1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 8 2023, episode 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:11,370 145 value datian Hello everybody once again time for the board 3 00:00:11,370 --> 00:00:15,030 meeting of podcasting 2.0 The only boardroom that has zero 4 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:21,600 stock certificates and only one heart out today everything going 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,140 on with podcasting yeah you know that RSS stuff podcasting, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,280 everything happening a podcast index.org podcast index dot top, 7 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:32,850 the namespace and of course all the happenings in podcasts index 8 00:00:32,850 --> 00:00:35,580 dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 9 00:00:35,580 --> 00:00:38,880 Country and in Alabama the man whose middle initials are T L V 10 00:00:38,970 --> 00:00:41,580 Sanbona. My friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen the one 11 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:45,300 and only Mr. Jones 12 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:49,560 Dave Jones: this week the road caster is fully operational 13 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:51,630 Adam Curry: it is we did a quick little 14 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:52,200 Dave Jones: master. 15 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:56,130 Adam Curry: We did a little a little tweaking and it sounds 16 00:00:56,130 --> 00:01:00,840 good. Yeah, I mean, it really sounds good. Do you have a noise 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,760 gate on this thing? You have a noise gate setup 18 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:05,130 Dave Jones: that can do it. I got no This thing's been out of 19 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:07,770 the box for a maximum of 15 minutes. Oh, so we 20 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:10,350 Adam Curry: can still freeze up is what you're saying? Yeah. 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,430 Dave Jones: I'm gonna get I'm gonna get the boot halfway 22 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:14,550 through 23 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:17,580 Adam Curry: the show. So this is the this is the they sent you a 24 00:01:17,580 --> 00:01:18,450 new one, I presume? 25 00:01:19,470 --> 00:01:24,780 Dave Jones: Yes, they did. They called the B b&h photo people 26 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:25,680 and they 27 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:29,370 Adam Curry: they went Oh, yeah, okay, we know what that is. 28 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:32,370 Dave Jones: I said I submitted a ticket with Ro And they're like, 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Ah, don't don't don't bother with that. Don't just send you a 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,490 new one. 31 00:01:36,390 --> 00:01:37,890 Adam Curry: doesn't talk to anybody. 32 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:42,930 Dave Jones: They they did respond to my email about late 33 00:01:42,930 --> 00:01:45,420 last night. Oh, yeah, that was about a week later. 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,860 Adam Curry: Okay, was better No, I mean, I've reached out to many 35 00:01:49,860 --> 00:01:54,120 times nothing just the Oh really? No Yeah, no yeah, no 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:54,570 nothing 37 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:56,820 Dave Jones: nothing no, you're just the pod father and me well, 38 00:01:56,850 --> 00:01:57,240 what would 39 00:01:58,470 --> 00:02:01,410 Adam Curry: you are the pod sage? You'd expect somebody to 40 00:02:01,500 --> 00:02:03,480 do to respond somehow but I guess I 41 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:06,390 Dave Jones: guess oddly enough they didn't seem to realize that 42 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:09,600 Adam Curry: that did you shocking. Did you send out your 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,400 tweet and everything to do all that stuff? 44 00:02:11,910 --> 00:02:17,610 Dave Jones: I'm literally doing it well. You felt you felt it? 45 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:18,270 Yeah. 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,180 Adam Curry: Yes indeed. So a lot of stuff going on while you're 47 00:02:21,180 --> 00:02:25,980 doing that. We are letting live Hello chat room. We're not lit 48 00:02:26,010 --> 00:02:31,530 what we're doing what what is someone saying this? This is Oh 49 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:36,060 I'm in the wrong chat room. Here we go. There we go. People like 50 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:41,670 you're not go away. Are we late? Yeah, why are you here? Yeah, 51 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,420 what are you doing? This has no agenda go away. Okay. All right. 52 00:02:45,420 --> 00:02:49,140 So are we good here? Yes, we're good. You weren't it says we're 53 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:52,980 not lit. What do you mean I'm not lit? I am lit I pinged 54 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:55,770 everything and said good to go. Let me check again. Then let me 55 00:02:55,770 --> 00:03:00,900 see. Says live Yes, I did that. I saved that I published the 56 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:04,680 fee. I'll just do it again. Just just to prove the point. Why 57 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,310 not? 58 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,780 Dave Jones: You aren't. Quote cotton gin. You are not lit. 59 00:03:09,989 --> 00:03:12,989 Adam Curry: Yeah. It's not a helpful error message. Cotton 60 00:03:12,989 --> 00:03:18,449 Gin. I don't know what that means. Yes, he's mean like I'm 61 00:03:18,509 --> 00:03:21,299 like me personally, I'm not lit. No, I'm not lit. I stopped doing 62 00:03:21,299 --> 00:03:23,999 drugs in November last year. Sam Sethi 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,280 Dave Jones: said I was gonna watch rugby otherwise. 64 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,030 Adam Curry: Is he in the chat room? Is he the chat? Yeah, 65 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:32,910 Dave Jones: no, he's on he's on the mastodon. Oh, good to know 66 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:34,200 that we preempt the rugby 67 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,830 Adam Curry: now I do not forget to lit I didn't forget to lead I 68 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:41,340 did it. I lit it up. I lit it up by fire that thing up loud. 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,790 Anyway, so there's a lot going on in the world, but before we 70 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:52,950 sit talk about anything do you have your list from last week? I 71 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:56,580 had a heart out and and then there's all the stuff that you 72 00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:59,940 want to talk about. We wound up talking about funny enough about 73 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:04,680 the road caster and a lot about the music stuff. You had some 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,240 other important things on the list. 75 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:08,280 Dave Jones: Let me look at us. 76 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,930 Adam Curry: They were so important. Gotta look at the 77 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:13,740 list. Yeah. 78 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:17,880 Dave Jones: Well, you know, I still set I still I still sound 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,450 like a robot. But I don't understand. So I'll figure that 80 00:04:21,450 --> 00:04:21,570 out. 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,450 Adam Curry: You don't sound like a robot here. That's what's kind 82 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:25,020 of weird. 83 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:27,420 Dave Jones: It's actually kind of bothersome because it's 84 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:33,750 really it's, it's it's distracting me. I don't know. 85 00:04:33,750 --> 00:04:35,460 I'll figure it out. I'm gonna get over it because 86 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:38,070 Adam Curry: well, no, if it's distracting you we can we can 87 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:41,880 fix that. I'm good. But because cuz you did hit the robot button 88 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:42,570 earlier. 89 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:45,840 Dave Jones: Is that stuck with me that this that makes me sound 90 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:46,830 like a woman? Yeah. 91 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:49,860 Adam Curry: Is Is that what you're hearing in your 92 00:04:49,860 --> 00:04:50,580 headphones? 93 00:04:50,610 --> 00:04:54,330 Dave Jones: No, no, no. I mean, the buck like I said, this 94 00:04:54,330 --> 00:04:58,680 thing's been out of the box for 15 minutes and I couldn't even 95 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,470 get it hooked up to my computer through USB but I did manage to 96 00:05:01,470 --> 00:05:03,660 find the sound effects so you can see what's important to me. 97 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:06,300 Adam Curry: Well, I'm just make sure all other faders are down. 98 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:07,050 How about that? 99 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:10,260 Dave Jones: All other faders are down. Yeah. 100 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:14,010 Adam Curry: So if you look at your screen, there's nothing 101 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:17,310 else should be open except for the chat bubble and your and mic 102 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:17,730 one. 103 00:05:18,630 --> 00:05:22,860 Dave Jones: Yeah, I've got Mike one. Okay. Yeah. Mike one's all 104 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:27,060 the way up at the at the zero. It's like, at the neutral 105 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:27,540 position. 106 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:30,330 Adam Curry: Yeah. No, but it sounds feels to me like 107 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,640 something else is open that you're unaware of. 108 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:39,300 Dave Jones: This is probably true. It seeing is how 109 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:41,130 everything is unaware of. 110 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,980 Adam Curry: Well, do you see any other white lines on your 111 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:47,850 faders? Or is is everything down at the bottom? 112 00:05:48,419 --> 00:05:50,219 Dave Jones: Well, okay, so there's over on the right hand 113 00:05:50,219 --> 00:05:53,729 side, there's these three. On the screen. I'm at the screen. 114 00:05:54,209 --> 00:05:56,999 On the screen. There's the you know, there's like USB one, chat 115 00:05:56,999 --> 00:05:57,899 and USB two. 116 00:05:58,380 --> 00:06:00,540 Adam Curry: Right. So chat should be open. Everything else 117 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:01,380 should be closed. 118 00:06:02,159 --> 00:06:06,479 Dave Jones: Well, USB one has a red, like mute symbol, like, 119 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:10,439 slash? Speaker. That's good. Yeah, it's muted. Yeah, chat has 120 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:12,839 nothing. It's good. Like, there's no icons. That's good. 121 00:06:12,899 --> 00:06:15,809 That's good. and USB two has a slash through this to this 122 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:19,289 speaker. Okay, that's good. Yeah, okay. All right. Well, 123 00:06:19,289 --> 00:06:21,059 then it must be your ears. Just me. I'm just crazy. 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,090 Adam Curry: Alright, who knows what's going 125 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:26,040 Dave Jones: on? Powering forward, but, 126 00:06:26,340 --> 00:06:29,040 Adam Curry: but if it's hard for you to talk, then I want to fix 127 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:29,220 it. 128 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,310 Dave Jones: It's not hard for me to talk. I'm good with that. You 129 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:40,080 know, maybe I'm too loud in my own headphones. Okay. Because 130 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,610 the I prefer to for me to be lit for my volume to myself to be a 131 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:49,080 little bit lower and you to be jacked. Okay. I need you loud 132 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,890 and me soft. 133 00:06:50,790 --> 00:06:56,910 Adam Curry: That's what she said. Okay, so, so bring your 134 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:58,050 mic down. And 135 00:06:59,940 --> 00:07:01,560 Dave Jones: if I bring my mic down, that's gonna miss you 136 00:07:01,590 --> 00:07:04,410 Adam Curry: know, I'll now raise it up here. It's no problem. Go 137 00:07:04,410 --> 00:07:04,650 ahead. 138 00:07:05,340 --> 00:07:08,160 Dave Jones: So my mic to me now. It's still it's still doing it. 139 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,330 That's that didn't have an effect. 140 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:12,030 Adam Curry: But you didn't do anything? Did you lower your 141 00:07:12,030 --> 00:07:16,230 mic? I didn't see anything. Yes, I did. Okay, so it's lower and 142 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:19,170 it didn't get it didn't get less loud in your headphones. 143 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,400 Dave Jones: It did. But I still sound like I'm gonna cough 144 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:23,820 again. 145 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,850 Adam Curry: That may just be the sound. 146 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:31,020 Dave Jones: Do I normally sound like I'm in a 147 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:32,340 Adam Curry: coffee? Oh, you don't sound like you're in a 148 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:37,200 coffee camp? I think that's because the sound is crazy. No, 149 00:07:37,230 --> 00:07:41,160 I don't I have no idea. But I'll figure this out. I'll get it 150 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,280 figured as long as it's not a delay as long as it's just a 151 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,710 coffee can because you don't sound like you're gonna be a 152 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:49,620 Dave Jones: delay. IQ. That's a good point. It could be a delay. 153 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:52,170 It could be a slight delay. That's the issue. That was 154 00:07:52,170 --> 00:07:54,540 Adam Curry: my thinking is like this. You're hearing something 155 00:07:54,540 --> 00:08:01,110 coming back. See, this is riveting. Either way. Everyone's 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,940 excited about we could have done this before. I didn't know it 157 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:06,090 was 158 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:09,540 Dave Jones: technically could not have though, because I only 159 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:15,630 unboxed it, you know, 10 minutes before the show. I'm serious. I 160 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:16,740 can power through this. 161 00:08:16,740 --> 00:08:18,690 Adam Curry: Okay. All right. All right. Well, we will have to get 162 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:21,780 it fixed. Okay, to two big pieces of news. I'll start us 163 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:24,930 off with the news of the day. The news of the day, the news of 164 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:26,550 the day, clubhouse. 165 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:31,350 Dave Jones: That's, there's news about the club. Yeah. 166 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,039 Adam Curry: I was like I just always like to when when I was 167 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,559 right about something, just like to stomp it in people's face. 168 00:08:38,219 --> 00:08:38,549 Oh, did 169 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:39,360 Dave Jones: they shut down? Do they 170 00:08:39,689 --> 00:08:41,669 Adam Curry: know they're pivoting from live audio to 171 00:08:41,669 --> 00:08:47,639 group messaging? That's stupid. And I just want to remind 172 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:50,789 everybody how jacked and Judy you all were about these things? 173 00:08:51,179 --> 00:08:56,099 It's the future of podcasting. Oh, yeah. Scragg is fantastic. 174 00:08:56,099 --> 00:09:00,089 Yes. This is that this is that. This is where all podcasts will 175 00:09:00,089 --> 00:09:00,779 be done. 176 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,870 Dave Jones: clubhouse they, they're basically what anchor 177 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:13,320 was. The anchor did this to they they have a buddy who's in a 178 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:20,070 startup. It's, I'm sorry to hear. Well, he wasn't a startup, 179 00:09:20,070 --> 00:09:22,800 but they they pretty much shut down. 180 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:25,560 Adam Curry: I'm not laughing about them. But yeah, I'm 181 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,810 laughing about it. That's how it goes. And just no more money. 182 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:29,700 can't feed the beast. Yep. And he 183 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:32,370 Dave Jones: was like, he was like, we just we've only got 184 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,460 we're supposed to have like 25,000 users at this point. 185 00:09:35,460 --> 00:09:40,830 We've only got 270. And I was like, Well, you know, it sounds 186 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:45,300 like you're just you just need to switch from this thing to 187 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:48,780 this, like this other thing. He's like, Well, as I didn't 188 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:51,450 know, he didn't understand the pivot. He didn't understand how 189 00:09:51,450 --> 00:09:54,720 to pivot. So he's talking to these other guys who were in 190 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,090 start these startup developers and they were like, oh, yeah, 191 00:09:57,090 --> 00:09:59,970 we've we've pivoted like 15 times. He's like our original 192 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,140 product is not like that was that was like 16 pivots ago, 193 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:08,670 where now he knows like we started as a live streaming 194 00:10:08,670 --> 00:10:11,610 online. And now we're like a, you know, healthcare app. 195 00:10:13,469 --> 00:10:14,999 Adam Curry: The pivot that he should have made it should you 196 00:10:14,999 --> 00:10:19,409 call it one of these 50 companies that will do fake 197 00:10:19,409 --> 00:10:23,069 signups for you. Just before the board meeting this is this is 198 00:10:23,069 --> 00:10:26,279 what Silicon Valley is rife with. It's like, Hey, man, our 199 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,019 metric with our VC is it's either a number of users, number 200 00:10:31,019 --> 00:10:35,999 of x's, you know, whatever your KPIs are, and then you just go 201 00:10:35,999 --> 00:10:38,789 out and buy it, and then you go raise more money. 202 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:45,330 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's what that's that's the, that's not a 203 00:10:45,330 --> 00:10:49,560 whole lot different from the music streaming model. We're 204 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,070 Adam Curry: gonna get to that in a moment. The second piece of 205 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:57,390 news is, and again, I mean, I could see this coming down 206 00:10:57,390 --> 00:11:00,960 Broadway podcast one, finally. And they didn't really have an 207 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:08,580 IPO. They spun out of Live was it live something one, whatever 208 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:09,360 that's called 209 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:12,270 Dave Jones: Live one, live 210 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:17,820 Adam Curry: one. So they didn't raise money. Because normally a 211 00:11:17,820 --> 00:11:21,030 public offering is where you, you sell all the stock and you 212 00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:25,380 raise money. So this was all insiders, as far as I can tell. 213 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:30,450 And, you know, they rang and I was, look, I'm excited for 214 00:11:30,450 --> 00:11:36,120 anybody to go public, I've done it is a it's a very tough path. 215 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:40,500 Because, you know, you project your numbers every quarter, and 216 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,930 then you have to hit the numbers and you're scrambling to hit the 217 00:11:42,930 --> 00:11:45,390 numbers. And by the time you hit the numbers, like we got to 218 00:11:45,390 --> 00:11:49,110 start working on the next quarter. And it's a net it's 219 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:53,040 like, just like it's like a YouTube algo only with real 220 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,870 money and lots of angry people who own your stock. And it's 221 00:11:57,870 --> 00:12:01,050 just as bad if you over project so if people think oh, it's 222 00:12:01,050 --> 00:12:03,360 great, we beat our numbers that's actually not a good 223 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,030 thing. Because they say well, how come you couldn't predict 224 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:10,650 it? You have to be able to be idiots Yeah, if it's you know, 225 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:12,120 you got to have a good reason for the 226 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,570 Dave Jones: surprise. Or it must have been a fluke. Exactly and 227 00:12:15,570 --> 00:12:18,300 Adam Curry: so I saw them on this all these people are 228 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,630 ringing the NASDAQ Bell this morning. That's cute and and 229 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:27,240 then the stock was just not hitting the tape of like, 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,040 where's it where's it that's always a bad sign. One because 231 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,890 that means there's some issue with the pricing so the they 232 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:39,990 were priced at $8 to come out at $8 and not hitting the tape 233 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:42,210 means they haven't started trading that which means the 234 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:45,870 underwriter whoever is the market maker for the stock 235 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:50,970 doesn't have the buyers to support the $8 236 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:55,020 Dave Jones: Oh, oh yeah. If you can't get an initial trade then 237 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:56,370 you have no price Yeah, 238 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,490 Adam Curry: well so the price so it was I've been I've been 239 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:03,090 through a pricing is very it's very harrowing. You know, it's 240 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:06,420 like it because you have all kinds of insiders who have 241 00:13:06,420 --> 00:13:08,910 agreements like hey, man, you gotta cut this got to commodity 242 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:11,730 dollars. Yeah, but you got to hold don't flip it. Everyone 243 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:15,390 lies everyone lies in this game. And it's horrible. And these 244 00:13:15,390 --> 00:13:18,600 guys had a rough ride this morning. They finally came out 245 00:13:18,630 --> 00:13:27,930 around see what time they came out? They came out at 1118 1115 246 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:35,100 is when they hit the tape at $8 plunged immediately to under 247 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:41,370 five and a half then when they were when as low as $4.10 Yeah, 248 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,690 they had four trading halts last time I looked which means you 249 00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:48,930 know there's it's so volatile that they that you know there's 250 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,950 this is the this is the free market everybody Oh crap. People 251 00:13:52,950 --> 00:13:56,310 are losing their shirts. It's our guys hold it stop the 252 00:13:56,310 --> 00:14:00,690 training. Yes, it's so free. Yeah. Free. Yeah. Complete open 253 00:14:00,690 --> 00:14:01,770 market for free market 254 00:14:01,770 --> 00:14:05,070 Dave Jones: was this pod sees? Yes. Yeah. Pod see? 255 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:05,490 Adam Curry: Yeah. 256 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,470 Dave Jones: Is it $4.14? 