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podcasting 2.0 for September
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and dreamers everybody welcome
to podcasting 2.0 Your weekly

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board meeting for the podcasting
next generation. Everything

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happening in podcasts index.org
Of course any developments with

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apps wallets with posts with the
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going on in podcasts index dot
social I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of the Texas Hill
Country and in Alabama. The man

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who two years ago today said
Sure let's build it. Say hello

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to my friend on the other end
Mr. Dave Jones one time for the

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one time one time for the No, I
have removed it I have removed

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the air horn oh

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you did? Yes. I've divorced
ruined it he did overuse it he

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did and he screwed it up for the
rest of us

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he did it was just no good man.
No good

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are the channels down channels
down channel down I think

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because the podcast index dot
social was blowing up while it

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goes like the channels are down.
We killed the channels what

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happened? I

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don't know anything about this
is blowing

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up bonus up with episode 100.

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Oh yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, the
stuff that I've seen it all come

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in and nothing's broken as far
as I can tell. But I do hope

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that Tanner helps his listening.
Because I don't understand this

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value for value stuff. You know,
it just doesn't really work.

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No, it just doesn't work at all.
It's a failed experiment. We

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tried. Oh.

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Oh, I see what's going on one.
Let me just count Let me count

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the digits. 1234567

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sit Whoa.

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1,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott.

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Shot Carla 20 is blades on am
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She's got on my channel

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status a okay. Oh, we're still
we're still five by five we're

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in fine as far as I know. Wow.
Yeah. And you know, it's so this

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is this is a beautiful moment
out there's sup Yo sup? One time

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for the chimps in the 305 with a
100,000 or one says yeah, this

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will go on for this will go on
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This is gonna this is not going
to end well. This is going to

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end with melted nodes is what
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Yeah. This is one of the
beautiful things of value for

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value is the numerology when
people it's kind of cool that we

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have such large arrays of
numbers to play with, you know,

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you do 1000 SATs, you can do a
lot of fun numbers with that.

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Yes, I hear you 15 year olds
with the calculator upside down.

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But you can do as many as you
want. Really, you can have 100

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million, that's all fine. But
when people just automatically

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we didn't say give us 100,000
sat boosts. People just do that

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it became a whole thing. This is
how it works. Pay attention.

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This is how value value
functions.

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This this is a that is a perfect
that's a perfect way to go into

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that topic. me because I had I
had written this okay. You know,

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I wrote a bunch of notes about
about a bunch of things but here

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here's let's see if you go back
to the earliest episodes of this

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show compare them to the to what
is going on on each episode now.

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Yeah. The beat the feedback from
the listeners that jingles the

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boosts the things that we do
none of that was any it was part

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of any plan ever. The the the
listeners, the producers of the

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show, did it they created the
show that they want. They know

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you have now graduated that I'm
curious value for value

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University.

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Yes, that not including the odd
not including the audience in

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the show. If you don't make your
the audience a part of the show,

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then they're your they're never
going to feel a part of the show

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and they're not going to feel
the value connection. Yes,

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you're not going

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to your mileage will vary
significantly. Yes. Yeah.

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It's not a gimmick. It's not a
gimmick. The listeners create

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the show they help you create
the show.

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And that's where value for value
expands from time talent and

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treasure because you can you can
help in many ways.

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See dub says don't consume the
content become the content. I

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like it. Yeah.

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I like it. And you know, I gave
it a gave it a stab at bit block

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boom on if you had a chance to
see it's all He was really,

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really low. So I don't know if
many people watch the video.

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Yes, I saw I watched it in bits
and pieces all throughout the

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week it was, I couldn't get one
consistent time slot to do it.

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But no, it was good. It was
good. You really

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know it's getting tighter, it's
getting tighter. You had a lot

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you had more

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freedom to, to, to do it in
there at that conference than

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you did at Podcast Movement. You
already get such a tight window

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there.

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Oh, yeah, there was, there was
there was no explaining value

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for value at Podcast Movement.
But this was also a room full of

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Bitcoiners. So people who
already kind of have an

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understanding of time value, you
know, these these concepts

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that's kind of baked into a
Bitcoin owner, which I think is

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why it's so attractive to me is
like, okay, I get it. So it was

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really easy to, I think. Yeah, I
mean, it's a big concept for

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people. And I think unless you
really, that's why I love what

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Chiron is doing the value for
value podcast, unless you really

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pay attention to how this
feedback loops work. And I'm

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trying to come up with a great
acronym. It's basically it's ask

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its repeat. Its ask,
acknowledge, I want to call

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somebody like ours, but I
couldn't. So I kind of gave up.

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I gave up on trying to name it,
once I can name it flow better.

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You know, and it's, it's easy to
miss what is going on? Because

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the main point is, it's yes,
it's a way to, if I can just use

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the word to monetize. But that's
really incorrect because you're

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exchanging value, but it's just,
you know, it's like, it's like

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Venmo just trying to explain
something easily monetize, and

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it's a content format. And we
haven't figured it out for all

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for all podcasts, etc. I mean,
there's no there's many

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different ways of doing it. But
the acknowledgement cycle has to

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be in there. It's like Texas,
slim meat stayed overnight,

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whatever it is slim drives from
the panhandle to Austin, which I

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think is like, like 500 miles or
something. And he drives it a

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lot. Yeah. So stop off in
Fredericksburg. You know, we we

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feed his horses and we we we put
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Where does what's the big city
in the Panhandle in? Amarillo?

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Amarillo. Yes. And with the
Cadillacs with the Cadillac,

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he's up

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there. Yeah, he's up there. And
oh, yeah. And so he, you know,

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he's, he's running value for
value. And this is very

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difficult for him because he
literally is a cowboy. He grew

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up as a cowboy. As a rancher, he
rode rodeo and professionally,

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he's been around cattle and
around just farm all his life.

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But he then also got an
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and he worked in I think
telecommunications intelligence

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or something. Oh, yes. All
Austin is spooky city. And then,

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and then after he broke his
neck, he got he got into into

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food. What do you call foods,
what he calls food intelligence

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anyway, so he's not a guy that
is not in his blood to ask for

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money. That's not how it works.
But he was able to translate it

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to his own personality into a
barn raising. Oh, a barn

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raising. Yeah, everyone comes
out and pitches in. Oh, okay. So

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so he got that concept. And then
he got $1,000 donation from

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somebody, which was the largest
he's received so far and said,

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Okay, you have to acknowledge
this. Yeah, that's a lot of

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money. You got to acknowledge
it, because that also becomes

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aspirational it it sets a bar,
it's a community thing. You I

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can't explain. We need a
psychologist. It just works.

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I'm glad you mentioned
psychology, because it's so in

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this I had a long discussion
with with Tanner, he actually

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pinged me on or DM me on
Twitter. And he does this from

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time to time.

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You want to explain what what
the info the impetus was for

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this ping?

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You know, I really don't know. I
don't, I don't really talk to

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him. And we're not

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what he wasn't, wasn't it
because people were ragging on

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his post.

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I think this I think he wrote
the I think he published the

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post, roughly after we had this
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Well, you did a good job,

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evidently, but maybe I didn't do
as good jobs. But, you know, he

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thinks me every now and then
just, you know, once in a while

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and just talks about being very
vague, I think. I think he knows

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that he's, I think he knows he's
missing something. And I think

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there's a there's a mental
thing, a disconnect there

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because I think he knows him.
He's He's missing something

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because it's clearly successful.
Some and I'm speaking for him

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unjustifiably as he sees that it
is successful in certain

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situations in say, whoa, whoa,
why? Well, I think he's being

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intellectually honest. You know,
as far as his understanding of

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the concept will take him. You
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say, because I don't I don't

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I don't know. I don't I think
it's just blockage. It's just

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blockage.

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I think it is,

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I think his bucket and actually,
I prayed for Tanner this morning

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and like, help him help him see
the light. I'm not kidding. I'm

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not kidding. I am a leaky bucket
on the ship. Now. It's like, I'm

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not gonna get mad about this,
like, how can I help him see the

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light? You know, slim gets it,
he had needed a different

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paradigm.

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I think the hardest part, for a
person. Thing who thinks like,

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Tanner, as a podcast consultant
type in this kind of thing? Is

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they say,

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there's no money in consulting
value for value thing. No, you

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answered the questions. You
answered the question. There you

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go,

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is the economics, economics in
general, but also, it extends to

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podcasting. Economics is not a
math problem. It seems that way.

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Because, you know, we have to do
calculations and keep Ledger's

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and stuff

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I net. By the way, Dave is an
Austrian economist in his spare

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time. I know this for a fact.

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We, the that is the Austrian
principle is the economics is

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not a math problem. It's a
behavior problem. And when I say

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problem, I don't mean like
something negative. I just mean

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it's a it's a behavioral thing
to figure out. It's, it's why of

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Ludwig von Mises didn't talk
about math, right? Or models. He

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talked about praxeology, which
is the study of human behavior.

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If if I offer if, if I'm a
producer, and I offer this offer

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this thing or, or this sets, but
offer a thing, or this sets of

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conditions are true, then what
type of behavior is the most

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likely outcome? Right? That's
the types of questions you ask

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about economic things, you don't
ask? Well, if you know, p, you

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know, p over you know, p over y,
you know, on a on a slope of x

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equal, that's not the right
thing. So when you when you see

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somebody who's trying to
understand the FBI, and they're

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trying, they're putting it into,
well, if I have this many

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listeners, and I have this meat,
you know, and this many are

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engaged for this many episodes.
And then I can get this sort of

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CPM on this ministry. So of
course, you've already you've

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already met.

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Thank you. Thank you, we should
have been talking about this. I

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know that this is your stance
because we talked about it. I

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think outside of the show, I'm
so glad that you bring this up.

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But no matter how much, it's not
a math problem, and no matter

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how compelling you think the
math is, you can write all this

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stuff out and it can make
perfect sense. I'm telling you,

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it doesn't work that way. Ask
Michelle Obama, it does not work

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that way.

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You know, had me up until
Michelle Obama, then I kind of

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lost shows,

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shows that you think you're
gonna be successful and have a

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certain audience sizes and that
Oh, her? Yes. Both the

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aggregation in this, again,
applies to all of economics.

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aggregate numbers are only
useful after the fact.

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Yeah, it's a modeling trailing
indicator,

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it is modeling them always
fails. That's why central banks

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get it wrong. So often,
macroeconomics is smoke and

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mirrors. It's, it's not
something that you can do

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forecasting in that way. Is I
mean, really, it really all

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comes down to this. I think you
have to be I'm sorry, go ahead.

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I was I was going to say an
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cheerleader Trump. Cheerleader
Trump had a way of I believe he

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actually moved markets and paths
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incessant constant reaffirmation
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Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah. What you
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happens when the with what was
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was okay, if there's 100,000
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then the markets are gonna

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fly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And

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it's like, that's exactly what
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say. But then the thinking is,
okay. Well, if it's a bad print,

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you know, on the on the
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that the Federal Reserve will be
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easing or to go dovish,
therefore, stock market, boom.

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It's like, right, right, right.
That's all behavior. None of

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that is math. None of it at all.
In it You know, you have, it

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really all comes down to us
subject, subjective value. These

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are the these are economic laws,
subjective value, you the value

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of a thing is always determined
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individual that's acquiring it.
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of a thing you have, the less
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additional unit of that thing.
Those two principles are not

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math, their behavior. And if you
don't understand that, you'll

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never understand value for
value, because value for value

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relies on those understandings
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And it's interesting, because
what you said there, I would not

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have understood if I didn't
understand value for value,

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because value for value and
action, you know, 15 years, by

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the way, I was just thinking
podcast consultants. I'm going

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to start praying for you too,
because I have a land I guess

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it's a group. I pray for groups
come on the podcast in 2.0

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people, no agenda, nation,
people? I do. Yeah. But you

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know, Texas, slim would be
separate up, I pray for you all

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the time. Keep them alive, Lord.
Thank you. But I do I do. But

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consultants, I always kind of
like because of this problem

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that you just highlighted, like,
you know, CPMs above I think

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becoming a podcasting 2.0 value
for value consultant, where you

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in perpetuity, or in some scale
receive a split of that person's

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value block. And I'll take you
one step further. You show me

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how you teach people value for
value as a consultant, and I

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will give you an official pod
father certification as a value

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for value consultant for a sub
split of your split, obviously.

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But just 1% just one person.

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This is like Trump University.

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I don't know if it should be
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Is it's get do a bunch of stuff.
And then I'll give you I'll like

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certify you like you're also

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Yes, Dave, thanks for blowing my
cover. But seriously, I mean,

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think about why wouldn't you
consult someone help them with

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value for value, help them hone
their pitch help them with, you

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know, the reminder, like a
newsletter or some way that you

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remind people is coming, you
know, the social media as a lot

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of different things. And then
for X period, or whatever it is,

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you get put in the value block.
And of course, you get your

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value based upon how well your
client does. This is not a bad

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vocation,

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that it's actually a genius
idea. That's a really good idea.

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It's in it's just like, you're
you're trying to find an analogy

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to that to happen to something
because there's got to be stuff

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that works that way already,
right?

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No, no, no, not at all. No,
there's no analogy to this. This

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is completely new.

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All right, let me try to show
you this. Sports.

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So I don't know anything about
this. But okay, sports. Yes.

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You could have maybe the analogy
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elite level, you know, sick take
somebody like a tiger, would

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they those guys still have
trainers and coaches? Sure. And

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they pay those guys and they get
paid good money. The better they

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do, the more they get paid.

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This is my this is my mistake.
John and I are divorced. And

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I've been doing this for free
with people for a long time.

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We're idiots. Of course, we
didn't have we didn't have the

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mechanism. Now we have the
mechanism. This is this is

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really interesting. I you know,
I'm, I like this.

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I like that idea. It's a it's a
really good idea. Maybe

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Maybe you call it a value for
value coach. I mean, that's

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probably a more accurate
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But anyway, it's very it's
verifiable, that the person has

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you in their in their split, you
know? I don't know, man, that

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just kind of came to me. I'm
like, I'm seeing an exit

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strategy for myself. I get to 20
podcasts that I'm coaching

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negotiating podcast on podcast
broker in

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Nice. Shall we bring our guests
in because I feel like our

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guests can contribute very much
to today's program, which of

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course is not even a program.
It's a meeting of the board. And

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so of course, I know our guest
and I, I've seen I know his

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contributions, but I was
thinking that hold on a second.

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What exactly does this guy do
and Sounds like and I looked at

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his LinkedIn and which I put a
link to, but I'm going to read

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verbatim what Dave said. Because
I thought this kind of covered

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it all. Host of the causality
podcast owner of the engineered

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network, the developer of the
sound biter app, several

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boosting scripts, including the
cron boost, I think, has 2.0

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integrated across all of his
shows an early adopter of two

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point stuff. And he's an
Australian ladies and gentlemen,

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please say hello to John Chingy.
How's it going? Good day to you,

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sir. Early morning for you. I
guess. What is it? 730

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it is exactly. 730. Yes. So,
thanks for having me on, guys.

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It's it's a thrill to be on
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on show 100 That's kind of blown
me away. From the beginning. Oh,

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man.

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Did you bring up a present?

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I I'll just shove it down the
microphone. Hang on.

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Yeah, me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He
has that Australian radio guy

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humor. Were you in radio ever
John?

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Not not radio. Right. Not
broadcast radio? No. But my

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radio? Not exactly. I've been an
amateur radio operator for

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forever.

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Bros 20 threes, ya know, right.

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I kind of watch. What's your
calls? VK 40 Double ly.

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Fortunately, K for DWI. You'll
have to double i Yeah, you'll

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have to go back through the
archives. Unfortunately, I had a

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long long running conversation
with my significant other

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regarding putting up antennas in
my yard. And it didn't did not

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go my way. So yes, some some
things may have lapsed, but I

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have every intention of reviving
them shortly. But that's another

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story. Yeah, I

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I just I just made sure we got a
bigger yard. I haven't set

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anything up yet. But that come I
think every every Ham has that

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has that conversation. I haven't
logged into QR zed.com. So long

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as you see if you're gonna have
photos on your on your profile

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page. I'm a nerd. I'm a nerd.

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What is the big what's the big
antenna? The one that just takes

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up so much space? Is that a two
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No, that'd be more like 10
meter. I'm sorry. 40 meter or,

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God forbid, 80 meter is you have

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to stretch to use. They we used
to always the way we do a

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distress the wire between like
two trees in the backyard. It'd

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be this bit take up half the
yard.

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Yep, I used to have a G five RV,
which was a multiband dipole.

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And it was it was pretty good.
And I tried doing an inverted L

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for 160 meters because I was
truly insane. And I ended up I

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grabbed a capacitor out of an
old TV set and I was using to

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try and shoot it. Yeah, I didn't
stop to think that maybe the

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voltage there was a little high
and I had up on the webbing of

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my hand was

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gonna say like that can be like
10,000 volts or something some

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crazy. Yeah, yes, I

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have a little scar on the
webbing of my hands. So that was

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not a real ham until you've had
RF burn or something like that.

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We've We've all had that. And we
all suddenly if I feel really

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weird. It's one of those
moments. Like half a kilowatt.

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It's like, how do you? What kind
of tingly? Okay, let's unki Oh,

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okay, maybe we should look

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at what's going on here.
Something is wrong.

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Very funny. Good times.

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But anyway, I've been wanting to
have you on the show forever.

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John. Cuz I mean, you've you
went into with both feet like so

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early and just you have full on
you embrace the running with

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scissors ethos. Pretty much
right off the bat.

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I'm Brian embraced it before you
coined the phrase. Yes, you

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did. You conceptualized it, if
not quite even if you didn't

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coin it. So yeah, no, you you
started. Let's see we started

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Wii for Wii U, or one of the the
first Wii for Wii, a value tag

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podcasts. I mean, you had to
have been in the first, maybe

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five?

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Yeah, I think it was in the
first maybe 10 or so maybe does

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first doesn't. So I started I
look back, and I was when did I

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actually do my first post on it
was in December of 2020. And so

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I then just for just for the
hell of it. I look through my

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and I guess that's my position
is that I own the whole stack.

