1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for July 21 2023, episode 142 Bottom 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,200 funnel Hello everybody time once again for the official board 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,250 meeting of podcasting 2.0. That's right, the only boardroom 4 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:20,520 that's open during the strike. We're here to bring you 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,970 everything that's going on with the podcast index.org with the 6 00:00:23,970 --> 00:00:26,850 podcast namespace, of course, everything. We're talking about 7 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:30,780 O'Byrne podcast index on social the future of podcasting is 8 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:33,720 here. I'm Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,410 and in Alabama, the man who will grep your log anytime day or 10 00:00:37,410 --> 00:00:39,780 night. Say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and 11 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:42,570 gentlemen, Mr. de m. Yo. 12 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:48,390 Dave Jones: I'm barely had time to put my vitamin D drops in the 13 00:00:48,390 --> 00:00:48,990 beef shake. 14 00:00:50,369 --> 00:00:52,109 Adam Curry: Things I never say 15 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:56,610 Dave Jones: I did as a special gift to myself today though. 16 00:00:57,030 --> 00:01:01,470 Yeah, I dropped as I was mixing up the grass fed beef milkshake. 17 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:05,970 Dropped in a dropped an ice cream sandwich in there. Oh, I 18 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:07,530 Adam Curry: thought you were gonna say I dropped a little bit 19 00:01:07,530 --> 00:01:09,480 of acid in there. And that would have been really cool. 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,910 Dave Jones: We'll be great in about 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,270 Adam Curry: day two tuned, it's on the way. 22 00:01:16,019 --> 00:01:19,139 Dave Jones: Yes. Ice Cream Sandwich known for his vitamin 23 00:01:19,139 --> 00:01:20,069 and mineral content. 24 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:23,100 Adam Curry: That was a little a little bit of a downer. We 25 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:26,700 started today. And we always try to have a cool little pre stream 26 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:30,450 show. We're singing along with some classic hits 100% retro, 27 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:33,300 which is available in all modern podcast apps and understand the 28 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:39,180 live concert. And we found out Tony Bennett passed away today. 29 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:45,150 It's just I mean, he had a great life. 96 years old was still 30 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,900 miss Tony tried to play Little Tony and then I got even more 31 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,690 depressed was not a good thing. When I 32 00:01:51,689 --> 00:01:55,319 Dave Jones: came in and sat down 10 minutes late by the way. I 33 00:01:55,319 --> 00:02:00,569 came in and sat down and went up when I jack into the stream. 34 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:07,829 Yes. Typically, you got 100% retro. It was Madonna Auto Tune 35 00:02:07,859 --> 00:02:10,079 whatever that stupid song is that she has that. 36 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:15,660 Adam Curry: That yeah, I forget what it was. 37 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:19,710 Dave Jones: Whatever, that dumb song and so then. And then I'm 38 00:02:19,710 --> 00:02:23,040 like, okay, somebody you were not here. I said somebody tell 39 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:26,190 Adam that I'm here but I gotta go like putting my stuff now and 40 00:02:26,190 --> 00:02:34,410 everything. And I get back in. It's like, Tony. Hey, Tony 41 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:34,980 Bennett. Dad 42 00:02:35,070 --> 00:02:38,760 Adam Curry: just heard about it. Like, oh, man, I was mentioning 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,430 earlier during the stream. I will say now that I saw him I 44 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:45,060 think three years ago in Austin, maybe four years ago. at the 45 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:48,660 movie theater. I'd seen him eight years ago as well in 46 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:52,590 Austin at a bigger theater did the same thing. But so he was 92 47 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:55,800 I guess. And I got halfway or three quarters through the 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,810 concert. He just puts his mic down and sings on amplified and 49 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:02,250 fills the whole place. 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,730 Dave Jones: There was a better bed deck. I bet it's like kind 51 00:03:05,730 --> 00:03:08,580 of a haunting. Saying 52 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:11,910 Adam Curry: goosebumps just Goosebumps. Goosebumps. I also 53 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:15,570 saw him when he had his daughter on the road. Who I didn't know 54 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:20,520 about. Yeah, he while his daughter was kind of for 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,830 support. I think he said I just wanted her on the she can say 56 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:25,770 she's good singer to just wander on the road for support. And so 57 00:03:25,770 --> 00:03:28,260 didn't want to be out on the road by myself. My last years. 58 00:03:30,180 --> 00:03:31,560 Yeah. Anyway, 59 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:33,150 Dave Jones: are you one of those? We'll see when those guys 60 00:03:33,150 --> 00:03:39,360 that got into like, became like a standard Las Vegas. Person 61 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,350 that like live there. 62 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,980 Adam Curry: Well, I mean, he of course was there for many years 63 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:47,850 on and off. But I mean, he was way above and beyond, you know, 64 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:51,630 a like a residency in Vegas. I mean, he was he could do 65 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:55,620 anything you wanted at any point in time anywhere in the world. I 66 00:03:55,620 --> 00:03:58,620 had he was he was he was Frank Sinatra's favorite singer. 67 00:03:59,190 --> 00:04:02,310 Dave Jones: Give Good for him. Yeah, he had a good luck. Yeah, 68 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:07,320 Adam Curry: good luck. Good Life is awesome. All the songs at the 69 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,680 American Songbook is rolling through my head. Anyway, welcome 70 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,770 strikers. For those of you wondering, What am I going to do 71 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:16,050 during the strike? Well, you came to the right place. 72 00:04:18,030 --> 00:04:20,310 Dave Jones: Welcome to get up and get any podcast. 73 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:26,760 Adam Curry: Well, you know, I'm just saying if there's all kinds 74 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,570 of exceptions and waivers for the strike business, like Apple 75 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:34,050 got a waiver for one of their shows there's there's all these 76 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:39,840 like, tricky deals you can do and then the the guild or the 77 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:43,260 union so sag AFTRA, and I guess the Writers Guild will give you 78 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:46,080 a waiver so you can continue production is like kind of 79 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:46,830 scammy 80 00:04:47,249 --> 00:04:51,449 Dave Jones: this is this is the this is the Russia sanctions 81 00:04:51,449 --> 00:04:56,399 scam. You know, you get sanctions, but you have like 27 82 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:59,669 Different loopholes that you can Oh, yeah, but you can't you 83 00:04:59,669 --> 00:05:02,789 can't Take oil, you know, you can't accept oil from Russia, 84 00:05:03,269 --> 00:05:07,679 unless you're in one of these 57 special categories. 85 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:10,590 Adam Curry: Exactly. Exactly. And then you can, 86 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,420 Dave Jones: it's all fine. Yeah. 87 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,440 Adam Curry: It's I mean, I'm just looking at what's going on 88 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,460 and how far apart these people are and what the what I think 89 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:24,450 the this is called Hollywood, but it's not really fair because 90 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:28,320 99% of the people who work in the entertainment industry on 91 00:05:29,250 --> 00:05:33,900 television, radio, movies, support for all that are meal 92 00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:37,980 people you've never heard of probably just, you know, actors 93 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:40,830 who work for a living, you know, look at any scene on a 94 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:46,110 television or movie, television show or movies. There's, there's 95 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:48,630 about 50 people walking around that you don't think about but 96 00:05:48,630 --> 00:05:50,400 they're there. They're, you know, they're on set, they're 97 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,670 getting paid. Some of them do speaking roles. It's all I mean, 98 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:58,890 I've I've done my fair share of little bit parts here and there, 99 00:05:58,980 --> 00:06:02,070 and you don't get paid much good paid scale, even though I was 100 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:04,290 MTB guy. Now, here's scale Shut up. 101 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,730 Dave Jones: What's it's, it's common. I mean, it's common for 102 00:06:08,730 --> 00:06:12,330 everybody, the everybody in anything related to media 103 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,520 because this like, say New York Times had an article today 104 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,000 actually printed it out Google tests AI tool that is able to 105 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:26,550 write news articles. Here's, here's this, here's this line. 106 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:30,270 And it says, news organizations around the world are grappling 107 00:06:30,570 --> 00:06:32,970 with whether to use artificial intelligence tools in their 108 00:06:32,970 --> 00:06:37,530 newsrooms, many, including the times NPR and insider, have 109 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:40,890 notified employees that they intend to explore potential uses 110 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:44,730 of AI to see how it might be responsibly applied to the high 111 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:47,820 stakes realm of news, where seconds count and accuracy is 112 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:49,290 paramount. You see, I'm 113 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:52,320 Adam Curry: not I don't think AI is so much the problem. I really 114 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,130 don't. I don't think Hollywood believes that, you know, great 115 00:06:56,130 --> 00:07:00,540 scripts are going to get turned out by AI. The problem is, it's 116 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:03,570 no longer the business that these actors and writers thought 117 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:06,900 they were in, you know, and it was all great when it was like, 118 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,690 hey, you know, we're changing the model. We don't have 119 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:12,870 residuals because it's all gonna be on our streaming app. So 120 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:15,960 we're gonna pay you more upfront. So you because then you 121 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,540 won't get residuals like, okay, and I was like, hey, that's 122 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:21,300 groovy. And look at all this work I got, and then interest 123 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:23,910 rates went through the roof and the free money train stopped and 124 00:07:23,910 --> 00:07:26,970 I was like, no, sorry, you know, and we're only doing six 125 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,810 episodes per season. So sorry. You know, wait six months 126 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:34,470 without work. And what they it's your are your headphones louder? 127 00:07:34,470 --> 00:07:36,870 Is that me? I hear myself coming back from time to time. 128 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:39,630 Dave Jones: They're probably pretty loud. Yeah. Okay. I'm 129 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:40,140 jacked. 130 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:45,240 Adam Curry: Just turn you to No, no, do whatever is fine. I like 131 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,700 Dave Jones: you. I Like You loud in my head that way. It's it 132 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:50,820 feels good. Feels like you're right there. Do what I say. 133 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:57,030 Jones, no. Good Feet behind me. 134 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,110 Adam Curry: The problem is these guys don't realize it's no 135 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:05,250 longer dealing with Hollywood did dealing with Silicon Valley. 136 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:08,310 And we know the Silicon Valley model. Give me all your 137 00:08:08,310 --> 00:08:11,940 creativity. Here's nothing. That's right. That's what they 138 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:16,830 do. That's that's a big reason why podcasting got into so much 139 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:20,910 trouble. By the way. I heard something kind of encouraging. 140 00:08:21,870 --> 00:08:27,900 On the pod news weekly review. There's these two young women 141 00:08:28,470 --> 00:08:29,130 that 142 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:34,140 Dave Jones: that interview. Yeah. Seriously made. It just 143 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:36,930 made me sad. Well, it made me depressed 144 00:08:36,929 --> 00:08:39,419 Adam Curry: really, because I kind of got happy about it. 145 00:08:39,899 --> 00:08:44,699 Interesting. Georgina Holt and Christiana Benton from the 146 00:08:44,699 --> 00:08:49,019 telling agency that I think is not a great name personally. 147 00:08:50,249 --> 00:08:52,709 Because I couldn't hear it. It was hard. What's the name 148 00:08:52,769 --> 00:08:56,369 telling? Like belling selling, I couldn't quite get it. The 149 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:59,669 reason why I got a little enthusiastic is because they're 150 00:08:59,669 --> 00:09:06,299 going back to the original model that I started with at pod show. 151 00:09:07,109 --> 00:09:11,399 And that model was the idea that you could move away from 152 00:09:11,909 --> 00:09:16,919 downloads and listener metrics and go to what they're calling a 153 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:24,269 performance based. Performance based advertising, also known as 154 00:09:25,589 --> 00:09:30,509 what is it? Direct codes? Now? What Yeah, exactly. What do you 155 00:09:30,509 --> 00:09:31,379 call it? What do you call it? 156 00:09:32,130 --> 00:09:33,720 Dave Jones: Coupon Code coupon codes. 157 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,200 Adam Curry: Now what what happened with that is, very 158 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,610 quickly, we realized that the way to success with the coupon 159 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:47,940 codes was to SEO the crap out of the coupon code, who cares 160 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:51,510 what's in the podcast, as long as someone use the codes? So 161 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:53,250 then before you know it, you know, there's all these 162 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:56,430 companies that are being hired and they're, you know, they're 163 00:09:56,430 --> 00:09:59,130 making sure that people see these coupon codes and those an 164 00:09:59,130 --> 00:10:02,550 arbitrage which In the coupon code, you know, buying traffic 165 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:05,160 for the coupon codes, and then what we could get from the 166 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:11,010 advertiser. So it was a scam and I hated it. Yeah. However, they 167 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:14,490 said something kind of interesting. So the idea is, you 168 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,070 you want someone to buy something that's really the 169 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:20,640 metric that the advertiser uses. Either you're going to have 170 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,910 someone sign up for something register for something, or buy 171 00:10:23,910 --> 00:10:26,400 something, there's a kind of the action so you're going to get 172 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,100 compensated based on how many people can perform an action. 173 00:10:29,550 --> 00:10:34,440 And they were of course talking about attribution and pixels and 174 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,180 all this creepy tracking crap, 175 00:10:36,629 --> 00:10:39,419 Dave Jones: and bottom funnels and whatever the hell that 176 00:10:39,419 --> 00:10:39,779 means. 177 00:10:39,809 --> 00:10:41,969 Adam Curry: Bottom funnel is a great show Title I 178 00:10:43,169 --> 00:10:45,059 Dave Jones: don't know what it means a porn 179 00:10:45,059 --> 00:10:46,139 Adam Curry: category on 180 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,950 Dave Jones: one point, I wish I had clipped it at the bottom 181 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,570 I've given myself a moratorium on pod news weekly review clips, 182 00:10:57,570 --> 00:11:00,360 because there's just so many good things in there that I just 183 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,980 have to stop so I don't have a challenge to not clip that show 184 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:09,600 every week. So there was this one section in that interview 185 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:18,180 with I think it's Christiana she goes on a string of digital 186 00:11:18,180 --> 00:11:22,350 advertising jargon that was one for the record books it was like 187 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:22,530 it was 188 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,419 Adam Curry: there was a lot of that in there with the accident 189 00:11:24,419 --> 00:11:25,349 made it even funnier. 190 00:11:27,419 --> 00:11:30,029 Dave Jones: It was like it was like seven or eight seconds of 191 00:11:30,029 --> 00:11:33,989 words that I had no idea what any of it man oh my god, what is 192 00:11:33,989 --> 00:11:34,229 what? 193 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:39,780 Adam Curry: Well, then I had a thought because and then also 194 00:11:39,780 --> 00:11:43,050 and these things never come accidentally because who was it 195 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:46,050 was I go a guy over there on podcast index dot social who's 196 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:49,560 doing the stats? These extrapolating our stats and 197 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,060 creating new stats from the stats, 198 00:11:51,329 --> 00:11:53,249 Dave Jones: Ron Plouffe palooza. 199 00:11:54,570 --> 00:12:00,780 Adam Curry: Let's Obama's guy, Ron blue. No. Let me see. It's 200 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:04,830 on the second who is a dude, come on. It is Ron Plouffe. 201 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,319 Dave Jones: That's when you're thinking of David. David 202 00:12:07,319 --> 00:12:07,679 Plouffe. 203 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,950 Adam Curry: David Plouffe? Yes. Another No, no, 204 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:12,750 Dave Jones: there may be a relation. I don't know. Here's 205 00:12:12,779 --> 00:12:15,719 Adam Curry: another namespace milestone this week feeds with 206 00:12:15,719 --> 00:12:19,379 chapters crossed 20,000. On Wednesday, congratulations. This 207 00:12:19,379 --> 00:12:23,969 is quite good. You know, there's 20,000 podcast feeds that are 208 00:12:23,969 --> 00:12:26,819 actively using chapters. That's not bad. 209 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,580 Dave Jones: That number is actually way more impressive 210 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:33,570 than it sounds because of the number we know that the number 211 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:38,040 of active shows is way, way lower than 4 million, you know, 212 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:38,190 the 213 00:12:38,669 --> 00:12:40,169 Adam Curry: more like 400,000 214 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,329 Dave Jones: Yeah, right. Right. So that I mean, that's actually 215 00:12:42,359 --> 00:12:44,039 that's a pretty decent chunk. 216 00:12:44,429 --> 00:12:48,689 Adam Curry: So then I was thinking, here's what it was 217 00:12:48,689 --> 00:12:51,329 like the problem with attribution, and all this crap 218 00:12:51,329 --> 00:12:54,449 is all the tracking and the creepy stuff. And ultimately, 219 00:12:54,449 --> 00:12:57,479 it's not, it's just not really a great way. And I said, Wait a 220 00:12:57,479 --> 00:13:02,489 minute, we have people in the app, you know, the call to 221 00:13:02,489 --> 00:13:06,329 action shouldn't be, hey, buy this product, subscribe for this 222 00:13:06,329 --> 00:13:10,169 service, sign up to this newsletter, whatever the call to 223 00:13:10,169 --> 00:13:14,039 action is. Just look at your app right there. In the chapter, 224 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:18,839 click the link, we have the mechanism for this, we have the 225 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:24,389 call to action mechanism, which is dot does not require view to 226 00:13:24,479 --> 00:13:28,049 be tracked. So we know that you heard about it on the show. No, 227 00:13:28,049 --> 00:13:32,699 you can literally track it from a chapter link. That'll take you 228 00:13:32,699 --> 00:13:34,319 right to whatever the action is. 229 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:37,649 Dave Jones: You'll see that's what, that's what that app visie 230 00:13:37,649 --> 00:13:41,639 was trying to do. At vizlib, when we had them on the show the 231 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:44,669 guy from Australia, you what happened to them? I don't know. 232 00:13:44,699 --> 00:13:48,299 I mean, they were they were kind of they were rolling for a while 233 00:13:48,299 --> 00:13:51,329 and then they just can't, don't haven't seen or heard from in a 234 00:13:51,329 --> 00:13:55,499 while. So I don't know, I don't know if they didn't make it or 235 00:13:55,499 --> 00:13:56,429 what I'm not sure. 236 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:59,880 Adam Curry: But the idea, the idea. Yeah, the idea is good. 237 00:13:59,910 --> 00:14:03,780 And now we have some traction with this stuff. And so it's 238 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:07,050 really a I mean, it's to me, it's like a hybrid value for 239 00:14:07,050 --> 00:14:11,100 value in a way where you say, hey, look, we're sponsored by, 240 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:16,530 by now this advertiser, because it all it all requires what we 241 00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:20,280 would call a host read, but it's not really it's more integrated 242 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,760 into the, into the content of the into the content, the 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,910 product is kind of integrated into what the show is doing. 244 00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:30,030 Say, Hey, you know, the way to support this show, is to get a 245 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,270 modern podcast app. And then whenever you hear something you 246 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:36,300 like, you know, right there, click on the image, and it'll 247 00:14:36,300 --> 00:14:37,440 take you to the offer. 248 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:42,390 Dave Jones: That's the only way I'm gonna get back. 249 00:14:42,779 --> 00:14:44,939 Adam Curry: Which by the way, I think would be very, very 250 00:14:44,939 --> 00:14:48,449 valuable as an audience that if you can get your audience to do 251 00:14:48,449 --> 00:14:52,289 that, and it's not a big ask. It really isn't. I mean, whether 252 00:14:52,289 --> 00:14:56,789 you're asking people to bigger ask us to ask them to boost with 253 00:14:56,789 --> 00:15:01,259 Satoshis that's a big ask. Now we have something that There's 254 00:15:01,259 --> 00:15:09,359 more chapter chapter bass feeds by what is it? By about 6000 We 255 00:15:09,359 --> 00:15:12,329 have 14,000 value for value feeds, but all different 256 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,359 audiences, it's not a big ask to say you'll get a new app when 257 00:15:15,359 --> 00:15:17,909 you listen to the show or listen to the show on this app, I'm 258 00:15:17,909 --> 00:15:20,999 gonna have to hear something you like or hey, you know, sign up 259 00:15:20,999 --> 00:15:25,319 for that because it supports everything, click on it. And the 260 00:15:25,319 --> 00:15:28,649 attribution is built right into the system because you can hard 261 00:15:28,649 --> 00:15:30,239 code your special link in there. 262 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:35,759 Dave Jones: We'll see that's the only way forward I think long 263 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:38,999 term that's the only way forward for for attribution because you 264 00:15:38,999 --> 00:15:44,009 can't the pic the tracking pixel and all this that keeps 265 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,820 Adam Curry: going away. Yes. And it's not going to work anymore. 266 00:15:47,850 --> 00:15:48,750 It's not going to it's not 267 00:15:48,749 --> 00:15:53,159 Dave Jones: going to work at Apple will flip the switch. They 268 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:56,399 are going to do it and it is going to all this stuff is going 269 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,149 to break Yeah. Yeah, the world is broken. 270 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,630 Adam Curry: Words word so true, my friend. We live in a broken 271 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:07,140 world. 272 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,819 Dave Jones: You know, I've got a I've got a I brought a 273 00:16:11,819 --> 00:16:12,479 PowerPoint. 