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podcasting 2.0 for September
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Brianna? Hello, everybody.
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social. I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama, the man

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who knows if you've got music in
your feed, say a lot of my

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friend on the other end, ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

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Man, so beautiful here. So, so
nice. Like, low 70s. Outside no

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humidity. Yeah, it's just
beautiful. Yeah,

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I have to say I was in Georgia
last week. And it was warmer

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than it is there now today where
you are. But it was also really

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nice. Just a break from the
Texas heat was very welcome.

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Let you get lucky because South
Georgia is usually like the

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surface of the sun. Right? Oh,
hot there

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right. Now it was it was really
good. I loved it. And I made

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about

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you, you sound like you had a
good trip.

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It was a really good trip.
Particularly all the stories of

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this was the beef initiative
food intelligence Summit. And

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this is a lot of people who are
a lot of people who are

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understanding what it is to live
on a diet of pure, you know,

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grass fed, grass finished, most
would say, depending on your

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taste profile, animal protein.
And so besides you know, and

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really connecting ranchers, to a
new audience, in this case,

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Bitcoiners, because Bitcoiners
are willing to try anything and

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they got money, basically, I
think that was the initial idea.

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But it turns out, they all kind
of understand store of value for

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the rancher, it's in the cow,
the ranchers checking account if

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he has one as a processing
plant. So then there's all these

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all these these similarities,
but ranchers have been in

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America have been systematically
pushed towards the commodity

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business of look, you just raise
it, you ship them off to us, and

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then we'll chop them up. And
we'll do whatever, mainly, you

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know, ship that over to other
countries. So, you know, in

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America, we're not really even
eating our own beef. You know,

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it's from South America,
Australia, but also the health

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benefits, which is, you know, I
don't even know where you stand

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on that. But it's been quite
amazing to see people who have

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had issues for 20 years start to
clear them up, and like two

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weeks

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there, followed this now, do you
know the meat only diet? Do you

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know?

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Yeah, the corner of the
carnivore code? Sure. Yeah.

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So I followed this guy years
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when the doctor whatever his
name is,

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no, this guy, no, this, this is
just a just a dude. And this

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dude. Just the dude, you know,
he decided that he was going to

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eat just meat, only meat. This
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a carnivore diet. And he kept
this journal. This is probably I

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don't know, eight or nine years
ago, he kept this journal of of

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what what happened to his body,
how he felt all these kinds of

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things. And he was like, I think
the age was, I think he was

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around 60 or so. And so he was
like, you know, I'm just gonna

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do this and see what happens. He
was sort of one of those

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experimenter and have one guy's
and so he starts doing it. And

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he the ordered, so there's a
place out in Texas called

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Slickers. Yeah, which is like a
grass fed beef. And they got

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more than just beef is all grass
fed. It's all natural stuff. So

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he orders there is like, half
and half like a hat, like a one

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to one ratio of regular beef.
That was like, ground beef, like

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15% fat, and then their dog food
beef. Oh, yeah. Was there it had

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all the organ meats and
everything

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in it. That was now being
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Interesting.

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Yes, exactly. Yeah. So he's
like, you know, it says not for

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human consumption, but it's the
same stuff as everybody else

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gets. So and he ate it raw

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dough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Well, now it's what I heard a

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lot of these right and I'm gonna
put this clip in the show notes.

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It's about three minutes. It's
Texas slim on the higher side

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chats and he explains it so
well. In three minutes. It's

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it's phenomenal.

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Did he name that thing that
beef? Dave and telefoon

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intelligence.

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It's all him. It's all him?
Because that's a great name. Oh,

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yeah. No, this guy's listened to
a couple of couple just for a

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little bit of this. This guy's a
born but now he's a rancher.

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fifth, fourth or fifth
generation, West Texas. But he

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also worked right after college
years, which he didn't graduate.

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He just attended college in
Austin. Just all the rest of us.

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Yeah, exactly what he just
audited. So he has no degree.

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And he I think, right on
the.com, boom, boom, boom, he

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was involved in telecom and
other things, but he's a rancher

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at heart. And also rodeo guy.

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Let me see. So you look out, you
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hyperinflation at this time.
Well, you can look at bitcoin is

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basically a store of value that
will fight hyperinflation, and

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it's happening right in front of
us right now. And people say,

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well, it's too volatile. No,
it's not volatile. It's gone up

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100% its lifespan for the last
11 years in and I use the

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comparison the same? Well, you
want to look at volatility. You

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know, I was in big tech, I was
in.com, boom days, I was

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younger, and I was in innovation
at that time, and you don't

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wanna talk volatility? How about
Amazon crashing over 80%, over

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nine times in its history that's
volatile. And you look at a

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stock like Apple where you
couldn't even trade for it. It

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was against the law in
Massachusetts to buy Apple

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stock. You know, you've looked
at the stock market, you look at

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our financial systems and
Bitcoin, a lot of people don't

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understand it, because it gets a
bad rap. Because what they're

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doing is they're doing a
prohibition of really

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understanding what Bitcoin is,
because it is a decentralized

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currency that has a store of
value that we've never seen in a

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digital form. And, you know, you
look at my grandfather, he

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understood what Bitcoin was, he
just didn't have it. He

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understood what a store of value
was. And he had that store value

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in his land. And the cattle
itself

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goes on. It's really good.

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Yeah. If I saw something in the,
in the local papers about a

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thing called the beef
initiative, food intelligence

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summit, I would go right. Yes,
definitely. I would go.

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Yeah, exactly. It was really
good. And it's also I mean, it's

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amazing how little people know
about their food, just in

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general. So it's a great
educational, you know, it's but

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But it all comes down to value
and people who understand value

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and you know, actually, value
for value, he kind of borrowed

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that and adopted that to the
beef initiative. And in turn, I

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stole the New International
lifestyle. I'm like this, I'm

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taking that bitch, that's a good
one. Like that. And we become

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really good friends. And I've
met all these incredible

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ranchers and their story. I
mean, it's just, it's

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phenomenal. You know, some of
these people were stockbrokers,

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boom, change, you know, 20 years
ago, 911, boom, done, go do

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something else, and then also
heal themselves. And it's magic,

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David's magic. But you know who
else is magic? My new hero, my

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new hero. And I, I liked him
from the get go the first time

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he showed up in the group. When
we hung out at podcast moving

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like, as guys cool, he's got a
lot going on in his brain. But

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little did I know that he was
such a troublemaker, and a man

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after my own heart, in a very
subversive way. John Spurlock is

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just he's the shit. John
Spurlock has done something so

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cool. The listening to pod land
and God bless Todd, from

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blueberry and in the new media
show. He is so honest, and so

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open about his feelings and

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his rattle off Todd. So Oh,
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his response to OP three, the
open podcast prefix project was,

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I mean, it was just beautiful,
because it showed me Yeah, it

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the genesis of the podcast
industrial complex. It taught me

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a lot about what they're dealing
with, or what they've dealt with

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how captured it all is. And in a
way, it's funny, because I don't

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know if you if you heard the
whole show, and I've I've heard

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most of it at this point. Most
of it. Yeah. But I want to make

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it clear that you know, this is
John Spurlock put this together

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this is not necessarily
podcasting. 2.0 is direction or

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vision or, or we're gonna build
a stat service or anything like

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that. But it was it was that
interpretation that really, like

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holy crap, I had no idea that
this is

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this is what I loved hearing
about. Oh, yeah, the history

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there.

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Oh, yeah. And the back rooms and
the emotions and the months of

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negotiating. And then at the end
of the day, we you know,

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everyone has to pay a $50,000
membership fee to be in the club

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of the IAB. And by the way, I I
have no problem with with with

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IAB or anything if in case there
was ever any, any confusion. I

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really don't know enough about
Alright, I understand the

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concept. Now I know a lot more.
Wow, this is great and that they

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everyone, you can have IAB
certified numbers and still have

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different numbers from podcast
host the podcast host. Well,

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this is all of the the the
whitelist, the black lists, the

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amazing what they have gone
through in a closed system.

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Really it's been that must have
been very painful to put that

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together and it shows and I
don't know about you, but I got

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the feeling that even though I
don't think that's it's

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certainly not my plan. But you
know John Spurlock's plan, I

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don't know, I don't know what
anyone's plan is. I don't really

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care. But it felt like oh, wait
a minute, because even Cridland

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said, Well, you know, if they
can get some IAB certification,

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I don't think it was set up with
with that in mind. This is just

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a data service that, you know,
you can muck around with. And if

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you want, I guess you can put
together stats package, you

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know, or something I did I
misinterpret what this thing is

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for. is a platform for
development, right? If someone

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wants to create a stat servers,
they can do some PRs and put

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together a stat service. Is that
my understanding? Is that

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correct?

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I think, you know, I don't know
what's in Spurlock's head. I

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know why I was excited about it.

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Will Tell me what you were
excited about. Were on the doll

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that excites you. you point that
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Right in the front.

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Row, right there.

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Right there. I don't like I
don't want the index, or

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podcasting 2.0 or anything like
that in the stats business.

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Oh, no more.

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I don't think anybody really
wants that. I mean, that's, it's

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just there's too much. It's too
icky. Nikki,

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I'm not. I'm also not really
interested in it.

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I don't care. I did homework, by
the way. I did. I did homework,

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and I calculated every PM.

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Well, thank you. I come up with
about 120. What did you come up

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with?

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I came up with, I can look him
up with ad on one. But I think

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and I'll tell you my methodology
in a minute. We can compare

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methodology? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes.
Yes. I'll show you mine. If you

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show me your round the front
baby. Read the front. The front.

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I trust. As I want to say this,
like, after listening to Todd. I

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mean, I definitely. You know, we
know these guys from the hosting

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companies and I trust

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under yours. Yeah. I trust

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their numbers. I don't like if
there's any. I would never say

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that. I don't trust the download
stats from you know, blueberry,

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or Buzzsprout. Or RSS.

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Let me put it this way. I have
no distrust of what they're

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doing. None. When it comes to
looking at my timeline of when

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people were listening and
streaming SATs on the Saturn

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stat board from Albea. I have
100% confidence in that. Yes,

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they will. Here's your
difference.

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I don't. So I don't think any of
those. I don't think that any of

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them are doing anything shady. I
know that I be he's like he's he

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mentioned he said, Well, you
know, Phil, like that in the

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2.0. realm. There is general
distrust of the I

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know, this. I think total, not
caring. What does that word?

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Not? lethargy.

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There you go. Thank you. apathy.
Sure.

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Yeah. So there's apathy. That
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distrust, really. But there is
something there. And the

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something I think is what Todd
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he you know, he recounted how he
was shocked. That pod track was

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able to get a B certification
because their numbers were so

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different from his own. And he
knows for a fact that his are

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solid.

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Yeah, I'm sure they are.

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That tells you that there's some
and I'm not saying that that

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doesn't anybody's doing anything
shady? Um, no, not at all

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guidelines. And the Denley are
so loose.

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Let's just put let's just let me
just put it out there. This is

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this is how it felt. Without
anyone saying it. This is just

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my interpretation. I am 58 have
been around for a bit. And Dave

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and I have no real dog in the
hunt, which is the beautiful

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part about this project doesn't
matter one way or the other. You

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know, we're not gonna even

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even know how many down I didn't
even know how many downloads we

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had until like, exactly. And

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I didn't have an idea until you
posted a screenshot I'm going

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off of a screenshot here but
that's But the point is when

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when this showed up, it's the
response sell to me a little bit

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like, hey, I really love these
podcasting 2.0. Guys, I really

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love value for value, but what
what you're doing what will will

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will will, will, will will what?
Who Oh, what are you doing over

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there was that's what what's
pumped the brakes, pump the

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brakes to porno boys. That's
what it felt like. So I want to

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remove that fear because we have
no interest in the business of

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stats or attribution or anything
about that for me truly. I mean,

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I can, I can see all kinds of
interesting reasons for it. But

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I just want to calculate a VPM.
That's, and it doesn't matter

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what the numbers are. They're
the number. That's, that's just

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my number. And if that means
there's bots in there, other

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than that's my number plus bots,
but it's still the number, I'm

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just going to use the same
number, the and in fact, to

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prove it that I don't care. And,
um, this is also an ask at the

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same time, because if this
screws up, it's a big pain in

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the ass. It hurts me in many
ways. I just like to put the

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next episode tomorrow as
Sunday's episode of no agenda, I

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want to put that into the OP
three and see what pops up. I'm

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interested. It may be it may be
40,000, it may be 400,000 may be

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4 million, I don't know, at the
same time that ever would

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divorce at first. I don't care,
we don't care, we don't care. It

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doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter. The only it doesn't

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matter. It's not going to change
our income. Right? That makes no

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difference, it would be nice to
know. And no matter what it is,

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if I don't like it, I can say
well, you know, it's not a IIB

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certified. So it's a piece of
Spurlock's little game over

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there. It's not for real man, we
can't trust that shit.

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You need to put it, you put
double Asterix on it. And then

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down at the bottom of the page.
The double asterisk says with

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bots.

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I'm very interested in just what
it is. I mean, it's the system

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solid enough? Because it would
be

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better be I mean, like I would I
would imagine. So. I would

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imagine if you throw a million,
you know, a million downloads on

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it, it would it should be able
to handle it because they

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handle, you know, 3000 times
that on a regular basis.

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But do you ever script where you
can go count it for me? Because

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I don't have any tools?

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Yeah, I got some stuff now where
I spent some estimate some time

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this week writing some code on
that. And that's how that's how

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I'm able to calculate our VP
that did to me that, like

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the fact that we could be a big
show that shows some, you know,

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open numbers, open numbers,
that's all it is just open

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numbers. It's like, it's funny,
you say that we'll just talk it

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over with the vorak. We give the
SEC, I'll just tell you the top

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24 donations from Thursday's
show, ranging from $1,000 to

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200. And to 200. We read these
people's notes, we gave the

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number, the amount. So anyone
can sit there and calculate what

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we're making it. I'm proud of
that. And I'm pretty sure that

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people who support the show,
we're also proud of it. So I'm

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very interested to see if my
theory and so we have different

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numbers, I'd like to know what
numbers you were working with my

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theory of the VPM that it holds
true that actually when you have

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the smallest audience, when you
wouldn't even qualify for

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dynamic ad insertion, you would
you would have a much higher VPM

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and you would also actually be
making money right away. So I

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came up with 120 because I think
I saw a 1475 number of

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downloads.

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So I recalculated this morning,

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okay, all right.

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I calculated do we want to run
down do a runner. I was running

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down

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let's go bring it down. Come on,
man. Break it down.

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This is by the way, this is all
very gross. And I don't like

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doing any of this any of this
stuff. This is

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beautiful. This is a cool
exercise. I don't

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ever want to do it again. So I
here's the numbers. I worked on

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downloads, were 1514 Okay, for
then and let me tell you where

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this number comes from. Well,
number one 1514 downloads per

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episode we are on monetizable
what's the I was

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quite monetizable.

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So the I only counted unique IP
hashes for a range or for rent

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as one download for for range
requests and get requests and

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exclude it. So if somebody did
In 27 range requests from the

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same IP hash. Kids just counted
it as one.

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Okay. All right. So already,
you're putting in rules.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is what this is the whole
point we can make our own rules.

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Or rules can be that we count
Bots as Yeah, exactly as extra

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as bonus material.

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I'm not, I don't have to
convince any advertiser with

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these things.

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So did the downloads. And then
I, and then I excluded any user

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agents that were, you know, not
a known app. So just known apps

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with single counts per IP hash,
which could be under counting or

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over counting, who knows? 1514
downloads.

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Okay, so you took your 4% from
that number

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of episode 102. Now, I went
further than this. I know I dug

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in deeper zaxy. So then, I went
flipped over to do the boosts

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side of things, or to the to the
SAT side boost. It figured out

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with six, four, and I only
counted episode 102 streams and

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boosts in SATs. So this does not
include streams and boosts that

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we got for the episode when it
was live. This is only meant to

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match the download numbers.
Check. Got it? Okay,

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this is good. Oh, you. Why was I
even wasting my time?

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That comes out to 629,798 sads.
From and that is from the that

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includes streams and booths, how
much they again, how much

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629,798? Okay, so then I looked
at how many individual donors

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that represents because this is
the all this is in the TLV

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record. individual donors unique
donor names 89. So we had 1514

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downloads 629,798 SATs and 89
individual boost string boost

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slash streamers. That if you
take that 1500 14 downloads as

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unique listens, which we know
it's there's a bits gonna be in

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the ballpark, then you're
talking about 89 listeners

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sending SATs back is 6%. So 66%
of the people who downloaded the

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episode. Ah.

