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Oh, podcasting 2.0 for October
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are juggling the junkets it's
nothing like alliteration junket

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Hold on a second. Ladies and
gentlemen, please say hello to

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my co founder and friend Dave
Jones here on podcasting. 2.0

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Hello, Hey, you don't want to
junk it is

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that is that like, I guess it'd
be like a trip, like a trip,

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right? Like a flight or
something?

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Yeah, it's actually it's, it's a
Hollywood term, where typically

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you'd have a movie to promote
and you go into a city or a

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country sitting in a different
country, you set up in the

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hotel, and all the camera crews
will have their own little room.

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And they'll have five minutes.
And you go in and you're an

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actor or whatever. And you'll
answer some kind of very

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standard questions. And then
you'll have a publicist who will

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whisk you away to the next one
is and it's and what it winds up

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giving you is really canned
boring interviews. And very in a

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very tired actor.

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This was pretty much a normal
day for me. Exactly. Your views?

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Yeah. Hanging out? Yeah, PR.
Yeah, it

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looks so glamorous. It really
does. Yeah. And I used to do the

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the other side of that the
interviewing and the junkets and

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you're never happy. He's like,
You never get the guests long

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enough. You know, you can never
ask any, you can never build

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enough of a rapport that you can
ask a question that may be a

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little deeper or controversial
or thought provoking.

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The pre canned like the pre
script, where are you? Okay, you

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can only ask these things. And
you have that

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sometimes you'll have that. But
also you need for your piece,

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you need to get the basic things
out which everyone else is

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getting the same stuff. You
know, what's the movie about?

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What's the book about? What was
it like working with that

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directory and all that kind of
stuff? Okay, gotcha. So I've

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been on a junket for the cause
for the past. I guess week has

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been a week.

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It's like the the olive garden
tour of Italy. Tour podcast.

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Let me see. What do we have we
had? Was it the international

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podcast day?

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's the first one because I
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else before.

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There's something else too, but
I think that was all it was.

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Let me see. Hold on a second.
Let me I have a way of looking

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at this on a calendar. It should
work if I just do the whole

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month here. Gosh, I can never
get that to work.

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Are you a calendar guy? I mean,
do you like live and die by your

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calendar? No,

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no. Well, I know I only have you
know, my my junket stuff in

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there. That's why I'm trying to
look let's see, I had

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international podcast day. There
was some Dutch stuff and some

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Dutch stuff. Okay, well, Hotep
Jesus last Friday, that's what

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it is that came after right that
came after. After we did episode

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four of podcasting. 2.0.

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I feel dumb. I didn't know. I
had never heard of Hotep. Jay,

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everybody seems like they know
exactly what Hotep Jesus is best

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never even heard of it.

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Well, Rogan mentioned or I think
that he might have had Hotep on

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for a second or mentioned him I
can't remember exactly. And it's

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another version of a DDoS. You
know, it's an interesting group.

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But he's, he's deep into into
crypto just an interesting guy.

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He's a, and I liked that I liked
I liked speaking with

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interesting people. And I guess
my point I'm going to bring this

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up is I have an opportunity here
to make sure I don't stumble on

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something that happened the last
time we when we the first time

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we booted up podcasting. When
and I'm positioning myself as

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the person to get the word out
and to try and get developers in

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and try to basically promote the
whole concept. It's the cheapest

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way to do it is to abuse me for
that. What sometimes happens is,

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I mess up I say something wrong.
I talk about one project more

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than the other. So for instance,
I felt really bad on

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international podcast day when
the guys who were doing the show

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Todd and Mike who also were on
the on podcast, index dot

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social, they brought up pod
friend and he of course, I'm

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lyrical about pod friend and
then I couldn't remember cast

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coverage. It couldn't get number
the name like cast coverage.com.

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And you know, and it's
disappointing. It's

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disappointing for someone who's
poured their heart into it, you

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know, I could, I'd love to talk
about pod news and everything.

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There's so many different things
that are taking place browser or

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browser, it just so much stuff.
And so I'm trying to promote it

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while also trying to stay
interesting. And you know, it's

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just it's Sometimes it's just
hard. But I thought we got some

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great exposure international
podcast day got a lot of

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incoming emails from people who
are interested in. And of

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course, I send as many of them
as I can over to the, to the

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social. And it's quite a few
people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I

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think we have like 110 115
people now who are on, at least

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registered on the system. Yeah,
that's

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great. There's a lot of meaning
there's a lot of good

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discussions going on that are
not that are not just about the

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index itself. I mean, there's
great discussions about future

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RSS, RSS namespaces. And we know
work being done on other

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people's collections of feeds
and finish like in and then just

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general, like, like James
Cridland, he pops in here since

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he so he's like, you know, 12,
he's, he's 12 hours out of

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phase, right? Yeah, he pops in
and just like throws a couple of

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news bombs in there. And you
don't hear about him for the

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rest of the year for the rest of
the day. Everybody's like,

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asleep. Yeah, he's gone to
sleep.

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Yeah, there's always something
cool going on there. Yeah,

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there really is. And you're
right. It's good thought. And,

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gosh, I love Mastodon so much,
because it really, it doesn't

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have that all of these things
could turn into religious

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arguments, you know, about
technologies, etc. And I really

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think that it's this format, and
not the threaded format. So you

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could when, and I've just, I
just recall from my own

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experience with collaborative
projects like this, when it's

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really threaded, like a bulletin
board style, it can get pretty

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whacked, you know, and then you
really fall into a long

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discussion thread and you miss
all this other stuff. And then

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this is much more Twitter style,
but without the algo. So the

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stuff doesn't, you know, you
start you come in like, okay,

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oh, here's new stuff. I scroll
down. Oh, I saw that already.

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I'm done with that column. Okay.
There's nothing else to do. It's

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like, it's almost

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like the neat. It's like the
river style. It is reader's

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inbox. Yeah. And I think that's
very, very beneficial to us,

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then we missed off to of course,
that yeah, that's always the

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problem. Well, but my experience
is the stuff that needs to float

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back up does eventually.

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Yeah, let's say this morning, I
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roll this out. And you're in for
the beta, the beta site, and you

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were like, Oh, I had some stuff
that did need fix before we do

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that. So I had to scroll back
down, like, Oh, I missed this

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entire thing from you. So you
missed up, but that's fine. You

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go back in the like you said, a
float to the top, you can go

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back and find it.

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Exactly, exactly. And now Trent,
rightly says, Okay, can you put

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this into the GitHub now I'm
like, Oh, shit, I gotta figure

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out how to do that. And I was
like, Oh, my, what am I doing

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here?

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threw something out there. He's
like, can you put it on a

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Jabberwocky? or some crap? Like,
yeah, some word I've never even

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heard. Like,

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I don't know what to do either.
But I wouldn't have

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clicked on it. I'm like, this.
This is like four columns of

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blank that I don't understand.

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My my go to is Hey, Dave, can
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Jabberwocky for me? Like,
that'll be easy. Damn. Anyway,

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so international podcast, I
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appearance. And of course, I had
ringers because it had you know,

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Todd and Mike and, and are
involved in the project. So

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yeah, listen to it. That's a
great show. Yeah, I

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thought I thought I thought they
did a good job. And I didn't

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have much time to see all of it.
Because I had a dinner that

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night and then I went to I might
as well just throw this out

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there. Then I got had received
an invitation from Wheatstone

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group, and there's a mining
company out there right in the

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middle between College Station,
which were Texas a&m is and and

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Austin, and they've got Houston.
Not far. But anyway,

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otherwise known as the the third
level of hell.

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Yes. Oh, yeah.

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It's about 1000 degrees. Yeah,
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now it's still nice weather or
it's becoming nice weather here.

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But they're right. At the switch
point of the Texas grid. We have

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our own grid between East and
West Texas. And if I understood

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it, right, I think they said
they had 750 megawatts coming

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out of the station which is just
a huge pipe, but they're running

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60,000 bitmain mining machines
and it was unbelievable to see

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and these these guys were
further like crypto cowboys out

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there in the desert. Really,
really interesting. And yeah,

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I had a bit main I had a bit
main unit it was an ant, ant

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minor, gosh, like an S nine or s
eight some some mom is a few

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years ago when you could
actually you know when you can

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actually do it on a small scale
and mind some stuff and actually

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make some money and make a
little bit of profit. And but

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then you know, I had to I had
two of those. And I had mine

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some stuff, some bitcoin on my
CPU. And then before when that

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was feasible, and it was it
outgrew that Then I bought like

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a video card. I did the normal
progression regression, using my

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profits from the previous stuff
to buy new hardware. Right. So

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then I bought the hand miners,
the bitmain AntMiner. And about

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two of those units like by the
time that those pay themselves

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back and I got some profit, I
was like, You know what this is

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this?

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Is exponent exponential the
growth out Yeah. Now, so. So you

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also know then that it's all
about your power management. Yo,

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yeah, totally those things pump
out some sear. Yeah. So they

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would just show me how some of
that works and how they can turn

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machines on and off. But the
thing that tripped me out. Yeah,

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and they have L nines. And I
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20,000 M threes, which is the
next level for anyone who knows

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what that means. But these are,
you know, specific machines that

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just that's what they do is mine
mine crypto. But the way they

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you think they have a data
center. But nothing could be

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further from the truth. They've
come up with this gene ingenious

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concept, where they just have a
big shed, I mean, it's it was it

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was open, big, big open door on
the side, because they're moving

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stuff in and out. And they have
two walls parallel to each

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other, of just nothing but these
bitmain machines shoved in

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against the wall with the
machines, it has a fan on the

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back one of those kind of
standard big square fans, that

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is pushed through a hole in the
wall. And so in between those

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two walls, and they've covered
the sides, you basically have

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now a big funnel, where all the
hot air from these machines is

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blowing, blowing in and it blows
up and the roof is open. And all

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the heat dissipates through the
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What the sounds like what they
did is they created a gigantic

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tower PC case. Yes,

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yes, that's exactly what it is.
And we went in the middle, you

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know, the open up this door, the
pressure difference? He said no,

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don't don't worry when you go in
and equalize them. Like I'm

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either going into the furnace,
and I'm gonna die and how it

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goes. That's awesome. And yeah,
it was warm in there, of course,

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but just ingenious, really,
really fun to see what they were

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doing. That's cool. Anyway, so I
just thought I'd throw that out

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there. We hadn't actually talked
about it.

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You sent you sent, you sent me a
message. You're like, you know,

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this, this thing's crazy. I
gotta tell you about it. Like

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that. Yeah, that whole idea of
trying to manage that much. But

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the crazy thing about crypto
now, let's see, that's like the

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only way you can make money. I
mean, you can't, you can't mind

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on anything like a small scale.
And now it's just not, it's just

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not feasible. There's too much
horsepower out there.

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Yeah, all these these guys
definitely have quite the

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operation. There's a lot going
on in Austin. So I'd like

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connecting that community
because I have a feeling we'll

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be interacting with them one way
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of which, and I just finished an
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for his orange pill podcast with
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was a ruse, mainly about podcast
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mission statements are. And
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wanted me on because of that.
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controversial statements about
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That was controversial and
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exactly. But I also said, I
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not butthurt by it, I first of
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entertaining. I like seeing that
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something, you know, the reasons
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there's a tension now. And I'm
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and say, Hey, why don't we do
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mean, I've got all kinds of
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outside of something to come in
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sort of simplistic questions.
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that, because a lot of times
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myself doing this too, you know,
you're writing code, you're

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trying to get this stuff to
work, and, or you're involved in

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whatever, you know, whatever
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just kind of get in the tunnel,
and you don't see what's going

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on what's going on outside of
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then you have somebody comes in
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so, you're like, damn, I didn't
think about that. You know? Yes,

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it's very helpful to have
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because the technology the
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two years three years before I
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happened I saw the iPod and went
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is radio receivers, elite radio,
little transistor radio.