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So I like I host my own feed. I
host in air quotes. I mean, it

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goes by Cloudflare. So you know,
there's that but you know,

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anyway, so I used to go Hugo as
a static file generator, and I

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wrote all my templates and
everything. And so I kind of

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control the whole stack. So I
don't have to ask or wait for

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Lipson or

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are you an email? Are you an
emacs guy?

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Oh, come on,

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but but I don't like VI and I
much prefer nano but this may

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Yes. Sorry. No,

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you have to win. You have to
understand that I grew up in

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Marvel of these guys who would
just be their fingers are flying

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and I'm just looking at the
screen and like, this is like

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magic. And I spent years
dropping it picking it up

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picking it up. And by the time I
finally got a little proficient

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everyone's like glad nano bitch.

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Well, I will have to say, John,
I saw a interview with John

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Carmack recently. And he is
using Visual Studio so I don't

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was and he was recently asked
about like the Emacs and he's

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like, he's like I tried it. I
just can't get into it. I'm fine

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with the you know, with being a
Frou Frou Adiga not? I do not

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need that in my life. Okay, I
don't need RC files in my life.

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So are you doing video? That's
because you were fine.

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Yeah, I did. Okay, you know,
like, like, I have too many

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podcasts I've done, I started a
lot of them, right, you know.

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And so I tried the same thing
with video. And I thought, hey,

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I could do a video podcast and
do value for value on that as

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well. And so earlier this year,
it was actually over the

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Christmas break, I had the
brainwave for inspiration. And I

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did this little spin off, I
guess you could call it a

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pragmatic called pragmatic
electric. And there are a whole

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bunch of very short, like, three
to eight minute long videos,

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post them on the website, put
them up with a with a video

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enclosure in the feed, and all
the vapor value stuff and such.

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And I also put them up on my
YouTube channel. But of course,

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you know, that wasn't really the
intent I wanted to set. So I

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test the waters and it got some,
you know, downloads I guess, but

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really wasn't all that popular.
So I haven't got back to

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unlimited five episodes and left
it there. So I might come back

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to it.

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You have podcast debris is?

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Yes. So I had a I had a look
through my XML file and I looked

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at all the different tags I've
added and actually you surprised

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myself. So just to list them
out. I've added locked Funding

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Value good social trailer
license, medium chapter

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soundbite images, location,
transcript and person. Nice. As

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always, yeah, because why not?
Right. Yeah. Because I've been

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podcasting since 2012. Ish.
Although my first efforts were

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terrible. That's okay. I've
gotten better with age. Anyway,

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I'd like to I'd like to think
so. And when I came across

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podcasting, two point I was
racking my brain is how did I

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come across this? I just came
across it somehow on the

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fediverse. I don't know how I'm
just glad. It was about I joined

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about episode six. And then I
listened to the back catalogue.

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And I've kept up with every week
ever since. And I'm like, Oh,

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that's a great idea. I could add
that. Oh, that's a great idea. I

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can add that. And I just, you
know, yeah, it just kind of

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snowballed. And yeah, there you
go.

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When you don't have customers,
and you can you own the whole

439
00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:50,790
stack. It's so free. That's do
whatever you want.

440
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,560
That was always our business
plan.

441
00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:54,960
Yeah, don't have any customer.
No customers.

442
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:57,000
They don't pay us. They're not
really customers.

443
00:27:57,420 --> 00:28:03,990
That's right. So what is your so
we were talking before you

444
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,640
entered the border and what what
is your, on the vif on the value

445
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,390
for value thing? Like? You
integrate it into your show?

446
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,900
Your show is your show is
different. It's it's unique.

447
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,160
And, like, how do you I don't I
don't want to open ask an open

448
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,740
ended question like how do you
conceptualize V for V is more

449
00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:30,180
like, I'm trying to understand
what how you how you determine

450
00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:34,380
how that you're going to put it
into the pitch or make it part

451
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,960
of your show? Because I like, I
like how you do it. I mean, you

452
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,980
know, I'm a big fan of your
stuff. But what how do you as a

453
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:46,320
host want. Let me step back for
a second. One reason I'm really

454
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,770
wanting to have you on the show
is because you're technical, but

455
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:55,950
you're also a podcast host. And
you're a podcaster. And we don't

456
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:59,130
we don't really hear we don't
have podcasters on the show very

457
00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:03,510
often, that we have really more
more deep technical, like

458
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:09,360
coders. And since you're both
inhale, it's it's nice to hear

459
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,300
what your perspective is from a
podcaster side of things of

460
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,470
value for value instead of just
on the technical side.

461
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:24,030
Okay. Well, I guess the thing is
that I I never thought of it or

462
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:28,620
saw it as value for value by
name necessarily, but it's

463
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:33,090
something that I know that there
has been referred to that way a

464
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,510
lot by you guys. And Adam, of
course, historically, it's

465
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:40,560
something that's sort of become
a an ethos of sorts, I guess.

466
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,640
But the point is that, prior to
me integrating all this stuff, I

467
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,120
did have sort of loose feedback
mechanisms, I guess you could

468
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,180
say and like if you want to
support Shokan suppose on

469
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:56,370
Patreon, I started a Patreon in
2015. When I launched the

470
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,340
engineer network, as a concept,
I guess you could call it more

471
00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:03,000
than anything And when I did
that, I said, Look, I'll give

472
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,090
you guys like anyone who's a
platinum sorry, hang on not

473
00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:09,540
platinum, silver producer. And
above all, they will get

474
00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:12,750
acknowledgment like so I thank
them every episode that sort of

475
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:15,960
like an acknowledgement, the
acknowledgement component of the

476
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:20,970
vase value. And it when when
this VI vi came along, I hadn't

477
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,840
really come across Bitcoin, I
mean, I knew what it was, I just

478
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,140
didn't dig into it. And you guys
inspired me to dig into it. So I

479
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,920
built my node and, and I started
to realize that what I was doing

480
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:36,360
for the longest time was kind of
a very loose, slow, very

481
00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:41,070
platform dependents. Kind of
value for value thing. Because

482
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:44,340
if I'm, if I'm going through
Patreon, and Patreon decide, oh,

483
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,500
you know what, John, we don't
like what you said on this

484
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,020
episode, because let's say I do
an episode of causality. And

485
00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:52,620
it's about, I don't know Exxon
Mobil, or I don't know. And it's

486
00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,980
critical of them. And they say,
oh, you know, we don't like this

487
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:59,580
guy. And we're just going to D
platformed. me off of Patreon.

488
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,250
I've lost all of my patrons, and
I've lost a decent chunk of my

489
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,520
income. So when I saw value for
value, and I thought about, I'm

490
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,910
like, Well, you know what, this
would basically sidestep that

491
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,270
issue completely, because it
would be almost impossible. I

492
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:14,160
say, almost impossible.
Anything's possible if you're

493
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,010
really motivated, but far more
difficult, which is why I like

494
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:19,080
it when Adam says it's
censorship resistant, is

495
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,560
resistant, yes, non immune, but
definitely resistant to those

496
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,110
sorts of deep platforming
attempts. And when I brought it

497
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:28,230
on, I just found it was a
natural fit, just to simply

498
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:31,470
extend that and so I'm, for
example, now, Dave, you started

499
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:35,640
supporting causality through
repeating cron boosts. And by

500
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,860
the way, thank you for that
script inspired me to write my

501
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,480
domain, we're using our G RPC.
But the, the idea is that now

502
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,940
I've added you as well, because
I have a script that then looks

503
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,040
for that and says, yep, that's
the monthly There you go. And I

504
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200
add that to every show read now.
And that's the feedback

505
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,590
mechanism. So okay, I don't know
if that answered the question or

506
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:56,460
not. But I see. It fitted nicely
to be honest with what I was

507
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,050
doing, and it's just made it
better.

508
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,910
So was it was the prime
motivator there? Because I'm,

509
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,090
there's two parts to the value
for value, was the prime

510
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:10,350
motivator, the censorship
resistance? Or do you also see a

511
00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:14,160
benefit to not structuring
levels for people and leaving it

512
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,030
free and open?

513
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:22,380
I do like that as well. I guess
I so I saw, okay, it's a really

514
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:26,220
good question. I have multiple
tiers in my Patreon. And I did

515
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:28,410
that so that people could feel
like they could support at any

516
00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:30,690
level that they felt. But the
problem is that they're still

517
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:34,440
predefined levels. And
ultimately, you can't tell

518
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,090
someone what something's worth,
which is what you've just talked

519
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:39,390
about before. And so the value
of it also gives people the

520
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:42,960
complete, ultimate flexibility
to contribute whatever they want

521
00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:46,440
on an infinitely granular scale,
which is brilliant. And you

522
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
can't really do that, because
you can't have an infinite

523
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800
number of tears and Patreon. But
you can with a devalue, so to

524
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,100
speak.

525
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:58,500
Yeah, that's one of the things
that we're talking about in, in

526
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,950
this conversation that I had
with the, with Tanner was that,

527
00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:07,980
you, you it's about eliminating
the floor and the ceiling. It

528
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:13,110
really is like, when you I don't
think this is hard for people to

529
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:18,570
I think get their head around is
that when you have a set price

530
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:23,880
on something, it's not like,
there's an illusion of control,

531
00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:27,630
where you can say, where you
say, Well, I'm extracting this

532
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:31,380
value from the from the
listener, or from the, you know,

533
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:36,000
consumer would or whatever. But
this really doesn't work like

534
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,400
that. Because if the price isn't
right, they just won't buy it.

535
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:43,740
And so, like it within the
market, that's, that goes back

536
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:46,920
to the marginal utility aspect.
And that, that I think, is part

537
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:50,820
the subjective value part of it,
I think is easy to understand

538
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:56,760
them where the listener assigns
the value, the marginal utility

539
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,390
part is harder to understand, I
think, you know, in the concept

540
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:06,270
there for people that don't know
that term is that when you ask

541
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:10,080
yourself the question, not why
would you buy something? But why

542
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,500
would you keep buying? Why would
you keep buying more of a thing?

543
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:17,340
So something like, let's just
say that you have, you go to the

544
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:24,330
grocery store, and the hot dogs
are on sale, and you buy in

545
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:28,920
there on sale for half price? So
instead of buying one pack of

546
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,670
hot dogs like you normally would
you buy two? The question is why

547
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:37,830
wouldn't you buy three or four?
Or five? Like why would you stop

548
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:41,130
buying them if they're a really
good price? And the answer is

549
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:47,100
because every time with every
additional pack that you buy

550
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,710
every additional unit, your your
value, your your perceived value

551
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:56,880
of that thing, or your value you
place on every additional unit

552
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,130
goes down. That's the marginal
utility and In the the fact that

553
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:06,270
there's 4 million podcasts out
there, there's always something

554
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,470
this, there's always something
you can listen to next, there's

555
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:17,370
no lack of content. So how do
you get your listener to not

556
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:23,220
only value your content, but see
it as unique as something that

557
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:28,470
is, it's not just another pack
of hot dogs in that's, that's

558
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:34,050
where removing all the barriers,
removing this sort of artificial

559
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:41,130
ceiling and artificial floor pre
creates a range, this huge

560
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:47,160
window, where any perceived
value can be rewarded, not just

561
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,000
predefined levels where you say,
okay, in order to get, you know,

562
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,330
in order to show me value, give
me value back, you have to hit

563
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:57,360
this threshold or this other
threshold, which are arbitrary,

564
00:35:57,510 --> 00:36:02,100
you, you remove the barriers,
and then you show the listener,

565
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:07,770
the uniqueness and the value
proposition that you have. I

566
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:13,170
think that's probably the harder
part to understand. But when you

567
00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:18,120
when, like, when you do like the
cron job, here's here's the way

568
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,930
I saw that when I wrote that
thing, and started sending out

569
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:27,360
cron job boost. I was a hand
Magic Mouse with you. I love

570
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,670
causality. It's one of my
favorite podcasts is moment on

571
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:35,280
top three. And I was afraid that
you would stop. I was afraid

572
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,600
that if I don't support John,
because they because I know that

573
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,720
you Your show is very unique, it
gives gives information that I

574
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,210
can't get anywhere else from an
expert in the field. And also,

575
00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:54,690
that it takes a long time and a
lot of prep. I mean, it takes

576
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:57,450
you I don't know how many hours
to prep in an episode of

577
00:36:57,450 --> 00:37:00,690
causality, but it's clearly a
lot. And I'm like, You know

578
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:04,650
what, this will burn somebody
out. If I don't reward him, he

579
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:08,010
may stop doing it at some point.
And the longer it goes, the

580
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,890
reward is actually going to go
up, because I'll get more afraid

581
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:11,430
of that.

582
00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:16,560
Yeah, it's yeah, I look, I
really do appreciate it. And I

583
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,440
appreciate I'm grateful that I
have people that are fans of, of

584
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:27,060
causality, you know, as much as
you are. I hear what you're

585
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:31,380
saying and the situation with
why would I give what I stopped

586
00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:34,110
doing or what I get burned out?
The truth is, I already had kind

587
00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:37,740
of had that burnout moment back
in early 2015. And I actually

588
00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:41,400
stopped podcasting for nearly
six months. And because I used

589
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,610
to do pragmatic every week and
ice do similar at similar levels

590
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:48,030
of prep, my record was 40 hours
of prep for an episode. And I

591
00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:50,880
was doing a day job and I had
young kids. And it was it was

592
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,460
not a good situation. So I had
to just sort of like take a

593
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:57,060
pause. So the cadence I've tried
to go for is every month and

594
00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,030
doing a monthly show, because
weekly at that level of detail

595
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,060
that like the level of quality I
want to have in my in my shows,

596
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,810
I need to put that time in. I
feel like I need to I sorry, I

597
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:11,730
can't not do it. So but yeah, I
mean, and the great thing about

598
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,750
the way that they value has been
set up with booster grams and

599
00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:19,080
streaming sets. And now we've
got, you know, cron boosting,

600
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,060
for example, for regular
repeated boosting is you've got

601
00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,630
the ultimate flexibility you can
choose how to support your shows

602
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:27,210
the way that you want to. And I
think that that is something

603
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,920
that is just not available
anywhere else.

604
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:36,540
Oh, man, I love listening to you
nerds. I wanted to throw

605
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,420
something on the table that kind
of hit me it's really simple.

606
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:44,700
And I think kind of came
bubbling up for me during our

607
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:50,010
time in Dallas. Like wow, we
need more people developing apps

608
00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:54,750
and we need to somehow
communicate that they're there.

609
00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,210
This is the hard part. I believe
there's a market for some other

610
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:04,410
podcast listening experiences.
And one that comes to mind is

611
00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:08,430
what I'm calling the OMA app.
And if you speak old Texan,

612
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:13,590
German Texan, OMA is the
grandma. And and it's an when I

613
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:18,270
envision this because I see it
all the time on on TV. It's like

614
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,630
look at this phone. It has huge
buttons and has a really loud

615
00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:25,770
speakerphone. Like the
jitterbug. Yes. Yeah. Like that,

616
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:29,910
like the jitterbug. Okay.
There's a significant audience

617
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:35,310
that is just struggling a little
bit. Because it's still just a

618
00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:39,660
little bit too. Most of the
screens are busy, there's clips

619
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:42,660
and there's all kinds of
features. I'm talking something

620
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:48,810
really, really simple. Yeah,
like, just simpler than anything

621
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:52,110
we have. I just feels like
there's there's a market there.

622
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,960
And I kind of know this because
there's there's people who are

623
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,230
60 and up there trying to, you
know, they listen to a Korean

624
00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:02,550
zookeeper which is surprising it
DNS turns out, and they're

625
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:05,850
really struggling in the trial.
And as I can see, it's just

626
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:10,140
there's just too many options
too many triple button, you

627
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:15,630
know, triple dot menus that are
hidden. It's just not a normal

628
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:19,020
discovery mode for I think, a
very large group.

629
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:24,990
What? what's your what's your
daily driver podcast app? John,

630
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:26,790
to put you on the spot?

631
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,710
Well, I actually have two now.
So Brian to podcasting 2.0 I

632
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:36,180
used overcast. But since
podcasting 2.0 apps have

633
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:40,380
essentially matured and support
the whole value of anything I

634
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:44,370
now run to so anything it's a as
a streaming value app, I play

635
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:47,040
through cost thematic, and
anything else that isn't goes

636
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,150
through overcast because yeah, I
just, yeah, just thematic.

637
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:57,090
Yeah, I'm the same way a go up
pretty much live in cast ematic.

638
00:40:57,090 --> 00:41:01,350
And then I bounce over to
overcast when I need to. And I

639
00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:05,670
think I think what I like about
caster Matic may be what you're

640
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:15,690
talking about Adam. It's the the
touch points. And a real big in

641
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:19,140
its it just feels less cluttered
and busy.

642
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:22,710
Crap. Yeah, this is the one I
really don't use because I'm no

643
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:26,730
longer I have no longer have
apple in my life project at

644
00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:32,190
Apple for my life. Interesting,
okay, that I can dig one up

645
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,010
somewhere and check it out. But
besides that, I just feel that

646
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:38,760
there. It's unexplored. I don't
want people to get caught. I

647
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,450
don't want to be bashful about
you know, some other crazy idea

648
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,580
you might have, particularly as
we're gonna hopefully talk about

649
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:48,330
music.

650
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,240
Yeah. I'm gonna make you want to
talk about that. Let's go. Let's

651
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,890
go for it. Have you had some
ideas this week? And I talked to

652
00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:05,190
the dystopia guys, last week,
and I feel like we have a lot of

653
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:11,730
I feel like we have a lot of
routes to music in. I'm not sure

654
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:13,740
how to make it go faster.

