1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,420 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for May 3 2024, episode 178 is 2 00:00:09,420 --> 00:00:12,390 Friday once again. Hello, everybody. I think we're on 3 00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:16,260 summer Fridays. I don't know. I think we're in a good a good 4 00:00:16,260 --> 00:00:20,430 season right now. Welcome to broadcasting 2.0 We are the only 5 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:23,790 boardroom that has value time splits. And we discussed 6 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:26,010 everything happened in podcasting, everything going on 7 00:00:26,010 --> 00:00:30,870 podcast index.org to namespace podcasting to.org podcast index 8 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:34,530 dot social and I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 9 00:00:34,530 --> 00:00:37,920 Hill Country in Alabama, the man who lets you query him for up to 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,830 10,000 answers and say hello to my friend on the other end the 11 00:00:40,830 --> 00:00:43,890 one and only Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:48,510 Dave Jones: No, it was not a pegleg tightening that was a 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,860 that was written and tightening the microphone stand just before 14 00:00:52,860 --> 00:00:53,550 we started here. It's 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,470 Adam Curry: like a dentist drill or something is like, is it 16 00:01:01,650 --> 00:01:03,960 electric screwdriver? Left? 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Dave Jones: Yeah, drill this. Yeah, wireless. Do 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,430 Adam Curry: you need a you need? You need to tighten up your 19 00:01:08,430 --> 00:01:10,710 microphone stand with a cordless drill. 20 00:01:12,210 --> 00:01:14,970 Dave Jones: It's a little concerning. So it's one of the 21 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:19,980 let's see, what is this? What stand stand is this? This is a 22 00:01:21,060 --> 00:01:24,120 electro voice model 309 A 23 00:01:24,150 --> 00:01:25,110 Adam Curry: Oh, ancient. 24 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:30,120 Dave Jones: Is it just the way it was just the way 25 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:32,940 Adam Curry: but where does it take a drill? 26 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:38,490 Dave Jones: It's it's one of those stands that comes? It goes 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,230 under the 28 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:46,260 Unknown: back. I didn't want to say that. I saw two in the in 29 00:01:46,260 --> 00:01:51,330 the boardroom people. Calm down board members calm down. And 30 00:01:51,330 --> 00:01:53,130 once in the board room going crazy. 31 00:01:54,510 --> 00:01:59,640 Dave Jones: So it's one of those stands that like it doesn't go 32 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:02,670 up and then come back down. Like, you know what I mean? 33 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:03,000 Like? 34 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:04,980 Unknown: I really don't I 35 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:09,450 Adam Curry: really don't know why you mean it low profile? 36 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:14,310 Yeah, like you have. So I guess I'm still okay, maybe let me 37 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:16,890 understand wait for let me what's the model number? Let's 38 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:19,890 just let me type this. Look at a picture. What is what is this? 39 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:20,640 What is this thing? 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,420 Dave Jones: This This may just this may not be this the stand 41 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:27,480 actually, this may be the little holder for the mic. The shock 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,130 mount? Okay. Kind of funny, because there's nothing listed 43 00:02:32,130 --> 00:02:32,370 on this. 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,910 Adam Curry: I have. I have the I'm an old school guy where I 45 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:40,860 want my mic, boom and arm coming from above. And it seems like 46 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:44,940 all the cool kids these days have heard that come from below. 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,600 You know what I mean? So the standard is low and it prompts 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,980 the mic up. It's holding it from underneath and I'm from oh, gee, 49 00:02:53,220 --> 00:02:58,110 where it has to come from. From above. I want it hanging down in 50 00:02:58,110 --> 00:03:00,480 front of my face. Hang it in front of my face. 51 00:03:00,750 --> 00:03:04,170 Dave Jones: See, let's can't mount okay, maybe that's a that 52 00:03:04,170 --> 00:03:06,210 makes sense. I hates an El Gato. 53 00:03:07,050 --> 00:03:10,110 Adam Curry: El Gato. Okay. All right. Yeah, here it is. El 54 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:13,050 Dave Jones: Gato. Mic arm LP for low profile. 55 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:15,360 Adam Curry: Low Profile current wave. Oh, gotta 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,550 Dave Jones: wave mic arm. Yes, yes, 57 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:19,230 Adam Curry: I see it here. Okay, let me see. 58 00:03:19,890 --> 00:03:22,710 Dave Jones: So you're a top you're a top and I'm a bottom is 59 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:23,910 what you're saying? match made 60 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:27,270 Adam Curry: in heaven. Yes, exactly. This is I don't like I 61 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:30,180 don't like being a bottom. I like to top I like the top much 62 00:03:30,180 --> 00:03:35,100 but it feels like that would get in the way of my hands. Well, 63 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:39,180 Dave Jones: it's the it does kind of sometimes. So what but 64 00:03:39,180 --> 00:03:43,950 the problem is I can't my my podcast area is so small. Yeah, 65 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:47,100 that like my screen is directly in front of me. And if I have 66 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:51,630 the if I have the arm in front, it goes right in front of the 67 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:54,150 monitor and I'm having to look around the monitor the entire I 68 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:55,920 mean around the corner. No, this is green. 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,370 Adam Curry: This is how the pros do it. I literally have my eyes 70 00:03:59,370 --> 00:04:05,970 separating around the mic holder scenario. Splits my vision. 71 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:10,530 Absolutely. caps. And I've been doing that for 45 years. So 72 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:13,350 Unknown: yeah, this is what it is really annoying. 73 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:18,120 Adam Curry: But like I if I had any other way I think I would be 74 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:18,900 uncomfortable. 75 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:21,239 Dave Jones: It'd be something would be wrong. Yeah, you're 76 00:04:21,239 --> 00:04:24,959 wrong. Yeah. It would feel very wrong. The only problem with 77 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:30,359 this L LP mic arm. Yeah. Is that it starts to like so I had to 78 00:04:30,359 --> 00:04:33,659 drill a hole on my desk. You know to mount that to me? Of 79 00:04:33,659 --> 00:04:36,929 course. Yeah, of course of course. So then it starts slowly 80 00:04:36,929 --> 00:04:42,269 over time it starts to sag as the as the the bolt holding it 81 00:04:42,269 --> 00:04:46,199 in from the bottom of the desk is slowly unwinds itself for 82 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:50,609 reasons I don't understand. So that's not good. Like, I'll note 83 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:53,729 I'll all sudden notice I can't move my mouse is hitting no 84 00:04:53,729 --> 00:04:56,309 hitting the arm and I have to like go in there and I 85 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:58,530 Adam Curry: realized I need to take another picture of my rig 86 00:04:58,530 --> 00:05:01,260 people have no idea I have it. field I have one of the coolest 87 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:05,130 setups you know I have a desk you always have a killer set I 88 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:11,460 had a desk made to order to size exactly for what I want it I'm 89 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:13,080 gonna have to take another picture I gotta clean it up a 90 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,920 little bit but 91 00:05:14,370 --> 00:05:16,650 Dave Jones: Nathan I can't clamp it to the edge of the desk 92 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:20,220 because there is no edge of this desk this is a desk is an edge 93 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:25,260 list desk it's it's a built in this this this actually built 94 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:28,710 this whole room during the course of this show. I think 95 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:33,330 some people remember that like I built it around around myself as 96 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:35,730 well you know that at one point I was sitting on a five gallon 97 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:39,150 bucket during the show in there's so many letters like 98 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:43,350 this is like a built in desk in there it's It's surrounded on 99 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:46,110 all on three sides by wall like it's actually built into the 100 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:50,640 wall so they can it's a weird thing yeah all right. 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,780 Adam Curry: I just took a picture oh yeah a few I see the 102 00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:58,020 boardroom I can post that off to put this online just put it into 103 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:58,710 the boardroom 104 00:05:59,430 --> 00:06:00,060 Dave Jones: Can you do that 105 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:01,350 Adam Curry: then the benefit homeless 106 00:06:03,090 --> 00:06:04,710 Dave Jones: should take picture this it's not a wise it's a 107 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:05,670 basically a weird it is. 108 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:09,990 Adam Curry: Hey, I'm glad you're tuned in and listen to this 109 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:14,190 boardroom as we sit around taking pictures of ourselves and 110 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:16,470 our gear in our podcasting 111 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:18,480 Dave Jones: in general is so freakin boring right now this is 112 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,530 probably more well you 113 00:06:19,530 --> 00:06:21,630 Adam Curry: know why is because we're not like all the cool 114 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:26,070 kids. We're not doing video as I listened to two hours again, of 115 00:06:26,070 --> 00:06:33,210 the new media show. Two hours, two hours about will your usual 116 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:37,200 the trend shows the trend is a trend is that all the kids are 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,250 doing video 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,650 Dave Jones: and swipe right. I do. I stick with 119 00:06:43,650 --> 00:06:47,250 Adam Curry: it because I love them. I really do. But it's 120 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:51,150 getting harder to love them. It is just getting harder. It's 121 00:06:51,150 --> 00:06:55,590 like I mean, was there any other talk except about that? Is Rob 122 00:06:55,590 --> 00:06:58,230 Greenlee paid by someone to promote YouTube? 123 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,220 Dave Jones: He's well mean he's in he's with stream yard right? 124 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:03,810 Aren't they a video streamer. Okay, 125 00:07:03,810 --> 00:07:06,690 Adam Curry: so that's it, then that's his job. Okay, well, I'm 126 00:07:06,690 --> 00:07:12,390 gonna understand Come on. Just like the same conversation every 127 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:17,130 week. I'm going to be on a 15 hour plane ride. Video is the 128 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:23,490 way to go. That's all I hear. I did learn something else. So and 129 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:26,370 it kind of made sense. Actually. I learned a lot of things 130 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,910 because I learned a lot about the hosting business and and 131 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:35,190 kind of the the sausage of podcasting. And Todd was talking 132 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,340 Yeah, how the sausage is made. Did the ping go out? Do we get 133 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:45,180 the I did the live thing Do I thought I did. Make sure I'm 134 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:49,590 getting no no no, I'm getting I'm getting complaints. Yeah, I 135 00:07:49,590 --> 00:07:51,900 didn't get a ping didn't get a ping. I'm pretty sure I 136 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:56,310 Dave Jones: know you're the tag isn't lit. But 137 00:07:56,310 --> 00:08:02,100 Adam Curry: I I thought I did it. Okay, well I did 138 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,790 Dave Jones: five three now. I mean, it's the tag is the tag 139 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:06,960 still says pending? Now. 140 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Adam Curry: I understand but I thought I had posted with the 141 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,420 live tag a fault. Okay, then it should go in a moment. 142 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:19,230 Dave Jones: gotta bust the cache. I sent you a picture of 143 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:21,030 my my thing did you 144 00:08:21,030 --> 00:08:23,550 Adam Curry: see that? I don't know if I want to see a picture 145 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:24,690 of your thing. We're 146 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:26,700 Dave Jones: talking about sausage. You figured it was 147 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:27,360 appropriate 148 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:33,450 Adam Curry: this Oh wow. You need to put that in the chat. 149 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:36,240 Dave Jones: Well, you can you put it in the chat because 150 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,710 you're way to go. Yeah, yeah. 151 00:08:42,299 --> 00:08:45,659 Adam Curry: We are. We are disaster. We are different. We 152 00:08:45,659 --> 00:08:48,899 are different men. I mean, the picture of my thing is very 153 00:08:48,899 --> 00:08:50,489 different from the picture of your thing. 154 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:55,800 Dave Jones: Okay, help it I need my mic arm is much longer than 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:56,160 your mic. 156 00:08:56,220 --> 00:09:00,600 Adam Curry: i Yeah, yeah, man. You're right on the edge. You 157 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,620 got no room? 158 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:04,800 Dave Jones: The lie is horrible. It was so bad. 159 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:08,850 Adam Curry: I do love the bedside lamp. accessory. 160 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:11,220 Dave Jones: Oh to the lamp getting the pig. 161 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,770 Adam Curry: Oh yeah, the lamp guarding the pig. I like that. 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,370 That's a very that's very nice. I like that as an accessory. And 163 00:09:17,370 --> 00:09:17,670 that is 164 00:09:18,030 --> 00:09:20,640 Dave Jones: how my mouse is directly under the arm that's 165 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,850 when I start hitting the arm I'm like it it's sagging time to 166 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:24,900 time to tighten up 167 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:29,130 Adam Curry: bro. Surely you surely could get a little more 168 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:30,360 space than this. 169 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,850 Dave Jones: I'm in literally in a closet. 170 00:09:33,180 --> 00:09:37,860 Adam Curry: I I've been there many times. For years and years 171 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:40,590 I was podcasting from the clue to remember that was my closet 172 00:09:40,590 --> 00:09:41,040 the cluding 173 00:09:41,370 --> 00:09:45,540 Dave Jones: Claudio Yeah, this you know the GC this DC the 174 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:49,710 shelf? This above directly above the monitor? Yes. Does it 175 00:09:49,710 --> 00:09:54,840 shelves? Yes, that's a shelf and with bins on it. Oh, okay. That 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,150 is another shelf. And above that is another show. 177 00:09:57,270 --> 00:09:59,640 Adam Curry: I'm gonna put these in the show notes since people 178 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,350 Like what is going on with these guys talking about? So here's 179 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:09,120 what I learned. All right, first of all, just to reiterate, doing 180 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,990 video on YouTube is the trend of podcasting. Remember that it's 181 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:16,710 the trend. What do you say? No, it's the trend. Don't fight the 182 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:19,500 trend. Don't fight all the people who just called up 183 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:23,430 YouTube. That's a podcast. Don't fight the trend. If you fight, 184 00:10:23,430 --> 00:10:26,010 you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose out. The 185 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:31,200 industry is moving in this direction. Sure. I mean, I was 186 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,340 walking the dog last night and I think I'd let out an audible. 187 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:39,060 Like one of those sounds just as a dog's leave me what's wrong 188 00:10:39,060 --> 00:10:43,470 with you, bro? It's going on? It was I couldn't take it anymore. 189 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:48,360 Yes, I mean, this is literally no other conversation. 190 00:10:49,650 --> 00:10:52,680 Dave Jones: That's what I'm saying. Podcasting is boring 191 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,260 right now. It's just the all of it is boring. So 192 00:10:55,260 --> 00:10:57,420 Adam Curry: here's what I here's what I learned on the new media 193 00:10:57,420 --> 00:11:02,520 show. That and this of course, in your you recall, we went to 194 00:11:03,870 --> 00:11:07,350 the second and only and definitely the last time I've 195 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:10,620 ever been to a podcast conference. You and I went to 196 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:14,340 Dallas and we had a session. Where did 197 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:19,380 Dave Jones: you use it? Second only and last time? Second was I 198 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:20,520 tried? My brain was like, 199 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:25,020 Adam Curry: hey, video, okay, just video. My brain is on video 200 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:30,780 mode. Okay, sir. The second time I've ever been. No, I think it's 201 00:11:30,780 --> 00:11:33,960 the first and only No, it's the first and only time of No, no. 202 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,940 The first one was the award. No, the New Media Expo. I've been to 203 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:42,960 that. Okay. So this was, but this was the Podcast Movement. 204 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:48,150 And what did they do? And people are surprised when I see you 205 00:11:48,150 --> 00:11:51,870 know, yeah. Hey, you know, we did a thing and we talked about 206 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:54,870 podcasts in Tupelo who was the keynote? No, no, they put us in 207 00:11:54,870 --> 00:12:00,210 a little room at lunchtime. In the back. Yes, they did it but 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,700 but now I remember why. Because Todd is talking about Podcast 209 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:10,710 Movement in Washington DC, where they have course of purchase a 210 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:14,190 booth because this is their business. And and they said we 211 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:18,090 also purchased a session. I'm like, Oh, I forgot. These things 212 00:12:18,090 --> 00:12:23,250 are play pay to play. If you want to Keynote you got to pay. 213 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:27,360 You gotta pay as you got to pay a gold sponsorship. I forgot 214 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,430 about that's not about podcasting. 215 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:32,880 Dave Jones: We didn't pay. We didn't put any Hey, no. Did it 216 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,530 behind the lunchroom? Yeah. And 217 00:12:34,530 --> 00:12:36,960 Adam Curry: this is what a just a reminder, the very first 218 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,780 podcast, conference tooth, I want to say it was 2007 Maybe. 219 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:48,240 And, and the guys who set that up did for him. I think they did 220 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,770 the New Media Expo initially. And I think it was in Vegas. I 221 00:12:52,770 --> 00:12:56,340 think I can't remember so long ago. They said would you do the 222 00:12:56,340 --> 00:12:59,250 keynotes like yeah, you know, I really don't like doing 223 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:02,910 conferences. But yeah, I'll do the keynote. Okay. So and you'll 224 00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:09,570 need to buy a gold sponsorship. What? What now? I heard the 225 00:13:09,570 --> 00:13:12,660 story. Yeah. And so we literally went to Vegas and had an 226 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:16,950 unconference next door. Because it made me so mad. It's like 227 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:19,260 you're not about podcasts and these conferences on about 228 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:22,800 podcasting about making money off of podcasters. 229 00:13:24,060 --> 00:13:28,110 Dave Jones: Well, Sam, Sam says he wants to do like an online 230 00:13:28,110 --> 00:13:29,910 thing. Did you say that? 231 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:32,250 Adam Curry: Yeah. This is what I suggest that I said, Why don't 232 00:13:32,250 --> 00:13:37,890 we do it online? Do it live and lit? And, and now I saw Benjamin 233 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:42,210 Bella Bellamy jump in and say, let's do it in Paris. Okay, 234 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Dave Jones: in Paris. Yeah, he pays. 235 00:13:47,430 --> 00:13:50,130 Adam Curry: I think it should just be online, make it live. 236 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Make it value for value charge? Nothing. I mean, it'll cost some 237 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,240 time to organize it. But everyone can do it from home. 238 00:13:58,290 --> 00:14:01,440 Now, what more do you need? Isn't this? I mean, if you want 239 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,350 to go and hang out and drink with people and spend money then 240 00:14:04,350 --> 00:14:08,340 yeah, go to let's go to the go to the movement. Go to the move. 241 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:10,920 Dave Jones: I would. Oh, yeah, I would definitely hang out on a 242 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,300 live on a live thing. Or do a session or whatever. That sounds 243 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:20,910 like fun. I mean, I think I think having you know, like 244 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:24,900 doing a an event where there was a there's like a few hours where 245 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:28,800 different people teach different parts of podcasting. 