274 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:16,650 Adam Curry: Up brought up PowerPoint. Oh my god, I just 275 00:16:16,650 --> 00:16:20,760 don't even have the beamer hooked up. Who's got the Beamer? 276 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:23,100 Who who has the remote for the beam? Or do you have a cord? 277 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,680 What kind of cord Do you have? On your head 278 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:26,459 Dave Jones: display port? 279 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:28,650 Adam Curry: We need adapters. 280 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,550 Dave Jones: Somebody can somebody dropped the screen in 281 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:34,770 the travel conference room? I need to I need a projector. 282 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:38,490 Adam Curry: But how many times we've been through that crap. 283 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:41,010 Ah, Dave, you probably still go through it on a on a weekly 284 00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:41,610 basis. 285 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:45,420 Dave Jones: Oh, three times a week at least. Yes. This is this 286 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:50,580 is what gets gets me this. Everything is perfect 287 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:52,950 transition, which is another way of saying the world The world is 288 00:16:52,950 --> 00:16:55,830 broken. Because it so 289 00:16:57,510 --> 00:17:01,380 Adam Curry: indicate next slide. Next slide. 290 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:05,730 Dave Jones: Sounds like what are those? What are those things? 291 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,040 The little little carousel? Yeah, 292 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:09,690 Adam Curry: project. That's what it is. 293 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,200 Dave Jones: And then you know how many of those I sat through? 294 00:17:13,230 --> 00:17:16,680 My grandmother showed me. My uncle Israel, Uncle Stanley. 295 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:18,750 Adam Curry: Uncle Stanley did that in our fab. And then you 296 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:21,360 have Oh, go back and you have that double click, you know, 297 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:24,150 like, yeah, there it is. There's your double click back. 298 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:28,410 Dave Jones: Like, Oh, Grandma, the Jordan, the Jordan River. 299 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:30,240 Yes. I've seen it 100 times. 300 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:33,360 Adam Curry: Invariably, like someone would knock over the the 301 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,300 next carousel and everything would be out of order. And Uncle 302 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:39,540 Stanley would be literally mad. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't touch 303 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:40,530 him with your fingers. 304 00:17:42,780 --> 00:17:48,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. So I want to I want to, I want to 305 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,910 jump off track here and just talk about general the issue 306 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:56,100 edification of of the entire university 307 00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:59,310 Adam Curry: and should have occation of the entire universe, 308 00:17:59,310 --> 00:18:01,260 right? Yes. Yes. 309 00:18:01,739 --> 00:18:06,719 Dave Jones: The cracks are starting to form. Everywhere you 310 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:13,559 look. I mean, it there. It's not just financial. It's it's 311 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:20,159 social. It's political. It's, it's every where you look, there 312 00:18:20,159 --> 00:18:25,409 are, there are, there's you can see the cracks. This this week 313 00:18:25,409 --> 00:18:33,989 was a difficult week. For me, not psychologically, I thought 314 00:18:33,989 --> 00:18:39,389 almost a depression this week. Oh, goodness. Because of, it's 315 00:18:39,389 --> 00:18:43,439 primarily to do with with with a thing that happened at my day 316 00:18:43,439 --> 00:18:47,939 job that I was fighting against, that I obviously can't go into 317 00:18:47,939 --> 00:18:50,939 detail about, but I can but I can give you the broad strokes. 318 00:18:51,449 --> 00:18:56,669 So the we have an enterprise software vendor, I will just 319 00:18:56,669 --> 00:18:59,039 leave it at that. It's a big one. 320 00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,410 Adam Curry: Enough about Microsoft. 321 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:06,539 Dave Jones: And it is not Microsoft know, the in but but 322 00:19:06,539 --> 00:19:10,199 that's the point is it could be any of them that like this 323 00:19:10,199 --> 00:19:14,249 applies to all of them. So we've got this, we got this enterprise 324 00:19:14,249 --> 00:19:18,479 software vendor that we have a lot of client data in. And we 325 00:19:18,479 --> 00:19:25,289 come in Monday into the office and go to login as the add an 326 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:30,929 administrative user for this piece of for this platform. And 327 00:19:30,929 --> 00:19:36,839 user unknown user. That is exactly what it says. This year 328 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:43,409 said user does not exist. And I was like, Excuse me. This is 329 00:19:43,409 --> 00:19:48,119 literally the account that has everything. All the poverty. 330 00:19:48,149 --> 00:19:51,209 This is godmode account. There's only one of them it because you 331 00:19:51,209 --> 00:19:56,519 can only have one of them, right? And so I was like, Yeah, 332 00:19:56,549 --> 00:20:02,579 this problem. So my coworker calls And he's in, he's told, 333 00:20:02,609 --> 00:20:06,839 Oh, that account got disabled by our security and compliance 334 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:10,979 team, because they got flagged for you know, something specific 335 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:17,759 suspicious. And I was in so they said, All everything's met, 336 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:18,329 everything's okay. 337 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,120 Adam Curry: All your data is safe. Yes, 338 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:27,150 Dave Jones: you can say that. Everything's alright. But all 339 00:20:27,150 --> 00:20:33,630 you gotta do we just need you to submit your best submit photo ID 340 00:20:33,630 --> 00:20:34,170 proof. 341 00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:37,200 Adam Curry: What are they Twitter was Twitter, your 342 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,450 vendor? What is the Facebook, 343 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,170 Dave Jones: we need to verify that you did, you're still in 344 00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:47,130 control of this account. Okay, fine, submitted that 345 00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:50,010 information, uploaded it through a link we were given. 346 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,450 Adam Curry: Now yours or your colleagues, Nicole McCauley, 347 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,620 good, good work, 348 00:20:55,950 --> 00:21:01,230 Dave Jones: three, three days, three days and your subordinate, 349 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,690 Adam Curry: I should point out not just your colleague, the guy 350 00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:05,940 who works for you, hey, use your ID 351 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,190 Dave Jones: as a colleague, because I don't want to 352 00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:19,380 three days later, no word, no feed, note no response. So I 353 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:19,740 would now 354 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:22,920 Adam Curry: three hours, three hours, I would be pissed off. 355 00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:25,740 Dave Jones: Now I have to get involved. So we were told two to 356 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:29,550 three days to turn around time. So now I have to get involved, 357 00:21:29,550 --> 00:21:37,200 right? I call I call in. I'm told I'm told a different. Now 358 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,940 I'm told a different thing. I'm told, Oh, well, your security 359 00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:45,330 team disabled this account. And you're gonna have to create a 360 00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:49,320 new admin account. And in order to do that, you're gonna have to 361 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:55,890 submit documentation for district conditio, your 362 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:58,500 representative the company, and he's gonna have to be Shawn 363 00:21:58,530 --> 00:22:00,960 signed by the managing shareholder. Oh, cool. You're 364 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,400 gonna need to submit articles of organization. Shareholders 365 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:13,110 agree? Yes, yes, yes. So went through all that. I'm going to 366 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:15,270 try to not make this story long. Because I'm trying to get to a 367 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:21,570 bigger point, I'm loving it. Went through all that to a day 368 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:26,850 later, get a rejection. Notice that you did not submit your 369 00:22:26,850 --> 00:22:29,100 structure of your organization is 370 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:32,100 Adam Curry: your TPS reports, your TPS reports are not an 371 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:33,870 order is such 372 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:36,720 Dave Jones: that you need that you need signed documentation 373 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,340 from all of the shareholders. 374 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:40,710 Adam Curry: And there's probably 30 partners. 375 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:46,740 Dave Jones: It it's not a small number. And so I spent the 376 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:52,770 entire day getting photo IDs, permission letters, all this 377 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:58,200 stuff, submitted it again on Friday. Got a reject another 378 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,590 rejection over the weekend saying you did not submit any 379 00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:06,720 information. So this, so I'm gonna stop right there. This 380 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,150 eventually the reason that I was late to the show to this is 381 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:15,330 eventually got resolved today. And it started last Monday. We 382 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:23,040 got stuck in a loop where nobody could verify when we get stuck 383 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,880 in an automation loop, a bureaucracy a bureaucratic 384 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,710 automation loop, which is what I mean by the insured ification of 385 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:37,620 everything enterprise software is broken. So let me try to give 386 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:44,640 a this intiative occation is the way I'm talking about it's like 387 00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:49,740 it's the it's the phenomenon of an emerging awareness that the 388 00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:54,900 techniques and rules based processes we've all become, like 389 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:59,910 bound to, they don't actually serve a purpose. They're not 390 00:23:59,910 --> 00:24:04,770 useful, their usefulness. They don't they don't actually serve 391 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:07,860 a purpose purpose for which their usefulness outweighs the 392 00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:11,610 effort used to adhere to them. Does that make sense? 393 00:24:12,030 --> 00:24:14,460 Adam Curry: No, say say at moments had that last bit one 394 00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:15,090 more time. 395 00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:20,279 Dave Jones: So so it's it, there's this emerging awareness 396 00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:26,309 that the the rules and the techniques that we are bound to 397 00:24:26,309 --> 00:24:33,089 in all of these areas of life don't actually serve a purpose 398 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,049 for which their usefulness outweighs the effort we have to 399 00:24:37,049 --> 00:24:41,069 x put out to adhere to them? Oh, no, of 400 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:41,790 Adam Curry: course not. 401 00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:45,990 Dave Jones: So like when when technology is so when technology 402 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:52,050 produces velocity, okay, I'm going to use that term. When 403 00:24:52,050 --> 00:24:56,970 technology produces a sort of like a velocity or, or a 404 00:24:56,970 --> 00:25:01,410 momentum. There's this sense of pride Progress and like 405 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:08,160 economic, physical progress academic. Like even just like a 406 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,470 general excitement over invention, and like new things, 407 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,150 you know, you get to play with new things, you get to 408 00:25:15,150 --> 00:25:20,280 experience new things. GK Chesterton said the Chief 409 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,690 pleasure. Well, what do you say is, the chief said the Chief 410 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:29,100 pleasure is surprise of all the pleasures of humanity, the chief 411 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:35,580 one is surprise. There's that's progress. And technological 412 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:40,530 velocity takes advantage of that experiential thing within 413 00:25:40,530 --> 00:25:48,360 humanity. We, because of that, we ignore the sort of second 414 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,380 order effects, we ignore the things that are happening while 415 00:25:52,680 --> 00:26:01,260 as a result of the technological velocity and in momentum. So 416 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:06,060 we're all just waiting for the next thing to happen. But now, 417 00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:12,780 there's not a next thing. There is no next thing anymore. The 418 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:17,760 like, technology always resolves itself down at the, when edit 419 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,440 edits end. Technology always resolves itself down to 420 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,450 technique. And once the once that technological villa, I'm 421 00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:30,030 using the term technological velocity, because I think some 422 00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:32,610 people say like pace of innovation, and I don't like 423 00:26:32,610 --> 00:26:37,530 that. I don't think that that's really what what I mean, once 424 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:41,910 that technological velocity slows, those second order 425 00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:45,210 effects that we didn't, that we just sort of like were a little 426 00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:48,450 bit aware of that maybe they were covered up by the, by the 427 00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:52,020 excitement and the surprise of the new Yeah, those things 428 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:57,330 become the primary functions. They become not like they're no 429 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:59,880 longer freedom, they're constrained. Oh, 430 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:06,060 Adam Curry: absolutely. Or prof G would say 100%. 431 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:18,480 Dave Jones: Profit, G. Well, yeah. So like, a AI is? Well, 432 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,680 before I do before I before I go to that part, I've got a clip 433 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:29,760 notes from from this, we've been watching the show. I think it's 434 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,350 on what used to be HBO, Max, and Max now, to be watching this 435 00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:37,590 show. It's called for the love of kitchens. Don't laugh at me. 436 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,310 Adam Curry: I love it. I think I think I'm gonna have to watch 437 00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:43,320 the show for the love of kitchens, I like it. 438 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,730 Dave Jones: It's the default is this company called Devall. 439 00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:53,280 They're out of the UK, they make these like $100,000 kitchens. So 440 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,810 we kind of get into this show. But there's this one. They've 441 00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:00,810 got a bunch of craftsmen that that are that work for this 442 00:28:00,810 --> 00:28:04,500 company. And they're on this little Preserve. And it's it's a 443 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:09,180 really nice atmosphere. And there's this one guy that he was 444 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:14,250 in it, and then he became a blacksmith working for this 445 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:20,370 Deval outfit. And he just gives us a little bit of his thoughts 446 00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:20,580 on 447 00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:28,560 Unknown: draw out the point. Then Winston that bend over the 448 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,550 end, because no one likes a sharp hook. So it doesn't damage 449 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:36,960 whatever you put on. I'm using my jig, I'll create the curve of 450 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,840 the hook. All I've got left to do now is get it all warm again. 451 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:52,440 Let it cool event, and then we're waxing. Previously, I've 452 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,360 had 20 plus years in the IT industry. And a few years ago, I 453 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,590 decided that I wanted something outside of it. I come to work 454 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:08,130 and I've got a boys toys, I can create stuff. And it's a freedom 455 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:13,530 that I never thought I'd get. I'm loving this. This is the 456 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,240 rail that Joe will be getting it when you hold something when you 457 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,120 know someone spent time creating it. Bit of love put into it. I 458 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,060 think that comes through to the customer. What's the 459 00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:27,930 Adam Curry: name of this show? 460 00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:33,840 Dave Jones: It's called for the love of kitchens. So here's, you 461 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,050 know, here's a guy, IT guy for 20 years. He finally got out of 462 00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:45,780 the IT game. And I would say the technology game in general or 463 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:50,370 the Information Technology game and got in now. He He's a 464 00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:53,340 craftsman. He's a tradesman, he makes things with his hands. And 465 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:56,610 he's super excited about it and he feels a seat he talks about 466 00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:59,970 the freedom and I think the freedom that he's talking about 467 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,210 Is, is this thing, it's, it's the freedom from these second 468 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:11,820 order effects that build up as we progress technologically. And 469 00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:18,840 that this, this brings me to, to to AI. That's what AI, it hit me 470 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:26,790 this week. AI is that is like the subconscious attempt of the 471 00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:34,050 technological society to solve this paradox. As you increase as 472 00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:39,480 you progress, as you increase technology, you also increase 473 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,140 these constraints, these second order effects, you start to feel 474 00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:48,030 captivated, Eastover start to feel captive to them. You could 475 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:53,130 say like, you know, like, when, when we go to bed at night, we 476 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:56,850 don't we don't, we don't feel as happy as we did in like, 1990. 477 00:30:57,870 --> 00:31:02,340 And it's not because, you know, it's not because of it is 478 00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,030 because of a lot of these things, is because we now have 479 00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:11,370 we have, we've technically progressed. But we are because 480 00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:14,880 of that we have all these technical constraints on us now 481 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,930 that we have to adhere to, it's not enough to just, you know, 482 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:24,300 turn on the washing machine. Now we have, it's also connected to 483 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,150 an app on a window over Wi Fi on our phone. 484 00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:32,100 Adam Curry: Hello, oh, it's Professor Ted from the grave for 485 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,510 you, Ted Kaczynski, 486 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,480 Dave Jones: consults, still a consultant. So the technical, 487 00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:44,040 the technological velocity has slowed. We're unhappy with the 488 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:50,250 constraints that it left us with. And then comes AI. And AI 489 00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:56,160 is the promises to ease the burden of of those constraints. 490 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,400 So AI is gonna take you so you take this situation that I was 491 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,770 in this week, you know, and now we're AI has to emerge in order 492 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:10,860 to be, quote, more intelligent, about, about security, about 493 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:14,340 about analyzing the security data to make sure that things 494 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:19,620 that happen, like happened to me won't happen again. Or to use a 495 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:23,460 personal example, from podcasting. And this, this kind 496 00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:26,190 of ultimately comes around, I'm gonna I'm gonna ding ourselves 497 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:29,370 for this, which is not our fault, but it's just to how it 498 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,900 goes. With all the new features within podcasting, 2.0 in 499 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:39,150 podcast namespace. Buzzsprout now has to create AI in order to 500 00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:45,870 make chapters and things like this easier. Because now in 501 00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:49,950 order to produce a podcast, you're there's more stuff to do. 502 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:57,330 And so this AI is like, AI is this empty promise because it 503 00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:01,410 can't work. It's not going to function the way that it can't. 504 00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:05,430 So it's a it's claiming to solve a problem that it can't solve, 505 00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:10,530 right? And it all goes back to this this. We were promised 506 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:14,850 flying cars, and we got 140 characters that concept. It's 507 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:18,900 worse than that. Because 140 characters brought with it. 508 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:26,100 Social media, apps, PR, SEO, mobile device management, 509 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,710 security vulnerabilities, tech support, censorship, on and on 510 00:33:31,710 --> 00:33:32,970 and on, if you're really 511 00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:34,320 Adam Curry: bumming me out, dude. 512 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,390 Dave Jones: What I'm saying is, AI is not the beginning of 513 00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:41,610 anything. It's the end. 514 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,190 Adam Curry: It's actually the end of memory, the way I see it, 515 00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:46,680 that we become so lazy, 516 00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:49,230 Dave Jones: is the end of innovation is not the beginning 517 00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:53,070 of any new phase of innovation. It's the end it's not in the AI 518 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:58,410 is not innovation. It's supplication. Whoo. snapback, 519 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:04,290 like it is begging you not to give up and exit the system. 520 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,920 Adam Curry: Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know, it's interesting 521 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:16,260 that when I was 6015, maybe even 14, I lived in a small village 522 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:21,360 south of Amsterdam, and I did two summers. The thing was two 523 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,020 summers of Saturday work, and sometimes Thursday or Friday 524 00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:32,220 work at a blacksmith oh really actually learned how to shoe a 525 00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:36,210 horse. And by the way, that smell when you when you put that 526 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:40,380 horseshoe onto the horse's hoof you'll never forget that smell. 