655
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:17,130
Yeah, this is what I've thought
about. Okay. So first of all, we

656
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:22,620
have as far as I know, one app
that has a music interface,

657
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:25,710
curio caster, I don't know if
there's any other and I also

658
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:30,300
don't, I think this should be a
separate app. You know, Spotify

659
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,870
is having a hard time putting
podcasting into music. Why would

660
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,000
music into podcasting be any any
easier? That's just me. I'm not

661
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,870
a developer. So I'm just laying
out what I think would work for

662
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:49,620
a really didn't hit me until I
realized how big how over

663
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:56,610
capitalized and what a shit
show. SoundCloud is, man, you

664
00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:58,200
gotta look at the you gotta look
at him we

665
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,930
keep talking about they're like
corporate structure was messy or

666
00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:05,910
something. Oh, my God, this so
much. So much money has gone

667
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:08,940
into this. And of course, what
happened is he had let me just

668
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:18,420
look it up for you. SoundCloud,
Spotify, it is perhaps one of

669
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:24,960
the largest collections of music
in the world. But as it was,

670
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:33,180
it's been completely mismanaged.
As I said, over capitalize, it

671
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:36,570
just listened to it's like, so
many so much money went to this

672
00:43:36,570 --> 00:43:42,480
hundreds of millions of dollars.
And it was got huge. When it got

673
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,450
really big. When not then the
record labels they tried to get

674
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:49,980
in, they bought another 75
million here 75 million their

675
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:55,260
purchase, but not now. It's just
a thing that just sit there sits

676
00:43:55,260 --> 00:44:00,180
there. And it's kind of has no
future here, but what they have

677
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:07,470
is RSS feeds with enclosures. So
here's this thing. And shoot, I

678
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:11,640
just close it. If you look at
the stats of how many artists

679
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,190
and I mean, it's kind of like
everybody, I think every artist

680
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:18,210
still has one or they still
upload their. You know what I

681
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:19,980
mean? It's like one of those
things. You still have one,

682
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:20,520
don't you?

683
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:24,840
Yeah, it's like it's like a,
it's like a MySpace account or

684
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,560
so. Exactly.

685
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,980
Exactly. But you know how it
works, you know how to upload

686
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:33,990
it. So if someone wants to 2.0
enable their music, and this is

687
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,370
hundreds of millions of artists.
It's crazy how many people on

688
00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:42,690
this thing. If they haven't
already. In their settings, they

689
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:48,630
have to enable RSS feed, enable
the RSS feed. And then the next

690
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:52,890
step would be an onboarding
similar to podcast or wallet

691
00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:55,650
except two things have to
happen. And this is what I

692
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:59,970
wanted to discuss because, you
know it's a shim, but unlike

693
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,830
Like, when we started with
podcasting 2.0, you know, the

694
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,260
hosting companies, they had the
RSS feed, they had the

695
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:11,160
enclosures, we put the shim in
the value the value block shim

696
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,600
into the into the index. If we
can add a shim, that when

697
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,300
someone claims their, their
music wallet, that then we flip

698
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,780
the bit on the medium tag to
music, so every app now can

699
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:30,630
recognize Okay, and then
hopefully, that would drive if

700
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:35,160
not SoundCloud itself, other
places like this topia and other

701
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,910
music sites to start generating
2.0 compatible feeds with the

702
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,410
medium tags set to music, and
then then I think we're off to

703
00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:48,300
the races. Then how hard is it
for when amp to implement some

704
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,310
of this stuff? You know, I was
like, Come on people, let's get

705
00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:51,600
some energy into this shit.

706
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:55,710
Well, the the problem, the only
problem?

707
00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:59,370
The only issue is why there's
two of us. Yes.

708
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,230
The only the only issue is that
there would have to be some sort

709
00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,560
of you can't assume that
everything on SoundCloud has

710
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,830
music, because it's not. So the
SoundCloud can be anything. I

711
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:19,200
mean, there's lots of spoken
word podcasts that are on

712
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,070
SoundCloud. Just

713
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:28,230
then you can say, you can say it
does. Does your feed contain

714
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:32,610
music tracks? And then you I
mean, yeah, you obviously you

715
00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:35,490
make it a choice? Because yes,
some people actually use that as

716
00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:39,210
a podcasting platform. They have
entire instructions on how to

717
00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:44,070
get your SoundCloud podcast into
iTunes. So I think we if we hand

718
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:50,310
them that one extra bit at their
responsibility, of course, then

719
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:53,790
we can start developing music
apps or start integrating music

720
00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:55,620
apps from from the index.

721
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,620
What would that look like? So
that would that look like on

722
00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,440
onboarding them in the same way?
There's like a podcast or

723
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,010
wallet? Yeah,

724
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,340
exactly the same way could it
could be an app itself, we just

725
00:47:05,370 --> 00:47:09,690
like, like fountain does it
interacting with us? And then

726
00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:12,450
you say, and then there's just
this extra question that says,

727
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,250
Is this a music podcast?

728
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:20,670
Yeah, and explain it. You know,
this means each each. Each entry

729
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:23,340
in your, in your feed is a music
track.

730
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:28,440
Okay. There's something out
there. There's also something

731
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720
out there that can, by the

732
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,410
way, why don't we put that into
input into podcaster wallet to

733
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,620
just add that right in there? If
someone has a podcast that using

734
00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:41,490
a podcast host and they want to
flip the bit to to music? Give

735
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,510
them that opportunity?

736
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:46,080
Okay, yeah, so you're saying
leave it, almost like leave

737
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,330
everything the same? And then
just say,

738
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:53,040
under the hood, yeah. But we
need a different hood. We if we

739
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,330
go down the road of now you can
do music and podcasts is it's

740
00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:59,700
not a good story. I don't
believe that's the way to go. I

741
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,650
think we need fresh ideas, fresh
music, music players, music

742
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:07,800
apps. Don't try to confuse the
two don't make it podcast or

743
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,420
wallet now also for music. Drive
everyone towards the music

744
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:15,120
stuff. It's the same thing on
the back end. It's just you

745
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,920
understand what I'm saying? If
we're gonna do music, it has to

746
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:27,240
be it has to be kind of divorced
from podcast. For it for people

747
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:28,080
to understand.

748
00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:31,950
There needs to be a different
app. Yeah, well, different

749
00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:39,810
apps, but also a different way
to to claim your wallet is just

750
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:43,470
a different music to point out
whatever whatever we call it

751
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:44,670
music wallet.

752
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,450
As musicians wallet. Yeah, it's

753
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:51,810
doing the same thing underneath.
Yeah, with a split editor so

754
00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:56,700
that they can put their writer
composer musicians who played

755
00:48:56,730 --> 00:49:01,890
etc. Yeah, it'll need
explaining. It'll need writing.

756
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,660
None of which we're good at.

757
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,430
Speak for yourself. We're great.
I'm great at it.

758
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:12,930
No, no, your job is to build
terrible Your job is to build

759
00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:14,820
snazzy UI. That's your jobs.

760
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:21,540
Yes. It makes you well then
well,

761
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:24,810
wow factor that UI wow factor.

762
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,150
There's like 140,000 Spotlight
just posted. There's like

763
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:35,400
140,000 SoundCloud feeds in the
index. That's, that's a large

764
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,830
corpus of the material to

765
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:41,580
that would be pretty good. Now.
Now if we can reach out to those

766
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:45,300
people or, you know, once we
need an app, someone needs to, I

767
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,550
mean, I think Steven B is
working on something dedicated.

768
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
It can be a web app, you know,
as long as we get started with

769
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,690
something, this is what we saw.
We saw podcasting 2.0 and all

770
00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:02,370
its glory really start to take
off Very early on, actually. And

771
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:07,140
we had Martin from pod friend,
he gave it a try, and it just

772
00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:11,220
didn't work. And it's very hard
to build an RSS feed generated,

773
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:16,950
particularly one that imports an
existing feed. And Steven B, he

774
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:18,480
fucking grinded through it.

775
00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:21,900
And then he went through all the
terrible parts and got to a

776
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:22,980
finished product peak.

777
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:26,730
And he got he got out the other
end. And he's got some scrapes

778
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:31,260
and bruises smells a little
funky. But but it's it's that I

779
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:34,290
think once we could create our
once we were eating our own dog

780
00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:38,190
food on the on this show in
particular, then it really

781
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:40,380
started to work, it really
started to sing. And once

782
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,040
anybody could just check out a
feed and mess with it and create

783
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,610
a pirated, feed and put chapters
in it and upload it to anchor.

784
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,390
You know, that's when stuff, I
think that's really when stuff

785
00:50:51,390 --> 00:50:55,860
took off. So to have just as
easy conversion for SoundCloud.

786
00:50:56,490 --> 00:50:59,850
And then moving forward, I can
see hosting companies doing

787
00:50:59,850 --> 00:51:03,420
this, it'll be this, it'll be
the same path. But this is this

788
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,480
is the way forward for a lot of
this stuff. And I think people

789
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,600
are just now starting to see
we're really at the cusp. I

790
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,090
thought we were not we're really
at the beginning of this if

791
00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:12,990
people getting it.

792
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:19,080
So the SoundCloud thing is is
there. Do they on their side, go

793
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,410
through the process of making
sure that it's not copyrighted

794
00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:25,080
content? And yeah, they do all
that work. Yes,

795
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,220
this is the beauty of it. That
is the beauty as a police it,

796
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,920
you know, but they also have
licenses and they have licenses,

797
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,820
I think, where you can add stuff
to your mix your hip hop mix, or

798
00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:39,330
your samples that you put in.
And that's, that's what's so

799
00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:42,240
great about it. And they already
went through all the I remember

800
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,420
this too, they went through all
the hassle of setting up the

801
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:49,140
somewhere I even I was
interviewed, I think for the New

802
00:51:49,140 --> 00:51:52,620
York Times, I said this is
great. This is great what

803
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:54,660
they're doing. And then you
know, I don't know what

804
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:58,170
happened, but it was didn't get
bought, get bought resold

805
00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:01,890
refinance is a shitshow. But
it's sitting there as this big

806
00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,840
behemoth just waiting to be
tapped 140,000 feeds man, if all

807
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,740
people had to do is just claim
their wallet and and say yeah,

808
00:52:10,770 --> 00:52:15,270
music boom, you got a pretty
good, a pretty good base there.

809
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,190
And musicians, they inherently
understand value for value, I

810
00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:20,700
think.

811
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:24,690
On a certain level there used to
there used

812
00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:26,370
to be a core. So yes, this is

813
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,170
as all artists are, in some way.

814
00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:35,160
So I'll just keep revisiting
this. Because until someone does

815
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:41,700
I know we have what maybe you
have a 3030 feeds in there that

816
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,070
have medium equals music set.

817
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,450
Yes, not a lot. So once that
goes up is a good, it's a

818
00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:52,110
sandbox. I mean, we it's enough
to work with that to say thank

819
00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:58,380
you, you know, I think this can
be I think there may be a chance

820
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:02,370
to automate this. And I mean, to
a certain extent that I don't

821
00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:04,650
mean I don't mean getting I
don't mean going crazy with it.

822
00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:07,770
No but snip snip as you get.
I'll be Flippity flop flop.

823
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:11,190
Yeah, that's exactly what I was
thinking flippety flip flip

824
00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:13,860
snip, like there's your lb
Flippity flop flop.

825
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:25,830
So there's gotta be a way to to
look at the sound file, the look

826
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:30,780
at a sound file and say, Okay,
this is spoken word. This is

827
00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:33,900
music. I mean, the waveforms are
completely different, right?

828
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:35,880
There's got to be a way to
automate that.

829
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:40,740
Yeah, but why not just do it.
Just having it work is missing

830
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,080
the point. If we don't have
someone getting in there,

831
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,580
getting into a wallet and
setting that up and starting to

832
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:51,090
see the beauty of plays coming
in, then I think we

833
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,270
I get you on that point. I'm
just saying that like if

834
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:59,820
somebody to take if you can
onboard a person, and then they

835
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:03,180
don't have to make a decision.
Like you don't have to go

836
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:06,540
through the process of
explaining is this mute? Is this

837
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:09,780
music and when I say Music What
I mean is Is it a music? Is it a

838
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,110
show that has music as tracks
instead of a show about music?

839
00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:14,970
You don't have to go through all
that stuff. It's just like boom,

840
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:17,070
boom, boom, no, or whatever. You
know, I

841
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:19,590
disagree. We need to turn it
around. We need to we need to

842
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:27,600
put that up front. This is for
music tracks. Yeah. That's it

843
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,800
don't ask convoluted questions
don't this is from music tracks.

844
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:37,110
Okay, here's here's a better
intro better explanation. It's

845
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:37,560
basically

846
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,650
it's just it's just a it's like
a button you have to press after

847
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:44,640
you've already asked to come in.
Okay. I mean, it's you don't you

848
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,610
don't need to explain at all if
you're coming from SoundCloud

849
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:48,960
just ordered for this.

850
00:54:50,010 --> 00:54:52,260
It's already down this hill. So
what Yeah,

851
00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:52,830
clearly.

852
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:59,310
What I say what I'm trying to
say is can Could you could you

853
00:54:59,670 --> 00:55:04,140
like To double check them or
something and say you onboard

854
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:08,730
them and you're like, this music
pod, wallet something.com or

855
00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:12,390
something, you bring them you
bring a person in, and then it

856
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:17,610
says, or podcast or wallet
itself says, Oh, hey, this these

857
00:55:17,610 --> 00:55:20,490
tracks looks like music. Is this
a music podcast?

858
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:25,170
Oh, okay. Oh my god, where did
you go to Silicon Valley on your

859
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:29,910
way back from Dallas? Did you
stop off at the at the Frou Frou

860
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:30,480
farm?

861
00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:35,850
Yeah. Okay, I get understand
that you're now insulting me

862
00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:38,760
because I insulted you by
calling Trump University. So

863
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,980
here's what I'm trying to say.
Okay. In order I believe I could

864
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,970
be wrong in order for this to be
successful. This needs to be

865
00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:55,500
divorced, not technically, not
developmentally, but but

866
00:55:55,500 --> 00:56:00,150
musician and listener wise, has
to be divorced even from the

867
00:56:00,150 --> 00:56:05,370
word podcast. Yeah, it's not a
part of the podcast index. It is

868
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,690
under the hood. But it's it's,
you know, value for value eyes,

869
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:16,890
your music already on
soundcloud.com? Oh, okay. What

870
00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:21,030
do I do? You get this wallet
over here. Okay. And now, how do

871
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:24,000
I prove that this is me? And you
know, we have to see if they

872
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,670
have owner emails. I don't know.
I haven't even looked that far.

873
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:31,470
And then good to go. Yes. One
last step. Make sure that this

874
00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:35,670
is only music tracks, yes, click
boom done. You're working. It

875
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:42,150
has to be if we if we roll it in
to podcasting, and podcasting

876
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:46,920
2.0 I think it's a mistake. It
doesn't mean that I see these

877
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,400
coming together later in my
grand scheme, where I can play

878
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,140
music on my podcast, and put a
portion of that into my value

879
00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:57,540
split to pay. The artist is
going to come back together.

880
00:56:57,570 --> 00:56:58,770
That's the vision I see.

881
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,570
Yep, I agree. I've just been
sitting and thinking about this

882
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:05,310
on the side as you've been
describing. No, I'm sorry.

883
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:09,810
We had a guest. Yes. Oh, Hi,
there. I'm sorry. I'm passionate

884
00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:10,470
about this.

885
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,310
Oh, no, I love it. It's all
good. I mean, this is just a

886
00:57:14,310 --> 00:57:16,920
paraphrase. There's two gaps.
The first gap is how do you

887
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,120
enable any musician to get a
musician wallet on any hosting

888
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,970
platform that start with
SoundCloud, as easy as possible,

889
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,490
we have a shim for that we reuse
it, but we have to rename it.

890
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,520
And then the second one is, the
problem with the apps at the

891
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,250
moment is that they're all
podcasting focused, it would not

892
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:35,640
be too much additional work to
take an existing app that's

893
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,970
focused on podcasts and just
clone that and rebrand it and

894
00:57:38,970 --> 00:57:41,400
then focus it a little bit more
on the features you're looking

895
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,120
for out of a music app. One of
the things and if you do both of

896
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,090
those things, then you enable
you close both of those gaps.

897
00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:50,490
And then that, that inspires
more musicians to give it a

898
00:57:50,490 --> 00:57:53,550
shot. And I think that that is
necessary for us. We have to

899
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:57,030
solve both problems. Before it
will really take off but without

900
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:59,940
the shim, you can't even you
they have to, you'd have to say

901
00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:02,550
them. You have to host on this
platform using these tools.

902
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,310
Otherwise, it's the only way to
get a wallet. So yeah,

903
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:06,180
absolutely agree.

904
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:09,420
It may go further than that,
though, John. And may it may go

905
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:14,190
to the point of I'm not sure
that this even is you almost

906
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:19,230
have to you have to have the app
first. Yeah. This this music app

907
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:19,470
has

908
00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:22,980
to yes, you're absolutely right.
And which is why I say we have

909
00:58:23,550 --> 00:58:27,000
you know, Steven B and curio
caster, and I think he's working

910
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
on something but I completely it
kind of has to. I mean, let's

911
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,380
let's retrace our steps. What
was the first app that came

912
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,630
online? Well, we had was the
first one that came online. Day

913
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,810
was it as opposed friend pod
friend? I'm thinking with

914
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,790
with all we had we were with
value failure with that? Yeah,

915
00:58:47,970 --> 00:58:48,660
that was wild.

916
00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:53,610
swings, of course, was the first
one. Yes, yes. Yes. So we had an

917
00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:57,330
existing system, which, well,
there's an excellent example of

918
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:00,270
something that should have
worked had all the elements, but

919
00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:03,870
it was never branded as such. It
was, well, this is something

920
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:06,660
else. This is not a podcast
later. Yeah. Yeah, it was a

921
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:10,320
channel. Yeah, exactly. So. So
that's why it was hard to make

922
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,560
that it had all the right data,
you could have rejiggered that

923
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,030
thing, and put everything upside
down and made it a podcast app.

924
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:21,000
And I think, forget about the
issues of how they manage

925
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,210
channels and wasn't really set
up to do this with

926
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:28,260
micropayments. But you're
absolutely right, someone has to

927
00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:34,080
really hunker down and get
something that is compelling.

