1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 30 2022, episode 104 We got a 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,300 new 3 00:00:10,230 --> 00:00:14,430 Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 everything going 4 00:00:14,430 --> 00:00:18,270 on? Well, you know what? Podcasting 2.0 It's the board 5 00:00:18,270 --> 00:00:20,400 meetings is where we come together every single week we 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,760 talk about what's going on our dreams, our wishes, and we try 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,300 to fulfill them all. Whatever is happening with the namespace out 8 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,720 there in the podcast, industrial complex. And of course, podcast 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,230 index dot social is where we have all the goo we like to talk 10 00:00:34,230 --> 00:00:36,480 about. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill 11 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,780 Country and an Alabama, a man who was happy it's international 12 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:43,410 podcast day, say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies 13 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:49,170 and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, you always fulfill my wishes, 14 00:00:49,170 --> 00:00:49,710 sweetheart. 15 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:54,090 And right off the bat, we're back where we left off. 16 00:00:55,410 --> 00:00:59,670 At the International podcast, epi International, maybe your 17 00:00:59,670 --> 00:01:01,440 numbers are right, and maybe they're not Puckett 18 00:01:02,850 --> 00:01:03,270 who, 19 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:07,830 who determines this to be international podcast day? I 20 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:10,800 don't understand. I mean, I wouldn't international podcast 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,910 community. I was not consulted on this. So I don't know. I've 22 00:01:14,910 --> 00:01:19,710 never really observed it. I'm a non observing podcast. Did you 23 00:01:19,710 --> 00:01:25,140 see Jordan? Jordan? Seeker last names and Blair. So Ben Jordan, 24 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,920 Jordan Blair. 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,020 She's one of the 26 00:01:29,070 --> 00:01:31,860 one of the hosts of the Bosque broadcast. Yeah, Busquets. Yeah, 27 00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:35,820 Jordan Blair. She tweeted the. She was so excited for 28 00:01:35,820 --> 00:01:39,150 international podcast day because she wanted to, I wanted 29 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:41,520 you to land on we wanted Adam curry to land on a roof and give 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,420 her presents or something. 31 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:51,630 Oh, oh, all right. I like I liked the idea, actually. Oh, 32 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:52,380 little girl. 33 00:01:53,610 --> 00:01:55,500 Let me see what I have in my sack. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,630 She said I'll be hanging up stockings tonight and hosted 35 00:02:00,630 --> 00:02:04,350 Adam curry fills them with audio gear. Oh, goodness. 36 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:11,190 Okay. All right. So what does it signify the start of podcasting? 37 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:14,880 Is there something? Is there a date? Like something was born on 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,210 this date? Do you know I mean, I just seems like, that's been a 39 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:22,140 thing. I don't know if I had to guess what it's about somehow. 40 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:23,640 It's about somebody making money. 41 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:26,310 You Yes. 42 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:30,270 Yeah, that's a wild guess. I mean, that never happens. That's 43 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:31,290 just a wild guess where? 44 00:02:32,370 --> 00:02:34,530 Well, I'm glad he's making money somewhere. I guess we should 45 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:38,910 just talk briefly about the Bloomberg article and the oh my 46 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:41,430 god, there's gambling going on there. 47 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:47,100 I'm shocked. I'm very shocked. You got my clips, right? Yes, I 48 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:49,380 do have your clip. Oh, do you Oh, you have clips about this? 49 00:02:49,410 --> 00:02:55,350 Oh, this, this in particular, but just about, about, about 50 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:59,370 other things that are tangential to this. Okay, so So let me 51 00:02:59,370 --> 00:03:02,070 start with just a little background Bloomberg 52 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:08,130 reported an article a reported an article that I Heart Radio in 53 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:10,320 particular, but it appears that there's some others who have 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:17,190 done it, we're buying downloads from mobile app games, where the 55 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:20,310 person would, you know, tap on an in game item that they would 56 00:03:20,310 --> 00:03:24,360 get a you know, a sword or a cape or something exciting, or, 57 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:28,380 you know, maybe some, some, some other kind of virtual money, 58 00:03:28,380 --> 00:03:32,460 whatever. And they'd have to listen to 20 seconds of a 59 00:03:32,460 --> 00:03:36,900 podcast would point over a minute, a minute or more have 60 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:40,950 been downloaded, which and this is the the true amazing part of 61 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:43,800 it, which according to the International Advertising Bureau 62 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,990 standards is constitutes a full download, which is fascinating. 63 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:53,070 But they were doing this to the tune of 6 million a month about 64 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:58,290 $10 million since 2018. Up until today, and the way the industry 65 00:03:58,290 --> 00:04:01,620 kind of responded was well, you know, it's it's valid. It's it's 66 00:04:01,620 --> 00:04:05,610 how it works. This is we all agree IAB says it's okay. And I 67 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:09,900 am and I want to relate my own personal experience to this. 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,310 Because it's, 69 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:15,450 you know, you've never done something like this, but you've 70 00:04:15,450 --> 00:04:16,740 been affiliated with something like this. 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,970 Here's how it goes in Silicon Valley. 72 00:04:22,019 --> 00:04:23,459 And I know this firsthand, 73 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,140 particularly with startups. And it doesn't matter if it's a 74 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:32,550 podcast if it's video that you're that you're have 75 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:35,700 advertisers watching doesn't matter if it's clicks if it's 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,220 signups registrations, anything you can think of anything you 77 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:45,330 need people for, there are companies who have these games. 78 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,730 The one I know about specifically at the time was 79 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:51,060 called monopoly. That was just the name of the company. I don't 80 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:53,160 know if that was the full company name, whatever. But you 81 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,250 know, companies like this and so the base has bold, that's a bold 82 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:57,120 name for your company. 83 00:04:58,380 --> 00:05:00,000 Thank you, but maybe that's just 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,880 How they were listed in the special index. 85 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:09,990 And they will come to CEOs or CFOs and say, hey, you know, if 86 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:12,000 you need some traffic or something, you know, you need 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,670 some signups for the end of the month you got the quarter coming 88 00:05:14,670 --> 00:05:16,740 up, you got to show your board, you have a board meeting, you 89 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:18,720 have a funding event, you need to show a chart. 90 00:05:19,859 --> 00:05:23,939 You know, you've got this money, so why don't you pay us $100,000 91 00:05:23,939 --> 00:05:29,639 And, and you know, that will result in $110,000 of revenue. 92 00:05:30,269 --> 00:05:32,969 Because we will, we will charge you less than you're getting 93 00:05:32,969 --> 00:05:36,209 from the advertisers. And they have to end these games. That's 94 00:05:36,209 --> 00:05:38,189 their workforce. You know, remember, we talked about 95 00:05:38,189 --> 00:05:40,289 Sphinx, where they have people in 96 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:48,570 the Philippines, Philippines, who are you know, teaching AI is 97 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:51,930 like, Okay, is there a man in this picture? This CC, you know, 98 00:05:51,930 --> 00:05:57,270 this closed circuit camera? Yes, yes. No, no, no. So teaching it, 99 00:05:57,420 --> 00:06:00,570 the same people are saying, oh, okay, I have to listen to this 100 00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:03,060 podcast now that now they're getting, they're not actually 101 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:05,730 playing a game. This is this is the part that I think Bloomberg 102 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,940 missed. These games are not games to play, like, Oh, my God, 103 00:06:08,940 --> 00:06:13,740 the game is to get as much money out of the monopoly company. 104 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040 Because they're paying their people it goes down the line. 105 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:22,890 And this is rampant throughout the industry. It started way 106 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:27,180 back when with clicks, and and page views, all of this. And 107 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:30,270 it's real people doing it distributed all around the 108 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:33,330 world. And I'll just add to that. 109 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:38,700 When, when you take a company public, 110 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:44,880 people will come to you who say, Hey, I'm a consultant. And I'm a 111 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,200 consultant in your business. And I would like to have warrants of 112 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,650 your stock. Now warrant is like a stock. But it's a it's a 113 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:56,460 particular kind of stock, it has restrictions, but you can sell 114 00:06:56,460 --> 00:07:00,450 it once the stock price reaches a certain price with and that 115 00:07:00,450 --> 00:07:03,450 you can sell that kind of as an insider deals. That's what all 116 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:06,840 the venture capital guys, they want a lot of warrants. That's 117 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,290 that's where the, that's where the big bonus money is. And they 118 00:07:10,290 --> 00:07:13,650 will say, hey, you know what? Your stock is? $5. Right now, 119 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:18,600 when it hits 12, then our warrants will, then our warrants 120 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,240 are good. Oh, that's great. What are you going to do? We're going 121 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,340 to promote your promote your company, we're going to talk to 122 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:25,350 people and we get them interested in the stock. And of 123 00:07:25,350 --> 00:07:28,380 course, what they actually do is it's a group of guys, and 124 00:07:28,380 --> 00:07:31,170 they're all They're trading the stock back and forth amongst 125 00:07:31,170 --> 00:07:33,780 each other. They trade the price up until it hits the price 126 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:37,320 point. They cash in there, their warrants. But but you're also 127 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,500 happy because your shareholders are happy, your employees are 128 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:44,250 happy, everybody's happy. And it's completely legal. 129 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:50,040 So that's the same that has been going on. And I would say with 130 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:54,600 and in this case, it looks like I heart. And this is this is the 131 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,870 best part because we were just talking about loops, not lists. 132 00:07:58,050 --> 00:08:01,470 So all of these Rancors are basically gamed. Yeah, that's 133 00:08:01,470 --> 00:08:04,350 like, and it makes sense. Okay, you and everyone agrees with us, 134 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,110 okay, you know, I heart they, they spend the money, they get 135 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:09,060 the views, they're top of the list. I mean, that's their 136 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:12,330 prerogative, it's their money. It's like, Does anyone see the 137 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:13,710 yumminess? And all this? 138 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,970 So you're saying, if I understand the way you're 139 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:21,270 describing this, right, you're saying that there are, let's 140 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:23,250 just say their games on, 141 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,440 like free to play type games on the App Stores, the mobile app 142 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:36,660 stores? That the, the 90% of the reason they exist? Is for is as 143 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:43,860 cover for this thing? Correct? And so that, so that you can, it 144 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:48,090 is a valid game. It's sure a valid thing that helps this and 145 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:52,440 maybe some real people play it, but but its real purpose is for 146 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:57,870 engineering, advertising numbers, correct. Or any type of 147 00:08:57,870 --> 00:09:01,260 numbers, any type of ranking, any type of action that needs to 148 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:05,310 be that is repetitive. And bonus. Sometimes the game is a 149 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:09,060 hit just because of the game. Right? Yeah, that can be your 150 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:11,610 bonus. But meanwhile, you make a game. 151 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:16,200 You know? Yeah, it's got to be a free to play game. 152 00:09:17,310 --> 00:09:20,520 And I am and there's there's from the App Store standpoint, 153 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,230 there's nothing that triggers there's no 154 00:09:23,580 --> 00:09:26,040 shenanigans. Oh, well, that's me. That's the amazing thing is 155 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,720 I've listened to different people. 156 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:31,650 You know, new media show and the one you were on, it was in the 157 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:36,300 pod, last pod land and pod news. I read around and you know, the 158 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,740 basic consensus is, oh, you know, I mean, I know it seems 159 00:09:40,740 --> 00:09:43,380 weird, but you know, some people might actually be listening to 160 00:09:43,380 --> 00:09:46,320 those to those 20s. They might listen longer, they might 161 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,830 subscribe. You know, clearly advertising works because you 162 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:53,760 know, people keep doing it. And they must be getting an ROI. The 163 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,670 joke in advertising is I know that half of my advertising is 164 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:59,970 working. I just don't know which half that's the job. 165 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,020 So and you know, it's not all attributable it's not all you 166 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,170 can't really track your ROI to where it's coming from. In 167 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:09,990 general, it's you know, it's very hard. It's it's 168 00:10:14,370 --> 00:10:17,520 you know, IAB says, you know that I mean, I don't understand 169 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,810 how that can be a valid download if it's one minute of audio. 170 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,080 Well, we talked about it last it was either last week or the week 171 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,670 before we talked about and get that A B. In Geo. Todd was 172 00:10:29,670 --> 00:10:32,850 saying, there's some people who are hostile to IB and I'm like, 173 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:36,360 You know what, from our standpoint, we don't truly care 174 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,730 about that kind of thing, because that advertising is not 175 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:46,530 our game. But it but it is, this is good. This is a really clear 176 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:48,240 indication of how 177 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:54,510 how inaccurate and just wild west that whole thing is to put 178 00:10:54,510 --> 00:10:59,760 us sort of the IB. The way I see the IB is not necessarily with 179 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,860 contempt, it's just with irrelevancy, because, like I'm 180 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,580 I'm sorry if there's any irritation that I have with the 181 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:13,290 IB is that they charge people $50,000 To put a veil of 182 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:16,680 legitimacy over a thing that's completely This is not new I 183 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:22,200 mean, you calm was at comScore, you had to subscribe to really 184 00:11:22,290 --> 00:11:25,260 participate in their bid list. If you're if you've got money, 185 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:27,570 there's people are going to take it away from you for this very 186 00:11:27,570 --> 00:11:28,500 reason in this 187 00:11:29,610 --> 00:11:34,650 all the time all the time. But you know, but here's here's, 188 00:11:35,490 --> 00:11:38,760 here's something with this knowledge now just like oh, no, 189 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,300 okay. Yeah, like, oh, boy, surprise. And, you know, 190 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,230 there's, there's some indication that Bloomberg themselves might 191 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:49,440 have been doing this. But everyone does it. Yeah. And you 192 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,100 have to understand it's like with all the unicorns I 193 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:54,240 guarantee you that 194 00:11:55,290 --> 00:11:59,160 every single company has employed these at some point 195 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,090 where you need a boost or your your, your your curve on your 196 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,240 your spend sometimes it's just you're not spending enough. What 197 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,780 are you spending on? Oh, look at this at the marketing you know, 198 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:14,340 the bill comes literally like, like webcam porn bill on your 199 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:17,610 credit card, you know, marketing service. Like it Yeah. 200 00:12:19,530 --> 00:12:23,550 This got some clips. This may tie into a little bit of with 201 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,300 marketing and advertising stuff. This was bought. So Goldman 202 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:30,480 Sachs, they had their big conference. Recently, last 203 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,710 couple of weeks, I think 204 00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:36,990 was two weeks ago, I think two weeks ago. It's like calm 205 00:12:38,610 --> 00:12:41,640 calm aversion. I forget what they called us things something 206 00:12:41,670 --> 00:12:45,780 goofy. But they were just interviews with Bob back ish 207 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:46,860 from CBS 208 00:12:48,690 --> 00:12:52,110 about he talked a lot about their about streaming services 209 00:12:52,110 --> 00:12:53,430 and about it was it 210 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,560 was the name of their Paramount plus their offering and all this 211 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:02,160 kind of stuff. We had a couple of things to say about 212 00:13:02,580 --> 00:13:06,660 advertising. If you want to hit clip one this is because sort of 213 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:09,690 his his his thoughts about what's going on with advertising 214 00:13:09,690 --> 00:13:13,800 now and soon. I'm not saying the world is as it was in history. 215 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,940 But the notion of 23 is doom and gloom, which is out there. I 216 00:13:17,940 --> 00:13:20,460 think it's overplayed. So that's what I mean by the ad market 217 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:24,330 weaknesses overplayed? Certainly for us, we're seeing a positive 218 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:27,990 trend line in the year, Q will choose better than q1. q3 is 219 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:31,590 better than q2 and q4 will be better than q3. Hmm. 220 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,000 Yeah. So, but Okay, so why do you think 221 00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:41,880 in the television streaming, advertising business? 222 00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:47,850 What could it be? That is going to cause him to be so confident? 223 00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:50,610 He's, he's confident his q3 numbers and that he's going to 224 00:13:50,610 --> 00:13:55,110 be very confident in q4? What I mean, what do you think's going 225 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:59,490 on here in, in in television advertising? I have no clue. I 226 00:13:59,490 --> 00:14:02,310 mean, and I don't know, maybe television advertising is doing 227 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:05,940 great. It seems to me like everyone's cutting budgets. I 228 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:10,050 don't know how he's gonna answer it. Initially, yes. And clipped 229 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:15,240 to your old familiar buddies. So that's encouraging. That's a 230 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,660 function of the share games, particularly the CBS broadcast 231 00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:22,980 network. It's a function of the upfront we laid, which was 232 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:26,670 really all you up front, we sold significantly more inventory. So 233 00:14:26,670 --> 00:14:30,150 we're not that dependent on scatter. And it's election 234 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:32,400 specific categories, obviously political. 235 00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:37,140 I like in the back half of this year, but also pharma, which was 236 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:41,610 a big category for us coming back. Pharma. Yeah, like coming 237 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:45,390 back elections in pharma. So they he's confident in quarter 238 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:50,070 four numbers, not because they had scatter as he calls it, but 239 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:54,750 because they had too big too big industry buys elections, and 240 00:14:54,750 --> 00:14:59,970 pharma. That's the No no, well, no, we know what two things the 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,090 That podcasting advertising does not have Yeah, a live 242 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:10,560 podcast advertising is highly dependent on scatter. So yes, 243 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:13,650 he's he's doing great CBS because they don't have to worry 244 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:16,680 about scatter wells what podcasting gets scatter? Yeah, 245 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:19,710 he doesn't have to worry about it until q1 and everything. 