26:35,460 --> 01:26:40,890
Oh, man, she does so much. She
doesn't have to talk. She's

1403
01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:42,990
doing more than just time and
talent. She's doing the

1404
01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:43,890
treasure. Okay.

1405
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:51,720
$33.33 he says in the morning,
y'all. I'm loving listening to

1406
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:56,160
your progress on pc 2.0 even
though it has zero relevance to

1407
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,610
me right now. I'm not a podcast
or coder or a bit corner. But my

1408
01:26:59,610 --> 01:27:03,210
brain has a tickle from it.
Someday I will figure out why.

1409
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:06,960
Oh, but I will admit I have a
thing for hot namespace talk.

1410
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:11,700
We know why you're here,
Jennifer. We know why you're

1411
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,370
here. You just like the hot
namespace talk.

1412
01:27:15,180 --> 01:27:16,620
Hugs and kisses named Jennifer.
Ah,

1413
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:17,820
thank you, Jennifer. So

1414
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:26,670
let's see here. Okay, I had to
get my oxygen tank for this

1415
01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:31,290
long note. Yes, it is. Is this
from the show business show

1416
01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:31,740
guys.

1417
01:27:37,229 --> 01:27:40,679
Simon aronowitz I hope I'm
saying your name right. I think

1418
01:27:40,679 --> 01:27:46,349
I am. For super cereal
marketing. A they sent us $20

1419
01:27:46,349 --> 01:27:50,069
and he says the note says Hey,
guys note note read coming. It's

1420
01:27:50,069 --> 01:27:55,559
shorter this time. Thank you.
Okay. Yeah. He said in the

1421
01:27:55,559 --> 01:27:57,839
morning, Adam and Dave, I've
tried to make this week's note

1422
01:27:58,109 --> 01:28:00,899
from get super cereal shorter
than last week, you'll be happy

1423
01:28:00,899 --> 01:28:05,039
to know I didn't do a word count
in case I failed. By the time

1424
01:28:05,039 --> 01:28:07,499
you say wait Dave, you have
permission to disclose what I

1425
01:28:07,499 --> 01:28:10,319
write here and double check with
the other party. By the time you

1426
01:28:10,919 --> 01:28:13,289
get to reading out this note.
The second episode of the

1427
01:28:13,289 --> 01:28:15,779
business of the show business
show should be available as a

1428
01:28:15,779 --> 01:28:20,579
podcast and as an online TV
show. All all links can be found

1429
01:28:20,579 --> 01:28:24,269
at www dot show business dot
show. Our guest this week was

1430
01:28:24,269 --> 01:28:27,389
Dave Jackson from the School of
podcasting. And very

1431
01:28:27,389 --> 01:28:31,679
appropriately, we played a clip
from Sunday's no agenda 1325

1432
01:28:32,189 --> 01:28:35,729
Adam the timecode for the
episode is 221 and 17 seconds.

1433
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:40,649
Think of this combination. I
think of this combination. I

1434
01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:43,619
just listened to no agenda and
Adams gripe about road not

1435
01:28:43,619 --> 01:28:47,609
giving him road caster Pro. Then
knowing that we had Dave Jackson

1436
01:28:47,609 --> 01:28:50,369
booked for an interview. I was
reading his book profit from

1437
01:28:50,369 --> 01:28:53,399
your podcast, his research.
Adam, he dedicated the book to

1438
01:28:53,399 --> 01:28:57,839
you and Dave Weiner. Really?
Then I read it. It didn't I read

1439
01:28:57,839 --> 01:29:02,879
in the book that Dave scored a
free road caster pro What? So we

1440
01:29:02,879 --> 01:29:05,969
asked Dave what he did
differently. It's worth a

1441
01:29:05,969 --> 01:29:08,909
listen, the timing was perfect
was perfect again timecode

1442
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:12,060
Well, I didn't I didn't ask for
anything.

1443
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,420
You had somebody asked for it on
your behalf.

1444
01:29:15,450 --> 01:29:20,220
No one someone who's a dealer, a
road dealer, I think in

1445
01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:25,860
Australia is where they are. had
sent a clip of me saying man, I

1446
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:29,910
could you know, I could fix
this. Almost it's almost good.

1447
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:33,930
And he sent it to the marketing
department and got a Yeah, we're

1448
01:29:33,930 --> 01:29:36,480
not gonna pursue this. We're
doing other things now.

1449
01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:38,010
It's like yeah, they gave you
the middle finger

1450
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:38,970
pretty much.