2.0 That 246 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,060 sounds fun. And 247 00:14:30,090 --> 00:14:33,750 Adam Curry: yeah, into so many questions. Yeah, I mean, how do 248 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:37,680 I set up my wallet? I'm a musician. How do I do it? I 249 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,670 mean, all these are great things I was just hearing on the live 250 00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:44,130 stream before we start I was listening to unrelenting with 251 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:48,990 Darren and Jean. And, and, and so Darren, he's like, okay, now 252 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:52,560 I have I have my Umbral set up. I got my liquidity. I got my 253 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,130 SATs going back and I was like, Wow, you really went out I said, 254 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:58,830 Now I want to set up wallets for other people do that. Do that 255 00:14:58,830 --> 00:15:02,340 with Ellen bits Am I Oh, man, you know, this isn't there's no 256 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:06,210 education out there. So I got to podcasting to.org, which was 257 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:12,000 what podcasts index.org was going to be, had we accepted to 258 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Daniel J. Lewis is offer. I mean, I'm sorry, I understand 259 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,510 that it's a labor of love. But where do I, where do I learn 260 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:22,140 stuff? 261 00:15:24,390 --> 00:15:28,860 Dave Jones: You know, if we did, if we did, that, maybe that's 262 00:15:28,860 --> 00:15:32,070 where maybe that's where I can, or we or somebody, you know, 263 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:36,240 maybe that's where the community can help is by doing some sort 264 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,230 of instructional content, like little short, little short 265 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:43,740 videos, or something like that, that could be embedded on the 266 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:46,650 podcast, podcasting today. We know that about each 267 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:49,140 Adam Curry: little thing, the best. The best place for this is 268 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:51,480 with the podcast hosting companies. And I find 269 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,400 personally, if I look at RSS blue.com, and pod home.fm, those 270 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,890 guys, they're doing a pretty good job. They've got some 271 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:03,660 pretty decent explanation of what to do you want if you're a 272 00:16:03,660 --> 00:16:08,370 musician, I can send you to RSS moo.com/music. I can all seem to 273 00:16:08,370 --> 00:16:10,860 wave Lake. But if you just want to go learn about it, it's 274 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:14,340 really not there. I don't think that's our job, Adam and Dave's 275 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:19,020 job. This isn't what we're good at. That's why it's not our job. 276 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,250 Anyway, I'm just in a complaining kind of mood. So 277 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:24,120 then I heard on T 278 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,000 Dave Jones: two.org. Though that's I've always thought that 279 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,820 was more I thought that what triggered that whole thing was 280 00:16:29,820 --> 00:16:35,910 the was to try to instruct people like people within the 281 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:42,990 podcast world. Like people like though the one the hosts of the 282 00:16:42,990 --> 00:16:46,680 feed. That they said that they didn't know anything about 283 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:47,760 podcasting to Dotto. 284 00:16:47,790 --> 00:16:52,440 Adam Curry: Well, when I come in and that says, upgrade to 285 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,750 podcast namespace. As just the podcasts are my eyes are rolling 286 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:58,800 in my head already. 287 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,710 Dave Jones: Can we put a pin in that, by the way? Yeah, sure. 288 00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:04,950 Adam Curry: I'm not I'm not saying that anyone's doing a bad 289 00:17:04,950 --> 00:17:07,320 job on this. It's just that I thought it was going to be 290 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,840 marketing oriented and doesn't really feel like that. 291 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,820 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, because I want to come back to least 292 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:17,100 it's something you said upgrading to the podcast 293 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:21,120 namespace reminded me of a comment on pod news weekly 294 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,760 review about about replacing the items. 295 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,050 Adam Curry: Not do that right now. I just heard that. And they 296 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:30,390 had more complaining, oh, they'll make complaints and 297 00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:33,630 more. I'll lead you into complaints about pod news weekly 298 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:38,310 review. So the complaint I had is, it was a little unclear 299 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:42,570 because I guess they had some conversation about music and 300 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:46,830 Spotify and whatever. And on the last episode, and they must have 301 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:50,580 cut that out or I don't know, it was a little confusing. But then 302 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:53,400 James said, If I heard him right, he said, you know, this 303 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,410 has nothing to do with podcasting. And like, Well hold 304 00:17:55,410 --> 00:18:00,150 on a second music music is podcasting. Now these days? That 305 00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:05,160 now he may not think so. But I think so. If you have an RSS 306 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,040 feed, and you have an mp3 in there, or any other type of 307 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,860 enclosure, it's a podcast. And and very appropriately. So the 308 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:19,800 story was kind of about the compensation of copyrighted 309 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:25,980 musical works on on Spotify, that they've figured out a cool 310 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:29,340 way to lower that because they're now a bundled service 311 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,190 having added audiobooks, and we talked about that last week, I 312 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:32,670 think, yeah, 313 00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:34,680 Dave Jones: that was a genius move on their part. Yep, he 314 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,030 does. And 315 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,710 Adam Curry: for journalists, I don't know James, like, Oh, 316 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:39,510 we're not talking about I don't know why that was just something 317 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:42,000 weird. It's almost sound like Spotify and called said, Don't 318 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,410 you dare talk about remove your Spotify account? I don't know 319 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:47,700 what it was, it was something weird. 320 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:51,810 Unknown: Is their marketing guy? Well, that's for sure. 321 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:58,260 Adam Curry: And, and so I come across this, this video on AIX, 322 00:18:58,410 --> 00:19:02,550 I thought it was so appropriate. Because as usual, we're right on 323 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:04,260 time with this stuff. So 324 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:08,520 Unknown: the second round, coyotes have hit universal. And 325 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,080 last week, it was Interscope. This week, it's capital. And I 326 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,570 want you to notice the divisions that they're cutting. I mean, 327 00:19:15,570 --> 00:19:18,720 they are cutting out whole divisions. And it's from the 328 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,140 executive to the street level. And it's mostly in radio 329 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:27,780 promotion, and marketing, and creative. So what does that 330 00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:34,860 mean? Record companies are going tech taking all of the personal 331 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:38,370 element out of it very slowly. And if radio doesn't feed the 332 00:19:38,370 --> 00:19:42,780 monster soon, radio is gonna get eaten by the monster. And that's 333 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:44,640 where the next cuts are going to happen. 334 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:48,180 Adam Curry: Completely agree. This is exactly where we're at. 335 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:51,000 Dave Jones: What was this? What is that just here? 336 00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:55,650 Adam Curry: So this is a music label guy talking about the cuts 337 00:19:55,650 --> 00:19:59,790 that are taking place at add labels. And you know and so it's 338 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:03,630 it's It's the entire vertical. It's from the executive. It's 339 00:20:03,630 --> 00:20:07,260 all the radio division. So, you know, how was radio always 340 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:11,250 traditionally worked was it's the discovery mechanism. And 341 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:13,950 kids aren't listening to Radio anymore. You're not discovering 342 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:15,150 new music on radio. 343 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:17,910 Dave Jones: You're just discovering Sirius XM numbers. 344 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:20,130 Oh, no, I did that was brutal. No, I 345 00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:21,750 Unknown: did not. Oh, they lost 346 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:23,670 Dave Jones: like half a million subscribers in the first 347 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:24,720 quarter. But 348 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,580 Adam Curry: they must have had at least a billion dollars in 349 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:30,810 podcast advertising because someone has it. It's somewhere 350 00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:34,980 in here. It's 2 billion now. 351 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:38,970 Dave Jones: Somebody has the other 1.8 billion. I'm not sure 352 00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:41,160 where it is. Somewhere. 353 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:44,730 Adam Curry: I mean, Joe Rogan has a quarter billion so yeah, 354 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:49,890 Dave Jones: cool. Yeah. So 1.8 somewhere. VMs. Hold holding 355 00:20:49,890 --> 00:20:52,080 steady, according to. We're good. 356 00:20:52,110 --> 00:20:55,080 Adam Curry: So I bring this up on the day. Of course, that is 357 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,490 the unofficial one year anniversary of the value time 358 00:20:59,490 --> 00:21:04,260 split. Yes, yes. And we played on episode 131. Happy 359 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:09,660 anniversary. Happy anniversary. Especially to Alex gates. But a 360 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:16,380 large hand in this episode 131 of the boardroom, the 131st 361 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:19,650 board meeting, and we play and be for running with that. 362 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:25,350 Humongous humongous testicle slicing scissors. Exactly. And 363 00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:29,490 we played Joe Martin's high gravity as the very first value 364 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:35,400 times but and, and so I'm really I feel sad for the for the radio 365 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,630 promotion people. You know, there's, there's, there's a 366 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:43,530 whole system that has worked for so long and radio but radio. 367 00:21:43,950 --> 00:21:47,310 Yeah, okay. They still have $100 billion dollars worth of 368 00:21:47,310 --> 00:21:52,980 advertising, I'm sure. But there is such an opportunity that 369 00:21:52,980 --> 00:21:57,180 we're taking advantage of with these music shows. And it'll 370 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:01,170 take years as things usually do. But the human element is there. 371 00:22:01,170 --> 00:22:05,160 That's what I like so much. It's not an automated playlist that 372 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,790 comes from some deal with the label which comes from some you 373 00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:13,440 know, some independent promoter who's paid for ads on stations 374 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,260 and the ads are part of the charts and the charts are a part 375 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:21,000 of the feedback loop and and then we'll have everything the 376 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,450 old school way except the the drugs and the hookers. 377 00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:28,500 Everything else will be the same. It'll be great marketing, 378 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:33,780 promotion, artists relations, sharing music. When I put 379 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:36,420 together a boosted grand ball. I have another one coming. I go 380 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:39,270 and listen to the other shows. What are these guys plan? What 381 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:42,150 are they picking up on? You know this you 382 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:43,410 Dave Jones: got another you got another ball. 383 00:22:43,470 --> 00:22:45,720 Adam Curry: I got a ball come and got a ball ready to drop? 384 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:46,620 Because as I 385 00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:48,330 Dave Jones: was noticing the other day that that has been 386 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:48,870 well, its 387 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Adam Curry: highest. I know it's been busy. I mean, it we got 388 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:57,960 three wars going on China on deck. Man, he's a busy man. I'm 389 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,160 busy man. Yeah, exactly. 390 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:03,030 Dave Jones: There's definitely skullduggery going on across 391 00:23:03,030 --> 00:23:07,110 the, you know, across all of this, all of the media 392 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:11,790 entertainment ecosystem pair. So Paramount is, looks like they're 393 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:14,970 about to get. They're about to get bid on by Sony. And 394 00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:18,270 Adam Curry: apparently, Paramount has been the value was 395 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:22,350 dropped in half. It's about to be purchased in bits and pieces 396 00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:26,730 by Laurie Larry Ellison's kid over at Apollo. What is it 397 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:30,870 really worth? Who cares anymore? Someone told me? I was No, I was 398 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:34,530 reading somewhere, whatever you do, don't sell your DVD and blu 399 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:37,560 ray players, because this streaming thing just might not 400 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,460 work out. 401 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:44,310 Dave Jones: I'm not that. Not. I wouldn't be surprised if that 402 00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:47,730 was right. I mean, that that would not come as a shocker to 403 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:53,760 me. I feel like I feel like we've gone too far too fast. 404 00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:56,910 Adam Curry: Well, when we had a lot of money, it was easy. Yeah, 405 00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:58,860 I gotta remind people about this. 406 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,260 Dave Jones: Everybody started saying that. That bandwidth was 407 00:24:04,290 --> 00:24:09,420 no longer an impediment. But that's really not that really 408 00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:13,530 wasn't the case. Bandwidth is only not an input is not an 409 00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:17,520 impediment only if you have lots and lots of free money. If you 410 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,020 have no free money, bandwidth is a real impediment. If you're if 411 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:26,820 you're pushing if you're pushing petabytes of data a day, 412 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:31,140 somebody has to pay for that. And it is not cheap. And 413 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:34,200 somebody has to pay for the rights of all this content. In 414 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,220 some I mean, it's just not affiliate we went this is 415 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:45,000 similar to this is similar to Kin, the to the Kindle, ebook 416 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,340 reader stuff. That went very fast. And it was like, Oh, cool. 417 00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:54,360 Look, here's the thing that you can do, where you can distribute 418 00:24:54,420 --> 00:25:01,890 books over electronically over the internet, too. A device. And 419 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,290 obviously because you the fact that you can do that means that 420 00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:09,600 books are dead, and nobody's there and we're never going to 421 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,610 end we're not going to need books anymore. And all books, 422 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,940 you can just all the bookstores are going to be gone. This is a, 423 00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:19,230 this is a book killer. And then you had people calling them dead 424 00:25:19,230 --> 00:25:23,250 trees, you know, traditional books, you buy in a derisive 425 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:29,280 way. And then lo and behold, as people's, as most people's 426 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,080 Kindles, right, get get worn down, as the battery starts 427 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440 having problems or the screen gets wonky. They just toss them 428 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,100 in the trash, and they don't buy a new one. Same thing that 429 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:47,910 happened with the Alexa and all the smart home devices. Your you 430 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:51,630 these people have not is bought on new ones when the old they 431 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:56,520 slowly at the attrition has happened. And guess what? Now 432 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,890 I'm look, I'm going to go around town, at least here in 433 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:02,790 Birmingham. We have there's a fairly decent number of 434 00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:06,630 bookstores now that have come back. I mean, there's a thriving 435 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:10,500 market now for real paper books. 436 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,260 Adam Curry: Yeah, I wouldn't say that the that it's as thriving 437 00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:22,500 as it was for sure. And I think digital books have a very long 438 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:23,820 future ahead of them. 439 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:33,180 Dave Jones: Sure, I can tell you I can I can. I can name at least 440 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:36,240 half a dozen people that I know of that were all Kindle all the 441 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,850 time. And they just churn. Sure. They just they when there's gave 442 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:44,850 up, they just they just eventually it just evaporated 443 00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:47,970 onto the shelf somewhere into a drawer. And now whenever they 444 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:52,410 read they read a book. Yeah, you know, it balanced out. So when I 445 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:54,960 guess what I'm saying is like, I'm starting to see it now used 446 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,380 to, we would see on the streaming side of things. What 447 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,870 you would do you knew that whatever it was you were going 448 00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:07,470 to watch would be free somewhere. And so you would just 449 00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:11,280 figure out okay, is it on Netflix? Is it on prime? Is it 450 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,270 on Hulu? Why isn't an apple what? Where? Where is it? You 451 00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:16,950 knew it was gonna be free somewhere somebody had the 452 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:21,060 right, that is now no longer the case. Right? Many, many times 453 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:23,910 you've you're like, oh, I want to go watch this old TV show or 454 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:27,240 this old movie. And you can't find it for free that with a 455 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,350 subscription anywhere. And so you end up having to buy it. And 456 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:33,750 at that point, I'm like, Well, you know, what, if I'm having to 457 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:36,960 buy it anyway, maybe I should buy it in the hardcopy and have 458 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,990 it and have it forever. But I mean, I guess I'm saying that I 459 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:44,070 think that, like with the free money things go. We get out 460 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,610 people get over their skis a little too far. Yeah. And then 461 00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:50,310 it has to balance out. And that may be what's happening now. 462 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:55,170 Adam Curry: Yes, and I think if you're going to read a book, 463 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,490 then I would suggest Neil postman's amusing ourselves to 464 00:27:59,490 --> 00:28:04,290 death. Because that's exactly where we're at. We have amused 465 00:28:04,290 --> 00:28:10,110 ourselves into oblivion is too much. Just this too much. It's 466 00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:14,340 too much. It's too much. And, you know, the idea that we're 467 00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:17,700 all going to be discovered through discovery to algorithms. 