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Podcasting 2.0 for March 28th, 2025, episode

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216, Salty Sage.

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Hello, everybody.

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Welcome once again to Podcasting 2.0. We

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are not a product.

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We are not a service.

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We're a concept.

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We're a podcast.

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No, wait, we're a boardroom.

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Yes, the board meeting takes place every single

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Friday.

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And just in case you didn't know, we

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are the only boardroom that has not read

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the entire Infinite Dial report.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who somehow still has time to write

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blog posts.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones.

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I was dangerously close to needing the homeleck

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right there.

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Yeah.

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Were you choking on your beef milkshake?

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No, I was like, I was furiously trying

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to get that chicken salad, that bite of

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chicken salad to go down before the, before

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you hit the post.

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Oh, you're eating chicken salad.

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That's a departure from your regular beef.

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No, I've got beef milkshake.

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That's my drink to go with the chicken.

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No, I'm up in the like, I'm up

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in the like 900 calorie range for this

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lunch right now.

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Your diet is something else, man.

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It should have its own podcast.

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Dave's diet needs its own podcast.

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I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

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It's only on Friday.

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I mean, it's funny, what I eat on

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a daily basis is, I'm a very consistent

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person.

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Like I do this, I tend to do

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the same thing every single day.

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That's what I heard from your wife.

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No, she makes fun of me for it.

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She makes fun of me for it because

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I'm, I'm so, I'm just like a, you

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know, like one of those, like Matlock or

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whatever.

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He's got like 12 of the same suit

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in his closet.

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That's very much like me.

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So I tend to, I mean, I eat,

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I eat a half pound beef patty for

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breakfast every morning.

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I eat.

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Raw, right?

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Just raw, just a raw beef patty.

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Raw, I'm the pot sage.

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I'm the pot sage.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, uh, yeah.

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And this, and then, uh, a protein, a

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beef protein shake for lunch with a salad

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and then whatever we fix for dinner.

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I mean, every single day, but on Fridays,

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I'm so pressed for time.

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When I hit the door of my house,

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I have about 10 minutes to get into

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the podcast room to get going on this.

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And so I'm like throwing stuff together, beef

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milkshake as fast as I can.

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And then whatever's in the fridge, you literally

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just glob mayonnaise onto the, onto the bread.

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Don't even spread it.

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We spread it with your hands.

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Like, yeah.

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Sometimes I end up with popcorn.

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Sometimes I end up with like a bag

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of, you know, a bag of nuts, you

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know, it's beautiful.

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Beautiful.

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Well, maybe that explains it because you are

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now officially salty sage.

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You're salty sage, man.

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What does that mean?

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I don't understand.

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Okay.

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I will explain it to you.

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What is, what is this reference?

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I will explain salty sage to put it

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bluntly, stop complaining about YouTube.

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If you can't even do what they do,

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if you only do half of a thing,

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someone else will come along and do the

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other half.

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And that's on us for not finishing salty

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sage, cracking the whip.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Is it true?

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No, it's absolutely true.

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But when it comes from you, in fact,

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that's going to be a show title.

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I think, I think it's a show title

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candidates, salty sage.

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When it comes from you, people pay attention.

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When it comes from me, it's like, Oh,

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that's just curry.

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It's a different one.

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It comes through.

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That's because I'm, you know, I'm almost spicy

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all the time.

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Yes.

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I'm always like that.

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And when they have a, a, um, spicy,

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uh, have a measured and appropriate use of

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spice.

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That's correct.

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And, and I'm just spicy all over the

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place.

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Yeah.

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And people just like he's too hot.

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He's hot curry.

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He's too hot to handle.

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I can't handle him.

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He's too hot to handle.

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I had a radio show called hot curry

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at one point.

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I did.

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I did.

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It was like a hot curry.

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Yeah.

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That's exactly what it was like.

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I need, I need a, I need some

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clips from hot curry.

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Boost.

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Okay.

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Yes, everybody.

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We are live.

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We are lit.

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And that is exactly the topic of Dave

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Jones.

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The pod say just most recent blog post.

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Uh, do you want to talk about that

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now?

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Cause I have some other things I think

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we should get into, but, uh, it was

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top of mind for me.

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Well, whatever.

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I mean, we, we can do whatever.

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I have no agenda today.

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No, I have it, uh, on Sunday and

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Thursday.

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Let me, uh, well, I'll ease you into

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it.

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So every, uh, every one of my favorite,

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uh, podcast listens was about the infinite dial

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report, the infinite, even pivot, even pivot was

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like, it's the infinite dial report.

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Let's talk about it.

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Now that prof G have you read the

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infinite dollar report?

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I'm sure he has.

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Well, that's a, those are hate listens, but,

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uh, podcast weekly review power and, uh, the

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new media show.

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It was great.

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I was walking the dog during both of

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my, my afternoon and my evening walk.

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I was able to, uh, to get the

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whole infinite dial report without even touching it

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because Todd and Rob basically sat there and

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read it throughout the whole show.

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This is like, okay, this, this is like,

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uh, security now podcast, which I'm not going

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to throw shade.

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I love Steve Gibson.

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I love that show, but it really is

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him just reading five different, like 1500 word

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articles during the show is sometimes I have

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to skip around, you know?

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Well, in this case it was, it was

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quite, uh, it was quite interesting.

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And there's really only one thing that stuck

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out to me because of course everyone's like

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video, audio, YouTube, podcast, uh, just Spotify.

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You're bringing this up cause I've heard, I've

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heard none of this.

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Well, there's only one, uh, um, no, there's

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actually two takeaways from the entire report as

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I have distilled it from the distillation already

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done by our colleagues over at a power

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and then new media show.

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Now, to distill this, did you use Microsoft

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co-pilot to convert the transcript?

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Yes, I did.

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You mean like Satya Nadella?

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It's much more exciting.

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What an a-hole.

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Everybody reported it as if it was a

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real thing.

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He doesn't do that.

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Give me a break.

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That's like a self-serving ad for co

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-pilot.

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I find it much more interesting to interact

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with the co-pilot on the transcript of

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the podcast.

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It's much better in the car.

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It's much better.

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No, it's not.

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That is a load of horse crap.

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In his pants.

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Yes, that's horse crap.

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Uh, no, the, the number that really could,

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you know, everything is at 97%.

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Everything's 97%.

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Uh, climate change.

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Climate change.

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That's the amount of scientists who agree, uh,

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on anthropogenic anthropogenic anthropogenic human anthropogenic.

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I wonder if that, that, that has this

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feeling like it might be real.

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Let's see.

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I got it.

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I got it.

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I'm trying to find this.

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Anthropometric is in world.

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That's close.

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And pretty close.

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What is it?

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What is it?

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What is the anthropogenic?

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Is that it?

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Is that anthropogenic?

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No, that can't be it.

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Anthropogenic?

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No, no, that's not.

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Now I'm originating in human activity.

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Anthropogenic.

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Well, what did I say?

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Anthropogenic.

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That's my new term.

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That's my new term.

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Yes.

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No, everything was kind of up there, you

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know, podcast listening is up.

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And then there's a lot of, you know,

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discussion about, well, they said, you know, consumed

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a podcast.

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What does that mean?

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Well, to me, it means you ate it,

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but okay.

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You consumed a podcast.

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Well, that could be more video, audio, video,

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audio, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Here's the one that interested me the most.

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And I thank, I thank God for bringing

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us Tom Webster the other week.

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I really got a lot out of that.

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Me too.

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In fact, something I almost never do.

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I listened to our own show.

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I did too.

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And I never do that either.

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How about that?

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I did too.

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I listened to almost the whole thing.

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Cause I want to make sure that I

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heard everything he was saying and the things

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he wasn't saying, but he was saying without

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him knowing it, you know, the intent underlying

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things.

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Yeah.

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It's a little hard when you're listening to

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Tom Webster to get past the I'm Tom

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Webster and I have important, interesting things to

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say.

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You know, he's the guy has got a

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set of pipes that won't quit.

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He does.

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And he was talking about the, how people

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still get in the car and listen to

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AM, FM radio and the infinite dial report,

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which now the infinite dial report has been

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around for a long time.

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I think it's 25, 26 years.

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And they've really upped the amount of respondents

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and you know, it's a, you know, statistics

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wasn't no lies, damn lies and statistics, but

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they kind of know what they're doing.

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I'm I don't like that they're sponsored by

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companies in the business.

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I don't like that.

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Yeah.

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I think that's unfortunate, but you know, I

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guess we can't all be Pew research, Pew

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research, Pew, Pew this, the infinite dial just

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to be clear is not podcast specific.

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No, it's a, it's right.

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No.

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In fact, they had social media stuff in

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there.

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And I really don't care for the podcast

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industrial complex in general, this obsession with numbers.

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And I mean, it's just, I don't care

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for it because just like radio and television,

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we really have crap measurement.

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We really don't know what's going on.

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I guess some streaming stuff, but anyway, the

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number that interested me the most, where I

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see the most growth potential was in the

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car because in the car, people who use

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their phone and I'm just kind of rounding

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up the numbers and going by what I

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remember, uh, cause that's just as good as

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the actual number as far as I'm concerned,

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not in my car.

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Well, right between, um, CarPlay and Android auto,

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it was about 40% of people who

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use their phone in the car.

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Wow.

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What a lot of opportunity there is there.

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And I think it's mainly two reasons.

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One is they don't have great interfaces.

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Um, it's, and that's kind of comes back

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to what Tom Webster, Webster was saying, you

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know, I don't really, well, no, they have

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great interfaces for podcast listening, but there's not

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really a serendipity discovery, spinning the dial type,

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uh, type experience, which funny enough, we're working

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on a version of that.

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It was to me, it was kind of

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like, Oh, there's confirmation.

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Um, but also that's where people are going

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to listen and that's, everyone's going back to

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work.

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Now we've got commute times have come back

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in the whole world is eventually moving back

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to going to an office, not everybody, but

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I think we're going to see most people

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going back.

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We're seeing, um, car manufacturers kind of giving

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up on the in-car entertainment.

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As far as I can tell, it seems

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like, uh, it's, it's half-hearted attempt.

355
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Yeah.

356
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Um, because you know, you're, you're bringing your

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own, you're bringing your own entertainment.

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Everything is on your phone, um, in order

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to sync media and do stuff and rip

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you away from what you already have and

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bring it into the car.

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I think it's very, very difficult.

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So, you know, that's why, you know, Sirius

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XM, I'm sure I don't think Sirius XM

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was, I don't remember if they even had

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a number for that.

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Uh, but AMF from radio, I understand.

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And, uh, it once again dawned on me

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that, you know, there's, so that's, that's the,

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that's the opportunity.

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YouTube does not have a great in-car

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experience that just don't.

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I don't, I don't know what the, again,

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cause my car is not, you know, the

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most modern car we have is from 2012.

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And, uh, and the, even at the time,

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the, in that Honda, it was not a

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great system.

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So like, and my other two, the other

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two vehicles that we have don't even, you

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know, they're from the 60s.

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So they don't even have, one of them

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doesn't even have a radio.

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So I'm not, I'm, I'm really sort of

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at a disadvantage here to know what the

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modern car in-car experience is for any

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of these apps.

388
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Well, I mean, what is possible?

389
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I mean, uh, if you look at a

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navigation app, if you look at ways, which

391
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I have to admit, I use that because

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it's really good.

393
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Although I know Google is listening to me,

394
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watching me, you know, checking my blood pressure.

395
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Uh, I mean, the screens interactive, you can

396
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touch stuff, you can zoom in, you can,

397
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you know, it pops up dialogues for, for,

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for warnings that are user generated.

399
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There's a, it's a, you can do a

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lot of great things with it.

401
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Um, in general, podcast apps kind of all

402
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do the same thing, you know, what you'd

403
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expect inbox type, uh, inbox, most recent you're,

404
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you're, I mean, just the base, the basic

405
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stuff.

406
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So not a, I mean, it's old listings,

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really.

408
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It's not even a, I don't think anyone's

409
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even drawing boxes on the screen or anything.

410
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So there is just so much opportunity to

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create a kick-ass exciting experience for in

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-car entertainment.

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And what's I think interesting, and we're discovering

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this, what's interesting is the, the addition of

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the live tag.

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Ooh, see how it, I did there.

417
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The additional, the addition of the live tag

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can really add some excitement, serendipity, and push

419
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button, uh, experience of discovery to the entire

420
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in-car listening experience.

421
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And now that the lit tag and live

422
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streams are an integrated part of the RSS

423
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feed ecosystem, or as some say, ecosystem, pivot,

424
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hate, listen.

425
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Um, I think that that is a very

426
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exciting thing for app developers to take a

427
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look at.

428
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,060
I mean, you can even, I mean, TuneIn,

429
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TuneIn had the right idea, but they got

430
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greedy and they got too much venture capital

431
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money and they overhired.

432
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And they were really creating just the, a

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directory of radio stations.

434
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And they forgot to put all the, the,

435
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the good thinking into it.

436
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They were just like, oh, we can charge

437
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these guys money.

438
00:15:13,820 --> 00:15:14,300
Give me money.

439
00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:15,340
Give me money to get listed.

440
00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:18,620
And they never really got the podcasting part

441
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right.

442
00:15:19,540 --> 00:15:20,660
SiriusXM is similar.

443
00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,560
Um, they, they try to do something kind

444
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of interesting with their app, but it already

445
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breaks the whole concept of, for me, SiriusXM

446
00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:32,880
breaks the concept of radio in general.

447
00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:35,140
You know, I've never had a radio that

448
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I had to put a quarter into to

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listen.

450
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And that's pretty much what, what, you know,

451
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oh, you can get this exclusive live stream,

452
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subscribe to this.

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So there is just ample opportunity and clearly

454
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a long way to go.

455
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There's 60% of people.

456
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Now I'm sure there's a number of people

457
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who don't even have CarPlay, et cetera, in

458
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their vehicle, but they still may be connecting

459
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their phone to Bluetooth and, um, like the

460
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Audible app.

461
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I don't know if you've ever used the

462
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Audible app in car mode.