1451
01:29:40,770 --> 01:29:44,400
If any podcast 2.0 podcasting
2.0 listeners want to know about

1452
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,910
profiting from their podcast.
This second episode is the show

1453
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:50,040
business show with Dave
Jackson's another great episode

1454
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,500
to understand what's going on
right now and where things are

1455
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:56,880
headed. Dave said somewhat
tongue in cheek that if you want

1456
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:01,170
to make money in podcasting, go
into editing To wrap this

1457
01:30:01,170 --> 01:30:05,490
shorter note up. Number one
podcast production is hell.

1458
01:30:05,730 --> 01:30:08,700
That's why I said that this
episode should be available by

1459
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:13,170
the time you read this. It's not
held for this podcast. There is

1460
01:30:13,170 --> 01:30:15,360
no post production for this
podcast, right?

1461
01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:16,530
We go live baby.

1462
01:30:16,859 --> 01:30:20,519
Yeah. Number two, Adam, we have
some thoughts about streaming

1463
01:30:20,519 --> 01:30:23,699
value for value value, both with
regard to one show we're

1464
01:30:23,699 --> 01:30:25,889
producing for a client and also
more widely for the whole

1465
01:30:25,889 --> 01:30:29,339
ecosystem. So we want to have
you as a guest on an upcoming

1466
01:30:29,339 --> 01:30:32,429
episode of show business show.
Yes, we are video first and I

1467
01:30:32,429 --> 01:30:35,339
know you don't like that. But
get this. Billy. My business

1468
01:30:35,339 --> 01:30:38,039
partner also has Tourette's
knows.

1469
01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:44,550
Dude, we can tick off each
other. It'd be hilarious.

1470
01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:50,940
it cracks me up the desk the
end. Dude,

1471
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,610
we got one of us has two rats
join us.

1472
01:30:54,780 --> 01:30:57,300
We got one of you people too.
Yeah, you're

1473
01:30:57,299 --> 01:31:00,869
one of us. Your family. That's
brazen

1474
01:31:00,870 --> 01:31:01,680
man. I like it.

1475
01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:08,670
I appreciate that. Bold, very
bold. Billy, my business partner

1476
01:31:08,670 --> 01:31:12,180
also has Tourette's and knows
that if you know what to look

1477
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:17,490
for, you can notice his takes on
camera, Dave. Check with Billy

1478
01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:19,320
and he gave me full permission
to share this.

1479
01:31:19,649 --> 01:31:22,949
Okay, that's hilarious. Yeah,
that's all here's the problem.

1480
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:25,439
Are they 2.0 certified?

1481
01:31:26,729 --> 01:31:27,989
And they have

1482
01:31:30,330 --> 01:31:31,830
somebody they need to be
audited?

1483
01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:36,360
Well, I'm trying to find maybe
it's all one word show business.

1484
01:31:36,780 --> 01:31:43,230
It's show business show. You
know, I had trouble finding an

1485
01:31:43,230 --> 01:31:46,500
index too. And I ended up having
to combine two words together. I

1486
01:31:46,500 --> 01:31:46,950
think

1487
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,780
types show business

1488
01:31:49,620 --> 01:31:50,670
as one word.

1489
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:58,170
No, I do show business as one
word and I get two results. mici

1490
01:31:58,170 --> 01:32:02,190
Bach and man who Stein? Does
their podcasts on own meet me

1491
01:32:02,190 --> 01:32:02,820
Chibok?

1492
01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:06,090
some reason I'm thinking that's
not that's not the one.

1493
01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:07,830
So that's weird.

1494
01:32:08,430 --> 01:32:11,010
Well, I found them the other
day, but it did. I did have to

1495
01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:14,430
search a couple times and see
show business with a very

1496
01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:17,010
reasonable cost.

1497
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,070
Sorry about that. That's my pod
friend. No, no.

1498
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,630
No, that is she means business
the show that's not that easy.

1499
01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:24,810
If I

1500
01:32:24,810 --> 01:32:29,700
do show space business, I get
nothing. No results. Right.

1501
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,070
Yeah, we get to figure this out.

1502
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:32,910
What's his name?

1503
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:40,320
Simon Simon around with and it's
show business show? is super

1504
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,850
serial marketing is the

1505
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:44,400
EU maybe a super cereal

1506
01:32:45,689 --> 01:32:46,349
basin?

1507
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:51,030
Well, this is not what kind of
index you running Dave Jones.

1508
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:52,410
That's a piece of crap.

1509
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:56,220
We got to figure out what's
going on with that.

1510
01:32:57,450 --> 01:32:58,590
So my file a bug report.