468 00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:20,700 Yeah. Why didn't you need to be on YouTube to be discovered 469 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,270 because podcasting has no algorithms. You need to be 470 00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:30,690 regular, consistent, make an outstanding product in audio, I 471 00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:36,360 would say and you'll be okay. Everything else is crap. It's 472 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:41,280 all turned to crap. There's I mean, there's it's all this just 473 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,330 crap. Yeah. And and yes, 474 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:48,180 Dave Jones: people are getting people are getting smoked me 475 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:52,410 like the you know, the the unemployment rate. I saw that 476 00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:55,740 chart or not the unemployment rate, the hiring firing rate is 477 00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:59,970 way down. Yeah. Is the lowest it's been adjust population 478 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:04,020 adjusted. The hiring rate is the lowest it's been since 2016. I 479 00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:04,320 mean, it's 480 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,710 Adam Curry: bad. Yeah. dwarfs is Cory Doctorow and shoot 481 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:09,480 suffocation. Yeah, yeah, 482 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:12,720 Dave Jones: that's exactly right. True. And then you saw 483 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,900 Amazon as speaking of the Alexa stuff and how we've had this, 484 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:20,550 this pullback against. I'm trying to, mentally in the back 485 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:23,880 of my head, I'm trying to label this phenomenon. And I don't 486 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,440 know exactly what to call it. But it's this idea that, that we 487 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,220 went that we just went way out in front. And now things are 488 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:37,530 balancing back out. Because you know, did you see that? Amazon 489 00:29:37,530 --> 00:29:42,270 laid off like, get rid of almost all their Alexa team? Oh, yeah, 490 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:45,570 of course. Because I mean, they wanted that department. The 491 00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:48,450 bone? Yeah, yeah. Because nobody's buying those things. We 492 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:51,630 used to have five in our house. Now we have one. I can't still 493 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:55,290 have one. It's in. It's in my daughter's room for her to 494 00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:58,410 listen to me to Spotify and that's all she ever does to it. 495 00:29:58,740 --> 00:30:03,300 In It. They I mean, we just have five of those things. And I 496 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,860 mean, I can I can just see there's this. There's this this 497 00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:11,820 idea that technology the day's absorb. I think that's a good 498 00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:15,750 one. zero interest rate policy. Yeah. zero interest rate policy. 499 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:20,370 Yeah. Phenomenon zero interest rate phenomenon. ZURB, like 500 00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:23,970 ZURB? Yes, it's the end of the hype cycle. Yeah, that's right 501 00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:28,050 is the end of the hype cycle. But there's a lot of these hype 502 00:30:28,050 --> 00:30:30,540 cycles are ending all at once. I think that's what it is. It's 503 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:33,840 like this overlap of like four or five different hype cycles. 504 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,710 One of which is the I think the AI hype cycle is starting to 505 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:39,870 fade. Oh, 506 00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:43,860 Adam Curry: let me tell you, let me tell you, let me tell you. I 507 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:49,140 got I got a clip here for you, too, about the AI hype cycle. 508 00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:56,010 Okay. For me, the joke always is, if we only had more power, 509 00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:59,610 more compute power, it would work if we had more compute 510 00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:05,070 power. Right? We need more chips, more compute power, then 511 00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:09,240 it then it won't make mistakes, then it won't hallucinate. Yes. 512 00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:14,700 So Larry Fink is the CEO of Blackrock. And Blackrock is 513 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,300 arguably when Larry Fink speaks, people listen, because he's the 514 00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:24,780 Blackrock has $10 trillion under investment management. Yet, 515 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:29,940 Blackrock owns at least four to 5% of everything. Except 516 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:33,360 podcast, literally. Every year, you can look at any shareholder 517 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,600 say, No, there's BlackRock. So when he speaks, and he was at 518 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,210 the World Economic Forum, which normally I would ignore, it's a 519 00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:43,740 drinking club, but he was in Saudi Arabia two days ago. And 520 00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:49,980 he brings up the issue of AI Now, bear in mind, please, that 521 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:57,180 we're still trying to get Apple and other organizations to use 522 00:31:57,180 --> 00:32:01,350 pod ping. And then we see a lot of very forward thinking groups 523 00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:05,640 starting to jump on the pod ping bandwagon, bandwagon, dip Pocket 524 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,630 Casts Pocket Casts, but also on the on the hosting side, we've 525 00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:14,460 got Spreaker on Spreaker. I think Spreaker. Yeah. Podcast 526 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:18,480 being being podcast. What is it, pod? bean pod bean, exactly. 527 00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:21,090 Dave Jones: These are not audio means which is a fringe podcast, 528 00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:22,170 and may 529 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:25,470 Adam Curry: we so these are very smart, forward thinking people 530 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:29,670 because you know, it's wasteful. Polling, an RSS feed is just 531 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,480 wasteful. So you know, this beautiful pod pink thing is set 532 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,960 up. Now let's see where the AI guys are going with power, see 533 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,450 if they're wasting anything. This is Larry Fink. 534 00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:44,040 Unknown: Because the amount of capital is needed for AI. All 535 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,830 the new technology that we've developed, probably in an 536 00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:51,060 entirety, was the domain of startups. And the whole 537 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:57,030 ecosystem was, was venture capital, the startups. ecosystem 538 00:32:57,030 --> 00:33:03,150 has changed dramatically. AI is a domain of large caps. And I do 539 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:08,460 believe to properly build out AI. We're talking about 540 00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:13,200 trillions of dollars of investing. So data centers today 541 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,370 can be as much as 200 megahertz. They're now talking about data 542 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:20,790 centers are going to be one gigawatt. That's That's what 543 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:25,320 powers a city. There. There was one tech company that I spoke to 544 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,920 the CEO last week who said, Right now all their data centers 545 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,650 is about five gigawatts by 2030. They need 30 gigawatts. 30 546 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:41,100 Mighty, the amount of power that's needed to do use AI is 547 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,660 has a huge impact on society. Where's that power going to come 548 00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:48,150 from? Are we going to take it off the grid? What does it mean 549 00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:51,900 for elevated energy prices? For everybody else? If it's that, I 550 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,900 think it's going to represent some huge societal questions 551 00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:58,170 that we have not addressed the negative side, forget about the 552 00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,440 use of it, but just the generation of it is massive 553 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:08,010 power, wind, but that that is a huge investment opportunity. So 554 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,900 that we know the world is going to be short power is short 555 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:17,640 power. And to power these these data companies, you cannot have 556 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,960 just this intermittent power like wind and solar, you need 557 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,380 dispatchable power, because it can turn off and on these data 558 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:27,570 centers, and so it's accommodated, I just want to end 559 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:31,470 on a positive note, all this presents massive economic 560 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:35,040 opportunity. So I mean, we're talking about technology and all 561 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,610 that stuff, but think about it to build these things. You're 562 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,060 gonna have to go along air conditioning companies. I mean, 563 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:46,260 the basic stuff, I mean, the amount of investments that are 564 00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:49,740 gonna be needed to do all this, alongside investing in the 565 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:52,980 emerging world and healthcare and all the other issues. This 566 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:58,230 is why I'm bullish. I see opportunity. I don't I don't see 567 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,430 problems as my such as massive opportunity. Notice 568 00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:05,280 Adam Curry: he didn't mention climate change in this massive 569 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,740 power. I mean, what what is going on here? 570 00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:10,890 Dave Jones: went off the rails at the end that I didn't know 571 00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:12,300 what like he because 572 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,580 Adam Curry: all of a sudden he realizes that he's talking about 573 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:19,020 investing trillions of dollars into stupid compute while people 574 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:23,220 are homeless. They're drug addicts on the street. I mean, 575 00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,680 there's all kinds of problems we got and all you can think of 576 00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:31,560 trillions power anymore power 30 megabytes. 3030 megawatts of 577 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,190 power. 578 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,570 Dave Jones: Gigawatts gigawatts, gigawatts, and 579 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,910 Adam Curry: this is not going to work. This is this is a pipe 580 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:39,450 dream. 581 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,250 Dave Jones: No, that's this is this. Yes. Stupid compute. 582 00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:48,930 That's exactly what this is that the the idea that this is going 583 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:52,110 to, so Well, here's here's what Microsoft I don't know if you 584 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:59,580 saw this. Such an Adela is memo to Microsoft. No. Such an Adela. 585 00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:02,280 is Microsoft memo on putting security first. 586 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,020 Adam Curry: Microsoft, okay, yeah, in the DLL is, guys. 587 00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:11,220 That's what we need to check. 588 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:13,800 Dave Jones: Microsoft is overhauling its security 589 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,920 processes after a series of high profile attacks in recent years 590 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,370 security is now Microsoft's quote top priority. The company 591 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:24,480 outline today, in response to ongoing questions from the US 592 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,720 cyber safety review boards labeling of Microsoft security 593 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:33,810 culture as inadequate. Oh, boy. So bad reporters? Yes. Such a 594 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,160 put out a memo company wide memo. And he said today I want 595 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,440 to talk about something critical to our company's future, 596 00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:44,940 prioritizing security above all else. And he goes, he goes on. 597 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:45,990 But he says 598 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:49,830 Adam Curry: we'll fix it with AI, please tell me in 599 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:55,770 Dave Jones: No, no, no. He says that. That is the that is the 600 00:36:55,770 --> 00:37:00,810 number one priority at the company. Everything they do is 601 00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:05,610 going to be about security going forward. Going forward, we will 602 00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:09,300 commit the entirety of our organization to our secure 603 00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:14,280 future initiative. And he says security as if you're faced with 604 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,980 the trade off between security and another priority, your 605 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:23,760 answer is clear. Do security. Okay, this was six months ago, 606 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:28,860 you could have written written this same memo to say GPT. Yeah, 607 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,190 and he would have said the exact same thing about AI. That tells 608 00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:37,920 me that AI is now starting to fade. They're they're they're 609 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,940 moving, they're moving on because it's a money sink, and 610 00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:45,090 figured out how to make any money off of it. If I hope Larry 611 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:49,530 thing and invests billions of dollars into all that stuff to 612 00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:53,640 get to big data centers, trillions, trillions of dollars, 613 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,300 because that is going to be a complete disaster. That when 614 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:02,670 that thing dries up as this, I don't know, the the the AI hype 615 00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:06,810 cycle, to me, what is going to be the end up being the shortest 616 00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:11,670 hype cycle of all of the Silicon Valley stuff. It's gonna come 617 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:14,190 and go faster than any of them by a factor of 618 00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:16,890 Adam Curry: five. And you could kind of see that because once 619 00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:21,090 podcast hosting companies were touting this as great features 620 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,150 to have you kind of knew that was the I mean, we honestly and 621 00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:27,030 I say this with love, but podcast hosting companies, we're 622 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:30,570 at the bottom of the barrel of tech. Now, so when it gets down 623 00:38:30,570 --> 00:38:33,480 to yeah, we've got AI, it's like me on this, like, we've got ham 624 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,440 radios, too, 625 00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:37,890 Dave Jones: is sort of like people used to always say about 626 00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:41,250 Birmingham, by the time we get like a new trendy restaurant 627 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:46,380 thing. It's already it's already three years. Yeah, yeah. And we 628 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:48,780 got the Make your own yogurt shops. It was like, you know, 629 00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:50,730 they were already going in California. And 630 00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:52,440 Adam Curry: I think I said this last week, I just want to 631 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,860 reiterate, I understand the hosting business. And it's it's 632 00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:00,480 not an easy business. And I appreciate I love seeing that 633 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,020 huge list that Spurlock put together of all you know, the 634 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:08,250 percent you know, market share of whatever, OPI three market 635 00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:12,540 share of hosting companies must mean 300 companies before he 636 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:16,980 stopped counting, and that's beautiful to see. And I 637 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:21,150 understand that you want to grow, but you probably also want 638 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:25,020 to have retention and you also want to steal people from other 639 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:27,150 from other companies. I mean, that's just the nature of the 640 00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:33,150 business. But when we're down to you know, like your main feature 641 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:37,260 is you can get you know, a penny for each time someone downloads 642 00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:42,060 your, your podcast, and that's supposed to be a feature. I 643 00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:47,130 mean, talk about and shit ification I mean, because people 644 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,300 you know, people aren't aren't motivated. There's no motivator, 645 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,600 except Hey, someone in Lithuania downloaded my podcast. There's 646 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,400 no motivator with stats. And I'll just say one more time if 647 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,220 you if you Put some kind of value for value streaming in 648 00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:06,360 there. And you educate your customers on how to get their 649 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,110 listeners to use modern podcast apps, which is becoming easier 650 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:16,170 and easier. Especially the onboarding part. It's becoming 651 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:19,050 very easy now with lightning integration. Okay, it's coin 652 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:22,650 base today, we have strike, there's all kinds of easier ways 653 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:25,830 to onboard people into the lightning ecosystem. 654 00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:29,340 Dave Jones: They bow just partnered with a Moon Bay, that 655 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:29,730 will really 656 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,740 Adam Curry: elevate Moon pay. Oh, that makes them look 657 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:32,940 official, then this is good. 658 00:40:34,290 --> 00:40:36,660 Dave Jones: There's there's a lot of good onboarding stuff on 659 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:37,980 everything. 660 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:41,880 Adam Curry: single time I show somebody streaming SATs coming 661 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,710 in. And I can show it on my my Zeus app from a wallet. Of 662 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:50,160 course, you don't see the booster grams, or I show using 663 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,730 heli pad. That's what gets people excited. Like, wow, so 664 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,910 wait, so that someone listening right now, so yeah. And they're 665 00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:59,700 sending me a little a little fraction of value for the for 666 00:40:59,730 --> 00:41:04,200 for, for what I do. That gets people excited, invest in that. 667 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:08,790 Invest in that. And everything else like, Oh, it's just a penny 668 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:12,450 from some ad that no one wants to hear. It's also negative. 669 00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:15,780 Yeah, do something positive. 670 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,970 Dave Jones: But and also the advertising. Look, go back. I 671 00:41:20,970 --> 00:41:26,550 think we talked about it last week. Spotify has monthly active 672 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:31,740 users as a share of revenue, the premium users the meaning the 673 00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:38,340 users that pay their revenue. It was it was like 80% of their 674 00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:41,340 revenue came from the paid users, not the ad supported 675 00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:46,680 users. That's ad supported users was 10x. Lower. So as far as 676 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:51,720 revenue goes, so I mean, like paying for things instead of 677 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:57,420 selling ads on things? Is it me? Look at that. The only things 678 00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:03,450 the only thing keeping cable television companies afloat? 