463
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I have not.

464
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I've used, well, wait, wait, I have used

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it on car mode on the, on the

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device.

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I haven't used it in car mode in

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a car.

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So it's, it's a quite interesting concept.

470
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You know, it's like, this is kind of,

471
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you know, if you don't have CarPlay or

472
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Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay

473
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is appropriate.

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Apple Play, um, the CarPlay or Android audio,

475
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then you have a, you know, you, you

476
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still have your holder for your phone and

477
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you kind of stick it on your dashboard

478
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and it removes all of the small things,

479
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gives you big buttons.

480
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And I just felt like there was so

481
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much opportunity.

482
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And then, uh, yesterday I read your blog

483
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post and I'm like, oh, perfect.

484
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And maybe you want to summarize what you

485
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were saying there, because again, coming from you,

486
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especially coming from Salty Sage, it's so much

487
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more impactful.

488
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Um, yeah.

489
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So I mean, I didn't, when I usually

490
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write blog posts, it's on sub stack, but,

491
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um, it just, it just doesn't feel, I

492
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don't know, it just doesn't feel right that

493
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so, um, and I've had, I've had blogs,

494
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many blogs over the years.

495
00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:12,420
Um, and I finally just decided to get,

496
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um, to re to restart a personal blog.

497
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And a lot of it goes to, um,

498
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by the way, I see it's not a

499
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freedom controller based blog.

500
00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:28,520
It's no, it's not.

501
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It it's a, um, it's using a thing

502
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called, uh, Zola and, uh, it's kind of

503
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like Hugo, it's a static site generator.

504
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Uh, but Zola is written in, uh, it's

505
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a rust, uh, coded in rust.

506
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And so, but it supports like the, the

507
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Hugo, uh, template language and all that kind

508
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of stuff.

509
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And one, one of the problems with, so

510
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I, I finally figured out that, um, I've

511
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been looking for a good blog domain name

512
00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:56,300
for months.

513
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And I finally, uh, figured out that, uh,

514
00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:02,360
that I could get that one, uh, davejones

515
00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:06,220
.blog. Um, and, and it wasn't too much.

516
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:08,460
So I, I spun that up on a,

517
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,920
it's just running on an S3 bucket.

518
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,340
Um, yeah, you just drop the static files

519
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in there.

520
00:18:13,020 --> 00:18:13,340
Yeah.

521
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Put it behind cloudflare.

522
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,040
It's good to go.

523
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It's cost me like, you know, it cost

524
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me like 5 cents a month.

525
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So, uh, not, so it was pretty simple.

526
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One of the things, one of the problems

527
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,860
you get into when you, when you roll

528
00:18:23,860 --> 00:18:26,640
a new, uh, blog site always is you

529
00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,440
end up getting, uh, sort of obsessive about

530
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,940
the blog itself and the way it looks

531
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and everything.

532
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:33,940
Yeah.

533
00:18:34,220 --> 00:18:36,500
So you can spend hours going down the

534
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rabbit hole.

535
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And I really have, I find that process

536
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so tedious.

537
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I was like, please, I want this thing

538
00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:45,600
and a theme and I just want to

539
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be done with it.

540
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There was still a little bit of that

541
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that happened.

542
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,520
Uh, because like, I, I, all I want

543
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out of a blog is, is the content.

544
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I don't want any like crap.

545
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Yeah.

546
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You know, I just want it to be

547
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like a newspaper.

548
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,320
What?

549
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,900
You don't want a skyscraper banner?

550
00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:04,260
Yeah.

551
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:06,940
And like, you know, pop ups and all

552
00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:07,040
this.

553
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,040
Oh, it's just so annoying.

554
00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:09,980
So anyway, it's stripped most of that out.

555
00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:15,250
But anyway, the, um, I think one of

556
00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:17,010
the things that maybe finally decided to pull

557
00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:22,150
the trigger and, and actually do a roll

558
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:27,860
a blog is that, um, it's become pretty

559
00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:36,060
clear over the last few months that, that

560
00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:39,840
it's not, I wouldn't say marketing is the

561
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,400
problem with podcasting, uh, 2.0 and the

562
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:43,940
namespace.

563
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960
It's, it's just pure evangelism.

564
00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,960
There's a, there's just a lack of it.

565
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,100
And in a specific, and I think it's

566
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:55,520
in a really specific way.

567
00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,730
What I mean is there needs to be,

568
00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:09,370
uh, a consistent voice that is describing these

569
00:20:09,370 --> 00:20:10,430
thing.

570
00:20:10,550 --> 00:20:14,670
There's describing these features in a way that

571
00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:23,130
is both technical and, um, political and ideological,

572
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:25,710
but it has to be sort of all

573
00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:26,070
of it.

574
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:28,250
It needs to be, that's why this post

575
00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:31,170
is so long is because it takes, you

576
00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:33,570
can't just say, and this is the mistake,

577
00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:35,190
a little bit of the mistake that I've

578
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:38,170
made in the past with, with writing, uh,

579
00:20:38,910 --> 00:20:43,970
posts about features is I tend to get

580
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:45,970
really focused on the tech, which makes sense

581
00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:48,090
because, I mean, these are technical contributions, technical

582
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:53,370
implementations, but, um, no, this is different, Daniel.

583
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:55,870
This is, I see what you're saying, but

584
00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:57,050
this, what I'm saying is a little bit

585
00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,650
different than podcasting2.org.

586
00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:02,510
Um, that that's podcasting2.org.

587
00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:07,110
Another fine initiative, another fine initiative.

588
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:08,270
Yeah.

589
00:21:08,290 --> 00:21:10,510
It's, it's, it's brilliant as a reference site

590
00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:13,050
and as a sort of portal into the

591
00:21:13,050 --> 00:21:15,950
namespace, but there needs to be, I think

592
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:20,890
some long form articles that go through that

593
00:21:20,890 --> 00:21:25,410
start with, you know, here's a, here's, here's

594
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:26,570
a problem.

595
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:28,590
Uh, excuse me.

596
00:21:28,890 --> 00:21:31,370
He starts with, here's the framework of the

597
00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:32,310
world as it is.

598
00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:35,850
There are some problems with this framework.

599
00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:39,930
There's a solution that was created.

600
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:47,250
Here is the way the solution is thought

601
00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:48,730
to address the problem.

602
00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:53,370
And then here's the technical implementation of how

603
00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:54,110
that happens.

604
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:59,530
And finally, why you should care and, and

605
00:21:59,530 --> 00:22:00,590
put effort behind it.

606
00:22:00,610 --> 00:22:01,310
That's a good format.

607
00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:02,790
And that is exactly what you did.

608
00:22:02,850 --> 00:22:03,590
That's a good format.

609
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:04,350
I like that.

610
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:06,870
And it, by nature, these are going to

611
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:09,010
be, you know, there it's, it's long.

612
00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:10,390
I mean, I've, I've probably got three and

613
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:14,350
a half, four hours in this post to

614
00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:14,830
writing.

615
00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:16,090
I don't know if it's right, if writing

616
00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:18,630
is hard for everybody, but it's, it writing

617
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:21,490
well takes me a long time and just

618
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:23,890
a lot of, there's a lot of thinking

619
00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:24,490
through it.

620
00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:26,070
Mark, did you write this in, is this

621
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:26,630
Markdown?

622
00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:28,070
It is in Markdown.

623
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:28,390
Yeah.

624
00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:30,310
So it's so beautiful when you do it

625
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:33,270
in Markdown, you get code snippets and you

626
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:35,470
know, it's just, it's a good way to

627
00:22:35,470 --> 00:22:35,930
write it.

628
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:36,810
Yeah.

629
00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:39,550
It's, it's so much, it's just, it, it

630
00:22:39,550 --> 00:22:40,170
felt Markdown.

631
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:44,450
It feels like it makes, uh, makes things

632
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:48,310
easier to me than even WordPress, you know?

633
00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:54,890
But, um, so the point, you know, there's

634
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:56,910
a, a few points I was trying to

635
00:22:56,910 --> 00:23:01,970
hit, you know, one, one of them is

636
00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:09,740
the, the podcast like the podcasts, the podcasting

637
00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:15,100
itself, you know, specifically being defined as adding

638
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:19,540
the enclosure tag to an RSS feed, um,

639
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:25,400
was so early in the era of linear

640
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,940
broadcasting to digital.

641
00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:29,220
Does that transition?

642
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:34,000
Um, if it had had, if, if RSS

643
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,420
had had live and funding support from the

644
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:42,920
beginning, it really could have been the default

645
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,720
place where the like entertainment, as we know

646
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,540
it landed with a huge choice of different

647
00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:50,640
apps to pick from.

648
00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:55,500
Uh, like what I'm saying is, is podcasting

649
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:59,740
today, it could be where we go to

650
00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:01,240
get our, all of our content.

651
00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:03,080
I am in total agreement.

652
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,260
Right now, instead, today in 2024, if podcast,

653
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,480
if the, if live and funding and, uh,

654
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,340
and some other things like Russell's, uh, L4O2

655
00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:19,220
implementation, if some of those things had been

656
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:27,140
in place, micropayments back in 2000, 2001, we

657
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:32,600
may not have things like Hulu, Spotify, you

658
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,760
know, these, we may not have those things

659
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:35,060
today.

660
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,800
What instead we may have a, a, a,

661
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,820
a list of 40 different apps to choose

662
00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:45,620
from that you go and, and you're really,

663
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:48,480
it's podcast behind the scenes and you're buying

664
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,480
content on it.

665
00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:53,100
You're, you're, you know, sending payments, you're listening

666
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:54,420
to live events.

667
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:57,440
It really could have been just the natural

668
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,040
transition because what happened was people went from,

669
00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:04,000
um, initially it was websites.

670
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,540
The media, the big media companies went from,

671
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,580
uh, you know, they launched, they all launched

672
00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:13,740
websites and then you would have to go

673
00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:16,860
like, if you wanted to go watch the

674
00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:19,820
masters or whatever, instead of, uh, on, instead

675
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:21,740
of on TV, you would go to, you

676
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:24,400
know, CBS website and they would have a

677
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,580
live stream of the masters.

678
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,320
Well, they went to the web.

679
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,280
They could have gone to podcasting, which is

680
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,100
just the web.

681
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,060
Well, but just to interject two things, one

682
00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:35,660
in the old country, we say if the

683
00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,040
queen had balls, she'd be King.

684
00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:41,680
The second one is that is exactly why

685
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,820
RSS was a threat to companies like Google.

686
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,580
Exactly for that reason.

687
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Oh no, we're the aggregator.

688
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880
We can't have people doing that themselves.

689
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:55,650
Yeah, it was, it was subversive to that,

690
00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:59,610
to the, to the, uh, to the Yep.

691
00:26:01,070 --> 00:26:05,190
Um, and so like, I think live is

692
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:10,890
so critically important because if you look at

693
00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:13,350
it in those terms, looking back on history

694
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:19,470
that the missing live piece made it where

695
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:21,550
it, it didn't fit.

696
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:24,310
It was not a, it was not a

697
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:25,050
real alternative.

698
00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:27,630
It wasn't an, it wasn't a choice, right?

699
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:32,930
You could, because everybody, every media publisher is

700
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:35,150
going to have some form of live and

701
00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:36,370
on demand.

702
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:38,550
And so what you ended up with was

703
00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:41,130
these, like this thing that we, that we

704
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:44,950
call podcasting, which is supposedly on demand, but

705
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:46,110
you don't have a full catalog.

706
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:48,270
You have a curation.

707
00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:50,170
So like, think about it and think about

708
00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:50,830
it in these terms.

709
00:26:51,370 --> 00:26:55,510
Um, like, uh, John MacArthur, like great, the

710
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:56,510
grace to you ministry.

711
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,130
This one comes to mind because I was

712
00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:02,890
doing something with Godcaster this morning and, uh,

713
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:04,350
and ran into it.

714
00:27:04,510 --> 00:27:09,230
If so, he's a preacher that in, he's

715
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:10,610
at grace church out in California.

716
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:14,070
You have three different ways to hear that

717
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:15,250
material.

718
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:18,010
You can turn it, you can tune into

719
00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:22,510
a Christian radio station and hear, hear it

720
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:23,510
in a linear fashion.

721
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:26,910
It's just a live broadcast.

722
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:30,090
You can go to the blog, excuse me,

723
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:32,290
you can go to the podcast and then

724
00:27:32,290 --> 00:27:36,250
you're going to get a curated list of

725
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:41,450
selected sermons from that ministry uh, that they

726
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:41,970
choose.

727
00:27:42,270 --> 00:27:45,510
Or you can go directly to the website

728
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:49,050
or their app and that's got the full

729
00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:49,670
catalog.

730
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:52,850
That's a fully on demand experience.

731
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:55,690
And so in that you can search every

732
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:58,110
sermon he's ever preached and listen to whichever

733
00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:58,810
one you want.

734
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:02,590
So, so podcasting exists in this sort of

735
00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:06,110
center lane where it's not a true on

736
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:08,350
demand because you don't have access to the

737
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:11,430
full catalog and you don't pick what is

738
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:12,890
in that limited catalog.

739
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:16,670
Um, but it's not live either.

740
00:28:17,470 --> 00:28:19,390
And so it's a, it's a sort of

741
00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:21,110
middle ground.

742
00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:26,710
And in order to make it, um, in

743
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:31,250
order to make it more fit with my,

744
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:35,510
with the modern media landscape, we need to

745
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:38,070
move, we've got to add the live piece.

746
00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:42,070
Uh, cause the lives, the live piece truly

747
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:45,450
puts it on par with something like, um,

748
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:49,670
Spotify or Sirius XM or YouTube or something

749
00:28:49,670 --> 00:28:49,970
like that.

750
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:52,050
If it doesn't have it, it's never going

751
00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:53,130
to be seen as an equal.

752
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,680
I agree.

753
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:57,740
Yeah.

754
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640
Um, so that, that's, that's where, I think

755
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,390
that's where we're at in, in, like Apple

756
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:15,050
pocket casts, um, overcast Castro.