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Yeah, and that's those cool with
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International podcast day. All
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of time talking about just this
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you know, just these things are
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thought that was a good analogy.

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up. And then I want to get into
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was, because I've been, we
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Max, and that airs, I think,
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they had a viewer question. And
the viewer question was from our

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very own Maj. Weinstein, match
one matches. Match is on podcast

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index dot social, matches the
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the pod show days, she had a
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the match is having a lot of
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a show on Google. And then we
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continued to follow each other
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bogash forever. And so she
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technical. So she knows a lot of
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which is nice, you know, as a
frustrated user with shit

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doesn't want not working. Yeah.
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it's valid once I just want to
address our missions. Again,

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what we really can add on really
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going to be independent, and
it's not just some ploy to make

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some money off with millions.
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question. I want to make sure we
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hang with busted. Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Oops, we're done for the

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mission is first of all,
preserving podcasting as a

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platform for free speech. And
we're in the middle of that

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right now. I mean, that is the
entire idea is to have a

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functioning Mothership Core. And
if we can replicate this

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distributed IPFS it blockchain
it, I don't care what we come up

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with that takes the the single
point of failure out of it. That

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I mean, we are we're doing our
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by its has that has to remain in
that state, otherwise, no one

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will benefit and it all just
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is there. And I think anybody
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much every bit of code that they
would need to set it up and and

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replicate it. Am I correct?

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Yeah. Well, the core API code is
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not gonna
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I mean, it'll go up all of it'll
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please, please, I'd like you to
talk about that, specifically,

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because that is an important
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up on a GitHub or anything for
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Explain your methodology.

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But yeah, yeah, I mean, like, so
what we did with freedom

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controller and what another open
sourced a few things over the

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years. In addition to that, and
you've run into an issue, when

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you open source something very
quickly, I mean, open sourcing

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some piece, a significantly
large code base is not a small

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endeavor. You know, when, if
it's large enough, certain

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companies that decide to open
source something, they may spend

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months, with a with a team
dedicated to just going through

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and getting it ready to open
source. Now this, obviously,

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podcast index API is not to that
level. But it doesn't, it

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doesn't have to get very big
before you run into a lot of

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work to make something that's
ready to open source, you have

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to go through there and make
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documented correctly. Otherwise,
you're just dumping a bunch of

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garbage on people. And they, I
mean, nobody's gonna sit there

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and run through every line of
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code and try to figure out
what's going on, it has to be

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documented, and commented, it
also has, you have to get

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through there and make sure that
you didn't leave any static

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passwords, or configuration
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to your system that you're
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there and really just kind of go
line by line through through all

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your configuration files, you
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example would be I leave to do
markers all over my code, I'll

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just use JetBrains IDE. And if
you just do slash slash to do,

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it recognizes that as a keyword,
and you can filter when you get

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ready to do a commit or
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Hey, these are some outstanding
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there's those things are just
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throughout the code, and you
gotta go, sometimes those can be

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things you don't want the public
to see. Yeah, hey, remember to

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go do this thing because it'll,
you know, have this crazy

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effect, you know, and so, it's
kind of a big process to go

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through open sourcing a project.
So I'm just not ready to do that

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yet. that when I feel like it's
stable enough to where I can

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just sit back and let it run out
on its own, without, without

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having to do a lot of bug fixes
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then then that'll be the time
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and say, Okay, now I'm gonna go
through here and go line by line

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and look at everything and get
it ready to go. Because that

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it's not even going to be the
same repository, I'll create a

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new repository and begin to
manually move code over to that

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repository. So that it's just,
it's too big of a project right

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now. Right? Yeah, she can't do
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And, again, reiterating, this is
this is a community project.

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Yeah. We funded out of our
pocket initially. And now

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immediately, I need to thank
everybody who, who has helped us

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you know, the mantra of value
for value is time, talent,

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treasure. I have I have, we need
to track this because I really

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want to thank people. And I got
a list. Oh, thank you. Gosh, I

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knew you would do it. Dave. I
was afraid to ask but I'm just

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I'm just to strap for it. And so
let's do that right now. Let's

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just thank you. thank people for
the for the supporting

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everything.

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Yeah, I'm just gonna get through
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wrote everybody down. It's

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their amount of hours. Well,

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I'll get it all. Yeah, yeah.
Good, Martin. And I'm gonna hope

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I don't butcher names too bad.
But Martin Mouritsen? Was that

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how you would say that? Yeah, I

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think that's isn't that Martin
pod friend Martin pod friend?

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Martin gave us $100 donation I
think yesterday from pod friend.

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He's also on podcast index dot
social. Scott. Jalbert or

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Halbert? I'm not sure what the
J. He gave us 50 cent double

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nickels on the dollar 55 to a
single donation. See, he had a

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note.

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My gosh, Dave, can I just make a
comment? But you're a natural

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podcaster. Man, you're a natural
born podcast. Look at you hold

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on me to get my note here

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or I get the terrible room noise
and everything.

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Right there, brother.

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Okay, Scott Jalbert. I'm sorry,
Scott, if that's not your last

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name. Hey, guys, I want to thank
you for creating podcasts and

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index.org as proponent of
freedom. I believe this an

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important project. As I look
around to see parts of

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podcasting getting picked up and
privatized. I agree once that

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happens and money's involved,
the leverage is in place to

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censure and remove perceived
offenders as we have seen time

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and again, like most good
infrastructure, it will slowly

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fade into the background. So the
short term donations will fade

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out, as was mentioned in the
latest podcast, the only way I

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see this working is some
partnership maybe with players

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or CD ends are used to service
are you putting yourself on the

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market waiting for something to
swipe, swipe you with the right

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partner that goes into kind of
right into what you were talking

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about a second ago? If you if
you're doing jingles I'd love to

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hear just in your cash. Okay,
hold on a second. I don't know

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if that's appropriate. But

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I think it's actually super
appropriate. Let's see. Okay,

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here we go. I know a lot of
people want to send blankets or

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water. Just send your cash.

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We're crunching on sacred
territory there. Yeah. Thanks,

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God. Appreciate and Larry. Hey,
he says that he is, sir. Hey,

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moose. Oh, yes. A moose. Yeah,
yeah. Larry hasent 50 bucks. We

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can read his note. He said,
listening to Pa 2.0 Episode

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Four. I realized, as I do not
offer any dev or hosting skills,

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I do have a side gig that pays
me enough walk around money to

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assist in this effort for at
least $50 A month moving

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forward.

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That's really cool, man. I'd say
that's it time talent treasure.

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It's those three. It's that
simple. And whatever it's worth

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to you. Then we love that. Thank
you. And I that's that's

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appreciated.

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It says, Am I a dev? No. Can I
listen and share? Yes, yeah. We

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cannot beta test and rev point
nine nine or 1.0 software? Yep.

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Can I listen and learn? Yes.
Okay. I have been a says I have

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been in infrastructure for 30
years. I understand the nerd

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speak and have been director of
network infrastructure for two

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years now to one and a half
billion dollar global retail

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grocer.

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Wow. That's big. Yeah.

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I'm donating this financial
support because as I may not

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understand everything I do
understand that infrastructure

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is not free. I'm proud to be
able to enter at the ground

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level for supporting your
efforts and hope someday, we

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will all have our names on a
placard on Mars for keeping free

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speech free. Mere corporate
silencing of a single voice in

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the name of anti fascism or
political correctness is one to

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many I'm proud to be part of
something so important and look

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forward to seeing it mature into
something far greater than any

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of us can imagine. My kids are
young and won't appreciate what

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you're doing here until possibly
well after I'm gone, but it is

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well worth the investment. He
says Adam, I was joking about

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the grandfather bombshell email.
Hope you forgive me. It's all

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good. He said read it. So read
it. Yeah.

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That's very nice. That's very,
very kind. I like that. I really

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like hearing that.

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See, he just had no name here.
It's just email address CS

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Bowden. $25. single donation.
Thank you. Droid works, LLC. Do

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you know what that is? No, no,
no idea. Droid works. LLC has a

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$20 a month subscription.

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Great. Thank you. And that's
that's like 10% of our, almost

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of our monthly servers.

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Yet long that I'm gonna name
this are you gonna name the

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server name the web server works
LLC.

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This is great. You can sponsor a
server

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sponsor a server with a monthly
donation and a button. I mean,

437
00:26:08,069 --> 00:26:11,489
like if you come in afterwards,
with like, $1 more, you just get

438
00:26:11,489 --> 00:26:14,669
bumped. The other guy gets the
other guy gets thrown to the

439
00:26:14,669 --> 00:26:15,089
curb.

440
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:20,910
I love these levels. That's
great. server names.

441
00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:26,700
Jonathan's stutter or Studer $15
and monthly subscription. Let's

442
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:32,070
see he, he we can we can give
him an aggregator. You get

443
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:33,150
aggregator three.

444
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,630
Okay. You're gonna rename them?

445
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:38,640
Yeah, I'm gonna put a screenshot
out.

446
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:43,350
Dave, Dave, I love it.

447
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:51,690
Jason Miller $10 single one time
donation. None of these guests

448
00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:57,570
and no snack can find. Terry
Keller a 4.11. of subscription.

449
00:26:57,570 --> 00:27:01,920
I don't. I guess it means like
info. For one one. For one, one.

450
00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:08,010
Yeah. Our cheapest servers is is
five bucks for the beta www

451
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:10,170
server. Sorry, you don't get a
server?

452
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,000
You just missed the server
level.

453
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:19,380
Alex, Alex gates $10 month
subscription. Alex, you're gonna

454
00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:25,320
get aggregator aggregator too.
And Aaron Renaud I know that

455
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,100
name. And I don't know how on
how to spell the last name. r e

456
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,510
n n o w?

457
00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:34,950
Wow. It's I don't know.

458
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:37,950
It sounds so familiar. But I
don't know why. But anyway, $5

459
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:42,450
month subscription. Thank and
you will, you'll get the back.

460
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:47,280
We don't have another server. So
you get a backup. Okay. You get

461
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,800
the bigger you get the backup.
That was donated in the last

462
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,520
couple of weeks.

463
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:58,320
Well, thank you all so much. And
if anyone wants to jump in and

464
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,550
help, there's so many different
ways to do it. API dot podcast

465
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:06,090
index.org. If you haven't signed
up as a Dev, I can also sign up

466
00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:10,710
no does a search for sorry,
podcasts index dot social. And

467
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:14,370
we have a donate button at
podcast index. Ne also on the on

468
00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:18,780
the dev site, which I learned,
you know, my wife Tina is a

469
00:28:19,260 --> 00:28:22,620
marketing professional. And I
said now Donna, would you please

470
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:24,390
choose? Yes, of course. I'm
going to review this. You can't

471
00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:28,410
have this go out without my
approval. So nice. She's real.

472
00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:31,200
She didn't she's really smart.
She catches typos. like a crazy

473
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,860
person too.

474
00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:34,950
And I'm so bad about that. Oh,
yeah, me too.

475
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,740
Although if I'm reviewing
someone else's work, it's much

476
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:41,400
easier that's that's actually
the way it works. Fresh elbows.

477
00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:45,840
Yeah. And and she said she said
can you make the donation button

478
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,490
read? I'm like, I don't know. I
said I think it's I wonder is

479
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:53,280
that a Pay Pal standard and I
look at the button like nah,

480
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,700
that looks like that was me
which way I said now? I don't

481
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,290
know. She said red is Miss like
every nonprofit knows this. So

482
00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:04,980
we're not really a nonprofits.
It's a bigger, bigger and redder

483
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:08,940
Yeah, red and so uova red is our
color so we might as well we got

484
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:10,170
our logo.

