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Adam Curry: Oh, my casting going
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148 slop out. Well, I'm kind of
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even though we're recording this
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it is the official board room
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namespace and of course all the
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social. I'm Adam curry here in
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Country and in Alabama. He knows
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Son say hello to my friend on
the other end ladies and

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gentlemen, Mr. De Jones.

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Dave Jones: So I mean so
literally like one minute ago

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and Brown of London posted on
podcast index dot social, going

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to court in 15 minutes in
Australia to hear the judgement

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from our hearing in the crypto
class action on February 8,

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Tooth Fairy 22 out of three this
year. I don't know what that

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means. Like in 15 minutes. He's
going to be hearing the judgment

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from this lawsuit this been
going on for like my entire

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life.

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Adam Curry: Right? You know,
he's gonna be a billionaire by

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Friday by Saturday. Yeah, yes.
This is the one this is the one

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where he gets rich. I know. I'm
so excited for him.

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Dave Jones: Well, he says listen
in if you want Microsoft teams

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meet your mic and cameras
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Adam Curry: Oh, man, I can't
believe we scheduled a board

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meeting on this particular day.
Can you believe it?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, no, we're just
gonna we're competing with the

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judge in a billion dollar
lawsuit and

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Adam Curry: multibillion dollar
lawsuit. Some of the feeling

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there'll be some kind of
postponement seems like there's

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always something going on with
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Dave Jones: If you're a
billionaire Brian, expect at

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least a donation.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Israeli
billion donation. Yes.

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$1,948,000.

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Dave Jones: Yes.

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Adam Curry: That's a good start
and get started. Hey, brother,

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how you doing?

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Dave Jones: Good. We haven't had
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longtime longtime

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Adam Curry: Yeah, it totally my
fault. I'm speaking in Houston

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this weekend and leaving
tomorrow. actually leaving at

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noon so would have been really
conflicted. I tried to tried to

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change it up and that didn't
work. And this is The Spark

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Ignite conference.

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Dave Jones: In Houston. This
okay the year but you're at home

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now. Oh, yeah. No, I'm home now.
Yeah. Okay. Then the spark

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thing. That's the Christian
podcaster conference. Right.

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Adam Curry: the god caster
conference.

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Dave Jones: So that's where all
the podcasters did together.

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Adam Curry: I don't know all of
them, but a lot of them. Yeah.

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Cool. I know Dave Jackson is
gonna be there. I'm doing a

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panel with them.

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Dave Jones: I think blueberry
goes down there.

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Adam Curry: I know blueberry
sponsoring it. It's kind of

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cool. Because, you know, I've
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Adam Curry: Hi, Eric peepee.
I've never done a keynote for a

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podcast conference. If you can
believe it.

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Dave Jones: Wait, I thought you
did the Go podcasting?

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Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, go
No. Go podcasting was the

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Podcast Awards where I won. The
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audio production award.

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Dave Jones: Wait, you've never
had like a, you invented

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podcast. And here's an award
award.

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Adam Curry: I'm in the Hall of
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what I guess but the first
podcast conference was the New

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Media Expo. And it was it was
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think they had done a couple a
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Media Expo before podcasting
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know, like mp3 players or
something. I don't really

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remember what it was. But then
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conference at the New Media Expo
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Orange, California, Orange
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it's It's something that
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weird idea. But it's Ontario.

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Dave Jones: And that's a Orange
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Adam Curry: it's a little bit
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organizers, and I had pod show
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money to start this podcast
network. And the organizers

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said, Hey, man, you want to do a
keynote? I said, Well, I mean,

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yeah, I guess I mean, I guess
there was around for this for

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the for the creation of this
thing. So why not? I say great.

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You need to send us $20,000 For
gold sponsorship? No, yeah,

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that's exactly. And I'm like,
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will you just raise money, you
should support the community.

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community of supporting your

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conference. And it got it got
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like, well, you know, yeah,
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work is like you you buy a gold
sponsorship, and then you get

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keynote. And I'm like, No, we're
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just raised money to build this.
And we hadn't raised all of our

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money. We had raised, I think
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little bit of money, but we
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was 25 grand in the budget. But
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isn't enough that I'm coming to
speak, won't that bring people

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to your conference? And so it
became so weird that we actually

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went down there and did an
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Dave Jones: Oh, this is the
unconference that you told me

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Adam Curry: and of course, after
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keynote. But also, I refused.
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pay to speak? It makes no sense.
So the only other time I spoke

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at a podcast conference was the
horrible one we did in Dallas,

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where they snuck us in a back
room during lunch, gave us no

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promotion.

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Dave Jones: That's your that's
your podcast Hall of Fame.

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That's what it gets you the
backroom during lunch break.

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Adam Curry: So you know, like,
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so nice, actually came through.
Rob Kirkpatrick who is one of

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the guys over there focused on
the family, which is huge focus

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on the family, and then was have
like, 15 million people

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listening to their podcast, and
he's an advisor for this

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conference. Not big I think it's
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And he said, Hey, man, could I
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me check it out. See what's
going on? And on like, yeah,

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yeah, I'll do this. And it's
like a dinner keynote. They do

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have some awards. I'm not quite
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with that but so yeah, no, I can
do that. I can swing that would

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be kind of fun. And so Tina is
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She's a god caster. And we're
bringing our pastors a net and

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Jimmy their podcasts or Sue's?

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Dave Jones: Everybody's podcast,
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Adam Curry: so they're nominated
for best new podcast best new

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Dave Jones: Killing it but
they're killing it. Oh fountain

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I still have not heard a single
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Adam Curry: Oh man. They're
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always. No. I mean, if you look
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podcast and 2.0 occurring the
keeper gets in there no agenda

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gets in there but sodas living
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Dave Jones: and I'm really I'm
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Adam Curry: I don't found so the
whole idea for me is I want to

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get all of these God casters on
value for value I want to get I

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want them to start thinking
about how do we get worship

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music into that's a Christian
from banned worship as Christian

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Dave Jones: for bands in the in
the faith you have to learn all

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the Christian words that mean
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Adam Curry: what's really weird
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corporate worship music. And
that just sounds so wrong. I

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mean corporate on this in this
case the corporate means you

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know like something you do
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congregation but to me I hear
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commercial corporate like
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Dave Jones: know when when I
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music I envision those like
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where they all have the they
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Adam Curry: hate Sony. Yeah, so
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Yeah. This is this is my value
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keynote is on the future of
podcasting. Well, just so

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happens we've been developing
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Dave Jones: this okay, well,
this this is this is a good

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topic. So I don't listen to
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to I listened to a podcast, I
guess I do listen to one what

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you might call Christian podcast
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create quote unquote Christian
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money? Are they mostly hanging
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Adam Curry: I don't I don't I
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there's I have a feeling there's
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for value for value is So Emmys
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like value I mean this this
literally send value when you

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want what you want. It's like
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it doesn't have to be 10% to
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there this and that. I'd say
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about. Is you know the value for
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Dave Jones: You know, we
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while back of but a buddy of
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who's deep in the Christian
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that guy said, a majority of
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Adam Curry: that's totally
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couple of big churches one in
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couple churches who are really
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they you know, they sell the the
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multitrack so that the worship
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Dave Jones: I was sure. I wish I
could find that clip.

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Adam Curry: I remember, what
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mean, it would be it would have
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Dave Jones: Christian music or
something along those lines, it

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Adam Curry: Christian music
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Unknown: do you happen to know?
Or have you ever thought about

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You're not it's my understanding
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entirely been gobbled up by big
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and that it's really not owned
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any way, shape, form or fashion
and that it's just a money

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making. It's just another stream
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them. But I'll give you a
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quick Google search. And this
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Adam Curry: by the way if this
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podcast today we have work to
do. I mean, what is this memo

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Dave Jones: I did not vouch for
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Unknown: The early 90s If not
the the 80s that corporations

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that would be a dog gobbled up I
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something years ago, but the
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a Christian. I don't know who is
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in a down world where they have
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Dave Jones: Did they play
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Adam Curry: no, not yet. No, the
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have is is one dorsals kid. We
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fun. I'm in Italy, I think it'd
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think it might have been focused
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some deep platforming going on.
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Dave Jones: Oh, I don't I don't
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Adam Curry: Literally. Some
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uninvited from podcast
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you're well if you're Christian,
if You know, if you ask

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Dave Jones: Yes, this is a yeah,
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going on. It's what's funny is,
is how much of this sort of

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censorship out of podcasting is
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hear about, like, write it. It's
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Adam Curry: that's the beauty of
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somebody can't really talk about
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maybe it's Glenn Greenwald.
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Adam Curry: oh, well, I'm glad
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this was about rumble. And, and
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I do have a clip. Hola. Hello. I
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so the, what the, what we were
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they're doing it by going after
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participating in going around
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guess hosting companies to see
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any ads going on there for I'm
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the insinuation is, we're doing
a story. And just like the guy

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from Barstool Sports, Dave
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know, we're doing a story about
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Dave Jones: And you have five
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Adam Curry: Exactly. So here's a
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they are a news organization
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any ads but there's a lot of
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London's Barbican Centre and
HelloFresh and pulled

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advertising from Russell Brand's
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movement found they were
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There's been concerned about the

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assault against for women. He
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approach other brands including
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policies and the BBC is removed
some shows brand made while

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working their Burger King said
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advertising while investigations
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Asus declined to comment but TNM
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their ads this week. Hello Fresh
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Barbican said we've now asked
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site from where our ads appear.
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replied to requests for comment.
Google and brand himself have

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Adam Curry: So you see what
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Dave Jones: They missed they
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say that brand is accused of a
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disappointed.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. So that's,
that's how it works. And that

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and that and you know, they are
clearly I mean, my God, the

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woman the the MP who sent the
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Dave Jones: Dame do whatever day
let's draw it.

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Adam Curry: So that her her
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something which is the psyops
warfare unit of the British

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military. Who also who also did
you know, all the all the COVID

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stuff. So these people are
serious. I mean, these are

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serious people who want Russell
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going to take down rumble or
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about. He switched from substack
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was acquired by Rumble and
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it's not far from it, they open

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a lot. They've gone down
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Dave Jones: Don't invest in
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Adam Curry: No, I mean, I
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but no, no, no, it none of this
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Did you hear the new media show?

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Dave Jones: I hear I heard most
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wondered at the end so have
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it. Oh, the wonder out they were
talking about the, the

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advertising. Yeah, yeah. This is
when he contacted them about

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skimming or something.

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Adam Curry: Well, there's that
part that, you know, Todd is all

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I love, Todd. I can't talk about
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maybe soon I'll let you know.
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really put this all together.
Because he was talking to it's

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all about measurement. And I
guess someone is out there

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trying to do a story and figure
out if podcast companies are

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overstating download numbers.
That's just my cursory

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understanding of what what he
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pops up that the announced the
you know, the news story, that a

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cast was no longer going to work
with Spotify guys. numbers with

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Spotify, audience numbers or
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Dave Jones: And their their
their I think it's the stuff

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that backs megaphone, and
they're that kind of thing,

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Adam Curry: And now they they
announced the partnership, which

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was on last week's pod news
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haven't heard this week's pod
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we're taping this Thursday
evening. So we don't have our

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show prep. But you know, they
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it was all sold under the guise
of all we only do open open

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systems, you know, open this and
has to be open and, and what and

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what the company that they work
with who you know, maybe they'll

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acquire, I guess they do
attribution. What's the name of

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the company Dave? We'll look at
the positives. We've got pod

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scribe, heartless cod something,
pod scribe plays a pod scribe. I

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think they do pixel tracking or
something else. And so they

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basically do numbers and let you
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how they're how the ad
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Dave Jones: last announced this
pod scribe has global global

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preferred attribution partner
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Adam Curry: right, but they
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Todd said something that really
made it all come together in my

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head, he said, you know, Spotify
actually has real numbers. They

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know exactly how many people
have listened. They know what

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they listened to how long they
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they track everything in the
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less than their reporting. Or
maybe more than whatever it is,

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is not the same as what they're
reporting. And I suspect that

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Spotify is numbers show people
aren't really listening. They're

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listening to a little bit, you
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I'm thinking there's trouble in
paradise. And then I hear Todd

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and Rob like, oh, yeah, well, we
had all that fixed. You know, we

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had it all fixed with IAB. And
now it's all complicated. And

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we're back No, 15 years in time.
This thing is breaking apart.

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Dave Jones: I think you're
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could see this coming down
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attribution. So there's a Do you
have my clips from last week? I

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don't know if I clipped the
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from last week that has anything
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Adam Curry: Attribution. Hold on
a second.

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Dave Jones: So there's this
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Adam Curry: how sure it was last
week, because you had podcast

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one stuff.

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Dave Jones: It was there was a
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roundtable. Yes,

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Adam Curry: yes. Yes, I do. I
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fail.

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Dave Jones: That's not it. You
can play that. But that's not

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it. That's good

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Dave Jones: Fail. So this is
this. Yeah. This is dynamic ad

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insertion. So this is from a
podcast called Media roundtable

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put on by Oxford Road, which is
a advertising agency. They help

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people with their podcast
advertising, they. So you could

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say that This podcast, they are
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it should be to they add to
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podcasting 2.0 is to podcast
namespace features should be the

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crown jewel of demonstrating
what is possible and the quality

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of advertising that you can get,

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Adam Curry: you would be able to
do what you'd expect it to be

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Primo, Primo, Primo, but

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Dave Jones: they cut off their
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the rate. And then you can be
right in the middle of telling

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people where to go if they're
interested in the product. So it

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was like, you know, go to AWS
for other kind of shows this,

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this is a this but this show,
they also had this long. And I

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list this, I'm sure that people
are nice there. But this show is

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very boring. Listen, listened to
a lot of it. And they had this.

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conference, I didn't quite pick

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up what conference this was. But
it was a panel on all kinds of

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digital advertising people that
were in one of the panels was on

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attribution. And the they were
talking about using different

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forms of attribution to track
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basically every vert to make,
I'll clip it and bring it next

446
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:35,850
week. But every version of it
was something with some

447
00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,400
roundabout where it's like,
well, this is what we do. And

448
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,430
this is what we've been doing.
And here's how we do it. And

449
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:45,900
here's what we have our
experiences it has been, but

450
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:52,920
really actually it doesn't work.
Every time. It was all like at

451
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,910
the very end, there was a caveat
of you know, but it really

452
00:26:56,910 --> 00:27:02,370
didn't work anyway. So this, all
of the all of this in House of

453
00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:07,830
Cards that's been built on IP
attribution, like one lady was

454
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:12,120
saying that they use one of the,
you know, these tracking pixels,

455
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:18,330
and they use these creepy IP
address sniffers trackers, to

456
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,510
Yeah, or IP brokers. That's what
like these IP addresses,

457
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:24,060
Adam Curry: they can connect
into your credit card.