246 00:15:20,910 --> 00:15:24,690 Then he's got some problems. Then he's just got Pharma. Yeah, 247 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,400 huh. Well, no, I think Pfizer has done some, some Viagra ads 248 00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:30,180 here and there 249 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,680 hypsi They do everything with the hips. No, they weren't. They 250 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,740 weren't. It was Pharma. I don't know who maybe that was a. What 251 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:40,590 was that for? I can't remember. Now, I don't get that ad 252 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:43,080 anymore. When I listened to new media show now I get to nice 253 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,590 again, nice. Like some financial services I don't need. 254 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:51,000 He follows it up with a little bit of talk about programmatic 255 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,820 if you want to play yesterday, I don't feel like we're right now 256 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:56,370 people think that the market is is weakest, they're worried it's 257 00:15:56,370 --> 00:15:58,950 going to become I mean, you're not really seeing a particularly 258 00:15:58,950 --> 00:16:02,280 weak ad market right now. Are you? That's another part of the 259 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,190 overblown markets actually, pretty good. I mean, the 260 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:08,790 programmatic side is weak, but the linear side is pretty good. 261 00:16:10,110 --> 00:16:13,800 But it's more people are talking negative about the ad market 262 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:17,730 valuations metrics have come in. And people are talking about an 263 00:16:17,730 --> 00:16:20,700 extended slowdown, which again, I just don't think I don't know. 264 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:24,660 You know, it's a prediction. But what I'm seeing I'm feeling 265 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:29,220 better about 23 than then the general narrative. Yes, approach 266 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:32,310 programmatic is weak is what he said, you know, he doesn't he's 267 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:34,950 by his numbers, because he doesn't have scatter. These are 268 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,060 all podcasting, advertising is on the wrong side of all of 269 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:43,410 these things. Yes. I mean, that's why, look, when I figured 270 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:47,220 this out, you know, when we started pod show, the whole idea 271 00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:51,210 was to change advertising. And so that's when you know, we're 272 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:53,640 doing and wasn't like a big change, because it's been going 273 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,080 on and radio for a long time. But you had the additional, you 274 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,600 know, now you had an interactive part where you could send people 275 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,260 to a website and use a promo code. And, and that was that was 276 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:09,570 kind of working, it surely would not scale the way you would ever 277 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:12,750 imagine. And then, you know, and then we started, brands started 278 00:17:12,750 --> 00:17:15,480 dipping their toes in, and they're having a real hard time. 279 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,800 And look right now, Twitter. 280 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:19,200 I think it was at 281 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:24,480 Nike, and like two big brands pulled all their advertising, 282 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,020 because there's some, you know, kiddie Porn was discovered on 283 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:32,250 the platform. You know, yeah, it's a nightmare. This is always 284 00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:34,830 a nightmare. And you know, he says, Yeah, linear is doing 285 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:38,490 okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think this, I think it's a 286 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:41,520 problem. Advertising is important. I'm not sure. And I 287 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,000 don't care. Let me let you before we play the last clip. We 288 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,040 don't even have to play it if you don't want to, but you can. 289 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Don't feeling froggy. No. So we, we did an experiment. And I 290 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,150 added the no agenda, Sunday and Thursday, show to Opie three, 291 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,190 the open podcast, 292 00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:02,670 pre prefix, 293 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:05,640 Project projects, thank you. 294 00:18:07,380 --> 00:18:10,470 So we could see what's going on, and see how it worked. And the 295 00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:14,430 system held up and there was just a lot of cool looking 296 00:18:14,430 --> 00:18:19,440 charts and numbers and big numbers and smaller numbers. And 297 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,500 so the, the reason why I felt okay with doing this is because 298 00:18:22,530 --> 00:18:25,650 I don't really care, it just doesn't really matter. But what 299 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:29,430 I noticed is, as you know, as the posting goes back and forth, 300 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:32,670 and you're drilling down and look at this, I'm like, I'm 301 00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:35,580 getting, am I getting more and more interested about how many 302 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:38,940 people listen to this, I had to stop myself, it's like, no, 303 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:42,750 because you'll never know, you'll never know you're just 304 00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:46,410 not gonna, and then I flip over to the lb stats. And I can see 305 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:48,330 that, you know, on this show. 306 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:53,400 Seven minutes in, there's 59 People who are streaming sites, 307 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:56,670 you know, that just shows me that right there. And I, and I'm 308 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:59,340 really good about that, like 59 people are listening at that 309 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:02,760 very moment. And someone sent to boost here. And look at that 310 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,460 line barely, barely tapers off. Have you seen our that we just 311 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:12,750 had some stats in the I haven't had the evolution? I should 312 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:17,670 look, it's very exciting. It's so funny how and you don't like 313 00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:19,560 I just don't care that much about stats. 314 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:24,810 But these stats are cool. You look at that. I mean, because 315 00:19:24,810 --> 00:19:28,230 that's actual data and it shows that people are listening pretty 316 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:30,570 much all the way through the through the show to the board 317 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:30,960 meeting. 318 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,580 Which was nice you know, what's funny is the the only thing that 319 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:38,340 we can say for sure after 320 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:44,550 after one round of of the no agenda show being on op three. 321 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:51,030 Is that the lit the number of listeners is somewhere between 322 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:57,180 90,700 1000 Yeah, that's kind of the impression I got plus walk 323 00:19:57,180 --> 00:19:59,970 where where that is. I have no idea 324 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,800 If Well, if the total amount of listeners is 90,000, then every 325 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,820 single one of them has way too much dispensable income. Yeah, 326 00:20:08,820 --> 00:20:12,150 that that can't be the case can't be right. It's way north 327 00:20:12,150 --> 00:20:18,090 of that. The weather how, how far south of 700,000? It is. I 328 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:21,090 don't know, I've been looking. It's this has been a pet project 329 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:24,030 all week of, I thought you didn't care about stats. And now 330 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:28,230 that this is the priority to hear you our stats, but like on 331 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:33,150 our show, that I was talking about stats, okay. Now be stats 332 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:34,800 stats is also our stats. 333 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:41,730 Yeah, no, well, I'm like, this is more this is less of an 334 00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:45,300 interest in like stats for the sake of figuring things out for 335 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:49,290 myself. Now, you're a horror data. Don't ever date a whore? 336 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,020 Yes, the data whore. And so I'm like, 337 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,980 you know, I just want to see these numbers that I can't make 338 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:57,060 any sense out of. 339 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,590 I just want to make some sense out of looking at them. And so 340 00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:02,250 I'm like, Okay, 341 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:06,870 let me let me figure out a different way to slice Oh, no, I 342 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:09,600 know. Now, this is what's irritating me. I can feel you 343 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,080 doing this. And I know that it never ends. This rabbit hole 344 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,910 does not end with meeting Alice. 345 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:20,730 It ends with the IAB with some compromise. Yeah, that's what it 346 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:24,210 ends. So I just hope you don't spend the rest of your life 347 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:29,760 doing this. No, I'm, I'm slowly getting bored. As what's what is 348 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 happening? And, you know, I was like, I'm marginally interested. 349 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,810 But you know, obviously, what's what's what's happening here is 350 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:38,880 this. There's nothing that's really of interest to me if 351 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,310 there's a chart that I could look at, but that's kind of 352 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:46,470 cool. But again, I know it has it has no relationship to how I 353 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:50,340 feel about the program. How we did you know? 354 00:21:51,390 --> 00:21:55,560 Now, I don't know, I think the value value is just a lot a lot 355 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,310 better. For me. It's like, okay, we didn't get as much. Maybe we 356 00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:01,740 didn't do something right. Let's talk about everyone. Okay. All 357 00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:04,080 right, move on. Do better. And it works. 358 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,950 And then look at the dashboard. Now that's pretty that's pretty 359 00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:10,890 solid. I mean, I know. People don't drop off really? 360 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:16,470 Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's like, it's pretty, it's pretty 361 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:20,130 good. I mean, like, there's just like this. ever so slight dip. 362 00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:22,860 Towards the end. That's, that's about it. 363 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:30,720 Yeah, no, I don't the winning so naive. I will. I will echo Todd 364 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,440 Cochran ins, 365 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:38,190 you know, warnings about stats in calculations. 366 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:43,620 And I think in retrospect, I should take his warnings as 367 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,830 this is not fun. 368 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:51,150 He's trying to figure out what comes from what and what's 369 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,840 the target. It's never ending. It's never ending. But what I 370 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,320 like and what I would love to have, what I really enjoyed 371 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:02,940 looking at is all the refer. 372 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,500 You know what apps they are. That's cool. That's really 373 00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:08,550 that's interesting. 374 00:23:09,570 --> 00:23:14,430 I got people listening to me on the Roku. Yeah, yeah, that's 375 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:18,930 funny stuff. Yeah, the Roku. And also stuff. I've never heard of 376 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:22,620 stage fright. What is stage fright? Right? I mean, and these 377 00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:26,370 I think are, maybe they're, what do you call them? What's the 378 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,930 what's that open source? 379 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,400 Everyone uses it. You can you can load it on the Umbral now. 380 00:23:34,110 --> 00:23:37,770 So it's a media server, media server, and you can load 381 00:23:37,770 --> 00:23:41,880 different apps. Apps on it. Yes. Podcast, like Plex or something. 382 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,850 That's it Plex. Okay. Stuff like that. 383 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Yeah, that was kind of fun. Yeah. What you see quickly are 384 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,040 in the numbers is like, okay, clusters, clusters of downloads 385 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,550 coming from, like big clusters of downloads coming from a 386 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,970 single IP address, but different apps. Yeah, you're like, Okay, 387 00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:06,270 well, this is a this is a VPN. Yeah. Okay. Well, that VPN, 388 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:09,660 you'll never know what that means. You can't pull numbers 389 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:12,690 out of that. It's just a big blob. And it's a big, 390 00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:14,370 inscrutable blob. 391 00:24:15,690 --> 00:24:19,680 So I mean, you just like you just give up. It just solidified 392 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,960 that this is the podcast industrial complex and the 393 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:28,770 numbers. It's been 20 years. It's still a it's a cluster F. 394 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:32,130 It's the same with Nielsen ratings is the same with 395 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:38,100 everything isn't then I'm just not getting the value out of out 396 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,160 of the hole. It bugs me more than anything. It's like that 397 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:47,310 just No, no. I drilled down on one IP, one IP hash. It was one 398 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:52,200 IP hash with an apple podcast user agent. And it had something 399 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,970 like 40,000 range requests. I'm like, this is not possible. 400 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,000 What's your range request our array of you were you 401 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,030 we're downloading little bits and pieces at a time partials, 402 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,400 partials when you're straight, you're just streaming and like, 403 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,180 well, there's no way that somebody listens to this podcast 404 00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:12,630 at seven times in a row. Right? Right here doesn't make any 405 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:16,560 sense. Yeah. So but that's exactly it. And you, and I've 406 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,470 been doing this since 1990s. Five, with the advanced 407 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:28,200 statistics Analysis Program ASAP, where we did web stats for 408 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Yeah, grep, basically. And it's always been fluffy at best. You 409 00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:39,690 know, is there a lot of validity to having this data and not 410 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:43,170 looking at it as stats for advertising? Oh, hell yeah. I'm 411 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:44,250 glad I can contribute. 412 00:25:45,270 --> 00:25:46,830 I think hopefully, it was helpful. 413 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:52,740 Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's fun to look at and try to like, I 414 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:54,900 see it as a big. Here's another. 415 00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:59,460 Here's another way that this could go. You know what, 416 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:01,470 actually what we should bring our guest and that way, because 417 00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:05,790 I think this may revolve around him too. I'm glad you reminded 418 00:26:05,790 --> 00:26:08,010 me. I've forgotten him twice already today. 419 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:12,720 Just kidding. He's asleep in the lobby. Welcome to 420 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:17,940 open up the door. Welcome to the board meeting. Co Founder of 421 00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:23,250 iv.fm. Mike van Haida hide, I did it. I screwed it up, even 422 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,580 though I knew better. Mike van Hyde. Hey, Mike. That's great. 423 00:26:26,580 --> 00:26:27,780 Thank you very much for having me. 424 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:32,910 I'm sorry. It's the Dutch in me like I want to say, as my fun hi 425 00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:36,180 to Hey, Michael. Yeah, that's what I want to do. 426 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:42,330 Your original pronunciation? How Dutch? Are you, Mike? I mean, 427 00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:45,360 how far does that get back in your family? Oh, wait a long, 428 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,890 long way. So it's, we know it's probably Dutch, but I don't I 429 00:26:49,890 --> 00:26:52,230 don't know that we now you know, trace it back to Europe or 430 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:54,960 anything. Oh, so you haven't been to the Motherland to go. 431 00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:57,570 Oh, goodness. Okay. 432 00:26:58,830 --> 00:27:00,210 Well, welcome, Mike. 433 00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:04,530 And I think maybe we should just start off by you telling us 434 00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:08,820 about IV dot IFAM, which I haven't used pretty much at all. 435 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280 But I understand this is a great way to search and to keep track 436 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,100 of things, all things podcasting. Is that fair to say? 437 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:18,600 Yes, I think so. 438 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:25,590 So iv.fm, what we're trying to do is to sort of understand 439 00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:29,010 exactly what each episode is about what people are involved 440 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:33,270 with topics, and then let the listener follow or explore from 441 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:37,710 there. And so, as an example, you were on Glenn Beck a few 442 00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:41,790 days ago, and someone that was listening to his podcast might 443 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:44,580 not be familiar with you. And so you would you would be right 444 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,580 there. And think like, oh, Adam curry I liked I liked this 445 00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:50,070 segment. And then they could click More and follow you and 446 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:52,020 see all the podcasts are associated with all the other 447 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:56,820 interviews you've done. And it's we have a million topics that we 448 00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,240 follow. And so you can follow any of those the same way you 449 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,040 would follow a podcast. Wow, my popularity peaked around 2021. 450 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:08,670 That was probably a Rogan episode. Could I drill down into 451 00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:11,730 that and find out what was so I was so popular. That's just kind 452 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:16,020 of cool. We did what's on the website is cash, but I could 453 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:19,830 definitely send you the for the full list. That's That's really 454 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:22,830 interesting. Can you make it so anything people search for 455 00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:24,360 brings up me? That would be 456 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,620 okay, I was looking I was doing some searches a couple of days 457 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:36,330 ago, around in the app, and I was looking at things that how 458 00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:39,660 do you I mean, you're you're really accurate with pulling 459 00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:40,500 things out. 460 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,670 Like you can follow a person down to shows like with title in 461 00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:52,110 the description. Are you using like a machine learning model? 462 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:55,980 Or what are you what are you doing there? i It's hard to say 463 00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:58,410 the heuristics get complicated and more complicated. And I 464 00:28:58,410 --> 00:29:01,050 don't know at what point they become ml. But 465 00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:06,060 we do we do have a system that is proprietary that we built it 466 00:29:06,090 --> 00:29:10,500 treats every field in the RSS separately. So there's a one 467 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,810 thing that's working on like keywords in person tags and 468 00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:15,240 other thing that works on the titles and other on the 469 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,450 descriptions. And then the idea is just sort of all those work 470 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:21,210 together to sort of identify all the pieces parts of the of it. 471 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:24,180 The main thing we don't use this may be surprising is the 472 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:27,570 transcript data itself. We've looked at that a bit. It's just 473 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:31,110 a little bit messy. But I think at some point as we might 474 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:35,580 incorporate that as well. This is clearly your your wheelhouse 475 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:41,160 is is the search and like key. I hate to call it even keywords 476 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,010 because it's not really keyword you're sort of like taking 477 00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:47,700 taking bits of data and making sort of making tokens out of 478 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,550 them. It feels like exactly because it's not it's not just 479 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:55,380 people it's also you know, the the, the you know, hash the hash 480 00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:59,970 topics, hashtag people. This is interesting. Oh, 481 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,300 Um, what are you pulling in? Are you pulling in the person tag or 482 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,170 location? Like, what tags are you consuming? For this in 483 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:10,920 particular? It's the the title, the description, the keywords 484 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,590 and the person tag. Okay, okay. Amen. My, my podcast with my 485 00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:19,440 wife isn't in here, you're not you're thinking, Oh, man. 486 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,740 This is no good. So you don't you're not pulling in from the 487 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:30,150 index, then we pull some from the index. There is 488 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960 you mostly aligned with apple that we do have pot, obviously, 489 00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:36,150 we have this podcast, we have some other ones that are not an 490 00:30:36,150 --> 00:30:41,130 apple. Apple helps us with some popularity measurement. So 491 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,380 that's, that's sort of why we like to do that. But we'll add 492 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:46,080 anything. There's no, there's no like allegiance to Apple or 493 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,770 anything. Now, let me let me ask you about that connection with 494 00:30:49,770 --> 00:30:53,280 Apple. So how do you get that data? Is there some kind of 495 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,360 developer program that you can hook into their API? No, I mean, 496 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,320 it's all sort of public. And so we pull in a number of sources 497 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,290 to try and understand the listening guide, as best we can. 498 00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:06,930 Our you know, our, we're pretty small. So our listening data 499 00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:09,870 would give you kind of random results, I think it would be 500 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:13,800 very skewed. And so this sort of, I think it was Kennedy 501 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,950 original topic, when you when you open the podcast is probably 502 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:18,810 directionally correct, maybe, but it wouldn't trust the 503 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:22,650 numbers. Exactly. And are you worried about Apple ever waking 504 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:26,700 up and deciding to not make that public? I think that's a 505 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,380 possibility. That's what we're trying to pull from a number of 506 00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,580 sources besides apple, but Right, so far, it hasn't been a 507 00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:34,890 problem yet. But we're we're definitely expanding beyond 508 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,280 beyond apple. Now. Is this a company? Are you guys making 509 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,190 money? I mean, what is what's the business model? So we do not 510 00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:47,790 make money, we lose money. The company is this, my wife and I 511 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:49,860 actually podcasting my friend. 