257 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:10,200 Adam Curry: Yeah, for 49 right now. So that's so that's a fair 258 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,110 price, then that would be the price but a lot of people got 259 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:16,980 screwed. Especially if they knew because I think that they were 260 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:20,820 trying to lure a lot of podcasters in like, hey, you 261 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:23,400 know, we'll give you the stock and who knows what the insider 262 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,130 price was? I guess we could figure it out. But for people 263 00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:28,800 who were thinking they got it at eight bucks. You know, that's 264 00:14:28,830 --> 00:14:31,140 that's quite a hurtful day. And it just doesn't look at this 265 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:35,820 will take many quarters to get this backup over the IPO price. 266 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,230 Dave Jones: Well, they're still 10 times more than BuzzFeed. So 267 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:40,800 they're all good. 268 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,340 Adam Curry: Plus, are they completely bankrupt? Are they 269 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:45,270 completely gone? 270 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:49,440 Dave Jones: There's stuck is it 36 cents? Just interesting to be 271 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,210 on the side of my screen? Yeah, yeah. 272 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:55,320 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's too bad. Well, they should do what 273 00:14:55,410 --> 00:15:00,270 what apparently what apparently everybody is doing is scam Hey, 274 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,250 I mean, holy crap, you and I had a, we've had some conversations 275 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:08,370 with some artists and people in the music business and who have 276 00:15:08,370 --> 00:15:13,080 kind of flocking to us. Which is is beautiful to see and and the 277 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,520 excitement in value for value music being played on podcast, 278 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:20,340 there's a there's certainly excitement from podcasters who 279 00:15:20,340 --> 00:15:22,950 are like, how do I do it? How do I do it? I don't understand 280 00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:27,270 split kids so hard. What? Which is all true. 281 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:30,570 Dave Jones: All true. 100% True, yes. 282 00:15:30,689 --> 00:15:33,659 Adam Curry: 100%. And I'm just getting email after email on 283 00:15:33,659 --> 00:15:37,889 hey, how do I get considered how can I how can you? How will you 284 00:15:37,889 --> 00:15:42,869 play my song? And so I said, Well, here are the four places 285 00:15:42,869 --> 00:15:48,989 you can get your music up. And, and along the way, holy crap, 286 00:15:48,989 --> 00:15:52,979 and we gotten a look into what's happening, how it works. It 287 00:15:52,979 --> 00:15:57,119 let's put it this way. Value for value music on podcast, there is 288 00:15:57,119 --> 00:16:02,399 no competition. It is a complete blue sky open field. There's no 289 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:06,329 Greenfield, Greenfield blue sky, there is nothing stopping 290 00:16:06,329 --> 00:16:10,529 anybody from being successful. Because Spotify and the 291 00:16:10,529 --> 00:16:18,689 streaming platforms is a humongous scam. And, I mean, the 292 00:16:18,689 --> 00:16:23,609 takeaway is, if you want to even be considered to hit the 293 00:16:23,609 --> 00:16:28,919 algorithm, you've got to have 10,000, what they call streams, 294 00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:32,789 which I guess is listens, people listening. And who knows if that 295 00:16:32,789 --> 00:16:36,929 means for one second for a whole song or whatever. But with 296 00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:40,799 Spotify, I'm just using Spotify as the example of which Spotify 297 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,799 will disqualify any at random what they say, oh, no, that's 298 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:47,249 not a valid stream. Because of course, the minute you're an 299 00:16:47,249 --> 00:16:50,039 artist, you get all kinds of emails from all these companies, 300 00:16:50,039 --> 00:16:52,019 the same ones that have been doing this for Silicon Valley 301 00:16:52,019 --> 00:16:56,129 companies for years, hey, you know, we can we can get your 302 00:16:56,129 --> 00:16:59,909 5000 streams and get you and get you 50 streams, we'll get you on 303 00:16:59,909 --> 00:17:02,939 a playlist, it's important to be on the playlist, the top 304 00:17:02,939 --> 00:17:08,789 playlists will get you blogs, and everything costs money. And 305 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:12,389 then you still have to release a new track every five weeks, 306 00:17:12,389 --> 00:17:15,029 five, every five weeks, you have to release new music, otherwise, 307 00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:19,169 the algo drops you This is horrible. 308 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Dave Jones: So we already know that we already know that the 309 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:31,500 streaming companies like Spotify, did they down? They 310 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:34,920 don't want you streaming the big stuff. Because they have that 311 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:38,550 they have to pay for that. Right? So they want they what 312 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:42,960 they want is for playlists that we saw were like I think cash is 313 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,810 probably been about a year ago that we watched a video where 314 00:17:45,810 --> 00:17:49,950 this guy kind of went through it. And he said, if you start a 315 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:58,500 playlist, let's just say fame, like a jet hot jazz. And then 316 00:17:59,130 --> 00:18:02,610 the first four or five songs will be songs that you didn't 317 00:18:02,610 --> 00:18:04,500 you know, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know that I know, these bands. 318 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,850 By the time it gets to like Song 10 it you don't know any of 319 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:10,470 these artists anymore? They're, 320 00:18:10,919 --> 00:18:13,199 Adam Curry: they're just, they're all people who have paid 321 00:18:13,199 --> 00:18:15,839 to be on that playlist. Right? And that 322 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,920 Dave Jones: that's so that's the streaming company not they don't 323 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,290 need to. This is my opinion. They don't need to. They don't 324 00:18:25,290 --> 00:18:28,710 have to pay out for that. Correct. So they they want. 325 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:32,520 They're getting paid. Yeah. So you don't like they don't have 326 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,250 to pay the royalty they're getting that like the money's 327 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:39,150 coming back to them. It's they don't they're not they're giving 328 00:18:39,150 --> 00:18:41,670 out their let's say, what would you what would you call that 329 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:45,750 they're giving preference to the lower tier artists that are 330 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:48,810 having to pay to get in the game. So they don't have to make 331 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:52,470 a payout. Instead, they're getting paid. Yeah, it's such a 332 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:53,820 scam. If you 333 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:56,550 Adam Curry: look at really what's going on here, Spotify, I 334 00:18:56,550 --> 00:19:04,410 think they do about $3 billion a quarter in, in in revenue. And 335 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:10,830 something like $800 million is left over in gross gross profit. 336 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:15,120 So this you know that the people who own Spotify who own the 337 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:20,310 shares and who have all the back end deals are the labels. So you 338 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:23,460 know, if you're if you're signed to a label, which by the way you 339 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:28,260 label will not even consider you unless you have a million social 340 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:34,320 network followers. Because they need that to trigger all the 341 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,500 algos. I mean, it's all so insidious, that actually the 342 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:41,520 labels they control the money flow, they control everything. 343 00:19:41,550 --> 00:19:44,160 Oh, it's just time to suck out 800 million Yeah, a time to suck 344 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,880 out a billion dollars. It's this month and they just spin up the 345 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,640 algos and then it's all their stuff. And then you know, 346 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:53,970 they're artists, they have the publishing they, they own all of 347 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:57,840 it. And that's why people are left with nothing. Right? The 348 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,140 whole thing is basically a business huge scam that people 349 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:05,550 are very tired of. And now I understand the enthusiasm. 350 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:10,590 Because, you know, here, it can imagine if Shawn had 10,000 351 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:17,490 streams of a value for value song. It mean, even even at 352 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:20,220 today's low sat level just streaming out even booster 353 00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:21,780 grams, you'd be doing pretty good. 354 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:26,550 Dave Jones: You know, I think that this has got to do more 355 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:30,900 with that I want to say this, I mean, people coming, getting 356 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:34,860 excited about value about value for value and about podcasts and 357 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:41,040 people to music. I think it's got more to do with it. It's got 358 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,870 less to do with money and more with appreciation. Yes. And just 359 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:49,950 the straightforward nature of it. Yeah, like, there's no, the 360 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:55,140 lack of games. Here. You just you just like, Okay, you, you, 361 00:20:55,170 --> 00:21:00,450 you put it you put your music up. And then it goes out and 362 00:21:00,450 --> 00:21:04,200 people either listen, or they don't know, there's nothing. 363 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:08,550 There's no brokers in here trying to broker traffic. And 364 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:14,370 it's just, it's a pure peer to peer like, like creator to 365 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:18,360 listener connection. So like, if you're for us, like we're on 366 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:22,320 the, you know, like on the top 100 chart, what we've been 367 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:28,380 building here is that I was noticing you can you could lie 368 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:33,390 in boost in, like send a whole bunch of booths. But you can't 369 00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:38,220 lie about the amount. Right? Sats are what they are. Our our 370 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:42,900 lightning node gets the gets a lightning transaction. So there 371 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:48,270 was some there was there was there were Satoshis there. And 372 00:21:48,270 --> 00:21:52,950 you can't pretend that there were more or less what it is, I 373 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:57,480 mean, like the transactions is just what it is. So there's no 374 00:21:57,690 --> 00:22:02,040 gamesmanship, because there's no way if you run your own, like in 375 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,450 the most pure sense of this, if you run your own node, and then 376 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:11,130 you publish your own feed with your own music, you either get 377 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:16,380 paid or you don't write, there's nobody telling you, oh, well, we 378 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:19,860 paid you off of this amount of streams. But really now we 379 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:22,950 figured out that you that you had 1000 Less streams. So we're 380 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:25,380 going to we're going to take a chunk of your money away. 381 00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:27,900 There's no brokerage. 382 00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:33,000 Adam Curry: But besides that, we've you don't have to, to get 383 00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:37,080 airplay on today's radio stations. Forget about it. First 384 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,220 of all, all these stations are owned by heart. You know, so you 385 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:44,130 have to go through the iHeart system if you want to be added. 386 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:46,710 You know, it's like oh, every Tuesday there's a that's when 387 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:49,860 all the labels and they're independent record promoters if 388 00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:52,380 there's still any left that calling all the stations Hey, 389 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:54,690 man, you got to add this record, it's really important is great. 390 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:58,800 It's popping in and people are talking about it in Idaho. And 391 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,670 you know, the artist is going on tour and there's stuff that 392 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:05,640 stopped bubbling under added added added added. And there's 393 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,950 only room for a couple of ads. Now of the 100,000 new songs 394 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:16,050 that come out every week. In reality that people add to 395 00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:18,900 Spotify or whatever or per month I mean, it's huge amount of 396 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:23,100 tracks. There's only so much that that you can get added to a 397 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:27,030 limited number of radio stations within your limited format. 398 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:31,170 Imagine you can't just be putting your hip hop record on 399 00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:36,060 the country station now so it's all very segmented it's all in 400 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:39,540 it's all they're all in it. They're all in the it's much 401 00:23:39,540 --> 00:23:42,540 worse than I imagined it was I had no idea how bad this gotten. 402 00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:48,570 And I think that probably some Spotify podcast business maybe 403 00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:54,000 working the same way but with fake streams and gosh knows what 404 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:54,510 else. 405 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:57,870 Dave Jones: He made a comment about the being so attached to 406 00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:00,570 social media like yet to have, you know, a million Tik Tok 407 00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:04,590 followers or something like that. That was johnsburg like 408 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:10,230 yesterday in the podcast indexed a social I posted a clip from 409 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:15,810 Mark ask Mark Asquith podcast where he's lamenting, you know, 410 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:21,000 I don't want to get into these lamenting how people are so 411 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,030 belligerent about a podcast. 412 00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:26,070 Adam Curry: Oh, he was clearly talking about now. He's clearly 413 00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:27,030 talking about me. 414 00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:30,000 Dave Jones: And no, I don't think I listened to the whole 415 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,610 episode. Oh, did you specifically 416 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,300 Adam Curry: Oh, we did because I made a comment. I boosted the 417 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,540 new media show. The reason why I thought it was about me is 418 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:44,850 because he said snark and I, and I had listened to the I'll get 419 00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:47,220 into it for a second. Anyway, I listened to the new music, the 420 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:50,970 new media show as I do all the time. And Todd wasn't there. It 421 00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:58,110 was Rob and he had some someone on I forget. She was from some 422 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:05,610 podcast company. And and Rob was doing his shield dance. He's 423 00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:09,450 like, Well, you know, it's generational, that you have to 424 00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:13,740 have RSS people consider YouTube a podcast. And I boosted like, 425 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:21,390 who are you? That was cool, are you? And let's just separate. 426 00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:24,030 Let's just separate it out. I don't I don't care what people 427 00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:27,360 call a podcast. I'll go on Joe Rogan. And I will say, Yep, 428 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,330 you're a podcast even though he's not. But if you're in the 429 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:35,190 business, the whole point is to protect what we're doing. And if 430 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:38,190 you're teaching people Oh, yeah, YouTube's a podcast. Oh, yeah. 431 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:41,460 Spotify is a great place to put your music. No, you won't be 432 00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:44,460 running around in a hamster wheel there. You're doing people 433 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:48,840 a disservice. That's my point. And I got a little I forgive 434 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,450 Rob, but I get a little irked when he says, it's generational. 435 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,370 IE, you're an old fuck. That's what that's what that means. 436 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:57,600 Generational. 437 00:25:57,929 --> 00:26:00,239 Dave Jones: This is the prediction. Urban Dictionary. 438 00:26:00,509 --> 00:26:01,859 Generational means your your 439 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,100 Adam Curry: give my language? 440 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:11,880 Dave Jones: Yes. Well. Yeah. So he's, so mark specifically 441 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,330 excluded you he said, about two thirds of the way through, he 442 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:19,560 said, No, I'm not. I'm not talking about, you know, the 443 00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:23,940 podcasting. tuple No, people gave in. Okay, all right. All 444 00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:26,610 right, you're doing stuff. They're actually doing stuff. 445 00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:30,180 You know, all the time. They're working to make this big. But 446 00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:31,200 you know, he specifically 447 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,050 Adam Curry: wasn't Donald, okay, because I started listening to 448 00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:36,960 it. And I'm like, I just, I just gonna get mad. So I turn it off. 449 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:43,050 Dave Jones: Yeah, but, but I think your point is my point as 450 00:26:43,050 --> 00:26:49,800 well, which is, and I think Mark was, was confusing, a whole lot 451 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,600 of different topics all together. 452 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:54,240 Adam Curry: It's also easy to do that when you when your company 453 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,820 has been bought, and you're getting a salary. I just point 454 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,270 that out. It's a lot easier to talk and to criticize. 455 00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:05,610 Dave Jones: Well, the heat. So you know, one of the, one of the 456 00:27:05,610 --> 00:27:08,850 points he can make him was if he told if we want this to be an 457 00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:11,970 industry if we want this industry to get talking. It 458 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:15,630 sounded like he's talking to industry people. Yeah. And if 459 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:21,690 that's the case, then I'm sort of I'm sort of of the opinion 460 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:23,520 that there actually is no podcast industry. 461 00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:26,910 Adam Curry: Where do you there's no industry? That's the podcast 462 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:30,540 industry industrial complex. Yes. But that, but there's no 463 00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:31,620 industry. I agree. 