757
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,410
These apps really, they, they need to support

758
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:18,970
live.

759
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:21,610
They, they just do.

760
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:25,610
They need the, it's, uh, you know, understand

761
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:29,770
that, understand the development cycle and that kind

762
00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:31,790
of thing, but they, they really do just

763
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:34,890
need to add this support, uh, because it's

764
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:38,010
not, there is content out there.

765
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:40,410
There is plenty of live content.

766
00:29:40,550 --> 00:29:42,270
I see stuff popping up in my life.

767
00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:44,890
If you follow on the Fediverse, if you

768
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:50,450
follow the, uh, podcast, live podcasts, live at

769
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:54,270
podcast index dot social, that's John Spurlock's bot.

770
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:59,030
Every time a new podcast goes live and

771
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:02,250
start streaming, that thing pops up right now.

772
00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:03,690
One just, you know, of course ours popped

773
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:06,210
up earlier and now one just popped up

774
00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:07,270
called King's hero.

775
00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:09,870
King heroes journey podcast is going live.

776
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,430
I don't even know what this is.

777
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:14,050
That's all pod ping signaling, right?

778
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:15,070
Yeah.

779
00:30:15,370 --> 00:30:15,710
Yeah.

780
00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:17,470
And every time one part, so there is

781
00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:20,570
content out there going live every single day.

782
00:30:22,150 --> 00:30:26,230
Um, and, and if those, all it would

783
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:28,590
take would be for one of those larger

784
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:33,270
apps to implement this, uh, support for this.

785
00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:38,510
And then you would see an, an immediate

786
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:44,650
uptake in, in publishers and content creators go

787
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:49,650
supporting this because posts like rss.com, uh,

788
00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:52,790
pod home, there are, they already got support

789
00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:53,390
for the blueberry.

790
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:55,630
They've got support for this already.

791
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:58,370
And, and if you, if you know how

792
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:00,190
to do live content, you already have a

793
00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:01,330
live stream somewhere.

794
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:01,750
Yeah.

795
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,690
Spending up a live stream is not difficult.

796
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:08,110
Uh, and it's, it's typically when it's audio,

797
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:09,350
it's typically not very expensive.

798
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:11,910
May I introduce you to liquid soap programming

799
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:12,530
language?

800
00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:14,130
Please.

801
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:15,690
I have no idea what that is.

802
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:17,550
It's what you said.

803
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:18,310
Not difficult.

804
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:25,790
Well, no, that different, different contexts.

805
00:31:25,870 --> 00:31:26,950
We'll get back to that later.

806
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:28,470
Oh no.

807
00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:30,050
I mean, it's fun to talk about it

808
00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:30,230
now.

809
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:33,210
I'm, I'm, well, I mean, it's because I,

810
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:35,950
I've been spinning up radio streams and, uh,

811
00:31:36,530 --> 00:31:39,250
I had a very harrowing AI experience.

812
00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:42,090
Oh, I want to hear about that.

813
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:45,770
Well, so I was able to successfully configure,

814
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:49,690
um, ice cast and liquid soap, well, pretty

815
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:50,770
straightforward stuff.

816
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:54,070
Uh, but then I wanted to customize how,

817
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:55,090
how it was working.

818
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:57,710
And this is a very mature language.

819
00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:01,970
I mean, but it's a, um, uh, it's

820
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:03,850
a, what do you call it in programming?

821
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:11,390
You call it a, uh, um, I'm trying

822
00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:14,750
to think what it's called a functional language.

823
00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:16,290
Okay.

824
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:16,570
Yeah.

825
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:19,510
Which is very different from Adam's shell scripting

826
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:20,290
experience.

827
00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:23,970
The Adam shell scripting experience.

828
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:26,090
That's like a ride at Disney.

829
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:26,670
It is.

830
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:28,370
Well, that's pretty much what it was because

831
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:30,570
I went through it with, you know, I

832
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:33,090
figured, okay, well chat GPT and a couple

833
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:34,630
of these AIs should be able to help

834
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:34,730
me.

835
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:35,730
This is what they're good at, right?

836
00:32:35,890 --> 00:32:36,530
They're right.

837
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:37,150
They can do it.

838
00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:37,650
He can do it.

839
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:38,110
Oh yeah.

840
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:40,190
If they're good at anything is coding, right?

841
00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:42,750
That's what I was led to understand.

842
00:32:42,910 --> 00:32:45,590
So, so I start, you know, I have

843
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:47,470
a simple playlist and then I just want

844
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:51,550
to add some crossfade functions, uh, based upon

845
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:52,250
what I want to do.

846
00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:53,310
It's very sophisticated.

847
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:55,970
You can, you can make the next track

848
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:56,510
start.

849
00:32:56,530 --> 00:33:00,470
If the, um, if the previous track dips

850
00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:02,770
below 30 decibels, you know, so you have

851
00:33:02,770 --> 00:33:04,690
a great crossfade in a, in a long

852
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:05,530
fade out song.

853
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:06,730
I mean, it's just great stuff.

854
00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:09,610
And, uh, so I start to tinker with

855
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:11,570
it and of course, syntax error, syntax error.

856
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:12,690
So, okay.

857
00:33:12,910 --> 00:33:13,310
All right.

858
00:33:13,330 --> 00:33:17,490
Chat GPT and chat GPT just takes me

859
00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:18,310
down this path.

860
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:20,150
And it keeps saying, Oh Adam, you're almost

861
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:20,470
there.

862
00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:21,150
Would this one?

863
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:21,970
Oh, really nail it.

864
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:23,750
We'll get this working very soon.

865
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:26,090
It literally said you're almost there.

866
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:26,470
Oh yeah.

867
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:27,550
Many times.

868
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:29,890
And then it would throw like a skull

869
00:33:29,890 --> 00:33:30,350
emoji.

870
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:32,050
Oh no, it looks like we're in liquid

871
00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:32,390
soap.

872
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:34,130
Hell, well, we've got to do this.

873
00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:36,750
And it was just, it went, what chat

874
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:37,410
was this?

875
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:39,370
It was a four, four Oh, whatever it

876
00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:40,090
is.

877
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:43,250
A certain point I was using it so

878
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:43,530
long.

879
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:46,410
It went, sorry, you've used this model too

880
00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:46,730
long.

881
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:48,550
Switching to a piece of crap model.

882
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:50,050
I'm like, okay, I'll upgrade.

883
00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:51,910
So I'm paying 20 bucks a month now

884
00:33:51,910 --> 00:33:52,550
for this thing.

885
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:55,390
And, uh, and I just keep going and

886
00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:57,570
I can see it's going in circles and

887
00:33:57,570 --> 00:33:58,670
I say, are you going to say, are

888
00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:00,650
you sure you have the documentation?

889
00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:02,750
And I link and yo, yeah, no, I've

890
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:04,570
got all the, cause the documentation is super

891
00:34:04,570 --> 00:34:05,030
extensive.

892
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:05,750
It's got everything.

893
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:08,730
And, um, and then it just keeps on

894
00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:10,929
going and it keeps throwing errors and it

895
00:34:10,929 --> 00:34:12,230
keeps telling me we're almost there.

896
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:14,730
Adam keeps telling me we're going to nail

897
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:15,250
it this time.

898
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:16,870
And then it goes to, well, it looks

899
00:34:16,870 --> 00:34:18,449
like we have to recompile your kernel.

900
00:34:18,489 --> 00:34:19,909
I'm like, okay, good night.

901
00:34:20,429 --> 00:34:20,870
Yes.

902
00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:23,409
Holy crap.

903
00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:25,429
They went to the nuclear option.

904
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:27,969
Oh, it actually said, we're going to take

905
00:34:27,969 --> 00:34:30,110
the nuclear option on this at some point.

906
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:32,010
I mean, it was so obvious.

907
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:33,750
It had no idea what it was doing.

908
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,130
It was really, really severely disappointing.

909
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:39,230
You know what this is?

910
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:39,610
Okay.

911
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:41,730
It just, it hits me right now.

912
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:46,850
Talking to one of these AI agents is,

913
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:50,409
or AI chatbots is like, it's like talking

914
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:52,210
to a crazy person.

915
00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:52,690
Genius.

916
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:56,670
It's like talking to Ted Kaczynski, where you're

917
00:34:56,670 --> 00:35:00,090
like, they, they bait you in because they're

918
00:35:00,090 --> 00:35:00,490
brilliant.

919
00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:02,610
And then they'll just say something.

920
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:03,970
You're like, Whoa, what?

921
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:04,950
You're an idiot.

922
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:06,850
You're crazy.

923
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:10,650
Like you literally like they they're genius, but

924
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,270
they're also completely insane at the same time.

925
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:13,710
Hmm.

926
00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:15,510
Yeah.

927
00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:18,010
So anyway my point is there's a lot

928
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:20,310
of great tools.

929
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:24,590
I mean, liquid soap is truly, truly a

930
00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:26,670
masterful at what it can do.

931
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:29,730
And that includes, you know, if you want

932
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:31,510
to go live and you, and you know,

933
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:33,650
and the server can start, you can tell

934
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:35,070
that in, you can do all, it means

935
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:35,850
so many things.

936
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:36,710
It's all open source.

937
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:37,370
It's all out there.

938
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:37,890
It's beautiful.

939
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:41,630
There are many, many tools available and right

940
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:43,070
now could not be a better time.

941
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:47,690
And I wouldn't just, I wouldn't say just

942
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:52,110
the bigger apps, anybody who does anything that

943
00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:55,570
kind of combines these two with some discovery

944
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:58,450
and throw in streams, man, there's a, there's

945
00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:02,150
directories of streams that are off the hook.

946
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:04,950
There's so much content out there.

947
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:06,930
So much.

948
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:09,310
I mean, you could have your own, you

949
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:12,310
know, your own podcast station that's running pod.

950
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:14,030
I mean, there's a million different things you

951
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:17,050
can do, but we're still, Oh, well, I'm

952
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:18,630
a broken record on that, that we're stuck

953
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:19,650
in this inbox model.

954
00:36:19,850 --> 00:36:22,810
So, but there's existing apps out there that

955
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:25,170
can add in other stuff that they, that

956
00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:26,930
they don't have that they may already be

957
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:27,190
doing.

958
00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:30,910
So your point is completely valid of, of

959
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:34,550
merging these two, which is, I mean, that,

960
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:37,430
which brings me to the next point, which

961
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:39,370
also came from the infinite dial.

962
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:42,130
And that is one that people have been

963
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:44,310
just, we haven't gotten it off the ground.

964
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:48,390
And that is some type of community interaction.

965
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:50,270
Now fountain does this very well.

966
00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:55,490
And I think Sam, I I'm very excited

967
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:58,870
about the forthcoming app versions of true fans

968
00:36:58,870 --> 00:37:02,910
because I think that there's a, I think

969
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:05,470
Sam sees it and it'll come down to

970
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:06,970
implementation as always does.

971
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:09,690
But the idea that you can interact with

972
00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:15,110
that group around a podcast or a media

973
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:15,770
property.

974
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:18,550
That's what YouTube does very well.

975
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:19,350
It does it.

976
00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:21,690
That's what Spotify has tried.

977
00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:23,490
You know, we kind of got stuck on

978
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:25,950
the idea of cross app comments and there's

979
00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:27,650
lots of stuff that comes into this that

980
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:31,430
we'll bump into again, you know, moderation, all

981
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:35,490
this different stuff, but even just the beauty

982
00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:37,850
of having a board, I have a troll

983
00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:40,550
room and I have a boardroom and I

984
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:42,370
have a lit tag on both of my

985
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:43,670
most important shows.

986
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:47,250
And it is truly a wonderful experience.

987
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:49,210
I mean, we've got people, how many are

988
00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:51,890
you got 52 in the boardroom?

989
00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:52,990
They are, are they all active?

990
00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:53,590
Let me see.

991
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:55,810
I don't know if they're all active, but

992
00:37:55,810 --> 00:37:56,650
they're logged in.

993
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:58,050
Yeah, it looks like it.

994
00:37:59,550 --> 00:38:01,590
And, you know, they hang out after the

995
00:38:01,590 --> 00:38:02,050
show.

996
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:07,010
That's what no agenda stream is, you know,

997
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:09,210
it's no agenda dot stream.

998
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:10,250
It's, it's unbelievable.

999
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:12,610
There's a whole community in there and, and

1000
00:38:12,610 --> 00:38:16,310
they have basically a radio station, the no

1001
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:17,030
agenda stream.

1002
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:18,770
And, you know, and people are in there

1003
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:20,330
and they'll be like, oh, this show sucks,

1004
00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:22,010
but they're still in there and they'll still

1005
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:22,610
be hanging out.

1006
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:26,010
And so adding this feature has just been

1007
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:26,690
lagging.

1008
00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:30,150
And that's really where your, your final salty

1009
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:31,350
sage line landed.

1010
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:34,050
You know, it's like, Hey, you know, if

1011
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:35,650
we don't do what they're doing, we're not

1012
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:36,930
even adding the basics.

1013
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:39,190
Then shut up already.

1014
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:42,570
That's exactly what you said.

1015
00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:44,470
Shut up already, but I see it right

1016
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:46,350
here is a direct quote.

1017
00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:46,610
Yes.

1018
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:51,330
The last line of this, this really comes

1019
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:51,550
down.

1020
00:38:51,610 --> 00:38:54,650
All of this really comes down to implementation.

1021
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:57,890
Like you said, the tech part of it

1022
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:59,730
is not that hard.

1023
00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:01,710
Most of the time.

1024
00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:03,850
I'm not going to say none of it's

1025
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:05,430
hard because some of it, some of it

1026
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:09,790
actually is pretty hard, but maybe there's a

1027
00:39:09,790 --> 00:39:10,630
better way to say that.

1028
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:18,390
It's not, I don't think the tech is

1029
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:22,330
what keeps people from doing these, some of

1030
00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:23,030
these things.

1031
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:25,630
I don't think it's ever the tech.