928
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:37,800
But also, I mean, I see these,
like when HAMP, you know,

929
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,130
they're still developed that
thing. Yeah, there's great

930
00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:44,250
install base and lots of older
software that can just

931
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:47,400
completely come back to life.
Does that make sense? I didn't

932
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,840
mean to insult you, Dave. I'm
sorry. I

933
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,690
didn't know he didn't know I did
not feel that was just

934
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,820
I felt like I had to make it
clear that it's weird because

935
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:58,920
where are we going to talk about
it here who's going to be

936
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,120
working on it? Same people You

937
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:03,120
know, if I'm talking if I'm
talking like a Silicon Valley

938
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,220
douche, it's all with this.
Well, you're well, within your

939
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,340
rights to call me doesn't go
into the floor for that. I fully

940
01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:12,450
expect, I would think less of
you if you did not. I think that

941
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:16,680
the app, this is a big ask
because the apps are secure. And

942
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,460
he has to write them. Somebody
has to write a, a podcast music

943
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:29,490
app. And like, I think you could
do it. You could get a head

944
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:33,660
start on it, because there's
already open source code. That

945
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:41,670
part of the other side, and this
sort of gets back to. To John to

946
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:46,230
you as well. Is part of the
beauty of part of podcasting.

947
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:52,050
2.0 is a project is that it has
spawned so much open source

948
01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:58,650
code. So pod verse is completely
open source and go. What is the

949
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,910
any anytime podcast player is
completely open source? That's

950
01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:06,240
what is that your dog is mine
letter that your dog? Oh,

951
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,920
that's, that's my dog. Okay,
that's banjo. In the meantime,

952
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,120
player is also completely open
source is based on flutter. And

953
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:21,240
so that's what breeze used to
pull in. There's a lot of code

954
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,780
out there that could be taken
and repurposed into a podcasting

955
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:25,590
music app. And

956
01:01:25,590 --> 01:01:29,190
I'd say that the choice you'd
want to make early on is do you

957
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:33,570
just want to make a kick ass app
that understands what to do? Or

958
01:01:33,570 --> 01:01:37,740
do you want to also do the
onboarding part. And I would

959
01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:41,010
personally recommend not to do
the onboarding part just yet.

960
01:01:42,570 --> 01:01:47,370
But if I mean, I can't speak on
your behalf day, but I think we

961
01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:51,600
could certainly fork off the
podcaster wallet into something

962
01:01:51,630 --> 01:01:56,550
that then also sets the music,
the medium flat tag to music,

963
01:01:56,970 --> 01:02:00,000
that could be ready to onboard
we can test it I mean, you know,

964
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,670
we get a SoundCloud account, if
we can test it, if it works,

965
01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:06,780
then you know, we'll do our job
and hopefully someone else will

966
01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:10,200
will jump in or find somebody or
upgrade an older player. There's

967
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,240
gotta be stuff out there that
can do this.

968
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:17,640
Yeah, there's I think so. You
know, I'm never gonna we're

969
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560
never gonna write an app or
anything like that. It's just

970
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,200
not we're not No No, the only
thing we're ever gonna do we

971
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,690
need we need somebody else to do
we're going to do index the

972
01:02:24,690 --> 01:02:33,390
stuff and in in ideas and but we
need somebody else to do this.

973
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:33,720
Oh, yeah,

974
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,010
definitely. My grand vision and
it's really comes into view is

975
01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,130
if we have that part if we have
musicians understanding value

976
01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:47,730
for value 2.0 feeds the reason
the what we're missing in the

977
01:02:47,730 --> 01:02:51,900
music industry today is what the
radio industry got for free.

978
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,540
Radio doesn't yes, they pay
ASCAP BMI blanket license, you

979
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:00,690
know, it's a portion of their
revenue. That's all they pay the

980
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:03,390
not to pay artists and not to
pay record companies. It's only

981
01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:05,760
the Performing Rights
Organization. And that's how

982
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,540
music is brought to the
forefront. It's it's promoted by

983
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:12,930
people who are either part of
like a top 40 format and you're

984
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:15,840
you're you're playing what's
what's popular anyway. Or you

985
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,830
have your college radio, you
know, kind of experimental

986
01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:22,050
alternative, these are all
things that used to live within

987
01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:25,740
our culture, and that with
Spotify and, and really with

988
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:29,550
file sharing, that role went
away. And that has now been

989
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:33,360
picked up by two companies. But
the main one is tick tock. And

990
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,660
all they do is they're in you
know, they I think I'm going to,

991
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:41,370
I can't prove it, but I'm pretty
sure they make deals to promote

992
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:44,520
certain things over and over
again, but you just go ahead and

993
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,360
look every single, even you
know, like Diana Ross has to

994
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,750
have a tick tock these days, the
record companies demand it. So

995
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:55,350
we can bring that back and say,
Hey, and we can put these

996
01:03:55,350 --> 01:03:59,520
mechanisms to some degree into
verifiable stuff like I played,

997
01:03:59,610 --> 01:04:03,360
I played your song on my show to
anybody who either listens to

998
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,230
the whole show, or maybe just
that, that segment of time,

999
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160
which I could map to your value
block. I mean, these types of

1000
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,920
things will become really
possible and then we can really

1001
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,850
promote music again. Music
podcasts are non existent for

1002
01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:21,420
this very for this simple
licensing reason, which we I

1003
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:24,720
think we'll be able to solve
with some of this.

1004
01:04:25,259 --> 01:04:29,489
I can tell you, I had any
experience the other day, we

1005
01:04:29,489 --> 01:04:33,509
were in a sandwich shop. Me and
my family went Monday night to

1006
01:04:33,509 --> 01:04:37,379
little sandwich shop down the
street and ate. And they were

1007
01:04:37,919 --> 01:04:39,929
playing we were the only ones
there. They were playing some

1008
01:04:39,929 --> 01:04:44,489
music. And I was talking to tell
them listen, my wife was like,

1009
01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:46,769
you know, oh, this is your jam.
You know, this is a band she

1010
01:04:46,769 --> 01:04:50,609
liked. And then it hit me all
the sudden I'm like, Oh man, I

1011
01:04:50,609 --> 01:04:53,129
hope they're paying their
license out their pain and ask

1012
01:04:54,629 --> 01:04:57,599
because at least two other
restaurants around town recently

1013
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,109
within the past year I've gotten
hit hard. You Yeah, for play for

1014
01:05:01,109 --> 01:05:04,469
playing it over the piece and
I'm like, man, what? And it just

1015
01:05:04,469 --> 01:05:08,879
made me so aggravated like, wow,
sucks, man, the state of things

1016
01:05:08,879 --> 01:05:11,249
sucks. And if, if there was a,

1017
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,280
okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make
you happy. I'm gonna make you

1018
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,690
real happy. Sweet. Okay, so
instead of looking at your file,

1019
01:05:18,690 --> 01:05:23,100
oh, I think you meant music. So
we will get to a point where

1020
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:29,790
people are streaming value for
value music in their bar. And

1021
01:05:29,790 --> 01:05:32,130
people will be able to sit there
and go, Hey, I really liked this

1022
01:05:32,130 --> 01:05:36,690
song. Your phone will be able to
identify what song it is. And

1023
01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:37,830
then you can boost them right
away.

1024
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,080
That Silicon Valley, you said I
was went through so

1025
01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:46,620
I'm trying to see JaJuan cool.
He didn't say cool about your

1026
01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:52,650
shit. Yeah, of course, because
I'm a dreamer would be very, why

1027
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:56,130
not? But think of, can we talk
about the stats package? We saw

1028
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,860
that someone showed us, Dave.
Talk about that. I get I'm

1029
01:06:01,860 --> 01:06:06,990
sorry, man. Are we under NDA?
Anyway, we saw a value for value

1030
01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:11,550
statistics package, which showed
a timeline and showed how many

1031
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:14,760
people know what was listening
were dropped off boosts with

1032
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,690
booster grams, the whole exactly
what you'd want to see. I mean,

1033
01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,960
now just imagine if you shift
some of these ideas, and you've

1034
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,230
got that timeline. And you can
see what song was popular

1035
01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:28,740
because you know, there was more
more boost to gram or boost

1036
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,400
activity during that time is
mind boggling what we can do.

1037
01:06:32,910 --> 01:06:36,480
But we have to bring the music
in. And if you think podcasters

1038
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,270
are tedious, and they don't get
shit and try musicians.

1039
01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:45,060
Yeah, I can only imagine. But
here's here's the thing I still

1040
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:48,120
have yet to understand is do any
actual human beings work at

1041
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,530
SoundCloud? Because

1042
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,430
they probably not. Very few
think. I

1043
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:56,370
think it may just I think it may
just be on autopilot at this

1044
01:06:56,370 --> 01:07:00,300
point. I think there may be.
Yeah, yes. It's AI. It's like

1045
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:01,770
two guys. Yeah,

1046
01:07:01,919 --> 01:07:08,729
it's very possible. And it's a
big accounting office. I'll tell

1047
01:07:08,729 --> 01:07:09,179
you that. It's

1048
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,160
all accountants, it's all
accountants. There's nobody in

1049
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,590
tech anymore. And they don't
know that they're not there.

1050
01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,040
They just left. And all the
accountants think that the data

1051
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,990
guys are still there. They're

1052
01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:22,410
just little little simulators on
their mouse and keyboards that

1053
01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:23,850
makes it looks like they're
still alive.

1054
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:28,590
It's like the you know, wiggle
the mouse every now and then. I

1055
01:07:28,590 --> 01:07:32,640
think this No, I'm 100%. I'm
100% SoundCloud

1056
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,760
has evolved from a traditional
online streaming platform to an

1057
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,370
entertainment company with
premium offerings, including

1058
01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:41,940
advanced Audience Insights,
playlists, pitching tools, and

1059
01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:45,540
promotional marketing resources
for its users. SoundCloud was

1060
01:07:45,540 --> 01:07:48,870
the first streaming service to
adopt the and implement a user

1061
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:52,380
centric payment model for
artists called Fan powered

1062
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:57,900
royalties. No la fan power fan,
five, I found

1063
01:08:01,170 --> 01:08:02,190
a way to say second,

1064
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:03,420
I know I'm bad.

1065
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:09,870
The plot is, but this article
does say Did they hope to be

1066
01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:12,600
profitable in 2023? Yeah,

1067
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:17,100
good luck. So they got a Series
A was two and a half million

1068
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:21,000
euros and then somewhere down
here, SoundCloud announced in

1069
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,660
January 2014. It had commenced
licensing negotiations with

1070
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,320
major music companies to address
the matter of unauthorized

1071
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,020
copyrighted material regularly
appearing on the platform.

1072
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,800
denouncement followed a round of
funding in which 60 million was

1073
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,730
raised resulting in a $700
million valuation. So they're

1074
01:08:38,730 --> 01:08:42,090
not so they're not even a
unicorn you suckers. Let me see.

1075
01:08:43,770 --> 01:08:49,650
2017 SoundCloud announced
layoffs went wrong wrong. It had

1076
01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:54,390
to reach $170 million greement
for some bullcrap. Let's see

1077
01:08:54,390 --> 01:09:00,660
where they are now. 2021 They
announced a new pay model. Oh,

1078
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,780
that is the fan powered
royalties. Let me see.

1079
01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:06,690
I think a couple of months ago
they Annette or maybe last month

1080
01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:11,310
they announced layoffs. No, no
doubt. Well, that's where that's

1081
01:09:11,310 --> 01:09:12,630
when the rest of that team
people.

1082
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,090
Canadian electronic music
producer Vincent earnings jumped

1083
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:22,200
to $600 a month up from 120 a
month under the pooled revenue

1084
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,800
model. Hey, that's a rip off
that whole thing sucks. You can

1085
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,930
do better with value for value
than 120 bucks a month. Oh yeah.

1086
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:36,660
Oh my goodness. For sure. And
and they they've I mean, we

1087
01:09:36,660 --> 01:09:38,730
don't have to worry about
anything everything else it's

1088
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:42,150
all set. So I think we just
figured out how to entice

1089
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:44,970
people. You know what, once it's
up and running, we go into those

1090
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:48,030
wiki pedia and we just edit this
wiki pedia trust me it works.

1091
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:51,960
Put in there and podcasting 2.0
music

1092
01:09:55,620 --> 01:10:02,430
the wood. So John, I can imagine
sound biter. Yeah, for for me

1093
01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,250
for music. I mean, like, you
know, that whole idea where you

1094
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:09,180
take, you've got your catalogue,
there you go. And you'd let your

1095
01:10:09,180 --> 01:10:14,130
fans create sound bites and give
them splits. There you go for

1096
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:18,090
for snippets of music that you
can use for discovery.

1097
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:21,810
Hardly, yeah, why not? Why don't

1098
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:24,450
we solved all problems with the
world? Gentleman, this is great.

1099
01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:25,980
It's so proud.

1100
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:30,150
I just, I just want to add one
more thing, Adam to the idea of,

1101
01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:32,220
of making sure it's a music
focused app, because I was

1102
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:34,830
thinking as you're talking about
what, and I don't want to hold

1103
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:37,950
apple up necessarily as the this
is what we should all do kind of

1104
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:40,770
thing, but cast your mind back
to when everything was in

1105
01:10:40,770 --> 01:10:44,880
iTunes. And if you wanted to do
music, podcasts, you know, file

1106
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,920
transfers, absolutely.
Everything was in iTunes. And

1107
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,820
then they split it out to a
music app and a podcast app and

1108
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:54,390
an end and they separated them
all out. And the research

1109
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:58,050
suggested that people when they
want to go and do something,

1110
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,660
they want to go to the app that
is specifically tailored for

1111
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:03,630
gas, because listening to music
is subtly different from

1112
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:06,240
listening to an audio book,
which is slightly different from

1113
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,060
a podcast, like I was thinking
speed skipping, for example, you

1114
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:11,040
don't want to do that. And in
music, that's a function that

1115
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,950
doesn't make any sense. Right,
you know, is a pig's eye

1116
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:15,480
absolutely needs to be tailored?

1117
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:18,810
And actually, oh, no, totally.
And, you know, there's things

1118
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:23,370
that need to be worked on such
as, you know, chapters, that's

1119
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:28,050
now of course, covers, and it
can be include lyrics, captions,

1120
01:11:28,050 --> 01:11:33,510
or transcripts, you know, we
need to I don't know how the

1121
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:36,360
services do with getting lyrics,
but you need to be able to

1122
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:39,660
simply throw your lyrics in
somewhere and synchronize it

1123
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:41,850
with with the song I mean,
there's all kinds of stuff that

1124
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:46,290
can be worked on. But everything
is there, the namespace once we

1125
01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:51,420
the medium tag is what really
did it as genius. That is, that

1126
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:54,720
is the thing, and we've got all
the infrastructure set up

1127
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,230
everything is good to go. And
man, can we have a lot of fun

1128
01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:59,370
once we figure this out?

1129
01:11:59,670 --> 01:12:04,170
Will you take this Alex Alex for
solve this problem? Yes, a long

1130
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:08,430
time ago, and yes, it and solve
this with for no agenda tube,

1131
01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:11,820
and saw that this was also going
to be a music issue, because we

1132
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:15,210
can, you know, two years from
now or a year from now, or

1133
01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,140
whenever this happens, we can
say the we can just take this

1134
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:24,120
exact discussion and rehash it
for audiobooks. And just do

1135
01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:26,970
like, because it's going to be
the same thing. Yep. It's going

1136
01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:28,890
to be you know, audio, movies,

1137
01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:34,140
documentaries, books, you know,
we'll we'll need PDF readers, e

1138
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:38,460
readers, whatever, totally, it
works. Well. Now, when I'm not

1139
01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:44,610
when I'm unsure of is how the
Ask will work in music. You know

1140
01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:48,660
how you reward people, but I
think that's where we can.

1141
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,860
That's where groovy little
widgets like leaderboards and

1142
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:57,510
super fan posters, and that's
where it boosted grams, making

1143
01:12:57,510 --> 01:13:00,510
them public may make sense. I
mean, there's all kinds of stuff

1144
01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:03,000
has to be experimented with is
there's no there's no right or

1145
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,640
wrong way to do it. Because if
you're not getting any SATs,

1146
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,380
you're doing it the wrong way
that I do now.

1147
01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:15,570
Well, so play, play buzz cast,
clip one. I think when people

1148
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,050
are voting with their wallets,
we can see different types of

1149
01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,770
shows come up to the top.
Because all you really need is a

1150
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:26,400
small audience that really loves
your content, rather than a

1151
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,940
really large audience that is
just like, hey, being informed

1152
01:13:29,940 --> 01:13:32,700
about the news is worth 20
minutes of my day, one of the

1153
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,970
things I always keep coming back
to is if we want to avoid some

1154
01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:38,850
of the negative things that
happened with the rest of the

1155
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:41,550
internet, like because
everything was sucked into, like

1156
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:45,300
the monetization strategy for
everything was ads. YouTube is

1157
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:50,250
ads, news is ads. Everything
that we do is ads. Were trying

1158
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:52,680
to keep us on platform all the
time and give up tons of

1159
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,840
attention. So they can sell
little pieces of it to an

1160
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,200
advertiser. And we've just seen
so many ways that that goes

1161
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,300
wrong. But if we want a
different world, we have to pay

1162
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:06,600
for a different world. And we
actually have to vote for that

1163
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,140
different world. I know my three
favorite podcasts I pay for him.

1164
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:17,250
Okay. Yeah, that that's, I think
that applies as well. Sure to

1165
01:14:17,250 --> 01:14:22,410
music, because we're going to
you know, the idea here,

1166
01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:24,420
actually, we can go

1167
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,630
well, it can if I can if I can
just say one thing. Yeah, sure.

1168
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:35,730
What I love about the music idea
is that I know in my heart, I

1169
01:14:35,730 --> 01:14:41,880
will set a rate that makes the
three minute song worthwhile for

1170
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,720
the person who gave it to me.
Yep, that's exactly where that's

1171
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:49,200
that's where it gets beautiful.
I mean, I stream typically 200

1172
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,290
sets a minute to any podcast
I've listened to, and which I

1173
01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:55,680
think is a good number. But if
I'm if that's my time, like

1174
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,530
Yeah, I'm this I'm listening to
this and it adds up at the end.

1175
01:14:58,530 --> 01:15:00,480
You listen to an hour what is
that? To

1176
01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:06,120
what is that tuner sets a minute
to under time? 60? This year the

1177
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,160
engineer will we have an
engineer in the boardroom? So

1178
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,830
yeah, what can you do the math
for us there? You should add up

1179
01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:11,640
all the zeros and

1180
01:15:12,929 --> 01:15:14,009
calculate an account.

1181
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:18,120
Is it 12,000 12,000 SATs? Am I
saying it

1182
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:23,670
right? 20,000 rent? was 120,000
for an hour test, would you say

1183
01:15:23,670 --> 01:15:24,990
200 times 60?