464 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:38,880 Dave Jones: And that is all. So what, what has what happens is, 465 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:43,620 people begin to allow the definition of what a podcast is 466 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:48,000 to be changed in order to follow the digital advertising your 467 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,640 money, the money. Exactly. If, if the if the people in the 468 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,300 podcast industrial complex, who are responsible for doing these 469 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,630 reports, and these surveys in and there's a whole ton of them, 470 00:28:00,630 --> 00:28:04,860 there's, you know, Edison of Signal Hill inside Magellan. I 471 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:06,360 mean, there's just there's these 472 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:10,980 Adam Curry: people who say it's a $2.3 billion business, which I 473 00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:12,660 can't find the money. 474 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,460 Dave Jones: Yeah, exactly. It's, there's so many people who are 475 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:23,190 sort of tracking, podcasts, podcast, podcasting, as if it's 476 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:27,120 an industry as if it's an industry that is solely 477 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,050 dependent upon digital advertising revenue. If that's 478 00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:35,910 your mindset, if that's your model, that if you're one of 479 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:38,430 these companies, and that is your model that the podcast that 480 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:44,940 podcasting consists of media distribution, that is supported 481 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:48,150 monetarily by digital advertising revenue, if that's 482 00:28:48,150 --> 00:28:53,820 your definition of podcasting. It makes perfect sense to be 483 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:57,900 aggravated when people say that YouTube is not a podcast. Yeah. 484 00:28:57,930 --> 00:29:01,170 Because actually, you need that you need YouTube to be a 485 00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:05,610 podcast, because you're red, because you're, you've defined 486 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:12,540 it that way. Yeah, but so but the danger here and this is the 487 00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:16,050 danger here is what has happened to the music industry. Exactly. 488 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,840 The music industry is now attached to social media, like 489 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,880 tick tock in a way it has become it has evolved to have a 490 00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:28,560 umbilical cord 491 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,440 Adam Curry: it's a plantation. Yes. 492 00:29:31,890 --> 00:29:36,240 Dave Jones: to So to social media, specifically tick tock in 493 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,540 such a way that the music industry literally cannot 494 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:41,730 survive without social media. Now, 495 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:46,440 Adam Curry: the guys who used to give the early Stax record, even 496 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,260 probably early mode, I would want to have a motor but the 497 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:54,720 early early music guys who had the distribution, which was 498 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,230 trucks, and who had the recording facilities who would 499 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:02,640 give their artists a catalog Back, they would have loved what 500 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,600 is what this has become. It is so sophisticated. And I'll bet 501 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,350 you the music, the music, the labels, they probably own the 502 00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:15,150 scam companies that by you that by YouTube streams and playlist 503 00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:19,950 positions have wouldn't put it past them at all. Now or their 504 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:23,550 or their cousin or their brother or someone else owns it's so 505 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:30,360 it's so it's so sad. Because I mean even if you if you get some 506 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,820 so forget the fact that you get paid on streams, you have to 507 00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:36,600 have 10,000 A month every month. The fact that his 508 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,750 Dave Jones: stream was removed happens to be the same number as 509 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:42,540 what YouTube required for monetization. This 10,000 510 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:43,200 Number. Isn't that 511 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,790 Adam Curry: interesting? I think it's also downloads on podcast 512 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:50,250 if I'm not mistaken. Yep. I think it's the same 513 00:30:50,969 --> 00:30:54,119 Dave Jones: 1000s Yeah, just arbitrary number that follows 514 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,639 everybody around the digital advertising about that. 515 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,870 Adam Curry: Whereas, I mean, I saw it with a relatively new 516 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:04,620 artist, Jeff Smith. Jeff's not a new artist. But Jeff has been 517 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,430 around Jeff is in Nashville. Jeff knows everything Jeff has 518 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:11,100 seen it all. And he's a performing musician. He does 519 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:16,020 crazy pianos. Sometimes he tours with the band. He drives to I 520 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:22,170 think Cleveland once every two weeks to do like four days of 521 00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:25,410 crazy dueling pianos there. I mean, he's a working musician. 522 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:30,360 Now, when Jeff sees SATs coming in, he knows he's not going to 523 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,870 feed his family off what he just got. But he's super excited. 524 00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:37,350 He's like, people are listening, I can see this, this coming in 525 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:42,390 in real time. For people who are hearing the pew pew in the 526 00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:45,600 background, that's that's heli pad. That's people who are 527 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,960 listening and sending Satoshis in real time, that is actually 528 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:55,650 booster grams. So that that, yeah, that its value. Dacian. 529 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,610 There you go. There's my term, value Dacian I gotta write that 530 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,510 you just do that. validation, I'm writing it down, like 531 00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:07,890 infotainment, only different value datian It makes you feel 532 00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:10,470 good. And then when you see hey, wait a minute, there's, you know 533 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,700 if, and this, this is the beauty. Because it'd been many, 534 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,500 many, many projects where people put their music up and solicit 535 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,770 payments, I think the Patreon you can still do that on 536 00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:25,500 Patreon. There's been crowdfunding for albums, all of 537 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:32,310 that works, but at scale to be able to create something this is 538 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:36,450 where podcasting comes in. This is this is where it happens. We 539 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:41,550 there is no competition. Radio guys can't do this. They will 540 00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:45,690 not understand it. Radio can't pivot they they're stuck in 541 00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:52,200 their ways. The traditional music business it's does not 542 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,730 compute to them that people can listen to a song enjoy music and 543 00:32:56,730 --> 00:33:00,690 not pay for it only only send value if they want to that it's 544 00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:03,120 just not it's not it doesn't it's not in their DNA. It never 545 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,840 will be. It never will be. But when you have Ainsley Costello, 546 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:14,190 who, you know shows up on podcasts and is talking about 547 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:17,640 her music and they play her music and the wallet switches 548 00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:22,500 and then she's although I don't think that happened on Putnams 549 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,860 weekly review, but only played a little bit. But you know, that's 550 00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:31,080 Now you're talking. Something that that really works. 551 00:33:32,850 --> 00:33:36,810 Dave Jones: Well, if you so you sent me a video the other day 552 00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:38,700 trying to remember 553 00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:41,670 Adam Curry: that was at the rap guy. Yeah, yeah. rap guy. Yeah. 554 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,280 Dave Jones: And so he made a comment in there. I don't know 555 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,600 if you remember this, where he he talked about this phenomenon 556 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:53,610 of rappers that get millions of streams, but they can't sell 557 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:53,790 out. 558 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:56,640 Adam Curry: You know, what, if no one shows up at their shows? 559 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:56,940 Yeah. 560 00:33:57,719 --> 00:33:59,849 Dave Jones: You literally have to cancel the shows because they 561 00:33:59,849 --> 00:34:03,599 didn't sell any tickets. Exactly. That's a scam. We we 562 00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:08,729 already see this in podcasting to the like, you might call it 563 00:34:08,729 --> 00:34:13,079 like paper popularity or their sequel, their sequel, famous, 564 00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:15,149 you know, they're just famous in a database somewhere. They're 565 00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:18,209 not they're not actually. So they don't actually have like 566 00:34:18,209 --> 00:34:21,449 this. They don't yeah, they don't actually have real ears 567 00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:26,399 that they care about lists don't have a real audience, right, 568 00:34:26,429 --> 00:34:29,879 that will follow them. And that's what happens if an 569 00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:34,319 industry gives up. Its independence. If the if the 570 00:34:34,319 --> 00:34:38,669 podcasting, quote unquote, industry, gives up its 571 00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:42,599 independence and lets some and just follows whatever the 572 00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:47,399 current definition of digital advertising is, if that happens, 573 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:51,569 it's going to give up its future. It's gonna give up it's 574 00:34:51,689 --> 00:34:55,709 a humongous chunk of revenue, and any illusion of control that 575 00:34:55,709 --> 00:34:58,259 it ever had over its own destiny, 576 00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:00,120 Adam Curry: and they'll be slaves and will be slaves. As 577 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,410 slaves, 578 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,780 Dave Jones: you're just gonna You were just going to plug 579 00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:08,430 yourself in to the digital advertising ecosystem in 580 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:11,940 whichever way that wind blows, that's going to drag you right 581 00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:14,370 along with it. And you're going to have no more control over it. 582 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:15,030 None. 583 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:17,040 Adam Curry: But the but the beautiful thing is and this is 584 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:23,160 where we can end this argument is I don't care because RSS RSS 585 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:33,810 will exist. RSS is is. You know, it's like what is I'm gonna say, 586 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,680 bear don't give a crap. Honey Badger honey badger, honey. 587 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:42,780 Yeah. Honey Badger. That's what RSS is. And I always love Well, 588 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,190 you know, the industry is so young. It's 20 years old. We're 589 00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:51,540 talking about it's not young. That's code for we're not making 590 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,240 money yet. No one's making money. Everyone's losing money. 591 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:54,930 Stop. 592 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:57,420 Dave Jones: Stop already, television had already had his 593 00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,770 own mob in his mind, you know, the mafia was already sold out 594 00:36:01,770 --> 00:36:03,060 to us long term. Yeah, 595 00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:06,150 Adam Curry: yeah. So we're on the right track. And I'm very 596 00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:12,000 excited. And, and I would love to see the tools coming online, 597 00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:16,260 I saw a semi angry email from Todd, which I always love when 598 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:19,650 he gets off, because that means he's doing something like this. 599 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,950 So hard. Yeah, this has died on and we know this. Not to be 600 00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:25,890 separate, right? Let's make it happen. That means Todd is 601 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:30,150 working very hard on trying to get the value time splits 602 00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:34,200 working into blueberry or something installed. Right, 603 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:39,030 right before he shifts. But just so we can make make clear what 604 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:42,570 needs to happen. And I'm so delighted that what at what 605 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:47,370 seems to be working is people are feeding into podcasting 606 00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:51,210 decks. That's what the indexes for the index is supposed to be 607 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,960 the neutral place where you can put put all the feeds in. And of 608 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,690 course, you can download the database and have your own copy 609 00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:00,210 and do whatever you want to do set up as a separate one next to 610 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:05,070 it if you want, it's all fine. So if I'm just gonna say 611 00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:10,320 blueberry just make it easy. If someone played a song in their 612 00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:13,020 in their podcast, so you don't have to be doing a show, like 613 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,510 boost to Graham ball, let's just say your chat and say, Hey, 614 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:17,820 let's play it. Let's play Jeff Smith for a second, you know, 615 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:21,210 like we do on podcasting 2.0, then all you have to do in the 616 00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:25,890 post production is in your little interface there. Go and 617 00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:30,720 say, Okay, we played this song, Jeff Smith, and it'll search the 618 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,820 podcast index. And with the API and music medium equals music 619 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,150 pops up, you add that and you just put the start time, and 620 00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:41,700 then everything else is done, then you're done, then you don't 621 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,370 have to change anything else. Of course, under the hood, that's 622 00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:47,160 where the value time split has to be put into feed. But it's 623 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,320 not super hard. That's what split kit basically does. That's 624 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,630 it. There's no step three. I know I make it sound really 625 00:37:57,630 --> 00:38:00,840 easy. But But that's, that's what has to be done. And then 626 00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:04,860 and then people will do that. And we're going to create a I 627 00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:10,320 mean, now is the best time to become a podcaster. And a best 628 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,270 time to get your music, podcast value for value enabled, whether 629 00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:20,580 it's on wavelength or music side project or dystopia, or RSS 630 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:24,990 blue.com. Wherever you are in your sovereign feeds.com You 631 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:27,570 know, all of this stuff, you can do so many different ways to do 632 00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:32,400 it. And, yeah, is it complicated right now? Yeah. But that's 633 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:34,290 that's what people are, are simplifying. 634 00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:37,680 Dave Jones: We'll meet music is just, that's just step one. I 635 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:44,220 mean, audio books are next. Podcast hosting companies. I 636 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:46,620 boosted into new media show the other day, and I don't think 637 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:48,210 Todd read any booths on the show. 638 00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:50,670 Adam Curry: He only read mine 639 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,860 Dave Jones: during the show on with him and Rob 640 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's the beginning. Yeah, that's that's 641 00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:02,850 like, oh, Adam snarky. Okay. Generational old man. 642 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,370 Dave Jones: Well, the, you know, what I'd written in was that 643 00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:13,920 podcast hosting companies. They had they hold in their hand, the 644 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:21,390 RSS is a district edits core. RSS is a content distribution 645 00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:27,420 mechanism. That's all it is. It is a content delivery method. 646 00:39:27,420 --> 00:39:33,930 Correct. And it exists right now with a pipeline from podcast 647 00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:38,370 hosting companies, even if you run it yourself. Podcast hosting 648 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:42,990 companies down to millions of what you would call radio 649 00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:47,370 receivers. In Adam curry parlance. Yes. The system is 650 00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:53,220 already there. It is fully baked with one tweak of the medium 651 00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:57,360 tag. Podcast hosting companies have the ability to have in 652 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,410 their hands the ability to blow up malt Four industries. Yep. 653 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,579 Adam Curry: What? It's not immediately let me just say it's 654 00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:10,529 not even blowing up an industry. It's a whole total zig zag. 655 00:40:11,219 --> 00:40:14,879 You're not even in there. You're not even in their in their wake. 656 00:40:14,879 --> 00:40:17,909 It's not important. You're not competing with them. You're on a 657 00:40:17,909 --> 00:40:21,809 whole different level. It's that's why I say it's blue sky 658 00:40:21,809 --> 00:40:24,869 green fields is all open. No one's doing this. Nobody. 659 00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:29,039 Nobody's doing it's so it's so obvious to me. 660 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,710 Dave Jones: It's not a blow up. It's a circumvent Yeah, that's 661 00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:32,640 right. Yeah, it's 662 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,650 Adam Curry: totally oh, we're just gonna stand over here with 663 00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:37,500 it. We're over here putting our tents up with our little lean 664 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,230 tos and our shanties. Yeah, we continue 665 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:43,170 Dave Jones: deciding our opting out of this. Yes, yes, 666 00:40:43,439 --> 00:40:46,139 Adam Curry: yes, exactly. And we've proven that we've proven 667 00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:49,049 that it can work. And you know, and within the next few years, 668 00:40:49,049 --> 00:40:55,139 we'll see podcasters, sustaining on value for values. Boosts and 669 00:40:55,139 --> 00:40:57,869 booster grams and streaming, and we'll definitely see it with 670 00:40:57,869 --> 00:40:59,729 artists. Definitely. 671 00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:07,140 Dave Jones: Did you? Did you see, by the way, Spurlock's 672 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,950 chart of 673 00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:10,920 Adam Curry: option Yeah, that was beautiful. Tell everybody 674 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,230 about it, there was there was a proud little moment for us. 675 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:18,060 Dave Jones: Is that that was great. Like, let me see if I can 676 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,100 find that post. Because he, 677 00:41:20,609 --> 00:41:24,989 Adam Curry: he basically he did. He did a chart of declared and 678 00:41:25,499 --> 00:41:29,189 declared namespaces and then namespaces that are actually 679 00:41:29,189 --> 00:41:30,509 used in feeds. 