1032
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:33,950
Um, like, and I've made this, I think

1033
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:35,490
I made this comment a few weeks ago

1034
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:40,410
is if you look at RSS itself, it's

1035
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:41,130
a total mess.

1036
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:46,370
I mean, the RS, the RSS 2.0

1037
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:50,910
specification as written by Dave Weiner, uh, that

1038
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:52,810
is still, you know, this, what, what, what

1039
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:56,370
all this is based on, it's a complete,

1040
00:39:56,490 --> 00:39:57,830
it's just a complete mess.

1041
00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:03,690
And the fact that we may like we,

1042
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:08,150
the fact that this thing works, it is,

1043
00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:10,790
what that tells you is that the tech

1044
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:13,550
part is not the thing that's going to

1045
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:14,690
hold anything back.

1046
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:15,210
Right.

1047
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:20,070
It's, it's really, it's more, it's a will

1048
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:21,270
to do it.

1049
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:27,910
And it is the clear vision of what

1050
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:28,450
to do.

1051
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:31,270
And so I tried to make that point

1052
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:34,730
in this, in this article as well, that

1053
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:39,590
when you, when you just, when you have

1054
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:43,190
a standard or a specification, the parts of

1055
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:48,090
that specification, you know, and the parts of

1056
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:50,790
that specification carry meaning with them.

1057
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:55,530
So when I'm a podcast app developer and

1058
00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:59,490
I am writing, I'm parsing an RSS feed

1059
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,610
and I'm, I hit the item tag.

1060
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:06,610
I know in my head that that item

1061
00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:09,910
tag means episode.

1062
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:13,370
That's, that's what this thing really is.

1063
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:16,670
It's an episode of an audio program.

1064
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:22,150
And so that meaning, it becomes, that meaning

1065
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:25,950
is attached by me to this tech, to

1066
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:28,470
this technical description that I'm seeing.

1067
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:33,310
Now there's modifiers that can happen to that.

1068
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:36,950
And this, this goes into the realm of

1069
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:41,970
why we, why we always say the names

1070
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:48,010
are not important because item, what does that

1071
00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:48,350
mean?

1072
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:51,330
It's the most generic term ever.

1073
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:54,510
We don't know that this is an episode

1074
00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:57,270
because the name of the tag is item.

1075
00:41:58,130 --> 00:42:00,130
We know that it's an episode because we

1076
00:42:00,130 --> 00:42:03,750
know that item means episode in the context

1077
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:05,550
of a podcast RSS feed.

1078
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:08,850
Or item as blog post or item as

1079
00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:10,710
a song track, et cetera.

1080
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:11,990
Yes.

1081
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:14,170
So if you look at the pod, at

1082
00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:17,330
the RSS feed of my blog, if you

1083
00:42:17,330 --> 00:42:19,270
just open it up, there's an item right

1084
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:19,550
there.

1085
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:22,030
And I know that if I'm writing in

1086
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:24,650
the content, if I'm writing an app in

1087
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:29,530
the context of a blog reader, that item

1088
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:30,710
means article.

1089
00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:35,910
But if I'm writing a app in the

1090
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:40,210
context of a podcast app and I'm dealing

1091
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:42,510
with XML, I know that item means episode

1092
00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:43,110
show.

1093
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:46,130
It means audio episode or video episode, whatever.

1094
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:47,630
It means an episode of a show.

1095
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:48,010
Mm.

1096
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:51,090
And so those meanings that we attach in

1097
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,250
the, in a, in their proper context have,

1098
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:56,850
they, they are the, that's what does all

1099
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:57,430
the work.

1100
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:58,850
To make it even crazier.

1101
00:42:58,950 --> 00:43:01,470
This may be even a better example because

1102
00:43:01,470 --> 00:43:03,210
I'm looking at your RSS feed because I

1103
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:04,810
do what the pod Sage tells me to

1104
00:43:04,810 --> 00:43:05,050
do.

1105
00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:08,270
Go and look at the RSS feed.

1106
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:12,370
Um, your actual article is under the description

1107
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:12,970
tag.

1108
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:15,430
Yeah, exactly.

1109
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:16,230
Exactly.

1110
00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:17,530
Yes.

1111
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:19,710
So what is that describing?

1112
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:22,910
Yeah, it's, it's literally the article, but it's

1113
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:24,150
not a description of the article.

1114
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:26,990
No, it's the, and here, let's, okay, let's

1115
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:27,350
keep going.

1116
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:28,610
Let's keep going down this track.

1117
00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:34,110
The description in the RSS feed is the

1118
00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:34,590
article.

1119
00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:35,310
Yeah.

1120
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:39,710
But in my template language for the blog

1121
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:44,710
itself, the description is a summary, a short

1122
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:45,850
summary of the article.

1123
00:43:46,210 --> 00:43:48,790
So there's another word in the template language.

1124
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:49,250
That's right.

1125
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,710
Description considering that's not the article, right?

1126
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:56,410
These names don't, these names don't mean anything

1127
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:59,150
and we don't expect them to mean anything

1128
00:43:59,150 --> 00:44:01,250
most of the time in order to point.

1129
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:05,350
And I was actually, I want to, I

1130
00:44:05,350 --> 00:44:06,870
want to actually read this real quick.

1131
00:44:07,150 --> 00:44:09,690
This is, I've been, I started reading a

1132
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:11,510
book a couple of weeks ago called a

1133
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:13,450
ancient Near East thought in the old Testament.

1134
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:15,610
Hold on a second.

1135
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:18,470
We need some music for you.

1136
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:21,950
Oh, do I get music for this?

1137
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:22,250
Okay.

1138
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:24,050
I think you need some music for that.

1139
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:25,970
Uh, let's see what I've got here.

1140
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:29,890
That's not it.

1141
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:32,030
Sorry.

1142
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:32,770
That's not it.

1143
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:33,690
No, that's not it.

1144
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:34,330
Yeah.

1145
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:36,530
So I read this last night and it

1146
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:37,150
stuck out to me.

1147
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:39,490
It says, um, uh, when it comes to

1148
00:44:39,490 --> 00:44:41,930
the formulation of our modern theology, based on

1149
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:44,250
the biblical text, we may logically conclude that

1150
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:47,230
without the guidance of background studies, we are

1151
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:49,570
bound to misinterpret the text at some point.

1152
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:52,230
A text can be thought of as a

1153
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:55,470
web of ideas linked by the threads of

1154
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:55,850
writing.

1155
00:44:56,610 --> 00:45:00,250
Each phrase in each word communicate, communicates by

1156
00:45:00,250 --> 00:45:02,450
the ideas and thoughts that it will trigger

1157
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:04,150
in the mind of the reader or the

1158
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:04,850
hearer.

1159
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:07,950
We can then speak of potential meanings that

1160
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:10,350
the words point to as gaps that need

1161
00:45:10,350 --> 00:45:11,110
to be filled.

1162
00:45:11,330 --> 00:45:14,510
One hopes appropriately meaning by the, uh, with

1163
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:15,530
meaning by the audience.

1164
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:17,410
So what he, what he's saying is it's

1165
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:25,150
not, it's not necessarily the words themselves that

1166
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:27,950
can, that, that convey the meaning.

1167
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:32,590
It's the, it's your understanding of the context

1168
00:45:32,590 --> 00:45:34,370
of what it, of what you're reading.

1169
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:35,310
Yes, exactly.

1170
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:38,170
There's going to be this, this thing is

1171
00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:41,350
telling you something and you think you understand

1172
00:45:41,350 --> 00:45:42,950
what it, what it's saying.

1173
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:45,330
And so you fill in the gaps in

1174
00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:49,210
your understanding by your past experiences, current experiences,

1175
00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:50,070
all these other things.

1176
00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:53,650
You bring meaning to it rather than it

1177
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:55,950
being purely the other way around.

1178
00:45:57,110 --> 00:46:00,330
Um, and so that's, that's what I'm saying

1179
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:00,510
here.

1180
00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:02,570
So when you add like the medium tag,

1181
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:06,070
suddenly we're not talking about a podcast anymore.

1182
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:08,630
When you see an item, you're, you're, the

1183
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:10,430
medium is music.

1184
00:46:10,830 --> 00:46:13,310
Now you're talking about a music track, right?

1185
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:14,910
So all these things keep changing.

1186
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:18,610
So the, these, when we define the live

1187
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:22,290
item tag, when we wrote that tag as

1188
00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:28,190
a group, um, the, I think, I think

1189
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:30,390
maybe Alex did Alex right there.

1190
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:32,410
I can't, I think he did.

1191
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:33,710
I think he did.

1192
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:35,230
I'm, I'm, I want to try to be

1193
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:36,970
better about giving credit for things.

1194
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:41,090
Um, I'll make sure I find that information.

1195
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:44,910
But, um, when we initially did that tag,

1196
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:49,110
it made the most sense to define it

1197
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:52,970
as a new tag rather than adopt the

1198
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:57,090
item into this new thing, because not because

1199
00:46:57,090 --> 00:47:00,270
the item itself couldn't do that, but because

1200
00:47:00,270 --> 00:47:03,670
there needed to be a sense of context

1201
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:06,610
that we wanted to convey to a developer

1202
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:09,650
that says, this is a different thing.

1203
00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:15,150
And so it's, it's different enough to where

1204
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:16,970
we want you to be able to attach

1205
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:18,570
a new meaning to this thing.

1206
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:20,770
And that meaning is that this thing is

1207
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:22,930
never going to be an irregular episode.

1208
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:26,130
It's always going to be a live episode.

1209
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:27,990
It's a different animal altogether.

1210
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:33,210
Um, that also has the fortunate side effect

1211
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:38,510
of, um, making it very, making it easier

1212
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:40,370
to implement because you don't have to do

1213
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:42,690
a lot of, uh, sort of heuristic parsing.

1214
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:45,250
So Daniel made a comment in the, in

1215
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:49,130
the, um, in the, in the boardroom saying

1216
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:53,410
that, uh, you know, a, a RSS episode,

1217
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:56,070
an RSS item with an enclosure is a

1218
00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:56,590
podcast.

1219
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:58,110
No, well, not necessarily.

1220
00:47:58,350 --> 00:47:59,390
That's not, that's not true.

1221
00:47:59,450 --> 00:48:00,490
It could be a music track.

1222
00:48:01,090 --> 00:48:02,970
It could, well, it could be a blog

1223
00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:06,990
post with a bit, with a, with a

1224
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:10,990
section of, um, of unreal, uh, with a

1225
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:12,870
section of content that is not an audio

1226
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:13,870
version of the post.

1227
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:17,290
It could be just a, uh, an inserted

1228
00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:19,090
clip of something the post talked about.

1229
00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:22,610
And that wouldn't, that wouldn't necessarily make much

1230
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:24,490
sense in the context of a podcast app.

1231
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:28,130
Um, and, but, um, but I'm glad he

1232
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:31,890
said that because that's you, that display that

1233
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:35,670
sort of, um, exposes the problem here that

1234
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:37,310
there is a, when you have to do

1235
00:48:37,310 --> 00:48:40,690
heuristics, when you have to say, when you

1236
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:42,450
have to begin to, when you have to

1237
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:48,230
be begin to, um, interpret what this thing

1238
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:51,010
is based on a set of criteria where

1239
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:55,070
you say, okay, if this thing contains one

1240
00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:57,210
of these and one of these other things,

1241
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:58,670
then it's this.

1242
00:48:59,570 --> 00:49:02,550
And if, but if it contains this and

1243
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:06,030
X, Y plus Z, now it's this.

1244
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:08,530
So when you have to start sort of

1245
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:11,230
stringing together a set of heuristics, it becomes

1246
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:11,930
too complicated.

1247
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:13,670
So we did the live item.

1248
00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:14,690
It's clear.

1249
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:15,730
It's straightforward.

1250
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:17,970
It's easy to interpret.

1251
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:21,290
And I think it makes the entire process

1252
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:23,610
very straightforward.

1253
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:26,030
Now there's, there's of course going to be

1254
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:26,490
issues.

1255
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:28,690
There's going to be hurdles that have to

1256
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:29,010
overcome.

1257
00:49:29,110 --> 00:49:30,990
Like again, like you said, is, is, is

1258
00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:34,410
implementation is always the hurdle.

1259
00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:39,070
Uh, Franco with Castamatic is going through this

1260
00:49:39,070 --> 00:49:39,590
right now.

1261
00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:40,850
And I really want to get him on

1262
00:49:40,850 --> 00:49:41,170
the show.

1263
00:49:41,250 --> 00:49:43,690
He's got a direct conflict with timing that

1264
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:46,370
we may have to like bump the board

1265
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:47,730
meeting to a different time slot.

1266
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:49,590
Because of what is it?

1267
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:51,190
A seven hour time difference.

1268
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:51,790
Yeah.

1269
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:52,150
Yeah.

1270
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:54,170
He said, he said he's usually commuting right

1271
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:54,710
during the show.

1272
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:56,650
So, but I, I want to get him

1273
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:58,170
on because I think it would be, he's

1274
00:49:58,170 --> 00:49:58,810
got an iPhone.

1275
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:59,690
What's his problem?

1276
00:49:59,810 --> 00:50:00,850
Just put it in your earbuds.

1277
00:50:00,990 --> 00:50:01,770
You're good to go, man.

1278
00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:03,050
Come on, Franco, get with it.

1279
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:05,970
I think it would be immensely valuable to

1280
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:12,050
hear him talk about his, uh, his journey

1281
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:15,910
through implementing live, because I've said this before,

1282
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:24,570
I think Castamatic is the quintessential, um, version

1283
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:31,270
is the quintessential example of implement to implementation

1284
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:35,630
of any of these features, because it is

1285
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:38,910
a completely disconnected app.

1286
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:40,230
It has no server backend.

1287
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:46,950
It doesn't, um, it, it's a completely self

1288
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:47,790
-contained app.

1289
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:52,170
It's doing RSS the way RSS was always

1290
00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:56,170
meant to be, which is, it is, it's

1291
00:50:56,170 --> 00:50:59,810
consuming and parsing all the feeds by itself.