527 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:44,310 But it was it was one of the gritten the Smith core core the 528 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:49,860 Smith God he was Dutch guy Of course. He was really like, you 529 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:54,870 know, tall lanky, strong dude and just watching him bang those 530 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:59,220 those cars you get the standard, poor shoe from from the horse 531 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:03,150 shoe factory. You got to make it fit for the horse. It was, it 532 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,820 was one of the most exciting times in my life. And I 533 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:09,270 remembered so I can still I can still smell that burning hoof. 534 00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:17,610 It was, it was very fulfilling, versus the electronics store 535 00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:21,840 where I work later, where I sold resistors and transistors and 536 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,000 capacitors and solder and stuff like that. Although the smell of 537 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,470 solder not bad either, not a bad smell of solder even that, do 538 00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:33,390 kids even know how to solder anymore. 539 00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:40,770 Dave Jones: Know. The easy problems are all in technology, 540 00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:43,560 the easy problems are all solved. They were all solved a 541 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,160 long time ago. You know that? That's that's the thing. Now, 542 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:52,050 this bothers me about noster because they seem to have this 543 00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:58,050 idea, that prob that, that there's some easy solution to 544 00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:03,510 things that are inherently impossibly difficult, like 545 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:09,660 decentralization, and that they're kidding themselves. The 546 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:13,050 easy stuff already has answered it was already answered long 547 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,620 ago. 548 00:36:13,709 --> 00:36:16,559 Adam Curry: That's interesting. You say that because I follow 549 00:36:17,129 --> 00:36:22,379 the damos developer through through the noster to activity 550 00:36:22,379 --> 00:36:27,089 pub bridge. So I follow him on podcast index dot social. And I 551 00:36:27,089 --> 00:36:31,589 see him making stuff that is so centralized. It's not even 552 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:34,469 decentralized. It's all centralized. So I mean, it's 553 00:36:34,469 --> 00:36:38,069 just yeah. And you can see people replying, hey, you know, 554 00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:41,429 turn off the damos relay. Yeah, no nostril will collapse. 555 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,990 Dave Jones: It's moving. It's more. Yeah. And the things that 556 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:50,070 I see them saying are more like, we're about to make 557 00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:56,100 decentralized shopping the thing you can't stop us figured out 558 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:59,850 something brand new that nobody's ever seen before. Okay, 559 00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:05,430 so there's again, another clip, there's, it reminded me of John 560 00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:09,780 Carmax interview on the LEX Friedman show. And he made this 561 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:13,500 statement, and it has stuck like a thorn in my brain ever since. 562 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:17,430 And it has bothered me. And I think it was the impetus for all 563 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:20,700 of the thinking that I have had to do about this topic. This 564 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,180 week. It's he's talking about artificial into artificial 565 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:29,040 intelligence, specifically AGI or you know, general 566 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:36,870 intelligence. And he's acting as if there are easy answers to 567 00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:39,510 this, that we just have to wait around for 568 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:42,240 Unknown: the artificial general intelligence side of things. 569 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:50,040 I'm, it seems to me like this is the highest leverage moment for 570 00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:53,100 potentially a single individual, potentially, in the history of 571 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,750 the world, where the things that we know about the brain about 572 00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:01,710 what we can do with artificial intelligence. Nobody can say 573 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:06,030 absolutely on any of these things. But I am not a madman, 574 00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:10,170 for saying that it is likely that the code for artificial 575 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,880 general intelligence is going to be 10s of 1000s of lines of 576 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,300 code, not millions of lines of code. This is code that 577 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:22,320 conceivably one individual could write, unlike writing a new web 578 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,600 browser operating system. And based on the progress that AI 579 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,010 has machine learning has made in the recent decade, it's likely 580 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:35,280 that the important things that we don't know, are relatively 581 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,540 simple, there's probably a handful of things. And my bet is 582 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:44,610 that I think there's less than six key insights that need to be 583 00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:47,220 made, each one of them can probably be written on the back 584 00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:50,280 of an envelope. We don't know what they are. But when they're 585 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,600 put together, in concert with GPUs at scale, and the data that 586 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,650 we all have access to, that we can make something that behaves 587 00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:02,850 like a human being or like a living creature, and that can 588 00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:06,330 then be educated in whatever ways that we need to get to the 589 00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:10,140 point where we can have universal remote workers where 590 00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:13,440 anything that somebody does mediated by a computer and 591 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,010 doesn't require physical interaction. And that an AGI 592 00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:20,130 will be able to do we can already simulate the, you know, 593 00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:24,030 the equivalent of the zoom, the Zoom meetings with avatars, and 594 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:27,360 if synthetic deep fakes and whatnot, we can definitely do 595 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,500 that. We have superhuman capabilities on any narrow thing 596 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,440 that we can, that we could formalize and make a loss 597 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,040 function for. But there's things we don't know how to do now. But 598 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920 I don't think they are unapproachable or hard. Now, 599 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,180 that's incredibly hubristic to say that it's like, but I think 600 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:48,600 that what I said a couple years ago is a 50% chance that 601 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,460 somewhere, there will be signs of life of AGI in 2030. And I've 602 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:57,750 probably increased that slightly. I may be at 55 60%. 603 00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:01,110 Now because I do think there's a little sense of acceleration 604 00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:01,560 there. 605 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,490 Dave Jones: He's kidding himself. But he's completely 606 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:11,100 delusional. There's let me give him the let me just give one 607 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,660 cynical example. 608 00:40:12,659 --> 00:40:15,179 Adam Curry: Can I give you my theory about all of this before 609 00:40:15,179 --> 00:40:18,629 you give us your example? Yeah, sure. My theory is ultimately 610 00:40:18,629 --> 00:40:21,749 everybody wants a robot for porn. That's all that it is. 611 00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:25,289 That's all that we're every sees like, I want a robot for porn. 612 00:40:25,499 --> 00:40:29,219 That's, that's what it is. I don't see. And then as men and 613 00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:32,969 women alike, we don't really want anything else. 614 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,250 Dave Jones: This it all comes? Well, it all comes back to it 615 00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,830 all comes back to the AI question. de ar question being 616 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:46,080 the the ai ai being the end, not the beginning. It's yeah, I 617 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,480 mean, that fits with what your title is, like. So I guess, I 618 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,010 don't know how long ago this was, maybe. Oh, gosh, it's got 619 00:40:56,010 --> 00:41:00,120 to be 15 years ago, at least. Now, it's more than that. So I 620 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,090 was really involved with this assembly, Windows assembly 621 00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:08,460 language community called MASM, MASM, 32. So we, it was the 622 00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:14,010 first open source software community I was a part of. And 623 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,860 there was a great developer, he's still around somewhere 624 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:22,860 called his handle was mad wizard. And he was just top 625 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:27,270 notch. And he wrote all kinds of killer assembly software for 626 00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:33,330 Windows. He went on to develop some USB drivers for like custom 627 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,580 where you can do custom modules and that kind of thing, which 628 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,870 was cool. But he wrote this thing one time, it was a very 629 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:43,140 simple tool that would just enumerate all of the network 630 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:45,900 interface cards, and your Windows machine can give you 631 00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,930 information by giving the MAC address give me remember, this 632 00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:51,840 is 2002 Or three. 633 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:56,790 Adam Curry: Right now. We have defconfig dash a 634 00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:03,960 Dave Jones: with Windows XP air. And so he writes this tool in 635 00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:08,340 and I'm looking through the source and it doesn't work, 636 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:11,940 right. There's this one class of network interface cards, that it 637 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,750 can't find it was like a ton adapter or something like that. 638 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:22,080 So no matter what you did, you wouldn't show it. So I'm looking 639 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,580 through there and I found a found some obscure documentation 640 00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:32,970 on Microsoft's win 32 API. This showed that this specific type 641 00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:37,650 of network interface card, you had a constant in the windows 642 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:42,120 3132 API that he was not accounting for. So what he had 643 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,200 done is he admit he had made this little he had made this, 644 00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:51,540 this little macro, a simple language macro, that was 645 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:57,540 constructing the constants that he was going to use for lookups, 646 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,080 building a lookup table, essentially, in memory. based on 647 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,160 a formula, it was like, adding 100 at each time or something to 648 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,750 this bitmask. So he was building this thing in memory with this 649 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:13,350 macro when he first launched. And the interesting thing is, 650 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:17,880 all of the constants were just easily he could just do this, go 651 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,000 right through, right, they all fit the same mathematical 652 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:28,980 algorithm. This one constant did not. So in order to support this 653 00:43:28,980 --> 00:43:32,670 type of network interface card within the win 32 API, he had to 654 00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:38,820 get rid of this elegant, three line macro, and build in just a 655 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:46,110 static table of constants. Now, he has just had to make his code 656 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:51,900 ugly and less modular to support this other thing. And this, this 657 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:57,900 is what I'm talking about. We we can't stop this process from 658 00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:03,930 happening. There's no way in which like, like John Carmack 659 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:08,310 has said, he's deluding himself. There, there is no easy answers 660 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:13,500 anymore. You can't you he is still operating under this idea. 661 00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:19,830 That there's this, that it's possible to have elegant, easy, 662 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,440 simple solutions to difficult problems. And that is, that is 663 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,390 not accurate, either. 664 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:31,710 Adam Curry: I'm gonna say I would actually posit, based on 665 00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:34,170 what you're saying, in my own thinking, my own independent 666 00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:39,360 thinking is AI. First of all, it's a buzzword, it's the new 667 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,100 blockchain, whatever, it's only going to create more employment 668 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:49,230 opportunities, not less, more. There'll be many more people 669 00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:53,340 necessary to support this stuff for the reason you just laid 670 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:53,730 out. 671 00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:01,050 Dave Jones: But you see I'm more pessimistic. 672 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:05,640 Adam Curry: Okay, could you get even more mummery on me? 673 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:09,330 Dave Jones: I'm more pessimist in this because so much stuff 674 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,520 happened this week that's just sort of like all played in 675 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:18,120 together. Mark Marco Hill Linna at Linode in a Marco posted 676 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:24,810 publicly that Linode is now that their own Bochum I just for just 677 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,050 randomly told him that they're going to down his server for a 678 00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:31,320 migration. Like in the middle of the day for eight he's gonna 679 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,910 have eight hours of downtime Marco 680 00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:35,940 Adam Curry: from overcast Marco overcast. Oh, so they just sent 681 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,820 him a note will ping or mass email like, hey, screw your 682 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:39,510 business? 683 00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:46,470 Dave Jones: Pretty much. Yeah, exactly. And And guess what? The 684 00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:51,600 way I see this resolving is is the Exodus, people are going to 685 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,040 start just on a technological level, people are going to start 686 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,730 checking it out. I've already seen it happening. I've already 687 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:02,700 seen people that are getting they're detaching from social 688 00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,750 media. They're tired of it. They can't, they're there. They're 689 00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:08,760 not able to process it. 690 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:13,110 Adam Curry: I agree. I see this everywhere we have we have long 691 00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:16,560 reach peak social media, particularly with the advent of 692 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,250 threads. You have all these choices. What am I on what's 693 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:24,930 authoritative? Twitter has become, you know, Tina took a 694 00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:29,460 one month sabbatical from, from all social media, which I 695 00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:31,980 thought was it was pretty good. She it was interesting to see 696 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,840 what she was doing instead. And, and now she's back on Twitter. 697 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,990 And in that one month, he says, Well, I don't have a blue check. 698 00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:43,080 I don't really want to spend any money on this. And you know, 699 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,360 now, half the people I see their subscription only. I can't 700 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,290 scroll further back in someone's timeline, because you need to be 701 00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:57,180 blue check for that. And and she and she just wasn't like, a 702 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,970 couple of weeks ago. I'm bored. I'm bored. It's stupid. All I 703 00:46:59,970 --> 00:47:04,440 see is some outrage. I'm not even interested anymore. It's I 704 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,230 think it's peaks. And she's my canary. Yeah, but I'm seeing 705 00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:10,770 more of it. I'm seeing more people just checking out. And 706 00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,370 well, I have my own reasons to think that there people are 707 00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:17,730 turning to other things, many other things outside of 708 00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:19,050 technology together. 709 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,950 Dave Jones: And I think we need to preserve podcasting. This 710 00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,710 brings it all back to podcast. Yes, thanks. I think we need to 711 00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:26,610 preserve 712 00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:28,740 Adam Curry: one hour and we're back to podcast. 713 00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:37,770 Dave Jones: Because here's a permit me to permit me to read 714 00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:38,670 this passage. 715 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,700 Adam Curry: This is a point of personal privilege permission 716 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:42,750 granted, of course. 717 00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:46,890 Dave Jones: This is from the technological society by Jacques 718 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:51,480 Ellul. This explains Another characteristic of the books 719 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,690 written after the century of humanism, their lack of 720 00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:59,610 convenience, we find few tables of contents, no references, no 721 00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:03,210 division intersections, no indices, no chronology, 722 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,830 sometimes not even page nation. The apparatus standard for 723 00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:11,070 scientific works today is not found even rudimentary in the 724 00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:14,190 most perfect works of the period. And its absence is 725 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:18,930 characteristics of the absence of intellectual technique. The 726 00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:21,900 books of the time were not written to be used along with 727 00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,920 hundreds of others, to locate a piece of information accurately 728 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,150 and quickly, or to validate or invalidate an experiment or to 729 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:34,560 furnish a formula. They were not written to be consulted. They 730 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,040 were written to be read patiently in their entirety, 731 00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:41,640 amen To be meditated upon. Again, this goes back to the 732 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,780 ideal of universality. The presentation of a book, as an 733 00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:50,100 author's entire self, is a personal expression of his very 734 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:54,300 being supposes that the reader sought in it not the solution of 735 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,140 a given difficulty, or the answer to a given problem, but 736 00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:02,370 rather to make personal contact with the author. It was more a 737 00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:06,030 question of personal exchange than if taking an objective 738 00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:06,660 position. 739 00:49:06,689 --> 00:49:09,839 Adam Curry: Wow, totally applicable to podcasting. 740 00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:12,180 Dave Jones: That's what podcasting is. That's what's an 741 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:12,690 island. 742 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,330 Adam Curry: This is what we discussed on the previous show. 743 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:18,450 And by the way, got a lot of beautiful emails and notes from 744 00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:23,520 people saying, yes, yes, this is what I got into podcasting for 745 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,360 there's one guy who does a half hour podcast a week with his son 746 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,170 whose house it was across the country at college. And he says, 747 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,870 he's connected me to massage. I don't care if there's three if 748 00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:37,620 there's no one listening. It's connecting us and people are 749 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,860 able to listen in and then it inspires them to connect with 750 00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:47,250 their children. The connection between audience and I'll say, 751 00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:50,940 content creator, but that's not even really applicable. Even 752 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:55,830 died by itself is as always been a word. A noun that bothers me. 753 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,420 That connection has been so lost in the podcast and Industrial 754 00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:04,350 Complex of CPMs and pixels and, and all that stuff. It's 755 00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:08,490 completely gone away from what it originally was voices. 756 00:50:10,139 --> 00:50:12,119 Dave Jones: Yeah, just That's why That's why that interview 757 00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:16,409 made me sad is because I was like, No, this is this is all 758 00:50:16,409 --> 00:50:19,439 taken this is all technology being applied to a medium. 759 00:50:19,439 --> 00:50:25,679 That's what this medium is where books were in the, in the 16th 760 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:31,439 century. We need to get it needs to stay there. Because otherwise 761 00:50:31,439 --> 00:50:35,159 we create a technological framework around podcasting, 762 00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:40,559 that's going to kill it. Think he told that tracking pixels and 763 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,039 all this that mean like this is that this is is ultimately going 764 00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:49,259 to fail for reasons beyond their control? It It damages the 765 00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:50,969 medium in the process? 