680 00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:38,280 Dave Jones: Yeah. Meaning in the usage means, like, are they? Did 681 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,770 they just declared in their head? Or are they actually using 682 00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:47,190 tags? Right, right. And so you have the items namespace is sort 683 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:52,320 of the benchmark is what is that that is the 100%. So everything, 684 00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:57,660 every podcast RSS feed, currently in his body of 685 00:41:57,870 --> 00:42:02,580 research feeds, is using the iTunes namespace, every feed has 686 00:42:02,580 --> 00:42:03,180 it and what 687 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:05,610 Adam Curry: that what that means is that the RSS feed just for 688 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:08,220 people who are listening in and don't know what the heck we're 689 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:12,390 talking about, that means the RSS feed is signaling, hey, 690 00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:16,440 there's special functionality in here in this RSS feed that is 691 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,700 inherent to iTunes. And because it's iTunes and podcasting, it 692 00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:25,200 really blew up with with iTunes and the iPod. Pretty much 693 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,680 everybody uses the you know, all these tags since it was 694 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,850 compatible with Apple. 695 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,620 Dave Jones: And if you break it down, that obviously iTunes is 696 00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:38,700 going to be is going to be the number one there. It's not 697 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,360 that's not an not a surprise at that. If you break it down a 698 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,250 little bit further, if you say, Adam, the Adam namespace is 699 00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:51,480 pretty much declared by default in most content in most CMS is 700 00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:59,100 because you get it's, it has been that way for a long time, 701 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,700 because you get certain features with it's, you're what you're 702 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:07,590 doing is you're overlaying the atom ability to do links and 703 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:12,330 stuff on to RSS. It's just that got adopted years and years ago. 704 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:15,540 You still you see that in all of RSS that's not specific to 705 00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:18,240 podcasting in any way. No, that was does does it? Yeah. 706 00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:21,330 Adam Curry: Adam was actually a group, which I think was 707 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:26,100 Microsoft related. I'm thinking, who who looked at RSS and wait, 708 00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:28,740 no, that's not right. We need to make it complicated. 709 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:31,020 Dave Jones: I thought it was Google. It might have been it 710 00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:31,410 might have been 711 00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:33,270 Adam Curry: Google might have been Google. Yeah. But well, we 712 00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:36,210 have to make it more complicated and all these weird features. 713 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:40,500 And so they competed with RSS, and I would say RSS, arguably 714 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:41,040 one 715 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,060 Dave Jones: in that. It's very much the same. So the top, we'll 716 00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:51,840 see 123456. So the top six are iTunes, Adam, the Content 717 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,610 namespace, the Dublin Core namespace anchor in the podcast 718 00:43:56,610 --> 00:44:03,600 namespace. So declare, declared use over 25% of podcast feeds 719 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,870 are now declaring the podcast namespace Wow. To me, that's 720 00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:07,440 giant. 721 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,670 Adam Curry: Within a couple of years from zero, yes, yes. Yeah. 722 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:15,420 Dave Jones: And then Adam is in there, by default, the same 723 00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:21,180 content, the Content namespace. The it's declared a lot, but 724 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:25,650 it's actually not used, right. As much as it used to be because 725 00:44:25,860 --> 00:44:29,340 iTunes used to Apple used to recommend that for the content, 726 00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:32,430 it just really only for one purpose is for to get the 727 00:44:32,430 --> 00:44:36,240 content encoded tag. Right. And that was For show notes. Right. 728 00:44:36,270 --> 00:44:39,330 So that was that's an old recommendation that is just 729 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,220 continues to exist in a lot of CMS is Dublin Core, very similar 730 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:48,330 to Adam. It's been around for many, many, many years. It's a 731 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,190 standard RSS namespace. It's not, it doesn't have much to do 732 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:58,440 with podcasting. Yes. So the first others so next to iTunes, 733 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,710 the first namespace you get to that really has anything 734 00:45:01,710 --> 00:45:06,510 specific to do with podcasting is anchor in its own in its a 735 00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:09,780 specific proprietary thing and the only reason it makes a blip 736 00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:13,710 on this radar is because anchor pumps out a bazillion junk feeds 737 00:45:13,710 --> 00:45:16,860 all the time. Yeah, crap saying I'm tossing that out because 738 00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:18,960 that one's not you don't exist to me anchor. 739 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,390 Adam Curry: You don't exist to me You're dead to me You're dead 740 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:21,720 to me. 741 00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:26,610 Dave Jones: So I'm I mean I can make a great case that as far as 742 00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:33,090 like podcasts specific namespace adoption we're number two. Yeah 743 00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:34,440 Rabbana twins baby. 744 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,930 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, but but it's not a competition with this 745 00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:40,890 is my entire point like Rancors all this doesn't matter it 746 00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:46,800 doesn't matter. It's it we only have what 15,000 value enabled 747 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,380 feeds look at the money that's flowing around, look at the 748 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:53,220 value look at the blips and the pings and the bloops and the and 749 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:56,640 the and the and the integration, the interop between all these 750 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,940 things. That's what matters. That's what matters. 751 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:04,590 Dave Jones: It makes me happy. This makes me happy because it 752 00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:12,000 it it obviates the argument of well, we're not going to adopt 753 00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:15,540 it until we see it gained some traction. Right. Yeah, 754 00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:20,010 Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, that was off the board. Now it is, takes 755 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:23,190 up except for the people who are afraid of it, who want control 756 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:26,430 who wants to maintain control and don't want the Wild West 757 00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:30,870 coming into their, into their publicly listed company? And 758 00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:34,860 that's, and that's Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon, etc. 759 00:46:34,890 --> 00:46:36,270 And I don't think they'll ever let it in. 760 00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:39,720 Dave Jones: dribs cuts it foam finger number two. 761 00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:43,110 Adam Curry: Should we bring our guests in because they're just 762 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:46,020 sitting here listening to us Yap away, and they've got some 763 00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:49,770 interesting things that that they've been working on. Yep. 764 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:53,790 And I just realized that I don't even know one of our guests last 765 00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:56,250 name, but since he lives in a shack in the woods, maybe that's 766 00:46:56,250 --> 00:47:01,500 intentional. I'd like to say hello to from rss.com, Alberto. 767 00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:06,420 botella and from IPvs podcasting.com. We have Cameron. 768 00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:10,500 No last name. Guys. 769 00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:17,760 Dave Jones: Last Name redacted. Yeah. The the turnover. I have a 770 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,200 I have something specific though. I have declared that you 771 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,580 live in the forest. Adam said you live in the woods. And what 772 00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:27,210 do you say? 773 00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:31,350 Cameron: I'm on the edge of a national forest. So um, 774 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:33,570 Adam Curry: yes, but that's not the point. Do you live in a 775 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:36,570 shack? Do you have like a Ted Kaczynski like shack is the 776 00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:37,110 question. 777 00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:41,310 Cameron: No, it's bigger than a 12 by 12. But it's it's just a 778 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:42,420 retirement place. 779 00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:49,620 Adam Curry: Over retirement place. Seville? Yeah. Okay, 780 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,030 Dave Jones: now bear two lives in a villa. That's Yes. No, 781 00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:57,180 Alberto: not yet. But whatever question for for Cameron because 782 00:47:57,180 --> 00:48:01,950 we spoke so much on through email, Cameron. When I heard 783 00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:05,790 your voice for the first time a couple of weeks ago with some 784 00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:09,150 salary in the interview. When you said you were retired. I 785 00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:14,040 would imagine you being very old. But it seems as you sound 786 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,800 Young. I'm puzzled. 787 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,240 Cameron: I call it involuntary retirement. Okay, you're back in 788 00:48:24,780 --> 00:48:26,760 2000 with the it bubble and 789 00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:31,770 Adam Curry: he made money there you go. Nice. 790 00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:35,490 Alberto: Well, you have a VLAN maybe you have a villa. 791 00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:40,830 Cameron: lost the money or lost it Oh, okay. Oh 792 00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:46,620 Dave Jones: it's a 12 by 12 Check and outside as a sign on 793 00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:49,590 it this hanging this says villa. That's was what Yeah, it's the 794 00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:50,520 money. Yeah, 795 00:48:50,550 --> 00:48:52,980 Adam Curry: no, I like the camera. You like me? He's like, 796 00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:54,840 we made all this money and then we blew it all in something 797 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,740 stupid on me. It was hookers and blows and helicopters castles. 798 00:48:58,740 --> 00:49:06,720 You know, I had a good time I spent it all. Well. Believe me, 799 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:13,380 it's not worth it. It's way overhyped. So now Roberto, are 800 00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:15,420 you in Spain? Yes, I'm 801 00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:16,680 Alberto: in Spain. Okay. Well, thank 802 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,330 Adam Curry: you for staying up late with us this evening. 803 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,550 already. So you guys have been working together. And something 804 00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:29,280 kind of exciting happened. Cameron started IPFS podcasting 805 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,920 dotnet A while ago, and all of a sudden he came up with some some 806 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,070 scheme I'm not I'm still not sure how we're going to you and 807 00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:41,280 you are already you already set up a node. So I'll let you guys 808 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,190 speak for yourselves about how y'all connected and I started 809 00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:47,910 doing this. And IPFS for people don't know is the interplanetary 810 00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:51,450 file system. We've talked about this ever since we started 811 00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:56,580 podcasting 2.0 as a possible hosting solution. All cut there 812 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:59,610 was always an issue that popped up or something didn't work and 813 00:49:59,910 --> 00:50:02,670 I I think Dave and I would revisit it from time to time, 814 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:06,720 it's, you know, it's like, and then they had, they had a, like 815 00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:10,680 a file coin that was attached to it. And it just all became kind 816 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,490 of achy. But that, you know, the IPFS basics, were still out 817 00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:18,030 there. I'm on the newsletter, so I always see it coming in. But 818 00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:22,980 then Cameron somehow hooked in a payment scheme with lightning. 819 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:31,320 So that when someone hosts or pins, a podcast on their node, 820 00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:35,100 they can participate in some of the value flow, which was mind 821 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:41,940 boggling am and really works. There's some minor issues, but 822 00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:46,710 maybe, maybe Cameron, if you wouldn't mind, giving us the 823 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:51,030 backstory to what you set up? How long ago this was and how 824 00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:52,950 you and Alberto started to work together. 825 00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:57,540 Cameron: Yeah, it'll be almost three years this fall, I think 826 00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:04,050 that I started it. I was trying to figure out a use for IPFS. I 827 00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:08,250 mean, a lot of people wanted to backup their websites and files 828 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:12,210 and things like that. But it was just so unstructured. So 829 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,300 podcasting, you know, if you talk about RSS, it seemed like 830 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,210 it was structured perfectly that I could know what I'm getting 831 00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:21,900 into, you know, as far as importing the feeds and knowing 832 00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:27,660 what the files would be. So, yeah, I went with that. And 833 00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:30,570 Alberto saw it right away. And he's like, this is great, you 834 00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:36,060 know, we should all be sharing this, you know, trying to donate 835 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,990 our bandwidth, you know, to help hosting. So now 836 00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:42,660 Adam Curry: the event started about a year in the hosting 837 00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:46,020 business, you charge people for hosting. So what drove you to be 838 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:46,890 a part of this? 839 00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:52,920 Alberto: Ah, well, I can explain. Are Are we in the 840 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,760 hosting business? That's a question, I think that we are 841 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,000 defined as hosting platforms. And but that's, that's really 842 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,610 commoditize, in my opinion. So that's something we've been 843 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:08,970 thinking for a while. When you leave. When you check the pot 844 00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:11,850 scape from Magellan, for example, we are defined hosting 845 00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:16,830 platforms. You guys were talking about, you know, hosting a 846 00:52:16,830 --> 00:52:21,060 couple of weeks ago, and how bandwidth is expensive, I think 847 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:25,560 even thought sent a message talking about how much it spends 848 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,850 every month for bandwidth. 849 00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:29,490 Adam Curry: Yeah, like when I sent here 30 grand or something. 850 00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:31,020 Amount. 851 00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:35,910 Alberto: Yeah. 30 plus. So the reason why I saw it right away, 852 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:40,650 or at least I wanted, we as in our sister calm, wanted to offer 853 00:52:40,650 --> 00:52:45,870 some resources to Cameron. And so a big node, dedicated, easy 854 00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:50,640 to instance, on AWS that he's actually maintaining. So it's 855 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,850 very nice because we offered the resource but Cameron is using 856 00:52:53,850 --> 00:53:00,060 it, I believe Cameron also for some tests, when he did. So the 857 00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:05,010 point is, we don't feel these would jeopardize the hosting 858 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:10,680 industry because I at least for our says.com, we our business 859 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:16,770 model is not based on excess bandwidth, we feel we offer a 860 00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:20,730 set of tools for publishers, we are working with AI now thinking 861 00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:26,340 about the next level of feature, the features. And when I think 862 00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:32,610 about hostings it's such an old concept. And think about Wix and 863 00:53:32,610 --> 00:53:37,140 Squarespace. Why nobody says their house they're hosting, of 864 00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:39,840 course, they're hosting your assets if you upload an image on 865 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,950 Squarespace, but nobody cares. They're publishing tools. So the 866 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:48,210 reason why we are interested in IPFS, we see the potential even 867 00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:52,920 more now with the value for value splits. But even before, 868 00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:56,940 it would be a way to the centralized hosting, to really 869 00:53:56,940 --> 00:54:00,690 rely on CD ends, which we still need, because they are because 870 00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:03,030 of their redundancy and reliability, but just for 871 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:10,230 fallback. So it was very natural to me. And I was I was puzzled. 872 00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:13,500 Because you, for example, Dave, you were a bit skeptical a few 873 00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:16,950 times you mentioned over the past year until recently. I 874 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:20,460 don't know if it works. But for me, it was really right away. I 875 00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:24,690 thought we need to explore this and and we're very, very excited 876 00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:26,190 about what what it can become. 877 00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:28,890 Adam Curry: I think it makes sense. Yeah, this is very 878 00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:34,200 interesting, because I've always seen the hosting business as a 879 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:39,390 heavy overhead of money for the bandwidth. Actually, storage I 880 00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:44,490 think is is always under estimated how large that can 881 00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:48,270 grow. I know storage becomes cheaper and cheaper every year. 882 00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:53,070 But I've always seen it as a very intense human business for 883 00:54:53,130 --> 00:54:57,060 education and teaching and of course, the better your your 884 00:54:57,060 --> 00:55:00,210 tools are, the easier they are to understand the less you have 885 00:55:00,210 --> 00:55:05,940 to miss handholding you have to do? I think Dave, the reason we 886 00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,570 kind of got disinterested in IPFS is because we were trying 887 00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:13,530 to distribute the database, the weekly database and it kept 888 00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:14,160 breaking. 889 00:55:14,970 --> 00:55:18,630 Dave Jones: Yeah. So we have for a long time we distributed this 890 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:23,250 for over a year or more, we distributed the database only on 891 00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:27,270 IPFS. Like it wasn't even, it was not even available for as an 892 00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:31,830 HTTP download. So then we had to add the HTTP download later, 893 00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:36,510 because the IPFS just kept getting so many emails of people 894 00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:39,780 saying I can't it's not working, the IPFS downloads not working. 