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Okay, so that's higher than the
than the 4%. So already a win

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over the Fiat version.

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Yes, yes. Now, if this is my
understanding of your VPM

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calculation, so I went through
this, I say I took the 629,798

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SATs and divided it by 15 114,
which would have been the unique

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lessons. And that came out to
415.9 sets per download, which

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would be 400 415,982 sets per
1000 downloads in US dollars,

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and it comes out to $79 Z pm.

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I like it. I think that I think
you had the you had all the

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right data. I was doing it on
very, very broad numbers.

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Yeah, we, if we drop it to 4%,
if we say 4% VPN, with those

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same with that same rate, it
comes down to $53 VPN.

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Right. But we actually know the
percentage that's something

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right that's that's always just
kind of like a well, that was

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not from download data. See with
no with no agenda I have data on

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we have a rough number of ideas
of what we have a rough idea of

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how many downloads we get, which
should be interesting to see now

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versus the last time that we
accidentally found out. You

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found out you found out hey,
look at that. How did that work

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last time?

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Well, it was through the image
art because you put in your

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image artists, so it has to it
had to download that was back

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with Apple podcasts and had to
download before they centralized

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feed aggregation. So whenever
you would put a new image into

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when we put it behind Cloudflare
we put the images behind

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Cloudflare. And then so you
would get it would tell you how

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many requests for that image
were coming from Apple podcasts,

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individual apps. So then you
could take that and do the do

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the math there and get roughly,
you know, million listeners,

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which I think it was at the
time. I think it's higher than

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that now. But then, but then
they missed that up when they

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went to decentralize. So now
individual, the individual

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mobile devices are downloading.

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And then you were picking up the
stats, because at that point,

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somehow you had rigged it for
me. So it was going through

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Cloudflare.

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Well, it was an accident because
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exactly. That's the point I
wanted to get to. I was an

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accident. Because

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yeah, because we put your put
your show notes, aren't assets,

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pardon the audio clip assets
onto a Linode and put it behind

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Cloudflare to get the caching.
And then you up, you always

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uploaded the individual episode
art, to, to, you know, for each

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new show, you uploaded it to the
asset server, which happened to

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be behind Cloudflare. And then
we started seeing those stats

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backs again. And what

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was the number you saw?

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Oh, no agenda. Yeah.

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It was right. It was right
around a million for over a

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seven day period.

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For so for an episode or that
two episodes.

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That was for like, the most
recent couple of episodes. I

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think that's, that's total,
because there's always people

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that are behind and lagging
behind. Yeah, I think I think

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that's it's been, it's been like
a year and a half ago. So

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it's really interesting, because
we have Thursday numbers, and we

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have Sunday numbers. And you
know, that Sunday is always

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lower, which I think is logical,
because people don't typically

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donate twice a week to a podcast
many do, obviously. But also

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this rotates, you know, it's
like, people will not donate for

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two months, and then they come
back. And so it's the overall

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percentage, the number of people
who we know actually don't know

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what maybe we'll get somewhere
with this. I'm very excited to

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try this. I think it was just do
it.

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Did it do the mp3 dot dev on

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doing on Sunday's episode and
see what happens. Now, if people

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can't get it? Or if it gets
blocked or anything I'm gonna

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be, you know, I'm going to be
excreted.

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Maybe Spurlock can chime he
could verify, yeah, he

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could clarify if we're good to
go, then I'll just do it.

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Because that will be fun. And
you have no agenda. I think it's

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I'm proud to be a part of an
open and open project. Let's

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learn something.

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And that was my that was my
thing is that, you know,

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there's, there's clearly a,
because because Rob on that on

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new media show seemed very
befuddled by the fact that we're

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while we were even

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doing, and why are we even
talking about it was I think was

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a bigger thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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And, and I think, I think it's
because and we've talked about

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this before, bringing the open
source mindset into podcasting.

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There's friction, there. It's
not normal. People in podcasting

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are not used to, or not used to.
I don't want to I don't want to

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sound this. I don't want this to
sound too broad, because I don't

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mean it that way. But I'm really
talking a lot about money and

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statistics. People within the
podcast industrial complex, are

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not used to there being radical
transparency around money in

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statistics. Right? I don't ever,
you know, I don't think that's a

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natural thing that everybody has
become accustomed to, is there

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is friction here. But there's
clearly a is a set of people

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that jumped on this very
quickly, us, James at pod news,

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transistor, Justin, and John
over transistor, David Mitas.

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00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:50,490
And there's a lot of people who
are going to jump on this early

439
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,380
because it's fun.

440
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:55,530
As long as the transparency
Yeah, it's fun.

441
00:28:55,860 --> 00:29:00,720
The openness is, is a sort of
exhilarating thing like, like, I

442
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480
mean, we talked about last week,
I will end up putting this I'm

443
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,210
going to consider that I don't
have to do math anymore. I'm

444
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:10,260
going to end up putting that
code together. And just I'll

445
00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:12,990
just push, I'll just make it
public. I mean, Nord VPN will be

446
00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:16,650
like, yeah, constantly updated.
Yeah, of course. It's like, I

447
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:19,350
don't care people. I mean,
people can listen to the show

448
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:22,110
and hear how much money we get
to the show. Yeah, why the hell

449
00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:24,210
did I care whether it's on a
website or not? I mean, like,

450
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,420
but I don't think people are
used to that in it. No,

451
00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:31,650
no, of course it does. But I
remember in the 15th and we're

452
00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:35,790
coming up October 26 15 years no
agenda almost coincides with

453
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:40,470
episode 1500. But I remember
early on, you know, when people

454
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:43,830
like these guys, they're just a
scam. It's a cult and making you

455
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:47,010
send your money. Like we're
really powerful with MK Ultra

456
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:52,920
over here. You're and they were
I think it was like no agenda.

457
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,390
numbers.com Let me see if it
still exists. No agenda

458
00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,690
numbers.com This guy was so
pissed. Look and how much money

459
00:30:00,690 --> 00:30:04,710
they're making. And no one
cared. They were like, whatever.

460
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:08,310
It because it's a good show
that's like, yeah, I don't know

461
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,070
if there's something's really
this way we made this point with

462
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,670
causality when John when John
cIgi was on the show, if it's a

463
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:17,250
really good show, I'm really
happy to hear that they're

464
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,590
making a lot of money because it
means they won't go away.

465
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,320
Exactly.

466
00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:26,880
Because the last thing you want,
if you're really love a show, is

467
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,380
for them to be struggling. Like,
I don't want that. And

468
00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:36,840
it's, I've been doing your
Tina's has been very helpful for

469
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,420
me this is, you know, she worked
in nonprofits. So she

470
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,220
understands a lot about gifting,
donating and subsequently value

471
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:46,950
for value time, talent, treasure
I got from her. I totally stole

472
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:47,250
that.

473
00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,260
Also, it's biblical. Yeah. So
it's

474
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,700
very pastor, Pastor.

475
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:57,750
Yes, it was, it was funny,
because I was talking to Texas

476
00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,920
slim. Yeah, he's, you know, I
gave you his profile to me, you

477
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,850
don't have your ask down yet.
And it's very difficult for him.

478
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:09,840
Because this is not how he was a
lot of people, right. And so I

479
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840
helped him with an analogy of a
barn raising, and that works for

480
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,860
him. But also I said, Man,
you've seen so many pastors, you

481
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:20,130
know how the pastor seamlessly
transitions into the, hey, it's

482
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:26,340
time to pony up. You'll get that
way. But look at him. And it's

483
00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:29,220
not about why you have to give,
just look at the ease at which

484
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:32,610
the pastor transitions because
the pastor is open and honest,

485
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:36,150
and is saying, we need this
help. You're not saying God is

486
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,630
mad, but if you don't pay him,
he's, you know, he's, this is

487
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:41,580
for the church you're giving
does this and you know, of

488
00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:43,980
course, churches typically do a
lot of good things with with the

489
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:47,340
money. But it's it just look at
that. And that was very, very

490
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:52,770
helpful to him. But I guess the
whole point of value for value

491
00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:58,140
is so opposite. I mean, even,
it's funny, I look at it, and I

492
00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:00,000
love where they're doing it
fountain that and I think it's

493
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,720
really creative. But when I see
a list of who's making the most

494
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:09,960
Satoshis, it's like, that's,
it's not so interesting. And I

495
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,570
know it inspires a lot of
people, but personally, I'm

496
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:16,560
like, that doesn't really
matter. You know, the list is,

497
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
you know, okay, whatever. It's a
list. It's a list here, that

498
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,420
could be another list over
there, and everyone can have a

499
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:25,860
list. People are so inspired by
lists. But in reality, that's

500
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:31,140
not what makes doesn't make
anything flow. You know, our

501
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,900
our, our board meeting, our
weekly board meeting, we talk

502
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:38,460
about the project. It's making
it flow, and we're surviving. I

503
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,940
mean, so what do we do a month
we do about 1800 a month total

504
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:46,770
with our with our very generous
$500 A month Fiat donors.

505
00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,860
Yeah, if you add it all up
together, it's just sounds about

506
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:53,460
right at 1800 2000 was somewhere
along those lines? It

507
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:54,120
fluctuates.

508
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,870
Yeah, sometimes it's lower.
Sometimes it's 16 1614. Or 14 To

509
00:32:57,870 --> 00:33:03,000
me, just depends on what's going
on. But like those. Those

510
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,720
baseline PayPal donations, you
know, pay all the bills and then

511
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:12,540
the SATs are what fluctuates?
Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Go ahead.

512
00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:16,590
No, absolutely. Bottom line is
we get exactly what we deserve.

513
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,730
This is what you get exactly
what you deserve, what what we

514
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:24,330
put into it, we get out of it,
what you put into it, or

515
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,090
conversely, what you get out of
it, you want to put back into

516
00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:31,110
it. It just it works. Anyway. So
I was gonna say, we've been

517
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:35,040
discussing all these different
reasons why people donate. And

518
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,920
we've been asking people, I've
been talking to people, and I'd

519
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,050
love to know why people support
podcasting. 2.0 Because there's

520
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,810
eight basic kind of, you know,
you have to go into philosophy

521
00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:49,200
for this. This is, you know,
bunches, why is someone give

522
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080
them besides, first of all
podcasting 2.0 value for value,

523
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,320
we've removed almost all
friction, which is the beauty.

524
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:58,320
The beautiful thing is it's like
you want to you want to support

525
00:33:58,350 --> 00:34:01,380
boom, you're good to go right
there. No, literally a button is

526
00:34:01,380 --> 00:34:03,930
a button right there. I mean,
that's, that's magic for it for

527
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:07,860
any anyone trying to raise money
for anything or, or or exchange

528
00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:14,190
value. People do it for social
reasons. Now, this is your

529
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:17,580
feedback loop. So that makes a
lot of sense. People do it.

530
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,960
There's really a top three, the
one that I liked the least which

531
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,770
is the most effective is what I
just call the sad puppy roll. I

532
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:30,960
mean, it is true. If if no one
supports us, then the index goes

533
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,400
away. I mean, it's that simple,
and boohoo won't that suck. So

534
00:34:35,730 --> 00:34:42,870
that is the most effective from
all types of nonprofits is you

535
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:45,810
know, it's like hey, if you
don't give money, these kids and

536
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:48,090
their families won't have a
place to stay could be you one

537
00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:49,260
day and that's kind of

538
00:34:50,309 --> 00:34:54,839
the the American who was at the
kennel club or whatever the AKC

539
00:34:54,839 --> 00:34:58,109
the what's the one with the pets
where it shows all the horrible

540
00:34:58,109 --> 00:34:59,429
dogs being mistreated.

541
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,260
St. Peter, whatever. Yeah,
whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So there's

542
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,440
that. But there's also well,
that kind of flows into over to

543
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,550
the other one, which is it
resonates. So something about

544
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:14,820
the Ask something resonates with
people, and they're motivated

545
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,710
for their own reasons, which
could be, oh, man, you know, I

546
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,110
wish when I was a kid, there was
a resource where I could mess

547
00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:25,920
around and develop an app. And
you know, it could be any any

548
00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:30,120
personal story. So these are the
main the main reasons.

549
00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:32,910
Well, cotton, Jen said it
reminds me It reminds me of the

550
00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:34,620
90s internet. That's why I love
it.

551
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,130
Well, do you remember this
openness? Do you remember

552
00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:41,100
shareware? I mean, the idea was
right, but we didn't have the

553
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:46,440
mechanisms in place. shareware
involved you writing a check,

554
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,410
putting it in an envelope and
sending it to somebody, you

555
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:54,450
know, five bucks to say, thanks.
I use your software, then. And a

556
00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:56,910
lot of a lot of people did very
well with shareware.

557
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,550
And now you talk about friction.
Now that's some friction that's

558
00:35:59,550 --> 00:36:04,410
bigger than the you know, you
gotta go get a stamp. Again,

559
00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:07,050
envelope you gotta read check. I
mean, this. That's, that's

560
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:10,410
that's the biggest friction. I
mean, I think that the

561
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,000
rethinking of paradigms, just
talking about OPC.

562
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:19,830
Any sentence that starts with a
rethinking of paradigms is just

563
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:20,610
dynamite.

564
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:28,260
It's always valuable. We I mean,
we may find, we may find it. I

565
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:32,670
don't know, we may find this six
months from now, that op three

566
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,900
wasn't, didn't produce a lot of
value. You know, maybe it wasn't

567
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,970
that big of a deal. I tend to
think that that's not going to

568
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,940
be the case. But you know, we
always think that about the

569
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:51,030
stuff that we that we're
involved in excited about. But

570
00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:53,640
you know, we may think this is
not may ultimately may prove to

571
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,460
not be that that big of a deal.
But that's what the mad

572
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,850
scientist laboratory of
podcasting. 2.0 is about? Yes,

573
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,290
exactly. Without trying to
figure out crazy stuff, paradigm

574
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:08,400
breaking things that challenge,
the challenge, what's already

575
00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:13,050
been being done, and seeing if
it has any value? And if it

576
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:16,230
does, it'll bubble up. Yeah. And
the cream rises to the top. If

577
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:20,460
it doesn't, it'll go, you know,
it'll, it'll fall away. And, you

578
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:21,240
know, it may

579
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:27,510
like cross app comments. Stop, I
have a thought I never thought

580
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:30,660
about that. I don't want to
interrupt your flow, just

581
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:37,050
so that, you know, it's the
visibility. And to me, the power

582
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:39,960
of the the thing that got me
excited, the most about op

583
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,240
three, is the visibility outside
of the bubble. Is Yeah, is

584
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:51,420
having the numbers show up
outside of, you know, your

585
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:56,640
hosting dashboard, or whatever.
Because then you can do things

586
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:03,510
like, as well, let me back up
for a second. We know, or at

587
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:06,570
least I hope we know. And I'm
the I'm using the weed to

588
00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:13,290
include everybody. I hope we all
know that. On a long enough time

589
00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:18,900
scale IP, IP addresses, as a
source of information of

590
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,540
reliable information about
things that are going on is

591
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:22,920
probably going to go away.

592
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,270
Yeah, I would say so.

593
00:38:25,619 --> 00:38:28,619
I mean, we've already you know,
we've begun to see the very the

594
00:38:28,619 --> 00:38:33,809
the the infancy of this with
Apple private relay, and that

595
00:38:33,809 --> 00:38:40,109
kind of thing. Tail scale. Yeah,
exit nodes. Tore, every, there

596
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:46,829
is a lot, there's a ton of, of
mental pressure being applied

597
00:38:47,249 --> 00:38:53,219
across the open source world and
not in and the proprietary world

598
00:38:53,219 --> 00:38:57,059
as well, with privacy, caring
people. There's a lot of mental

599
00:38:57,059 --> 00:39:02,519
pressure being applied to how to
get rid of IP addresses as a

600
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,229
source of yucky information
about people. And that's going

601
00:39:07,229 --> 00:39:14,039
to happen. So to me, the what I
care mostly about op three is

602
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:18,779
not just a retread of what has
already been done. Even though I

603
00:39:18,779 --> 00:39:21,299
think it's valuable to have
numbers in the open. I mean,

604
00:39:21,299 --> 00:39:26,759
that's what we're about. But
combining it with the ULI D, to

605
00:39:26,759 --> 00:39:32,639
me, that is the ultimate goal.
That that is the that is the

606
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,379
ultimate goal. Ul ID again, is
that's how that's where you

607
00:39:37,799 --> 00:39:42,029
create a random number. Your app
creates a random number applies

608
00:39:42,029 --> 00:39:45,479
it to this episode. And anytime
you listen to that episode,

609
00:39:45,479 --> 00:39:45,809
right,

610
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,900
then it attaches. Yeah. Right.
So then we know that that's you

611
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:49,650
picking it up.