458
00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:28,110
Dave Jones: And they try to
connect the traffic coming from

459
00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:32,850
your IP address, from a download
over back over to where you

460
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,720
bought something on, you know,
some makeup on a web, you know,

461
00:27:36,750 --> 00:27:42,090
Ulta beauties website or
something. All of this is just a

462
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:45,870
completely flimsy House of
Cards. Nobody. Nobody can

463
00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:51,510
attribute correctly. It's all a
lie. Every bit of it. None of

464
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:54,420
this surprises me at all. I
think you're exactly right. And

465
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,470
there's lots not not be outright
willing. No, it's I call that a

466
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:04,620
fraud. But there is a lot of
people that understand that the

467
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:06,660
numbers are very squishy.

468
00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:10,890
Adam Curry: Yeah, and they vary
from podcast hosting company to

469
00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:14,640
podcast hosting company, it's,
it's a mess. And it's also not,

470
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:17,610
it's not a really great way to
do it. It's just never been a

471
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:20,370
great way to do it. It never
has. And there's all kinds of

472
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:23,430
reasons for it, which we don't
have to delve into it. So they

473
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:25,890
came up with the standard, the
IAB and they wanted to get

474
00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:31,110
certified. But then I think
Spotify really came in and

475
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:37,050
ruined it. Because no one has
da, no one has no time spent

476
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:40,590
listening numbers, except that
are really accurate, you would

477
00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:43,800
presume except Spotify. And you
know, because they're not basing

478
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,760
they're basing off of player
data. And they're selling the

479
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,590
ads into that player data. And
so they have something that is,

480
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:57,300
I think, is unique. And it's a
real problem. And I would say

481
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,710
that is probably the reason why
we got the Oh no, no, we have to

482
00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:05,910
be open and we don't like the
close nature of Spotify. I'm

483
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:10,380
questioning that now. I'm not
wanting to accuse anybody, but

484
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:13,980
for sure there's disparity here.
And that's what Todd love him

485
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:17,280
for it because Todd just we call
them in the old country of flip

486
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:24,000
out. Flip out he just just just
flopped something out, you know,

487
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,960
it's like oh, what's the flip
flops out of Todd's mouth there?

488
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,100
Dave Jones: This is a great
thing about the Dutch language

489
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:36,750
is most is many times the words
are just slightly altered

490
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:41,370
versions of of English word.
It's not flopped out. It's flip

491
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:41,550
out.

492
00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:45,390
Adam Curry: It's flipped out
Yeah. FL ap you it flop out so

493
00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:50,040
it'd be flop flop. flop out. And
there's nothing wrong with it,

494
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,450
but it just I hear that I'm
like, hold on a second. That's

495
00:29:54,450 --> 00:29:59,970
an issue. Now more news from the
Netherlands. Okay. Parliamo so

496
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,570
parliamo is another Swedish
company I guess they raised

497
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:08,010
about 150 million euros. And you
know, they've been going around

498
00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:12,090
Europe and buying up podcasts
and podcast networks and putting

499
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:14,700
it all behind the paywall five
euros a month.

500
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,100
Dave Jones: It's great idea and

501
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:21,360
Adam Curry: a whole bunch of
Dutch podcasters. This was a

502
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,520
newspaper article, a whole bunch
of Dutch podcasters sold into

503
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,430
them and whatever, whatever that
means. I hope they got paid, I

504
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:34,590
don't know, or got some kind of
guarantee. And so they all went

505
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:41,010
behind the paywall. And, lo and
behold, there's no way to get

506
00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:44,130
more Dutch people to listen to
the podcast, because they have

507
00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:48,900
no discoverability. So they
wound up doing this like a tent

508
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:53,250
on a market square, where they
were doing their podcast live

509
00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:57,120
trying to get people to sign up
and subscribe. And so they

510
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,280
literally had to go to the
people live and in person to

511
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:04,950
have people discover them and
they were interviewing people

512
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,650
said oh, you know when went
behind the paywall. Now I just

513
00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:10,590
went on Spotify found some other
podcasts, it was kind of cool. I

514
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:15,270
like that one. But no, not maybe
I'll subscribe to him again. Now

515
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:17,550
that here, they were pretty
good. I like their rants and

516
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:21,510
stuff. But this is the biggest
problem. And this is when you

517
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:26,670
then get into well, here's some
here's some premium stuff here.

518
00:31:26,670 --> 00:31:28,830
But you know, we'll give you a
little bit of give you a little

519
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:33,150
taste here. It doesn't work.
Discoverability has to be open

520
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:36,930
and available. And so I'm just
thinking how flawed this model

521
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:40,380
really is. There's a God and to
get all these popular podcasts,

522
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:43,680
let's say, let's I'm going to be
very generous. Let's say you get

523
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,720
30% like him 10 times value for
value. Let's say you get 30% of

524
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,810
people who are listening to
podcasts for free with ads or

525
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:56,460
not. Who then say okay, I'm
gonna sign up for five euros a

526
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:59,430
month, and I'll get this podcast
and a whole bunch of other ones.

527
00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:04,500
But that's probably a decent
conversion rate. Then what? How

528
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:10,530
do you grow it? You advertise in
the paper? You know? Yes. How do

529
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,950
you grow it? How do you grow
something that has been a

530
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:16,920
popular show, as I understand
taking a popular show behind the

531
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,550
paywall, but that's it, you can
only kind of go down yeah, you

532
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:24,240
might get some people who come
in from other shows. I just

533
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,960
don't see the I just don't see
the multiplier after that. How

534
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,470
do you create discoverability
behind a paywall?

535
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:36,180
Dave Jones: So here, here's an
interesting, okay, this brings

536
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:40,140
this makes me think of
something. And it kind of it

537
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:43,110
ties in with what you were
talking about a while ago.

538
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:49,830
Imagine let's let's let's do a
thought experiment and say that

539
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:56,790
the Obamas Africa with that
Michelle Obama podcast was

540
00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:59,490
called the windows exclusive to
Spotify, Michelle Obama

541
00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:01,440
Adam Curry: podcast, oh, they
should have called us out if

542
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,010
they didn't

543
00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:12,270
Dave Jones: imagine that her
show started out on open RSS on

544
00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:18,390
RSS feeds, and not as an
exclusive in Spotify? Would it

545
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:22,200
have what would the download
numbers have been? Like? Where

546
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,570
would it have ranked in the
charts? In these Rancors? I'm

547
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:31,710
thinking that it would have
ranked pretty high?

548
00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:33,480
Adam Curry: I think so. So it
would they would have gotten a

549
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,300
lot of heat. A lot of people
would have been sampling it out

550
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,930
for sure. You know, they only
had Spotify to rely on they

551
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:42,870
later they remember they did
open it up when they couldn't

552
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:43,950
fill the inventory.

553
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:52,020
Dave Jones: Yeah. And so if the
based on your theory, if it had

554
00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:58,890
been a RSS, podcast,
distribution and not on Spotify,

555
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:05,820
then the numbers would have been
artificially high in RSS world.

556
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,520
And it may not have gotten
canceled, necessarily as soon as

557
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,600
it did. But because Spotify can
see actual numbers for a show

558
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,300
like that. Real numbers not not
fake download numbers. They,

559
00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:25,350
they saw that this show actually
was not being listened to. So

560
00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:27,210
they cut it. They cut it loose.

561
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:30,840
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's
possible. I mean, I think it

562
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,200
came down to the timing of it
was just all financial, you

563
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,230
know, they'd spent so much money
nothing was working. There was

564
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:41,460
nothing was coming back. I think
the Obamas are arrogant, you

565
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:46,380
know? Much like the the more
goals you know, the Harry and

566
00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:49,230
Megan I think they you know,
just arrogant and you know, but

567
00:34:49,230 --> 00:34:51,960
it was what $20 million or
whatever.

568
00:34:52,469 --> 00:34:56,039
Dave Jones: And that is bad
example bad except so let's take

569
00:34:56,069 --> 00:35:02,429
Do you remember that other show?
That Ah, let's, let's break up

570
00:35:02,789 --> 00:35:04,859
the name. I think that's the
name. And let me let me see if I

571
00:35:04,859 --> 00:35:09,329
can find in the index. I think
it's called Let's break up.

572
00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:17,519
Maybe not see, it was a show
that was that that Spotify

573
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:22,619
bought? And took it exclusive
even though that's what that

574
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:27,179
just breakup. I think that's
what it was. Yeah, there it is

575
00:35:27,179 --> 00:35:30,989
just breakup. So they, yeah.
Okay, this is what I thought.

576
00:35:31,019 --> 00:35:33,989
Okay. So it was called Just
break up. They got bought this

577
00:35:33,989 --> 00:35:37,589
was early on during us doing
this show, maybe the first year

578
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:40,829
of our of our show. And we
played clips of it. And because

579
00:35:40,829 --> 00:35:43,649
it was, you know, it was all
funny because they were doing

580
00:35:43,649 --> 00:35:48,089
the Spotify pitch at the time,
which was tell everybody that

581
00:35:48,089 --> 00:35:51,899
they don't need a credit card to
sign up for the app. Yeah, yes,

582
00:35:51,899 --> 00:35:51,989
I

583
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:53,310
Adam Curry: do remember this?
Yes.

584
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,560
Dave Jones: So they, they did
that for like, two months, and

585
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,070
then they went exclusive. They
are now not exclusive anymore,

586
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:08,220
they have gone back to RSS. And
so this again, fits in with what

587
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:12,450
you're saying if they're what
these these shows that have

588
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:18,600
seemingly big download numbers.
And then they and then they get

589
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:23,520
brought into the Spotify
ecosystem where Spotify can see

590
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:27,480
actual statistics on how people
are listening. And they see that

591
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,540
the numbers are actually
dreadful, then, you know,

592
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:33,720
compared maybe not dreadful
overall, but dreadful compared

593
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,910
to what they were supposed to
be.

594
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:39,570
Adam Curry: And I think you're
going to see, they probably

595
00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:43,080
touted. I'm just guessing, we're
just guessing here, they

596
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,700
probably touted all these great
statistics, including time spent

597
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:52,170
listening. And that's where they
lost it. That's where people

598
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:56,130
want out the people and listen
to 10 minutes or half an hour or

599
00:36:56,130 --> 00:37:00,270
an hour of this two hour show.
And you know, yeah, I think it

600
00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:01,500
has something to do with that.

601
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:04,890
Dave Jones: That's a good point.
Yeah, that's spent listening was

602
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:10,230
probably way low. Yeah. They'll
they'll listen to a little bit

603
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:12,690
and then bail out. And they
don't actually get any ads

604
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,620
because they bill, possibly. So
they can't they can't satisfy

605
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:16,680
you

606
00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:19,980
Adam Curry: can't get the
inventory. Whereas if you have

607
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,190
downloads wow, I mean, download,
of course they heard it. Of

608
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:23,970
course, of course, of

609
00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:27,119
Dave Jones: course, just by its
binary, you either have a

610
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,769
download. Exactly,

611
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,250
Adam Curry: exactly. And so all
of this to say that, and I'm

612
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:36,060
really sorry. I mean, I'm not
dancing on anybody's grave here.

613
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:40,530
And I tried this, I tried this,
I tried it, and it didn't work.

614
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:46,890
And I know all the pitfalls, so
I know why it's difficult. And

615
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:51,960
it's just coming apart at the
seams, we had a real beautiful

616
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,510
moment. 2019 Joe Rogan signs
with Spotify, big money,

617
00:37:57,510 --> 00:38:03,150
everyone's all jacked. This is
great pandemic. Everyone's in

618
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:06,900
actually listening went up and
creation of podcast went up and

619
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,380
more big names are signed, and
it's all exciting, and it's all

620
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:14,520
fabulous. And then out comes the
as expected the numbers that

621
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,220
Spotify could not monetize. I
mean, they couldn't make a

622
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:21,750
profit. They could not make a
profit off of this idea, which

623
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:25,950
was let's cut all these. And
let's get all these exclusives.

624
00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:29,550
Let's you know, let's do a hits
based record company, where

625
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,580
we're the record company, the
radio station and the end the

626
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:36,510
store. You know, it just doesn't
it has never worked that way

627
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:42,870
with podcasts. And then moving
forward. This was look, I

628
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:48,480
understand that YouTube wants to
you know, incorporate podcasts.

629
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,220
But to close your podcast app.
What?

630
00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:58,230
Dave Jones: Yeah, I have some
thoughts on this like alright,

631
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:01,110
Google just hates RSS. They
always

632
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,430
Adam Curry: says yes, yeah,
because it's it is the only real

633
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:06,840
competitor to what they do.

634
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:14,790
Dave Jones: You can't google
that. My, in my opinion, goop

635
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:17,880
this lawsuit that they're going
through now

636
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:20,640
Adam Curry: the anti competition
anti competitive lawsuit, the

637
00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:25,050
Dave Jones: the end and then
brought, you know, Brown of

638
00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:26,730
London, they'll finish them off,
but

639
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:28,740
Adam Curry: they're going down.

640
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:34,860
Dave Jones: That the anti
competitive lawsuit is exposing

641
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:39,270
a lot of a lot of stuff. That's
not that digital advertising

642
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:44,070
market is not a healthy market
overall. And for them. I mean,

643
00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:47,730
it works in traditional media
because of the you know, like

644
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:50,760
you've said many times because
of limited ad space,

645
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:53,490
Adam Curry: you can create
artificial demand because you

646
00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:55,170
only have 24 hours in a day

647
00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:58,950
Dave Jones: per channel. So what
the thing that came out in the

648
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:03,450
lawsuit quickly The during
discovery was that Google had

649
00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:07,920
been jacking, jacking up the ad
the ad rates to meet their

650
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,810
quarterly, their quote their
meet their quarterly revenue

651
00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:17,040
targets. And so if they needed
an extra little use of revenue

652
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,300
and all the dials, yeah, turn it
up another 8% on there, because

653
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,390
they they're basically a
monopoly in the ad search in the

654
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:29,130
search ad business. And so this,
this is all coming out. You

655
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:35,190
can't do that in RSS. You can't
do those things. It's low

656
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:39,180
revenue to begin with. They
don't really they've never

657
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:42,780
really had a revenue play. So to
me, they're, they're circling

658
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:47,250
the wagons, not just on on
podcasting, but on all of their,

659
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:51,120
all of their products, really,
their whole, the whole Google

660
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,320
ecosystem. They're now built,
they're now building higher

661
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,580
walls, to keep revenue to keep
their revenue in so that you

662
00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:04,710
like YouTube. If people think
that they that did, if people

663
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:09,990
think that Apple is going to put
a podcast app on Android.