1184
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,449
That's 12,000. I

1185
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:31,680
got my calculator 100. That was
82.

1186
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:35,700
So how much is that in in fee
and Fiat fun coupons to have

1187
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:39,210
that as about as two bucks
delivered dollars dollar? buck

1188
01:15:39,210 --> 01:15:39,570
and a half?

1189
01:15:39,570 --> 01:15:44,130
I think I need to update a bit.
But I read for music, like all

1190
01:15:44,130 --> 01:15:47,130
day long, you know, it's like
and some and some I would even

1191
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:49,860
want to set it hey, if if
something comes through on a

1192
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:53,430
playlist, and it's from this
artist or this band, automatic

1193
01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:54,390
up the SATs.

1194
01:15:54,900 --> 01:15:58,380
Okay, that's that's the part
that we don't get yet. Because

1195
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,450
I'm not trying to say that. But
what I mean is, like, there's

1196
01:16:03,450 --> 01:16:08,670
going to be experiences of ways
to pay and ways to do these

1197
01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:12,270
things that we can't envision,
of course, and so we're taught.

1198
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:18,060
So you know, you brought up what
about the pitch and how the VC

1199
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:20,550
they're very different from
music, very different, very

1200
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:23,280
different, very different. And
but but it will evolve, it'll

1201
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:23,700
happen.

1202
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,450
And here's where the where the
lit comes in. You know, some it

1203
01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:30,630
will be appropriate for some
artists or bands or some

1204
01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:35,400
performers to use the lit tag to
go live to maybe use that as

1205
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,700
fundraising or use that as a
weekly here's what I'm doing or

1206
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:42,870
progress report or whatever.
With you know, with with live

1207
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:46,650
booster grams. I mean, this is
it's a lifestyle. It's the new

1208
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:49,980
international lifestyle of value
for value, and we're living it

1209
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,710
and everyone's gonna start to
realize it's, it's a pretty good

1210
01:16:52,710 --> 01:16:56,670
way to do it. Because you can't
be Jay Z and Beyonce anymore.

1211
01:16:56,670 --> 01:17:00,390
You can't be Joe Rogan. You
can't be Megan Markel. But you

1212
01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:04,830
don't need to be. You don't need
to be number one, the charts are

1213
01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:08,100
ridiculous that it doesn't
matter. Doesn't matter? And if

1214
01:17:08,130 --> 01:17:11,250
and if, and if you're able to
get 1000 people who will only

1215
01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:14,610
use this one particular app,
then you're golden. You know

1216
01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:19,110
what I mean? It's like, do you
need to be able to survive? I

1217
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:21,060
think I told you right away,
Dave, this is gonna be a lot of

1218
01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:23,040
fun. Some of the best work we
ever done, we're not gonna make

1219
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,830
any money off this, we certainly
won't be millionaires, let alone

1220
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:28,200
billionaires. If anyone has a
billion out of this, then we did

1221
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:33,030
something very wrong. That's the
whole point is value for value.

1222
01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:41,160
Yeah. Yes, I think the I think
the streaming per minute thing.

1223
01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:46,140
That's really, we get caught up
in the booths. And they're,

1224
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:48,900
they're fun. But I think the
streaming per minute thing is

1225
01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:52,440
really where the rubber meets
the road for some of these other

1226
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,280
things like maybe audiobooks or
music. In podcasting, it works

1227
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,180
because there's a quick, there's
a real fast feedback loop. Yeah,

1228
01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:03,270
it especially if you have like a
weekly show or something like

1229
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:08,220
that. But but on music, the per
minute, and that's going to be a

1230
01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:11,730
lot of meat there. Because you
can really set you can say,

1231
01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:17,550
Okay, I'm going to budget this
much actually play buzz cast,

1232
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,510
clip three,

1233
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:20,790
clips, three,

1234
01:18:21,090 --> 01:18:24,060
but the value for value model
gives you the option to either

1235
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:27,030
stream SATs while you're
listening, like so many per

1236
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:30,660
minute, or you can just boost
and so that is every month, you

1237
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:34,560
could just deposit like $20 into
your podcast or wallet, and then

1238
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,360
you could boost it out as you're
listening to episodes. When

1239
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,070
you're out of money. You're out
of money for the month, like I'm

1240
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:40,200
not gonna refill this wallet
Until next month,

1241
01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,710
I'm gonna discipline podcasters
who was speaking?

1242
01:18:44,490 --> 01:18:47,370
That was Kevin, Kevin. Kevin,

1243
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:49,170
I want to kiss you on the lips,
man.

1244
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:56,640
That that per minute, that's a
great. It's just it's, it's not

1245
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,430
very, it's not very talked
about, I guess it's the per

1246
01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:05,370
minute side of podcasting.
Because the booths take the take

1247
01:19:05,370 --> 01:19:09,390
the limelight, that per minute
side on a music app. If I were

1248
01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:12,210
to be like, Okay, I'm going to,
I'm going to take that 10 bucks

1249
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,500
a month that I spend on Spotify
or 15 or whatever. And I'm going

1250
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:21,420
to put $15 You know, not too
into the podcast music side of

1251
01:19:21,420 --> 01:19:25,920
things and it's just always
streaming in every if, you know

1252
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,180
if everybody if that becomes the
lifestyle, then that's real

1253
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:30,600
money,

1254
01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:34,860
but I also absolutely, and I
also see, you know, like Merkle

1255
01:19:34,860 --> 01:19:39,300
tree type stuff where if I if I
turn someone on to a band, I can

1256
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:42,540
get some reward for that. I
mean, I know we can go deep on

1257
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,290
this stuff. I know it it's what
it's actually probably what they

1258
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:51,900
wanted pink to be number apples,
social network ping mean, I

1259
01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:54,180
think these these things are
possible. I just get really

1260
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:57,690
jazzed by the idea and there's
so much this. You think there

1261
01:19:57,690 --> 01:20:00,180
was pent up energy for
podcasting, waiting to see With

1262
01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:03,240
the musicians are ready to do,
and they understand kind of

1263
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,870
being, you know, they understand
asking for sure. But then once

1264
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:10,560
we have that flying man, we can
integrate it and I look out.

1265
01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:11,340
Look,

1266
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,830
what's what's your John, what is
your split with him when it

1267
01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:20,880
comes to like this versus
straight streaming says I'm

1268
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,330
imagining that your streaming is
probably higher. But that's just

1269
01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:24,990
a guess.

1270
01:20:25,950 --> 01:20:29,220
No actually I tend to do I tend
to do it the other way around, I

1271
01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:32,850
tend to do a lower average
streaming, but then I boost when

1272
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,200
at Well, I used to boost at
strategic moments versus a you

1273
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,560
know, like, oh, yeah, that's
awesome. And I didn't generally

1274
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,900
send booster grams, because when
you're in the moment, you just

1275
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:45,270
want to boost you don't want to
sit there and compose something.

1276
01:20:45,509 --> 01:20:47,879
And but I was actually talking
about your income, like your

1277
01:20:48,449 --> 01:20:50,879
pocket? Where I'm sorry,

1278
01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:52,920
I always lose when I'm in the
moment too.

1279
01:20:55,380 --> 01:20:58,920
Anyway, okay, so sorry, the
other way around it you have

1280
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:03,330
stats on this? I'm not in front
of me. No, I have held up and I

1281
01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:06,600
should probably download a CSV
and have a look for you. But I

1282
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,940
tend to get so I will get
regular boosts oddly every week?

1283
01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:16,290
I'm not sure. Anyway. So but I
do get this background

1284
01:21:16,290 --> 01:21:18,960
streaming. And the thing is, you
can tell whichever comes from

1285
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,480
based on how it's grouped
together, because different apps

1286
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:25,380
will give you a different
because they don't all stream at

1287
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:27,360
exactly the same per minute
they'll bundle it up and then

1288
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,900
send it in one hit in a
transaction. So like batching

1289
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,170
Yes, batch it. Yes. Well, the
answer the question

1290
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,410
the having an umbrella at home
and watching value for value

1291
01:21:37,410 --> 01:21:40,860
come in and then realizing that
you're getting more Satoshis per

1292
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:44,640
month and from your two s nine
mining machines says a lot.

1293
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:51,540
Yeah, says a lot. That'd be
cool. It's true. Yeah, shall we

1294
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:55,560
thank a few people because we're
just rambling on here and they

1295
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,200
want to read some Yeah, I'd like
to read some of these that came

1296
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:03,270
in some of the some of the
booster grams from our lips. We

1297
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:08,820
got everyone there in the in the
in the chat room. Okay, okay. My

1298
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:14,220
goodness is a lot that came in
100,100 Satoshis from chyron.

1299
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:18,780
Mere Mortals podcast. I've been
blessed a special number episode

1300
01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:22,620
and at a time I can join I was
actually explaining P two o at a

1301
01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:25,500
crypto meetup recently and
people really got it when I

1302
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:28,260
related how splits could be used
for musicians and app to show

1303
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:32,400
them at the same time would be
amazing. Nice. That's right.

1304
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:40,020
There's Mary Oscar blowing 100
at us. 17,776 from blueberry.

1305
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:45,510
hella hella boosts CLI pilled.
Man. Okay, that is from the

1306
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:52,170
boost CLI. Billy Bones comes in
was 233 threes and he says thank

1307
01:22:52,170 --> 01:22:54,840
you all for creating podcasts
and 2.0 You need to thank

1308
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,130
everybody including you ability
bones, D Dubs. 1010. Boost CLI

1309
01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:02,730
supports nano vi Max emacs or
whatever you have set as

1310
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:11,010
default. Yes, I will have to try
the boost CLI with Emacs. source

1311
01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:17,100
D vim for life. Okay, now we're
getting into the jihad. Eric p p

1312
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,560
at 100,100 SATs happy 100 show
thank you very much. Pay tar

1313
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:29,820
123456 1 million Satoshis.

1314
01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:34,800
Oh 20 is Blaze on am Paula happy

1315
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,790
100 Go podcast. Wow. Thank you
guys. Thank you. Thank you see

1316
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:46,890
Brooklyn 3333. Then we have Mike
Newman. And Mike comes in with

1317
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:55,410
133,333. He says I hear John
Chinggis in the lobby. He was

1318
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,770
yeah he I think he knocked over
a trash can or something people

1319
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:03,390
got his causality show is great.
And it makes sense he guest on

1320
01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:07,530
episode 100 Great use of 2.0
Cheers, John. One of my goals is

1321
01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:10,470
to implement as many tags as I
can in my little jalopy of a

1322
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:14,820
podcast that Mike Newman show.
That's Mike Newman Dutch knife

1323
01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:20,610
Mike Newman dot show. Mi ke n e
u m a n n dot show I've enjoyed

1324
01:24:20,610 --> 01:24:23,580
testing all sorts of tech this
year alone and meeting so many

1325
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:25,920
of the PC two Oh crew in Dallas
last week.

1326
01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:30,330
This was great St. Joseph Gracie
and Mike in the in Dallas.

1327
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,840
That's always what a conference
is great for. This thing is just

1328
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,290
getting started. Thanks to
y'all. I like this ship says

1329
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:43,170
Mike. Blueberries mic 100,000
Satoshis air horn air horn air

1330
01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:49,020
horn one of the first things I
asked myself beginning 2020 was

1331
01:24:49,020 --> 01:24:50,820
what the hell is RSS feed?

1332
01:24:52,890 --> 01:24:54,900
It's well you now know okay,
it's

1333
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:57,780
doomed. It's been a sick ride.
Thank you both and everyone for

1334
01:24:57,780 --> 01:25:02,430
the deep well of knowledge pew
pew MoPhO Oh there we go pew pew

1335
01:25:02,430 --> 01:25:08,040
mofos and then he has a oh he
hasn't URL here with an mp3

1336
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:08,760
file.

1337
01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:09,720
Yeah Lord

1338
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:13,260
yeah well I mean we might as
well do it this way Come on.

1339
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,920
course I'll do it what was the
oh here it was hold on does that

1340
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:23,970
name Jennifer hola que think
that was dead Jennifer. Okay

1341
01:25:23,970 --> 01:25:28,320
that was highly inappropriate
blueberry thanks 1000 from Chad

1342
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,580
F Steven B 222,220.

1343
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,830
Shot Caller 20 is blades on am
Paula Steven

1344
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:41,130
B from Kira caster says Happy
second birthday. Thank you.

1345
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,180
Thank you brother. 1000 SATs
again from blueberry. See dubs

1346
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:51,750
it's 2133 a boob from source D
Yeah 808 We got you. Then we I

1347
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:55,410
think we did this one. Sup? Sup?
Yo, sup? Yes. Time for the

1348
01:25:55,410 --> 01:26:01,680
champion the 305 that is 100,001
SATs. We have our podcast

1349
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,920
listening live during my mic
during my kids taekwondo

1350
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:10,530
practice on pod verse 8675 SATs
thank you for the upcoming

1351
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:13,500
hackathon. I'd be eager to lend
my data science visualization,

1352
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:17,220
visualization skills.
Congratulations, Episode 100.

1353
01:26:17,220 --> 01:26:20,070
And my son Darren says go
podcast podcast a

1354
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:23,370
Dodge defeat dodge the feet in
the hands. Yeah,

1355
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:28,350
then of course we got the
1,001,001 SATs from Dred Scott

1356
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:35,010
another 33,333 from Carolyn
lyceum. 100,100 Congrats to your

1357
01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:39,690
milestone 100 episodes. I am all
for the boost drive. That's

1358
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,550
That's what they call it. They
call it the boost drive. They

1359
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:44,670
were driving the boost like a
cattle drive of boosts playing

1360
01:26:44,670 --> 01:26:47,430
up into our into our ranch.

1361
01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:50,640
We had nothing to do with this.

1362
01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:54,510
It was no no this is of course
not. This is why it works. So

1363
01:26:54,510 --> 01:26:57,600
well. We had another we had
nothing to do with it. Thanks

1364
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,730
for your work and for
introducing me to the value for

1365
01:26:59,730 --> 01:27:02,220
value model. Thanks for
participating in it. Best

1366
01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:04,470
premises. Oh, this is Martin
Linda's code. There you go

1367
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:07,200
former second place fountain
leaderboard for baller boost

1368
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,250
with rands date number of
221,905 Satoshis Yeah, we'll try

1369
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:16,740
again this month game on go
podcast. And then there's

1370
01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:22,260
another Mike Newman 100,033 sets
cast dramatic boost rolling the

1371
01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:26,400
dice to see if it gets through
go podcasting? Sure did. He sent

1372
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,040
another one another one from
CAST ematic one from fountain

1373
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:40,710
also 100,033 90. And there he is
with 300,033 SATs Hello, Mike

1374
01:27:40,710 --> 01:27:44,250
Newman simply stated, The goal
here is to boost you all a

1375
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:47,970
million SATs in a few days. Now
less than an hour. This is about

1376
01:27:49,170 --> 01:27:52,680
two hours ago, before the 100th
episode completely abusing

1377
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,100
channels near and far using as
many apps and services as I can

1378
01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:59,640
to demonstrate it at a small but
essential part of what y'all

1379
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,630
have accomplished here since
episode one. Ah mazing thank you

1380
01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:06,510
for preserving, protecting and
extending podcasting for years

1381
01:28:06,510 --> 01:28:09,480
to come. Mike, thank you, man.
That is so kind.

1382
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,380
Thank you so much.

1383
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,620
Thank you. All right. I think I
got just about everybody there

1384
01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:18,990
in the in the the lit boost the
club. Thank you all so much.

1385
01:28:18,990 --> 01:28:21,030
That is this is

1386
01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:21,810
that's incredible. I

1387
01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:25,800
mean, normally having, what
DeVore Eken I would do is we

1388
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,500
pick numbers. Right? So what do
you have a number? Well, because

1389
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:32,790
people showed us the way hey,
it's Pi Day 314. Hey, it's it's

1390
01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:39,210
April 23 420. Hey, is your
birthday 58? We don't have to

1391
01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:42,720
think this. This came
organically and that's that

1392
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,980
means it's really working.

1393
01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:48,060
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of
humbling.

1394
01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:51,570
And it also just means that
people love us. Yeah, yeah.

1395
01:28:51,570 --> 01:28:52,410
Everyone loves you guys.

1396
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:56,280
You know, I feel like I really
do feel love. Very much. So

1397
01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:02,580
the, you know what, I wonder? I
wonder about, you know, the

1398
01:29:02,580 --> 01:29:07,110
different ways of different ways
of connecting, like we were

1399
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:10,320
talking earlier, about, you
know, music has sort of it gets

1400
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,810
its own thing, and it needs its
own app. And then something came

1401
01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:21,480
up this week on podcasts index
is social, about being able to,

1402
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:28,530
like present a request to the
user, so that when they follow

1403
01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:33,480
the pot, like I think the way it
was explained is if if somebody

1404
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:37,140
follows a podcast, and that
podcaster also has something

1405
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:42,120
like a newsletter, there could
be some sort of tag or something

1406
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,800
in there that would say, in the
feed that would say, Okay, I

1407
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,410
also offer this newsletter, and
then the app could could show

1408
01:29:52,410 --> 01:29:56,700
that to the, to the listener,
where they could say where they

1409
01:29:56,700 --> 01:29:59,070
could subscribe to the
newsletter, like right in the

1410
01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:59,610
app.

1411
01:30:00,359 --> 01:30:03,569
sure that that sounds like
something useful.

1412
01:30:04,409 --> 01:30:07,829
Yeah, I think they, you know,
David Norman from hypercare

1413
01:30:07,829 --> 01:30:12,209
explored some of this in the
hyper Capture App. Very early

1414
01:30:12,209 --> 01:30:15,359
on. Yeah. He remembered this
marriage between podcasting and

1415
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:21,989
newsletters. And I wonder, how
will that we could codify that.

1416
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:29,640
Here's here's the here's the
only issue. What? Maybe not,

1417
01:30:29,670 --> 01:30:33,030
it's just newsletters. I love
newsletters, but man, that

1418
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:35,280
pretty much the only thing I
would even touch these days

1419
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,640
would be substack. Everything
else seems tainted crap and no

1420
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,450
good. And I'm sure problems will
come everywhere. It's just you

1421
01:30:42,450 --> 01:30:44,730
know, there's just we don't
really have I'm not familiar

1422
01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:48,150
with all the external resources
for news newsletters.