766 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,590 Adam Curry: Yes. Now, I am not so bearish on chapters, I think 767 00:50:58,620 --> 00:51:05,160 chapters, you know, there's a very valid connective reason for 768 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,740 them. Outside of, oh, I'm bored, I want to skip ahead. And I've 769 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:14,700 always been looking for that I personally like the different 770 00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:18,660 art pieces of art, which is what Dred Scott does for us as much 771 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:25,050 as humanly can. Which, which gives me joy. You know, I don't 772 00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:29,160 look at the chapters to skip ahead. Wow, this is boring. 773 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160 Where's my next thing? No, I looked at the chapters, in fact, 774 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,400 that we said didn't help you skip ahead. I looked at the 775 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,820 chapters just for the joy of the art or, you know, or something 776 00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:42,960 else that has been added to it. That's how I've always you know, 777 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,780 that's how I've always viewed them way, way different from, 778 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:51,540 from anything. That is, uh, yeah, I'm just different. Yeah. 779 00:51:51,869 --> 00:51:54,389 Dave Jones: I love chapters. And I think this is a couple of 780 00:51:54,389 --> 00:51:58,259 things there. I think things like that. There's a, they have 781 00:51:58,259 --> 00:52:03,509 to exist. Like, there's, you see a thing and this, this is 782 00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:07,349 another aspect of this is this. It becomes self fulfilling. So 783 00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:11,009 like the chapters as a technology is it there's a sense 784 00:52:11,009 --> 00:52:15,149 in which it must exist? So we have to create it? I mean, we 785 00:52:15,149 --> 00:52:18,059 didn't create it. I'm just saying like, there, we have to 786 00:52:18,059 --> 00:52:20,819 take it to its fullest extent. And I'm totally cool with that. 787 00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:25,889 And I love that. And I love chapters, which I think we have 788 00:52:25,889 --> 00:52:31,859 to be, I'm trying to be honest, and saying that those criticisms 789 00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:35,249 that apply to technology and technological velocity in 790 00:52:35,249 --> 00:52:39,779 general. Also apply. We don't get a free pan. Oh, we don't 791 00:52:39,809 --> 00:52:42,659 know we don't because I see occasionally I'll have an 792 00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:45,779 episode that has chapters in it. And the chapters are all messed 793 00:52:45,779 --> 00:52:49,919 up. And I get frustrated. And I'm like, Oh, these aren't, 794 00:52:49,949 --> 00:52:51,689 these aren't. The timestamps are right, 795 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,130 Adam Curry: you should try it, you should try working with a 796 00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:53,820 split kit. 797 00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:57,840 Dave Jones: I actually did, I started messing around with 798 00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,770 sovereign feeds this week. 799 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,310 Adam Curry: Sovereign feeds. So this is a good point, because 800 00:53:02,310 --> 00:53:08,040 I'm so reliant upon Steven B's work. And, you know, because he 801 00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:10,650 changes stuff, you know, he's always upgrading doing things, 802 00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:14,340 and he does it pretty much in production. And you know, of the 803 00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:18,720 100 times I use it, you know, there's one time but not it's 804 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,900 not even to watch one time that it just breaks or something 805 00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:23,970 happens. And you know what, I'm able to get a hold of him. And 806 00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:27,180 then we've never had a very disastrous thing. But at that 807 00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:31,260 moment, my heart sinks everything like Oh, no. And 808 00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,880 like, even on the last, the previous because I was still 809 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,780 getting used to split kit. And it was quite the transition from 810 00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:44,400 having my head how everything works with value time splits, 811 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,310 and in sovereign feeds, and then I was taking I was putting the 812 00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:51,000 split kit, and my just couldn't quite wrap my head around how it 813 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,500 was working with live versus what you then import for the, 814 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,830 for the show. And while I was producing last week's episode, 815 00:53:58,830 --> 00:54:01,590 after we're done, you know, I put the new intro on and I'm 816 00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:03,570 going I'm getting I'm trying to queue everything up, and I'm 817 00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:06,930 just, I'm like, oh my god, I'm not going to get this done. I'm 818 00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:11,040 not I don't understand it. And I had to, you know, just stop for 819 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,310 a second like, okay, you know, because I have to line up the 820 00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:18,960 the in Split kid have to put the right time code in this is all 821 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,500 this complexity that came in, which is actually not that 822 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:27,720 complex. I just couldn't wrap my head around it. And it gave me a 823 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,020 sinking feeling like I can't publish the show until I figured 824 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:31,830 this out. 825 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,030 Dave Jones: It's, we call it I think we call it scissors as a 826 00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:40,200 defense as a emotional defense mechanism. Because because we're 827 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,130 kind of scared of his of the of all this stuff to it like, and 828 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,330 it's that it's that paradox within all of us. If you've been 829 00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:52,470 in it long enough. You sent me that clip of Leo this week and I 830 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:57,510 felt this was sort of sort of tangential to that it was sort 831 00:54:57,510 --> 00:55:00,630 of part of the same thing. If you've been in In the 832 00:55:00,630 --> 00:55:04,710 information technology world in any capacity for long enough, 833 00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:11,040 you eventually get, you eventually have reached this 834 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,410 paradox, where there's something in you that loves the technology 835 00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:20,040 and loves the problem solving of it, and then the innovation and 836 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,690 the creation of the thing. But you're also so pessimistic and 837 00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:29,580 so aggravated at it all. You're like, it's like these two things 838 00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:32,460 that just feel like it like inextricably linked you hate it 839 00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:35,430 and love it at exactly the same time. And it feels like you've 840 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:36,600 ripped your brain apart. 841 00:55:36,659 --> 00:55:39,659 Adam Curry: I hear you, I hear you. Well, there is something. 842 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,709 So I'm extremely optimistic. And I know you're not pessimistic. 843 00:55:43,709 --> 00:55:47,369 But when it comes to podcasting, and I've been dreaming about 844 00:55:47,369 --> 00:55:50,459 this, not just like, for 19 years, hoping we could make this 845 00:55:50,459 --> 00:55:54,749 happen somehow, but I'm actually having dreams about the new 846 00:55:55,289 --> 00:55:59,489 category of podcasts that are going to come on the scene. That 847 00:55:59,489 --> 00:56:04,709 is podcast with music and music is so powerful. And there is so 848 00:56:04,709 --> 00:56:08,909 much creativity being put into music not in the mainstream. 849 00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:12,179 Because the mainstream is very formulaic for a whole bunch of 850 00:56:12,179 --> 00:56:16,799 reasons. It's it's truly one of those systems and is broken, it 851 00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:20,519 doesn't work it does doesn't even work for for your typical 852 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:22,949 mainstream artists. They're not making money on music, they're 853 00:56:22,949 --> 00:56:27,269 not getting value returned. Me, it's just a rat race you've got 854 00:56:27,269 --> 00:56:29,819 to be in you've got to turn around in that tub. Otherwise, 855 00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:33,599 you can't even do anything. It is it's like a turd in his pot. 856 00:56:33,629 --> 00:56:37,019 Well, that was a that was a translation of a Dutch ism. The 857 00:56:37,019 --> 00:56:41,909 Dutch ism is unrolling and pisspot which means it's just 858 00:56:41,909 --> 00:56:44,399 swirling around like a turd into pisspot. I know. 859 00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,030 Dave Jones: Love that the Dutch word sound is just is just the 860 00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:48,690 word Pittsburgh, 861 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,509 Adam Curry: Pittsburgh. So next week, you're on vacation yet 862 00:56:54,509 --> 00:56:58,139 you're taking the day off deal. And so that means there will be 863 00:56:58,139 --> 00:57:04,109 no board meeting however, that will be the launch of boosting 864 00:57:04,109 --> 00:57:07,769 Rambo booster Graham ball will I'm gonna launch it in this time 865 00:57:07,769 --> 00:57:12,119 slot. Nice and I'm gonna do it live and do it live and we'll do 866 00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:12,749 it live. 867 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,810 Dave Jones: Where are you? Are you gonna do a feed drop? A feed 868 00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:16,200 drop? 869 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,730 Adam Curry: What's a feed drop? 870 00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:19,950 Dave Jones: Where you put your episode and somebody else's 871 00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:24,570 feed? No, no, no, no, the booster ball this Instagram ball 872 00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:25,440 in the podcast and 873 00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:29,700 Adam Curry: I hadn't even thought of that idea feels icky 874 00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:34,530 doesn't feel right I would prefer that mean I'm I have 875 00:57:34,530 --> 00:57:37,320 boosted grand ball.com I haven't haven't launched the website yet 876 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:43,920 I got work to do. Which which by itself will be interesting. But 877 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,930 I have in my head I know what I'm going to do. And which means 878 00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:51,870 I'm going to freewheel it because that's kind of the whole 879 00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:57,120 point. What I want to get back to is that I'm playing music or 880 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,230 playing music at that moment because of how I feel. I want to 881 00:58:01,230 --> 00:58:05,250 have the interaction of the chat room. So I will always record 882 00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:07,920 this before a live studio audience even though most people 883 00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:12,570 probably not going to release until Saturday. I felt like 884 00:58:12,570 --> 00:58:15,780 Saturday would be an interesting day to release the music show 885 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,290 Dave Jones: because you're going to do it live on Friday at noon 886 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,180 and then you're going to do you're going to actually put it 887 00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:22,350 in the feed on Saturday. 888 00:58:22,469 --> 00:58:25,889 Adam Curry: Yeah, well the feed drop will be the release of 889 00:58:25,889 --> 00:58:28,319 every episode My plan is currently is to have it on 890 00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:31,349 Saturday so if I record the show on Wednesday night or what I 891 00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:35,729 mean whatever it is that's what that's what I'm going for. We'll 892 00:58:35,729 --> 00:58:38,579 have to kind of see live experience Yeah, the live 893 00:58:38,579 --> 00:58:43,109 experience will will not that will be kind of like like a like 894 00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:45,869 a rave you know, it's like oh the live experience is 895 00:58:45,869 --> 00:58:49,499 happening. You get you get the flyer you get the flyer oh it's 896 00:58:49,499 --> 00:58:53,909 happening okay. Yeah, but it won't be a set time is you have 897 00:58:53,909 --> 00:58:59,129 to hear about it through whatever channels and I got even 898 00:58:59,129 --> 00:59:04,829 more enthusiastic when Sam from wave Lake sent us this note you 899 00:59:04,829 --> 00:59:08,819 got to note too I did is great Yep. And he said young kid 900 00:59:08,819 --> 00:59:11,339 trying to make it in music came to Bitcoin park with their 901 00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:14,969 parents last week I saw the wavelength demo decided to take 902 00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:18,209 a chance on value for value love to see it thought you might so 903 00:59:18,209 --> 00:59:22,739 to the outside world is starting to see what's going on here. And 904 00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:27,269 I thought wow, how cool is that? I mean this this is there's two 905 00:59:27,269 --> 00:59:31,019 tracks one which is very sweet. You know, she's young, but a 906 00:59:31,019 --> 00:59:35,069 very sweet kind of girly, you know, slow track and the other 907 00:59:35,069 --> 00:59:37,859 one is a very kind of poppy track. So of course it being 908 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:41,279 Friday podcast and to point out I want to play the play the 909 00:59:41,279 --> 00:59:45,869 poppy track, obviously. But I have other things TJ sir TJ the 910 00:59:45,869 --> 00:59:50,249 wrathful who's been making all these cool mixes for no agenda 911 00:59:50,249 --> 00:59:54,509 and carrying the keeper and he released his music, which is the 912 00:59:54,509 --> 00:59:58,619 dorsals that's I'm going to play that on the on next week show on 913 00:59:58,619 --> 01:00:00,419 the on the first Bookstagram Ball. 914 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,279 Dave Jones: I mean, this isn't her day. 915 01:00:02,310 --> 01:00:04,260 Adam Curry: Oh is good is good. I don't want to play that on 916 01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:08,940 today's show. I want to play this this young woman who just 917 01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:11,400 said you know, hey, I'm gonna give it a shot and the reason 918 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,450 why is a because I liked the song B and I and there's not a 919 01:00:15,450 --> 01:00:19,950 lot of music I really don't like I mean I have an eclectic tastes 920 01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:22,950 but I'm open to everything and it turns out that most people 921 01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:25,860 are no don't say oh, it's horrible I would turn it up 922 01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:31,200 there's not there's not much of that it's not a lot and but I 923 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,430 also want her to have a good experience because literally 924 01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:39,060 what Sam is saying she decided to take a chance on value for 925 01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:45,420 value. So why don't we show her that her chance pays off love it 926 01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:48,480 her taking a chance so if you're listening live me you know 927 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,400 you've got to use curio caster I know that works for sure in the 928 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,050 live experience. Otherwise we now have we've got fountain 929 01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:03,540 we've got pod verse we've got pod friend we've got curio 930 01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:09,060 caster you can do it directly from the from split kit in fact 931 01:01:10,110 --> 01:01:12,660 after the fact go back and listen to it and boost her 932 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:16,140 because I really want her to have a good experience and to 933 01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:19,680 give you guys something special I'm and I'm hoping that this 934 01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:23,730 this podcast booster Graham ball will be like almost like every 935 01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:26,850 other project I do where people start to send in their own gene 936 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:30,780 goals their own sound imaging their own cool stuff so that we 937 01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:34,050 are making this together I did put something together myself 938 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,660 had a little bit of fun in the studio oh really kind of like 939 01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:41,280 kind of like a show opener you know just threw some stuff 940 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,810 together and home I'll I'll turn on her block right now so 941 01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:49,170 everyone can get ready for for the block and we'll take this 942 01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:52,500 little break while we play this song with my opener started off 943 01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:01,199 boosting is love 944 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,960 that's how I want to start a show so she dropped by the 945 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,920 Bitcoin Park took a chance on value for value let's let her 946 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,140 see what a good choice that was 947 01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:32,130 Unknown: on a mind 948 01:02:46,139 --> 01:02:46,739 Good 949 01:03:01,890 --> 01:03:17,400 day to the corner of the room that you want us to have all 950 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:24,930 given back to cry like a little Boy. 951 01:04:58,139 --> 01:05:03,179 Adam Curry: Ainsley Costello, the chair On top podcasting 2.0 952 01:05:04,139 --> 01:05:06,719 Dave Jones: What a song man that's a rad song. I love it. 953 01:05:06,749 --> 01:05:08,489 Adam Curry: It's like a little Taytay you know a little more 954 01:05:08,489 --> 01:05:11,939 rockin than Taylor Swift. Yeah, I like that's a great 955 01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:15,390 Dave Jones: tune man. Yeah, it's cool. It says she local to 956 01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:15,870 Nashville. 957 01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,960 Adam Curry: I think so. I don't know. i This is the one thing 958 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,350 I'd love from wavelength because I'd love a little more info on 959 01:05:22,350 --> 01:05:24,510 each artist. You're linked to her, but maybe there is I 960 01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:27,510 haven't just really looked for it. But I'll need more info for 961 01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:30,000 and it's like I know what's going to happen. People are 962 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,760 gonna be sending me music from all over the world. I know how 963 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,400 this goes. Um, so what do you think my opener by the way? 964 01:05:35,699 --> 01:05:40,649 Dave Jones: Oh, this kid's great. Really good. Yeah. You 965 01:05:40,649 --> 01:05:43,079 did all that yourself. Like you put it all together? Oh, yeah, 966 01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:46,019 we did you have to record anything new or just use old 967 01:05:46,019 --> 01:05:46,979 clips? Yeah, no, I 968 01:05:46,979 --> 01:05:49,919 Adam Curry: did the in there. You hear a boost to grandpa. 969 01:05:50,879 --> 01:05:53,759 Grandpa did that. Literally like that? 970 01:05:54,449 --> 01:05:59,759 Dave Jones: Night? Like that tune has a real Paramore early. 971 01:05:59,759 --> 01:06:01,079 Paramore. Oh, 972 01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:04,170 Adam Curry: S Yes. Oh, yeah. Where they thought about 973 01:06:05,730 --> 01:06:08,580 Dave Jones: before they suck. You did a great job on opener 974 01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:09,090 that's gonna keep 975 01:06:09,090 --> 01:06:11,490 Adam Curry: now this one. So I have all kinds of things 976 01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:13,560 already, like tracks and SATs, you know, all kinds of cool 977 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,850 stuff I can say. Now, I didn't mention this on the last show. 978 01:06:18,210 --> 01:06:22,560 But I have decided and this will make it even more fun. It'd be 979 01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:25,860 this in a way plays into what you were saying. But I really 980 01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:30,060 want to try this. I want to release this on IPFS podcasting. 981 01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:34,470 Dave Jones: Okay, I'm trying to put by the way, I'm working in 982 01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:39,930 the background to try to put together some guests that we can 983 01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:44,790 talk about IPFS podcasting. And so we can have like a roundtable 984 01:06:44,790 --> 01:06:49,980 on it, you know, and I've got the own the weak link. No 985 01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:52,500 offense, Cameron, but the weak link is Cameron because he lives 986 01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:56,280 in the middle of like, the middle of the woods. Oh, yeah. 987 01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:57,870 He lives in the forest. 988 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,230 Adam Curry: Thoughts. So he lives 989 01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:05,490 Dave Jones: in a lane to in the middle of the forest shanty? And 990 01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:07,470 he's just he just told me when I contact him, he's like, he's 991 01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:10,830 like, Dude, my internet's so bad. I'm not sure he's like, 992 01:07:10,830 --> 01:07:13,380 Well, you know, I gigabit internet, Ethernet soon, but 993 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:15,300 Adam Curry: I can bring him in on the phone. I can do a phone 994 01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:15,750 link. 995 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,970 Dave Jones: Oh, you can? Because you get 996 01:07:19,170 --> 01:07:21,030 Adam Curry: on the road. Yeah, I can just bring him in on the 997 01:07:21,030 --> 01:07:25,200 phone. Like, no problem. That'll work. Okay, let's do it. I mean, 998 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,720 I could probably even filter to make it sound pretty reasonable 999 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:33,270 if he's on these on, like a modern phone. But a flip phone 1000 01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:36,000 will work. I don't care. Well, whatever it is. Yeah, sure, 1001 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,430 we'll do that. So IPFS 444, pod IPFS podcasting. IPFS 1002 01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:48,540 podcasting.net. In essence, all I do is I upload my my track, 1003 01:07:48,570 --> 01:07:51,360 well, I I have to create a feed which will do with sovereign 1004 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,270 feeds. And I still have to kind of put the whole process 1005 01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:58,170 together in my head. But the bottom line is that it will work 1006 01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:06,360 in all podcast apps. Then he set it up now that if you pin a feed 1007 01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:12,840 and and hosts the cache the pain I guess, the assets of that feed 1008 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:20,640 them which I'm not saying this, right, but if I add a split to 1009 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:26,640 IPFS podcasting into my value block, then whoever whenever i 1010 01:08:26,670 --> 01:08:30,270 Whenever a request comes into IPFS podcasting.net I think it's 1011 01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:34,110 whoever at that point serve the file maybe I'm not sure but 1012 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:37,530 anyway, it gets split up episode and that goes to the to the 1013 01:08:37,530 --> 01:08:43,560 people who are hosting the the track itself. Okay, so 1014 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:49,800 Dave Jones: there's a lot more but I say there's there's a lot 1015 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:56,490 more love and interest for IPFS within people in podcasting than 1016 01:08:56,490 --> 01:09:00,240 I realized. And the more people I talk to the more people are 1017 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,050 like have an interest in trying to get it to be functional. Yes, 1018 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,740 Jay like Jason every podcast guru, he's got BFS guy. 1019 01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:11,010 Adam Curry: So I want to be the guinea pig I want to be the 1020 01:09:11,010 --> 01:09:15,780 canary I want to be I want to be the thing that it'll be scissors 1021 01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:18,450 you know we'll be running with scissors as always, but I think 1022 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:19,230 why not am 1023 01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:21,239 Dave Jones: over as your SAM over pod fans. He'll 1024 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,480 Adam Curry: do it. Boy by the way. I forgot I forgot to 1025 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:28,170 mention pod fans. Every single piece that we do is implemented 1026 01:09:28,170 --> 01:09:32,070 on pod fans. I am convinced Sam will want to be a part of this 1027 01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:37,620 with the IPFS part. Oh for sure. So I'm super super excited. I 1028 01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:43,260 said I had dreams about this. Dreams. And and there will be 1029 01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:46,710 more shows there's more shows coming with guys getting ready 1030 01:09:46,710 --> 01:09:50,190 and there's music being uploaded Suzanne Santo is coming next 1031 01:09:50,190 --> 01:09:57,180 week. Suzanne Santo she's a she's a she's an actress kind of 1032 01:09:57,180 --> 01:09:59,970 turned musician. She has a record deal but she you know she 1033 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:04,530 She hates what it's become. She's a she's a have like a very 1034 01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:09,630 beautiful kind of folksy singer who plays a badass strat. I 1035 01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:13,560 mean, I've heard her do solos unbelievable and she and right 1036 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:18,360 now she's think she's six months pregnant and we went to see her 1037 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,640 do a gig and she had she 1038 01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:24,210 Dave Jones: just burnt she was wearing out the fretboard with a 1039 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,980 with a with a baby in the oven. Yeah 1040 01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:27,990 Adam Curry: baby in the oven and she had her sneakers on 1041 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:32,940 underneath her hot hot black dress. Nice and her husband Nick 1042 01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:38,040 he is the guy who created produced wrote two detectives 1043 01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:43,050 you know the the the Netflix series that was a huge hit the 1044 01:10:43,050 --> 01:10:46,020 one that did it True Detective to detect the other one with 1045 01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:51,240 Woody Harrelson and, yeah, okay, so, so and they're just they 1046 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,870 moved to Austin, they they escaped California. And so I've 1047 01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:57,600 been talking to her about this, and she really wants to get 1048 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,770 involved, she wants to release some music value for value. You 1049 01:11:01,770 --> 01:11:04,650 know, so in that case, I mean, they just come in to hang out 1050 01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:07,170 but I really want to give her a little walkthrough. I'm 1051 01:11:07,710 --> 01:11:10,200 convinced that she will write some music that will be 1052 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,440 specifically for for value for value, just you know, just to 1053 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,770 get people going, you know, get some get some names and show 1054 01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:19,500 that cuz you know, she made this is like, I got a, a million 1055 01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,560 streams, I got 80 bucks or something simple, it's 1056 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:27,240 insulting. It's insulting. She says she really has to do gigs 1057 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,780 to make any money on it. And she just likes doing it because she 1058 01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:35,220 likes doing it. But she wants value. And it's not a it's not 1059 01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:41,040 about how much money it is. It's about just a faceless, you know, 1060 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,620 dashboard from from Spotify, you know, it's not not the same 1061 01:11:46,620 --> 01:11:48,120 thing as getting a boost to Graham. 