612
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:53,070
Yeah, we you know that every
unique UL ID is a unique list.

613
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:53,580
Right.

614
00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:58,560
So So what this does, is it
inspires app developers to add

615
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,980
stuff like that add to the
ecosystem so we have more fun.

616
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,730
Yeah, right. Yes. This is the
sandbox.

617
00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:11,670
Yeah. Can you is? Is this is OP
three, does it? Is there a

618
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:21,480
benefit with IPFS? I don't know.
When not interesting because one

619
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,650
of the main problems that
Cameron has told me about IPFS

620
00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:31,470
podcasting is if you go full
IPFS protocol, IP address colon,

621
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:36,690
slash slash instead of an exit
node of the you lose all kind of

622
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,770
trackability. Yeah, which makes
sense, which makes sense. So you

623
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:43,650
can't you can't do stats right
now. He has download stats,

624
00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:47,640
which he gets from the network
somehow. But if if you could use

625
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,100
this with IPFS with the
protocol,

626
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,540
that's an interesting thing,
because if you like my firt,

627
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:58,410
your first your first instinct
would be to say, Okay, we'll put

628
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,880
it through a redirect. Yeah. OPI
three redirect and then somehow

629
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,860
bounce it to IPFS born I'm
handed

630
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:06,210
IPFS redirect.

631
00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:09,090
Who and IPFS redirector. Yeah,

632
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:15,960
that's what I'm talking about.
Same idea for IPFS Oh, man, I

633
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,850
love it when your brain starts
cranking.

634
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,490
The you know, the other thing I
noticed was about the CPM VPN

635
00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:31,620
thing is if you look at so I
pulled up advertised casts page

636
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:36,390
about and they give the latest
CPM rates. And their little

637
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:43,680
chart here. Little chart shows
one, it's got three, three rows,

638
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:50,160
and it says this verse 62nd, ad
CPN. Between 1009 between

639
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:58,500
1009 1999 listeners is $26 CPM.
Hmm. Interest between

640
00:41:58,530 --> 00:42:08,220
10,090 9999 is 24 CPM. Oh, yeah.
And 100,000 plus is $20. CPM.

641
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:10,080
What is this? fuckery.

642
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:14,430
So your CPM goes down, the more
the more successful you are,

643
00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:16,800
what is this one? The more
downloads you have? Does that

644
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,050
make sense? I don't know.
Generally, but be just one CPM.

645
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:22,950
You

646
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:27,180
know what the debt you know what
the doesn't go down? VPN.

647
00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:32,490
No VPN does go down, the larger
it has to go down, the larger

648
00:42:32,490 --> 00:42:33,420
your show is

649
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:39,360
4% is 4% 4% of a million is four
is

650
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:42,270
right. You know, you know what
we're gonna find out. So,

651
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:45,630
alright. Okay, so I love this.
So no agenda when I say it's

652
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:51,510
like 30.1 or something? 30.5.
But I don't but that's my old

653
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:56,310
calculation. So I'll be very
very curious to see. Now Now we

654
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:59,100
can't do it one for one
actually, because we don't have

655
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:03,360
any any Bookstagram data. We
only have Pay Pal data. But you

656
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,580
know what? Let's just do it.
Let's just see what happens with

657
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:08,640
an episode of the numbers itself
and we'll check it out.

658
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,639
I will provide I will provide
the numbers to the to the

659
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,389
shield. On op three. No, no, no,
don't

660
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:23,040
give any dough. No, no. No, no,
no, don't don't involve anybody.

661
00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:26,040
Okay, this is supposed to be on
the Qt

662
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:29,910
bro. Okay, I will not provide
the numbers to anybody.

663
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,280
No to me. Just tell me what
numbers you see.

664
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:36,810
I will I will get I will. I will
send I will send one episode

665
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:38,970
and one episode only. I don't
want to get burned. I don't want

666
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:41,670
to get caught everybody
listening. Don't be a narc.

667
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:42,870
Don't be a narc.

668
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,510
I will send you a paper
airplane. With the numbers

669
00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:50,160
tucked discreetly. Yes.
Interesting.

670
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:52,920
Wow, man. The chat room was a
punk. I'm a punk rocker here

671
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,490
this is come on man. 2.0 was
punk rock GABA GABA. Hey, okay.

672
00:43:56,970 --> 00:44:01,350
Let's do it. So cross cross
cross app comments I have on my

673
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:04,410
list, because you're absolutely
right is one of those things.

674
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:08,850
It's just not. It's not working.
It's not we don't have the spark

675
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:15,660
in and I'll be honest, that when
I look at comments that are

676
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:19,350
working, that could be cross app
today. I have to say the

677
00:44:19,350 --> 00:44:25,440
lightning comments work. Yeah, I
was not a fan of it. And I'm

678
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,350
still not a fan of it. But I
would rather have active people

679
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,410
using Lightning comments,
because what I see in Fountain

680
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:41,490
is impressive. Now it's it
screws up my my a helipad with

681
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:45,120
all kinds of little things. But
that's also kind of cool because

682
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:48,120
Oh, someone's commenting over
there. Then I'll pop over open

683
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,580
up the app. I'll go in I'll I'll
reply. Maybe I'll give someone a

684
00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,150
little boost there. It's a very
pleasurable way of interacting

685
00:44:57,150 --> 00:45:03,660
with the audience in a in an app
it would be nice if it could be

686
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:07,920
cross app and it seems like
that's the easy part. So I'm

687
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,410
just identifying something
that's working I'm not saying we

688
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,620
all have to do that I'm just
throwing it out there as I'm I

689
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:17,910
am willing if there's enough
steam to capitulate on this one

690
00:45:19,530 --> 00:45:22,680
I it's sad to me because we have
such great infrastructure but

691
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,170
why is no one picking it up?
What is happening?

692
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:29,669
I have thoughts okay. The I
think

693
00:45:29,669 --> 00:45:32,339
I'm not set in stone by the way
this is not I'm just throwing it

694
00:45:32,339 --> 00:45:33,239
out there as usual.

695
00:45:33,989 --> 00:45:36,929
I think the reason why fountain
come while the lightning

696
00:45:36,929 --> 00:45:41,819
comments are showing activity is
not because I think it's purely

697
00:45:41,819 --> 00:45:47,669
because fountain gives monetary
incentive for that to be the

698
00:45:47,669 --> 00:45:52,889
case. So they pay they pay you
for listening and comment and

699
00:45:52,889 --> 00:45:53,519
boosting

700
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,539
I'm not so sure when it comes to
the commenting but I have no

701
00:45:57,539 --> 00:45:58,079
data

702
00:45:59,969 --> 00:46:02,939
okay, that's that's my
understanding of it and then on

703
00:46:02,939 --> 00:46:07,319
the on the flip side my these
are my these my initial first

704
00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:08,909
thoughts I didn't know you're
going in this direction so I

705
00:46:08,909 --> 00:46:16,019
hadn't in my thought on the flip
side is the reason people are

706
00:46:16,019 --> 00:46:25,139
not commenting on on non
lightning is because nobody

707
00:46:25,139 --> 00:46:30,239
gives a crap about commenting
generally speaking. And that is

708
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:37,979
ended the comments that we see
about podcasts on thing things

709
00:46:37,979 --> 00:46:40,649
like Apple podcast reviews, if
you want to call those a comment

710
00:46:40,649 --> 00:46:43,739
for the purpose of this
discussion discussion are mostly

711
00:46:43,739 --> 00:46:49,049
because people beg them to do it
in the show. Hey, Gil gives it

712
00:46:49,289 --> 00:46:51,389
gives a review. It helps

713
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:55,350
in I'm with you on that but I
guess my point is, we have

714
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:59,250
people commenting on these
comment threads that we put as

715
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:03,450
our because our base post in
podcasting 2.0 I do it I know

716
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:07,320
agenda. There's lots of comments
in there. They don't serve us on

717
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,250
any app. People are just on the
mastodon commenting back and

718
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:15,000
forth. No one's even sucking
that in and displaying it via

719
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,210
pod

720
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:21,480
versus. And pod friend. Those
are the two apps currently pod

721
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,950
verse pod verse shows the cross
app comments every show, you can

722
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:29,670
go and expand them on the on on
the website and and in the app

723
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:29,910
to.

724
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,860
Okay, because I've really gotten
into the pod verse app, so I'm

725
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:37,200
surprised that I that I didn't
see that.

726
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:40,409
It's, I don't remember where it
is

727
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:44,070
on it right here. I'm gonna see.
Okay, so you don't ever get to

728
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,980
swiped or you got to swallow
swipe.

729
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:51,240
Maybe you can swipe left or
something.

730
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:52,470
That's if I don't like it.

731
00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,900
Stop, stop. Okay. Chapter
chapters, clips, comments. I

732
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:07,680
know where it is. I apologize. I
apologize. Okay. Yeah. So that

733
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,520
so the obvious, yeah. Okay. So
this is great. I like how it's

734
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,160
done. And like how it's
implemented. I can't add to the

735
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,320
thread. So all it would take
would be reply. Post, you know,

736
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,030
so it hasn't been? I mean, it
leaves the pod verse app if you

737
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,210
tap on it. So that's something
it takes it to the to the to the

738
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:31,470
core post. That's totally
appreciated. We're so close yet.

739
00:48:31,470 --> 00:48:32,160
We're not there.

740
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:34,679
Yeah, because it's hard.

741
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:38,430
I know. It's hard. I'm just just
saying, okay, hold on. I'm in

742
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:44,400
prime and I'm impressed with POD
verse overall. And I want to say

743
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,730
that I think it was a
misunderstanding. It's a

744
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,960
technology early technology
choice player issue is why pod

745
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,760
versus not doing per minute
streaming SATs yet. James had

746
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,180
some questions about that. And I
think that's in the works. It's

747
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:03,390
not it's not because Mitch has
decided that's just a sheet

748
00:49:03,390 --> 00:49:03,960
idea.

749
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,610
No, he's not he has not made
that.

750
00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:12,630
Oh, and I do have to give James
props because he said something

751
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:14,970
very appropriate, which we do
need to talk about briefly

752
00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:19,020
because we're gonna talk about
music as well. Okay. I agree

753
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:23,940
completely on legality. So if
RSS blue or anyone else is

754
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:30,030
offering music uploads to be
flagged as music in the podcast

755
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:35,040
index, and we hope you have an
update on that. I agree that's a

756
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,050
very very dangerous thing to do
see Spotify, who have just

757
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,710
opened up you know pirating of
movies to their to their video

758
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:46,290
service. I mean, it's who would
have thought that would happen.

759
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,730
And the better idea is, you
know, SoundCloud, they already

760
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,580
their members are already
screened and cleared and

761
00:49:56,580 --> 00:50:00,660
there's, we know who has rights
and registrations any existing

762
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:05,370
music service that knows how to
do that is a better bet than,

763
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,270
you know, stepping into it. Just
like, Oh, this is cool and doing

764
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:12,060
it because you're gonna get
burned, you're probably gonna

765
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:15,360
get burned. It's just gonna suck
for you. It's gonna be a lot of

766
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,060
work. Unless that's your
business plan and then you know,

767
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:22,230
we will support you 100% But
it's very is very, very

768
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:25,470
dangerous venture to do that.

769
00:50:26,099 --> 00:50:28,889
I'll get questions about this.
This is good, good discussion,

770
00:50:28,889 --> 00:50:34,589
because where I'm at right now
is I've got the downloader

771
00:50:34,589 --> 00:50:40,469
working, that is downloading,
it's slurping down. enclosures.

772
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,890
Yes. What's it called again?
slurpy slurpy, right. Yes, I

773
00:50:43,890 --> 00:50:45,000
love your names.

774
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:51,810
It is it is slurping down
enclosures. It's apt to produce

775
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:56,640
like, get about 100 It's done
like 180,000 so far. enclosures.

776
00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:01,650
It's about a day and a half I
mean a terabyte and a half of

777
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:02,520
them all down

778
00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:04,470
it's actually downloading them
all locally.

779
00:51:04,619 --> 00:51:08,159
Yeah, yes. That's right. It's so
it's going through the with the

780
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:13,679
latest weekly data, massive dump
and downloading the last

781
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:16,079
enclosure of each podcast

782
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:20,190
Are you downloading the entire
podcast universe? I don't

783
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:22,770
understand I just saying
download everything.

784
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,260
Not entirely about half of the
entire podcast universe. So

785
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,410
anchor is excluded because they
don't allow music by policy.

786
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,520
Right? They only allow Top Gun
and other brand new movies,

787
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:39,510
movies. Yeah, but don't pirate
music.

788
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:46,110
Yeah. So they don't allow music.
So we exclude them that takes

789
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:50,040
you know, half the index away
almost on automatically. Not

790
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,080
half but about a third. The take
away Librivox just it's and

791
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,420
other ones that are just like
clearly they're not going to

792
00:51:57,420 --> 00:52:01,110
have any music at all. So you
take that all that away then you

793
00:52:01,110 --> 00:52:07,620
also filter out anything that is
just an arbitrary limit of two

794
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,650
hours or less is still I still
alive I'm

795
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,370
kidding. You do that with a head
with a head or get request or

796
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:16,860
something ahead request just to
see the file length

797
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,010
now just looking at the duration
because the duration duration of

798
00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:23,130
course is in there you already
have the duration to the

799
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:24,420
download to the massive dump

800
00:52:24,449 --> 00:52:27,599
we aren't we already have that
we already have the don't we

801
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,639
have duration data already for
everything?

802
00:52:30,210 --> 00:52:34,830
Yeah. Yep some of the older some
of the really really early stuff

803
00:52:35,070 --> 00:52:37,800
in duration is messed up it
dumps

804
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:42,000
they call them dumps big massive
dumps said so many times I had

805
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:42,060
to

806
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,789
Yeah, so as I was triggering you
know

807
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:46,890
I was late actually

808
00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:52,500
yes you were late so the the
filtering out some of that stuff

809
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,170
and I don't remember how many it
came back with but it's

810
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:59,520
downloading a mall is one at a
time. Excuse me known to 2023 at

811
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,060
a time that's concurrent that's
what Slurpees forest down

812
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:06,360
leaving give it a number of
things to download how many you

813
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,540
want

814
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:11,760
we upgraded an extra $80 a month
for for the head done that yet.

815
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:14,100
Oh, that's for actual business.

816
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:18,119
That's a real business or real
podcast. This is just on my

817
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,179
local computers. Jim, aka Peter
on doing this. This is not even

818
00:53:21,179 --> 00:53:23,459
this is not on us. Oh good doing
this from my house. How

819
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:24,750
big is your hard drive?

820
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:28,410
I've got it hooked up to a four
terabyte drive. Okay, an

821
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:34,200
external drive. Nice, sweet. So
then we scuzzy drive is not a

822
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,990
scuzzy drive with frozen garden
hose is not that I

823
00:53:36,989 --> 00:53:40,649
love that shit. Connect those
were the clips.

824
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:46,050
With you remember? LVM it was
the real thing when the No, it

825
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:50,580
was like scuzzy three I think I
remember Apple talk. With

826
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:51,990
terminators, you have to use
terminators,

827
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:53,640
no Terminator. No, no joy.