1423
01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:52,440
I don't know it's your I don't
know, either. I said

1424
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:57,780
it's it sucks. So bad, the way
things don't arrive or filtered

1425
01:30:57,780 --> 01:31:02,040
away or put into promotions
tabs, and it's just, it's a real

1426
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:03,510
nightmare to manage.

1427
01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:06,870
And everybody wants to own your
inbox. You don't use letters or

1428
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:08,130
anything that you don't

1429
01:31:08,910 --> 01:31:14,010
actually do. But my newsletters,
yeah, yeah, I bought it as a bi

1430
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:19,680
created a year special RSS feed
that combined podcast episodes,

1431
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,110
as well as blog posts on the
engineering network. So if

1432
01:31:22,110 --> 01:31:24,000
there's anything that's new,
that's happened in the last

1433
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,540
week, it automatically sends out
to a mailing list using

1434
01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:31,620
MailChimp. But some people do
actually subscribe to it. And

1435
01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:33,840
when I heard when I was watched,
because I followed that exact

1436
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,200
thread that you're talking
about. And it's to me, it's

1437
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,360
like, well, how deep do you want
to go? How tight you want to

1438
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,420
make that integration? Yeah,
because like, right now, we have

1439
01:31:42,450 --> 01:31:45,600
I think funding and the funding
when you when you tap on that,

1440
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640
and most apps, it'll just take
you to the website. And it's

1441
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,010
like, oh, here's how you can
support like a shortcut to that.

1442
01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:53,610
As opposed, you know, we could
just do the same thing with the

1443
01:31:53,610 --> 01:31:55,650
newsletter, because the only way
people know I've got a

1444
01:31:55,650 --> 01:31:58,620
newsletter is to go to the
website, I don't even pimp it on

1445
01:31:58,620 --> 01:32:02,340
the shows because, well, that's
my bad, I probably should that,

1446
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,370
you know, irrespective, it's
like they gotta go to the site,

1447
01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:07,020
have a look newsletter, oh,
look, I can sign up for

1448
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:09,720
newsletter. So how many people
are going to take time out to do

1449
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,550
that? And this shortcut might
make a difference, but it

1450
01:32:11,550 --> 01:32:13,920
doesn't have to be baked
completely into the app, you can

1451
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,840
jump out just like we do. Why
not?

1452
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,350
I would personally I would
rather focus our effort and

1453
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:24,960
energy on implementing XMPP with
a bridge to IRC to get chat

1454
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,730
working or something like that.

1455
01:32:28,230 --> 01:32:32,310
Yeah, that that needs that needs
to be probably next up on the

1456
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:34,500
list. There's, there's always,
you know, what makes things

1457
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:37,920
complicated is there's always
sort of two, two things going

1458
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,770
on. There's one that's code
heavy and one that spec heavy,

1459
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,930
right and in in an just and
technical. And then there's and

1460
01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,250
then there's, like, evangelism
that's going on? Yeah. So

1461
01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:52,890
there's, there's like the the
music stuff. That's, that's

1462
01:32:52,890 --> 01:32:56,130
really more evangelism than
code. Yeah. And, you know, the

1463
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,280
XMPP stuff and the chat stuff
that that really is more more

1464
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:06,060
code than anything else. I do
like so. So John, you don't have

1465
01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:08,640
any live, you don't do anything
live right?

1466
01:33:09,150 --> 01:33:14,130
Now, not anymore. Back in 90,
more mid 2014 in with pragmatic,

1467
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,550
actually had five or six
episodes live, streaming them

1468
01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:21,720
using icecast. Put sort of,
like, stitched a bit together

1469
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,400
using liquid soap. And I used to
update the website with a live

1470
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:33,090
flag that scrape the status, x x
s l file from icecast. And I had

1471
01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:37,440
a chat room in IRC, you know,
much like, like ATP, do it. The

1472
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,680
relay guys, you know, five by
five, and a lot of them do that.

1473
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:45,660
So it's like, it's a thing I
used to do. But I got, oddly

1474
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:49,170
more complaints than I got
compliments. It because people

1475
01:33:49,170 --> 01:33:51,090
would say, Oh, why can't you do
it at this time? I can't

1476
01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:54,000
possibly make it at that time
sort of thing. And when I had,

1477
01:33:54,150 --> 01:33:57,300
like, probably two thirds of my
audience in the United States,

1478
01:33:57,690 --> 01:34:01,500
I, I would I tried a few getting
up at ridiculous hours of the of

1479
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:05,160
the morning to try and suit and
satisfy the North American

1480
01:34:05,190 --> 01:34:08,460
audience. And even then, people
would then complain from Europe

1481
01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:10,350
and say, Oh, well, you know,
that's a really big time. And

1482
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:13,110
I'm like, Oh, my God. Okay, so
the joy of live is that there

1483
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:19,140
are many time zones, and we live
in a ball. And so yeah, more

1484
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:21,480
people were annoyed that I
couldn't do it at their

1485
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:25,080
preferred time and the audience
level and feedback and

1486
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,810
engagement just wasn't there. So
I stopped doing it. And no one

1487
01:34:27,810 --> 01:34:30,000
seemed to care that I stopped.
So that's

1488
01:34:31,650 --> 01:34:36,120
well, okay, so you did so you
did an ice cast server. This is

1489
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,300
what I'm trying to get some just
want to try to get at. So

1490
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,670
there's, there's a couple of
breakthroughs that need to

1491
01:34:41,670 --> 01:34:45,750
happen here. There's there's the
ability for people to do live

1492
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:50,010
streams. And when I say people,
I mean, I mean hosts hosting

1493
01:34:50,010 --> 01:34:55,380
companies, hosting companies
need need a way forward for live

1494
01:34:55,380 --> 01:35:00,960
streams. And we talked about it
a lot in Dallas last week. with

1495
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:06,660
people and just trying to
brainstorm things. My, my idea

1496
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:14,940
is maybe wacky or too much. My
idea was you, you know, if your

1497
01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:20,220
hosting company you spin up, you
spin up a and n A icecast server

1498
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:24,270
in a Docker container or
something whenever you need it,

1499
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:31,140
dynamically assign it a DNS, DNS
name. And then for the life of

1500
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,160
that live broadcast, that thing
is running, and then you spin

1501
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,530
it, and then you just destroy it
when it's finished, like a

1502
01:35:37,530 --> 01:35:42,900
dashboard on voltage. Exactly
the same. Exactly. I like that.

1503
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:48,150
Now, there may be much better
ways to do it. And this is why I

1504
01:35:48,150 --> 01:35:52,530
bring it up, because I want to
hear where I'm going overkill on

1505
01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:58,050
this. But I mean, I could see
that. If you had like, I don't

1506
01:35:58,050 --> 01:36:01,020
know, if you're, if you're a
large host, and you had like 10

1507
01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:04,080
of these things running, they're
probably not costing, if they're

1508
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,060
sitting there doing nothing,
they're probably not costing you

1509
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,030
anything, it's just a container.
Especially if you're a

1510
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:12,480
Kubernetes or something like
that. I mean, it wouldn't

1511
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:15,300
probably, it's meant the cost is
minimal until you start the

1512
01:36:15,300 --> 01:36:19,440
bandwidth going. And then I was
thinking of it just like it like

1513
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:22,860
an Apache server, you know, like
you have a minimum spares that

1514
01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:26,370
are running, and then you just
spin up a few more whenever

1515
01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:31,350
somebody whenever those begin to
get used, and you kill them. I

1516
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:34,680
don't know, I'm trying to think
of a way. But so then on the

1517
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,310
backside, let's let's say that
you have that model, then on the

1518
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:43,890
back side, you got to have a way
for the podcaster to connect,

1519
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:49,290
and take and start sending to
the stream. And so then there

1520
01:36:49,290 --> 01:36:52,320
would have to be some sort of,
you know, you display back to

1521
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:56,880
them. The, the connection string
or the the URL that they need to

1522
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,930
connect to? Is, is that how you
do it currently, Adam, when you

1523
01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:04,200
take over the stream, do you
just connect to a endpoint and

1524
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:04,620
go?

1525
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:12,600
Yeah, so I have the luxury that
the no agenda stream is up 24/7

1526
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,370
It's ice cast server. I have God
power. So the minute I hit

1527
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:21,900
Connect is like whoever's there
is just sad. Because I

1528
01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:25,110
want to look like I mean, like
what is the connect to and when

1529
01:37:25,110 --> 01:37:25,920
you say connect,

1530
01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:31,590
I'm sorry, I use radio caster
small app. And all you do is

1531
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:34,860
just have the you have the one
endpoint, you got a password,

1532
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,030
you fill that in, you put your
bid rate, you do all that once,

1533
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:41,520
and then from then on out, it's
just click, you're on click,

1534
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:46,050
you're off. But it is it is a
separate app that I use.

1535
01:37:47,610 --> 01:37:50,940
Okay, and that just hooks into
your rig is that, yeah,

1536
01:37:51,839 --> 01:37:55,649
it just hooks into the output of
my, I mean, anyone who streams

1537
01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,149
kind of knows this stuff.

1538
01:37:58,019 --> 01:38:01,019
And I'm thinking about people
who don't stream who are not

1539
01:38:01,019 --> 01:38:02,399
used to it, like how

1540
01:38:02,460 --> 01:38:05,670
we need to kill them, they just
need to kill them. If you don't

1541
01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:09,630
stream you don't dream, okay,
get out of get on my face, as

1542
01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:15,450
if like it would be it'd be nice
to have some sort of guide, or

1543
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:20,940
something that said, Here's in
clear, clearly, the hosting

1544
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:23,040
company would would want to do
this, you know if they're going

1545
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,000
to support this feature. But for
those who want to get their feet

1546
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:34,380
wet with it earlier than waiting
for host implementation, it

1547
01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:37,920
would be nice to have some sort
of concise guide that could say,

1548
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:41,820
Okay, here's, here's how you
could go live. But you know,

1549
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:43,170
quickly or whatever.

1550
01:38:44,430 --> 01:38:47,250
For fun, even though it's so
specialized, I don't think

1551
01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:50,700
there's a lot of podcasts that
go live with audio only, there's

1552
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:54,300
just not a lot what most people
will be very comfortable with

1553
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:59,070
his stream yard or OBS. And
connecting that to some, you

1554
01:38:59,070 --> 01:39:01,560
know, everyone kind of knows,
oh, I need this kind of data, I

1555
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,700
put it in here and send it, it
would be easier to use something

1556
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,250
like that and just take the
audio that way. Also, if it's

1557
01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:12,090
multiple people, they can still
use the video to communicate

1558
01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:14,550
with each other. I think the
tools are out there. I think

1559
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:19,140
they're usable. But I don't know
if if this is something the

1560
01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:23,820
hosting company should solve.
I'm not sure that the lit tag is

1561
01:39:23,850 --> 01:39:27,060
a big deal for everybody. I
think it's a huge deal for a

1562
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:30,870
very small subsection who will
be able to use it effectively.

1563
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:35,970
That I think and I think those
are valuable content creators

1564
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:40,770
who know how to use it and will
use it but I just don't see it

1565
01:39:40,770 --> 01:39:45,000
as a big mainstream thing. But
it's important I want it

1566
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:50,940
it will I'm just thinking you
know, brought up the chat in the

1567
01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:57,210
chat really is only it's kind of
only the last not only live

1568
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,950
knows it could be the things

1569
01:39:58,980 --> 01:40:02,460
I mean it The room is open. You
know, people are in there all

1570
01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:09,180
the time to like, an IRC chat. I
mean the troll room.io Where no

1571
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:11,910
agenda stream.com is open all
the time that said the community

1572
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:15,270
lives there of trolls, but they
do live there under bridges and

1573
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:16,710
stinky garbage heaps.

1574
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:25,680
I guess. I mean, I would love
XMPP. That that seems like the

1575
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:32,580
way to go for for a built in
chat. In in the app. It's more

1576
01:40:32,610 --> 01:40:33,330
you know, it's

1577
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,540
seem a lot easier to get going
the comments

1578
01:40:37,770 --> 01:40:41,040
here. Yeah. And because it's
because it's because it's

1579
01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:42,120
synchronous.

1580
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:45,780
Yes. And we and we are and of
course I didn't come up with

1581
01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:48,900
this myself. I got this from
Alex gates. He said, XMPP were

1582
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:51,840
the bridge to IRC. I said, I
heard chef, I'm on it.

1583
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:55,950
Okay, can you put that in? Like,
is that something that can be

1584
01:40:55,950 --> 01:40:57,210
hooked to the no agenda?

1585
01:40:57,570 --> 01:41:03,210
Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
The x Oh, yeah. IRC and XMPP.

1586
01:41:03,210 --> 01:41:06,780
worked very well together. Okay.
Yeah, I think there's all kinds

1587
01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:07,860
of existing stuff.

1588
01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:12,810
I feel like I did a lot of XMPP
programming years ago. I know

1589
01:41:12,810 --> 01:41:16,050
nothing about IRC. I feel like I
just don't know anything about

1590
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:16,800
the way it worked. Well,

1591
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,130
luckily, we have some very
skilled people in our group.

1592
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,100
Yeah, there's people doing I
mean, when when you're at the

1593
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:26,940
bot level, I'm sure you can help
us with XMPP bridge to IRC.

1594
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,080
That would be great. I would
love to build some sandboxes and

1595
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,040
stuff around that to try to just
try it out. You know, because I

1596
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,850
still have I still got MK Ultra
this sitting there that needs.

1597
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:39,960
There's another

1598
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,050
thing you know, we just need to
shut everything down. Just you

1599
01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:51,000
just got to work through your
list. Yeah. Yeah, you said yeah.

1600
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:55,020
Let's take some more people.
Dave. We're running on a buck 45

1601
01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:55,800
here so let's

1602
01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:59,910
Yeah, all right. Let's see we
got we got some

1603
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,060
I don't mind doing the show late
for our guests in Australia. But

1604
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:05,370
you know, just because we ruin
his breakfast doesn't mean he

1605
01:42:05,370 --> 01:42:12,180
gets to ruin our dinner you got
time, John, you can hang out

1606
01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:12,870
with us some more.

1607
01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:16,560
I am making time for you guys.
Oh, good. Keep rolling. You

1608
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:16,980
know, also

1609
01:42:16,980 --> 01:42:20,610
you have an amazing set of
pipes. Oh, well, thank you for

1610
01:42:20,610 --> 01:42:23,880
Yeah, you really really sound
good. You know, because

1611
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,580
Australians can have a certain
I'm just saying it's like you

1612
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:30,270
have all kinds of opinions about
American accents. But yours with

1613
01:42:30,270 --> 01:42:32,610
the voice it just it has
something really comfortable.

1614
01:42:32,610 --> 01:42:33,870
It's really nice to listen to.

1615
01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,200
Thank you. Thanks Adam actually
means a lot coming in from you

1616
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,130
especially Thank you

1617
01:42:39,090 --> 01:42:40,500
You're welcome. I mean it

1618
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:45,690
we guess that fountain on screen
Nick of their fountain is $200

1619
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:47,610
Whoa I think we get the

1620
01:42:47,610 --> 01:42:49,260
ball them Bala

1621
01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:53,250
shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula
it's

1622
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,580
It's everybody's just so
generous today.

1623
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,680
We get Thank you. Thank you
guys. Thank you. Oscar and I've

1624
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,340
got a bug I need to squash for
Oscar and nationally not squash.

1625
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:09,780
I've got to introduce this to
gay. I get it No, no. No,

1626
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:16,080
investigate. Let's see. Steven,
Steven crater, send us $100 And

1627
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,820
he says for episode 100.

1628
01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:20,340
Thank you so much, Steven.

1629
01:43:21,089 --> 01:43:29,459
Steven. I really appreciate you
man. I really do. He, he is one

1630
01:43:29,459 --> 01:43:36,059
of those people that jumps in
there and just does things that

1631
01:43:36,119 --> 01:43:40,709
need doing. Like, you know, he's
a person that just sees that.

1632
01:43:42,299 --> 01:43:45,209
This something needs like
something needs to be done like,

1633
01:43:45,419 --> 01:43:48,749
like this bucket of you know,
mop water needs to be refilled

1634
01:43:48,749 --> 01:43:51,449
or the sort of the dirty jobs
that are just like time

1635
01:43:51,449 --> 01:43:55,919
consuming. He jumps in there and
doesn't. And I really appreciate

1636
01:43:55,919 --> 01:43:57,929
that. So more than more than I
can

1637
01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:00,630
you give us an example. So so we
all know

1638
01:44:00,630 --> 01:44:04,140
what mentation Yeah, that's
number one. When I put when,

1639
01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:09,510
when I roll up a new endpoint or
something, he documents it. And

1640
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:13,080
when he goes in there to
document it if he sees bugs, or

1641
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,920
misspellings or something. He's
like, Hey, this is messed up.

1642
01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:22,320
And I go fix it. Or somebody
says, hey, what's the GU ID for

1643
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:26,700
my podcast? And he jumps in
there posted before? Before I

1644
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:29,970
do. I'm like cool. It's just it
just takes you just take stuff

1645
01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,940
off my plate all the time and
I'm so appreciative of it

1646
01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:34,140
one time for the one time.

1647
01:44:37,170 --> 01:44:48,000
Fire $558 from Prem Lee barber
Barbosa Prem Lee Barbosa $50 No

1648
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,100
note, thank you very much. Thank
you. primly, we get some

1649
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:54,240
histograms.

1650
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,360
We get oh by the way, I would
like now I would like to say to

1651
01:45:00,450 --> 01:45:04,590
James Cridland, you've begged
for it enough times I've put the

1652
01:45:04,590 --> 01:45:08,880
big baller jingle into our show
notes for today's episode so

1653
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,480
someone can go put that into the
repository. I just want you to

1654
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:16,530
know it wasn't necessarily an
open source thing. It was

1655
01:45:16,740 --> 01:45:21,450
originated in the MO facts with
Adam curry podcast. Then slowly

1656
01:45:21,450 --> 01:45:25,710
stolen slash adopted by the no
agenda podcast, then it moves to

1657
01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:29,610
podcast 2.0 And now we set it
free.