485
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:15,270
I wonder what the magic is with
red that's weird. And it's like

486
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:16,980
this like them when you're
selling your house they tell you

487
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:21,210
to paint your door like yellow
it's dice like David Daley the

488
00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:21,870
magic that

489
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,440
is so interesting because we
were looking for our for our

490
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,530
house in Austin. And this Tina
had seen this one on line or

491
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:36,720
whatever. And it had a yellow
door and she said how guy that

492
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,920
has that and I also really I was
repelled by it. But I decided

493
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,350
when it let me just go take a
look. And it really it ticked

494
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:46,860
all the boxes but it had this
horrible yellow door. So you

495
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:48,870
know we sat down with the
builder like hey, you want to

496
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:52,590
listen negotiate. We say well,
we need to we need to get rid of

497
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,990
the door has to be painted a
different color. And it's a

498
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:59,310
father son drew homes in Dallas.
And the father says to the Son

499
00:29:59,370 --> 00:30:03,600
he has seen He, I told you it
was a dumb idea. Apparently

500
00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:06,360
they've been trying to sell the
place and they put the yellow

501
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,010
door on as like this. We'll get
this we'll sell it for sure. We

502
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,070
like that's the worst. It was
such a detractor. We almost

503
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:15,480
didn't even come view it

504
00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:18,509
because of the door. Yeah,
that's the one thing everybody's

505
00:30:18,509 --> 00:30:21,839
like yellow door instant sale?
No like, no gross.

506
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:28,950
Yeah did not work with us it was
really funny. Anyway, so yes,

507
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:32,100
the donation button for support
and for supporting the index

508
00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:35,220
have a server named after yet.
This is a great promotion. I

509
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,620
love the I love this. This is so
fun. And you know who's gonna

510
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:39,870
laugh her ass off his tea. Now
she's gonna laugh when I tell

511
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:42,330
her this. We came up with a
level you can even you're

512
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,620
sponsoring a server?

513
00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:47,370
Yes. Sorry, you may get a
backup. Sorry. Yeah.

514
00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:50,129
Well, I'm sure there'll be more
aggregators and stuff in our

515
00:30:50,129 --> 00:30:56,759
life in our future. Okay, so, so
much for the PR part of the

516
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,519
show. Gosh, tell me, how was the
rest of your week? Dave? It's

517
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:03,629
been crazy.

518
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:09,360
Yes, it's been. It's been busy,
I had a little bit of a, of a

519
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:14,100
code disaster. And I don't think
that anybody noticed that much.

520
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:18,480
Although I did. Somebody did
make a pull request on the on

521
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,200
the documentation repo today to
fix something I think was

522
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,940
related. But here's, here's just
a word to the wise, do not keep

523
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:35,220
your code, no matter how
attractive this may sound, do

524
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:41,310
not keep your code in a folder
tied to a sync service, like

525
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:41,940
Dropbox

526
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:46,440
or sync.com are a good way for
something to get deleted it.

527
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,020
So I use sync.com and a half for
a long time. And just to keep,

528
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,310
so I can work on multiple
machines. And I have no idea

529
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:59,880
what happened. But it didn't
lose anything. But it just

530
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,730
started creating new how Dropbox
or OneDrive does where it'll

531
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,870
create those conflict files. It
just started creating that crap

532
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:11,520
all over the place. Me it proved
to me probably a day to dig out

533
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,720
and figure out what what the
pattern was. I think I got

534
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,430
everything put back together. I
mean, it wasn't like it was

535
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:20,580
awful. But it mostly affected
the documentation repo and a

536
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:23,850
little bit of the main API
stuff. I think I've dug out of

537
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:25,860
the hole right now. But man, it
was a brain tumor. So

538
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,020
you had to rebuild stuff. No, I

539
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:30,840
didn't have to rebuild anything,
I just basically had to take it

540
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,060
out, figure out what files that
it affected and take. then

541
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:39,120
figure out what it had done,
like when it renamed to a

542
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,790
conflict file was old one or the
new brother just painted.

543
00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:51,360
Anyway, I think I'd dug out of
that hole. But most of the code

544
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,510
work this week has been back in
the in the parser. Now, I've

545
00:32:57,510 --> 00:33:03,360
been trying, I've been finding
some SQL issues with the recent

546
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,220
episode with the recent
episodes, call. And that's a

547
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:12,570
really important call. A lot of
people use that. And so I'm

548
00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:16,080
gonna trying to go very slow,
and try to make sure that we've

549
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:19,800
been putting all the filtering
into it. So you can filter by

550
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,330
language and categories and all
that jazz. And so it's take, I'm

551
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:27,720
having to go really slow and
make sure that that call is rock

552
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,060
solid, because that's one of the
things that people use the most.

553
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:30,540
It's

554
00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:34,410
a fun call. Yeah, it's really
fun because and I see people

555
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:38,190
doing a lot of calls with this,
particularly language, I see a

556
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:38,490
lot of,

557
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:41,219
it'd be so much better, and it's
gonna be so much better when all

558
00:33:41,219 --> 00:33:45,839
the filtering is put in. But
there's, there's just some

559
00:33:46,439 --> 00:33:51,359
issues with the table design, I
believe it's causing, if I put a

560
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:56,849
lower boundary, if I put a lower
boundary on the time, then the

561
00:33:56,849 --> 00:34:02,369
call is very quick. If I don't
on the published date for the

562
00:34:02,369 --> 00:34:07,679
item, if I know sort of put a
sane starting limit, it wants to

563
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:11,309
do a full table scan, and I
still have not figured out Oh, I

564
00:34:11,309 --> 00:34:13,409
could take that could take it
could be like a five minute

565
00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:17,039
Yeah, that's kind of weird.
That's not possible now. So I'm

566
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,469
still kind of re of it. It's a
big complicated SQL statement.

567
00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:26,579
But I'm getting I'm trying to
avoid things like sub selects in

568
00:34:26,579 --> 00:34:31,079
that sub sequels and that kind
of stuff. So I'm just kind of

569
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:33,749
been going around about with
that. But the other work has

570
00:34:33,749 --> 00:34:39,479
been mainly in the parser.
Again, where I think it was

571
00:34:39,479 --> 00:34:46,019
Todd, from blueberry. He typed
into the to the to the mastodon

572
00:34:46,019 --> 00:34:49,469
and said that one of his
engineers noticed that when he

573
00:34:49,469 --> 00:34:55,889
submitted to the feet and
submitted a new feed that if you

574
00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:58,919
put in query a query string at
the end of the URL, it did not

575
00:34:58,919 --> 00:34:59,969
get flagged as a duplicate.

576
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360
bah bah, yes, yeah, I saw that
thread. But that's something

577
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,710
happens later, I guess.

578
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,160
Yeah. Okay. And so that's worth
talking about for a minute, if

579
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,300
we're going to do some techie
stuff, like, with the way that

580
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,950
we've, or the way with the way
that system works is that when

581
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:22,140
you submit a feed, it tries to
do everything possible not to

582
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:27,720
not to be slow or blocked. And
so one of the things that what

583
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,550
you will, okay, here's what you
would like, let me let me

584
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:33,210
rephrase this, what you would
want to happen is, when somebody

585
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:37,380
submits a feed URL, is at the
moment they submit it, you would

586
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:40,110
want to go through and do a
whole bunch of checks, you'd

587
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:43,890
want to say, even want to check
in, make sure the URL is sane,

588
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:48,000
make sure it doesn't produce a
404 or something like that, when

589
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,020
you try to pull it, you would
want to parse it out and make

590
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:56,490
sure that the XML is not broken,
make sure that it has mp3 ease,

591
00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:59,850
and instead errors or enclosures
in it. And it's not just some

592
00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:03,270
random RSS feed, you want to go
through and do a whole lot of

593
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:08,010
that kind of thing. But you
can't really do that and make

594
00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:12,090
the call fast. Because you're
gonna block while you're sitting

595
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:15,240
here waiting on the server to
pull the feed and do all these

596
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,820
crazy checks. So what we do is
we just take the feed, like

597
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:25,200
whatever some, you know, we have
permissions levels for the Read

598
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,370
Write keys and publisher keys.
So we say, Okay, we've trusted

599
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:33,240
you enough to give you this key
because we, you know, we've sort

600
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,660
of vetted you so to speak, we
trust you enough to give you a

601
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,420
raid right key. So we're just
going to trust that you're not

602
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:43,290
going to give us intentionally
give us crap, right? So we say

603
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,820
we'll just take the feed, and
then a process comes along

604
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:53,040
later, and pulls it as part of
the note the normal polar, and

605
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,530
then the parser. And all this
stuff. It just happens in the

606
00:36:55,530 --> 00:37:01,080
normal flow. But one thing that
has that I've never been

607
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,650
satisfied with is the the say
what I'm trying to say is the

608
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:06,810
duplication checks and all that
jazz come later.

609
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,030
Yeah. Do we just quickly do we
place a flag if it's a dupe so

610
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:17,940
that the the AP, the person who
submitted through the API can

611
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:18,510
check,

612
00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:22,950
there is not exposed? Okay. And
that's the part of the problem

613
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:27,030
that that's what I don't like,
okay. And there's a there's a

614
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:35,130
record, excuse me a field in the
feeds added table, where, and it

615
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:39,600
says duplicate. So it just links
over to the ID that it thinks

616
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,430
it's a duplicate of, but it's
always it's only, it's only

617
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:50,520
checking on a hash of the raw
content of the feed. Which is a

618
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,080
problem because it's a literal
copy. Yeah, it's it only picks

619
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,080
up as literal copy. And this No,
no, when I say Duplicate, I'm,

620
00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:01,020
this is not trying to detect
fraud phases are just pure

621
00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:06,450
accidental duplication. So it,
it just pulls a copy of the feed

622
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:09,690
and looks to see if anything
else matches the hash. Right? If

623
00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:12,150
it does, it flags it, but
there's a lot of fees like we've

624
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:15,810
talked about before that auto
refresh their pub date. And last

625
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:17,160
build date every time you write,

626
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:21,150
which would give you a different
MD five or hash. Check.

627
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:22,050
checksum.

628
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,840
There you go. Exactly. Yeah,
give you a different hash value

629
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,830
every time which is no good,
right? So some of this stuff is

630
00:38:28,830 --> 00:38:31,320
just was in place, like we got
into we need to put some out

631
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,740
there.

632
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,260
Can you do all three? Can you do
a free snapshot? No, I guess

633
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:40,530
that doesn't work. If it changes
now. Okay. Don't ask me about

634
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:43,170
any technical stuff. I need to
shut up.

635
00:38:43,650 --> 00:38:49,530
So what what I came up with, and
I'll just say, there's a note,

636
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:55,470
man, what I came up with is a
date instead of there's now

637
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:59,940
there's there's two hashes. One
hash is the raw hash, which

638
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,480
determines whether or not the
feed gets pulled. And there's

639
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,500
another hash, which is just a
subset of the content, and that

640
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:12,990
is probably going to be stable.
And that is, the way it's

641
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:16,200
working now is it's like a
concatenation of a bunch of

642
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,100
different values, the title of
the feed, the description, the

643
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:25,740
generator, a few different other
text values. And then it's also

644
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:33,330
the last 15 characters of every
enclosure element URL within the

645
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:38,130
feed of the first 20 items,
pulls the first 20 items, gets

646
00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,070
the last 15 characters out of
age and then puts it together in

647
00:39:41,070 --> 00:39:45,630
one big long string, adds it to
those other stay to those other

648
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:51,390
text values, like the title and
such, and then hashes that. So

649
00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:57,780
we say well, this value is
probably going to be as stable

650
00:39:57,780 --> 00:40:01,980
as you can get. Because you're
going to have the title, the

651
00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:05,970
description, all that stuff that
rarely changes, right? And if

652
00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:10,470
you happen to hit it between
episodes, every now and then,

653
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:14,430
then it will, it'll pick it up
again on the next round. So

654
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:17,430
you're not penalized, right? Not
right away. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

655
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,070
Because because the way this is
going to happen is it's going to

656
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:27,510
be running. The existing one is
running now on on one of the

657
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:30,180
aggregators, but this is going
to run on its own small server,

658
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,830
and along with some other

659
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:34,860
Donate now to have your name on
this server,

660
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,820
the Duke checker.