895 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,760 So we were randomly random in parallel for a long time. And 896 00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:51,630 IPFS daemon on our VM and Linode just kept, just kept breaking 897 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:54,270 and just kept, I had to eventually write a script that 898 00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:58,080 would resurrect that, that process, you know, don't ever 899 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,120 try to resurrect it every five minutes, because it was just 900 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,110 going down multiple times a day. And that was so like, that was 901 00:56:04,110 --> 00:56:08,700 where my sort of disenchantment with it came from, but I think 902 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,570 like that was, and I really am starting to think that that had 903 00:56:12,570 --> 00:56:16,140 more to do with the size of the file. Because what was 904 00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:18,660 happening? I mean, we were hosting, you know, a gigabyte 905 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:22,950 file size download, if you're, if you're only talking about 906 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,350 smaller assets, like podcast size, is probably not nearly as 907 00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:33,450 taxing on on a system, I would think. And, you know, the other 908 00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:38,790 thing is like, I feel like, it makes more, I agree with you 909 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:42,300 better, I think, I think hosting companies. I think it's just an 910 00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:45,630 unfortunate relic of the past that podcast hosts are still 911 00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:49,170 called hosting companies. I really think I don't think that 912 00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:53,940 the value that you guys offer comes from the fact that you 913 00:56:54,030 --> 00:56:58,710 provide bandwidth, I think most of the, like, 99% of the value 914 00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:03,300 that the hosting companies provide is tooling. I mean, 915 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,420 look, I mean, nobody, nobody goes in and says, Hey, I need to 916 00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:10,980 build a website. Where can I get the best bandwidth? I mean, 917 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:14,730 like, nobody asks that question. It's not even, it never comes up 918 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:18,510 in somebody's mind. Everybody's like, what the question you ask 919 00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:22,260 is, what's got who's got the best, you know, interface? Who's 920 00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:25,710 got the best content management system? Really, what the best 921 00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:29,220 stats, who's got the best stats? It's all that stuff. I mean, 922 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,120 where the bandwidth, every podcast hosting company would 923 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,850 love to get rid of their bandwidth bill. I mean, that's 924 00:57:35,850 --> 00:57:38,670 the thing that they hate the most. You know, what, what's 925 00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:42,480 fun? And what's the count? The real competitive landscape? Is 926 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:47,940 what, who has the best tools for a particular, you know, brand, 927 00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:51,720 or sector or podcast or whatever. That's really where 928 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,800 the competition is. 929 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,780 Cameron: Dan, Dave, I think the distributed part doesn't a bit 930 00:57:57,780 --> 00:58:01,830 might be what, gotcha. You were the only node hosted that file. 931 00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:06,720 Yeah, noticed? Yeah, I've noticed, my first iteration of 932 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,290 this was, I was thinking, Oh, I only need two nodes per file, 933 00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:12,420 because that'll get me consensus, you know, that both 934 00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:16,950 nodes match. And that's all I'll ever need. But that wasn't true. 935 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:23,520 You know, I had, once I started adding more nodes, you know, I 936 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,400 don't know about 10 or 15 nodes, then the playback would work 937 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,950 better and better. And now, you know, with the value splits, 938 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:31,470 everybody wants to, you know, host booster and ball and things 939 00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:35,580 like that. There's no problems, you know, you have 50 nodes with 940 00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:39,990 the file. It can it'll find it, you know, so your one note, I 941 00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:40,920 think, was the problem. 942 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz at that point is just, it's no, it's 943 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,800 really no different than than just serving a web serving and 944 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,170 over HTTP. I mean, you're just, it's just like straight 945 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:49,800 downloads. 946 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:52,020 Cameron: So you're just serving the file. 947 00:58:52,110 --> 00:58:54,720 Adam Curry: This is really interesting. So is Steven Bell, 948 00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:57,780 basically in competition with rss.com? 949 00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:05,040 Alberto: I don't know what, what do you think? 950 00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:11,370 Adam Curry: How about this? I'll say yes, because he has all the 951 00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:17,610 tools I need. And now I have my own bandwidth. But I 952 00:59:17,610 --> 00:59:23,520 successfully used IPFS for a booster Graham ball. And, and I 953 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,780 don't pay him I pay him a split. I give him a split for for 954 00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:28,740 everything I do. 955 00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:34,410 Alberto: Yeah, in that, in that sense. It could be a competitor. 956 00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:39,360 But again, it really depends on on the needs of the user, you 957 00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:43,590 you may be labeled as a Pro user. 958 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:47,190 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. I'm I'm a very bad customer to have 959 00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:50,010 because I will text you would 11pm and say shit doesn't work. 960 00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:51,270 Come on, man. Fix it. 961 00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:57,330 Alberto: Yeah, think about the majority of people they you 962 00:59:57,330 --> 01:00:02,280 know, we said before RSS is is The content delivery method. But 963 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,450 most of the people, the longtail the creators that are starting, 964 01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:10,800 and even professional podcasters. They don't want to, 965 01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:17,520 to write RSS feeds. They don't want to make syntax errors, they 966 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,430 want that GUI they want the graphical user interfaces. 967 01:00:20,670 --> 01:00:23,580 Adam Curry: You know, I'm in total agreement with you. I 968 01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:28,530 mean, so I love that you think this way, because this is, you 969 01:00:28,530 --> 01:00:33,030 know, Steven, I've told Stephen Bell many times No, do not do 970 01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:36,180 not get into the hosting business. But it was never for 971 01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:41,010 the bandwidth. It was always you don't have the physical human 972 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:44,460 bandwidth to hold everybody's hand all day long. Because 973 01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:48,960 there's such a huge, not even support. I mean, you I think if 974 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,930 your tools are good, the support kind of takes care of itself. 975 01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:58,110 But it's the education part. Now, you I mean, this is why all 976 01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:02,340 the hosting companies go to all of the the podcast conferences, 977 01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:04,770 they're not necessarily part of the podcasting industrial 978 01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:08,010 complex, but that's where they can talk to people and educate 979 01:01:08,010 --> 01:01:10,770 them. You know, it's like, oh, here's, here's how it works 980 01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:13,110 here, you know that people are new, they don't know what to do, 981 01:01:13,110 --> 01:01:16,020 or they have questions, or they don't understand the difference 982 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:20,280 between one tool and the other tool it and that's a no, can we 983 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,650 do you mind? If I ask Roberto? How many? How many people do you 984 01:01:22,650 --> 01:01:26,160 have in customer support? Or is it all just you? Oh, 985 01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:30,450 Alberto: no, no, we have, we have Michael, which is, who is 986 01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:34,080 the head of CX customer experience, we like to call it 987 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,260 experience. And then we have four people in different 988 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:40,680 counties. So we have five people. So one, on the one hand, 989 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,240 customer support is really important. It's the one of the 990 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,840 added values. But again, also publishing tools like 991 01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:54,870 transcripts, and other features we are building in the 992 01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:58,740 backstage. These are the parts. These are part of the unique 993 01:01:58,890 --> 01:02:02,310 service proposition app, how many people are using sovereign 994 01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:06,210 feeds. I don't know the number. But these are a specific niche 995 01:02:06,210 --> 01:02:09,090 of users. And that's why it works so well, because it 996 01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:12,630 targets and caters to those users. But if you want the 997 01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:15,600 longtail or you want to make sure everyone has the 998 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,620 opportunity to start a podcast. That's where a product that's 999 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,780 that's extremely simple can work. And that's why hosting and 1000 01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:28,290 bandwidth, it's secondary to us. It may not be for other 1001 01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:32,400 companies that have been in the business since 2006. Or, or 1002 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:37,650 earlier than us. But we never designed our company to rely 1003 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,940 where our revenue would rely on excess bandwidth or bandwidth in 1004 01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:42,360 general. 1005 01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:49,560 Dave Jones: to only ask you what, what specifically is it 1006 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,110 that you're that you are hosting? Are you hosting hosting 1007 01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:54,630 an IPFS node or a gateway? 1008 01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,980 Alberto: I don't know that. I wish we had that gateway. It was 1009 01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:02,940 a great conversation in the in the last in your last episode. 1010 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,560 Gateways should be probably there should be a dedicated 1011 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,150 gateway for IPS IPFS. Podcasting, absolutely just a 1012 01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:15,810 node. So the node is running the Python code that Cameron 1013 01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:22,110 provides me the only difference from other nodes that we just 1014 01:03:22,110 --> 01:03:27,870 put some money and, and put a terabyte of data, there are 1015 01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:33,540 storage. And it's now hosting. At the moment, it has more than 1016 01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:39,150 700 peers hosting. I'm not sure how many episodes, but we have 1017 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:46,470 up to 350 gigabyte of storage that are delivering the head to 1018 01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:50,340 deliver IPFS podcasting shows. So let's get right on. Did they 1019 01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:51,060 forget anything? 1020 01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:54,330 Cameron: Sorry, no, last I checked, you had about 6000 1021 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:55,080 episodes. 1022 01:03:57,630 --> 01:04:00,720 Adam Curry: You're supporting the whole podcast industry. 1023 01:04:01,740 --> 01:04:04,650 Cameron: Oh, that's why it's been a godsend. Because, you 1024 01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:07,350 know, the nodes they come and go. But his has been there the 1025 01:04:07,350 --> 01:04:09,690 whole time. So there have been times when you know, I lose a 1026 01:04:09,690 --> 01:04:12,420 bunch of nodes. And like thank God Alberto was there because 1027 01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:13,980 he's got most of the files. 1028 01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:17,160 Dave Jones: I find this fascinating for this reason that 1029 01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:22,470 Albear or sis.com. They're known as hosting shows from other 1030 01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:23,190 podcast hosts. 1031 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,090 Adam Curry: Right. That's right. I love that. That's fantastic. 1032 01:04:27,090 --> 01:04:27,210 Is 1033 01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:30,750 Dave Jones: this something that in that sense? Is this something 1034 01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:35,070 Alberto, the podcast standards group? could do? Could they 1035 01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:42,210 could they encourage their their members to spin up a IPFS 1036 01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:43,080 podcasting node? 1037 01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:48,000 Alberto: So let me tell you, it could, we could do that. But 1038 01:04:48,030 --> 01:04:54,390 we'd never spoke about IPFS at least not yet. We speak on the 1039 01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:57,690 main conversation is about podcasting. 2.0 tags adoption 1040 01:04:57,810 --> 01:05:01,080 and how together we can move the industry way towards innovation. 1041 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,070 Yes, it could be some conversation we should have at 1042 01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:08,970 the moment, just to be very clear, we host these episodes. 1043 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:15,270 And for us is an r&d project. Perhaps we came around one of 1044 01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:19,380 the first conversation to me so that my original, perhaps my 1045 01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:24,330 naive vision at the time, was, if we want to offer free 1046 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,220 hosting, free hosting, then you can pay for publishing tools or 1047 01:05:29,220 --> 01:05:34,140 for free per transcripts for for for AI summarization. But if we 1048 01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:37,470 want to offer free hosting, how cool would it be to have a 1049 01:05:37,470 --> 01:05:42,630 client that you install in your computer, and everyone 1050 01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:45,540 participates to IPFS? Podcasting? So if you want your 1051 01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:50,700 Show, hosted for free, then you have this client running. And 1052 01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:51,360 you just 1053 01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:55,860 Adam Curry: you, you participate in the network? Yes, yeah. So we 1054 01:05:55,860 --> 01:05:58,980 were discussing this. Alright, so So now let's get to what I 1055 01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:02,190 think is the interim step. And maybe it's not, which is the 1056 01:06:02,190 --> 01:06:07,200 gateway. And so when I started booster, gram ball, I decided to 1057 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,650 go balls to the wall, I'm gonna throw this thing on IPFS right 1058 01:06:10,650 --> 01:06:13,620 out of the gate and out of the gate, it worked. It worked 1059 01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:21,630 perfectly. It works beautifully. The last week, I started to get 1060 01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:24,780 some, some well, okay, let me just step back for a second. 1061 01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:29,040 James Cridland appropriately said that really what's 1062 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,850 happening is all this guy is going to the IPFS, labs gateway 1063 01:06:32,850 --> 01:06:38,640 ipfs.io. And, which means they can shut stuff off. In fact, 1064 01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:43,560 there was an episode of something. I can't remember what 1065 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,320 it was Cameron, you might was one episode of the no agenda, 1066 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,940 one episode had been blocked by ipfs.io. And they unblocked it 1067 01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:54,420 when you email them. But that's kind of the problem is that they 1068 01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:56,850 blocked it. So they'll everyone's kind of like, well, 1069 01:06:56,850 --> 01:07:00,810 anything can be blocked at any moment. And then just the nature 1070 01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:07,290 of one gateway has been blocked by some network somewhere, 1071 01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:09,780 certainly, some corporate networks are like, Oh, no, 1072 01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:13,860 anything coming off of this ipfs.io has got to be, you know, 1073 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:19,770 like, basically treating it like a torrent site, which I think 1074 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,830 something else may have been added, because I got a couple of 1075 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:26,670 reports in the past week. I can't play it. And they and then 1076 01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:29,790 you know, like, I send them a direct link that goes through 1077 01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:32,640 the redirector Oh, that works. But then it doesn't work on any 1078 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,310 of the apps. I don't know if there's cause issues. I don't 1079 01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:40,350 know all of that stuff. But when you get four or five people 1080 01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:43,590 saying it doesn't work, then all of a sudden, it's like, that 1081 01:07:43,590 --> 01:07:47,550 seems like 5000. To me, it's not and you did a wonderful report. 1082 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,760 And you You broke it all down was probably really only four or 1083 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,710 five people out of the 6000. Maybe that that downloaded it. 1084 01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:04,590 But is is the gateway the final step. And the taking into 1085 01:08:04,590 --> 01:08:08,130 consideration, we might be able to do the splits in a way that 1086 01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:12,780 the gateways get more money, or more value from the value for 1087 01:08:12,780 --> 01:08:18,510 value splits? Or should really all the apps be IPFS. Native? Is 1088 01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:21,150 that something that's even possible? These are all the 1089 01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:22,110 questions I have? 1090 01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:26,160 Cameron: Yeah, I think the ultimate would be the native 1091 01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:29,310 IPFS. Could they've been they could grab straight from the 1092 01:08:29,310 --> 01:08:32,580 nodes, currently, you know, and there wouldn't be any way to 1093 01:08:32,580 --> 01:08:37,740 block it. But I did seems pretty difficult. As far as getting it 1094 01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:39,210 on Android and iOS. 1095 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,100 Adam Curry: Why? Why is that difficult? 1096 01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:46,470 Cameron: JSON a podcast guru was trying it. And he was having 1097 01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:50,250 issues where I guess it used a lot of resources running a node 1098 01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:54,480 on your phone. And then he had to download the entire file 1099 01:08:54,510 --> 01:08:57,900 before he could hand it off to the audio system. So you get a 1100 01:08:57,900 --> 01:09:01,500 huge delay. Yeah, yeah. So you couldn't stream it? You could, 1101 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,570 you'd have to download the whole thing before you started 1102 01:09:03,570 --> 01:09:06,510 playing. So I don't know if there's a workaround for that 1103 01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:06,810 yet. 1104 01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:09,630 Adam Curry: There's no way to just have a light light node 1105 01:09:09,630 --> 01:09:13,470 that just understands the IPFS protocol. I guess not. I guess 1106 01:09:13,470 --> 01:09:15,240 I'm asking things that people thought of. 1107 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,120 Cameron: Yeah, I don't know, either. I mean, you've got to 1108 01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:21,270 talk that protocol. Yeah. And you got to get get your peers 1109 01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:24,870 going and have enough peers. So you can discover the files, you 1110 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:27,450 know, because I know there's 1000s of peers out there. 1111 01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:30,210 Dave Jones: Let me just say don't have them that breeze runs 1112 01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:34,770 into with running an lnd node on the phone is right, okay. 1113 01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:36,570 channels open. Okay. 1114 01:09:37,140 --> 01:09:42,420 Cameron: Right. Gateways are the backup, you know, so we can use 1115 01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:48,360 HTTP. So it'd be nice to have volunteer gateways that could 1116 01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,430 convert from IPFS to HTTP. 1117 01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:55,410 Adam Curry: So I've asked void zero to set up a gateway or 1118 01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:59,190 gateways on the servers that I have, which he's still working 1119 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:04,710 on, I guess. Is there now? Is there a way to reward gateway 1120 01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,530 nodes? For being a gateway? 