828
00:53:54,030 --> 00:54:00,930
Yeah, the whole network goes
down wouldn't work. So the it's

829
00:54:00,930 --> 00:54:04,260
downloaded a bunch of stuff.
It's downloaded. It's, it's

830
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:08,430
downloaded a ton. And then
there's this Python script that

831
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:13,050
Alex has helped me tweak around
on that will that actually does

832
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:17,850
the analysis that looks and tell
and looks at whether or not this

833
00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:24,150
is speech or music. Now, it's,
it's not. It's not 100%? It's

834
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:30,030
not even close. But in and I'll
tell you that the times that it

835
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:33,120
gets confused as when there's
somebody with a bed of music

836
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:33,780
behind them,

837
00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:37,440
right, that's where it falls
apart. Sure. And

838
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,680
there's actually a lot of those
where it'll be 45 minute episode

839
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,080
of somebody talking and there's
a bed behind him the entire

840
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,140
time and PR. Yeah,

841
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,660
there's some of that. There's
also, if the audio is crappy

842
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:55,950
enough. I think it gives us
enough background

843
00:54:56,219 --> 00:54:57,929
to make it sound like it's a
song

844
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,150
to make the waveform look like
is music? Yeah, yeah. Wow. It's

845
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:05,940
like I think it's just the
background noise makes it look

846
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:07,590
like it's continuous ways.

847
00:55:07,949 --> 00:55:12,299
No, this is what you need to
remember Paul, you toy used to

848
00:55:12,299 --> 00:55:16,679
tell us how sphinx was being
used in the Philippines, they

849
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:22,019
will be used to train AI and
machine learning. So that show,

850
00:55:22,049 --> 00:55:24,839
you know, you'd get your show
picture and say, Is there a dog

851
00:55:24,839 --> 00:55:28,289
in this picture? Yes or no boom,
you answer and then you get 10

852
00:55:28,289 --> 00:55:32,069
sets. Next picture. So when you
don't want to do that, yeah, we

853
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:35,279
have a version for that for
this, like, Is this a real song?

854
00:55:35,969 --> 00:55:36,749
Yes, no,

855
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:43,320
I want to do that, like, so what
is doing is the python script is

856
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,380
running the analysis, using the
GPU or the video card, running

857
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:55,110
the analysis. And then if it
thinks that is, if it thinks is

858
00:55:55,110 --> 00:55:59,700
there, there's an 80% or higher
likelihood that it's music. It

859
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:03,630
we'll just create an empty file
with the name of the podcast

860
00:56:03,630 --> 00:56:06,420
index ID in a directory.

861
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:09,750
Okay, so then hold music, right?
So then you can go in and

862
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:10,920
retrieve that,

863
00:56:11,369 --> 00:56:14,129
right? So when it's all said and
done, we should have a big long

864
00:56:14,129 --> 00:56:22,739
list of, of all of the episodes
of all of the podcast IDs that

865
00:56:22,739 --> 00:56:27,809
it thinks are music, podcasts,
then we can wrap that up into

866
00:56:28,769 --> 00:56:33,959
some sort of, you know, script
or something. And then we can

867
00:56:33,959 --> 00:56:38,099
crowdsource it, to say to have
people actually listen to it,

868
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,809
and say if it is indeed music,
or just a false alarm. So the

869
00:56:42,839 --> 00:56:51,329
out of 46,997 podcast that it
has analyzed for. It thinks 804

870
00:56:51,329 --> 00:56:52,889
of those are music podcasts.

871
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:54,779
So that's about 6%.

872
00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:57,330
Is it? Is that what that is? No,
I

873
00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:01,800
have no idea. I'm just throwing
that out there as you like to

874
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,730
sound convincing.

875
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:04,650
You did math.

876
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,760
I'm just throwing a number out.
See if you had done the math.

877
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,300
No. Like holy crap. Let's see.
Four divided by can't even

878
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:19,860
give you the stats, the dollar
amount. I can think in dollars

879
00:57:19,890 --> 00:57:20,850
most of the time.

880
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,979
Looks like this. Alright. 2%
That's, that's pretty Yeah.

881
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:27,599
Okay, well 1.7% All

882
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,000
right. So what's the next step
in the procedure once once

883
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,290
you've once Slurpee has done its
job then what?

884
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:43,110
Well here here's an example and
here's an example track so if

885
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:49,470
you go to podcast index ID you
know 44955 And there's a little

886
00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:52,620
bit I put a in the clips today
if you got my clips I forgot.

887
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:55,650
Oh, yes. Thank you got an
example tracking Oh, here we go.

888
00:57:58,889 --> 00:58:06,509
Wow. Yeah. Sounds good. You know
what that sounds like? Wow. Oh,

889
00:58:06,509 --> 00:58:10,889
my wife. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, no,
I gotta do it.

890
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,560
You love the wife I've had loved
the

891
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,990
Hawaii Five o thing where's my
Hawaii Five

892
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:18,690
Oh, you don't have it on a pad
on the road test.

893
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:20,550
I'm bad I'm not that bad here

894
00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:42,390
Okay, so that's that's a jam
right there.

895
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:46,950
It is a found that on that is
from that is on PodOmatic

896
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:50,430
hosting company and it is from
2013. So it's been there for

897
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:51,720
nine years and this is

898
00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:56,580
why we should have done that
properly. Yeah, that's the

899
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:58,440
crusher from Briana Roy.

900
00:59:02,790 --> 00:59:06,540
53 second track. And there's
three tracks on this podcast and

901
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:10,710
they're all of this. They're all
like this. It's an EP. It is

902
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:11,550
it's an EP No,

903
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,020
no dynamite good find flip the
bit make it music.

904
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:23,400
Brianna. We need to find Brianna
give her a split. Yes. For him.

905
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:28,830
So I don't know where he got
him. them they didn't they so so

906
00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:33,480
here's the here's the kosher
part. Like if they here's this

907
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,270
thing that's been out in the in
the universe for nine years

908
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:37,500
publicly on the internet.

909
00:59:38,699 --> 00:59:40,349
Yeah. How about

910
00:59:41,219 --> 00:59:45,869
Yeah, right. There's, it seems
to be just some original dubstep

911
00:59:45,869 --> 00:59:46,349
something.

912
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:47,400
It's a jam. I'm like,

913
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:52,560
well, there's no iTunes owner
tag. I have no idea how to get

914
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,750
in touch with Brianna. Rihanna,
Roy. Have you know podcast rise

915
00:59:57,750 --> 01:00:01,170
and who have not Google for
Brianna.

916
01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:05,700
Is there no link in the in the
RSS feed? It just

917
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:09,330
links back to the PodOmatic page
and doesn't link to a personal

918
01:00:09,330 --> 01:00:15,450
side of anything. There's no
podcast license tag

919
01:00:15,449 --> 01:00:19,559
or Rihanna ROI YouTube. Oh,
there you go. Let's see brand.

920
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:22,649
Let's see. Do you think that
can't be the same? Brianna Roy,

921
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:25,140
you take LinkedIn

922
01:00:26,849 --> 01:00:30,419
that's DeVore X jam and that's
not me. Let's see. This. I don't

923
01:00:30,419 --> 01:00:32,129
think this is the same Brianna
Roy.

924
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,369
Does she do dubstep on Twitch?

925
01:00:37,770 --> 01:00:43,620
Go good. I am that. That may be
no I don't think so. Now.

926
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:45,600
Dubstep. Is

927
01:00:45,630 --> 01:00:47,340
there any lyrics with that
thing?

928
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:48,780
No. Okay, well,

929
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:49,920
she she's a singer.

930
01:00:50,610 --> 01:00:55,080
Oh, boy. Don't maybe she
upgraded. Doubt it.

931
01:00:57,060 --> 01:01:01,050
So, so what will so here's the
question Where what are we left

932
01:01:01,050 --> 01:01:09,990
with with Brianna's tracks? Are
they? If there's like what what

933
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:13,590
legal status? If we want to if
we want to take this and drop it

934
01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:19,020
in as in the show mix? What are
what is that going to do? Like

935
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:20,190
what how does that work?

936
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:24,930
Right now we have no idea. We
really couldn't do it because we

937
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:27,810
legally you can't do it because
we have no idea who owns the

938
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:31,530
royalties rights, etc. If, if
she would claim this and say

939
01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:34,770
yep, this is mine. This is my
feed. And I warrant that this is

940
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:39,780
my stuff. And here's my split. I
would say at the one hour and

941
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:43,800
two or one hour and one minute
mark, there would be a split

942
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,700
there which would send off a
significant portion of the show

943
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:52,830
to Briana Roy's wallet. That's
what I'm that's what I envision.

944
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:56,430
Yeah, like split in the chapter
maybe?

945
01:01:56,639 --> 01:01:59,159
Yeah, I mean, we haven't quite
figured it out. But that's the

946
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:03,179
dream. Right now. We we need to
find Brianna Roy. That's the

947
01:02:03,179 --> 01:02:05,639
title right there. Show. Find.

948
01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:07,020
Brianna. I'm

949
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:11,250
Brianna Roy. I'm making I'm
doing it. That's hilarious. How

950
01:02:11,250 --> 01:02:16,470
about or where is Brianna? Roy?
Brianna? Okay, where's Brianna?

951
01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:19,320
That's better. Good. I love a
great title.

952
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:23,700
Yeah, so like I bet you there's
tons of these.

953
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:27,119
Yeah. So I don't I don't know
what to do about that. I don't

954
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:31,649
know what to do about it. Other
than make it available as a

955
01:02:31,649 --> 01:02:37,289
music track in in apps that
wants to show that in? No case

956
01:02:37,289 --> 01:02:43,649
the roster I guess. At least we
have a nice base to start with.

957
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,090
There's also one is this one
this is a wrote down

958
01:02:48,090 --> 01:02:50,490
469-914-6991

959
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,450
And it's brianna is Brian A it's
br A and A maybe it's Brian

960
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,490
Brian A Roy who knows.

961
01:02:57,510 --> 01:03:02,310
This is another one there's a
podcast. index.org/podcasts like

962
01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:08,190
46991 Do I feel like this is an
unless you want to that's

963
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:13,020
another just as another example
of a music feed that that this

964
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:16,530
thing found. And that is from

965
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:19,500
what what was it? I'm sorry,
what was the number again?

966
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:23,940
The podcast ID is 46991469 or

967
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:28,350
nine or one? LB keeps pop? I
find myself having to log into

968
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:29,400
lb a lot.

969
01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:31,020
Me too. Using a little

970
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:45,840
annoying a little a little much
dude, I'm liking it. What is

971
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:59,430
this? Testing 2.0 2.0 Dynamite

972
01:03:59,940 --> 01:04:00,840
because of that stuff,

973
01:04:00,870 --> 01:04:03,810
so that yeah, lots of DJ mixes
and stuff. Sure. You know, I

974
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:11,730
just had a meeting today with
the owner of 100% retro and 100%

975
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:15,270
Retro is a streaming radio
station from the Netherlands.

976
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:21,690
Belgium to be exact. And I'll
play it for you. So they're 24/7

977
01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:26,040
they have this guy's pretty he's
hired Kim Wilde and all kinds of

978
01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:29,670
legacy people to talk and it's
basically let me say and they

979
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:36,630
have a whole that's what I was
put you know, there's it's it's

980
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:46,950
retro it's a Dutch station.
That's all English was. Its

981
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:51,270
international languages as the
clock moves around the globe.

982
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,140
They get clever. Yeah. And so
he's like, I want you I want to

983
01:04:55,140 --> 01:04:58,590
be on the live stream today.
Okay, send me some promos. You

984
01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:02,340
know, so the The feed will be
filled up with highs as Kim

985
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:06,240
Wilde, whatever, listen to my
show, and then it'll be

986
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:12,480
continuously lit. That's a 24
hour stream. So and we'll flip

987
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,680
the music tag the medium tag to
music. So when you're in a music

988
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,550
app and you're going through the
album's you'll see 100% retro

989
01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:22,830
and you'll click on it and you
can listen live or listen to

990
01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:24,780
whatever else they're going to
put into that feed.

991
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:27,720
Oh, yeah, this has got Darren
Oh, written all over it.

992
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:31,289
I totally. Oh, totally. Exactly.

993
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,330
Did you hear Todd on the new
media show say that he had set

994
01:05:36,330 --> 01:05:38,640
up an audio, and I'd

995
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,750
be willing to share it. I love
that that was great.

996
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,260
Well, then it shouldn't there be
in that scenario, should there

997
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:46,950
not be

998
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:48,900
a split, split?

999
01:05:50,099 --> 01:05:51,779
Or split? Of course,

1000
01:05:52,350 --> 01:05:55,680
like I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna
pay you a little bit in order to

1001
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,150
you to rent your stream

1002
01:05:57,180 --> 01:05:59,940
for a little bit. Right. But I
mean, that that can also just be

1003
01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:03,780
I mean, the simple sneakernet
version is hey, man, let me use

1004
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:07,200
your stream. And I'm going to
put you in the value block for

1005
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,250
the Live episode for the lit.
Yeah. Totes. Totes McGoats I

1006
01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:15,390
can't believe you said that,
shall we? Shall we thank a few

1007
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:18,300
people who have sent been sent
diligently sending comments

1008
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:21,900
feedback in the form of booster
Graham's first show. I think

1009
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:28,050
it's time now Chimp, by the way,
is no slouch. Chimp comes in

1010
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:36,990
just seven seconds ago. With
92,422 Satoshis Thank you. Yo,

1011
01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:41,970
join chimp and Captain brunch on
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1012
01:06:41,970 --> 01:06:45,030
newest lit V for V show to hit
the wave starts this Saturday,

1013
01:06:45,030 --> 01:06:47,550
big shout out to Steven B and
sovereign fees for making it

1014
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:48,150
possible.

1015
01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:50,640
So there's a promo last night

1016
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:54,179
yeah, so I saw that the chimp
the chimp lit thing was going

1017
01:06:54,179 --> 01:06:55,859
on. I haven't tuned in yet
though.

1018
01:06:56,310 --> 01:07:01,080
99,099 from G of the Midwest.
Sometimes pod verse crashes when

1019
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,260
I boost but overall, it's my
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1020
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:07,980
for streaming the SATs.
Blueberry with a row of sticks

1021
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:13,470
11,111 To answer Adams question,
I like supporting podcasting 2.0

1022
01:07:13,470 --> 01:07:16,410
Because it is the punk rock
thing to do. And it'll piss your

1023
01:07:16,410 --> 01:07:22,170
nanny state off. Being a part of
the stay while album and seeing

1024
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,160
it release. It felt like a first
victory against the New World

1025
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:32,190
Order. The future so lit you're
gonna need 3d glasses. Like it's

1026
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:38,790
like 10,101 So one a one a one
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1027
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1028
01:07:49,110 --> 01:07:53,370
This is Yelder a podcast from
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1029
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:59,520
have great news. I started a
podcast today. We have great

1030
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,280
news over the transom from
Kazakhstan from Kazakhstan. All

1031
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,800
right. So what is a yeld? RC? I
have great news. I've started a

1032
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,290
podcast with the aim of
protecting distributing

1033
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:17,580
developing podcasting in
Kazakhstan. Hello. Nice. On this

1034
01:08:17,580 --> 01:08:20,880
occasion I have a favorite task.
Could you record a welcome

1035
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,310
speech to my listeners for a
couple of seconds please that

1036
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:29,100
the name of the podcast name is
Quoz podcast QA Z. Thank you in

1037
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:33,420
advance go podcasting. Okay, so
QA Z pa Do you think it'd be

1038
01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:37,650
Quoz? Or cause I don't want to
mess it up and I don't want to

1039
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:41,010
give them a bad a bad example.

1040
01:08:41,369 --> 01:08:45,389
Google Translate. Does it go
from Kazzak to

1041
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:50,280
Yeah, can you just que ese he
would any Kazakhstan's

1042
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:56,430
and here we go. Here we go.
Kazzak. que ese gas gas is what

1043
01:08:56,430 --> 01:08:56,790
attracts

1044
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,340
gas. Gas gas. Well, it makes
sense to have a gas podcast in

1045
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:07,590
Kazakhstan. Let's see. Oh, man,
that's really rich gas. Gas.

1046
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:08,640
Like like gas, I

1047
01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:11,819
guess. So I guess it's just I'll
throw

1048
01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:13,320
a little cosmic accent on it.

1049
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:16,410
A little more often. They're a
little boring. I'll

1050
01:09:16,409 --> 01:09:19,619
be fine. It's universal.

1051
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:21,090
I think we should do you like

1052
01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:25,590
I say I'll say hey, I'm Adam
curry the pod father you say hi

1053
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:29,520
as Dave Jones the pod sage.
Let's do it really hokey. And

1054
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,380
then I'll finish it up. It'll be
fun. It's ready. Yep. Hi

1055
01:09:34,380 --> 01:09:37,260
everybody there in Kazakhstan.
My name is Adam curry also known

1056
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:38,400
as the pod father.