1292
00:51:00,050 --> 00:51:01,550
Oh, he's not even hitting the index for

1293
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:01,790
that.

1294
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:06,150
He hits the index sometimes, but it's always

1295
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:07,850
from the app, right?

1296
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:10,550
It's never a backend server that he runs.

1297
00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:16,330
So that to me is if that is

1298
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:17,630
sort of like, I use this as a,

1299
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:19,730
as like a sort of measuring stick.

1300
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:24,950
If Castamatic can do it, then anybody can

1301
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:25,390
do it.

1302
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:28,350
And like that, he works as a doctor

1303
00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:29,750
four days a week.

1304
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:31,690
Yeah.

1305
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:32,530
Yeah.

1306
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:35,510
A couple of his patients have died, but

1307
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:36,890
otherwise it's a great app.

1308
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:41,690
He's like, have you listened to my podcast?

1309
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:42,270
I'm like, what?

1310
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:46,290
I just want to, I just want a

1311
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:46,810
shot.

1312
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:51,290
Um, but, uh, yeah, like a Somerset said

1313
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:53,290
Castamatic and it keeps us grounded.

1314
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:54,630
I think that's true.

1315
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:57,430
It it's, it's the, it's sort of a

1316
00:51:57,430 --> 00:52:00,530
clean room, you know, of implementation.

1317
00:52:00,870 --> 00:52:03,650
If, if Franco can do it, there's no

1318
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:04,170
excuses.

1319
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:07,070
Um, so I really want to have him

1320
00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:09,590
get him on here and talk about, okay,

1321
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:11,550
well, we can, we can totally change the,

1322
00:52:11,650 --> 00:52:13,610
it might actually be a good idea.

1323
00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:17,770
Friday, April 11th.

1324
00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:19,670
I tried, I tried to try it.

1325
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:20,710
I couldn't get out of it.

1326
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:22,450
Oh, what is it?

1327
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:24,470
8 30 AM jury duty.

1328
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:26,270
Oh no.

1329
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:30,430
Oh, when is the last time you had

1330
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:30,930
jury duty?

1331
00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:32,970
I've never had to be on jury duty.

1332
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:34,290
I've always gotten out of it.

1333
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:37,490
And this is for Gillespie County.

1334
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:39,710
And, and you have to, you know, you

1335
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:42,150
go through the online process and then, you

1336
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:44,570
know, you're expecting to, well, where's my, they

1337
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:46,350
have all these, I can't do it because

1338
00:52:46,350 --> 00:52:48,610
I'm in, I'm fighting a war in a

1339
00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:49,430
foreign country.

1340
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:52,230
I'm a hundred years old, you know, all

1341
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:53,010
this different stuff.

1342
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:53,330
Yeah.

1343
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:53,610
Right.

1344
00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:55,130
And then, so I go through that expecting

1345
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:56,830
to have a box that says, no, I

1346
00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:58,010
can't for this reason.

1347
00:52:58,310 --> 00:52:59,570
I got the board meeting, man.

1348
00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:01,850
And no, I'm a podcaster.

1349
00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:03,010
I'm a podcaster.

1350
00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:04,010
I can't do that.

1351
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:04,910
I'm a podcaster.

1352
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:07,670
Uh, and no, no, it's like, yeah, no,

1353
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:08,730
you can't do that shit.

1354
00:53:08,810 --> 00:53:09,650
We'll see you at eight 30.

1355
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:11,930
If you don't, it's $500 a day penalty.

1356
00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:14,050
So I hope, so I hope to be

1357
00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:15,610
able to go there and say, well, first

1358
00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,890
of all, I have plane tickets for Monday,

1359
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:21,750
um, the 14th, I'm going to Europe for

1360
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:22,370
a couple of days.

1361
00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:25,390
So, you know, Oh, I hope it's done

1362
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:25,830
by then.

1363
00:53:26,090 --> 00:53:28,770
Well, I, I hope they don't sequester me.

1364
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:32,450
I'm going to say I can't, well, we'll

1365
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:33,170
see what happens.

1366
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:37,830
I've never been, I've never been requested for

1367
00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:39,070
jury duty in my entire life.

1368
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:40,710
Oh, that changes as of today.

1369
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:43,450
They heard you now.

1370
00:53:43,850 --> 00:53:44,270
They heard you.

1371
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:46,390
Isn't it funny how that works as some

1372
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:48,670
people get, some people get hammered all the

1373
00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:50,150
time and other people's that you never get

1374
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:50,470
a request.

1375
00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:52,270
Well, Doge is now going to change all

1376
00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:52,570
that.

1377
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:55,810
I've been, I've somehow slipped through the cracks

1378
00:53:55,810 --> 00:53:57,850
of the jury selection system.

1379
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:58,230
Yeah.

1380
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:59,390
You're off the grid, man.

1381
00:53:59,490 --> 00:54:00,730
Do you even pay taxes?

1382
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:09,030
No, I, I just, I, I think, um,

1383
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:15,550
so going forward, um, and I will be

1384
00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:18,190
writing more of these sorts of articles.

1385
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:19,990
I don't know how spaced out they'll be

1386
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:21,270
because it does take time.

1387
00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:24,990
Um, but I think it's very important, uh,

1388
00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:28,750
for lots of different reasons, just so that

1389
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:33,450
we have a plain language, description of these

1390
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:36,690
features and all the context that goes around

1391
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:36,970
them.

1392
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:41,650
Because I think we're sort of past a

1393
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:43,250
lot of the technical hurdles.

1394
00:54:43,390 --> 00:54:44,970
I mean, we're still, we're, we're still making

1395
00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:45,690
tags and stuff.

1396
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:47,130
I mean, there's not, it's not like things

1397
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:50,530
are finished, but, uh, there's a lot, there's

1398
00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:53,230
a big body of work that's already been

1399
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:54,190
created here.

1400
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:57,850
And there's so much misunderstanding about it.

1401
00:54:59,110 --> 00:55:04,010
Um, I mean, I, I heard, um, on

1402
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:07,270
pod news weekly review, I heard, uh, James

1403
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:09,830
saying that publisher feeds required use of the

1404
00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:11,890
good, and that's not accurate.

1405
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:15,610
Even, even the people that are, that are

1406
00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:20,970
intimately involved in the, uh, podcasting 2.0

1407
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,230
work don't fully understand the details of a

1408
00:55:25,230 --> 00:55:25,790
lot of this.

1409
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,850
Um, and so for that reason, it's important

1410
00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:33,530
to have a consistent set of sort of

1411
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:36,950
evangelistic articles that go through and do a

1412
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:41,390
comprehensive overview of every aspect of these features

1413
00:55:42,110 --> 00:55:44,290
so that there's no misunderstandings.

1414
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:46,550
And also so that if there's ever any

1415
00:55:46,550 --> 00:55:48,830
questions or misunderstandings, we can just point them

1416
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:51,630
back to not to the necessarily to the

1417
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:55,330
docs, to the documentation, but point them first

1418
00:55:55,330 --> 00:55:57,950
to excellent idea.

1419
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:58,670
Yeah.

1420
00:55:58,990 --> 00:56:00,950
To the over to, to this, to the,

1421
00:56:01,050 --> 00:56:06,050
to the, um, sort of complete picture with

1422
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:07,870
links to the docs as necessary.

1423
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:09,230
Perfect.

1424
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:12,060
Yeah.

1425
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:15,100
Uh, Dreb, yeah.

1426
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:16,900
Dreb said, Dave, I bet it's mentally therapeutic

1427
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:17,800
for you to write like this.

1428
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,320
It absolutely is.

1429
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680
That's an interesting thing that you just said.

1430
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,060
I had not thought about that, but it

1431
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:30,420
does feel very good to lay out in

1432
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:37,140
complete detail a feature because then it's just

1433
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,400
sort of out of your system because you,

1434
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,580
you sort of built, you build up this

1435
00:56:41,580 --> 00:56:45,040
mental pressure over time where you hear, you

1436
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,540
hear this misunderstanding and this misunderstanding and this

1437
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:50,200
misconstruence and all these, there's all these sort

1438
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,240
of like, there's ways that you're, you're wanting

1439
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,380
to address all these little misunderstandings and fires

1440
00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:59,680
and put them all out, but you really,

1441
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:01,880
I mean, you can, I mean, it's just,

1442
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,700
it's too scattered.

1443
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,380
And so then you can take it, you

1444
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:06,940
can take all of that stuff and wrap

1445
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:11,080
it all up into one definitive answer that

1446
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,040
says, here is the thing.

1447
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,500
I think this is, this is a very

1448
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:16,940
good, a very good idea.

1449
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:21,400
And, um, now, so the problem we keep

1450
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,700
bumping into is there's this inherent nature of

1451
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:26,620
people to want to have a leader, want

1452
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:29,320
to have a, uh, who's, who's running the

1453
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,940
projects, who's doing this.

1454
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:33,720
Uh, we need the hosting companies to pay

1455
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:34,280
for apps.

1456
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,440
You know, um, I don't think that's ever

1457
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,480
going to work that way.

1458
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,700
Um, my experience, and this is, this is

1459
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,740
why Stephen B is my hero forever is

1460
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:50,780
if you, if you're publishing the content, if

1461
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:52,860
you're creating the content and I use every

1462
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:55,620
single tag available, which is why you were

1463
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:57,600
actually able to use those examples in your

1464
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,280
blog posts.

1465
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,480
I've always thought that's what people like.

1466
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,100
That's what they develop against.

1467
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:05,840
And, you know, so I love when I

1468
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,780
see, cause I hadn't actually looked at it

1469
00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:08,400
in a long time.

1470
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:10,540
I look at the live item tag for,

1471
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,940
uh, for this podcast and right there, it's

1472
00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:16,040
got the status, it's got the pending, the

1473
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,180
start and the end times.

1474
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:20,440
It's got the, uh, um, what is it?

1475
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:23,240
The chat server information.

1476
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,860
It's got the social interact.

1477
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:26,020
It's got all of it in there.

1478
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:27,980
And I always thought, well, if I'm just

1479
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:31,700
publishing this continuously, people will see it.

1480
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,540
And they have, this is how podcasting was

1481
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:34,460
bootstrapped, man.

1482
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,020
Like people would change something and I'd add

1483
00:58:38,020 --> 00:58:39,500
it to my feed and then publish the

1484
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:40,340
daily source code.

1485
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,740
And we have all this stuff.

1486
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:43,600
We're publishing it.

1487
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,300
You can test against it with live stuff

1488
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:47,240
all the time.

1489
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,420
Same for no agenda.

1490
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,920
It's not a small show, by the way.

1491
00:58:51,740 --> 00:58:54,020
If people want to, if you create a

1492
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:56,280
kick-ass app, I promote it.

1493
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,620
I've been doing it ever for years now,

1494
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,640
ever since this show started podcastapps.com from

1495
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,500
time to time, I'll mention one of the

1496
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:03,980
podcasts.

1497
00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:05,640
It's always going to be one that has

1498
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,280
the live item tag that understands it because

1499
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,840
that's part of the beauty of it.

1500
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,520
And when I tell people, this is my

1501
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:12,900
pitch.

1502
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:16,600
Uh, besides the wonderful chapters, when we go

1503
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,600
live, you'll get a notification right there in

1504
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:18,960
your app.

1505
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:20,300
It'll tell you it's the bat signal.

1506
00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:21,020
We're going live.

1507
00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:22,840
You can listen where your podcast, when you

1508
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,520
get your podcast, you listen to us live.

1509
00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:27,260
And then when we publish it 90 seconds

1510
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:29,420
later, you'll be notified that it's there.

1511
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:30,720
You don't have to wait two hours for

1512
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,040
Apple.

1513
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:33,020
It's a great pitch.

1514
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:33,980
People love that.

1515
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:38,630
Now, excuse me.

1516
00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:38,850
I'm sorry.

1517
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:44,320
No, I just think like, I feel.

1518
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:47,450
You feel like a woman.

1519
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:50,830
I feel like a woman.

1520
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:56,150
I think that the biggest hurdle now is

1521
00:59:56,150 --> 01:00:04,830
just getting, getting this, getting adoption by, by

1522
01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:05,270
apps.

1523
01:00:05,590 --> 01:00:08,330
And I don't know any other way to

1524
01:00:08,330 --> 01:00:12,250
do it than just right.

1525
01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:16,030
You know, I, I, this is another one

1526
01:00:16,030 --> 01:00:18,070
of those things that, uh, the episode that

1527
01:00:18,070 --> 01:00:21,970
from, uh, last week with, with Tom, with

1528
01:00:21,970 --> 01:00:25,970
our talk with Tom is, uh, I realized

1529
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:29,530
that I sort of forgotten how powerful writing

1530
01:00:29,530 --> 01:00:30,010
is.

1531
01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:35,950
And, um, because you know, what reason we

1532
01:00:35,950 --> 01:00:37,170
had Tom on the show is because he

1533
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:38,630
wrote an article and we all read it

1534
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:40,110
and it all meant something to us.

1535
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:42,810
And we, we dissected it and then, you

1536
01:00:42,810 --> 01:00:44,630
know, Matt felt, you know, felt a certain

1537
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:46,050
way and he responded to it and then

1538
01:00:46,050 --> 01:00:47,870
we read it and felt a certain way

1539
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:48,670
and we had him on the show.

1540
01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:50,790
All of these things sort of happened around,

1541
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:55,050
around a lot of writing that happened.

1542
01:00:55,230 --> 01:00:58,610
And I think that I had sort of

1543
01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:59,550
forgotten that.

1544
01:01:00,910 --> 01:01:04,410
So really the failure of podcasting 2.0

1545
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:05,910
is your fault is what you're saying.

1546
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:10,210
It, I'm perfectly willing to accept that.

1547
01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:11,730
The failure.

1548
01:01:11,970 --> 01:01:12,130
Yes.

1549
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:14,190
The death of podcasting 2.0 is my

1550
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:14,510
fault.

1551
01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:14,890
Yeah.

1552
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:16,830
Cause we all know it's dead.

