1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,700 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for February 16 2024, episode 167 2 00:00:05,820 --> 00:00:11,880 Dec darlings Well Hello, we are back everybody. It's time once 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,450 again to find out what's going on with podcasting. Yes, this is 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,650 podcasting 2.0 the podcast that accompanies the project and 5 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:22,950 brings you the weekly board room that sometimes turns into a 6 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:25,620 dance party. Everything going on to podcast 7 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:30,480 index.org podcasting.org, the podcast namespace and of course, 8 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:34,020 all the happenings at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:34,020 --> 00:00:36,630 here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, to 10 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:39,450 man who I love with all my heart despite his blatant cheating on 11 00:00:39,450 --> 00:00:42,510 me say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, 12 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:46,710 Mr. Dave Jones. 13 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:51,239 Dave Jones: Look, sweetheart, it was just it was it was a 14 00:00:51,239 --> 00:00:54,239 meaningless thing. It was just a flame. You 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,580 Adam Curry: didn't really mean it. It happened. He's nothing 16 00:00:56,580 --> 00:00:58,710 you were drunk you he means nothing to me. 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,390 Dave Jones: He was a one time it was it was a one time weakness. 18 00:01:04,350 --> 00:01:06,990 I love you most I promise you I love you more. 19 00:01:08,010 --> 00:01:12,810 Adam Curry: It was just sex. It wasn't love. You missed it, you 20 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:13,290 missed that. 21 00:01:14,370 --> 00:01:16,290 Dave Jones: I was scraping around for it. I couldn't find 22 00:01:16,290 --> 00:01:16,680 it. So we 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,130 Adam Curry: didn't have a board meeting last week. I turned it 24 00:01:20,130 --> 00:01:24,450 into a dance party for an hour and a half, which actually I was 25 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:26,670 one of my favorite booster Graham balls. I don't know why 26 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:29,640 it just felt really it actually, I do know why because everybody 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,930 was kind of around and they were in the chat room. And sometimes 28 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:36,750 when I just do it sporadically, you know, not that many people 29 00:01:36,750 --> 00:01:39,960 are able to show up. And I was like, okay, you know, this is 30 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:43,170 this is okay, you know, we're missing a boardroom. But then as 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,120 I'm listening around, I hear you on a Friday show on the pod 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,360 news. 33 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:54,090 Dave Jones: as guilty as charged, I was trying to keep it 34 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:57,690 from you because I wanted what I was hoping for is that we were 35 00:01:57,690 --> 00:02:01,140 going to do or you know, do a board meeting. And when you 36 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:04,050 started to fire up show prep, you'd be like, what? 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,930 Adam Curry: That's pretty much what happened. Like, what if I 38 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:14,640 may say, you weren't quite good? You did a really good job. You 39 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:19,560 are you're a podcasting talent. I just have to say, You are 40 00:02:19,590 --> 00:02:24,270 Dave Jones: the talent you are it was good. It's good. I will 41 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,840 say that doing a scripted show is much more difficult than I 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,330 thought it would be. It's that I'm so used. My first ever 43 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:38,070 podcast experience was was with you where we just rip it. I 44 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:40,380 mean, it's just like, you know, hit the button, go. I mean, 45 00:02:40,380 --> 00:02:44,970 there's no, there's nothing, no net, there's no, there's no net. 46 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:50,940 And, and I've gotten so used to that where we're so freeform, I 47 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:55,650 can just do whatever that like having to keep in the back of my 48 00:02:55,650 --> 00:02:59,460 mind that there's a script that we need to hit the highlight, 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,100 you know, okay, don't talk too long about this one thing 50 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,580 because we need to go into this next thing. And I'm trying to 51 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:09,390 find it on the sheet. And it was it was a little nerve wracking. 52 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:09,900 Can 53 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:11,730 Adam Curry: I ask you a few questions about the production? 54 00:03:11,730 --> 00:03:14,430 Because I've always been interested? Yes, please. So 55 00:03:14,430 --> 00:03:17,400 first of all, do you see each other on video? Or is it just 56 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,840 pure audio? Clean feet? Okay, clean feet. Excellent. Second, 57 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,900 do you hear the interview segments? Or are those skipped 58 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:26,100 over when you're recording? 59 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,740 Dave Jones: They're inserted later. Okay, so 60 00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:32,460 Adam Curry: All right. So that? See? You kind of you kind of 61 00:03:32,460 --> 00:03:36,300 missed the there's no responding to it really? After? 62 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:39,000 Dave Jones: I did. I was so through. Yeah. Right. So I 63 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,380 didn't know what was being said in the interview. So I wasn't 64 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:51,390 sure what to say. But But I did get like, maybe like the script 65 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:54,630 is really well. It's really well done. I mean, like it's Colorize 66 00:03:54,630 --> 00:03:56,880 and everything are kind of gonna hit in 67 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,750 Adam Curry: an app or is it a is it a just a word doc? Or, like a 68 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:03,750 Google Docs? Okay. With colors with colors? 69 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:06,240 Dave Jones: Yeah, with colors. Yeah. and bright. My color was 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:12,780 purple. Yeah, so it was I mean, it was, it was it was well, 71 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:20,340 like, it was nicely put together to have something where other 72 00:04:20,340 --> 00:04:24,060 people need to drop in and hat and just kind of follow along. 73 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:26,940 Like it only to the whole thing, the whole production, 74 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:29,820 everything. I mean, like it was only took like 45 minutes or an 75 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:30,570 hour of my time. 76 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:33,960 Adam Curry: Right. And did you did you re record anything or 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,050 just went straight through? Straight through? Okay. Well, 78 00:04:37,050 --> 00:04:39,780 you were good, man. It was good. It's, it's, you're right. It's 79 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:42,840 often harder to I mean, we're just talking right? We're just 80 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,290 doing a board meeting by now. We're old hat at board meetings. 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,680 We can we can. In fact, we can be on your board. Anybody want 82 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,230 anybody out there wants to good guys on the board. Just let us 83 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:52,530 know. 84 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:55,800 Dave Jones: That's a good money making scheme. We could just do 85 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:59,970 other people's board meetings. Yes. That will run us there. 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,900 Looking forward? Well, 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,790 Adam Curry: we'll run it for you. Don't worry about it. So 88 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:03,420 good. Yeah. 89 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:04,620 Dave Jones: Give us a cut of your 90 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:12,150 Adam Curry: Yeah. There you go. Now, but it was good. It was fun 91 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:15,060 to hear you it was I don't know. I just liked it. That was nice. 92 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:17,970 I was listening today and James is by himself. I'm like, that 93 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:21,000 show doesn't work with just one person. It really needs to be 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:21,420 to. 95 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:24,420 Dave Jones: It's like new media show without Todd and 96 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:27,750 Adam Curry: I haven't even listened to this week's show 97 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:28,470 yet. Like, 98 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,130 Dave Jones: I thought he was back and I started fired it up 99 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:37,740 last night at at the gym. And I was like, in Rob started off. I 100 00:05:37,740 --> 00:05:41,130 was like, Oh, no offense. 101 00:05:46,530 --> 00:05:50,190 Adam Curry: Although I enjoyed thoroughly today, because when 102 00:05:50,190 --> 00:05:52,800 James doesn't have someone else there to catch, it's good to 103 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,710 have someone to catch your mistakes. And about five times 104 00:05:55,710 --> 00:06:00,120 he said, podcast to.org I'm like, that's not the website, 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,180 brother. That's not it. That's and someone else has it. I tried 106 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:05,700 to register right away. I'm like, oh, that can afford it. 107 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,540 Someone else has it already. So podcaster with podcasting. 108 00:06:09,540 --> 00:06:12,450 to.org Thank you. Thank you, James Cridland. Thank you. 109 00:06:12,450 --> 00:06:15,510 Daniel J. Lewis. What a great what a great website. 110 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:19,140 Dave Jones: Yeah, so it's it's classic Daniel J. Lewis. 111 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,800 Totally, totally like this. Yes, marketing is slickness. It's 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,540 very nice, very well done. 113 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:28,380 Adam Curry: And in great, great domain could do great domain 114 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:29,970 name. That 115 00:06:29,970 --> 00:06:32,310 Dave Jones: he somehow they I don't know who whether it's him 116 00:06:32,310 --> 00:06:37,500 or James came up with it. Maybe him I'm not sure but very, like 117 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:43,350 he was able to take a an unmarketable term like 118 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:47,520 podcasting. Yes. And, and make and salvage it into something. 119 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:50,490 Adam Curry: I mean, I actually sat there with my mouth open 120 00:06:50,490 --> 00:06:54,390 going, I can't believe I missed that one. I can't, I can't 121 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:58,290 believe it. That's like that is a genius. Genius. Fine for the, 122 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:02,310 for the for the website of podcasting. 2.0 It's just great. 123 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:06,900 I'm very pleased. And and it's it's very similar. It's the 124 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:10,980 template that Daniel J. had showed us earlier. But it's just 125 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:15,240 makes so much more sense for him to be created in his own 126 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,030 environment, not trying to shoehorn it into the index 127 00:07:18,030 --> 00:07:22,050 website. Great. Perfect is perfect. Very, very, 128 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:25,110 Dave Jones: very getting run it and not have not me have to 129 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:28,800 translate what he's doing into us. Yeah, it makes so much 130 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:29,700 sense. Exactly. 131 00:07:29,940 --> 00:07:33,450 Adam Curry: Exactly. And, and this all happens at a time where 132 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,170 RSS just keeps on winning. I mean, we're getting tired of 133 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:40,740 winning, everybody is so much winning over here. And 134 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:42,090 Dave Jones: he'll remember football. 135 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:47,070 Adam Curry: You know, we've been away for 14 days. So we have a 136 00:07:47,070 --> 00:07:50,040 couple things to catch up on but on Hill dosh who has been around 137 00:07:51,090 --> 00:07:55,110 technology and blogging for as long as I can remember, wrote 138 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:58,740 this great blog post called wherever you get your podcasts. 139 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:02,310 It's a radical statement. And you know, this kind of comes at 140 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:05,370 the same time with Joe Rogan reappears on all of the apps 141 00:08:05,370 --> 00:08:10,500 love that. Yeah, I mean that that really now on no agenda. 142 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:13,170 I'm just saying, hey, you know, you want to get a modern podcast 143 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:16,410 app a because all the other stuff is just legacy be Joe 144 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:19,590 Rogan's back again. So you can get it you can get your Rogen 145 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:22,650 with us. And you and your who's your daddy, or whatever that 146 00:08:22,650 --> 00:08:22,890 shows. 147 00:08:24,420 --> 00:08:27,000 Dave Jones: Call your daddy call your daddy quick and call her 148 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,420 daddy. I'm 149 00:08:27,420 --> 00:08:31,350 Adam Curry: sorry. But also just in RSS in general. My 150 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:35,670 stepdaughters here she's 29. She's in Chicago government, 151 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:39,030 which really Oh, yeah. Interesting. Oh, she's 152 00:08:39,030 --> 00:08:42,750 phenomenal. She she an older and older and she's worked she she 153 00:08:42,810 --> 00:08:45,420 worked for an alderman previously. And now she's in 154 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:50,940 City Hall. And she's, she's doing important things. I always 155 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:53,640 say, I'm so happy that she's in there to destroy government from 156 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,790 the inside. I'm very, very pleased. Very pleased 157 00:08:56,789 --> 00:08:58,709 Dave Jones: with Nick Offerman of Chicago. 158 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:03,150 Adam Curry: He's great. At what she's saying, yeah. Her fiance 159 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:05,730 said, Yeah, you know, he's, he's starting his blog, and he's 160 00:09:05,730 --> 00:09:08,970 doing everything in HTML. We really love. You know, we're all 161 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,170 every every we the royal we so that's, you know, she's 29. He's 162 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:19,770 31. So let's say millennials, I think 29 is probably millennial. 163 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,510 Or maybe not, maybe they're Gen Z. Not sure doesn't matter. 164 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:26,880 Dave Jones: Good on her forgetting hitch before she hits 165 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,860 30. I mean, this is rare these days. 166 00:09:29,909 --> 00:09:32,999 Adam Curry: And, you know, everyone's back with all talking 167 00:09:32,999 --> 00:09:36,029 about doing blogs again. And of course, it hurts me when I hear 168 00:09:36,029 --> 00:09:38,819 that they're reinventing the wheel like, oh, yeah, he's 169 00:09:38,819 --> 00:09:42,179 coding it in HTML. So, you know, we actually kind of invented 170 00:09:42,179 --> 00:09:47,699 stuff that makes it easy to blog. And, and, you know, so 171 00:09:47,729 --> 00:09:51,479 they're also kind of rediscovering RSS and what 172 00:09:51,479 --> 00:09:54,599 they're what I'm hearing is, where are the readers? Where are 173 00:09:54,599 --> 00:09:57,029 the apps? You know where they are, what do you use for an app? 174 00:09:57,029 --> 00:10:01,559 What do you use to to read your logs in so um, you know, it 175 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,819 seems like and I their Mac people, so I said, Oh, net 176 00:10:05,819 --> 00:10:10,199 newswire hands down that that's what you want to go there. And 177 00:10:10,229 --> 00:10:13,259 I'm really pleased, I'm very very pleased to see this and 178 00:10:13,259 --> 00:10:16,919 it's it's a natural thing that just sick of social media the 179 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:17,609 sick of it 180 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:21,330 Dave Jones: they want long form content that they can just hang 181 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:26,550 out with in digest. I mean, I found myself wanting that I love 182 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:33,660 just articles, just reading articles, long form text, things 183 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:38,700 that you can just sort of like live with and digest rather than 184 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:42,300 this rapid fire scrolling or scrolling attack that you're 185 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:46,470 just having to defend your eyeballs from all the time. And 186 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:51,300 no, it feels good. This. This is actually you know, this actually 187 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:54,060 brings up an interesting point that was hit in the namespace 188 00:10:54,060 --> 00:11:02,430 the other day. About about somebody who had proposed taking 189 00:11:02,430 --> 00:11:07,020 the medium, the blog and newsletter mediums out. I 190 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:09,690 Adam Curry: saw that I saw that Yeah, yeah. 191 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:15,720 Dave Jones: And so this this is interesting because of the the 192 00:11:15,750 --> 00:11:21,510 podcasting. This gets into what is the difference between like, 193 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,690 a podcast and a pot. What's it what's the difference in a 194 00:11:24,690 --> 00:11:28,530 podcast and a podcast? Like podcasting quotes, right, and 195 00:11:28,530 --> 00:11:34,470 podcast, lino literally in your thank you, Nathan, Nathan 196 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:42,660 LinkedIn in the in the chat. And the podcast became two o'clock 197 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:48,720 cast came to mean audio primarily video a little bit. 198 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:54,180 Yeah. Sometimes in and are distributed via RSS. But it's 199 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:58,650 not. That's not the real definition. A podcast is, is 200 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:03,810 content or media delivered in an enclosure over an RSS feed? 201 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,980 Adam Curry: That's my that's how I describe it. Yes. Yes. 202 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:10,680 Dave Jones: And that could be that could be a newsletter. It 203 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:14,370 could be a blog. Could be a PDF. Well, 204 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:18,720 Adam Curry: the HopStop. Blog typically would not be an 205 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,790 enclosure. Right? 