664
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,580
Adam Curry: So hilarious every
single time I hear that, no, not

665
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:19,350
no, they want people to use
their devices. And you know, and

666
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:22,410
they, Apple still has a great
rep for it. You know, here's a

667
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:25,350
podcast app, it comes with the
iPhone people, okay.

668
00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:28,980
Dave Jones: And so they're,
they're not a Google is not

669
00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:33,330
going to spin. They're not going
to lift a finger spend a DOM, on

670
00:41:33,330 --> 00:41:37,740
podcasting, on anything that's
based on RSS, because all they

671
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:40,350
want to do is just funnel you
into YouTube so that they can

672
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:43,920
monetize it and bring it into
their, into their world is they

673
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,170
they get no benefit from RSS.
They don't they this is not the

674
00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:52,590
fact that they cancelled, Google
podcasts is not a surprise. They

675
00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:54,210
don't care and they never have.

676
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,840
Adam Curry: And it's still
baffling to me that they're

677
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,660
putting. I mean, they looked at
Spotify and said, Wow, that

678
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:04,140
worked really well. Let's put
podcasts into our music app.

679
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:05,790
Dave Jones: Yeah,

680
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Adam Curry: I did you not, do
not understand that. And you

681
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,980
know, and as far as I can tell
from their from their blog post,

682
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,180
which is, of course, everyone's
running around, like, Whoa, is

683
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:21,390
what Google's doing this. Google
doesn't talk to anybody doesn't

684
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:24,030
doesn't give interviews doesn't
tell anybody actually what's

685
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:27,390
happening? Certainly not in the
podcasting community.

686
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:32,760
Dave Jones: I think, you know,
it's funny enough, I remember I

687
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480
forget who this was. This has
been a couple of years ago,

688
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,870
somebody was making a comment
about Google. It may have been

689
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:45,300
Paul throt. Whoever this was,
we're saying that nobody really

690
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:50,100
knows what's going on over there
anymore. And hid. I think it was

691
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:56,040
him who said that, in his
opinion. They had been, they

692
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,770
made so much money so fast,
because they I mean, they were

693
00:42:58,770 --> 00:43:05,430
really, they really were the
first true tech unicorn. And I

694
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:08,820
mean, before before Apple, you
know, before Apple came back,

695
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:15,480
and so they they made so much
money so fast, that they just

696
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,010
lost their way. They don't know
what to do. They don't really

697
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:24,450
nobody's in charge. You know, I
don't think they look like a

698
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:29,040
headless ship. 90% of the time.
They feel like, that's for sure.

699
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:34,020
Yeah. And then and this is just
another, you know, they were

700
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:37,110
never going to do anything with
RSS anyway. But just like

701
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:39,630
stepping back even further, and
just looking at them as a

702
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:49,170
company. I mean, I don't see if
I think if I think out 10 years,

703
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,670
I think Google looks I think
they just look like a search

704
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:57,450
engine. I'm not sure anything
else that they do

705
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,270
Adam Curry: bad search engine,
because it only plugs stuff that

706
00:44:00,270 --> 00:44:03,600
is advertised. I mean, it's just
true. We know it's true.

707
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,380
Dave Jones: It's true, like Alta
Vista, champ more and more every

708
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:07,740
day.

709
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,620
Adam Curry: Yeah. And that's
what Google blew out of the

710
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:11,130
water.

711
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:13,560
Dave Jones: And now it's turning
back into that.

712
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,090
Adam Curry: So the next issue
with YouTube music and

713
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:21,480
podcasting, which is the topic
everyone's talking about, it's

714
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:29,190
here to top of pod news. With
the the closure of the app. It's

715
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:33,270
like, well, will they have
passed through, get Dream on?

716
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:37,680
That I had a dream. You're gonna
get no numbers from Google.

717
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:41,310
Yeah, because Google has their
own special metric, which is,

718
00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:45,120
oh, three seconds was listened
to. Yeah, that's a lesson.

719
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,160
Dave Jones: Yeah. Well, Spotify
is 20 milliseconds, or whatever

720
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,820
that is, I

721
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:54,600
Adam Curry: mean, so you know,
so it's, it's just a non

722
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,070
starter. And, and again, I
wonder, Where is the $2 billion

723
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,490
I mean to $2 billion that has to
be just like maybe is that 50

724
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:10,230
podcasts that somehow are
responsible for this? I mean, I

725
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:14,700
hear I hear numbers like, oh,
they have, you know, 500,000

726
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:16,920
downloads a month. Oh, crap, I
got that.

727
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:21,690
Dave Jones: Yeah. Are you? How
many billions did you make this

728
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:21,960
year?

729
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:29,310
Adam Curry: Zeros zeros, like in
Satoshis Satoshis level milli

730
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:29,910
SATs.

731
00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:35,430
Dave Jones: So I think like, if
we look at if we just look at

732
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:42,390
podcasts, they're legitimately
worth what their deal was. I

733
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:47,130
mean, to me, none of Rogan, Joe
Rogan actually is the only one I

734
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:50,700
can think of that probably
bring, he probably drives enough

735
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:52,710
revenue to justify the deal he
got.

736
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:58,260
Adam Curry: I have no idea. I
hear the spots for some reason.

737
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:03,780
Even though I pay for Spotify, I
get the Joe Rogan ads. And

738
00:46:03,810 --> 00:46:06,660
especially watch the video they
stop every like is that every

739
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:10,140
couple of minutes, and the video
goes away. And you get no oh,

740
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:14,670
here's Joe, you often for Look,
maybe that's all localized by

741
00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:18,750
get local Austin companies. And
I'm not necessarily getting I'm

742
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:22,950
not hearing BMW know what I
mean. But he was very important

743
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:26,100
for the stock price. He did
great for the stock price. I

744
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,290
mean, if you look at their
chart, it's very suppressed

745
00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:31,350
right now compared to what it
was. But I mean, he added

746
00:46:31,350 --> 00:46:36,180
billions of dollars of market
cap and thus, you know,

747
00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:37,770
perceived value to the company.

748
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,130
Dave Jones: And I think he's, I
don't think they can get out

749
00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:43,890
from under that. I think the
next time when he comes up for

750
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:47,220
renewal, I think they re up that
show, because if they lose him,

751
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:51,480
it will have an equally down
pressure on that stock price. It

752
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,660
will take it surely it will take

753
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,030
Adam Curry: you know, this is
something that I don't discuss

754
00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:01,980
with Joe. Right. I'm kind of
pissed off. You sent me a text

755
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:06,930
today. Hey, do you want to race
cars at the at the racing track

756
00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:07,590
on Monday?

757
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,340
Dave Jones: Yeah, you do that as
always? Yes. Right. Yeah.

758
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:12,090
Unfortunately,

759
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:14,460
Adam Curry: I'm already
committed to some stuff. So I

760
00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:18,570
can't like the worst thing is
like, hey, we can write real

761
00:47:18,570 --> 00:47:26,580
racing cars come hang out like,
oh, I have a feeling have bases

762
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:30,270
on nothing. But I think I mean,
he's got to be up for renewal

763
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:37,620
soon. I have a feeling that
He'll do whatever. Well,

764
00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:39,900
firstly, he can do whatever he
wants. I think he loves the

765
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:44,070
relationship. It doesn't matter
how much or how little money may

766
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,230
be the only give him the ads. I
don't know. I don't think he

767
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:50,430
cares. He wants to have this
market. He loves doing it. At

768
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:53,250
this point, he really doesn't
have to work for money,

769
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,610
obviously. But you know, he I
think he only had to deliver

770
00:47:56,610 --> 00:48:00,690
like three Shows a week and he
does five. I love it. I just

771
00:48:00,690 --> 00:48:03,360
love it. I just I just love
having all the guests here. I'd

772
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,640
love talking to everybody. to I
don't think they'll renew it to

773
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,760
that. No one really actually
knows the numbers, you know,

774
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,520
every like, Oh, it's
100,000,200. I've heard 300

775
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,230
million. Nobody knows. Nobody
knows. And, and Joe and I just

776
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,800
don't talk business that way.
But yeah, I would never ask is

777
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,520
rude. I don't care. You know, he
seems happy. That's all I care

778
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:26,940
about.

779
00:48:27,569 --> 00:48:32,039
Dave Jones: And I would I would
think, I guess I guess my let me

780
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:37,439
say it this way. Regardless of
actual numbers. I think he's

781
00:48:37,439 --> 00:48:40,829
worth more to them now than he
was when they first signed him.

782
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:44,940
Adam Curry: They never talk
about him. That's the thing.

783
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:47,670
He's never in a press release.
They never talk about him. He's

784
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:53,400
never in any campaigns for
investors or otherwise. That's

785
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,830
the part that makes me that
makes me question what you're

786
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:57,420
saying is like, if hit

787
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,770
Dave Jones: if the headlines hit
that Joe Rogan least Spotify?

788
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,310
Yeah, I'm with you on that that
would be a dog gets massacred?

789
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,180
Adam Curry: Well, especially if
you have I mean, if Google

790
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:15,570
Google music, if they said, Hey,
Joe, come over here. I don't

791
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,110
know. I don't know. I have no
idea. It doesn't really matter.

792
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,090
Because that's he's an anomaly.
That's something that's, you

793
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:29,970
know, he's a some crazy force of
nature. I don't think we'll ever

794
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:34,800
see anything like that again.
But it's also not what the what

795
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,620
podcasting is podcasting is what
we're doing. Podcasting is what

796
00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:45,210
is you know, it's it's gonna be
your your little group here. We

797
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:51,330
have to get over this number one
rancor type of mentality. Right.

798
00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:54,810
It's like, what do you need to
do what you do and that's for

799
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:59,550
me, that's no agenda. I mean, we
keep doing it. People keep

800
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:03,150
sending back Are you? We've
built it up over, it'll be 16

801
00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:07,800
years in October. I do a lot
more stuff, but I'd be perfectly

802
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,760
happy if that's all I did in my
life. Because I have a dog, I

803
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,910
have a wife, you know, the kids
are okay. You know, if they need

804
00:50:14,910 --> 00:50:18,270
a couple bucks, you know, they
can't make the rent, I can help

805
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:22,860
them out. That's life. That's
beautiful. I don't have to worry

806
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:23,880
about staff.

807
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:29,130
Dave Jones: Staff, nobody wants
to worry about staff. So that's

808
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:30,180
not fun. And that

809
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:32,880
Adam Curry: and that, to me is
is what podcasting is so

810
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,810
beautiful at. Yeah, so I don't
need to make a pitch for value

811
00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:39,930
for value, but you understand
what I'm saying? Yeah, I

812
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:41,910
Dave Jones: totally do. And
that's a great and that's a

813
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:46,590
perfect thing for the spark, you
know, for executive podcasters

814
00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:50,190
because most of them I would
imagine 99% of Christian

815
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:54,450
podcasters are not doing it for
for the for a business they're

816
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:59,070
doing it out of a ad because
they enjoy it. And because it's

817
00:50:59,070 --> 00:51:02,460
something they want to do for
some reason in their life. They

818
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:02,700
want to

819
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:05,490
Adam Curry: do it for God, I
guess but we got a who sent this

820
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:11,160
dovie das who's listening to our
says blue.com Everybody 15,000

821
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,390
SATs, he says talk to a church
that does I guess he he has a

822
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:18,870
client, maybe talk to her church
does a prayer podcast, even V

823
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:22,380
for V is difficult, because you
need to ask for value, which may

824
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:26,190
ruin the experience similar to
RSS music, we need to we need

825
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:30,000
ways to ask for value outside of
the episodes themselves. So

826
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:33,180
there's a couple things there.
So I just want to say one I

827
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:40,170
disagree. Church passes around a
plate or a basket or a bucket or

828
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:47,580
whatever. And and there's there
is an implicit ask. And what I

829
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:51,570
love about value for value is
the booster grabs it's it's the

830
00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:56,070
feedback mechanism. He I mean,
you you give you give people

831
00:51:56,970 --> 00:52:02,820
responses to their booster
grams. I've heard pastors Jimmy

832
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:06,000
and Annette, do it. I hear them
do it. And it was hard for them.

833
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:09,630
So they're not really saying
Hey, pay our rent, which you

834
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:13,020
know, which I've never done on
no agenda either, necessarily. I

835
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:15,780
said all I know I can do keep
doing the show. If I can pay my

836
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:22,380
rent, then RSS music. I think
we've cracked that code. The

837
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:27,540
artists don't have to ask for
it. The podcasters do it for

838
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:33,270
them. I am literally shilling
for the artists. And it's it to

839
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:36,090
me it's great value, I get a
little piece but I also get to

840
00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:39,570
do a show with music. Thank you
for letting me play your music.

841
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,230
Now people go and support them.
I am not a big believer in and

842
00:52:46,260 --> 00:52:49,230
from there. I think people you
know like the way fountain does

843
00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:52,170
you subscribed. them quite do it
that way. But I think fountain

844
00:52:52,170 --> 00:52:54,510
should make it that way. Or
every app should make it that

845
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:59,160
way. Here's the songs played in
this show. Now you can easily

846
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,550
subscribe to this artist. And
then when the artists add

847
00:53:02,550 --> 00:53:05,730
something, it should pop up just
like a new episode does. Oh,

848
00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:07,770
there's new music from the
doorbells, which would be every

849
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:14,460
hour. And then you know, and I
still have my streaming number

850
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:18,690
set. So when I'm listening, I'm
streaming and if I dig a track,

851
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:23,460
I'll boost it. And then and
there and we already have the

852
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:29,790
thing. Steven B's emporium of
apps has the you know the reply

853
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:32,490
to system already set up. We
don't have but you know, I can

854
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,200
see this working, I can see
reply twos you know, so the

855
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,380
artists can reply to you. So the
booster gram mechanism, this is

856
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:49,440
a beautiful thing. So and it's,
you're going to do better, with

857
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,320
podcast playing you and people
discovering you and then

858
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,040
subscribing to you to your album
to you as an artist or whatever

859
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,980
it is that you're going to do in
any other system right now.