512 00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:51,810 Podcasting 513 00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:55,080 will make it up in volume. 514 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,270 We're looking at some ways to make money, I think the data 515 00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:04,230 itself is actually 516 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,310 boost, I can see of avenues where it would be really 517 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:11,610 interesting to folks. And then there's, you know, probably ways 518 00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:14,640 that we could do things. There's certainly the value providers, 519 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280 something I was hoping to get before before we talk today, or 520 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,500 in some edge cases, and I'm terrified of taking people's 521 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,840 money. So we we backed off for now, but that is something in 522 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,470 the works. But there should be like avenues to help 523 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:26,370 advertisers. 524 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,390 Identify podcasts. And we think there's a lot of a lot of angles 525 00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:33,810 here. Just typing some stuff in I'm very impressed at how the 526 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,540 how the search works. I mean, that's cool. And then the 527 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:40,860 results you get back at I see. apologizes hadn't haven't had an 528 00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:42,900 opportunity to really mess around. And I'm just doing on 529 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,800 the web. So I can imagine the app is a million times more 530 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,070 interesting to interact with this cool, man, I really like 531 00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:53,280 it. Thank you for the interesting. So the trending 532 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,690 topics I'm seeing it's 533 00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:58,710 at least on the side, I'm not I don't have my phone next to me. 534 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,240 So I don't know about the app yet. But 535 00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:04,440 and I think it was the same this morning on the app to a 536 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,400 hurricane in hurricanes, Joe Biden, Russia, Ron DeSantis, 537 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000 cue, like, these, these trending topics? Are those coming from 538 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,670 Apple? Are those coming from your own analysis? No, no, these 539 00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:18,510 are all from our own analysis. The trending is sort of we take 540 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,600 what we know, we know about how many episodes should appear for 541 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,570 each topic. And so to the extent that there's more than we would 542 00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:28,110 anticipate, that's how we sort of ranked the trending. And so 543 00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:31,290 that's where you see Hercynian and Nord Stream, being sort of 544 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:33,900 the top two, and then we're trying to provide more context 545 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,990 like, Well, why are those trending? And that's where we do 546 00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:40,200 keywords that are trending with those. And that's where you get, 547 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,440 you know, hurricanes trending with Hurricane Ian, or Joe 548 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,710 Biden, or Cuban or Ron DeSantis. And then off to the side, we're 549 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:50,820 also pulling in 10,000, New sources, because they're also 550 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:54,540 RSS, so it's easy to kind of do the same operation on so we can 551 00:33:54,540 --> 00:33:57,630 give extra context of like, you know, why is it this thing? 552 00:33:59,010 --> 00:34:01,920 trending? Well, because, you know, a lot of this thing can be 553 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,870 an expert in everything. And there are things that come up 554 00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:06,510 here, and I think, oh, there's a bug or what is that weird thing? 555 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,730 And then nobody is wrestling or it's something else that I'm 556 00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:10,410 not, you know, this not in my wheelhouse. 557 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:14,220 Okay, so that's, that's interesting, because on the on 558 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,820 the app, you don't get I didn't see the news. I don't guess 559 00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:21,210 that's in there. It's good for screenspace. That's true. You 560 00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:24,090 know, the app is something that we need to circle back to, and I 561 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:26,190 think probably needs a complete rewrite. 562 00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,180 Most of our development, attention has been on the 563 00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:33,090 website. So question, since we're kind of talking about 564 00:34:33,090 --> 00:34:35,220 stats and stuff to bring it back to that. 565 00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:40,410 And I have another idea about this for later. Would it be 566 00:34:40,410 --> 00:34:46,920 helpful if you could get maybe it's a 1% split that you could 567 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,480 get from a number of podcasts that would send to you so that 568 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,940 you could do more precise tracking? I mean, 569 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,530 we're talking about all the stats right and what is really, 570 00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,970 I mean, download 571 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,660 Some partials and range requests and everything. Whereas I look 572 00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:06,780 at the get Alby stats, I'm gonna like, okay, of the people that 573 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:10,380 are used listening to my podcast and value for value, which, 574 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,280 whatever that number is, here's, here's the, this is actual 575 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,480 listens per minute. Wouldn't that be, like a fantastic data 576 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,240 source? And I mean, I could see where, I mean, I've put us 577 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,870 percent split in there, so that you can do some stuff with that. 578 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:28,200 And it just seems like such an obvious thing. And you 579 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560 contribute to the to the service, who's providing the 580 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,890 stats? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, maybe that could be something 581 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,560 that would sort of jive with the with the LP three stuff. 582 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,070 But yeah, we track actually every 10 seconds. So as people 583 00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:45,150 listen, so that's helpful for our own internal usage. But 584 00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:47,880 right, you know, it's still it's kind of bias to what people are 585 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,960 listening to on IV. 586 00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:53,820 Right. I was just thinking that when an opportunity, you know, 587 00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:58,680 or maybe there's so many cool services, we can do. I mean, I 588 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,030 was, what is that? 589 00:36:01,590 --> 00:36:05,340 Someone posted to this open source transcription software, 590 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:10,650 which apparently does okay, like 85 90% accuracy? Every day, I 591 00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:14,400 think. Yeah. I mean, the Whisper, whisper. Yeah, whisper 592 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:19,560 Yeah. So Well, I mean, if I, if I haven't, I think if I were a 593 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,870 developer, I might possibly say you don't want to set up a 594 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:26,430 service here. And you get your transcript in return for a 595 00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:28,200 split. Done. 596 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,150 Okay, this just fits into something. So I had a phone call 597 00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:38,790 with the guy yesterday and guy about a thing, a guy, a guy. And 598 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:44,190 we were talking about this about transcripts and chapters, in a 599 00:36:44,190 --> 00:36:47,880 way, too, because they have some ideas for for providing 600 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,800 transcripts and chapter services. 601 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:57,900 And the discussion really, kind of stalled because we were think 602 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:03,000 we were just brainstorming, how you could link up these things 603 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,210 between a hosting company and, and the third party service. So 604 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:11,340 you have a third party service is going to provide you let's 605 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:12,540 just say transcripts. 606 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:16,680 Well, and then you got a hosting company where the podcaster is 607 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,650 going to create their episode, they pumped they they launch, 608 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,970 they record their episode, upload it to the host, publish 609 00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:28,470 it. Now you've got now they want to use this third party service 610 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:33,270 to do their to do their transcript. And the idea is that 611 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:37,020 you would have the ability to post an episode, 612 00:37:38,070 --> 00:37:43,050 and then just do nothing. Like you're you're done. You don't 613 00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:47,670 have the story. Yeah, no. Three, has the transcript automatically 614 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:51,570 generate on this third party service? Yeah. Then no, then 615 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,000 somehow let the hosting company know that it's finished. And 616 00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,420 then it gets pulled into the RSS of the episode. 617 00:38:01,650 --> 00:38:06,330 Well, like that's, you could make an integration. There's 618 00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:09,030 some sort of API back and forth integration, but you know, 619 00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:12,420 integrations break and, and who knows if this is much of a 620 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:15,270 moneymaker. And like, things like that, there are things out 621 00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:20,820 there like the like that in that category of, of a want to do. 622 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,270 There are things out there like that, that I feel like there's 623 00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:25,500 needs to be some sort of 624 00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:28,650 loose connectivity 625 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:32,790 between between parts almost like, 626 00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:35,820 because everything is decentralized, and you want to 627 00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:38,520 maintain the decentralization towards decentralized nature. 628 00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:41,880 You sort of also want to decentralize the connectivity 629 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,850 between things, I want to be able to say, well, here's my, 630 00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:51,180 here's my podcast, over at over at blueberry. Yeah. And here's 631 00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:55,170 my hosting, here's my transcript company I want to use. And then 632 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:57,180 here's my chapters company, I don't want to use, which is 633 00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,960 another one. And I want to like, link all this stuff together, 634 00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:05,280 where it all works. But I don't want to require that the hosting 635 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,980 companies and these other two companies all do a bunch of back 636 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:12,600 end API integration. There's got to be a solution to this. And I 637 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,610 feel like I haven't told you a little bit about pod pain, 638 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:18,060 meaning, I don't know if all the solutions need to come from the 639 00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:19,170 hosting companies. 640 00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:25,200 No, I mean, I mean, there's slugs, there's all kinds of 641 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,700 things that I mean, hosting companies. No, it's, I think any 642 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:33,030 hosting company can see just look at the namespace. There's 643 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:38,280 your roadmap, choose which order you want to do it in, and how 644 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:41,490 and how and for them, I think the way Buzzsprout does, it 645 00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:44,490 makes the most sense. And others do it, of course, is you know, 646 00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:47,910 contract out to a transcription service. I mean, now I think we 647 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:51,600 got Rube Goldberg machine. What I'm talking about is I don't 648 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,900 have a hosting service or just whatever whatever it is, but 649 00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,450 even if I have a hosting service, and here's a here's a 650 00:39:57,450 --> 00:39:59,970 cool add on that I don't really have to involve my hosts 651 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,250 In service with at all. Okay, perfect example here op three 652 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,810 perfect example because op three exists. 653 00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:15,240 It's not going to be a moneymaker. I mean, it's not in 654 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,690 desperately not as intense is intent. So 655 00:40:19,770 --> 00:40:21,660 but you want people to be able to use it 656 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,980 without having to email their hosting company and ask them to 657 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:28,140 integrate like, there needs to 658 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:32,520 be see what I'm saying there? Yeah feels like there needs to 659 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,090 be you're you're trying to fix a problem that you can't fix, we 660 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:39,180 can in some cases, like the shim for the value block. 661 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,810 Again, a centralized solution for really a distributed 662 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:46,350 problem. 663 00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:52,110 Yeah, it will, you know, it feels like there ought to be 664 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,790 some sort of protocol, linkage protocol, where, where two 665 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:04,770 parties can can do a thing together 666 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,500 without having to create API integrations, and do a bunch of 667 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,260 work like that, where I can, where eyes, the end user can 668 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:16,260 say, Okay, I've got this service. And I've also got this 669 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:22,290 other service. I'm making a link between them myself. Yeah. Yeah. 670 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,510 Well, that's not that's not always good. That's not always 671 00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:27,180 going to be possible hosting companies are in different 672 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,950 stages of development. Yeah, so I'm just talking generally, I'm 673 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:35,790 not trying to solve for the hosting company's business, or 674 00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:37,230 anybody's business, I guess. 675 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,960 But I like I like the idea that a new servers could be set up 676 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,700 and how that integrates. I mean, I mean, it, I don't know, 677 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,730 somehow just felt to me, like, there's, there's gotta be a way 678 00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:55,020 to do it, this transcription service someone, you can run it 679 00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:57,060 yourself, which, you know, I'm looking, I could probably run 680 00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,580 this myself, it would take me a day, and like, I'm not gonna do 681 00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:02,820 that. I got to do other stuff. But if someone said it up and 682 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:06,630 said, Okay, I can take, you know, X amount of clients, and, 683 00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:09,480 you know, here's your slug, or whatever. And then, you know, we 684 00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,450 we just need to just point it to this, and that's where your 685 00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:13,530 transcript will be. 686 00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:18,900 Now, that would be cool. I mean, that I would give up honored for 687 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,780 that, you know, no problem. And maybe that's, maybe I'm special 688 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:27,060 special. Because I, I use, I'm spoiled because of sovereign 689 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,530 feeds. I'm a spoiled brat. Yes. See, that's what we were talking 690 00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:33,780 about in the call yesterday, it's like, well, you know, we 691 00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:36,660 can do this so easily, because we control the feed, but like 692 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:40,560 90% of podcasters not they don't have this luxury now, and 693 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,190 they're not, you know, that there's been something like that 694 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:49,230 also applies to, to like you with IV Mike. I mean, like, you 695 00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:55,440 have this ability to with your in with your engine to extract 696 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,460 all this. All the keywords and tokens and people and you've 697 00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:03,240 you've got all this information, somebody may want to hook into 698 00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:07,950 to your service. And like pay you to be able to pull that 699 00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:12,870 stuff out and put it into their podcast as recommendations or 700 00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:16,950 some some other thing. Like, there might be some linkage in 701 00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:20,610 the future there. If we can sort of crack this nut is this where 702 00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:23,610 that that? I'm sorry, go answer that. Mike. I'm sorry. I just 703 00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:27,030 jumped in front, just as being rude. Yeah, definitely. We're 704 00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:30,870 definitely looking to open up the beyond the UI and make it 705 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:33,810 make API calls for all this stuff. So that somebody could 706 00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:34,350 hook in? 707 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,300 Yeah, because because you can imagine the podcasts are wanting 708 00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,000 recommendations on what, you know, what keyword should I use? 709 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,360 What, what's the keyword? What's the volume on those? Like, how 710 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,510 many other people are talking about this? And who else is 711 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:51,300 talking about this? And we could tell you that in in almost real 712 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:51,630 time? 713 00:43:53,010 --> 00:43:55,230 Yeah, it'd be cool. Isn't this? Isn't this where that 714 00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:59,400 LSAT comes in? Isn't LSAT meant for this? 715 00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,400 Is anybody using LSAT is? Yeah, I think I get a read on it. But 716 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,420 you know, Well, 717 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,630 Dave, we picked up on on key sand, which nobody was using, 718 00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:15,120 and we turned it into a powerhouse 719 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:22,380 true. I just don't I don't know I've always hear you always hear 720 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:25,830 oh, you should use LSAT, but then I'm not I don't see anybody 721 00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:31,710 doing it. But we could give it a shot. I mean, the the really 722 00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:35,610 boils down to for me is what what is making podcasts and 2.0 723 00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:38,940 work and and I want to hear Mike I want to hear your opinion on 724 