1121 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:14,940 Cameron: Yeah, my, I guess anything's possible. I just, we 1122 01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:18,870 were trying to figure out how to decide which gateway gets paid. 1123 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,400 You know, so when a boost comes in, you want to send the portion 1124 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:28,230 of that boost to the right gateway, multiple gateways. So 1125 01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:30,870 currently, I don't know who's using it right now everybody's 1126 01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:34,230 using IPFS. Io. But if there were multiple gateways sharing 1127 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:38,280 the load, I'd have to know where to send that payment. 1128 01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:41,460 Dave Jones: Well, if we, I thought I had a conversation on 1129 01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:45,420 the phone with Alex gates a few days ago, and we were kind of 1130 01:10:45,450 --> 01:10:48,270 hashing some of this stuff out coming to try to come up with 1131 01:10:48,270 --> 01:10:51,420 ideas on how to do that. And his, I think, you know, he 1132 01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:54,720 posted some stuff on the mastodon about it, and, you 1133 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,440 know, are two sort of, well, I guess, you have three, you can 1134 01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,350 have sort of three methods, you know, you could put multiple 1135 01:11:01,350 --> 01:11:08,730 gateways in the RSS feed. The problem there is, you get like, 1136 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,510 imagine all this is in like the alternate enclosure, you can 1137 01:11:12,510 --> 01:11:17,250 have multiple gateways defined in those, just say, five random 1138 01:11:17,250 --> 01:11:21,240 gateways described in there. And then you'd have fall backs, you 1139 01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,340 try one, if it doesn't work, try the next one, try the next one, 1140 01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:26,100 whatever. So you could do that. But then then you have the 1141 01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:29,430 problem of having to keep the RSS feed current. And, you know, 1142 01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:34,170 if one goes away, Oh, fine. Yeah. So then you could have, 1143 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,360 the other option would be to do, you know, do like a redirect, 1144 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:49,110 but then have a have a, like a response header that says, oh, 1145 01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:53,070 like, like the IPFS gateway that ends up responding out of like a 1146 01:11:53,070 --> 01:11:55,800 round robin or something like that could could respond with or 1147 01:11:55,830 --> 01:12:00,840 you can give a response at her. Say, you know, with the wallet 1148 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,210 address in there, so that if it's successful, if you 1149 01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:06,120 successfully download it from there, you could send sin SATs 1150 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,590 back. That would be one way. And we had a third way that I can't, 1151 01:12:11,010 --> 01:12:13,440 that he came up with, and I can't remember off top my head. 1152 01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:16,470 What are your thoughts on that? Camera? 1153 01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:22,230 Cameron: Well, I think I can do what the TLV record somebody's 1154 01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:24,990 analysis mad at me or doesn't like me? Yeah. 1155 01:12:25,650 --> 01:12:27,960 Adam Curry: No, I think that's just Alex, I don't think you'd 1156 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,700 take that personally. Well, I'm 1157 01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:31,860 Cameron: sure it's a source code issue. He wants to view the 1158 01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:36,930 source for the algorithms and all that stuff. The prefix that 1159 01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:42,840 you use now, it determines, you know, where you're, if the file 1160 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,380 exists, and who hasn't, and all that stuff. So, I mean, I could 1161 01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:50,220 use that to figure out which gateway and do the round robin 1162 01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:53,790 through the prefix. The only issue with the payment is the 1163 01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:58,110 boost coming back. And he did like, I was thinking I have in 1164 01:12:58,110 --> 01:13:02,940 the domain of the host. So viruses.com has a gateway. When 1165 01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:06,180 the player gets sends the boosts back, they'll say, Well, I was 1166 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:11,070 playing this via rss.com. Then that would come back to the IPFS 1167 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:15,180 split. I would know to go send that boost to the RSS I can. 1168 01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:21,090 Dave Jones: Transmit is good, 1169 01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:27,120 Alberto: Cameron, statistics and analytics? If would there be a 1170 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,690 way for gateways to share analytics so that you can have 1171 01:13:30,690 --> 01:13:34,710 an overview as a as a podcaster running here or distributing 1172 01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:39,240 your show through IPFS? Could that's what that's what always 1173 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,740 concerned me a bit if I have a concern is the analytics you can 1174 01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:46,590 extrapolate from IPFS. 1175 01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:50,040 Cameron: Yeah, that's that's an issue because you're only going 1176 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,000 to see the plays that you're like, go through your gateway, 1177 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,500 you're not gonna see the other gateways. 1178 01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:57,870 Adam Curry: Isn't that worse, but what comes in because we've 1179 01:13:57,870 --> 01:14:01,200 been using Spurlock braid, basically for for the stats for 1180 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,240 the shows, right with the his redirect. 1181 01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,600 Cameron: Yeah, that's actually good point. Spurlock. He's got 1182 01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:09,240 everything because he's going to get in the redirect before it 1183 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,470 comes to IPFS. Podcasting. So he has all the data. And then I'm 1184 01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:15,630 storing some data to, to 1185 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:19,620 Adam Curry: kind of just stop for a second and just realize 1186 01:14:19,620 --> 01:14:23,070 that here we are for guys who have never met each other in 1187 01:14:23,070 --> 01:14:26,130 person. Well, Dave and I have met. There's people all over the 1188 01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:29,010 world who are working on this and look at how we're doing. 1189 01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:32,250 This is so cool. And then Oh, yeah. Spurlock he's got the 1190 01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:36,000 data. I love this. I just got I just got goosebumps for a second 1191 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,860 here. Now. Like, no offense to the podcast, working group, pod 1192 01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:43,380 standards working group, but dude, look at what we're doing 1193 01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:45,360 here in the boardroom. This is amazing. 1194 01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:51,870 Cameron: Yeah, Alberto, if you wanted to duplicate something 1195 01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:55,800 like a like Spurlock, you know, you have your own prefix for 1196 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,780 stats for your hosts or your podcasts. then you would be able 1197 01:15:00,780 --> 01:15:01,620 to see everything. 1198 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,400 Alberto: Yeah, that's the point perhaps if there was a prefix 1199 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,650 from IPFS, podcasting, then everything would be centralized. 1200 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,640 And then you could offer the stats through, you know, J zone 1201 01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:20,520 or an API. Something that must be centralized, I guess, 1202 01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:24,360 meaning, for example, we run everything through a Python 1203 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:29,130 script you offer, and you still keep track of who has what? 1204 01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:33,840 Correct. So if that's the case, why don't you build the prefix? 1205 01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:38,010 This way, you can also get back the stats. And I'm not saying 1206 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,230 the short term, but like the long term for this to be a 1207 01:15:40,230 --> 01:15:42,810 viable solution. Wouldn't it make sense? 1208 01:15:44,430 --> 01:15:46,530 Cameron: Yeah, I'd be duplicating what Spurlock's 1209 01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:48,630 doing. But yeah, that's basic. Why don't 1210 01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:50,730 Adam Curry: we just want to just get whatever it's for luck. And 1211 01:15:50,730 --> 01:15:52,080 when we just get it from John's, 1212 01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:56,430 Dave Jones: his stuffs open source? Yeah. Right. It's there. 1213 01:15:56,430 --> 01:16:00,810 Yeah. That. So let's see here, I found I found I was supposed to 1214 01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:06,600 say, so he said, move forward, putting the gateway URLs in 1215 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,140 Austria enclosure, see, and he said, Oh, this is what it was. 1216 01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:14,400 So the other option, the third option would be to have the 1217 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:20,970 gateway that's chosen, have like a dot well known URL so that you 1218 01:16:20,970 --> 01:16:26,520 could have, so that you could query the gateway. And know, 1219 01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:30,090 this was what we did with no agenda tube in the early days. 1220 01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:36,300 So with no agenda tube, before, it's supported before, Alex got 1221 01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:40,050 all the podcasts and tube Windows support in their, their 1222 01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:45,150 RSS stuff, and peer to was pretty limited. So what we did 1223 01:16:45,150 --> 01:16:53,040 was, he created a dot well known URL on the agenda tube, where it 1224 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,900 would, it would just it just had a JSON version of, of a wallet. 1225 01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:04,650 It had it specified in that JSON, the fee, essentially. So 1226 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,330 any, so you could query the URL of whatever donate domain name, 1227 01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:13,710 you had FTD. And you had, and see what they what their, their 1228 01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:18,000 fee was. So I could see it being the same way here. You could 1229 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,360 just query the dot well known and find out what this IPFS 1230 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,580 gateways fee is. And just use, you know, wow, you can 1231 01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:29,790 Adam Curry: get the algorithm sophisticated. I like that idea. 1232 01:17:30,150 --> 01:17:32,580 Dave Jones: You choose the cheapest one or the one that's 1233 01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:35,670 most reliable or whatever. I mean, that's an option. 1234 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,280 Cameron: Right, but who makes the payment, then the player 1235 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,170 would be making the payment? Right? That's not a part of the 1236 01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:42,840 IPFS. Split? That'd be a separate 1237 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,440 Dave Jones: split. Yeah, the play? Yeah. 1238 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,090 Cameron: And then another question, Adam was who defines 1239 01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:54,390 the fee? God, God, 1240 01:17:54,420 --> 01:18:01,740 Adam Curry: Jesus, Jesus determined? I mean, that's 1241 01:18:01,740 --> 01:18:04,380 certainly the free market. You know, the, the free market 1242 01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:08,310 determines that. He's not the beauty of it. Like if you can 1243 01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:12,450 have competing nodes, and just like Dave said, you know, it's 1244 01:18:12,450 --> 01:18:16,770 like, Well, this one's reliable, or this one has is fast, or this 1245 01:18:16,770 --> 01:18:21,420 one's you know, my body or whatever it is, and then, you 1246 01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:25,320 know, then the fee comes into place, or what does that cost? I 1247 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,250 mean, I'm not, I'm not I'm less worried about that. About who 1248 01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:32,400 determines when you say, Who determines the fee is wouldn't? 1249 01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:36,420 Okay, I'm presuming the node operator, the gateway operator 1250 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,150 determines the fee. I think that is that your question? Because 1251 01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:42,360 that can't really be determined, because it's coming from the 1252 01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:42,870 app? 1253 01:18:43,620 --> 01:18:46,920 Cameron: Well, currently, the way I understand all the splits 1254 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,880 are defined by the podcaster. You decide how much right hey, 1255 01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:56,640 right, you know, to IPFS? Or Stephen or whoever. So if a 1256 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:01,350 gateway comes by and says, Well, I want 10%. Is that coming out 1257 01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:05,340 of yours? You know, or then are we doing the fee thing? Where 1258 01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:06,450 you add it to this? 1259 01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:11,070 Dave Jones: Say, that's why the fee thing exists? Yeah. Because 1260 01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:15,900 because there's a recognition here that there's there's going 1261 01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:20,550 to be costs. If for certain services are provided, there's 1262 01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:24,060 going to be costs that are fixed that can't they, they can't be 1263 01:19:24,060 --> 01:19:27,840 sort of like bartered in real time. So you have like for bet 1264 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,110 for bandwidth if you have people providing it, they've got this 1265 01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:34,800 fixed cost, so they have to do like a fee instead of a pay what 1266 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:39,090 you want type scenario. They it's more binary. So they're 1267 01:19:39,090 --> 01:19:42,630 like well, I mean, I can either serve you this file and it's 1268 01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:46,830 going to cost this or I can't because I'm going to because I'm 1269 01:19:46,830 --> 01:19:48,420 having to pay somebody upstream 1270 01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:58,620 Adam Curry: Okay. Let's knock away for the enthusiasm on that 1271 01:19:58,620 --> 01:19:58,830 one. 1272 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,740 Alberto: I think thinking but at the at the moment with nodes, 1273 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:11,340 Cameroon, you choose the fee, right? We put our wallet, and we 1274 01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:17,220 just you explain how use you split. But we cannot say, you 1275 01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:24,120 know, I want X percent or I can specify a value. So why not 1276 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,520 starting for gateway with a with a similar rationale, and maybe 1277 01:20:29,550 --> 01:20:34,350 with an algorithm or just some some rules, given on how many 1278 01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:39,300 episodes you serve and some other criteria, you increase or 1279 01:20:39,330 --> 01:20:41,820 decrease the fee? It wouldn't be easier. 1280 01:20:43,290 --> 01:20:45,840 Cameron: Well, the fee right now is optional. You don't have to, 1281 01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:48,720 Adam Curry: I think he's talking about the split that you do the 1282 01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:49,410 IPFS 1283 01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:52,890 Alberto: split the split I mentioned. So if you have you 1284 01:20:52,890 --> 01:21:01,230 explained that, if you get a certain number of sets certain 1285 01:21:01,230 --> 01:21:05,520 value, then the nodes get, I think it's a 5% split for a PFS 1286 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,250 broadcasting, right. And then this is distributed to the 1287 01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:10,050 nodes. So why not doing 1288 01:21:11,009 --> 01:21:16,319 Cameron: five to 5% is optional. If the podcaster gives the 5% or 1289 01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:21,299 10% or 1%. I take whatever I get, and then I just divided up. 1290 01:21:22,169 --> 01:21:23,339 Ryan stole it? No, 1291 01:21:23,490 --> 01:21:26,010 Alberto: that's what I'm saying. I would start like that. That's 1292 01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:30,960 proportional to whatever is the boost. 1293 01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:36,180 Cameron: Okay. Yeah, that was my thought too, was to say, like, 1294 01:21:36,180 --> 01:21:38,910 if you say, 1%, if you want to say half of whatever I get goes 1295 01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:41,160 to the gateway and the other half day, you know, there you 1296 01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,280 Adam Curry: go. That's our thinking. Yeah, I think that's 1297 01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:48,810 and then move and moving forward, I would say. Yeah, I 1298 01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:53,280 mean, the way I view it is, if you want IPFS podcasting 1299 01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:58,710 hosting, then it has to be a minimum of x. This is And now, 1300 01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:05,490 for instance, if I want if I want all my booster grams to 1301 01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:13,020 show up on fountain, I have to put in a minimum of 1% split so 1302 01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,630 that they receive that it goes to my account over there, which 1303 01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:17,760 is kind of interesting, because it actually comes back to me. 1304 01:22:18,180 --> 01:22:22,680 But the service I've envisioned moving forward will say, Well, 1305 01:22:22,890 --> 01:22:27,450 you want this service, if it's not this amount, if it's not 1306 01:22:27,450 --> 01:22:30,120 this number of split, then the service doesn't work for you. I 1307 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:35,190 mean, I don't see any problem with that. If that makes any 1308 01:22:35,190 --> 01:22:35,730 sense. 1309 01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:38,610 Cameron: Yeah, it does. I mean, I'd like the idea that it's 1310 01:22:38,610 --> 01:22:41,490 optional, just to onboard people to test it out course, of 1311 01:22:41,490 --> 01:22:47,820 course, without forcing them to, of course, what. Again, the 1312 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:50,400 gateway part, you know, if I say whatever I get, I'm gonna give 1313 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,400 half to the gateway. The gateway is not deciding how much they 1314 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:59,100 need. It's whatever the podcaster defines as a split, 1315 01:22:59,550 --> 01:23:02,730 and then half of that, or whatever it ends up being. 1316 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,550 Adam Curry: I'll tell you what, why don't we all take a little 1317 01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:15,390 breather. I'd like to bum rush the chart for a moment and play 1318 01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:19,200 a song. So we all can just click Collect our thoughts. And then 1319 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,140 also, once again, demonstrate the magical wallet switching 1320 01:23:22,140 --> 01:23:27,030 technology with a song that I think is perfect for Friday for 1321 01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:31,290 a boardroom there. When I was in radio, we used to have a song 1322 01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:33,510 that he played with, there'll be a number of songs that we play 1323 01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:36,930 every Friday at five o'clock into the five o'clock whistle 1324 01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:43,950 and then you play Oh goodness. Just like five you know, take 1325 01:23:43,950 --> 01:23:47,700 this job and shove it and you know all these different work 1326 01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:51,450 quitting songs for it's time for the weekend. Oh, yeah. And one 1327 01:23:51,450 --> 01:23:55,800 of them was Todd Ron grins. I don't want to work. I want to 1328 01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,970 play bang on the drum all day. You'll hear it on every bad top 1329 01:23:59,970 --> 01:24:05,190 40 radio stations, I'm sure. So I want to play a value for value 1330 01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:09,360 podcasting version of that Todd Rundgren song which was done by 1331 01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:14,130 a guy named John Ross. And I think he did a perfect perfect 1332 01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:19,920 version and use your curio caster or live kit to boost his 1333 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,880 song if you don't mind. Work sucks John Ross on 2.0. 1334 01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:35,250 Unknown: I go to work today. 