860
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,850
People just aren't making money
on the music they're making. I

861
00:54:02,850 --> 00:54:07,380
mean, why is Beyonce still
touring? Yeah, okay. Yeah,

862
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:11,310
because she just loves it cuz
she loves it now. Because that's

863
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:12,420
where the money is. Yeah.

864
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:16,680
Dave Jones: That is speaking
speaking of. Can we divert?

865
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:19,710
Yeah, sure into the into top 100
talk for a second.

866
00:54:20,129 --> 00:54:23,339
Adam Curry: Are you kidding me?
Top 100 Talk is my middle name.

867
00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:28,020
Dave Jones: The top 100 has way
more than 100.

868
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:31,920
Adam Curry: Yes. And I realized
why? Because you have so many

869
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:32,580
ties.

870
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:39,150
Dave Jones: Is that correct?
Well, well, it's only pull it

871
00:54:39,150 --> 00:54:39,300
up.

872
00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:42,780
Adam Curry: We have almost 200
nodes the top coming in at

873
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:49,170
number 187 of the top 100 this
week. I don't know if it's I

874
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:54,120
think it's hilarious. Sometimes
I saw 97 Or like at the top 197

875
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:54,930
entries this week.

876
00:54:55,470 --> 00:55:00,000
Dave Jones: So Ron Ron Plouffe
third cousin, married to Dave

877
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,300
Employee of the Obamas conveyed
to me that he said this is going

878
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:10,770
to become a problem, this top
100 is going to become more and

879
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:16,320
more is going to go way, way
beyond top 100. If the in if

880
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,570
your entry floor into the top
100 is only one boost. So

881
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,200
everybody, if you even get a
single boost, you're in the top

882
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,530
one, you know you're in this
chart. And because I did not

883
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:30,420
give it a hard upper limit of

884
00:55:30,450 --> 00:55:36,750
Adam Curry: 100, but can't you
just say 100 and 101? is you're

885
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:37,620
not on the chart?

886
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,490
Dave Jones: I could we could 100
We could say

887
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:45,450
Adam Curry: unfortunately then
numbers, lots of music. And I

888
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:58,140
was gonna say number 90 through
number 101 117. Just 27 songs

889
00:55:58,140 --> 00:56:02,460
all have the same amount for
four boosts. Right, that's where

890
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:05,280
you run into trouble, I guess
because it's it's basically it's

891
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:05,850
a tie.

892
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:15,120
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And so
he Okay, he said, the median

893
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,740
number of the median number of
booths is still five. As it's

894
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:22,920
been all week. Also, just as
another reference point, the sum

895
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,740
of the booths for titles, one
101 through 195 only represent

896
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:34,740
12% of the sum of all the boosts
in one through 195. This math is

897
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:38,010
hurting my brain. What does that
mean? It's nine o'clock at

898
00:56:38,010 --> 00:56:38,460
night.

899
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:40,980
Adam Curry: What is the what is
this mean? What is this this

900
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:42,090
wicked math mean?

901
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:46,860
Dave Jones: So he's saying that
basically there's a by the time

902
00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:51,510
you get to one a 101 the whole
entire rest of the chart is only

903
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:56,520
12% of the total of booth booths
counts. So the total number of

904
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:04,050
booths for the entire chart is
2072 but 101 through 195 Only,

905
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,200
it only covers 12% of that,
which doesn't bother Is this the

906
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:16,890
thing is like I don't necessary
if I scroll down here to one,

907
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:21,180
let's just say 154 Maybe that's
a great song.

908
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:24,870
Adam Curry: Well, this is my
point. I've never seen this as a

909
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:32,610
gold star. To me, this is a
discovery mechanism. Again, I

910
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:36,270
get when I start when I get on
Mondays when I get ready to do

911
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:39,690
booster Graham ball. I go into
number of places and one of them

912
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:45,030
is definitely this top 1000 And
I'm like oh I don't know this

913
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:47,430
song. It got some boosts click I
want to see what this is. Oh, I

914
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:51,000
know this. Okay, this only has
four boosts because as you know

915
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,250
there hasn't been played any
more for a while so I understand

916
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:58,440
why that's kind of going down.
Now. The thing that I think is

917
00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:04,560
not a problem, but it looks
weird is so numbers. No offense

918
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:10,680
TJ numbers 9293 94 is all sir TJ
the raffle. So that just leaves

919
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,270
you with a banjo that just looks
kind of weird on a chart

920
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Dave Jones: is because somebody
went in there boosted the album

921
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,770
as they were listening to the
piano. I

922
00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:24,390
Adam Curry: understand. I
understand. Yeah. So did were

923
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:24,690
there any

924
00:58:25,410 --> 00:58:27,480
Dave Jones: freaks me out a bit?
The chicken the mass? That's a

925
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:27,810
little

926
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:35,250
Adam Curry: George T drag, huh?
So what do we want to do about

927
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:36,420
it? Anything? Nothing.

928
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:41,910
Dave Jones: We don't do anything
about anything really? Do we

929
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:43,050
actually do things about?

930
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:45,870
Adam Curry: We don't do
anything? We try not to? Let's

931
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:50,280
not do any work. But did Plouffe
have any suggestions?

932
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:55,440
Dave Jones: He said focus hard
on the South Carolina primary.

933
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,700
Okay, sure. No, he didn't know
he's he did not. He did not have

934
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:09,960
any suggestions. I think. I
don't know. I think it's cool

935
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:16,680
for now. I mean, I like having
lots of stuff on this list. It

936
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:25,200
feels better to me, to to have
when there's lots of things on

937
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,030
here. To me that's more
important than how many boosts

938
00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:36,390
anything gets. Yeah. Because it
just shows the quantity of stuff

939
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:42,510
and all of this stuff has good
album art. Like, I don't know,

940
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:46,260
this is just a good looking.
This is an impressive list of

941
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:49,260
the quantity of music that's
available value for value now

942
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:50,700
and I like the feel of that.

943
00:59:50,759 --> 00:59:54,509
Adam Curry: I'm with you on
that. Now I'm comparing to the

944
00:59:55,919 --> 00:59:57,749
wavelength top 40

945
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Dave Jones: And um, how many how
many does their tough 40 have on

946
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,210
it?

947
01:00:03,390 --> 01:00:04,950
Adam Curry: That's funny enough
40

948
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:08,909
Dave Jones: Because they some
other people know what they're

949
01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:11,219
doing. Don't know what we're
doing well, no,

950
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:13,830
Adam Curry: they only they only
can do a chart of music that's

951
01:00:13,830 --> 01:00:18,600
on wavelike and we have we got
all the crazy people. Everything

952
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,490
that's out there is audio and
video. Stephen B's app Emporium.

953
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,150
I mean he does all this a lot of
a lot of self hosted music.

954
01:00:27,150 --> 01:00:32,640
People are helping each other
out. So here I see Skrill a

955
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,210
bobcat? Which I learned is
actually Bobby shell.

956
01:00:36,690 --> 01:00:39,210
Dave Jones: How about that? Oh,
as a pin net. He's got a

957
01:00:39,210 --> 01:00:39,900
pseudonym.

958
01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:42,840
Adam Curry: No, no, that may
just just different. Hey, I

959
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,240
think that's interesting,
actually is that one guy is

960
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,350
multiple artists. So look at the
top three. Number one. Blind to

961
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:53,280
you. scrilla bobcat. Number two
paperboy featuring scrilla

962
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,150
Bobcat number three Bobby shell
with a song. I haven't even

963
01:00:57,150 --> 01:01:02,700
heard beef steak and trade
wives. Trad wives. So now and

964
01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:07,710
let me see how many stats does
this have? 180,000 for the new

965
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:15,870
Bobby show. scrilla Bobcat
number. See that has 241 So what

966
01:01:15,870 --> 01:01:20,190
I'm smelling here is because
they're not doesn't even show

967
01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:29,940
up. Let me see Bobby show. Bobby
shell. So that new song isn't

968
01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:34,020
even hasn't even been played on
podcast. So the stakes

969
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:37,230
Dave Jones: and tread tread one.
Yeah. It's in the index.

970
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:39,000
Adam Curry: Prom shirts in the
index.

971
01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:41,160
Dave Jones: I see it. Yeah, just
pulling it out. Now if we

972
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:43,830
Adam Curry: look at scrilla

973
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,300
Dave Jones: scrilla in Manila.

974
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,970
Adam Curry: scrilla has. Okay,
the top scrilla lying to you is

975
01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:59,220
currently number 28. So 919
boosts? Okay, that seems

976
01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:04,050
possible. So I think what we're
seeing here is exactly the

977
01:02:04,050 --> 01:02:08,490
problem we wanted to avoid is
that you can come in with a big

978
01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:11,310
baller boost and put someone on
the top chart, which could stay

979
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:17,280
there for weeks, because you
send 500,000 sets. Whereas the

980
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,630
number of actual participating
people, I find much more

981
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:27,150
exciting. So if I look at Nate,
John 769 booths that's that's a

982
01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:31,770
lot. Yeah, and I know that I row
in exile. I know they're

983
01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,770
popular. I know that people are
playing them. So it's totally

984
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:40,860
it's two different things. But I
like our chart, I go down this

985
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:44,430
all the time. And then Ellen
beach.com from Steven B's app

986
01:02:44,430 --> 01:02:45,180
Emporium.

987
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,000
Dave Jones: The curio cabinet of
apps is

988
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:53,760
Adam Curry: you know, you throw
that thing on. On random and an

989
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,930
Off it goes and it plays the
whole top top 100 200 songs.

990
01:03:00,450 --> 01:03:07,680
Dave Jones: So so we just
renamed we just it's a top 100

991
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:11,640
Maybe we should rename it to top
100 And something

992
01:03:12,570 --> 01:03:15,480
Adam Curry: something top 100
events.

993
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:22,260
Dave Jones: Man more. Yeah.
Well. Yeah. So one thing about

994
01:03:22,260 --> 01:03:25,500
the one other thing about the
chart and then we can move on,

995
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:33,930
is you know, it really feels odd
to have this chart with all this

996
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:39,240
that looks so nice and is
telling you about all this music

997
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,100
and not be able to listen to the
music.

998
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Adam Curry: Yes, this is this is
a very big problem. I agree

999
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:49,410
because but I don't necessarily
be an app. Exactly. I don't want

1000
01:03:49,410 --> 01:03:53,910
us to be a destination. I love I
love Steven but that's why you

1001
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:58,560
made OPML and JSON and and
whatever versions.

1002
01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:04,110
Dave Jones: So here I've got an
idea. What if we made it where

1003
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:08,700
you can just do like a sample? A
little, a little play button

1004
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:13,620
where you can hear like 10
seconds. Is that still not a

1005
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:14,220
good idea?

1006
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:17,850
Adam Curry: I don't I can't even
tell you why. I mean this to me

1007
01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:22,380
is just, this is just a place
where you can see it. I want

1008
01:04:22,380 --> 01:04:26,490
people to go to lm beats.com I
want people to see the top 100

1009
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:33,540
And by the way, maybe LM beats
chops it off at 100 Why doesn't

1010
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:37,200
fountain show the top I mean I
know why but I would love to see

1011
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,720
it and fountain I'd love to see
it in pod verse. I'd love to see

1012
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,360
it all over the place. I want it
to be exported. I don't think

1013
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:47,940
the minute we start doing little
bits and bobs. I think we just

1014
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:50,520
run we just make trouble for
ourselves because then you know

1015
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,440
you're doing that. Well. You
might as well add the boost

1016
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,610
capability

1017
01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:57,210
Dave Jones: that I want. You
know what I mean? Yeah, I don't

1018
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:59,970
want it Okay,

1019
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,640
Adam Curry: I don't and I don't
want to compete with the with

1020
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,930
the Steven B Emporium.

1021
01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:06,510
Dave Jones: I don't want to
compete with the ABS either. And

1022
01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:10,350
that has been like that has been
competing with ABS has been the

1023
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:15,840
has been anathema to everything
that we believe in since day

1024
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:21,120
one. We will never compete with
ABS on on this play on this

1025
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:28,080
ground. So, but here's the
issue. Right now, the link, if

1026
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,320
you click on a song takes you to
the podcast into and then you

1027
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,700
can listen there. And you can
listen and boost. That's not

1028
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:40,890
That's not good. We want to push
people to apps. And how do so

1029
01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:46,710
how do we do after we send
people to apps? Well, I because

1030
01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:48,600
without playing favorites, too,
right?

1031
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,680
Adam Curry: I don't know how
many people I mean, we set this

1032
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:56,190
that well, let's just stay with
the app part. Okay. I think if

1033
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:59,040
anything, we did this for
ourselves. I just want you to

1034
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,560
like, hey, what about this
pocket? Okay, yeah, here it is,

1035
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,750
I'm gonna listen a little bit,
okay, good. Just just to confine

1036
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:07,860
it, find the RSS feed, you know,
find out information about the

1037
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:12,600
split. I do not listen to
podcasts on podcasts. index.org,

1038
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,130
I may just check something out.
But you know, the play button is

1039
01:06:17,130 --> 01:06:20,940
just there. And, you know, and,
and because of value for value

1040
01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:23,940
being new. And you know, we
that's why the boost capability

1041
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:28,710
was added. And this is all kind
of legacy stuff. But I would

1042
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:31,680
love nothing more than in the
future to turn all that off.

1043
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,290
Well, I know we shouldn't even
we should just shut down the

1044
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:43,470
website. Just be an API and kill
it. Headless index,

1045
01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:45,570
Dave Jones: headless Drupal,
we're gonna run it on a headless

1046
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:51,780
Drupal, the so I agree. And the
only thing that, to me the I

1047
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:56,820
think 90% of what people do with
our website when it comes to

1048
01:06:56,820 --> 01:07:03,450
boosts is, hey, if you don't
have a podcast and 2.0 app, go

1049
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:06,720
boosters through the podcast
index. Yeah, like it's a

1050
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,440
fallback.

1051
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:10,290
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. But
it's, we've never promoted it,

1052
01:07:10,290 --> 01:07:10,860
per se.

