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Podcasting 2.0 for September 5th, 2025, episode

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233, Daniel J.

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Lewis in a can.

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Happy Friday, everybody.

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It is time once again for Podcasting 2

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.0. This is the place where we let

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you know what's really going on in podcasting.

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Why?

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Because we're all creating it.

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That's why it's real simple.

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This is the board meeting and we are

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the only board room that hasn't had a

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meeting on Epstein Island.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who can debug a gap in party

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time performance in his sleep.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Dan Jones.

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The levels are weird.

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They're weird?

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Yeah, I'm really low.

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I'm really loud and you're really low.

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You gotta figure out what I'm doing wrong.

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Maybe I have low T.

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There's shots.

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You can do shots for that like once

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a week.

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I mentioned that on no agenda.

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I got a lot of people like, no,

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no, don't ever do that.

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Don't ever do TRT replacement.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Apparently it'll kill you.

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Everything will kill you eventually.

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Eventually.

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If you have a doctor that knows what

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you're doing, what they're doing, it's not a

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big deal.

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I don't know.

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Do you get T shots?

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No.

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Would you like to get T shots?

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I'm a young buck.

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I'm only 49.

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I don't need the T shots yet.

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Yeah, rub it in.

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I turned 61 this week.

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Happy birthday, brother.

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Thank you.

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It feels odd.

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60 and then when you turn 60, like,

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oh, he's 60.

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Now I'm in my 60s.

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I'm in my 60s.

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That's a good point.

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Yeah, you're now in your 60th decade.

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Yeah, that's a big deal.

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Yeah, it's not feeling good.

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We're coming up on 5-0, so it's

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psychological.

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What are you going to do?

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It's the psychological mountain you have to cross

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each time.

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When is your birthday, Dave?

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Why do I think it's, when is your

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birthday?

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You don't know my birthday.

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I'm not official.

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July the 13th.

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Did I miss it this week, this year?

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Probably.

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Did I congratulate you at all?

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I don't think so.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm not a birthday guy.

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Well, you are now, Dave Jones.

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I'm putting it in the calendar.

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In the calendar.

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In the calendar.

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I'm not really a birth, like, I just

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never think about birthdays.

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They come and go.

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It's just not, it's not on my radar

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screen.

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I like celebrating other people's birthdays, but.

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I don't know.

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For me, it's just like a, like a

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no, like a non-event.

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I'm like, well, I forgot it was my

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birthday this year.

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I woke up, you know.

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Yeah, I woke up and I'm like, why

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do I have 27 messages?

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What's going on?

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And all of Europe, of course, you know,

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seven, seven hours ahead.

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Like, hey, and then you spent, and I

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love it, of course.

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But I had to spend about an hour

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and a half in aggregate, just replying to

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everybody.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, brother.

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Thanks, Jim Bob.

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Thanks, Sally.

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Adam.

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Adam.

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Adam.

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Happy birthday, Adam.

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Yeah.

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And then this, you know, I had to,

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I think I told you that I, that

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I left.

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Well, I didn't leave Graphene OS.

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I had still have my Graphene OS Pixel

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6, which is sitting here.

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It's on the charger.

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Graphene OS was ripped from your, from your

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grasp by Google.

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Pretty much.

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So I, did I tell you about this,

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that I got a Galaxy 7Z Flip?

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Is this the fold thing?

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Yeah, not fold, it's the flip.

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So it, it's, the screen folds, but not

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like in portrait, you know, just it becomes

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a really small square phone, basically.

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I've got, I'm sorry.

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I've got to get this level thing fixed.

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What is wrong with my level?

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Are you listening?

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If you have a pre-fader thing, you

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got a pre-listen selected or what?

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So what are you hearing?

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You're hearing, I'm really loud and you're really

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low.

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Uh, I am super loud in my own

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headphones and you're, and you're low, lower than

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you normally are.

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Let me see.

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What is the deal?

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Am I outputting the same?

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Cause see, I like it exactly the opposite.

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I like you to be jacked and me

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to be low.

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I mean, I can give you a little

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more.

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One, two, one, two.

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How does that?

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Oh, that's beautiful.

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I can give you that.

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Oh, so nice.

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No, no, no.

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You're getting, no, not too much.

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Is that where you want me?

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You want me right there?

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How's that feel?

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Does it feel good?

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Come on, tell me.

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Does it feel good?

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No more, no more, no more.

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No more.

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You sure?

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Come on.

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No one will know.

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It's just you and me.

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No, no, no.

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I can't handle it.

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No, it's not terrible to have to thank

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people.

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Cotton gin douche.

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Yeah.

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Right away.

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People, people get a chat room and in

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the boardroom that you shall not speak unless

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the speaking stick has been given to you.

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The fold.

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What is your verdict on a foldable phone?

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Because I've been, I'm on an iPhone 13

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mini and I like, so my deal is

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with, I cannot tolerate giant phones and all

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phones are now giant size.

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That's true.

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They are.

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And heavy.

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The new iPhones are heavy.

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So if you don't mind when you're scrolling

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that you feel a little bump in the

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middle of your screen, which doesn't bother me.

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It's actually kind of therapeutic.

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Do you rub the bump?

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Do you find yourself fingering the bump?

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I finger the bump all the time.

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Okay.

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How old are we?

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How old are we?

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49 or 61.

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Yes.

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I like that a lot.

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I like the fold.

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You know, you can put it in your

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pocket.

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You don't feel like you're sitting on anything

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in your back pocket.

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So, um, it, all of that's it.

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And I'm quite impressed with Gemini, although I

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didn't enable it and it just pops up

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everywhere.

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You know, this is the problem with, with

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a Google phone.

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Cause they, they sneak it in everywhere.

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And then all of a sudden it says,

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Hey, just so you know, I've turned off

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all these apps because you hadn't used them.

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Well, yeah, just because I don't look at

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the shark robot vacuum cleaner app every day,

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doesn't mean that I don't want it alerting

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me if there's a problem.

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And then you can't just turn that function

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off.

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You have to go in and turn it

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off for that app specifically.

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Then all of a sudden it starts to

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give me a happy birthday, uh, compilage of

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my photos.

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Didn't ask it to do that.

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It's doing it on my phone.

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And then, and then I was like, Oh,

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look, I look at this dynamic duo.

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And it's all the pictures of me and

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Tina with like a video with the, with

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music.

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I didn't ask it to do that.

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I don't like that.

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I don't like that.

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You identified me and scanned.

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Cause I'm not connected to any, uh, any

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cloud service for my photos.

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Graphene OS.

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This is, this is a shock.

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It's a real, and, and Samsung wallet.

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No, I don't know how to get rid

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of this thing.

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He's like, there's a certain move you make.

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You swipe something.

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It's like, Hey, you want to use a

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Samsung wallet?

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No, I don't go away.

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It's like phone.

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It's like phone herpes.

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It just spreads, gets all up in there.

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It never goes away.

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It'll come back at horrible moments.

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It does.

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Now there's a lot of good things about

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it, uh, but it definitely wants to keep

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you occupied.

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So, you know, I'm, I'm turning off things

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that I find, like, how did that get

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there?

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Turn that off.

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Okay.

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Go away.

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That, that, and I needed an Android phone

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for testing, you know, Godcaster stuff.

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A couple of, you know, about a year

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ago.

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And then I bought just like a cheap,

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I don't even know what this thing is.

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Like a, is it a razor?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Motorola, Motorola razor.

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Yeah.

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It's like some kind of Motorola phone.

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I did get, um, cause I have Android

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auto in my car, but not wireless.

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So I got this janky wire, you know,

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like this janky wire running from, uh, from

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the middle console.

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And so I got one of those wireless

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dongle adapters.

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That works pretty good.

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Yeah, it does.

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And so now you get into the car

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and this is, this is my favorite experience

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is, you know, you start the car, you

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start driving out of the garage and then

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it starts playing.

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Hello, Fred, right from the Godcaster just knows

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for some reason, like play this.

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And that's kind of a cool experience or

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whatever I was playing last on the Godcaster,

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I guess.

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Well, the issue I have with it is

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like, I resisted signing up and like signing

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into Google and all this stuff for like

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a couple of weeks.

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And then at some point I had to

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send you or Gordon like a video screen

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grab of something that was happening or something.

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You're toast.

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You're connected.

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I mean, the whole thing is just, I

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mean, you're, you get sucked into the event

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horizon of Google and you'll never get out.

319
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Yeah, exactly.

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You're toast.

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To me, it's better than the Apple thing

322
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though, because people who are on Apple, they

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look at my phone like, wow, I really

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want this.

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I'm like, you can't do it, can you?

326
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Like, no, I can't leave the Apple ecosystem.

327
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No, you're baked in.

328
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They're told you're baked in.

329
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And I think with Google, you can at

330
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least try to leave.

331
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I mean, I don't know.

332
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I hate it.

333
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I really hate it all.

334
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iMessage is the thing that will just lock

335
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you in.

336
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You can't get out of it.

337
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Well, I kind of, so the whole reason

338
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I got this phone is because RCS just

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doesn't work very well on Graphene OS.

340
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Oh yeah.

341
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I mean, and for good reason, because there's

342
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all kinds of spying going on and, you

343
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know, it's all kinds of stuff you don't

344
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really want.

345
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But as I was, you know, I'm back

346
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in business mode.

347
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So, you know, I'm texting pastors at 6am,

348
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which by the way, is the only time

349
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you can get an answer from a pastor.

350
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Oh, you got to hit them right during

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their prayer time.

352
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Like, hey, pastor, good morning to you, brother.

353
00:10:03,230 --> 00:10:05,210
Because they're annoyed enough to respond to you.

354
00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:06,590
Something like that.

355
00:10:06,590 --> 00:10:09,070
And so, you know, my texts weren't arriving.

356
00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:10,290
They were going to spam.

357
00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:12,190
So I kind of like being the green

358
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bubble guy.

359
00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:14,870
I like that a lot, you know, because,

360
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you know, you stand out like, oh, look

361
00:10:16,770 --> 00:10:17,290
at that guy.

362
00:10:17,330 --> 00:10:18,270
He's got a green bubble.

363
00:10:18,330 --> 00:10:20,050
Must be an Android user.

364
00:10:20,810 --> 00:10:22,610
But at least, at least everything arrives.

365
00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:26,230
And the interoperability is pretty astounding.

366
00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:28,970
I mean, you can see people typing, spying,

367
00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:29,650
spyware.

368
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You can see people typing.

369
00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:34,530
You can see, you know, you can heart

370
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a message.

371
00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:38,070
Instead of just sending a heart, you can

372
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tap on a message and heart it.

373
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You know, you can do all that groovy

374
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stuff.

375
00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:44,170
But I'm sad about it.

376
00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:45,690
I'm, to be honest, I'm pretty sad.

377
00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:46,310
Pretty sad.

378
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Are we doing, are we doing SEO right

379
00:10:48,130 --> 00:10:48,310
now?

380
00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:49,170
Podcast SEO?

381
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Talking about phones?

382
00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:53,130
Like, isn't that the way you, it's like,

383
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do you remember back in the day with

384
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blogs?

385
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There was, was it rule four?

386
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I have no idea what you're talking about.

387
00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:04,470
There's this, there was this dude.

388
00:11:05,290 --> 00:11:07,010
Man, what was that guy's name?

389
00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:09,590
There was this dude that was like a

390
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famous blogger.

391
00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:13,550
And he had these rules of, of blog

392
00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:14,050
SEO.

393
00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:18,130
And like rule number four became this thing.

394
00:11:18,790 --> 00:11:20,110
I think it was rule four or rule

395
00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:20,490
five.

396
00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:24,010
Across, like everybody started using this.

397
00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:27,270
And it was like, hot chicks bring traffic.

398
00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:30,730
And so everybody would post like rule four

399
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Friday or something like that.

400
00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:33,110
And they would just post hot chicks on

401
00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:33,490
Friday.

402
00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:36,210
If you just want, if you want more

403
00:11:36,210 --> 00:11:38,330
podcast SEO, you just have to talk about

404
00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:38,990
your cell phone.

405
00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:40,750
Oh, that does it.

406
00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:41,250
Oh, okay.

407
00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:41,730
Yes.

408
00:11:41,730 --> 00:11:43,490
The red meat of podcast SEO.

409
00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:44,770
Just talk about your cell phone.

410
00:11:44,950 --> 00:11:47,130
Well, anyway, impressive.

411
00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:50,390
I think I was reading that, that Samsung

412
00:11:50,390 --> 00:11:53,210
is starting to surpass Apple in sales.

413
00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:55,110
Even in the U S they're catching up

414
00:11:55,110 --> 00:11:57,150
because of the folding and flip phones.

415
00:11:57,150 --> 00:12:00,430
And all that people like that is, is

416
00:12:00,430 --> 00:12:02,650
the, is the fold thing.

417
00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:08,650
Um, is that, is it really, does that

418
00:12:08,650 --> 00:12:10,010
make it really thick?

419
00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:12,950
No, the phone is very thin by itself.

420
00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:15,290
So, and I don't have the case on

421
00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:16,790
it because why bother?

422
00:12:18,430 --> 00:12:20,770
And so I'd say when it's folded, it's

423
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about as thick as an iPhone with a

424
00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:22,750
case.

425
00:12:23,690 --> 00:12:25,870
No, it's not bad, but it's just, it's

426
00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:26,610
just a square.

427
00:12:27,490 --> 00:12:29,010
That's a, that part.

428
00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:31,030
I just cannot tolerate these giant phones.

429
00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:33,630
Like the, just the standard iPhone, the normal

430
00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:35,350
one that not the max or anything.

431
00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:36,850
They're just, it's just huge.

432
00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:37,530
Yeah.

433
00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:39,430
I can't, once you get used to like

434
00:12:39,430 --> 00:12:41,290
the smaller phone of like the mini or

435
00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:41,890
something else.

436
00:12:42,490 --> 00:12:44,370
And like you had that cat thing.

437
00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:45,410
Oh yeah.

438
00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:46,670
You just can't go to a big phone.

439
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:47,250
It's huge.

440
00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:48,070
Yeah, exactly.

441
00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:49,650
But it's just, you know, anyway.

442
00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:51,710
You wear shorts in the summer and you

443
00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:53,470
felt like it's pulling your shorts off because

444
00:12:53,470 --> 00:12:54,130
it's so heavy.

445
00:12:54,930 --> 00:12:56,930
A, I don't wear shorts ever.

446
00:12:57,150 --> 00:12:59,750
Except blue jeans and boots, baby.

447
00:12:59,850 --> 00:13:00,810
110 degrees.

448
00:13:01,010 --> 00:13:01,790
I'm good to go.

449
00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:02,710
I'm from Texas.

450
00:13:03,250 --> 00:13:05,090
Going to sweat running down both legs.

451
00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:08,850
So, you know, just a couple of podcasts

452
00:13:08,850 --> 00:13:09,750
related things.

453
00:13:10,590 --> 00:13:13,690
Um, it's, I don't know how, I haven't

454
00:13:13,690 --> 00:13:16,770
checked recently how much, how many, how many

455
00:13:16,770 --> 00:13:20,250
places the value tag is popping up, uh,

456
00:13:20,250 --> 00:13:22,070
which is the, you know, is now legal

457
00:13:22,070 --> 00:13:25,150
according to the law and the app store

458
00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:27,730
rules and all the, you know, you can

459
00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:29,370
have a value tag now in your feed

460
00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:31,090
and apps can surface it.

461
00:13:31,270 --> 00:13:36,330
Did you see the proposed categories of, um,

462
00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:42,610
of, of vocations that will qualify for the

463
00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:47,090
$25,000 exemption, uh, of tax on tips?

464
00:13:48,010 --> 00:13:48,530
No.

465
00:13:49,330 --> 00:13:49,850
Well.

466
00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:51,110
Was podcasters one of them?

467
00:13:51,810 --> 00:13:53,470
Let me, uh, let me read it for

468
00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:53,570
you.

469
00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:56,110
So here we have, so, so this is

470
00:13:56,110 --> 00:13:57,410
a proposal.

471
00:13:57,410 --> 00:13:58,950
So I, I'm not quite sure.

472
00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:00,190
I think, I don't know if there's going

473
00:14:00,190 --> 00:14:03,870
to be some kind of IRS proposed regulation.

474
00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:04,610
I think so.

475
00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:04,990
Yes.