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:42,720 this is obviously there's Hey, there's features, we have 725 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,840 hundreds of 1000s of feeds now using these new features. So 726 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,830 there's content to be consumed. And you know, this data is just 727 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,500 sitting there. And as a developer, by the way, Apple 728 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,080 should be embarrassed of themselves, that they haven't 729 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,590 implemented at least one of one one piece of the namespace 730 00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:59,970 because I know that 731 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,810 They know the developers, I'm sure the team feels generally 732 00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:07,560 embarrassed that they cannot even keep up with, you know, 733 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,340 with, with the simplest of of web apps that are just showing 734 00:45:11,340 --> 00:45:14,130 more data from podcasts, and they just can't do it. I mean, I 735 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:18,510 know that they will, Apple will implement namespace 736 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:20,940 tag tags for sure. 737 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:27,480 But the scriptable money part, that's the part that brings it 738 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,210 all together. Because even if you, even if you're not in this 739 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:33,750 for money, and most of us aren't, just seeing those those 740 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:36,810 bits, you're part of the network or the physical network is a 741 00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:39,900 payment going, people are sending value, you're getting 742 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,840 it, you're receiving it, that's exciting. And there's always the 743 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,840 possibility that this will grow. And lots of people will do it. 744 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,660 And it's, you know, all trends point that way. But it's when 745 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:54,450 you really stop and think about scriptable money, how that 746 00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:57,000 solves so many of these problems. That's why I keep 747 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,260 coming back to LSAT. 748 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:03,330 It's worth a shot. Yeah, it's worth I want to try to explain 749 00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:05,550 it what it is. LSAT, 750 00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:13,500 if understand LSAT is is a token that you get this like a got a 751 00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,570 lifetime. It's like a, 752 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,340 like a macaroon kind of is is not? I think it's good. Yeah. 753 00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:25,650 And then allows you to enter to interact with an API. And it's a 754 00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:32,550 way to get like, the predefined you're charging for the API. For 755 00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:37,080 for access is to sort of like Open Graph, and I think pod 756 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,820 chaser does something. Yeah, it's like this HTTP, HTTP plus 757 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:45,720 macaroons plus lightning. That's alright. So you set your 758 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,380 permissions, you set that, and it works on the old, what is it? 759 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:54,990 The the error of the error code? Was it 402 payment required? 760 00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:58,080 That's the HTTP spec. 761 00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:05,070 But that was a hack. And we had long discussions with, with some 762 00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,470 guys there in Austin, about how to use it and that kind of thing 763 00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:10,260 to begin with, it ended up not being, like I'm doing right from 764 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,650 year one, right for us, because we want to do it in a charged 765 00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:17,610 API. But that, I mean, it's us, there may be time to revisit 766 00:47:17,610 --> 00:47:20,760 that it could, it could, it could be an interesting play, 767 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,280 worth thinking about. Because you authenticate, you know, and 768 00:47:26,430 --> 00:47:30,000 then there's a payment and you can, you know, totally set that, 769 00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:32,220 you know, it's like, Okay, for this or for this particular 770 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:35,100 transaction, this kind of transaction, this length of 771 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,730 whatever. 772 00:47:37,050 --> 00:47:37,290 There's, 773 00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:42,180 like, another thing, in Mike, 774 00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:47,550 you're getting your training data, or some some of your, in 775 00:47:47,550 --> 00:47:50,790 the sort of seed data from Apple. And this is the thing 776 00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:55,410 that's really been on my mind a lot lately is, is we have to 777 00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:59,760 have, a lot of a lot of people end up doing that, because it is 778 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,320 a is a reliable source of data. But just like the directory, 779 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:08,490 it's, it's all centralized in this one gigantic company. And, 780 00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:12,900 you know, as big as Apple podcast is, it's also not 781 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,470 necessarily representative, the representative of the whole 782 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:17,040 world, 783 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:22,230 either. I mean, like, the thing is, you look around and you see, 784 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,360 within every app, you're gonna see, 785 00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:29,100 you're gonna see their particular flavor of trending 786 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:34,800 shows. So if you if you open up overcast, you're gonna see a lot 787 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,700 of shows like accidental tech, irreconcilable differences of 788 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,250 people in that sphere of the relay FM Mac world, that's 789 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:47,490 always going to be at the top, because they are heavy. And that 790 00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,520 group is heavy users of that app. Same with the podcasting 791 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,770 2.0 apps, you're gonna see, if you open up pod verse a breeze, 792 00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:58,980 you're gonna see podcasting people, no, no agenda, pod news 793 00:48:58,980 --> 00:49:03,900 at the top of those lists. You go into Apple, you're gonna see 794 00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,560 a lot of NPR and a lot of that can. So it would be really 795 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:08,340 helpful 796 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:10,710 if there was 797 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,190 if there was a distributed system or some protocol to get 798 00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:21,390 trending data from the hosting companies themselves. So like 799 00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:29,610 rss.com, transistor, blueberry, Buzzsprout, Captivate, they 800 00:49:29,610 --> 00:49:30,480 could all 801 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:37,560 they could all publish maybe to us, like completely anonymized 802 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,850 just lists, and, you know, numbers. It's not like, you 803 00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:43,530 know, they can just publish whatever they want. They're 804 00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,730 like, Okay, here's, here's the shows. Here's some public 805 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:49,230 listing of shows that we 806 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,030 think are important. Who the hell even knows what I mean? 807 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,760 Like they don't even have to be like, some kind of rancor where 808 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,830 it's like these are the most popular or these are trending. 809 00:49:59,130 --> 00:50:00,000 They can be whatever they want. 810 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,600 I mean people in their hosting company, people, their customers 811 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,450 could pay them and to be on these lists, I don't care. But 812 00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:09,420 just some sort of way to have a broad 813 00:50:10,889 --> 00:50:14,129 D decent draws not coming from a single source not coming from a 814 00:50:14,129 --> 00:50:18,299 single app, way of aggregating a bunch of this, a bunch of this 815 00:50:18,299 --> 00:50:24,389 data together so that apps like IV can pull that in from from 816 00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:28,469 the decentralized network, and not be realized so reliant on 817 00:50:28,469 --> 00:50:29,729 one source like Apple, 818 00:50:30,810 --> 00:50:35,100 I think that's a good idea. So far are we get from Apple is 819 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,860 just like their ratings and reviews. And that's how we can 820 00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:41,250 kind of extrapolate that into what's what's popular and what's 821 00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:41,640 not. 822 00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:45,570 But I think the Opie three stuff before, that's where I kind of 823 00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:48,780 asked in the in the Macedon, you know, what if all the players 824 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,850 just put that prefix on everything? 825 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,910 Because then I think that does get get sort of what you're 826 00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:56,610 talking about, where you'd have sort of an open list of what's 827 00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:59,550 popular, and it wouldn't be biased towards any one 828 00:50:59,550 --> 00:51:02,370 particular source, especially if lots of players would do this. 829 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,520 I think I think you'd really be able to see amazing stuff. And 830 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,950 then you'd be able to see what people that listen to this one, 831 00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:10,380 listen to that one, you could kind of make those connections, 832 00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:13,140 you'd have to do some pruning the the VPN example that you 833 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:14,940 gave us a really good one. So you have to be a little bit 834 00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:18,660 careful not just kind of take it without looking at it. But I 835 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:21,090 think there's a lot of a lot of possibility there. Yeah, I think 836 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:24,900 I think that that's a really good use of this data. I'm 837 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:28,980 really liking that idea. All in all in on that. Oh, yeah. All 838 00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:33,240 in, of course. I mean, just when it comes, if we continue down 839 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,600 the road of what is unique, what is this? What is that? It's 840 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,320 death. 841 00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:42,930 I mentioned this, there was a question optimistic. The 842 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:45,930 podcaster might not want this available. And so maybe there'll 843 00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:48,750 be like an opt out or something. But I think if you if you did it 844 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:52,260 from the standpoint of an opt out, instead of an opt in, in, 845 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:56,010 you would get the data that you need pretty fast. Yeah. Which, 846 00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,240 which will require an eight slack threads for four months of 847 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,180 everyone agreeing that that's good or bad. Well, so everybody, 848 00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:10,140 including, including John Spurlock has been saying that, 849 00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:13,650 you know, no, the podcaster should control this, the 850 00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:14,820 podcaster should control this. 851 00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:20,310 No, I'm not so sure. I'm just I'm not. I'm not saying that. I 852 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:23,820 disagree. Let me let me just preface that strongly by saying 853 00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:28,140 that when I say I'm not sure, I truly mean, I don't know, I'm 854 00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:32,370 still trying to figure out where I fall on that. Because if if, 855 00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:37,650 if a bunch of apps did what you what you mentioned, and you, you 856 00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:40,740 know, Steven Bell mentioned this as well. He was like, you know, 857 00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:43,500 always put this prefix on everything. Well just look at 858 00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:47,430 it. Well, I mean, I can under a definitely understand the 859 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:51,060 sentiment of podcasters may not want their numbers to be public. 860 00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:56,820 You know, but I haven't I'm not sure we've really fully thought 861 00:52:56,820 --> 00:53:01,350 out sort of the ethical landscape of what that means 862 00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:04,380 that may not be as cut and dried as well, that we think the 863 00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:10,230 question is, for what reason is, is public, and the only thing 864 00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:15,450 the industry has ever focused on is Rancors. And CPMs. 865 00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:22,140 I will say that, I think John Spurlock was correct, but he 866 00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:26,760 wasn't entirely correct to undo what was on pod land. He said, 867 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,030 Well, you know, having stats used to be the unique selling 868 00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:34,440 proposition for the hosting companies now it still is, we 869 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,410 have the best stats, we have the most accurate stats, we have the 870 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,370 it hasn't quite transitioned yet to. We have all the podcasts and 871 00:53:41,370 --> 00:53:45,270 2.0 features and maybe maybe stats is still what what you 872 00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:46,110 sell people on. 873 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,060 And I think there's a genuine fear by hosting companies to 874 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:55,470 give that up might be that might be their secret sauce. You know, 875 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,450 the interface though. 876 00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:04,320 Excuse me, they will still get to have like their interface so 877 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,870 they can still sell like we have the best stats interface and we 878 00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:10,290 can do interesting things with that data the best I you know 879 00:54:10,290 --> 00:54:12,810 what, I can't speak on their behalf. I'll bet you they're all 880 00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:15,240 laughing at us right now even talking about it, because we 881 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,330 don't know what we're talking about. But I hear the passion 882 00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:22,260 that Todd puts into his his whole being when he's talking 883 00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:27,360 about the stats, and there's a lot of love and hurt behind that 884 00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,080 to get to where he's comfortable with what they're doing. But 885 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,170 they laugh at us every week anyway. In the hell yeah. Like 886 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:39,420 the I think, I guess Okay, here's something to flesh this 887 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:43,440 out a little bit more. It's kind of coming to me. It's becoming 888 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,090 more clear as I hear this discussion. 889 00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:51,780 I think it may be okay in this instance, because, like, the 890 00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:55,950 hosting company is still the first party. Download and 891 00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:59,970 measure. It always will be so the hostess 892 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,360 Let's just say this is we're talking to Mrs. Todd is so vocal 893 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,250 about stats let's let's take blueberry, 894 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:10,560 blueberry is still going to get, they're going to get all the 895 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,910 stats. They're gonna get everything no matter where it's 896 00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:18,780 played, regardless because it always because they're the 897 00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:20,700 source of the audio. 898 00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:28,830 If, if apps like IV, curio cast or pod verse, if if apps like 899 00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:33,180 that, let's just say we get 567 podcasts into porno apps. 900 00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:39,900 To implement this, it's going to be obvious that this is not a 901 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:43,680 complete picture of the stats. So it's not going to be an issue 902 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,530 where people are like, You've made my stats public? 903 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,110 Well, no, no, because you're not if if 90% of your plays are on 904 00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:57,600 Apple podcasts or Spotify, these stats are irrelevant. They're 905 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,450 not even close to being accurate. And everybody 906 00:56:00,450 --> 00:56:03,210 understands that they're not going to be even close to being 907 00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:05,310 accurate. Dave, good luck with that. 908 00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:12,120 It's, it's the programming is too deep. I feel you. I think I 909 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,150 agree with you. I'm like, I'm not gonna die on that hill, 910 00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:21,390 getting people to allow podcast apps to put a prefix now know 911 00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:23,760 that they're gonna ruin their everyone's gonna ruin their 912 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,710 business. It's so it's so it stats have become such a 913 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:30,150 protected thing. 914 00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:34,380 Now, it's like, this is your gold. This is how you get money 915 00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:40,740 to grow your show to have higher stats to get money. No, you're 916 00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:43,410 so Scottish. Right now. You're from the highlands. 917 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,030 It's not gonna have whiskey before the show. It's not gonna 918 00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:48,390 happen. 919 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,920 Well, if that is there to get an ad, you're probably right. I 920 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,250 give up easy. You're probably right. That's, well, in that 921 00:56:56,250 --> 00:57:02,040 case, hosting companies. Give us give us opens give us some open 922 00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:06,210 netstat. So give us open open rankings give us open list? No. 923 00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:10,500 I mean, what I think I want it for the index. Yes, no, I 924 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:11,400 understand how, 925 00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:17,310 darling believe me, believe me, I know you want data data. title 926 00:57:17,310 --> 00:57:22,980 of the show data hor. Dave, the data whore DDS, D where it 927 00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:26,430 proudly, son? Yeah, this should be like, 928 00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:31,650 Would you like to send anonymous stats to the OP three open 929 00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:37,560 project. So we can so we can add to the data to make podcasting 930 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,940 better. And by the way, I would like to receive from somebody 931 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,490 a definitive list of benefits that I can get for doing that. 932 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,280 So while you and and John Spurlock are all Jeezy and JD 933 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,480 about about the data, I'm like, Okay, well, I got five different 934 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,830 numbers, I got a chart. It's cool to see people wake up on 935 00:58:01,830 --> 00:58:06,480 Monday, and then they start to download. But I mean, it's not 936 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,800 going to affect my programming. It's not going to. I'm not, not 937 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,610 once in my life, even though I've created I've funded 938 00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:17,490 creation of stats within my own companies. I've never gone back 939 00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:20,100 and said, Okay, what happened at this moment? Oh, I'm going to do 940 00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,770 more of that. It's a lie. Okay, I'm just going to say it. I've 941 00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:24,420 said it myself a million times. 942 00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:28,560 You know, we have the booster grams at timestamp. 943 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,540 Now in Alby, I'm like, Oh, so cool. Now you can find out 944 00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,940 exactly what you were saying when the booster gram came in. 945 00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:37,470 You know what it doesn't work? 946 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,600 Because you have to go back. Well, the boosted Graham came 947 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,600 in, it's usually unrelated to the topic at that moment, 948 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:49,710 timeline. So you wind up not doing it. You say, Well, was it 949 00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:56,160 me? There's really, it's fun. I like to know the overall trend, 950 00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:59,520 where people like a no agenda were the stats that we have, you 951 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,180 could see the drop off first donation segment, and then a 952 00:59:03,180 --> 00:59:05,940 number of people, you know, a significant portion coming back. 953 00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:09,150 That's fun to see. But I've seen that before. From the apple 954 00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:12,450 player stats. What else is there that's really going to excite me 955 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,030 other than it's enough to get ads. 956 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,480 Seriously, oh, look how many people are listening to me from 957 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,250 Colorado? Yeah. Or look how many people are listening to me in 958 00:59:26,250 --> 00:59:29,880 Japan? That's exciting. Yeah, in 1993 959 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:37,920 serious look seriously. At of all the shows that publish, and 960 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,170 there's so many of them now. I mean, 110,000 over the last 961 00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:46,980 three days, 110,000 podcasts have published an episode over 962 00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:50,700 the last 10 days 246,000 Out of all those shows, 963 00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:56,250 attacked us not tiny but a very small number of those shows 964 00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,320 truly care about making money. 