661
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,200
Well, that's an expensive one.
That's an important piece of

662
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,340
machinery. Right? Yes.

663
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,670
dollars a month do checker. So
anyway, that that's what I've

664
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:50,190
been working on. So they did add
it required adding some extra

665
00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:52,800
columns to the to the news feed
table now.

666
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:57,510
Did I see a lot of discord, some
discussion about fraud feeds?

667
00:40:57,570 --> 00:40:59,820
And at least there was something
I think the beginning of the

668
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:02,760
week that was going back and
forth, and I, I kind of lost

669
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,570
track of that one.

670
00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:09,780
Yeah. This the account, sphinx
underscore chat. Yeah. Yeah. In

671
00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:13,470
the podcast, and did you look at
that and see the video that they

672
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,470
send unofficial girl or boy, but
what they sent?

673
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:18,090
No, no, I didn't see it.

674
00:41:18,569 --> 00:41:21,419
Yeah, they posted, you should go
check that out. Because they

675
00:41:21,419 --> 00:41:23,909
posted this thing that they put
together, where they're

676
00:41:23,909 --> 00:41:26,429
basically calling they're,
they're looking at the recent

677
00:41:26,429 --> 00:41:34,709
feeds, recently added feeds API.
And whenever they, they take the

678
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:35,249
fee.

679
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,740
Okay, how much like can I play
this? Is it worth listening to

680
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:38,850
the audio? Or is it just

681
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:41,940
your audio? I don't know if
there's audio? Oh, let me say

682
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:42,990
they can make the video. Oh,

683
00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:47,910
it was the YouTube YouTube video
database. That's, that's the

684
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:52,500
link of me. Oh, boy, that was
scary. Oh, this back, here we

685
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:56,070
go. Yeah, we're catching
fraudulent feeds,

686
00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:02,220
is the thing. They just put
they're doing it with like human

687
00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:05,460
HR, human intelligence. They're
just showing you the fraud

688
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:09,030
phase. And then they make
another call. They look at the

689
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:13,890
new feeds, then make another
call afterwards to the search on

690
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:17,130
the database, and try to find
something that has similar

691
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:21,240
naming and they show and all and
you just manually tap it to say,

692
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,070
Yeah, this, we think this is
fraud.

693
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,780
But check this out. No, look at
this. I'll just read it. This is

694
00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:31,620
fascinating. Yeah, we created a
proof of concept for catching

695
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,130
fraudulent feeds, we make an API
call to recents, one times a

696
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,440
day. Then for each new feed, we
call search, we show up to the

697
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,100
top 10 results, we show up to
the top 10 results to human if

698
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,340
they find a duplicate, we can
flag that ID for further review.

699
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:50,220
The human tasks worker gets a
few cents of Bitcoin for their

700
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:55,890
time. Yes. Yes to that. How do
we integrate this? How do we

701
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:56,820
integrate this?

702
00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:02,820
I'm not sure he, he she said
that they were going to leave it

703
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:05,370
running for about a week just to
see if they just see how it

704
00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:06,810
worked. And

705
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:10,890
what a great Oh, my God, this is
this is the stuff man, this is

706
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,720
it. I love this.

707
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,420
Because, you know, I was
thinking like, we need to give

708
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:18,720
API endpoints for a and all this
kind of stuff. And they're like,

709
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:21,960
Well, no interest do this. Well,
why didn't I think about that?

710
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:22,560
That's cool.

711
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:26,880
Fanta, I you know, it's
interesting. And I just asked

712
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,160
the question, I ran into sphinx
chat, really, in some of my

713
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,850
research, you know, people
pitching me ideas about payments

714
00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:41,070
and stuff. And, and I think
they're the ones that did this.

715
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:45,960
To do like a chat was pretty
impressive little demo. I have

716
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,210
to delve into that some more.
I've just been, I've been too

717
00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:52,230
busy whoring out our project. I
want to get back into this. I

718
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:53,850
don't want to be doing this all
day.

719
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,590
I know, ya know, they have their
they do definitely do some

720
00:43:58,590 --> 00:44:02,490
crypto stuff and distributed and
decentralized. I mean, they're

721
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:07,290
definitely all in on that camp.
And so cool. Yeah, that kind of

722
00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:11,910
stuff can be I'm really excited
to see if this works out. And

723
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:15,150
I'd love to make that super
cool. Something that sticks, you

724
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:15,450
know?

725
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:21,390
Well, and I definitely am. Oh my
gosh, my head is spinning. So

726
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:24,540
cool when I think about this
stuff. Okay, good. Excellent. So

727
00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:25,050
that's

728
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:30,120
existing API calls and they're
like, videos super simple. But

729
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,620
they're added the added the sort
of like the Mechanical Turk

730
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:35,550
mechanism. Right,

731
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:38,970
right. Right. I think I think
they've made some other

732
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,520
distributed AP examples that
I've seen. Yeah. Okay. i I'm

733
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,670
going to reach out to them.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, beyond just

734
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:53,370
the Macedon just talk to human.
I'm old school that way. Yeah,

735
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:56,220
totally. Something else that
popped up the Pub Sub. And it

736
00:44:56,220 --> 00:45:02,130
was an interesting question for
me per Recently, I forgot who

737
00:45:02,190 --> 00:45:06,030
posed it saying, I wish that
Adam could trigger the Pub Sub

738
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:10,170
so that it would aggregate
immediately. And it would show

739
00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:14,280
up in the most recent news feed.
And to me that was like, hell

740
00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:16,830
can you Is there a button I can
push? Is there something I can

741
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:20,130
do? That's kind of fun. As you
know, I have a whole routine

742
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:24,210
after I publish the show anyway,
I'm doing something to Twitter.

743
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:26,070
And now we've made it much
easier with a freedom

744
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:29,910
controller. But that would be my
obvious question. Can you put a

745
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:32,850
call into the freedom controller
just like I click Twitter, I

746
00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:37,290
click mastodon. And now I click
Pub Sub, or the index.

747
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,260
Yeah. Oh, yeah, till we can
totally put that in there. But

748
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:42,420
you could do it now just
manually with a bookmark in your

749
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:44,040
browser tab in your browser.

750
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,210
Well, you say that Dave Jones,
but you're gonna have to give me

751
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:50,910
you have to give me some code
and show me what to do.

752
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,670
Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Yeah.
Now that's that's that's dead

753
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:55,890
simple. I'm a you're a dad, if
you've got keys. And so you can

754
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:57,600
you can trigger anytime I got to

755
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,310
use that jingle. jangles can go
yes. I'm that guy. I was I'm

756
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:07,230
home monitor. I got key.
keychain safety retro. Yeah. So

757
00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:09,060
watch out. devs.

758
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,550
Do you Do you remember? Gosh,
this has been forever ago.

759
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:19,650
Again, I think I think it was
daily source code. Do you

760
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:23,730
remember how you used to do the
thing where you'd get like the

761
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:29,370
first? Like six seconds of a
song and you had like, Oh, yum.

762
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:32,520
Paulette Snipper hit? Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, yeah.

763
00:46:32,910 --> 00:46:35,670
Every time you start singing a
little ditty, I always remember

764
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:36,600
reminds me that.

765
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,140
I love that because what did we
call it the hit Test? I think we

766
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:43,860
call it the hit. That's it young
young poet who I haven't I kind

767
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:48,090
of lost touch with him. He's
blind or legally blind. So he

768
00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:51,900
had this really uncanny knack
for, for identifying stuff with

769
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:56,790
sound. And so he started doing
this little game where he have a

770
00:46:56,790 --> 00:47:00,630
little quick, he'd sent me two
files, one with this intro and

771
00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:05,160
had everybody jump out here with
Adam curry sent to us. And they

772
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,530
put like a little snippet of a
song. And then I would have to

773
00:47:07,530 --> 00:47:10,830
guess what it was. Now if it's
anything within the ad, well,

774
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:18,300
actually 60s 70s 80s and half of
the 90s I can definitely get it

775
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:19,740
and then have your all over it.
I

776
00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:21,690
never heard you miss one. Then
he,

777
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:26,190
but then he had the payoff where
he would, you know, I would

778
00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:29,250
never listen to that. I just, in
fact that Melissa either want to

779
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:33,060
just do it live and just. Yeah.
And just grab it. Yeah, that was

780
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:35,430
fine. It's good. To have a good
times.

781
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:41,970
Yeah, that's, let's see. Yeah.
So the other thing, what we want

782
00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:43,620
to do tech stuff, we're gonna
talk about some other stuff,

783
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:47,430
whatever you want to talk about,
you know, I think yes, please

784
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:51,390
tell us we should talk about
textiles. Good. The other

785
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:56,400
thing that I was really thinking
about this, or looking at this

786
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:04,350
week was how to get rid of old
items. And that's probably not

787
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:11,820
even the right way to describe
it. So phone boy in the mastodon

788
00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:15,630
said, No, I deleted an item out
of my feed, and it's still

789
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:17,700
there. And

790
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,200
oh, yeah. Okay, this is yeah,
that's donors

791
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,910
next. And this goes back to
another issue that we've been

792
00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:31,830
talking about is, is how to
help. I'm trying to find the

793
00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:34,950
right way to word it, actually.
Because it's not just a matter

794
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:38,310
of rolling off fees that are no
longer in rolling off items that

795
00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:42,300
are no longer in the feed. It's
sort of a bigger question about

796
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:49,920
do you take items away? Well,
let me come at this from a

797
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,180
different angle. The New York
Times I don't know if you

798
00:48:54,180 --> 00:48:56,940
followed that story with their
caliphate.

799
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:59,670
No, no, no, no. What's going on?
Yeah.

800
00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:03,690
Okay. So their podcast, never
podcast called caliphate.

801
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:08,940
Yeah, hi, everybody. It's the
Nazi podcast. All right,

802
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:12,900
caliphate. Yeah. So you so you
haven't heard any of this? No, I

803
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,180
don't. I have no idea what's
going on. Okay.

804
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:18,749
To get a sense of what is PLAY
CLIP one New York Times

805
00:49:18,749 --> 00:49:19,229
caliphate.

806
00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:27,420
The blood was just it was one
and it sprayed everywhere. And

807
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,610
the guy cried was crying and
screaming. He did not die after

808
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:37,050
the first time. The second time
or so he probably crunched over

809
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:49,110
those it's hard. I had to stab
him multiple times. And then can

810
00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:50,520
we put him up on a cross

811
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,000
and I had to leave a dagger in
his heart. And then there's a

812
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:05,220
sign that said it had Hold on
it. And, like 166 and drugs and

813
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:08,670
alcohol. offense. All right.
Okay.

814
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:15,090
So this is a podcast about this
guy who's Canadian who

815
00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:22,830
supposedly left and went over to
Syria to join the jihad. Okay.

816
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,180
Well, he got. And this is like a
10 part series from New York

817
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:32,910
Times he got arrested last week,
I think and comes out and the

818
00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:35,670
whole thing was fraud. The whole
thing was made up. None of it

819
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:39,030
ever happened. And so then

820
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:43,440
that who was the whole podcast
was fraud, or just this guy's

821
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,400
story was fraud.

822
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:47,340
This guy's story was fraud. But
the whole podcast is based on

823
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:47,490
this.

824
00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:50,910
It's a problem. Yeah, I can see
the issue.

825
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,620
And so they, they, evidently,
the Royal Canadian Mounted

826
00:50:55,620 --> 00:51:00,690
Police arrested this guy,
because they were like, This is

827
00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:03,900
scary. Nobody wants it like a
terrorist living right next to

828
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,290
him. So they arrest this guy
start digging into it. And it

829
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:09,510
turns out, it's all fake. He
did. None of this stuff ever

830
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:14,400
happened. And so then the New
York Times says, and I was

831
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,770
reading this and Matt to a Matt
Taibbi article. He said, The New

832
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:24,300
York Times basically said, Well,
we were just saying that we were

833
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,650
exploring the topic. It wasn't
we never certified that it was

834
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:30,090
that it was actually true.