1658
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,570
It's now it's been released.
It's been released released

1659
01:45:33,570 --> 01:45:36,780
into the wilds back to the
elements from which it came.

1660
01:45:37,410 --> 01:45:39,990
We have a good ISO as speaking
of James Kirtland, and if you

1661
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:42,480
want to drop that one in there,
please

1662
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,800
come and talk to us please. Wow,
that's genius. That is not just

1663
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,080
an ISO that's and a show ISO
baby.

1664
01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:52,410
That reached the top of the
mountain.

1665
01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:55,050
The pinnacle has been achieved.

1666
01:45:55,650 --> 01:46:00,540
Chad Pharaoh 3333 No notes.
Thank you. Let's see Auburn

1667
01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:05,940
citadel. 49 490 Boost me JC
destock

1668
01:46:05,969 --> 01:46:08,849
you got it boost boost boost.
Yay.

1669
01:46:09,389 --> 01:46:13,379
8888 from Chris last as Chris
from Jupiter broadcasting says

1670
01:46:13,379 --> 01:46:15,569
thanks for going to Podcast
Movement, so we don't have to

1671
01:46:16,980 --> 01:46:20,550
dodge the bullet. Although it
was really nice hanging out with

1672
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,460
everybody. That was the main
thing. And once we'd hung out

1673
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:27,690
with everybody, it was time to
leave. This is very

1674
01:46:27,690 --> 01:46:32,400
tailored. Regarding your live
chat discussion we do most most

1675
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,830
of our shows live and based on
listener demand, we're moving

1676
01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:38,880
our live chat to matrix. So far,
it's working out great. IRC can

1677
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,630
be bridged into matrix in many
cases might be possible to have

1678
01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:43,860
the best of both worlds.

1679
01:46:44,099 --> 01:46:48,449
can we bridge XMPP to IRC back
to matrix hey now

1680
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,410
can and should

1681
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:54,750
use your free dance. Yes, I
guess

1682
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,930
the only thing that I'm bought
that concerns me about matrix is

1683
01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:06,390
I've heard that the back end is
very heavy. And I would like to

1684
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:07,410
hear input on the

1685
01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:11,850
hell was going on? We're going
to have a standoff because the

1686
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:15,900
Alex gauge the official
podcasting 2.0 consultant, not

1687
01:47:15,900 --> 01:47:20,070
to be confused with a value for
value coach, the 2.0 consultant,

1688
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:26,490
he's pushing very heavily for
XMPP. And I believe Roy over a

1689
01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:30,300
breeze would be pushing very
hard for matrix. So if we could

1690
01:47:30,300 --> 01:47:32,880
make those two meet somewhere in
the middle and connect them

1691
01:47:32,910 --> 01:47:34,680
that's all good. That the

1692
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:39,360
middle that would be like middle
of the Atlantic. Yes, somewhere.

1693
01:47:39,870 --> 01:47:43,590
I'm not quite sure how we have
these types. Maybe there's no

1694
01:47:43,590 --> 01:47:46,230
conflict at all. Maybe it all
fits perfectly together.

1695
01:47:46,679 --> 01:47:49,229
Okay, you guys meet in Greenland
and fight and whoever wins,

1696
01:47:49,229 --> 01:47:56,849
right? That's right. See 717 73
sets from Mike Dell says Dallas

1697
01:47:56,849 --> 01:48:03,899
moves from room 1773 Well,
three, go ahead. No, go ahead.

1698
01:48:03,899 --> 01:48:07,829
Go keep on Yeah. 12 345 from
hard 12345 from hard hat. No

1699
01:48:07,829 --> 01:48:08,249
note.

1700
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:12,390
Thank you. Very nice. Booze. Roy
scheinfeld

1701
01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:20,430
No, there. There he is. He's for
episode 99. Excuse me. This is a

1702
01:48:20,430 --> 01:48:23,580
this was a mess up on my part. I
did. He boosted last week and

1703
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:28,320
this week and I missed both of
them. And then I figured out

1704
01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:32,610
this afternoon that it was and
because I message you and I was

1705
01:48:32,610 --> 01:48:35,580
like I can't find Roy's boost is
driving me nuts is concerning.

1706
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:36,930
And

1707
01:48:37,260 --> 01:48:41,040
yes, we were we were we were
combing how sad or we were

1708
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:45,750
combing through heli pad and
through I was looking at CSVs

1709
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:47,940
like I got no wikis in here
somewhere.

1710
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:56,520
Show yourself Roy show yourself.
He's a bit he had boosted two

1711
01:48:56,940 --> 01:49:01,170
booths two weeks in a row with
no note. And I had filled my

1712
01:49:01,170 --> 01:49:03,900
script was filtering. Oh no, no,

1713
01:49:03,900 --> 01:49:07,020
it's Yeah, reading on the show
that's the epitome of lazy is

1714
01:49:07,020 --> 01:49:10,890
given a big boost and I'm you
know I'm gonna give 54,003 and

1715
01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:15,180
20 on SAS but you know, I mean
my silk robe I got my floppy

1716
01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:19,260
slippers on. It's so tiring to
type a note.

1717
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:25,230
I said I message him I said so
good. All good. I found him.

1718
01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:29,940
Here's, you know, here's the
bug. And fixed. We're all we're

1719
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:30,780
all good. It's like

1720
01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:37,020
do you say Roy do you send your
would you send your wife a card

1721
01:49:37,020 --> 01:49:42,900
with just just a card with no
writing on it? I feel I feel our

1722
01:49:42,900 --> 01:49:44,880
relationship was better than
that.

1723
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,300
It's a box of chocolates. It's
just wrappers and no extra

1724
01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:48,690
chocolate

1725
01:49:58,980 --> 01:50:04,560
so He essentially debugged my
code from like, what 3000 miles

1726
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,940
away, which was Oh, really? Oh,
yeah. Yes, that's good. Next

1727
01:50:08,940 --> 01:50:13,950
time, I'm just gonna print all
the code out and mail it to, to

1728
01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:17,370
to John and Roy and have them
decode it from their respective

1729
01:50:17,370 --> 01:50:24,300
locations. Okay. What one let us
see 1111, George Orwell and

1730
01:50:24,330 --> 01:50:25,680
Orwell Nietzsche says boost

1731
01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:28,680
yo, yo, thanks George Jordan
rose big supporter, big channel

1732
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,420
opener to everybody appreciate
it.

1733
01:50:31,290 --> 01:50:35,280
Big row sticks 11 111 from mere
mortals podcast. He says I think

1734
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,310
the best I think the biggest
problem with the for V, is it it

1735
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:41,010
takes a while to get going. In
the latest V for V podcast

1736
01:50:41,010 --> 01:50:44,220
episode, I talked about how pod
land required a while until new

1737
01:50:44,220 --> 01:50:46,770
people joined in on the
boosting. But I think the rush

1738
01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:49,800
of the highest impact dopamine
jacking, heart racing

1739
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,370
extravaganza of a message with
monetary value attached is worth

1740
01:50:53,370 --> 01:50:53,640
it.

1741
01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:58,500
Die can concur. I completely
agree. Absolutely.

1742
01:50:59,850 --> 01:51:05,700
RDK 519 Send us 1010 SATs and he
says Adam and Dave, thanks for

1743
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:08,790
all you're doing with podcasting
2.0 Our shows aren't yet in the

1744
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:11,910
2.0 universe, but we're working
to get them there as quickly as

1745
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:14,400
possible. Keep up the good work.
Rob Kirkpatrick

1746
01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:15,840
Thank you, Rob. Look forward to

1747
01:51:17,610 --> 01:51:22,200
Jean Everett's in his 1001 SAS
he says cheers. Cheers to you.

1748
01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:27,510
Cheers back at you. Uh, Chris,
you know, send us 3570 SATs and

1749
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:33,210
no note. Sir Doug sent us 10,000
SATs and he says value for value

1750
01:51:33,210 --> 01:51:34,380
boost the yo yo,

1751
01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:35,760
love that.

1752
01:51:37,710 --> 01:51:39,900
Is the Amit Sharma dog

1753
01:51:39,930 --> 01:51:42,510
I miss I'm missing the TOS.
Where's the ducks today?

1754
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,160
I don't know. See?

1755
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:48,450
I feel so you know, I haven't
heard any ducks. Little

1756
01:51:48,450 --> 01:51:52,110
concerned about the dogs. All
right. What's your dog? Okay.

1757
01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:55,950
He is I had to mute myself and
yell at him. Oh, I don't know if

1758
01:51:55,950 --> 01:51:56,700
it's gonna help or not

1759
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:59,220
wasn't buying any dogs was he?

1760
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,450
He's he sees the chickens
outside and he really wants

1761
01:52:03,450 --> 01:52:04,530
chicken tonight.

1762
01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:08,910
Like right now pronto. Yeah,
immediately. Chicken

1763
01:52:09,540 --> 01:52:14,280
1234 from SLC. I can't I can't
view boosts only this show no

1764
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:15,450
problems on na.

1765
01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:22,320
Oh, yes. We have comments this
in Fountain we requested no

1766
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,050
comment boosts our podcast. So I
could have an A B and then not

1767
01:52:28,050 --> 01:52:31,680
the show. But next show. Um,
this also was part of Tanner's

1768
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,340
problem, the comments do present
opportunities and they present

1769
01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:36,930
issues. But that's for another
show.

1770
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:42,690
So Pete 21,500 says To cast a
magic is this the talk about

1771
01:52:42,690 --> 01:52:46,140
making features appealing or
making them better? Better known

1772
01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:50,040
on its own is kind of weird. I
think the total experience of

1773
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,250
listening to a podcast is key.
When podcasters say in their

1774
01:52:53,250 --> 01:52:56,460
podcast, quote, check out the
image in your app to see what I

1775
01:52:56,460 --> 01:53:00,480
mean. Or skip to the next
chapter to get the results.

1776
01:53:00,510 --> 01:53:04,590
Yeah, those two calls will pull
people to both use and ask for

1777
01:53:04,590 --> 01:53:08,160
the new features. You might also
awaken the call for so for

1778
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:10,920
support of new features.
Completely

1779
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:13,230
agree completely agree. Good
one.

1780
01:53:13,230 --> 01:53:17,190
That's the that's the other part
that I'd written in my notes

1781
01:53:17,190 --> 01:53:23,310
earlier is that part of the
value is the podcaster has to

1782
01:53:23,310 --> 01:53:29,730
use his or her voice in the
podcast to talk to the listener

1783
01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,230
that you have to you your
podcast the content of your

1784
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:38,010
podcast is the way that you do
it. It's you don't it's not you

1785
01:53:38,010 --> 01:53:41,280
don't just flip a switch. It's
not technology. All the

1786
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,610
technology in the world can be
there. But if you don't if you

1787
01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:48,360
don't engage your audience in
that way that it doesn't is

1788
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:53,010
useless. Sir Shona, the
Allegheny Valley, aka Sean

1789
01:53:53,010 --> 01:53:56,100
McCune 50,000 SATs he says
boosting while listening to the

1790
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,180
last episodes boosts

1791
01:53:57,210 --> 01:54:01,200
Oh nice. Thank you. Nice boost
boost boost boost the boost

1792
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:01,740
boost.

1793
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:07,650
Timmy tweet 23 8315 1000s As he
says just updated my years old

1794
01:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,970
d&d tabletop gaming podcast to
2.0. Hoping we won't offend our

1795
01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:15,510
long term, our longtime Patreon
subscribers by moving to value

1796
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:18,570
for value for anyone interested
in longtime friends playing

1797
01:54:18,570 --> 01:54:22,800
tabletop RPGs. Reviewing project
products and not being serious

1798
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:27,780
about it. Check out GG no ri
that's GG space in O space R E.

1799
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:30,240
Go podcasting. Yo Cool.

1800
01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:41,970
See 11 111 from Martin from pod
friend.

1801
01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:44,790
Hey Martin How you doing?

1802
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,450
He says 100th Episode Wow feels
like just yesterday since I

1803
01:54:48,450 --> 01:54:51,510
wrote to Adam about accessing
the index and then creating that

1804
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:55,200
first early open source app
implementation. I've been quiet

1805
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,660
for a while but I'm having so
much fun right now working on

1806
01:54:57,660 --> 01:55:01,020
pot friend two ah which is going
to be better than ever.

1807
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,270
It's coming to theaters this
summer.

1808
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:16,950
Happy episode aversary and rock
own nice boost. Pod friend too.

1809
01:55:17,670 --> 01:55:21,750
I'm excited I'm excited pod
friend to it's like the iPhone

1810
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:22,590
14

1811
01:55:24,750 --> 01:55:29,280
Martin back again 100,000 SATs
and he's Oh again because 100

1812
01:55:29,310 --> 01:55:29,730
Yes,

1813
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:34,680
just Blaze on am Paula.

1814
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,870
So happy he's still on our
orbit.

1815
01:55:37,530 --> 01:55:44,160
Straight up. Yeah, it can't wait
to see pocket pod friend 2.0 I

1816
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,290
didn't know he was working on
that he's been keeping it

1817
01:55:46,290 --> 01:55:46,920
download

1818
01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:51,060
pod friend and 2.0 it's your
friend.

1819
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:58,620
No bigger than ever. These
laughs since 838 SATs and he

1820
01:55:58,620 --> 01:55:59,640
says show was lit.

1821
01:55:59,820 --> 01:56:02,970
Yeah. laughs

1822
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,210
sin is 25,000 SATs he says go
podcasting. Nice.

1823
01:56:08,580 --> 01:56:11,520
I'm so humbled by these numbers.
This is so great.

1824
01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:15,420
It's incredible. Steve, that was
Steve in Bradenton, Florida.

1825
01:56:17,190 --> 01:56:23,160
slewed send a 1611 SATs and he
says 1611 equals King James

1826
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:24,600
boost go podcasting?

1827
01:56:25,500 --> 01:56:28,770
I'm not quite sure what to play.
I don't have a King James thing

1828
01:56:28,770 --> 01:56:31,650
but don't just stand there. Oh
go podcast.

1829
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:34,500
Let's just pretend that was kJ.

1830
01:56:34,530 --> 01:56:35,850
Yeah, it sounded just like him.

1831
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,910
Meet us. Send us 2222 through
fountain and he says the boost

1832
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:47,460
below nice. The boost below me
says indirect. This is like an

1833
01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:52,020
Excel column Excel formula
indirect. open parenthesis

1834
01:56:52,020 --> 01:56:55,050
address open parenthesis row
parenthesis plus one column

1835
01:56:55,050 --> 01:56:55,890
parenthesis.

1836
01:56:57,570 --> 01:57:02,880
And you have solved our secret
puzzle. Congratulations for

1837
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,800
boosting us in the row.

1838
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:13,920
What was that? No idea. Okay.
Steven B sends 100,000 SATs. Oh

1839
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:22,860
man at the 100th episode. Thank
you so much. Brother. Bissau

1840
01:57:22,860 --> 01:57:27,660
used screenshots of curio, curio
caster in my preferences Tasha

1841
01:57:27,660 --> 01:57:35,250
on Yes. Dame Jennifer sent us
100,000 Sask cue up. Jingle

1842
01:57:35,250 --> 01:57:37,800
congrats. One 100 For this Oh,

1843
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:39,480
that'll surprise here.

1844
01:57:40,530 --> 01:57:45,390
Happy episode aka board meeting
100 que that obnoxious air horn.

1845
01:57:46,170 --> 01:57:53,010
Please come and talk to us.
Ready for her?

1846
01:57:53,820 --> 01:57:55,980
That was the obnoxious air horn
was James.

1847
01:57:56,760 --> 01:58:00,510
I don't know how that happened.
Muscle memory. Long COVID All

1848
01:58:00,510 --> 01:58:03,390
right. So we hit the congrats
jingle here. Yeah, hit it.

1849
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:10,290
Hey, guys. Congratulations on
episode 100. You've managed to

1850
01:58:10,290 --> 01:58:14,280
build an incredible team who are
all doing amazing things. I'm

1851
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:17,070
looking forward to what we'll
see in the hackathon. I'll be at

1852
01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:20,280
the craft services table eating
cake and drinking Prosecco out

1853
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:24,420
of plastic cups of course. See
there are boost people boost

1854
01:58:24,420 --> 01:58:25,080
boost boost.

1855
01:58:27,780 --> 01:58:32,430
Dave Jennifer best she she's a
big part of it. Man. You're a

1856
01:58:32,430 --> 01:58:34,110
big part of it. Dame Jennifer.

1857
01:58:34,500 --> 01:58:36,840
She says she wanted it to sound
like those obnoxious

1858
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:39,300
celebrities, you know,
congratulating each other.

1859
01:58:40,230 --> 01:58:43,200
It's hard for her to pull it off
entirely because she's just so

1860
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:43,860
nice.

1861
01:58:44,519 --> 01:58:47,819
Yeah, there's no underlying
note. Yes, back there.

1862
01:58:47,849 --> 01:58:51,599
No, no, not a hint of
douchebaggery no smugness no

1863
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:54,989
jealousy. It's just pure open
honest and we'd love your name

1864
01:58:54,989 --> 01:58:58,289
Jennifer. We really do everybody
does your fantastic. You should

1865
01:58:58,289 --> 01:59:02,009
be making a million Satoshis a
day being a value for value

1866
01:59:02,009 --> 01:59:02,789
consultant.

1867
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:08,130
Oh, that's a good idea. Oh, look
at both look at boosted this it

1868
01:59:08,130 --> 01:59:11,550
was John Chingy no way you're 61
says no,

1869
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:12,570
no.

1870
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,720
No that guy. Hey, John,

1871
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:21,030
do you need to before I forget
you need to immediately email me

1872
01:59:21,060 --> 01:59:28,800
your your node ID so I can put
you in our splits. Notice how we

1873
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,100
put him in the split after all
the million million set booths

1874
01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:36,420
come in? Yeah, we're not totally
stupid. Boy.

1875
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,980
We and guess what? We didn't
have a guest last week. Oh, so

1876
01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:44,130
no split goes to that. That's
true, because that does mean

1877
01:59:44,130 --> 01:59:47,010
that you stay with us until the
next guest is on to kind of

1878
01:59:47,010 --> 01:59:47,310
happy

1879
01:59:47,310 --> 01:59:52,920
birthday to us. Yes. Hi, Dave
and Adam and listeners podcast

1880
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,980
2.0. Brian of London's in Python
example code with attitude.