1335 01:24:55,530 --> 01:25:05,280 Another day, another dollars all my co workers Alright I got out 1336 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:05,490 of 1337 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:17,970 stocks 1338 01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:43,260 up another day 1339 01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:52,770 until the day you can leave this place 1340 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:56,580 and under on I can't stress 1341 01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:13,290 oh my god oh my bosses sucks 1342 01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:37,290 Adam Curry: John Ross work sucks thank you sir Spencer Dred Scott 1343 01:27:37,290 --> 01:27:40,590 Mr. Robot Mike Newman for boosting through curio caster so 1344 01:27:40,590 --> 01:27:43,650 you know that when the played the track the artist gets the 1345 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:49,470 SATs beautiful and everyone's dead? 1346 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,850 Dave Jones: Oh no I don't know how to work this thing yet I 1347 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:59,250 muted myself physical buttons screwed me up. 1348 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,340 Adam Curry: I gotta I gotta give you a little tutorial. There's 1349 01:28:02,340 --> 01:28:04,860 all kinds of cool stuff you can do don't worry, it's you're 1350 01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:07,410 gonna love it. You're gonna love that that road caster you're 1351 01:28:07,410 --> 01:28:07,980 going to love it. 1352 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, let's talk in a way that nobody here. So just 1353 01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:11,820 before 1354 01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:15,420 Adam Curry: we get back to the IPFS stuff, Dave TLVs. And what 1355 01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:19,380 because we need some we need our apps are beautiful brothers and 1356 01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:23,130 arms have the apps to be doing some stuff to their TLVs for 1357 01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:26,550 regular podcast. And then I'm not even sure if we can talk 1358 01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:32,610 about boosting songs while we're lit yet because that's that's a 1359 01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:37,080 whole nother can of worms but please tell us what what are 1360 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:43,680 what are our apps need to be sending so we can really crank 1361 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,010 up the discovery mechanism of podcasts index dot top. 1362 01:28:48,210 --> 01:28:51,270 Dave Jones: Yes, I think I'm working with the app developers 1363 01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:56,520 individually. I'm posting if I see something that's needed I'm 1364 01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,840 just going through there one by one and like Oscar, he's already 1365 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,290 posted some stuff to him he's like yeah, I got it. We're good 1366 01:29:04,290 --> 01:29:09,720 to go. Okay. Franco a cast Matic. He's good. I think he's 1367 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:14,940 good to go now. He knows he knows what is needed. Sam said 1368 01:29:14,940 --> 01:29:19,740 the over pod fans a shot we exchanged a few emails and he's 1369 01:29:20,610 --> 01:29:23,190 and gave him some examples and he's like, Yep, got it. We're 1370 01:29:23,190 --> 01:29:26,100 good to go. I understand now. So I think I think we're in good 1371 01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:30,750 shape. Okay, it was just a matter of now. You know, we just 1372 01:29:30,750 --> 01:29:34,410 had to wait for it to sort of play out through the like beta 1373 01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:40,170 and all this I think we're good and so I finished the sequel 1374 01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:50,850 finish the sequel stuff on on on the charting and oh my gosh is 1375 01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:56,820 so much faster. The chart builds in about about three minutes. So 1376 01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:02,760 if wow, that's cool way faster. Yeah, verse Just 45 So I rebuilt 1377 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:03,750 it right before the shows. 1378 01:30:04,650 --> 01:30:07,140 Adam Curry: No, I see it. I see it. Okay, I sent you a note to 1379 01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:09,930 change the wording at the top. There's a little discrepancy 1380 01:30:09,930 --> 01:30:10,350 there. 1381 01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:15,540 Dave Jones: Okay, I just took out all of that big paragraph, 1382 01:30:15,570 --> 01:30:17,550 Adam Curry: ya know, the only thing is yeah, this is the 1383 01:30:17,550 --> 01:30:20,700 chart. This chart is a ranking of the music podcasts that have 1384 01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:22,710 been boosted the most over the last seven days. Well 1385 01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:27,780 technically it is the music played on podcasts that have 1386 01:30:27,780 --> 01:30:30,480 been boosted Yeah, so just so people understand what that but 1387 01:30:30,630 --> 01:30:39,960 I like it a lot. It's so fun to see Fletcher and Blaney who have 1388 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,620 a tremendous audience very dedicated they're all over this 1389 01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:44,070 chart. 1390 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:48,210 Dave Jones: They are in just the name having this name of a song 1391 01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:49,440 be battled trance. 1392 01:30:51,150 --> 01:30:53,130 Adam Curry: We just want to see that on the chart. And I love 1393 01:30:53,130 --> 01:30:55,260 the layout. Thank you Nathan Garth Garth, right. That's 1394 01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:58,140 that's really did a great job on that. And I love that the top 1395 01:30:58,140 --> 01:31:03,600 100 actually is like 115 Yeah, that just makes so much sense. 1396 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:04,740 That's That's who we are. 1397 01:31:06,090 --> 01:31:07,470 Dave Jones: It's 100 ish. 1398 01:31:09,540 --> 01:31:11,790 Adam Curry: I'm gonna call that the top 100 1399 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,150 Dave Jones: wrestle Beer. Beer root rag. That one is always 1400 01:31:15,150 --> 01:31:20,190 dead last every band. I mean, banjo music 1401 01:31:20,190 --> 01:31:21,840 Adam Curry: man is banjo music. 1402 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:25,440 Dave Jones: It's like, it doesn't matter how many times 1403 01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:28,170 are on the chart is always dead last buddy. It's like it's just 1404 01:31:28,170 --> 01:31:30,510 hanging in there, Caboose. I love it. 1405 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,020 Adam Curry: We have Cameron and Oberto here in the boardroom 1406 01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:36,240 Cameron. If you could push all the buttons, man, what do you 1407 01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,390 want to have happen? What can we what can we make? What can we 1408 01:31:41,190 --> 01:31:44,280 visualize for you materialize? Oh, 1409 01:31:45,089 --> 01:31:46,919 Cameron: I don't know, I've got a big list of things I need to 1410 01:31:46,919 --> 01:31:50,909 work on. Alberto knows there's the algorithm has been? 1411 01:31:51,900 --> 01:31:55,500 Alberto: Why don't you give a heads up on the algorithm? 1412 01:31:55,530 --> 01:32:00,090 Cameron is so interesting. Yeah. Well, you cannot myself 1413 01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:02,820 Dave Jones: music chart. 1414 01:32:04,530 --> 01:32:07,920 Alberto: But what, uh, what the algorithm is about and how to 1415 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,870 find the most of the Middle Way of storage? And I think it's 1416 01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:15,120 extremely compelling, if you will. 1417 01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:19,620 Cameron: Yeah, well, I've got all these nodes asking for 1418 01:32:19,650 --> 01:32:24,240 something to do, like, what do I work on? So I've got to come up, 1419 01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:26,940 you know, I'd have come up with a way to tell them, you know, 1420 01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:29,850 hey, you should pin this show. First, this one next, or, you 1421 01:32:29,850 --> 01:32:32,970 know, based on your favorites, or your disk space available? 1422 01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:36,450 And Alberto, in the beginning, he was asking, well, I want to 1423 01:32:36,450 --> 01:32:40,050 host everything. So just use up all my disk and just keep 1424 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,500 shuffling through files. So that's part of it, too, is 1425 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,890 trying to figure out how to, you know, if somebody just sets a 1426 01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:49,980 percentage of their disk, say I want to use 50% of my disk or 1427 01:32:49,980 --> 01:32:50,580 80%. 1428 01:32:52,620 --> 01:32:55,620 Dave Jones: What is the camera? What is it currently? 1429 01:32:57,690 --> 01:33:01,770 Cameron: Currently, it's just looking at your favorites, and 1430 01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:05,550 looking at expiration dates. Because I've got that 48 hour 1431 01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:12,600 option for if there's no favorites, that you'll, it'll 1432 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,540 stay on IPFS. As long as this gets plays, and once the plays 1433 01:33:15,540 --> 01:33:20,100 go away, then it'll get unpinned from all the nodes. So it's 1434 01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:23,010 really I don't know how to I don't know how to explain, 1435 01:33:23,010 --> 01:33:29,310 you're asking what is it? It's a mess of code. So yeah, that's 1436 01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:29,790 part of the 1437 01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:35,040 Dave Jones: Now Phil Yeah. So it gets that way with, with with 1438 01:33:35,250 --> 01:33:37,320 algorithms sometimes where you just kind of step back and 1439 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,350 you're like, you know what, I know something's happening here, 1440 01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:42,330 but I'm not really exactly sure what it is. 1441 01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:44,760 Adam Curry: I forgot how I did that. Yeah, 1442 01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:47,040 Dave Jones: I know what I know what I thought I know what I was 1443 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,620 thinking at the time, but I'm not sure it's actually doing 1444 01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:50,790 what I thought it was good. 1445 01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:54,240 Cameron: Yeah, another big problem for me right now is 1446 01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,510 consensus between all the nodes to make sure they all have the 1447 01:33:57,510 --> 01:34:01,470 exact same file. Oh, yeah. So when someone has a podcast with 1448 01:34:01,470 --> 01:34:03,750 dynamic EDS, what do you do? 1449 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,920 Dave Jones: Man, I never thought about that. What how do you hear 1450 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:08,430 the nodes 1451 01:34:08,430 --> 01:34:10,830 Cameron: kind of get in fights? The nodes are fighting back and 1452 01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:12,450 forth and say, No, this is the file. 1453 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,300 Adam Curry: Because yeah, right. And this is wrong hash this. 1454 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,680 Right. Oh, man. I got a Spanish ad the other day. Well, listen 1455 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,600 to new new media show. I'm like You racist. Just because I'm in 1456 01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,210 Texas, just because I'm in Hill Country. Texas doesn't mean I 1457 01:34:27,210 --> 01:34:28,230 speak Spanish. 1458 01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:31,050 Dave Jones: Well, they'll start serving those in New York soon. 1459 01:34:31,260 --> 01:34:34,950 Here. Right. and Russian, all kinds of Russian. Yeah. 1460 01:34:36,420 --> 01:34:39,600 Cameron: Yeah, so I get a better algorithm going on. Every day. 1461 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,260 I'm kind of tweaking the database every morning to see 1462 01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:45,810 which files are stuck or which No, how 1463 01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:49,110 Dave Jones: does that get loop? How does it get resolved? So if 1464 01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:54,300 if, if my node gets one gets a copy of this episode that has a 1465 01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:58,050 dynamic ad and the note in Adams node gets one and they don't 1466 01:34:58,050 --> 01:35:00,120 match? What like how do you resolve that? Less 1467 01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:03,840 Cameron: than one of you guys have to be declared invalid. So 1468 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,440 right now I'm just saying, Well, Adam got it later. So Dave's 1469 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:13,590 must be different. So I tell you to delete yours. And then I 1470 01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:16,980 might tell you to go get yours from Adam. Wow. And then there's 1471 01:35:16,980 --> 01:35:19,380 the issue with the nodes and the peer accounts that you might not 1472 01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:21,750 be able to talk to Adams node directly 1473 01:35:22,619 --> 01:35:26,819 Adam Curry: on purpose of talking to mind, right away, so 1474 01:35:26,819 --> 01:35:27,449 my node. 1475 01:35:28,350 --> 01:35:30,660 Cameron: So these, sometimes there might be a weak node out 1476 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:33,600 there that gets a file, and it can't share it, you know, what's 1477 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,960 the only one with the file right now, you know, when you're first 1478 01:35:37,050 --> 01:35:40,590 pinning. So then I've got to go in and kind of kick that node 1479 01:35:40,590 --> 01:35:43,950 out. So he doesn't have the file, so another node can kill 1480 01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:48,780 it. And I kind of secretly open which I haven't used your node, 1481 01:35:48,810 --> 01:35:50,940 because you got a good note. I'm like, okay, so that one's a lot 1482 01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:55,920 better just node. To him. Yeah, that's my 1483 01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,120 Alberto: point. So Cameron, sorry, then go ahead. No, go 1484 01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:05,760 ahead. Dave. My point was that, think about when I think about a 1485 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:11,610 node, it doesn't use a CDN, it doesn't use CloudFront, for 1486 01:36:11,610 --> 01:36:16,680 example, so in our case, you have an AWS easy to instance. 1487 01:36:16,860 --> 01:36:21,330 And when you create an instance, you have to choose the storage, 1488 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:25,440 like solid state drive, how much do you want, and you pay monthly 1489 01:36:25,770 --> 01:36:28,860 for the storage, then you pay for data transfer. So let's say 1490 01:36:28,860 --> 01:36:33,540 we have a terabyte, and now we are using 38%. of of those. That 1491 01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:39,360 was my, my feeling of you know what, why we are paying for a 1492 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:44,280 terabyte just fill it in now. How you feel it in? It depends. 1493 01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:49,650 We have to favour it. Some shows, for example, we have 37.6 1494 01:36:49,650 --> 01:36:54,720 gigabyte have no agenda I was reading now, we have we have 1495 01:36:54,720 --> 01:37:00,240 tight 10.5 gigabyte of podcasting 2.0. But for those 1496 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:05,850 shows where we are open to host, for example. Well, those shows 1497 01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:10,050 with data that are verified that they don't have the dog tag 1498 01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:13,650 activated because the IPF is very important to explain our 1499 01:37:13,650 --> 01:37:17,850 FFS podcasting honors the dog tag as well. So for those shows, 1500 01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:23,130 will be willing to host them for for a while or forever without 1501 01:37:23,130 --> 01:37:26,850 having to favorite. So as long as the show is, let's say, Save 1502 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,420 to host. So we know there is the consensus from the for also from 1503 01:37:30,420 --> 01:37:34,440 the podcaster, then why not filling up our terabyte, and 1504 01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:37,350 then when it's filled up, there should be an algorithm that 1505 01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:41,490 says, Okay, we need more space from that node, what do we free, 1506 01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,870 which are the episodes that we remove? I think that's where my 1507 01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:49,530 standpoint was just, we are paying one terabyte, and we're 1508 01:37:49,530 --> 01:37:52,980 filling it in only partially, that's all that that's where it 1509 01:37:52,980 --> 01:37:53,640 came from? 1510 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,910 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's like, it's like buying, it's like 1511 01:37:56,910 --> 01:38:02,280 buying a box with a with 200 gigs of RAM, and your database 1512 01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,670 only uses 16 that you want to get you want to get your money's 1513 01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:06,270 worth. Yeah. 1514 01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:11,820 Alberto: Right. And that's where I think the algorithm would be 1515 01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:13,230 would make the difference? 1516 01:38:14,370 --> 01:38:18,960 Adam Curry: Well, I, I'm gonna check in with Void zero again, 1517 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,570 and ask him where he's at with a gateway, because I want to get 1518 01:38:21,570 --> 01:38:24,900 that up as soon as possible. We don't have a bandwidth issue, we 1519 01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:29,700 can certainly help with, I think pretty much everybody. Because, 1520 01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:32,850 you know, we have very specific bandwidth uses, it's very 1521 01:38:32,850 --> 01:38:37,260 periodic. You know, we get these huge bursts twice a week, and 1522 01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:40,290 that's kind of it. And everything else is, is just 1523 01:38:40,290 --> 01:38:44,610 sitting there. So we'd love to be the gateway and the one you 1524 01:38:44,610 --> 01:38:49,590 can experiment on and figure it all out. You know, all this 1525 01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:52,620 stuff. You know, we don't require payment to do the 1526 01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:55,500 experimentation. Let's just get it rolling. I just want to get 1527 01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:59,520 it away from ipfs.io. Because I'm worried about that. I just 1528 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,010 don't want everyone to jump in and be like, Oh, it's great. And 1529 01:39:02,010 --> 01:39:08,250 then it's the same fear I have of, of Alby, you know, when I'll 1530 01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:13,590 be goes down, because they will. Everyone's going to cry. You 1531 01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:15,960 know, hopefully, it won't be too long. But these things happen. 1532 01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:19,710 So it, you know, but when it's within our group, that's 1533 01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:23,940 different. Because, you know, one, one posting and more says, 1534 01:39:23,940 --> 01:39:26,910 Yeah, we got some crap going on. All right, good. We're cool. 1535 01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:31,230 We'll figure it out. But if it's ipfs.io, we don't, you know, we 1536 01:39:31,230 --> 01:39:34,140 don't have that kind of relationship with them. Yet. 1537 01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:34,530 Okay. 1538 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,380 Cameron: Well, that's a good first step, because it'd be easy 1539 01:39:37,380 --> 01:39:41,370 just to replace IPFS data with your gateway. Yes. And then I 1540 01:39:41,370 --> 01:39:43,980 could send you the 1% Because you're the only one using it. 1541 01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:47,250 Eventually, I want to have just like you run a node now that you 1542 01:39:47,250 --> 01:39:50,460 could run a gateway, so there'd be multiple gateways. Yeah, 1543 01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:54,420 Adam Curry: I mean, I have five five gigabit fiber to my home 1544 01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:57,360 that's literally sitting here. Let's fill that thing and it's, 1545 01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:01,290 it's a synchronous, I five up and five down, you know, I'm 1546 01:40:01,290 --> 01:40:04,740 happy to fill that pipe up. Oh, yeah. 100 bucks a month baby. 1547 01:40:05,130 --> 01:40:05,940 Go, Texas. 1548 01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,200 Cameron: So when there's multiple gateways, that's when 1549 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,220 we run into Who do you pay? You know, so. But before that before 1550 01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:16,050 we figure that out, yeah, we could switch over to your 1551 01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:16,440 gateway, 1552 01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:18,570 Adam Curry: which is I mean, but even that, don't worry about the 1553 01:40:18,570 --> 01:40:21,570 payment part. First, let's make sure we can get the gateway 1554 01:40:21,570 --> 01:40:25,170 working, switch it over, then then you can start experimenting 1555 01:40:25,170 --> 01:40:28,560 with all that stuff. And there's plenty of people who have nodes 1556 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,440 who will be happy to set up gateways if you have something 1557 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:32,460 baked into the code. 1558 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,690 Cameron: Right? Yeah, the payment partner. I think it'd be 1559 01:40:36,690 --> 01:40:39,780 easy in the first hanging over to one side. I was thinking the 1560 01:40:39,780 --> 01:40:43,560 other day, what if we offered IPFS? Did I owe a split? Would 1561 01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,950 they be like, hey, maybe wait a minute, you know, they might, 1562 01:40:46,980 --> 01:40:49,560 they might, they might change their mind. 1563 01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:51,390 Adam Curry: But the problem is, they're still they're still 1564 01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:55,050 blocked. They're blocked on? Yeah, there's just there's an 1565 01:40:55,050 --> 01:40:56,970 issue there. Right. Sorry. Go ahead. 1566 01:40:58,620 --> 01:41:03,180 Alberto: Oh, yes. And? Well, I was thinking, because you have 1567 01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:08,460 to set up a gateway, if you could create. And you said that 1568 01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:16,530 before, a way to instantiate or to spin up a gateway. As easy as 1569 01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:20,820 with the nodes, like a Python script. Right, we would run a 1570 01:41:20,820 --> 01:41:23,670 gateway like this. You see the point, like the moment you make 1571 01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:28,950 it reproducible? It's very easy to spin up, maybe we would be 1572 01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:31,350 super surprised. We would have 10 gateways. 