835
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,340
Like the rest of the
republication.

836
00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:39,870
So he says he was going, he came
to them. And they were just

837
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:43,230
like, they were just saying his
story that they never claimed

838
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:46,710
that it was true. Always was
possible that it had an element

839
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:49,620
of fiction, actually playing it
off. Like they were like, look,

840
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:49,890
this is

841
00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:51,780
just a podcast, man.

842
00:51:52,890 --> 00:51:58,020
That that's what I wanted to ask
you. Yeah. You've always said

843
00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:01,470
that there's this element of
podcasting, where people sort of

844
00:52:01,470 --> 00:52:06,480
let their guard down, that
anything goes. Okay, that ties

845
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,370
back into the getting rid of
stuff that's not there. Now,

846
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:14,850
they left there, they left this
up, and they've they've doubled

847
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:21,930
down on it. They said, We We
stand by this podcast, as a

848
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,480
storytelling device. Right.

849
00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:26,760
Right. It's a total work of
fiction.

850
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:31,110
Yeah, exactly. And even though
you can, you know, listening

851
00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:33,390
that clip, nobody thinks that
that sounds like a work of

852
00:52:33,390 --> 00:52:33,840
fiction.

853
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:37,410
But no, sounded quite real.

854
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:43,140
What if, what if they did take
it down? That makes me wonder,

855
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:48,960
just because they take the
episodes offline? Should we?

856
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,910
Because the main, this happens
sometimes in the freedom

857
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:59,220
controller, haha, I gotcha.
You'll have thing. This happens.

858
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,140
Actually, quite often, I'll see
something pop up in my in my new

859
00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:11,220
in my feed. And then like maybe
three or four items up the line,

860
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:14,370
I'll see this what looks like
the same headline. It was

861
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:18,540
because they post they posted
something to their RSS feed, and

862
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:22,470
then made a correction to it and
report in in fixed it. And the

863
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:26,760
RN frame controller picked it up
as two separate items. Yeah,

864
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:31,110
this is the GU ID issue. And,
and it's very, very tricky

865
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:31,770
stuff.

866
00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:35,190
And you'll see it a lot of
times, because what happens is

867
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:39,150
you click on the face, you click
on that on the title to go to

868
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:45,150
it. And the link is for a Ford.
Right. And there have been times

869
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:47,430
I don't know if you've ever
experienced this. But there's

870
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:49,980
there's been a handful of times
where I've seen something in the

871
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:54,000
river. And I've thought whoa,
that's actually a big deal. And

872
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,040
I click on it, it's gone. And
it's gone.

873
00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:59,040
But you haven't we have the
aggregated copy in the

874
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,850
aggregator?

875
00:54:00,030 --> 00:54:03,930
Yes. It never shows back up. And
I'm so glad at those times that

876
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:05,280
I that I have that?

877
00:54:05,610 --> 00:54:08,550
Well, that's actually how a lot
of things, how people, I mean,

878
00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:12,120
they used to catch a lot of that
back in the Google Reader days

879
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:16,980
when RSS reading was still a
thing. And remember, we let it

880
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,860
get centralized. And we all fell
in love with it. And then they

881
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:24,270
blew it up. Remember that
people? It's lesson? Yeah,

882
00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:26,610
there'll be all looked at New
York. And in fact, there is

883
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,720
there's a couple of Twitter bots
out there who are continuously

884
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,100
checking the New York Times. And
the end it says shows different.

885
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:39,570
It shows changes over time to a
story as they're made. So you

886
00:54:39,570 --> 00:54:42,960
can get into that just I guess
they're just trolling it all day

887
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,900
long. I'm not quite sure how
they, how they know how they

888
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,350
know when to check for a change.
Same with Wikipedia essentially.

889
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,180
There's a lot of that going on.
But I think your question is,

890
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,840
what do we do? What does the
index do?

891
00:54:58,260 --> 00:55:04,410
Exactly what is theirs? There's
this technical question of, you

892
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:05,760
can't keep everything forever,

893
00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:09,120
here's how I think it should go.
Okay, because, well, here's my

894
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,680
experience. And then let's, this
will be a jumping off point. So

895
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,840
first of all I've had many times
in my life, the issue of Oh

896
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,980
crap, I screwed that up, I've
got to go in, I've got to fix

897
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:28,410
the RSS feed. Now, I don't have
to tell you what happens when

898
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,950
our RSS feed goes up. I mean,
the amount of bandwidth and

899
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:36,330
connections is just it's it's
quite absurd, and the amount of

900
00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:43,800
the data we're pushing. And if I
need, so usually, it's like, I

901
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,340
mess something up by screw the
title up, I need to fix it. So

902
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,870
that shows up properly in
people's apps. changing that, if

903
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:55,950
I do it quickly, then I can, you
know, the change the GU ID,

904
00:55:57,330 --> 00:56:02,160
which will then hopefully make
most apps realize, ah, this is a

905
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,700
change. And it just reflects
that change, and but it will

906
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:10,140
show it as new. And in the worst
case scenario, which happens

907
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:16,320
with a lot of apps, there's
another download, which may not

908
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,020
seem like a big deal. And it's
not to me, from a statistical

909
00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:22,230
standpoint, I don't need to know
the numbers. But it's really a

910
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:25,650
waste of resources. It's a
human, you're telling everybody

911
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,710
Oh, on here is that 150 megabyte
file, go ahead, download it.

912
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:32,610
Again, it's just a stupid waste
of resources. On both sides, by

913
00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:39,870
the way, it gets trickier. This
is a very actual problem. Amidst

914
00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:42,750
all of Dave's week, I also threw
out there Hey, man, well

915
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:45,330
actually just happened a couple
of weeks ago, we talked about on

916
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:49,800
the show. My AWS Bill was
hosting show notes and images,

917
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,950
basically, for the show notes
and assets. It was up to like,

918
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,410
was it 13 1400 bucks a month? It
was it was?

919
00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:59,280
No, it was like 17? Yeah, it was
it was grown

920
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,460
out of control. And we were just
busy and like, okay, yeah, I

921
00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:06,270
didn't want to bug day. But of
course, he he found out and then

922
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:09,570
you immediately start to change
stuff. And then we decide on,

923
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:12,360
we'd have to go through the
whole setup. But basically,

924
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,960
thank you Cloudflare. But we set
up a whole bunch of things and

925
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,380
read rejiggered things. And so
the URL changed. And anyone

926
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:22,350
who's been testing our index,
and has looked at no agenda,

927
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:25,470
like the images are broken,
they're gone, whatever, even

928
00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:30,930
though I had changed them in the
RSS feed. It really that never

929
00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:37,560
refreshes for most podcast apps,
even if you change the geo ID,

930
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,950
but then again, you know, I try
to keep 10 or 15 episodes in our

931
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:44,730
feed, not too much, because you
have no idea how inefficient

932
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,200
polling is. I mean, it's really
inefficient. And you can't, we

933
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,500
can't be serving up megabytes of
time, every single time someone

934
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:55,170
wants to look at the whole feed,
which happens a lot more than

935
00:57:55,170 --> 00:58:03,720
you'd think. So the way I would
prefer it to be, and whatever,

936
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:06,480
you know, whatever system and I
think it's a more universal

937
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,530
problem of people implementing
it. I just want a mirror of my

938
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:17,820
feed in the system. Okay. I
think it's great if you catch

939
00:58:17,820 --> 00:58:21,540
something, but if you delete it,
it's just a wasted resource and

940
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,610
go to archive.org. I don't think
that's the core business of the

941
00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:31,800
index. And I'm not stating any
any policy. I'm just thinking

942
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,250
out loud. It seems like we just
we're just there to help you

943
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:37,710
with whatever's there. If people
Yeah, because I can just see

944
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:40,890
people like, oh, I want that. I
don't want to we can deal with

945
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:44,460
that. If you if we should
replicate the feed, I think

946
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:47,670
that's the easiest way the owner
of the feed determines what they

947
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:49,980
expose in the database. Is that
fair?

948
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,910
Yeah, I think it's fair, because
there's two, there's kind of

949
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:56,520
two, two questions. There's the
philosophical question, which

950
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,360
your be No. I mean, well, you're
kind of going both technical and

951
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
philosophical. But there's,
there's kind of that that

952
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,280
philosophical question of, you
know, if somebody deletes

953
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,520
something out of their feed, you
don't, they don't want it,

954
00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:11,460
they've determined is not
valuable, right? Or, or they

955
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:14,400
don't want it there. And you
want to honor that. And so but

956
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,420
then there's the other question
of just a purely technical

957
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:21,090
question, where it's like, we
can't, we can't keep everything

958
00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:26,220
and you also want to be, you
know, this is the funny thing

959
00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:29,160
is, you know, deleting things
out of a database is expensive,

960
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,690
too. Yeah, it's not free. It's
not free. Yeah. Especially at

961
00:59:33,690 --> 00:59:37,050
the scale of, you know, million
and a half feeds. Because you're

962
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:40,560
talking about, you know,
there's, you know, 40 million

963
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,690
episodes listed in, in the index
now. And so, if you start

964
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,380
potentially hundreds and
hundreds of database calls, you

965
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:53,490
know, every, every couple of
minutes to delete old stuff,

966
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,980
right? So it has to be done in
sort of like a methodical way

967
00:59:58,980 --> 01:00:02,280
where you're not just hammering
the database and trying to clean

968
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,470
up after itself every second,
right. And so, you know, think

969
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:12,330
what I've settled on is one of
the fields I added this week

970
01:00:12,330 --> 01:00:17,190
was, there's always been a field
called newest, newest item, pub

971
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:19,980
date, which is just the, you
know, the most latest item

972
01:00:20,010 --> 01:00:23,220
timestamp. And and then now
there's an oldest item, pub

973
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:27,990
date, think that an egg is
populated when it's parsed. And

974
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:32,160
then I think the way I'm going
to do it, it's just anything

975
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:35,430
older than that in the database,
there's going to be a cron job,

976
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:38,070
that just that all it does is
just walks through the database

977
01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:41,790
all the time just cleans up
stuff right? Now that if you if

978
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:44,970
you delete, that, what that
means in practice is if you

979
01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:49,020
delete an item out of your feed,
it's not necessarily going to

980
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,930
disappear on the next aggregator
run. Right could take a while,

981
01:00:52,260 --> 01:00:57,090
but it will eventually. And I
think that's about the only I

982
01:00:57,090 --> 01:00:59,880
think that's about the best sort
of balancing. Yeah, I

983
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,090
like it. And I think there's a
lot of validity to someone

984
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,290
making an archive of everything
if you feel like it. Yeah, you

985
01:01:07,290 --> 01:01:10,140
know, there's nothing I have
nothing against that. But you

986
01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:13,500
know, you're right. Eventually,
it gets expensive, just to have

987
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:14,130
everything,

988
01:01:14,910 --> 01:01:17,610
instead of in terms of money.
And in terms of just

989
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,780
performance. Yeah.

990
01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:21,900
And, you know, the index is
mission is just to serve on

991
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:27,120
demand. Yeah. So yeah, that's
what I think we see eye to eye

992
01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:27,870
on that.

993
01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:30,360
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that
makes that makes sense. If

994
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,390
anybody has a better idea, we've
thrown this around in the in the

995
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:36,810
mastodon a few times about sort
of the best strategy for

996
01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:41,280
deleting kind of cleaning up
after a feed. And I think that's

997
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,010
kind of what I settled on. But
if anybody else has, has better

998
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:47,880
ideas, I'll wait a little while
before I implement it. Because

999
01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:51,960
right now, we're not doing any
cleanup. If it's if it's in the

1000
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,920
attorney, I wasn't happy with
what we were doing before

1001
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,690
because it was hitting the
database too hard. So I kind of

1002
01:01:57,690 --> 01:02:00,000
just turned it off. So we're
just accumulating stuff right

1003
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,300
now. Which is not a big deal. I
mean, it would take a while

1004
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,670
before it became a problem. But
I would like to get some in

1005
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:07,230
place within the next couple of
weeks.