1881
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:59,310
Hopefully that helped me make
this VISTA grande possible. It

1882
01:59:59,310 --> 02:00:03,000
feels like Have some kind of
hive mind and dig it. Anyway, I

1883
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,790
encourage anyone that isn't
already listening to causality

1884
02:00:05,790 --> 02:00:09,630
to visit engineer dot network as
we analyze what went wrong, or

1885
02:00:09,630 --> 02:00:12,060
excuse me what went right and
what went wrong and we discover

1886
02:00:12,060 --> 02:00:15,150
that many outcomes can be
predicted, planned for and even

1887
02:00:15,150 --> 02:00:18,570
prevented and you too can decide
if the listener that called me a

1888
02:00:18,570 --> 02:00:22,320
dreamy narrator was right or
not. Nice.

1889
02:00:23,250 --> 02:00:25,260
Thank you. Yes.

1890
02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:32,370
Hard Hat 100,000 SATs boost,
boost. Boost. Thank you hard

1891
02:00:32,370 --> 02:00:38,190
hat. There's just so many of
these is nuts. Mac. Macintosh is

1892
02:00:38,190 --> 02:00:40,950
in its 10,000 SATs and he says
Happy 100th Episode What an

1893
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:43,890
accomplishment. I'm looking
forward to the next 100 episodes

1894
02:00:43,890 --> 02:00:46,560
and the next dozen or more
podcasts and 2.0 features go

1895
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:52,560
podcasting your podcast. I am to
Macintosh. We're just getting

1896
02:00:52,710 --> 02:00:55,500
the last slide of the
presentation was we're just

1897
02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:58,350
getting started. And that's that
is it feels like that's 100%

1898
02:00:58,350 --> 02:01:04,890
True. Yep. Jason unit sent us
103,099 sets through pod verse

1899
02:01:04,890 --> 02:01:06,990
and he says please defragment
me, Adam.

1900
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:13,800
Oh, yes. Love to do that. And
we'll throw in a boost. Thanks.

1901
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,330
I'm glad people are asking for
that.

1902
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,680
He says Adam, if I boost more
than $333 with a Bitcoin to the

1903
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,930
no agenda show. Well, I get
credited as an executive

1904
02:01:21,930 --> 02:01:22,410
producer.

1905
02:01:22,440 --> 02:01:27,180
No, don't do it. Don't do it. Do
it now. It's just an ongoing

1906
02:01:27,180 --> 02:01:30,480
conversation I'm having with my
partner so don't do it. Don't

1907
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:36,030
Ask Don't Don't rock the boat.

1908
02:01:38,340 --> 02:01:44,370
Brian of London in the high Dao
49,524 SATs do the V for V out.

1909
02:01:44,700 --> 02:01:45,660
Thank you, Brian.

1910
02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:50,940
I'm not he's okay. Thanks.
Thanks for Thanks. in advance

1911
02:01:50,940 --> 02:01:54,030
for this Brian. He says I'm not
a pheasant plucker I'm a

1912
02:01:54,030 --> 02:01:57,300
pheasant pluckers made I'm only
plucking pheasants because the

1913
02:01:57,300 --> 02:02:01,380
pheasant plucker is late.
Usually,

1914
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:06,060
Ryan, thanks a lot. By the way.
I did want to say that, you

1915
02:02:06,060 --> 02:02:09,900
know, the booths that come to no
agenda go of course, the clip

1916
02:02:09,900 --> 02:02:15,930
custodian and they go to to Dred
Scott. And I think we're far

1917
02:02:15,930 --> 02:02:19,350
enough along the road and I
think we have enough 2.0 value

1918
02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:23,610
for value podcasters who are
also do album art. If you put

1919
02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:30,450
your your Alby address or your
node ID in the information where

1920
02:02:30,450 --> 02:02:34,140
your your images if, if, if we
choose you, I'm going to put you

1921
02:02:34,140 --> 02:02:38,310
in the value split of the no
agenda feed. Does that make any

1922
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:41,070
sense? Yeah, that's cool,
because everyone I could just go

1923
02:02:41,070 --> 02:02:46,050
sign up and get an Alby right
now being you just said here's

1924
02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:50,730
my details and then all I have
to do is plug it in was let's

1925
02:02:50,730 --> 02:02:52,500
get these artists some stuff and
some sets

1926
02:02:52,530 --> 02:02:56,340
if anybody wants to do show art
for this for our show do for a

1927
02:02:56,370 --> 02:02:58,680
second thing oh yeah, great
idea. Well, we'll give you a

1928
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,240
split yeah absolutely. Def

1929
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:02,460
a sound bites to Oh yes.

1930
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:07,860
Easy for you to spend our money
gently. Down man.

1931
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:21,270
10,101 says and he says IRC plus
plus okay, we gotta vote for is

1932
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:22,500
this is gonna be a grudge match.

1933
02:03:24,150 --> 02:03:25,680
No, I'm sorry. I

1934
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:34,770
protocol grudge match, a grudge
match. Let's see. 333,333 SATs

1935
02:03:34,770 --> 02:03:36,030
from crimson deer.

1936
02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:41,550
Show shot caller 20 years blades
on am Paula.

1937
02:03:42,690 --> 02:03:46,260
Third time's a charm. All the
threes. Thank you, Adam and Dave

1938
02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:49,680
and the whole podcasting. 2.0
team. Mike Newman. Oh, that's

1939
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:50,430
Mike again.

1940
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,670
Matt and Mike you're out of
control. He has a he reached a

1941
02:03:53,670 --> 02:03:57,300
million. No doubt. Did he? Yeah,
probably more than a million.

1942
02:03:57,690 --> 02:04:05,520
Holy cow. Oh man. Thank you,
Mike. And bombshell, sir Speth

1943
02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:10,620
sir Spencer 100,000 SATs through
curio caster and he says Happy

1944
02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:13,620
100th episode thanks for all you
have done for Valve favor value

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podcasting, decentralization and
protecting freedom of expression

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02:04:16,740 --> 02:04:20,100
in the podcasting environment.
He restored our passion for bowl

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after bowl and helped us improve
our value proposition in our

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02:04:23,130 --> 02:04:26,880
show over these past almost two
years. We are ever grateful sir

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02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:30,840
Spencer and Dame DeLorean de
la.com. Thank you guys

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02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:35,160
so nice. Really appreciate the
support.

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Let's see we got Chad Ferro.
100,000 SATs 100k for show 100

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Boo.

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Nice 100 Fire

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Fire Fire one time for the one
time.

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Jeff arrow dropped 3333 and
another 100,000 says 100k for

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the Washington

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You guys are crazy. It's just so
cool.

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02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:08,820
And did you read sourced? So
congrats on episode 100? Yes, I

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think I did the 100k

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if not hundreds just to
recognize it there you go.

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Yeah as you pipe pipe CD. All
right. Thank you source let's

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see God's out one Macintosh and
is for 1000 Set boosts. And he

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02:05:30,630 --> 02:05:33,930
says listen to Thursday's
listened to Thursday episode and

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02:05:33,930 --> 02:05:37,410
note oh no agenda about died
laughing at the old man boost.

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02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,230
Give me an old man boost and
again congratulations on 100

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02:05:40,230 --> 02:05:41,880
episodes boost boost boost. I

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02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:42,840
know what that is.

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02:05:43,590 --> 02:05:49,920
Oh, man. I'm exhausted. We
finally get the delimiter comic

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02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:53,970
strip blogger. There he is.
15,033 sets and he says how do

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02:05:53,970 --> 02:05:59,310
you David Adam, on September 3
in 1939, the United Kingdom, New

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02:05:59,310 --> 02:06:02,460
Zealand and Australia declared
war on Germany after the

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02:06:02,460 --> 02:06:05,880
invasion of Poland. Exactly. 25
years later, inventor of

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02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:11,550
podcasting, Adam Curry was born.
So, happy birthday to you, Adam.

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02:06:11,790 --> 02:06:12,330
Yo,

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02:06:12,690 --> 02:06:15,660
thank you for connecting me to
Nazis. I really appreciate it.

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02:06:15,810 --> 02:06:20,100
CSB. highly appreciate it. Thank
you for supporting podcasting.

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02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:24,180
2.0 You've been doing it
generously every single week and

1978
02:06:24,180 --> 02:06:28,050
with code to thank you all for
boosting. That's really great,

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02:06:28,050 --> 02:06:28,740
really great bunch

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02:06:28,740 --> 02:06:31,680
of shadowy super coders. That's
what y'all are. Yes, right, any

1981
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:36,540
monthlies, guest monthlies,
Aaron Reno $5, Pedro gun calvess

1982
02:06:36,540 --> 02:06:44,460
$5. Chad Ferro $20.22 Sister
Loretta Vandenberg. $10 Scott

1983
02:06:44,460 --> 02:06:50,400
Jalbert $12 Martin, Linda Skog,
$1 and Mark Graham $1. Thank you

1984
02:06:50,430 --> 02:06:53,550
to everybody and thank you to
everybody who's ever donated to

1985
02:06:53,550 --> 02:06:56,910
the show, even if it's just
interest just $1

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02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:59,250
more towards your time, talent,
treasure.

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02:07:00,420 --> 02:07:05,280
Yeah, all you took you took time
out of your schedule to help and

1988
02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:06,390
it's greatly appreciated.

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02:07:06,420 --> 02:07:09,720
And we'll, we'll tally this up.
We'll see how we did let

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02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:12,540
everybody know but the
numerology word really? I mean

1991
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:17,190
100,000 SATs is $20 and just
have like just 20 thrown out.

1992
02:07:17,190 --> 02:07:19,980
Yeah, me I feel a little dirty
like a stripper. But come on.

1993
02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:24,810
This shit is good. It's working.
But also just thank you for I

1994
02:07:24,810 --> 02:07:28,230
mean, this is not just Adam and
Dave but everybody knows that

1995
02:07:28,260 --> 02:07:31,680
this is everybody working
together. This is some some kind

1996
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:35,280
of groovy formula that we've
stumbled upon and it just seems

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02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:38,430
to work I personally think it's
because there is a monetary

1998
02:07:38,430 --> 02:07:42,090
thing involved everybody can
share a piece of but who knows

1999
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:45,930
regardless, I'm very very very
grateful for this everything

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02:07:45,930 --> 02:07:46,650
that's happening.

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02:07:47,070 --> 02:07:49,650
And thank in really, thank you,
thank you to the big to the

2002
02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:54,360
ballers with Nina Drib and ITAR
and Mike Newman, or, you know,

2003
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:58,320
this million sad I mean that we
mean going to Dallas wasn't

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02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,010
cheap. And that comes out of the
so far it's still on my card.

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02:08:02,670 --> 02:08:03,030
And we

2006
02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:05,850
you got to pay yourself back.
But you

2007
02:08:05,850 --> 02:08:07,680
didn't you didn't have to pay
anything, right? It was all on

2008
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:08,910
my card when you checked out.

2009
02:08:10,170 --> 02:08:13,470
Yes, it went to your card. Okay,
so you'll, you have to transfer

2010
02:08:13,470 --> 02:08:17,040
that over. And somehow I've got
to figure it out. This goes back

2011
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,210
to your thing, John. You know,
when you're talking about being

2012
02:08:21,210 --> 02:08:26,670
D platformed. And the potential
for that I'm not so I had this

2013
02:08:26,670 --> 02:08:32,430
experience this week I'm trying
to pay for I'm trying to pay

2014
02:08:32,430 --> 02:08:37,170
myself back from the pet from
our Pay Pal for the cost on my

2015
02:08:37,170 --> 02:08:43,950
card to pay Tim, Tim K for the
LMP node. And I'm trying to pay

2016
02:08:43,950 --> 02:08:49,140
this back and it's like, okay,
well you can't you can't send

2017
02:08:49,380 --> 02:08:51,720
money unless it's for goods or
services because it's a business

2018
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:53,070
it's a bunch of disability

2019
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:55,710
so fucking complicated these a

2020
02:08:55,889 --> 02:08:59,069
nightmare. And then I go in
there and I'm trying to link a

2021
02:08:59,069 --> 02:09:02,879
bank account because Okay, gonna
do transfer. I won't I won't do

2022
02:09:02,879 --> 02:09:06,329
a PayPal thing I'll just do a
transfer try to link my bank

2023
02:09:06,329 --> 02:09:09,089
account to do it over here and
it's like, you can't do this

2024
02:09:09,089 --> 02:09:11,759
because it's not you have to set
the name on the account supposed

2025
02:09:11,759 --> 02:09:14,849
to be the name is same as the
name and Pay Pal. And do this

2026
02:09:14,849 --> 02:09:18,689
whole thing. I'm looking I'm
like, Okay, I'm afraid to doing

2027
02:09:18,689 --> 02:09:22,169
all this stuff. They're just
gonna see like shenanigans going

2028
02:09:22,169 --> 02:09:25,649
on and they're just gonna close
the account like not not even

2029
02:09:25,649 --> 02:09:29,129
that it's content they get gets
me the platform. But that is

2030
02:09:29,159 --> 02:09:34,559
this this flaky, finicky Trigger
Happy financial system can just

2031
02:09:34,559 --> 02:09:37,829
be like, You know what, you're
too much trouble got done. Like

2032
02:09:37,859 --> 02:09:41,429
or you did one thing wrong. You
tried to link something that

2033
02:09:41,429 --> 02:09:44,729
wasn't that we don't like
through AI or something and

2034
02:09:44,729 --> 02:09:46,289
we're just gonna shut your whole
account

2035
02:09:46,290 --> 02:09:49,680
down. Yeah, there is a real risk
for that. It's really sucks.

2036
02:09:49,950 --> 02:09:53,100
I'm afraid to do too much to it.
Because I'm afraid that they're

2037
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:56,100
just going to be like, you know,
you know what, this is weird.

2038
02:09:56,370 --> 02:10:01,320
You're done. And that that that
alone is worth the price of

2039
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:05,280
admission for lightning or some
alternative system because you

2040
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:08,910
can you know if I need
reimbursement for some expense

2041
02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:09,600
it's

2042
02:10:09,630 --> 02:10:15,810
how about this? Why don't we Why
don't we set up I can set up I

2043
02:10:15,810 --> 02:10:23,100
think I can set up strike on a
on the podcasting 2.0 account.

2044
02:10:24,210 --> 02:10:29,040
And then we could just transfer
it and SATs. Yeah, maybe not,

2045
02:10:29,070 --> 02:10:31,860
which we'll think about but
we'll come up with something. I

2046
02:10:31,860 --> 02:10:34,380
love working around these
systems is so stupid.

2047
02:10:35,130 --> 02:10:37,650
Ya know, it's so add a man so

2048
02:10:37,650 --> 02:10:41,160
maddening. What do we give this
cIgi guy who didn't? 10%

2049
02:10:42,570 --> 02:10:47,880
Yeah, 10% 10% Do you want him to
go? You don't want to negotiate.

2050
02:10:47,940 --> 02:10:48,330
John

2051
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:52,470
just sounded like that. Look,
I'm just, I'm a rollover on this

2052
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:54,390
sort of stuff. I'm just stoked
to be here. So you know,

2053
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:55,380
whatever you think is fair.

2054
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:01,560
Saturday morning, whatever.

2055
02:11:02,370 --> 02:11:06,420
Straight? That's it. Okay,
you're in the block. Good to go

2056
02:11:06,420 --> 02:11:11,940
there. Thanks. Yeah, no, of
course. Genesis long, long board

2057
02:11:11,940 --> 02:11:14,580
meeting. Do we need to do
anything else before we wrap up?

2058
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:18,210
I don't think so. I've got I
have other things I want to talk

2059
02:11:18,210 --> 02:11:20,040
about that we will push into
next week.

2060
02:11:20,190 --> 02:11:23,250
Oh, yeah. Oh, there's so much to
talk about so much to do. So

2061
02:11:23,250 --> 02:11:26,340
little time. John. God, thank
you so much, man for getting up

2062
02:11:26,370 --> 02:11:29,910
early for being a part of this
community as well. And a big

2063
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:34,770
part of it. And very active
participant. And thank you for

2064
02:11:34,770 --> 02:11:38,070
the financial support. It's
really easy. It's like comes on

2065
02:11:38,070 --> 02:11:40,740
for free. Takes a cheap split.

2066
02:11:43,950 --> 02:11:46,350
Thank you for sharing all your
code. Thank you for putting all

2067
02:11:46,350 --> 02:11:49,560
that up and sore. So we're
really rip I know, that's you

2068
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:52,740
didn't that wasn't something
that you were used to doing

2069
02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:55,680
right? You didn't really do a
lot of open source before. But

2070
02:11:55,680 --> 02:11:57,720
now when you get out of your
comfort zone and started doing

2071
02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:58,440
that, I appreciate

2072
02:11:59,099 --> 02:12:02,309
that's okay. I'm just hope that
everyone anyone that can get

2073
02:12:02,309 --> 02:12:04,739
anything useful out of it, get
something useful out of it. And

2074
02:12:04,769 --> 02:12:07,709
and thank you, both of you for
actually pulling this together

2075
02:12:07,739 --> 02:12:11,339
kicking this off and it's
developing a life of its own the

2076
02:12:11,339 --> 02:12:14,369
whole podcasting 2.0 thing is
just getting better and better

2077
02:12:14,399 --> 02:12:18,269
every week. So it's exciting to
be a part of it. Thank you.

2078
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,500
We're just getting started. Just
getting started. Have a great

2079
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,590
weekend. Great Saturday for you.
Great weekend for you, Dave.

2080
02:12:25,590 --> 02:12:28,230
Thank you everybody in the chat
room. Thank you all so much.

2081
02:12:28,230 --> 02:12:30,390
Thank you for commenting on the
mastodon thank you for being

2082
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:35,310
around. And we'll see you next
week with another board meeting

2083
02:12:35,310 --> 02:12:40,380
podcasting. 2.0 see us right
here. We'll be late as usual.

2084
02:12:56,910 --> 02:13:02,670
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2085
02:13:02,670 --> 02:13:03,570
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2086
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