679 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:08,610 Right now is the carriage fees is paying to it. Yes. Ray had to 680 00:42:08,610 --> 00:42:12,330 survive just on advertising out it was lost, they would be out 681 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:18,330 of business. Right? The the the people households paying hard, 682 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:23,700 hard cash for a cable subscription is what is keeping 683 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:27,000 them in business. The advertising is just is just 684 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:28,500 gravy. You know, it's just 685 00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:32,610 Adam Curry: and I just want to come back to podcasting and the 686 00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:36,780 hosting companies. Because it's so it's just so destructive what 687 00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:40,560 I see taking place, because everyone's talking about 688 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,100 YouTube. And it's not about video. It's about YouTube. Okay, 689 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,980 let's just let's just call it what it is. You want to do 690 00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:51,360 video, most video but most podcast apps do video, Apple 691 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,430 podcast does video. But no one does video because very few 692 00:42:56,460 --> 00:43:01,980 companies offer it. And it's not as easy as uploading to YouTube. 693 00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:06,600 But everybody who's gone on board and make it easy for you, 694 00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:12,870 for your customers to upload to YouTube. Don't come crying. When 695 00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:17,310 your people are gone when Google has sucked them up. This is what 696 00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:21,690 they do. This is what they do they suck up RSS and then 697 00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:24,600 destroy it as what they do. 698 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:32,280 Dave Jones: Now the I've got a good tip finalized formalize the 699 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:37,650 publisher tag in namespace today. Yeah. So that's a lot. 700 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:46,980 That's that's live. That's up. Go good. And I think I think 701 00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:49,530 that's something that hosting companies can take advantage of, 702 00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:57,390 I think the podcasting 2.0 podcast and 2.0 is about one of 703 00:43:57,390 --> 00:44:01,290 the things that we try to do is provide new features for hosting 704 00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:06,480 companies to use. We are the we are where we are the at the 705 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,740 index is the apps best friend, podcasting. 2.0 is the is the 706 00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:14,940 hosting company's best friend. Because you can it's a way to 707 00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:20,790 bring new features to podcasting for your customers. So that you 708 00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:25,320 can be so that you can exceed what is possible on closed 709 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,130 systems. I 710 00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:28,860 Adam Curry: think that's a great description. I really love that, 711 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,160 unfortunately, that we're just gonna have to wait until 712 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,010 everyone has gotten the YouTube thing out of their system. 713 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,600 Because yes, and you know, YouTube buys articles in the New 714 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,770 York Times with YouTube booming podcast creators get camera 715 00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:49,620 ready. Yeah, you know, it's like, once you get over that, 716 00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:53,580 once you get over that then we'll still be here. Now we saw 717 00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,810 podcasting stagnate for a decade because everyone's like Boo, boo 718 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,600 Apple, Boo Oh, The Youth 719 00:45:03,149 --> 00:45:05,759 Dave Jones: Club and clubhouse was the hottest thing since 720 00:45:05,759 --> 00:45:08,309 sliced house. About a year another 721 00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:10,830 Unknown: perfect example. All clubhouse. Oh, yeah, this is the 722 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:11,790 future. Bye, guys. 723 00:45:13,019 --> 00:45:15,029 Dave Jones: Yeah, and then when nobody and then when everybody 724 00:45:15,659 --> 00:45:18,929 bails out and goes out the back door, everything goes back to 725 00:45:18,929 --> 00:45:21,959 the way it was. Yeah. And the same thing is gonna happen with 726 00:45:21,959 --> 00:45:25,739 YouTube if, if as long as the hosting companies resist the 727 00:45:25,739 --> 00:45:26,789 urge to play ball, 728 00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:28,770 Adam Curry: no, but they're playing ball Dave they're all 729 00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:33,030 playing ball. They're all playing ball. And one way or the 730 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:37,650 other one way or the other. Even Todd is playing ball with you to 731 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,390 tots 732 00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:44,250 Dave Jones: said they could you know that he will never play at 733 00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:44,670 all he's 734 00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:47,280 Adam Curry: playing ball. You can now buy an account on 735 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,000 blueberry for your YouTube channel. And then 736 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,870 Dave Jones: the videos out Yeah. And it's played people out. 737 00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:56,400 Adam Curry: playing ball. 738 00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:59,820 Dave Jones: He's doing Oh, he's no, he's trying to pull people 739 00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:00,240 out 740 00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:03,210 Adam Curry: even though it was my idea. He's also doing the the 741 00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:06,630 alternate enclosure for the YouTube embed people playing 742 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:14,670 ball. But it's more of the the overall idea. And it's also I'm 743 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:18,330 not, I'm not ashamed to say it. But if you don't have an RSS 744 00:46:18,330 --> 00:46:21,030 feed is not a podcast, and people can jump up and down and 745 00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:24,060 say curry no one cares what you say. And you're probably right. 746 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:32,760 But YouTube is not a podcast. And you'll find out. If a F Oh. 747 00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:39,570 Dave Jones: Faith O, F A F O what is what is F? A F O 748 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:45,090 Adam Curry: F around and find out? Oh, f a f? Oh, yes. Yeah. 749 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,290 You'll find out? You'll find out? It's 750 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,830 Dave Jones: not? So 751 00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:56,730 Unknown: first viral up? 752 00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:02,280 Adam Curry: Spiraling? Yeah, I guess I am. It's like, what are 753 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,130 we doing? Stop, you know, everyone's just running around 754 00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:10,530 trying to get some some money somewhere. Focus people focus. 755 00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:15,210 Dave Jones: I think this comes from the I think this comes from 756 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:22,680 the having lived through the people who are who were in town, 757 00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:25,440 I think the people who are in blogs, I don't think this 758 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,440 necessarily affected the podcast world very much at the time. But 759 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,830 the people who were in like us who were part of when Google 760 00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:46,260 Reader died, who were building RSS based software. Before, you 761 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,500 know they were mostly in the blogosphere not in podcasting 762 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,820 was kind of its own form of RSS at the time. And still is but 763 00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:58,200 people like us that lives through the Google Reader death, 764 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:04,440 I think, have a different perspective on and I don't mean, 765 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,870 just you had a Google Reader account. And you were there. I 766 00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:15,000 mean, people who saw the slow attrition of any other competing 767 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,890 product until Google Reader became the dominant thing. And 768 00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:24,330 then they wrote pulled it like that, that took a number of 769 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:28,710 years to come to fruition. Google got everybody into their 770 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:33,240 ecosystem. They pulled everybody in. And then they just rug 771 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,170 pulled everybody about killing and in thought it would be the 772 00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:42,390 deathblow to RSS. It turns out it wasn't. But it was close. 773 00:48:43,350 --> 00:48:44,610 Let's not be let's well be 774 00:48:44,610 --> 00:48:47,220 Adam Curry: and mine ourselves. The rug poll came with a 775 00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:51,000 replacement, which was I think Google Plus, was that what it 776 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,890 was? Or was it Google Wave or any number of products, circles 777 00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:57,240 Dave Jones: and all that friend circles? 778 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160 Adam Curry: So it's, I just 779 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,010 Dave Jones: think we have a different perspective than maybe 780 00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:09,210 some people in the podcasting world, because that never really 781 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:13,200 hurt them that bad. Because podcasting is its own had its 782 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,190 own route. They weren't they weren't really affected by 783 00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:22,200 Google Reader. But if you lived through that, you saw how 784 00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:26,700 tumultuous it was and how it almost killed the whole, the 785 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:31,170 whole use of the protocol. And it makes you not trust Google in 786 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:34,620 any way. Well, when they start to get it when they start to get 787 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:38,070 a dominant position over and open over something that used to 788 00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:41,100 be open. You have to get very nervous. 789 00:49:42,089 --> 00:49:44,819 Adam Curry: So along with that comes, I'm glad you brought up 790 00:49:44,819 --> 00:49:48,449 blogging, because we're seeing the same thing now with blogging 791 00:49:48,449 --> 00:49:52,079 companies, as we did with blogging companies. You know, 792 00:49:52,109 --> 00:49:56,429 you can get ads, you can get banners, you'll make money. You 793 00:49:56,429 --> 00:50:01,859 can do subscriptions. You know that all went away. Feedburner? 794 00:50:02,339 --> 00:50:04,019 Well, there's that there's that. 795 00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:07,800 Dave Jones: But we chose a way of putting ads into dynamic ad 796 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,870 insertion, right? Yeah. But my 797 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:14,400 Adam Curry: point is, it's not like a magical thing, you start 798 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,080 a podcast, you you do something, and then you get advertising. If 799 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,730 you know, there's a lot of crap. Not everyone deserves to make 800 00:50:23,730 --> 00:50:28,020 money. Not everyone should be making money. Some stuff should 801 00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:34,590 just be crap. It's okay. Yeah, crap is good, too. But this 802 00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:37,980 whole, like all these promises, now it's going to be this and 803 00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:42,540 that and grow your show. Just do your podcast, have fun. 804 00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:47,910 Dave Jones: So I guess what I'm trying to say is the public the 805 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:50,790 publisher feeds thing, I think, is an example of one thing that 806 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:56,670 that hosting companies can adopt. Now, if you have a note, 807 00:50:57,570 --> 00:51:04,560 I know quite a few hosting companies have have customers 808 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,310 that publish a bunch of different feeds, you know, they 809 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:12,240 have a business customer that may have four or five, six or 810 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:18,390 more feeds is publishing a pode creating a offering them a 811 00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:23,430 publisher feed, that wraps all their their normal feeds into 812 00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:28,920 into one. And makes that easy. That would be a great thing to 813 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,540 offer. Be a great, it'd be great thing to offer, because that 814 00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:37,080 that does help us discoverability because we you 815 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,620 know, once just like with blog roll in, I mean, pod roll and 816 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:44,400 these other tags, the more of the discoverability stuff we can 817 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:51,480 we can help enable. Then the platform's the the listening 818 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,410 platforms can begin to crawl that data and actually put 819 00:51:55,410 --> 00:51:59,310 together things that look better, 820 00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:02,520 Adam Curry: yeah, better display, etc. And I'm excited 821 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680 about Yeah, yeah, I'm very excited about that. 822 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,990 Dave Jones: Because that's one thing, that that's one thing 823 00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:13,380 that the more closed systems have, that we don't is the 824 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:19,620 ability to sort of do better aggregation. On, you know, on 825 00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:24,210 the receiving side. Because we, you know, think about something 826 00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:28,290 like, you know, Apple, Apple podcasts, their directory, they 827 00:52:28,290 --> 00:52:32,010 have a lot of visibility that we don't have, they know who's 828 00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:35,550 somebody gets on to Apple podcasts Connect. This is what 829 00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,090 we talked about one time before a while back about Google, some 830 00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:44,250 of the power of how Google became such a such a good search 831 00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:49,290 engine, had nothing to do with their crawling ability, and had 832 00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:54,180 a lot to do with how they convinced millions of sets of 833 00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:58,380 web of webmasters to go and enter in all the data about 834 00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:02,400 their website to the Google Webmaster Tools. So once they 835 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,680 had all that data plugged in by a real person, on the back end, 836 00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:11,040 that gave Google first party access to what the structure of 837 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,910 their site was supposed to be, that had a huge impact on the 838 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:21,750 quality of the search. So in the same way, Apple and Spotify get 839 00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:25,650 benefits like that, when they have access to the first party 840 00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:30,120 data of people going into Apple podcasts connect or Spotify, 841 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:34,380 dashboard, dashboard, megaphone dashboard, these things that 842 00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:38,280 allow them to see connectivity between different bits of data 843 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,940 that we don't see. Because all we're doing is collecting the 844 00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:45,270 RSS feed, whenever you have something, if you have a 845 00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:49,890 publisher feed, where you can collect, where you can see, oh, 846 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:56,460 these four shows are all belong to the same parent entity, then 847 00:53:56,460 --> 00:54:00,570 you can do really cool stuff with that. And not just for not 848 00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:06,090 just for the immediate use case that we have is for musicians to 849 00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:09,090 pull their different feeds their different albums into one fee 850 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:15,540 into one sort of hosts. One artist feed. That's obviously 851 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:18,540 the first one, but then you have, but it goes beyond that. I 852 00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:25,080 mean, if if one of your think about who was here, the guy, our 853 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:30,180 buddies over there, Focus on the Family. Yes. Rob, you know, they 854 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,080 Yeah, Rob. And, you know, they have a lot of they have a lot of 855 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,510 shows. And so they could easily put publish a a publisher feed. 856 00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:46,260 And now anybody who's crawling that data can have a really cool 857 00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:51,420 user experience. To say, Oh, you just listen, you just subscribe 858 00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:55,200 to this show. Here's four other shows by Focus on the Family 859 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,280 that you may be interested in. 860 00:54:56,430 --> 00:54:59,220 Adam Curry: I hope the apps will implement it. I don't think 861 00:54:59,220 --> 00:55:02,880 anyone's except for Sam Sethi, whatever I say on the show, Sam, 862 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,490 we know you do. You're doing it. Burn. blog roll, pod roll. No. 863 00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:14,160 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, no, I don't I don't know if the I'm 864 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,710 not sure what's being implemented because we don't a 865 00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:23,730 lot of the open a lot of the open. Sea open. I'm not sure 866 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,080 that's the right term. Like, people like Pocket Casts have, 867 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:34,620 they have a PR mechanism in place. I mean, they put out 868 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:38,970 press releases that kind of thing. People like, like Mitch 869 00:55:38,970 --> 00:55:42,810 and Franco and Jason ever podcasts, they don't really 870 00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:45,930 have, they don't do a lot of that kind of thing. I mean, they 871 00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:48,780 will do it. They'll do it from time to time, but a lot of times 872 00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:52,410 we don't know what they've done and what they haven't. So I'm 873 00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:55,380 not sure what's been done on some of those things. I mean, 874 00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:57,810 the publisher fee just got formulas today. So yeah, you 875 00:55:57,810 --> 00:56:01,410 know, and I know I know, Oscar is way not been waiting on that 876 00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:05,190 because he wants to. He wants to get those artists. Yeah, for 877 00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:07,710 Adam Curry: the music. Yeah. Oh, later. Yeah, sure. For sure. 878 00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:08,130 Good. 879 00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:11,610 Dave Jones: Yes. I mean, we're, we're getting I mean, I think 880 00:56:11,610 --> 00:56:15,660 we're, you know, now now No, and that failure on the, on the 881 00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:17,250 hosting side. I mean, it's, it's, 882 00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:22,020 Adam Curry: I mean, I see energy going into things and stuff like 883 00:56:22,050 --> 00:56:25,980 AI and all that. I'm like, let's put it into you know, doing 884 00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:30,570 things that work that have that have a future and it's not some 885 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,050 you know, add on strap strap on stuff. It's just strap on. 886 00:56:35,340 --> 00:56:37,860 Dave Jones: I think we could I think we can I think the best 887 00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:41,850 thing we can do is just complain. complain. 888 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,920 Unknown: complain? Oh, hell Kraus. Yes. Yeah. 889 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:48,540 Dave Jones: Right. Yeah. 890 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:55,260 Adam Curry: I don't want to be too negative. 