206 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,080 Dave Jones: But it could be. 207 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:26,850 Adam Curry: It could, yes, yes. A PDF, a PDF blog posts. Yes. 208 00:12:26,970 --> 00:12:27,540 Think 209 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:30,240 Dave Jones: of it. Like it could be in reverse, though. So like 210 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,420 you could have, for instance, a newsletter that's distributed as 211 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:42,960 a podcast. And the body of the content of the RSS content of 212 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:48,540 the item is the text is the text in the enclosure is the is the 213 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:52,650 spoken version of it. It's like a pod, we typically think of a 214 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:56,400 podcast as audio, and then you can attach a transcript. This is 215 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,810 like a transcript that you can attach audio. So in reverse, 216 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,970 like, it would still be a podcast. And so that's in it's 217 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:09,960 not in it's not, but it's just somebody's blog, or somebody's 218 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,900 newsletter. Like if you take your substack 219 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,260 Adam Curry: and you have an AI and AI read it and make that 220 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:22,050 into an mp3. Yeah. Forward Unfortunately, most podcast apps 221 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:30,060 is my experience don't show the description very well. So as an 222 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:36,810 example, podcast guru only gives you half the screen. Oddly, so 223 00:13:36,810 --> 00:13:38,790 yeah, just scroll through this description. 224 00:13:39,870 --> 00:13:42,420 Dave Jones: But yeah, they cut it off. I guess they can't have 225 00:13:42,420 --> 00:13:43,710 a max carry. No, you can. 226 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:47,520 Adam Curry: You can scroll, you can scroll. It's just it 227 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,660 literally, if so if I open up like I had a lot with POD news. 228 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:55,110 So pod news, we'll talk about oh, there's a link in the in the 229 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:58,830 in the show notes. And James put the show notes in so then I have 230 00:13:58,830 --> 00:14:02,370 to go I have to back out of the out of the Now Playing and then 231 00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:05,340 open up the episode, but it still shows the album art up 232 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:09,180 top. And then the Description field is half the screen below. 233 00:14:09,180 --> 00:14:12,090 That's that's not all of them. That's just podcast guru, which 234 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:15,750 I like a lot I've been using a lot. So it's not a great reader. 235 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:17,610 Let's put that I guess that's what I'm saying. It's not a 236 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:20,940 great read. Not all of them are great readers. Even though 237 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,730 technically you're right. You could reverse it and say that's 238 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:27,240 a podcast. I think you're stretching it a bit. 239 00:14:29,549 --> 00:14:32,429 Dave Jones: And Emma Emma stretching it a bit. This is a 240 00:14:32,429 --> 00:14:36,209 filler. It doesn't feel like I am it does. Okay. So this is the 241 00:14:36,239 --> 00:14:41,729 here's this is in the context of, of medium. Yeah, by the way, 242 00:14:41,729 --> 00:14:45,269 we've we've we've gotten into namespace without any 243 00:14:45,659 --> 00:14:49,529 Adam Curry: without any vowels or anything. Yes, I mean, now 244 00:14:49,529 --> 00:14:54,959 it's time for some hot name, space time. Take off your 245 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:55,649 shirts. 246 00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:03,000 Dave Jones: Wiggle your toes and I weighed in. But this is in the 247 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,010 context of medium though so we're already sort of off off 248 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:08,730 the rails have 249 00:15:08,729 --> 00:15:10,739 Adam Curry: the best with music obviously. 250 00:15:11,310 --> 00:15:13,860 Dave Jones: Audiobooks, yeah, so these are these are going to 251 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:18,720 have to these really should be essay should let me I hate that 252 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,400 word. These really probably our best 253 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,540 Adam Curry: likely perhaps, somewhat 254 00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:32,010 Dave Jones: like somewhat conceivably, what conceivably, 255 00:15:32,730 --> 00:15:39,360 your human thesaurus we we were already in the realm of this is 256 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:43,110 likely a different app, you know what I mean? Oh, 257 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:46,500 Adam Curry: like yes, absolutely. And see how 258 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:50,850 everyone's retooling and, and it's in some of the apps it's 259 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:53,550 phenomenal I mean, but these things do take time for 260 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:57,840 everybody to kind of get up to speed and you know, like the 261 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:04,980 idea that you can save a save a song to a playlist I mean, 262 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:10,620 that's only a couple that do that now. I think guru pod verse 263 00:16:10,650 --> 00:16:13,170 fountain I don't know if anyone else does it I'm sure curio 264 00:16:13,170 --> 00:16:17,880 caster probably or maybe not, I don't know. You know, Elon beats 265 00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:21,510 Elon beats so that's the kind of stuff that that we have to start 266 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:24,870 working on before we start adding blogs and newsletters 267 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:27,510 probably I don't know well, 268 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,350 Dave Jones: so the other day this this thing is this is a 269 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:37,770 thing that happened to me cool two weeks ago so my I have a 270 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:43,350 very my podcast consumption varies a lot I don't I don't 271 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:50,280 know how yours is but I'm I'm a typically at a have specific 272 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:53,940 shows that I hit on specific days I do so yes, of course 273 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:55,710 Adam Curry: that's part of that's why you always want to 274 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:58,530 release on the same day more or less the same time one of my 275 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:01,140 golden rules I know that you're 276 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,110 Dave Jones: you're right on top of my head on the media my hate 277 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:07,620 listen 278 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:10,560 Adam Curry: is pivot I'm on Mondays and Fridays I'm always 279 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:11,370 exalted 280 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,250 Dave Jones: Wednesdays just own the media 281 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,390 Adam Curry: well Wednesdays is new media show live which I 282 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:21,570 which of course I'm missing and on the media although on the 283 00:17:21,570 --> 00:17:24,090 media I can look at the title and go nope 284 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:28,260 Dave Jones: I actually do that quite a bit. And 285 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:30,510 Adam Curry: media roundtable is another one that starts popping 286 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:34,410 up I'm like but those I decide based upon who's on it just one 287 00:17:34,410 --> 00:17:39,450 person you know, I might skip those media 288 00:17:39,450 --> 00:17:42,690 Dave Jones: roundtable needs a new pod needs a new intro. 289 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,990 Adam Curry: Oh my god. Awful. And don't isn't that part of 290 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:49,200 what those guys do? Don't they doesn't Oxford road actually do 291 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:55,020 music for commercials and stuff? That's what I thought. bugging 292 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:56,010 me too. Yeah, 293 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,270 Dave Jones: yeah. So anyway, I've got off track. So what 294 00:18:00,270 --> 00:18:03,960 happened to me a couple of weeks ago was that my normal podcast 295 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,040 rotation is typically I don't listen to no agenda until after 296 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,100 this show. So Thursday's no agenda. I listened to us I 297 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:15,180 listened to for starting on Friday night. Right. So you're 298 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:18,900 fresh and because I'm fresh and fresh. I'm going in fresh 299 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,200 because I'm afraid of hearing of being tainted. In hearing you 300 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,230 say something on Thursdays no agenda that will influence our 301 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:33,270 discussion on Friday. Oh, wow. So because you mentioned 302 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:35,340 something about podcasting, I don't want to have preconceived 303 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:42,180 ideas. Right. So then also then on Saturdays, at typically 304 00:18:42,180 --> 00:18:45,810 listen to America this week with Tybee and Walter Kern. Ah, so 305 00:18:45,810 --> 00:18:48,270 that's it, because they were they dropped on Friday as well. 306 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:52,140 So I listened to that on Saturday. Well, I noticed a 307 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:54,840 couple of weeks ago that, that America this week just never 308 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,380 showed up on my podcast app row. Yeah. And I was like, Well, I 309 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:00,390 guess they took the week off or something like that. Well, I get 310 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,630 on. And I'm looking well, they did drop an episode. But I'm 311 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:05,850 like, Okay, is it my app? I mean, on the start looking at 312 00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:09,300 all the apps, it's not in any of the apps. And so then there's a 313 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:12,660 lot of complaining on Twitter. So I'm trying to find out what's 314 00:19:12,660 --> 00:19:14,820 Adela complaining on Twitter. Hey, it's not showing up in my 315 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,790 app. They messed it. Somehow they messed it up in the 316 00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:23,610 enclosure was 404 ng Oh, yeah. And I don't do it. Yeah. So I 317 00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:26,910 was like, Well, okay, how am I gonna listen, but but it was on 318 00:19:26,910 --> 00:19:30,840 substack? Because it's a substack feed. So I had to 319 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,760 download the substack app. 320 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:37,050 Adam Curry: How would you Oh, we're gonna get a review of the 321 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,970 substack app experience. 322 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:43,560 Dave Jones: It's horrible. Yeah. The the so the way that you 323 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,330 listen to it in the app, is it's basically a link to a hidden 324 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:55,110 YouTube video. Oh, no. You have to keep if you turn off the 325 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:59,160 screen, it stopped stops playing Yeah, of course. Yes. So you 326 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:05,490 have to I have to start. Yeah, I see your heart breaking. 327 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,400 Adam Curry: There's a lot of complaining on Twitter BBB BBB. 328 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:11,400 Wait, we need to do that we need to do that properly. And we go, 329 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,270 this is how we do it. 330 00:20:14,940 --> 00:20:17,790 Unknown: This is dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two 331 00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:18,360 parts. 332 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:20,130 Adam Curry: There's complaining on Twitter. 333 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,110 Dave Jones: So, you have to start, you have to start the 334 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:29,760 episode. And then in order in order to keep the screen on, but 335 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,370 not accidentally touch the screen, which will stop the 336 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:37,620 video, you have to flip the your phone around Switch screen 337 00:20:37,620 --> 00:20:40,800 facing away from you and stick it like in your pocket facing 338 00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:45,780 outwards. Because sometimes the skin capacitive touch from your 339 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:47,190 skin will even go through your power. 340 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:49,110 Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. Yes. 341 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,940 Dave Jones: So this is horrible experience. And it will 342 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:58,230 frequently lose your place. It was a nightmare. So I'm 343 00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:05,160 thinking, this is all a very roundabout way to say that. A, I 344 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:11,340 can envision a sub stack podcast as a sub stack style podcast 345 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,510 app, which will do essentially the same thing as the substack, 346 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:22,470 app, aggregate blogs and newsletters into it, but also 347 00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:30,000 provide podcast functionality in a way. That's where they're 348 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,130 where they're married, you know what I mean? It's and it's still 349 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:36,990 a podcast. So in order, so having a podcast means having a 350 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:44,460 medium of newsletter, or medium of blog. Fit to me fits within 351 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:47,910 the ethos, because that's basically what sub stacks app is 352 00:21:47,910 --> 00:21:50,430 doing, except is just doing a very poor job of it. 353 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:54,390 Adam Curry: I've thought about this a lot in the last couple of 354 00:21:54,390 --> 00:22:00,090 weeks, and I come up with a different solution. What needs 355 00:22:00,090 --> 00:22:05,280 to happen is there needs to be a podcast index of blogs with an 356 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,790 API that is open to developers that aggregates blog posts. And 357 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:18,690 now, we actually know how to do that. We've actually put we've 358 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,860 given the full format, the whole plan, the value for value, it's 359 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:28,080 all right there. You can even use some of the code that is 360 00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:33,150 that is public some of the party times and all that stuff. I 361 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:35,340 don't think that's for us. 362 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,660 Dave Jones: I don't think it's for us either, because the 363 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:46,860 number of the number of podcasts is is dwarfed by the number of 364 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:47,760 blogs. Yes, 365 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:51,420 Adam Curry: yeah. And just the number of but but that's what's 366 00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:54,420 missing, because that's why there's no blog search. There's 367 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:58,830 no way to implement subs. I mean, the minute apple. I've 368 00:22:58,830 --> 00:23:00,990 told the story so many times in the past and doing some 369 00:23:00,990 --> 00:23:05,460 interviews. And so I remind myself over and over again, what 370 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:10,620 really changed as we went from copy this RSS link, put it into 371 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:14,430 your subscribe box to Apple who came out with the subscribe on 372 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:18,570 iTunes, one click, boom, it worked on your iPhone or what 373 00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:21,510 worked on your Mac initially. You know, there were 374 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:26,280 workarounds. But the idea that you had a an index where stuff 375 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,250 was indexed, where you could search where you could find 376 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:31,380 stuff where things were categorized, that's what's 377 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:35,130 missing from blogs. And, and I in talking to Tina, who does a 378 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:39,030 marketing professional loves Google Reader. I said, Well, how 379 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:43,710 would you subscribe to blogs? She said, Well, I just searched 380 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:48,270 for topic in Google Reader. You say so people weren't going to 381 00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:51,270 blogs and saying, oh, I need to click on this and subscribe. No, 382 00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:54,270 they were using Google Reader. That's the thing. That's what 383 00:23:54,270 --> 00:23:56,220 needs to happen. It's a big job. 384 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,720 Dave Jones: Google Reader became the index of blog. It truly 385 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,050 Adam Curry: was the index of blogs. Yeah, it wasn't just the 386 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,410 reader part was one. I mean, what again, what's so nice to do 387 00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:11,490 is index the blogs. You know, you can have pod paying would be 388 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:15,330 beautiful and beautiful. I mean, all of this was invented. This 389 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:24,990 was weblogs.com. Weiner had through what is it the what was 390 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:33,780 he had an ex RCP XML RCP I'm gonna RPC XML RPC RPC. That's 391 00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:38,160 how you how you paint how you ping the web. blogs.com. And 392 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,260 then, you know, we had trackbacks I mean, all this 393 00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:45,360 stuff is more events cloud RSS cloud. Exactly. And, you know, 394 00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:48,330 in essence, that's a lot of what the freedom controller was 395 00:24:48,330 --> 00:24:52,860 trying to do was to be a you know, a decentralized version of 396 00:24:52,860 --> 00:25:00,000 that. And, but you know, I So, let's take it back to the name 397 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,690 Space. I am not so sure blog belongs and as a medium type 398 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:17,190 Dave Jones: hard disagree. Hard to I mean like if 399 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:19,620 Adam Curry: it has an enclosure and there's something in the 400 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:24,270 enclosure, then it can be a medium type equals blog. But it 401 00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:25,980 is confusing. Go 402 00:25:25,980 --> 00:25:28,920 Dave Jones: back to the example. Okay, go back to the example of 403 00:25:29,550 --> 00:25:34,860 Matt Davies blog. He really is running a blog. He's he's he has 404 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:39,840 a blog on substack. And so his his blog, if you look at the RSS 405 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,550 feed that's coming off of his sub stack, it's mostly articles, 406 00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:49,410 Text articles with no enclosures. But at least once a 407 00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:58,980 week, sometimes twice a week. There is there will be a posts 408 00:25:59,550 --> 00:26:02,850 indefinitely with America this week, but then all button 409 00:26:02,850 --> 00:26:05,460 sprinkled in throughout the course of the week as his 410 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,800 articles get narrated by human they will drop in audio versions 411 00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:13,890 of a previous article he's done over the from the past couple of 412 00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:16,950 weeks. Okay, so you're getting enclosures on a regular basis. 