1006
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:09,810
what else what else?

1007
01:02:11,130 --> 01:02:15,270
Michelle Obama opens, they
opened her podcast. Yeah, this

1008
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:20,220
was very interesting. And I had
heard from a reliable source

1009
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:23,490
that there were definitely
issues with the audience size.

1010
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:29,130
Now, I when I heard deal was
before, Joe, I think. And so,

1011
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:31,680
you know, I checked out the
podcast, and I've listened a

1012
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,860
couple times. And I'll just
start by saying it's a very

1013
01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:39,750
unimpressive product, because
it's not necessarily, I'm not

1014
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:45,510
quite sure who it's for. It
feels very in crowd. I think she

1015
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:49,380
lacks an element when she
doesn't have Baroque. You know,

1016
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,310
I just the order is not
surrounding the political

1017
01:02:53,310 --> 01:02:59,550
Obama's. So I can understand,
it's possible that it's just not

1018
01:02:59,550 --> 01:03:06,600
a draw. But when you're Spotify,
the idea is that you can deliver

1019
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,470
the audience and if you can't
deliver it on and I have to say

1020
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:14,400
that this podcast, it's not
known what the deal was, the

1021
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:18,090
Obamas have higher ground
productions. You know, they have

1022
01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:22,710
a deal with Netflix a deal with
Spotify, which is, I'm sure,

1023
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:25,980
mainly based on name, but
there's deliverables. Then they

1024
01:03:25,980 --> 01:03:32,040
sold the Michelle Obama podcast
to their launch sponsor, which I

1025
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:37,170
believe is Procter and Gamble,
specifically Don and tied as the

1026
01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:42,030
two products. And I know enough
about the advertising business

1027
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:44,070
because I've been in it and I
created a lot of the online

1028
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:49,620
advertising business, that was a
part of the creation of it. That

1029
01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:57,270
you, they don't really even care
that much about the content or

1030
01:03:57,270 --> 01:04:02,850
any of that. It's just hey, you
do have to get our message. As

1031
01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:05,490
many times as you promised in
front of the audience we

1032
01:04:05,490 --> 01:04:10,110
anticipate to show up, and if
they can't do it, then it's a

1033
01:04:10,110 --> 01:04:14,190
problem with their audience
management system. So the

1034
01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:16,770
recommendations are however,
they intend to get people to

1035
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:19,860
shuttle people over there. So
they at least catch two ads

1036
01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:23,040
before the podcast starts. And
then you know, then almost the

1037
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,430
end. I know they're gonna do mid
rolls as well. Oh, they are. Oh,

1038
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:27,240
yeah, they're gonna do Oh, yeah,

1039
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,330
they're gonna do play clip to
Michelle Obama.

1040
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Oh, hold on a second. By the
way. I really appreciate that.

1041
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,640
You show up with clips. That's
very nice. Okay, here she is.

1042
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,600
This episode

1043
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:42,690
of The Michelle Obama podcast is
brought to you by Salesforce.

1044
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:46,410
Yeah. Let's see now that's a
misplace that in my book.

1045
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:51,000
That that's that ran at the
beginning. Like they had to

1046
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,730
intro and they did. By the way,
it's a very boring podcast.

1047
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:56,970
Yeah, I

1048
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:59,310
told you unimpressive. It's not
really great

1049
01:04:59,459 --> 01:05:02,099
trend. ain't even listening to
it to get these ads clips was

1050
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:05,519
was painful. But they did that
at the beginning. And then they

1051
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,819
do a mid roll halfway through
where it's a little sort of like

1052
01:05:08,819 --> 01:05:13,799
an extended spot for hats for
Salesforce. Oh, no. Yeah. So

1053
01:05:13,799 --> 01:05:16,529
it's it's double. It's double
Salesforce one at the beginning

1054
01:05:16,529 --> 01:05:19,559
and a longer one in the middle.
So they go to sort of like a

1055
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:20,969
let's take a break. Yeah.

1056
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:23,910
They do that they do. We'll be
right back.

1057
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,480
Yeah. And it's like a minute
long, and then they come back.

1058
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:31,980
So. So this show and so the
announcement came out today, I

1059
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:35,970
think. And the announcement was,
Oh, we're going to launch it on

1060
01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:40,380
other platforms, which, by the
way, very interesting

1061
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:44,250
terminology. So they're now a
platform. So just so we all

1062
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:48,000
understand. They've taken core
podcasting, and they're calling

1063
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,080
it their platform, which is
okay, but I just want us all to

1064
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,860
recognize it. And what was
mentioned in the in the press

1065
01:05:55,860 --> 01:06:00,900
release, was I heart Stitcher,
all these other platforms, which

1066
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:08,220
are Whoa, the company take you
away now. All day long. And

1067
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:12,540
those, as far as I know, are
also closed, you need to submit

1068
01:06:12,570 --> 01:06:17,970
platforms. But it also showed up
in the index. So pretty quick.

1069
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,500
Yeah. So and so it's everywhere.
And this is this is a seminal

1070
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,190
moment, I'm watching it very
closely. If they can't take a

1071
01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:30,180
name, like Michelle Obama and
fulfill on their commitment for

1072
01:06:30,690 --> 01:06:35,130
the ads that were promised, they
have a much bigger problem than

1073
01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:39,030
they think. And you'll see it
turns out that podcasting is

1074
01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:44,460
kind of pretty big outside of
the silos. Kind of pretty big.

1075
01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:48,360
It'd be very, it's going to be
very interesting to watch how

1076
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,380
this unfolds.

1077
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:55,290
Tell me, tell me if this sort of
hunch or understanding jazz was

1078
01:06:55,290 --> 01:06:59,520
what you think, is that they
made the commitments for the

1079
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,840
ads. Like you said, they
couldn't fulfill the audience

1080
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,270
commitment. Maybe that now James
Cridland said, this, it was hard

1081
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:13,620
to make this jive with the
numbers they released earlier.

1082
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:15,960
Well, it wasn't really a
numbers. They said, Hey, here's

1083
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,650
the top 10 Oh, it's millions.
Yeah. Michelle's number one,

1084
01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:26,400
number one. Yeah, that's how you
do it. It? I mean, they lie. Of

1085
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,490
course, they lie. Did they show
the numbers? They actually have

1086
01:07:29,490 --> 01:07:32,370
a log to look at? No, of course
not. They lie. And that's what

1087
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:34,140
you do. That's how you promote
you lie.

1088
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:39,720
So you can't fulfill the
numbers. And then you? And then

1089
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,500
you say, Okay, well, if I can't
fulfill the numbers, let's open

1090
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:48,480
it up, and then sell ads the
traditional way?

1091
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:54,120
Well, this is where it gets
interesting. Okay, I certainly

1092
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,670
believe that they have the
mechanism, they have the ad

1093
01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:59,160
network. You know, they've shown
off all this Wookiee Dookie

1094
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,640
technology where they can, they
did this back in January, where

1095
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,340
they can target exactly the
right because I know a lot about

1096
01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:08,610
you. So they can target you
completely down to whatever it

1097
01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:12,870
is, they may just have to
continue the ad business and can

1098
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:17,340
open the in a weird perverted
way. It would be a huge defeat,

1099
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:21,300
but it's very possible that they
just can't get the numbers with

1100
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,360
Rogan without it being open. And
they may just have to open that

1101
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,680
back up. They'll still I mean,
if Spotify had from the

1102
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,230
beginning, had said, Hey, we're
the ad making guys. You come

1103
01:08:34,230 --> 01:08:37,800
over here, we'll shove ads
everywhere up your button, the

1104
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,100
front and the middle, and
wherever you want one. And we'll

1105
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,940
give you a piece of the action.
And we can do a lot of great

1106
01:08:44,940 --> 01:08:48,270
stuff. If we get people over
here. And we'd like you know,

1107
01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:52,830
maybe you say, hey, promote
promote only Spotify as the

1108
01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:56,550
podcast app. But you know, the
other people are just as valid.

1109
01:08:57,780 --> 01:09:03,480
As lots of once you have a
sample of the Spotify audience

1110
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:09,600
you can, it would be worth less.
So let's say if you got a $50

1111
01:09:09,630 --> 01:09:14,610
CPM, so for every 1000 listens,
you got $50 on Spotify may be

1112
01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:17,310
something that was listened to
off of Spotify would be worth

1113
01:09:17,310 --> 01:09:20,580
$30 Because you know you're
going to be reasonably in the

1114
01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:23,970
target demo or whatever. Okay,
they could become a great

1115
01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:26,520
advertising come if they'd
started like that, I wouldn't be

1116
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,080
like, oh, yeah, and it's not
abnormal for for that kind of

1117
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,310
operation to buy content and
control the advertising and

1118
01:09:35,310 --> 01:09:37,950
possibly the content itself
because that's ultimately always

1119
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:38,610
what happens

1120
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,600
Wasn't she one of their first
exclusives? I mean, yes, she

1121
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,790
was that's Yeah, I think she
would she was once you may have

1122
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:46,500
been the first probably

1123
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,680
because I remember see it popped
up all you know, opened up

1124
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,890
Spotify one day and it popped up
all over the place. Please

1125
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:53,490
listen to this.

1126
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,220
But you know, there's this
thing. Yeah, there's things in

1127
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:59,580
the industry and this has been
going around for a long time.

1128
01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:03,060
This is information. And they
got kind of more confirmed for

1129
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:06,360
me recently before this came
out. But I was like, Oh, that's

1130
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,580
interesting. didn't think much
of it, but I never considered,

1131
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:12,420
they would have to open it up.
And by the way, happy to have

1132
01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:15,900
you, Michelle. Welcome to
podcast. index.org. Yeah, it's

1133
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:19,290
fantastic. And I hope you have
ads. And if people want to

1134
01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:22,770
listen to them, that's great. No
problem. This could be a great

1135
01:10:22,770 --> 01:10:26,100
moment. If Spotify, they should
really consider what they're

1136
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:30,540
doing that because they could
they, they have everything you

1137
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:33,960
need. They could make they could
be everybody's friend, it would

1138
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,010
be fantastic.

1139
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,910
Do you think that would be I
mean, if they, if they just

1140
01:10:38,910 --> 01:10:41,880
basically declare on me, they
won't declare failure. But if

1141
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,020
they just say, you know,
basically, if they say this is

1142
01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:48,690
not working, we're just going to
open everything up and do to do

1143
01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:51,240
it and do traditional ad sales,
and then they just let their RSS

1144
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,270
feeds out into the public again,
what does that say for the rest

1145
01:10:54,270 --> 01:10:57,150
of the day? The rest of the
players out there, they're

1146
01:10:57,150 --> 01:10:58,380
attempting silos?

1147
01:10:58,590 --> 01:11:01,290
Well, we're gonna have a very
interesting Reversal of Fortune

1148
01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:05,850
now, aren't we? Yeah. So now
now, you know, now it's not for

1149
01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:11,970
the index. I have there. Okay.
Can I go a little Theramin on

1150
01:11:11,970 --> 01:11:13,800
Yeah, I won't actually play the
theremin. But

1151
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,800
please, I've seen it I've gotten
most are in right here.