891 00:56:56,070 --> 00:57:01,530 Dave Jones: Okay. Moving beyond our, you know, THEC, Brawl 892 00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:05,280 raging at everything going on and podcast and 893 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,220 Adam Curry: other shows who actually, by the way, I love 894 00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:13,140 these shows. I cannot not listen to these shows. Yeah, but I'm, 895 00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:16,920 like, I'm tired of boosting back my feedback. It's like, I gotta 896 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,390 show we complain about it here. 897 00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:22,080 Dave Jones: So do you want to talk about the iTunes namespace 898 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:22,470 real quick? 899 00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:25,020 Adam Curry: I only if you'd let me play the jingle. 900 00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:30,420 Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. 901 00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:34,350 Adam Curry: Yeah, there's two things we got to talk about. 902 00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:37,830 Dave Jones: Okay. Well, I mean, I've got I may have one other. 903 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:41,160 Adam Curry: Well, then go ahead. No, 904 00:57:41,310 --> 00:57:43,770 Dave Jones: I want to hear your list. Your two port list? 905 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,800 Adam Curry: Well, the one is, okay. First, I guess a 906 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,760 misconception that popped up. I don't think either of us have 907 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,630 ever said that the podcast namespace should be replacing 908 00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:58,050 the iTunes namespace I don't think that was ever said. So 909 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,900 where were they came from? That's that's a misconception. I 910 00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:04,830 think we've ever said that. The concept of a drop in 911 00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:10,200 replacement. For I think specifically the block tag we 912 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,960 may have discussed. Which is which immediately becomes my the 913 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,150 second and final item on my list. As Mitch sent us a note a 914 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:25,710 lot of people are trying to access a feed a podcast through 915 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:29,730 pod verse, which has a blocked and iTunes it actually has 916 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,410 iTunes and then a Google block tag I looked at the feed was 917 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:41,040 just I don't think I've ever seen that from megaphone. And so 918 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,490 we're not importing that. And his question is Kent since since 919 00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:48,330 Apple ignores it, is it time for us to just ignore it? And I know 920 00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:53,280 it's come up in the past? I think it's been it's, it's up to 921 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,340 you really, it's not for me to decide this somehow. 922 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,590 Dave Jones: Let's take the second one first. The block the 923 00:59:01,590 --> 00:59:08,580 block tag. I can't ignore it completely. Because there are 924 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:15,990 some of our hosting friends that really depend on us honoring 925 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:24,360 that. The iTunes and water. Yeah. Yeah. And so I can talk to 926 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,390 them over time and switch across 927 00:59:27,390 --> 00:59:32,430 Adam Curry: question. They want us to honor it because they're 928 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:35,640 allowing people to create an iTunes block tag. 929 00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:41,850 Dave Jones: Yes, so they use an a one in particular uses it for 930 00:59:42,330 --> 00:59:46,290 private feeds. So they have a private feed. It's for like a 931 00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:49,620 member ship type thing. They'll put an iTunes blog tag in the 932 00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:54,990 feed. Now this this is we've we've talked about the problems 933 00:59:54,990 --> 01:00:00,000 with it in blog tag in you know, ad nauseam in the past it's it 934 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,710 The it's just it's just, it's the worst. It's just the worst. 935 01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:07,770 Adam Curry: Well, it seems like using the iTunes block tag to 936 01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:11,400 signal that you have a private feed is not a great way to do 937 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:11,730 it. 938 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,810 Dave Jones: No, it's not because but it's the only thing that had 939 01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:19,530 been until we created the podcast blog tag, there's 940 01:00:19,590 --> 01:00:23,340 Adam Curry: right well, maybe, maybe maybe seven, said hosting 941 01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:27,450 company can change something so we can move forward sounds seems 942 01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:29,280 like someone's holding us back in this. 943 01:00:29,790 --> 01:00:35,100 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think going forward, we need to encourage 944 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:40,680 people to use a better tag, which the podcast block tag is 945 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,590 better in every way. Because you can just get granular and you 946 01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:48,900 can be specific and all that kind of thing. Because the one 947 01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:51,360 of the biggest problems with iTunes block tag is that is that 948 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,010 people don't know, everybody handles it differently. And then 949 01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:58,590 everybody that puts it in there thinks it's going to be handled 950 01:00:58,590 --> 01:01:03,000 in a certain way. And that's not the case. So there's a huge 951 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,210 disconnect. But what but between what people think they're doing 952 01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:08,910 when they put the blockchains block tag in, and what actually 953 01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:15,030 happens when the atom block that is by tag gets in. So but for 954 01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:19,440 now. So there's this specific feed Gary brick brecha. 955 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,010 Adam Curry: That's a health a health guy. So it's a pretty big 956 01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:23,730 podcast. 957 01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:26,520 Dave Jones: And so he's got iTunes blog tag in there. So we 958 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:32,160 honor that, and we block it. And it's, and yet it shows up in 959 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,230 like tons of other apps, even on Apple even in their app. And 960 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,020 that just doesn't seem right. So what I'm going to do, as an 961 01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:43,710 interim fix for this is I'm going to I'm going to flag the 962 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:50,100 database differently so that we can mark manually. In cases like 963 01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:56,400 this, we can mark that this. This particular podcast combined 964 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,480 needs to ignore it. Yes. Okay. Because I hate that because it's 965 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,390 more manual work for everybody that I know, you know, but 966 01:02:03,390 --> 01:02:06,960 Adam Curry: in this case, we're hurting. Well, specifically, 967 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,460 we're hurting pod verse. Yeah, because he says, MC says it's a 968 01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:15,240 lot of their users are saying, Hey, how come I can't get this? 969 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,840 And that's a reason someone would not use that app. Yeah, I 970 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,500 guess and 971 01:02:21,450 --> 01:02:26,940 Dave Jones: so and so that I can give Mitch admin access on the 972 01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:28,350 podcast in this dashboard. 973 01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:30,660 Adam Curry: Very bad idea. 974 01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,420 Dave Jones: I retract it, I take it back. You're not getting that 975 01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:39,900 Miss. So that's an easy fix, I think should be able to get that 976 01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:45,360 done this week. Replacing the iTunes namespace. I don't 977 01:02:45,450 --> 01:02:50,520 exactly know this details of what we said in the past. But I 978 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,420 can tell you what my thought what my mind what my mental 979 01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:57,720 ideas have been for that. Or my mental framework for that has 980 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,430 been since the beginning. Replacing the items namespace is 981 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:03,660 is not a goal. 982 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,680 Adam Curry: Oh, which drinkin show beer? No. Yeah, Waterloo, 983 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:11,250 peach. 984 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,920 Dave Jones: Oh, that's pretty good. Actually. Replacing that 985 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:22,560 to his namespace is not a goal. Maybe you could call it like a 986 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:30,720 design ambition. Or just go goal makes it sounds like it makes it 987 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,290 sound like it's one of the core purposes of of the namespaces 988 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:44,220 existence or the work and that's that's not really the case. It's 989 01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:48,720 not the goal to replace the iTunes namespace. It's an 990 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:56,100 ambition that that we're designing for. We like we need 991 01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:01,230 to make it an easy transition if that ever becomes a thing that 992 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,970 trend that happens. Yeah, here Nathan a happy coincidence. Yes. 993 01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:06,660 Well, 994 01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:10,680 Adam Curry: that's interesting. Before you continue, okay, so 995 01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:14,160 what you're saying is we would want we want to have 996 01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:19,980 replacements in case for some reason the iTunes namespace 997 01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:23,400 wasn't supported or I'm not sure what you think what happened. 998 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,480 Dave Jones: But podcasting 2.0 is more than just the namespace. 999 01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:41,580 The podcasts podcasting. 2.0 is is a community of people trying 1000 01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:50,880 to make sure that podcasting technology is in the hands is is 1001 01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:55,740 open and in the hands of people and not companies. I 1002 01:04:55,740 --> 01:04:57,180 Adam Curry: love that and YouTube 1003 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:11,160 Dave Jones: So in that vein, we ultimately don't want namespaces 1004 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,120 that are critical to the way podcasting works. To be 1005 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:21,030 controlled by private companies. We we don't, that's not what we 1006 01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:25,800 want, we want it to be when you want something that's critical 1007 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,730 to it. If there's something at this critical to podcasting, 1008 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:37,560 infrastructure or technology, we as podcasting 2.0. Want one 1009 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,370 Shane changes to that thing to be done by communities of 1010 01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:46,800 people, not private companies, meeting in private boardrooms. 1011 01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:54,720 So, I like in that regard, the iTunes namespace is a thing that 1012 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,890 we want, that is the antithesis of that. Apple controls the 1013 01:05:58,890 --> 01:06:02,190 iTunes namespace, we're not in that we don't we're not at the 1014 01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:06,540 table. The best we can do, we're not allowed to participate. The 1015 01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:13,530 best we can do is beg them and ask them to do stuff. What, what 1016 01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:17,550 if we want better versions of the iTunes tags, case in point 1017 01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:19,170 perfect example block and PR 1018 01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:22,110 Adam Curry: block Yes, block blogs keyword block. 1019 01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:28,020 Dave Jones: NPR wanted to add an attribute to the season seasons, 1020 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:34,800 yeah. To allow you to put a name to name a season, we could have 1021 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,640 begged Apple to do it for 10 years. And just hoped that one 1022 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,510 day they listened and did it. Yeah. Or we could just duplicate 1023 01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:45,150 that tag, make sure it's backwards compatible with the 1024 01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:49,380 iTunes version, and then modify it ourselves while maintaining 1025 01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:54,570 the backwards compatibility, which is what we did. And if we 1026 01:06:54,570 --> 01:07:00,570 do that enough, if we if we take that approach. And the approach 1027 01:07:00,570 --> 01:07:05,460 is this, if somebody wants a better version of an iTunes tag, 1028 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:16,080 then we duplicate the tag, add the add the new feature to it 1029 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,480 that they want, while maintaining backwards 1030 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,610 compatibility. And maybe 10 years from now, or some time in 1031 01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:27,720 the future. Again, not a goal. This is not a it's not a goal to 1032 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,490 do this, necessarily. But at some point in the future, there 1033 01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:38,010 may come a time when the podcast namespace, essentially has all 1034 01:07:38,010 --> 01:07:42,810 of the same tags as the iTunes namespace with extra features, 1035 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,820 so that they're better. And then at that point, the podcast 1036 01:07:47,820 --> 01:07:52,320 namespace is, is already so widely disseminated amongst 1037 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,350 hundreds of 1000s of feeds and apps and apps and not YouTube, 1038 01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:05,250 that at that point, it really does become feasible, that you 1039 01:08:05,250 --> 01:08:08,580 can make that you can just switch, it becomes a drop in 1040 01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:09,090 replacement. 1041 01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:12,510 Adam Curry: Okay. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation, 1042 01:08:12,510 --> 01:08:16,170 because although I have not seen it, it is my understanding that 1043 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:19,980 from the partners weekly review that James Cridland was out 1044 01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:23,220 there fighting with people in the GitHub saying no, this tag 1045 01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:26,490 already exists. It's iTunes tag, and you don't need to recreate 1046 01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:30,180 this. So that's that. So there's a disconnect there. 1047 01:08:31,410 --> 01:08:36,240 Dave Jones: I, I would agree with him in this sense. If 1048 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,980 there's nothing we can offer, as an improvement on that tag, I 1049 01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:45,090 see no reason to duplicate it. Copy that. Yeah. But if we can 1050 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:50,190 off if if there's a clear thing, that will be an improvement to 1051 01:08:50,190 --> 01:08:53,400 that tag, I don't mind duplicating it, because the only 1052 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,640 here's the only you got two options. Okay, it's like okay, 1053 01:08:56,670 --> 01:09:02,670 we have this tag, block tag. This thing is not sufficient. It 1054 01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:07,080 is not doing a job, the job that is designed for it's a it is a 1055 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:12,870 inadequate piece of piece of namespace technology. We can do 1056 01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:19,290 better. So we have two options. Three options. First option, we 1057 01:09:19,290 --> 01:09:25,440 can beg Apple for a decade, in which the the likelihood of them 1058 01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:32,760 doing anything is zero, maybe 1%. Option number two, we can 1059 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,240 duplicate the tag into the podcast namespace, add the 1060 01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:42,090 feature make it better. And then it becomes as we all hope a 1061 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:45,450 standard right so people stop using the iTunes version and 1062 01:09:45,450 --> 01:09:46,980 switch to our version right so 1063 01:09:46,979 --> 01:09:54,959 Adam Curry: the perfect example of that as category. Right. as 1064 01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:59,969 we as we move to more freeform categories and 1065 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,490 Dave Jones: Don't think no, no, I don't think we're going to I 1066 01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:04,530 don't think we're going to conflict with the category tag. 1067 01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:08,340 I think I think what we're doing is going to be something else 1068 01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:10,800 it's going to be I don't think it's going to be a direct 1069 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,740 conflict because we're, we're more this is what we're doing is 1070 01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:17,220 going to end up being more like the key words. Yeah. Yeah. I 1071 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:18,060 think yeah, I 1072 01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:21,240 Adam Curry: think they'll live together. Okay. Or in harmony in 1073 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:21,960 perfect harmony. 1074 01:10:23,340 --> 01:10:29,760 Dave Jones: Evany. So, I think, but then the third option is the 1075 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:35,100 option that we don't want to do. And I don't is a hostile 1076 01:10:35,100 --> 01:10:36,780 takeover that seems namespace. 1077 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,670 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, we don't want that. That's no fun. No, we 1078 01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:44,670 Dave Jones: don't, we don't want to start saying, you know, 1079 01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:48,180 adding things to, to the iTunes namespace. So you know, without 1080 01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:49,290 their permission, but I'll tell 1081 01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:52,980 Adam Curry: you, I have a sneaky suspicion that one day in the 1082 01:10:52,980 --> 01:10:57,270 future, it may be within this 10 day, 10 year timeframe. I could 1083 01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:01,710 easily see the European Union forcing Apple to divest of 1084 01:11:01,710 --> 01:11:04,800 podcasts and and have that something that is not pre 1085 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:12,300 installed anymore. Yeah. And, and you know, and there'll be 1086 01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:16,740 options for people to choose. And that may negate their power 1087 01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:18,060 over many things. 1088 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:25,920 Dave Jones: I'll go one step further. I would not be 1089 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,420 surprised if at some point in this 10 year period, some people 1090 01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:34,680 may think I'm crazy, but I don't think I am. If Ted Hoffman calls 1091 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,640 up and says, Hey, we want to merge the iTunes namespace with 1092 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:45,300 the podcast namespace. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Merge merge 1093 01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:47,340 the two things together. What 1094 01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:49,500 Adam Curry: would the benefit be? Why? Why would they want to 1095 01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:54,870 do that? And I mean, by that I 10 horsemen really needs to 1096 01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:57,840 think about retiring and he's going to be 100 by the time that 1097 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:58,440 happens, 1098 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,200 Dave Jones: he's already let's have you seen his beard? 1099 01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:09,210 Adam Curry: Interest. Interesting. Interesting. vaad. 1100 01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:15,990 Dave Jones: Yes. I mean, I can see it in book because there's I 1101 01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:18,630 can't remember that podcasting doesn't make apple any money. 1102 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,630 You know, it's a it's really the last labor of love within the 1103 01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:32,700 company. Is the last like, throwback to an old apple. that 1104 01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:40,020 existed, you know, for, for ideals bigger than just money 1105 01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:40,200 for 1106 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,680 Adam Curry: the people. For the people. For the crazy. What for 1107 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,550 the crazy ones? 1108 01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:47,940 Dave Jones: The Crazy Ones? Yeah, it's this. This is an old, 1109 01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:52,650 this is an old, this is a vestigial organ that's attached. 