476
00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:07,270
This is from the, uh, from the treasury

477
00:14:07,270 --> 00:14:12,070
department occupations and customarily and regularly received tips

478
00:14:12,070 --> 00:14:15,310
on or before December 31st, 2024.

479
00:14:15,310 --> 00:14:18,250
So it lists all of these occupations, right?

480
00:14:18,250 --> 00:14:22,130
Like bartenders, waitstaff, food servers, or makes all

481
00:14:22,130 --> 00:14:22,530
sense.

482
00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:25,210
Chefs and cooks, dishwashers.

483
00:14:25,330 --> 00:14:26,830
Have you tipped your dishwasher lately?

484
00:14:26,890 --> 00:14:27,490
Cause you should.

485
00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:28,870
Not regularly.

486
00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:31,030
Bakers, gambling dealers.

487
00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:32,150
That's a big one.

488
00:14:32,950 --> 00:14:33,550
Dancers.

489
00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:35,470
Hey baby.

490
00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:39,750
All of a sudden strip club becomes affordable.

491
00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:42,430
Can you write me a receipt for that?

492
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:44,870
I need this to be deductible.

493
00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:47,750
So disc jockeys, except for radio.

494
00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:49,450
If you're in radio, you're screwed.

495
00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:51,770
So if you play pre-recorded music for

496
00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:54,210
live audiences at venues or events, such as

497
00:14:54,210 --> 00:14:57,070
clubs, parties, or wedding receptions, and you can

498
00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:59,810
even use techniques such as mixing, cutting, or

499
00:14:59,810 --> 00:15:02,650
sampling to manipulate recordings, you qualify.

500
00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:03,830
Okay.

501
00:15:04,810 --> 00:15:06,090
And here it is.

502
00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:06,930
Number 209.

503
00:15:07,270 --> 00:15:07,790
Creators.

504
00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:09,410
Digital content creators.

505
00:15:09,770 --> 00:15:11,350
And you know, I despise the word.

506
00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:12,650
So let's look at the definition.

507
00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:16,590
People who produce and publish on digital platforms,

508
00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:20,870
original entertainment or personality driven content, such as

509
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:24,590
live streams, short form videos, or podcasts.

510
00:15:25,690 --> 00:15:28,250
Hey, if we actually made any money from

511
00:15:28,250 --> 00:15:30,650
this show, we'd be in good shape, but

512
00:15:30,650 --> 00:15:31,030
we don't.

513
00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:31,890
So it doesn't matter.

514
00:15:32,070 --> 00:15:33,150
It doesn't matter to us.

515
00:15:33,390 --> 00:15:37,170
But I think it could really move the

516
00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,330
value for value proposition forward.

517
00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:42,590
So up to $25,000, you do not

518
00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:43,810
pay any taxes.

519
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:46,690
Now, here's the conundrum.

520
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:51,690
I despise calling value for value tips.

521
00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:54,550
This is your worst nightmare.

522
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:57,410
So I have a real issue with this.

523
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:59,510
What am I going to do now?

524
00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:01,770
It's like, I'm happy about it, but also

525
00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:03,550
I'm really not happy about it.

526
00:16:03,770 --> 00:16:05,430
It should be called no tax on value

527
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:06,810
is what it should be called.

528
00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:08,470
I'm going to write to the president a

529
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:10,030
letter, see if he can change that to

530
00:16:10,030 --> 00:16:13,790
value for value podcasters.

531
00:16:15,010 --> 00:16:16,690
This, this is really a bit, that is

532
00:16:16,690 --> 00:16:17,130
a big deal.

533
00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:19,010
If that, if that gets through to final

534
00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:21,510
regulation, I mean, that, that would, that would

535
00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:22,090
be a big deal.

536
00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:24,290
Cause then, I mean, like that would also

537
00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:30,470
apply to crypto conversion, crypto conversion.

538
00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:32,990
I mean, like, yeah, that would, that is

539
00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:33,570
a big deal.

540
00:16:33,730 --> 00:16:34,250
Yeah, it should.

541
00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:35,910
I think it's very, very positive.

542
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:37,530
I haven't heard anybody talk about it.

543
00:16:37,810 --> 00:16:39,530
So I guess that would apply to all

544
00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:41,430
your Patreon people and all that stuff too.

545
00:16:41,630 --> 00:16:41,730
Yeah.

546
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:42,090
Yeah.

547
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:44,730
Let me see if it says anything specifically

548
00:16:44,730 --> 00:16:46,430
about how you receive them.

549
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:50,070
Uh, but this, this, so this goes back

550
00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:54,010
towards, uh, anything received on or before December

551
00:16:54,010 --> 00:16:55,530
31st, 2024.

552
00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:59,690
So retroactively you can do this if, if

553
00:16:59,690 --> 00:17:04,470
this comes into play, um, which is beautiful,

554
00:17:04,849 --> 00:17:07,190
man, there's all kinds of people in here.

555
00:17:07,430 --> 00:17:11,089
Ride share, travel guides, tour guides and escorts.

556
00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:16,329
Hey, now, those who escort individuals or groups

557
00:17:16,329 --> 00:17:19,089
on sightseeing tours or through places of interest,

558
00:17:19,089 --> 00:17:22,069
such as industrial establishments, public buildings, or art

559
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:22,550
galleries.

560
00:17:23,069 --> 00:17:23,490
Hey, baby.

561
00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:24,130
Hey, baby.

562
00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:25,130
Look at my art gallery.

563
00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:31,290
Suddenly everybody owns an art gallery.

564
00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:32,170
Yeah, I guess so.

565
00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:33,990
The, uh, the, and of course the reason

566
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:35,450
they're doing this is because you don't want,

567
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:37,350
what you don't want is somebody to say,

568
00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:40,290
you know, everybody to who's in a traditional,

569
00:17:40,410 --> 00:17:44,250
like this person's a, a middle manager at

570
00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:45,970
a, at a law firm.

571
00:17:46,330 --> 00:17:49,970
And then suddenly they, they, their salary drops

572
00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:51,710
to $1 and everything else they get is

573
00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:52,190
tips.

574
00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:52,610
Right.

575
00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:53,430
Exactly.

576
00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:55,910
You got to put some parameters around it,

577
00:17:55,930 --> 00:17:57,450
but that, I mean, yeah, that's a big

578
00:17:57,450 --> 00:17:57,610
deal.

579
00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,850
My kid, both of them, both my older

580
00:17:59,850 --> 00:18:02,130
two kids, they both are, while they're in

581
00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:04,190
school, they're working in the service industry.

582
00:18:04,590 --> 00:18:04,690
Yeah.

583
00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:06,450
And they, I mean, everything they do is

584
00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:06,690
tips.

585
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:07,070
Yeah.

586
00:18:07,790 --> 00:18:09,330
So, I mean, they're, that's a big deal

587
00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:09,670
for them.

588
00:18:09,770 --> 00:18:10,990
25 grand tax free.

589
00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:12,890
That's, I thought, I thought that was, I

590
00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:15,930
thought that was really quite, uh, quite, quite

591
00:18:15,930 --> 00:18:16,270
cool.

592
00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:17,290
Yeah.

593
00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:20,130
It should, I just, I've got to figure

594
00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:21,630
out a way to get around the tips

595
00:18:21,630 --> 00:18:21,910
thing.

596
00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:23,110
Tips, tips.

597
00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:25,390
But you know, if you can make $25

598
00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:28,330
,000 in tips on your podcast, I'd call

599
00:18:28,330 --> 00:18:29,050
that valuable.

600
00:18:29,890 --> 00:18:30,410
Oh yeah.

601
00:18:30,490 --> 00:18:31,970
By the time you get to 25, I

602
00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:34,850
mean, that's 25 tax free.

603
00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:35,850
That's a great start.

604
00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:37,030
No kidding.

605
00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:37,830
That's a great start.

606
00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:38,530
It's not good.

607
00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:39,930
It's not going to pay a mortgage, but

608
00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:40,730
it's a great start.

609
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:42,230
It's better than a kick in the pants.

610
00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:43,070
Yeah.

611
00:18:43,210 --> 00:18:43,850
I like it.

612
00:18:44,010 --> 00:18:44,810
I like it a lot.

613
00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:49,110
So, uh, tell me about this, uh, this

614
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:50,730
aggregator drop that we had.

615
00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:52,670
Because, you know, I had issues with the

616
00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:55,390
aggregator in August, and I wonder if that

617
00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:56,210
was part of it.

618
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:59,090
I think it was.

619
00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:02,330
Remember, I, I, I alerted you to this.

620
00:19:02,410 --> 00:19:03,330
I said, Hey, something's wrong.

621
00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:04,390
Something's wrong.

622
00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:05,550
And you went, and you know, and what

623
00:19:05,550 --> 00:19:06,390
I, you know what I said?

624
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:06,630
Yeah.

625
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:07,250
Yeah.

626
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:08,110
You screwed it up.

627
00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:10,670
You made the mistake, stupid vibe coder.

628
00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:12,090
You probably did it wrong.

629
00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:13,090
You're holding it wrong.

630
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:16,470
The first response is always, it's your fault.

631
00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:19,270
Then I mean, that's just, it's, it's the

632
00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:19,610
law.

633
00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:21,710
It's usually right.

634
00:19:23,170 --> 00:19:23,890
Typically.

635
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:24,390
Yeah.

636
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:25,210
It's my fault.

637
00:19:26,970 --> 00:19:31,990
So the, the issue, I wonder if that,

638
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:36,110
um, I wonder if that podcast is still

639
00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:39,010
there and like this.

640
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:39,410
Let's see.

641
00:19:39,490 --> 00:19:40,770
Let me see if I can find it.

642
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:44,370
Cause the, it was one podcast that broke

643
00:19:44,370 --> 00:19:45,830
aggregator one.

644
00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:49,090
So yeah, it had like a really long

645
00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:50,950
person tag or something.

646
00:19:51,050 --> 00:19:53,150
It was a really long iTunes author tag.

647
00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:54,070
Oh, author tag.

648
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:54,550
Interesting.

649
00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:58,250
This, this iTunes author tag is off the

650
00:19:58,250 --> 00:19:58,730
chain.

651
00:19:59,590 --> 00:20:03,370
It's like, it was like 4,000 characters

652
00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:03,910
or something.

653
00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:04,150
Why?

654
00:20:04,270 --> 00:20:04,890
What was in it?

655
00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:06,470
What, what, what was this author doing?

656
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:08,390
I mean, the, the guy's tax return was

657
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:08,770
in it.

658
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:11,630
The guy, I mean, everything's in this thing.

659
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:12,650
That's great.

660
00:20:13,070 --> 00:20:13,530
That's great.

661
00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:14,850
It just made me laugh.

662
00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:16,570
I was upset, but then it made me

663
00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:17,110
laugh too.

664
00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:20,430
When I saw it, um, oh man, I

665
00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:21,150
got to find this thing.

666
00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:22,490
It was like a, I think it was

667
00:20:22,490 --> 00:20:23,430
like a church guy.

668
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:26,730
Um, uh, we'll see here.

669
00:20:26,770 --> 00:20:26,950
It is.

670
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:27,190
Oh yeah.

671
00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:27,450
Okay.

672
00:20:27,550 --> 00:20:28,030
Here it is.

673
00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:29,450
It is podcasting.

674
00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:31,050
It's called rebuilding faith.

675
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:31,290
Yeah.

676
00:20:31,310 --> 00:20:32,130
I still like this.

677
00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:34,490
It's podcast index.

678
00:20:34,570 --> 00:20:34,950
There we go.

679
00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:36,410
I'll paste it in the boardroom.

680
00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:38,470
Rebuilding.

681
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,750
Do learn how RSS works, please.

682
00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:42,990
Well, I don't know if you can't expect

683
00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:44,610
too much from people these days.

684
00:20:45,170 --> 00:20:48,470
Um, yeah, just take a gander at that

685
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:49,050
author tag.

686
00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:52,310
It says rebuilding faith by, and then it's

687
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:53,930
just, oh my goodness.

688
00:20:55,450 --> 00:20:56,370
He's a pastor.

689
00:20:56,530 --> 00:20:56,970
He's an author.

690
00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:59,590
He's a podcast host passionate about helping people

691
00:20:59,590 --> 00:21:01,650
reconstruct faith after deconstruction.

692
00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:06,150
You should not be asking questions in your

693
00:21:06,150 --> 00:21:06,810
author tag.

694
00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:09,490
This is not, how do I raise my

695
00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:11,190
kids with faith when I'm not sure what

696
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:11,990
I believe myself?

697
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:12,770
Question mark.

698
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:15,410
Can I follow Jesus without accepting harmful versions

699
00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:16,390
of, oh my goodness.

700
00:21:16,990 --> 00:21:19,890
That's this is, so this is the thing

701
00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:20,630
that's crazy.

702
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:21,370
That's crazy.

703
00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:24,050
So what you see there is, is not

704
00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:24,630
the whole thing.

705
00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:26,350
It was much, much, much longer.

706
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:27,250
Oh, that's funny.

707
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:29,830
So the reason that I put that in

708
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:32,290
the show notes, the reason it works now,

709
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:34,910
the reason it works now is because I

710
00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:39,230
trunk, I properly truncated the author tag to

711
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:42,650
fit into the database, a column size limit,

712
00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:44,110
which it was not before.

713
00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:47,210
Is there, is there an actual size limit

714
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:48,850
in the tag to this or is it

715
00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:49,210
open?

716
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:53,150
It's, uh, I don't think, I don't think

717
00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:55,150
Apple has any size limits on their iTunes

718
00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:55,610
tags.

719
00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:58,510
I think internally they do, but I don't

720
00:21:58,510 --> 00:22:01,370
know that any of the, this is the,

721
00:22:01,550 --> 00:22:04,530
I'm, I'm, I'm with, I'm side-eyeing the

722
00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:05,850
boardroom because Daniel J.

723
00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:07,070
Lewis is about to tell me I'm wrong,

724
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:10,810
but I don't think that they publish like

725
00:22:10,810 --> 00:22:13,410
restrictions on how long the tags can be.

726
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:18,650
But I mean, my, so the, the, the

727
00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:22,610
database, the podcast index database, the column limit

728
00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:25,910
for the author tag was 2048 characters.

729
00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:26,370
Hmm.

730
00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:35,130
Now, proper handling of incoming data is, I

731
00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:36,850
mean, this is purely on me for the

732
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:40,270
second time in about three weeks, I've, I've

733
00:22:40,270 --> 00:22:45,130
completely borked in my responsibilities as a pro

734
00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:50,470
as, as a diligent, uh, RSS aggregator developer,

735
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:54,690
because, you know, last time I did not,

736
00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:58,670
I had somehow not properly indexed the soundbites

737
00:22:58,670 --> 00:22:59,230
table.

738
00:22:59,490 --> 00:23:03,050
This time I did not restrict the size

739
00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:06,710
limit of the iTunes author tag to be

740
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:09,150
less than, to be truncated to less than

741
00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:10,570
2048 characters.

742
00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:13,330
If it happened to indeed be over 2048

743
00:23:13,330 --> 00:23:13,850
characters.

744
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:18,450
Now this, this code that has been running

745
00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:24,010
for years, and this has never happened about

746
00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:24,270
it.

747
00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:27,390
This has never happened that trust the God

748
00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:30,030
cast trust the God casters to break it.

749
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:33,350
He had this guy SEO, he's SEO is

750
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:34,030
author tag.

751
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:38,190
Um, but so this, I mean, this is

752
00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:39,250
just the nature of bugs.

753
00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:40,850
You know, you don't, you don't know that

754
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:42,150
it's broken until it breaks.

755
00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:42,510
Right.

756
00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:45,730
And this, this code has probably been in

757
00:23:45,730 --> 00:23:48,910
production for three years, if not more.

758
00:23:48,990 --> 00:23:51,790
And it's no, no more than that.

759
00:23:51,790 --> 00:23:53,750
The iTunes author tag, that's, that's one of

760
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:54,830
the first, the first ones.

761
00:23:55,050 --> 00:23:55,410
Yeah.

762
00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:55,570
Yeah.

763
00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:57,190
I mean, this is probably a five-year

764
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:59,510
-old code and it was just one, it

765
00:23:59,510 --> 00:24:00,430
was one line of code.

766
00:24:00,790 --> 00:24:03,850
It's just one line and it only worked

767
00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:04,910
one aggregator.

768
00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:05,910
Is that what happened?

769
00:24:06,550 --> 00:24:06,910
Yeah.