1553
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:18,650
It's dead, Jim.

1554
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:22,250
I love the side channel part because that

1555
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:24,110
when you see that, that's when you really

1556
01:01:24,110 --> 01:01:26,130
see how rich, and I'm referring to the

1557
01:01:26,130 --> 01:01:27,450
blog post link in the show notes.

1558
01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:29,710
That's where you really see how rich this

1559
01:01:29,710 --> 01:01:30,650
environment is.

1560
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:33,250
By the way, I can't interact with Disney

1561
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:33,650
plus.

1562
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:36,350
I can't sit there and chat with people

1563
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:39,010
about, you know, house of David that I'm

1564
01:01:39,010 --> 01:01:40,490
watching on Amazon.

1565
01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:42,370
I'd love to.

1566
01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:44,810
I can't do any of that.

1567
01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:47,890
I can't write from, I should be able

1568
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:49,850
to write from, from Hulu or how about

1569
01:01:49,850 --> 01:01:50,130
this?

1570
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:54,750
Right from angel studios for the chosen man.

1571
01:01:54,790 --> 01:01:56,730
If they had a funding tag in there,

1572
01:01:56,730 --> 01:01:58,910
I'd click on it and I'd fund them.

1573
01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:00,190
Yeah.

1574
01:02:00,310 --> 01:02:04,790
Funding tag, please people funding tag, please people

1575
01:02:04,790 --> 01:02:07,750
bring that back into your apps, bring it

1576
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:09,490
in and make it clear what it is.

1577
01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:11,910
This is something I've noticed is that we've

1578
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:15,650
gotten very used to iconography and man is

1579
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:16,590
hard sometimes.

1580
01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:18,110
What do you mean?

1581
01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:22,710
So in Godcaster, we have a heart for

1582
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:26,710
um, donations, which in church language is giving,

1583
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:30,650
it's giving, but in, uh, in lots of

1584
01:02:30,650 --> 01:02:33,130
podcast app language, a heart means I'm favoriting

1585
01:02:33,130 --> 01:02:34,610
that, or it might be a star.

1586
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:37,770
You know, there's all kinds of different, uh,

1587
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:40,930
there's all kinds of different icons for the

1588
01:02:40,930 --> 01:02:41,750
same function.

1589
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:45,150
And, uh, and I'm kind of torn.

1590
01:02:45,230 --> 01:02:48,330
Is that a, is that really the choice

1591
01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:51,230
of the developer or is it a choice

1592
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:53,150
of the publisher or is it a combination

1593
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:53,910
of the two?

1594
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:57,770
Because if I'm, because I have to say,

1595
01:02:57,910 --> 01:03:01,210
if you want to support this podcast, what

1596
01:03:01,210 --> 01:03:01,690
is that?

1597
01:03:02,050 --> 01:03:03,670
Uh, what kind are you drinking?

1598
01:03:04,650 --> 01:03:05,410
LaCroix pure.

1599
01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:08,530
I don't want, I want to be unadulterated

1600
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:09,210
on the show today.

1601
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:14,150
Um, do I say in pod verse, uh,

1602
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:18,230
tap on the stack of money icon and,

1603
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:20,470
uh, you know, so there's all these different

1604
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:22,350
ways and I'm, I don't have an answer.

1605
01:03:22,450 --> 01:03:23,570
I'm just throwing it out there.

1606
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:25,330
I think I have an answer.

1607
01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:27,290
I'm all, of course you do.

1608
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:28,210
You're the pod Sage.

1609
01:03:29,610 --> 01:03:30,550
Not like that.

1610
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:33,050
But I mean, like, I think I have

1611
01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:36,270
something like an answer and that's, um, um,

1612
01:03:37,610 --> 01:03:45,550
the, the publisher feed, I think is going

1613
01:03:45,550 --> 01:03:47,150
to become more important over time.

1614
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:48,030
Hmm.

1615
01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:50,110
You know, you know what?

1616
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:54,990
So the, see there's another, I'm already thinking

1617
01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:56,690
of something else that, that needs to be

1618
01:03:56,690 --> 01:04:03,010
written here and that's, um, how hard it

1619
01:04:03,010 --> 01:04:07,010
is to have a vision of something that

1620
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:08,770
is going to take a long time and

1621
01:04:08,770 --> 01:04:11,090
get people not to be frustrated and to

1622
01:04:11,090 --> 01:04:16,050
just sort of trust, not even trust, sort

1623
01:04:16,050 --> 01:04:18,650
of see the vision along with you, you

1624
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:20,730
know, like, because some of these things are

1625
01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:23,010
just going to take a very, very long

1626
01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:23,390
time.

1627
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:24,270
Yes, they do.

1628
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:26,210
That's, this is why we're still doing it.

1629
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:27,090
Yeah.

1630
01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:27,670
Five years.

1631
01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:27,990
Yeah.

1632
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:29,650
We're not actually getting paid to do this

1633
01:04:29,650 --> 01:04:30,170
at people.

1634
01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:34,590
We're doing this because we care and it

1635
01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:37,570
may take another 10 years or 15 years

1636
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:38,990
for some of these things to come to

1637
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:39,390
fruition.

1638
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:40,670
That doesn't mean they failed.

1639
01:04:41,490 --> 01:04:44,670
So, but you know, I think the publisher

1640
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:48,890
thing, the publisher feed is going to potentially

1641
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:51,150
be, is going to have something to do

1642
01:04:51,150 --> 01:04:52,750
with what you're talking about.

1643
01:04:52,990 --> 01:04:53,130
Interesting.

1644
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:55,910
Because you can define that in the publisher

1645
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:56,310
feed.

1646
01:04:57,070 --> 01:04:57,810
Yeah, I think so.

1647
01:04:58,110 --> 01:04:58,470
I like that.

1648
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:59,090
I like that.

1649
01:04:59,290 --> 01:05:01,650
The publisher feed could become sort of the

1650
01:05:01,650 --> 01:05:05,950
way that you deliver styles and iconography and

1651
01:05:05,950 --> 01:05:08,070
these other sort of got sort of like

1652
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:14,030
a visual guidance to the end platform, be

1653
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:15,350
it an app or whatever.

1654
01:05:17,290 --> 01:05:19,070
I mean, it doesn't mean the app has

1655
01:05:19,070 --> 01:05:19,690
to do it.

1656
01:05:19,770 --> 01:05:23,350
It just means that you can deliver it

1657
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:26,950
and say, Hey, if you show, and I

1658
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:29,050
don't know how this would be described in

1659
01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:32,150
the markup, but I'm just saying like maybe

1660
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:34,350
somewhere in the markup of the publisher feed,

1661
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:39,390
there's a description language that says, Hey, support

1662
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:41,570
links that lead to donation pages.

1663
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:43,390
We want them to have an icon that

1664
01:05:43,390 --> 01:05:45,230
looks like a stack of coins instead of

1665
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:45,630
a heart.

1666
01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:49,450
Oh, that, that would, yes, that makes a

1667
01:05:49,450 --> 01:05:50,070
lot of sense.

1668
01:05:50,130 --> 01:05:50,810
I like that.

1669
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:53,510
And it doesn't mean that the apps have

1670
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:54,930
to do it, but they have the option

1671
01:05:54,930 --> 01:05:58,010
of letting the publisher control the UI in

1672
01:05:58,010 --> 01:06:02,090
some, in some way so that it, so

1673
01:06:02,090 --> 01:06:04,210
that the publisher could say, well, you know,

1674
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:06,370
this is what I would like it to

1675
01:06:06,370 --> 01:06:09,830
look like because we've already run into that

1676
01:06:09,830 --> 01:06:12,750
with, you know, some people don't want money

1677
01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:15,430
icons on their, no, they want the words

1678
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:16,710
give, give.

1679
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:18,550
Yeah.

1680
01:06:18,550 --> 01:06:20,270
You know, or, or something like that.

1681
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:21,710
So, I mean, everybody's going to have different

1682
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:26,230
sort of, you know, versions of that same

1683
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:26,550
thing.

1684
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:33,470
So, I don't know.

1685
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:34,490
Thank you for that silence.

1686
01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:35,170
I love that.

1687
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:36,690
That's one of my favorite things in a

1688
01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:37,250
podcast.

1689
01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:39,730
I mean, we can just roll the rest

1690
01:06:39,730 --> 01:06:40,670
of the show out like that.

1691
01:06:41,830 --> 01:06:43,290
I got a mute button right here.

1692
01:06:43,470 --> 01:06:44,410
Pensive thoughts.

1693
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:46,090
I mean, I've got a book.

1694
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:47,050
I just read this book.

1695
01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:48,290
I can just finish reading this chapter.

1696
01:06:48,430 --> 01:06:51,050
I just realized that GitHub has a blame

1697
01:06:51,050 --> 01:06:51,850
section.

1698
01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:55,180
Did you say blame?

1699
01:06:55,180 --> 01:06:55,520
Yeah.

1700
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:56,740
Blame.

1701
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:57,820
B-L-A-M-E.

1702
01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:58,400
Blame.

1703
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:00,140
For what?

1704
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:04,040
Well, I'm looking at the, at the namespace.

1705
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,460
I'm looking at publishers.md. It has preview

1706
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:09,400
and then it has the code and then

1707
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,480
it has a tab called blame.

1708
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,660
The blame featuring GitHub helps track changes in

1709
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:17,920
a file showing who last modified each line.

1710
01:07:17,980 --> 01:07:18,660
Who's to blame?

1711
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:20,860
Well, me.

1712
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,520
Always.

1713
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,860
It's always my fault.

1714
01:07:22,860 --> 01:07:25,080
I didn't realize that it was called blame.

1715
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,320
It should be a Dave button.

1716
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:28,180
It shouldn't be blame.

1717
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,180
I'm blaming, just blaming on Dave.

1718
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:31,100
Yeah.

1719
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:32,920
All right.

1720
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,020
How do we close out this conversation here?

1721
01:07:36,220 --> 01:07:37,580
How do we end this?

1722
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:39,420
What needs to be tackled next?

1723
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,660
I mean, as far as like, when it

1724
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:45,960
comes to writing and evangelism, what needs?

1725
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,960
Well, this is part of our, if we

1726
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,160
have any issue, is we move on quickly

1727
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,060
to the next thing.

1728
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:57,060
Maybe we try out this process with one

1729
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:58,820
tag, with the live item tag.

1730
01:07:59,460 --> 01:08:03,100
Get Franco on the show, since he keeps

1731
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:03,680
us grounded.

1732
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,380
And really focus on this, send people to,

1733
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:10,680
you know, one tag at a time, right?

1734
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:11,780
One inch at a time.

1735
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:12,740
Okay.

1736
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:15,700
And this is, it is a huge tag.

1737
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,279
And it's one that we already see media

1738
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,939
opportunities for beyond what podcasting is today.

1739
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:25,840
So maybe this is the one.

1740
01:08:25,939 --> 01:08:28,220
And I will tell you that there are

1741
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:31,200
companies out there looking very, very closely at

1742
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,340
the live item tag.

1743
01:08:33,939 --> 01:08:34,920
Hello, Rocky.

1744
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,040
We see you listening.

1745
01:08:38,779 --> 01:08:40,319
And we're going to have her on the

1746
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:40,979
show too, right?

1747
01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:42,460
I hope so.

1748
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,720
I see she responded to me.

1749
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:45,479
I got to get back to her.

1750
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,939
Because she sees tremendous opportunity for her own

1751
01:08:49,939 --> 01:08:52,600
company, but for podcasting in general.

1752
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,340
Of course, for the podcast industrial complex, which

1753
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:58,800
we're not necessarily beholden to, but we want

1754
01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:59,160
to help.

1755
01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:04,200
So I think that's maybe, I mean, chapters,

1756
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:05,359
I think was very successful.

1757
01:09:05,460 --> 01:09:07,160
There was already a chapters out there.

1758
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,040
So, you know, it was already kind of

1759
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,340
in the works.

1760
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,640
And some apps are just never going to

1761
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:13,939
do it.

1762
01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:15,779
But when I see PocketCast doing it, I'm

1763
01:09:15,779 --> 01:09:16,340
very happy.

1764
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,600
Yeah, I think that's great.

1765
01:09:18,779 --> 01:09:20,859
So, and I think we could even get

1766
01:09:20,859 --> 01:09:22,700
PocketCast do the live item tag.

1767
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,120
Oh, I think there's no doubt they will

1768
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:26,479
do it.

1769
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,380
They will, they will.

1770
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:29,460
I think they absolutely will do it.

1771
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,000
It's, I have no doubt in my mind

1772
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,620
that within, you know, a couple of years,

1773
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:35,560
they'll have it in there.

1774
01:09:36,580 --> 01:09:36,720
Excellent.

1775
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:37,399
A couple of years.

1776
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,060
A couple of years, it should be done

1777
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:40,439
today.

1778
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,740
Podcasting's dying.

1779
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,720
We got to do it now.

1780
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:44,580
And that's the problem.

1781
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,080
And that's the whole problem.

1782
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:48,080
But I like, I like what you're, I

1783
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:48,700
like what you're saying.

1784
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,359
We need to stay on, on the one

1785
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:52,420
tip for a while.

1786
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:53,960
Yeah, just the tip.

1787
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:56,800
Just you stay on just one, this one

1788
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,680
tip for a while.

1789
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,240
And yeah, and then, and just to, because

1790
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,500
that's the other problem is, is that the,

1791
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,340
the sort of like news cycle, you know,

1792
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,080
you, you put out an article or something

1793
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:11,480
like that.

1794
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:13,560
And then if you don't follow up, if

1795
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,600
you don't kind of continue to, to write

1796
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,480
and put out information, it just gets completely

1797
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:18,880
lost.

1798
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,860
So we'll need to, you know, I'll need

1799
01:10:22,860 --> 01:10:27,440
to continue on this sort of strain until

1800
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,460
we start to see some movement, you know,

1801
01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:32,420
and, and just, or at least run it

1802
01:10:32,420 --> 01:10:35,640
until, you know, we, we think we've sort

1803
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,300
of wrenched every drop out of, of, of

1804
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,680
the evangelism effort that we can possibly do.