1062 01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:51,720 Dave Jones: But this goes back to my depressing PowerPoint is 1063 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,170 there we have to be the we've we've we're here with with a 1064 01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:58,680 catcher's mitt, we're catching, we're catching it. Everybody who 1065 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,620 exits the technological system we're catching, we're 1066 01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:04,350 Adam Curry: catching, oh, we got you. We got you know, we got we 1067 01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:04,770 got you. 1068 01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:07,560 Dave Jones: We just set them down gently on the bed of 1069 01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:08,790 podcasting. 2.0. 1070 01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:12,210 Adam Curry: So when I hear this stuff, I just get so excited. I 1071 01:12:12,210 --> 01:12:16,650 just like, oh, this is so cool. I like it. I like it and, and 1072 01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:21,030 going back to the to my opening statement that the strike is 1073 01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:26,370 really going to open up so many opportunities for people for 1074 01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:29,370 frustrated. It's all it's radio and television artists to you 1075 01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:32,130 know, it's not just as podcasters is all kinds of 1076 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:37,800 people who are affected by the strike. And and I think that you 1077 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,410 know, late night television is over, they're done. It's you 1078 01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:43,200 know, that's been off air for two months, people have already 1079 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,810 changed their behaviors they're looking at, they're looking at 1080 01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:48,570 tick tock before they go to sleep for their for their little 1081 01:12:48,570 --> 01:12:51,060 laugh their little hit, I don't think that will ever come back. 1082 01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:53,760 It was always already pretty dead. You know, the numbers just 1083 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,140 really aren't there. And I think people are very easy to switch 1084 01:12:58,170 --> 01:13:01,080 and they get used to stuff and they hear something that is new 1085 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,610 and fresh. And they hear podcasts. And luckily, we have a 1086 01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:09,540 much less crowded market right now. There's not as much new 1087 01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,290 stuff being shoved in your face because the podcast industrial 1088 01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:18,930 complex is sadly not really working out too well. For them, 1089 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:22,530 for them. I'm not dancing on anybody's grave or anything. But 1090 01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:26,010 you know, it's just really not working. I was funny. I got I 1091 01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:28,740 got a pitch from Google podcasts, which was a new one a 1092 01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:29,460 new pitch. 1093 01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:33,360 Dave Jones: What Yeah, I mean, for for what for no agenda, or 1094 01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:38,190 Adam Curry: it was not even clear. For what show this 1095 01:13:38,190 --> 01:13:41,400 probably from no agenda. And I can share some of this because I 1096 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,820 wound up signing an NDA, just to find by wanting to go one step 1097 01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:47,280 further to find out what it was, oh, 1098 01:13:47,309 --> 01:13:49,169 Dave Jones: what they're really doing well, well, the 1099 01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:52,560 Adam Curry: NDA was really like the most vanilla. So it's not 1100 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:57,180 from the from YouTube themselves. But it's from a guy. 1101 01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:59,940 I won't name isn't it? We'll just call him Pete. 1102 01:14:01,109 --> 01:14:03,209 Dave Jones: Who was a paid from YouTube? 1103 01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:07,950 Adam Curry: That yes, Pete from YouTube in London. And I believe 1104 01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:14,340 because he found my name and email address in a EC two, which 1105 01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:16,860 is, you know, I think was shortage where I had an office. 1106 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,210 So he somehow thinks I'm a UK based podcaster God forbid, you 1107 01:14:21,210 --> 01:14:24,990 know, he researched me right? That would be stupid. So he's a 1108 01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:29,580 strategic partner, manager, YouTube, Google, LLC, London, 1109 01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:33,300 UK. And he sent this through different avenues including 1110 01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:41,550 LinkedIn. And, and, and so you know, it's Hello. That's it. 1111 01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:46,350 Hope this is. At first I'm like, this is bullcrap. But you know, 1112 01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:51,930 the, it's poorly written. It's really It's so poor what Google 1113 01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:54,600 is doing because this is not really a person who works 1114 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,320 directly from YouTube but they have consultants or strategic 1115 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,160 partner manager with Ever that means so Pete says, Hello. Hope 1116 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,130 this email finds you. Well, my name is Pete. But I work on a 1117 01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:08,040 team at YouTube that helps podcasters launch and grow on 1118 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,100 the platform. I'm reaching out to you as I'd love to share the 1119 01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:14,880 details of a grant, we'd like to offer you to help ramp you up on 1120 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,050 YouTube along with an X with an access to our RSS. So right 1121 01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:23,160 there, I'm like an access to our RSS. I don't know what you're 1122 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,590 talking about. What does that even mean? To go through the 1123 01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:29,310 details? I will need to send you over an NDA that will one prove 1124 01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:32,640 you're talking to Google and engage each other to keep 1125 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,820 confidential the information you and I will be sharing. Would 1126 01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:39,570 that work? If so can you confirm the name of the signatory and 1127 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,200 email address for the NDA? If there's any doubt in my on my 1128 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,680 identity, you can check my LinkedIn profile, see that my 1129 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,710 email address domain is google.com, which is not 1130 01:15:49,710 --> 01:15:52,950 falsifiable. Looking forward to hearing back from you. Thanks. 1131 01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:54,060 Best regards, Pete. 1132 01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:56,430 Dave Jones: Wow. Sounds a lot. 1133 01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:59,400 Adam Curry: Yeah. All right. Well, I'm interested now because 1134 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,640 I keep for a week now I'm hearing Cridland talk about 1135 01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:05,580 YouTube launching podcasts in other countries like this is 1136 01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:08,910 part of it, or what is it and it's poorly written? The English 1137 01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:12,840 is not great. And like, what is they doing? So okay, but I don't 1138 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,380 answer right away. Because I had to think about it and like, Oh, 1139 01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:18,960 whatever. And I got busy. And then I get another email. Hello. 1140 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,920 Following up on my previous email, I'm happy to have a first 1141 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,220 call before sending the NDA. We are not asking for exclusivity. 1142 01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:30,120 We have an RSS feature, I can give you access to it. We're 1143 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,760 happy to give you give a special grant. There it is, again, 1144 01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:36,240 because feedback is a gift if you're not interested. I would 1145 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,630 and I would like to understand why we can give you a grant 1146 01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:42,780 YouTube has a huge audience and revenue incremental opportunity. 1147 01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:45,960 I'm happy to share your thoughts with the podcast team. Thanks. 1148 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,100 Best regards, Pete. 1149 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,510 Dave Jones: So that's, that's three occurrences of we're gonna 1150 01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:54,630 give you a grant. Yeah, really, really hammering that one home, 1151 01:16:54,630 --> 01:17:00,750 Adam Curry: right. So I say, Well, you know, I'm kind of 1152 01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:03,990 interested in this grant. You're talking about pi Adam, thank you 1153 01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:07,110 for your answer. But I'll need to send you an NDA to provide 1154 01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:09,330 you with all the details. However, let me provide you with 1155 01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:12,630 some context. While YouTube is probably my primarily known as a 1156 01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:15,690 video first platform, we've observed a growing interest in 1157 01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:19,230 podcast and recognize the immense potential for podcasters 1158 01:17:19,230 --> 01:17:22,320 to reach a wider audience, generate revenue, and even 1159 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,960 create a more immersive experience by incorporating 1160 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,800 video into their podcast episodes. To further develop you 1161 01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:32,280 YouTube podcasts in the UK, we are actively seeking to enhance 1162 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,580 our catalogue, with the highest quality podcasts available in 1163 01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:38,670 the market. Oh, here it is such as no agenda. We are not 1164 01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:42,090 requesting exclusivity, but rather aiming for content parity 1165 01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:45,960 with other platforms. Our ultimate goal is not to redirect 1166 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,290 audiences from other platforms to YouTube. Listen, this again, 1167 01:17:49,470 --> 01:17:53,490 our ultimate goal is not to redirect audiences from other 1168 01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:57,300 platforms to YouTube. But to offer you increased reach and 1169 01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,600 exposure through exposure through YouTube as a versatile 1170 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,770 platform, podcast music and videos with 2 billion users 1171 01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:08,070 every month, we understand that uploading content to another 1172 01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:11,010 platform can present challenges, which is why we are prepared to 1173 01:18:11,010 --> 01:18:15,900 offer you a grant and provide access to our RSS feature. This 1174 01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,500 is intended to facilitate the content upload process and offer 1175 01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:22,680 additional support. To go further, I kindly request you to 1176 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,800 sign the NDA. Once that is complete, we can schedule a call 1177 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,870 to discuss further opportunity. So I get the NDA. And the NDA 1178 01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:33,900 basically says anything you already knew before we were 1179 01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,980 talking before this NDA was signed, is fair game. So hence 1180 01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:43,860 all the emails I was happy to read. I can tell you that the 1181 01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,340 grant talk kind of wasn't the first thing that we wanted to 1182 01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:48,060 talk about. 1183 01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:52,080 Dave Jones: Okay, wait, let me let me let me let me ask you, 1184 01:18:52,230 --> 01:18:56,160 did you talk to him? Invite him on the phone like no person? No. 1185 01:18:56,189 --> 01:18:58,529 Adam Curry: Because he said, I signed the NDA. I was like, 1186 01:18:58,529 --> 01:19:02,399 Okay, let's have a call said no. Tell me about the grant. And 1187 01:19:03,029 --> 01:19:06,029 these guys, they don't know what they're doing. They don't give a 1188 01:19:06,029 --> 01:19:12,959 crap about podcasting. I can say this. That, you know, that I 1189 01:19:12,959 --> 01:19:16,559 believe it is their mission. It was not explicitly said, but I 1190 01:19:16,559 --> 01:19:20,279 believe it is their mission to just get everybody to do video. 1191 01:19:20,789 --> 01:19:24,479 And I think you can get a grant if you want to go down that 1192 01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,789 route. But I did not have any discussion with him further 1193 01:19:26,789 --> 01:19:29,969 about it. And then I said I'm not interested. And he said, 1194 01:19:29,969 --> 01:19:33,539 wow, okay, well, would you tell me why and I told him why 1195 01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:36,450 Dave Jones: value for value. Did you talk about vase? No, 1196 01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:41,550 Adam Curry: I said you're a sinkhole. You know, you just I 1197 01:19:41,550 --> 01:19:42,990 think I have my answer here. 1198 01:19:44,430 --> 01:19:48,690 Dave Jones: You can we Is this where the exit interview? Why 1199 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,900 Why would you not like to have our grant? Because you're a 1200 01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:52,740 saint. Oh, no. 1201 01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:55,560 Adam Curry: No, though. The grant the grant was really not 1202 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,310 the grant. Wasn't I can just tell you the grant was like, You 1203 01:19:59,310 --> 01:20:02,580 know what? not buying content knob, you know, in certain 1204 01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:07,740 circumstances, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that kind of went 1205 01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:12,900 away because of how I felt it. But I can read you what I wrote. 1206 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,290 The reason why, let me see hold on is that my sent emails here 1207 01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:29,670 we go. Podcasts are meant to be distributed via an RSS feed that 1208 01:20:29,670 --> 01:20:33,090 the players apps, websites, etc, are to consider the source of 1209 01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:37,110 truth. When a show is added gets added downstream. The opposite 1210 01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:40,440 is also true. This is not how Google operates their podcast 1211 01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:44,010 offering in quotes, you're asking podcasters in effect to 1212 01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:46,980 abandon that system. Google has a horrible reputation when it 1213 01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:49,740 comes to respecting and supporting RSS feed. See, Google 1214 01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:54,330 Reader admits this. Google is calling these non RSS feed day 1215 01:20:54,330 --> 01:20:57,540 shows podcast which they are not since that specifically means 1216 01:20:57,570 --> 01:21:01,500 RSS based distribution. In my opinion, this is a hijack of the 1217 01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,920 term podcast at best and a disingenuous use of the term to 1218 01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,520 build up a competency on the backs of 1000s of developers and 1219 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,520 content creators over a span of 20 years. It's not a good look, 1220 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,000 I cannot support Google calling as offering podcasts then will 1221 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,320 in fact, speak out against it. And, and then he's like, 1222 01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:21,900 Dave Jones: Did you follow that up by saying, Oh, can we talk 1223 01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:22,680 about the grants? 1224 01:21:26,189 --> 01:21:28,559 Adam Curry: And then he said no, because he had asked me to share 1225 01:21:28,559 --> 01:21:31,289 why. And then you know, he comes back says I think there's a 1226 01:21:31,289 --> 01:21:34,049 misunderstanding around our intention. That's a shame. But 1227 01:21:34,049 --> 01:21:37,379 thank you for taking the time to share the feedback. You know, 1228 01:21:37,379 --> 01:21:39,569 the whole discussion, which I didn't discuss anything we 1229 01:21:39,569 --> 01:21:42,479 discussed, this confidential guys, great, have a great day. 1230 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,429 And I said it'd be equally helpful if you explained my 1231 01:21:44,429 --> 01:21:47,399 misunderstandings. What did I misunderstand about your 1232 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:52,289 offering? And he never answered? No, of course not. 1233 01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:55,050 Dave Jones: That's stunning. I'm surprised that he never answered 1234 01:21:55,050 --> 01:22:01,410 that. This. So this is this sounds like this is just me, 1235 01:22:01,410 --> 01:22:07,560 this is me. This is me talking. You have not talked to me about 1236 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:13,410 any of this. No, this sounds like just an extension or a 1237 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:16,740 redirection of the same thing that they were doing before, 1238 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,180 which was they had a grant program, where they were 1239 01:22:21,180 --> 01:22:24,570 supposed to supposedly going to give popular podcasts like 1240 01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:28,200 $50,000 to start or something like that dangerous, 1241 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,470 Adam Curry: the number of video interesting number to start 1242 01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:31,740 doing 1243 01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:34,920 Dave Jones: videos. So I'm assuming that that that that 1244 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,690 program just became this program. And it's basically the 1245 01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:41,400 same thing. That's an interesting 1246 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,980 Adam Curry: assumption, which I cannot talk about. But I think 1247 01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:47,130 that assumption is definitely interesting as an idea. 1248 01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:51,780 Dave Jones: Right. So this this is I've got an ISO for this. Oh. 1249 01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:53,130 So that's why 1250 01:22:53,130 --> 01:23:01,380 Adam Curry: I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm excited. And I 1251 01:23:01,380 --> 01:23:04,470 would just like to remind us that calling this podcast is 1252 01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:08,520 just lame, it's not Google podcast, they're not launching 1253 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:12,900 podcasting anywhere. If I am, and this is one thing we need to 1254 01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:16,740 discuss, if I add something to my feed, it needs to be added 1255 01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:20,880 everywhere. The the converse is true. And we need to talk about 1256 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,620 that, because we had an issue that was confusing to me. If 1257 01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:28,830 someone takes something out of their feed, or changes, 1258 01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:32,700 something that also needs to be reflected downstream, this is 1259 01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:37,500 actually a problem for us. Because we don't necessarily 1260 01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:39,930 rescan the entire feed. 1261 01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:47,550 Dave Jones: So I have a lot of, there's a lot of his law here, 1262 01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:49,350 Adam Curry: let me let me let me give the makeup of the 1263 01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:51,900 background so people understand what happened. There was a hair 1264 01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:55,920 on fire moment, like, oh my god, someone's getting sued if this 1265 01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:59,580 still available on the index, and we have to get rid of it and 1266 01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:02,130 as has to be taken out. You gotta do it. This is what 1267 01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:08,310 creators want. And, and I actually misunderstood initially 1268 01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:15,090 thinking what so someone's deleted something and I mean, do 1269 01:24:15,090 --> 01:24:18,660 they delete in their feed, it wasn't even clear to me. And, of 1270 01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:25,290 course, for sure, it'll take any any platform or any index, some 1271 01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:30,600 time to reflect any changes that are made. But there's ways to 1272 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,930 trigger that and there's, there's, there's assumptions 1273 01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:38,400 people have. So I know that by the way, when I screw something 1274 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,640 up in my feed, it's bad. Me or the I screwed up. I screwed up a 1275 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:49,710 good and I didn't I didn't know what happened. The end it just 1276 01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:53,940 and thank God, you know, lots of people jumped in and said, Hey, 1277 01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:56,880 you screwed this up. And you know, Stephen has now made that 1278 01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,120 a little bit more foolproof and sovereign feeds but And 1279 01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:05,040 eventually when I when I fix things properly in the right way 1280 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,260 and a GUID is one way, surefire way to do it, things do shake 1281 01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:13,440 out down the line, but it takes several days. And it's my fault. 