413 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:19,350 They're just not every single item. Okay? 414 00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:21,870 Adam Curry: I can live with that. If there's an audio 415 00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:27,540 enclosure that is a that's like here's a podcast I listen to 416 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:31,530 regularly. So regularly, I can't remember the name of it. It's 417 00:26:31,530 --> 00:26:36,030 the breakdown. And the breakdown is a couple times it may even be 418 00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:43,620 almost every day. This guy Nathan key does about 15 minutes 419 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:50,280 of macro economics, heavy slant on Bitcoin Battlin but macro 420 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,060 economics. And on Sunday he does the Sunday read and the Sunday 421 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,750 read is where he reads one or two articles written by somebody 422 00:26:57,750 --> 00:27:07,320 else. Totally blog post. So if his feed what is that? So I can 423 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:11,970 I can see where his feed would be typically podcast but then 424 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:15,210 from time to time it would say blog that would be appropriate 425 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:21,690 if it if it included the the audio version of that oh, those 426 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:22,320 articles 427 00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:26,340 Dave Jones: that are that's sort of like a that was that podcast 428 00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:29,010 Bitcoin audible where he just read an article each week. 429 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,410 Adam Curry: Yeah, that I'd yes, that idea. Whatever happened on 430 00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:33,300 shows I still around? I don't 431 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,390 Dave Jones: know. I don't know if Yeah, but yeah, that that 432 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:40,860 makes, to me, it makes sense. If he had if you had a newsletter 433 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:44,190 that was primarily a newsletter, but they had audio. Yeah, or 434 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,950 video content that was just audio versions or video versions 435 00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:49,050 of the newsletter that seems like it would fit as well. 436 00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:53,400 Adam Curry: Okay, I think we can, can say that these are 437 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,800 staying in and we can move on the 438 00:27:57,030 --> 00:27:58,830 Dave Jones: second, Dan, so 439 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:02,880 Adam Curry: moved, because I want to briefly discuss there's 440 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,780 some actually, let's talk about this first. We are so legit now 441 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,190 with the 442 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:13,230 Dave Jones: like the way this is starting 443 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:20,190 Adam Curry: so legit. Dutch broadcaster chiaro which I think 444 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,580 is you know, the Dutch broadcast spectrum. You know, all the 445 00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:27,180 transmitters are shared by these organizations. And the 446 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:31,410 organization's historically are around politics and religion. So 447 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:34,710 this the Catholic radio organization, of course, they do 448 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:37,800 television and you know, the internet but that's historically 449 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:41,040 that's where that so the KR ro that's where they came from. 450 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:49,350 They did a huge scan of Dutch podcasts. And, you know, to find 451 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:52,680 out how many there were what's being discussed in and they even 452 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,250 say they used a supercomputer to do this. 453 00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:58,740 Dave Jones: Is that recklessly required? 454 00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:00,930 Adam Curry: Well, they said they said they use it, 455 00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:03,210 Dave Jones: and they're using $5 monthly. 456 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:07,320 Adam Curry: That Well, here's what they did. They said the pot 457 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,290 I'm going to this is translated the podcast actually came from 458 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:14,010 the podcast index database. This organization is committed to a 459 00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:17,430 more transparent podcast ecosystem and archives as many 460 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:21,090 new podcasts worldwide as possible. Currently about 4.3 461 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:24,270 million podcasts. PII specifically gathers the RSS 462 00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,390 feeds the format in which podcasts are stored online. In 463 00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:30,330 the PII database, you'll find the name description and address 464 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:33,810 of the RSS feed. And I just thought I just I was just 465 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:36,240 tickled by that that were legit. 466 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:39,030 Dave Jones: But when did they know that you're involved with 467 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:44,250 it? No, no, of course not. Because I mean, like, that's, 468 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:46,890 that's good that it came independent. There wasn't like 469 00:29:46,890 --> 00:29:47,940 an Adam curry. No, 470 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:50,250 Adam Curry: no, not at all. Of course, people are sending it to 471 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,860 me like Yo, dude, look at it. You legit man you legit. 472 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,780 Dave Jones: You got mentioned 473 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,970 Adam Curry: briefly on the podcast industrial complex, the 474 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,050 singularly unhelpful phrase that I love propagating. Yes. 475 00:30:06,509 --> 00:30:10,289 Dave Jones: Correct. Correct. And we say more than, say many 476 00:30:10,289 --> 00:30:15,689 unhelpful things, not just that. We do. How do you at least have 477 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:17,579 the board meeting as unhelpful? Yes, correct. 478 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,220 Adam Curry: These iOS 17 changes have really screwed things up. I 479 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:28,020 mean, I learned, I learned so much just by listening to a 480 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:31,470 number of podcasts, but including some of the interviews 481 00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:36,540 with the Podcast, the podcast weekly review. It when I hear 482 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:39,060 people talking about Well, the way we track is, you know, now 483 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:43,710 we have a funnel of what? A funnel? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's the 484 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:48,600 it's the top line funnel to see, you know, what the actual, you 485 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,030 know, pixel based attribution, like. So some people have lost 486 00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:58,440 up to half of their numbers. Companies have had to do make 487 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:04,140 good some in the millions of dollars. The the Oh, the, the 488 00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:11,100 trust, the Trust has gone, I think, from from from the whole 489 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,670 system, it's like, oh, one change in Apple, it turns out, 490 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:20,910 you know, 30% of your numbers are bogus. And I was even more 491 00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:25,470 shocked to learn that the metrics that are now going on is 492 00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:34,200 a success is now seen as 0.5% of people who heard an ad are going 493 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:40,050 to the website that is pitched in the ad. That's pretty and the 494 00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:44,280 conversion to someone purchasing something is 0.3. 495 00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:49,920 Dave Jones: And crap, and that's worse than that's worse than the 496 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,320 typical open rate on a me mail newsletter. 497 00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:57,210 Adam Curry: Oh, I mean, dude. I mean, no agenda gets, like 30% 498 00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:01,740 open rate, which is, is unbelievable, unbelievably high. 499 00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,170 So I'm just sitting there going, like, oh, my gosh, then I just 500 00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:10,920 hear people talking gobbly gook. And they're just trying to come 501 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:17,070 up with ways to justify the the advertising. And yeah, I think 502 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:20,850 there's many ways you can justify advertising on on 503 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:24,900 podcast, but the numbers that I'm trying to keep within some 504 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:31,050 digital marketing metric system is not working anymore. It's 505 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,090 just seems like it's failed. 506 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,320 Dave Jones: I don't understand I will claim some level of 507 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:44,910 ignorance on on this with the Apple thing, because I thought 508 00:32:44,910 --> 00:32:52,590 that my understanding of the, of the changes in iOS, was that if 509 00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:58,350 you had a show, with lots with a huge back catalogue, that that 510 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:02,130 was where the biggest issue was, that what they changed, was it 511 00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:05,610 it would not read, it would not download a bunch of old 512 00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:08,730 episodes, if you started listening to a new episode. 513 00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:14,190 Yeah, which was, but but then the NPR guy that James 514 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:21,450 interviewed, said that the daily shows only got hit by like 10% 515 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,350 decline in downloads, but that there are other shows where 516 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:26,700 like, 30%. Okay, 517 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:31,320 Adam Curry: so here's how I understand it. So if you and I 518 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,010 think it hits, regular shows, you know, like shows that are 519 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:39,330 daily or possibly once a week, or let's let's take Joe Rogan as 520 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:44,640 an example. So you would you subscribe to Joe Rogan? And you 521 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,600 look at, you know, the guests like now, no, no. And then three 522 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,810 days later, oh, yeah, this guy, I want to listen to that. You 523 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:55,350 click on and then the app would download those, those previous 524 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:58,950 episodes that you would skipped over. That's how I understand 525 00:33:58,950 --> 00:34:02,370 it. That may be unhelpful, but that's how I understand it. So 526 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:06,420 that has now stopped. So it's not doing that anymore. And I 527 00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:08,910 think you're right, that's my understand, and The Daily Show, 528 00:34:08,970 --> 00:34:11,790 I truly believe as a product. And I'm even seeing some 529 00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:16,710 articles about the daily show being the the truth, Savior of 530 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:19,500 the New York Times, although I think their puzzles are what 531 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,710 saves the New York Times. That's where all a lot of that money's 532 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:28,170 coming from is that people are interested and they they 533 00:34:28,170 --> 00:34:31,920 listened to The Daily Show every single day. So maybe someone 534 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,550 skipped a day and then that one wouldn't get downloaded. And now 535 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:38,160 it doesn't get downloaded when you listen the next day. I think 536 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,370 that that's such a great product that people listen every single 537 00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:41,790 day. 538 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,969 Dave Jones: Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, that makes more 539 00:34:44,969 --> 00:34:49,499 sense. To me. It's like with like with POD News Daily or its 540 00:34:49,499 --> 00:34:52,979 associates a short show. So you're probably just going to 541 00:34:52,979 --> 00:34:55,469 run through it real quick. I mean, you're not going to skip 542 00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:59,489 it very many times. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I 543 00:34:59,489 --> 00:35:06,419 mean, it It's, it's amazing to me that it's amazing to me all 544 00:35:06,419 --> 00:35:09,449 the different spins that are going on across the podcast 545 00:35:09,449 --> 00:35:12,989 industrial complex to try to, to try to, you've got, you know, 546 00:35:12,989 --> 00:35:16,019 the marketing people or the excuse me, the advertising based 547 00:35:16,229 --> 00:35:19,019 podcast hosts like a cast that are saying we got, you know, 548 00:35:19,409 --> 00:35:23,639 this is the this is it's bad, but it's not that bad. It's just 549 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,669 a one time hit. We're good. The trend to spin that and then 550 00:35:26,669 --> 00:35:29,909 you've got the other people on the digital advertising side 551 00:35:29,909 --> 00:35:32,279 like the sounds profitably people saying no, this is great. 552 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:33,029 Yeah. 553 00:35:33,660 --> 00:35:36,510 Adam Curry: And if and if I'm, if I believe what I heard on the 554 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:39,510 last, from the last interview from this, I forget who the 555 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:43,950 woman's name was, who they their business is to do attribution 556 00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:50,880 and numbers is that host read ads to the best. That's just 557 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,490 what we're so. So the whole programmatic thing which is 558 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:58,740 driven, which is a race to the bottom of CPMs. It just seems 559 00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:02,940 like a huge, it seems antithetical to what podcasting 560 00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:05,850 can deliver. And if you listen to Rogan, I still don't hear any 561 00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:10,410 ads on the open RSS. I don't know why. But what if you listen 562 00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:13,650 to the Spotify ads, it's Hey, everybody, I love this product. 563 00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:15,780 And as Joe doing 10 of those in a row, 564 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:18,179 Dave Jones: which is we're all like pre rolls. 565 00:36:19,739 --> 00:36:22,829 Adam Curry: No, not on Spotify. No, they they chop in every 566 00:36:22,859 --> 00:36:28,589 every 10 minutes. Used to be pre rolls on his back in the day, he 567 00:36:28,589 --> 00:36:32,339 would do eight minutes of pre rolls, which is not called a pre 568 00:36:32,339 --> 00:36:39,839 roll. It's called segment one. Oh, okay. I guess Cluster One, 569 00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:40,889 whatever. 570 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,070 Dave Jones: So, you know, my my thinking with with Rogan is that 571 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,580 it is that Spotify saw this. They saw this much earlier than 572 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:57,540 everybody else did, because they had the first party stats, 573 00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:01,860 combined as an instance. And when they owned once they you 574 00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:05,370 can sort of go back and say okay, what they did they did 575 00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:09,960 these acquisitions of pod track. In these sites. Third party 576 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,590 trackers, 577 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:13,710 Adam Curry: do they bipod track? Yeah. 578 00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:15,720 Dave Jones: There's a pod tracker pod. 579 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:17,399 Adam Curry: I think they 580 00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:21,390 Dave Jones: know which, which third party prefix tracker did 581 00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:23,700 they buy? They bought two of them. They bought two of them. I 582 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,090 thought it was pod track. Oh, Nathan says pod size. There you 583 00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:29,610 go. In short, concise and charged. Right. Okay. All right. 584 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,460 So they bought pods? Thank you, Nathan, they bought pod size and 585 00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:38,610 chargeable. And I think that they. So at that point, they had 586 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:48,510 a, they had a they had a view into RS open RSS downloads. And 587 00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:53,700 then first party downloads on shows that were on both. So they 588 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:59,130 could look and see. Okay, first for show x. This is how it 589 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:04,980 performs in open RSS. And this is how it performs in Spotify. 590 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:11,400 And you can you can make some determinations there. About what 591 00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:14,460 about what the weather the level of performance, you can do it 592 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:18,150 you could almost do a sanity check one to the other. If you 593 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:24,360 look and say okay, well, this show. Yeah, megaphone this right 594 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,650 this show get? It's like, I think what I'm trying to say is 595 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:32,160 that they could look at the they could look at edit podcasting, 596 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,660 and they could see that the numbers in the open RSS were 597 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:42,390 were inflated. Yeah, but their own numbers also, were not very 598 00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:42,720 good. 599 00:38:42,749 --> 00:38:45,869 Adam Curry: No, no, because they were only getting 30% of the 600 00:38:45,869 --> 00:38:49,289 potential market. Except for Rogen maybe isn't the 601 00:38:49,289 --> 00:38:52,109 Dave Jones: only way, the only way they could think. I think I 602 00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:55,409 think the way they knew to move forward when everything crashed, 603 00:38:55,979 --> 00:38:59,159 is to combine those two things and say, Okay, we're going to, 604 00:38:59,849 --> 00:39:05,309 we're going to keep things on Spotify as sort of like, where 605 00:39:05,309 --> 00:39:09,869 we want people to be. But then we also need to expand our so we 606 00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:12,749 need to get both sets of numbers as big, we've got to go 607 00:39:12,749 --> 00:39:16,139 everywhere to get the numbers as big as we can. But I think that 608 00:39:16,139 --> 00:39:21,959 they saw early on that these numbers in the RSS feeds were 609 00:39:21,959 --> 00:39:24,869 probably not as great as everybody thought they were. No 610 00:39:24,899 --> 00:39:29,279 and that's why the that's why they cut loose a bunch of people 611 00:39:29,429 --> 00:39:31,319 because they knew they were going to have they're just gonna 612 00:39:31,319 --> 00:39:37,799 have to basically drop all the exclusives and go back as widely 613 00:39:37,799 --> 00:39:41,729 as they can with RSS. And then just make the industry make the 614 00:39:41,729 --> 00:39:45,419 deals with no guarantees at all because like we can't sustain 615 00:39:45,419 --> 00:39:47,219 this obviously the numbers aren't there, but 616 00:39:47,249 --> 00:39:53,249 Adam Curry: there's guarantees and you know, Joseph a buddy you 617 00:39:53,249 --> 00:39:55,499 know, we haven't had dinner each other's we had dinner but not 618 00:39:55,499 --> 00:39:57,869 each other's house so that doesn't qualify as a friend. 