1110 01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:53,520 Just 1111 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,210 Adam Curry: to kind of divest a little bit from it and feel like 1112 01:12:57,210 --> 01:13:00,090 it's been put in a good place. Hey, those two Yahoo's that 1113 01:13:00,090 --> 01:13:02,700 sounds like a good idea. Let them maintain it all. 1114 01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:06,240 Dave Jones: Yeah, and that means that means we we have to have 1115 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,580 staying power is gonna, you know, we got to stick around 1116 01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:13,680 long enough for for people to see that. That podcasting. 2.0 1117 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:18,030 is the right place to house something like this is a trusted 1118 01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:21,990 in is a trusted community where this is going to be taken, taken 1119 01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:25,590 forward? Because I don't know that they're necessarily in I 1120 01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:29,340 mean, they don't get anything out of the items namespace been, 1121 01:13:29,730 --> 01:13:35,220 they just, they just don't. So I could see them in the future. I 1122 01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:36,960 mean, they've already been, they've already they already 1123 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,080 linked to the podcast namespace from there and from the iTunes 1124 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,250 namespace documentation. True. To me that that looks like the 1125 01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:48,810 first step towards 10 years from now, Pappy van husband calls up 1126 01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:53,970 and says, you know, hey, let's have a chat. So I'm just saying 1127 01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:59,580 that it is hoped, maybe that I feels like it is not still not 1128 01:13:59,580 --> 01:14:04,950 clear. But I think it it has to not. It's not the goal, 1129 01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:11,130 necessarily. But it has to be on the radar. Because it's who it's 1130 01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:12,720 what our it's our what 1131 01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,640 Adam Curry: our overall mission is. Yeah, our 1132 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,100 Dave Jones: mission is not letting podcasting be owned by 1133 01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:19,920 huge corporations. So it has to be part of it 1134 01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:25,860 Adam Curry: right now. A little gear switch. Yes, sir. Eric 1135 01:14:25,860 --> 01:14:30,630 peopIe. I saw some pull requests going back and forth. It looks 1136 01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:33,450 like there's a new version of helipad coming which will allow 1137 01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:38,760 me to set up pew pew custom pew pew sounds Yeah. Did you Did you 1138 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,260 see that? I did. 1139 01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:43,050 Dave Jones: Um, he is he's on fire with the Health Analytics 1140 01:14:43,050 --> 01:14:43,350 site. 1141 01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:46,920 Adam Curry: So so so that will mean that we can have a secret 1142 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,940 boost number. And if you boost with the right number, bells and 1143 01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:54,690 whistles go off and then you get a prize? No, that's gonna be 1144 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:58,770 nice stuff like that. I'm excited about that. I'm very 1145 01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:59,340 excited. 1146 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,080 Dave Jones: Do we need to, 1147 01:15:01,950 --> 01:15:04,800 Adam Curry: which is kind of the start of something you said like 1148 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,160 ratifying all this great stuff. And there's still stuff that 1149 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,720 happens in IRC that, you know, we really have no idea how to 1150 01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:17,190 access and it just shows up and people turn stuff on booths, 1151 01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:21,720 bots, and all that stuff. I mean, I feel somehow like Halle 1152 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,350 pad is a great place to put a lot of that functionality, they 1153 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:29,190 can go back out. So I'd love to be able to have heli pads say, 1154 01:15:29,190 --> 01:15:35,040 Okay, you connect your IRC here. And what I mean 1155 01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:39,750 Dave Jones: yeah, that'll be that'll be cool. Because that 1156 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:41,850 you can basically run your own booth spot. 1157 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,500 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1158 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,280 Dave Jones: I think he said you could sideload he said he's got 1159 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,010 a not fully tested version that you can sideload Yeah, 1160 01:15:50,010 --> 01:15:52,290 Adam Curry: but whenever I sideload then then you know, 1161 01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:55,890 then my start nine doesn't know that. You know, there's a new 1162 01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:59,760 version and then I have to go back and have to reload every 1163 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,090 single boost. From the moment my node went up. That's kind of a 1164 01:16:03,090 --> 01:16:08,250 downer. Like loading the blockchain. Oh, by the way, 1165 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:14,460 dude, I got want to mention that I got one of those was called 1166 01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,200 the Founders Edition of the what's that thing called? It's a 1167 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:26,640 bid to a future bid. Future bid. Have you heard these guys? No 1168 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:33,330 future future bid.io. So it's a it's a full node. There's a 1169 01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:37,770 future but yeah, future BIT dot out. That's pretty cool. To form 1170 01:16:37,770 --> 01:16:43,020 node, which you can also use as a desktop, interestingly enough, 1171 01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:46,800 and because it has a boon to on it. 1172 01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:47,820 Dave Jones: Did you get the 1173 01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:53,370 Adam Curry: Apollo two? Yes. Founders Edition. Cool. Yeah. 1174 01:16:53,460 --> 01:17:02,190 And it does like seven seven Tera hashes Giga second flop. 1175 01:17:02,220 --> 01:17:09,180 Whatever. GSPs Yes. At 190 watts. 1176 01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:12,780 Dave Jones: That's been published to is the culmination 1177 01:17:12,780 --> 01:17:14,010 of news pretty 1178 01:17:14,010 --> 01:17:16,200 Adam Curry: good. And 1179 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,740 Dave Jones: as a miner Yeah, it's a mining rig. 1180 01:17:19,770 --> 01:17:23,340 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's a mining Yes. You can hook it up to I'm 1181 01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:25,590 just running it solo I'm gonna get me a block 1182 01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:30,510 Unknown: he has so amount of block Oh, yeah, 1183 01:17:30,570 --> 01:17:32,460 Adam Curry: I'm that guy. I'm going to be that guy who's gonna 1184 01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:37,890 mind his own block? For sure. Yeah, it's made in America is 1185 01:17:38,130 --> 01:17:41,100 here up to 10 Tera hash hash power 1186 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:44,520 Dave Jones: Oh, you got the fat Oh, you founders of this. So 1187 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,180 what's the founders the Founders Edition shipped first? Yeah, 1188 01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:51,630 limited run. Oh, it's oranges in Bitcoin? Yeah, 1189 01:17:51,630 --> 01:17:54,210 Adam Curry: it was like burn dark orange. Yeah, no, it's 1190 01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:58,230 beautiful. It's a minor that you don't put in the garage. It's 1191 01:17:58,230 --> 01:17:59,190 really interesting. 1192 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:01,380 Dave Jones: What is the difference between a standard 1193 01:18:01,380 --> 01:18:05,970 and a full node? Minor plus full and minor only version of a 1194 01:18:05,970 --> 01:18:06,960 price simply plug in your? 1195 01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:09,180 Adam Curry: Yeah, if you want to solo I think you got to have a 1196 01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:09,930 full node. 1197 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,210 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm on two bucks that's that's a lot 1198 01:18:15,210 --> 01:18:16,350 cheaper than an ant miner 1199 01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:20,130 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. I'm on a I'm on a so um I'm on a pool 1200 01:18:20,130 --> 01:18:22,920 right now because it comes of course without the blockchain so 1201 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:24,600 you gotta download the blockchain that always takes a 1202 01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,770 few days. And but once that's done full on SoLoMo baby 1203 01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:34,170 Dave Jones: so LaMonte your own pre installed stratum solo pool 1204 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,970 Adam Curry: that's right you want to join my pool? 1205 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,600 Dave Jones: Wait so that's about to ask you so if I got one you 1206 01:18:39,810 --> 01:18:41,310 want to connect to your pool? Yeah, 1207 01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:45,540 Adam Curry: we can we yes we can mind together honey. Oh, think 1208 01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:49,920 of it right. Think of the opportunity think of the 1209 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,270 community we could build 1210 01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:55,200 Dave Jones: think of the think of this the home heating 1211 01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:59,040 capacity. Yeah, right. Deliver a No kidding. That's got an HDMI 1212 01:18:59,070 --> 01:19:00,000 port on the side. I'm 1213 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,720 Adam Curry: telling you it's a full on Ubuntu install and 1214 01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:11,460 instead of a desktop? Well, it kind of looks Yes. And it kind 1215 01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:15,930 of weird that I do that wrong. Someone else I thought was 1216 01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:17,520 future bit Future. 1217 01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:21,660 Dave Jones: Future bit.io/home is where I'm at. Yeah, 1218 01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:25,950 Adam Curry: I post that in the I posted that into the 1219 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,000 Dave Jones: connected monitor to it or configure over Ethernet 1220 01:19:30,030 --> 01:19:32,700 automatically start sinking a full Bitcoin node. It 1221 01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:35,100 Adam Curry: looks a bit like Apple had one of these cubes at 1222 01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:38,340 one point remember the cube Apple had a cube? Yeah, a little 1223 01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:39,120 bit like that. 1224 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,750 Dave Jones: Big is it but I can't see the dimensions. 1225 01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,600 Adam Curry: It's bigger than the Apple cube but it looks nice. 1226 01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:48,060 Let me look oh, that's kind of a handsome unit. 1227 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:54,930 Dave Jones: So that's such a handsome unit. Is there twit is 1228 01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:59,310 is more like, is it like 12 inches by 12 inches or is it 1229 01:19:59,310 --> 01:20:01,020 more small? wasn't six by six 1230 01:20:01,050 --> 01:20:02,460 Adam Curry: I'd say seven by seven 1231 01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:04,770 Dave Jones: oh that's not very big at all 1232 01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:09,090 Adam Curry: Hey, want to play some music? 1233 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:10,590 Dave Jones: I would love to 1234 01:20:10,650 --> 01:20:14,580 Adam Curry: Okay. So I'm kind of on this Friday thing where like 1235 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:17,850 it's Friday how you feel you're ready for a bang Are you ready 1236 01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:21,810 for banger? Lahoma homeless second let me I found this thing 1237 01:20:21,810 --> 01:20:28,980 I want to play this something I found this from an old daily 1238 01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:36,720 source code daily source code thing Hold on a second let me 1239 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:41,970 see I've been looking for this in I think the guy who did this 1240 01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:47,670 died he may still be alive but I love it so much something 1241 01:20:47,670 --> 01:20:51,600 Unknown: remarkable is happening here. Radio is screen free of 1242 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,350 the regulated gatekeepers who manage what you can hear since 1243 01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:59,490 radio was invented it's jumping into the hands of anyone at all 1244 01:20:59,490 --> 01:21:01,320 with something or nothing to say 1245 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:19,260 I guess tread water for five times we'll run 1246 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:40,140 a video right is the standard and you're gonna be all right 1247 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:48,510 enjoy the ride one you're the 1248 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,380 deal I have no issue 1249 01:22:20,910 --> 01:22:32,730 that's why you'll never get is gonna be running again it's the 1250 01:22:32,730 --> 01:22:46,710 standard or the you're gonna be all right. Enjoy the ride one 1251 01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:47,100 year 1252 01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:12,720 What's 1253 01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:23,040 up Kong 1254 01:23:29,610 --> 01:23:30,090 you 1255 01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:48,900 Adam Curry: how about that? Yeah, it wasn't I knew you'd 1256 01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:53,400 like it. Yeah the protagonist death by lions. 1257 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,140 Dave Jones: quality music on don't value for values is 1258 01:23:58,140 --> 01:24:00,900 Adam Curry: dynamite. Yeah, I found great. I found that on. 1259 01:24:02,340 --> 01:24:06,060 sidestream music podcast Cody played it like God is so good. 1260 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,110 Yeah. 1261 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,630 Dave Jones: There's great music out there that you can just turn 1262 01:24:12,660 --> 01:24:16,890 you can turn on any of the music shows? Yeah, unless later really 1263 01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:18,300 It feels like the radio. Yeah, 1264 01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:22,440 Adam Curry: exactly. Lm beats you know if you can listen to 1265 01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:25,350 any of the shows and listen to any all the music. 1266 01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:28,440 Dave Jones: bug fixes, by the way. I'm glad you mentioned LM 1267 01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:29,580 beats. Okay. 1268 01:24:29,610 --> 01:24:34,080 Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Your your API search. Fix bug thing. 1269 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:36,930 Dave Jones: Yes. Search fix bugs. The minister. Yeah, 1270 01:24:36,930 --> 01:24:42,930 thanks. Yeah, I love fixing bugs, especially when it's like, 1271 01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:49,950 like a suspended chord that resolves you know, your to in 1272 01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:58,650 endpoints that were affected by this bug. The, they both used 1273 01:24:58,650 --> 01:25:03,510 the same under relying the function like lower level 1274 01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:08,730 function, so it all came down to a sequel issue. So the bug was 1275 01:25:08,730 --> 01:25:16,650 this. And if you asked for if you add it, so it's the episodes 1276 01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:22,080 by feed ID endpoint. That was that was one of them. And the by 1277 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:32,580 medium tag was the other that were affected by this. If you if 1278 01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:36,750 you so if you would ask for a specific number of episodes, you 1279 01:25:36,750 --> 01:25:40,860 would get back a different amount. That's 1280 01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:43,290 Adam Curry: that's what we call a bug Dave, that is recognized 1281 01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:44,220 as a bug. Yes. 1282 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:49,170 Dave Jones: If you asked for 20 episodes, you may get back 16. 1283 01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:54,780 He asked for 100, you may get back 80. So this is a clear bug. 1284 01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:58,020 Where it became weird, though, was the way the bug was 1285 01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:06,000 expressed in the by medium tag. So the by medium tag you if once 1286 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,440 you got up to like, let's say, if you're LSA, you're asking for 1287 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:19,830 all the all the feeds, that were buy that were had music medium. 1288 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,930 And you say, Okay, I want 2700, you know, like I want I want 1289 01:26:24,930 --> 01:26:29,820 3000 feeds, we that wouldn't work, it would just, it would 1290 01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:35,640 just time out. So, Stephen D is the one that found the magic 1291 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:41,580 number. As you're creeping up, you cannot go above 22,750 as 1292 01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:42,420 the max count 1293 01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:46,350 Adam Curry: on a random number. Yeah, 1294 01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:49,140 Dave Jones: so Well, it turns out, that's the number that 1295 01:26:49,140 --> 01:26:52,440 would, it was a it was a Stack 1296 01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:53,940 Adam Curry: Overflow memory leak. 1297 01:26:55,590 --> 01:27:02,400 Dave Jones: It was a slowly escalating, long running query, 1298 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,930 that once you got beyond about 2007, sometimes you could go you 1299 01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:10,650 could go higher. But once you got beyond that the query was 1300 01:27:10,650 --> 01:27:14,070 taking so long on the database side that it would fail, it 1301 01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:17,400 would timeout, the API would abandoned would abandon the 1302 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:24,930 query. So this ended up being a problem is I don't use an ORM, 1303 01:27:25,230 --> 01:27:28,590 which is like a build your SQL for you do all the SQL 1304 01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:29,640 statements by hand because 1305 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,930 Adam Curry: you're because you're a man. 1306 01:27:32,670 --> 01:27:40,860 Dave Jones: In assembly, that's right. Is C so what I had, what 1307 01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:46,410 I didn't realize was it mice, so MySQL does what's called early 1308 01:27:46,410 --> 01:27:50,490 row lookups. So you can think of a database like this, okay. 1309 01:27:52,530 --> 01:27:58,860 database table. So think of like an index is like a is like a 1310 01:27:58,860 --> 01:28:03,780 second table. So you have, so you have a table of data. And 1311 01:28:03,780 --> 01:28:07,290 the index is almost like a separate table, where the 1312 01:28:07,290 --> 01:28:13,920 records are pointers, from the indexed columns into to the 1313 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:20,550 primary key in the index table, if that makes sense. So you have 1314 01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:23,820 this, this, the index is this separate sort of like hidden 1315 01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:30,180 table over here, where it all it's doing is keeping track of 1316 01:28:30,690 --> 01:28:34,620 relationships between the index value and the primary key of the 1317 01:28:34,710 --> 01:28:42,000 of the index table traditional. So you can you can look, looking 1318 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,240 up the data. So looking at it. So if you have a you have your 1319 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,700 index over here, and that's what you want to always live in your 1320 01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:53,520 index, because that's mostly in memory. If, if your database is 1321 01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:56,130 machine as well, you know, it's got enough RAM that can have 1322 01:28:56,130 --> 01:29:00,600 things in memory. And you're going to it's fast. So going to 1323 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,830 get the road data itself is slow, because that's sometimes 1324 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:09,900 it's on disk. And that's you don't want to have to do that 1325 01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:14,970 until the basically the very last minute. So because what 1326 01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:17,730 happened because what can happen is you know, if you will be 1327 01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:20,220 terrible is if you go and get all the data, if you go and get 1328 01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:24,180 all the data from the actual table off disk, then you 1329 01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:27,270 determine that some of the filter filtering in either in 1330 01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:33,510 the where clause, or in the group by or something has, has 1331 01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:36,480 filtered out some of those rows because now you've fetched a 1332 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,280 bunch of rows that you didn't even need sounds 1333 01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,490 Adam Curry: very inefficient, highly inefficient. 1334 01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:45,210 Dave Jones: So what you want is a database that does something 1335 01:29:45,210 --> 01:29:47,130 called a late row lookups This is 1336 01:29:47,130 --> 01:29:51,930 Adam Curry: sexy sequel talk with David sexiest sequel, 1337 01:29:52,980 --> 01:29:58,050 Dave Jones: and this MySQL does not this does not do this. So 1338 01:29:58,050 --> 01:30:03,540 you have to sort of work around Do you have to finagle MySQL to 1339 01:30:03,540 --> 01:30:10,920 get it to avoid this issue? Because what if you an imp, a 1340 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,460 well, a, excuse me a poorly thought out use of something 1341 01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:22,200 like, group by or order by can trigger this problem where you 1342 01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:27,900 end up fetching 100,000 rows. And then you actually only 1343 01:30:27,900 --> 01:30:32,700 deliver 5000 of them. That was the issue here. What was 1344 01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:37,230 confusing me is, it's been triggered by the way 1345 01:30:37,230 --> 01:30:39,510 Adam Curry: he was confused about the problem as I am about 1346 01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:40,500 the explanation. 