1053
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:18,960
Dave Jones: No, no, no. But so.
So how do we, I just some, I

1054
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,930
just don't like that it goes to
our website. And I don't know

1055
01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:25,200
how to make that not happen. But
what what goes to our website,

1056
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,370
the when you click on a on a
click or tap on a song, on a

1057
01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:33,540
song in the chart, I just feel
like that should go to an app.

1058
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:36,150
And I don't know how well I
don't know how to do that in a

1059
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:37,200
in a real way.

1060
01:07:37,890 --> 01:07:45,000
Adam Curry: Instead of instead
of worrying about that. I would

1061
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:51,510
just prefer to focus LM beads
great out of the gate. I tell

1062
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:54,390
people all the time on booster
grand ball go to M and beach.com

1063
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:58,650
you can see everything there. I
try not to and I know I'm

1064
01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:01,530
contradicting myself because I
use the URL podcast index dot

1065
01:08:01,530 --> 01:08:06,000
top. I don't even know if
anyone's going there or not. I

1066
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,620
would much more I would prefer
to not do anything and just

1067
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:15,060
help. We're not a destination.
We're just not we're not a

1068
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:18,690
destination for podcast. We're
not a destination for for

1069
01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:21,780
anything. And we haven't really
positioned ourselves. So the

1070
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:26,520
fact that is there to me is just
part of our development. And

1071
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,520
what we want to encourage in us
like people said, Hey, you can

1072
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,610
get V for V Music dot music and
like, what am I going to do with

1073
01:08:32,610 --> 01:08:36,450
that? I don't want to be V for
view V dot music, you can get

1074
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:40,950
music index Doc, I don't want to
be that. I want the apps in the

1075
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:46,320
service. That's what I want that
to be not us. Because before you

1076
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,170
know, and we have to do takedown
requests, and God knows what

1077
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:52,110
else I don't want any part of
any part

1078
01:08:52,109 --> 01:08:54,689
Dave Jones: of that. We build
things that help other people

1079
01:08:54,689 --> 01:08:55,889
build things that people use.

1080
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,590
Adam Curry: Now there's a bumper
sticker podcast index, we build

1081
01:08:58,590 --> 01:09:01,470
things that help other people do
things. They what what was

1082
01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:06,090
Dave Jones: that this bumper
stickers are too big strapping

1083
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:06,420
around, this

1084
01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:10,110
Adam Curry: is a T shirt,
podcast index, we build things

1085
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:12,060
that other people use to build
things that are cool that we

1086
01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:12,300
like,

1087
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:14,370
Dave Jones: okay, something like
yes, yes, something like that.

1088
01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:15,390
It's a

1089
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,820
Adam Curry: so for me, it was
just it was an interesting

1090
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:21,690
experiment to set this up. And
we're not done yet. Because

1091
01:09:21,690 --> 01:09:24,180
there's still development, it
gives us a place to look and to

1092
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:28,260
feel okay, now we've identified
some things like this top 100.

1093
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:31,920
Okay, it's the top 200. Now,
we're not quite sure what to do

1094
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:32,370
with it.

1095
01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:34,770
Dave Jones: Now we're not
stopping at 200 we're blowing

1096
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:36,810
the lid off. He could keep on
going.

1097
01:09:37,109 --> 01:09:39,389
Adam Curry: I mean, the easy
thing to do is tighten up seven

1098
01:09:39,389 --> 01:09:41,789
days to five days, see what
happens stuff will fall off

1099
01:09:41,789 --> 01:09:46,769
quicker. But again, for me this
this is development. This is not

1100
01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:49,859
a product, the product, you
know, the product needs to be

1101
01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:54,239
built by the apps. And so we're
just offering this and you know,

1102
01:09:54,329 --> 01:09:59,219
and please do with it what you
can I mean, hosting companies

1103
01:09:59,219 --> 01:10:01,529
should be ingest In this hey,
here's a whole bunch of songs

1104
01:10:01,529 --> 01:10:03,809
you can see how popular they
are. Play them in your podcast

1105
01:10:03,809 --> 01:10:05,819
with the with the wallet
switching technology.

1106
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,610
Dave Jones: Oh, Steven bass says
sin the top 100 to the link in

1107
01:10:11,610 --> 01:10:17,520
the feed. That's opposite Yeah,
that's an option to the one to

1108
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,730
the link in the feed. You know
how you can you can you can use

1109
01:10:20,730 --> 01:10:24,030
the link element and the RSS to
link to your own, you know, to

1110
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:26,250
the homepage of the episode so
to speak.

1111
01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:32,340
Adam Curry: Again, I don't think
we should spend another minute

1112
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:38,070
on on the on the web page other
than just what it is now. So we

1113
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:43,260
can just look at as developed as
a development. Like a console.

1114
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,510
Dave Jones: Here, maybe this?
Yeah.

1115
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,340
Adam Curry: Yeah. I mean, all
this all these ideas, build it

1116
01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:58,230
in your apps people. Built How
about this build an app

1117
01:10:59,250 --> 01:11:03,630
Dave Jones: where we still don't
have a name. We have PW A's. We

1118
01:11:03,630 --> 01:11:06,240
have we have Ellen Bates and pod
fans.

1119
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,750
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I have
Ellen beats I have Ellen beats

1120
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:13,800
as a PWA on my Windows desktop.
It's beautiful.

1121
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:16,770
Dave Jones: Though I did do that
put it I have it on my bun icon

1122
01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:17,190
right there on

1123
01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:20,370
Adam Curry: the desktop. Me and
I go into CNC Oh, but here's I

1124
01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:24,090
use all kinds of new new radio
shows. I got the Black Cat

1125
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:27,360
music. I see I've been relegated
to the bottom. Thanks, Steven B

1126
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:32,580
booster grand ball all the way
to the bottom. Want. Wow. Let's

1127
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:39,960
see the top 100 100 the top 100
Is is all is indeed it's also

1128
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,030
192 Ellen beats.com. But that's
yeah, that's it. That's a sexy

1129
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:48,330
kind of thing. I mean, that's,
that's where I think it needs to

1130
01:11:48,330 --> 01:11:52,110
be. And Stephen has nice little
play buttons and and you set up

1131
01:11:52,110 --> 01:11:57,030
your your wallet so that you can
stream or I think I have it set

1132
01:11:57,030 --> 01:12:01,590
up after you play the song I
send 1000 SATs. Now, what is

1133
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:05,520
this little feedback? But oh,
that's a loop button. As well

1134
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,390
here wallet. Here we go. Yeah.
So we need more of those.

1135
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:15,210
Dave Jones: Okay, I have an idea
of how to fix this. And I know

1136
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:17,970
exactly what to do to fix this
or should fix our count and to

1137
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:22,140
fix our count problem. I just
figured it out. Okay. I'm just

1138
01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:25,230
gonna do it. And then we'll talk
about it. Okay, good surprise.

1139
01:12:25,770 --> 01:12:26,400
Yeah, like,

1140
01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:31,590
Adam Curry: like Christmas and,
and a wave like, they've now

1141
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:37,200
become a destination. I think
that's a shame. You know, we're

1142
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,790
the only this indication out is,
is really at this point to us.

1143
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:46,560
And then people get it from us.
And I think I have high hopes

1144
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,000
for pod fans. You know, to start
creating communities around the

1145
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:51,660
artist,

1146
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:53,940
Dave Jones: basically building
an app though.

1147
01:12:55,950 --> 01:12:57,300
Adam Curry: The app they have?

1148
01:12:58,139 --> 01:13:00,329
Dave Jones: Yeah, like they're
they're an app. Yeah. I mean,

1149
01:13:00,329 --> 01:13:05,249
they're an app. And a host to
him is sort of like dystopia.

1150
01:13:05,459 --> 01:13:08,009
dystopia is that way too.
They're an app and a host?

1151
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,520
Adam Curry: Well, that there's I
mean, if if you're gonna be an

1152
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,890
app, then you're missing a lot
of features.

1153
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:16,950
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think
they're, I think they're just

1154
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:21,060
turning the corner because you
know, they had to pivot. That's,

1155
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:23,280
that's the wrong way to say it's
not pivot. That's not what I

1156
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:28,170
mean. But like, they started,
they started with one idea. And

1157
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:31,500
then our, you know, ours, they
they moved into RSS, I think

1158
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:36,930
they're still trying to catch up
with things and, and I think I

1159
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:40,500
see their strategy. And, you
know, I'm hopeful for what

1160
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:42,720
they're doing. I think I think
it makes I think it makes some

1161
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:50,310
sense for them. And that, and I
just don't I want, I just wrote

1162
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:55,110
careful about us becoming an
accidental destination. In

1163
01:13:55,170 --> 01:13:58,140
Adam Curry: biometrics. We've
known with you. That's why I'm

1164
01:13:58,140 --> 01:14:02,370
like, don't let's not do spend
another second on that page.

1165
01:14:02,970 --> 01:14:07,290
Yeah, no, it is what it is. And
I just want to encourage app

1166
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:11,160
developers to ingest the data,
do something creative with it,

1167
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:17,010
give us ideas, what endpoints Do
you want? What do you need? Now,

1168
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:22,560
sift and shift and do whatever,
to have this make sift and shift

1169
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:27,180
and gets a show title? To have,
you know, to make it make sense

1170
01:14:27,180 --> 01:14:31,200
out of it. I mean, it's, I think
we all fall into this very

1171
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,740
easily, ourselves included
without even thinking about it.

1172
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:41,250
We are. This is like going back
to the very early days. You guys

1173
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:45,270
need to market podcasting to
point out no, we suck. We're not

1174
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:47,790
going to do that. We're not
we're not going to market we're

1175
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:49,440
not going to build an app. We're
not going to build the

1176
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:54,690
destination. We actually tried
it and we could never like it.

1177
01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:00,000
We know here's your three paths.
No, no, it's all there and

1178
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,930
Anybody can do this. I would
love nothing more than someone

1179
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:06,900
else to come up with the
definitive podcasting 2.0

1180
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:11,100
homepage. You know, here's what
you do. Or here's what you

1181
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:16,080
here's where you go. You know,
that's good. We have a we're a

1182
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,080
technology club

1183
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,890
Dave Jones: is the No. Yes. It's
that thing where the thing that

1184
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:32,910
other people use to do the
thing? Yeah, free. Yes, free. I

1185
01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:40,950
think so. On another see. The
other issue here is a DJ shows.

1186
01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:44,520
I don't know what to call these
things. I call it like Mr.

1187
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:45,780
Graham ball. What do you call
it?

1188
01:15:45,870 --> 01:15:48,420
Adam Curry: I call it a value
for value music podcast.

1189
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,670
Dave Jones: Okay. So value value
music podcasts. They need their

1190
01:15:53,670 --> 01:16:02,160
own chart. Right? Because you
want to discover those two.

1191
01:16:02,670 --> 01:16:05,460
Adam Curry: Okay, well, you
know, this, this is okay. This

1192
01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:12,090
is what I've been crying for.
And I think it's probably

1193
01:16:12,090 --> 01:16:18,480
already all there. Maybe it's
not, but I would Okay, so how

1194
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,600
about Elon beats? I'm just going
to use LNBs because this This is

1195
01:16:21,630 --> 01:16:24,840
Steven B is making apps. He
makes a million apps a second.

1196
01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:29,160
While he's wiring up apartment
buildings. I don't understand

1197
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,610
it. Yet. He has a family. I
think that they haven't divorced

1198
01:16:32,610 --> 01:16:32,940
him yet.

1199
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,050
Dave Jones: It's a fake family.

1200
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:38,100
Adam Curry: It's not really it's
like he's in he's in the HOV

1201
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:44,160
lane with blowup dolls. It's not
really that doesn't really so I

1202
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,210
would Ellen beats here's what I
would love to see an LNB I click

1203
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,900
I play a song and they're only
open let me just open up Ellen

1204
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:57,330
beats and read now. Okay, the
PWA which works great. Okay, so

1205
01:16:57,330 --> 01:17:06,480
now I go to Kurdish drums and
there's call me medley Okay, wow

1206
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:11,490
that's so so sexy responsive. So
here I have the album art I've

1207
01:17:11,490 --> 01:17:16,590
got share of God I can heart
that I can boost it and it

1208
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:26,490
should say as heard on Instagram
bone that data is out there and

1209
01:17:26,490 --> 01:17:29,580
then and then you should be able
to click on booster grand ball

1210
01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:34,230
and and there I should be able
to see what other songs that

1211
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:37,830
that episode of booster gram
ball has played all this data is

1212
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:38,220
there

1213
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:42,120
Dave Jones: is there where do
you where it where is Okay, so

1214
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:43,530
where is there okay,

1215
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:47,040
Adam Curry: so it was so Kurt
however we figure out booster

1216
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,870
Graham ball played Call me
medley on these episodes or

1217
01:17:51,870 --> 01:17:54,570
maybe just says as played on
boosted grandpa I click on that

1218
01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:57,360
and it says played in these
episodes. It click on that. And

1219
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,240
it says other songs played in
this episode, which is all

1220
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,250
available from the feed from the
remote items. Now Now you've got

1221
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:05,880
discovery,

1222
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,250
Dave Jones: you're talking about
in Elon, this would be in the

1223
01:18:08,250 --> 01:18:11,580
Elon base or such or or pod

1224
01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:15,810
Adam Curry: verse or found in or
wherever. And then and then and

1225
01:18:15,810 --> 01:18:19,800
now. You're not only discovering
music, you're discovering other

1226
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:20,610
podcasts.

1227
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:24,450
Dave Jones: That how does he get
that information from the feed?

1228
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,700
Oh,

1229
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:33,450
Adam Curry: remote items. Remote
item magic wallets switching

1230
01:18:33,450 --> 01:18:34,200
technology.

1231
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:40,020
Dave Jones: Yes. So he's getting
so he's going to be scanning.

1232
01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:43,320
Okay, because I was thinking
that this was stuff that we

1233
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,800
would have to provide. In your
in your you're saying this is

1234
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,300
already in the feed so he can
they the apps can just look at

1235
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:57,210
these feeds. I would hope they
can make the Ha ha ha.

1236
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:00,990
Adam Curry: Okay, explain how we
do it now because I just made

1237
01:19:00,990 --> 01:19:04,440
that up and you're like, Aha, so
I figured this is usually how it

1238
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:06,780
goes, Hey, David got this great
idea. Like, well, I can make

1239
01:19:06,780 --> 01:19:09,120
that work. I'll build I'd be
back tomorrow. But now we have

1240
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,500
to let other people do that.