770
00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:09,230
So we have 10 and, uh, it says

771
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:10,090
zero through nine.

772
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:14,530
And, um, so the way, and then we

773
00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:17,990
had a discussion about this on, um, on

774
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:23,070
podcast, podcast index dot social about how to,

775
00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:26,150
um, what would you call that?

776
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:30,150
Like smooth out the load across all the

777
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:30,690
aggregators.

778
00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:34,470
So there was aggregator to the way that

779
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:35,230
it ended up.

780
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:37,070
And this is just sort of like an

781
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:39,310
accident of, of the way that the index

782
00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:46,930
came, came about is aggregator zero and one,

783
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:54,830
those two aggregators, they, they bear a lot

784
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:55,670
of the load.

785
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:58,330
So, okay.

786
00:24:58,450 --> 00:25:03,010
So you have, whenever, whenever, uh, let me

787
00:25:03,010 --> 00:25:05,110
try to, there's multiple things happening.

788
00:25:05,230 --> 00:25:05,850
Let me try to explain.

789
00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:13,570
So the, the aggregators are number are responsible.

790
00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:16,390
Each one is responsible for multiple things.

791
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:21,310
So aggregator zero is responsible.

792
00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:24,050
I've made some changes, but at the time

793
00:25:24,050 --> 00:25:26,350
that this bug happened, the aggregator zero was

794
00:25:27,050 --> 00:25:31,270
responsible for all the podcast index for polling,

795
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:36,630
all the podcast index IDs, zero through 1

796
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:37,010
million.

797
00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:42,290
And then aggregator one was responsible for 1

798
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:45,590
million through 2 million aggregator to, and, and,

799
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:46,370
and so forth.

800
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:50,890
So each aggregator was responsible for polling into

801
00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:52,170
a million feeds.

802
00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:59,270
Because, um, because we initially, because we built

803
00:25:59,270 --> 00:26:02,470
the initial batch of, of feeds off of

804
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:08,950
Apple's index, the, those lower IDs from zero

805
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:11,250
to 2 million, because there was roughly 2

806
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:13,850
million listed in Apple's index at that moment,

807
00:26:13,930 --> 00:26:17,290
at that time, those just happened to be

808
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:18,470
the most active.

809
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:20,490
Podcast.

810
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:21,050
Right.

811
00:26:21,170 --> 00:26:22,430
Of course that makes sense.

812
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:23,250
Yeah.

813
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:25,890
They're the ones that post that, that post

814
00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:26,390
new episode.

815
00:26:26,530 --> 00:26:28,150
They're just the ones that are the most

816
00:26:28,150 --> 00:26:29,070
consistent.

817
00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:32,310
And not all of them are, but, but

818
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:35,050
most of the, most of the consistent podcast

819
00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:36,650
lists, you know, if you look at the

820
00:26:36,650 --> 00:26:40,350
podcast index stats, uh, 4.6 million shows

821
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:43,810
is in three days, 103,000, you know,

822
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:48,570
1,569, uh, shows have published an episode.

823
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:55,810
Probably 70% of that came from, uh,

824
00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:58,790
that one to 2 million podcast index.

825
00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:01,390
Thresh, you know, range.

826
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:03,730
There's, it's just the way it is.

827
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:05,870
So is that actually good for load balancing

828
00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:06,550
over time?

829
00:27:07,670 --> 00:27:09,810
Well, it's not for, you know, it's not

830
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:13,070
for this because, you know, this one means

831
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:15,770
the way I was doing, it has had

832
00:27:15,770 --> 00:27:18,610
everything just loaded up on aggregators zero and

833
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:22,070
one, and they're just doing way more work

834
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:23,030
than the rest of them.

835
00:27:23,710 --> 00:27:26,630
And, uh, Do they complain?

836
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:28,530
Do they complain to you saying, you know,

837
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:30,550
dude, like, could you offload this onto some

838
00:27:30,550 --> 00:27:31,290
of these other dudes?

839
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:33,070
Cause it's like, I'm getting tired over here.

840
00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:34,970
They're, they're looking at the other ones.

841
00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:36,090
Oh man, you slackers.

842
00:27:37,630 --> 00:27:41,030
Um, so, you know, it never, it hasn't

843
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:42,470
really been a problem.

844
00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:44,250
I mean, we've got, we got plenty of

845
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:48,190
horsepower for plowing through these things, but it

846
00:27:48,190 --> 00:27:50,750
is so, and the, but, but here's the

847
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:52,190
other thing that happened that they do.

848
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:54,770
So the other thing that the aggregators do

849
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:58,250
is each one has a sort of a

850
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:59,550
secondary responsibility.

851
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:08,050
Aggregator zero handles, uh, handles pod ping requests.

852
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:11,750
So anything that gets that requests an update

853
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:14,090
through a pub ping aggregator zero also handles

854
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:21,310
that aggregator one handles feeds with an update

855
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:27,900
frequency of one aggregator two handles of handles

856
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,920
fees with an update frequency of two, three,

857
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:32,260
and three, four, four, all the way up

858
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:32,740
through nine.

859
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,000
So there's a possible, we, we use a

860
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,380
field.

861
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:38,620
There's a field in the database called, um,

862
00:28:39,260 --> 00:28:41,020
called update frequency.

863
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,480
And so every time we, every time we

864
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880
look at parts of feed, we look at

865
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,700
the episode list and say, okay, in over,

866
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,160
over this many days.

867
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:57,980
So like, let's say three days.

868
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:01,080
So over like three days, how many episodes

869
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,720
were published over seven days?

870
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,640
How many episodes were published over 10 days?

871
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,660
How many episodes were published?

872
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:09,520
We, there's this algorithm that, that, that I

873
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
have that, that comes up with an estimate

874
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:17,420
of how fast this show produces new episodes.

875
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,900
And it assigns a score to that.

876
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,820
Cool, cool.

877
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:26,800
You're like a little, little AI machine.

878
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,060
It's a very non AI rudimentary, you know,

879
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:32,620
thing.

880
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:35,400
And, uh, so it just gives it a

881
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,540
number one through nine.

882
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,200
And so in the, so each aggregator has

883
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,920
a separate responsibility to pull feeds that fall

884
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,000
within its, within its numbered update frequency.

885
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,380
And that sort of load balances that aspect

886
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:54,900
of things.

887
00:29:55,690 --> 00:30:03,020
And so, you know, unfortunately that number is

888
00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:03,980
in reverse priority.

889
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,500
So an update frequency of one means that

890
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:13,340
this, this podcast updates more often than something

891
00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:14,860
with an update frequency of five.

892
00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:20,340
So that also skews the load balancing towards

893
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,400
the lowered number aggregators, you know, because the

894
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,880
most frequently updated are also lower numbers.

895
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,500
So just based on the way this was,

896
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,620
you know, this all came about slowly over

897
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:38,420
time, aggregator zero and one just, just ended

898
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:41,580
up doing probably 10 X the work of

899
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:42,320
the rest of them.

900
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,220
So that means that if there's a problem

901
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,140
with one of the, with aggregator zero or

902
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:49,680
one, it shows up fast.

903
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,780
You see it immediately.

904
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:53,700
And that's what Spurlock said, Hey, you know,

905
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,940
the number of shows updating is, is dropping

906
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:59,300
like a rock, you know, some this month.

907
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,380
And I mean, just based on the chart

908
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:06,020
he showed, I'm like, Ooh, that's going off

909
00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:06,620
a cliff here.

910
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,780
And, and I, so I logged in, I

911
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:11,640
mean, I don't look at the aggregators.

912
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:12,940
I mean, they just don't.

913
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,220
But, um, I mean, you know, it's like

914
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:18,140
watching the matrix, the little green stuff flying

915
00:31:18,140 --> 00:31:18,700
down the screen.

916
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,200
I mean, how could you, what could you

917
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,260
glean from this?

918
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,920
But, um, but, but they do log to

919
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,060
the screen, to the console.

920
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,160
And so I can just pop one up

921
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,420
and look and watch what it's doing.

922
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,040
And I popped up aggregator zero.

923
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:33,740
Everything's fine.

924
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,600
Aggregator one.

925
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:39,620
And immediately saw the error.

926
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,960
It's a SQL column overflow during an insert.

927
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:44,760
I'm like, Oh, okay, crap.

928
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:45,580
What did I miss?

929
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,740
And, you know, and it was, it was

930
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,160
on this one podcast and I'm like, Oh,

931
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,120
are you kidding me?

932
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,720
Like a 5,000 character author tag.

933
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:56,740
I'm like, why, why was I not to?

934
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,080
And if, and I look at the code,

935
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,400
nope.

936
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Wasn't checking it.

937
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,980
What, what did not do a safe, a

938
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:03,340
safety check on the, on the size of

939
00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:03,760
that field.

940
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,360
So that was a neat, that was a

941
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,220
quick, easy fix.

942
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:10,920
Um, then, then the law, you know, the

943
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,540
longer fix is, uh, so we'll, well to

944
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,500
show, to say what was happening is what

945
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:19,480
was happening is it was trying to aggregate

946
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,400
the way the aggregators work is they, they

947
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,940
pull the database for a batch of feeds.

948
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,280
They're like, okay, what's next.

949
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:28,640
Right.

950
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,960
And they grab those feeds.

951
00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:34,320
Um, you know, about a thousand at a

952
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,580
time, they grab the feeds and stick them

953
00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:41,280
into us into a local SQLite database.

954
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:49,140
Then they run the, uh, aggravator, downloader polar,

955
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,720
which is it's, it's the sources openness on

956
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,960
our podcast index, org, uh, GitHub.

957
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:58,520
Um, it pulls all those feeds down the

958
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,580
RSS, and then it hands off to party

959
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,040
time, which rolls through them all and parses

960
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,060
them and sticks their data, their parse data

961
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:06,940
back in the database.

962
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
So that initial pull where it's saying, okay,

963
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,480
then give me the next batch.

964
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:15,800
It was pulled since, since that one needed

965
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,980
updating, since that one needed to be pulled

966
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:20,160
and it was not being pulled successfully because

967
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,580
the process was crashing.

968
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,620
It just kept trying to pull it over

969
00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:24,420
and over and over.

970
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,820
So it would crash every single time.

971
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:28,780
So it's like you hit a wall.

972
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:29,860
It was just stuck.

973
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:32,880
So basically the net effect of that is

974
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:39,400
no podcast index feed of 1 million ID,

975
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:41,920
1 million in one through 1,000,000

976
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,100
,999 where none of them were updated.

977
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:45,560
Got it.

978
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,600
If, if I got to ask you again,

979
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,500
if you just one day decide you're sick

980
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:54,380
of it, I'm sick of it.

981
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,900
I'm leaving.

982
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:56,300
I'm, I'm rage quitting.

983
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:58,080
No, I'm sick of it right now.

984
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,500
I'm rage quitting right now.

985
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:00,680
What happens?

986
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,780
This whole, this whole thing falls down.

987
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:05,260
You're like the, you're like the cornerstone of

988
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:05,880
all of this.

989
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,719
I need to give somebody like a dead

990
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,360
man switch.

991
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,219
Well, I've been asking for it.

992
00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:13,500
Well, I tried to, and we, and your,

993
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:15,080
your email wouldn't work with Linode.

994
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,480
We got to figure that out.

995
00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:18,380
Yeah, but, but, but the dead man, I

996
00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:19,940
mean, you're going to give me, I mean,

997
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,820
it still doesn't mean anyone could understand what's

998
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:22,520
going on.

999
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,120
Yeah.

1000
00:34:25,219 --> 00:34:26,620
RM dash RF slash.

1001
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:26,800
Yeah.

1002
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:28,460
That'll do it.

1003
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:29,420
I'm out.

1004
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,780
Well, I mean, the problem is if I

1005
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,139
walk away, you're walking away too.

1006
00:34:35,179 --> 00:34:36,340
Cause we're both going to Mexico.

1007
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,900
I mean, that's with our $25,000 tax

1008
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:41,520
-free money.

1009
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,920
And we're, we're cut now, baby.

1010
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,460
We're leaving.

1011
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:46,340
The idea that I would leave and you

1012
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:48,420
would remain is not, is not an accurate

1013
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:48,900
thing.

1014
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,699
I'm with you on that.

1015
00:34:49,780 --> 00:34:50,320
I'm with you.

1016
00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:50,719
Yeah.

1017
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:53,560
No, you're yeah.

1018
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,340
The queue.

1019
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:54,560
Yeah.

1020
00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:57,060
The new, the new aggregator set up will,

1021
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:58,740
will be queued Daniel.

1022
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,400
But no, I mean, like you, you, we

1023
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,880
got to get you in there and then

1024
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,660
yeah.

1025
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,220
And then yeah.

1026
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:08,220
But yeah, yeah.

1027
00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:08,520
You should.

1028
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,200
And we really should be somebody else with

1029
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,620
keys to the, you know what I need?

1030
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:15,500
I need another, I need another picture of

1031
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:17,460
your monitor screens at home.

1032
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:19,600
Oh, what does that mean?

1033
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,380
Just to see all the different windows you

1034
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:24,860
have open with log tails and stuff.

1035
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,540
It's got to be enormous.

1036
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:30,580
Right now on my screen upstairs, I have

1037
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:36,500
nine SSH sessions monitoring the, monitoring the logs

1038
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,080
to make sure that cause I'm load balancing.

1039
00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:41,000
That's upstairs.

1040
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:42,480
That's in the, like the living room.

1041
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:46,260
No, that upstairs is, is where I office,

1042
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:47,840
where we do our zoom calls and stuff.

1043
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:48,780
Oh, okay.

1044
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,640
I see you, you're, you're in the basement

1045
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,420
for the podcast.

1046
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,380
I didn't realize that.

1047
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,620
Somehow I thought it was the same place.

1048
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,700
I'm on a main floor.

1049
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Yeah.

1050
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
But yeah, that's, that's the, so I'm, so

1051
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,340
I'm load balancing right now and trying to

1052
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:07,540
just redistribute everything.

1053
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:13,680
Um, Spurlock had a great idea with, um,

1054
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:18,260
using, uh, like a Shaw one hash to

1055
00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:21,960
evenly distribute, uh, the load across all the

1056
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,580
aggregators.

1057
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:27,660
And the idea there is, um, is pretty

1058
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:28,000
cool.

1059
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,880
So the idea of a hash, um, this

1060
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,680
is the whole point of a hash is

1061
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,660
that when you take an, when you take

1062
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:43,500
a, any value and you hash it, it

1063
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:50,540
produces a non predictable number and non predictability.

1064
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,860
Uh, so rant randomness, you know, entropy is

1065
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:58,320
at its, is, is at its highest when

1066
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920
it has the broadest distribution.

1067
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,000
So the output distribution of a hash, if

1068
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,140
you just change one bit in the input

1069
00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:12,120
value completely different, it's a completely different output

1070
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,520
hash.

1071
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:16,300
And, and the help and that output hash

1072
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:20,180
has a randomized distribution and even distribution.

1073
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,120
So you can see this there's, there's, there

1074
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:24,900
used to be a website.

1075
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,800
I'm not sure if it's still, uh, I'm

1076
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960
not sure if it's still around, but there

1077
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,320
used to be this website that was really

1078
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,640
cool.

1079
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,700
That would show you, um, you could take

1080
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:39,820
a cryptographic algorithm and you could, uh, you

1081
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:42,720
could run it on some test data and

1082
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,120
it would show you the distribution of the

1083
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,660
output.

1084
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,720
And you can see for poor hashing algorithms,

1085
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,680
uh, you would see patterns developing.

1086
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,960
So it would, it would be sort of

1087
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,860
like, you're seeing like this grid, like this

1088
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:58,620
matrix, like on the screen, this big square

1089
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:00,980
with these tiny little dots in it, each

1090
00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:03,080
represent isn't, you know, a matrix from one

1091
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,380
to 20 billion or something.

1092
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,560
And you would see all the rent.

1093
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,780
You would see a heavy pattern develop towards

1094
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:14,100
one particular range of numbers and the output.

1095
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,820
That's a poor hash.

1096
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:19,900
If you take something like SHA-256 and,

1097
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,160
and run a bunch of tests on that

1098
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,260
with all kinds of different input values, you're

1099
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,600
just going to see a very even distribution

1100
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,300
of outputs.

1101
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,560
It is, you're not going to, your eye

1102
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,960
doesn't detect any patterns.