1057
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,950
In this is Dave Jones the pod
sage

1058
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:44,790
we want to welcome you to the
brand new podcasting 2.0

1059
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:54,600
initiative in Kazakhstan Gods
podcast all the way that sounds

1060
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:55,290
professional

1061
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:56,370
epic. Epic.

1062
01:09:57,150 --> 01:10:00,600
That's, that's straight. That's
straight voiceover work. If we

1063
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:01,590
didn't get paid for that,

1064
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,450
pay two or 50,000 pops right in
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1065
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you Patreon. Appreciate that.
10,000 Eric PP no boost

1066
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:18,270
otherwise we got to 19,760 SATs.
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Bicentennial boost times 10 from
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1068
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I met the dirty Jersey whore.

1069
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:27,660
No you didn't I did he was

1070
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:31,410
at the beach. He came to the
beef initiative in in Bluffton,

1071
01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:39,960
Georgia was the dirty very dirty
he's he's about six five, you

1072
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:45,030
know has about 40 pounds on me.
Big beard. Yeah, it was a really

1073
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:50,070
nice guy. big burly fun guy.
That total Jersey whore. Yeah,

1074
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,330
of course. That's what all our
horse look like. On the bar.

1075
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,550
That's right, right on the tin.
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1076
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1077
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1078
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:10,500
was supposed to be an earth
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1079
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:18,270
man. Boobies blueberries just
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1080
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permissionless. Milkshakes.
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1081
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,430
international podcast day is the
right name of the event

1082
01:11:26,430 --> 01:11:30,660
September 30. David Lee sorry
for the misspelling I wonder if

1083
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:33,570
I have the ducks in a row next
Friday. Best premises Martin

1084
01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:40,200
Linda's koge. Martin is up to
something there. Oh, man, but

1085
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,830
does he have a whole guest
another here this is this

1086
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:46,050
complicated? What are you trying
to something? Well,

1087
01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:48,690
international podcasting day
apparently is on September 30.

1088
01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:55,560
And when we see is that I think
that we've got all the pre the

1089
01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:00,360
pre show booths out of the way.
Thank you all very much. You are

1090
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,050
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VP VP M algorithm.

1093
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,950
Thank you for being a number.
Yes, coming. Yes,

1094
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:12,510
was gross. I hate this stuff.

1095
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:15,870
Now I know I really dig it. I'm
very excited. I'm very excited

1096
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:20,520
to learn just learning more. And
now obviously, I see that it

1097
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,890
could be that people come
together and say, Hey, we like

1098
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:24,960
this rule or the here's our
whitelist or here's our

1099
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,780
blacklist, and they put all
together in open fashion. And

1100
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:30,330
they come up with something
that, you know, that works for

1101
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:31,200
their system.

1102
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,150
I don't you know, I don't like
the math. I don't like the math

1103
01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:40,860
behind it. It's not just that I
don't like math. It's that I

1104
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:46,920
think the math is is inherently
flawed because the bigger so,

1105
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:51,390
you know, we talked about this
with the podcast consultants who

1106
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:53,940
say okay, well, you have this
many downloads. And here's the

1107
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:59,670
current CPM rate. And if you
increase your downloads by this

1108
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:02,400
and your engagement percentage
by this, and here's the formula,

1109
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,530
and this is how much money
you're gonna make. And that's,

1110
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:10,620
that's a complete BS, play it
because in this is what's in my

1111
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:14,700
opinion, in my opinion, this is
what is going to happen with

1112
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:20,190
programmatic. The more by its
very nature of supply and demand

1113
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:25,920
by economic law, the more people
who enable programmatic the

1114
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,230
lower the rates are gonna get
absolutely

1115
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:32,070
no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I
have something to add to that in

1116
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:32,370
a minute.

1117
01:13:32,489 --> 01:13:36,449
Okay, it's as you if there's
5000 podcasters right now who

1118
01:13:36,449 --> 01:13:41,039
hasn't programmatic turned down?
If two years from now there's

1119
01:13:41,759 --> 01:13:45,869
200,000 that have it turned on
your rates are gonna go through

1120
01:13:45,869 --> 01:13:50,669
the floor? Kinda everybody's
gonna make less money Yeah. Now

1121
01:13:50,669 --> 01:13:53,609
bill rates are gonna go down the
down the crapper, everything is

1122
01:13:53,609 --> 01:13:54,839
gonna, it's gonna fall apart.

1123
01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:59,220
I don't know. I think the fill
rates are pretty open as it was.

1124
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:03,690
It was really odd because both
pod land pod line does mid rolls

1125
01:14:03,690 --> 01:14:09,840
from Buzzsprout. And blueberry.
They were they with who does

1126
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,440
blueberry have doing their their
dynamic ad insertion?

1127
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,430
Sound stack? Does that sound
right?

1128
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:21,360
I think I wrote it down here.
Yes. Sounds good. Yeah, there's

1129
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,970
sound stack and advertised cast.
Those are kind of the two

1130
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:29,790
players I believe. So now I've
been receiving whenever I

1131
01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:34,500
started the new media show an ad
for nice and ice.com. Not quite

1132
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:38,220
sure what they do is not
appropriate for me. It's okay,

1133
01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:42,210
they're short. Now, they're
really kind of non intrusive.

1134
01:14:42,210 --> 01:14:46,230
They're almost like very short
radio ads, which is kind of the

1135
01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:50,310
problem that I had with it.
Because the one that I got today

1136
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:54,180
as I was listening was for a
promotion for hepatitis C

1137
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:59,700
vaccination. Oh. Which, which,
by the way, you know, that's

1138
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,250
foreign. My money. That's pretty
good. I mean, that's that's

1139
01:15:02,250 --> 01:15:06,060
impressive. That's that that's
advertising out there. But it

1140
01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:12,060
took me to a place that I wasn't
prepared for. I was ready for

1141
01:15:13,140 --> 01:15:20,520
laughter known to lie. Taught
and wrote morning, in the

1142
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,520
afternoon, then and I got to
know, are you? Are you seething

1143
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,690
with hepatitis C?

1144
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:31,380
Bones coming out of your nose?

1145
01:15:33,540 --> 01:15:36,090
No, of course you don't, because
you're gonna get vaccinated with

1146
01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:40,170
his Hep C vaccine. So it was
just jarring. That's all.

1147
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,740
But I, what I was going to add
to this as we I received our

1148
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:49,260
podcast evaluation for no
agenda.

1149
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:56,940
Oh, pencast broker for the sale.
Your pocket.com?

1150
01:15:56,940 --> 01:15:58,680
Yes, yes. What was the wait?

1151
01:15:58,710 --> 01:15:59,610
Can you share it?

1152
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,200
I'm going to absolutely.

1153
01:16:03,210 --> 01:16:05,100
I'm all ears. I'm on my toes. So

1154
01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:09,210
podcasts broker.com I really
liked this concept. You can say,

1155
01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:13,650
hey, I'm tired. And believe me.
DeVore. I've mentioned these

1156
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,470
numbers on no agendas at work.
And I retired. Yeah, we're

1157
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:19,050
tired, man. Should we punch out?
Yeah, we can sell this thing.

1158
01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:24,510
Really? Yeah. Apparently we can.
Now the podcast broker gives us

1159
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:28,800
an honest evaluation. And you
know, that still has to put it

1160
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,440
out in the market. But I think
the podcast broker would

1161
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,580
hopefully already have an idea
of potential buyers. Maybe not.

1162
01:16:35,940 --> 01:16:40,800
It's an IPO. It's an it's an
initial podcast offering.

1163
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,330
Well, in a way, except the
except then the host don't get

1164
01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:46,500
sold with the show.

1165
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,530
Yeah, y'all have to get out. You
have to leave. That's the

1166
01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:53,070
point. So and they don't want
you this. What's your domain

1167
01:16:53,070 --> 01:16:56,880
names your catalog, you know,
all this stuff, everything. Now,

1168
01:16:57,090 --> 01:16:59,610
besides that being I think
pretty much impossible because

1169
01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:03,030
we don't own anything. All the
stuff was done by producers of

1170
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:07,500
the show. Yeah, and that we
probably never would. But it was

1171
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:11,670
fun to find out. But not for
this money. So we I gave them

1172
01:17:11,670 --> 01:17:17,040
some honest but general numbers.
And the net present value at

1173
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,740
sale, do you want to guess the
no agenda show what that would

1174
01:17:19,740 --> 01:17:23,430
be worth to someone who's going
to buy that? Without us?

1175
01:17:23,790 --> 01:17:26,640
Just the nature of what this
thing is? I'm gonna say that

1176
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,260
it's going to be something
absurdly low. And I'm gonna say

1177
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:36,270
I'm gonna go 150 grand. Oh, no,
no.

1178
01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:43,020
No, no, no, no, no. 15 years,
man, almost 1500 shows now

1179
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:51,390
$1,846,611. Which is not enough
for us to give it up, obviously.

1180
01:17:51,390 --> 01:17:54,960
But here's what's interesting.
So they say no, and it's a very

1181
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,020
short note. It's nice, it's
formatted. But then it says on

1182
01:17:58,020 --> 01:18:00,660
the right on the same page, it
says potential annual

1183
01:18:00,690 --> 01:18:02,670
programmatic ad revenue.

1184
01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:05,100
Wait, you get a residual?

1185
01:18:06,059 --> 01:18:10,589
No, I think that this is how
they would sell it is like this

1186
01:18:10,589 --> 01:18:17,519
show with this audience has a, a
potential annual programmatic ad

1187
01:18:17,519 --> 01:18:21,689
revenue number. So again, the
net present value, if we sell

1188
01:18:21,689 --> 01:18:27,419
it, if someone would buy it is
1.8 million 1.85. Roughly, the

1189
01:18:27,419 --> 01:18:30,569
potential annual programmatic ad
revenue should you buy this

1190
01:18:30,569 --> 01:18:33,629
fantastic property without the
host? Or more importantly, and I

1191
01:18:33,629 --> 01:18:37,499
think that was the message. Hey,
why would you sell your podcast

1192
01:18:37,619 --> 01:18:42,179
when we can get you this money?
In programmatic ad revenue? The

1193
01:18:42,179 --> 01:18:43,769
number Oh,

1194
01:18:43,770 --> 01:18:45,810
good. Okay. Now this makes
sense. The

1195
01:18:45,810 --> 01:18:51,090
number is $2.4 million. Well,
there you go. I mean, before I

1196
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:54,360
get a value for value, stick it
up your butt. We'll take the two

1197
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,560
and a half million bucks.

1198
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,530
Yeah, I mean, all you got to do
is drop some Pepsi.

1199
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,140
Pepsi, you're a millionaire. You
can move to Beverly.

1200
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,790
Yeah, you change nothing about
your show. Except every every

1201
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:11,910
once in a while. You just say
Hey, is anybody Hey, John, have

1202
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:15,240
you taking your hypsi? Yeah,
yeah, did Dad um, it was great.

1203
01:19:15,450 --> 01:19:17,850
Man. It made it made me feel all
tingly. And I thought oh, they

1204
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:19,830
got all freaked out. But then I
thought you know what, this is

1205
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:20,580
kind of chill.

1206
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:24,600
The sad thing is both of us are
very capable of doing that. We

1207
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,260
have done it before. We're very,
very capable of it. Not a

1208
01:19:28,260 --> 01:19:31,890
problem. So that was

1209
01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:38,190
I see this. I see this now.
Which I don't I still don't

1210
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:43,050
understand this whole, like, so.
So the real for most people.

1211
01:19:43,050 --> 01:19:46,440
It's not about selling your
podcast. It's about it's about

1212
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:51,060
oh, hey, you can get more money
through programmatic ads. But if

1213
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:57,570
you got offered 1.8 million for
a podcast where the host aren't

1214
01:19:57,570 --> 01:20:01,530
there anymore. I don't
understand. And this doesn't

1215
01:20:01,530 --> 01:20:04,650
make any sense. All I was
thinking was house podcast, the

1216
01:20:04,650 --> 01:20:05,580
host or the

1217
01:20:05,580 --> 01:20:09,330
show. I was thinking if I just
kill off Dvorak, you know, the

1218
01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:13,110
show has to end anyway. Boom.
1.8 mil for me, baby.

1219
01:20:13,140 --> 01:20:15,510
Yes, right. You don't have to
share that at all.

1220
01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:18,540
No. Screw that.

1221
01:20:19,469 --> 01:20:22,439
I know I don't, I just don't
understand when

1222
01:20:22,499 --> 01:20:24,659
I actually think about he might
kill me off. I

1223
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:27,510
gotta be careful. The funny
thing would be is if somebody

1224
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,290
whoever buys no agenda, they're
gonna get in there and be like,

1225
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,430
Oh, okay, Jim, contact us no
agenda shop.com. Guys, let's

1226
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:38,400
check out that contract. See
what it looks like. There's no

1227
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,210
contracts or

1228
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,200
what? Yeah, actually, that's
funny. You mentioned that. For

1229
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,890
the 15th anniversary, what I
want to do is have a list of all

1230
01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:51,360
the stuff that has been done by
no agenda that has nothing to do

1231
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,270
with us. But all the you know,
how many T shirts have been

1232
01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:57,810
sold, how many artists got paid
for that? How many meetups were

1233
01:20:57,810 --> 01:21:00,300
there? You know, all there's so
many cool metrics that we have

1234
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:01,380
no idea about.

1235
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:04,650
You can imagine somebody doing
the same thing with you by

1236
01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:08,910
podcasting 2.0 show, and it's
like, contact the OP three dot

1237
01:21:08,910 --> 01:21:11,160
dev team, and let's get them in
here for voice like,

1238
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:14,610
get them in here for a code
review. So code reviews,

1239
01:21:14,940 --> 01:21:18,060
you know, they they're their own
thing, right? There's a what?

1240
01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:21,810
Well, so that's one other
important thing I want to say.

1241
01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:27,690
Because it's, and I was gonna do
a clip, because it was but then

1242
01:21:27,690 --> 01:21:31,860
again, it was about a cast
laying off, you know, 70 people,

1243
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:33,240
or 15% of its staff.

1244
01:21:33,630 --> 01:21:37,020
That said, it said, I don't want
that to happen. No, of course,

1245
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:37,140
it's

1246
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:40,680
sad. But I do want to remind
everybody, this is exactly what

1247
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,340
I predicted this is going to
happen. Because for all of the

1248
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:49,050
billion dollars that is floating
around podcasting, not a single

1249
01:21:49,050 --> 01:21:53,070
one of these companies, except I
guess parliamo, maybe that may

1250
01:21:53,070 --> 01:21:56,280
be a different deal. But
apparently, none of them are

1251
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,920
able to make profit. And a cast
is public, which makes it even

1252
01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:06,960
more. So it's unrelenting. If
you're and I've run a public

1253
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,970
company, I've run companies with
700 employees. And it sounds

1254
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:16,920
really harsh. And that was the
worst part of of the job. And in

1255
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,200
this case, it was and it's very
similar, I think, with

1256
01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:23,130
advertising. Because we were in
advertising, we lost the client

1257
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:28,920
or the client, cut their budget.
Well, there's a team. And

1258
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:32,160
depending on what you can do can
move someone to other teams, can

1259
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,140
you replace him with a new
client, which is usually the

1260
01:22:34,140 --> 01:22:37,110
first thing you try to do you
always have a pipeline, but it's

1261
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:41,250
not a team has to go that's
that's the nature of the

1262
01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:44,400
business and the advertising
businesses the same? Whether

1263
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,530
you're in print advertising, or
podcast advertising money on all

1264
01:22:49,530 --> 01:22:53,400
sides of the equation. Yes. But
I just want to remind everybody,

1265
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,780
the core problem is the central
bank rates. This is the core

1266
01:22:57,780 --> 01:23:03,990
problem for most people who if
you're now in your 30s Butoh,

1267
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:08,640
no, it was like before free
money, the free money came after

1268
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,030
the financial crash, which is
how they didn't fix anything.