1805
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,200
Yeah.

1806
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:44,020
And I think that we should probably, you

1807
01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:47,260
know, if something just isn't being adopted for

1808
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:50,180
whatever reason, then maybe that's a signal we

1809
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:50,940
take as well.

1810
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,040
Maybe we need to move on to a

1811
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:52,560
different one.

1812
01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:54,420
Yeah, maybe so.

1813
01:10:54,540 --> 01:10:54,720
Yeah.

1814
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,820
And then that can be our leadership evangelism

1815
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:58,200
role.

1816
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:00,640
What is that like?

1817
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:00,860
Yeah.

1818
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,520
Like evangelism.

1819
01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:05,140
We also need to have Matt Medeiros on

1820
01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:05,400
the show.

1821
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,720
Cause he's the, he's an evangelist.

1822
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:07,780
He's a troublemaker, man.

1823
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,700
I don't know if we want him on

1824
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:09,000
the show.

1825
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:09,660
He's trouble.

1826
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,120
He's just, he's a YouTuber.

1827
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,160
He's not a podcaster.

1828
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,180
Whoa.

1829
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:17,500
Oh, I'm throwing down that.

1830
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,820
Now you really got to have him on

1831
01:11:18,820 --> 01:11:19,140
the show.

1832
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:21,300
I want to, I want to hear spicy

1833
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:21,780
Matt.

1834
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:25,080
Mad Matt, not spicy Matt.

1835
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:25,720
Mad Matt.

1836
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,000
Matt, I want to hear that.

1837
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:28,440
Okay.

1838
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:28,780
Yeah.

1839
01:11:28,780 --> 01:11:31,180
You just, you, you just, I did, I

1840
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:33,140
did fighting words on the show in the,

1841
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:33,960
in the board meeting.

1842
01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:36,360
All right.

1843
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:36,840
Let me see.

1844
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,420
Oh, let's, let's thank some people, Dave.

1845
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,000
And we can wrap up with some, with

1846
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,020
some nice love talk.

1847
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,640
Okay.

1848
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:43,920
I'll kick it off.

1849
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:45,640
We have been receiving some live boosts as

1850
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,380
much appreciated and some good ones too.

1851
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:51,620
11,155 from Ross Clark.

1852
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:52,700
Ross Clark.

1853
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:53,280
I don't know.

1854
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:54,760
I don't know if I, if I've ever

1855
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,300
seen Ross Clark.

1856
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,560
R A S C L A R T.

1857
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:01,260
Ross Clark.

1858
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,640
I'm going to, you know, I think we've,

1859
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:05,420
I think we've got a defragment Ross Clark.

1860
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,760
I don't think Ross Clark has ever boosted.

1861
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,500
I could be wrong.

1862
01:12:12,140 --> 01:12:14,100
Isn't that Dreb Scott's kids?

1863
01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:16,340
Well, he fragmented.

1864
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:17,880
Yes, I believe so.

1865
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:23,160
And Ross Clark says, appreciate you.

1866
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:24,320
I N P C.

1867
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:26,400
I N P C.

1868
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,420
I N P C.

1869
01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:28,620
I N P C.

1870
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,480
What does that mean?

1871
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:29,780
I N P C.

1872
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,200
In no particular case.

1873
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,720
It's a short, it's an abbreviation for anthroponetic.

1874
01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:39,800
A thousand sats from, and he's coming in

1875
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:40,360
from Podverse.

1876
01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:41,980
Actually there's CLAAS on Linux.

1877
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,540
Just coming in with a fresh boost.

1878
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:44,720
Thousand sats.

1879
01:12:44,820 --> 01:12:45,760
Almost got run over.

1880
01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:47,440
I'm on a walk and it's dark.

1881
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:48,920
Normally I have a light, but that wasn't

1882
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:49,320
charged.

1883
01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:51,060
Car got very close, man.

1884
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,840
I don't want to die listening to Dave

1885
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,220
talk about riding the tip.

1886
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:56,420
Don't walk around at night in all black.

1887
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,140
Let that be a warning to all of

1888
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:58,360
you.

1889
01:12:59,180 --> 01:13:01,640
If you, if you have to go out,

1890
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,180
I really don't want you to go out

1891
01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:04,420
listening to my voice.

1892
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,420
I want it to be much more meaningful

1893
01:13:06,420 --> 01:13:07,180
than that.

1894
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:09,960
CLAAS comes back with another thousand sats.

1895
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,000
The tech part is not hard, bro.

1896
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,480
My feed parser is already over 1500 lines

1897
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:17,040
long and it doesn't work yet.

1898
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,200
I don't even want that much data from

1899
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:19,540
a feed.

1900
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:20,920
Probably should refactor it.

1901
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,540
Put people out, out a lot, or put

1902
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:25,480
out a lot of bad different things in

1903
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:26,060
their feeds.

1904
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,720
Well, yes, this is why the podcast index

1905
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:29,320
exists.

1906
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:30,860
This is why we're here.

1907
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,600
To handle that stuff, handle that stuff for

1908
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:34,820
you.

1909
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:36,980
Another CLAAS on Linux.

1910
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:38,840
AI now is good when you do code

1911
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:39,820
stuff that is common.

1912
01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:42,180
Also don't go in with threads too long.

1913
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,340
It's going to screw up too.

1914
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:45,140
Don't use AI for code if you don't

1915
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:46,960
know how to read what it wants to

1916
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:47,180
do.

1917
01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:49,040
Well, that's very helpful and that's not the

1918
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:49,420
promise.

1919
01:13:50,060 --> 01:13:51,380
That is not the promise.

1920
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,820
Another reason why Satya Nadella is full of

1921
01:13:54,820 --> 01:14:00,020
crap is because Copilot, I've tried to use

1922
01:14:00,020 --> 01:14:00,740
it two times.

1923
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,260
I've tried to use it in Excel and

1924
01:14:03,260 --> 01:14:04,800
I asked it to produce a pie chart

1925
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,760
for me and it said chug, chug, chug,

1926
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,180
chug.

1927
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,480
It actually says chug?

1928
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:10,320
It says chug?

1929
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:12,220
Yeah, it does a chug.

1930
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:13,080
It doesn't say a chug.

1931
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:13,600
Oh, okay.

1932
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:15,820
It just chugs along for a minute and

1933
01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:17,740
then it pops up and it goes, ping,

1934
01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:19,200
I made you a pie chart.

1935
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:21,660
Where's that pie chart?

1936
01:14:21,860 --> 01:14:22,480
It's not there.

1937
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,460
You can't find it.

1938
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:28,100
It's probably, no, it's on your OneDrive.

1939
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:31,440
Go get it out of the folder on

1940
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:31,980
your OneDrive.

1941
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,320
And then today I used it.

1942
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,200
I was looking at a clearly a phishing

1943
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,540
email and I hit the summarize button at

1944
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:43,020
the top of my Outlook window and I

1945
01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:44,800
thought, because I hit it, because I thought,

1946
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,080
I wonder if it'll tell me this looks

1947
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,860
like a phishing email because it was clearly

1948
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:49,680
a phishing email.

1949
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,380
And so I hit the summarize button and

1950
01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:53,000
guess what happened?

1951
01:14:54,460 --> 01:14:55,400
It summarized it.

1952
01:14:56,460 --> 01:14:57,340
Outlook crashed.

1953
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:58,320
Yes.

1954
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,760
So I opened Outlook back up, hit the

1955
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,380
summarize button again, and it crashed again.

1956
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,540
Okay, this thing is a piece of crap.

1957
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:06,560
Wow.

1958
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,260
But it's the future.

1959
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,500
And you know, this will all work great

1960
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:12,040
when we have quantum computing.

1961
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:13,700
So don't worry, it's all coming.

1962
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:15,300
That's what it needs.

1963
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:16,360
Yeah, it needs what it needs.

1964
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,100
You ever notice that they talk about qubits

1965
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:19,300
in quantum computing?

1966
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:22,260
Yeah, qubits.

1967
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:23,620
Yeah, where else do you know?

1968
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,620
I only know qubits from one other place.

1969
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:28,100
What is that?

1970
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,540
From the Bible.

1971
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:32,660
Oh, but it's spelled differently.

1972
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,960
It's spelled differently, sure.

1973
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:36,720
But you can't fool me, Silicon Valley.

1974
01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:39,520
No, they're building the digital Noah's Ark.

1975
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:40,120
That's right.

1976
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,800
Row of ducks from Lyceum coming in from

1977
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:43,860
pod fans.

1978
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,480
Dave, welcome back to the blogosphere.

1979
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,980
I've been blogging since 2002.

1980
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,100
This is Martin Lindeskog.

1981
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,980
I will read your long form blog post

1982
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:52,720
during the weekend.

1983
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,460
I will link to it in the near

1984
01:15:54,460 --> 01:15:54,800
future.

1985
01:15:55,260 --> 01:15:56,840
I am more of a pundit blogger.

1986
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,500
You have the ducks in a row.

1987
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,120
I look forward to going live in the

1988
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,520
future as soon as I figured out the

1989
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,000
way of doing it on podhome.fm. All

1990
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,880
the best, Martin Lindeskog.

1991
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,140
Martin, can I get on your blog roll?

1992
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,380
Just came in 5,000 stats from the

1993
01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:14,340
no agenda millennial.

1994
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:18,040
Basing your AI view on copilot or chat

1995
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,100
GPT is like saying podcast apps suck and

1996
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:22,660
only use Apple and Spotify.

1997
01:16:23,260 --> 01:16:24,980
Might I suggest Claude AI?

1998
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:26,640
Yes, you might.

1999
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,740
But I'm not doing it again.

2000
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:30,840
I've got void zero.

2001
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,880
That's a void zero.

2002
01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:37,440
My AI, my void zero AI reached out

2003
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:41,540
to me through Telegram and said, silly man,

2004
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,820
I know everything about liquid soap.

2005
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:46,200
Let's do a coding session together.

2006
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:48,800
That's what I want.

2007
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:53,080
I don't want artificial intelligence.

2008
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,600
I want actual intelligence.

2009
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:55,080
Exactly.

2010
01:16:55,220 --> 01:16:56,240
Well, I'm getting it.

2011
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:57,200
That's what's so beautiful.

2012
01:16:58,180 --> 01:17:04,100
Oh, 10,948 Israeli freedom boost from Sir

2013
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:04,840
Brian of London.

2014
01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:05,960
Hey, Brian.

2015
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:07,040
Coming in on podverse.

2016
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,620
If anyone in the audience is a current

2017
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:12,480
computer science student, PhD student or researcher and

2018
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,480
wants to help me publish something about pod

2019
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:15,600
paying, get in touch.

2020
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,420
I want to talk.

2021
01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:18,600
Dr. Brian of London.

2022
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,700
Hey, Dr. Nice.

2023
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:21,900
420.

2024
01:17:22,140 --> 01:17:22,820
Brian back on the saddle.

2025
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:23,640
Yes.

2026
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:25,160
420.

2027
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,760
Well, he's not being bombarded with missiles recently.

2028
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,320
So it's easier to think.

2029
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,180
It's easier to think when missiles aren't dropping

2030
01:17:32,180 --> 01:17:32,720
on your head.

2031
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,340
420 stats from Lyceum.

2032
01:17:35,340 --> 01:17:39,000
Coming in from true fans.

2033
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:41,640
Adam, what are your plans for April 20th?

2034
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:43,740
I'm not a pothead, but I am for

2035
01:17:43,740 --> 01:17:44,580
legalization.

2036
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,200
Here's a super comment with 420 Satoshi's best

2037
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:48,640
premises.

2038
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,820
Oh, that's Martin Lindsay Koge again.

2039
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:53,620
I don't celebrate that anymore.

2040
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,620
I've never really had.

2041
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,560
1234 from Salty Crayon.

2042
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,000
Salty Sage.

2043
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:02,820
Dave will need to verify his favorite flavor

2044
01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:03,460
of crayon.

2045
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,800
The mix between beef milkshake and popcorn in

2046
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:06,240
the pipe.

2047
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:08,800
Periwinkle.

2048
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:09,880
That's my favorite crayon.

2049
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:12,880
A thousand again from Silos on Linux.

2050
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,700
The blue check mark on X is paid.

2051
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,780
Yes, it costs about $50 a month now.

2052
01:18:17,220 --> 01:18:19,440
54 in Germany for the highest tier called

2053
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:20,420
premium plus.

2054
01:18:21,380 --> 01:18:22,300
Good Lord.

2055
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,000
Salty Crayon on CurioCaster.

2056
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:25,360
He got the bad signal.

2057
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:26,260
Thank you very much.

2058
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,460
Then let me see.

2059
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,060
Do we have the.

2060
01:18:31,060 --> 01:18:31,680
The.

2061
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:35,020
Randy Black.

2062
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:38,680
That's just before the delimiter, so we'll hit

2063
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,220
that one.

2064
01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:41,540
5000 sats from Podverse.

2065
01:18:41,740 --> 01:18:44,040
Dave Jones must be commended and acknowledged for

2066
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,400
the legend he is.

2067
01:18:48,220 --> 01:18:51,060
A tremendous blog post on the value of

2068
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:53,480
live podcasting came out and was able to

2069
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:55,520
be featured in the pod news newsletter.

2070
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:56,900
Way to go, Dave.

2071
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,600
Running with scissors, but be sure to not

2072
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,460
raw dog it like you did with that

2073
01:19:01,460 --> 01:19:01,880
curry.

2074
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,680
It was tremendously long.

2075
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,760
And then just on the very edge here,

2076
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,440
the cutting edge triple, no, four sevens from

2077
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:15,960
Dreb Scott.

2078
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,480
That's why I heard the angel boost, boost,

2079
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:17,900
boost, boost.

2080
01:19:18,260 --> 01:19:20,520
And one more thousand sad boost from Silos

2081
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,040
on Linux.

2082
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,520
You only don't celebrate 420 because of those

2083
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,140
six BTC you spent.