1103
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,380
And so what you can, what you can

1104
00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:38,500
do is you can take, you could hash

1105
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,220
the podcast index ID with something like SHA

1106
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:44,020
-256, probably SHA-1 would be fine too.

1107
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,420
And then just chop off all the numbers

1108
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:50,300
and only keep the first, like the first

1109
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,960
digit and use that to determine which aggregator

1110
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,340
is going to aggregate that particular podcast index

1111
00:38:59,340 --> 00:38:59,720
ID.

1112
00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:02,940
And what that will do is it will,

1113
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:06,440
it will magically give you a rank, a,

1114
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,280
a even distribution across zero through nine.

1115
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,400
So you get, you just naturally aggregate, you

1116
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,520
naturally load balance all the aggregators.

1117
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,520
And so that's, um.

1118
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,540
That's nerdy.

1119
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,680
It's very nerdy.

1120
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:24,720
It's very nerdy.

1121
00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:25,600
Super nerdy.

1122
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,540
And it's also going to take a little

1123
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:29,600
bit of time, you know, to, to sort

1124
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,180
of like re-engineer things to work that

1125
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:32,460
way.

1126
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,240
So, but I do think that's a great

1127
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,100
idea and it does, it really does.

1128
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:39,640
I think it would solve this problem, but

1129
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,820
in the meantime, I'm, uh, until I can

1130
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:46,900
get around to that phase of things, because

1131
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,100
I'm still trying to find a time to

1132
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,140
build this new, uh, parser.

1133
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:55,080
And that'll, that'll be a whole new system.

1134
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:58,520
But the, the, in the meantime, what I'm

1135
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,060
doing is I'm taking each aggregator and I'm

1136
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:05,100
just restricting them to different ranges.

1137
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,700
We still get full coverage, but just move

1138
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,540
the ranges around so that things are not

1139
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:15,800
just, they're just not so heavily, uh, overloaded

1140
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,580
onto one or two boxes.

1141
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,180
And, uh, that, I mean, it's, it's working.

1142
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:20,980
It's better already.

1143
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,400
Can I talk to you, uh, as someone

1144
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,340
from the help desk?

1145
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:26,260
Sure.

1146
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,320
I'm sorry, the customer success, uh, management, uh,

1147
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,640
team.

1148
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,820
Oh yeah, the team, yeah.

1149
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,520
So there's, there's three things that are happening.

1150
00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:40,060
Um, because, you know, I answer a lot

1151
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:41,740
of these requests and I see other people

1152
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:43,160
doing it too and appreciate it.

1153
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:45,100
I know there's, I see Spurlock.

1154
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:47,280
I think Eric PP has access.

1155
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,880
Who else has access to the admin?

1156
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,020
Crater.

1157
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:50,980
Crater.

1158
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Yep.

1159
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Thank you.

1160
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:57,300
Um, so one thing, well, uh, uh, Alex,

1161
00:40:57,460 --> 00:40:58,080
Alex, Alex.

1162
00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:58,340
Yep.

1163
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,680
So the most, I get requests for different

1164
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,220
things, you know, um, and I'd say 90

1165
00:41:07,220 --> 00:41:09,920
% is I changed something.

1166
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:14,080
I deleted an episode, uh, fountain sent me,

1167
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:16,880
you know, um, I changed the show notes.

1168
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,980
It didn't update.

1169
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:23,560
Um, and that's until obviously a simple reset,

1170
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,700
uh, changes that for them.

1171
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,920
So my, I guess my question is a,

1172
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:31,540
I think I know the answer, but a,

1173
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,420
why do not, we do not detect those

1174
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:35,800
changes and make them.

1175
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:39,120
And there is no B that's the, that's

1176
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:39,540
not a.

1177
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,100
The question is a yes.

1178
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:47,460
Oh, um, is that just a actual machine

1179
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:48,700
resources and money?

1180
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:49,940
Is that what that comes down to?

1181
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,540
Yeah.

1182
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,200
Uh, so there's, I tried to detect, um,

1183
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:58,360
wait, hold on a sec.

1184
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:01,460
What are you doing?

1185
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:05,200
Podcasts are down.

1186
00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:09,550
Oh, sorry.

1187
00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:10,350
Sorry.

1188
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:11,350
I dropped, I dropped something.

1189
00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:17,410
The, um, so there's, I try to figure

1190
00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:24,710
out what changes should trigger, uh, an insert.

1191
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:32,670
Or an update because, uh, yeah, writing to

1192
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:33,990
the database is expensive.

1193
00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:38,110
Reading from it is not right.

1194
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:43,050
Writing to the database locks, locks tables.

1195
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:47,370
And so you want to do it as

1196
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:48,190
little as possible.

1197
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:53,250
The, the way that this is normally handled

1198
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:57,650
is you have, uh, you have a, uh,

1199
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:00,430
you have two databases that are slave to,

1200
00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:01,830
you know, slave to each other.

1201
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:03,830
And then you have a, you have an

1202
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:05,330
up, you have one, that's the sort of

1203
00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:05,590
the mat.

1204
00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:07,410
You have like a master slave relationship on

1205
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:08,210
your database databases.

1206
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:13,190
And then one of them is a, um,

1207
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:15,130
is a read only replica.

1208
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:17,730
So now all the reads are happening from

1209
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:18,510
this one database.

1210
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:20,070
And then all the rights are happening to

1211
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:22,090
this other database that does not handle the

1212
00:43:22,090 --> 00:43:22,470
reads.

1213
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:29,470
That doesn't really help, uh, us because there

1214
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:33,950
are just simply so many reads and, I

1215
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:35,550
mean, excuse me, so many, so many rights.

1216
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,390
The, the database is just being written to,

1217
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:43,270
you know, like crazy.

1218
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:48,210
I mean, there's, you know, 7 million podcasts

1219
00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:51,490
records in the, in the podcast table.

1220
00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:54,810
Um, including dead ones, I presume.

1221
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:56,050
Including dead ones.

1222
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:56,190
Yeah.

1223
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:58,910
So the active ones, there's 4.6 million

1224
00:43:58,910 --> 00:44:00,410
and you got to roll through those all

1225
00:44:00,410 --> 00:44:00,970
the time.

1226
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:05,410
And there's going to be, so there, there's

1227
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:10,810
feeds that update that don't actually, that are

1228
00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:11,270
meaningless.

1229
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:11,910
Okay.

1230
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:14,090
So, and what I mean by that is,

1231
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:20,380
um, what I mean, what I mean is

1232
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:24,280
there are tons of updates that happen to

1233
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:31,220
feeds that do not actually show up as

1234
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:32,820
a meaningful change to the feed.

1235
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:37,540
So something like the last build date, uh,

1236
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:46,120
or, um, somebody, uh, changed the URL of

1237
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,200
an, of an image.

1238
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,580
Okay.

1239
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:50,280
But the other image is still there.

1240
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,700
Or some, there, there's.

1241
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:53,800
That's another big one.

1242
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:54,080
Yeah.

1243
00:44:55,380 --> 00:45:00,040
Um, somebody, um, I'm trying to think of

1244
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,740
some, some examples.

1245
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,160
Somebody changed the show notes in the description

1246
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,520
field, but the change they made is their

1247
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,900
show notes are 6,000 characters long and

1248
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:13,320
we only pull in 4,000.

1249
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,920
So if we write a whole new set

1250
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,860
of episodes and think based to the database,

1251
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,820
based on that change, we re we wrote

1252
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:27,440
a whole bunch of data for nothing because

1253
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,700
nothing actually changed that that's meaningful anyway.

1254
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:32,800
So there's tons of things like this in

1255
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,260
a feed.

1256
00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:35,160
And so you have to be very intelligent

1257
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,960
about deciding when, when is the writing to

1258
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,540
the database with all the locking that occurs,

1259
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,580
when is it actually worth it?

1260
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:51,860
And because if you had, let's just say

1261
00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:55,040
you had a thousand feeds or even 10

1262
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,440
,000 feeds, you would just take a whole

1263
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,080
different approach.

1264
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,540
What you do is you would just, you

1265
00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:04,540
would just read every feed, translate all those

1266
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:09,480
RSS tags into database fields and just do

1267
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,180
an update and just update the records and

1268
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:13,940
everything every single time.

1269
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,220
And there's so few feeds that you're just,

1270
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960
you're only doing that every few minutes and

1271
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,700
it's not a big deal.

1272
00:46:20,620 --> 00:46:23,720
Once you get into the millions, you just

1273
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:24,960
don't have that luxury anymore.

1274
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:29,460
You have to be looking for meaningful deltas

1275
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:31,860
between what you have and what is new

1276
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:33,180
in the feed and try to make a

1277
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:33,580
decision.

1278
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:38,860
And so the decisions that, that, that I've

1279
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:42,900
made over the years are based on what

1280
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,260
effect I see it having on our load.

1281
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,000
If, so something you can do is you

1282
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,300
can say, you can watch, you can watch

1283
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:55,820
Podping.

1284
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:57,660
This is a good way to do it.

1285
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:58,820
You can look at Podping.

1286
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:00,400
I was just about to say, shouldn't, shouldn't

1287
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,100
this be a thing that we, that we

1288
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,720
flow into Podping that says, okay, we need,

1289
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:07,880
whatever this change is, it needs a reparsing

1290
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
of the entire feed or, or some parts

1291
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,320
of it.

1292
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:15,500
So if you, if you watch Podping, what

1293
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,240
you're going to see is you will often

1294
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,580
see the same podcast showing up in Podping

1295
00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:28,640
10, 15 times within, within, within 15 minutes.

1296
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Yeah.

1297
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,080
And what's happening is somebody is uploading an

1298
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,280
episode, going back and changing something in the,

1299
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,460
in the show notes, then changing something again

1300
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:41,120
in the show notes, then fixing a typo

1301
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,280
in the show notes, then putting a link

1302
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,020
into the show notes.

1303
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:46,800
And every time they edit that description field,

1304
00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:49,580
the show notes field, it triggers another Podping

1305
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:50,600
because the feed changed.

1306
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:56,320
If, if we updated that every single time.

1307
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:58,120
Yeah, no, I understand.

1308
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,300
That would, that would bring us to our

1309
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:00,680
knees.

1310
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,840
Right.

1311
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:04,320
And so what that's, that's sort of the,

1312
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:07,940
if there is any disadvantage to Podping, it

1313
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:13,500
is that it's that sometimes you actually, sometimes

1314
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:14,900
it's better not to know.

1315
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,200
It's always better not to know.

1316
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:19,200
Right.

1317
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:20,360
You know, you know what I mean?

1318
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:27,260
The, you want to know, but sometimes you'd

1319
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:29,220
like, what you would really want is to

1320
00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:32,460
say, look, here's what you want to tell

1321
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:32,980
that person.

1322
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,380
Once you get your thing figured out and

1323
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:38,440
you're satisfied with what your feed is going

1324
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,660
to look like, then you let me know

1325
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:42,560
and I'll update everything.

1326
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:43,540
Right.

1327
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:46,660
But there's no, I mean, that's obviously not

1328
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:47,040
possible.

1329
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,360
So you try to like work around this,

1330
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,340
this, and this is, you know, we're using

1331
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:58,680
the example of one feed, but this is

1332
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,420
happening across thousands of feeds all the time.

1333
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:01,660
Yeah.

1334
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,540
And so you're just reparsing the same feed

1335
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:10,140
because somebody misspelled, you know, the word the

1336
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:12,260
S-T-E instead of T-H-E.

1337
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:12,720
And it's like.

1338
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:15,660
Yeah, a lot of overhead for that change.

1339
00:49:15,820 --> 00:49:16,240
Yeah, I understand.

1340
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:16,620
Yeah.

1341
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,440
And so for that reason.

1342
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,300
Just be better, people.

1343
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:21,260
Be better.

1344
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,120
For that reason, one of the things I

1345
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:29,720
exclude is the show notes and is the

1346
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:30,620
description field.

1347
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,720
That's from, that's from just regular updates.

1348
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:39,920
Now, if the way it's excluded is important.

1349
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,380
So what I mean is if all that

1350
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:45,740
changed was a word in the show notes,

1351
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:47,880
we're not going to reparse that.

1352
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:49,780
We're not going to do, we're not going

1353
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:50,940
to re-update the database.

1354
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,680
If, if a new episode is added, we

1355
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,920
will rescan everything and update the database.

1356
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,420
So, and that's, that's because each time we

1357
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:06,040
check for new episodes, I'm building a cache

1358
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,340
of frequently used fields in the feed.

1359
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,140
And only if a significant, what I, what

1360
00:50:15,140 --> 00:50:17,360
I call a significant field is updated.

1361
00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:19,520
So that means like the album art changed

1362
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,900
or the enclosure changed or, or like a

1363
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,160
value for value tag changed or the funding

1364
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,760
tag changed.

1365
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,880
Something that's, that would be critically important to

1366
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,080
the integrity of the feed or an episode

1367
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,300
is something like that changed.

1368
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:37,760
And look, I understand that it's not ideal.

1369
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,480
I know that it's, I know that somebody,

1370
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,060
if somebody makes a typo in their show

1371
00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:47,540
notes and then that shows up in podcast

1372
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:50,040
index and there's no easy way to change

1373
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,400
it.

1374
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,660
I know that it sucks.

1375
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,960
I get it.

1376
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,960
But it just like there's trade-offs with

1377
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,860
trying to keep our budget under control and

1378
00:51:00,860 --> 00:51:03,220
trying to keep the load down and manageable.

1379
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:07,040
And so that was, that was one of

1380
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,660
the changes.

1381
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,020
Now, you know, hopefully when the new system

1382
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:15,960
gets written, I'm hoping to be able to

1383
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,740
do, to do more than, than this.

1384
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:24,520
And part, part of that will be, part

1385
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,420
of that will be actually break.

1386
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,300
Because, because right, like right now what I'm

1387
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,560
doing is what's called batched inserts or batch

1388
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,900
updates in SQL, instead of saying, you know,

1389
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,780
update this record with all these values, you

1390
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:43,380
can say, update this table with all of

1391
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:44,100
these records.

1392
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,840
And so you can just sort of batch

1393
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,860
insert a whole bunch of stuff all at

1394
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:49,160
once.

1395
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:58,530
And the, so that also has sort of

1396
00:51:58,530 --> 00:52:02,370
a drawback to it, which is you're more

1397
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:05,470
likely to lock in a situation like that,

1398
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:08,190
when you're doing an insert of 15,000

1399
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:10,430
items at once, rather than just one.

1400
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:14,150
But you also, but it, but it's faster,

1401
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:16,390
you know, it's faster because the database can

1402
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:19,130
use its internal optimizations to make that thing

1403
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:19,930
happen quicker.

1404
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:23,070
But it, but it will, it will be

1405
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,110
more likely to lock.

1406
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:25,990
So I don't know, there's just a lot

1407
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:28,290
of trade-offs with, with this.

1408
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:33,490
Well, believe me, it's not an issue to

1409
00:52:33,490 --> 00:52:35,350
go in and reset people's feeds until we

1410
00:52:35,350 --> 00:52:36,150
figure this out.

1411
00:52:37,570 --> 00:52:39,490
Well, I wish it wasn't.

1412
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:40,990
I wish we didn't have to feel so

1413
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:41,590
much of that.

1414
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:44,510
I mean, I see you constantly doing it.

1415
00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:45,470
It's not a problem.

1416
00:52:45,570 --> 00:52:48,150
Now, the good news is it looks like

1417
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:51,310
Spotify, formerly known as, what were they used

1418
00:52:51,310 --> 00:52:51,670
to be?

1419
00:52:53,890 --> 00:52:54,710
Oh, Anchor.

1420
00:52:54,850 --> 00:52:55,450
Anchor, yeah.

1421
00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:59,190
So all the old Anchor feeds were a

1422
00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:01,670
significant portion, because some people still show up

1423
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:02,930
with an old Anchor feed.

1424
00:53:05,130 --> 00:53:08,030
Anchor was putting in iTunes block tags automatically.

1425
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:11,090
Those guys are real a-holes.

1426
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:13,870
And so someone will show up and say,

1427
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:16,230
hey, you know, it says I can't add

1428
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:17,270
this to the index.

1429
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:19,230
And I'll go in and look, oh, it's

1430
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:20,030
got a block tag.

1431
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:21,230
And they say, well, how'd that get in

1432
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:21,390
there?

1433
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:23,950
And there is no way to change it

1434
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:26,290
other than you have to actually call someone

1435
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:26,930
at Spotify.

1436
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:28,550
Really?