965 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,460 They do like they do like status. They just they do want 966 01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:04,350 people to know that people are listening. 967 01:00:05,609 --> 01:00:08,789 That's all they really care about. Right? Okay, everybody 968 01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:11,249 want everybody wants to know that they that they're kind of 969 01:00:11,249 --> 01:00:13,739 being heard and being listened. So is it gives you that 970 01:00:13,769 --> 01:00:17,279 excitement. Okay, so let me let me tell you a story. Let me tell 971 01:00:17,279 --> 01:00:20,489 you a story about a woman I know, gonna climb up on your 972 01:00:20,489 --> 01:00:20,849 knee. 973 01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:26,490 So I've been working with this guy, this Belgian guy who I we 974 01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:28,260 have a mutual friend who's a 975 01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:33,780 entertainer in, in the Benelux and he's you can you can see 976 01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:36,570 what my buddy is doing. And he started this thing called 100%. 977 01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:40,950 Retro and it's a live radio station, it only available on 978 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:46,650 stream, then he's done quite a lot of work in the global nature 979 01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:49,680 of it by hiring people all across the globe in different 980 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,460 time zones. And he's done. This comes from kind of trickery to 981 01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:57,300 the playlists. So during drive time in the US, you won't get 982 01:00:57,300 --> 01:01:00,210 some, you know, some weird song maybe that's in a different 983 01:01:00,210 --> 01:01:05,310 language. But he has Israel, South Africa, England, New York, 984 01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:09,240 Los Angeles, and if anybody's got Kim Wilde doing shows for 985 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,110 him and Ben libram mixes and so and he's shelling out a lot of 986 01:01:13,110 --> 01:01:17,160 money. And so he's getting ready to start implement his 987 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,340 advertising, which means he has to you know, look at how many 988 01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:26,190 streams darts do you get? And I and I'm not I'm not compensated, 989 01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:29,460 I have no stock or anything. I just like the guy. So once every 990 01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:32,430 couple of weeks, you know, we talk on a Friday for an hour, I 991 01:01:32,430 --> 01:01:35,760 talked to him this morning. And I said, Well, I think we're 992 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,170 close enough I'm going to put you into into podcasting 2.0 993 01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:43,230 Live. And so I whipped up literally this morning whipped 994 01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:47,610 up a little a little feed in sovereign feeds, and I threw his 995 01:01:47,610 --> 01:01:51,480 stream URL in there I opened up an Albea wallet connected that 996 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:57,030 in the value block, but a bing bada boom and, and so so we get 997 01:01:57,030 --> 01:02:00,690 on the Zoom, call the video call and say okay, here, here's curio 998 01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:04,950 Kassar. And I was showing him because I was doing you know, 999 01:02:04,980 --> 01:02:08,220 screenshare and I but also showed him on camera. The same 1000 01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:10,590 with POD verse. Thank you very much, Mitch and everybody for 1001 01:02:10,590 --> 01:02:12,300 rushing like mofos to get that done. 1002 01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:16,080 And I kind of follow is a great little demo. And he's a friendly 1003 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,640 guy, but I'm just trying to promote this concept. And so you 1004 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,930 know, curio cast, you look for 100% with a percent sign retro. 1005 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:30,270 Yeah, and it pops up and hit live. And the chat works and the 1006 01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:32,700 wallet works. And then and so I'm saying okay, now look at 1007 01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:35,820 Albie, and he's looking at Albie at the live and you know, this 1008 01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,840 thing is just spurt and confetti everywhere. Show and 200 SATs a 1009 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,020 minute streaming and I'm showing the booster grams. He's tripping 1010 01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:46,200 out he says some people are sending money right now just for 1011 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,470 listening. So yeah, man, that's the whole part, the whole beauty 1012 01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:52,320 of it. But you can also just look at the trend of who's 1013 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,080 listening when they're listening. And he thought that 1014 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,680 was spectacular. So that's so much better than the stream 1015 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,460 starts because you know, in the streaming radio model, they also 1016 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:05,160 have all kinds of bullcrap numbers, and they still can't 1017 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,940 get it all exactly right. With streams, so they do stream 1018 01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:15,060 starts, okay, partial downloads, range requests. No, but when you 1019 01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:18,270 have an actual payment going from A to B, doesn't matter what 1020 01:03:18,270 --> 01:03:20,970 the number is. I mean, as I said, we had like, 1021 01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:27,030 what do we have on our get Alby? It was like 57 people streaming 1022 01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:30,330 SATs at that moment in time. That's, that's super exciting. 1023 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,000 And it happens from the moment you launch. 1024 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,440 I just sent him 1000 says, got to the 100% Retro live stream so 1025 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,290 I got really distracted as we were getting everything set up 1026 01:03:43,290 --> 01:03:48,330 but I want I have it in as a clip and pod verse and I want to 1027 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,020 I'll just hit play and hopefully it's very risky. But I don't 1028 01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:54,750 know exactly if it has all the pieces in there I want but I was 1029 01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:58,530 it was my hate. Listen. The liberal intellectual elites Kara 1030 01:03:58,530 --> 01:04:04,320 Swisher and Professor Scott, Scott Galloway, who got their 1031 01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:06,960 got their feet hijacked by the way. They got their feet 1032 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,250 hijacked by the new the New York time when they left. They she 1033 01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:15,600 went in to some other I guess she took she went to some Wall 1034 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,940 Street Journal. Is that where she went? She went to some of 1035 01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:22,110 the places left in New York Times verge sway large sway laws 1036 01:04:22,110 --> 01:04:26,250 in New York tie, and she left her feet behind and they 1037 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,100 converted they just took her feet and converted it into a 1038 01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:31,980 different show. They actually she mentioned they were going to 1039 01:04:31,980 --> 01:04:35,730 do that. Yeah, evidently she was not happy about well, it wasn't 1040 01:04:35,730 --> 01:04:40,200 hers to take with her. It wasn't her field. So no, all right, 1041 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,620 well, whatever. So they have on 1042 01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:51,480 Jessica Yellin Who I guess she was a mainstream news reporter 1043 01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:56,730 very season she's been around and she started a the while 1044 01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:59,970 she's I started a media company but she really is doing a lot 1045 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,420 Podcast. And it may be video as well. But I think it's audio 1046 01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:08,430 called news not noise. And it's become extremely popular. And 1047 01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:11,880 I'm not sure exactly if it's all on this clip, but she was 1048 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,620 talking about the weight, you know, because of course, like 1049 01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:17,700 why do you make money on this on this podcast? And, and she's? 1050 01:05:18,090 --> 01:05:21,180 Well, we'll see if her answers in here. Hold on CNN where he 1051 01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:24,060 used to work is pushing, you know, and again Chris Cuomo is 1052 01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:25,650 at this news nation, which is a project. 1053 01:05:26,850 --> 01:05:30,780 Is that the right direction? Do you see more of this? audiences? 1054 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,620 You know, yeah. 1055 01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:37,200 Kara Swisher sounds almost exactly like Hillary Clinton. 1056 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:44,040 Say millio Baby, say million? Tell me I'm wrong. Boy, that 1057 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,590 sounds really close. I thought that was Hillary Clinton as a 1058 01:05:46,590 --> 01:05:48,900 guest. Sorry, what do you think my startup does that Hillary 1059 01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:50,880 Clinton? It sounds like it to me. 1060 01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:54,540 I'm not sure if this bit is in here. But she says she makes 1061 01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:59,700 money from she has partnerships, which means like brand 1062 01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:01,680 advertiser, she has. 1063 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,790 She gets payments from some of the platforms. So I presume this 1064 01:06:05,790 --> 01:06:11,340 like YouTube or whatever. And she also takes donations. And 1065 01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:13,470 I'm not sure if she says it in this clip, because it's more 1066 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:17,040 about what Scott Galloway says. But she at one point said she 1067 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,770 really wished she had started earlier with donations from the 1068 01:06:19,770 --> 01:06:22,440 audience. Now hopefully it's in this clip Fox is only growing 1069 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,550 with their anger machine, their persistent rage machine? Well, I 1070 01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:29,370 think the answer is yes, I do think it will work. And it will 1071 01:06:29,370 --> 01:06:32,910 keep audiences I think that you have to shift your expectations 1072 01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:36,390 when I was growing up, and I watched CNN, you know, in the 1073 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:39,510 Tiananmen Square moment, and it was just the centerpiece of the 1074 01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:40,230 world to me, 1075 01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:46,380 CNN drew huge eyeballs at major events, and accepted that they 1076 01:06:46,380 --> 01:06:48,030 would get less audience in between. 1077 01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:52,440 It also became a place where you could actually reach 1078 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,670 independence and swing voters, which is enormously valuable and 1079 01:06:56,670 --> 01:07:00,360 profitable, right, you can charge more for that. So I do 1080 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,780 think there's a space for that. I think, listen, when I started 1081 01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:06,960 on Instagram, I was one of the only people doing what I do. But 1082 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,320 now there's a bazillion people telling you what matters in the 1083 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,130 world all outraged and, you know, dancing and screaming 1084 01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:17,820 about how awful this party is or that so there's plenty of left 1085 01:07:17,820 --> 01:07:22,110 right content out there. And I think there is a whitespace sort 1086 01:07:22,110 --> 01:07:24,780 of that attracts the people who feel a little homeless right 1087 01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:25,230 now. 1088 01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:30,270 And I don't know, you know, exactly how CNN is going to 1089 01:07:30,270 --> 01:07:32,730 execute on that. But I think that Chris Licht in particular 1090 01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:36,390 has a track record of making very watchable TV, and people 1091 01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:39,420 should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah, Scott, last 1092 01:07:39,420 --> 01:07:42,720 question. What advice would you have if you, you started this 1093 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,350 new media company, and you've done it yourself? What would 1094 01:07:46,350 --> 01:07:48,810 advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start a 1095 01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:52,200 media company? That's news centered here? What mediums 1096 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,320 would you use? Business model? It sounds like you've already 1097 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,740 said go right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't 1098 01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:01,020 know what you call like the the telegraph model of the Guardian 1099 01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:03,870 model. What advice you're starting to sort of clean slate, 1100 01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,620 how would you do it? I like this. Tipping the telegraph 1101 01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:11,520 model, the Guardian model with Guardian has a model now. I 1102 01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:15,450 mean, Dane is just dripping off with him. When he says tipping 1103 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,570 fig. Let's just roll that back. It was so nasty how he said 1104 01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:21,750 that, but she actually has a great comeback, very watchable 1105 01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:24,960 TV, and people should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah, 1106 01:08:24,990 --> 01:08:27,630 Scott, last question. What advice would you have? If you 1107 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,070 you started this new media company like yourself? 1108 01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:35,880 What would advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start 1109 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,570 a media company? That's news centered? When mediums would you 1110 01:08:39,570 --> 01:08:42,900 use business model? It sounds like you've already said go 1111 01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:45,900 right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't know 1112 01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:48,120 what you call like the the telegraph model or the Guardian 1113 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,640 model? What advice you're starting this with a clean 1114 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,550 slate? How would you do it differently? I guess I would 1115 01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:59,670 start with platform outside of any of the current social media 1116 01:08:59,670 --> 01:09:03,000 platforms, and consistently drive to your own website, or 1117 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,280 your own newsletter, or whatever the thing is, you're doing 1118 01:09:05,310 --> 01:09:07,920 outside the algorithms from day one. 1119 01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:14,100 Have super high numbers. 1120 01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:20,880 And just really focus in on what the audience is responding to. 1121 01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:26,040 And continue to deliver that. It's this conversation. I think, 1122 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,290 you know, everybody poopoo is web three, or where's it going? 1123 01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:30,120 But the thing that I find interesting about web three is 1124 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,630 it's this ongoing, circular conversation. And I do think 1125 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,110 conceptually, that's where the media needs to go. And those are 1126 01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:41,460 the businesses that will really excel because we are sorting 1127 01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:44,460 into sort of I call it not like minded but like valued 1128 01:09:44,460 --> 01:09:47,910 communities, and so lean into that. Yeah, that's absolutely, 1129 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,510 that's too bad. Because before that she she actually, you know, 1130 01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:54,150 she went through this whole rap like if I had known what now 1131 01:09:54,150 --> 01:09:56,280 what I knew then I would have started right away with the 1132 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,920 audience, but she's saying the same thing we're talking about. 1133 01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:00,000 It's like it's a circle. 1134 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,450 You know, it's a loop, you know, the donation the booster grams, 1135 01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:04,290 that's the loop. 1136 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,600 Which so you You're, you're saying that we are a like valued 1137 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,630 community? I would rather rip off my nuts than ever describe 1138 01:10:15,630 --> 01:10:16,560 us is that 1139 01:10:19,109 --> 01:10:22,259 mission accomplished but in their world in their worlds? 1140 01:10:22,259 --> 01:10:25,259 Yeah. Yeah, like valued community. Yeah, I think that 1141 01:10:25,259 --> 01:10:26,039 makes sense. 1142 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,440 Okay as an app 1143 01:10:29,580 --> 01:10:31,170 as an app, Mike, what, 1144 01:10:32,190 --> 01:10:36,630 you know, you've you've constructed this, this system 1145 01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:40,710 that pulls out all these relevant bits, and it does a 1146 01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:42,330 really good job of it. 1147 01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:49,470 The thing that's sort of missing, I guess, per step two 1148 01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:50,220 would be 1149 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:55,110 pulling in, like taking signals from the from the listener 1150 01:10:56,490 --> 01:11:00,840 as to what you know, to that. So you have the circular thing 1151 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,680 there is that what may be already doing that? What and how 1152 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,160 does that how would that fit in? Yeah, I think that would make 1153 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,460 everything a lot better. Wait, now, because of the data that we 1154 01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:14,400 have available? All we can really use is sort of the supply 1155 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,400 of podcasts. And so we can see, like, how many have this? How 1156 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,790 many podcasts have this or how many episodes have this. But 1157 01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:24,570 yeah, having that sort of listening data, or even just the 1158 01:11:24,570 --> 01:11:27,090 download data is as messy as that is, would help us a lot. 1159 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,190 Yeah, that'd be what do you do you trigger off that at all 1160 01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:33,900 right now? Or he's purely just like, 1161 01:11:35,310 --> 01:11:37,920 the the content side, you're taking all your signals from 1162 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,620 that from the content itself? Right now? It's all from the 1163 01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:41,400 content itself. 1164 01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:46,290 Okay. Oh, does that mean that? I guess the the, you know, this, 1165 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,620 there's a big if there's a theme of what we're talking about in 1166 01:11:49,620 --> 01:11:54,930 general today. I mean, really, it really is like how to get how 1167 01:11:54,930 --> 01:12:00,270 to get a better signal from, from the, from the audience, 1168 01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:01,530 from from listeners. 1169 01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:07,530 And from the in from the hosting, like, how to how to get 1170 01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:11,460 better quality signal in here so that everybody is, you know, 1171 01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:15,060 there's this, this stupid idea of, of discoverability. Where, 1172 01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:18,210 where's that it's just something I'm not that concerned about. 1173 01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:23,040 But it does, like, if there's the word of mouth idea, which is 1174 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,110 still king within podcasting, like that word of, I feel like 1175 01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:36,300 that word of mouth idea can be converted into an actual signal 1176 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:40,980 that, that apps and an index and everything that we can all pick 1177 01:12:40,980 --> 01:12:47,100 up on, except it can't be done with clips and clips. I like I 1178 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:51,780 like where you're going, how about I connect my podcast or my 1179 01:12:51,780 --> 01:12:58,380 listening wallet, to a data, dump wherever. So that you can 1180 01:12:58,380 --> 01:13:02,220 at least I'm perfect, I'd be perfectly happy to show you my 1181 01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:07,200 category one of payments, which is the streaming data, I'd be 1182 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,620 more than happy to send that to, which you know, I know how that 1183 01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,550 comes in is a lot of nice data in that I'll send that to to 1184 01:13:14,670 --> 01:13:18,450 Opie three or to IV or you know, someone who's, who's going to be 1185 01:13:18,450 --> 01:13:21,840 open with it. Now, I think now you're talking about it. Now 1186 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:22,350 you're talking. 1187 01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:26,760 Listening to I will send my listening date. I'm happy to do 1188 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,760 it. I'm going to make that make that a box in the app. And you 1189 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,490 know, I don't want booster grams going all over the place even 1190 01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:39,000 though they do kind of but not the message is just just the 1191 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,240 amounts just show Yeah, well, not not even the messages. No, 1192 01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:44,850 I'm talking about. Look, it can be 1193 01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:49,230 Yeah, I don't want my messages going all over the place. I just 1194 01:13:49,230 --> 01:13:51,810 think that's Miss No, I don't I would want 1195 01:13:53,010 --> 01:13:55,560 to look it's all open. It doesn't matter. Make it 1196 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,550 selectable, you can do only streams boosts whatever however 1197 01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:02,430 you want to do it. I'd be that was kind of where I was going 1198 01:14:02,430 --> 01:14:05,370 early. I'd be happy to put in a 1% 1199 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,820 You know, if if, by doing that I get recommendations back. Well, 1200 01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:14,850 you know, this guy over here listens to the same podcast you 1201 01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:19,740 listen but he also listens to her. So why don't you check this 1202 01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:24,060 out? I mean, that's something I think is fantastic data and 1203 01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:28,770 bypass and the users can can bond together and make it happen 1204 01:14:28,770 --> 01:14:31,860 we don't necessarily need anybody else. That's what I'm 1205 01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:34,230 thinking. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it's not like and 1206 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,900 there's no algorithm in between it's just it's you know what 1207 01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:41,670 this is this is it's just like share your OPML it is exactly 1208 01:14:41,670 --> 01:14:44,250 share your OPML only done with money 1209 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:54,330 plays Oh on am Paula. Yeah, it's share your lightning is what 1210 01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:58,020 that is Chain Lightning. That's it. Chain Lightning. Lightning. 1211 01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,970 So you know 1212 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,720 And, and I would do that. Okay, so IV, you you said you're 1213 01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,610 working, Mike you're working on, 1214 01:15:07,589 --> 01:15:11,249 on putting in value for value, right? That's right. Yeah. Mitch 1215 01:15:11,249 --> 01:15:14,939 has an open source to JavaScript file where you kind of take this 1216 01:15:14,939 --> 01:15:17,129 blob and drop it on the page, and then the JavaScript just 1217 01:15:17,129 --> 01:15:21,149 turns it into the form. So we demonstrated some experiments 1218 01:15:21,149 --> 01:15:24,449 with that. And that was super helpful in bootstrapping that. 1219 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:29,819 Because if you had, if, if you admit, I made a modification to 1220 01:15:29,819 --> 01:15:34,529 that library, where I could choose to make my to, like, 1221 01:15:34,529 --> 01:15:39,479 share my boost data out, hit that check box in a heartbeat. 1222 01:15:40,049 --> 01:15:41,999 Yeah, I would share it back out, share, share it, you know, I 1223 01:15:41,999 --> 01:15:44,669 mean, you you obviously already have it, so you'll start getting 1224 01:15:44,669 --> 01:15:48,359 those signals immediately. But like, I mean, I'd share that 1225 01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:50,909 with the world. I've been a lot of people would, where should 1226 01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:56,040 Where should it live? I mean, the interesting thing, Dave, 1227 01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:58,470 we have that data. 1228 01:15:59,790 --> 01:16:01,980 Do we? Yeah, we get 1%. 1229 01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:07,230 On the Endo. Yeah. Yeah. The index literally has this data. 1230 01:16:09,330 --> 01:16:11,250 It's funny that I didn't realize this. 1231 01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:17,400 I mean, why am I this? Guest? We don't have to develop anything 1232 01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:20,910 in a meeting adjourned everybody beautiful work. 1233 01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:26,400 We have data not shady, this is how not shady we are that we 1234 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,180 didn't even know. 1235 01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:32,760 So son get to importing into into MySQL. 1236 01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:37,920 I'm on the dip. I got it. Get that thing? And what's that? 1237 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,700 What's that? That platform that? Gosh, a lot of my ex employees 1238 01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:45,270 went there. Or my old employees went there. The it's like this 1239 01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:49,830 huge flat, flat database concept. You can then they sell 1240 01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:53,040 it to companies throw all your data in there and they can dig 1241 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:58,440 out whatever you want. lunk Splunk? Yes, this Blanc, it will 1242 01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:02,940 throw it all this will put it on a big Splunk. Yeah. No, not do 1243 01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:09,060 that. But think but think about what we could extract anonymize. 1244 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,350 But you can because you can hash the user names or whatever. 1245 01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:18,270 Like that can be up for debate how we do that, but it doesn't 1246 01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:19,410 really matter. You know, 1247 01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:24,900 make that available. And you know, do the query or whatever 1248 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,840 it is, whatever it is, make it available so that people can 1249 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,110 then connect. Okay, this person's listening, you know, 1250 01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:34,950 like IV connect, this person's listening to this podcast and 1251 01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:37,620 this podcast, other people listen to that one. So check 1252 01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:40,410 this out. This may interest you. I mean, that's that's the basic 1253 01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:44,010 idea of recommendation, isn't it? Interesting. Net, you've 1254 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:47,010 distracted me from op three, this is a success. You've you've 1255 01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:51,450 successfully distracted me away from my work is done here. Yes, 1256 01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:54,480 yes, it would also tell you, one thing we see a lot of is people 1257 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,700 click on a button to kind of going back to the how you opened 1258 01:17:56,700 --> 01:17:59,340 it, people click on a podcast, listen to it, maybe they're 1259 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:02,250 like, Oh, this isn't for me and close it quickly. And so you 1260 01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:04,650 would sort of this would get it that that you made them a bad 1261 01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:07,650 recommendation, maybe even really bad because they they 1262 01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:10,890 wasted some of their time on it, versus having them listen to the 1263 01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:14,490 whole thing. So that as as in terms of like, what, what's 1264 01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:16,350 your, you know, when you're, if you're training a model on that, 1265 01:18:16,350 --> 01:18:19,350 what's your objective function, that will be like a bad output, 1266 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,650 or outcome? If they if they only list a little bit of it? I mean, 1267 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,390 make it in this data set in some available in some way, Dave? I 1268 01:18:27,390 --> 01:18:32,400 mean, the ML AI guys would be Jide. I mean, think about what 1269 01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:37,860 you can then go to amounts. Okay. So, which typically I 1270 01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:41,310 don't care about, but in this case, you can see, well, this 1271 01:18:41,310 --> 01:18:47,340 person who provides a lot of value back, you know, in doesn't 1272 01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:51,810 provide any value to this, you know, so is that a weighting 1273 01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:54,000 system? You know, can you then weigh 1274 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,720 populaire popularity when there's a lot of things you can 1275 01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,400 do to just try and get some some general behavioral information, 1276 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,340 but something that we can immediately turn around and hand 1277 01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,240 back to the people, to the people, not to the government 1278 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,800 and not to creepy corporations, which 100% of them are to people 1279 01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:18,660 to you know, do something that will benefit them, make their 1280 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:22,620 lives better recommend a podcast, find people who listen 1281 01:19:22,620 --> 01:19:25,500 to the saying, Can you imagine that? Would you like to connect 1282 01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:29,340 with people who also listen to this podcast? Well, you can send 1283 01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:31,020 them you can send them a message. 1284 01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:35,580 Oh, yeah. And it's completely anonymous because I don't know 1285 01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:38,070 who I'm sending it to, but they'll receive and send it to 1286 01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:42,180 their Alby wallet. I mean, I can do this is what I can do all day 1287 01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:42,750 long. 1288 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,650 Well, this is this obviously needs to be a week a new weekly, 1289 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:50,160 massive, 1290 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,370 massive dorms. 1291 01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:57,210 Yeah, with this, this could be another this could be a week, 1292 01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,000 another weekly massive dump where we just a non 1293 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,450 memorize everything and you know it may be that we take this is 1294 01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:08,580 probably the best idea. Take Take the messages out, take the 1295 01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:14,430 take the username, hash the user names and then take the don't 1296 01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:19,200 use the original numerology amounts use the post the post 1297 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,580 deduction access fee deduction that way you can't reverse like 1298 01:20:23,610 --> 01:20:27,000 reverse people here see like 1,000,021 12 coming from me that 1299 01:20:27,330 --> 01:20:32,520 day right right right. They did dumps they call them dumps big 1300 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:33,720 massive dumps 1301 01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:38,850 this this is this is this show is full of massive dump so we 1302 01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:39,540 got some really 1303 01:20:42,270 --> 01:20:45,750 it was like a few people since we're a buck 21 Right now I'd 1304 01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:47,250 like to start with some of the 1305 01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:50,400 booster grams that have come in. 1306 01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:55,740 Oh my goodness pre show. Let's see. So we got here 1307 01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:00,870 17,776 From blueberry lavish and I went to I 1308 01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:05,700 went to a convention recently and ran into a gentleman who 1309 01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,970 runs both a heavy metal podcast and a radio stream. I got his 1310 01:21:08,970 --> 01:21:11,400 contact reach out to him about PC two. Oh, is there any 1311 01:21:11,610 --> 01:21:14,670 resources guides written for introducing streaming sites to 1312 01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:18,990 radio streams? Or is it the same setup as icecast? Well, to go 1313 01:21:18,990 --> 01:21:25,170 take a look at the at the feed for 100% retro and you can get 1314 01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:29,010 it in today. Perfect. It fired right up for me and I was able 1315 01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,550 to boost it and I saw your booths coming. Loving the stream 1316 01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:33,030 you said? 1317 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:39,840 Macintosh short roadex 2222 Shout outs to the best podcast 1318 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,470 2.0 in the universe go podcast day go podcast. 1319 01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:51,540 Martin Linda's code rush boost 2112 Satoshis very much. Chimp 1320 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:56,610 13,579 What did you eff up? What I effed up as I forgot to email 1321 01:21:56,610 --> 01:21:59,340 Mike. That's what I effed up. Because everything was listening 1322 01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,810 before we started the stream. Another 13 579 from chimp I wish 1323 01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:06,480 they could all be Indiana girls, you know it. 1324 01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:11,040 There's another 930 from Martin Lindis Koch, David Lee and 1325 01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,550 Daniel J. Dave Lee and Daniel J. Lewis started the international 1326 01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:18,360 podcast a great initiative. Okay, I didn't know that. Okay, 1327 01:22:18,420 --> 01:22:23,100 so just made it up. Cool. Jingle Bells Oh, this is blueberry 1328 01:22:23,490 --> 01:22:28,980 11,111 Jingle Bells Apple smells I heart laid an egg Okay. 1329 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:35,580 Sir Spencer 42,069 Happy International podcast day to the 1330 01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:38,970 whole board. Lauren and I want to invite everyone to get lit 1331 01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:42,300 with us. For bowls with buds this Sunday directly following 1332 01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:45,570 no agenda we're talking to Bitcoin air. Author Eric yanks 1333 01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:47,820 about his book The seventh property Bitcoin and the 1334 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:52,140 monetary revolution. Nice part of hat one a one on one. Thank 1335 01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:56,220 you. Hi, I've had Bhoomi Hey there Bhumi 2100 coming in from 1336 01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:56,940 pod verse. 1337 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:04,800 See we have primitive one with 104,000 SATs. 1338 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:07,650 Add that in there 1339 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,330 and says deduce me or I mean keep up the great work 1340 01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:16,170 podcasting to porno and impending pimps will change free 1341 01:23:16,170 --> 01:23:19,560 entertainment forever free as in freedom. I welcome all the check 1342 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,560 out the live podcast I do with my buddy chimp called Saturday 1343 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,160 night lit with Bitcoin only and 2.0 compliant but not yet 1344 01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,120 certified cough cough show starts at 8:30pm Eastern time on 1345 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,140 your favorite live compatible podcast player or stream dot 1346 01:23:34,170 --> 01:23:38,940 audio ghost dot Miami. Yes, we're from Miami. If you are to 1347 01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:48,150 get in touch fellow Swamp Thing. Okay. Jad F 3333. No note 6969 1348 01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:50,820 from Spencer any node runners who are still experiencing all 1349 01:23:50,820 --> 01:23:54,840 these ongoing woes. I presume lightning nodes I want to 1350 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,650 suggest running your node in hybrid mode with Tor and clear 1351 01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:05,640 net using a VPS via tunnel sats.com Boy Oh, do they have a 1352 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,670 great guide and I got mine up on Raspbian raspy blitz in about 1353 01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:11,550 six minutes if anyone has any questions hit me up on podcast 1354 01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:14,310 index dot social happy to troubleshoot with you. Very 1355 01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:22,350 nice. Eric p p 25,000. Sats the best stats are SATs he says. So 1356 01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:23,100 right you are 1357 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:31,560 then we have. Let's see. That's it. That's that's the last one 1358 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,590 we've had come in. From the from the live show. Thank you all 1359 01:24:34,590 --> 01:24:38,310 very much for providing us value. And we've been following 1360 01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:40,500 along in the chat room. Nice. See everybody there. 1361 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:47,760 Are you I couldn't tell. Are you on Android? Mike? Yes, we had a 1362 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,760 little administrative issue with them. But we're back up on 1363 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,330 Android, Android and iOS. What was the administrative issue? 1364 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,530 There was something we had to like log in and do something and 1365 01:24:58,530 --> 01:24:59,970 every so often and 1366 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,240 We get our stats through an alternate means. And so they 1367 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,170 thought we were inactive. So they ended the developer 1368 01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:10,890 accounts with the RE redo. It was kind of a pain. How much 1369 01:25:10,890 --> 01:25:11,220 does it? 1370 01:25:13,710 --> 01:25:17,430 Yeah, that so you lost all your I guess you lost all your 1371 01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:24,930 reviews all your downloads? Ah. Oh my goodness. So you want to F 1372 01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:28,200 Droid or is it just on the Google Play Store? It's on the 1373 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,280 Google Play Store? Yeah. Okay. Is F droid, does it have to be 1374 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,640 open source to be on F droid? Or is that just alternative store? 1375 01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:39,840 Straight up? No, I don't think it has to be open source, does 1376 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,890 it? I don't think so. 1377 01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,260 Okay, I'm not sure. 1378 01:25:44,340 --> 01:25:46,290 Are you? Mike? Are you 1379 01:25:47,370 --> 01:25:50,640 what technology you're using? Do you like React Native? Or is it 1380 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,180 a native app? How's that? How's that work? It is flutter. It's 1381 01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:56,670 that was were kind of a nice, right at once and deploy it 1382 01:25:56,670 --> 01:25:57,270 both? Yeah. 1383 01:25:58,620 --> 01:26:00,180 Flutter is really like, 1384 01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:06,360 I keep my My instinct is to discount it as a, you know, 1385 01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:10,680 because here's, it's not because of anything they did is, it's 1386 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:14,010 just that we've seen so many of these things that have come and 1387 01:26:14,010 --> 01:26:17,910 been cross platform, you know, mobile, right once run anywhere 1388 01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:21,810 things and they always are like a flash in the pan. But flutter 1389 01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:24,690 seems to really be sticking around. I mean, like it seems to 1390 01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:28,350 have staying power, this may be the first one that really has 1391 01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:29,880 kind of stuck the landing. 1392 01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:33,900 It was it's a little bit takes a little bit to get used to. But 1393 01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:37,020 it wasn't it wasn't so bad. Once you kind of get in there. There 1394 01:26:37,020 --> 01:26:39,720 are some things that I wish I would have known. I think this 1395 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,900 is the first flutter app I built. And so I think there were 1396 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,090 like fundamental ways of constructing the app that we 1397 01:26:45,090 --> 01:26:47,790 need to fix in terms of, you know, to get the lock screen 1398 01:26:47,790 --> 01:26:52,140 controls and integrate with Car Play and that sort of thing. But 1399 01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:55,920 that's why I'm thinking at some point, probably in the next, I 1400 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,660 don't know, I don't want to put a date on it. But next few 1401 01:26:57,660 --> 01:27:00,870 months, I'd love to just kind of redo the the native component of 1402 01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:04,230 this, we really focus almost exclusively on the data itself. 1403 01:27:04,230 --> 01:27:07,290 And, you know, merging these things together, when they're 1404 01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:11,670 synonyms and just just doing a lot of that kind of work. I 1405 01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:14,310 think it's time to come back and work on the UI. 1406 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,230 So do you have? 1407 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,780 So how often do you have to drop out of flutter and go down to 1408 01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:28,440 like a swift thing? Or the underlying OS level API's to get 1409 01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:31,230 something done? Is it is it rare? Or is it common? How's 1410 01:27:31,230 --> 01:27:35,130 that work? So far? It's been pretty rare. Pretty, pretty 1411 01:27:35,130 --> 01:27:38,370 well, I think it was Android, it had to do something weird. But 1412 01:27:38,370 --> 01:27:40,920 yeah, it's actually been pretty nice. The the libraries that are 1413 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,960 available for audio are not bad. 1414 01:27:44,460 --> 01:27:48,210 So I've been pretty happy with it actually. Did they just call 1415 01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:51,210 the underlying OS provided libraries? Or do they have 1416 01:27:51,210 --> 01:27:54,390 actual audio engines that are themselves? It's my 1417 01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:56,850 understanding that they all interact with the existing 1418 01:27:56,850 --> 01:27:57,420 native 1419 01:27:59,010 --> 01:28:02,880 components. Okay. And that seems to be like that. There's no 1420 01:28:02,910 --> 01:28:06,360 that's not real buggy. It seems to work. Okay. Yeah, definitely. 1421 01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:08,760 Yeah. Okay. But I mean, everybody know, a lot of people 1422 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,940 using it, they need that anytime player uses it breeze, uses 1423 01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:16,380 flutter, I think fountain uses flutter if I'm not mistaken. I 1424 01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:19,980 mean, like, it seems to be, it seems to be the way to go. 1425 01:28:20,010 --> 01:28:24,240 Because the reality is writing a native app, like, you know, 1426 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,360 keeping track of two native code bases at the same time, and plus 1427 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,290 a web code base. That's a mess, man. I mean, you need a whole 1428 01:28:31,290 --> 01:28:35,010 team of people to do that. So I'm glad that I'm glad that 1429 01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:39,780 flutter exists. Because, I mean, the promises of that in the past 1430 01:28:39,780 --> 01:28:42,240 have been very, pretty hollow. But it seems like this is 1431 01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:43,260 actually legit. 1432 01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:49,230 Long ago, I worked for an insurance company, and we saw a 1433 01:28:49,230 --> 01:28:51,210 competitor do something I was like, Oh, we could do that in 1434 01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:55,200 PhoneGap. And no problem. I could do that in a month. And it 1435 01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,320 turned out that one critical component was missing. And I 1436 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,810 worked like 20 hours a day for that month and make sure I hit 1437 01:29:00,810 --> 01:29:01,290 the deadline. 1438 01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:07,620 Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's been so many promises that have gone 1439 01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:10,680 home, you know, going empty over the years of cross platform, but 1440 01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:15,510 I mean, that honesty is was the language. Is it this Dart? I 1441 01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:19,770 guess, right. It is Dart? Yeah. Okay. And is that is that it 1442 01:29:19,770 --> 01:29:21,840 looks? I don't want to say 1443 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,150 it looks sort of JavaScript D. But yeah, but not if you know, 1444 01:29:27,150 --> 01:29:31,020 JavaScript, you'll you'll pick it up in no time. Okay. 1445 01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,530 Because I mean, is it is it typed is it I don't I know 1446 01:29:34,530 --> 01:29:37,800 nothing about Dart is it's like everything is a widget so 1447 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,830 everything is sort of nested inside itself. 