1282 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,760 And it's my problem. But the way this was presented was like, 1283 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,360 Well, you know, podcast index is no good, you've got to do this, 1284 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,670 you've got to do what creators want. I'm like, hold on a 1285 01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,100 second. Take it away. 1286 01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:35,639 Dave Jones: The the reason that we don't do this in real time. 1287 01:25:37,499 --> 01:25:42,119 What I mean by so what I mean by is like, somebody publishes an 1288 01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:46,019 episode in their feed. And then let's say a week later, they 1289 01:25:46,019 --> 01:25:49,949 delete that episode from their feed. Why does it still show up 1290 01:25:49,949 --> 01:25:56,789 in the podcast index for days or weeks afterwards. But the reason 1291 01:25:56,789 --> 01:26:02,309 we don't do this in real time is because it is. It is expensive 1292 01:26:02,309 --> 01:26:07,349 from a performance standpoint, on a database. The episodes 1293 01:26:07,349 --> 01:26:10,409 table is the most active database is the most active 1294 01:26:10,409 --> 01:26:14,399 table in the entire database. It has about a row at any one given 1295 01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:19,859 time, it's got about 120 million rows in it. If you when you do a 1296 01:26:19,859 --> 01:26:26,459 delete when you issue a delete a sequel Delete on a table it 1297 01:26:26,459 --> 01:26:29,759 temporarily locks the table because it can't allow any 1298 01:26:29,759 --> 01:26:33,329 changes to happen in the table until the Delete is finished and 1299 01:26:33,329 --> 01:26:37,619 locks the whole table. Yes, delete is an atomic operation 1300 01:26:37,739 --> 01:26:42,809 meaning Yes, it is it is a touch, which sounds like a 1301 01:26:42,809 --> 01:26:47,189 Beastie Boys song, atomic operation that that must 1302 01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:52,349 complete before anything else can can then proceed. Because 1303 01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:56,009 otherwise you could you could potentially be updating a record 1304 01:26:56,009 --> 01:26:59,279 that deletes right out from under you. You could be halfway 1305 01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:02,489 finished updating a title and an episode and then the episode 1306 01:27:02,879 --> 01:27:09,959 just disappears. So deletes are always atomic. So you have to so 1307 01:27:09,989 --> 01:27:14,699 it it temporarily locks the table from rights in order to 1308 01:27:14,699 --> 01:27:20,459 complete the Delete. Well, that means if you do it in what we 1309 01:27:20,459 --> 01:27:26,129 have is not we have nine aggregators. We have nine 1310 01:27:26,129 --> 01:27:32,549 aggregators that are doing about about 2000 fields per minute of 1311 01:27:32,549 --> 01:27:40,079 scanning that is a lot of deletes. And so, if we you can 1312 01:27:40,079 --> 01:27:43,499 see it happen if I enable if I enable this functionality, which 1313 01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:47,459 the code is there, if I enable it, what you will see is the 1314 01:27:47,459 --> 01:27:52,049 aggregators are chugging along, and then once every minute or so 1315 01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,379 everything stops and ask your question. Yes, 1316 01:27:55,410 --> 01:28:01,470 Adam Curry: when I reset a feed or I'm sorry, rescan a feed does 1317 01:28:01,470 --> 01:28:05,940 that. What does that create? If episodes are missing, do those 1318 01:28:05,940 --> 01:28:08,520 then have to be deleted from the episode table? 1319 01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:13,710 Dave Jones: It when you rescan a feed the first thing it does is 1320 01:28:13,710 --> 01:28:17,730 removes all the episodes. Not recently when you when you reset 1321 01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:18,150 a feed, 1322 01:28:18,750 --> 01:28:20,970 Adam Curry: rescan. I just want to understand the difference 1323 01:28:20,970 --> 01:28:25,020 between rescan reset so rescan, it just looks for something new 1324 01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:28,770 and refreshes it's not not going back in time and looking at 1325 01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:31,050 everything or is it? No, it's not. 1326 01:28:31,170 --> 01:28:34,410 Dave Jones: That's a reset. The reset says look at every just 1327 01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:37,260 basically put it exactly back to the way it is in the feed right 1328 01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:37,650 now. 1329 01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:40,829 Adam Curry: So that does require deletes, it deletes everything 1330 01:28:40,829 --> 01:28:44,549 at that moment, and thus locks the date of the episode table. 1331 01:28:45,299 --> 01:28:47,789 Yes. Wow. If I'm powerful. 1332 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:55,290 Dave Jones: Yeah, so like, if you were, if you were to go in 1333 01:28:55,290 --> 01:29:04,260 there, and let's say let's say that there's a podcast with 2500 1334 01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:09,570 episodes in it. There's plenty of those out there. Sure. If you 1335 01:29:09,570 --> 01:29:16,170 issue a, a feed reset on that. It's gonna look to the episodes 1336 01:29:16,170 --> 01:29:22,440 table for maybe 1520 seconds. Wow. Which 1337 01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:25,350 Adam Curry: is quite a lot. Quite a long time actually. 1338 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,980 Dave Jones: And so it's more it's more pronounced than you 1339 01:29:28,980 --> 01:29:33,270 think. Because what happened? Let's take you take no agenda 1340 01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:36,360 for example, you keep was it 10 episodes and feed it anytime? 1341 01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:40,020 Adam Curry: No, it's much more now ever since the whole 1342 01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:43,200 goodness. I'm afraid to even look how many I have a lot. I 1343 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:47,640 should probably prune that sucker or paginate or paginate. 1344 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:48,660 I don't know I gotta do something. 1345 01:29:48,689 --> 01:29:49,409 Dave Jones: Don't do that. 1346 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,600 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm not doing anything. I'm not 1347 01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,140 Dave Jones: touching it. So but there's plenty of feeds out 1348 01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:59,010 there and you used to be one of these where whenever you add a 1349 01:29:59,010 --> 01:30:03,330 new episode You pull off the old get to row run correct window of 1350 01:30:03,330 --> 01:30:09,090 episodes, yes, there's many of those. So when that happens, 1351 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,770 there's so many of those feeds that do that. We're locking the 1352 01:30:13,770 --> 01:30:19,530 table all the time. So what, what I've done, I've had various 1353 01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:21,420 ways of trying to solve this problem. 1354 01:30:23,970 --> 01:30:26,220 Adam Curry: 40 by 140 in there now, by the way, 1355 01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:32,160 Dave Jones: for 40 episodes. So I've solved this problem various 1356 01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,190 times in the past using different methods. And the, the 1357 01:30:35,190 --> 01:30:42,330 thing that works the best from a performance standpoint for me is 1358 01:30:42,930 --> 01:30:48,300 that every time a feed updates it looks at, it looks at the 1359 01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:52,740 oldest episode, pub date and the newest episode pub date. And 1360 01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:57,540 then we have a cron job that comes along periodically, and 1361 01:30:57,540 --> 01:31:01,110 prunes everything, all the episodes older than the oldest 1362 01:31:01,110 --> 01:31:04,890 pub date that exists in the feed. And it's just a lazy 1363 01:31:04,890 --> 01:31:09,600 process that happens. And it's very lightweight and does not 1364 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,400 hit the database hard. It means that that process can take a 1365 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:21,570 while, like, so compare our compare our hosting and 1366 01:31:21,570 --> 01:31:25,470 budgetary constraints. So we have we roughly spend roughly 1367 01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:31,500 right now about $620 a month on hosting fees for virtual 1368 01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:38,190 machines. Let's compare that to mark overcast, who spends 5000 1369 01:31:38,190 --> 01:31:43,380 plus dollars a month. Yeah, right. He has. He agreed. He 1370 01:31:43,380 --> 01:31:46,410 said one time recently that he aggregates roughly a million 1371 01:31:46,410 --> 01:31:51,090 feeds, we aggregate over 4 million. Yeah, so you can see 1372 01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:54,600 the difference there, you can overcome this problem with sheer 1373 01:31:54,600 --> 01:32:01,410 horsepower. And money. We don't have that. So we have to be wise 1374 01:32:01,410 --> 01:32:05,160 about about the way that we allocate the things that we do. 1375 01:32:05,730 --> 01:32:14,100 So what the standpoint I've always taken is, if that we're 1376 01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:17,250 going to do this lazy process, whatever that process is, we're 1377 01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:19,890 going to do this lazy, sort of, you could call it like a 1378 01:32:19,890 --> 01:32:23,190 sweeper, you know, it comes along after the fact and cleans 1379 01:32:23,190 --> 01:32:29,640 up the mess. We're gonna do this sweeper, and 99% of the time, 1380 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,920 that's fine. There's going to be 1% of the time or less, where 1381 01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:37,650 somebody is really concerned about something and wants 1382 01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:40,170 something taken down immediately. Right. In those 1383 01:32:40,170 --> 01:32:43,740 cases, they've always just emailed us. Yeah, we've we've 1384 01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:47,310 done a feed reset, right. And it's really not a problem. And 1385 01:32:47,310 --> 01:32:49,770 that's the only reason that I brought up the archive.org thing 1386 01:32:49,770 --> 01:32:53,640 is I'm like, I'm not so sure that there's legal problems 1387 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:54,090 here. 1388 01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:57,480 Adam Curry: I mean, well, first of all, no, under Section 230, 1389 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:03,000 we are, in fact immune from any type of legal issues. So is in 1390 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:07,110 America, mind you in America, so is every other app in America, 1391 01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:10,380 etc. That's why section 230 exist. That was the whole point 1392 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,860 doesn't mean that I that I don't want to service people. They 1393 01:33:13,860 --> 01:33:16,830 don't want to help them. And also, you know, sort of bemrose 1394 01:33:16,830 --> 01:33:19,110 actually said, quite appropriately, the public 1395 01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:22,260 Internet has no delete button. I mean, that is ultimately true. 1396 01:33:22,260 --> 01:33:25,650 You put it out there. That thing is cached somewhere for good. 1397 01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,610 Dave Jones: It is I mean, like, that's Yeah. And that's what I'm 1398 01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:33,390 like, Well, we're very responsive to somebody, if if I 1399 01:33:33,390 --> 01:33:36,030 want something taken off archive.org I need I can email 1400 01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:39,360 them and get it taken down, but then they're not going to look 1401 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,170 for. And I know that our purposes aren't the same as 1402 01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:46,260 archive data. We don't want to be the archive of podcasting. 1403 01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,670 No, but but 1404 01:33:47,729 --> 01:33:50,819 Adam Curry: we're also not we don't have the files or anything 1405 01:33:50,819 --> 01:33:52,859 like that. I mean, we don't have any of that. 1406 01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:55,559 Dave Jones: But the language that this has come up before, 1407 01:33:55,559 --> 01:33:58,289 not just from James, this has come up from I think Daniel J. 1408 01:33:58,289 --> 01:34:01,619 Lewis, also said that there was some sort of legal problem and I 1409 01:34:01,619 --> 01:34:04,739 just don't think there is I don't think there's a legal 1410 01:34:04,739 --> 01:34:12,329 issue with caching content. And and let the only time you get 1411 01:34:12,329 --> 01:34:15,509 into a legal issue is if it's if you if the Creator asked you to 1412 01:34:15,509 --> 01:34:19,769 take it down and you don't, then you're then you're violating 1413 01:34:19,769 --> 01:34:22,979 DMCA and other things. And then then it's a problem, but I don't 1414 01:34:22,979 --> 01:34:27,509 think I don't think just simply being slow to remove a cached 1415 01:34:27,509 --> 01:34:29,519 copy is any problem at all? 1416 01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:34,770 Adam Curry: No, that's why I said hair on fire. Yeah. And 1417 01:34:34,770 --> 01:34:39,630 also hair on fire. urgency, makes people make mistakes, and 1418 01:34:39,660 --> 01:34:42,480 I certainly misunderstood what was going on. It's like what is 1419 01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:45,330 happening? I mean, I didn't understand I mean, we're all I 1420 01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:48,720 had to do really was just perform a reset, and then been 1421 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,780 would have been fixed. You know, like emergency coding like what? 1422 01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,780 Dave Jones: And, yeah, I don't just just to be clear, again, I 1423 01:34:57,780 --> 01:34:59,670 don't want to catch this stuff. If somebody deletes it from 1424 01:34:59,670 --> 01:35:02,340 their feet I want to go I want to go from the into Sure, sure. 1425 01:35:02,670 --> 01:35:06,060 But it's sometimes I mean, like, I don't know, we got 1426 01:35:06,060 --> 01:35:10,440 constraints. I mean, we're gonna do the best we can. And, you 1427 01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:13,650 know, that's just got to be the way it the way it is. I mean, if 1428 01:35:13,650 --> 01:35:15,990 people want some taken down, they just just gonna have to, 1429 01:35:16,410 --> 01:35:17,880 like, count up their email. 1430 01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:20,820 Adam Curry: I can't wait to see what how Todd's new project is 1431 01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:24,510 going to work when we talk about that yet. Does that. Tell me 1432 01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:26,130 about this? You're on the email. 1433 01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,459 Dave Jones: No, no. Is this the thing that he said? We can't 1434 01:35:29,459 --> 01:35:29,999 talk about? 1435 01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:32,490 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, but I mean, can you tell? Can we talk 1436 01:35:32,490 --> 01:35:35,160 about it yet? Or we still can't talk? Is it? I don't know. I've 1437 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,280 lost track if we could. I mean, this is Todd. He tells you I can 1438 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,400 talk about it. Boy, I got. I don't know, he didn't put us 1439 01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:48,990 under NDA. Okay, but that's gonna be fun. Anyway, yes. 1440 01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,960 Sorry. I brought it up. I do get one other fun thing I want to 1441 01:35:54,960 --> 01:36:01,710 talk about, which I thought was kind of interesting. player.fm. 1442 01:36:01,710 --> 01:36:04,350 Are you familiar with familiar with player.fm? 1443 01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:07,980 Dave Jones: Why do I know that name? Well, it's a podcast 1444 01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:11,189 Adam Curry: player. It's a podcast player. Yeah, but I 1445 01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:15,359 don't think they have they have 2.0 Things I believe. Are they 1446 01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:18,149 on? Me? Check? Check. Let me see. I thought they were 1447 01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:20,910 Dave Jones: on the apps play me 1448 01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:23,490 Adam Curry: check. Because when they they hit me up for this 1449 01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:28,290 great opportunity. And then I said, Oh, do you have any 1450 01:36:28,290 --> 01:36:31,860 podcasting 2.0? Let me see if I see it here. 1451 01:36:32,850 --> 01:36:35,430 Dave Jones: People drop something on the on a pull 1452 01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:37,860 request. And I just did, but they don't really interact with 1453 01:36:37,860 --> 01:36:39,330 us. So don't forget, forget who they are. 1454 01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:46,770 Adam Curry: See them here. They may not well, anyway. They they 1455 01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,890 because they know I like having my email address in my feed 1456 01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:52,200 because I get these things. And I find that interesting. I don't 1457 01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,220 mind. Doing that player. FM player FM is one of the most 1458 01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:59,130 downloaded and highest rated podcast listening platforms 1459 01:36:59,130 --> 01:37:02,460 available on the Apple App Store and Google Play Store reaching 1460 01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:05,190 millions of unique users per month. It is owned and operated 1461 01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:08,790 by Maple media, a mobile app company based in Los Angeles, 1462 01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:11,970 California. The player FM app enables listeners to enjoy their 1463 01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:14,430 favorite shows and discover new ones through a seamless cross 1464 01:37:14,430 --> 01:37:17,370 platform playback experience on mobile web wearable, smart 1465 01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:20,400 devices, in car and in your apps. sponsored content. So they 1466 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:25,350 have so they we offer direct advertising packages to help you 1467 01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:29,700 connect our engaged audience with your show. So they have all 1468 01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:34,650 these packages that you can buy from them to promote your show 1469 01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:39,990 on their app. You can get you can platinum, it let's see if we 1470 01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:44,430 were to get a two week flight sponsored content package. Well, 1471 01:37:44,430 --> 01:37:48,360 let's go for the bronze starter test package. Platinum sounds 1472 01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:53,070 better. Platinum, okay. We get put in the Discover carousel, 1473 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,860 too. Yeah. They also have a whole onboarding. So was the 1474 01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:02,790 onboarding was kind of interesting. Whereas the 1475 01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:06,360 onboarding piece, new user onboarding, your podcast is 1476 01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,930 featured during the onboarding process, introducing your shows 1477 01:38:09,930 --> 01:38:13,290 and attracting new subscribers. I thought that was really 1478 01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:17,730 interesting. So if you send someone say, hey, try out pod 1479 01:38:17,730 --> 01:38:20,490 verse. Here's the link, you know, it's pod 1480 01:38:20,490 --> 01:38:25,680 verse.no agenda.com.net, dot whatever. No agenda dot pod 1481 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:32,160 verse.the.fm. How about that, then you get you get the app, 1482 01:38:32,730 --> 01:38:37,350 then then no agenda will be highlighted as, as the first 1483 01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:41,040 show the minute you get the app. There's just a whole bunch of 1484 01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,500 interesting things. I thought that these guys were doing that 1485 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,860 a lot of it's achy, and a lot of his expensive 1486 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,800 Dave Jones: cars and the guy was Hopland it was the platinum 1487 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:50,250 cost. 1488 01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:56,400 Adam Curry: Oh my god. $7,000. Oh, you get one to 1.2 million 1489 01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:02,190 impressions, three and a half to 5000 Plays 10,000 to 15,000 1490 01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:05,730 subscribers. So I guess they, they keep doing something and 1491 01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:10,410 they force people. And that's seven grand. But it's not so 1492 01:39:10,410 --> 01:39:13,230 much that I thought some of the some of the I put the link in 1493 01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:15,660 the show notes so people can take a look at the Google Doc. 1494 01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,710 It's just interesting for some of our app developers to think 1495 01:39:19,710 --> 01:39:25,080 about I mean, the idea of having an onboarding system that takes 1496 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,860 people to my podcast when they onboard through it, or maybe and 1497 01:39:28,860 --> 01:39:32,880 by the way, this works perfectly well with value for value. mean 1498 01:39:32,910 --> 01:39:37,440 you've got fountain giving away SATs you've got beef pod fans is 1499 01:39:37,470 --> 01:39:40,620 I've been wild pod fans really should look at this because pod 1500 01:39:40,620 --> 01:39:44,760 fans basically already has SATs waiting for you as a podcaster. 1501 01:39:45,540 --> 01:39:48,780 That can be done you can do I'm sure Sam and put all kinds of 1502 01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:52,080 packages together. Maybe Maybe Sam is behind this company. I 1503 01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,530 don't know it looks like a SAM deal, to be honest. But it's 1504 01:39:55,530 --> 01:39:58,350 just smart. And I just thought you know this whole idea of 1505 01:39:58,350 --> 01:40:02,490 discovery and all this stuff. So you can buy this discovery from 1506 01:40:02,490 --> 01:40:06,780 these guys. But I think being able to send your listeners to a 1507 01:40:06,780 --> 01:40:12,270 place which gives you a bespoke personalized onboarding 1508 01:40:12,300 --> 01:40:17,130 experience was interesting. Was I agree interesting thing that 1509 01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,450 that people could do. And you know, and it looks at this doc, 1510 01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:25,080 there's a lot of different things that they do. They give 1511 01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:30,030 you it kind of like a pod page, which I like, I like pod page, I 1512 01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:33,390 pay for it for carrying the keeper.com. We don't have a 1513 01:40:33,390 --> 01:40:37,020 website, we just feed it our RSS feed and boom, we have a website 1514 01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:41,460 point, the DNS ad, it's good to go. And of course, another thing 1515 01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:45,750 that can go down, you know, obviously, but they have all 1516 01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:48,180 these different features that they give you. And so you can 1517 01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:51,660 get all these additional features based on your based on 1518 01:40:51,660 --> 01:40:56,040 your RSS feed that can be right in that app. So is this just 1519 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,160 stuff to look at is what I'm saying? I was pleasantly 1520 01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:00,210 surprised by it. 1521 01:41:00,870 --> 01:41:04,200 Dave Jones: I'm looking at our page. So on the player.fm if you 1522 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:09,870 look us if you look up us at the top, it says podcasts worth a 1523 01:41:09,870 --> 01:41:13,050 listen. It's kind of like right in the middle of the patient. 1524 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,290 They're like dropping an ad for another podcast on our podcast 1525 01:41:16,290 --> 01:41:20,880 page. But it says over on the left hand side of this podcast 1526 01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:25,380 Supernote pod content provided by Adam curry and podcast index 1527 01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:28,110 LLC. What am I chopped liver? 1528 01:41:28,169 --> 01:41:29,129 Adam Curry: Where does that come from? 1529 01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:34,170 Dave Jones: I don't know. Don't exist on this page. Now. If you 1530 01:41:34,170 --> 01:41:37,380 gotta know, it says Adam curry and John Dvorak. 1531 01:41:37,710 --> 01:41:40,740 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, I mean, let me see what let me see what 1532 01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:45,690 a show info on a second. Maybe there's something the show in 1533 01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:51,420 what a show info keyword keywords podcasting, media 1534 01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:55,650 software, media type podcast. Don't have anything else in 1535 01:41:55,650 --> 01:41:58,260 there. Let me see owner info. 1536 01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,050 Dave Jones: They must pull it must be pulling out of the 1537 01:42:01,050 --> 01:42:05,190 owner, the iTunes owner or something like that tag? Well, 1538 01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:08,129 Adam Curry: I just added Dave Jones to the feed owner. Sorry. 