1511
01:32:59,729 --> 01:33:02,819
Well, so to answer his question,
of course, I'm flattered. I'd

1512
01:33:02,819 --> 01:33:05,279
love to be on your show. I think
a Tourette's off would be

1513
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:11,039
hilarious to tick off. That
said, you do have to wait

1514
01:33:11,069 --> 01:33:16,259
because I've promised many other
people mainly grime, Erica. But

1515
01:33:16,259 --> 01:33:20,159
also i'm going to do I'd like to
max and Stacy again when we're

1516
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:26,639
ready to launch some stuff. So
I'm sure in the future

1517
01:33:26,789 --> 01:33:29,999
definitely. Got a lot of
requests.

1518
01:33:30,569 --> 01:33:33,269
And and we understand where
you're coming from. We'd love to

1519
01:33:33,269 --> 01:33:36,029
have you as a guest we'll see if
we'd love to have you have the

1520
01:33:36,029 --> 01:33:39,809
guests video thing didn't put
you off. When you did Rogen and

1521
01:33:39,809 --> 01:33:42,809
two we can work around it if you
have to three A big thank you to

1522
01:33:42,809 --> 01:33:46,379
listeners of podcasting 2.0 who
listened to our first episode,

1523
01:33:46,379 --> 01:33:49,439
we were pleasantly surprised by
the stats. Oh, have a great

1524
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,369
weekend. Everyone from the guys
at WWW dot show business show.

1525
01:33:53,519 --> 01:33:57,449
Simon there aronowitz and Billy
fansler Thanks, guys. Nice.

1526
01:33:57,450 --> 01:33:59,700
Thank you so much, gentlemen.
Thanks very cool.

1527
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:02,460
See

1528
01:34:02,700 --> 01:34:05,370
this show business show? How
about that? Will that work?

1529
01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:06,990
Did that work? I don't know.

1530
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:10,200
I'm just looking at their
website right now.

1531
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:12,840
The show business shit

1532
01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:20,310
I'm still not finding they have
maybe the doing hyphens. I found

1533
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:23,520
it I swear I found it the other
day. Yeah, but this can't be

1534
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:28,440
this hard. The dash show.
business. I want to see it.

1535
01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:37,350
The business show. No. show
business. Remember that no

1536
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:39,630
matter no matter how I combined
this No, I

1537
01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:42,690
can't get it either. I will
absolutely do that one out.

1538
01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:46,230
It's too many. There's too many
generic words. There's there's

1539
01:34:46,230 --> 01:34:54,540
nothing there. Okay. This is a
$10 donation from Sterling

1540
01:34:54,540 --> 01:34:58,260
Ellsworth. And Sterling just
says his home messages.

1541
01:34:58,500 --> 01:35:00,510
Everything Adam does is super
Awesome.

1542
01:35:02,490 --> 01:35:05,400
And how much did I pay him to do
that? No.

1543
01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:11,160
It's a wash. That's it. Oh,
that's great.

1544
01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:16,800
Well, good group and we'd really
appreciate it. value for value.

1545
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,460
It's definitely the way forward
price discovery of creative

1546
01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:25,380
stuff. Everything creative code
is creative. extremely creative.

1547
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:31,500
podcasting is creative. It's all
creative. And it's hard to show

1548
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:36,210
hard costs. So yeah, you know,
Waldo you just did 380 a month.

1549
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:40,890
Well, that's still very, very
reasonable.

1550
01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:46,740
Yeah, our our expenses are
basically the hosting costs,

1551
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:53,850
which are roughly 300 to 350 a
month. The cost of our email

1552
01:35:53,850 --> 01:36:00,750
accounts, which is about $5 a
month. What else do we have?

1553
01:36:01,530 --> 01:36:04,080
Well, we we've been doing some
legal stuff.

1554
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,810
Oh, you have to get it to get
Terms of Service and all that.

1555
01:36:06,810 --> 01:36:09,210
Yes. So don't go to jail. Yeah.

1556
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:12,929
Or at least Eric doesn't go to
jail. You and I were clear, man.

1557
01:36:12,929 --> 01:36:14,369
We're not going to jail. We're
sending IRA

1558
01:36:16,979 --> 01:36:19,739
Rossi to jail.

1559
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:20,790
We had nothing to do with it.

1560
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:23,100
He would hold up better there
anyway.

1561
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,920
Yes. Which is sensitive.