619 00:39:57,869 --> 00:40:03,479 According to the Jhansi Dvorak metric I'm pretty sure that he 620 00:40:03,479 --> 00:40:08,459 has a guarantee. And there's a potential, the potential. And 621 00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:11,129 that guarantee maybe just for the video, I don't even know 622 00:40:11,129 --> 00:40:14,459 that yet. We haven't seen anything else happen. But the 623 00:40:14,459 --> 00:40:19,049 fact that he's not on megaphone tells me that there's just no 624 00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,899 that there's no ads in the open RSS tells me that there's an 625 00:40:21,929 --> 00:40:28,769 open ability to sell advertising outside of what has been 626 00:40:28,769 --> 00:40:34,259 happening on Spotify. I think that's the exclusive just didn't 627 00:40:34,259 --> 00:40:38,549 work for a whole bunch of reasons. But the main was, was 628 00:40:38,549 --> 00:40:41,459 just no distribution that just don't have the distribution to 629 00:40:41,459 --> 00:40:46,829 justify any of the prices, etc. And I don't think Joe cares, I 630 00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:49,529 think he I don't even think he's gonna go and try and sell extra 631 00:40:49,529 --> 00:40:54,839 ads. He may cut a separate deal with YouTube. And I don't have 632 00:40:54,839 --> 00:41:01,709 no inside information on this. But it's just not in fact, he 633 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:04,739 said he wants to do another show with me. So when we're I'm going 634 00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:08,519 to say Dude, can we do value for value for your show? I'm going 635 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,689 to pitch it to him. Because I think I think he would get a 636 00:41:12,689 --> 00:41:16,499 kick out of it. Yeah, just for the fun of it just for the fun 637 00:41:16,499 --> 00:41:19,139 of it, not for them not for the money but just for the fun of 638 00:41:19,139 --> 00:41:24,209 it. And we'd have to hook them up with somebody with some big 639 00:41:24,209 --> 00:41:25,799 channels though. I'm pretty sure 640 00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:30,510 Dave Jones: any big channels, but anyway, 641 00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:33,750 Adam Curry: so I don't want to be danced on anybody's grave 642 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:36,960 here but RSS just keeps winning. Well, 643 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,520 Dave Jones: I just think that it shows that I don't think Spotify 644 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,270 um hope okay, I'm hoping this is what I hope that that's the 645 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:55,140 example of Spotify over the from 2019 until today will keep 646 00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:58,410 people from trying this in the future. Oh 647 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:02,460 Adam Curry: yeah. Oh, I think this this this fiasco, this 648 00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:06,480 canard this billion dollar canard who canard? I like that. 649 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:09,630 Yes. I'm gonna write down billion dollar canard, which is 650 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:10,710 a duck, by the way. 651 00:42:11,399 --> 00:42:12,329 Dave Jones: Oh, is it? Yeah. 652 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,920 Adam Curry: Yeah. It's French for duck. It's malarkey. This 653 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,500 malarkey will go down in the business books as as a huge 654 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:29,100 mistake and not to be repeated. And it goes right up there with 655 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,280 Terry Semel, coming into Yahoo thinking he could turn that into 656 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,750 an entertainment company. You know, it was it was a great 657 00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:40,230 thing to do when the money was free. That's what it was great 658 00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:44,130 for, and the money is no longer free. And, you know, I think 659 00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:46,200 there's there's definitely a place for advertising and 660 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,580 podcasting. I truly have always believed in the, what is 661 00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:53,850 categorized as host read ads, but I think that you can 662 00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:57,330 certainly, I mean, it's not something I want to live by. 663 00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:02,460 Because, you know, we saw it with the, with the the was the 664 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:06,960 tech show, the Marco tech show, accidental tech, accidental 665 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,860 tech, where you lose your big sponsor, everyone goes hungry 666 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:16,200 and starts freaking out. You know. And as a man, I just want 667 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,590 to hear people only talking about their clients. And you 668 00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:22,200 know, oh, my client this Yeah, my clients have been with me for 669 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,170 10 years, they'll keep advertising. Who is your client? 670 00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:29,520 I mean, aren't you doing this for your audience? Well, 671 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,969 Dave Jones: I mean, hey, look, look at look at Jupiter 672 00:43:32,969 --> 00:43:36,119 broadcasting what they're doing. I mean, he they are, they are 673 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,989 living the Wii for Wii. Yeah. Big Sauron. Yeah, I mean, like 674 00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:43,979 they are made, trying to make that work as hard as they can. 675 00:43:43,979 --> 00:43:47,399 They're trying to flip the switch and transition. I mean, 676 00:43:47,399 --> 00:43:51,059 like, I've got so much respect for those guys trying. They put 677 00:43:51,059 --> 00:43:53,519 their money where their mouth is literally shirt. That's your 678 00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,409 dough. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I just think like, I guess the last 679 00:43:58,409 --> 00:44:01,019 thing I'll say about Spotify in the in the Rogen thing is I just 680 00:44:01,019 --> 00:44:06,059 don't think that they I think that Spotify, I would not be 681 00:44:06,059 --> 00:44:12,569 surprised if Rogan is a significant part of Spotify, not 682 00:44:12,569 --> 00:44:18,539 just their podcasting strategy, but Spotify as a company if they 683 00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:22,589 lost him and I'm not so sure what the future looks like for 684 00:44:22,589 --> 00:44:24,329 Spotify as an entire company 685 00:44:24,989 --> 00:44:27,689 Adam Curry: by the same as it's ever been losing money because 686 00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:31,709 the publishers and record companies screw him on the on 687 00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,929 the right this there's no way for them to make money. It's 688 00:44:33,929 --> 00:44:38,759 never been a winning formula, because they do not control the 689 00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:42,749 content. And they tried to control the content, overspent 690 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,269 over over promised and thought that they could create hits you 691 00:44:48,269 --> 00:44:52,709 can't create hits and you can't monetize the network. You can't 692 00:44:52,709 --> 00:44:58,019 create hits in an RSS environment. It's it's value for 693 00:44:58,019 --> 00:45:02,159 value that it's it's it's just foolish to think that unless you 694 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:05,669 control the distribution, and no one else can get into your 695 00:45:05,669 --> 00:45:09,299 distribution stream that the you can be number one in anything. 696 00:45:09,299 --> 00:45:15,539 We're number one in podcasting 2.0 podcasts. Yes, yes. Right. 697 00:45:15,539 --> 00:45:18,719 We're number one in our little category over here and the 698 00:45:18,749 --> 00:45:22,649 audience, who are most of who are in the boardroom right now. 699 00:45:23,129 --> 00:45:26,939 They support us. And that's why it keeps going on now. Is there 700 00:45:27,269 --> 00:45:31,289 a project attached to it? Yeah, that's all a part of it. But the 701 00:45:31,289 --> 00:45:36,569 same goes for an author, or for a journalist. It's all part of 702 00:45:36,569 --> 00:45:41,309 the same thing. You can be the winner of your community. And 703 00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:43,979 you can spell community without unity people. 704 00:45:44,250 --> 00:45:48,510 Dave Jones: No. You know what? I like this. You mentioned 705 00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:54,150 something a while back. You mentioned some A while back, you 706 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:58,650 said watch the use of what's coming out of this has been like 707 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,740 six weeks ago. He said, Watch what's coming next is 708 00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:04,470 predictable. Based on the previous cycle. It'd be branded 709 00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:08,760 podcasts. And I just saw a thing this morning about how branded 710 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,920 podcasts are making a comeback. Yeah. And and also they like on 711 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,830 the economic cycle, come back train. Oh, we're seeing we're 712 00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:25,110 seeing this, this little gem, come back the EBIT, da EBIT, da 713 00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:28,650 positive. I love this. Everybody's doing this now, 714 00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:31,530 where everybody's EBIT da positive. It's like if 715 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,080 Adam Curry: we just explained because I think it gets it's 716 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,360 just it's glossed over. It's an acronym EBIT, da, which means 717 00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:46,680 earnings before interest, which means interest you have to pay 718 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,350 on any outstanding loans. Taxes, hmm, G. There's one, 719 00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:58,230 depreciation, and amortization, which is every everything, it's 720 00:46:58,230 --> 00:47:03,090 everything except your employees and your cost of goods. Yeah, 721 00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:06,330 Dave Jones: it's basically, here's my assets and liabilities 722 00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:08,670 sheet. But what if all the liabilities were 723 00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:11,580 Adam Curry: gone? It's like inflation is only one point, 724 00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:16,440 core inflation is only 1.5%. What is core inflation? Well, it 725 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,670 takes out the cost of energy and food. Oh, okay. 726 00:47:21,269 --> 00:47:23,159 Unknown: Which is everything? Which 727 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,149 Adam Curry: is, most people need those two things. So it's 728 00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,730 Dave Jones: like those people that train Have you seen these 729 00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:32,130 neighborhoods where you'll have one dude that paints his 730 00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:36,570 driveway green? No, in like, it'll be like, they'll paint 731 00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:40,410 their driveway green to try to somehow match the grass. No, I 732 00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:45,090 have, like some sort of illusion, where maybe this is 733 00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:49,020 just a redneck thing here in this. But it's like, are you 734 00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:52,110 trying to trick us? What is what exactly are you trying to do 735 00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:54,480 here? Are you trying to make us think that you don't have a 736 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,930 driveway? That is just like your grass? Because I can see your 737 00:47:57,930 --> 00:48:01,200 driveway and it just looks super weird because it's green? And 738 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,930 like, I mean, it's that kind of thing. It's like, what exactly 739 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:07,950 are you trying to do here? Because you're saying that we 740 00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,700 were profitable. But then you also say in the next sentence, 741 00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:15,780 we had, you know, a $10 million loss. Yeah, 742 00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:21,180 Adam Curry: exactly. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. So switching 743 00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:28,110 gears for a moment. dovie Das. getting on my nerves, Dobie das 744 00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:31,980 about making new things by making cool crap every single 745 00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:36,030 day. Have you seen the RSS music charts? He just released? 746 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:38,520 Dave Jones: A just released it. I have not seen it. Let me pull 747 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,390 it up RSS 748 00:48:39,390 --> 00:48:44,760 Adam Curry: blue.com/top. So somehow, and I've asked him, let 749 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,100 me see if he answered my question. He has darling. Oh, 750 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,370 wait, yes, he has Hold on a second. He has. So RSS 751 00:48:53,370 --> 00:49:03,960 blue.com/top. So he queries the index crawls feeds to produce 752 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,790 stats. He says I get lots of ugly I have lots of ugly SQL 753 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:15,570 queries, and spaghetti code. And so the deck darlings, which I 754 00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,930 like as a term, I'm not quite sure where it comes from. So 755 00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:24,270 these are most widely played by value for value DJs in the last 756 00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:30,000 60 days, you click on it. And boom. There's a list of every 757 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,850 single show that has played the song which is of course 758 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:44,130 clickable by let me see by episode and by by show. You can 759 00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:47,490 play the song right there, obviously, then you have paid a 760 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:51,930 picks. I'm liking the alliteration brother. greatest 761 00:49:51,930 --> 00:49:57,780 number of listener payments in the last seven days. Which is 762 00:49:57,780 --> 00:50:01,710 just I mean, and again, it shows No, that doesn't click on that. 763 00:50:01,710 --> 00:50:07,500 You can just play it. And then Pathfinders which is the ranking 764 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:12,930 of podcasts based on first time plays of tracks. In the deck 765 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:17,940 darlings. Yes. And so whoever played it first, and the amount 766 00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:21,780 of payday picks. Now I like this chart the most because I'm 767 00:50:21,780 --> 00:50:27,330 number one. So that's a great chart. But then, within a show, 768 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,830 I mean, I would like to replace our own chart with this. This is 769 00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,720 this is so good. 770 00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:36,509 Dave Jones: Yeah, we don't I mean, we suck compared to this. 771 00:50:36,869 --> 00:50:41,249 Please. Much better. Oh, goodness. Thank you. Thank you. 772 00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:41,489 Oh, 773 00:50:41,489 --> 00:50:44,039 Adam Curry: I love you, brother. You know that but I don't have 774 00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,469 to. I'm not telling you something new here. This this 775 00:50:46,469 --> 00:50:47,039 kicks our 776 00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:51,180 Dave Jones: ass. Oh, it Oh, but yeah, not even question. I mean, 777 00:50:51,210 --> 00:50:51,990 I absolutely 778 00:50:52,139 --> 00:50:55,919 Adam Curry: I would do you mind if I just shut all top podcast 779 00:50:55,919 --> 00:50:59,159 index dot top over to this. I 780 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,610 Dave Jones: don't mind that at all. Now. Now a wouldn't need to 781 00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:04,410 know information here. Nobody does. 782 00:51:05,969 --> 00:51:08,489 Adam Curry: And I've checked it. I'm like, man, like he's missing 783 00:51:08,489 --> 00:51:10,619 something. It's got to be something that he's not. He even 784 00:51:10,619 --> 00:51:14,999 picked up a curry in the keeper playing a track which we bet 785 00:51:14,999 --> 00:51:20,099 rarely do. So he's crawling the index. Jimmy V. 786 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,059 Dave Jones: Radio V with Jimmy V. No, no. 787 00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:27,330 Adam Curry: We're not. We're not it's no wonder if you go to deck 788 00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:34,590 darlings. And let's see if you go to let me see. For number 22 789 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:37,800 For those without a prayer, Jimmy V. Because he has a 790 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,630 tracker in the keeper January 31. That impressed me that 791 00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:43,530 impressed me. 792 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,800 Dave Jones: Okay, I don't understand. He says he's 793 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:47,940 crawling the index 794 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:53,160 Adam Curry: looking for looking for value time splits. I mean, 795 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:57,510 we could probably help them by just giving him an API to hit 796 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:59,940 that with or something like that. 797 00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:02,400 Dave Jones: It's a bunch of this information is already in 798 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,410 podcast says podcast index dot top is an HTML HTML chart. But 799 00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:15,570 it's also it's also got other formats. It's got a JSON format 800 00:52:15,570 --> 00:52:16,110 and 801 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,610 Adam Curry: he may he may be picking stuff up from there. I 802 00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:23,400 don't know. That's that's absolutely possible. 803 00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:25,110 Dave Jones: I need information 804 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,300 Adam Curry: when you didn't provide me an info when needed. 805 00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:34,950 But but it looks pretty again, Dave I Love You know, I know you 806 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:37,770 don't I know you don't have a problem with my with my fawning 807 00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:42,900 over this because No, it's just so good. This and it's 808 00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:46,080 discovery. That's what I love about it. You know, you go to 809 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,150 the the deck darlings and you click on Abby Muir. And boom, 810 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:55,110 there's a whole bunch of shows I can start to follow. This is 811 00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:56,550 great. Yes, 812 00:52:57,150 --> 00:53:00,660 Dave Jones: I agree. I mind redirect podcast index dot top 813 00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,140 to this. 814 00:53:01,169 --> 00:53:05,189 Adam Curry: It's mind boggling. mind bogglingly good. I'm so 815 00:53:05,189 --> 00:53:09,089 happy he's doing this. Stop doing good things. Stop. 816 00:53:10,830 --> 00:53:12,030 Dave Jones: You're enough too much of our time. 817 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,830 Adam Curry: Which kind of leads me into the V four v license for 818 00:53:19,830 --> 00:53:23,010 remote items and such and such. 819 00:53:24,389 --> 00:53:28,139 Dave Jones: What's your problem? That's the license stuff is 820 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:29,549 hurts my brain. 821 00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:31,950 Adam Curry: I'm gonna make it real simple. I'm gonna give my 822 00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:34,470 opinion when you have to say anything if you don't want to. 823 00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:42,630 Okay. And I think my my opinion has had some impact. I'm just 824 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:47,520 one GitHub conversations or discussions get really long. I 825 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,780 also check out I'm like, I can't help it anymore. And you know, 826 00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:54,360 when people are posting like sam se like, oh, wait, we're 827 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,870 implementing the license. Like what? Okay. I didn't know is 828 00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:01,110 done yet. Yeah, that stuff. Then I'm checking out and I'm like, 829 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,680 Okay, I've had many offline conversations. I've had some 830 00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:09,540 multi hour conversations with the Costello's who are lovingly 831 00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:13,320 shepherding this whole project, remember, they have phantom 832 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,950 power music.io They have a company now and they're, they 833 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:22,590 want to help artists onboard into the ecosystem. And you 834 00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:25,620 know, they're charging, you know, $5 which basically goes to 835 00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:30,960 our hosting a month and and I think 5% of of SAT so what a 836 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,990 great deal for an artist if you're new and you want someone 837 00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:36,720 to shepherd you through this, and they're also doing promo. 