1437
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:28,970
Yep.

1438
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:31,010
Yeah, you have to get someone on the

1439
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:31,290
phone.

1440
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:33,770
And I've had probably three people in the

1441
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:35,290
past week or so who popped.

1442
00:53:35,370 --> 00:53:36,510
And they were able to figure it out.

1443
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:38,430
They were able to get to some customer

1444
00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:39,270
support person.

1445
00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:42,310
But it's just amazing that they were doing

1446
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:42,690
that.

1447
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:45,270
Like, what a bunch of horrible people.

1448
00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:48,090
It was by default.

1449
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:51,030
I mean, no one, I haven't encountered anybody

1450
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:52,990
who said, hey, you know, yeah, I made

1451
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:53,430
a mistake.

1452
00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:54,210
I put that in.

1453
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:56,590
So, and that's just a minor thing.

1454
00:53:57,890 --> 00:54:01,690
The third thing, how dumb do you think

1455
00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:04,650
these guys at telecast.ca think we really

1456
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:05,010
are?

1457
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:09,050
They are blowing us up, man.

1458
00:54:09,110 --> 00:54:10,850
And I just, I'm like, I've already said

1459
00:54:10,850 --> 00:54:11,230
no.

1460
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:13,510
And I'm just, I'm done with that.

1461
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:18,430
Here's the, here's an example of the latest.

1462
00:54:18,850 --> 00:54:19,470
Hi, Dave.

1463
00:54:19,770 --> 00:54:20,570
How are you?

1464
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:22,810
I am having difficulty reaching you.

1465
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:24,350
It's the same message every single time.

1466
00:54:24,490 --> 00:54:25,210
Every single time.

1467
00:54:25,330 --> 00:54:27,170
I know you have other million things on

1468
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:29,030
your mind, but I would like to ask

1469
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:32,710
you if you can please help, uppercase, our

1470
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:35,970
company telecast.ca, a right API to give

1471
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:38,210
us the ability to add podcast feeds to

1472
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:38,670
the index.

1473
00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:41,030
As it stands, we have a read search

1474
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:42,710
API key, but we would like to have

1475
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:44,350
the important right API key.

1476
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:45,850
Can you please help me out?

1477
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:47,770
You can check out our site at telecast

1478
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:50,050
.ca. And we're developing a site that can

1479
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:52,870
make and publish podcasts to the index.

1480
00:54:53,170 --> 00:54:55,230
And this thing is just filled with spam.

1481
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:58,310
Oh, it's nothing but it's Amazon affiliate spam

1482
00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:58,830
everywhere.

1483
00:54:59,110 --> 00:54:59,390
Yeah.

1484
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:01,850
And I told him, I'm like, there's Amazon

1485
00:55:01,850 --> 00:55:02,850
affiliate spam.

1486
00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:04,610
I'm not, I'm not doing this.

1487
00:55:04,810 --> 00:55:05,250
No.

1488
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:07,550
And they're like, oh, oh, we found that

1489
00:55:07,550 --> 00:55:08,230
one you mentioned.

1490
00:55:08,290 --> 00:55:08,890
And it's gone now.

1491
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:10,230
I'm like, no, you didn't.

1492
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:12,350
Some of the podcasts they feature, but I'm

1493
00:55:12,350 --> 00:55:13,290
going to go to the site.

1494
00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:15,110
Trending podcasts.

1495
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:17,390
Trot Arrigo.

1496
00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:18,270
Okay.

1497
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:19,490
Trot Arrigo.

1498
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:21,350
Episodes.

1499
00:55:21,550 --> 00:55:25,030
Download PDF, M'lady Standard Cosmetology by M

1500
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:26,730
'lady on Mac, full pages.

1501
00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:28,330
Let's see if that plays.

1502
00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:29,910
Does not play.

1503
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:32,870
Download EPUB, the Moose Walk Cookbook.

1504
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:34,250
This is, these are episodes.

1505
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:37,170
This is what they have published as episodes.

1506
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:39,070
I mean, do they really think we're stupid?

1507
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:43,030
Evidently, because I'm getting, we're getting like three

1508
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:44,370
of these a day, you know?

1509
00:55:44,590 --> 00:55:46,050
It's just unbelievable.

1510
00:55:46,930 --> 00:55:49,750
Hey, on a note, like on a similar

1511
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:50,330
note to that.

1512
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:53,530
So I think I CC'd you on this.

1513
00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:54,330
I'm pretty sure I did.

1514
00:55:57,610 --> 00:55:59,870
I'm going to, I'm going to censor this

1515
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:00,650
on the fly.

1516
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:07,450
A, a well-known podcasting 2.0 app

1517
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:12,490
is getting harassed by a specific content.

1518
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:15,530
You know, pod, pod, pod, content creator, podcaster.

1519
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:15,850
Yes.

1520
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:16,310
Yes.

1521
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:20,830
Now, now tip-free, now tax-free tips.

1522
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:27,770
And the, this podcaster is submitted a, a

1523
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:30,550
complaint, a complaint to the app store.

1524
00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:32,770
To the Apple app store wanting to get

1525
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:37,990
this, this 2.0 podcast app removed for

1526
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:40,570
not, uh, let me see if I can

1527
00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:41,890
pull up the email.

1528
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:43,110
It's unbelievable.

1529
00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:45,670
I've not seen any, I, this is the

1530
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:46,850
first time I've seen this.

1531
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:49,210
I mean, I told Tina about this because

1532
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:51,170
what they say, I, I can remember it's

1533
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:53,750
like this, this app is going against your

1534
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:55,870
guidelines and scraping and steal.

1535
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:57,670
I don't think they said stealing, but scraping

1536
00:56:57,670 --> 00:57:01,390
our content and publishing it without our authorization.

1537
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:05,190
Yeah, this is an update regarding this.

1538
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:08,390
This was written from the podcaster to Apple's

1539
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:09,010
app store.

1540
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:13,430
Uh, dear blah, blah, blah, Apple.

1541
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:16,370
Uh, we are, we are writing as the

1542
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:18,710
rights holders of the following podcast titles, blah,

1543
00:57:18,790 --> 00:57:19,390
blah, blah, blah, blah.

1544
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:22,170
And they list out five different podcasts.

1545
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:25,050
This is an update regarding our prior complaint

1546
00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:28,510
and formal DMCA takedown requests related to fill

1547
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:29,110
in the blank app.

1548
00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:30,390
Oh, I didn't see it was a formal

1549
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:30,990
DMCA.

1550
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:31,710
That's a new one.

1551
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:32,630
I must not have received.

1552
00:57:32,770 --> 00:57:34,170
I was waiting for the DMCA.

1553
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:39,490
Now, now this podcast app, the, the, this

1554
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:42,450
podcast app developer says that he never received

1555
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:43,650
a DMCA from these people.

1556
00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:46,690
So this is all, he's like, I never

1557
00:57:46,690 --> 00:57:47,490
got anything from you.

1558
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:48,370
I don't know what you're talking about.

1559
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:52,290
Uh, which continues to distribute and cash our

1560
00:57:52,290 --> 00:57:53,430
shows without authorization.

1561
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:55,610
Despite ample notice, the app has failed to

1562
00:57:55,610 --> 00:57:57,070
act on our removal demand.

1563
00:57:57,670 --> 00:58:00,530
It was never granted permission to scrape ingest

1564
00:58:00,530 --> 00:58:03,110
or display our RSS feeds or podcast content.

1565
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:05,230
And yet it continues to misrepresent our shows

1566
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:05,870
to the public.

1567
00:58:06,310 --> 00:58:09,130
This ongoing behavior represents a violation of Apple's

1568
00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:12,190
developer program license agreement, non-compliance with the

1569
00:58:12,190 --> 00:58:14,790
DMCA, a potential violation of general debt of

1570
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:17,550
GDPR and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1571
00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:20,050
And it says, uh, we are formally requesting

1572
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:22,850
that Apple initiate removal of this app from

1573
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:25,170
the app store until full compliance is confirmed

1574
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:27,550
in accordance with Apple's established content protection and

1575
00:58:27,550 --> 00:58:28,330
enforcement procedures.

1576
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:34,730
And so they, so Apple just forwards this,

1577
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:37,810
you know, thing over, uh, to the app

1578
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:40,850
developer and it's like, you know, Hey, uh,

1579
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:42,790
what's going on?

1580
00:58:42,990 --> 00:58:45,450
You know, it's your responsibility to, they said,

1581
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:48,330
it's your responsibility to resolve this issue directly

1582
00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:48,950
with them.

1583
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:52,050
Uh, and further that you are responsible for

1584
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,230
any liability to Apple in connection with this

1585
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:54,510
matter.

1586
00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:57,870
Uh, we look forward to confirmation that this

1587
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:58,650
has been resolved.

1588
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:01,950
This is from Apple legal is sent, they

1589
00:59:01,950 --> 00:59:03,370
sent this over to the app developer.

1590
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:08,970
And so, you know, this, this podcaster who

1591
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:13,610
did this recently sent us an email saying,

1592
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:17,210
Hey, I noticed that our shows are not

1593
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:18,430
up to date on your platform.

1594
00:59:18,550 --> 00:59:19,630
Can you please refresh them?

1595
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:21,750
And that's the same person.

1596
00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:22,870
Yes.

1597
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:25,710
So they want to be listed on podcast

1598
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:29,830
index, but the app uses us to get

1599
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:31,290
their, to get their data.

1600
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:34,350
And so, or excuse me, uses us for

1601
00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:34,970
a search engine.

1602
00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:37,290
And, but they don't want to be in

1603
00:59:37,290 --> 00:59:38,050
that app.

1604
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:40,770
The people, these people are nuts.

1605
00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:44,910
And so I, this got me thinking this

1606
00:59:44,910 --> 00:59:54,850
happens so often, um, that should, should there

1607
00:59:54,850 --> 01:00:01,920
be some sort of like, um, yeah, you're

1608
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,200
yes, Eric, you're right.

1609
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,820
I didn't realize that he had posted that

1610
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:05,180
publicly.

1611
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,680
It is Jason at podcast guru.

1612
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:07,080
Yes.

1613
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:13,480
Um, the, should there be some kind of

1614
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,940
website that we all as smart people, and

1615
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:21,520
I'm saying when I, the, the, we, I'm

1616
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,920
talking about is us, you know, cradling the

1617
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,920
hosting companies, Apple, please.

1618
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,540
Apple, Ted, throw us a bone.

1619
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,200
Can we all just come together and write

1620
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,880
a simple webpage that explains in, in full

1621
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:49,640
legal terminology that you, as a, if you

1622
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,600
publish a podcast publicly on the internet, that

1623
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,800
it's just like a webpage and you, there

1624
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
are no rights that are exchanged in this

1625
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:59,620
process.

1626
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,120
Can, can we, can we please just write

1627
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,660
a page that explains this to other people

1628
01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:07,720
and their lawyers so that when people do

1629
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,600
this crap and they send the emails to

1630
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,900
us saying, you have not signed an agreement

1631
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:13,700
with us to distribute our content.

1632
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,300
We can just point them back to this

1633
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:16,720
page.

1634
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:19,840
This this signed by all like everybody in

1635
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,560
podcasting and just says, here's the, how this

1636
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,300
stuff works.

1637
01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:26,900
If you don't want it listed, file it,

1638
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,280
you know, do this and this and this

1639
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,540
done because this is just a real, this,

1640
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:34,720
this James has to deal with this.

1641
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,740
We have to deal with it.

1642
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,020
The developers, the ad developers have to deal

1643
01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:38,340
with it.

1644
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,860
It's just so annoying.

1645
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,620
Well, I think that's a good idea.

1646
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,320
And actually the person, the, the person I

1647
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,260
can think to organize and do that as

1648
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:49,000
James, he's just good at that stuff.

1649
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,020
And, uh, and that will be phenomenal if

1650
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:54,960
he did that, but I guarantee you it

1651
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,800
will not stop people from doing this.

1652
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,940
There is, and I told Tina this story,

1653
01:01:58,940 --> 01:02:00,780
she says, are these people nuts?

1654
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,520
Don't they want distribution?

1655
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:04,660
I said, yeah, that's exactly it.

1656
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:07,880
But there's a belief, you know, cause the

1657
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,660
word platform always shows up in these requests

1658
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:14,420
remove this from your platform because they believe

1659
01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:17,940
in their puny little minds that we're somehow

1660
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:21,680
making money off of them that I truly

1661
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,800
believe that's what they think.

1662
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,820
Like, Oh, these guys are stealing my content,

1663
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:26,080
making money off of it.

1664
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,240
Oh, this app is like charging two 99

1665
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,900
a month for premium features.

1666
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,000
I should get a piece of that.

1667
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:33,900
Um, yeah.

1668
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,080
And that was in this email.

1669
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:37,380
It said something about they continue to monetize

1670
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:38,060
our content.

1671
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,240
Exactly.

1672
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,340
So it is my, cause I thought about

1673
01:02:42,340 --> 01:02:47,460
this and I think most of the apps,

1674
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,440
I think certainly podcast guru will allow you

1675
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,120
to, um, add an RSS feed.

1676
01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:59,740
And when someone does something like that, to

1677
01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:01,700
me, it's like, send me the URL and

1678
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:03,700
I'll just, I'll, I'll mark it dead.

1679
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,220
Goodbye.

1680
01:03:04,220 --> 01:03:06,820
You see, the problem is that the app,

1681
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,780
the customer for the apps is the listener

1682
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:11,300
and then they get mad.

1683
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:13,280
Like I can't get this fabulous podcast.

1684
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,080
Now, I don't know how often that happens

1685
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,440
when something's not available.

1686
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,880
And then, you know, you, I don't know.

1687
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,600
Um, but then you should be able to

1688
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,220
add it manually, I guess.

1689
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160
But people like that, they just block them

1690
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,080
just goodbye.

1691
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,900
Um, no, I mean, if you, if you,

1692
01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:35,600
and I would say here's, because I do

1693
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:36,320
this all the time.

1694
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,700
I'll get, um, I was just looking at

1695
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:39,200
the email.

1696
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,160
Um, so I get, uh, let me see.

1697
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,140
Hi, I want to remove the podcast, blah,

1698
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:49,400
blah, blah from your feed.

1699
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,580
So all platforms you distribute to deletes the

1700
01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:52,860
show.

1701
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,760
I'm the creator.

1702
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:54,600
Okay.

1703
01:03:55,820 --> 01:03:57,640
Um, we got another one here.

1704
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,520
Um, uh, where is it?

1705
01:04:03,220 --> 01:04:07,280
Uh, kindly remove my show from your platform.

1706
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,500
And so I write back and I said,

1707
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:10,300
done.

1708
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,940
Please note that we are not a platform,

1709
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:12,560
but an index.

1710
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:14,800
Your podcast will no longer be accessible on

1711
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,520
these apps and services with a link to

1712
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,320
podcastindex.org slash apps.

1713
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,780
And they're like, thank you for your response.

1714
01:04:21,540 --> 01:04:24,000
Um, you know, so I would like, what

1715
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,500
I'd like to do is send them a

1716
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,560
reply and say, this is the result of,

1717
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:32,540
of it being gone.

1718
01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:35,500
And this is how we believe podcasting works

1719
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:37,300
and a link to the page that I

1720
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:39,520
hope James will consider writing.

1721
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,280
And, you know, we'll certainly plead for people

1722
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,680
to, uh, to jump on board and sign

1723
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:44,900
it.

1724
01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:49,000
Uh, but then just delete them.

1725
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,720
Bye.

1726
01:04:52,780 --> 01:04:54,860
Yeah, I don't see any of them because,

1727
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,520
you know, the last thing we want is

1728
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,820
for Apple legal who are, you know, I'm

1729
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:01,280
sure they're, they're annoyed by this, but they're

1730
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,580
just going to, at a certain point, they're

1731
01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:05,300
just going to take a sledgehammer if they

1732
01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:06,040
get enough of these.

1733
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:07,080
And we don't want that.

1734
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:11,200
No, we don't want, this was, I've always

1735
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,320
just, just thought, you know, we've dealt with

1736
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,980
this with people trying to, you know, threaten

1737
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:16,380
us.

1738
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,680
Oh, wait, I have a better idea.

1739
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:18,860
I have a better idea.

1740
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:20,120
I just came up with a better idea.

1741
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,380
Would you like to hear my better idea?

1742
01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:23,160
I love your better ideas.

1743
01:05:23,260 --> 01:05:23,420
Okay.