1269
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:17,400
But how they made it groovy for
everybody is the investors could

1270
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,880
literally banks could literally
get money for free and invest it

1271
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:25,530
anywhere and go for growth,
young man go for growth. And now

1272
01:23:25,530 --> 01:23:29,040
that's over. And I know how hard
it is to actually make money in

1273
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,570
the advertising game with
podcast unless you compromise to

1274
01:23:33,570 --> 01:23:37,650
the degree that you're a making
podcast for the advertiser and

1275
01:23:37,650 --> 01:23:40,170
then supporting that with ads
around your network. That's

1276
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:42,900
typically what happens happened
to me. He's no shame in it, but

1277
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:48,510
it's annoying. Or the reason why
I left my own company was I felt

1278
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:53,070
like I was building NASCAR's
with great drivers, except here

1279
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:56,580
came the commercial guys. And
they put stickers all over the

1280
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:59,670
windshield, so my driver
couldn't drive. Could you see

1281
01:23:59,670 --> 01:24:02,490
and couldn't see out the
windshield. And I quit. It was

1282
01:24:02,490 --> 01:24:07,020
just it wasn't fun anymore. It
was not funny. No, no BMW,

1283
01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:10,470
though. Oh, they heard something
on this podcast and Maj.

1284
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:14,940
Weinstein says something wasn't
even advertised on that podcast,

1285
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:17,670
but as part of the network, I
mean, it's a never ending,

1286
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:21,900
Nightmare nightmare. They want
to be in control. They want to

1287
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:24,720
know exactly what's happening.
The ones that aren't are going

1288
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,480
to be you know, you're just not
going to have enough of them at

1289
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,760
the low prices. They will
actually settle for I mean,

1290
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,760
there's, I think I sent you a
link there's companies who are

1291
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,330
buying up rendement advertising
already and giving out great

1292
01:24:36,330 --> 01:24:39,240
deals to people just you know,
like Ricketts is a typical

1293
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,050
advertiser. I think they do.
They own lots of small fast

1294
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:48,120
moving consumer goods. Like
allergy stuff Zyrtec might be

1295
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,840
there's Yeah, we're so products.
You know they'll they'll buy

1296
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,890
remnant inventory just blanket
the landscape. But you know, you

1297
01:24:55,890 --> 01:24:58,680
got to think what you're doing
when I when I put into the mood

1298
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,070
for my afternoon delight with A
little bit of hep C jarring man,

1299
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:05,430
I gotta I gotta be honest about
I'm okay. I'm not hurt, but it

1300
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:06,030
was jarring.

1301
01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:13,830
Yeah. You know, I don't think
the time to get out. If you were

1302
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:17,910
gonna get it. Do you think this
is fair? In the podcasting

1303
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:21,330
industrial complex? The time to
get out with an exit was

1304
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:25,110
probably a year ago or two years
ago. Yeah,

1305
01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:29,880
well, you trigger something with
me. Because when Joe was Pete

1306
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,400
getting out, really that also
started a lot of other things.

1307
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,360
No agenda is completely
inappropriate for no agenda is

1308
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:39,450
always going to be what it is
until we're no more and then

1309
01:25:39,450 --> 01:25:40,230
we'll see what happens.

1310
01:25:40,710 --> 01:25:43,170
It's like Rush without no part.
It's just not gonna happen.

1311
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:48,900
Right? Exactly, exactly. When I
hear that Spotify has now so

1312
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:53,880
they do music, they've expanded
to audiobooks for which they

1313
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,650
have oh, the prices are high.
Well, they have prices. I have

1314
01:25:58,650 --> 01:26:01,860
to say, you know, I saw this
right away when they launched

1315
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:06,630
podcasting, when you go to put
your, your work, your love your

1316
01:26:06,630 --> 01:26:11,880
value, your your heart and soul,
your emotion, your laughter,

1317
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,790
whatever it is, you're putting
that into a podcast, and you're

1318
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:19,290
going to sign up with Spotify.
And you literally take the box

1319
01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:21,720
and give them the rights to
everything and they pay you

1320
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,290
nothing. What is wrong with you
people look at what they're

1321
01:26:25,290 --> 01:26:28,170
doing with other types of
content. Why do you consider

1322
01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:29,820
yourself to be less?

1323
01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:41,490
Yeah, it's crazy. That's what it
sounds as Spotify doing anything

1324
01:26:41,490 --> 01:26:45,750
for for podcasts? Are there any
advertising deals? Can you sign

1325
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:48,450
up and get ad money from them? I
don't think

1326
01:26:49,019 --> 01:26:50,399
they own megaphone.

1327
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:51,510
Okay.

1328
01:26:53,010 --> 01:26:55,980
Now, I think they bought them
maybe last All right earlier

1329
01:26:55,980 --> 01:27:01,380
this one? Man, I don't know. I
don't know. I don't know. But I

1330
01:27:01,380 --> 01:27:03,720
think no, but I think you're
right I mean think engine in

1331
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,790
general. Taking your content and
making money off of it and you

1332
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:14,340
get that goes back to the CPM
thing. Why did my paper but the

1333
01:27:14,340 --> 01:27:19,260
CPM thing, that CPM rate that 20
You know, whatever it said on

1334
01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:23,400
there, like three, five and $12
for a programmatic? Five and

1335
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:28,530
$12. That's five and $12 total,
that you only get 70% of that?

1336
01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:30,120
Oh, yeah. Oh, there's

1337
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,190
that? Yeah. Yeah,

1338
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:36,600
yeah, it goes to the, to the
agency. So like, I mean, that's

1339
01:27:36,630 --> 01:27:42,330
that $5 CPM, currently, which
may be $2, in five years. I

1340
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:48,630
mean, 1000, downloads gets you,
you know, dollar, but whatever,

1341
01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:53,520
you know, 70% of five bucks is,
you know, 350, or whatever. You

1342
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,720
think that's not great.

1343
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:58,920
I love the vulture article in I
guess that's part of New York

1344
01:27:58,920 --> 01:27:59,670
Magazine.

1345
01:27:59,910 --> 01:28:01,290
I haven't read that yet.

1346
01:28:01,470 --> 01:28:08,370
It's very long. It is fantastic.
Because it shows you it

1347
01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:14,820
describes to a tee, the podcast
industrial complex 100%, and how

1348
01:28:14,820 --> 01:28:19,170
the people inside of it think.
And it's it's all hits, it's all

1349
01:28:19,170 --> 01:28:23,010
hits driven. Oh, you know, we'd
haven't had a hit like cereal

1350
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:26,880
for years. You know, it's like
podcasting is just radio. Now.

1351
01:28:26,970 --> 01:28:31,380
It's been ages since the last
blockbuster narrative show. What

1352
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:34,410
does that mean for the medium as
an art form? And what they're

1353
01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:40,110
stuck in the the author, and a
lot of the people reference here

1354
01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:43,560
is the idea that, that you have
to have a hit that everyone's

1355
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:48,600
talking about. But you don't you
could this this show right here

1356
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,260
is a hit. It's a hit in our
industry. No one knows about it.

1357
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:56,310
You can get it on Spotify or
Apple podcast. I know someone

1358
01:28:56,310 --> 01:29:00,000
did upload it. You can't get it.
On pirated us there. And that's

1359
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:04,890
interesting. We don't care. It's
all about No, all the numbers

1360
01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:10,980
are down. It's only 30,000. Now
I like to care if you like and I

1361
01:29:10,980 --> 01:29:14,730
really liked this podcast where
the where the crawdads sing but

1362
01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:17,970
but there's not enough people
listening to it. Who cares? Did

1363
01:29:17,970 --> 01:29:18,930
you like it?

1364
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,580
Were the curl deaths?

1365
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:28,830
It was it was there was
something? This is the Alex

1366
01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:32,190
Bloomberg co founder of gimlet
media, the ones golden child

1367
01:29:32,190 --> 01:29:38,040
with a podcast business that was
sold to Spotify in 2019. What

1368
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,860
does he say here? Oh, yeah. So
in other words, immediate

1369
01:29:40,860 --> 01:29:44,190
business. I was asking him is
this all going to end up shaking

1370
01:29:44,190 --> 01:29:47,250
out like radio? In other words,
immediate business that mostly

1371
01:29:47,250 --> 01:29:49,860
revolves around high profile
Talking Heads Rush Limbaugh,

1372
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:53,310
Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, Alex
Cooper. The trio Will Arnett

1373
01:29:53,310 --> 01:29:56,250
Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes,
who reportedly signed a deal

1374
01:29:56,250 --> 01:30:00,300
with Amazon worth as much as $80
million for it's all whole

1375
01:30:00,540 --> 01:30:04,770
circle jerk. And they even say,
you know, we've built Hollywood

1376
01:30:04,770 --> 01:30:09,360
but you know, there's no content
is no hits. And and it's the

1377
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,180
exact same problem is what you
said about programmatic ads,

1378
01:30:12,210 --> 01:30:15,300
there's a lot of podcasts, and
they each have their own little

1379
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:17,790
audience and they have their own
value structure and their own

1380
01:30:17,790 --> 01:30:21,330
value chain, and they're gonna
be just fine. They will get

1381
01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:24,930
exactly out of it what they
deserve. And that's and that's

1382
01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:28,620
the future that is the media,
you beef initiative, Texas slim

1383
01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:32,610
as a podcast, it's really
important for you know, hundreds

1384
01:30:32,610 --> 01:30:36,780
of people maybe 1000 That's it
to them that and that's

1385
01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:39,810
beautiful, and there's money
flowing and there's rancher

1386
01:30:39,810 --> 01:30:42,510
selling beef and people feeling
good and they're getting ended,

1387
01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:48,960
the whole thing is, is is
organized around a podcast

1388
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:53,550
that's the future that's the
future of media we're living

1389
01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:56,790
right now this this idea of you
have to have the be number one

1390
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:59,970
on the chart. It's It's
ludicrous, you will lose only

1391
01:30:59,970 --> 01:31:02,760
two people when and one of them
was always Beyonce.

1392
01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:10,620
You know, you know, this, this
podcasting 2.0 in Apple podcasts

1393
01:31:10,620 --> 01:31:17,820
that how we've been put in
there. You changed the live

1394
01:31:18,180 --> 01:31:19,020
image

1395
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,310
today, so that it did I just
wanted you in the push

1396
01:31:23,310 --> 01:31:26,730
notification. Again, I got I got
a push notification.

1397
01:31:27,599 --> 01:31:33,029
Okay, so this is going to be in
you have inadvertently done an

1398
01:31:33,029 --> 01:31:38,219
experiment, because we don't
know how this podcasting 2.0

1399
01:31:38,219 --> 01:31:43,919
Running with Scissors art got
into Apple podcasts. Because

1400
01:31:43,919 --> 01:31:50,339
that that art only shows up in
two places in the feed. It shows

1401
01:31:50,339 --> 01:31:55,619
up in the live item image tag in
one episode, probably. And no,

1402
01:31:55,619 --> 01:31:59,039
it shows up in every other
episode, but only as part of the

1403
01:31:59,099 --> 01:32:04,469
images tagged the podcast colon
images tag, Oh, interesting. So

1404
01:32:04,499 --> 01:32:10,319
that means the apple podcasts
directory, their aggregator is

1405
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:16,559
either running through the feed
and looking and finding the

1406
01:32:16,559 --> 01:32:21,389
first image it in hitting the
first iTunes colon image it can

1407
01:32:21,389 --> 01:32:26,309
find in grabbing that
irrespective of XML structure,

1408
01:32:26,909 --> 01:32:32,879
which would pick it up from the
live item, or it's interpreting

1409
01:32:32,879 --> 01:32:38,579
the podcast colon images
namespace tag. Well, I guess the

1410
01:32:38,579 --> 01:32:43,919
third option less likely is ix.
It's interpreting the podcast

1411
01:32:44,009 --> 01:32:47,609
live item tag, which I doubt but
who you know who knows what

1412
01:32:47,609 --> 01:32:50,249
they're doing internally. So
this is going to be interesting

1413
01:32:50,249 --> 01:32:53,999
because if the image that you
changed in the live item becomes

1414
01:32:53,999 --> 01:32:58,139
the apple Podcast Directory
image for us, we will know that

1415
01:32:58,139 --> 01:33:01,529
they're picking it up from the
live item. It doesn't, I'll get

1416
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,200
I'll give you another scenario.
Here's what I think happened.

1417
01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:10,980
Okay, so you can so this image
is just an episode image and I

1418
01:33:10,980 --> 01:33:13,830
put the one of Phoebe in there
with the value for value logo

1419
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:15,660
around her neck, which was done
by

1420
01:33:16,979 --> 01:33:20,699
Mark Don, thank you very much
very funny. She got a little

1421
01:33:20,699 --> 01:33:21,359
booties on.

1422
01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:27,720
So I didn't sync that with the
channel image. So it shows up in

1423
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,600
the notification shows up if
you're playing the Live episode,

1424
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:37,080
the lit episode. It's possible
that I that I synced the running

1425
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:40,470
with scissors image at one point
during an episode just I think I

1426
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:45,360
did I recall syncing it one. So
it was the the logo. And Apple

1427
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,350
has a very stringent Rule No
2000 by 2000 Minimum image,

1428
01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:53,250
you're not going to show up as
an image. I'm pretty sure that I

1429
01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:56,880
never bothered to make our
channel image 2000 by 2000

1430
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,350
pixels. So it must have picked
up that one that was the channel

1431
01:34:01,350 --> 01:34:06,840
image it is 2000 by 2000 I
believe or bore larger. And so

1432
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,600
anything else has come since
then it has it's just rejected

1433
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,730
it they won't change it. This is
years of experience talking.

1434
01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:19,890
Yeah, I have to say sometimes I
don't sync the channel image or

1435
01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:23,490
I or I screw it up and I put the
wrong image that isn't the 2000

1436
01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:28,680
by 2001 into the no agenda feed.
And Ted horseman always emails

1437
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,780
me man. I love that guy. Hey,
man fix should fix your image

1438
01:34:34,859 --> 01:34:36,449
2000 That's easy. I

1439
01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:39,630
really tried to not mess that up
there and

1440
01:34:39,630 --> 01:34:45,300
to see how big this one is. This
one was not your right. It's 530

1441
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:46,560
for about 504

1442
01:34:46,860 --> 01:34:50,220
Our current one. Yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1443
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,710
Dang it. I thought I thought we
may have uncovered a secret tag

1444
01:34:55,710 --> 01:34:59,010
use with a secret podcasting
namespace tag with an Apple

1445
01:34:59,580 --> 01:35:05,460
ID doubt it. I'm sorry. Hey,
should we thank some people

1446
01:35:05,460 --> 01:35:08,130
here, Dave, who have been
supporting us so nicely and

1447
01:35:08,220 --> 01:35:11,130
we're moving up on a buck 35 So
we probably want to let people

1448
01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:15,030
know the doughnuts are a little
stale at this point.

1449
01:35:16,619 --> 01:35:19,589
Cold coffee doesn't bother me.
I'm alright. Yeah, sure. Wait,

1450
01:35:19,589 --> 01:35:23,939
let's do. Let's do some
safehouse first, we get big

1451
01:35:23,939 --> 01:35:28,859
week. Big paper week. We got
Marco. Oh, $500. Every month he

1452
01:35:28,859 --> 01:35:33,539
gets a big baller for that. Shot
Carla 20 his blade

1453
01:35:33,570 --> 01:35:38,730
on? I am Paula, thank you very
much for our VPM increase.

1454
01:35:39,149 --> 01:35:45,269
Yes. And I've got to contact
him. I gotta contact him this

1455
01:35:45,269 --> 01:35:50,339
week and ask if he needs the
episode, the mimic the iTunes

1456
01:35:50,369 --> 01:35:55,709
API mimic stuff. Let him know
that that stuff was live. So you

1457
01:35:55,709 --> 01:35:58,949
can use it as a fallback. And I
need to contact him again to see

1458
01:35:58,949 --> 01:36:03,179
if he needs the episode lookup.
Okay, because that's part that's

1459
01:36:03,179 --> 01:36:05,849
another one but it's going to be
a lot more complicated. If he

1460
01:36:05,849 --> 01:36:11,099
doesn't need it. I'm not going
to do it. Okay. Buzzsprout rally

1461
01:36:11,099 --> 01:36:11,519
dollars.

1462
01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:19,110
Play on am Paula. Big month.
Nice. Thank you, everybody.

1463
01:36:19,470 --> 01:36:25,170
I sent I sent Tom and Kevin a
couple of our units or even in

1464
01:36:25,170 --> 01:36:28,740
the index bro T shirts on my
own. Oh, cool. I just

1465
01:36:29,790 --> 01:36:32,910
got to order mine. I love those.
Those are so so awesome.