1241
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:13,680
Dave Jones: You left out a step.
I usually like no, you can't do

1242
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,660
that. Yeah, well, we can do
that.

1243
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:18,780
Adam Curry: I actually had a
dream the other night, because

1244
01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:21,300
you said to me on the last show,
when we're done with all this

1245
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:24,870
when it come back to s OPML. And
I had a dream about it, man. It

1246
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:28,560
was That was weird. It was
weird. And we will come back. I

1247
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,690
know we're gonna we're gonna be
like, I'd be like with my

1248
01:19:30,690 --> 01:19:38,040
walker. Hey, hey, so PML do
still have freedom controller

1249
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:38,640
things to

1250
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,940
Dave Jones: work. It'll still be
running 10 years from now. It

1251
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:42,270
will.

1252
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:44,820
Adam Curry: Alright, so explain
how we do that. So you

1253
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:46,770
understand what I'm saying? Yes,

1254
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,030
Dave Jones: I understand what
you're saying. And so all so the

1255
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:56,520
dead the data for the time.
Basically, they absolutely do

1256
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,870
what we do to build the chart.
It would just be return, you

1257
01:20:00,870 --> 01:20:09,600
know, rube back back out of the
data. And so we, because it's a

1258
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:10,170
big time, well,

1259
01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:14,490
Adam Curry: let me ask you this
in the can we make an endpoint

1260
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:23,250
available that if an app says,
Nate, Jonathan, time 169 boosts?

1261
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:28,200
Can you now figure out from
that? What shows boosted it? Can

1262
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,140
we do we provide that data? Is
that something we can easily

1263
01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:33,000
provide? Should we be providing
it?

1264
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:37,080
Dave Jones: All? I don't know
the answer to any of that. I

1265
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,630
know the answer to some of those
questions. Not all that should

1266
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:44,730
we provide it had no idea. I
mean, do can can we provide a

1267
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:48,780
yes. But with a lot of work
book. So here's the issue.

1268
01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:59,760
So there's, back in the
background of of podcasting

1269
01:20:59,850 --> 01:21:07,560
index in the back office, you
have the API, which consists of

1270
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:14,250
the database and the front end
server web servers that that

1271
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:21,570
accept the HD HD API request.
Then you have a separate server

1272
01:21:22,140 --> 01:21:28,590
called PI Powell P IP, a URL
that is the server name, and it

1273
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:35,370
pulls the podcast index,
lightning node, once a minute to

1274
01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:40,380
get an info, pulls all Yeah,
pulls in all of the all of the

1275
01:21:40,380 --> 01:21:45,900
l&d transactions, parses out the
TLVs sticks them in a date in

1276
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:55,020
its own database. Now, that was
only meant for Cluj. I wouldn't,

1277
01:21:55,770 --> 01:22:00,600
I would normally fess up and
immediately say yes, if you ever

1278
01:22:00,630 --> 01:22:03,690
if you ever accused me of a
Cluj, I normally cop to that

1279
01:22:03,690 --> 01:22:07,920
immediately. In this
circumstance, I will say that

1280
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:15,210
this actually not a Cluj. Okay.
This was because the intent of

1281
01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:21,120
the pipe house server was only
for it was for two things it was

1282
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,410
for our internal accounting, so
we could report done boot like

1283
01:22:25,620 --> 01:22:34,020
lightning donations to the IRS.
And so that we could do so we

1284
01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:37,170
could store them all to be able
to pull boosts out to read on

1285
01:22:37,170 --> 01:22:41,790
the show. So it was basically
just a internal accounting

1286
01:22:41,790 --> 01:22:48,660
system for us. Right, and
immediate. So then, then we, of

1287
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:53,520
course, as normal as all these
things do, it began to do more

1288
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,020
than what it was, it became

1289
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:56,940
Adam Curry: an important
production item.

1290
01:22:57,540 --> 01:23:01,560
Dave Jones: Yes, exactly. And so
now what happened was, what

1291
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,780
happened was, this thing grew,
and now it hosts it's generating

1292
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:08,850
the chart because it's got all
the l&d data,

1293
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,950
Adam Curry: right, right. This
is clearly not a great way to do

1294
01:23:13,950 --> 01:23:16,320
what we're talking about through
TLVs.

1295
01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:23,100
Dave Jones: So if we were to
make the we can't easily make

1296
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,500
this available in APR, because
it's not even the date. It's not

1297
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:28,380
even in the main database, it's
in a whole other different

1298
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:32,850
database. No, I understand this
back to the main database in

1299
01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:34,710
order to be able to even serve
it, you know, okay,

1300
01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:38,850
Adam Curry: so Stephen B, posted
something in the chat. And by

1301
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:41,940
the way, after the show, Alex
gates will figure it all out and

1302
01:23:41,940 --> 01:23:44,010
tell us what to do. But now he's
yelling

1303
01:23:44,010 --> 01:23:44,310
Dave Jones: at us.

1304
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,350
Adam Curry: He's going live is
going live, so you can pitch in

1305
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:56,040
her head about it. So Steven B
says, Can the API return feeds

1306
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:00,690
that have a specific route
remote item in it? And I'm sure

1307
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,930
the answer right now is no. But
is that is that something

1308
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:07,920
because I know that in order to
help apps like cast ematic, we

1309
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:15,180
discussed storing the remote
item data? Is that something

1310
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:18,330
that will be possible? Or is
that like a huge lookup that

1311
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,770
that we're not qualified to do
or big enough to do?

1312
01:24:24,150 --> 01:24:26,220
Dave Jones: No. But yes.

1313
01:24:26,879 --> 01:24:29,399
Adam Curry: Okay. And that
concludes our broadcast.

1314
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:35,940
Dave Jones: Now, not at the
moment, but in but definitely is

1315
01:24:35,940 --> 01:24:40,740
definitely in on the roadmap
because we remote item. I was

1316
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:45,120
just about to put remote item
support into the API. And then

1317
01:24:45,150 --> 01:24:49,440
and then we halted into the
chart. So

1318
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,480
Adam Curry: well, this is good
because this is this is how we

1319
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:55,500
come this is our iteration.
Okay. But can I just step back

1320
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:58,140
for one second, get our heads
out of the technology, and

1321
01:24:58,140 --> 01:25:01,380
explain why I think this is
important. Because I'm sure that

1322
01:25:01,620 --> 01:25:04,170
I'm sure there are people
yelling at like, how come we're

1323
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:07,680
not talking about the pinning
episodes tag?

1324
01:25:10,349 --> 01:25:12,389
Dave Jones: Yeah, I know what
we're not talking about that.

1325
01:25:12,569 --> 01:25:13,289
But yes.

1326
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,300
Adam Curry: This is the
opportunity we have here as a

1327
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:24,960
group. To create an entire we've
already started, we've created a

1328
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,010
new category of podcast, which
for almost 20 years has not

1329
01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:36,330
existed. We are igniting,
artists are on fire. They're

1330
01:25:36,330 --> 01:25:41,340
igniting and they're very, very,
very excited. I know this,

1331
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:45,180
because this is this is what I
do. I feel what's happening. I

1332
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:49,860
feel what people are sending me.
The excitement is there. People

1333
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:53,100
are curious what's happening,
the stuff going on. There's,

1334
01:25:53,130 --> 01:25:58,590
there's a new kid in town. And
that new kid has one leg and

1335
01:25:58,590 --> 01:26:01,950
three fingers. And that's us.
And, and we're trying to figure

1336
01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:08,880
this out. But the beauty, the
beauty of turning what we're

1337
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,910
talking about here into a
discovery mechanism. And by the

1338
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:18,210
way, it doesn't just have to be
V for V music podcast. I mean,

1339
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:24,960
think about someone hearing a J
dog song, or seeing a J dog song

1340
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,590
and saying, Hey, I liked this
and then winding up with at

1341
01:26:28,590 --> 01:26:33,150
podcasting. 2.0 Because we
played J dog. That's, that's

1342
01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:39,600
real discovery. So, you know, I
totally imagine, you know, if

1343
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,980
you listen to the radio, people
play a song. Even NPR, you know,

1344
01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:51,630
it's like, we're gonna play a
song. It's not like all top 40

1345
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:56,940
Adam curry booster Grand Ball
stuff. Tina, and I would like to

1346
01:26:56,940 --> 01:27:02,100
play a song that in our show,
but just a song. And let's say

1347
01:27:02,130 --> 01:27:07,080
let's say that's, you know, bend
orful. And someone hears that.

1348
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,010
It's like, Oh, what, what what
other podcast or it's a

1349
01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:15,540
connector. We can connect
podcasts. And even people at a

1350
01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:20,340
certain point to each other, and
artists to each other through

1351
01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:25,980
this mechanism. And the
category. I am going to, I said

1352
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:28,500
this a couple shows, I'm going
to supercharge the hosting

1353
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:34,290
business. If people will be
banging a path to your door, to

1354
01:27:34,290 --> 01:27:38,700
be able to play music in their
podcast to be able to have music

1355
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:43,110
that can be played in podcasts.
It's something that has never

1356
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:48,270
it's like it's blue sky. It's
completely open. And we can do

1357
01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:54,060
it. No one else can do this. And
the and the content is there.

1358
01:27:54,660 --> 01:28:00,300
And so we will grow podcasting
with leaps and bounds by

1359
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:01,500
figuring this out.

1360
01:28:02,670 --> 01:28:05,760
Dave Jones: In Okay, let me
drive it back. And let me let me

1361
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:14,160
drive it back into tech for a
sec, please. We read? I don't

1362
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,720
think we have the time for this
on on this. In this board

1363
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:19,860
meeting, but I think

1364
01:28:21,330 --> 01:28:23,760
Adam Curry: we need an office.
We need an off site

1365
01:28:28,230 --> 01:28:29,190
Dave Jones: with pastries

1366
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:33,180
Adam Curry: and a barbecue. Yes.
And barbecue. Yes.

1367
01:28:33,870 --> 01:28:39,120
Dave Jones: And we'll bring in a
motivational speaker. The next

1368
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:45,420
in the next board meeting 100%.
Andriy we need to discuss

1369
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:52,050
categories. Yes. Because that is
that that go that maps that map

1370
01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:56,730
you're right. I'm with you. I'm
with you. But But it's even.

1371
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,150
It's more than that though.
Because I'm still banging my

1372
01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:05,910
head against the wall of this of
this issue. And if people may

1373
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:10,140
think it may sound myopic to be
focusing this, like we're

1374
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:17,100
focusing a lot on music. Oh, now
like right in it a lot recently

1375
01:29:17,490 --> 01:29:22,170
in the in the boardroom. But the
issue is, all of these things

1376
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:28,680
when you when you it goes back
to what you just said. The this

1377
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:35,400
is a new category of of of PA
podcast, which is never been,

1378
01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:41,520
it's never been possible to. It
has never been possible to

1379
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,120
define a new category of
podcasts because of the medium

1380
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:50,130
tag because of Alex's medium tag
made that possible. Now we have

1381
01:29:50,130 --> 01:29:54,840
the ability to define, we have
the language and the skin in the

1382
01:29:54,840 --> 01:30:03,030
schema to define a new a new
Literally a new type of content

1383
01:30:03,300 --> 01:30:09,660
writing on top of the podcast
delivery network. And so the all

1384
01:30:09,660 --> 01:30:12,150
of these things that we're
discussing about, here's a

1385
01:30:12,150 --> 01:30:16,140
problem. And we need to fix this
in music. Here's all of these

1386
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:18,540
things. Right now we're
discussing them within the

1387
01:30:18,540 --> 01:30:23,100
framework of the music medium,
right? They will map all of the

1388
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:27,330
same issues will have to be
sorted out for every other type

1389
01:30:27,330 --> 01:30:31,530
of medium that we go down. So
this is a this is this is an

1390
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:31,830
easy,

1391
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:35,100
Adam Curry: it's an easy way to
start figuring out the the

1392
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:39,690
plumbing, so that it maps to
books, movies, yes.

1393
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,330
Documentaries, porn. Oops, that
I say that.

1394
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,160
Dave Jones: In blogs, blogs,
yeah. That's what you meant to

1395
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,540
say. The

1396
01:30:48,570 --> 01:30:50,940
Adam Curry: end. Yeah, what
comes into play? So PML? Before

1397
01:30:50,940 --> 01:30:51,450
you know it,

1398
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:59,100
Dave Jones: and we're right back
to you know, so this is a, this

1399
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:03,750
is a length, this is a language
and syntax for a new for a new

1400
01:31:03,930 --> 01:31:09,000
defined content. And if right
now, it's within the framework

1401
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:14,820
of music. But this is just, this
is a mad laboratory, right? For

1402
01:31:14,820 --> 01:31:20,460
all the things that come next.
And, you know, so that's a long

1403
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:27,030
way around to say, what is
bothering me is the fact that we

1404
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:35,670
can't define booster Graham ball
in a way that I can find it in

1405
01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:40,080
the index. Because what I want
to do, what I want to be able to

1406
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:48,720
do is to say is to find a list
of all of all value for value

1407
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,340
music podcasts. The thing I
want, because I know what they

1408
01:31:53,340 --> 01:31:56,970
are. I know, I know, it's Mr.
Graham ball. It's a mood,

1409
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:04,260
lightning thrashes power was the
power of music hour. Like, I

1410
01:32:04,260 --> 01:32:11,370
know the list. But there's no I
can't tell the index to give me

1411
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:14,430
the list or or an app to give me
the list.

1412
01:32:14,970 --> 01:32:18,030
Adam Curry: Okay, can I give it
it? Kind of give it a try? Sure.

1413
01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:25,080
You can find booster Graham ball
by saying podcast that has

1414
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:29,310
remote items. That equal medium
medium equals music.

1415
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:38,070
Dave Jones: Which will also
bring back this show. Yes. But

1416
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:43,350
this is not a this is not a this
show and booster Graham ball are

1417
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:49,830
just fundamentally different
types of shows. And I don't like

1418
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:52,530
that I'm sorry, con January
homegrown hits. That's an it's

1419
01:32:52,530 --> 01:32:53,400
no. So

1420
01:32:54,180 --> 01:32:55,890
Adam Curry: hey, man, talk about
my show.