2084
01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:28,940
That's right.

2085
01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:29,860
That's right.

2086
01:19:29,860 --> 01:19:32,340
I once bought when, what was the name

2087
01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:33,800
of the online marketplace?

2088
01:19:37,060 --> 01:19:38,180
Oh, Silk Road.

2089
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:38,940
Silk Road.

2090
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:39,140
Yeah.

2091
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,400
When Silk Road was just starting up and

2092
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,340
I tried it and I'm like, well, and

2093
01:19:43,340 --> 01:19:44,360
we did it on no agenda.

2094
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:45,100
I was like, well, let me see if

2095
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:46,000
I can buy some weed.

2096
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,300
And I bought a baggie of weed for

2097
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:49,300
six Bitcoin.

2098
01:19:52,060 --> 01:19:55,760
I mean, I thought I was a genius

2099
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,700
and when I sold six Bitcoin back, you

2100
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:01,240
know, a few years ago for $1,800

2101
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,060
each to, for a trip to California, I

2102
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:06,460
was like, man, I sold it right at

2103
01:20:06,460 --> 01:20:06,860
the top.

2104
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:07,420
Nailed it.

2105
01:20:09,540 --> 01:20:10,260
Nailed it.

2106
01:20:10,780 --> 01:20:12,480
Well, they're just coming in hot now.

2107
01:20:13,220 --> 01:20:15,160
Four, four sevens from GagglePod.

2108
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:16,100
GagglePod.

2109
01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:19,360
That's Kyle from Once Told here.

2110
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:20,840
Once told.

2111
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,320
I think he needs to be defragmented.

2112
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,420
I wonder if podcast hosting companies know that

2113
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:29,220
they can support the lit tag without needing

2114
01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:30,960
to provide the actual streaming server.

2115
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:32,380
Love you guys.

2116
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:33,140
Have a great weekend.

2117
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:34,460
Go podcasting.

2118
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:35,500
Go podcasting!

2119
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:36,180
Yeah.

2120
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:37,200
Yeah, of course.

2121
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,220
RSS.com does and Blueberry both.

2122
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,540
They both do that.

2123
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:46,900
And Podhome and I think RSSblue.com support

2124
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:48,900
it and Podhome even gives you a streaming

2125
01:20:48,900 --> 01:20:49,320
server.

2126
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:50,200
Yeah.

2127
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:50,800
Spin one up.

2128
01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:52,660
I think they're the only one so far

2129
01:20:52,660 --> 01:20:53,240
that does.

2130
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:53,740
Yeah.

2131
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:55,400
But the rest of them that support, yeah,

2132
01:20:55,420 --> 01:20:56,320
they definitely know that.

2133
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,640
It's easy, man.

2134
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,940
Just get yourself some liquid soap, ice cast

2135
01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:01,700
server and chat GPT.

2136
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,160
You'll be on your on the road soon.

2137
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,640
Yeah, it's just that simple.

2138
01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:09,220
And once you recompile your kernel, you'll be

2139
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:09,900
good to go.

2140
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:11,540
Man, what a piece of crap.

2141
01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:12,460
I could not believe it.

2142
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,180
Oh, looks like we got to recompile your

2143
01:21:14,180 --> 01:21:14,480
kernel.

2144
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,220
So FFmpeg will work perfectly.

2145
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,700
I don't think so.

2146
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:18,980
I'm not that stupid.

2147
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:21,040
I haven't recompiled.

2148
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:23,440
I've not recompiled a Linux kernel in many,

2149
01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:24,180
many years.

2150
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:26,700
I wonder what it's even like now.

2151
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:27,640
It used to be this.

2152
01:21:27,900 --> 01:21:29,720
Yeah, there's like DOS screens.

2153
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:30,720
Yeah.

2154
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,340
And you would walk through it and choose

2155
01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:34,240
the modules you wanted to load.

2156
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,100
I've done it.

2157
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:36,860
I've done it.

2158
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,480
Back in the old days with like Red

2159
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:41,500
Hat 6.2 and stuff, you would have,

2160
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,580
you needed to recompile your kernel because it

2161
01:21:43,580 --> 01:21:45,360
has so much bloated crap in it.

2162
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,840
I love BoosterGram.

2163
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,480
So I just got a BoosterGram for the

2164
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:50,400
no agenda show.

2165
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:54,800
Episode 1750, 1,000 sats from someone actually.

2166
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:57,440
And the BoosterGram is, Adam pissed me off

2167
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,160
basically the entire episode.

2168
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:00,620
I love that.

2169
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,160
And they paid you to say that.

2170
01:22:02,340 --> 01:22:02,720
I love that.

2171
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:04,160
That makes me feel so good.

2172
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:04,800
Thank you.

2173
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:05,720
I appreciate that.

2174
01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:06,580
All right.

2175
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:07,740
I hit the delimiter here.

2176
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:08,540
So you're up, Dave.

2177
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:16,780
Oh, theboysatrss.com, Ben and Alberto, 1123.58.

2178
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:17,260
Boom!

2179
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,180
You guys, thank you so much.

2180
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,740
That is truly, truly fantastic.

2181
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,080
Keeps the servers running, boys.

2182
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:30,620
Thank you.

2183
01:22:31,140 --> 01:22:32,480
Thank you to Adam and Dave.

2184
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:34,980
Like the Fibonacci sequence, your work is a

2185
01:22:34,980 --> 01:22:36,660
symbol of growth, balance and beauty.

2186
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:40,360
Each step amplifying the last, pushing open podcasting

2187
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:40,820
forward.

2188
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:43,860
Alberto, Ben and the team at rss.com.

2189
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:45,280
You guys rock.

2190
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:46,720
Thank you.

2191
01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:49,600
They said they're going to be at Evolutions,

2192
01:22:49,780 --> 01:22:51,360
and I was talking to Alberto in the

2193
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,200
emails this morning about some stuff with the

2194
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,640
index database dump.

2195
01:22:56,780 --> 01:23:00,120
Now, is there a PSP get-together at

2196
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,740
Podcast Medium?

2197
01:23:01,980 --> 01:23:02,820
Is that what's happening?

2198
01:23:03,420 --> 01:23:04,100
I don't know.

2199
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,320
I'm remiss because I have not yet read

2200
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,900
the article that they put out because they

2201
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:10,780
just posted something.

2202
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:11,240
Oh, they did?

2203
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:12,080
Oh, OK.

2204
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:12,620
Yeah, yeah.

2205
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,740
Yeah, like a we're not dead yet article

2206
01:23:15,740 --> 01:23:16,280
or whatever.

2207
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Let's see, podcast standards.

2208
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:21,900
Was it pod?

2209
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,020
Yeah, pod stand, pod standards.

2210
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:25,360
Pod standards, there it is.

2211
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:26,200
Blog, let me see.

2212
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,840
What we've achieved and what comes.

2213
01:23:30,260 --> 01:23:30,700
When is this?

2214
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:31,560
When was this posted?

2215
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,100
It was posted like maybe two days ago,

2216
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:34,340
I think.

2217
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,000
Oh, this is a nice article.

2218
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:37,200
OK, I'm going to put that in the

2219
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,080
show notes as well.

2220
01:23:38,860 --> 01:23:39,920
Yeah, I like this.

2221
01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:42,780
I sort of skimmed it, but I printed

2222
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:44,020
it out to go back and read later.

2223
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,280
I just did that today with something.

2224
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,340
I love printing it out and then reading

2225
01:23:48,340 --> 01:23:48,680
it.

2226
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:49,780
It really does help.

2227
01:23:50,380 --> 01:23:52,400
It's so it's so much better on the

2228
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,100
eyes, you know?

2229
01:23:53,340 --> 01:23:55,260
Yeah, we got some monthlies.

2230
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,540
We got oh, wait, wait.

2231
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:57,920
I need to do Instagrams.

2232
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:58,280
What am I doing?

2233
01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:59,120
Yes, what are you doing?

2234
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:01,300
Oh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck.

2235
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:03,900
Twenty two, twenty two through podcast guru.

2236
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,300
He says another good episode.

2237
01:24:06,460 --> 01:24:08,660
Tom definitely has the typical radio voice.

2238
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:10,120
Yes, he does.

2239
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:11,960
Even though he's never been on the radio.

2240
01:24:12,540 --> 01:24:13,240
He's a liar.

2241
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,760
I don't believe him for a second.

2242
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,340
He's been on NPR for years.

2243
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,140
NPR, yes.

2244
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,260
Tom Webster, NPR, Tom Webster, NPR, all things

2245
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:23,780
considered.

2246
01:24:25,140 --> 01:24:26,860
He was on the weekend edition.

2247
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:29,940
The B team.

2248
01:24:31,940 --> 01:24:34,880
I always like the weekend edition of of

2249
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,040
all things of the NPR.

2250
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,040
They had like they weren't your typical.

2251
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,540
They had like more energy and stuff.

2252
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:42,980
They didn't feel like they were dead inside.

2253
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:46,780
It's so true.

2254
01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:51,960
Commissary blogger, the delimiter 17, 655 through fountain.

2255
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,540
Commissary blogger says.

2256
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,540
Howdy, Bitcoin bros, Adam and Dave.

2257
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:59,620
Today, I'd like to recommend many no agenda

2258
01:24:59,620 --> 01:25:03,780
podcast called Planet Rage by two Irish Americans,

2259
01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:06,560
Larry Blytner and Darren O'Neill.

2260
01:25:06,820 --> 01:25:10,100
They basically play clips and swear in vulgar

2261
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:13,100
language and bad mouth Trump haters and Ukraine

2262
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:13,540
lovers.

2263
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:19,440
Find them at www.planetrage.show. Relaxing podcast

2264
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:20,600
for MAGA folk.

2265
01:25:20,980 --> 01:25:21,980
Yo, CSB.

2266
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:24,440
I like Planet Rage.

2267
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:27,120
I haven't listened to it in a while.

2268
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:28,660
They go live as well.

2269
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:31,840
And it's always a perfect walk in the

2270
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,540
dog in the afternoon live show.

2271
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,420
And I often wind up boosting while walking

2272
01:25:36,420 --> 01:25:39,100
and boosting from my flip phone, which is

2273
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:41,120
even more interesting because you can fat finger

2274
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:41,680
that thing.

2275
01:25:42,340 --> 01:25:44,560
Oops, I didn't mean to send 500,000

2276
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:44,840
sets.

2277
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:49,220
It's yeah, they're an interesting team.

2278
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:49,840
I like them.

2279
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:50,740
It's a good show.

2280
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,360
It's a great name too, Planet Rage.

2281
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:55,780
That's exactly the opening of Planet Rage.

2282
01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:57,180
Have you ever heard the opening of Planet

2283
01:25:57,180 --> 01:25:57,600
Rage?

2284
01:25:58,020 --> 01:25:59,880
I haven't listened to that show in about

2285
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:00,720
two years.

2286
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,380
So no, I don't know.

2287
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:03,640
I don't remember what it is.

2288
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,500
Oh man, you got to hear it.

2289
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:06,080
Hold on a second.

2290
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:06,960
Planet Rage.

2291
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:07,440
Let me see.

2292
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:08,120
Where is it?

2293
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:10,940
Here we go.

2294
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,500
Listen to the, oh, here we go.

2295
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,180
Open up the, uh, yeah.

2296
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:18,080
Because that's the way the fucking law is

2297
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,200
written, you prick.

2298
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:26,040
Well, they're, they're doing kind of the no

2299
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,100
agenda format with, in fact, it's a no,

2300
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:30,020
a mini no agenda as comics or bloggers

2301
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:30,260
said.

2302
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,000
And they do a little clip at the

2303
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:32,240
beginning.

2304
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,300
Just listen to the opening montage though.

2305
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,740
It's exactly, you did.

2306
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:51,260
You know, exactly, exactly the way it goes.

2307
01:26:51,860 --> 01:26:52,760
That's funny.

2308
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:54,640
We got some monthlies.

2309
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,440
We got Michael Kimmerer, $5 and 33 cents.

2310
01:26:57,700 --> 01:26:58,800
Chris Bernardik, $5.

2311
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,000
Dreb Scott, hey Dreb, $15.

2312
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:04,160
Jordan Dunville, $10.

2313
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,640
James Sullivan, $10.

2314
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,280
Cohen Glossbach, $5.

2315
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,220
Christopher Reamer, $10.

2316
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:11,720
And Pedro Goncalves, $5.

2317
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:12,440
That's our group.

2318
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:13,260
Ah, lovely.

2319
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:14,220
Thank you all so much.

2320
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:14,820
Look at the time.

2321
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:15,240
Perfect.

2322
01:27:15,460 --> 01:27:18,180
One hour, 27 minutes and 21 seconds, which

2323
01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:19,240
means we could drag it out.

2324
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:20,700
But I have a call coming up at

2325
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:22,140
2.30. I need to publish this thing.

2326
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:22,840
So I'll get it out.

2327
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:24,400
Brother Dave, thank you.

2328
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:25,960
You, you really brought it today, man.

2329
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:27,740
You, you well thought out.

2330
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:28,880
Thank you for the blog post.

2331
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,720
And I love the kind of the direction

2332
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:31,480
that we're going to take.

2333
01:27:31,660 --> 01:27:32,760
And go lit everybody.

2334
01:27:32,860 --> 01:27:33,300
Go lit.

2335
01:27:33,380 --> 01:27:35,060
That's the, that's the term for today is

2336
01:27:35,060 --> 01:27:35,560
go lit.

2337
01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:37,680
Go lit or go home or shut up.

2338
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:38,160
That's right.

2339
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:39,780
Thank you.

2340
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:40,300
Board meeting.

2341
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:40,700
Thank you.

2342
01:27:40,820 --> 01:27:41,160
Boardroom.

2343
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,160
We appreciate y'all.

2344
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,200
Dave, have yourself a great weekend, brother.

2345
01:27:44,780 --> 01:27:45,260
You too, man.

2346
01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:46,640
We'll see you next week, everybody.

2347
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:10,480
For more information.

2348
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,460
Go podcasting.