1448 01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,530 But you know, I think I think once you know, one language and 1449 01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:51,720 the, you pretty much can can can punch through and do you know 1450 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,110 any other language pretty much okay, so that's what you're 1451 01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:57,240 talking about earlier, when you said you were gonna like do a 1452 01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:00,000 ground up rewrite of, of the mobile apps is because 1453 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,240 You've learned some stuff now that you did you, you've got 1454 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,610 technical debt, and you're gonna try to go and erase that. 1455 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,220 Exactly, yeah, there's this, there's this technical debt that 1456 01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:10,800 I think to fit, it'd be easier to kind of burn it down and 1457 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,430 start over than to then to try and fix it. And I think that 1458 01:30:14,430 --> 01:30:17,040 would give us a lot of, you know, a lot of other things. 1459 01:30:17,220 --> 01:30:20,370 Like just even basic things. Like my, my sister in law was 1460 01:30:20,370 --> 01:30:24,210 like, Oh, we're not using your app because it isn't a 15 second 1461 01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:26,910 skip and it's like well, like that's obvious easy thing that 1462 01:30:26,910 --> 01:30:31,080 we could add you know, even now without rewriting anything. But 1463 01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:33,570 but it's like we need those kinds of table stakes features a 1464 01:30:33,570 --> 01:30:36,600 new UI component because I think the dad is in a really good spot 1465 01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,080 right now. And just like I said, getting those getting those UI 1466 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,660 things right, and then all the 2.0 stuff will go on there too. 1467 01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:49,170 Oh, cool. Okay, shall we thanks some people DAVE Yes your 1468 01:30:50,430 --> 01:30:53,850 time to hang out Michael we do this. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I 1469 01:30:53,850 --> 01:30:55,320 guess fate fails here we get 1470 01:30:56,460 --> 01:31:01,440 we get Fiat and Fiat fun coupons fee us on coupons fountain slung 1471 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:02,820 some Thea fun coupons at 1472 01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:08,580 $200 from Oscar in the gang over there fountain and we appreciate 1473 01:31:11,130 --> 01:31:15,060 20 This blades only him Paola. Paula. That's really how you do 1474 01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:17,490 it. Don't go to the gas company. Send it to us. 1475 01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:23,310 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Oscar. appreciate a lot of a lot 1476 01:31:23,310 --> 01:31:24,090 of apps. 1477 01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:25,230 A 1478 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,620 lot of people use us even even a couple of bigger company non app 1479 01:31:31,650 --> 01:31:35,130 related companies like media companies. I see them hidden API 1480 01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:38,460 constantly, you know, pretty hard and they've never seen 1481 01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:42,570 anything. They don't give a damn so no, it's always very 1482 01:31:42,570 --> 01:31:46,050 appreciated when when somebody does that. Thank you Oscar. 1483 01:31:46,140 --> 01:31:48,510 Interesting. The bigger the company gets the less they give 1484 01:31:48,510 --> 01:31:51,960 a shit about you. Man. It's so true. 1485 01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,100 John's Birla John's burlock 1486 01:31:57,510 --> 01:32:06,030 $200 Oh, crap 20 his blades on am Paula thank you man. Yeah, 1487 01:32:06,060 --> 01:32:09,120 John says thanks for aggregating and aggravating and hunting down 1488 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,860 those podcasts dupes in the index 1489 01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:15,510 You're welcome John. Love your project man love messing around 1490 01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:19,260 with it. Yeah, always. Always fun. I always love it that you 1491 01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:21,000 you led me down the rabbit hole I'm 1492 01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,940 Adam is trying to de 1493 01:32:24,990 --> 01:32:26,220 hypnotize me today 1494 01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,210 your fix def clear the head 1495 01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:38,610 $10 from Jesse Hunter. No note from Jessie but we appreciate 1496 01:32:38,610 --> 01:32:40,080 that $10 Thank you Jesse. 1497 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,490 That is that is it for some papers and we get some booster 1498 01:32:44,490 --> 01:32:48,960 grams. Gene been 5000 says through cast thematic he says 1499 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,660 I'm starting up a new podcast called volunteer technologist 1500 01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:54,960 and trying to do so utilizing the things y'all talk about. Pod 1501 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,770 ping via Buzzsprout op three dot Dev and LB Saturn. I'm really 1502 01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:01,260 curious to see how these tools and others evolve. I love the 1503 01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:07,320 refocusing on openness. Thank you gene boost Thank you Karen 1504 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,140 for the memory this podcast gave us a big lower row of ducks 22 1505 01:33:10,140 --> 01:33:13,830 to 22 through fountain he said would make my year to come on 1506 01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:15,630 the show Dave hit me up anytime 1507 01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:23,850 you know the going rate is 50,000 SATs to be just missed it 1508 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,880 you just missed oh hey Mike. Mike, do you have an lb wallet 1509 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,390 or something so we can put you in the split for today's show? I 1510 01:33:30,420 --> 01:33:33,120 do I can get that over to you. Yeah, if you email it to me then 1511 01:33:33,150 --> 01:33:36,660 if you can, you can do that as quick as you can. So I can pump 1512 01:33:36,660 --> 01:33:39,600 it out right away and get you in the split. But appreciate that 1513 01:33:39,630 --> 01:33:41,430 show you what real men do. 1514 01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:47,280 Show your real man split. 1515 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:49,410 Oh 1516 01:33:50,850 --> 01:33:52,470 no, that was wrong. I'm sorry. 1517 01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:56,220 I didn't mean it that way. That's it just came out. That 1518 01:33:56,220 --> 01:33:59,610 didn't mean it. Not things that are not a show title. Sorry. 1519 01:34:00,810 --> 01:34:03,660 A real man. Yeah, Karen we'll definitely have you on the show 1520 01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:09,870 card. Don't be so easy to play hard to get. Don't be a pushover 1521 01:34:10,590 --> 01:34:17,250 forged forged foe. Give us a row a row sticks. 11 111. He says go 1522 01:34:17,250 --> 01:34:18,990 podcasting. Oh, thank you. 1523 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,200 Sir lurks a lot. Give us 5000 SATs to pod verse and he says 1524 01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:30,360 you might consider that listeners are looking for a 1525 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,150 signal to help them find good podcasts. Well, we just talked 1526 01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:37,050 about that a minute ago. Its provenance. Its provenance. 1527 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,710 leaderboards are useful because you can presume that as the show 1528 01:34:40,710 --> 01:34:43,920 gets a lot of support, then maybe it is worth checking out. 1529 01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:48,120 I also really like clips as their listener curated samples. 1530 01:34:48,420 --> 01:34:51,210 Discovery is a signal to noise problem for the listeners. These 1531 01:34:51,210 --> 01:34:53,880 things help PS I'm not a podcaster just a podcast 1532 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,910 listener who loves podcasting. 2.0 go podcasting. Yeah, cool. 1533 01:34:56,910 --> 01:34:59,970 Well, you just go podcast. You just learned that 1534 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,900 A lot of that could be coming. We're sucking out the data the 1535 01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:07,890 the node, we're gonna suck out the node and dump into the DB. 1536 01:35:09,059 --> 01:35:14,219 Sir Thank you sir. Looks a lot 5552 from Satoshi stream and he 1537 01:35:14,219 --> 01:35:15,899 just give us a smiley face. Oh. 1538 01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:22,290 Another 5552 Three from Satoshi stream and he says, You 1539 01:35:22,290 --> 01:35:24,930 interface is not live yet rebuilding everything would love 1540 01:35:24,930 --> 01:35:28,500 to talk on PC 2.0 Once we're live eta quarter five. 1541 01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:33,750 There'll be ready quarter five. We'll have you owning quarter 1542 01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:34,200 six. 1543 01:35:35,340 --> 01:35:39,690 will be ready for you. Yeah, we're ready. Yeah. 2100 SATs 1544 01:35:39,690 --> 01:35:43,740 from Bhumi over at the Alby headquarters, through pod verse 1545 01:35:43,740 --> 01:35:47,490 no note from Bumi and he gave us another 2100 Thanks. Thanks, 1546 01:35:47,490 --> 01:35:51,240 booming thanks, boom. George Orwell gave us a row as a little 1547 01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,980 row of sticks. One. C. One 11 was thank you for your courage. 1548 01:35:56,700 --> 01:35:57,240 Thank you. 1549 01:35:58,590 --> 01:36:02,460 Roy scheinfeld. There he is. Different. Here's a different 1550 01:36:02,460 --> 01:36:08,130 one though. This is not 543210. This is 44444. 1551 01:36:09,930 --> 01:36:14,640 And he says it's my 44th birthday. Oh, happy birthday. 1552 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,580 Happy birthday, Roy. He was gonna ride the lightning with 1553 01:36:17,580 --> 01:36:17,820 you. 1554 01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:22,920 Happy Birthday Roy 40 Forbes Shut Up Baby. 1555 01:36:26,610 --> 01:36:31,680 Baby. I didn't know. I didn't know he was that young bastard. 1556 01:36:32,340 --> 01:36:36,270 I hope you have a steak dinner. And excellent hummus on your 1557 01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:40,770 birthday Roy show not to I think I missed it. Shana Tova. 1558 01:36:41,970 --> 01:36:44,760 What does that mean? Happy Rosh HaShana. Happy New Year. Happy 1559 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,770 New Year. Okay. 1560 01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:51,750 Roy came in again with 10,000 SATs and he says his messages 1561 01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:55,560 podcast index.org Oh, I know. She's like, Well, I was only 1562 01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:00,570 sent 44 I feel bad. Normally I send 54321 So 1563 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:07,440 that's a big. I'm a big advocate of guilt. Guilt. Guilt is good. 1564 01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:14,100 Yes. We need more of that. 30 c 3333 from Debow. Deb Bo's de 1565 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:18,390 Bozek through through fountain no note. Thank you. Thank you to 1566 01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:22,890 Bozak LLC nannies 9780 1567 01:37:23,940 --> 01:37:28,710 through fountain from Boris Gazecki. Yeah, Boris kudelski. 1568 01:37:29,190 --> 01:37:31,590 He says you asked about Polish zloty. 1569 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,000 Oh, he's got actual letters in here with like strikes through 1570 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:36,540 them and stuff. 1571 01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:42,480 That's cool. Yeah, you asked about about Polish as Lottie. 1572 01:37:43,050 --> 01:37:49,140 Once Lottie is 978 Satoshi, so I just send 10 zlotys Oh, not 1573 01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:52,650 much. Not much but power in numbers. Starbucks coffee is 1574 01:37:52,650 --> 01:37:57,660 about to 12 zlotys cool right. We have no euro but we are on 1575 01:37:57,660 --> 01:38:00,900 the European Union. On the podcast dot info we have 1576 01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:05,550 registered over 7220 Polish language podcasts with RSS word 1577 01:38:05,550 --> 01:38:09,240 podcasting in Polish means podcasts. Thanks for V for V 1578 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:10,410 international lifestyle 1579 01:38:16,170 --> 01:38:20,370 that's cool. Very cool. Well, you know I would I would love to 1580 01:38:20,850 --> 01:38:24,120 I mean, it's just such a cool name. If the I'm sure that 1581 01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:29,340 they'll do a CtbC as central bank digital currency of this is 1582 01:38:29,340 --> 01:38:32,880 Lottie key imagine boosting someone in zlotys I mean that's 1583 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,280 just Oh man you need all over me 1584 01:38:38,910 --> 01:38:41,610 so CSV didn't give us a good rundown he gave us an 1585 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,630 explanation. Hey, at least I knew of the existence of this 1586 01:38:45,630 --> 01:38:50,460 Lottie Yeah Oh, you were all over as you show me as Lottie 1587 01:38:50,460 --> 01:38:51,150 I'm all over 1588 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:57,930 the Polish language. Lots Z's lots of wise Yeah, lots of 1589 01:38:57,930 --> 01:39:01,590 strikes through letters. Yeah, don't like I was writing this. 1590 01:39:01,620 --> 01:39:03,240 Oh, what I thought No, that's wrong. 1591 01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:06,060 Lash striking out striking. 1592 01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:13,680 SLC, sent as 8008 sets boob donation to fountain and he says 1593 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,390 pouring out SATs for Brianna. 1594 01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:25,770 Jean Everett sent us a row of sticks 11111 He says mini boost 1595 01:39:26,850 --> 01:39:32,340 boost CASP eland Hey Cass extend is 3699 He says 1596 01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:35,520 listen Oh God, this is Dutch. 1597 01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:42,660 Like liquor showed showed you the leg like like I showed you. 1598 01:39:43,500 --> 01:39:45,300 That's the whole message now there's more. 1599 01:39:48,450 --> 01:39:48,870 Hello. 1600 01:39:50,970 --> 01:39:51,510 Oh, 1601 01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:57,330 did I just lose my internet? I hear you. Are you there? Okay, 1602 01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:59,970 Dave. I know what happened. 1603 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,180 Do I know what happens on a second? 1604 01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:05,460 Boot? 1605 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:08,610 Oh wait 1606 01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:11,640 no no when the full freeze 1607 01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:17,880 okay so like a show just so it's a great show which is really a 1608 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,250 little more endearing the wither away. Okay, it's great show 1609 01:40:20,250 --> 01:40:23,070 really nice great show really great show. Yeah, like a like a 1610 01:40:23,070 --> 01:40:27,780 show with you. Okay and then been dunked but dunk thanks 1611 01:40:28,860 --> 01:40:31,560 for for for 1612 01:40:33,450 --> 01:40:40,890 Julie work for your work. Okay, ju li e usually your your work 1613 01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:46,650 you usually usually W E rk is your work. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks 1614 01:40:46,650 --> 01:40:50,910 for your thanks for your work. Licorice liquor shows you the 1615 01:40:50,910 --> 01:40:56,040 dogs voor is usually work. Yeah, exactly. You can get laid in 1616 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:57,570 Amsterdam. Congratulations. 1617 01:40:59,310 --> 01:41:03,000 That's that's the goal. Yes, promise. As long as we have a 1618 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,230 focus here, people. 1619 01:41:06,750 --> 01:41:11,940 Okay, cast cast peeling says get get divorce back on board fund. 1620 01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:17,010 3690 said good luck. With that, yeah, it's gonna take more than 1621 01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:21,150 3697. From time to time, I'll say hey, you know, there's this 1622 01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:24,930 place and you know, and it's a bank and we could have SATs go 1623 01:41:24,930 --> 01:41:28,200 there or Bitcoin. And they actually put it directly into 1624 01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,100 our bank account. He just ignores those emails. You won't 1625 01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:36,270 even you won't even acknowledge I sent them. They go to spam, or 1626 01:41:36,270 --> 01:41:40,500 whatever. Yeah, relaxed mails in his 22 to 22 big road dogs. And 1627 01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:44,130 he's so fountain. He says do have a question for you. Is 1628 01:41:44,130 --> 01:41:47,070 there a site for the super newbie trying to use podcasting 1629 01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:52,200 2.0 A friend Amy is wanting to use this, but don't know where 1630 01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,600 to start. And I'm not finding any place that has all the 1631 01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,110 resources to be able to easily learn how to learn the how tos. 1632 01:41:58,410 --> 01:42:04,620 Also, no sir the relaxed male is not a MGT O W Site, nor is it a 1633 01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:08,400 red pill site. The relaxed male is a site that helps men to take 1634 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,210 control of their lives without playing the victim. Find more 1635 01:42:12,210 --> 01:42:16,860 apt relaxed male.com Go podcasting. Yo yo go well, I was 1636 01:42:16,860 --> 01:42:17,550 gonna almost 1637 01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:22,200 so I'm not sure did you want to start as a listener as a 1638 01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,920 podcaster I guess as a podcaster See, this is the problem. He 1639 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,580 said people say this sometimes they say how do I start with 1640 01:42:29,580 --> 01:42:33,690 podcasting 2.0 And I don't know whether they mean like the tags 1641 01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:36,270 and the namespace or that they mean value for value, I don't 1642 01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:36,960 know right? 1643 01:42:38,430 --> 01:42:42,270 Be more clear and send another boost and we'll help you if you 1644 01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:44,400 want to start with value for value if that's what you're 1645 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:44,940 wanting 1646 01:42:46,620 --> 01:42:53,190 lots of good at, I would suggest to go to podcaster wallet and 1647 01:42:53,190 --> 01:42:57,420 claim your feed and then there's a there's links there in the 1648 01:42:57,420 --> 01:43:00,270 podcast or what dashboard to each of the services where you 1649 01:43:00,270 --> 01:43:05,220 can sign up to do it and I would suggest you click on some of 1650 01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:09,900 those links in just read because like Fountain has a really good 1651 01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:15,270 guide Alvey has a good guide to she stream I'll be in Fountain 1652 01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:21,150 nice 1653 01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:24,360 I'm here all weekend. 1654 01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:27,630 Yeah, just click, 1655 01:43:29,700 --> 01:43:32,850 click, click on this stuff, click on those links and just 1656 01:43:32,850 --> 01:43:35,700 read about them and see, you know, they're pretty clear 1657 01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:39,030 they'll tell you want to do that. Like if it's like the tags 1658 01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:41,700 and things like that just post your question jump on podcasts 1659 01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:44,640 and so social or whatever NASA will it will help you out or 1660 01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:49,080 value for value dot info. You want to learn about value for 1661 01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,480 value the international lifestyle and there are some 1662 01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:54,270 guides some points there to some guides. 1663 01:43:57,210 --> 01:44:02,250 Stick I'm still laughing about that. Mitch says 3333 from pod 1664 01:44:02,250 --> 01:44:05,910 verse. Thanks, Mitch. Thank you, buddy. No note, Dave Jackson 1665 01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:09,930 from the school of podcasting podcasting Hall of Famer pod 1666 01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:12,810 verse he says great show is always in honor of international 1667 01:44:12,810 --> 01:44:15,720 podcast day. Any chance of hearing the daily source intro 1668 01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,760 for old times sake? Oh, 1669 01:44:19,230 --> 01:44:24,150 I don't know if I have it. DSC opener. I will read that on a 1670 01:44:24,150 --> 01:44:25,470 path to Redux. 1671 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,780 sysadmins is showing five nines on time 1672 01:44:31,980 --> 01:44:33,030 21st century of 1673 01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:39,180 unknowing 1674 01:44:45,450 --> 01:44:48,060 that is so young. You know what I should have done? 1675 01:44:50,850 --> 01:44:51,450 Was it 1676 01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:59,970 was Yeah, I guess it is 1677 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,990 No wonder where's my 1678 01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:05,190 I screwed it up already. I can't I can't figure anything out 1679 01:45:05,190 --> 01:45:09,240 anymore. Once you do, I was gonna do something incredibly 1680 01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:13,110 cute and start a song but now I can't find the song. So so. 1681 01:45:13,380 --> 01:45:13,800 Yeah, 1682 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:18,750 Linkin Park rolls send us 10,000 sets. Thank you Linkin Park. No 1683 01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:19,260 note. 1684 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:26,430 Oh jump jump of the live champ podcast in his 20,202 sets. At 1685 01:45:26,430 --> 01:45:29,040 the pod version. He says pretty sure Obama was drinking hot dog 1686 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:29,850 flavored water 1687 01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,700 No, I did well, let me let me let me try this. Do you mind if 1688 01:45:35,700 --> 01:45:37,860 I just take it back? Well fix it and post no one will ever 1689 01:45:37,860 --> 01:45:41,070 notice. Do it. Okay, all right, here we go. Just just for my own 1690 01:45:41,070 --> 01:45:41,400 vibe. 1691 01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:46,620 Sis admins is showing five nines uptime. 1692 01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:50,460 21st century of radio starts here. 1693 01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:55,020 Live on noise 1694 01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:58,830 carry 1695 01:46:02,940 --> 01:46:06,600 thank God, it's Friday, everybody. Turn up the knob and 1696 01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:07,020 ribbon 1697 01:46:13,260 --> 01:46:17,310 this oh man, you can't take you can't take the DJ out of the 1698 01:46:17,310 --> 01:46:19,800 guy. You just can't do it. It was so good when I do that. 1699 01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:24,690 You're just full of joy. You're so full of joy when you do that. 1700 01:46:25,290 --> 01:46:28,110 I love it. I was that guy from the opening? Yeah. All right. 1701 01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:31,860 Oh, sorry. Mike, you still there? Yes, it was great. 1702 01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,780 User. Let's see we got a we got a boost 2020 52 through fountain 1703 01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:45,900 from user 8879640 a 1264210. He says, Thank you for this early 1704 01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:48,690 work in helping build this value for value infrastructure. You've 1705 01:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,320 inspired our high school robotics team. Oh, Nightcrawler 1706 01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,910 2052 Here in Minnesota to start our own weekly podcast as a way 1707 01:46:56,910 --> 01:47:00,330 to distribute information to our supporters and fans. Oh, cool. 1708 01:47:00,630 --> 01:47:04,080 Nice. It is another exciting update in our learning process 1709 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:07,230 with new technology and the possibilities that opens up. Let 1710 01:47:07,230 --> 01:47:11,460 me hear let me hear you. Holla. Hey, let us know when you're up. 1711 01:47:12,270 --> 01:47:14,490 Yeah, I'll subscribe. And we'll promote it. 1712 01:47:15,570 --> 01:47:19,980 Oh, man, that's great. Nervous nother nerd podcast. Yeah, but 1713 01:47:19,980 --> 01:47:22,650 who gets the sass the school system or the or the teacher? 1714 01:47:22,650 --> 01:47:24,450 What has that word? No. They 1715 01:47:26,610 --> 01:47:29,640 know that. Everybody? Everybody on the team gets a split. Yeah. 1716 01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:30,690 Because that's what I would say. 1717 01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:37,470 Mike Dell 3002 sets. He says a pod ping from power press boost 1718 01:47:37,470 --> 01:47:38,340 go podcasting? 