1347 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,150 Dave Jones: I had to reverse engineer the explanation after I 1348 01:30:45,150 --> 01:30:49,170 figured out what the problem was. Okay. What was confusing me 1349 01:30:49,170 --> 01:30:56,730 is that it was triggered by the ORDER BY clause. So if I if I 1350 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:02,400 went in to what was happening is those I was ordering the sequel 1351 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:10,770 result by by timestamp on the episodes because you like I 1352 01:31:10,770 --> 01:31:15,240 don't know wasn't ordering it by the primary index. Primary Key 1353 01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:17,790 is ordering it by the timestamp, because that's a more accurate 1354 01:31:17,790 --> 01:31:24,870 record of ref reflection of the chronological order of the of 1355 01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:31,440 the feed. So the order by the timestamp is an indexed column. 1356 01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:36,450 So I'm like, why is this slow? This doesn't make any sense. And 1357 01:31:37,530 --> 01:31:43,800 it ended up it was, what I had to do to fix it was basically, 1358 01:31:44,940 --> 01:31:47,580 there, it's this statement has like four different joins, it 1359 01:31:47,580 --> 01:31:50,490 joins four different other tables into it when it's 1360 01:31:50,490 --> 01:31:54,270 running. So what I had to do is basically make a sub query, that 1361 01:31:54,270 --> 01:31:59,040 would only get just it only worked with the primary key, 1362 01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:03,210 that's all it did, there was no other things being being asked 1363 01:32:03,210 --> 01:32:07,470 for or filtered on than that sub ID. So that's a career was gonna 1364 01:32:07,470 --> 01:32:13,170 be very fast, then it hands it back to the outer query, which 1365 01:32:13,170 --> 01:32:18,000 does all the joins in orders and orders it because at that point 1366 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:23,580 is ordering by a much smaller set of data. So then, once that 1367 01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:30,600 was, once that was figured out, then it fixed all of these 1368 01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:35,880 problems all at once. So now everything works, the way you 1369 01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,790 would expect you get you when you ask for 100 episodes, you 1370 01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:43,200 actually get 100 episodes. And that that was because there was 1371 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,560 another issue, I was trying to work around this issue. Many, 1372 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:53,100 many like, like, almost at the beginning of the API, I was 1373 01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,320 trying to work around this issue without understand and I was in 1374 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,560 a rush, and I didn't understand what the problem was. And so I 1375 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:03,060 had put like a false floor on this. So what was happening at 1376 01:33:03,060 --> 01:33:07,770 the when you would ask for like three episodes by feed ID, you 1377 01:33:07,770 --> 01:33:12,390 would ask for 100 episodes, it was true, it was putting like a 1378 01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:19,470 false time constraint on it. To try to limit the the try to 1379 01:33:19,470 --> 01:33:25,350 limit the set of rows that it was looking for. Wishes a dirty, 1380 01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:28,830 ugly, awful weight. And it's just, it's just completely 1381 01:33:28,830 --> 01:33:35,100 broken. But I'd forgotten I'd had done this. And so it was 1382 01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:39,390 like, let's try to limit it to like if you asked for. If you 1383 01:33:39,390 --> 01:33:42,990 asked for 25 episodes, let's try to limit it to like six months. 1384 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,280 If you try abs for 100, let's limit it to like a year. You 1385 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,380 know, you see what I'm saying. It's like trying to put like 1386 01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:55,800 this false time constraint on it is just so horrible. And now, it 1387 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,500 doesn't matter. Like all that's fixed, if you can ask for 100 1388 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,950 episodes that mattered. If those if some of the episodes were 10 1389 01:34:01,950 --> 01:34:05,220 years ago to continue, you're gonna get everything. So we're 1390 01:34:05,220 --> 01:34:09,480 good to go on that. The only thing that that I need to add is 1391 01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:15,600 somebody asked for in the GitHub, somebody asked for a 1392 01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:24,540 essentially like a mode of weird where this where this API will 1393 01:34:24,570 --> 01:34:28,290 work differently. So what they were saying some people may not 1394 01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:31,020 know that when you ask when you call the episodes by feed ID 1395 01:34:31,020 --> 01:34:35,340 endpoint you can give it multiple feed IDs. So you can 1396 01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:40,560 say I want episode I want 100 episodes from these seven 1397 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,060 different feeds and it will give you back everything it can find 1398 01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:49,950 from those seven feeds up to a result count of 100. This 1399 01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:55,290 personal nugget have said I want that but I want to be I want to 1400 01:34:55,290 --> 01:34:59,970 get that many results from each feed. If I ask for seven fee 1401 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,060 didn't ask for 20 episodes, I want to get 20 episodes from 1402 01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:07,710 each feed. So it'd be a total of 140 Do you have 1403 01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:14,430 Adam Curry: how many? If you ask for what what did you expect 1404 01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:14,790 again? 1405 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,830 Dave Jones: If you ask for seven fees 20 episodes, you expect to 1406 01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:20,520 get 140 1407 01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:29,160 Adam Curry: I need 120 episodes. You got me all worked up with 1408 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,510 your sexy sequel. 1409 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,910 Dave Jones: This is the way you don't fall asleep 1410 01:35:36,090 --> 01:35:38,310 Adam Curry: as Ray. Don't fall asleep. 1411 01:35:39,690 --> 01:35:44,550 Unknown: Called nein nein Nein. Sexist SQL. 1412 01:35:47,790 --> 01:35:50,520 Dave Jones: This is how you entertain yourself by fiddling 1413 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:51,150 with buttons. 1414 01:35:51,450 --> 01:35:53,790 Adam Curry: Oh no. I went to a whole website. I searched for 1415 01:35:53,790 --> 01:35:58,530 porn music. I was pre listening. I'm like, Oh, this is not this 1416 01:35:58,530 --> 01:36:00,780 is not quite it and like, Oh, this is the one this is the 1417 01:36:00,780 --> 01:36:02,070 white. There we go. I 1418 01:36:02,070 --> 01:36:03,780 Dave Jones: especially always tell when you let when you 1419 01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:06,450 listen to slipping. You're like oh, sorry, guys. I'm always 1420 01:36:06,450 --> 01:36:12,720 telling you. I love how it started though. Dave 1421 01:36:14,430 --> 01:36:18,510 Adam Curry: got to be more that sexy sequel talk. baybay 1422 01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:22,590 Dave Jones: I'm fresh out. I used it all on YouTube. Wow. 1423 01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:23,490 That's too bad 1424 01:36:29,940 --> 01:36:35,130 that's it. Oh, that's it. Period. End of story. 1425 01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,710 Adam Curry: I pay for that. I pay for that music vital. I 1426 01:36:37,710 --> 01:36:39,270 don't have you know, no. Yeah, I 1427 01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:40,560 Unknown: paid for. Well, I 1428 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:45,210 Adam Curry: have I pay for a music service. Absolutely. 1429 01:36:45,810 --> 01:36:47,100 Dave Jones: What service days? 1430 01:36:47,220 --> 01:36:49,890 Adam Curry: Oh, I just closed it. I use the one I use here. 1431 01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:53,880 What's it called? It's like a like an annual. What's the core 1432 01:36:53,910 --> 01:37:00,870 elements? And vado in vado.com envato.com? Oh, you're 1433 01:37:00,870 --> 01:37:06,180 sexy soundtracks? Yedlin photo.com. 1434 01:37:06,780 --> 01:37:08,100 Dave Jones: Really getting your money? We're getting your 1435 01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:09,720 money's worth. Yeah. 1436 01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:13,950 Adam Curry: It's like even. That's where I got our show 1437 01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:17,730 theme from this. I bought that. 1438 01:37:19,110 --> 01:37:23,100 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. So your music? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In vado 1439 01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:24,510 elements. Oh, 1440 01:37:24,510 --> 01:37:27,270 Adam Curry: man. All right. So do we have anything else that we 1441 01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:28,650 must cover today? 1442 01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:34,530 Dave Jones: I had on my list for the open podcasts? Yes. 1443 01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:36,480 Adam Curry: I had that on my listing. I actually had it up 1444 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:37,830 pretty high, actually. 1445 01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,100 Dave Jones: But that's fine. We can kick it to next week. The 1446 01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:44,850 Adam Curry: open podcast API specification. You were thinking 1447 01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:46,170 of building a reference server. 1448 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,560 Dave Jones: Yeah, and I did some more research on it this week. 1449 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:53,010 And we come back to next week. I mean, this this file isn't 1450 01:37:53,010 --> 01:37:53,820 there's no rush on that. 1451 01:37:55,290 --> 01:37:57,630 Adam Curry: I guess not. Do we have a guest next week? We have 1452 01:37:57,630 --> 01:37:59,790 a we got a guest coming up. Who do you have next week? 1453 01:37:59,940 --> 01:38:03,900 Dave Jones: We do we have Eric from the our podcast the Eric 1454 01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:08,760 built the the podcast dashboard for us the one that shows all 1455 01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,740 the duplicates and all the issues? Yes, 1456 01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:13,140 Adam Curry: yes. Yes. Yeah. What else? What else is Eric do white 1457 01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:14,280 does the our podcast. 1458 01:38:15,060 --> 01:38:19,260 Dave Jones: He does the art. Our pagar is a programming language. 1459 01:38:20,190 --> 01:38:25,740 that's used a lot for like stats and scientific analysis. Yes, we 1460 01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:28,920 Adam Curry: have. We have interesting people. For sure. 1461 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:33,180 Really have interesting people. Eric, Eric, oh, he's always in 1462 01:38:33,180 --> 01:38:33,960 the board of Eric. 1463 01:38:35,490 --> 01:38:39,960 Unknown: Bring your bathing suit. Eric will put you into a 1464 01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:40,410 hot 1465 01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:48,030 Dave Jones: a hot tub. I didn't know the boardroom even had a 1466 01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:50,820 Unknown: way the only boardroom with a hot tub. 1467 01:38:51,540 --> 01:38:54,300 Dave Jones: How do we afford that? Well, it's 1468 01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:57,720 Unknown: more like a warm tub. It's not really hot. It's warm. 1469 01:38:58,260 --> 01:39:00,240 We can't heat it up that much. It's more like 1470 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:01,770 Dave Jones: room temperature. 1471 01:39:04,050 --> 01:39:06,150 Adam Curry: And let's thank some people. We got been hearing 1472 01:39:06,150 --> 01:39:08,520 boost going on throughout the entire show. Let's see what we 1473 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:13,650 got. Well, right there. We have a 5000 SATs from our podcasts 1474 01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:18,360 from Eric. That's our dash podcast pouring out one for 1475 01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:22,140 Google Reader. He says it was my first gateway to consuming RSS 1476 01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:26,220 content. Excited for our dive into the pie dashboard next 1477 01:39:26,220 --> 01:39:30,120 week. Yeah, me too. I love that when this Go ahead. 1478 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,460 Dave Jones: It sounds like a podcast about pirates, right? 1479 01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:33,600 The our podcast 1480 01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:38,250 Adam Curry: or? Yeah, I love it that we just delayed talking 1481 01:39:38,250 --> 01:39:40,830 about something long enough until someone will finally give 1482 01:39:40,830 --> 01:39:42,630 up and come on the show to talk about it. 1483 01:39:44,910 --> 01:39:47,670 Dave Jones: Oh man, you blew my he you've exposed my 1484 01:39:47,670 --> 01:39:51,600 Adam Curry: strategy and strategy. Dred Scott who has 1485 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:55,950 been indeed has been doing gifs in our chapter art which is 1486 01:39:55,950 --> 01:40:01,500 looked dynamite. I'm sorry, not Dred Scott. Dred Scott has just 1487 01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:05,970 weighed today. Yes, Dred Scott. Yes, dread. I'm so confused. You 1488 01:40:05,970 --> 01:40:09,060 had a Brett you just had a bad brain. Yeah. Why is because of 1489 01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:12,390 the lukewarm tub. That's what happened. Yeah, heat water, low 1490 01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:18,180 heat. Now he's been doing crazy things with. With the with the 1491 01:40:18,180 --> 01:40:21,870 gifs kinds of gifs I think that people are making me GIFs. Now I 1492 01:40:21,870 --> 01:40:25,500 gotta put gifs everywhere. For 567 from Jeb, the only way I 1493 01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:30,120 could find to surface my pod full my pod roll is true fans. 1494 01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:34,680 He really does implement everything. And he has a drive 1495 01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,770 now has a podcast of ISOs which is worth checking out. 1496 01:40:38,940 --> 01:40:41,760 Dave Jones: I'm glad that Drib is dabbling. He's sticking his 1497 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,290 toe in the water. He's 1498 01:40:43,290 --> 01:40:46,440 Adam Curry: done. We'll put that into the boardroom there. 3333 1499 01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:50,790 from Eric peepee. And Erica boosted that for the 1500 01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:53,820 protagonist. Remember, when you're boosting a song can 1501 01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,970 always go back and you can always rewind and even pause it 1502 01:40:56,970 --> 01:40:59,610 and boost. Remember to tell them where you heard Tom got into 1503 01:40:59,610 --> 01:41:03,540 podcasting to point out 5000 SATs from Sam Sethi. Nice to see 1504 01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:09,180 in the version Oh dot one dot 11 of heavy pad and now have the 1505 01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:13,500 true fans logo. It's nice to see the true fans logo pop up. 1506 01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:17,040 Although I can't reply. Unfortunately with Sam's, I'd 1507 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,390 love to be able to reply. Sam Sam Sethi or his people in 1508 01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:25,170 America column Hey, Seth. True fans already replaces the apple 1509 01:41:25,170 --> 01:41:28,740 category list if medium equals music. So we take the primary 1510 01:41:28,740 --> 01:41:33,660 Apple category by E Music. Then we use the wave Lake music 1511 01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,410 category list to add other options like rock, soul, etc. 1512 01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:40,920 Apple will never release a music taxonomy. So we work around 1513 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,590 them. No, I mean, it's not even working around them, but just 1514 01:41:43,620 --> 01:41:47,670 working ahead of them. That's a good way to do it. I think I'm 1515 01:41:47,670 --> 01:41:50,880 sure that everyone else was going to follow this suit as a 1516 01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,900 good idea. So if medium equals music, then you just move over 1517 01:41:54,900 --> 01:41:57,630 to the wavelength music category. I still where does 1518 01:41:57,630 --> 01:41:59,910 that live? I know they have a place for it. I'd like just like 1519 01:41:59,910 --> 01:42:01,710 to point to it. It's something 1520 01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:04,380 Dave Jones: it's on their GitHub. It's on wave legs 1521 01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:05,820 Adam Curry: GitHub. Yeah, 1522 01:42:05,850 --> 01:42:08,220 Dave Jones: I think there's a link to it in the category in 1523 01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:11,430 the podcast, category television thread. Good. 1524 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,390 Adam Curry: Another 5000 from Sam Sethi. The iTunes namespace 1525 01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:18,090 is not open. It's controlled by Apple. They can change it but 1526 01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:20,910 everyone else can't. If we want to add their category list we 1527 01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:25,650 can ask but they can and will refuse. Sam Sam big fan of Apple 1528 01:42:25,650 --> 01:42:30,720 big fan of apps now these days? Yeah. And another 5000 SAS from 1529 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,920 Sam Sethi. He's clearly hit the Pinot Noir everybody. He's up 1530 01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:38,610 late. He's drinking. We have enabled artists feeds with that. 1531 01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:42,570 With our music publisher feeds, they work the same way. We have 1532 01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:45,690 events and ticketing next for artists and a merch store with 1533 01:42:45,690 --> 01:42:51,000 on demand delivery payment is both in Fiat or SATs booth. Sam 1534 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,020 is building an empire over there man, true face.fm And another 1535 01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:58,410 5000 SATs from samsat. The true fans have enabled publisher 1536 01:42:58,410 --> 01:43:04,830 feeds, we have 131 Live already. I don't think sovereign feeds 1537 01:43:04,830 --> 01:43:11,130 doesn't do publisher feeds yet. That would be cool. I'd love to 1538 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:14,730 do that I'd love to have. I mean, I know that Steven B is so 1539 01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:18,690 busy but I'd love to. I'd love to do an example of a publisher 1540 01:43:18,690 --> 01:43:21,120 fee because I'm a publisher. I got all kinds of 1541 01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,040 Dave Jones: lead that Stephen has slowed down a little bit 1542 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,200 because he was he was going too fast. He 1543 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:29,250 Adam Curry: was like yeah, he was burning up on reentry. Yes. 1544 01:43:30,150 --> 01:43:32,160 Dave Jones: Yeah. He's losing towels. 1545 01:43:32,370 --> 01:43:34,470 Adam Curry: I look quick chat with him this week. He's doing 1546 01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:37,590 good. He's doing he's doing good. We're very happy. Another 1547 01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:41,730 4567 from dribs got chapters may be a bit delayed. He says I have 1548 01:43:41,730 --> 01:43:44,610 a very busy weekend starting at noon today until late Sunday. 1549 01:43:44,820 --> 01:43:47,430 Hoping to squeeze in chapters somewhere in there. You know 1550 01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:53,310 what? Drip family first brother it's all good. Yeah, he does so 1551 01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:56,250 many chapters for so many different podcasts that I'm 1552 01:43:56,250 --> 01:43:58,860 happy they happen at all. Thank you but 1553 01:43:58,860 --> 01:44:01,020 Dave Jones: honestly really shameful for everybody for 1554 01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:01,770 everybody and 1555 01:44:02,850 --> 01:44:04,680 Adam Curry: everybody who contributes in any way time 1556 01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:05,550 talent treasure 1557 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,160 Dave Jones: 71 anybody to burn out? 1558 01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,360 Adam Curry: No 1776 from salty cray on Good afternoon 1559 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,200 boardrooms and positive notes Survival Guide got her track bad 1560 01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:20,220 little seed used in a UK show coming out as the intro V for V 1561 01:44:20,220 --> 01:44:24,990 music is working go podcasting Survival Guide. Oh, I know 1562 01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:29,370 survives she is wow. Hold on a second. So Survival Guide. I 1563 01:44:29,370 --> 01:44:35,280 think she's an Austin, musician. Survival Guide homeless second. 1564 01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:41,970 I am using the ever effervescent split kit to search for this. 1565 01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:46,170 Always takes a second because it's getting all those. It's 1566 01:44:46,170 --> 01:44:52,140 retrieving everything from Dave's have fixed API. You hope 1567 01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,290 no not. I'm not so sure. Actually. 1568 01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,530 Dave Jones: I promise something. Maybe I didn't deliver. 1569 01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:02,340 Adam Curry: What's the title of it? It's bad little seed that 1570 01:45:02,340 --> 01:45:03,120 little seed 1571 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,390 Dave Jones: Survival Guide is Emily from San Antonio. Yes 1572 01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:09,690 Adam Curry: yes yes yes That's Chris on death dreams I think 1573 01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:12,780 bad little seed Okay, hold on a second do you mind if I just we 1574 01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:16,800 just check it out for one second. Hit it. Oh, I'm fast I'm 1575 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:17,730 not that fast there we 1576 01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:18,930 Dave Jones: go. 1577 01:45:19,110 --> 01:45:20,670 Adam Curry: Please please 1578 01:45:21,780 --> 01:45:22,770 Dave Jones: please stand the time 1579 01:45:23,670 --> 01:45:28,230 Adam Curry: horrible what you're doing here okay this is bad Lucy 1580 01:45:28,740 --> 01:45:37,950 who oh yeah I played this on on the ball keep it out plays me 1581 01:45:53,190 --> 01:45:55,650 Yeah, that's good and you can boost that even that little bit 1582 01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:56,310 you can boost 1583 01:45:57,420 --> 01:45:59,490 Dave Jones: okay, you split kidded that right you spliced it 1584 01:45:59,490 --> 01:46:00,120 right in I 1585 01:46:01,350 --> 01:46:05,250 Adam Curry: did. Excellent. Well, V for V music is indeed 1586 01:46:05,250 --> 01:46:09,810 working and then all of a sudden we get a 45,678 boost from 1587 01:46:09,930 --> 01:46:13,410 Trump's got the Bruce Wayne of podcasts in 2.0. And he says 1588 01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,710 appreciate all you guys do special shout out to Steven B 1589 01:46:16,710 --> 01:46:20,280 sovereign feeds that made it possible to start my podcasting 1590 01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:25,260 by osmosis osmosis project excitedly named Dred Scott 1591 01:46:25,260 --> 01:46:26,730 stuff. We're 1592 01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,030 Dave Jones: dribbling it need help on the naming front? 