1573 01:41:31,620 --> 01:41:35,130 Adam Curry: Yeah, I agree. Right. I think there's a get a 1574 01:41:35,130 --> 01:41:36,180 get gateway code. 1575 01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,660 Cameron: Right? Yeah. Like Adam said, He's Kansas Fiber Internet 1576 01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:41,310 at home, you could run a gateway. Yeah, 1577 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,530 Dave Jones: I would, I wouldn't run where it'd be a lot of 1578 01:41:43,530 --> 01:41:44,220 Cameron: people like that. 1579 01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:47,760 Dave Jones: It's like, if I could control the gateway to 1580 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,370 such an extent, if I had a couple of controls in place 1581 01:41:50,370 --> 01:41:53,910 where I could turn it off when I needed to, so that it doesn't 1582 01:41:53,910 --> 01:42:00,270 kill my bandwidth during a show, or limit your limit. And also, 1583 01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:05,160 if I could say, Okay, over this time period, let's just say 30 1584 01:42:06,510 --> 01:42:12,150 per month, go up to this amount of usage and then stop. Like, if 1585 01:42:12,150 --> 01:42:17,430 I could do those two things. Because if if I could use if I 1586 01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:22,800 could determine like a cap, a monthly cap of usage, then we 1587 01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,190 could run one on Linode as well, because we have lots of spare 1588 01:42:26,190 --> 01:42:30,330 bandwidth each month. Each month, we use less than 25% of 1589 01:42:30,330 --> 01:42:34,590 our bandwidth. So we could, we could also serve a gateway. But 1590 01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:36,690 then I would want to just to make sure that we don't do 1591 01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:39,570 overages, I would want to make I would say, Okay, we're going to 1592 01:42:39,570 --> 01:42:44,580 be able to serve, you know, four terabytes. And then and then the 1593 01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:49,230 the node stops, or per day or whatever, if you had those two 1594 01:42:49,230 --> 01:42:52,890 controls in place, I like it would be very easy to dial up a 1595 01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:55,770 gateway that can be used in lots of scenarios. 1596 01:42:57,210 --> 01:42:59,940 Cameron: Right? Yeah, I'd have to come up with a way to kind of 1597 01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:03,390 rate the gateways to like who's who's better than the next and 1598 01:43:03,420 --> 01:43:05,490 not to send it to a horrible gateway. 1599 01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:08,940 Dave Jones: I believe and you can sort of like that. 1600 01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,240 Cameron: Kind of like we've got with the nodes that you know, 1601 01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,700 the peer counts is what I'm going off of. If you've got a 1602 01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:17,730 big red large peer count then you're better node than the ones 1603 01:43:17,730 --> 01:43:21,300 with too because they're not communicating very well. 1604 01:43:21,930 --> 01:43:24,390 Dave Jones: Oops. Yeah, yeah, I agree. 1605 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,240 Adam Curry: How about we thank some people Dave You have a soft 1606 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:30,630 out 1607 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,980 Dave Jones: it's not hard out as a self doubt. 1608 01:43:35,070 --> 01:43:36,780 Adam Curry: self doubt. Which means we have we have what do 1609 01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:39,060 you have like five minutes 10 minutes? You got a couple 1610 01:43:39,060 --> 01:43:39,660 minutes here. 1611 01:43:41,610 --> 01:43:44,010 Dave Jones: I'm neg I'm at negative 20 minutes. 1612 01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:50,010 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. All right. I'm sorry. So let's thank a few 1613 01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:53,070 people who have been live boosting because it's been quite 1614 01:43:53,070 --> 01:43:57,000 beautiful on the booster grams. And then we'll go through all 1615 01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,790 the other people we thanks so value for value if you are new 1616 01:43:59,790 --> 01:44:03,540 to the concept whatever you're getting out of this project out 1617 01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:06,600 of the podcast and the back to us in time, talent or or 1618 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,210 treasure, we love the treasure we'd love the booster grams, 1619 01:44:09,210 --> 01:44:11,490 particularly the message part which is even better than the 1620 01:44:11,490 --> 01:44:14,730 money part. All of it goes on to our node. We open up channels 1621 01:44:14,730 --> 01:44:18,390 for you whatever you need, we are here to service the entire 1622 01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:21,990 2.0 community and thank you to see dubs for his one on one a 1623 01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:29,070 one was just came in Mike Newman with Wow holy crap. We need a we 1624 01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:36,600 need he has a massive striper booth 77,777 Yikes. Yeah. Yikes 1625 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,840 is right. I didn't even expect to have to use the striper 1626 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,560 donation but it is Friday afternoon sat slinging in the 1627 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,710 board room and y'all don't forget to check out the it's a 1628 01:44:46,710 --> 01:44:50,010 mood music podcast. I love doing it. You might like listening to 1629 01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:56,250 a go podcasting podcast guru Jason. Will 1776 We'll try to 1630 01:44:56,250 --> 01:44:59,010 get back to some IPFS app experiments after we finish our 1631 01:44:59,010 --> 01:45:02,760 V for V work Great show he says thank you, bully steed with a tu 1632 01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:08,310 tu tu with a test. We got sir Spencer 16,969 work sucks. 1633 01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,500 Unless we're working on podcasting 2.0 and 1634 01:45:10,500 --> 01:45:13,590 decentralizing Music Publishing, then we're kind of kicks ass. 1635 01:45:13,950 --> 01:45:18,000 Yes, that's true. Dred Scott boosting John Ross. He says 1636 01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:22,500 boosting work socks by John Ross 44,333 Mr. Robot boosting for 1637 01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:26,910 work socks value for value it just works 1945 There's Mike 1638 01:45:26,910 --> 01:45:31,260 Newman boosting the value split loving it. John Ross 7337. Nice. 1639 01:45:31,470 --> 01:45:34,710 Lead moose there. Are teat depends on how you look at it. 1640 01:45:35,340 --> 01:45:41,430 Blueberry 17,776. Big shout out to cotton gin and Steven B for 1641 01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:46,170 their work of this week with a new split kit IRC bot. Hmm, who 1642 01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:46,830 didn't even know 1643 01:45:46,860 --> 01:45:49,800 Dave Jones: Oh, I saw that. No, I saw it just a minute ago. It 1644 01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:53,610 came through when? When you played the when you played the 1645 01:45:53,610 --> 01:45:55,350 song it came through in the IRC. 1646 01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:59,070 Adam Curry: Oh, God so can I control that too? Is that 1647 01:45:59,070 --> 01:46:03,780 something that I like it shit so undeniably lit. He says You bet. 1648 01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:07,740 And there's Ben from rss.com with 1000 SATs and he says 1649 01:46:08,010 --> 01:46:13,590 Netflix is a hosting platform. Yes, yeah, we can put them out 1650 01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:17,190 of business to no problem. Get this IPFS podcasting thing 1651 01:46:17,190 --> 01:46:21,480 working sir TJ the raffle come as in with that now he's from 1652 01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:24,810 the dorsals and that banjo stuff at the bottom of the chart 1653 01:46:24,990 --> 01:46:30,450 17,777 Spotify is a scam and a part of me almost likes not 1654 01:46:30,450 --> 01:46:33,630 knowing stream play counts. People listen or they don't. The 1655 01:46:33,630 --> 01:46:36,660 music grabs you or it doesn't. It's the connection to people 1656 01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:39,600 who did good music and interact to them with that makes it the 1657 01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:44,340 magic V for V is real. It's real life. Getting people to try 1658 01:46:44,340 --> 01:46:48,210 boosting and trying Peach 2.0 apps is the hardest part. We 1659 01:46:48,210 --> 01:46:50,790 just got to keep encouraging people to try it. Thank you 1660 01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:53,490 brother that and you're the people to do it. The artists 1661 01:46:53,490 --> 01:46:58,110 will do it. net net with 10,000 SATs I love your audio blog. 1662 01:47:00,090 --> 01:47:06,810 Like your net net. Dred Scott 1234560 man we got a baller 1663 01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:12,480 blades on am Paula boosting for the boost boost Q with the DJ 1664 01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:20,520 horn. Go podcasting anonymous with satchel Richards 11,111 1665 01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:26,940 Eric p p with 33,333 There's RSS Ben again 1000 stats 100% 1666 01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:36,720 Banana, okay, whatever we got Carolyn with Whoa. 100,020 is 1667 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:40,890 Blaze only Impala. The future is right here with podcasting. 2.0 1668 01:47:40,890 --> 01:47:44,550 podcasters can put out a podcast for themselves and succeed with 1669 01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:48,630 the V four V model. And there's Ben again with 1000 SATs bad 1670 01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:51,960 sign is right 19 People turned tuned into ring the bell Oh, 1671 01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:57,960 he's talking about the podcast one. And there's Sir Brian of 1672 01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:03,750 London 71,948 a massive striper Israeli boost. jiggle the 1673 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:07,140 handle. I'll be in Rosarito, Mexico a short drive from San 1674 01:48:07,140 --> 01:48:10,350 Diego the 20th through the 30th September if anyone wants to say 1675 01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:15,210 hi. Okay, all right. Hey, guess he's doing the only fans meet 1676 01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:20,820 up. Cotton Gin with 3333 Aces. I forgot to let mom we did not not 1677 01:48:20,820 --> 01:48:26,250 sure what happened but it finally did work. And that is 1678 01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:29,250 it. Dave What do you have on your Bookstagram list and on the 1679 01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:30,090 PayPals 1680 01:48:30,780 --> 01:48:35,370 Dave Jones: see servos at this date have an air horn but I do 1681 01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:41,700 not have an air horn button. I don't know. I've got lots of 1682 01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:44,910 weird stuff, but I do not. Stop it. You're making everybody 1683 01:48:44,910 --> 01:48:48,930 crazy. We should just do a show like this. Hi, I'm Adam curry. 1684 01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:54,990 That this is not gonna work. This is this dueling horrible 1685 01:48:54,990 --> 01:49:00,480 things. It's not gonna happen. Oscar Oscar. Oscar marry $200 1686 01:49:01,290 --> 01:49:02,610 Thank you Oscar through the Pay Pal. 1687 01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,390 Adam Curry: Yay. Okay, 1688 01:49:06,420 --> 01:49:07,350 Dave Jones: much appreciated. 1689 01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:11,670 Adam Curry: Was that big piece of paper roll up? 1690 01:49:11,670 --> 01:49:13,590 Dave Jones: Yeah, these are these are large sheets of paper. 1691 01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:18,600 Thank you Oscar. Really appreciate that. Nico klein $10 1692 01:49:19,710 --> 01:49:27,750 No note thank you, Nico. See who got Charles say a sailor is S E 1693 01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:28,560 yle 1694 01:49:28,590 --> 01:49:30,750 Adam Curry: we think is saili Sounds right. 1695 01:49:31,110 --> 01:49:37,620 Dave Jones: Yeah. $10 Thank you Joe. No note there we get Travis 1696 01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:43,320 halls since seven $7.17 He says there's a donation only station 1697 01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:47,940 in San Francisco. So my fm.com that could possibly fit your 1698 01:49:47,940 --> 01:49:51,870 amazing live stream radio garden app is actually how I found the 1699 01:49:51,870 --> 01:49:53,460 in a stream thank you for all you do. 1700 01:49:53,849 --> 01:49:57,359 Adam Curry: Interesting. No contact them. Let them know. Let 1701 01:49:57,359 --> 01:49:57,869 them know we're out. 1702 01:49:59,490 --> 01:50:03,480 Dave Jones: See we got Some booths we got. Oh, LT ng store 1703 01:50:03,480 --> 01:50:10,890 that Sam means. So Sam from wavelength 934 SATs through 1704 01:50:10,890 --> 01:50:14,340 fountaining said WaveLight. Top 40 is based on SATs and time 1705 01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:15,420 splits are coming. 1706 01:50:15,749 --> 01:50:19,469 Adam Curry: Nice. And by the way, nice interview on the pod 1707 01:50:19,469 --> 01:50:24,299 news weekly review with Sam and also with Ainsley Costello 1708 01:50:24,329 --> 01:50:29,069 definitely worth listening to. Okay. Great. I listened to both 1709 01:50:29,069 --> 01:50:30,959 of them last night in bed. It was fantastic. 1710 01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:35,790 Dave Jones: In typical samsat the fashion of millions of of 1711 01:50:36,060 --> 01:50:40,830 booths. What I say tests pod fans, various configurations. 1712 01:50:40,830 --> 01:50:41,670 Thank you, Sam. Thank 1713 01:50:41,670 --> 01:50:43,650 Adam Curry: you, Sam. Appreciate it by 1714 01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:47,790 Dave Jones: Jean been a big row of ducks. 2222 says b&h would 1715 01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:51,330 likely just replace it for you, Dave. Then they did. They did. 1716 01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:54,750 They did. They didn't They not only replaced it. They upgraded 1717 01:50:54,750 --> 01:50:56,910 it to expedited replacement for free. 1718 01:50:57,390 --> 01:50:59,730 Adam Curry: They know who you are. They know they know what 1719 01:50:59,730 --> 01:51:01,590 side their bread is buttered. 1720 01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,480 Dave Jones: Anonymous podcast guru user 1200 SATs a whole 1721 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:10,980 bunch of times. Thank you anonymous podcast guru user. see 1722 01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:15,090 who we got? Jean been again? 20 to 22 through cast ematic says 1723 01:51:15,090 --> 01:51:19,410 so. Can the top 100 chart also be a playlist that I can 1724 01:51:19,410 --> 01:51:21,450 subscribe to? 1725 01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:26,130 Adam Curry: That is nice. Yeah. Nice idea. Yeah. Well, the whole 1726 01:51:26,130 --> 01:51:30,390 idea is exportable. I saw it on lm beach.com. And I said, David, 1727 01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:33,780 you already make an API so that Stephen could import that didn't 1728 01:51:33,780 --> 01:51:39,810 know just scraping the HTML. The poor man's API, but it works. 1729 01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:42,510 Dave Jones: It would let me find new music and keep up with 1730 01:51:42,510 --> 01:51:44,970 what's trending maybe something related to the music playlist 1731 01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:49,470 example at Yes, that is that is a fantastic idea that I will do 1732 01:51:49,470 --> 01:51:52,560 this. Okay. So as soon as the chart is finished, I will make 1733 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,040 also a downloadable version of it that conforms to the list 1734 01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:56,520 medium. 1735 01:51:57,090 --> 01:51:58,980 Adam Curry: Oh, nice idea. 1736 01:51:58,980 --> 01:52:02,880 Dave Jones: I like Yeah, and so then an app can just read the 1737 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,420 feed suck in all the and just suck it in as a playlist. This 1738 01:52:06,900 --> 01:52:14,040 great idea GP. Excellent. Natty 48. Sir Brian of London. See no 1739 01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:21,060 aces. Gravity is making me Get down. Get down, Brian. Thank you 1740 01:52:21,060 --> 01:52:27,210 for that. Chat. F no note 3333 seed said that a couple of 1741 01:52:27,210 --> 01:52:33,420 times. Big last. Big last. I don't know the sexual Richard 1742 01:52:33,420 --> 01:52:37,650 11111 There Fountas is I can't get any of Adams podcast while 1743 01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:41,100 running my VPN? Probably the IPFS thing I would think. 1744 01:52:41,730 --> 01:52:47,550 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, VPNs I mean, key word VPN. It messes 1745 01:52:47,550 --> 01:52:50,340 every day. Correct? Yeah. Can mess kinds of stuff up. Yeah. 1746 01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:53,610 Dave Jones: You don't know what you're gonna get? Joelle w 1111. 1747 01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:57,960 Sasha Richard. Thank you. Joel for fountain note. Gene Everett 1748 01:52:58,890 --> 01:53:06,150 roadex 2222 through fountain uses boost. Boost. Nicholas B 1749 01:53:06,150 --> 01:53:12,330 58. A big road dogs. 22,222 SATs. Wow. You found any niece's 1750 01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:13,920 birthday boosts? 1751 01:53:14,370 --> 01:53:19,560 Adam Curry: I'll give you a little cup Thank you, 1752 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,790 Dave Jones: Franco 10,000 Sastra Casta Matic No, no thank you, 1753 01:53:23,790 --> 01:53:29,160 Franco appreciate that buddy. Sam Sethi at 503 through pod 1754 01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:34,320 fans. Thank you, Sam. Dobby das 15,000 SATs I'm getting Dobby 1755 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,680 das on the show. not next week but the week after he's 1756 01:53:38,370 --> 01:53:39,270 Adam Curry: RSS blue. 1757 01:53:39,810 --> 01:53:43,740 Dave Jones: Yep, that's right cool. Devadasi found in 15,000 1758 01:53:43,740 --> 01:53:46,200 SAS he says after an hour of unsuccessful attempts I have 1759 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,170 finally gotten my Satoshis out of breeze and into your wallet 1760 01:53:49,170 --> 01:53:49,830 so let's go 1761 01:53:51,690 --> 01:53:54,000 Adam Curry: I know I'm supposed to have a chat with Roy today 1762 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,390 he's he's sort of resurfaced always plan late landed very 1763 01:53:57,390 --> 01:54:00,030 late. So we're going to talk tomorrow but I need desperately 1764 01:54:00,030 --> 01:54:02,340 need to get I need to get briefed on the value times blitz 1765 01:54:02,340 --> 01:54:03,960 man, we've got to get this stuff upgraded. 1766 01:54:04,679 --> 01:54:08,219 Dave Jones: Oh, sweet. Yeah. Billy Bones 3438 No note thank 1767 01:54:08,219 --> 01:54:10,469 you Billy Bones and the delimiter comic strip blogger 1768 01:54:10,469 --> 01:54:15,239 30 3015. Through fountain he says howdy podcast index LLC 1769 01:54:15,239 --> 01:54:20,009 team David Adam. I'd like to recommend a podcast called curry 1770 01:54:20,009 --> 01:54:24,029 and the keeper. Oh very to what the name might suggest. It's not 1771 01:54:24,029 --> 01:54:29,639 about Indian spicy food. Instead, it follows instead it 1772 01:54:29,639 --> 01:54:38,789 follows Adam curry in his native born American life okay, as they 1773 01:54:38,789 --> 01:54:42,719 navigate life in a vibrant Texas City, you can listen to the 1774 01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:48,359 podcast at WWW dot Currey and the keeper.com Yo CSB. 1775 01:54:48,420 --> 01:54:51,570 Adam Curry: Well thank you, brother and remember k TLD live 1776 01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:52,140 down 1777 01:54:56,820 --> 01:54:59,940 Dave Jones: monthlies. I forgot we got out of here last week and 1778 01:54:59,940 --> 01:55:03,330 uh forgot to do the monthlies oh so double ups I've got double 1779 01:55:03,330 --> 01:55:12,180 have got. 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You 1785 01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:49,530 know, we're limited $5 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael Goggin $5 1786 01:55:49,530 --> 01:55:54,990 Charles current $5 James Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20 1787 01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:01,440 Cohen glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 Jordan Dunnville $10 1788 01:56:01,470 --> 01:56:09,000 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 dribs got $15 Pedro gonna calvess $5 1789 01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:10,890 Cameron Rose $25 1790 01:56:11,009 --> 01:56:14,429 Adam Curry: Scotch. These are great. are so kind really 1791 01:56:14,429 --> 01:56:15,329 fantastic. 1792 01:56:15,569 --> 01:56:18,119 Dave Jones: Because we were out so long, it's almost the entire 1793 01:56:18,329 --> 01:56:26,429 monthly subscribers in one show. Chad Farrow $20.22. Kevin Bay 1794 01:56:26,579 --> 01:56:29,939 $3. From the endowment. You know, the Kevin Bacon? 1795 01:56:30,270 --> 01:56:33,030 Adam Curry: Yes. Yes, the endowment? Sure. Sure. Mark 1796 01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:33,690 Graham and 1797 01:56:33,690 --> 01:56:38,010 Dave Jones: Martin lindskog both gave $1 each. Thank you, Brenda, 1798 01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:41,880 never a pot page. $25. And that's our group. 1799 01:56:42,150 --> 01:56:45,630 Adam Curry: Wow, what a great group. Thank you all so much. 1800 01:56:46,350 --> 01:56:49,350 Really, really appreciate you really appreciate that. 1801 01:56:49,890 --> 01:56:52,650 Dave Jones: I feel like my paper crumble is overpowered now with 1802 01:56:52,650 --> 01:56:54,180 this new these new preamps 1803 01:56:55,650 --> 01:56:58,680 Adam Curry: actually, it's, it's okay. It's powerful. It's very 1804 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,850 powerful. It it gives you a feeling of power somehow I like 1805 01:57:02,850 --> 01:57:04,050 it a lot. Thank you. Look, I'm 1806 01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:05,010 Dave Jones: dominating the show. 1807 01:57:05,730 --> 01:57:08,880 Adam Curry: Thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 1808 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,330 2.0 podcast index. It goes directly towards running all the 1809 01:57:12,330 --> 01:57:15,990 infrastructure. And thank you, of course, everyone who provides 1810 01:57:16,020 --> 01:57:18,570 a time and talent as well you know who you are a lot of them 1811 01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:21,120 in the in the chat room and a lot of listening. A lot of you 1812 01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:22,890 are listening from around the world. We're doing amazing 1813 01:57:22,890 --> 01:57:27,210 things. I'm very, very, I'm just I'm just so humbled by what is 1814 01:57:27,210 --> 01:57:30,540 happening here. And special thanks to our guests, Cameron 1815 01:57:30,540 --> 01:57:33,030 and Alberto for being here today. And for all the work you 1816 01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:36,780 guys are doing on IPFS podcasting, and it's really 1817 01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:39,150 appreciated. And I think this is going to move the needle and 1818 01:57:39,150 --> 01:57:42,510 especially Umberto I love the I love your insight coming from a 1819 01:57:42,510 --> 01:57:45,870 holster how you just look at that from I think you might have 1820 01:57:45,870 --> 01:57:47,610 rattled a few people with this today. 1821 01:57:49,140 --> 01:57:50,010 Alberto: I hope not. 1822 01:57:52,110 --> 01:57:53,970 Adam Curry: What do you mean that we like it when you rattle 1823 01:57:53,970 --> 01:57:58,530 people? That's good. That is good. It's good. Anything else? 1824 01:57:58,530 --> 01:58:03,990 Anyone else? For the final final go round here at the table? Damn 1825 01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:04,230 good. 1826 01:58:04,349 --> 01:58:07,829 Cameron: Just. Yeah, just Thanks, Adam, for being the 1827 01:58:07,829 --> 01:58:11,939 master scissor guy. When you talked about running booths here 1828 01:58:11,939 --> 01:58:12,899 and while I was nervous to 1829 01:58:14,910 --> 01:58:17,340 Dave Jones: when when Adam starts a new show, everybody 1830 01:58:17,340 --> 01:58:17,910 gets nervous. 1831 01:58:20,670 --> 01:58:23,430 Adam Curry: It somehow it all just kind of works. It's really 1832 01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:27,690 phenomenal. Thank you all very much, Dave. Have a great weekend 1833 01:58:27,690 --> 01:58:30,870 brother. That made you do Okay, everybody in the chat room. 1834 01:58:31,260 --> 01:58:34,710 Cameron Oberto, thank you all very much. 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