I have to admit, I listen to each show repeatedly, probably
for full time start to finish. Wow.
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
On May 29 2014. It's time for your gizmo nation media
assassination Episode Six to
one this is no agenda
waiting for the engine light to come off and FEMA Region six
here the traverse high tide out in the capital the drone star
Steve Austin Tejas in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm waiting for the
engine light to come on as I'm gunning it. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Kill them.
This is a real problem with American automobiles, I found
out
what well, I need the engine light comes on. It just does it.
Do you know, just in case no, no, it's better to be safe than
sorry. I mentioned oil light comes on. You gotta be careful.
Did I mention on the last show that that my truck got broken
into all we were away? Huh? Yeah. And they tried to rip out
the you know, the radio and they must have been interrupted
somehow. But cheap radio. It wasn't a stock radio. But
believe me, it was nothing. Maybe 20 bucks you can get for
it. If you're lucky. But I took it to my guys around the corner
and they said oh, you know, you also have to have been inspected
to ya know, my spec word for what state inspection? For what
if what you need a state inspection sticker. And what is
what do they do? It said, you know, emissions and a couple of
like California is very similar.
California thing is a total scam.
Well, so here's the problem. So they do all the work and there
was there was like some, I don't know, something wasn't met the
engine light was on. And of course, that's an automatic fail
and so they had to fix whatever pumper tube was leaking. And and
then, you know, he's like, okay, you can pick it up. But here's
the problem with this model, of course, is the 2002 Ford RAM.
Have a fine recently no such thing as a Ford RAM Dodge Ram.
What do I think if I see this, how much I care about cars, the
Dodge Ram. This particular model, you have to drive at
least some between 40 and 100 miles before the computer
resets. And they can get a full reading. Okay, and he's like,
well, so there's two ways we can do it. One, we can fail you and
then you have 15 days to come back. And you know, you'll have
a piece of paper you can show the cops if you get pulled over.
I said yeah. 100 miles from me in 15 days. Are you kidding me?
Literally do ride around the block for a whole day. I don't
drive anywhere. I said well, then you can just come back when
you think you get your 100 miles. Anyway, it's one of
those. One of those. Yeah. Oh, oh, well. Ah, well, I had a lot
of stuff. Oh, breaking news. John, this was the this was the
big thing I couldn't believe like, holy moly, everybody.
Yeah, Brad Pitt attacked by fan.
Oh, no. Why would anybody attack Brad Pitt to promote
Angelenos movie? Okay, it's happened on the red carpet.
It happened on the Oh real with all the security they have
around those events. This is that guy
who is apparently a Ukrainian television guy. And of course
I've never seen his television show. And he's a goofball. Yeah,
he's the one that has hopped all show. Well, I've never seen the
show. I don't know if it's true or not. He's very reminiscent of
Borat. And he was in in for a Ukrainian show. He's got a lot
of budget because he was in con. Looking underneath someone's
dress on the red carpet. And the guy's hilarious. But I think
yeah, I think it's just a guy you can hire if you want some
promotion for your movie. Amen. Do some weird crap for me. Well,
yeah. And then of course the other news that is just
everywhere more important than anything else that you will hear
on this programme Kate Middleton's but photographed and
outrage World War Three about to break out between Germany and
the UK.
What was it a German that photographed your built
built magazine? That she was walking to the helicopter?
And dress? Yeah. Do you have anything? I wish you work in
bear but it
Yeah, well, substring or whatever. You can't really see
that. It's listen. Believe me. Kate Middleton should be very
happy with this picture. Any woman would be happy with this
picture.
So she has a good looking bike. Ah, hell yeah. I'm glad to
Google this
one. And this is not the first time you know, she's exposed her
butt here. And now it's in the show notes. John obby. Well,
that's
the new the new British thing. Showing your bike? I think so.
It makes sense to me. They did it with the you Kip. Oh, I don't
know how that's even valuable.
Can I just said no that didn't work out that didn't after bear
but oh no Kate Middleton you
have to go to build dot d because No, no they're all
everyone's showing it censored like my god like we've never
seen it but there's so this is so insane. What's bizarre
what's not I don't have Bill to give me a better URL when you
put built that D you get do buy luxury bi LG sale. I'd put bi
Lt. This is interesting. Go to bi Lt.
We found something interesting.
You go rent in Irvine, I guess of places in Dubai.
Dubai luxury.com. Hey, I've been to Dubai. I have no intent ever
to go back. He's
just a little warm. Maybe? No, it was boring.
It is boring. Yeah, it's just completely boring.
Yeah, there's not much to do there. Here we go. Fix so
happy. Well, while you're doing that, I've been meaning to do
this for a couple of weeks. Now, I want to thank two of our
producers, who are continuous consistent contributors to the
no agenda, news network. And of course, their feeds flow into
the whole system to the freedom controller, et cetera. W, I'm
just going to give their aliases because I don't even think they
want anyone to know who they are WT and Bert be I think they're
both Dutch producers. And they just consistently have so many
great stories. And they're so good. And they are a big part of
of how the show works. And I needed to thank them for their
courage and their continuous support of the flow of
information. And they're doing it through RSS feeds, which is
great. It's also appreciated so much on email.