1152
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:22,650
Doo doo. A lot of things are
changing because of the

1153
01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:26,940
Coronavirus, the shutdown the
lockdown the the communication,

1154
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:29,940
just a lot of things are
changing in media. I believe

1155
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:33,870
celebrities are in trouble. They
have become annoying pieces of

1156
01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:38,370
crap who are spoiled and you
know, people have turned on many

1157
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:42,240
of them like your yammering and
your mansion Shut up. You know,

1158
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,130
people get caught going out not
playing by the same rules. We've

1159
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:53,760
seen entire television. legacies
like the tonight show completely

1160
01:11:53,760 --> 01:12:01,590
fall apart. And the most
noticeable is audience based

1161
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:07,440
programming, NFL NBA Academy of
Country Music Awards, Emmy

1162
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,820
Awards, ratings, never this low
in the toilet, even though

1163
01:12:11,820 --> 01:12:15,540
everybody's apparent you know, I
hypothetically is home and ready

1164
01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:20,310
for great sports, etc. But it
turns out all of the when you

1165
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:24,210
remove the fans, I can speak for
the Emmy Awards, you remove the

1166
01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:27,660
fans and the red carpet. And
with that comes the fashion

1167
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:31,200
industry in the gossip industry
in the paparazzi. When you

1168
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,620
remove all that it's just a
shell of a bunch of Hollywood

1169
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:37,770
douchebags who are
congratulating each other, and

1170
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,810
you're missing the audience, I
have a feeling that if some if

1171
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:47,130
not all, there is a moment in
time where we can say hey, NFL

1172
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,000
or NBA maybe even better, you
should pay us to sit there.

1173
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,320
We're a big part of your system,
you lose money if we don't show

1174
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,020
up and come to your game and we
dance like monkey boys and

1175
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:01,260
girls. Maybe we need to
reevaluate our relationship with

1176
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:06,360
some of these companies. So if
Spotify has issue and they need

1177
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:13,890
to distribute their podcasts on
the open on the open system. I I

1178
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:17,670
think that it's entirely
possible that very popular apps

1179
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:21,420
that can you know that's
provable to a degree could say

1180
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:26,310
sure. But I need a piece of the
action.

1181
01:13:27,089 --> 01:13:33,959
Oh, it's gonna eat reverse. Why
not? What? So like an app. Let's

1182
01:13:33,959 --> 01:13:37,889
just say an app. Well, okay,
take take blueberry, blueberry

1183
01:13:37,889 --> 01:13:42,239
could could do a deal with
Spotify, where they're like,

1184
01:13:42,389 --> 01:13:46,199
where they feature some of
Spotify is now open content.

1185
01:13:46,349 --> 01:13:49,529
Yeah. And not not silo it, but
just feature it. Yep. Just

1186
01:13:49,529 --> 01:13:54,479
featuring. And then while and
they get a cut? Sure. Is that

1187
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,200
short? Yes, of course it is.
Your immediate outlet?

1188
01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:02,280
Absolutely. If they if it turns
out they need it. Oh, my

1189
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,160
goodness. Happy days are here
again short.

1190
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:10,650
How much of this is just pure,
not good content. Because I

1191
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:13,830
listened to I tried to listen to
it and I got about halfway

1192
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:18,810
through it. And Michelle Obama
podcast, I was trying to find

1193
01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:21,510
ISO it was because I wanted to
celebrate this and it was like,

1194
01:14:21,690 --> 01:14:25,740
impossible to find even a decent
ISO in this in this thing. And I

1195
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:30,870
would love to see the numbers
were who they were somebody they

1196
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:34,470
said, Okay, we had 5 million
listens, let's just say. And I

1197
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:37,710
would love to see the number
breakdown of how many of those 5

1198
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:41,100
million started listening to the
podcast and turned it off after

1199
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:41,880
like 10 minutes,

1200
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:47,250
right? Well, that is also an
interesting number. And the way

1201
01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:52,200
I see it shaking out is you are
going to be forced to listen to

1202
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,620
the pre rolls, everyone to
listen to it because you can't

1203
01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:59,940
fast forward it on Spotify. So
you can so those are guaranteed

1204
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,460
You're gonna get the right
person showing up, they're gonna

1205
01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:06,810
listen to two ads. And if they
bail, they bail, who cares if

1206
01:15:06,810 --> 01:15:09,900
they make it to the mid roll,
because that's why it's a mid

1207
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:15,210
roll. That'll be in the middle
will be cheaper. But that's a

1208
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:19,500
really good indicator, the
average view time for Joe Rogan

1209
01:15:19,530 --> 01:15:22,710
45 minutes, that's very long in
the industry,

1210
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,950
that that does seem long. And I
mean, I don't know, I'm not some

1211
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:28,860
kind of, he knew, I don't know
as much as y'all do. But like,

1212
01:15:28,890 --> 01:15:29,820
that does seem long.

1213
01:15:30,750 --> 01:15:36,150
So it's hard to say, you know, I
recently participated as a, on a

1214
01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:40,110
panel of judges for a Dutch
Podcast Awards. And I said, This

1215
01:15:40,110 --> 01:15:42,990
really makes no sense. We really
can't have an awards for this.

1216
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:47,100
And I just want that to be
noted. You can't have an award

1217
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:50,400
anymore, it was just so many
categories, and, you know, the

1218
01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:54,240
their entire sections that
entire things that no one will

1219
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,810
know about. It's just it makes
no sense. But it came. The

1220
01:15:57,810 --> 01:16:01,920
reason I say this, there was a
long conversation about two

1221
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,270
podcasts, and one was slick and
produce a little yuck, yuck, but

1222
01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:08,700
really nice. And they were self
funding and they had a whole

1223
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:13,920
bunch of great stuff. And the
other one was to get it was

1224
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,180
called it's Duchess called
quote, homo, just gay is two

1225
01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:23,670
guys kind of talking, like Mo
and I do mo facts about being

1226
01:16:23,670 --> 01:16:29,760
gay and life being gay. And it
was really crappy quality. It

1227
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,550
was like they had face masks on,
we're talking through the face

1228
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:38,550
mask. But the content was so
good and so compelling. So what

1229
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:44,070
is a good podcast? Does it have
to also sound good? Does it have

1230
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:48,540
to have a celebrity's hat? You
know, I don't judge that they

1231
01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:51,060
will, you can, I will never do
that. Again, you can't. And I

1232
01:16:51,060 --> 01:16:54,210
think Podcast Awards need to
come up with a different idea. I

1233
01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:58,500
love an industry group that
stimulates the industry, and

1234
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:02,850
that where people can connect
and meet and do stuff. But

1235
01:17:02,850 --> 01:17:05,670
that's about it. I mean, awards
is really kind of an elitist

1236
01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:08,970
thing that just really shouldn't
exist anymore. I don't think

1237
01:17:09,210 --> 01:17:13,050
it's very limited podcast index
doesn't do awards, maybe we do.

1238
01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:18,990
Maybe, maybe we have votes, that
we have a way to pay for people

1239
01:17:18,990 --> 01:17:20,610
to vote with stuff on the
internet.

1240
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:25,590
And you know, I just got an
email. And I sent him over to

1241
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:34,140
gave him the URLs. Let me just
see if I can find this. This is

1242
01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:38,370
from James Potter, I think has
he is he on the index? I've been

1243
01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:40,320
following the podcast index
pretty closely. Do you have any

1244
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,170
plans to collect your aggregate
ratings reviews as part of the

1245
01:17:43,170 --> 01:17:46,080
index? I have a huge database of
these spanning all podcast and

1246
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,410
multiple apps. Let me know if I
can be helpful somehow. But

1247
01:17:49,410 --> 01:17:54,720
yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Okay.
And that's what I said. Okay,

1248
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,890
man, yeah, hook in

1249
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,610
exclamation point. Yeah. What?
What does? I mean, like that.

1250
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:01,470
That's something that I've
thought about before, but I

1251
01:18:01,470 --> 01:18:06,360
hadn't done much thinking about
it. And it was, mean, as far as

1252
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,930
ratings and that kind of thing
there. There's no open source. I

1253
01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:12,900
mean, and all that stuff is so
game bubble, and I've just, it

1254
01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:16,530
all just feels it just makes me
You know,

1255
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,170
I don't know, it's very, it's
very cringy. But if someone

1256
01:18:19,170 --> 01:18:22,020
wants to use the index to create
it, of course.

1257
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:27,120
Yeah. I mean, I could think I
could think that we could open

1258
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:32,730
up an API endpoint for some sort
of rating. I don't know, if

1259
01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:35,460
somebody can think of something
good. I mean, yeah, yeah, open

1260
01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:36,000
for anything.

1261
01:18:36,030 --> 01:18:39,060
But that last thing we want to
be doing is providing, you know,

1262
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:43,470
rating statistics. Yeah, we
really see.

1263
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:46,590
It's really gotta be binary, I
would think it's got the ratings

1264
01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:49,590
like, on these rating systems,
where you have like, one to five

1265
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:53,130
stars and stuff like this all
decimal crap. Yeah. Like, was,

1266
01:18:53,310 --> 01:18:57,810
you really need just kind of one
thing? Was this podcast. Good.

1267
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,340
Did you like it? Yes. No.

1268
01:18:59,519 --> 01:19:02,549
Yeah. I mean, again, it I think
it's subjective. What I always

1269
01:19:02,549 --> 01:19:07,019
find interesting is I do want to
follow people. So so if someone

1270
01:19:07,019 --> 01:19:10,259
says, Hey, I like this, or I
like this, I like that. And I'd

1271
01:19:10,259 --> 01:19:11,939
like to follow that person.
Because I'd like their

1272
01:19:11,939 --> 01:19:15,839
recommendations. That feels good
to me. I can see that it's just

1273
01:19:15,839 --> 01:19:21,539
a general like, oh, a lot of
people clicked like, I don't

1274
01:19:21,539 --> 01:19:24,989
find a lot of value in that. But
and hey, we're not the experts.

1275
01:19:24,989 --> 01:19:27,659
So someone else will show up
and, and we'll see what comes

1276
01:19:27,659 --> 01:19:28,229
out of it.

1277
01:19:31,710 --> 01:19:39,360
Yeah, let's do we want to get an
email from Chris, who is a dude

1278
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,060
named Dan for a small church in
West Virginia. And did you see

1279
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:42,570
that email?

1280
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,120
And I don't maybe

1281
01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:52,230
I wondered if we he's he talked
about the sermon keyword spam

1282
01:19:52,230 --> 01:19:52,530
that we

1283
01:19:52,530 --> 01:19:56,910
talked about. Yes. Chris Paul
can Okay. I think we can read

1284
01:19:56,910 --> 01:19:59,070
that. I don't see why not.

1285
01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:01,380
Yeah, he says I won't read the
whole thing I'll just kind of

1286
01:20:01,380 --> 01:20:04,170
skim through he just basically
says, I have no doubt your

1287
01:20:04,170 --> 01:20:07,080
keyword problem comes from some
Well, meaning maybe cricket

1288
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:12,660
church consultants. Nailed it.
Yeah, I guess that it's possible

1289
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:14,850
that they figured out how to
duplicate these fields and made

1290
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:19,260
it look like a magic trick. Look
how cool our setup is. He says,

1291
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:22,470
but this was kind of interesting
to me though. He said, I love

1292
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:25,140
the fact that services like
Squarespace make podcasting for

1293
01:20:25,140 --> 01:20:29,430
Dummies easy. But I don't like
being captive captive, because I

1294
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:33,300
can't do the code myself. If I
offend the gatekeepers on the

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01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:36,090
platform with no way of rec
reconnecting with my audience.

1296
01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:39,960
And the reason I printed that
out, is because you were talking

1297
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:46,650
about that on your show with
Mike and Todd. And talking about

1298
01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:50,280
just being D platformed. And you
know, that kind of jazz but

1299
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:55,440
Right. And they, it's not just,
when I saw that I started

1300
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:59,430
thinking about, it's not just
the Alex Jones type guys that

1301
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:03,630
you have to worry about. It's
kind of it's kind of flipped.