1539 01:42:08,519 --> 01:42:09,539 Sweet. Yeah. 1540 01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:11,490 Dave Jones: Makes me happy. Yeah. 1541 01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:13,080 Adam Curry: I mean, I don't didn't do that on purpose. 1542 01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,340 Obviously. I was trying to find a way to ding them. The podcast 1543 01:42:17,340 --> 01:42:21,420 index, present podcasting. 2.0 upgrading podcasting. Is that in 1544 01:42:21,420 --> 01:42:24,690 there anywhere? Because that's what we have in our feed. And 1545 01:42:24,690 --> 01:42:28,530 that no, no content provided by Adam curry. So that should then 1546 01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:32,160 change theoretically, the Adam curry and Dave Jones sometime 1547 01:42:32,190 --> 01:42:33,900 when I guess maybe when I publish? 1548 01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,199 Dave Jones: I guess it's in the description? No, no, it's not in 1549 01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,769 the description in the Yes. In the description tag. I don't say 1550 01:42:40,769 --> 01:42:42,599 that upgrading podcasting thing. Yeah, 1551 01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:44,880 Adam Curry: but that doesn't surface and I really don't see 1552 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,030 any any 2.0 features here. 1553 01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:51,330 Dave Jones: I mean, if you could get seven grand for for just 1554 01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:51,720 some. 1555 01:42:52,109 --> 01:42:54,269 Adam Curry: But forget, forget the money. Oh, interesting, 1556 01:42:54,269 --> 01:42:58,049 similar to podcasting 2.0, then I see no agenda pop up there. So 1557 01:42:58,049 --> 01:42:59,909 they're probably cross referencing me. 1558 01:43:01,410 --> 01:43:03,420 Dave Jones: They can know. I mean, there's there's lots of 1559 01:43:03,420 --> 01:43:06,180 yeah, there's lots of opportunity for here for I mean, 1560 01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:10,080 you know, we that apps needs podcasts and people know, apps 1561 01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,960 need staying power. They need revenue 1562 01:43:14,010 --> 01:43:20,220 Adam Curry: is what they need. But stand up, there was a stand 1563 01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:23,400 up for your podcast that it wasn't so much about the money 1564 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,270 part, because whatever. I mean, I guess someone's gonna pay that 1565 01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:30,780 kind of cash, I won't. But I liked the personalized 1566 01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,030 onboarding and some of the other things that we're thinking 1567 01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:36,630 about. It's just, it's inspirational for some of our 1568 01:43:36,630 --> 01:43:38,670 developers to look at just see what those guys are doing. 1569 01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:43,410 Dave Jones: Yeah, let's say Nathan said that they did. The 1570 01:43:43,410 --> 01:43:46,650 maple media owns a whole mess of apps in various industries. And 1571 01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:49,860 one of their lines is like an equity app. Play. 1572 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,490 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure. 1573 01:43:53,580 --> 01:43:56,760 Should we thank a few people. Dave Jones. Oh, yeah, sure. 1574 01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:00,000 Let's look at a couple of booths that have come in live where 1575 01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,840 we've been doing the show or live and lit air boob 808 from 1576 01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,270 Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot says YouTube, the centralized 1577 01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:12,750 censoring platform wants to get into podcasting. Yeah, right. 1578 01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,100 What's new? 1579 01:44:14,670 --> 01:44:17,040 Dave Jones: What's what's obviously did not sign the NDA. 1580 01:44:17,070 --> 01:44:21,180 Adam Curry: What's their new name? spook. rss.com No, thanks. 1581 01:44:21,210 --> 01:44:27,720 We'll stick to podcasting. 2.0 No, all right. Got a 2112 Mini 1582 01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:32,100 rush boosts from Dave Jones for obviously for Ainsley Costello 1583 01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:36,090 says what a great tune. Dred Scott 13,000 great music. This 1584 01:44:36,090 --> 01:44:39,210 of course goes mainly to Ainsley so she'll be very happy with 1585 01:44:39,210 --> 01:44:45,570 that. Short Row adduction Mahara fat 2222 And someone else from 1586 01:44:45,570 --> 01:44:51,960 curio caster with no name 2222 Martin 9876 sets. Happy Friday 1587 01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,530 music woohoo. Thank you. That'd be great. Mike Newman. Whoa, 1588 01:44:55,530 --> 01:45:01,320 whoa, hold on a second. Where's my There's my stripe stripe or 1589 01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:07,320 booths I should have that at the ready I don't understand why I 1590 01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,410 didn't have that I wanted to do it it's not in my it's not on my 1591 01:45:10,410 --> 01:45:10,890 system 1592 01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:11,970 Dave Jones: it's not on the pad 1593 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,480 Adam Curry: it's not on the pad for some reason here we go. Oh, 1594 01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:18,870 and that's that's not well I'm really all over the place. Oh 1595 01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:29,400 hey, we tried this striper bow Steve Webb 7777 Great sound he 1596 01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:33,300 said that Steve the OG God caster checking it nice. See 1597 01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:38,370 dubs with 9999 I think that's also for Ainsley. Then we have 1598 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:44,700 Sir Brian of London. This was earlier 31 31,948 his big 1599 01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:49,500 Israeli freedom boost. I'm alive. Despite waking up yay, 1600 01:45:49,530 --> 01:45:53,130 two meters from an exploding lizard exploding lithium battery 1601 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,890 on a boat a few nights ago. I'm here to continue working on 1602 01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:57,510 podcasting. 2.0 1603 01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:59,639 Dave Jones: Welcome back, Brian. Yeah, we're 1604 01:45:59,670 --> 01:46:01,440 Adam Curry: glad we're glad we're glad you're alive. 1605 01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:07,740 Blueberry with a nice long row of ducks 22222 Speaking of 1606 01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:10,350 chapters based off the testing I did over the weekend, you can 1607 01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:13,380 take one second GIFs and stack them one to one in the chapter 1608 01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:17,040 file. One split kid plays podcasts mp3 is pasta chapter 1609 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,200 art it'll it'll be certain you can use this combo to do a live 1610 01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,970 long form animated lit opener, scissor time timbers. He's all 1611 01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:29,370 over the gifs man. There was something else I read think 1612 01:46:29,370 --> 01:46:33,060 blueberry, where we was talking about something earlier before 1613 01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:36,570 we started the show. He says he was thinking of rigging up the 1614 01:46:36,570 --> 01:46:42,390 boost bot. So that if if and the boost bot and the ISO bot so if 1615 01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:44,910 it caught a certain word, it would automatically boost 1616 01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:51,480 something it's just very trippy. So it was like rosebud, then 1617 01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:53,790 automatically a boost would fire. 1618 01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,329 Dave Jones: This is going to bring gonna break something I 1619 01:46:57,330 --> 01:46:58,830 Adam Curry: know it's gonna break something for sure. 1620 01:46:59,670 --> 01:47:00,930 Dave Jones: It's gonna be there's gonna be a boost 1621 01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:02,970 Inception that just drains every 1622 01:47:03,899 --> 01:47:07,319 Adam Curry: Alright, yes, this will eventually go wrong. Short 1623 01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:10,109 road ducks from blueberry spent a summer at Middleton plantation 1624 01:47:10,109 --> 01:47:13,079 in Charleston, South Carolina. Blacksmithing 10 out of 10 would 1625 01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:16,739 recommend if you'd like it hot, heavy and dirty. That's exactly 1626 01:47:16,739 --> 01:47:22,109 what it is. trickler 2222 Go podcasting Tag you're it thank 1627 01:47:22,109 --> 01:47:26,579 you Eric p p with 22,222. Thank you very much. We love those 1628 01:47:26,579 --> 01:47:33,689 ducks. And we got I am Mr. Robot with a little pre show booth for 1629 01:47:33,689 --> 01:47:38,759 the board meeting. 3333 absurdity and with 101 Joel 1630 01:47:38,759 --> 01:47:42,599 dawned on me see No, no, no, no, that's it. Those are not all 1631 01:47:42,599 --> 01:47:45,959 people. I don't think I think vacation time has kicked in. We 1632 01:47:45,959 --> 01:47:49,019 don't we don't have a lot of people in the chat room either. 1633 01:47:49,469 --> 01:47:51,419 With your day, we're here. We're here. 1634 01:47:51,810 --> 01:47:54,750 Dave Jones: Speaking of tagging the trickler Christopher I've 1635 01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:59,070 seen is a he's working the city's still working diligently 1636 01:47:59,070 --> 01:48:02,460 to put together your daily source code or coffee. 1637 01:48:02,580 --> 01:48:06,120 Adam Curry: I know. And he sent me a whole bunch of requests, 1638 01:48:06,510 --> 01:48:09,150 which is cool, because you know, I had all these different 1639 01:48:09,150 --> 01:48:13,980 locations the curry castle, the curry condo, the bunker. And he 1640 01:48:13,980 --> 01:48:19,590 wants the the Geo coordinates so I'm going to get those forum to 1641 01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:23,760 use the the location tag. Oh, yeah. Now he's, he's got it. 1642 01:48:23,970 --> 01:48:27,360 It's very nice. I told him no value block. We can have that 1643 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,210 because I played licensed music and all this stuff. Yeah. So 1644 01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:32,760 he's not going to put that in. And I think I'm going to give 1645 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,170 him a server space. So they can upload everything. I'm very 1646 01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:39,570 excited about that. It'll be a nice piece of history that can 1647 01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:43,410 live on in perpetuity because I love the trick. Yeah, cuz you 1648 01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:46,770 know, void zero maintains all that so that'll be around for a 1649 01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:47,400 long time. 1650 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,880 Dave Jones: Below the trickler we got let's see we got some 1651 01:48:51,060 --> 01:48:53,490 Yeah, we got to pay pals we got Marco coming in. Speaking of 1652 01:48:53,490 --> 01:48:56,970 Marco and the Linode debacle. We got $500 from market 1653 01:48:58,620 --> 01:49:03,240 Adam Curry: Sakala 20 blades on the Impala Thank you Marco. 1654 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,400 Thank you really appreciate that. 1655 01:49:08,010 --> 01:49:14,640 Dave Jones: See it? Who was it? Was it? Oh, source source day he 1656 01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,580 said that? I need a pop filter and my puppy 1657 01:49:18,090 --> 01:49:20,790 Adam Curry: doesn't bother me. Okay. 1658 01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:23,100 Dave Jones: Get one if I need one. 1659 01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:25,530 Adam Curry: Do you like when you're excited? You'll get a 1660 01:49:25,530 --> 01:49:28,380 little puppy. I get potty all the time. I mean, what Mike? 1661 01:49:28,590 --> 01:49:33,000 What are you using us Ohio? No, I'm using the RT 3320 Well, then 1662 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,150 you're just as Poppy as I am. It has a built in pop filter. 1663 01:49:36,689 --> 01:49:38,219 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's I've never gotten one because it's 1664 01:49:38,219 --> 01:49:41,669 got the built in. It's fine. It's fine. Okay, if it if it 1665 01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:44,069 bothers everybody boost in and tell me 1666 01:49:45,780 --> 01:49:48,420 Adam Curry: about Buffy Yeah, boosting Some. Some pop filter 1667 01:49:48,420 --> 01:49:50,130 boosts Pop Pop sets. 1668 01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:55,230 Dave Jones: Todd at blueberry $50. Hey, gents. Todd. Here. Go 1669 01:49:55,230 --> 01:49:56,070 V for V. 1670 01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:58,560 Adam Curry: Yo, baby. Thank you. Thank you very much, Todd. When 1671 01:49:58,560 --> 01:49:59,970 can we talk about your secret project? 1672 01:50:00,899 --> 01:50:06,569 Dave Jones: Yeah, give us give us a timeline from Da Oh, let's 1673 01:50:06,569 --> 01:50:09,659 see what Okay, here we go. I guess it's a booster booster 1674 01:50:09,659 --> 01:50:14,669 grams. Okay, Captain egg head. 2222 says pod versed. Pod verse 1675 01:50:14,669 --> 01:50:16,109 beta can time split. 1676 01:50:16,499 --> 01:50:18,929 Adam Curry: Ooh, nice. Nice. Okay. 1677 01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:23,100 Dave Jones: I'll give that a shot. Today when I get back and 1678 01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:27,630 do so. Cast ematic Franco's trying to he's working on time 1679 01:50:27,630 --> 01:50:32,940 splits. Nice. I've got to put some thought into that, because 1680 01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:36,390 it's going to be hard for him to do remote item lookups 1681 01:50:36,420 --> 01:50:38,010 Adam Curry: because he doesn't have a server. 1682 01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:43,320 Dave Jones: Yeah, and so it's gonna take some thought I mean, 1683 01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:47,280 for sometimes it's gonna be not a big deal. But if there's a 1684 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,640 feed with a whole bunch, it it could be a burden 1685 01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,160 Adam Curry: burden on the app because it has to scan all that 1686 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:53,640 stuff. 1687 01:50:54,150 --> 01:50:56,280 Dave Jones: Yeah, he painted out some scenario where there was 1688 01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,340 going to be like 40 Something lookups you know, and it was 1689 01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:03,480 just like, Whoo, that's that hurts. So I've got that on my to 1690 01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:07,290 do list to sort of like think that through and see if we can 1691 01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:12,780 simplify this process for him. Because the the apps that do 1692 01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:15,060 their own thing and don't have a server I mean, we you know, this 1693 01:51:15,060 --> 01:51:19,500 stuff has to work for them too. Because those are those are good 1694 01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:19,890 apps. 1695 01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:21,810 Adam Curry: I smell a shim coming. 1696 01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:26,670 Dave Jones: Shit no shim shim free 1697 01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:31,710 Adam Curry: Parfumerie shim shim any shim shim Shirou Sorry 1698 01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:35,460 Dave Jones: 3333 through curio Castro no no thank you for that 1699 01:51:35,460 --> 01:51:38,820 and a double he gave us another one of those Thank you. drips 1700 01:51:38,820 --> 01:51:41,550 got 100,000 sets 1701 01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:47,400 Adam Curry: kala 20 is Blaze Bala Thank you 1702 01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,870 Dave Jones: boosting weight destiny by Sarah Jade great to 1703 01:51:52,170 --> 01:51:57,090 nice this see we got 30 threes got some more thought some more 1704 01:51:57,090 --> 01:52:02,430 hard hats. Thank you, Captain egghead. Probably not yet while 1705 01:52:02,430 --> 01:52:05,940 live though I guess at least on my pod verse. Yeah, probably not 1706 01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:08,400 that's no not Yeah, just separate thing that's not there 1707 01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,710 yet. Let's see Sam says the 152 theropod fancies his face seven 1708 01:52:13,710 --> 01:52:16,860 podcast chat already working podcast events ready now you 1709 01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:19,320 action words are added to the dashboard and can't wait for 1710 01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:23,460 podcast verify good podcasting. This is Red Dwarf set aka zoo 1711 01:52:27,149 --> 01:52:29,309 Adam Curry: I love Sam he's doing those interviews you can 1712 01:52:29,309 --> 01:52:31,979 hear is like 34 values the way to go. It's the way to go. But 1713 01:52:31,979 --> 01:52:34,049 okay, I'll ask about this advertising thing you're doing. 1714 01:52:34,380 --> 01:52:38,310 Dave Jones: You can hear that you can hear the the you can 1715 01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:39,030 hear it in his voice. 1716 01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:41,310 Adam Curry: Can I ask you a question? For a second here, 1717 01:52:41,310 --> 01:52:46,410 Dave? If you sent me your clips in a zip file? Yes. Have you 1718 01:52:46,410 --> 01:52:53,760 sent me? A an archive of a chat you had with the Apple Store? 1719 01:52:54,750 --> 01:52:57,810 Dave Jones: Yes, that's on purpose. Yes. That was 1720 01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:00,660 potentially something I was going to talk about. But I ran 1721 01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,300 out. Okay. All right. Well try this on the cutting room floor. 1722 01:53:04,830 --> 01:53:07,710 Adam Curry: Too bad. No big part for you Apple Store. All right, 1723 01:53:07,710 --> 01:53:07,950 good. 1724 01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:14,520 Dave Jones: Yes, discard. Let's see. Oh, see Dubs. One on 102 1725 01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:18,300 podcast index websites as a log seek is my favorite outliner 1726 01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:21,450 I've heard about log seek and add blocks that I have not used 1727 01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:30,660 it. It's supposedly it's like an encrypted what is it? I know 1728 01:53:30,660 --> 01:53:35,820 it's spelled funny as ello je s EQ logs. It gets like an open 1729 01:53:35,820 --> 01:53:36,540 source thing. 1730 01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:39,750 Adam Curry: And it partially because you were grepping logs 1731 01:53:39,750 --> 01:53:42,870 you were doing some big log Griffin 17. Grip, 1732 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:47,820 Dave Jones: grip and logs and log notes increase understate? 1733 01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:52,680 Yeah. Community. Yes. It's like a it's like an open source note 1734 01:53:52,980 --> 01:54:00,360 sharing outliner thing but it's all encrypted. Drop Thank you. 1735 01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:00,900 Okay. 1736 01:54:01,469 --> 01:54:02,189 Adam Curry: Pick up your sand 1737 01:54:02,190 --> 01:54:04,410 Dave Jones: drop that drop my thing. Dropped it again. 1738 01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:12,240 Alright, I get our Davis at 710101. He says DuPont versus 1739 01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:14,910 correction typo from previous origin of my knowledge of 1740 01:54:14,910 --> 01:54:18,270 podcasting. Well think they're out of order because I didn't 1741 01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:22,860 see your previous one. Oh, here it is. I found it. Our Davis 1742 01:54:22,860 --> 01:54:27,060 8722 to 22 Row ducks through pod VS is boosting for another exon 1743 01:54:27,060 --> 01:54:30,450 board meeting. Thank you for your courage. Exxon. Thank you. 1744 01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:37,740 Thank you. Mike Newman 1472 through pod fans. Hey, now yay, 1745 01:54:37,740 --> 01:54:38,040 there 1746 01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:41,340 Adam Curry: it is the finally getting some pod fan boosts like 1747 01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:42,540 that and like seeing that 1748 01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:45,510 Dave Jones: boosting through pod fans for the thrill of it all. 1749 01:54:47,700 --> 01:54:50,400 Adam Curry: week I got I got my login. I'm all done. I'm rocking 1750 01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,820 and roll. I'm connecting with Sam. I'm following you. So yeah, 1751 01:54:53,820 --> 01:54:55,710 I'm figuring it all out. 1752 01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,320 Dave Jones: And get it. I'm noting up some bugs. I'm gonna 1753 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:03,540 send them to Sam Oh see anonymous 6928 through breeze 1754 01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:04,320 today. 1755 01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:12,390 Adam Curry: I got a note from from Roy said, he said sorry 1756 01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:16,380 I've been MIA. So all kinds of stuff going on so I got to catch 1757 01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:19,620 up with him. That would be my daughter was here so I haven't 1758 01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:22,350 had time to call him back but I will we'll catch up. Yeah, he 1759 01:55:22,350 --> 01:55:25,050 stopped boosting the boosting is not loving. 1760 01:55:25,590 --> 01:55:26,400 Dave Jones: Yeah, man. 1761 01:55:27,180 --> 01:55:31,470 Adam Curry: That's bad overboard. busy guy. 1762 01:55:32,099 --> 01:55:38,009 Dave Jones: Justin Dejon do 669 sets. The pod fans this is pod 1763 01:55:38,009 --> 01:55:41,369 fans payment. Well, the pod fans is ramping up here. Hey, how 1764 01:55:41,369 --> 01:55:43,199 Adam Curry: about that? I love it. Nice. 1765 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,740 Dave Jones: Our Davis 1443 pod verse he says boosting for the 1766 01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:50,790 destiny of podcasting. 2.0 and V for V music. Open music Wait, 1767 01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:53,670 Destiny? Great town. A real foot Tapper. 1768 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, this was the music we played on the last 1769 01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:56,790 show. 1770 01:55:57,269 --> 01:56:02,369 Dave Jones: Jade was Sarah J. Sarah Jade. Yep. Okay. Oh, our 1771 01:56:02,369 --> 01:56:05,789 Davis 1440. Again, he says the dot eath domain services run by 1772 01:56:05,789 --> 01:56:09,119 the Ethereum foundation and is called the Aetherium namespace. 1773 01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:12,720 Adam Curry: Okay. Good to know. So good to know what to avoid. 1774 01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:18,930 Dave Jones: That's right. Our Davis all over Oh, he's all up 1775 01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:23,880 in our DMS today. 1987. DuPont VS is in the boardroom. Adam and 1776 01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,400 Dave, I think the whole verify ownership tag is being over 1777 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:30,270 thought. There already exists a standard that can do this for 1778 01:56:30,270 --> 01:56:33,210 both independent podcasters and podcasters. He's posting 1779 01:56:33,210 --> 01:56:36,990 companies. It's called PGP and GNU privacy. 1780 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,920 Adam Curry: Cool. But you can have verification through PGP. 1781 01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:43,980 Dave Jones: But I guess it would be just like very verifying 1782 01:56:44,250 --> 01:56:48,300 ownership of an email. If you put your PGP is the key if the 1783 01:56:48,330 --> 01:56:50,400 feed head is PGP public key in 1784 01:56:50,399 --> 01:56:53,699 Adam Curry: it? Oh, well, there's a good point. There's a 1785 01:56:53,699 --> 01:56:56,579 good point. Da 1786 01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:59,520 Dave Jones: Yeah, you would need an E and it had the same issue. 1787 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,980 Right? You need a key to key escrow and all this stuff like 1788 01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:06,450 no you don't need as you don't, I mean key escrow. Like don't 1789 01:57:06,450 --> 01:57:11,730 you have to have a private directory of public PGP keys, 1790 01:57:11,730 --> 01:57:12,060 it's 1791 01:57:15,359 --> 01:57:17,009 Adam Curry: you know what, I'm gonna stay away from this 1792 01:57:17,009 --> 01:57:19,829 because the minute I open my mouth, like you got it wrong, 1793 01:57:19,829 --> 01:57:25,439 Carrie. That's not how it works. But I use I would say I get one 1794 01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:30,809 to two encrypted emails per day. And and I use the what's the 1795 01:57:30,839 --> 01:57:35,219 what's the dog email, app canine mail, which incorporates it 1796 01:57:35,219 --> 01:57:40,799 nicely. And I've been able to keep my key ring with all my you 1797 01:57:40,799 --> 01:57:45,509 know, with all my my my peeps, now easy to add someone's public 1798 01:57:45,509 --> 01:57:49,019 key, and it works pretty well. I have to say, it's not much of a 1799 01:57:49,019 --> 01:57:53,819 burden once you've done it a couple times. And so yeah, I 1800 01:57:53,819 --> 01:57:57,239 mean, and from time to time, someone will want to verify and 1801 01:57:57,239 --> 01:58:00,089 like that's a pain in the butt, actually. Because you got to 1802 01:58:00,119 --> 01:58:03,209 post something and do this and do that. And okay, you're 1803 01:58:03,209 --> 01:58:03,929 verified. 1804 01:58:05,130 --> 01:58:08,010 Dave Jones: But it worked out says the RSS feed is the escrow. 1805 01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:11,310 Adam Curry: Yes. That will make sense. The feed is the escrow 1806 01:58:11,310 --> 01:58:13,620 that's where you put the where you put your public key. 1807 01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:17,580 Dave Jones: And that means that podcast index would be the could 1808 01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:18,420 be a directory. 1809 01:58:19,050 --> 01:58:20,940 Adam Curry: We could be your public key directory. 