Okay, what was the good story they gave me this time?
Oh, there's just tonnes of them. And it's continued. Here's how
it worked. They listen to the show. And I don't know what they
do. I have no idea. I mean, I've only had one or two email
contacts with them, you know, when something didn't work,
because they're kind of on our systems. And they'll say, Hey,
man, thumbs down or whatever. And they just, they'll they'll
tune in, and they'll find anything that relates to the
topics that we're working on. Oh, cool. Yeah. I just
anyway, yeah, I should keep up with that myself.
Well, this freedom controller thing that Dave Jones is, you
know, single handedly programmed, you might want to
consider using it at a certain point. Yeah, I probably will.
And the great thing is, is if you have clips, so all you'd
have to do is open up a web page. And then you just select
your clips and drag it into the page and you'd be done. How
would I be done? Because it uploads the clips to the system
and it puts it in the feed and I would just be able to access it
right away. You wouldn't have to deal with anything. That's it.
That's all you'd have to
do. Okay, well, I'm in
for that reason only.
Yeah, no, that'd be great.
Okay, I'll see about your setup. But I'll set you up again.
Oh, no. These things happen. So there was the big, the big
phoney baloney event. Brian Williams. Yeah. Flew to Russia
with Grant with Glenn Greenwald. And
now we have some overlap and clips. But I feel that you are
going to take this one,
I have decided that this was a very staged, extremely scripted,
I agree, somewhat of a scam to promote Greenwald's book. And I
think I can't prove this. I'm just thinking it's because of
all the gratuitous plugs and Greenwald sitting in on one of
the discussions. I have to assume that Greenwald had
something to do or his publisher had something to do with setting
this up. This was a promotion for the book. It wasn't a
promotion for anything. It wasn't you know, I mean, NBC
gets a little credit NBC was in on the whatever the gag was,
there was a number of scripted comments. They could probably
produce it better even though they edited the crap out of it.
Yeah, that's always annoying and, and unlike anything that
you would find in just there's no raw video ever of these
things. People are I've even gotten emails. Hey, did you get
the raw video? No, that'll never be anywhere that'll never be
released ever. I like the opening where you know, he
Snowden came in through the backdoor the elevator and
they're filming him like a reality show. It's like, Do you
think I'm stupid that this you can't see this is staged.
There's a camera in the elevator waiting for him to come in. This
is how reality shows work. I bet you a lot of people don't
realise that. Oh, there he is. He's walking in.
It just happened to have it. Yeah, I'm I'm reminded of the
reality show gimmick where they where the guy says I'm gonna
have to call Laura and tell her that we're not I can I do the
date? And then there's a Laura in some other room picks it up
and you're really we can't go. Oh no. Like, are you kidding me?
Exactly. It's not even close to being interesting. Exactly.
Yeah. Anyways, as I would use that term loosely. There was a
number of things in here. I thought were interesting. I'm
looking at my list of clips, I got way too many clips, but
they're pretty not too many of them are long. And we can just
jump around to a few. I mean, well, I didn't get the clip
where he because I thought it was played on the TV enough.
Oh, where he says that he's a spy agent. This is so funny,
because I was thinking to myself, Oh, I don't need to clip
that because John will have it or everyone's heard it at this
point. We got so much email. And here's the crazy thing we
already had all this months ago. Well, first of all, our premise
has always been that he was worked for the CIA and that this
was a hit job on the NSA. Glenn Greenwald da rraff has written
in his book that he vetted Snowden when Snowden showed him
his CIA credentials. And this was pretty much everything was
already asked and answered in the German interview, which got
zero play.
Yeah, nobody played the in the United States. Nobody played the
German interview, but it's available, you can get it and go
to
Yes, link in the show notes. I put it in there for for anyone
who wants to go and take a look at it. So yes, he does say I was
a spy.
And I had fake names. And I wore a funny mask.
It didn't say that part.
So here's the clip day this is I'm going to just jump around
and start with these these two to start with to show what this
is kind of how this was set up and scripted. This is the
Snowden key working for the government clip. And this is
where he says he's still working for the government. This is part
of I believe this is a not sure if this is a two part question
or not, but it but Brian Williams go he played me he does
the interview like a Larry King interview where he just changes
the subject, in a very awkward way. So he never has a
conversation or listens to Snowden. He just has these
candid questions that come in out of the blue and they're
tightly cut.
I would say it's even different. John, I would say he has no
conversation at all. These are all just questions that are
being asked and answered. And it's it's edited to make it look
like a conversation. I don't think
you're right, because because Larry King doesn't do that. He
just does the quick difference.
I don't think Brian Williams could have a conversation if his
life depended on it.
That's probably true. And he didn't have one to hear. And
then Snowden is so reserved and smug. It's like he's rehearsed
these lines as these answers are canned. And it's like, it's very
unappealing to me. I'm very disappointed in this thing. Of
course, I would expect this on NBC. But the play key working
for the government clip legal
sources tell NBC News that Snowdens legal team has been in
contact with the government's lawyers, but negotiations have
not yet begun. Are you looking for clemency or amnesty? Would
you like to go home?