1421
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:04,590
Dave Jones: Give me props. The
so. And we've we've mentioned

1422
01:33:04,590 --> 01:33:07,890
possibly another music medium,
but I don't want to clog those

1423
01:33:07,890 --> 01:33:11,130
words up another medium Excuse
me, but I don't know if that's

1424
01:33:11,130 --> 01:33:15,630
appropriate. It may be the
combination, what what may solve

1425
01:33:15,630 --> 01:33:20,580
this problem is the combination
of of a medium, and a category

1426
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:25,800
brought together. I don't know
right. So like if we define a

1427
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,040
radio medium, which is which has
been proposed, Alex proposed

1428
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:36,060
that if we define the radio,
radio medium, or showcase or

1429
01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:38,700
whatever you can call it if we
define that medium, and then we

1430
01:33:38,700 --> 01:33:42,930
bring in because we get Alright,
I think I'm figuring this out as

1431
01:33:42,930 --> 01:33:52,500
we go. So when you what things
are changes based on the medium.

1432
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:55,680
So if the medium is and we know
this if that the medium is

1433
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:01,080
podcast, then the transcript is
a transcript of the words that

1434
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,620
are spoken on the show, right?
If the medium is music, the

1435
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:08,940
transcript is now lyrics. We
know that these things change

1436
01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:12,810
based on the medium, the medium
controls, it drives the what the

1437
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:18,180
other things downstream from it
mean. So within music,

1438
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:28,500
categories become genres. And so
in there could be a way in which

1439
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,620
Adam Curry: so for instance, if
I can just invite in a medium he

1440
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:33,270
calls music interview show.

1441
01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:41,790
Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Or, or medium equals right

1442
01:34:41,790 --> 01:34:48,300
and medium equals radio, music.
A category. So it's a radio

1443
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:50,700
show. It's a music radio show.

1444
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:53,700
Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't like
that. But it doesn't matter. I

1445
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:54,690
understand what you're saying.

1446
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,000
Dave Jones: You get the gist.
Yeah, yeah, of course. Of

1447
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,740
course. I mean that. So I think
I think I think we got to have

1448
01:35:01,740 --> 01:35:04,680
the category discussion this
this, this may be the next, the

1449
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:05,400
next bacon.

1450
01:35:06,180 --> 01:35:10,140
Adam Curry: Is this a GitHub
issue that we open to take

1451
01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:15,630
submissions? Or is this
something that, that we just go

1452
01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:18,930
all Idi Amin and just create it
tell your buddy to shut up?

1453
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,690
Dave Jones: No, do not do the
Israeli Israeli method of

1454
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,060
Adam Curry: Mossad medium?

1455
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:30,000
Dave Jones: Yes, no, this is not
the right way to do this. So

1456
01:35:30,210 --> 01:35:35,820
there there are category
discussions that have been long,

1457
01:35:36,570 --> 01:35:40,140
long buried in the GitHub that
needs to be resurrected, so that

1458
01:35:40,140 --> 01:35:46,560
we can start afresh. Okay, that
I think I think that's where we

1459
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:47,670
have to travel next.

1460
01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:51,780
Adam Curry: Well, then, let's
travel there, let's let's not

1461
01:35:51,780 --> 01:35:56,010
even do anything else. Because
it seems like we need that.

1462
01:35:56,370 --> 01:35:59,850
Before we can get to this this
discovery journey that I'm

1463
01:35:59,850 --> 01:36:03,030
talking about. Is that correct?

1464
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,580
Dave Jones: It's already be
Yeah, I think so. Because it's

1465
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:11,070
already becoming an issue
because see, because I guess ESP

1466
01:36:11,070 --> 01:36:12,990
is like, I don't listen to that
crap. I just listened to

1467
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:18,930
challenge for trans trans. And
so I can't listen to value for a

1468
01:36:18,930 --> 01:36:21,750
minute. There's probably some
had some trans out there, but he

1469
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:26,640
can't find it because we don't
have categories that allow for

1470
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:27,030
that.

1471
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:31,350
Adam Curry: Right. Well, that's
very specific. I mean, a

1472
01:36:34,530 --> 01:36:36,300
Dave Jones: lot of people are
like, I don't listen to

1473
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:37,140
anything. But

1474
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:39,660
Adam Curry: no, I know. I know.
I'm just saying that now you're

1475
01:36:39,660 --> 01:36:45,270
going into, because I may play a
trend song. You may. And I would

1476
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:49,650
like CSB to be able to find the
episode where I play a

1477
01:36:49,650 --> 01:36:57,030
transformer. How's that sound?
Yeah. Yeah, my head hurt.

1478
01:36:57,480 --> 01:37:01,950
Dave Jones: Yes, this is it's
943 at night, we know who was

1479
01:37:01,950 --> 01:37:02,880
too intense. Let's

1480
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,100
Adam Curry: thank some people.
So we thank some people, because

1481
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:08,520
we've done a lot. We've done a
lot today. And we look in this

1482
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,740
special board meeting and we are
the only board meeting that

1483
01:37:10,740 --> 01:37:14,070
operates out of office hours. I
want everyone to be be aware of

1484
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:18,240
that. And we appreciate everyone
showing up nice showing we have

1485
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:26,310
a quorum. I've been to many
board meetings. It's clear. Here

1486
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:28,410
we go. Couple of booster grabs
that came in while we're doing

1487
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:34,110
the show live sir Libra 33,333
Great to hear the opening of

1488
01:37:34,110 --> 01:37:37,440
lightning thrashes on the last
Episode Episode Four is out now

1489
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,900
featuring Dame Jennifer tell all
your friends lightning

1490
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:41,820
thrashes.com as an ad

1491
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,030
Dave Jones: I just got it I just
got that drop in the podcast

1492
01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:45,450
app.

1493
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:47,400
Adam Curry: Oh, you did oh cued
up. Oh, I'm

1494
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,080
Dave Jones: gonna have to listen
to behind I haven't even

1495
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,420
listened to lightning so it's
just three yet. So you've

1496
01:37:51,420 --> 01:37:52,230
already got four

1497
01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:54,960
Adam Curry: row of ducks from
the mere mortals podcast with

1498
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,750
duck emojis no less, which is
nice. I'll make a pitch for V

1499
01:37:57,750 --> 01:38:00,960
for V come check out the value
for value show. Another add

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01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,810
another 2222 for mere mortals
podcast live boosting for early

1501
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:10,410
episodes. Let's make this a
thing. Think of the hashtag

1502
01:38:10,410 --> 01:38:12,840
think of the Australians oh it's
probably because it's a

1503
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,990
different he's like Hey, I could
find it listen to it live I got

1504
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:21,390
a time shifting this Right. Eric
p p 33,333. Thank you brother. I

1505
01:38:21,390 --> 01:38:24,750
can find all this in live there
he is. That must have been a

1506
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:27,930
coyote although it didn't
doesn't say Kira and came in on

1507
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:34,650
pod verse row of ducks 2222
There Steven B 15,002. Davi das

1508
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:38,220
booster grant perhaps the church
or band could use so I love

1509
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:41,310
this. We got people boosting so
we got dove out just do this in

1510
01:38:41,310 --> 01:38:46,230
sequence. dovie does 15,000 sets
but I'll remind you what he said

1511
01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:48,840
talk to a church that does a
prayer podcast even V for V is

1512
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,180
difficult because you need to
ask for value which may ruin the

1513
01:38:51,180 --> 01:38:54,750
experience similar to RSS music.
We need ways to ask for value

1514
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:59,370
outside the episodes themselves.
Stephen B replies love this

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01:38:59,490 --> 01:39:03,030
50 1000s at Adobe das
Bookstagram perhaps the church

1516
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:06,990
or band could use chapters to
request value for value replace

1517
01:39:06,990 --> 01:39:09,480
the art with a really cool
chapter are requesting a boost

1518
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:14,310
of support. But we don't use we
don't use that enough. Chapter

1519
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:18,750
says a lot of cool stuff you can
do with chapters. Dred Scott,

1520
01:39:19,260 --> 01:39:27,510
he's up and about 123456 He says
a little boost MC boost Musa MC

1521
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:33,750
boost for y'all boost boost
boost boost. 20 is Blaze on am

1522
01:39:35,070 --> 01:39:37,470
Dave Jones: seven is only 745 in
California.

1523
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,860
Adam Curry: And that's what we
got. We got another Dred Scott

1524
01:39:40,860 --> 01:39:44,520
1234 who might have been testing
thank you all for those Bucha we

1525
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,470
should we go through our booster
grams while we're at it so we

1526
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:51,630
can. Yeah, you have the this.
I'll just remind everybody this

1527
01:39:51,630 --> 01:39:55,350
is a value for value podcast.
This is where in our church

1528
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:59,460
here, we asked you to support
us. We do we're not bashful at

1529
01:39:59,460 --> 01:39:59,820
all.

1530
01:40:00,269 --> 01:40:02,699
Dave Jones: Tom tell and
treasured just exactly lucky to

1531
01:40:02,699 --> 01:40:03,479
hear from the pulpit.

1532
01:40:03,989 --> 01:40:06,059
Adam Curry: Exactly. That's
right, exactly

1533
01:40:08,309 --> 01:40:12,629
Dave Jones: what I want to say
that I have not had time to look

1534
01:40:12,659 --> 01:40:16,109
to dig into So Sam Sethi has
been boosting us from pod fans,

1535
01:40:16,169 --> 01:40:18,029
Adam Curry: and we still are
still not showing up in my

1536
01:40:18,029 --> 01:40:19,619
helipad. So it's

1537
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:22,290
Dave Jones: not showing us I
have to figure out what is going

1538
01:40:22,290 --> 01:40:26,460
on. So I gotta dig those up.
They may come through in the

1539
01:40:26,460 --> 01:40:27,420
boosts,

1540
01:40:27,569 --> 01:40:29,189
Adam Curry: maybe they come
through the streams,

1541
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,010
Dave Jones: they may come, they
may come through in the boost,

1542
01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:33,960
I'm going to read in a minute,
but if they don't, I just want

1543
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,860
to add not forgotten, Sam, I
will, I'm going to find that I'm

1544
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:38,190
going to tell

1545
01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:40,740
Adam Curry: you what it is,
though. I'm gonna tell you what

1546
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:43,590
it is what he's doing what he's
doing. He's either putting

1547
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:46,950
booster grommets that have
boost, or he's putting boost

1548
01:40:46,950 --> 01:40:49,530
with a capital B, somehow I have
a feeling that that's why it's

1549
01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:52,050
not showing up in helipad. Is
that even possible? What I'm

1550
01:40:52,050 --> 01:40:52,680
saying here?

1551
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,220
Dave Jones: It's, it's very
possible. So I know why it's not

1552
01:40:56,220 --> 01:41:00,750
working in hell Upad is because
we haven't made the adjustment

1553
01:41:01,140 --> 01:41:06,570
to it. This is a good time to
say thank you very much to Harry

1554
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:12,900
EPS. Indeed, he has done the
Lord's work but on Eric on Hello

1555
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:19,650
pad. But by no heat. So he he's
been adding features to it.

1556
01:41:20,130 --> 01:41:22,830
While I've been tied up with
lots of other things, and he's

1557
01:41:22,830 --> 01:41:27,150
getting really good at that with
that code base. But the thing he

1558
01:41:27,150 --> 01:41:32,430
did the other day, which is very
helpful, is he made a GitHub

1559
01:41:32,430 --> 01:41:37,230
action that will automatically
compile, compile hella pad.

1560
01:41:38,190 --> 01:41:40,440
It'll cross compile it for
different architectures for ARM

1561
01:41:40,440 --> 01:41:47,640
64 and four for x 64. And push
it so when whenever somebody

1562
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:52,800
comes, whenever somebody commits
to the main branch in helipad,

1563
01:41:53,340 --> 01:41:57,030
it now automatically builds a
Docker image and pushes it to

1564
01:41:57,030 --> 01:42:01,470
Docker hub so that you can pull
down and have the latest code

1565
01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:06,270
immediately. Nice. Yeah, and
that's we tested it out the

1566
01:42:06,270 --> 01:42:10,770
other day works perfectly. Cuz
this is I just really appreciate

1567
01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:19,680
what he's doing. Very big deal.
Let's see we got Buzzsprout

1568
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:21,360
$500.

1569
01:42:23,370 --> 01:42:29,640
Adam Curry: Well, right off the
bat. 20 on I am Paula, thank

1570
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:30,630
you. Thank you. Thank you

1571
01:42:31,110 --> 01:42:34,470
Dave Jones: came in after hours
on a special courier for the

1572
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:38,760
just in time for the show. Let's
see. Thank you guys, Kevin and

1573
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:44,910
Tom. Appreciate that very much.
Boosts. Mr. Graham's we got

1574
01:42:44,940 --> 01:42:49,770
three C 333. Sets from Gene
Everett says live boost tests.

1575
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,700
We got you. We got your gene.
Yep, sure do. Let's see. Okay,

1576
01:42:53,700 --> 01:42:59,880
so here's here's pod fans.
Here's Sam listening so we may

1577
01:43:00,750 --> 01:43:03,330
Okay, so this may be coming
through so what I did was I made

1578
01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:08,520
the adjustments to their TLVs on
our on the PI pal server so that

1579
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,210
we could do it right so we just
need to make that'll

1580
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:14,400
Adam Curry: work and heli
inhaler pad Yeah.

1581
01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:18,330
Dave Jones: Sir truck driver
gave us 3333 through founding

1582
01:43:18,330 --> 01:43:21,840
says first time list. Also new
to boosting. Enjoy. And thank

1583
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:22,980
you for your courage in the
morning.

1584
01:43:23,010 --> 01:43:27,690
Adam Curry: Go podcast. Just I
just did. By accident. I hit

1585
01:43:27,690 --> 01:43:30,870
that button. It works. It works.

1586
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,440
Dave Jones: See, that's me go
through here yet. Here's some

1587
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:39,930
more pod fans. So I am having to
sort of vet these in real time.

1588
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,910
Because in order to figure out
the pod fans thing, I turned a

1589
01:43:44,910 --> 01:43:48,270
basically it's not doing any
filtering. It's just giving me

1590
01:43:48,270 --> 01:43:51,480
the whole shebang. So there's a
lot I got you through that

1591
01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:54,810
normally wouldn't be coming
through so I got to run through

1592
01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:56,580
this in real time. Let's see. Do

1593
01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:59,850
Adam Curry: I sing a little song
playing

1594
01:44:00,690 --> 01:44:06,780
Dave Jones: booster Graham's.
See? Oh, love that Mandelbrot

1595
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:10,200
track. Thank you for your
courage. That's from future.