1719 01:47:41,370 --> 01:47:44,370 Yeah, I haven't been talking about that. That's the I'm 1720 01:47:44,370 --> 01:47:47,550 seeing the power press boost. I mean, power press pod things 1721 01:47:47,550 --> 01:47:51,030 come through. Yeah, that's dynamite. I want to get to I 1722 01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:55,620 really want to get Horowitz on all this stuff. But yeah, that's 1723 01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:59,460 well, because he's stuck in Lipson land, or I don't know if 1724 01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:03,600 he's on blueberry, or I, you know, he had Feedburner in the 1725 01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,380 middle of his chain somehow and a whole bunch of and so we 1726 01:48:07,380 --> 01:48:10,530 finally worked it all out with him. But now I don't remember. 1727 01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:13,800 But you know, his his he does everything on WordPress. And so, 1728 01:48:14,130 --> 01:48:16,650 you know, that is kind of the downside, when you're using a 1729 01:48:16,650 --> 01:48:20,250 WordPress with a certain plugin that works a certain way. You 1730 01:48:20,250 --> 01:48:24,000 can't just add something else to it. And then it will mess up the 1731 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,000 site because he likes to just make one post and it posts on 1732 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:32,610 the website and it does the podcast, but I don't know. Is he 1733 01:48:32,670 --> 01:48:35,340 is he using PowerPress? Or what's the you know, WordPress? 1734 01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:39,750 I'm not sure. Okay, he's using something that used to connect 1735 01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:43,890 to feed burner for your pod feed burner. Yeah, don't even get me 1736 01:48:43,890 --> 01:48:44,430 started. 1737 01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:49,980 Frank Ducey. Well, I mean, he could claim his podcast and the 1738 01:48:49,980 --> 01:48:52,350 podcaster wallet and be done with Yeah, but I don't want to 1739 01:48:52,350 --> 01:48:53,400 help him screw him. 1740 01:48:56,220 --> 01:49:00,030 Franco Celerio from Casta Mannix thank you everybody Franco's 1741 01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:04,890 since 1038 sets, no note. Thank you Franco Bomer I was looking 1742 01:49:04,890 --> 01:49:08,580 forward to a note from Franco, Brian of London and hive Dao 1743 01:49:08,700 --> 01:49:15,060 50,003 88 sets Z for V app and he says, Shana Tova and Mahatma 1744 01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:18,540 Tova to all the shapeshifters in the audience 1745 01:49:25,410 --> 01:49:26,700 I was touched on October 1746 01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:37,380 Yeah. So Shana, Happy New Year Happy Shana. Tova Shun. Not a 1747 01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:41,100 lot, but I've always pronounced that Shana Tova. What about 1748 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,830 Gamar Hatoyama Tova 1749 01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:47,340 G. Mar, I think I dated her in college. 1750 01:49:49,290 --> 01:49:52,260 Wow, she's a wild girl. He is. Yeah, she's nice. 1751 01:49:54,180 --> 01:49:59,700 Thanks, Brian. Dovid us through fountain of dividends from our 1752 01:49:59,700 --> 01:49:59,970 system. 1753 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:04,770 Lu, he's not sure we 25,013 says he's not sure I agree on the 1754 01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:07,560 extent of the problem regarding music uploads and legality. 1755 01:50:07,950 --> 01:50:10,590 People could already upload someone else's content without 1756 01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:13,680 these new tags. Anchor is facing challenges because their service 1757 01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,490 is free. Ours is blue is not free. But that means that we can 1758 01:50:17,490 --> 01:50:20,130 not only afford to offer great customer support, we can also 1759 01:50:20,130 --> 01:50:23,130 detect content uploaded by malicious actors. Oh great stead 1760 01:50:23,130 --> 01:50:27,030 of using unreliable detection tools now. Hey, I'm all for it. 1761 01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:29,880 Man. I love you guys for doing it. Don't get me wrong, I 1762 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,600 support you. 100% just just want to protect you brother. 1763 01:50:35,490 --> 01:50:41,790 Todd Cochrane 55,420 Sasser fountain Oh, hello. He says big 1764 01:50:41,790 --> 01:50:44,460 thanks today for coming on the new media show and giving us two 1765 01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,660 hours of his time. response so far have been interesting. Lots 1766 01:50:48,660 --> 01:50:51,450 of things from independent podcasters but it's been pretty 1767 01:50:51,450 --> 01:50:54,720 much crickets from podcasts companies still haven't had this 1768 01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:58,020 much fun in many years with my clothes on go find castings it's 1769 01:51:00,810 --> 01:51:04,380 so that so the livestream ended weirdly and I had sent three 1770 01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:08,760 boosts I think he got them all did he read heard them all? Did 1771 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,610 he read the last one? Yeah, where you said Take your shirt 1772 01:51:11,610 --> 01:51:12,240 off big boy. 1773 01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,350 Because he was like, this is the most fun I've had with my 1774 01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:20,130 clothes. I'm like, 50,000 set aside to take. Take your shirt 1775 01:51:20,130 --> 01:51:20,820 off big boy. 1776 01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,240 They did read that. Okay. Yeah, he did. Yeah, you had that one 1777 01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:24,870 to raise. 1778 01:51:26,430 --> 01:51:29,280 That was awesome. Yeah. Thanks, Todd. It was great fun. Yeah. 1779 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,670 Had a good time. If you miss if anybody cares that we just went 1780 01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:37,890 through the whole No, it was a great episode. If you can watch 1781 01:51:37,890 --> 01:51:41,700 the video, the whole slide deck that the Dave presented at 1782 01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:43,020 Podcast Movement 1783 01:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,850 except for some Invalid XML on one of the slides that I caught. 1784 01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,660 That's like, I I would never catch involved. I mean, how many 1785 01:51:54,660 --> 01:51:57,390 times I've screwed up my RSS feed. Yeah, that's my job. But 1786 01:51:58,710 --> 01:52:02,430 I know you put some XML on on a slide. Oh, wait a minute. That's 1787 01:52:02,430 --> 01:52:04,830 invalid. Dave. I'm 1788 01:52:06,780 --> 01:52:09,570 texting him during the show. Man. It's Invalid XML and a page 1789 01:52:09,570 --> 01:52:09,870 bro. 1790 01:52:11,190 --> 01:52:14,400 Made me feel like a douche. But it was really it was very good. 1791 01:52:14,820 --> 01:52:19,500 In fact, that's for our previous guy. Our previous booster, go 1792 01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:23,970 take a look at that. Just just it's a great tutorial, great 1793 01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:26,940 primer, primer, whatever you want to call it that just really 1794 01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:29,340 kind of gets you into Alright, these are all the things that 1795 01:52:29,340 --> 01:52:33,570 come again. May I just say I got blessed Todd Cochran again, man, 1796 01:52:33,570 --> 01:52:37,500 he has seen the light he is he's, he's all in he's like, Oh, 1797 01:52:37,530 --> 01:52:40,440 I think he's kind of like shoot, I should have been all in 1798 01:52:40,440 --> 01:52:45,300 already. And he says Make it as much yeah, it's good. Um, so and 1799 01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:48,420 this is going to differentiate his company to say they're 1800 01:52:48,420 --> 01:52:50,670 putting their money where their mouth is man pod pod paying 1801 01:52:50,670 --> 01:52:55,290 through PowerPress Yeah, that's cool. That's that's that's not a 1802 01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:57,960 small undertaking. And Castillo's did it, you know, a 1803 01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,870 few months ago with seriously simple plugin. And it's it 1804 01:53:00,870 --> 01:53:04,890 requires work. That's a real commitment in and I'm really 1805 01:53:04,890 --> 01:53:08,220 grateful that they did that. Because that, that brings in, 1806 01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:14,550 that brings in a lot more feeds. PowerPress is got a big base, 1807 01:53:14,580 --> 01:53:19,170 big install base. And so like that, that helps us so the pod 1808 01:53:19,170 --> 01:53:23,220 ping not to get too far off the rails here. But the pod pod ping 1809 01:53:25,230 --> 01:53:29,550 is a discovery tool for us. We and everybody I mean, not just 1810 01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:33,120 us, everybody who watches the pod ping blockchain can find new 1811 01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:37,650 feeds this way. But the fees that are really hard to find, 1812 01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:42,120 like really hard to find our feeds that are independently 1813 01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:46,170 hosted on things like WordPress, and they're not in iTunes, 1814 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:50,460 right? That means you pretty much have to just randomly come 1815 01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:52,770 across them on a on an internet crawl. 1816 01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:55,440 That's not common. 1817 01:53:56,490 --> 01:54:01,350 So having those podcasts and I've seen some of them come 1818 01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:06,090 through things like like a Jewish. There were some one that 1819 01:54:06,090 --> 01:54:09,210 came through the other day. It's like a Jewish podcast. It's not 1820 01:54:09,210 --> 01:54:14,490 an iTunes. And it's like a it's almost like a local synagogue. I 1821 01:54:14,490 --> 01:54:18,090 mean, we didn't have it. We didn't even know this thing 1822 01:54:18,090 --> 01:54:20,850 existed. And we wouldn't have known it existed without 1823 01:54:20,850 --> 01:54:24,300 popping. So this is fantastic. I'm a really appreciate. 1824 01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:29,370 Appreciate blueberry and Castillo's putting that into 1825 01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:32,280 their WordPress product. Yes, that is very helpful scrim. 1826 01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:38,580 Bouverie 21 112 Since a big rush boosts through boost CLI because 1827 01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,340 he's old school like that, and he says, I think I know the 1828 01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:46,020 answer already. Does rock Finn qualify as V for V. Also Adams 1829 01:54:46,020 --> 01:54:49,110 thoughts about video podcasts are confirmed true. Audio Only 1830 01:54:49,110 --> 01:54:53,670 is more mysterious. There's a mystique. The mental mindfuck 1831 01:54:53,670 --> 01:54:54,600 can be nice. 1832 01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:59,970 Boost. I don't know about rock fan. I don't know what Ron Thane 1833 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,470 I don't know I think about it when 1834 01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,040 there's some sort of tipping thing and I was watching. 1835 01:55:06,299 --> 01:55:09,299 I was watching their show last night live stream for a while as 1836 01:55:09,299 --> 01:55:12,809 I was prepping for the show today. And I saw the little 1837 01:55:12,809 --> 01:55:15,599 tipping thing at the top and it and stayed zero the whole show. 1838 01:55:15,629 --> 01:55:21,659 So tipping doesn't work. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Brooklyn. See 1839 01:55:21,659 --> 01:55:25,979 Brooklyn 112 gave us 3333 through curio caster, he says. 1840 01:55:26,429 --> 01:55:29,939 Happy International podcast day. Yes. Thank you. Thanks to Chris. 1841 01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:37,260 Blueberry again 17 776 Mega Liberty boost. Through pod 1842 01:55:37,260 --> 01:55:39,720 verse. He says lavish now went oh, wait, that's the one you 1843 01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:40,380 read earlier. Yeah. 1844 01:55:41,820 --> 01:55:42,150 Okay. 1845 01:55:43,260 --> 01:55:46,020 Okay, well, then we got comic strip blog there. delimiter. 1846 01:55:46,050 --> 01:55:50,610 There he is. 15,033 cents. Through fountain he says Howdy, 1847 01:55:50,610 --> 01:55:54,180 David. Adam. Your audiences invited to our podcast with news 1848 01:55:54,180 --> 01:55:57,900 about artificial intelligence narrated by soon to be famous TV 1849 01:55:57,900 --> 01:56:01,800 Show Developer Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from England, 1850 01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,940 just up in your web browser or any podcatcher AI dot cooking 1851 01:56:05,970 --> 01:56:07,890 stay safe with Jesus yo. 1852 01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:13,500 Very much comic strip blogger. Yeah, thanks, chemistry boy. 1853 01:56:13,650 --> 01:56:14,070 Thank you, I 1854 01:56:15,660 --> 01:56:19,560 guess the monthlies here through Pay Pal drips God give us $15 1855 01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:24,990 Thank you. Thank you, Bruce. Jeff Miller $20 Michael Kimmerer 1856 01:56:24,990 --> 01:56:32,190 $5.33 Leslie Martin $2 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro Gon calvess 1857 01:56:32,220 --> 01:56:35,880 $5 That's our group. Thank you all so much for contributing 1858 01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:40,260 value back to the project to the show. podcast index.org right 1859 01:56:40,260 --> 01:56:42,810 there on the homepage we explain what we do we explain what the 1860 01:56:42,810 --> 01:56:46,530 money is used for. Spoiler we're not getting any 1861 01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:54,630 you can also find a PayPal link there and QR codes don't let's 1862 01:56:54,630 --> 01:56:58,230 see if anyone used it after all those years of asking let's see. 1863 01:57:00,780 --> 01:57:03,570 Have we checked that recently? Usually there's nothing but I 1864 01:57:03,570 --> 01:57:05,430 just want to make sure that someone didn't give us a million 1865 01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:08,730 dollars in Bitcoin and we missed it that would really be sad. 1866 01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:13,350 Spencer said in the chat he says a rock fan you check the quote 1867 01:57:13,380 --> 01:57:18,390 these bros on my shit box to join. Okay, this podcast 1868 01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:22,020 index.org sites not loading. I mean it's loading but then it 1869 01:57:22,020 --> 01:57:26,460 goes away. It's like the like a JavaScript or something is 1870 01:57:26,490 --> 01:57:27,420 hijacking it. 1871 01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,170 See word up when it came up through? 1872 01:57:33,390 --> 01:57:36,150 Is it is it didn't it goes blank. Oh, yeah, it happened. 1873 01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:37,140 That was to me to 1874 01:57:39,630 --> 01:57:43,920 wait, maybe I need to block some. Yeah, my lb popped up. 1875 01:57:45,870 --> 01:57:49,890 Could it be an lb thing? Let's see podcast. index.org. Get on. 1876 01:57:49,890 --> 01:57:53,430 Let me turn on. Let me turn on, I gotta put shields back up. 1877 01:57:53,580 --> 01:57:54,330 Shields up. 1878 01:57:56,190 --> 01:58:01,050 Now, same thing, it's it loads and then then it disappears. At 1879 01:58:01,050 --> 01:58:05,010 type air as a type error failed to construct media metadata. 1880 01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,880 HTTPS can't be resolved to a valid URL. We have an issue. We 1881 01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:09,630 have a problem. 1882 01:58:11,070 --> 01:58:15,600 What does that what is going on? No idea. This this is a bunch of 1883 01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,470 stuff. Whenever it says there's a problem in bundle dot j s 1884 01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:22,530 that's a that's like a web pack thing. I have no idea what it 1885 01:58:22,530 --> 01:58:22,920 is. 1886 01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:28,500 Well, I don't know. I think if we wait long enough, it'll fix 1887 01:58:28,500 --> 01:58:29,940 it. Oh, no, of course it will. But 1888 01:58:31,950 --> 01:58:34,620 I propose we do nothing. Now. What was I gonna do? Oh, I was 1889 01:58:34,620 --> 01:58:37,320 only trying to find the tally coin address. All right. Well, 1890 01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:40,350 we'll have to Okay. If you go to it's just the homepage that's 1891 01:58:40,350 --> 01:58:44,280 doing that the Apps page is okay. The stats page is good. 1892 01:58:45,930 --> 01:58:48,990 I'm telling you it has something to do with the with this. It's 1893 01:58:48,990 --> 01:58:53,460 trying to bring up the image in the player the random the rails 1894 01:58:53,460 --> 01:58:57,030 show the slider? Yeah, I think that's a carousel. Here's a 1895 01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:59,430 carousel because I see that loading and then it then it 1896 01:58:59,460 --> 01:59:04,980 flashes away. Yeah, it'll fix itself. Yes. Let me see if I 1897 01:59:04,980 --> 01:59:07,410 want to get to that page. I want to see what it's trying to load. 1898 01:59:08,250 --> 01:59:11,550 I can't can't get it. All right. Nevermind. 1899 01:59:13,590 --> 01:59:15,300 What were we even trying to do? I forgot. 1900 01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:18,930 I don't know. I was gonna look at tally coin. I was gonna look 1901 01:59:18,930 --> 01:59:20,250 at Oh, yeah. 1902 01:59:21,810 --> 01:59:23,130 Support cards, and here it is. 1903 01:59:24,150 --> 01:59:24,630 Okay. 1904 01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:30,600 And yeah, okay. Well, I should have nothing is usual now. 1905 01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,870 Nope. Last one, from August 26. It was from Drib. 1906 01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,970 Mike, how does it does it make money and are you making any 1907 01:59:41,970 --> 01:59:42,330 money? 1908 01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:47,400 We're not like I mean, we are our costs are pretty low. We 1909 01:59:47,400 --> 01:59:51,540 actually do a lot of the a lot of the computation locally, and 1910 01:59:51,540 --> 01:59:56,310 then we push stuff up to Amazon. So it's a pretty low overhead 1911 01:59:56,460 --> 01:59:59,670 thing to keep up. But now we don't make money yet. Well, 1912 01:59:59,670 --> 01:59:59,970 how's your 1913 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,760 What's your plan to make money? Are you going to do charge 1914 02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:06,210 premium? Or are you going to do value for value? Like, what do 1915 02:00:06,210 --> 02:00:10,470 you have? You have an idea about value for value, I think tooling 1916 02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:13,350 for, for folks that are looking for 1917 02:00:14,940 --> 02:00:17,220 maybe like, you could imagine an advertiser trying to find a 1918 02:00:17,220 --> 02:00:20,280 podcast. There's, there's a couple of tools out there 1919 02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:23,130 already for that, but I don't they mostly rely on Apple's 100 1920 02:00:23,130 --> 02:00:25,590 categories. And so I think giving somebody a million ways 1921 02:00:25,590 --> 02:00:29,580 to find the podcasts that are relevant could be, you know, a 1922 02:00:29,580 --> 02:00:30,660 big, big win. 1923 02:00:32,610 --> 02:00:36,210 We're mostly looking at those kinds of kinds of models to make 1924 02:00:36,210 --> 02:00:41,610 money. Okay. Okay. That's cuz, I mean, we ever just put something 1925 02:00:41,610 --> 02:00:43,860 in the app where people can pay you. 1926 02:00:45,390 --> 02:00:48,150 We will, I guess there'll be the with the via, for you just just 1927 02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:51,270 general like Patreon or something? Well, either way, I 1928 02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:55,350 mean, like a premium, you know, purchase, like a, you know, 1929 02:00:55,350 --> 02:00:57,720 annual subscription or something like that, or a value for you 1930 02:00:57,720 --> 02:00:59,880 know, or taking a cut of value for value. Because I mean, all 1931 02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:04,650 these apps, if you if you have a subscription, I mean, I'll do it 1932 02:01:04,650 --> 02:01:07,740 I do I do it with all of them. It's, you know, for support, and 1933 02:01:07,740 --> 02:01:08,640 then I'm sure 1934 02:01:09,900 --> 02:01:14,430 you know, it brings in with the search, because our IV is going 1935 02:01:14,430 --> 02:01:17,220 to be on my rotation now, because 1936 02:01:18,450 --> 02:01:21,300 I didn't realize until a few days ago when I started playing 1937 02:01:21,300 --> 02:01:24,270 with it, that how strong the search was, and that's really 1938 02:01:24,270 --> 02:01:28,650 valuable. So I know it's I agree. I agree. I think it's 1939 02:01:28,650 --> 02:01:30,120 really valuable. And 1940 02:01:31,770 --> 02:01:35,340 yeah, I personally, I like the value for value more than the 1941 02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:39,180 subscriptions. Dave just wants to give you money. So just give 1942 02:01:39,180 --> 02:01:42,870 him a QR code. Yes to me. Yeah. Give me your ABI wallet, and 1943 02:01:42,870 --> 02:01:43,800 I'll send you some money. 1944 02:01:44,820 --> 02:01:45,420 Sounds great. 1945 02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:49,650 Did you have a chance to send me your? 1946 02:01:51,180 --> 02:01:55,470 Your your Albea wallet address? Yes, I'm sending it right. Okay, 1947 02:01:55,470 --> 02:01:57,960 good. Good. Because we're nearing the end. And you know, I 1948 02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,480 just like to get it done. Get it up, get it out. But But Bada 1949 02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:01,260 bing, bada boom. 1950 02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:06,000 We get we need to talk about face six. The namespace. But I 1951 02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,580 mean, we might just want to wait until next week, or what do you 1952 02:02:08,580 --> 02:02:12,720 think? Well, we're two hours or two hours in? Do you have a job? 1953 02:02:13,590 --> 02:02:17,010 I do actually have one. Do you want to keep your job? 1954 02:02:18,270 --> 02:02:24,420 Talk about namespace things. Six and no. Yeah, jobs are good. So 1955 02:02:25,230 --> 02:02:28,530 if we can have the podcast industrial complex, stop putting 1956 02:02:28,530 --> 02:02:30,600 their foot in their mouth, we won't have to talk about him so 1957 02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:33,960 much on the next at the next board meeting. That's true. And 1958 02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,330 nothing will happen this week that will cause us to be 1959 02:02:36,330 --> 02:02:38,850 distracted. So we can go straight. We can go straight to 1960 02:02:38,850 --> 02:02:42,150 the namespace on the next show. Yep, yep. Yep. Hey, Mike, man, 1961 02:02:42,150 --> 02:02:47,130 thank you so much. And you and your wife for for iv.fm. And I 1962 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:52,140 actually tried to load it on my graphene OS through the the 1963 02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:54,960 virtual store and I'm having some trouble. So I'm gonna see 1964 02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,960 if I can get that loaded. But even but I agree with Dave, the 1965 02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:00,870 search is phenomenal. I really liked that. And I appreciate 1966 02:03:00,870 --> 02:03:03,600 that. And I want to check my stats. Um, I guess the stats, 1967 02:03:04,620 --> 02:03:07,920 like stats, man, I gotta go check myself as cool. The one 1968 02:03:08,430 --> 02:03:11,160 you haven't, by the way, the websites back by the way, it's 1969 02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:14,160 60. So yeah, of course. Of course. My job here is done. 1970 02:03:18,090 --> 02:03:20,670 All right, Dave. Everything good. We are cool. Yeah, 1971 02:03:20,670 --> 02:03:24,810 everything's great. Yeah. Had a great time. Thanks, Mike. And, 1972 02:03:25,020 --> 02:03:26,040 yeah, I'm good. I'm just 1973 02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:30,600 heading for getting back to work. And then got the weekend. 1974 02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:33,330 I think I'm gonna work on cleaning up some of the 1975 02:03:33,330 --> 02:03:38,400 formatting for namespace for the face six, and then I've got to 1976 02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:42,870 pull in John Chinggis, soundbytes improvement 1977 02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:47,220 proposals. And so hopefully, by the end of the weekend, I will 1978 02:03:47,220 --> 02:03:54,120 have everything ready to go for namespace six discussions. And 1979 02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:54,510 then 1980 02:03:55,620 --> 02:03:58,650 I'm actually going to gonna try to carve out some time for that. 1981 02:03:59,550 --> 02:04:03,000 For the massive dump of the boost as I want to work on that 1982 02:04:03,060 --> 02:04:05,280 massive dumps coming. 1983 02:04:06,990 --> 02:04:09,660 All right. Thanks, brother. Mike. Thank you so much, man. So 1984 02:04:09,660 --> 02:04:12,120 you'd say hi to the to your better half who clearly is doing 1985 02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:13,410 the work. Alright. Yes. 1986 02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:18,570 And thank you chatroom. Thank you, everybody for attending the 1987 02:04:18,570 --> 02:04:21,540 board meeting podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back next Friday. 1988 02:04:21,690 --> 02:04:25,230 Namespace six we promise See you then everybody bye bye. 1989 02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:45,510 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1990 02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:48,210 index.org For more information 1991 02:04:49,980 --> 02:04:53,070 Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula 1992 02:04:56,910 --> 02:04:57,840 boost