1562
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:30,720
Oh, my goodness. That's, that's
pretty. That's pretty much it. I

1563
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,590
think. And oh, no, I'm sorry.
We've got got her CloudFlare

1564
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:38,700
that's 20 bucks a month. And
they were running. been running

1565
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:40,590
somewhere south of 400 a month

1566
01:36:40,649 --> 01:36:43,829
easily. So good, man. That's
unbelievably cool. Hey, now you

1567
01:36:43,829 --> 01:36:48,119
also have the the whole database
dump on ipfs?

1568
01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:50,880
Oh, yeah, forget, I can't blame
forgets all about that. That was

1569
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:56,220
fun. That was a fun project. So
it's in that it is really good

1570
01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:58,650
that we have lots of bandwidth
headroom, because that's gonna

1571
01:36:58,650 --> 01:37:02,700
chew up some bandwidth clearly.
But we have. So what it's doing

1572
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:05,730
every night at midnight is it
takes a dump of the database.

1573
01:37:06,780 --> 01:37:10,950
And all the it's just the feeds
table. So all the feeds get

1574
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:17,580
dumped into into a temporary
file. And then they get imported

1575
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,020
as a CSV. And then they get
imported into a sequel lite

1576
01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:29,250
database. And this nasty, yeah.
And then with a schema with the

1577
01:37:29,250 --> 01:37:32,160
table schema, and all that stuff
gets imported into a sequel lite

1578
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:38,130
database. And then, and then it
gets tarred and jesup. And then

1579
01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:43,740
published to ipfs. And then our
excuse me, added to ipfs. And

1580
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:50,010
then published under an IP ns, a
static new slate. Yeah. So it's

1581
01:37:50,010 --> 01:37:52,200
all it's all IP, ns ipfs?

1582
01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:55,260
Are people getting this through?
ipfs? Or just through our

1583
01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:55,890
gateway?

1584
01:37:56,729 --> 01:37:59,339
Everybody seems to be getting it
through ipfs because that's the

1585
01:37:59,339 --> 01:38:02,519
only way it's available. I mean,
there's no HTTP downloaded this

1586
01:38:02,519 --> 01:38:06,569
thing. Alright. We're not
providing a gateway. Now we're

1587
01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:08,369
using CloudFlare. ipfs.

1588
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,650
Okay, excellent. Excellent. Wow.
What is that costing us?

1589
01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:15,270
Nothing?

1590
01:38:15,689 --> 01:38:19,109
Well, I mean, it costs us a
little bit $5 for a server.

1591
01:38:19,169 --> 01:38:19,409
Yeah.

1592
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:23,610
$5 a month for a server? This is
so the future?

1593
01:38:24,899 --> 01:38:31,859
Yeah, I think so. ipfs is such
an exciting idea to me. It is to

1594
01:38:31,859 --> 01:38:35,609
me to the only thing is it just
needs better DNS integration.

1595
01:38:36,569 --> 01:38:39,239
You know, there needs to be
friendlier names for these

1596
01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:43,619
things. You know, a slash ad, he
just can't tell somebody, well

1597
01:38:43,619 --> 01:38:46,649
go get it go to slash ipfs slash
bla bla bla bla bla

1598
01:38:46,649 --> 01:38:49,649
bla bla bla, but for under the
hood stuff, just for an

1599
01:38:49,649 --> 01:38:53,219
alternative enclosure? ipfs.
Click, suck it down.

1600
01:38:54,210 --> 01:38:57,600
Oh, yeah, totally. That's an
issue. The other the, you know,

1601
01:38:57,630 --> 01:38:59,970
because this is part of the
master plan here. Because the

1602
01:38:59,970 --> 01:39:06,360
master plan is, at least in my
mind, is put the all this like

1603
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:09,960
this database. Now that we have
the IP net, the IP ns addresses

1604
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,890
the folder. Yeah. So it's a
static address by folder. So

1605
01:39:13,890 --> 01:39:16,830
then now we have basically a
static IP address mapping to

1606
01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:21,360
this folder. So what I plan to
do is break the database up into

1607
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:27,330
small chunks, so that there's
like, maybe every 10,000 fields

1608
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:32,160
is it separate as a separate
chunk, oh, handy. And then what

1609
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,060
we can do is start working on
the distributed polling client,

1610
01:39:37,170 --> 01:39:39,330
to babbit come from all
different places

1611
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:43,620
to have every so that anybody
who wants to run a polling agent

1612
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:47,280
can can download it can download
the agent onto a server or the

1613
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,580
desktop or whatever, in the
background. It will go out grab

1614
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:55,050
a chunk of the database, bring
it down and begin to slowly pull

1615
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,800
the feeds in their chunk and
then let us know if an update

1616
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:04,830
has happened to that feed. Yeah,
distributed aggregation. So

1617
01:40:05,099 --> 01:40:08,309
yeah, that's I thought hot
namespace talk was everything

1618
01:40:08,309 --> 01:40:10,559
but when you get the sexy sequel
light baby

1619
01:40:11,729 --> 01:40:17,999
distributed aggregation data hit
the sexy boost or whatever that

1620
01:40:17,999 --> 01:40:18,269
is.