838 00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:40,170 They know all the all the players. So they're saying, Hey, 839 00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:45,270 look at this. This is a new song, which is helpful. The main 840 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:48,660 thing I want is, and I'm only focused on one part, I'm only 841 00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:54,180 focused on remote items. I think it's valid, that we have a code 842 00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:59,700 that's why licenses exist. If I'm going to use someone else's 843 00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:03,810 pot Cast material and I say podcast material specifically, 844 00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:09,450 because it's just an mp3 enclosed in an RSS feed. It's a 845 00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:14,220 podcast. If I'm going to use someone's podcast as a remote 846 00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:18,480 item in my podcast, I think it's very fair. They have some 847 00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:23,340 agreement, they they want me to, you know, virtual handshake like 848 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:29,040 an EULA. It's like, Hey, if you put this into your feed, here's 849 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,200 the parameters. And one of those parameters, which I also feel is 850 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:40,560 fair, is we I would like a minimum of split. And what I've 851 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,700 said is, it should just be across the board minimum 50, 852 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:48,390 because it's equal 5050. I don't know if that's going to happen 853 00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:51,660 or not. I hope I don't have to go looking every single time to 854 00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:55,470 see what it is. But I have no problem with that. I think it's 855 00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:59,730 good. I think it should be, I wouldn't mind how I will put 856 00:55:59,730 --> 00:56:03,180 that I will use that license for my podcast, if it's, you know, 857 00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:07,230 if someone wants to use a piece of my podcast in their podcast, 858 00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:14,010 and my minimum will be zero. You can do whatever you want. But I 859 00:56:14,010 --> 00:56:17,700 should, I should have some say in some ownership over it. 860 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:24,300 Because it was started as a music license. We devolved 861 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:29,670 somewhat into a conversation about a maximum that can be 862 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,560 charged by an app. And I think that needs to be struck and 863 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,590 taken out right away. We've got to stop with that nonsense. 864 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,320 Dave Jones: This is the problem that immediately the problem I 865 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,360 had, that's just not that's not that it is not. It is 866 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,380 antithetical to what podcasting it at its core is. 867 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,470 Adam Curry: And the argument, which is incorrect, is, well, we 868 00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:55,530 don't want this to be out there. And some movie company can come 869 00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:58,440 along and take my music and put it in their movie, hey, you have 870 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,730 a copyright. Regardless, if no one signed an agreement with 871 00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:06,840 you, you can sue the movie company out of existence. So you 872 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,050 don't have to worry about that kind of stuff. But when we start 873 00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:14,610 thinking, like Spotify, and Apple and Amazon music, when we 874 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:18,000 start thinking that way, we'll never get to the end. 875 00:57:19,290 --> 00:57:23,490 Dave Jones: I want to I'm sorry to use this term. I don't want 876 00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:30,780 to, but I'm not sure exactly how to else to say it. That gets my 877 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:37,530 feeling across. But when you start shitting on apps, like 878 00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:41,220 that's, that's what things that's where we've always been 879 00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:45,240 within podcasting. App developers always get the short 880 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,730 end of the stick, and they always get treated, they get 881 00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:53,580 treated poorly, as if they're just tools in for other people 882 00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:59,070 to make money. And I don't, I'm not, I don't think that anybody 883 00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:01,620 here is thinking that way. That's not what I'm implying. 884 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,240 I'm just I'm just saying that. That's the that's traditionally 885 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,110 always been the problem in podcasting, is that podcast, app 886 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:15,090 developers really get left out of everything, and they just get 887 00:58:15,090 --> 00:58:19,740 treated like, we know, like middlemen, you know, hey, do 888 00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:25,110 this, do that do this. And, and it's really been the, it's 889 00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:29,010 really been podcasting. 2.0 putting feet and putting the 890 00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:35,760 putting the respect back on apps that they deserve as the as 891 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,530 literally the critical piece of the chain of getting content to 892 00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:44,550 somebody's ears. Without them there. Without radios, there are 893 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:50,340 no radio, there are no radio stations. And yes, that's what 894 00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:54,720 happens here. So we have to treat the apps. With respect, if 895 00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:59,520 this is a self policing issue, if some app goes off the rails 896 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:07,110 and starts and starts charging 50% Number one, that everybody's 897 00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:11,340 gonna know immediately. There's a lot of transparency and all of 898 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:15,060 this, everybody's gonna see it, it's gonna become a discussion 899 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:20,340 topic. And podcasters themselves, will then begin to 900 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:25,290 express what they feel about that and how that's happening. 901 00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:29,880 And like, hey, I want you to use a different app. This this app 902 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,170 is making. Well, 903 00:59:31,169 --> 00:59:33,899 Adam Curry: we I even saw part of the discussion go into well, 904 00:59:33,899 --> 00:59:37,619 can we use the block tag so that an app that is charging too much 905 00:59:37,619 --> 00:59:41,369 then can be blocked from using it and like, Whoa, we're in the 906 00:59:41,369 --> 00:59:48,449 weeds people were way off base, we're way off base. And, you 907 00:59:48,449 --> 00:59:51,179 know, I stopped doing the daily source code because I was 908 00:59:51,179 --> 00:59:54,209 playing licensed music and I know that I'm not going to go to 909 00:59:54,209 --> 00:59:57,569 jail. But I know that a record label can come along and say 910 00:59:57,569 --> 00:59:59,999 take that whole thing down. Which would mean I either have 911 00:59:59,999 --> 01:00:04,559 have to edit it out. Or take the whole episode down. And as also 912 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,899 was not fair because I wasn't paying anything. So there was 913 01:00:06,899 --> 01:00:10,229 no, there was no actual mechanism for me to pay for the 914 01:00:10,229 --> 01:00:17,039 content that I was using no agenda. You know, we have end of 915 01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:22,739 show mixes, which our end of show for a reason. One, they are 916 01:00:22,739 --> 01:00:28,469 always in context of the news and the show and mockery, satire 917 01:00:28,589 --> 01:00:34,049 and education. So when they are cover versions, there is a fair 918 01:00:34,049 --> 01:00:39,479 use clause that we believe we can defend. If not, I can chop 919 01:00:39,479 --> 01:00:43,799 off the end of the show, I don't have to kill the whole show. But 920 01:00:43,799 --> 01:00:50,099 even clips inside, if we're not commenting or doing something 921 01:00:50,099 --> 01:00:53,339 for those clips, a news organization could come along 922 01:00:53,339 --> 01:00:55,919 and say, Hey, you're basically just using our stuff to make 923 01:00:55,919 --> 01:01:01,439 money. So so the fair fair use is something that is poorly 924 01:01:01,439 --> 01:01:04,889 defined in all law, but it's clearly defined but poorly 925 01:01:04,889 --> 01:01:07,619 understood, maybe that's a better way to put it. But now 926 01:01:07,649 --> 01:01:14,249 we're, we just have to let go of the idea that one day when I'm 927 01:01:14,249 --> 01:01:17,399 famous, I want everyone else to go pound sand, because that's 928 01:01:17,399 --> 01:01:21,779 really what's being said here. That's really what's being said 929 01:01:21,809 --> 01:01:25,949 is, if I get bought by a big label, and they buy my catalog, 930 01:01:25,979 --> 01:01:30,179 and it's the same for Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan got he was his 931 01:01:30,179 --> 01:01:34,169 catalogue was licensed by Spotify, he had to, he was 932 01:01:34,169 --> 01:01:37,169 allowed to keep 100 episodes and do whatever he wanted to do with 933 01:01:37,169 --> 01:01:40,829 them, which granted, were a few that Spotify didn't want anyway. 934 01:01:41,369 --> 01:01:44,699 And then when that deal ended, he got all of his episodes back, 935 01:01:44,699 --> 01:01:49,139 and now they're back in his feed. So you can take your feet 936 01:01:49,139 --> 01:01:52,229 away with your music, or whatever your podcast content 937 01:01:52,229 --> 01:01:57,119 is, whenever you want. And I'm not, I'm actually not that 938 01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,949 adverse to well, if I make it big, I have the right to come 939 01:02:01,949 --> 01:02:04,649 back and say, you've got to take that out of out of your show, 940 01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,799 I'm actually okay with it. Because I think the times that 941 01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:12,509 will happen will be very few in my lifetime. But to tell me that 942 01:02:12,509 --> 01:02:16,259 I have to speak positively, when I use your podcast content now, 943 01:02:16,769 --> 01:02:19,649 you can't tell me what to say. Because that's, that's also in 944 01:02:19,649 --> 01:02:22,949 this initial or was in this initial license. So we just have 945 01:02:22,949 --> 01:02:26,579 to say this is a podcast, I'm not viewing it as music, I'm 946 01:02:26,579 --> 01:02:29,249 viewing it as content, I'm linking to it, I'm linking to 947 01:02:29,249 --> 01:02:33,419 your remote splits, I want to have a piece, I will never go 948 01:02:33,419 --> 01:02:38,099 below 50. But I always keep it at 90. When I'm when I'm when 949 01:02:38,099 --> 01:02:41,909 I'm playing your stuff, because I love you. It's all based on 950 01:02:41,909 --> 01:02:47,579 love. It's all based on an openness and sharing. And so I 951 01:02:47,579 --> 01:02:51,449 understand why people want a license. But we have to keep it 952 01:02:51,449 --> 01:02:55,049 within the realm of remote items. Everything else is never 953 01:02:55,049 --> 01:02:58,109 going to see the light of day, the apps won't do it. No one 954 01:02:58,109 --> 01:03:04,169 wants it well, one or two may. But it's just it's an endless 955 01:03:04,649 --> 01:03:10,559 discussion on GitHub. It will go on forever. And I really, really 956 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:11,639 want to move it along. 957 01:03:12,929 --> 01:03:17,039 Dave Jones: It is and really all that matters. This is the thing 958 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,519 you got to get your head around in podcasting, podcasting is a 959 01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:24,959 different animal. Podcasting is like the open web. What all that 960 01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:29,639 matters is what the apps are willing to do. And they're just 961 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:30,419 not going to play ball. 962 01:03:30,449 --> 01:03:33,119 Adam Curry: And if we truly believe in what we're doing, 963 01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:37,919 already, almost every artists who has come to the value verse 964 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:42,389 has said, I've made more money than I ever made on X, Y and Z. 965 01:03:43,019 --> 01:03:48,809 Right? Build the value verse. Stop thinking about the other 966 01:03:48,809 --> 01:03:54,359 side, stop it is it's just it's not worth it. The chances you're 967 01:03:54,359 --> 01:03:57,569 going to get picked. And I know I can see every single I hear 968 01:03:57,569 --> 01:04:00,599 the artists, they love it, they think is great. But they're all 969 01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:04,259 hoping that this will spring them to the big time. And it 970 01:04:04,259 --> 01:04:08,579 might happen. It might happen for one or two. Unlikely let's 971 01:04:08,579 --> 01:04:11,189 just be honest. It's unlikely. 972 01:04:12,389 --> 01:04:13,259 Dave Jones: It's unlikely. 973 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,760 Adam Curry: So you can do a couple of things. I saw Ainsley 974 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,710 Costello do a do a show, which streamed live and was very 975 01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:25,710 profitable for her and the organization and the apps and 976 01:04:25,710 --> 01:04:27,870 the people who were a part of it head down to the lighting 977 01:04:27,870 --> 01:04:31,110 director. It was a beautiful thing. By the way. I think 978 01:04:31,110 --> 01:04:37,380 there's a big live stream event happening this weekend again, I 979 01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:38,790 think with the herbivores, 980 01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:42,210 Dave Jones: herbivores still tucked in on the deck darlings. 981 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,300 Adam Curry: Yes, of course. So. So we're building something new. 982 01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:53,850 And I hope people view it as something new and not just a 983 01:04:53,850 --> 01:04:56,640 springboard because you're just going to be disappointed. 984 01:04:58,739 --> 01:05:01,349 Dave Jones: And it's not just a day a free version of the same 985 01:05:01,349 --> 01:05:04,529 old thing it really is completely new. Yeah. And you 986 01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:08,909 have to think you have to give it the sort of like the sort of 987 01:05:08,939 --> 01:05:14,729 philosophical respect of being a new thing. Yeah. I mean that 988 01:05:14,759 --> 01:05:18,029 that kind of I don't I don't know if we want to get into this 989 01:05:19,379 --> 01:05:22,109 necessarily I mean it kind of fits where we're going here but 990 01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:23,640 Adam Curry: you want to talk about fees 991 01:05:23,939 --> 01:05:24,449 Dave Jones: the fee 992 01:05:24,449 --> 01:05:27,089 Adam Curry: and yeah, no, no, we have to play a song first then 993 01:05:27,089 --> 01:05:29,159 we can talk about we need to cleanse our palate. 994 01:05:30,179 --> 01:05:31,319 Dave Jones: Okay. All right. Let 995 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,840 Adam Curry: me let me let me check the let me check the RSS 996 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,960 chart for a second let me see where's this? Checking the deck 997 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,420 darlings? Yeah, and well the deck let me see if it's on the 998 01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:45,360 deck darlings oh yes it's number 20 on the deck darlings in the 999 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:51,690 payday pics it's top of the list yeah baby I played this one on 1000 01:05:51,690 --> 01:05:54,750 boosted grand ball and almost freaked out how good distance I 1001 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:58,290 know you'll like it Dave want to hear some strings bending listen 1002 01:05:58,290 --> 01:06:08,100 to rebel hero money not misery all about the money to get 1003 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:18,510 Unknown: out from all the holes in your market making you greedy 1004 01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:46,620 you loving MTS? 1005 01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:19,920 going down and free 1006 01:08:35,609 --> 01:08:36,719 don't take it away 1007 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,450 Adam Curry: Well wasn't lion 1008 01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:42,990 Dave Jones: that's that gives me a lot of like extreme vibes. 1009 01:09:43,019 --> 01:09:46,139 Adam Curry: Oh yeah from all kinds of 70s bands. It's got all 1010 01:09:46,139 --> 01:09:47,489 kinds of stuff in there. 1011 01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:50,939 Dave Jones: Yeah, I dig it man. That's cool. Yeah. 1012 01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:53,969 Adam Curry: Someone said someone boosted who boosted boosted 1013 01:09:53,969 --> 01:09:54,299 forest. 1014 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,430 Dave Jones: Did you say that you did you say you played that on 1015 01:09:59,430 --> 01:10:03,300 booster grand ball. Oh, I did because I do not see that in the 1016 01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:05,220 list of where it was played on. 1017 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,710 Adam Curry: Oh boy. Oh boy. There we go that up. You're 1018 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:21,720 right. It should be the February 9 edition. Oh, do you know what 1019 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,170 I play? Did I play that one? Wait, no trouble is I didn't 1020 01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:26,940 play trouble. I played this one. Let me 1021 01:10:26,939 --> 01:10:29,609 Dave Jones: see its own pathfinders. It shows up under 1022 01:10:29,609 --> 01:10:30,359 booster grand ball. 1023 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,560 Adam Curry: But rebel hero is not on the deck, darlings. I 1024 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,070 don't think it's not. There's only trouble is on the deck, 1025 01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:40,710 darlings. I'm sorry. This song is not on the deck. Yeah, that's 1026 01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:45,150 trouble. It's a different track which goes Let me see that. Let 1027 01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:50,100 me see what that sounds like. I don't think I played that. Me 1028 01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:56,310 very different. Oh, it's the door. Okay. Yeah, so but it will 1029 01:10:56,310 --> 01:11:00,810 show up now. It's yeah, it's on the paid a picks but they don't 1030 01:11:00,810 --> 01:11:02,640 there's no list there. Okay. Do 1031 01:11:02,639 --> 01:11:05,099 Dave Jones: we show up on the pathfinders? We do not we're 1032 01:11:05,099 --> 01:11:05,789 laying man. 1033 01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:09,990 Adam Curry: No, we're not in the top. 20 Now we also this is the 1034 01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:14,340 last No. Interesting. It's 1035 01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:16,830 Dave Jones: nice to see him blueberry number one number two 1036 01:11:16,860 --> 01:11:17,580 move. Oh, yeah. 1037 01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:21,570 Adam Curry: Well, plays a lot and phantom power music our 1038 01:11:21,870 --> 01:11:22,260 Yeah. 1039 01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:25,590 Dave Jones: Yeah. Breaking tracks. Yeah. 1040 01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:28,680 Adam Curry: That's fantastic. I love it. I love it. So now we 1041 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,170 can talk briefly about fees now that our palette has been 1042 01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:32,190 cleanse we've heard about 1043 01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:35,400 Dave Jones: I don't want to I don't want to. I don't I don't 1044 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,460 wanna talk about fees. Okay. It's gonna make me grumpy. All 1045 01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:38,700 right, 1046 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:39,480 Adam Curry: how about this? 1047 01:11:39,809 --> 01:11:41,849 Dave Jones: We should talk about fate. So we're gonna have we'll 1048 01:11:41,849 --> 01:11:43,919 have Oscar on the show in two weeks. 