1302
01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:09,660
And we talked about this, I
think was before where if you go

1303
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:14,100
back maybe 20 years ago, and you
thought about people being D

1304
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:16,620
platformed. So to speak, quote,
unquote, that wasn't a thing

1305
01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:21,060
then if you go back sort of even
pre internet and talk about

1306
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:29,100
people being silenced or D
platformed. It was atheists you

1307
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:34,290
know, that sort of thing. Now
it's is there's been this flip.

1308
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,380
So now the people that are
worried about D being D

1309
01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:39,810
platformed, or not the atheist
now the people worried about it

1310
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:44,010
or the religious Yes. And that's
just a good I think that's a

1311
01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:50,490
good indicator that you can't
pick a moment in time and say,

1312
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:55,800
Okay, this is what the battle is
going to be forever. Because it

1313
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:59,970
things change and social
movements change and things what

1314
01:21:59,970 --> 01:22:05,370
is now considered the oppressed
and the oppressor easily flip

1315
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:05,760
flop

1316
01:22:05,790 --> 01:22:08,310
easily flip it up a lot of it's
taking place.

1317
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,080
Yeah. So we may not be you know,
1520 years from now, we may not

1318
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:20,820
be talking about, about the the
the conspiracy theorist quote

1319
01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:25,080
unquote, crowd that are getting
D platformed. We may be talking,

1320
01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:28,650
they may be in charge, and they
may be D platforming. Everybody

1321
01:22:28,650 --> 01:22:29,040
else.

1322
01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:32,130
It was interesting. I was
talking with Max and Stacy about

1323
01:22:32,130 --> 01:22:35,040
this today. He said, You know,
we really want to retool our

1324
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,300
next phase retooling podcasting
as a as a platform of value. And

1325
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:44,790
I said the reason why is if we
just sit and wait and say, Oh,

1326
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:49,230
it's just a guy doing CBD sales
online that he got financially D

1327
01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:55,320
platform. Oh, you know, it's
just this particular crazy

1328
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,160
Handmaid's Tale cult religion,
it's okay that MasterCard

1329
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,000
doesn't want to process for
them. You can't do that. Because

1330
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:06,960
being on the lowest rung of the
show business ladder, podcasters

1331
01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:13,650
do were on the list. Yeah. So it
comes in different forms. And

1332
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:15,600
this is really what we're
talking about is some kind of

1333
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:21,300
sovereignty, you know. So just
just to circle back to Chris's

1334
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:27,660
note, the number one thing is
to, in general on the internet

1335
01:23:27,690 --> 01:23:31,860
is to have your and own your
domain name. That will save you

1336
01:23:31,860 --> 01:23:39,450
so much aggravation, and sadness
down the road. Own that, make

1337
01:23:39,450 --> 01:23:42,630
sure you own it, make sure you
you keep it up to date that is

1338
01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:48,420
registered. And whatever you do,
no matter where you do it. If

1339
01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:52,590
it's Squarespace, as long as
it's your domain name,

1340
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,870
no.com.org, whatever it is, if
you decide you need to change,

1341
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:02,010
then you can always then it will
be reasonably transparent for

1342
01:24:02,010 --> 01:24:10,770
the entire Internet. That said,
Education is key. And I would

1343
01:24:10,770 --> 01:24:14,730
love to see every parent and
Hey, old people and parents, you

1344
01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:19,680
could do this yourself. Grab an
old laptop you threw out, find a

1345
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,240
Linux CD or learn how to
download one and just wipe that

1346
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,730
laptop and install Linux and
just see if you can get it

1347
01:24:26,730 --> 01:24:30,510
running. You will learn so much
about the internet, that you

1348
01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:33,030
never understood how that
worked. And it's kind of a fun

1349
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:35,400
process and you certainly
shouldn't make your kids do it.

1350
01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:40,230
When it comes to the RSS feed.
I'd recommend anybody who can

1351
01:24:40,230 --> 01:24:45,570
read and can can sit still for
five minutes can look at an RSS

1352
01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:51,210
feed. So you know if you see an
RSS feed, click on it. In some

1353
01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:54,210
browsers, it may try to open
something else up but see if you

1354
01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:57,210
can do a view source just see if
you can see the actual file

1355
01:24:57,210 --> 01:25:01,860
itself. And just very slowly
look at it and see if you see

1356
01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:07,740
some patterns. Because when we
started 16 years ago, there were

1357
01:25:07,740 --> 01:25:12,690
a lot of people making their RSS
feed and notepad by hand. Yeah,

1358
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,840
just a copy, paste, you know,
here's an element, okay, I have

1359
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,590
to change these little things to
timestamp. Now, this is all

1360
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:23,010
automated Of course, which is
why you have WordPress and

1361
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:28,740
blueberry and Squarespace. But
it behooves you to learn it,

1362
01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:31,200
just just look at it five
minutes, and you're like, oh,

1363
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,230
okay, I see it. Here's the
opening, it describes the show

1364
01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:39,240
what's in here? And then here's
each episode, it's Oh, okay, I

1365
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,960
see it has a title, it has a
link, it has a description, and

1366
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,990
you see that pattern. And man,
it's going to benefit you big

1367
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:49,710
time. Just understanding how it
works. Or when you need to move

1368
01:25:49,710 --> 01:25:52,350
or do something else, you don't
have to lose your audience.

1369
01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:56,190
Totally, totally agree it, may
you still you still curate your

1370
01:25:56,790 --> 01:26:01,080
RSS feed by hand, you do write
it and I do. Stick it in an

1371
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,390
editor and you clean it up by
hand, right?

1372
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,410
Well, so I use the freedom. It's
basically a freedom controller

1373
01:26:07,410 --> 01:26:13,080
RSS outline. But for each new
episode, I copy the previous

1374
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,690
one. So I'm incrementing
everything by one, you know, I'm

1375
01:26:15,690 --> 01:26:19,860
a human AI on this. And I go
very carefully, and I make sure

1376
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:22,620
everything's in there. And you
know, I need to include show

1377
01:26:22,620 --> 01:26:25,110
notes. And I have a process,
which is a checklist, which I

1378
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:30,330
cannot do by memory. Yeah. And I
like it. I like seeing I

1379
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:35,370
actually see, it's almost an
exact representation of the code

1380
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:39,330
that your app is going to see. I
like looking at it. This make

1381
01:26:39,330 --> 01:26:43,110
sense? Okay, this is good. And
then yeah, I hit Save. And then

1382
01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:44,850
then I drop it on the server.

1383
01:26:45,719 --> 01:26:49,619
And that's an interesting thing
for people who are not, like

1384
01:26:49,619 --> 01:26:53,489
super techy, or that kind of
thing, like you were talking

1385
01:26:53,489 --> 01:26:57,209
about would be to make a make a
feed, like in Notepad, that kind

1386
01:26:57,209 --> 01:27:01,019
of thing. And then drop
submitted to the podcast and

1387
01:27:01,379 --> 01:27:04,949
watch what happens. And make a
change to it and then see it

1388
01:27:04,949 --> 01:27:08,639
update. Like that's, that's an
interesting thing, or see it not

1389
01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:11,549
update and then wonder what you
did wrong. Big thought

1390
01:27:11,549 --> 01:27:12,119
experiment, the

1391
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,420
topic, how are we doing on
submissions, adding feeds,

1392
01:27:16,139 --> 01:27:20,819
it's just a steady stream coming
in is still roughly 60 to 100.

1393
01:27:20,819 --> 01:27:21,239
Today,

1394
01:27:21,269 --> 01:27:24,329
do you have any overview of
who's connected to us now? I

1395
01:27:24,329 --> 01:27:27,359
mean, I know that drunk
playdough was working on the

1396
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:31,589
website, and we're gonna get a
whole page, kind of a developer

1397
01:27:31,589 --> 01:27:36,089
page, but developers slash who's
who's doing what page? So we can

1398
01:27:36,089 --> 01:27:37,049
feature everybody.

1399
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:40,890
Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna
have to do that. Because it's, I

1400
01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:44,850
know, we're still the same guys
that we talked about last week.

1401
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:49,110
And I think, if I'm not
mistaken, blueberry is moving.

1402
01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:52,020
Yeah. I don't know if they're
doing it yet. But I know that

1403
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:57,390
their developers are working on
it. Yes. Mike. Dell has that

1404
01:27:57,420 --> 01:28:01,320
name. Yeah, he was he was in in
there. And then Todd was was

1405
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,930
telling me when he gave me that
feedback about duplication. He

1406
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:07,860
was saying that he had his guys
working on on doing that. That

1407
01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:11,970
submission process. Nice. Nice
coming up soon. That's yeah,

1408
01:28:11,970 --> 01:28:14,670
that's all automated. We can
pull once that page gets up.

1409
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,350
When drunk. Playdough finishes
the redesign. Cool. It should

1410
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:25,050
shouldn't be hard. Cool. Very
cool. That's about all I got

1411
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:25,710
today, man.

1412
01:28:25,860 --> 01:28:29,160
Yeah, I'm trying to think if I
had anything else on my list

1413
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:30,990
here. We'll get

1414
01:28:31,650 --> 01:28:34,080
into clip five Michelle Obama.

1415
01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:41,910
Okay, baller Yes, indeed. That's
me.

1416
01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:47,370
scraping the bottom with Wow
clips Evans pretty good track

1417
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:50,850
clip seven. I'm not dead. I'm
just doing a podcast.

1418
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:57,090
I may keep that that's a good
end of show. I so that's right,

1419
01:28:57,090 --> 01:29:02,070
everybody. Hey, not dead. I'm
just doing a podcast. See that?

1420
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:06,540
It's funny. But at the same
time, why? Michelle? Why? Why do

1421
01:29:06,540 --> 01:29:09,960
you make Why do you take us down
to such a low level? That is so

1422
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,930
unfair. We feel very
professional here. We feel like

1423
01:29:12,930 --> 01:29:14,850
we're doing good stuff. And
we're very alive.

1424
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:17,940
Yeah, no, absolutely not dead
yet. But we felt like that

1425
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:19,200
sometimes. Dave

1426
01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:23,970
good to catch up, man. And
anything you need to look

1427
01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:26,130
forward to? It's just heads down
keeping them moving.

1428
01:29:27,089 --> 01:29:32,069
Yeah, I guess so. There's just
some one thing I'm going to, you

1429
01:29:32,069 --> 01:29:34,139
know, always tell you exactly
what I'm going to do and then

1430
01:29:34,139 --> 01:29:37,889
don't do any of course. The
thing I'm not going to do this

1431
01:29:37,889 --> 01:29:43,859
week, right is the search non
English language search.

1432
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,750
Oh, that's gonna be fun. No, no,
it's not. Yeah, I seen the

1433
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:54,420
Arabic come through. I've seen
some kanji, some Chinese all

1434
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:57,480
kinds of Oh, yeah. This is where
it gets really fun. Yeah,

1435
01:29:57,990 --> 01:30:03,720
Unicode search is Is it I mean,
very doable clearly, but it's

1436
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,360
not the easiest thing in the
world to get get set up. So I've

1437
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:11,010
cloned, I've cloned the search
server over to a separate box.

1438
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,390
And I'm going to start playing
with it and get that, get that

1439
01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:19,740
working properly, you got to
define all your unit code ranges

1440
01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:23,490
and all this kind of jazz. So
I'm going to tinker around with

1441
01:30:23,490 --> 01:30:26,340
it, get that work. And then once
it's solid, then I'll pull it

1442
01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:29,850
back in and replace the current
server with that one that's in

1443
01:30:29,850 --> 01:30:30,360
the mix.

1444
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:35,250
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1445
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,990
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1446
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:42,660
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1447
01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:47,520
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1448
01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:50,580
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1449
01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:54,900
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1450
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:58,860
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1451
01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:02,340
index dot social, Dave. We'll
catch up again

1452
01:31:02,670 --> 01:31:04,740
next Friday. Man sounds good.

1453
01:31:04,770 --> 01:31:08,580
Alright, everybody. Have a great
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1454
01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:09,270
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