1621
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:19,920
I don't have a 60 boost

1622
01:40:21,899 --> 01:40:26,069
that Yeah, no, that's, that's,
um, I'm happy with that I think

1623
01:40:26,069 --> 01:40:29,549
this is the this is the first
very exciting journey.

1624
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:34,620
So just from a general focus, my
takeaway from this board

1625
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:38,550
meeting, since we're very bad at
doing minutes, more

1626
01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:40,470
or less doing minutes

1627
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:46,740
we have a period of several
weeks, maybe a couple months,

1628
01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:49,410
where we're gonna have a lot of
noise about other stuff in the

1629
01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:55,140
marketplace. You know, the I
already see especially NF T's in

1630
01:40:55,560 --> 01:41:00,270
in clubhouse type stuff, I'd
love to get a couple more

1631
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:06,090
implementations of lightning and
really get as much integration

1632
01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:09,390
with phase one and phase two of
the namespace. So we have that

1633
01:41:09,390 --> 01:41:12,540
solid, you know, and then when
people are ready, we're already

1634
01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:18,810
on to onto three and G In the
meantime, audiobooks, all this

1635
01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:23,460
type of stuff and then I think
once this is kind of up and

1636
01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:28,710
running and we have podcasters
can point their listeners to

1637
01:41:28,710 --> 01:41:36,120
apps that are intuitive and
understandable or they can say

1638
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,850
to their app developer hey,
these guys have it can you

1639
01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:42,630
integrate it and which is where
hopefully airline pay comes in

1640
01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:48,690
as a solution then we go from
there we go you know full in my

1641
01:41:48,690 --> 01:41:54,270
mind force Full speed ahead to
alternate enclosure with ipfs

1642
01:41:54,630 --> 01:41:55,680
high on the agenda.

1643
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:01,020
Go Yeah, no, I think that's that
I approve these minutes.

1644
01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:05,910
I second them. Alright, that's
it. All right, everybody where

1645
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:07,170
we haven't been to drinks.

1646
01:42:10,050 --> 01:42:10,740
box lunches.

1647
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,059
Hey, man, it's so good to catch
up with you. I love it. I love

1648
01:42:15,059 --> 01:42:17,399
having guests on the show. But
it's also nice for you me just

1649
01:42:17,399 --> 01:42:21,059
catch up. And so just so people
know. This is literally our

1650
01:42:21,059 --> 01:42:24,689
ketchup. I don't do we talk any
differently when we're just

1651
01:42:24,689 --> 01:42:26,039
talking privately on the phone?

1652
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:29,520
Didn't notice exactly like this
phone call? Yeah,

1653
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:32,640
yeah, we did that. We just air
our grievances about other

1654
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,800
people. We just don't do that
here. yet.

1655
01:42:37,410 --> 01:42:42,060
The the pot friend mug. I just
want to say that that thing is

1656
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:45,210
perfect size to fit one entire
can of beer.

1657
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:52,080
That's not what they drink up
in. Martin's neck of the woods.

1658
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,710
They drink something it looks
like urine. But he says it's

1659
01:42:55,710 --> 01:43:00,600
lemonade. You saw it? You saw
what was that glass? I like is

1660
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,700
that beer? What are you
drinking? Man?

1661
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:05,460
I don't know what the name of
that what that name was. It's

1662
01:43:05,460 --> 01:43:06,750
like coffee or something like

1663
01:43:08,910 --> 01:43:12,240
that with brown cheese. Which by
the way that brown cheese is

1664
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,570
dynamite. I think it's best if
that's from maybe from Finland.

1665
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:19,560
Around cheese. Probably a big
mistake to confuse those

1666
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:20,640
countries with stuff.

1667
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,040
Yeah. Oh yeah. Your your dish
now?

1668
01:43:23,099 --> 01:43:30,029
Yeah. Oh, well. defragment
Alright, Dave, have a great

1669
01:43:30,029 --> 01:43:35,549
weekend and dude. Next week we
go full bore into whatever comes

1670
01:43:35,549 --> 01:43:41,759
our way. Yeah, it's a new week.
Look forward to seeing you back

1671
01:43:41,759 --> 01:43:44,999
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