1049 01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:47,220 Adam Curry: Okay, so we'll have a crappy show, then. Are you are 1050 01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:48,360 you excited? Oscar? 1051 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,460 Dave Jones: Because we, if we, if we do this, we're gonna have 1052 01:11:53,460 --> 01:11:57,690 to play the math, jingle and all this kind of stuff. And we've, 1053 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,400 um, it's gonna make me grumpy. 1054 01:11:59,429 --> 01:12:01,229 Adam Curry: I don't want you grumpy. I don't want you grumpy 1055 01:12:01,229 --> 01:12:01,619 brother. 1056 01:12:02,729 --> 01:12:05,699 Dave Jones: I'd rather talk about the house. I'll just 1057 01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:09,420 Adam Curry: give you a little fun one. Okay, Ford Sync. Are 1058 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:11,790 you familiar with the Ford SYNC product? 1059 01:12:12,899 --> 01:12:15,629 Dave Jones: This is Is this the old thing that used to be in 1060 01:12:15,629 --> 01:12:19,019 their cars where it would? Yes, like let you sync your music and 1061 01:12:19,019 --> 01:12:19,349 all that. 1062 01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:24,480 Adam Curry: Well, it allows you to see album art on your screen. 1063 01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:28,380 Yeah, yeah, it crashes on emojis and chapters. Just just letting 1064 01:12:28,380 --> 01:12:34,470 everybody know. Oh, really? That's not good. Yeah. is not 1065 01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:37,920 good. If there's an emoji in a chapter then Ford SYNC reboots 1066 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,060 or something. It's bad. 1067 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,430 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Eric's right. It's Microsoft's Thank 1068 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:41,940 you. 1069 01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:46,560 Adam Curry: That makes sense. That 1070 01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:49,830 Dave Jones: these unit is a Unicode. I 1071 01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:53,640 Adam Curry: put a link to Chad f did a whole but deed clipped a 1072 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,750 whole bunch of value for value testimonials. He did a I think 1073 01:12:57,750 --> 01:13:00,690 it's on fountain yes on fountain. And he put a whole 1074 01:13:00,690 --> 01:13:02,490 bunch in there. It's really good. It's a link if anyone 1075 01:13:02,490 --> 01:13:05,670 wants some value for value testimonials. There's GGS in 1076 01:13:05,670 --> 01:13:11,370 there and a light bulb moment that we had apparently, episode 1077 01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:15,690 so really I episode 79. What is that? Oh, I want to have a 1078 01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:17,820 listen to longtime again. See what that was? See what we were 1079 01:13:17,820 --> 01:13:19,290 talking about a second. 1080 01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:22,950 Dave Jones: Now that I'm thinking about this. This is 1081 01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:26,940 actually an interesting part of value for value as it's 1082 01:13:26,940 --> 01:13:33,600 implemented in apps in the podcasting 2.0 apps. I just 1083 01:13:36,330 --> 01:13:38,310 remembered a light bulb moment. Oh, let's 1084 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:40,110 Adam Curry: listen to your lit all 1085 01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:47,369 Dave Jones: lit I'll get the live tag. The the other eye ways 1086 01:13:47,369 --> 01:13:53,219 of monetizing like Patreon and stuff involve you having to tell 1087 01:13:53,219 --> 01:13:57,509 your audience that is there. Because they need because 1088 01:13:57,509 --> 01:14:03,059 otherwise they would not know. But the podcasting 2.0 apps 1089 01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:09,419 surface the boost button on the page where the when it sees an 1090 01:14:09,419 --> 01:14:11,909 ad a podcast that is value enabled. 1091 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,160 Adam Curry: Day we're on drugs. 1092 01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:17,460 Dave Jones: What is wrong with me? 1093 01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:21,960 Adam Curry: Well, this was it wasn't like it was the friction 1094 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,940 was nature of the boosts. 1095 01:14:24,689 --> 01:14:27,569 Dave Jones: That was a long time ago. That was probably once that 1096 01:14:27,569 --> 01:14:30,659 was probably very early after the boost button showed up in 1097 01:14:30,659 --> 01:14:31,079 apps. 1098 01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:33,810 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's all right. That think about it seems 1099 01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:37,200 like a long time ago. It's not that long, brother. That's 1100 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,820 Dave Jones: true. I sounded so young 1101 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,450 Adam Curry: and unspoiled. Yes, 1102 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,940 Dave Jones: yes. Boy, I was a virgin. What do we like? Do we 1103 01:14:47,940 --> 01:14:51,840 want to talk about I think, I think we can I want to get 1104 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,620 rolling on the namespace by formalizing the podcast chat 1105 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:56,160 tag. 1106 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,120 Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, and this will be for phase eight. Oh, 1107 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:01,470 Dave Jones: seven. 1108 01:15:01,620 --> 01:15:05,670 Adam Curry: Oh 10 Seven. I thought seven was closed. No, no 1109 01:15:05,670 --> 01:15:09,120 Dave Jones: seven we did I set the closed date on seven last 1110 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,620 week to June the first. So we're gonna it's going to be closed 1111 01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:19,980 June 1. Everybody. That's what that's what our milestone is. 1112 01:15:20,010 --> 01:15:23,910 But that doesn't mean as usual that doesn't mean that we can't 1113 01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:27,510 formalize things as they become done. I mean, if as they're 1114 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:32,970 fully baked, we will we can we can ship them. I think podcast 1115 01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:36,330 chat tag. I mean, it's it's already being used in 1116 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,280 Adam Curry: curieux Cassie Tirrell caster has it is showing 1117 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,810 it. I don't think anyone else is showing up peer to peer to peer 1118 01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:49,950 tube. Okay, but curio caster also shows but that is kind of a 1119 01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:56,700 like it goes to a page with a IRC login. Okay. Yes. So 1120 01:15:56,700 --> 01:16:02,850 Dave Jones: the chat tag is, is very similar to the social 1121 01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:09,540 interact tag, except it's for chat. So you have, I can just 1122 01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:13,920 get through it real quick. So the chat tag is essentially it 1123 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,680 goes right now. So here's how it here's how it would go in, 1124 01:16:16,710 --> 01:16:20,670 here's how it would go into the namespace initially, it would be 1125 01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:25,560 initially limited to only being in a live item parent tag, 1126 01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:30,030 right. And I'm saying I'm saying this specifically, I want to I 1127 01:16:30,030 --> 01:16:33,420 want it to be it's important that when I'm saying initially 1128 01:16:33,420 --> 01:16:37,860 because I think this needs to expand in the future. But part 1129 01:16:37,860 --> 01:16:39,600 of the reason I feel comfortable, go ahead and put in 1130 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,310 the namespace now is because it is going to be initially limited 1131 01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:48,900 into the limited to live item tag as the parent. So you can 1132 01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:55,020 have one chat tag in the pair and the live item tag. And it 1133 01:16:55,020 --> 01:17:00,330 requires a protocol attribute, saying what it is. So as Is it 1134 01:17:00,330 --> 01:17:05,190 is it our C? Is it XMPP? Is it noster? Whatever? 1135 01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:10,859 Adam Curry: Well, I'm currently in. In sovereign, we we have it 1136 01:17:10,859 --> 01:17:15,389 in our feed in the live item we have IRC, and the other options, 1137 01:17:15,389 --> 01:17:19,349 I see your XMPP matrix and Nasr. That's what that's what it is 1138 01:17:19,349 --> 01:17:19,949 for now. 1139 01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:23,070 Dave Jones: Those are the four examples in the proto in the 1140 01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:27,090 proposal document. Right. So that makes sense. So then you 1141 01:17:27,090 --> 01:17:31,860 also have a recommended account ID, though that's the account ID 1142 01:17:31,860 --> 01:17:36,240 of the podcaster on the on the chat platform, right? Yep. Yep. 1143 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,390 It's not required. The only thing required is protocol, but 1144 01:17:39,390 --> 01:17:42,900 it is the account ID is recommended. 1145 01:17:43,529 --> 01:17:44,759 Adam Curry: And that space name. 1146 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,640 Dave Jones: And then yes, so I love 1147 01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,859 Adam Curry: I love it. You know why I love space name? No, 1148 01:17:52,919 --> 01:17:55,379 because it sounds so much like Space Force. 1149 01:17:56,010 --> 01:17:58,740 Dave Jones: Oh, Space Force. Yes. Space Force, 1150 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,750 Adam Curry: you go. Server 1151 01:18:01,109 --> 01:18:04,229 Dave Jones: is an optional attribute. So that's the fully 1152 01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:07,079 qualified, that's the fully qualified domain name of chat 1153 01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:07,679 server. 1154 01:18:09,060 --> 01:18:11,460 Adam Curry: Oh, I don't we don't have served Oh, yeah, we do have 1155 01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:14,010 server? Yes, we do have server. Okay. So 1156 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,700 Dave Jones: the, you know, as usual, what we're trying to do 1157 01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:22,230 with these tags, we're trying to genericized them, to make them 1158 01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:27,420 adaptable to what to be useful now for the protocols we have 1159 01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:31,620 now and for the future, to Yes, and for future for the 25 years 1160 01:18:31,620 --> 01:18:32,310 in the future, 1161 01:18:32,340 --> 01:18:36,120 Adam Curry: future use future use whatever 1162 01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,090 Dave Jones: protocol is the hotness, then you could adapt 1163 01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:48,840 it. And so the server is the optional FQ dn of a chat server. 1164 01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:52,110 And the way that is described in the documentation in the in the 1165 01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:54,960 proposal document is a chat server that serves as the 1166 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,710 bootstrap server. So for like, for IRC, I mean, you can get two 1167 01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:03,270 channels in multiple ways, different servers. So it's just 1168 01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:07,620 the one that you're most likely to be an entry point, right? But 1169 01:19:07,620 --> 01:19:11,220 if you run one single private server, it'll just be that the 1170 01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:17,460 space is for, like a call to space because not everybody uses 1171 01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:20,340 different terminology. Everybody has this most chat systems have 1172 01:19:20,340 --> 01:19:24,360 this notion of a room or a chat room. Yeah, yeah, topic channel. 1173 01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,050 So I just said space because it was generic enough to be a cover 1174 01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:33,570 all those things. Embed URL is a URL to an HTML rendered version 1175 01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:40,020 of the chat. Yeah. Okay. So those are the attributes. And 1176 01:19:40,650 --> 01:19:46,440 with the other aspect of trying to have formalizing this now is 1177 01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:49,860 that we can is it what we're dealing with now and it's 1178 01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:58,560 working mostly, is this an noncanonical chat attribute in 1179 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,490 the live Adam tag that Steven be created. And that's just a 1180 01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:05,970 single URL. And we're, we've been living with that for a 1181 01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:09,750 while. And it does work a long time. Yeah on time. So this is 1182 01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:14,670 just a much better out of the gate version of of that already. 1183 01:20:14,730 --> 01:20:19,320 Adam Curry: And I will say that there are 1000s of people, every 1184 01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:25,440 single no agenda show de PUE could be using your app for the 1185 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:29,310 what we call the troll room, which is, which we've been 1186 01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:31,770 pushing this information out for, I don't know how long it 1187 01:20:31,770 --> 01:20:34,140 was, it's been inherited over a year, maybe two years. I don't 1188 01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:41,310 have a long time. So I have no app to promote for this. I'm 1189 01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:44,370 looking for apps to implement this. So I can promote it on no 1190 01:20:44,370 --> 01:20:50,130 agenda. Just saying. Yeah, pretty big. 1191 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,730 Dave Jones: Nathan asked question, what, what count? Was 1192 01:20:53,730 --> 01:20:58,950 it limited to only just a single chat tag to begin with? And just 1193 01:20:59,220 --> 01:21:04,650 few that were? I mean, I can see the I can see the potential for 1194 01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:07,830 having more than one in the future. I mean, that makes 1195 01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:10,230 sense. I mean, you may have multiple ways of chatting. But 1196 01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:14,220 typically, I'm just looking for the most common use case. And 1197 01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:19,350 the most common use case that I see here is ours. Yeah, which is 1198 01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:24,990 so we have this show, no agenda, accidental tech, Jupiter 1199 01:21:24,990 --> 01:21:29,190 broadcasting, that most of the shows have one official chat 1200 01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:32,430 environment that they support. So since this is going to be 1201 01:21:32,430 --> 01:21:34,920 going into the feed from the foods that the podcasts are 1202 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,650 gonna be putting this into the feed, they're most likely going 1203 01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:41,190 to be they're going to want everybody else to be in the 1204 01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:44,640 place they are. And they're only going to be typically in one 1205 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:50,370 place as their primary chat for the show when it's five. So 1206 01:21:50,370 --> 01:21:54,990 then, that really, it it can there's no reason not to have 1207 01:21:54,990 --> 01:21:58,500 multiples. But for ease of programming on the app developer 1208 01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:03,030 side, it makes it most well, it just becomes more complicated. 1209 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,590 So I think we can we can we can make it later we can expand it 1210 01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:11,790 to be multiple, but I think initially single is limit the 1211 01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:16,320 blast radius make this easy as easy as possible to program. And 1212 01:22:16,350 --> 01:22:19,440 but I don't see any reason not to formalize this. It's working 1213 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:19,800 now. 1214 01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:22,260 Adam Curry: And is this something you can see in the 1215 01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:26,280 future going into channel level just for people to hang out? 1216 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,060 Totally. Okay. Yeah, because there's a lot of that going on. 1217 01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:33,270 I love it. I think we should formalize it. We've been using 1218 01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:36,120 it. I'd love to see it implemented. I really would. It 1219 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,890 seems like a no brainer. 1220 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,880 Dave Jones: I would say once we get this once we get this in 1221 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:47,820 there, and we see that we see that people are comfortable with 1222 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:50,280 putting it into the feed from the hosting side out because I 1223 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:55,800 can imagine immediately, probably blueberry is probably 1224 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,250 gonna hit this in their PowerPress product. Yeah, that 1225 01:22:59,250 --> 01:23:00,900 fits a good fit for them. 1226 01:23:01,019 --> 01:23:02,939 Adam Curry: If Todd ever comes back to America 1227 01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:08,520 Dave Jones: Oh no, he's a good globetrotter. 1228 01:23:09,090 --> 01:23:11,220 Adam Curry: Race man, he's gone. He's back 1229 01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:15,390 Dave Jones: in the he's back in the he's back in the Force. He 1230 01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:20,370 went deep cover the Deathstar. But I can see like, for instance 1231 01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:27,090 them. I think Barry at pod home. I think he's actually doing lit 1232 01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:28,920 now. Yeah, 1233 01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:32,280 Adam Curry: with servers even I think with the servers. Yeah, 1234 01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:36,090 Dave Jones: for him doing this. So once we, once we get a couple 1235 01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:40,380 of hosts that are begin to put this into their feeds, then we 1236 01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:44,280 can look come back later in maybe phase eight or nine, when 1237 01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:47,910 you know, whatever makes sense for the timing and say, Okay, 1238 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:53,940 this is working well. Now we expand it to channel level for 1239 01:23:53,970 --> 01:23:59,820 show chat that sort of always on troll room, or, and or increase 1240 01:23:59,820 --> 01:24:00,930 from single to multiple. 1241 01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:07,800 Adam Curry: I love it. I think it's great. I'm so moved. Yes. 1242 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,939 Dave Jones: It's done. I will I will do that. We'll do that this 1243 01:24:11,999 --> 01:24:15,659 the next few days, our formulas as well as our first tag and oh, 1244 01:24:15,659 --> 01:24:17,939 gosh, it's been six months since we have a tag right? Yeah. 1245 01:24:18,270 --> 01:24:20,760 Adam Curry: Well, that's good. Everyone's catching up. The apps 1246 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,150 are great. I've just loved the apps meeting. They're all 1247 01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:26,820 they're really they're kicking butt. Every single one of them 1248 01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:31,440 are so good. I'm concerned about podcast guru. I know I've told 1249 01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:36,570 you this. But I just see I think that when their new version came 1250 01:24:36,570 --> 01:24:39,630 out. I don't know if everyone who was using it knows that they 1251 01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:41,010 have to reconnect their wallet. 1252 01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:44,190 Dave Jones: Oh, do the lb Connect. Yeah. 1253 01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:50,640 Adam Curry: I'm just not seeing enough transactions. Just it 1254 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,730 seems like I'm the only one. Like this can't be right. 