1810 01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:23,160 Dave Jones: Yeah. There's nothing much more centralized 1811 01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:25,590 than a public key. strew is 1812 01:58:28,380 --> 01:58:30,330 Adam Curry: think about something the thing Yeah. 1813 01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:32,880 Dave Jones: He says you just put the public key in the feed, then 1814 01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:35,580 you give the user something they sign it with their private key 1815 01:58:35,580 --> 01:58:38,070 and the Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I mean, that's yeah. So yeah, 1816 01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:43,260 it's interesting. Yeah. Or asymmetric. Let's see. 1817 01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:46,410 Adam Curry: Alex gates just came in with 12,000 SATs already 1818 01:58:46,410 --> 01:58:49,770 considering adding PGP keys to the feed for pod ping 1819 01:58:49,770 --> 01:58:50,850 verification. 1820 01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,760 Dave Jones: Okay, well, maybe we can push all this together. And 1821 01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,260 I'm liking this. Yeah, 1822 01:58:55,290 --> 01:58:57,240 Adam Curry: I'm getting excited. 1823 01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,480 Dave Jones: By the way, Alex, I'm not I'm not streaming my 1824 01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:05,670 webcam on the OBS because I started this. I already had 1825 01:59:05,670 --> 01:59:08,610 everything hooked up. And if I plug in the USB, it blows up my 1826 01:59:08,610 --> 01:59:12,120 computer after I do it after the fact so I'm running headless 1827 01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:16,650 today. Just yeah, just Yeah, making sure he knows that. It's 1828 01:59:16,650 --> 01:59:21,840 not a problem. Okay, all right. Josie Jean been 4000 says says 1829 01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,110 Oh, good grief, apparently Oh, my phone pod verse. Now we got 1830 01:59:25,110 --> 01:59:27,570 back together, but we're waiting to get underground from their 1831 01:59:27,570 --> 01:59:30,540 misbehavior before actually streaming sets again. Here's a 1832 01:59:30,540 --> 01:59:33,180 little something to compensate for their ridiculousness. To be 1833 01:59:33,180 --> 01:59:38,460 clear. This is actually a peb CAC. Err. Okay, what is Pip? 1834 01:59:38,609 --> 01:59:41,069 Adam Curry: I don't know BK AC sounds icky. 1835 01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:46,380 Dave Jones: P NB case. I don't know what problem exists between 1836 01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:54,750 Qidong Yeah. Okay, thank you. GB 10,000 SAS for Gene minisas. As 1837 01:59:54,750 --> 01:59:58,740 I said on Mastodon, my biggest pet peeve in life is double 1838 01:59:58,740 --> 02:00:01,560 standards. So I feel less frustration with iTunes blocked 1839 02:00:01,590 --> 02:00:03,870 and think he's taking the right path to resolving this Miss. 1840 02:00:03,930 --> 02:00:05,430 Thank you Jamie. Appreciate that. 1841 02:00:05,460 --> 02:00:06,510 Adam Curry: Indeed I agree. 1842 02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,190 Dave Jones: Uncle Laurent sent us a satchel of Richard's 1843 02:00:11,190 --> 02:00:13,140 through pod verse he says I heard you guys talking about 1844 02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:17,010 Bitcoin Amsterdam last episode. Are you guys going? Negative? 1845 02:00:17,070 --> 02:00:20,220 Adam Curry: No, no, I don't think anything's happening. They 1846 02:00:20,250 --> 02:00:22,080 they have they've dropped the ball. 1847 02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:25,320 Dave Jones: Yeah, I haven't heard back from Chris yet. 1848 02:00:26,220 --> 02:00:30,270 Adam Curry: They have however hounded me for my article. So I 1849 02:00:30,270 --> 02:00:34,590 wrote my article. I ran it through chat GPT much to Tina's 1850 02:00:34,590 --> 02:00:38,640 anger. Because I gave it to her and I said can you put this for 1851 02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,280 the Tina wash? He said in the first sentence is this you put 1852 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:49,230 this chat GPT didn't you? I said I'm so she has done an edit I'm 1853 02:00:49,230 --> 02:00:53,370 gonna look at it and it's all about podcasts and 2.0 value for 1854 02:00:53,370 --> 02:00:55,710 value and music value for value. 1855 02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:59,310 Dave Jones: Oh one I'm even worse I generated must show the 1856 02:00:59,340 --> 02:01:02,700 for this new for the days nightstand podcast Yeah, I 1857 02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:06,570 generated my album art through a mid journey 1858 02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:09,180 Adam Curry: oh god yeah, that's pretty bad. 1859 02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:15,780 Dave Jones: It was the epic fails were hilarious bad i mean 1860 02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:20,070 lamps desktop lamps that were connected to each other in 1861 02:01:20,190 --> 02:01:23,610 disturbing and horrible ways like it it was it was fun to 1862 02:01:23,610 --> 02:01:24,150 watch oh yes 1863 02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:27,780 Adam Curry: I need I need some art for Bookstagram ball comics 1864 02:01:27,780 --> 02:01:30,750 are bought blogger did one for me. But and he kind of got 1865 02:01:30,750 --> 02:01:34,020 started on a path that just doesn't work for me headphones 1866 02:01:34,020 --> 02:01:36,840 on the thing is like I'm looking for something different. I 1867 02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:40,530 appreciate what he did of course, but I'd love some just 1868 02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,410 throw it up on the podcast index dot social if you got something 1869 02:01:43,410 --> 02:01:45,060 love, love some art for the show. 1870 02:01:46,230 --> 02:01:49,920 Dave Jones: Chris Jupiter broadcasting huge, huge satchel 1871 02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:54,270 enrichers they got big Richard's over at Jupiter broadcasting fad 1872 02:01:54,270 --> 02:02:01,230 through fountain is 111111 111,111. 1873 02:02:01,649 --> 02:02:05,279 Adam Curry: Baby. Nice. Big Richards. 1874 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,970 Dave Jones: He says just loved episode 141 Here's some value to 1875 02:02:08,970 --> 02:02:11,250 say thanks for one of my favorite weekly listens. 1876 02:02:11,370 --> 02:02:13,680 Adam Curry: Thanks, brother. Appreciate it, man. 1877 02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:20,040 Dave Jones: A bunch a bunch of 60 nines from Sam Sam city. But 1878 02:02:20,250 --> 02:02:25,170 a streaming stream is 60 nines. Mere Mortals podcast 2222 1879 02:02:25,170 --> 02:02:28,860 through fountain he says Confucius wants say life is 1880 02:02:28,860 --> 02:02:32,880 really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. I believe 1881 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:36,360 he also said only real podcasters use the duo was words 1882 02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:36,900 to live by a 1883 02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:42,660 Adam Curry: couple of more live booths coming in Alex gets 1884 02:02:42,660 --> 02:02:48,570 13,000 Dave lost his head. Gotcha. And Sir TJ the raffle 1885 02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:51,690 who will be featured on the first booster Grand Ball nein 1886 02:02:51,690 --> 02:02:55,470 nein nein Nein. So excited for V for V music. It's all about the 1887 02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:59,970 value not the money. But N net Ned 10,000 SATs because it's 1888 02:02:59,970 --> 02:03:03,150 Friday you ain't got nothing and got no job. You ain't got no 1889 02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:05,640 shit to do. All right, net net. Thank you. 1890 02:03:06,149 --> 02:03:09,149 Dave Jones: This is what this is the standard operating procedure 1891 02:03:09,149 --> 02:03:15,329 for us by the way. You break just like today, you brought 1892 02:03:15,329 --> 02:03:21,779 cherry on top. With the killer tune. What I brought is Debbie 1893 02:03:21,779 --> 02:03:24,929 Downer about the world is broken. We're a perfect hair. 1894 02:03:26,129 --> 02:03:30,989 You're gonna bring the V for V booster booster gram ball. I'm 1895 02:03:30,989 --> 02:03:34,289 bringing a book about me reading stuff off my nightstand. 1896 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,380 Adam Curry: But that's who we are. That's why it's so 1897 02:03:37,380 --> 02:03:40,560 beautiful. That's good, man. That's good. Hey, maybe we can 1898 02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:41,880 appear on each other show. 1899 02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:44,489 Dave Jones: That's right. Yeah, I'm talking to you. You're on a 1900 02:03:44,489 --> 02:03:46,739 show of me reading blurbs of a book. Yes. There 1901 02:03:46,740 --> 02:03:49,020 Adam Curry: you go. I'm pumped. I'd love to do a guest read. 1902 02:03:49,649 --> 02:03:52,529 Dave Jones: I will. I will get on your show and play and I'll 1903 02:03:52,529 --> 02:03:53,399 do an open mic. 1904 02:03:54,450 --> 02:03:58,230 Adam Curry: Yes. Good. I'm good. I'm good. Let's do it. I love 1905 02:03:58,230 --> 02:03:58,410 it. 1906 02:03:59,220 --> 02:04:02,820 Dave Jones: CASP eland 3692 podcasts index website he says 1907 02:04:02,820 --> 02:04:06,780 listen true. My own IPFS gateway, true the IPFS podcast 1908 02:04:06,780 --> 02:04:10,440 node written some small scripts to make use of your own gateway 1909 02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,340 on your own IPFS gateway only local local network is advised 1910 02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:20,760 and he gives a link to these look alike. Scripts. Okay. 1911 02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:23,790 Adam Curry: Send it to me and I'll put them in the show notes. 1912 02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:26,700 You can send that link to me. Let me 1913 02:04:26,730 --> 02:04:28,800 Dave Jones: let me sanitize this link first and make sure it's 1914 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:31,560 not miss ransomware 1915 02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:35,220 Adam Curry: Yeah. Alright home 1916 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,690 podcast script. 1917 02:04:43,229 --> 02:04:45,569 Dave Jones: This connection refused. I feel like we've been 1918 02:04:45,809 --> 02:04:47,249 I feel like we've been pranked. 1919 02:04:47,729 --> 02:04:52,889 Adam Curry: Let me say God's honest open hope and an owl. 1920 02:04:54,779 --> 02:04:56,009 That means open head. 1921 02:04:56,730 --> 02:04:59,550 Dave Jones: Open. We got pranked. We got punked I think 1922 02:04:59,550 --> 02:04:59,790 so 1923 02:04:59,790 --> 02:05:02,970 Adam Curry: too. Well, I'll put that link in just in case people 1924 02:05:02,970 --> 02:05:06,210 want to dare click on it. Okay, all right. 1925 02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:11,100 Dave Jones: The small satchel Richards he's need to go work 1926 02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:16,080 for Jupiter guys. Joel Wu. A fountain note Thank you Joel 1927 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:16,350 Dobby 1928 02:05:16,410 --> 02:05:19,140 Adam Curry: work for Jupiter. Just got that one 1929 02:05:20,340 --> 02:05:23,490 Dave Jones: bad career advice Chad a little bit bigger sensor 1930 02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:28,080 Richards 11111 Count and he says days premium feed for the 1931 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,960 upcoming podcast days. Nice day unless you explore what's in 1932 02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:31,800 days Nice. 1933 02:05:35,850 --> 02:05:38,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, I like it. I like that idea. 1934 02:05:40,590 --> 02:05:43,830 Dave Jones: He's just cute. Hot. Nice face talk. That might need 1935 02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:44,970 some hot math talk. 1936 02:05:45,090 --> 02:05:47,550 Adam Curry: Yeah, we got that. 1937 02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:56,970 Unknown: It's so hot. When you talk math. Thinks dry maths to 1938 02:05:56,970 --> 02:05:57,420 me. 1939 02:05:58,590 --> 02:06:01,770 Adam Curry: Talk math. Talk math to me, baby. 1940 02:06:02,220 --> 02:06:05,940 Dave Jones: I like how old that that that jingle is because it 1941 02:06:05,940 --> 02:06:07,440 still talks about things. 1942 02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:12,120 Adam Curry: I know. That is funny. I didn't even think about 1943 02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:12,420 that. 1944 02:06:13,019 --> 02:06:16,409 Dave Jones: To see 5000 sets through for from anonymous 1945 02:06:16,409 --> 02:06:20,519 podcast guru user. Through the podcast guru app. He says I'm 1946 02:06:20,519 --> 02:06:22,829 going to recommend this to my musician friends. 1947 02:06:22,859 --> 02:06:25,349 Adam Curry: Good cool. Do it. Do it. Do it do it. 1948 02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:32,040 Dave Jones: Boris Kozlowski through found and 11,333 sets he 1949 02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:36,210 says, Do we have a new term open podcasting? No. Not if not if 1950 02:06:36,210 --> 02:06:37,470 Adam has anything to do? No. 1951 02:06:37,500 --> 02:06:41,490 Adam Curry: Does podcasting podcast industrial complex and 1952 02:06:41,490 --> 02:06:42,780 closed podcasting? 1953 02:06:44,970 --> 02:06:48,930 Dave Jones: Let's see. Jeff Autons streamed a bunch of 69 1954 02:06:48,930 --> 02:06:52,230 through five through pod fans. This Jeff autogenous that name 1955 02:06:52,230 --> 02:06:53,250 sounds familiar, 1956 02:06:53,310 --> 02:06:57,240 Adam Curry: Jeff. No, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry, Jeff. 1957 02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:01,560 Dave Jones: If I'm Miss placing something. Thank you, Jeff. 1958 02:07:01,710 --> 02:07:07,500 source D 16,000. Will 16 says to boost CLI says with them 1959 02:07:07,500 --> 02:07:12,930 inception. Colon, exclamation point command. With the colon 1960 02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:15,930 bang them can run commands possibly a hack but still 1961 02:07:15,930 --> 02:07:21,150 happening via Vim. Su CD Archie PS don't forget to split 1962 02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:25,110 Adam Curry: I just got a clarification from blueberry. 1963 02:07:25,710 --> 02:07:29,700 About the what I was saying about the words that boosted and 1964 02:07:29,730 --> 02:07:32,130 I made up something completely new because that's not at all 1965 02:07:32,130 --> 02:07:36,570 what he was talking about. The 17,770 success thank you 1966 02:07:36,570 --> 02:07:39,900 blueberry Adam I was wanting to hook up boost bot to a shock 1967 02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:44,760 collar them like zap every time someone boosted our GIMP but 1968 02:07:44,760 --> 02:07:47,130 voice to boost sounds awesome to 1969 02:07:48,630 --> 02:07:52,350 Dave Jones: God Almighty people are wow 1970 02:07:52,859 --> 02:07:55,829 Adam Curry: so if you boost like 100,000 Set baller boost you 1971 02:07:55,829 --> 02:07:58,739 give you give the host a shock I like that idea 1972 02:08:00,300 --> 02:08:03,690 Dave Jones: this needs to be rigged up so whatever that that 1973 02:08:03,690 --> 02:08:05,460 six podcast was the 1974 02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,030 Adam Curry: whatever it was, yeah, court 1975 02:08:10,380 --> 02:08:11,580 Dave Jones: What's that lake Courtney? 1976 02:08:11,670 --> 02:08:13,830 Adam Curry: Oh, I forgot her name. Yeah, what I'm talking 1977 02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:17,310 about the one that the one that never got to value for value for 1978 02:08:17,310 --> 02:08:17,730 real? 1979 02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:21,300 Dave Jones: No, no, no, no Karen for mere mortals he on boarded 1980 02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:23,430 Adam Curry: her. Yeah, but is she still doing it? 1981 02:08:23,729 --> 02:08:27,509 Dave Jones: Yes, she had a she boosted in. Oh two pod news 1982 02:08:27,509 --> 02:08:30,599 weekly reviews saying that she's digging the boosts she's getting 1983 02:08:30,599 --> 02:08:31,199 through fountain 1984 02:08:31,229 --> 02:08:33,959 Adam Curry: Oh, I stand corrected. I didn't was that 1985 02:08:33,959 --> 02:08:37,859 today on partners weekly review. Yeah. Oh, I haven't. I haven't 1986 02:08:37,859 --> 02:08:40,679 heard that. I haven't gotten to the corner yet. Booster gram 1987 02:08:40,679 --> 02:08:43,769 corner corner shows and that guy hadn't heard it yet. Okay, good. 1988 02:08:43,769 --> 02:08:46,319 Well, thanks. Um, thank God I'm so happy that's good news. Yeah, 1989 02:08:46,349 --> 02:08:47,699 we're gonna get her shot caller 1990 02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:53,700 Dave Jones: again soon yeah, yeah. In the Forex at no agenda 1991 02:08:53,700 --> 02:08:59,070 social.com. Sent to pod verse sent 4884 says boom. Thank you 1992 02:08:59,070 --> 02:09:05,040 for your music. Thank you. Boom. Do you Borlaug? 11,711 SATs, the 1993 02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:08,670 pod verse. No, no, thank you Borlaug and the delimiter There 1994 02:09:08,670 --> 02:09:13,290 he is. Comic Strip blogger 30 3015 through fountain. He 1995 02:09:13,290 --> 02:09:17,160 says, How to gringos Adam and Dave. Here's a treat for your 1996 02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:20,640 listeners. under the radar. A fun snappy podcast on Apple 1997 02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,480 software. development@www.relay.fm forward 1998 02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:27,270 slash radar posted by two millionaires. 1999 02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:31,680 Adam Curry: Wow, can't wait. Okay. 2000 02:09:32,430 --> 02:09:34,410 Dave Jones: That one caught me off guard, hosted by two 2001 02:09:34,410 --> 02:09:37,740 millionaires, Marco Arment of Tumblr and overcast fame and 2002 02:09:37,740 --> 02:09:41,310 David Smith, creator of the viral widget Smith app. It's a 2003 02:09:41,310 --> 02:09:44,760 delightful 30 minute digital snack. Never longer than 30 2004 02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:46,620 minutes. Yo CSB 2005 02:09:46,740 --> 02:09:51,390 Unknown: golf extra blog. Thank you. 2006 02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:53,940 Adam Curry: Thank you CSB. Wonderful. How about some 2007 02:09:53,940 --> 02:09:54,570 monthlies? 2008 02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,390 Dave Jones: Oh, we got some monthlies. We got four of them 2009 02:09:57,510 --> 02:10:00,900 we got Trevor at Z Nora Limited is five dollars. Thank you Trev 2010 02:10:00,900 --> 02:10:07,470 or Paul Erskine $11.14 Thank you Paul. Michael Goggin $5. Thank 2011 02:10:07,470 --> 02:10:10,890 you, Michael and Charles current $5. Thank you, Charles. That's 2012 02:10:10,890 --> 02:10:11,370 our group. 2013 02:10:11,399 --> 02:10:13,859 Adam Curry: Yes. Thank you all so much. Let me check the tally 2014 02:10:13,859 --> 02:10:16,469 coin real quick. I checked it earlier, but I don't think 2015 02:10:16,469 --> 02:10:20,939 anything is in there because we do have two spots on the podcast 2016 02:10:20,939 --> 02:10:23,249 index.org website. If you go down to the bottom, you'll see 2017 02:10:23,249 --> 02:10:26,729 two red donate buttons, one for your Fiat food and fun coupons 2018 02:10:26,729 --> 02:10:29,459 as for PayPal, the other one for your on chain if you want to 2019 02:10:29,459 --> 02:10:33,089 send that to us. And of course, what we really recommend is go 2020 02:10:33,089 --> 02:10:36,929 to podcast apps.com Get a modern podcast app that does your 2021 02:10:36,929 --> 02:10:40,739 boosting. That gives you boost to Graham's get one if you want 2022 02:10:40,739 --> 02:10:43,409 if you want to participate in this show with some of the music 2023 02:10:43,409 --> 02:10:47,699 stuff. With has the what do we call it? Do we we just call that 2024 02:10:47,699 --> 02:10:50,609 value time splits doesn't remote item. I mean, we need to 2025 02:10:51,029 --> 02:10:54,269 something new some marketing. We need a marketing term for it. 2026 02:10:54,269 --> 02:10:54,659 You know? 2027 02:10:55,559 --> 02:10:57,719 Dave Jones: Because light lit that's a great marketing term. 2028 02:10:57,719 --> 02:10:57,839 It 2029 02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:04,170 Adam Curry: is good. Well lit at times news. VTS sounds like some 2030 02:11:04,170 --> 02:11:08,670 kind of venereal disease. Yes, the gun Korea but you are not 2031 02:11:08,670 --> 02:11:11,160 just supporting this podcast, you are really supporting the 2032 02:11:11,160 --> 02:11:14,460 entire project. We got the whole podcast index.org 2033 02:11:14,460 --> 02:11:18,360 infrastructure, you help our tables. Our deletion structure, 2034 02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:21,780 you help our if you heard about the aggregators, and of course 2035 02:11:21,780 --> 02:11:25,440 we put all of the Satoshis we receive right on to podcast 2036 02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:29,400 index.org The node, which we are happy to open up a channel to 2037 02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:32,130 you for any kind of liquidity, anything you want. And any other 2038 02:11:32,130 --> 02:11:35,610 experiments we're doing. Thank you so much for supporting us. 2039 02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:39,150 You just send back what you get out of it. That's what it is. 2040 02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,720 You can send it in time, talent, treasure, treasure is needed. 2041 02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:45,480 But the time and talent is just as appreciated. Thank you for 2042 02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:49,590 supporting his here at podcasting. 2.00 Somerset 2043 02:11:49,590 --> 02:11:52,620 Dave Jones: lit splits. I like the list. Split splits. Ooh, 2044 02:11:52,620 --> 02:11:53,220 that's nice. 2045 02:11:53,250 --> 02:11:54,870 Adam Curry: I like that a lot. Yeah, 2046 02:11:55,500 --> 02:11:58,320 Dave Jones: when I come back from vacation, I would like to, 2047 02:11:59,010 --> 02:12:03,750 I would like to go through the tags that we have so far. This 2048 02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:08,310 is a proposal border. All right. I would like to go through the 2049 02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:12,000 tags one by one, maybe not every single one. Because some some 2050 02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:14,910 don't really need a lot of discussion. But at least I would 2051 02:12:14,910 --> 02:12:20,280 like to go back through these. And I feel like there needs to 2052 02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:23,880 be some discussion around each one of these tags, and how to 2053 02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:34,410 make sure that we are properly wiring these up correctly. I'm 2054 02:12:34,410 --> 02:12:37,830 not sure exactly how to explain it. What I'm saying is like, the 2055 02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:42,150 spec exists. And we have software using the tags. And now 2056 02:12:42,150 --> 02:12:48,780 platforms using the tag, things are happening. And I want to 2057 02:12:48,780 --> 02:12:54,750 make sure that we do an overview of each and understand if we're 2058 02:12:54,750 --> 02:13:00,090 putting these things together properly in in making them work 2059 02:13:00,120 --> 02:13:01,230 as they should 2060 02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:04,530 Adam Curry: call it a platform review. 2061 02:13:05,550 --> 02:13:07,980 Dave Jones: Ooh, ooh, a PR P 2062 02:13:09,330 --> 02:13:11,850 Adam Curry: everything's an acronym. If Life's worth living, 2063 02:13:11,850 --> 02:13:13,260 it's worth acronym. Ising. 2064 02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:20,250 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's because I feel like for a good example, 2065 02:13:20,250 --> 02:13:23,010 this cast ematic Franco trying to implement, 2066 02:13:23,580 --> 02:13:25,410 Adam Curry: make sure it works for everybody. Yes, we 2067 02:13:25,410 --> 02:13:27,930 Dave Jones: gotta mate. Yeah, we gotta walk through this and see, 2068 02:13:27,930 --> 02:13:32,370 okay, here's the funding tag. What is what do we expect to be? 2069 02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:35,700 What was this thing created for? Here's how these apps are 2070 02:13:35,700 --> 02:13:40,230 implementing it. Whatever it is, can it be linked to other apps? 2071 02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:45,420 Excuse me? Can it be linked to other tags? I feel like we just 2072 02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:49,860 need to do a systematic review at a PR and figure out where 2073 02:13:49,860 --> 02:13:53,580 we're at. We make sure that everybody's on like that because 2074 02:13:53,700 --> 02:13:57,420 I need to know this stuff, too. Cuz I'm about to implement I 2075 02:13:57,420 --> 02:14:01,020 gotta go back and implement phase six tags in party time. I 2076 02:14:01,050 --> 02:14:04,740 don't even have them yet. Pod fans kicking my ass. I don't 2077 02:14:06,570 --> 02:14:09,870 Adam Curry: have more more tags than we do. Yeah, Mama 2078 02:14:09,870 --> 02:14:10,410 Dave Jones: loser. 2079 02:14:12,450 --> 02:14:14,280 Adam Curry: Winner Dave Jones. You're a winner. 2080 02:14:14,609 --> 02:14:15,689 Dave Jones: You're a winner. You're 2081 02:14:15,690 --> 02:14:19,020 Adam Curry: a winner. All right, dude, enjoy your vacation. Can 2082 02:14:19,020 --> 02:14:19,950 you tell us where you're going? 2083 02:14:20,490 --> 02:14:23,640 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're going to Southern California to Sequoia 2084 02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:24,420 National Park. Oh, I 2085 02:14:24,420 --> 02:14:26,880 Adam Curry: was gonna say nice. Sequoia. Have you ever been? 2086 02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:31,170 Never been? It's beautiful. It is. I mean, California for all 2087 02:14:31,170 --> 02:14:35,010 its weirdness is beautiful nature. No doubt about it. One 2088 02:14:35,010 --> 02:14:36,630 of the most beautiful parts of the country. 2089 02:14:37,260 --> 02:14:41,280 Dave Jones: I'm hoping that when I look on the heat map, I see 2090 02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:46,170 this little like an oasis of not a million degrees and I'm hoping 2091 02:14:46,170 --> 02:14:47,280 that that's where that's where 2092 02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,920 Adam Curry: you're gonna be. It will be much cooler there you'll 2093 02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,720 see it'll be much okay. I'm hoping 2094 02:14:51,719 --> 02:14:52,559 Dave Jones: altitude helps us. 2095 02:14:52,769 --> 02:14:54,899 Adam Curry: Remember everybody next week we will have a live 2096 02:14:54,899 --> 02:14:57,989 show will not be podcasting 2.0 boardroom it will be the 2097 02:14:58,019 --> 02:15:00,989 inaugural episode of The boosted grandpa All I hope you all show 2098 02:15:00,989 --> 02:15:04,349 up. And until then, chatroom, thank you very much everybody 2099 02:15:04,349 --> 02:15:06,599 listening. Have yourselves a great weekend. Dave Have a great 2100 02:15:06,599 --> 02:15:08,189 weekend brother and have a great vacation. 2101 02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:11,909 Dave Jones: You too, man. Mr. Gamble, 2102 02:15:12,689 --> 02:15:16,259 Adam Curry: crank it up there in the tent. We'll be back next 2103 02:15:16,259 --> 02:15:18,569 week everybody with the bush brown ball See you then 2104 02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:37,620 Unknown: you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit 2105 02:15:37,620 --> 02:15:41,010 podcast index.org For more information, 2106 02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:45,780 Adam Curry: go to podcast. I'm excited. Wow. Powerful