1593 01:46:33,090 --> 01:46:35,700 Unknown: No, I like it. I like Dred Scott stuff. 1594 01:46:37,170 --> 01:46:39,390 Adam Curry: Where I've been posting ISOs I've created over 1595 01:46:39,390 --> 01:46:42,990 the years he's like, there's like 20 episodes. Check it out. 1596 01:46:43,170 --> 01:46:46,050 Just try and boost before your app ends or switch it to the 1597 01:46:46,050 --> 01:46:50,190 next episode. Literally. Each episode is an ISO. Thanks to all 1598 01:46:50,190 --> 01:46:52,680 those that have been answering my questions. Hashtag go 1599 01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,560 podcasting. Thank you, brother. For an intense that's from 1600 01:46:55,560 --> 01:47:01,140 anonymous. I'm sorry. 808 from blueberry. There we go. On May 1601 01:47:01,140 --> 01:47:05,370 22. I'll be demoing a lit RSS feed feed for the Minnesota 1602 01:47:05,370 --> 01:47:08,550 blockchain initiative. Can't wait to use split kit for the 1603 01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:12,240 presentation instead of PowerPoint. Yeah. Oh, that's 1604 01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:16,110 cool. That's very cool. Blueberry man. He's out there. 1605 01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:20,880 And the tone record 20,000 SATs pre show boost today sending out 1606 01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,750 a shout out to our high school robotics team 2050 to entering 1607 01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:28,500 the Minnesota State Championship tomorrow. Let me hear your holid 1608 01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:38,040 Nightcrawler. And with that, I think I hit the limiter. 1609 01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:45,150 Dave Jones: No, we've got no one off pay pals. Whoa, this week. 1610 01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,120 Yeah, yeah, it was slow, 1611 01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:52,050 Adam Curry: slow and slow. You know, April, April is a bad 1612 01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:54,870 month for value for value. DeVore economic we're looking at 1613 01:47:54,870 --> 01:48:00,210 it. It turns out every year for 16 years. April is a is a very 1614 01:48:00,210 --> 01:48:04,560 slow month and I'm talking about it's a number of donations. Just 1615 01:48:04,590 --> 01:48:08,850 purely the number of people but it has to do with taxes as with 1616 01:48:08,850 --> 01:48:11,610 all kinds of different stuff, but it's always been a tough 1617 01:48:11,610 --> 01:48:11,970 month. 1618 01:48:12,780 --> 01:48:17,760 Dave Jones: So it was a big one big cancellation of the month 1619 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,670 that came in and then another smaller cancellation of a month 1620 01:48:20,670 --> 01:48:22,770 came in so we it was definitely a 1621 01:48:23,460 --> 01:48:25,290 Adam Curry: hard times. Hard times 1622 01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:28,290 Dave Jones: are tiring lows levels it's 27 things right 1623 01:48:28,290 --> 01:48:33,780 hard. Yeah, it's I don't know things are hard but they will 1624 01:48:33,780 --> 01:48:37,350 get we definitely have booster grams that we got Chad F Jed 1625 01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:41,280 Ferro 3333 from found he says I missed this live because I was 1626 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,440 waiting around for Joe Martin's concert to go live. That's 1627 01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,000 right. We can Yeah, did last week. Yeah, 1628 01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:47,520 Adam Curry: I did see some of it. I saw some of the concert 1629 01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,800 just a little bit. Look good Paul. 1630 01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:55,500 Dave Jones: airson 10,001 SATs that's a 101012 found and he 1631 01:48:55,500 --> 01:49:00,300 says retro boost. Here's today's Adam Can you hear me? Yeah. When 1632 01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:03,090 the power went out on episode 176 That was so I was laughing 1633 01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:04,050 for a few minutes. I 1634 01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:06,720 Adam Curry: was safe y'all it was mean it was mean. 1635 01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:12,480 Dave Jones: 4000 SATs from Rp 1984 or 4000 He's to fountain he 1636 01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:20,520 says boost boost. Who essential Richards from just listening. 1637 01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:23,490 One One on One through fountain he says I can hardly even get 1638 01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:27,600 through the first clip. Cat GPT sounds like a feline explaining 1639 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,720 how she is going to eat your balls while you slumber and why 1640 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:31,920 you should be happy about it. 1641 01:49:35,820 --> 01:49:37,770 Unknown: Right. Carrie, 1642 01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:43,800 Dave Jones: thanks just listen, Sir Brian of London 21 948 Wow. 1643 01:49:44,220 --> 01:49:47,340 Through cast ematic Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that. No, no, 1644 01:49:47,370 --> 01:49:50,610 no, no. Bucha he's gonna He's gonna He's gonna notices hive 1645 01:49:50,610 --> 01:49:54,570 beats both noster and activity pub and one crucial respect. You 1646 01:49:54,570 --> 01:49:57,510 don't need the hosting company or podcaster to host their own 1647 01:49:57,510 --> 01:50:01,320 hardware. Podcasting. 2.0 hasn't paid for pod being hosting in 1648 01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:02,790 two plus years just saying 1649 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,510 Adam Curry: is that because it's self sustaining or is Brian 1650 01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:07,950 paying for it? I don't understand. 1651 01:50:09,300 --> 01:50:11,820 Dave Jones: It's got something something to do with hive 1652 01:50:11,820 --> 01:50:17,610 staking that I don't understand. Like somehow you stake a portion 1653 01:50:17,610 --> 01:50:22,080 of hive and then it just does something okay as 1654 01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:24,990 Adam Curry: long as as long as Brian's not paying for anything 1655 01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:25,980 I've 1656 01:50:25,980 --> 01:50:28,650 Dave Jones: asked him multiple times and he says that it's that 1657 01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:32,850 he's not that it's not costing him any money okay, that's all 1658 01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:36,090 it's got something to do with like I don't understand staking 1659 01:50:36,150 --> 01:50:38,190 in general but it's got something to do with like you 1660 01:50:38,850 --> 01:50:40,350 stake this much 1661 01:50:40,530 --> 01:50:43,590 Adam Curry: guy you put some money up you put some money in 1662 01:50:43,620 --> 01:50:45,660 Dave Jones: and then as long as it stays there like it just 1663 01:50:45,660 --> 01:50:49,080 keeps rolling or something they he can explain it to me and I'll 1664 01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:53,910 I'll do it and I will return the information. Okay. Karen for the 1665 01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:56,670 mere mortals podcasts that's a Richards 1111 He says I don't 1666 01:50:56,670 --> 01:51:01,170 think my last live boosts got through Oh no. Guys I'm worried 1667 01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,220 after all that gunfire the ad safety human SLAs are going to 1668 01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:08,700 block and do monetize you I'm going I'm going over and 1669 01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:11,400 enabling auto downloads on Apple to help you out you're welcome 1670 01:51:15,570 --> 01:51:18,630 Adam Curry: hook us up man smash that like button switch on 1671 01:51:18,630 --> 01:51:22,080 Apple's auto download hook us up brother you really help us a lot 1672 01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:22,680 thanks man. 1673 01:51:23,970 --> 01:51:31,680 Dave Jones: Sir Oh sir Bill 100,000 sets Whoa That 1674 01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,570 Unknown: deserves a 1675 01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:38,430 shot caller 20 is blades on am Paula 1676 01:51:38,430 --> 01:51:42,960 Adam Curry: and come on in sir bill. Come on into our onto our 1677 01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:50,220 room temperature to join us to tap into join us. Does he have a 1678 01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:52,170 Baba Baba Baba booster Graham. 1679 01:51:53,370 --> 01:51:56,760 Dave Jones: He says boost your favorite podcasts. Exclamation 1680 01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:57,210 point. 1681 01:51:58,770 --> 01:52:01,980 Unknown: Boosted with an exclamation point. 1682 01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:07,140 Dave Jones: Boost. Thank you, Bill. 1683 01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:12,510 Adam Curry: Thanks. Let's see tip. Top. Top is 1684 01:52:13,590 --> 01:52:16,860 Dave Jones: everybody loves a tepid tub. And usually Costello 1685 01:52:17,130 --> 01:52:25,860 Hey Ainsley. Do fountain she sends boost 2500 boost to to the 1686 01:52:25,860 --> 01:52:32,430 artists lesson who what did we play last week? For the song we 1687 01:52:32,430 --> 01:52:33,810 played I can't remember this 1688 01:52:33,810 --> 01:52:40,740 Adam Curry: song we played last week. It was sweet cheeks the 1689 01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:41,400 velvet axe. 1690 01:52:41,970 --> 01:52:44,460 Dave Jones: Okay, yeah. So she boosted that. Oh, she says heard 1691 01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:45,330 it on the board meeting. 1692 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,610 Adam Curry: Ah, there you go. That's how you do it. Thank you. 1693 01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:48,510 Thank you. Ainsley. 1694 01:52:49,710 --> 01:52:52,680 Dave Jones: Karen comes back again for another session of 1695 01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:56,550 Richard's they found and he says cat GPT is super clever, great 1696 01:52:56,550 --> 01:53:00,510 wordplay. Dave also just crossed a million Sasa support via 1697 01:53:00,510 --> 01:53:00,930 fountain. 1698 01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:02,280 Adam Curry: Yeah, 1699 01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:07,050 Unknown: no and I'm gonna give him a bolo. Sakala 20 is Blaze 1700 01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:08,760 own am Paula and 1701 01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:11,700 Adam Curry: chyron as you know, when you're a member of the 1702 01:53:11,700 --> 01:53:19,290 million Satoshi club, you've got a spot in the tap into always 1703 01:53:21,210 --> 01:53:25,200 Dave Jones: caring, caring, caring goes bareback he's not 1704 01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:25,680 allowed in 1705 01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:33,810 this this trunks only tub 1706 01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:39,990 Unknown: out of here. It is overflowing here. It's happened. 1707 01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,000 nasty man. 1708 01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:48,870 Dave Jones: Says you guys have learned every bit I'm gonna go 1709 01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:49,650 podcast? Yeah, 1710 01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:51,240 Unknown: go podcast. There we go. 1711 01:53:54,930 --> 01:54:00,030 Dave Jones: strat s f 167 SATs as part of a boost to high 1712 01:54:00,030 --> 01:54:03,930 gravity to celebrate the first anniversary of VTn. Nice. Nice 1713 01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:05,310 night back in Houston. Oh, he 1714 01:54:05,310 --> 01:54:08,250 Adam Curry: went back and went. Oh, that's perfect. I love that. 1715 01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,520 And it still works. Of course it does. Of course. This stuff will 1716 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,500 be around forever, man. Huh, 1717 01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:15,480 Dave Jones: Episode 131 Toilet scroller? 1718 01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:20,070 Adam Curry: There's some common theme with us. Dave there's 1719 01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:25,800 bathroom humor everywhere. It's not a toilet. It's a tub. I'm 1720 01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:26,370 telling you. 1721 01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:30,990 Dave Jones: It's called childishness. Jean Everett 3333. 1722 01:54:32,010 --> 01:54:34,530 Through fountain he says I can hear the vocal frost slipping in 1723 01:54:34,530 --> 01:54:38,040 from the NPR lady. I can hear JCD in my head calling it out. 1724 01:54:39,090 --> 01:54:45,060 Yeah, no. Yeah, for sure. And we get to delimiter There he is. 1725 01:54:45,660 --> 01:54:49,260 26,000 SATs from a broccoli field comic strip blogger, 1726 01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:50,280 fountain. 1727 01:54:51,450 --> 01:54:54,630 Adam Curry: Broccoli filled. He's broccoli. He's filled with 1728 01:54:54,630 --> 01:54:55,650 broccoli. Okay. 1729 01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:59,040 Dave Jones: He loves broccoli. It gives me gas but whatever. 1730 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,090 Hi, I'm Adam and Dave, I'd like to recommend a podcast titled 1731 01:55:03,090 --> 01:55:07,920 unrelenting, which is available at www dot unrelenting dot Show, 1732 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:13,170 hosted by Darren who hails from Chicago Warzone in Jean, who was 1733 01:55:13,170 --> 01:55:16,680 born in Russia but lives now in Texas. This podcast offers a 1734 01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:19,290 unique perspective thanks to jeans, entrepreneurial 1735 01:55:19,290 --> 01:55:23,100 background, making it quite intriguing. Additionally, 1736 01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:26,550 unrelenting serves as the opening act, the fluffer 1737 01:55:26,820 --> 01:55:27,630 podcasting. 1738 01:55:29,370 --> 01:55:32,220 Unknown: And there it is, thank you very much comics for Bogar 1739 01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:38,730 unrelenting yoyr for the big show. Yos. 1740 01:55:41,820 --> 01:55:45,930 Adam Curry: Do you know that? That I did the entire voiceover 1741 01:55:45,930 --> 01:55:51,510 for a for an actual porn movie in the 80s? No, I did. No, you 1742 01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:56,070 did. Yes. I did. It. I'm telling you it received an award from 1743 01:55:56,070 --> 01:56:01,830 Hustler magazine when I was 17 not listen, I was 17 I was 1744 01:56:01,830 --> 01:56:05,970 doing. I was doing my pirate radio show. This is English or 1745 01:56:05,970 --> 01:56:09,090 Dutch in English is a true story. I was doing my pirate 1746 01:56:09,090 --> 01:56:13,350 radio show in Amsterdam, a decibel radio. And yeah, he was 1747 01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:18,300 using the name John Holden. Yeah, that was right that it's 1748 01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:25,050 hard to like John Holden decibel radio lady. Yes. And, and so 1749 01:56:25,050 --> 01:56:29,100 there was this very famous guy in Holland Vilem from Kota and 1750 01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:33,030 he owned a big record. Record Company. He's still alive. He's, 1751 01:56:33,180 --> 01:56:36,150 he's in his late 80s. I've talked to him from time to time. 1752 01:56:36,450 --> 01:56:41,760 And he finance this movie, which was about a club called job, 1753 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:46,500 Jim. Why ABYUM You can look it up yum. Yum, I think is still a 1754 01:56:46,530 --> 01:56:51,330 sex club today. And it was, and it was this whole movie in 1755 01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:55,980 Amsterdam, where this detect it was starred a net Haven, who I 1756 01:56:55,980 --> 01:56:58,680 don't know if she's still with us, but she was an actual adult 1757 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:04,860 film star. And some, they'd gotten some British actor who 1758 01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:09,000 was who was playing a detective. And he was really perfect for 1759 01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:12,870 the role if you know what I mean. But he had a very good a 1760 01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:16,710 very witty, wimpy English accent. And so they wanted me to 1761 01:57:16,710 --> 01:57:20,700 dub his voice. And I did the whole movie. And it got I think, 1762 01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:24,180 got the fully erect penis award from Hustler magazine. And I 1763 01:57:24,180 --> 01:57:28,260 still Yeah, it's true. You ad yard. Yeah, I did the ad. I was 1764 01:57:28,260 --> 01:57:31,980 like, I'm from a city health inspection, ma'am. I mean, I can 1765 01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:34,530 remember some of the lines. I bet if I saw the movie, I could 1766 01:57:34,530 --> 01:57:35,880 still do some of those lines. 1767 01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:39,780 Dave Jones: So he was purely hard for the size of his Yeah, 1768 01:57:39,780 --> 01:57:40,410 exactly. 1769 01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:41,940 Adam Curry: Yes. Mike. Stan. Exactly. 1770 01:57:42,660 --> 01:57:43,410 Dave Jones: Well 1771 01:57:43,770 --> 01:57:47,160 Adam Curry: done. Yeah. That was my early. My early career who 1772 01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:52,110 know? I just remember this. Yeah, I just remembered this. 1773 01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:52,770 Oh, 1774 01:57:52,770 --> 01:57:55,110 Dave Jones: I've got to get clips from this. This somebody 1775 01:57:55,110 --> 01:57:56,370 please call 1776 01:57:57,540 --> 01:58:01,770 Adam Curry: called Let me see. Movie. Hot Pursuit. 1777 01:58:02,970 --> 01:58:05,220 Dave Jones: That's the name of the movie The Hot Hot Pursuit? 1778 01:58:06,090 --> 01:58:13,470 Adam Curry: Policy. 1987 Let me say we probably have to put in 1779 01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:20,760 adult movie. adult movie. Ad yeah, there it is. Ad it's on 1780 01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:21,570 IMDb. 1781 01:58:22,650 --> 01:58:27,060 Unknown: Did you have a credit? Credit? I don't know. Let's find 1782 01:58:27,060 --> 01:58:27,660 out. Oh, we 1783 01:58:27,660 --> 01:58:29,820 Dave Jones: gotta find this out. That's gotta be Oh, 1784 01:58:29,820 --> 01:58:32,760 Adam Curry: man. Would it be funny if they had if they had a 1785 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,810 clip from it? Miss Oh, something. Something went wrong 1786 01:58:36,810 --> 01:58:40,650 there hyperdrive motivator has been damaged out here we go. And 1787 01:58:40,650 --> 01:58:43,920 that haven is Little Miss Shirley. Abel Cain was the 1788 01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:47,340 detective that I don't think I get I don't think I get a 1789 01:58:47,340 --> 01:58:49,560 credit. There's the director 1790 01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:52,230 Dave Jones: and you did you did the total overdub and you don't 1791 01:58:52,230 --> 01:58:53,670 get any credit completely 1792 01:58:53,700 --> 01:58:55,830 Adam Curry: complete overnight. I don't think I got any credit. 1793 01:58:56,790 --> 01:59:02,910 No, I they should add me to this though. Oh, man, that 1794 01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:08,040 Dave Jones: was a crazy thing to do. That's like no you couldn't 1795 01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:11,100 you're no no. 1796 01:59:12,570 --> 01:59:13,560 Unknown: No, you pay well. 1797 01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,520 Adam Curry: It didn't really matter that much it but it was 1798 01:59:17,550 --> 01:59:20,760 it was more than just a it was a it was a lot of it was a feature 1799 01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:26,040 film was a lot of dialogue in this Yeah, bed. It's like a lot 1800 01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,920 of a lot of ready for the dope. Ah, 1801 01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:30,600 Unknown: yeah. Oh, baby. 1802 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:33,690 Dave Jones: It's just a lot of that. You could just you could 1803 01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:37,290 just like, take a few cuts of that. And then just like loop it 1804 01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:37,590 and I 1805 01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:40,410 Adam Curry: and I remember, be sure I'll just finish up with 1806 01:59:40,410 --> 01:59:41,580 this. That's right. And that 1807 01:59:41,580 --> 01:59:42,630 Unknown: hey, how did it end? 1808 01:59:45,630 --> 01:59:49,980 Adam Curry: No, but But I remember that had to do a scene 1809 01:59:50,010 --> 01:59:55,740 with a female ADR. And it was this beautiful black woman and 1810 01:59:55,740 --> 02:00:01,950 we're both in the studio moaning instead Just she's like in a in 1811 02:00:01,950 --> 02:00:05,430 a tracksuit and on my jeans and I just remember how weird it 1812 02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:08,070 was. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, baby it was it was 1813 02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:11,130 Unknown: was very very very weird. This 1814 02:00:12,269 --> 02:00:16,379 Dave Jones: was the the music video for Sweet Emotion. That's 1815 02:00:16,379 --> 02:00:20,699 what it reminds me of with, you know, music video. Yeah, the end 1816 02:00:20,699 --> 02:00:23,309 of the video the lady ironing and she's doing the phone sex. 1817 02:00:23,309 --> 02:00:24,389 Yes. Yeah. 1818 02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:26,790 Adam Curry: That's kind of what it was. It's kind of what it 1819 02:00:26,790 --> 02:00:32,010 was. I have not talked about that in at least 30 years and 1820 02:00:32,010 --> 02:00:33,900 why would you obviously 1821 02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:36,060 Dave Jones: yeah, I mean, like, you don't want that. Get out of 1822 02:00:36,060 --> 02:00:37,020 the bag. Oops. 1823 02:00:37,110 --> 02:00:41,100 Adam Curry: I don't I don't think I don't think there's any. 1824 02:00:41,610 --> 02:00:44,940 It'd be funny if we could still find I probably have the VHS 1825 02:00:44,940 --> 02:00:48,720 somewhere in my in a box somewhere. 1826 02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,280 Dave Jones: If if we don't get clips of this button next week. 1827 02:00:54,060 --> 02:00:55,380 Unknown: I'll be very disappointed. 1828 02:00:57,540 --> 02:00:58,320 Dave Jones: Veteran Dutch 1829 02:01:01,860 --> 02:01:04,350 Unknown: man Oh, man. Oh, man. All right. Okay. 1830 02:01:05,370 --> 02:01:07,590 Adam Curry: Are we done? Have we have we completed our 1831 02:01:07,590 --> 02:01:11,550 broadcasts? Hey, brother, have yourself a great weekend. Dave. 1832 02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:15,330 Thanks, everybody in the boardroom. See you back here on 1833 02:01:15,330 --> 02:01:17,430 Friday for podcasting 2.0. 1834 02:01:33,390 --> 02:01:37,950 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1835 02:01:37,950 --> 02:01:41,370 index.com. For more information, go 1836 02:01:41,370 --> 02:01:45,210 Adam Curry: podcast. Everything is broken.