1744
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,700
So when someone requests this of an app,

1745
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,880
we have a special button.

1746
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:30,780
You got to tap it seven times.

1747
01:05:32,020 --> 01:05:32,480
Special.

1748
01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:36,680
There's a little pie sign.

1749
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:38,280
You got to tap that five times.

1750
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:41,600
Love you, Paul.

1751
01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:44,880
And when you do that, uh, then it

1752
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,660
will show up in the podcast app, but

1753
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:53,500
it'll say the creator has requested this be

1754
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:54,060
removed.

1755
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:00,110
And you can contact them here and publish

1756
01:06:00,110 --> 01:06:00,950
their email address.

1757
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:03,300
No.

1758
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:04,980
How about that?

1759
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:07,900
Yeah, that's a good, yeah.

1760
01:06:08,660 --> 01:06:10,960
That's, and you know, it just shows up.

1761
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,960
It's like no episodes just shows up.

1762
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:15,900
And this podcast has been requested to be

1763
01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:17,260
removed from podcast index.

1764
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:22,020
Uh, if, if you, uh, if you, you

1765
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:23,820
know, if you have questions about this contact,

1766
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:25,900
uh, the person who requested it to be

1767
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:26,320
removed.

1768
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,340
Yeah, that would work.

1769
01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:30,500
Sure.

1770
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:32,680
We have a special email address that will

1771
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,640
receive these emails.

1772
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:34,420
And Daniel J.

1773
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:35,940
Lewis makes a very valid point.

1774
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:37,500
Of course, as this is where the block

1775
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,540
tag should be used, but obviously that's, uh,

1776
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,240
well, see, I just, that could be also

1777
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,920
on whatever this explainer page thing is.

1778
01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:53,680
You know, here it says, here's welcome lawyer

1779
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,380
that doesn't understand podcasting.

1780
01:06:55,780 --> 01:06:57,660
Hi, I'm the pod father.

1781
01:06:57,900 --> 01:06:59,400
Let me scold you for a moment.

1782
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,700
Let me tell you all the stuff that

1783
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:04,220
you don't know.

1784
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,460
With a picture of me pointing my finger,

1785
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,780
wagging my finger at him.

1786
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,080
Yeah.

1787
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,460
And, um, and just, you know, like firstly,

1788
01:07:15,580 --> 01:07:16,980
this is how podcasting works.

1789
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,420
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1790
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,320
If you want to block it, if you

1791
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,840
want, if you want somebody not to have

1792
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,140
your show, use the blog tag.

1793
01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:24,360
And this is what you do bubble.

1794
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,940
I just like, I know people aren't necessarily

1795
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:29,600
going to read this stuff, but at least

1796
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,680
it would take the burden off trying to

1797
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,160
do bespoke emails back and forth with all

1798
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,640
these people, where you can just reply and

1799
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,520
say, I won't, uh, if you want this

1800
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,500
removed, uh, it has, here's a link to

1801
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:44,580
the page explaining how podcasting works and the,

1802
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,600
and how I'm not legally liable for your

1803
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,240
supposed slide.

1804
01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:49,900
Yeah.

1805
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,660
And then also here's a DMCA address.

1806
01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:57,000
You must send me a DMCA and I

1807
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,060
will, I will remove it or forward it

1808
01:07:59,060 --> 01:08:00,220
to podcast index.

1809
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:00,740
Right.

1810
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,880
Like I just, I don't know.

1811
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,240
It's this, this one got me because they,

1812
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,320
they, because they're wanting to take podcast guru

1813
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,180
off the app store.

1814
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,860
And I'm like, what?

1815
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:13,740
You've gone too far.

1816
01:08:14,060 --> 01:08:15,600
You've just gone too far.

1817
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,439
It's not okay to, you know, to threaten

1818
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,520
somebody's livelihood because you, you know, cause you

1819
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,220
think you know something and it's not, that's,

1820
01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:27,220
that's not cool, man.

1821
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:29,580
Um, so I don't know.

1822
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,939
Maybe James has some, has some thoughts about

1823
01:08:31,939 --> 01:08:32,120
this.

1824
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:33,640
He may have already, he may have some

1825
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:33,979
pages.

1826
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,000
He's dealt with this so much.

1827
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:36,520
He may have some pages already that we

1828
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,640
could bring together into something that could be

1829
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,660
like brought more broadly agreed to by everybody

1830
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:44,260
involved.

1831
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:45,520
Podcast standards project.

1832
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:46,979
This sounds like a great thing for them

1833
01:08:46,979 --> 01:08:47,500
to endorse.

1834
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:48,740
Yes, exactly.

1835
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,439
Hey, um, congratulations to Daniel J.

1836
01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:54,660
Lewis on the release of his pod chapters,

1837
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,520
podchapters.com.

1838
01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:57,620
Yeah.

1839
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:58,760
We, we got to get him back on

1840
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:59,060
the.

1841
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:59,479
Yeah.

1842
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:00,359
We got to get them on the show.

1843
01:09:00,420 --> 01:09:02,479
This, this is pretty extensive.

1844
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,580
I haven't used it yet, but I saw

1845
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:06,060
a preview of it and like, this is

1846
01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:07,620
actually pretty cool idea.

1847
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,580
The only thing is I've started using, um,

1848
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,260
rss.com for a couple of different projects

1849
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:14,880
and I don't think you can add a

1850
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,580
separate, uh, chapter, a link to a chapter

1851
01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:23,260
file, but I, I, I like this whole,

1852
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:24,540
and I don't think so.

1853
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:25,620
It could be wrong.

1854
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,200
I mean, you can do chapters that have

1855
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,640
a little chapter at, I'm always to make

1856
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,760
sure I'm saying this right.

1857
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:34,120
Um, it's podchapters.com by the way.

1858
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:34,800
Did I?

1859
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:35,800
Oh, did I not say that?

1860
01:09:35,819 --> 01:09:36,020
Yes.

1861
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:37,000
Podchapters.com.

1862
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:37,800
Oh, look at Daniel.

1863
01:09:37,859 --> 01:09:40,399
He has podchapter.com without the S as

1864
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:40,620
well.

1865
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:41,540
You pro.

1866
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:42,439
Wow.

1867
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:43,779
Man.

1868
01:09:44,420 --> 01:09:44,800
Let me see.

1869
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:46,520
So click on chapters.

1870
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:47,140
Here we go.

1871
01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:48,300
Chapters.

1872
01:09:50,859 --> 01:09:54,140
And, um, now they have a, a chapter

1873
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:57,760
editor, but not, uh, not a way to

1874
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,180
import a file, which, which is too bad.

1875
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:08,080
Um, cause I really love this product and,

1876
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,600
uh, I'm going to get Dreb Scott a

1877
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,080
subscription.

1878
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:13,380
Cause man, would this make his life easier?

1879
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:15,860
Well, actually make everyone's life easier.

1880
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,600
I mean, it's smart chapter suggestions.

1881
01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:24,140
Uh, it does transcription works with any MP3,

1882
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,780
no apps to install.

1883
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,860
And, and it will also, uh, update your,

1884
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,140
your ID three tags in your file, which

1885
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:35,100
I'm sure nobody at the hosting companies will

1886
01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:35,860
be happy with.

1887
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:38,600
This looks like it took a long time

1888
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,060
to build.

1889
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:40,700
Yeah, it does.

1890
01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:43,520
This is, this, uh, this was not a,

1891
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:44,780
this was not a chump.

1892
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:45,180
Yeah.

1893
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:45,700
Hold on a second.

1894
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Let me go to product here.

1895
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,580
Let me go to chat GPT.

1896
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:50,520
Okay.

1897
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,200
Let me see.

1898
01:10:51,340 --> 01:10:51,660
Pricing.

1899
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:52,700
Join the wait list.

1900
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,000
Ooh, I'm going to join the wait list.

1901
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,240
Please build this app for me.

1902
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,940
Let's see what it does.

1903
01:11:07,940 --> 01:11:08,720
Yeah.

1904
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:11,740
Thinking longer for a better answer.

1905
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:11,960
Yeah.

1906
01:11:11,980 --> 01:11:12,720
You bet you are.

1907
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,960
I'm going to vibe code.

1908
01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:16,260
I'm going to vibe code it.

1909
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:18,440
I just joined the waiting list.

1910
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:20,040
Oh, oh, oh.

1911
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,780
Here, Daniel, he says rss.com will read

1912
01:11:22,780 --> 01:11:25,480
the chapters from the MP3s ID three tags.

1913
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,880
Oh, that's very cool.

1914
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:28,940
Okay.

1915
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:29,660
I'll do that.

1916
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:30,740
Excellent.

1917
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:31,620
Problem solved.

1918
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,720
So he's saying that they'll read from the

1919
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,940
MP3 ID, ID three tags and then build

1920
01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:36,340
a chapter.

1921
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:36,700
Yes.

1922
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,700
Oh, that's excellent.

1923
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:42,120
Oh, that's interop right there, baby.

1924
01:11:42,580 --> 01:11:43,320
Love that.

1925
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:44,940
Hmm.

1926
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:45,520
Interesting.

1927
01:11:45,860 --> 01:11:46,060
Okay.

1928
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:47,540
I'll take it.

1929
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:47,980
Chapters.

1930
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,400
Cast a chapters app.

1931
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:51,640
Yeah.

1932
01:11:51,740 --> 01:11:54,340
Chapters app is what we built.

1933
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,100
Oh, wait, here we got some pricing.

1934
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:58,560
Five bucks a month.

1935
01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:59,340
Okay.

1936
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:00,520
Oh, man.

1937
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,440
Five bucks a month for a forecast.

1938
01:12:06,340 --> 01:12:07,460
It's 20 bucks.

1939
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:10,300
What's 20 bucks?

1940
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,580
How do we go from five to 24

1941
01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:13,020
cat?

1942
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:15,600
No, he's, he's got this thing that says,

1943
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,700
um, he's like comparing, Oh, price comparison, chart,

1944
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:20,880
price comparison thing.

1945
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:22,680
Yeah, it's like all the different things.

1946
01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:24,320
So I was looking, looking at it.

1947
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,080
Um, yeah, we'll get, we'll get Daniel back

1948
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:27,860
on here and talk about it.

1949
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:28,180
Yeah.

1950
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,620
By the way, Chad, GPT is already planning

1951
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:32,180
out the MVP features.

1952
01:12:33,620 --> 01:12:34,300
What do you mean?

1953
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:37,300
Well, I just gave it the podchapters.com

1954
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,920
URL and it said, okay, I'll build this

1955
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,320
for you.

1956
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,280
Oh, you did.

1957
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,820
You say, build me, build me, build this

1958
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:45,260
for me.

1959
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:46,700
Okay.

1960
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:48,660
It's building an API.

1961
01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:50,820
It's got Jason going.

1962
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,020
Oh, this is amazing.

1963
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:53,720
Oh no.

1964
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,280
You put Daniel, you're in trouble.

1965
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,040
You're going to get, you're going to get

1966
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,520
Sherlock's by the end of this program.

1967
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,420
I'm telling you, man, I'm dangerous with the,

1968
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:02,300
with the vibe coding.

1969
01:13:03,460 --> 01:13:04,260
It's funny.

1970
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:05,060
Ribbit, ribbit.

1971
01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:06,160
No, it's great, Daniel.

1972
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:07,640
And thanks for that.

1973
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,580
I don't know if that's in your, in

1974
01:13:09,580 --> 01:13:11,060
your FAQs, but it should be.

1975
01:13:11,140 --> 01:13:11,960
That's fantastic.

1976
01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:12,920
Okay, I'll try it out.

1977
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,160
I'm looking forward to it.

1978
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:16,340
I was going to try it out anyway,

1979
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:19,200
but I can just hear Dreb Scott going,

1980
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:20,620
I'm not needed anymore.

1981
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:24,680
Oh, uh, Spurlock posted a chart that said,

1982
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,040
uh, the index has healed itself.

1983
01:13:28,540 --> 01:13:29,680
Physician, heal thyself.

1984
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:34,160
This is, uh, is our numbers are coming

1985
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,400
back up from the, from the, the, the

1986
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,920
plunge in August is now, is now reverted

1987
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,480
and is now back up to normal.

1988
01:13:42,220 --> 01:13:42,620
Yay.

1989
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:45,640
All right.

1990
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:46,320
What else did I have?

1991
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:46,860
Do you have anything?

1992
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,140
Do you have anything else on your list

1993
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:52,060
for stuff that we haven't talked about?

1994
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,220
This was a nerdy episode.

1995
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:53,780
I like it.

1996
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:54,240
I like it.

1997
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:56,200
A lot of index database talk.

1998
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,000
It was kind of database story time in

1999
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:58,400
a way.

2000
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:59,860
Oh, a little bit.

2001
01:13:59,860 --> 01:14:01,040
Yeah, it was a little bit of database

2002
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:01,560
story time.

2003
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:07,880
Um, the, I heard James and, um, uh,

2004
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,820
Sam talking about, uh, the hosting company pricing

2005
01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:13,220
because Blueberry raised their pricing.

2006
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:14,640
Yeah.

2007
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:17,020
It's like, uh, what, like 20 bucks or

2008
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:17,300
something.

2009
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:18,180
What did they do?

2010
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:19,640
Yeah.

2011
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,120
It's like, um, 25%.

2012
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,620
Is that what is 25% increase?

2013
01:14:25,780 --> 01:14:28,980
No one has increased their prices in 20

2014
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:29,460
years.

2015
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:30,700
Is that what I, what I heard them

2016
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:31,020
say?

2017
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:32,640
That's what, that's what Todd said.

2018
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:33,860
That's amazing.

2019
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:35,140
I believe it.

2020
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:36,580
I mean, I believe it.

2021
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:38,200
They don't ever change pricing.

2022
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:39,280
Hmm.

2023
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,900
It's a, I mean, hosting the host, the

2024
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:47,040
podcast hosting business is a good business.

2025
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,480
If you do it, if you do it

2026
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:49,880
well, you do a good job.

2027
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,360
I mean, you know, you can make money

2028
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,980
that, you know, you make, you can make

2029
01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:55,160
some good money that way, but, but you

2030
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,560
really, it's a lot of competition.

2031
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:58,820
No kidding.

2032
01:14:58,820 --> 01:15:00,520
A lot of competition in that, in that

2033
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:00,840
world.

2034
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,200
And so you, you really are price locked,

2035
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,380
you know, you're going to have, it's a

2036
01:15:06,380 --> 01:15:07,920
real, I have a lot of respect for

2037
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,320
Todd just sticking his neck out and saying,

2038
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,240
Hey, we got to do this.

2039
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:11,000
Absolutely.

2040
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,900
He's got a whole company to think of.

2041
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,220
I, I completely understand it completely.

2042
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,860
And, um, you know, the, the free, the

2043
01:15:20,860 --> 01:15:25,860
free hosting companies like Spotify for podcasters, like,

2044
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:32,380
you know, we see this a lot on

2045
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:32,940
the backend.

2046
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:35,000
People don't, people don't see it as much

2047
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:35,580
as we do.

2048
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,340
Like, uh, uh, Dobie Doss sent me an

2049
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:41,220
email that I'm going to have to fix

2050
01:15:41,220 --> 01:15:44,700
a few feeds because they moved, uh, they

2051
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:48,100
moved from Spotify for podcasters over to a

2052
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:51,100
different host because Spotify for podcasters kicked, kicked

2053
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,320
them off because they had music in their

2054
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:53,800
podcast.

2055
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,900
And so that is against their terms of

2056
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:57,220
service.

2057
01:15:57,380 --> 01:15:59,140
And they were just like, Nope, goodbye.

2058
01:15:59,240 --> 01:15:59,680
You're gone.

2059
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,220
And so they just shut them down.

2060
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:02,260
Yeah.

2061
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,620
You know, if you're not paying for the,

2062
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,640
if you're not paying for your podcast hosting.

2063
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:07,140
Yeah.

2064
01:16:07,340 --> 01:16:08,920
You, you, you get what you deserve.

2065
01:16:09,020 --> 01:16:10,640
You get what you pay for nothing.

2066
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:11,880
You're getting a free, yeah, you get a

2067
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,240
free product and you get in for free.

2068
01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:16,620
Did I hear from, uh, Chris at this

2069
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:18,340
week in Bitcoin, I think he said that,

2070
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:23,280
um, that on Apple, uh, people are listening

2071
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,620
to this week in Bitcoin Apple.