1255 01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:57,060 Dave Jones: Yeah, the people may not realize that their wallets 1256 01:24:57,060 --> 01:25:00,450 been disconnected. Yeah, I didn't. I had to Go in there. 1257 01:25:00,450 --> 01:25:02,340 And look, once you said it. Yeah, 1258 01:25:02,340 --> 01:25:05,310 Adam Curry: I mean, you you just become I don't even know, I'm 1259 01:25:05,310 --> 01:25:08,070 sure that if you tried to boost it would give you a fail, but 1260 01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:11,760 maybe not I don't know. But I just I can just see it. I'm 1261 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,490 like, no, no, this doesn't make sense. There's just not enough 1262 01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:15,750 transactions coming in. 1263 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:20,250 Dave Jones: That's one thing about cast ematic that, that I 1264 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:24,060 like. And one of the reasons I have maintained it as my daily 1265 01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:27,720 driver is because it's right. When, when you're out, when your 1266 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,180 wallet gets disconnected, there's a big thing right there 1267 01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:33,030 on the front that says you need to reconnect your wallet. Yeah. 1268 01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:35,760 Which is pretty it's kind of in your face. 1269 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,390 Adam Curry: And so and also, I think, podcast podcast, who 1270 01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:43,260 correctly stacks payments and doesn't send them until like, 1271 01:25:43,260 --> 01:25:48,090 every five minutes. That's good. Yes. Which I think is good. But 1272 01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:50,550 of course, that does lower the amount of transaction. So I'm 1273 01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:55,290 taking that into account. But I know I'm just I mean, you know, 1274 01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:58,020 me, I feel stuff, right. I just like, someone doesn't feel 1275 01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:00,450 right. I'm not sure what it is. But if something doesn't feel 1276 01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:03,930 right. So Jason, 1277 01:26:04,979 --> 01:26:10,859 Dave Jones: we want to go before we think people do want to, you 1278 01:26:10,859 --> 01:26:13,799 want to hear the stats for the did the taxes? 1279 01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:18,989 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, I love tax time, because 1280 01:26:18,989 --> 01:26:24,869 Dave does it. All I have to do, I just had to set up the bank 1281 01:26:24,869 --> 01:26:28,859 account overview, I maintain the bank account. So it was just 1282 01:26:28,859 --> 01:26:33,749 really easy. Like, we wrote three checks. If 1283 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,070 Dave Jones: we did the bank account, that our bank statement 1284 01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:40,680 fits on line one, 1285 01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:42,420 Adam Curry: yeah, one Excel sheet, one page. 1286 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:48,960 Dave Jones: It doesn't even scroll, you know? So, an 1287 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,690 exported all the transactions out for Greg, who is our CPA 1288 01:26:54,690 --> 01:26:57,930 that does this. So I exported all the transactions out of the 1289 01:26:57,930 --> 01:26:59,370 podcast index node, this 1290 01:26:59,370 --> 01:27:00,780 Adam Curry: is a graph, I'm going to write it down. This is 1291 01:27:00,780 --> 01:27:01,590 a great number. 1292 01:27:03,810 --> 01:27:08,730 Dave Jones: And it took it took 72 hours to export all the 1293 01:27:08,730 --> 01:27:17,100 transactions using balance of Satoshis. Three days, export all 1294 01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:24,210 the transactions. There were 5,420,548 transactions. 1295 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:31,920 5,420,548. Wow, 1296 01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:36,750 Adam Curry: wow. Yes, half million transactions. Wow. There 1297 01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:39,750 Dave Jones: were about 4 million last year. So we're, we're a 1298 01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:43,050 million and a half above what what happened? What it was last 1299 01:27:43,050 --> 01:27:43,140 year. 1300 01:27:43,170 --> 01:27:46,140 Adam Curry: Okay. That's that's a good metric. So 4 million 1301 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:53,370 Dave Jones: last year. Yes. Yeah. 5,420,548 Total 1302 01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:57,270 Transactions on the podcast index note only for 2020 2023. 1303 01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:58,770 Adam Curry: I was gonna say its calendar year, 1304 01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:03,419 Dave Jones: calendar year way at one one to 1231. Wow, the total 1305 01:28:03,419 --> 01:28:15,389 sets for 2023 69,193,139. Wow. That's, that's Trent. That's 1306 01:28:15,389 --> 01:28:20,069 podcasting. 2.0 transactions. So that's just that's where we were 1307 01:28:20,069 --> 01:28:22,409 given the 1% split. You know, 1308 01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,049 Adam Curry: also Stoddard comes into the show, obviously. 1309 01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:28,170 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Yeah, true. Yes. Donations to the 1310 01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:28,440 show. 1311 01:28:28,529 --> 01:28:31,679 Adam Curry: Yeah. What was that in? 2022? Do you have that 1312 01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:32,939 number? No, 1313 01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:34,320 Dave Jones: I don't have in front of me. I didn't I didn't 1314 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:39,690 bring it. Interestingly, another the other stat that came the the 1315 01:28:39,810 --> 01:28:45,630 stepped out to me was forwards. So routing, routing, oh, routing 1316 01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:56,670 for you. SATs. So we had 1,023,793 SATs in routing. I 1317 01:28:56,670 --> 01:28:59,160 don't know what that translates into. But it's about I think 1318 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,350 it's about 200 bucks. Interesting. 1319 01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:04,830 Adam Curry: We have our fees incredibly low on purpose. 1320 01:29:05,550 --> 01:29:09,270 Right. Right. So I hope that hope that helps everybody. Wow, 1321 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:12,510 that's good. That's good. Unbelievable. Yeah, 1322 01:29:12,510 --> 01:29:15,660 Dave Jones: so we I mean, that's that. That did I mean, those are 1323 01:29:15,660 --> 01:29:19,110 great numbers. 1-810-210-2379 1324 01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:23,010 Adam Curry: No, that was the number 1023793 1325 01:29:23,039 --> 01:29:26,249 Dave Jones: on on routing, status routing feature sets. 1326 01:29:26,249 --> 01:29:29,099 Yeah. Okay. So that 1327 01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:33,150 Adam Curry: graduated. Congratulations, everybody. Good 1328 01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:34,890 work. You keeping us alive? 1329 01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:40,440 Dave Jones: 69 Yeah, the 69,000,193 139 of course, that's 1330 01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:42,870 you know, that's gone up in value with with Bitcoin going 1331 01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:47,250 nuts. Yeah. You know, it was not that at the time it was much 1332 01:29:47,250 --> 01:29:51,690 lower. Yeah, so anyway, that's, that's, that's for this year. 1333 01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:52,500 Nice. 1334 01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:56,700 Adam Curry: Nice. Well, let us thank some people who were 1335 01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:00,120 adding to that number for 2024 and we kick it off with say am 1336 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:06,390 Southie 10,000 SATs boosting us of course from the true fans. He 1337 01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:10,530 says hello from Australia listening live. Ben James and I 1338 01:30:10,530 --> 01:30:13,890 will be in Brisbane next week. 22nd of February for meetup and 1339 01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:15,930 beers. Cool. 1340 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,780 Dave Jones: How was he listening live in Australia? Isn't it like 1341 01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:21,810 three o'clock in the morning that he doesn't sleep? That's 1342 01:30:21,810 --> 01:30:22,080 right. 1343 01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:27,120 Adam Curry: Actually, I think well, what time is it in? Time? 1344 01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:34,890 Is it in Australia? In Brisbane in Brisbane? Let's see. Normally 1345 01:30:34,890 --> 01:30:39,000 I can do this but it hurts my Wait, am I he's up. He's up to 1346 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,780 get up before his wife gets up to do anything he wants to do. 1347 01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:47,370 So I caught that before she wakes up. Cotton Gin was 1348 01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:52,020 boosting during the rebel hero song 3333 says nice key change. 1349 01:30:52,140 --> 01:30:56,160 Dred Scott also boosting. Now I'm just guessing this because 1350 01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:02,040 pod verse does not send me the remote item information in the 1351 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,000 TLV at least not in a way that I can decode it in helipad, which 1352 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,770 is a shame. But that's okay. There's only only two apps do it 1353 01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:16,380 really well. I think cast thematic is one and podcast guru 1354 01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:20,040 does pretty good actually. Anyway, the RO ducks from drip 1355 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:25,530 Thank you very much. Dobby das 10,000 SATs from podcast guru so 1356 01:31:25,530 --> 01:31:28,770 he reconnected his wallet. Hello beautiful people just want to 1357 01:31:28,770 --> 01:31:32,700 invite everyone to tune into the herbivore live V for V concert 1358 01:31:32,700 --> 01:31:39,240 today. 9:30pm Eastern Standard Time. Search herbivore live on 1359 01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:44,250 modern podcast apps. Dolby Das, please send me a link to any 1360 01:31:44,250 --> 01:31:48,120 social media posts or anything appropriate so I can hype that 1361 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:57,750 on the X. And O sir TJ the wrathful with 1953. pre show 1362 01:31:57,750 --> 01:32:01,650 boost. Ryan and Seth fonder are joining us in the dorsal verse 1363 01:32:01,650 --> 01:32:05,580 this Sunday Night Live. Again, send me a link where I can 1364 01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:09,270 promote that would love to do that. What really works well is 1365 01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:12,990 is a link to an app that they can show it live. And I can put 1366 01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:18,420 that on the socials Dred Scott, separate row of duck 2222. How 1367 01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:24,210 do y'all just a little pre show boost? How do y'all and I think 1368 01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,510 that is Oh, as Sam just came in with another 10,000. The reason 1369 01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:30,210 I often say we have implemented something is because I believe 1370 01:32:30,210 --> 01:32:34,710 in build fast, then fix it. We tried to make ideas a reality so 1371 01:32:34,710 --> 01:32:37,650 others can see how it might work and then wait for feedback to 1372 01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:38,730 improve the feature. 1373 01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,749 Dave Jones: That's sandboxing. Down. Yes. Yes, that makes 1374 01:32:42,749 --> 01:32:42,929 sense. 1375 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,150 Adam Curry: He says, Did you like our validator? I've 1376 01:32:45,180 --> 01:32:47,550 honestly I've not played with it yet. Have you checked out the 1377 01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:48,240 validator? 1378 01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:52,259 Dave Jones: Yes, I checked. I think it is very well done. And 1379 01:32:52,259 --> 01:32:57,479 I think that's a I think that's a fine like we we have really 1380 01:32:58,709 --> 01:33:01,889 that's kind of an important thing. I mean, that's the role 1381 01:33:01,889 --> 01:33:06,539 that that's the role that Steven the played has played for a long 1382 01:33:06,539 --> 01:33:10,289 time as tres. Being you know, taking the arrows, you know, 1383 01:33:10,379 --> 01:33:14,609 getting out there doing crazy stuff. And I'm glad and the fact 1384 01:33:14,609 --> 01:33:16,799 that Sam is doing that is wonderful. Thank you, sir. 1385 01:33:17,789 --> 01:33:18,299 Indeed, 1386 01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:20,580 Adam Curry: Sam Southie Thank you have a great time man. Have 1387 01:33:20,580 --> 01:33:23,550 a great time on You're supposed to be on vacation. What are you 1388 01:33:23,550 --> 01:33:25,440 doing stop work are you doing man stop 1389 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,180 Dave Jones: and go to board meetings on vacation. Stop 1390 01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:30,540 Adam Curry: it. Stop it. You're up Dave. Who can we thank for 1391 01:33:30,540 --> 01:33:33,570 supporting the value for value project that we are. 1392 01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,070 Dave Jones: Oh, we got some. Get some paper towels. This week. We 1393 01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:42,030 got Oscar marry $200 1394 01:33:43,260 --> 01:33:45,630 Adam Curry: Fountain hold on us now. That's Hold on. That's 1395 01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:50,220 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on him Paul. 1396 01:33:50,430 --> 01:33:51,480 Adam Curry: Definitely a baller. 1397 01:33:52,319 --> 01:33:54,899 Dave Jones: I just want to I wanted to make I made a note of 1398 01:33:54,899 --> 01:33:58,679 this to mention it I don't think I don't make maybe people don't 1399 01:33:58,679 --> 01:34:01,619 realize this or stopped to think about what this was actually 1400 01:34:01,619 --> 01:34:07,799 happening here. So think about you got Marco. You got Oscar. 1401 01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:15,869 You got Mitch and Kreon at pod verse. Collectively. Marco is 1402 01:34:15,869 --> 01:34:22,949 donating $7,500 a month. Oscar in nicot Fountain are donating 1403 01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:27,329 $200 a month. Pot verse Mitch and Kreon are donating $50 a 1404 01:34:27,329 --> 01:34:32,789 month. That's $750 a month. For the they're donating for their 1405 01:34:32,789 --> 01:34:38,699 use of the index. And if you think about it, whether what 1406 01:34:38,699 --> 01:34:44,429 they're donating is they are podcast apps donating to an 1407 01:34:44,429 --> 01:34:48,449 index that yes, they use but the primary purpose of the index is 1408 01:34:48,449 --> 01:34:52,589 to allow us to help other podcast apps. Yeah. So they are 1409 01:34:52,589 --> 01:34:59,159 donating to their company to help their competition. I think 1410 01:34:59,159 --> 01:35:02,099 that's a fair that's a beaut little thing to me today that 1411 01:35:02,099 --> 01:35:07,889 it's very is a very open source way of thinking and I love it. 1412 01:35:09,899 --> 01:35:12,629 Adam Curry: And I love it and I love them. Yeah, 1413 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,350 Dave Jones: me too. Thank you for that. Thank you for that 1414 01:35:16,350 --> 01:35:21,240 Oscar. And yep. And we had pod verse 50 bucks. Thank you, 1415 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:28,170 Matthew match. Thank you, Mitch. We have to wait two donations 1416 01:35:28,170 --> 01:35:33,780 from Travis halls. Neither one of them had a note but $24.76 1417 01:35:33,780 --> 01:35:36,600 And then another one for $21 from Travis. Oh, 1418 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,750 Adam Curry: thank you, Travis. How can I Travis Dred Scott just 1419 01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:45,330 came in with 4567 RSS blue also has a nice validator he says yes 1420 01:35:45,330 --> 01:35:49,260 tools dot RSS blue.com/validator Wow. All right. 1421 01:35:51,450 --> 01:35:54,480 Dave Jones: And we got some booster grams. We got a Joel W 1422 01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:56,970 with a satchel Richards through fountain. He says I still have 1423 01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,630 YouTube channels and my RSS reader pulling videos. Well, 1424 01:36:01,140 --> 01:36:02,490 they said they canceled Oh yeah, I 1425 01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:03,570 Adam Curry: thought they canceled it out. 1426 01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:07,200 Dave Jones: Maybe it's a head fake. Todd from Northern 1427 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,830 Virginia 22 to 22 Bigger of ducks the pod versus go 1428 01:36:10,830 --> 01:36:11,490 podcasting. 1429 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,920 Adam Curry: All right, thank you very much go podcasting. Indeed. 1430 01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:19,590 By the way, I love Dred Scott boosted from curio caster, 1431 01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:23,490 because Curie caster and Casta Matic I can hit reply. Tonight. 1432 01:36:23,490 --> 01:36:24,270 How's that working? 1433 01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:26,340 Dave Jones: Is it working? work so well, it's 1434 01:36:26,340 --> 01:36:30,450 Adam Curry: so fun. Because I just Yeah, cuz I can I can add 1435 01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:33,870 the number the amount of sites I want, and most people are 1436 01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:37,980 connected through get Alby and I'll be will send them an email 1437 01:36:38,370 --> 01:36:42,510 that I've sent that I've sent to boost. Oh, that's cool. So the 1438 01:36:42,510 --> 01:36:46,140 so the alert mechanism is in the it's this. I mean, it's it's 1439 01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:49,080 real. It's awesome. It really is just awesome to have that 1440 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,080 capability. Sam, how come you haven't implemented that yet? 1441 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:52,800 Come on Samsung. 1442 01:36:54,930 --> 01:36:58,710 Dave Jones: Air peepees just really rocked it. Oh, yeah. You 1443 01:36:58,710 --> 01:37:03,930 know, and made Steven crater I gave a RPP maintainer rides on 1444 01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:05,970 the on the helipad repo because he's so 1445 01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:09,750 Adam Curry: in involved in that what he's doing he's doing the 1446 01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:10,290 whole he's doing 1447 01:37:10,290 --> 01:37:11,460 Dave Jones: it I mean, that's yeah, he's doing the whole 1448 01:37:11,460 --> 01:37:17,280 thing. And that's his code now and then Stephen crater I gave 1449 01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:22,020 him maintainer rights today on the website repo so he's, he can 1450 01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:24,120 easily merge things 1451 01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,520 Adam Curry: right. Perfect. Perfect. And that takes a lot of 1452 01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:28,710 hassle off of your back. Yeah, 1453 01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:31,110 Dave Jones: I don't want them waiting for me. I feel bad. You 1454 01:37:31,110 --> 01:37:33,900 know, because of course, it takes a day for me to see it and 1455 01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:36,540 everything. So yeah, I want them to be able to move when they 1456 01:37:36,570 --> 01:37:41,130 when it's good for their time schedule. And then we got Sir 1457 01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:45,840 Brian of London day 11,948 sets. Thank you brother. Cast 1458 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,730 thematic. He says, I saw cats in the O musical. I saw cats in the 1459 01:37:50,730 --> 01:37:53,400 original stage production as a child in the West End in London, 1460 01:37:53,610 --> 01:37:56,670 and also the king Anya with your Brynner on the stage. Oh, 1461 01:37:57,420 --> 01:37:59,310 Adam Curry: that's right. I'm gonna I'm gonna reply to him 1462 01:37:59,310 --> 01:38:01,710 right now with 1000 SATs. What should I say? 1463 01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:03,540 Dave Jones: To whom? 1464 01:38:04,530 --> 01:38:07,920 Adam Curry: I can cast thematic Yes. From Adam and Dave. 1465 01:38:09,930 --> 01:38:14,370 Dave Jones: Tell you should tell him that. Cat Mamma Mia. Mamma 1466 01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:15,870 Mia is worse than cats. 1467 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:22,860 Adam Curry: Mommy is worse than cats. Okay, and sending the 1468 01:38:22,860 --> 01:38:25,710 boost. I love that. All right. And my 1469 01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:31,260 Dave Jones: my brief musical report is that I will say we've 1470 01:38:31,260 --> 01:38:36,510 watched two musicals this week. Ah, yes, Mamma Mia is a steaming 1471 01:38:36,510 --> 01:38:41,910 pile of garbage. Whoever decided to take a bunch of Abba songs 1472 01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:47,760 and put some crappy basically it's an Abba concert with with a 1473 01:38:48,990 --> 01:38:55,530 without, without Abba. And with a paper sin plot just enough to 1474 01:38:55,530 --> 01:38:58,680 tie together the Abba songs. It is a piece of garbage. It's 1475 01:38:58,679 --> 01:39:01,709 Adam Curry: interesting because the women in my life love the 1476 01:39:01,709 --> 01:39:06,989 movie. They love the movies. I know I agree. It's not my kind 1477 01:39:06,989 --> 01:39:07,769 of thought 1478 01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:09,990 Dave Jones: it was as bad as it could get. And then Pierce 1479 01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:17,400 Brosnan tried to start trying to save sounds like Oh, it sounds 1480 01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:23,190 like an out of tune cat like cello or something is awful. And 1481 01:39:23,190 --> 01:39:28,800 then, but Melissa, Melissa calls Abba military pop because it's 1482 01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:33,629 Adam Curry: interesting to hear. Can you hear the drums Fernando? 