1466
01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:36,090
I wore mine at the at the

1467
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,120
Podcast Movement. Yeah. Did you
get any comments on it?

1468
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:46,500
Yeah, yeah. From Tom and Kevin
there was like on the way man on

1469
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:47,730
the way you couldn't

1470
01:36:48,630 --> 01:36:51,120
you should expense that to the
index when you don't have to pay

1471
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:51,570
for that.

1472
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,730
That's fine. Now let's gates he
gave us $100 As a one time I

1473
01:36:58,410 --> 01:37:01,380
appreciate that. That's very
nice.

1474
01:37:01,740 --> 01:37:06,270
Yeah, very, very kind of of Alex
and appreciate dearly to help

1475
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:09,360
with Python because I'm a I'm a
Python idiot. I know nothing

1476
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:15,750
about. C let's do some booster
grams. We got a chat Pharaoh

1477
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:18,630
3333. Through fountain note.
Thank

1478
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:19,289
you Chad.

1479
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:23,430
Chad Pharaoh again. 25,000 SATs
and he says Adam and Kyle make

1480
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:26,820
ice making ISOs while Dave was
rebooting was podcasting gold.

1481
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:29,730
It was it. I had it here.

1482
01:37:29,729 --> 01:37:30,929
I still haven't heard that.

1483
01:37:34,500 --> 01:37:42,420
Oh, there we go. But you haven't
your computer hasn't crashed

1484
01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:43,950
yet, but when it does, I'll be
ready.

1485
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:47,820
I rebooted the computer right
before the show. went ahead and

1486
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:48,030
got

1487
01:37:48,510 --> 01:37:50,910
it that means nothing. Trust me.
I know how this works.

1488
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:57,090
It's coming. froze froze here.
Gave us 5000 sets. No note.

1489
01:37:57,390 --> 01:38:01,230
Thank you for Rosie. Thank you.
Oh, look who it is Cali bear

1490
01:38:01,230 --> 01:38:04,830
20,000 cents. Thanks so much for
having me on and giving the

1491
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:08,700
intergalactic boombox some love.
Speaking of love, love your

1492
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:09,420
work, man.

1493
01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:14,790
I was one of those. Yes. A lot
of people liked that episode. It

1494
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:17,490
was fun. He was a fun guy to
talk to from a very different

1495
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:20,760
perspective, you know, much more
talent, obviously, it's talent.

1496
01:38:21,210 --> 01:38:21,750
Well,

1497
01:38:22,290 --> 01:38:27,210
I've been trying to sprinkle in
every now and then I'm going to

1498
01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:30,180
try to do a value for value
podcast or that's not

1499
01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:35,760
necessarily technical. Just go
for the show. Yeah, yeah, maybe

1500
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,310
you know, wants to everyone just
wants to know, every great once

1501
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:41,940
in a while, throw in an actual
podcaster like I want to get

1502
01:38:41,940 --> 01:38:45,870
chyron from immortals on the
show at some point, just because

1503
01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:50,370
it's really helpful to hear the
non technical podcasters point

1504
01:38:50,370 --> 01:38:53,880
of view, when it comes to how to
handle all this stuff. And I

1505
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,270
think I think that's a valuable
perspective. Completely agree.

1506
01:38:57,420 --> 01:39:01,680
Yeah. Roy Schonfeld. Hey
Scheifele Roy, how

1507
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,370
you doing?

1508
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:07,260
54321 And he just says great
episode. How you doing?

1509
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,590
Thank you, Roy. I while we were
in Georgia, there was a lot of a

1510
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:18,150
lot of lightning activity. They
had no they on boarded the white

1511
01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:21,870
oak pastures. And so the general
store had a had a lightning

1512
01:39:21,870 --> 01:39:25,170
checkout terminal and people
know it was cool. And I use

1513
01:39:25,170 --> 01:39:28,350
breeze for that all I think
exclusively. I love breeze just

1514
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:33,150
it's one of those things where I
don't have to worry. That breeze

1515
01:39:33,150 --> 01:39:36,750
is a great wallet. I mean, it's
it's it is also the first Apple

1516
01:39:36,750 --> 01:39:41,220
wallet. Don't call it the first
payment device app thingamabob,

1517
01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:47,730
jicama Jagi. Yes, it is the
first key authenticator that

1518
01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:49,050
I've enjoyed so much.

1519
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,840
It's Yes, that's right. Key
Verification Mechanism.

1520
01:39:51,899 --> 01:39:55,469
That's right. KVM mere mortals

1521
01:39:55,469 --> 01:39:59,729
podcast give us 4444 through
fountain Thank you. And Karen

1522
01:39:59,729 --> 01:40:02,909
says With the advertising model
it seems easy to lose focus on

1523
01:40:02,909 --> 01:40:07,319
what's important. Where Where am
I set? Where are my stats and

1524
01:40:07,319 --> 01:40:11,129
money man? Statistics for
statistics sake is just as

1525
01:40:11,129 --> 01:40:14,459
stupid as money for money's sake
are my favorite content for

1526
01:40:14,459 --> 01:40:22,589
content sake got it it's hard to
argue Thank you anonymous

1527
01:40:22,589 --> 01:40:25,859
donation of 22 to 22 SATs
through cast ematic Thank you

1528
01:40:25,859 --> 01:40:27,149
anonymous note

1529
01:40:29,070 --> 01:40:30,090
row ducks there

1530
01:40:32,130 --> 01:40:38,070
a 1505 sets through from Polish
Podcast Directory podcast dot

1531
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:40,710
info com through curio Castro

1532
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:47,520
podcast de dot info castI with a
K podcast with an IK and and I

1533
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:53,460
know K and CPODK as t y dot
info.

1534
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,080
Podcast T. That's hilarious. I
see. I mean of all the names you

1535
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:03,030
get. What Hey, what should we
cut the podcasts? Of course. Oh,

1536
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:08,070
this is so cool. Podcast. Wow,
man, let's let's do a podcast.

1537
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:10,980
He is a chief position. Yeah,
and about the show and said we

1538
01:41:10,980 --> 01:41:16,110
used to go to bigger rock. Yeah,
rock and roll bass. Here's a

1539
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:21,360
here's a wind podcast. From
podcast D Ooh, a PHP error was

1540
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,750
encountered. Ooh, that's good.
That's probably because of the

1541
01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:26,820
the Polish language is,

1542
01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:31,530
is probably is probably because
they've they're using PHP which

1543
01:41:31,530 --> 01:41:33,780
is not allowed per the rules of
CSV.

1544
01:41:34,530 --> 01:41:40,290
Here's xaba Wait jednym that all
shut? monkey cataflam The monkey

1545
01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:40,770
pox

1546
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,850
Yeah, it's above it's above ALA.
Well, welcome Well, welcome

1547
01:41:50,850 --> 01:41:51,600
podcast.

1548
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,110
I hope we're able to help you
guys in any way.

1549
01:41:56,129 --> 01:42:00,179
Yeah, and I hope we get all
their shows. I mean, we need to

1550
01:42:00,179 --> 01:42:02,099
slurp all those shows into the
index.

1551
01:42:02,130 --> 01:42:05,340
Yeah, point the Slurpee towards
Poland. Yeah,

1552
01:42:05,370 --> 01:42:10,500
pod Slurpee dot info. Okay,
here's another one podcast

1553
01:42:10,590 --> 01:42:13,380
podcast done info for curio
kasseri says I think you don't

1554
01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:17,100
get my boost via curio caster
I'm back on fountain. We got

1555
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:22,890
them both. We got them both no
problem. We're gonna go pirate

1556
01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:27,330
huddle. 3333 through fountain he
says I like when Dave sings the

1557
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:34,050
banjo music from deliverance
comb

1558
01:42:38,820 --> 01:42:39,990
my time in Georgia

1559
01:42:49,260 --> 01:42:54,540
man I love that song. Was that?
Are those roads deliverance? I

1560
01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:54,780
think

1561
01:42:54,780 --> 01:42:57,000
that a read that music was
written originally about Earl

1562
01:42:57,030 --> 01:43:05,520
Scruggs. Sounds right. Yeah.
See, comb. Comb McCormick 1234.

1563
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,490
Through fountain he says it's
incredible how the first killer

1564
01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:11,310
Bitcoin app is actually multiple
apps that opened the door to a

1565
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:13,980
new economy that can be
sustained with consistent

1566
01:43:13,980 --> 01:43:17,970
consistency and authenticity. so
hyped for podcasting rocket

1567
01:43:17,970 --> 01:43:18,990
rocket rocket rocket,

1568
01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:28,200
to the moon podcast, Value 100
Value for value dot info. Please

1569
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,900
take a look, Gigi and I've been
working on it. There's also a

1570
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:36,030
matrix chat. And there's a
document that you can help it

1571
01:43:36,030 --> 01:43:38,640
actually, I'd never I could have
find out what that thing is

1572
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:43,200
called at some incredibly cool
Open Source Editor. And so you

1573
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,870
have the rendered split screen
the render it's web based

1574
01:43:45,870 --> 01:43:48,720
rendering on the right hand side
and the left hand side is kind

1575
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,800
of like a Markdown editor. So
you can you could click in there

1576
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,670
and you can and then it changes
on the I gotta find out the name

1577
01:43:56,670 --> 01:44:00,720
of that is really, really cool.
So yeah, and he's moving

1578
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:04,860
everything towards matrix. So
that's been my foray into matrix

1579
01:44:04,860 --> 01:44:08,550
and so far no one else has shown
up but Gigi and I very very few

1580
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:12,030
people as a couple but there's
very few so join us in the it's

1581
01:44:12,030 --> 01:44:14,100
on value for value dot info on
that.

1582
01:44:14,670 --> 01:44:17,970
Excellent whoopsie man
everybody's doing XMPP I guess.

1583
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:22,410
Jean beans in his 1000 SATs. He
says I love the idea of boosting

1584
01:44:22,410 --> 01:44:25,530
the source of the clips used on
the soundboard due to GB

1585
01:44:25,650 --> 01:44:29,850
and I saw something. There was
some ln project that did

1586
01:44:29,850 --> 01:44:34,260
something kinda like that, but
it can be done. I mean, it can

1587
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:36,060
be done today. Any day.

1588
01:44:36,510 --> 01:44:40,080
If it can be done, it will be
Thalia someone will do it. Abel

1589
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:43,380
Kirby, Ada Ada, no note thank
you, April Kirby,

1590
01:44:43,620 --> 01:44:47,040
thank you. Boost, George Orwell

1591
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:51,749
111 And he said through fountain
and he says go podcasting got

1592
01:44:51,749 --> 01:44:58,889
it. Podcast. I'm gonna read
this. This is only 500 says but

1593
01:44:58,889 --> 01:45:04,409
the name of the user is Paul od
pimp and he gave us a sweet yeah

1594
01:45:05,339 --> 01:45:08,519
it says like the OP three idea
curious if feasible in Germany

1595
01:45:08,549 --> 01:45:14,819
we absolutely call localizers de
pop Wilson is 500 says it's also

1596
01:45:14,819 --> 01:45:17,699
a nice and full name he says
Keep up the good work lads.

1597
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:21,570
Oh thank you. Thank you doing
how you doing booster. Auburn

1598
01:45:21,570 --> 01:45:22,140
Citadel

1599
01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:25,710
send us 50,000 SATs which is a
departure from the usual 49,000

1600
01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:29,580
That he sends and he sent it to
fountain and he says booster

1601
01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:37,980
Graham confetti Thank you over
Citadel anonymous through pod

1602
01:45:37,980 --> 01:45:43,200
verse is great work on value for
value dot info. Thank you see

1603
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:48,150
Captain egghead 1540 faststats
through pod verse again, he says

1604
01:45:48,150 --> 01:45:52,290
just adding name to previous
anonymous 5451 boosts setting

1605
01:45:52,290 --> 01:45:56,190
lost during app upgrade. Okay, I
didn't see that one but

1606
01:45:56,310 --> 01:46:01,290
setting last you know and I just
gotta mention again I'm finding

1607
01:46:01,290 --> 01:46:06,210
that I have to re authenticate
the LV wallet a lot everywhere

1608
01:46:06,210 --> 01:46:09,540
including pod verse a lot
sometimes between shows where I

1609
01:46:09,540 --> 01:46:12,360
come back to a show and it's
gone some some

1610
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,030
local storage on that or some
cookies or something

1611
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:18,930
going on with it I mean it's
like I go to podcast index every

1612
01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:23,430
single time you go to podcast
index after a while then then

1613
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:24,780
the lb window pops up

1614
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,380
yeah the needle look at that and
part of it

1615
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:30,510
it's good part of it is just not

1616
01:46:31,859 --> 01:46:37,079
6969 sets from Hey citizen
through pod verse he says

1617
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:40,739
donating sets to the getting
divorce back on board find love

1618
01:46:40,739 --> 01:46:41,249
and lit

1619
01:46:41,370 --> 01:46:45,840
shoulders what was it pay
citizen and what was the other

1620
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:47,250
one? What do you say is

1621
01:46:47,850 --> 01:46:49,350
Oh wait I just deleted it.

1622
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:52,800
I'm sorry. Where you need what
his note again?

1623
01:46:53,460 --> 01:46:57,930
Oh, he's donating 6969 to they
get divorce back on board fund.

1624
01:46:57,990 --> 01:47:02,580
Oh okay, here we go. Citizen
6969.

1625
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:13,349
Loving lit 500 SATs. See that's
not that's anonymous. Oh, here

1626
01:47:13,349 --> 01:47:18,599
we go. 5552 three Satoshis dot
stream. Any just has a smiley

1627
01:47:18,599 --> 01:47:20,309
face emoji. Thank you Satoshi
straw.

1628
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:22,140
Thank you. Appreciate that.

1629
01:47:22,590 --> 01:47:23,370
Now they've

1630
01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:26,730
upgraded right Satoshi Steve's
streams on has a new interface

1631
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,310
outside of outside of

1632
01:47:30,210 --> 01:47:33,510
telegram is it live yet? Because
I don't think it is.

1633
01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:36,300
Okay. Well, we're ready. Then
you want we should get those

1634
01:47:36,300 --> 01:47:37,020
guys on?

1635
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,340
Yeah, we will if they will, you
know it's not it's it's an

1636
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:42,600
anonymous collective.

1637
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:47,550
Okay, no problem. The people
over in Australia thought about

1638
01:47:47,550 --> 01:47:47,820
this.

1639
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:52,740
Hi, I'm from Satoshi streams.
Anonymous collective but we

1640
01:47:52,740 --> 01:47:59,040
really like that's all that's
all it takes getting old.

1641
01:48:00,689 --> 01:48:07,769
WDS 20,011 SATs David OS is from
arsonists blue. And he says love

1642
01:48:07,769 --> 01:48:10,979
Dragon Ball Z so really enjoyed
the episode with Kyle glad just

1643
01:48:10,979 --> 01:48:13,619
include my name in the boost
message you either way go

1644
01:48:13,619 --> 01:48:15,359
podcasting WDS from RSA.

1645
01:48:19,380 --> 01:48:24,360
What's it gonna say? Oh, was it
was it chyron who ended his

1646
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,760
value for Value series two.

1647
01:48:27,630 --> 01:48:30,630
And with a million splits with
24

1648
01:48:30,630 --> 01:48:36,390
splits and they all worked.
That's fantastic. Like, does it

1649
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:41,430
also work on the on the
streaming sites and by the time

1650
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:45,270
you get done doing 24 payments,
your next payment is almost do

1651
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:48,420
is queued up. It's ready to go.
Yeah, it's just it's gonna

1652
01:48:48,450 --> 01:48:52,170
that's what makes it current.
That's why your phone is hot in

1653
01:48:52,170 --> 01:48:53,610
your pocket. is because of

1654
01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:54,690
this. Yeah,

1655
01:48:55,499 --> 01:48:58,469
definitely. Reason why.

1656
01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:04,950
Brian of London and hive Dao re
won 104,269 sets.

1657
01:49:05,250 --> 01:49:09,930
Oh, I think we got a baller for
that Oh, shot caller 20 is

1658
01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:12,240
blades on I am Paula

1659
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:16,199
says ketchup donation because
last week I was in Amsterdam for

1660
01:49:16,199 --> 01:49:19,409
high fest where everybody knows
the name of Adam curry.