2072
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:26,380
He always does a value for value song

2073
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:28,300
at the end that they, that, that was

2074
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:28,860
cut off.

2075
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:30,140
I don't know if that was an anomaly

2076
01:16:30,140 --> 01:16:35,820
or, uh, on Apple's on, on the Apple

2077
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,680
podcast that because it was music.

2078
01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:40,300
Yeah.

2079
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:40,800
Really?

2080
01:16:41,180 --> 01:16:41,480
Yes.

2081
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:42,220
Surely not.

2082
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:42,760
Yeah.

2083
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:44,080
That's what he said.

2084
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,380
That's what I thought he said.

2085
01:16:45,460 --> 01:16:47,160
Um, you know, I have to go back

2086
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:47,560
and listen.

2087
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,420
I know, I can't imagine.

2088
01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:51,320
I know he didn't receive my boost though,

2089
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:54,560
because I said, well, because I hooked up

2090
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,620
strike to my podcast guru.

2091
01:16:56,900 --> 01:16:59,660
And of course he has a key send

2092
01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:00,680
receive only.

2093
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,640
Oh really?

2094
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:03,180
Yeah.

2095
01:17:03,260 --> 01:17:04,880
But I thought, but if you have like

2096
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,440
an Albi hub set up, you can just

2097
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:09,420
do the, can't you then do both?

2098
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:12,620
I would think, yeah, that's, that would be

2099
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:14,020
weird that he would not be able to,

2100
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:14,860
to receive.

2101
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,340
Cause you could receive that through fountain too.

2102
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,780
Well, he has, he has his own whole,

2103
01:17:19,780 --> 01:17:21,920
his own note and everything all set up.

2104
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,240
So he's self-hosting everything.

2105
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:24,560
Yeah.

2106
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:25,480
That's, that's true.

2107
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:26,780
Bum me out.

2108
01:17:26,980 --> 01:17:29,240
That would be, that would be really weird.

2109
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:33,240
If that, that would be a bit like

2110
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,460
a humongous development.

2111
01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:38,360
If Apple was editing the content of podcasts

2112
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,080
on the fly to pull music out.

2113
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Surely not.

2114
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:44,520
Surely not.

2115
01:17:44,700 --> 01:17:45,380
I don't know.

2116
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:46,560
I don't know.

2117
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,080
Spotify does it all the time.

2118
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,060
They just remove the episode, like, no violation.

2119
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:52,700
You got music in there and they do

2120
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:54,500
it for all kinds of stuff that is

2121
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:55,640
not actually a violation.

2122
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Yeah.

2123
01:17:57,780 --> 01:18:00,420
But see, I always thought my understanding of

2124
01:18:00,420 --> 01:18:05,900
that was that Spotify had to play by

2125
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:07,860
a different set of rules because they were

2126
01:18:07,860 --> 01:18:11,100
so beholden to the music rights holders in

2127
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:12,420
a way that Apple was not.

2128
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,160
Like basically the, the Spotify, it looks like

2129
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,820
you've said a hundred times, Spotify is, Spotify

2130
01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:22,560
is owned by the record companies.

2131
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,560
And so they're, they're just, they have rules

2132
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,640
that, that a company like Apple just doesn't.

2133
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,840
And I can't imagine.

2134
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:37,200
I surely not.

2135
01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:38,280
It's surely not.

2136
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:41,180
I mean, that's just what I heard.

2137
01:18:41,180 --> 01:18:42,500
I could be wrong.

2138
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,140
On the most recent episode.

2139
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:44,740
Yeah.

2140
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,940
Although the podfather is rarely wrong, but it's,

2141
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:47,700
it could be.

2142
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:50,920
Don't double check me, bro.

2143
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,680
Um, I don't, I don't know.

2144
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:55,900
Yeah.

2145
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:57,140
I'll have to go listen to that episode.

2146
01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:00,860
Cause I'm curious now what, uh, what, what

2147
01:19:00,860 --> 01:19:02,280
he said, because I know, I know that

2148
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:07,580
like there's, there's value for value.

2149
01:19:07,580 --> 01:19:10,780
Wave Lake shows on Apple's directory, right?

2150
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920
That I'm again, I really don't know.

2151
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:15,940
I really don't know.

2152
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:23,710
Uh, can you tell me this?

2153
01:19:24,170 --> 01:19:31,010
Um, does the split kit you're using split

2154
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:31,510
kit, right?

2155
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:33,510
Uh, haven't you produced this feed?

2156
01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:34,550
No, no.

2157
01:19:34,570 --> 01:19:35,690
I use sovereign feeds.

2158
01:19:36,270 --> 01:19:36,830
Okay.

2159
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:40,350
But if I, if I, if I put

2160
01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:41,750
in music, then I use split kit.

2161
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:47,170
Um, the, uh, so split.

2162
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:50,890
So sovereign feeds, does it support alternate enclosure?

2163
01:19:51,550 --> 01:19:52,690
Let me double check.

2164
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:53,430
I believe so.

2165
01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:55,010
Um, let me see.

2166
01:19:59,190 --> 01:19:59,750
Enclosure.

2167
01:20:00,710 --> 01:20:01,270
Yes.

2168
01:20:01,330 --> 01:20:02,930
Alternate enclosures right here.

2169
01:20:03,530 --> 01:20:03,870
Sweet.

2170
01:20:04,150 --> 01:20:04,350
Okay.

2171
01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:10,730
Can we next week, can I, I would

2172
01:20:10,730 --> 01:20:12,590
like to spin up OBS.

2173
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:14,370
You're going to do video, right?

2174
01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:17,190
To do video live with the alternate enclosure.

2175
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:19,130
Yeah, of course.

2176
01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:20,090
See what happens.

2177
01:20:20,350 --> 01:20:20,750
Of course.

2178
01:20:21,310 --> 01:20:21,790
Absolutely.

2179
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:23,410
Okay, cool.

2180
01:20:23,490 --> 01:20:23,950
We'll do it.

2181
01:20:23,970 --> 01:20:25,470
We'll do an, uh, live, we'll do an

2182
01:20:25,470 --> 01:20:29,290
experiment live on the fly and see if,

2183
01:20:29,290 --> 01:20:34,810
uh, see which apps can handle it and

2184
01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:36,630
we'll stick the, uh, I'll figure out how

2185
01:20:36,630 --> 01:20:37,350
to do the HLS.

2186
01:20:37,690 --> 01:20:39,750
It'll be known as the lost episode.

2187
01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:40,970
The lost.

2188
01:20:44,290 --> 01:20:46,190
Remember episode two 30, whatever.

2189
01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:47,450
No one ever heard.

2190
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:51,890
What happened to it?

2191
01:20:51,930 --> 01:20:52,550
I don't know.

2192
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:58,470
It went down the alternate enclosure rabbit hole.

2193
01:20:58,610 --> 01:21:00,030
Yeah, that should be cool.

2194
01:21:00,030 --> 01:21:02,130
And does it save it to the cloud

2195
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:04,030
when you're using OBS or do you have

2196
01:21:04,030 --> 01:21:05,650
to save it and then send me a

2197
01:21:05,650 --> 01:21:06,450
URL or?

2198
01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:08,270
Well, I'm going to have to find a,

2199
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:09,410
I think what I'm going to need to

2200
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:11,170
do is find a pure tube instance.

2201
01:21:13,570 --> 01:21:16,730
Because so at in a tube, uh, rest

2202
01:21:16,730 --> 01:21:21,590
in peace in a tube could do this

2203
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:23,970
where you could, you know, OBS up to

2204
01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:26,070
two in a tube, and then it would

2205
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:28,610
throw it out as an HLS stream.

2206
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:31,590
So I can, I'm going to find if

2207
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:33,770
anybody has any suggestions on which peer tube

2208
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:35,850
instance I should use, I'm going to find

2209
01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:38,690
a peer tube instance and, and OBS it

2210
01:21:38,690 --> 01:21:39,390
up to there.

2211
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:44,230
And then we'll see which apps can handle

2212
01:21:44,230 --> 01:21:44,410
it.

2213
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:45,130
True fans.

2214
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:48,430
I'm thinking my, my gut tells me that

2215
01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:49,870
true fans can handle it.

2216
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:50,470
Yeah.

2217
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:52,710
Yes.

2218
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:55,870
You just dummy throw the sink at it

2219
01:21:55,870 --> 01:21:57,130
and it'll, it'll handle it.

2220
01:21:59,410 --> 01:22:00,210
Um, owncast.

2221
01:22:00,770 --> 01:22:01,170
Okay.

2222
01:22:01,330 --> 01:22:02,690
Capnswip has his own cast.

2223
01:22:03,010 --> 01:22:03,330
Okay.

2224
01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:04,010
I'll try.

2225
01:22:04,110 --> 01:22:04,730
I'll figure that out.

2226
01:22:04,750 --> 01:22:06,430
If somebody else has, I mean, I don't,

2227
01:22:06,610 --> 01:22:09,290
uh, I don't know if I can spin

2228
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:09,770
that up.

2229
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:11,010
I mean, like, I'm not sure if I

2230
01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:12,270
was at zap.stream. Okay.

2231
01:22:13,290 --> 01:22:13,530
Yeah.

2232
01:22:13,630 --> 01:22:16,330
Any suggestions are welcome for which service to

2233
01:22:16,330 --> 01:22:16,530
use.

2234
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:18,730
And then, um, I'm thinking true fans will

2235
01:22:18,730 --> 01:22:19,090
handle it.

2236
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:20,810
And I'm fountain.

2237
01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:23,430
Didn't they say they can do video?

2238
01:22:23,550 --> 01:22:24,670
I think they do video now.

2239
01:22:24,990 --> 01:22:25,330
Okay.

2240
01:22:26,170 --> 01:22:28,210
I'm podcast guru for sure.

2241
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:28,950
Podcast guru.

2242
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:29,570
I'm pretty sure.

2243
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:30,310
Podcast guru.

2244
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:32,130
If they still exist in the app store

2245
01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:33,890
next week, we'll see if they, Hey everybody,

2246
01:22:34,030 --> 01:22:35,810
get your updates in quick for this, uh,

2247
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:37,550
this enormous test we're about to do.

2248
01:22:38,230 --> 01:22:39,630
Hurry up and download podcast guru.

2249
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:40,830
To make it complete.

2250
01:22:40,830 --> 01:22:43,210
Then let's also just do the roadcaster to

2251
01:22:43,210 --> 01:22:44,410
roadcaster connection.

2252
01:22:44,430 --> 01:22:46,350
Then, you know, we'll screw everything up.

2253
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:47,030
Oh yeah.

2254
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:48,130
We'll blow the whole thing up.

2255
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:51,890
It'll be known as the kamikaze episode.

2256
01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:57,610
Steer the, steer the plane directly into the

2257
01:22:57,610 --> 01:22:57,910
ground.

2258
01:22:58,290 --> 01:22:59,150
Here we go, everybody.

2259
01:22:59,650 --> 01:23:01,130
By the way, I just pasted the zip

2260
01:23:01,130 --> 01:23:05,010
file of, uh, my, uh, pod chapters clone

2261
01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:06,790
into the boardroom.

2262
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:08,450
Oh, I bet.

2263
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:11,570
How much Chinese, uh, it'll be full with

2264
01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:12,030
Kanji.

2265
01:23:12,130 --> 01:23:12,750
Of course.

2266
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:15,230
But, uh, yes, you've built a working MVP

2267
01:23:15,230 --> 01:23:17,410
that mirrors the core flow of pod chapters.

2268
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:18,830
Sure.

2269
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:23,770
What's inside in next.js app router plus

2270
01:23:23,770 --> 01:23:25,390
TypeScript plus tailwind.

2271
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:26,370
Oh my goodness.

2272
01:23:27,310 --> 01:23:28,930
Oh, it's basically, it's Daniel J.

2273
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:29,870
Lewis in a can.

2274
01:23:33,370 --> 01:23:34,230
That's it.

2275
01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:36,110
Daniel J.

2276
01:23:36,210 --> 01:23:37,190
Lewis in a can.

2277
01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:38,190
Yeah.

2278
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:40,130
Everybody wants, needs one of those.

2279
01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:43,390
It let him out.

2280
01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:46,010
Hey, let's thank some people, Dave.

2281
01:23:47,410 --> 01:23:49,210
We got some live boosts here.

2282
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:53,450
Eric PP sent us 3333, uh, from, uh,

2283
01:23:53,450 --> 01:23:54,670
from, uh, curio caster.

2284
01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:56,690
He says, enjoying the nerd talk today.

2285
01:23:57,670 --> 01:23:59,730
Uh, salty crayon, two 54.

2286
01:24:00,090 --> 01:24:03,310
Does the $25,000 in quote tips counter

2287
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:06,010
start over when we transfer that to cold

2288
01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:07,910
storage asking for a friend?

2289
01:24:08,350 --> 01:24:10,450
Well, no, I can tell you right now

2290
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:13,870
you should start counting it at the value.

2291
01:24:13,970 --> 01:24:14,910
This is how we do it.

2292
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:18,810
And the price of the average price of

2293
01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:20,990
the day you received it, that would be

2294
01:24:20,990 --> 01:24:21,730
your income.

2295
01:24:22,290 --> 01:24:25,730
And you've got to record it then, regardless

2296
01:24:25,730 --> 01:24:28,310
of what you do with it afterwards, not

2297
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:30,110
a tax lawyer, just telling you what we

2298
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:30,350
do.

2299
01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:33,010
Cause that's how you build your call spaces.

2300
01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:33,530
Yes.

2301
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:36,310
Uh, ping pong tests from salty crayon.

2302
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:38,030
Oh, that was before we started.

2303
01:24:38,730 --> 01:24:41,470
And, uh, oh, I got a pre-show

2304
01:24:41,470 --> 01:24:42,450
boost from Dreb Scott.

2305
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:46,590
He says, uh, 12,345 sets come blasted

2306
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:47,610
in from Castamatic.

2307
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:49,910
What's left of Dreb Scott.

2308
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:52,030
He's, he's shrinking away to nothing.

2309
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:52,310
Yeah.

2310
01:24:52,450 --> 01:24:53,290
We need an update.

2311
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:53,870
Let me see.

2312
01:24:53,930 --> 01:24:54,910
He says, pre-show boost.

2313
01:24:55,210 --> 01:24:58,070
I'm testing animated PNG and GIF files for

2314
01:24:58,070 --> 01:25:00,010
some of the chapters in episode two 32

2315
01:25:00,010 --> 01:25:02,270
of podcasting 2.0 for two 33.

2316
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:04,710
I'm including info at the end of chapter

2317
01:25:04,710 --> 01:25:07,690
titles to quickly show which image use a

2318
01:25:07,690 --> 01:25:09,550
type I used thought this might be a

2319
01:25:09,550 --> 01:25:10,930
good way for the boardroom to see which

2320
01:25:10,930 --> 01:25:12,250
apps support each file type.

2321
01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:13,230
This is a great idea.

2322
01:25:13,330 --> 01:25:13,510
Dreb.

2323
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:13,990
Thank you.

2324
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:17,550
Uh, two 33 will be late replacing corporate

2325
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:18,490
firewalls tonight.

2326
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:19,730
Woo.

2327
01:25:19,870 --> 01:25:20,870
Pray it all goes well.

2328
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:21,090
Yeah.

2329
01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:23,130
You need that and go podcasting.

2330
01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:23,910
Thank you very much.

2331
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:24,230
All right.

2332
01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:26,250
That's it for our, uh, our pre and

2333
01:25:26,250 --> 01:25:27,050
live show boosts.

2334
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:30,790
I had a firewall battle myself this week.

2335
01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:31,430
No fun.

2336
01:25:31,870 --> 01:25:32,030
Yeah.

2337
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:34,770
Uh, uh, these are all the PayPal.

2338
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:36,250
So these are mixed up.

2339
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:37,350
I didn't have time to print them before

2340
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:37,710
I left.

2341
01:25:38,190 --> 01:25:40,030
Uh, Jorge Hernandez, $5.

2342
01:25:40,290 --> 01:25:40,830
Thank you, Jorge.

2343
01:25:41,310 --> 01:25:43,330
Um, Kevin Bay, $5.

2344
01:25:43,630 --> 01:25:44,350
Thank you, Kevin.

2345
01:25:45,070 --> 01:25:46,790
Cameron Rose, 25 bucks.

2346
01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:47,430
Thank you, Cameron.