1483 01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:38,789 Dave Jones: But Oliver is a great musical. 1484 01:39:40,770 --> 01:39:43,020 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oliver's fantastic. Yes. 1485 01:39:43,530 --> 01:39:45,960 Dave Jones: It's the songs are a little long, but it's got great 1486 01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:46,770 choreography. 1487 01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:49,050 Adam Curry: As Sam said. He says we've had booths replies for 1488 01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:51,330 over a year. Yeah, well, they're not showing up in your TLV 1489 01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:56,160 record, Sam. Oh, yeah, you need to put it into TLV record. 1490 01:39:56,220 --> 01:39:57,900 Thanks for the extra 10,000 1491 01:40:01,020 --> 01:40:05,640 Dave Jones: Okay, so we got Bill prog. 2000 He's a hugger. 2000 1492 01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,830 SATs through fountain he says when you mentioned Apple I 1493 01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:10,470 thought they stopped hating polar bears and wanting polar 1494 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:12,750 caps to melt away goes decentralized podcast. 1495 01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:14,160 Adam Curry: Yes, go for it indeed. 1496 01:40:15,660 --> 01:40:20,130 Dave Jones: They're getting there. Nick 2222 Road ducks do 1497 01:40:20,130 --> 01:40:23,730 fountaining says it's fine work you people do fine work. Very 1498 01:40:23,729 --> 01:40:25,379 Adam Curry: fine. Work on both sides. 1499 01:40:26,430 --> 01:40:30,960 Dave Jones: Thank you Nick. Other way ups at 5000 SATs the 1500 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,000 founding says anti burnout boost. 1501 01:40:33,060 --> 01:40:37,410 Adam Curry: Ah yes. For the Mitchell. And everyone else. 1502 01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:41,100 Dave Jones: Did everyone else don't burn out guys. Kevin Bay 1503 01:40:41,130 --> 01:40:42,750 75,002. 1504 01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:48,630 Adam Curry: So Oh 75,000 Yes, I think that's a that's a baller 1505 01:40:48,630 --> 01:40:52,260 boost man. Nice. Yeah. Thank you. The pod 1506 01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,510 Dave Jones: versus sending this while listening from Casta pod 1507 01:40:54,510 --> 01:40:57,870 country. The amount is my apartments zip code in Paris. 1508 01:40:59,430 --> 01:41:02,880 How would you say the How would you say the word vo i see i 1509 01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,730 Adam Curry: vo i see it wasI 1510 01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:07,860 Dave Jones: what's the LA boost? 1511 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,630 Adam Curry: Rossi Lobos so he's what he's but he's in France 1512 01:41:12,630 --> 01:41:15,900 he's not in Italy he's not in cast. He's not in cast thematic 1513 01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:19,890 country. No cast pod cast a pod country Oh, okay. Yes, 1514 01:41:19,890 --> 01:41:20,310 Dave Jones: pod 1515 01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:26,160 Adam Curry: war. See likly did Nico la see I'm singing now for 1516 01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:26,850 the frogs. 1517 01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:31,110 Dave Jones: Okay, okay. What does that what does that mean 1518 01:41:31,110 --> 01:41:32,100 voice boost 1519 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:38,040 Adam Curry: means I think it's here's the boost okay, we'll see 1520 01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:41,760 we'll see is it see or hear voices get 1521 01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,040 Dave Jones: Benjamin Bellamy next week he can tell us Oh 1522 01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:44,460 really? Oh 1523 01:41:44,460 --> 01:41:45,390 Adam Curry: that'll be fun. 1524 01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:46,920 Dave Jones: Oh yeah. We 1525 01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,110 Adam Curry: have not and he's these been releasing new 1526 01:41:49,110 --> 01:41:55,410 versions and doing all kinds of stuff non stop on the move wasI 1527 01:41:57,780 --> 01:42:02,820 I thought it was here it is. Let me just see. To preposition this 1528 01:42:02,820 --> 01:42:05,610 is yeah, this is the boost yeah, here is this is the boost. Yeah, 1529 01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:07,920 exactly. What's the what's the low boost. 1530 01:42:08,700 --> 01:42:12,540 Dave Jones: Allen see Paul 2222 through pod verse he says the 1531 01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:17,280 internet was a mistake is the winning quote for 2024. Great, 1532 01:42:17,310 --> 01:42:19,470 great episode throughout especially in working through 1533 01:42:19,470 --> 01:42:22,890 licensed music ownership and burnout. I'm in V for V for the 1534 01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:25,710 long haul over here as musician but I'm taking in as much as I 1535 01:42:25,710 --> 01:42:28,590 can handle at the breakneck pace that this is all developing. 1536 01:42:28,770 --> 01:42:30,960 Can't imagine being on the developer side. 1537 01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:35,219 Adam Curry: Yes. And Alan see Paul is I think he's also in in 1538 01:42:35,219 --> 01:42:39,059 the music chart. He's he must is young in the deck darlings. 1539 01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:40,350 Dave Jones: Who is he? 1540 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,910 Adam Curry: Yes, he is serenity number seven. Nice Yeah. 1541 01:42:44,939 --> 01:42:48,419 Dave Jones: Top 10 deck darling. Yeah, that's right. Karen a mere 1542 01:42:48,419 --> 01:42:51,929 mortals. 2222 through fountain he says Dave Joe for President 1543 01:42:53,789 --> 01:42:56,819 can't lose with a solid country named like that. A real uric 1544 01:42:56,849 --> 01:42:58,229 real American Red Dave 1545 01:42:58,230 --> 01:43:01,200 Adam Curry: Joe, Dave, Joe. Davey, Joe everybody. 1546 01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:07,500 Dave Jones: Linkin Park rules 10,000 sets. To fountain he says 1547 01:43:07,620 --> 01:43:11,490 thank you PSA to all podcasting 2.0 enabled player apps. If you 1548 01:43:11,490 --> 01:43:14,970 have chapter art as a feature, can you ensure that GIFs are 1549 01:43:14,970 --> 01:43:18,120 able to work? It really adds to the experience and allows 1550 01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,720 podcasters to do cool things. Check out the latest episode of 1551 01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,230 action news on the ungovernable misfits podcast feed and 1552 01:43:25,230 --> 01:43:26,880 fountain as an example I saw 1553 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,300 Adam Curry: it it's not only is it cool, it is also guaranteed 1554 01:43:30,330 --> 01:43:31,890 to crash Ford Sync. 1555 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:38,160 Dave Jones: Guarantee guaranteed Yes, your car will stop. 1556 01:43:40,140 --> 01:43:41,610 Adam Curry: will actually work your ignition. 1557 01:43:42,030 --> 01:43:47,220 Dave Jones: Yes. Jeremy Ross sent a sent a bit of this music 1558 01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:49,320 booster in the music part. Jay says nice 1559 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:53,310 Adam Curry: tune 500 says Hi Jeremy to the artist, man. Yep, 1560 01:43:53,340 --> 01:43:54,480 Morris podcast, 1561 01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,149 Dave Jones: Karen coming in again with 1024 kilo boost. He 1562 01:43:57,149 --> 01:44:00,479 says you sent me requested a while ago, Dave that I get on 1563 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:05,129 and get on an alternate view for V for V. Well, I had Trevor bell 1564 01:44:05,219 --> 01:44:07,559 on recently and he gave the devil's advocate. 1565 01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,190 Adam Curry: I haven't listened to it yet. It's queued up. I'm 1566 01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:13,950 Dave Jones: halfway through it Satan's lawyer to value for 1567 01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:17,460 value. Hope you enjoy. Yes, I'm about halfway through it. I've 1568 01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:21,870 got I've got thoughts. Yes, I do. All right. But we were in at 1569 01:44:21,870 --> 01:44:27,690 time today. Comic Strip blogger, the delimiter 28,000 SATs 1570 01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,900 through fountain. He says how do you open source fans Adam and 1571 01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:33,780 Dave. I know that among your audience. There are many open 1572 01:44:33,780 --> 01:44:37,260 source fans who prefer to fiddle with low IQ, large language 1573 01:44:37,260 --> 01:44:42,150 models, LLM on their Linux boxes instead of buying high IQ Gemini 1574 01:44:42,150 --> 01:44:46,470 Ultron or other commercial ones. However, if you pay for or have 1575 01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:52,050 access to GPT plus then please visit www.no agenda gpt.com to 1576 01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:57,630 enjoy my custom GP TS including to about podcasting. 2.0 Yo CSB. 1577 01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:59,760 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's good. It works. 1578 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,870 Dave Jones: Have you used it? 1579 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:06,840 Adam Curry: I have seen it work. I do not pay for my GPT I just 1580 01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:11,040 can't bring I just can't bring myself to use it to pay for it. 1581 01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:15,270 Dave Jones: I can't bring myself to put in my phone number. Well, 1582 01:45:15,300 --> 01:45:17,700 Adam Curry: yeah, I did a bogus phone number and that worked out 1583 01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:22,110 okay, but it's just I just can't remember I have run my own LMS 1584 01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:26,670 at home. You know, it's a little slower, but I'm happy with them. 1585 01:45:27,540 --> 01:45:29,760 Dave Jones: Maybe Maybe I'll put in one of my kids phone number. 1586 01:45:29,790 --> 01:45:30,210 Yeah, 1587 01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:33,540 Adam Curry: there you go. Have Google track your kids Nice. 1588 01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,480 Yeah, I mean, it's not me so it's okay to you sir. TJ the 1589 01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:39,270 raffle just boosted 10,000 SATs Thank you Adam and Dave for 1590 01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:42,480 everything doerfler verse.com can get you to the live stream 1591 01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:46,080 of course your podcasting 2.0 2.0 app if you go to our 1592 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:52,200 feed into the door full verse KTL de que TLD means keep the 1593 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:53,940 lid down. Okay, 1594 01:45:53,940 --> 01:45:56,160 Dave Jones: I suppose ask you what that means. I'm not up on 1595 01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:56,550 that link. 1596 01:45:56,580 --> 01:46:00,780 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Tlt it's that's a Korean the keeper a 1597 01:46:00,780 --> 01:46:07,020 classic. Keep the lid down. Oh, yeah. Keep the lid down. That's 1598 01:46:07,020 --> 01:46:10,650 Dave Jones: right. Everybody gets monthlies got Joseph maraca 1599 01:46:10,650 --> 01:46:17,190 $5 Emilio Kendall Molina $4 Basil Phillip $25. Thank you 1600 01:46:17,190 --> 01:46:21,210 basil. He runs uh, he runs a service of some sort of podcast 1601 01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:24,720 platform type thing and I'm not sure what it is. Let me know 1602 01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:28,470 basil I'm because because he I we accidentally what I had to do 1603 01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:31,770 we start getting hit with bots a lot. So I had to, Oh, 1604 01:46:31,769 --> 01:46:33,959 Adam Curry: yes. I saw his emails. Hey, man. Hey, man, I've 1605 01:46:33,959 --> 01:46:36,149 been blocked. You blocked me. Yeah, 1606 01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:38,250 Dave Jones: that actually got a few emails from different people 1607 01:46:38,250 --> 01:46:43,110 because I had blocked the blocked all the user agent 1608 01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:48,120 strings from the sample code. And it it ended up messing up 1609 01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,510 some people so we got that all sorted out, but I don't remember 1610 01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:54,660 what his service was. If you if you can tell me basal lamina 1611 01:46:55,650 --> 01:47:00,150 Lauren ball $24.20 Mitch Downey $10 Thank you, Chris. For 1612 01:47:00,150 --> 01:47:04,980 harder. Barack $10 Terry Keller, $5 Chris cow and $5 Paul 1613 01:47:04,980 --> 01:47:09,240 Saltzman $22.22. Paul, thank you. You've been around forever. 1614 01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:14,970 Damon Castle, Jack $15 You're in Rosenstein $1. Derek J. Vickery, 1615 01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:20,040 the best podcast name ever. $21. Jeremy gerdts $5 and Michael 1616 01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,280 Hall $5.50. And that's our group. 1617 01:47:23,460 --> 01:47:25,920 Adam Curry: Oh, thank you all so much. And I just checked the 1618 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:30,750 tally coin. Nope, nothing there. But if you want to support the 1619 01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:34,350 podcast, and 2.0 project and the podcast with your value, that 1620 01:47:34,350 --> 01:47:36,780 you return for the value you receive from it all, which is 1621 01:47:36,780 --> 01:47:40,140 the only way we survive. Dave and Adam take nothing at all 1622 01:47:40,140 --> 01:47:43,470 goes into the index into the machines and into the bank 1623 01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:46,260 account and on the node for the node. It's for liquidity for the 1624 01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:48,210 bank accounts to keep it rolling. So we have what do we 1625 01:47:48,210 --> 01:47:52,770 have at least three years we can run at the current run? to three 1626 01:47:52,770 --> 01:47:53,220 years to 1627 01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:54,840 Dave Jones: about three years? Yeah, yeah. So 1628 01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:58,140 Adam Curry: so if we fall down, the project will continue while 1629 01:47:58,140 --> 01:48:03,720 everybody scrambles. And you can go to podcast index.org. At the 1630 01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:06,450 bottom, there's two red donate buttons, one for your Fiat fund 1631 01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:09,390 coupons through Pay Pal, which we of course, appreciate, but 1632 01:48:09,390 --> 01:48:12,750 really going to podcast apps.com Getting a modern podcast app 1633 01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:16,200 filling up your wallet, and boost blasting that in our face 1634 01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:22,020 is what we appreciate the most. Because it really it helps the 1635 01:48:22,020 --> 01:48:24,210 ecosystem gets everything running. Thank you so much for 1636 01:48:24,210 --> 01:48:28,350 supporting us here at podcast index.org podcasting 2.0. 1637 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,380 Dave Jones: That would be interesting. We pay we auto pay 1638 01:48:31,380 --> 01:48:36,510 our bills, most of our hosting through PayPal. So Linode and 1639 01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:40,080 Cloudflare are both paid through PayPal automatically. So it 1640 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:45,540 would be fun if we if we both kicked the bucket. It would be 1641 01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:47,070 funny to see how long how long 1642 01:48:47,070 --> 01:48:48,720 Adam Curry: it would keep running. Yeah, just kidding. 1643 01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,380 Yeah, it would? I think it would, because the bank account 1644 01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:55,830 will say we'll stay valid. just odd. If we need money from 1645 01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:58,260 PayPal, there's automatically pull in from the bank account? 1646 01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:01,080 Dave Jones: I think so. Yeah. That's the backup source funding 1647 01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,350 source, I think. And I bet it would just keep going forever. 1648 01:49:04,350 --> 01:49:04,680 That'd be 1649 01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,960 Adam Curry: cool. To try. Just don't don't do anything. Let's 1650 01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:12,660 see what happens. Yeah. Terrible. We should we should 1651 01:49:12,660 --> 01:49:15,960 check our, our deadman switch to make sure it all works. And of 1652 01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:18,090 course, we're going to release all the information we have on 1653 01:49:18,090 --> 01:49:18,660 everybody. 1654 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:21,480 Dave Jones: As you check the uptime on my freedom controller 1655 01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:24,210 server because I haven't SSH into that box and at least a 1656 01:49:24,210 --> 01:49:24,990 year. Oh, 1657 01:49:24,990 --> 01:49:27,750 Adam Curry: it's, I mean, same with mine. 1658 01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:30,870 Dave Jones: I don't even know what it's doing anymore. It may 1659 01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:35,040 have aI already. If you've developed intelligence, 1660 01:49:35,070 --> 01:49:37,080 Adam Curry: I know you're real busy. If you have a chance to 1661 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,990 find those last enclosure clips for me. 1662 01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,150 Dave Jones: Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, forgot about that. 1663 01:49:42,180 --> 01:49:45,000 It's buried in my email. Yeah, I'll do I'll yeah, 1664 01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:47,670 Adam Curry: I mean, we've got devs who are trying to set up 1665 01:49:47,670 --> 01:49:51,540 all kinds of stuff indexing it, just like hey, man, we're 1666 01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:55,560 missing these clips. Okay. Okay. I'll do that unless you're 1667 01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:01,950 really sorry to pile on work. Sorry. Yeah, hey, boardrooms 1668 01:50:01,950 --> 01:50:04,890 job. Thank you all very much for showing up. It's good to do this 1669 01:50:04,890 --> 01:50:09,810 again next week. We have discussed the pardoning next 1670 01:50:09,810 --> 01:50:13,980 week. Yeah, Benjamin Benjamin. Excellent that that will be fun. 1671 01:50:13,980 --> 01:50:17,970 We can make all our French jokes. I look forward to it so 1672 01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:21,450 much. He's been he's been not just cast the pod but he's also 1673 01:50:21,450 --> 01:50:24,720 been writing articles publishing stuff and big our interview with 1674 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:28,680 James is really pushing. I mean, I I I'm curious to see how 1675 01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,280 France is doing with podcasting. 2.0 They got a lot of problems 1676 01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:32,880 over there. 1677 01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,430 Dave Jones: They do. I mean, like everything's burning. Yeah. 1678 01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:37,470 The middle everything's burning. 1679 01:50:37,470 --> 01:50:39,750 Adam Curry: The farmers are piling crap into government 1680 01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:42,480 houses. I mean, is it's a foreign country. 1681 01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,000 Dave Jones: It's entertaining. 1682 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,540 Adam Curry: I Brother Dave, thank you so much, man. I 1683 01:50:48,570 --> 01:50:51,780 appreciate you for so many reasons. And it's been another 1684 01:50:51,780 --> 01:50:53,790 good week and it's always good chatting with you. Just so you 1685 01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:57,360 know. We don't talk. This is this is when Adam and Dave catch 1686 01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:03,660 up. We got nothing to say to each other is a joke email. Me. 1687 01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:07,890 Everybody. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with 1688 01:51:07,890 --> 01:51:11,520 another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 right here. Till 1689 01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,110 then take care everybody bye bye. 1690 01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:35,100 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1691 01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:39,240 index.org. For more information, go podcast. 1692 01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,900 Adam Curry: Stop thinking about the other side. Stop it