1661
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:21,180
Yeah, they,

1662
01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:26,280
man I've had so many people,
including the organization asked

1663
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:30,480
me to come speak at Bitcoin
Amsterdam. What I'm missing is

1664
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:32,670
someone saying here's a ticket.

1665
01:49:34,170 --> 01:49:35,190
That's a problem.

1666
01:49:35,370 --> 01:49:38,340
And this is what I realized with
a lot of these are all

1667
01:49:38,340 --> 01:49:42,390
conferences, of course, but the
Bitcoin Conference, I think to a

1668
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:44,850
degree the podcasting conference
and you know, these things

1669
01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:48,600
should change a little bit.
Because what happens is you get

1670
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,330
so many people who are in the
business one way or the other

1671
01:49:51,330 --> 01:49:55,200
consultants, etc, that it's
their business, that they you

1672
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,440
know, they are either having an
expense account or they're there

1673
01:49:58,440 --> 01:50:01,920
for their business. but then
they asked all these speakers to

1674
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:06,510
come over for free and spend
your own money like I don't even

1675
01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:09,930
know if this helps podcasting
2.0 anymore I mean it's like

1676
01:50:10,530 --> 01:50:14,370
well I mean when it was all said
and done it's about what's it

1677
01:50:14,370 --> 01:50:20,700
going to be for us about fifth
1500 bucks 2000 For what for

1678
01:50:20,700 --> 01:50:23,970
that for both of us to go to
Podcast Movement and spend the

1679
01:50:23,970 --> 01:50:26,430
days there and just gas money
and everything.

1680
01:50:27,359 --> 01:50:30,269
I didn't calculate gas money but
it was like it was like two

1681
01:50:30,269 --> 01:50:33,539
grand for our hotels and our
meals that we charged to the

1682
01:50:33,539 --> 01:50:34,289
hotel

1683
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,870
which was not much I mean, it
was

1684
01:50:37,410 --> 01:50:40,890
you know 100 I was too busy
getting dollars a gas for me to

1685
01:50:40,890 --> 01:50:41,850
get there and back.

1686
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:45,570
Yeah, I don't I don't know what
I spent on that. There was other

1687
01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:49,440
stuff is not insignificant. Now
but even fly to Amsterdam.

1688
01:50:49,470 --> 01:50:51,960
That's your ticket is two grand.
Go. Yeah,

1689
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,880
yeah. And of course I require
business

1690
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:54,390
class.

1691
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:57,300
Here it is required. Do

1692
01:50:58,109 --> 01:51:02,849
one for me one for my lovely
wife. And a car I'd like $5,000

1693
01:51:02,849 --> 01:51:08,189
in a brown paper bag for our
limo 24 hour limo security

1694
01:51:08,189 --> 01:51:08,879
detail

1695
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:14,370
and all the green m&ms You know
a brother 2222 Road ducks

1696
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:16,950
through laferla CMA says I will
catch up with bigger booster

1697
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:19,320
gram in the near future. No I'm
thinking of fountains

1698
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:26,250
leaderboard see I'm thinking of
fountains leaderboard

1699
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:29,130
intergalactic boom bust sticker
international podcasting day on

1700
01:51:29,130 --> 01:51:32,640
September 30 And your certified
podcasting 2.0 t shirt. Recently

1701
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,520
I mentioned that new podcast
apps and value for value during

1702
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:39,390
the VC buzz Twitter chat. All
the best Martin lindskog lecien

1703
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:40,530
on Twitter

1704
01:51:48,510 --> 01:51:51,810
see Oh, no. The one from last me
says hi again. International

1705
01:51:51,810 --> 01:51:54,750
podcast. They use the right name
of the event on September 30.

1706
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,470
Okay, Dave Lee sorry for the
misspelling. I wonder if I have

1707
01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,650
the ducks in a row next Friday.
Best primis Mark Linda Scott.

1708
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:08,580
And we got the delimiter

1709
01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:12,480
calm and blogger Yes.

1710
01:52:12,750 --> 01:52:17,940
15,033 says he says howdy David
Adam. Firstly, with marijuana on

1711
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:21,570
top. Please don't carry water
for Vlad the enseigner as he's

1712
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:26,820
unelected dictator for 22 years.
Secondly, and lastly, Geller

1713
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:29,940
invited to our pod about
artificial intelligence magic

1714
01:52:29,940 --> 01:52:33,540
called AI dot cooking, narrated
by Gregory William Forsythe

1715
01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:37,710
Foreman from Kent in UK, just
type in your web browser or pod

1716
01:52:37,710 --> 01:52:40,110
catcher, AI dot cooking.

1717
01:52:40,170 --> 01:52:43,560
Yo, thank you comic strip
blogger. And I love comics for

1718
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,650
bloggers weekly contribution for
a number of reasons when we have

1719
01:52:46,650 --> 01:52:48,930
the delimiter. We know it's the
end of the donation segment

1720
01:52:48,930 --> 01:52:53,640
because he always posts when he
thinks it is time. And he posts

1721
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:57,750
that he has posted and he always
posted all the splits were were

1722
01:52:57,750 --> 01:53:01,170
successful. And so that way I
know. All the nodes are working.

1723
01:53:01,170 --> 01:53:04,200
I don't have to it's really it's
true. It's a great service.

1724
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:07,020
There's at least one one morning
a week, I don't have to worry

1725
01:53:07,020 --> 01:53:09,180
about the nodes running. Now

1726
01:53:09,210 --> 01:53:13,080
it it's not actually him posting
though it's aI at this point,

1727
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:13,410
right.

1728
01:53:15,330 --> 01:53:17,850
Comics, your blogger is i What
are you talking about?

1729
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,370
Yeah, that's true. So

1730
01:53:21,660 --> 01:53:25,140
I don't know if we carried water
for Putin. But I'll certainly

1731
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,890
won't mention anything positive
about Putin, if you start using

1732
01:53:28,890 --> 01:53:34,470
the term pod. Very good. In a
general observation from a

1733
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:39,210
native English speaker, it's
just a general observation. You

1734
01:53:39,210 --> 01:53:44,850
do as you do, boo. When you post
feedback publicly to an app

1735
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:49,530
developer, and you say, Hey,
what's going on with your app?

1736
01:53:49,530 --> 01:53:56,670
The app? I for some reason, I
want to strangle you. Is that

1737
01:53:56,670 --> 01:53:57,300
just me?

1738
01:53:59,070 --> 01:54:01,710
Noise if you strangled CSB, I
will help you.

1739
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:07,290
Whenever he's it's always like,
why isn't your appy app in the

1740
01:54:07,290 --> 01:54:08,160
App Store?

1741
01:54:09,359 --> 01:54:14,279
Hey, yeah, I think I understand
where he is. Let me

1742
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:18,060
not his intent. I know it's
never his intent to insult.

1743
01:54:18,420 --> 01:54:24,120
Now this this, this is, this is
the apps I'm 100% sure that this

1744
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,770
is the reason he does that is
because he's trying to make it

1745
01:54:28,770 --> 01:54:35,940
distinct from a web app. So he's
saying this, actually. No, I

1746
01:54:35,940 --> 01:54:41,760
like that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Let's
see he CSB die. He died like six

1747
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,270
years ago. This is all AI so the
AI is just doing the best it

1748
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:45,510
can.

1749
01:54:46,050 --> 01:54:50,250
Down in Georgia. Ai stands for
salt melts. artificial

1750
01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:52,440
insemination is what it stands
for down there.

1751
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:56,280
It's basically saying thank you.
Thank

1752
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:59,190
you comics for Blogger. Just
just constructive feedback. Just

1753
01:54:59,190 --> 01:55:01,740
let you know something I can
come across as a little weird

1754
01:55:02,609 --> 01:55:04,559
yes without that native app

1755
01:55:04,590 --> 01:55:09,210
yeah but now that I'm I'm
registered here at pod was that

1756
01:55:09,930 --> 01:55:15,540
pod kowski podcast podcast,
podcast podcasting dot info go

1757
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:17,370
learn more about your wonderful
language

1758
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,570
you're gonna you know run
through that big playlist of

1759
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:22,710
Polish podcast apps

1760
01:55:22,740 --> 01:55:28,620
how much it's a Swati these days
I wonder if that equals one's

1761
01:55:28,620 --> 01:55:31,590
Lottie you don't as Lottie is it
Poland doesn't have the Euro

1762
01:55:31,590 --> 01:55:32,760
they have this Lottie still

1763
01:55:33,149 --> 01:55:35,609
this Lottie that's that's like a
that's like their version of the

1764
01:55:35,609 --> 01:55:36,779
dirty Jersey horror.

1765
01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:41,460
Totally hear this Lahti the
official currency and legal

1766
01:55:41,460 --> 01:55:46,770
tender of Poland. Let's see what
is the current exchange? I

1767
01:55:46,770 --> 01:55:48,930
always like to talk I always
like zloty and I thought they

1768
01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:51,480
were always super smart for not
going with the euro.

1769
01:55:52,770 --> 01:55:55,980
So they maintain their own
currency. Yeah, they didn't get

1770
01:55:55,980 --> 01:55:57,120
into the economic union.

1771
01:55:57,180 --> 01:56:01,860
No, wow, I'm good for them. I
don't know. There'll be the

1772
01:56:01,860 --> 01:56:04,470
monetary union the probably
monetary

1773
01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:07,920
economic union. Yeah. Monetary.
That's Polish loss. Right.

1774
01:56:07,979 --> 01:56:10,769
Yeah. Okay, now we should do
digital zlotys.

1775
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:15,120
It just sounds cool. But just
hey, man, how many losses you

1776
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,170
pay for that slave?

1777
01:56:16,469 --> 01:56:18,269
Is it a pretty coin or is it
ugly? I

1778
01:56:18,269 --> 01:56:21,599
mean, it's Polish. Polish looks.

1779
01:56:22,350 --> 01:56:25,020
The South African Kruger is a
beautiful coin. The

1780
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:29,759
Krueger Krueger? Krueger? Yes.
We all have a gold Krugerrand

1781
01:56:29,759 --> 01:56:30,389
somewhere.

1782
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:35,490
Oh yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful.
As as is the Australian

1783
01:56:35,730 --> 01:56:39,810
kookaburra. That is also a very
beautiful gold coin. Yes. Face

1784
01:56:39,810 --> 01:56:44,580
to have a couple of monthly
donors

1785
01:56:44,610 --> 01:56:47,310
before you before you do that
have a couple of lives that came

1786
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:51,600
in 5000 from the east side,
Tony, thank you guys for all the

1787
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:55,800
hard work. You all inspired me
to start the defend the network

1788
01:56:55,830 --> 01:57:02,010
podcast, high school podcast,
podcast, and Dred Scott comes in

1789
01:57:02,010 --> 01:57:05,910
with so many ones. I'm just
gonna call it a forest of bamboo

1790
01:57:06,330 --> 01:57:13,290
1111116 ones or 111,111 SATs
live boost boot and he wants a

1791
01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:15,510
boot boot. You got it

1792
01:57:16,859 --> 01:57:20,969
Drib hope you're feeling better
brother. Hate that you're down

1793
01:57:20,969 --> 01:57:25,679
under the weather this week. The
last week? Yeah, we get we get

1794
01:57:25,679 --> 01:57:30,809
some monthlies. Get David would
find $3 When Goldy $8 Paul

1795
01:57:30,809 --> 01:57:36,659
Erskine $11.14 Charles current
$5 Michael Gagan $5 clone Gus

1796
01:57:36,659 --> 01:57:43,559
Buck $5 Christopher reamer $10
James Sullivan $10 Shawn McEuen

1797
01:57:43,739 --> 01:57:50,339
$20 Jordan Dunnville $10 and pod
news yield James Cridland $50

1798
01:57:50,339 --> 01:57:50,819
Thank you.

1799
01:57:50,820 --> 01:57:55,950
Thank you James. Very nice and
I'll add Chad F with 33,333

1800
01:57:56,970 --> 01:57:59,670
attended, attended my first
Bitcoin meetup last night good

1801
01:57:59,670 --> 01:58:02,250
times were had and I'm trying to
spread the world of podcasting

1802
01:58:02,250 --> 01:58:05,880
2.0 also the host was at bit
block boom and said he really

1803
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:10,860
enjoyed Adams value for value
speech. Score again. Big score

1804
01:58:10,890 --> 01:58:18,210
can Can I just say that? You
know, John DeVore X an improved

1805
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:22,560
understanding of Southern
accents. It's very nice to have.

1806
01:58:23,220 --> 01:58:25,770
It's gonna get a beat up someday
is what's gonna happen.

1807
01:58:26,250 --> 01:58:32,130
It's us. It's totally says, By
the way, the goose that accent

1808
01:58:32,190 --> 01:58:38,790
of the get he was the director
of the place you were at down in

1809
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:39,270
Georgia.

1810
01:58:39,420 --> 01:58:42,420
Oh, will Harris. Yeah,

1811
01:58:42,660 --> 01:58:47,430
that accent that's not a Georgia
accent. That That's incorrect.

1812
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:52,620
That's just an old South accent
that if you if you transport

1813
01:58:52,620 --> 01:58:56,280
yourself back to eight, you know
1840 You're gonna hear that all

1814
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,740
over. You're gonna hit South
Carolina, Mississippi

1815
01:58:58,740 --> 01:59:00,510
everywhere. That's not a Georgia
he

1816
01:59:00,510 --> 01:59:03,690
was born. He's fourth generation
on that ranch.

1817
01:59:04,350 --> 01:59:08,460
Yeah, that's old. That's old
south. Yeah. And you usually

1818
01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:13,410
hear that either in in old
southern families who have money

1819
01:59:13,860 --> 01:59:15,330
or have been in politics.

1820
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:20,220
Well, he goes That's
interesting. So that that's yes.

1821
01:59:20,970 --> 01:59:23,430
I can see that he that he's very
polite.

1822
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,010
Very polite if you want to hear
John Denson has very similar

1823
01:59:29,010 --> 01:59:33,420
he's a longtime Alabama Alabama
lawyer in Montgomery which is

1824
01:59:33,420 --> 01:59:37,410
the capital city that's that's
usually where you hear that is

1825
01:59:37,410 --> 01:59:41,640
by storied his history to
families of the South. I love

1826
01:59:41,639 --> 01:59:44,309
when you know to you attended
the whole conference as well.

1827
01:59:44,579 --> 01:59:47,999
And so it was okay I'm gonna
have dinner and then he piped up

1828
01:59:47,999 --> 01:59:56,609
and said just so you know. Down
here we call it Sapa. Message

1829
01:59:56,609 --> 01:59:59,969
receives, we call it sub.
Alright,

1830
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,810
I got a bunch more stuff but we
need to punt. I gotta head back

1831
02:00:03,810 --> 02:00:04,170
to work.

1832
02:00:04,380 --> 02:00:08,280
Oh, that's right. The summer the
summer of Friday. The summer

1833
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,350
tropical schedule is over. It's
no more.

1834
02:00:10,770 --> 02:00:14,070
Yes, it is. That's right. Yeah.
Beautiful. Next week we'll talk

1835
02:00:14,070 --> 02:00:16,230
about phase six next week
because we get we need to

1836
02:00:16,230 --> 02:00:16,980
discuss that.

1837
02:00:17,010 --> 02:00:20,790
Oh, hot namespace talk next week
was promo little promo,

1838
02:00:20,790 --> 02:00:22,380
everybody. Ooh, nice. Now

1839
02:00:22,380 --> 02:00:25,620
it's time for some hot namespace

1840
02:00:25,650 --> 02:00:28,170
next week. Next week, join us

1841
02:00:28,530 --> 02:00:30,960
appropriate because I had a I
had a phone call with Dame

1842
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,840
Jennifer this week. And we did a
little hackathon. Oh,

1843
02:00:34,439 --> 02:00:37,289
it was also available next week
is going to be the board meeting

1844
02:00:37,289 --> 02:00:40,499
of all board meetings. I hope
everyone has enjoyed. Dave Have

1845
02:00:40,499 --> 02:00:43,409
a great weekend, brother. You
too, bro. And everybody in the

1846
02:00:43,409 --> 02:00:45,749
chat. Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for being with us for the

1847
02:00:45,749 --> 02:00:49,559
live show. And we return next
week for the official board

1848
02:00:49,559 --> 02:00:53,429
meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Don't
be afraid of the status is just

1849
02:00:54,509 --> 02:00:55,379
everybody bye bye.

1850
02:01:10,830 --> 02:01:15,390
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