2347
01:25:47,970 --> 01:25:48,630
Uh, pod page.

2348
01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:49,170
That's Brendan.

2349
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:51,730
I think there's more than one person in

2350
01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:52,890
pod page, but maybe there's not.

2351
01:25:54,230 --> 01:25:56,690
Isn't, um, Dave Jackson over there now too.

2352
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:57,810
Dave Jackson.

2353
01:25:57,970 --> 01:25:58,410
That's right.

2354
01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:58,790
Yeah.

2355
01:25:58,890 --> 01:25:59,130
Yeah.

2356
01:25:59,410 --> 01:26:02,590
Dave and Brendan at pod page, 25 bucks.

2357
01:26:02,730 --> 01:26:03,150
Thank you guys.

2358
01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:03,630
Mark Graham.

2359
01:26:03,790 --> 01:26:04,950
We use them for this very show.

2360
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:08,230
Uh, top-notch product.

2361
01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:10,550
Mark Graham, $1.

2362
01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:11,610
Thank you, Mark.

2363
01:26:11,770 --> 01:26:12,410
And new media.

2364
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:13,750
That's Martin Lindeskog, $1.

2365
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,730
Uh, Oh, look at there.

2366
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:17,970
It's Oscar Mary at $200.

2367
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:18,890
Whoa.

2368
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:19,430
Thank you.

2369
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:26,710
You probably have, uh, Oscar on again soon

2370
01:26:26,710 --> 01:26:27,050
too.

2371
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:27,810
It's been a while.

2372
01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:28,630
We haven't heard from him.

2373
01:26:28,670 --> 01:26:29,210
It's been a while.

2374
01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:29,830
He's been quiet.

2375
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:30,670
He's been quiet.

2376
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:31,590
What's going on?

2377
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:33,430
We got to have Barry from pod page.

2378
01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:34,870
Yeah, I got to have Barry on.

2379
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:35,910
We got to bring people on.

2380
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:36,790
We need guests.

2381
01:26:37,390 --> 01:26:38,410
Start scheduling.

2382
01:26:38,830 --> 01:26:39,530
Let's do it, man.

2383
01:26:39,850 --> 01:26:40,330
Let's get the book.

2384
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:41,310
Somebody call the booker.

2385
01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:43,910
Call a pod match.

2386
01:26:46,330 --> 01:26:47,090
That's yeah.

2387
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:47,470
Pod match.

2388
01:26:47,630 --> 01:26:47,750
Alex.

2389
01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:48,250
Yeah.

2390
01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:49,230
Pod match.

2391
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:51,090
Get us some guests, Alex.

2392
01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:52,110
Yeah, please.

2393
01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:55,290
Uh, Joseph Maraca, the five bucks.

2394
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:55,930
Thank you, Joseph.

2395
01:26:56,370 --> 01:26:58,750
And now we got some booster grams.

2396
01:26:58,890 --> 01:26:59,090
Let's see.

2397
01:26:59,150 --> 01:26:59,970
Where's the booster grams?

2398
01:27:00,170 --> 01:27:01,030
Oh, it's at the bottom.

2399
01:27:01,890 --> 01:27:04,010
Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.

2400
01:27:04,830 --> 01:27:05,270
Here we go.

2401
01:27:06,130 --> 01:27:06,610
Anonymous.

2402
01:27:07,210 --> 01:27:08,070
True fans.

2403
01:27:09,310 --> 01:27:10,850
5,115 sats.

2404
01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:11,970
Thank you.

2405
01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:14,670
True fans support from episode 232.

2406
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:15,430
RF bigot.

2407
01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:15,830
Thank you.

2408
01:27:16,010 --> 01:27:16,350
Thank you.

2409
01:27:16,450 --> 01:27:17,470
Anonymous true fans person.

2410
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:18,730
There was two of those.

2411
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:19,050
Thank you.

2412
01:27:19,070 --> 01:27:20,250
Kyron from mere mortals.

2413
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:24,970
Satchel Richard 1111 through fountains says, Craw, boosting

2414
01:27:24,970 --> 01:27:26,630
for a longer booster gram section.

2415
01:27:27,250 --> 01:27:30,630
Oh, these are, they came in from, this

2416
01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:32,210
is in response to our lack of booster

2417
01:27:32,210 --> 01:27:32,890
grams last week.

2418
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:33,790
Oh, good, good.

2419
01:27:34,030 --> 01:27:35,030
The call went out.

2420
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:35,650
People heard it.

2421
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:35,990
Excellent.

2422
01:27:36,610 --> 01:27:38,370
Oh, look, we'll speak of the devil.

2423
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:40,510
There's Chris from Jupiter.

2424
01:27:40,930 --> 01:27:42,870
Oh, uh, fat through fountain.

2425
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:44,530
50,000 sats.

2426
01:27:44,710 --> 01:27:45,110
Boom.

2427
01:27:49,810 --> 01:27:50,750
Hey, Chris.

2428
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:51,450
Thank you, brother.

2429
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:53,370
Cross show boost.

2430
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:54,370
Follow up, Adam.

2431
01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:56,530
Oh, I did not see your boost come

2432
01:27:56,530 --> 01:27:57,690
into this weekend.

2433
01:27:57,790 --> 01:27:59,630
Bitcoin, not on my node or the fountain

2434
01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:00,070
dashboard.

2435
01:28:00,350 --> 01:28:02,250
We still have a big problem with non

2436
01:28:02,250 --> 01:28:03,110
-key send metadata.

2437
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:06,450
In my humble opinion, solvable, but we're not

2438
01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:06,870
there yet.

2439
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:07,430
Love you guys.

2440
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:09,030
Go podcasting, go podcasting.

2441
01:28:09,070 --> 01:28:10,150
Hope somebody solves it.

2442
01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:12,390
It would be nice.

2443
01:28:13,770 --> 01:28:15,130
Oh, there's a, there's Dreb.

2444
01:28:15,210 --> 01:28:17,890
I see, I see Dreb and uh, let's

2445
01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:18,090
see.

2446
01:28:18,230 --> 01:28:18,630
Delimiter.

2447
01:28:18,750 --> 01:28:19,770
Oh, well, look at that.

2448
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:20,570
It's a delimiter.

2449
01:28:20,770 --> 01:28:25,950
13, three, five, zero sats through fountain and

2450
01:28:25,950 --> 01:28:28,810
CSB says, howdy, Dave and Adam today.

2451
01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:31,650
I'd like to recommend the best podcast about

2452
01:28:31,650 --> 01:28:32,290
podcasting.

2453
01:28:32,290 --> 01:28:35,910
Industry news sounds profitable by Brian.

2454
01:28:36,190 --> 01:28:40,490
I was not, I'm not laughing at you,

2455
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:40,930
Brian.

2456
01:28:41,050 --> 01:28:43,170
I was just not expecting that to be

2457
01:28:43,170 --> 01:28:44,790
the, the, the one.

2458
01:28:46,930 --> 01:28:49,250
Sounds profitable by Brian Barletta.

2459
01:28:49,550 --> 01:28:53,310
Just search for sounds profitable in your podcast

2460
01:28:53,310 --> 01:28:54,170
app to find it.

2461
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:56,530
A look at the most important news in

2462
01:28:56,530 --> 01:28:57,250
podcasting.

2463
01:28:57,590 --> 01:29:02,110
Yo, CSB, the maker of www.trading.toys.

2464
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,650
Now that's actually a fun website he built.

2465
01:29:06,690 --> 01:29:07,170
It is cool.

2466
01:29:07,470 --> 01:29:08,950
I'm just still confused.

2467
01:29:09,790 --> 01:29:12,150
Why is CSB listening to sounds profitable?

2468
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:15,370
A show about podcast ad tech.

2469
01:29:15,790 --> 01:29:18,450
You know, CSB, he's an interesting guy.

2470
01:29:19,570 --> 01:29:21,110
You know, he's a, he has a variety

2471
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:24,810
of interests and he's just, and he's ever

2472
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:28,130
since we got boosts and booster grams, he

2473
01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:29,410
started donating to shows.

2474
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:31,270
He just wants to be completely anonymous.

2475
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:33,110
He doesn't want anyone to know what his

2476
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:35,510
real name is, where he lives, what he

2477
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:36,410
actually does.

2478
01:29:36,850 --> 01:29:37,570
What he sounds like.

2479
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:39,470
Well, we know what he sounds like.

2480
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:40,650
I'm not allowed to do it anymore.

2481
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:41,650
Cause then he gets mad.

2482
01:29:42,510 --> 01:29:43,990
Oh, I thought he, I thought, I thought

2483
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:45,410
you had special dispensation.

2484
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:46,490
No, no, no, no.

2485
01:29:46,510 --> 01:29:47,270
I have no.

2486
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:47,650
Okay.

2487
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:48,990
If I do it, then I'll get like,

2488
01:29:49,070 --> 01:29:50,130
I don't sound like that.

2489
01:29:50,230 --> 01:29:50,450
Oops.

2490
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:50,730
Sorry.

2491
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:53,230
Whoops.

2492
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:54,110
Whoops.

2493
01:29:54,590 --> 01:29:55,410
Oh, wait, wait.

2494
01:29:55,870 --> 01:29:57,210
Mike Dale snuck in here.

2495
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:59,830
They sneaky snuck in right after the delimiter.

2496
01:29:59,830 --> 01:30:01,910
We've got a buffer overflow here.

2497
01:30:02,490 --> 01:30:04,970
Mike Dale, 10,289.

2498
01:30:05,230 --> 01:30:05,990
Mike is beautiful.

2499
01:30:06,350 --> 01:30:06,990
Thank you, Mike.

2500
01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:08,630
10 to 89 through podcast.

2501
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:11,750
Soon to be delisted podcast guru.

2502
01:30:12,370 --> 01:30:13,950
Don't put that on them.

2503
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:15,990
Keep up the good work guys.

2504
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:16,690
Thank you, Mike.

2505
01:30:16,910 --> 01:30:17,630
No, I'm just kidding.

2506
01:30:17,730 --> 01:30:19,330
Jason, we will defend you.

2507
01:30:19,710 --> 01:30:19,970
Yes.

2508
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:21,890
Well, you know, we, we actually had to

2509
01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:23,670
do another one of our, our special app

2510
01:30:23,670 --> 01:30:24,830
store letters for Barry.

2511
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:29,390
Cause whenever you, whenever you submit a, well,

2512
01:30:29,410 --> 01:30:31,830
not everybody, but most times when you submit

2513
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:33,830
a podcast app, like you've got to show

2514
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:34,830
us you've got permission.

2515
01:30:34,830 --> 01:30:36,470
Cause they're on the same tip.

2516
01:30:36,970 --> 01:30:38,890
You've got to show us you've got permission

2517
01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:39,650
to use these.

2518
01:30:41,330 --> 01:30:43,730
And I have a stock letter that, uh,

2519
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:44,730
that I then forward.

2520
01:30:44,890 --> 01:30:45,890
And it always works.

2521
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:47,250
It's a hundred out of a hundred.

2522
01:30:48,130 --> 01:30:48,430
Yeah.

2523
01:30:48,430 --> 01:30:49,770
We're batting a thousand on that.

2524
01:30:51,330 --> 01:30:56,570
And what's great about that is that 50

2525
01:30:56,570 --> 01:30:58,410
% of the time they want a letter

2526
01:30:58,410 --> 01:30:59,730
and 50% of the time they do

2527
01:30:59,730 --> 01:31:00,150
not care.

2528
01:31:01,610 --> 01:31:01,790
Yeah.

2529
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:04,890
There's your app store rules for you.

2530
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:07,050
And we had Godcaster didn't have to do

2531
01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:07,150
it.

2532
01:31:07,230 --> 01:31:08,610
We didn't get one of those for Godcaster.

2533
01:31:09,010 --> 01:31:12,590
No, lots of people use this and never

2534
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:13,390
have to do this.

2535
01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:14,410
It's just so random.

2536
01:31:14,610 --> 01:31:14,790
Yeah.

2537
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:15,590
It's so random.

2538
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:16,130
Yeah.

2539
01:31:16,290 --> 01:31:18,250
It's the world we live in the world

2540
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:19,230
we live in.

2541
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:19,390
Yeah.

2542
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:20,190
I know I chat.

2543
01:31:20,290 --> 01:31:22,210
I know Barry was on a podcast weekly

2544
01:31:22,210 --> 01:31:22,470
review.

2545
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:23,750
He was, I haven't heard it.

2546
01:31:23,850 --> 01:31:25,530
He was, they, they scoop.

2547
01:31:25,530 --> 01:31:27,010
They, they scooped us.

2548
01:31:27,210 --> 01:31:29,190
They scooped us best to scoop us every

2549
01:31:29,190 --> 01:31:29,510
time.

2550
01:31:29,770 --> 01:31:29,930
Yeah.

2551
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:31,010
He's listening to the show.

2552
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:32,210
Like, Oh, wait a minute.

2553
01:31:32,210 --> 01:31:33,030
I've got to have Daniel J.

2554
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:34,050
Lewis on first.

2555
01:31:35,250 --> 01:31:36,270
He'll be on there next.

2556
01:31:36,350 --> 01:31:36,670
Oh yeah.

2557
01:31:36,930 --> 01:31:37,250
Oh yeah.

2558
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:39,410
Barry pimped himself out.

2559
01:31:39,550 --> 01:31:39,730
Yeah.

2560
01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:40,810
That's all there is to it.

2561
01:31:40,830 --> 01:31:41,510
But Daniel J.

2562
01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:42,890
Won't be on there next week.

2563
01:31:42,910 --> 01:31:44,610
If he knows what's good for him.

2564
01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:45,550
No.

2565
01:31:48,830 --> 01:31:49,550
All right.

2566
01:31:49,550 --> 01:31:50,410
I got to get back to work.

2567
01:31:50,630 --> 01:31:51,110
All right, brother.

2568
01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:52,010
What are you doing this weekend?

2569
01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:56,870
Oh, I will probably, I will probably be

2570
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:59,810
putting a fan shroud in the 67 to

2571
01:31:59,810 --> 01:32:00,430
F2 50.

2572
01:32:00,570 --> 01:32:01,090
Nice.

2573
01:32:01,430 --> 01:32:04,450
There's nothing like putting a fan shroud in.

2574
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:08,890
In the 95 degree Alabama heat, the, the

2575
01:32:08,890 --> 01:32:11,530
black F2 50 with a four 60 does

2576
01:32:11,530 --> 01:32:12,650
not like it.

2577
01:32:12,650 --> 01:32:14,190
It wants to overheat.

2578
01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:16,970
So I'm eyeballing that.

2579
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:18,170
Wait, shouldn't you get it?

2580
01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:19,490
Shouldn't you get a big blower on the

2581
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:19,770
hood?

2582
01:32:22,190 --> 01:32:23,690
This, uh, like.

2583
01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:24,770
That would look cool.

2584
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:27,910
I put in a 16 inch electric fan.

2585
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:29,830
It didn't even, it didn't even touch it.

2586
01:32:29,850 --> 01:32:32,170
You need a big honking blower right on

2587
01:32:32,170 --> 01:32:33,010
the, right on the hood.

2588
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:35,490
Here comes Dave Jones, everybody.

2589
01:32:35,790 --> 01:32:37,790
And we'll do a custom paint job pod

2590
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:38,290
Sage.

2591
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:40,110
With flames.

2592
01:32:40,410 --> 01:32:40,770
Yes.

2593
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:41,410
With flames.

2594
01:32:41,530 --> 01:32:42,190
It's a grease lightning.

2595
01:32:42,690 --> 01:32:43,330
Yes, exactly.

2596
01:32:44,110 --> 01:32:44,990
All right, boardroom.

2597
01:32:45,070 --> 01:32:46,110
Thank you very much for being here.

2598
01:32:46,170 --> 01:32:47,510
Hope you all enjoyed the nerdy talk.

2599
01:32:47,610 --> 01:32:50,330
We will return next Friday for another episode

2600
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:53,570
of podcasting 2.0. Everybody be nice to

2601
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:54,130
each other.

2602
01:32:54,430 --> 01:32:55,250
Tell a secret.

2603
01:32:55,650 --> 01:32:57,270
And hold hands.

2604
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,860
You, you, you hope you have been listening

2605
01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:18,540
to podcasting 2.0. Visit podcast index.org

2606
01:33:18,540 --> 01:33:19,900
for more information.

2607
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,100
Hi, I'm the pod father.

2608
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,800
Let me scold you for a moment.