1596
01:44:10,650 --> 01:44:15,300
Future, sir. Tosh. Oh, you found
thank you for you. Sir Tashi

1597
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:21,330
sent us 167 SATs out of 3333
They went to Mandalay went to

1598
01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:28,500
Bandolero gene bein 111 out of
tu tu tu tu through cast ematic

1599
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:31,260
and that went to ies Yeah,
that's

1600
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:32,160
Adam Curry: awesome. Oh man. No,
bro.

1601
01:44:33,090 --> 01:44:35,670
Dave Jones: This is a really
it's really cool. I seeing all

1602
01:44:35,670 --> 01:44:39,990
the TLVs come together because
you can see what portion went to

1603
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:45,450
us. It's like it'll say this of
this, you know, like 111 out of

1604
01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:46,830
two to two nice.

1605
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:49,380
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, I'm in
the new help and the new Hello

1606
01:44:49,380 --> 01:44:53,940
Pat. I'm seeing some of that but
also I mean so what I'm seeing

1607
01:44:53,940 --> 01:44:57,930
now for instance, from a
fountain I'm seeing booster

1608
01:44:57,930 --> 01:45:01,200
Graham ball episode nine and
then in For ends when it's over.

1609
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:04,770
So that was the track and that
can click on the on the

1610
01:45:04,980 --> 01:45:08,580
timestamp and then I get the
whole TLV record opens right up,

1611
01:45:08,580 --> 01:45:09,480
which is kind of cool.

1612
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:16,950
Dave Jones: That is, yeah that.
See? 2022 chyron for mere

1613
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:19,770
mortals podcast, they found he
says, I pay a fixed cost for

1614
01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:23,520
blueberry. And they also take a
3% split. I'm totally fine with

1615
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,230
that. As for Mordovia Das,

1616
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,820
Adam Curry: yeah. You'd be you'd
be amazed. You'd be amazed when

1617
01:45:29,820 --> 01:45:32,880
you think people won't pay for
something. If it's valuable and

1618
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:34,440
you kind of leave that open.
They do.

1619
01:45:35,610 --> 01:45:38,850
Dave Jones: Limit creations as
our buddy Andy layman, sent us

1620
01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:42,150
1000 SATs to cast magic he says,
I asked blueberry about see

1621
01:45:42,150 --> 01:45:44,580
names for podcasts mirror and
they don't do it. But that would

1622
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:47,280
be awesome. Oh, they made
pictures on the roadmap, then.

1623
01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:49,650
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm thinking
they should I mean, that's kind

1624
01:45:49,650 --> 01:45:51,660
of Todd think a drone.com.

1625
01:45:52,050 --> 01:45:55,170
Dave Jones: Yes, right. Lehmann,
Andy comes in again with another

1626
01:45:55,170 --> 01:45:58,200
1000 SAS he says someone should
create a V for V music play out

1627
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:01,260
system that hooks into all the
music sites and automatically

1628
01:46:01,260 --> 01:46:04,980
creates a debate automatically
creates value time splits and

1629
01:46:04,980 --> 01:46:09,240
has the ramp time so you can hit
the post that would be awesome.

1630
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,660
Yeah, what is ramped time I
don't assume.

1631
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:21,600
Adam Curry: So that's that's a
term so in in my am errorless,

1632
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,570
which is my playout system. I
can you know I can I can

1633
01:46:24,570 --> 01:46:28,860
literally set a little a little
yellow line that's where the the

1634
01:46:28,860 --> 01:46:34,080
vocal start. And so the minute I
hit play it the two counters

1635
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,440
start to run one is the total
time left and one is the number

1636
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:41,490
of seconds left until that ramp
is done. And then you hit the

1637
01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:45,210
post as we call it, which means
the vocal start or some accent

1638
01:46:45,210 --> 01:46:47,430
in the music where you want to
where you want to dump out

1639
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:50,340
that's very advanced and we'll
get there one day

1640
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,550
Dave Jones: so that's something
you mark you mark that time

1641
01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:57,240
Yeah, yeah, before you start the
intro for the next Yeah,

1642
01:46:57,570 --> 01:46:59,730
Adam Curry: that's that's a
little bit down the road.

1643
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:06,120
Dave Jones: Let's see as far as
gates Oh, hey Sir Alex 111 was

1644
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:10,830
actually Richard three pot verse
he says he's thrown some nostril

1645
01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:14,280
Hey, so noster is literally just
a shitty and unreliable PubSub

1646
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,820
system. There is no fixing it
without adding centralization.

1647
01:47:17,820 --> 01:47:20,250
This is coming from a system
architect who does this for a

1648
01:47:20,250 --> 01:47:25,200
living my disdain for it comes
from this. It will not scale for

1649
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,140
its intended purpose. Please
lower your expectations for

1650
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:33,270
future use. At public service
announcement, lower your

1651
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:34,050
expectations

1652
01:47:35,250 --> 01:47:35,940
Adam Curry: lower

1653
01:47:37,740 --> 01:47:41,160
Dave Jones: Thank you Alex as
source de 1701 Star Trek booster

1654
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:45,390
pod verse he says Adam No. Fee
for V is value for value. Don't

1655
01:47:45,390 --> 01:47:46,650
bring only fans into it.

1656
01:47:46,650 --> 01:47:48,660
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. What was I think I know

1657
01:47:48,660 --> 01:47:49,890
that wasn't that was not smart.

1658
01:47:50,849 --> 01:47:56,999
Dave Jones: John's BRT. 1667
SATs at a 33 333 That's for a

1659
01:47:56,999 --> 01:47:59,939
song that I don't that I cannot
tell because all I have is good.

1660
01:48:00,209 --> 01:48:04,619
But I'm sure it was excellent.
Tread word 3333 through pod

1661
01:48:04,619 --> 01:48:09,389
version no note. See that we get
some more. There's some more pod

1662
01:48:09,389 --> 01:48:14,969
fans. Oh, some some quack. Send
us through 111 through fountain

1663
01:48:14,969 --> 01:48:20,009
he says thanks. Well, thanks.
Thanks. Do you never it 2222 He

1664
01:48:20,009 --> 01:48:27,149
says boost boost sir Shauna the
Allegheny Valley 1128 SATs the

1665
01:48:27,149 --> 01:48:30,779
cast ematic no note thank you
sir Sean. He's got quite a

1666
01:48:30,779 --> 01:48:36,089
string of these all different
amounts 1009 1065 1010

1667
01:48:37,380 --> 01:48:38,820
Adam Curry: Go crazy Wow, he's

1668
01:48:38,820 --> 01:48:40,530
Dave Jones: killing it thanks
for sharing I don't know how

1669
01:48:40,530 --> 01:48:45,390
much that added up to crazy
Nice. Oh Lord F 35 Jump around

1670
01:48:45,390 --> 01:48:49,050
remix starting at that gas
screen nice got a link is a

1671
01:48:49,050 --> 01:48:52,470
YouTube link I don't know if I
can play that. You can't you

1672
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:54,180
can't hear my stuff. So it
doesn't we got to

1673
01:48:54,180 --> 01:48:57,150
Adam Curry: fix that. Yeah, we
got to fix it. You need to be

1674
01:48:57,150 --> 01:48:58,620
able to play clips man.

1675
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,430
Dave Jones: I'm gonna try I'm
gonna try moving it over to

1676
01:49:03,060 --> 01:49:09,810
rearrange it over to the Mac.
When I get a chance. Is we get

1677
01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:15,150
1033 alkalis do foul taste is
also conversation. David gets

1678
01:49:15,150 --> 01:49:17,730
your frustration over the BTC
bros out there their group they

1679
01:49:17,730 --> 01:49:21,810
grew tiring and also include
that a bunch of debt include

1680
01:49:21,810 --> 01:49:26,310
that bunch of BTC Maxis as well.
Presuming all other coins out

1681
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:29,280
there or shit coin is toxic,
doing the entire blockchain

1682
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,340
movement a huge disservice.
There are some incredibly

1683
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:34,740
underrated projects out there
bubbling to the surface that can

1684
01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:38,040
work alongside not against the
Lightning Network. Love the show

1685
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:39,150
guys in the morning

1686
01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:40,380
Adam Curry: in the morning to
you

1687
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:47,760
Dave Jones: 500 SATs through
from amorphous continuum wow

1688
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,630
that's a name do finally says
that sir is amazingly effing

1689
01:49:51,630 --> 01:49:57,900
useful. Thank you. Oh, you're
welcome. See was jumped through

1690
01:49:57,900 --> 01:50:03,540
here. This is funny. I see so
much. I see so much pod fans in

1691
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:03,840
here.

1692
01:50:03,900 --> 01:50:05,970
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, it was you
see all the streams as well? Is

1693
01:50:05,970 --> 01:50:06,510
that what you're saying?

1694
01:50:07,500 --> 01:50:09,330
Dave Jones: Yeah, because when I
turned out when I turned off the

1695
01:50:09,330 --> 01:50:11,160
filter to show everything it's
just like

1696
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:14,220
Adam Curry: you get a lot a lot
coming in when because it's all

1697
01:50:14,220 --> 01:50:16,200
the minute by minute stuff.

1698
01:50:16,740 --> 01:50:20,100
Dave Jones: And you see but it's
all different users it's not

1699
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:22,710
just SAM No It's everybody. Yes
a

1700
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:26,130
Adam Curry: lot of stuff.

1701
01:50:26,700 --> 01:50:29,040
Dave Jones: You see the you
really get a appreciation for

1702
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:33,180
the for the usage going on over
there. It's great. Okay 333 from

1703
01:50:33,180 --> 01:50:37,140
anonymous great song and we got
did you do Mike Newman boosting

1704
01:50:37,140 --> 01:50:40,560
the podcasting 2.0 squad from
somewhere sometime in the future

1705
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,320
like this ship, go podcasting

1706
01:50:44,580 --> 01:50:47,100
Adam Curry: Podcast. I'm sorry
what happened? Oh,

1707
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,860
Dave Jones: that was a striper
boost. 77 777

1708
01:50:50,490 --> 01:50:52,980
Adam Curry: I'm completely
messed up. I see. I should at

1709
01:50:52,980 --> 01:50:56,070
least do the striper boost.
Yeah, here we go

1710
01:51:01,170 --> 01:51:02,490
I got it. I got it. I got it.

1711
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,700
Dave Jones: doubled up. Took me
a minute. And we gotta come

1712
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:10,290
straight blogger it's 30 3015 to
delimiter through fountain he

1713
01:51:10,290 --> 01:51:13,530
says how do you David Adam,
please invite your listeners to

1714
01:51:13,530 --> 01:51:19,080
visit my blog at www dot CSB dot
lol for my cartoons about

1715
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,950
everything. And to give me ideas
for cartoons to draw via Twitter

1716
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:33,870
slash x et et CSB. Just three
letters C S and B yo, yo yo, yo

1717
01:51:33,900 --> 01:51:38,790
I'm going that was going for
more of a like Twilight Zone.

1718
01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:41,610
type of presentation there.

1719
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:43,740
Adam Curry: Imagine the world

1720
01:51:45,570 --> 01:51:47,160
Dave Jones: what was his name?

1721
01:51:47,670 --> 01:51:51,480
Adam Curry: The rod Sterling,
Rod Sterling and man not bad for

1722
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:59,130
958 Sterling or Sterling? Could
be certainly could be Sterling

1723
01:51:59,130 --> 01:52:00,300
Sterling and whatever.

1724
01:52:00,450 --> 01:52:03,810
Dave Jones: And we got some
monthlies. We got Jordan

1725
01:52:03,810 --> 01:52:07,860
Dunnville $10 Thank you, Jordan
Cameron Rose $25 Cameron been

1726
01:52:07,860 --> 01:52:12,630
around a long time. Thank you,
man. Jeff's got $15 Michael

1727
01:52:12,630 --> 01:52:18,090
Kimmer $5.33 a magic number and
Pedro Goncalves, $5. Thank you

1728
01:52:18,090 --> 01:52:18,510
guys.

1729
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:20,850
Adam Curry: Thank you all so
much value for value is the name

1730
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of the game. It's what we play.
It's how we keep everything

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running for this podcast for the
boardroom. But of course for all

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the servers. You keep everything
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for all in the podcasting 2.0
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the bottom two red buttons up
you know what, I should probably

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check the tally coin. You know,
that's probably where dribs

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God's been hanging out. One of
them is for your pay, pal.

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That's your Fiat fun coupons. Or
you can go to Ha ha didn't add

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it. Okay, good. Or you can go to
the other one for an unchained

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donation which people begged us
for and the only person doing it

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is Dred Scott. What we really
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us give us a boost to Graham so
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on your mind. So you can respond
to other people. So beautiful

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system. Thank you all so much.
Especially our our hosting

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companies who are always really
really generous. We'd appreciate

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it. Thank you so much. But But
nothing is is unappreciated.

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We'd love it all. For sure. All
right, so we have homework and

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homework as we all think about
categories. And I guess we're

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gonna resurrect something on the
GitHub, and try it.

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Dave Jones: I'm gonna go I'm
gonna go digging. Yes. Okay.

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Find the answer. It's 10
o'clock. I think we I think we

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01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:37,770
nailed

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01:53:37,770 --> 01:53:40,800
Adam Curry: it. Thank you chat
room. We really, really know

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01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:44,070
tallyho from each night says Dr.
John. Okay. Dr. It's okay. It's

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01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:48,540
fine. Go to sleep. Thank you all
very much for for being here for

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this special board meeting. We
will not be releasing it. So

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until tomorrow. So if you are
here, then you got you got an

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early no one else gets it. And
we'll release it tomorrow. I'll

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01:53:59,010 --> 01:54:02,250
release it before I leave. So it
will be tomorrow morning. And

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Have yourselves a great weekend.
Dave. Brother. Thank you so

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01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,470
much, man. I really appreciate
you changing your schedule for

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this as well.

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01:54:08,580 --> 01:54:10,650
Dave Jones: Yeah, man.
Absolutely. I have a safe trip

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01:54:10,650 --> 01:54:13,140
to Houston. Hope it I hope you
have a good time. I expect to

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01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:14,160
expect a full report.

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Adam Curry: Full Report. Yes.
Right. We'll have it in the in

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01:54:16,350 --> 01:54:19,680
the meeting minutes. Yes,
indeed. Hi, everybody. Thank you

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very much for being here for the
board meeting of podcasting. 2.0

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01:54:23,130 --> 01:54:27,060
We'll be back next Friday. And
we'll do it all over again.

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