I don't think there's ever been any question that I'd like to go
home. I mean, I, from day one said that I'm doing this to
serve my country, I'm still working for the government. Now,
whether amnesty or clemency ever becomes a possibility is not for
me to say that to make for public and the government to
decide.
Alright, so he says that, and then I guess somewhere along the
line, like 10 minutes later, when they're, you know, clipping
this thing together could be a half an hour later, for all I
know, they may do a series of questions and answers and then
pull away, analyse what was said, and then they say, Oh, my
God, we let this slip by let's, let's,
here's how it went. Here's because this it came at the end,
and I think it was different. So hey, man, thank you. Thanks for
your interview, and whatever. And then the producer. Oh, no,
we have to ask one more question. You have to do a
little follow up about the working for the government
thing. It seemed to me like I've done these interviews.
And I'm agreeing that but I think it's because they caught
the mistake. Yeah, but Brian Williams did the whole thing. I
think this was going on all along. Yeah. I think it was a
continuum of what can we do? But you might be right hold I get
back I get
this. I've done interviews. I've done these interviews and
junkets and stuff. I'm certainly when I was much younger and much
more inexperienced, then either didn't have the wherewithal to
have a producer never come up and do that to me because that's
really horrible. When the producers you got to ask this
question and then you literally with the guests there and you
have to ask the question again, like if some robots which which
you are and Brian Williams reminder, this guy was doing
interviews local, the NBC staff in New Jersey with plastic
surgeons, interviewing MILFs about their boob jobs. Yeah,
that's you know, that's before he became the Brian Williams the
well he went to NBC and became an F fake anchor there for a
while and then they of course, they bumped at the new show
there and moved him in. He was a logical choice. But he's always
seems because he's not used to come on Letterman, Eleni always
seem to want to be a comic. Yeah.
Do you have? Do you have the clip where the question is?
This is the next one. Is Snowden working for the government
school further now? And that's the follow up clip. This came
later in the show. I don't have it snowed in something the word
I crossed it out already? Yeah,
I can't. I can't see what it is.
What you said Snowden key working for the government. I
have that one. You have asked what you would miss? Yes, that
one yet? No. Best comment. And I'm just going through Yeah,
best counterpart to best comment part. Oh,
correcting the record. I'm sorry. You got it or that went
wrong. Did you say earlier you were still serving your
government? Yes. How so?
When you look at the actions that I've taken, when you look
at the carefulness of the programmes that have been this
close, when you look at the way, this has all been filtered
through the most trusted journalistic institutions in
America, when you look at the way the government has had a
chance to chime in on this, and to make their case. And when you
look at the changes that it's resulted in, we've had the first
open Federal Court ever review these programmes, declare likely
unconstitutional and Orwellian. And now you see Congress
agreeing that mass surveillance, bulk collection needs to end
with all of these things happening, that the government
agrees all the way up to the President, again, make us
stronger? How can it be said that I did not serve my
government? How can it be said that this harms the country when
all three branches of government have made reforms as a result of
it?
I also not maybe I missed it, but not a single point during
the interview. Did I ever hear him say anything negative or
even talk about the CIA, except for the
Shan disco? I'm going to point something out on this particular
thing which occurred later in the show he Snowden and go back
to the first clip if you want, but I wouldn't do it. Said I'm
still working for the government. Yes, very different.
He said you said you were still serving the government. So
Snowden didn't have to lie. But it sounded as though it to the
you know, people just casually watching that, that what he
meant by working for the government was this explanation
that he just gave now. But the question was different. It
wasn't Yes. You said you were still working for the government
you're getting? I mean, here's the way you asked the question.
If you're if this was legit. You said and you do it right away.
You do it when he said it the first time that 10 minutes
later, you say you said you're still working for the
government? Are you collecting a paycheck? Are you still on the
payroll? What What do you mean by that? Exactly? Not Are you
said you were still serving the government and then some tirade?
Well, let me just interrupt because you mentioned the CIA
wasn't mentioned except from beginning. What else wasn't
mentioned. What else wasn't mentioned, was his girlfriend.
He never once mentioned his girlfriend, he says, I want to
get back to my family. I want to get back to my home.
You know, it's funny, you say that when he said, I want to get
back to my family, his tongue came out. Which as we know is is
the tell tale. That is that's the underlying tell when you
stick your tongue out.
Now, we believe this girlfriend was some agent too. And they
were just whatever, yeah, something so that I find that
peculiar that he's talked about, he just didn't. Well, he never
mentioned her again, ever.
On that note, there's one thing that I caught that I didn't know
I have not found in any online documentation. And to me was a
really
I remember the tension of that day. I remember hearing on the
radio, the plane said, and I remember thinking my
grandfather, who worked for the FBI at the time, was in the
Pentagon, when the plane hit it.
I didn't I've never heard this. I never heard this. His
grandfather worked for the FBI on in 2001. And he was in the
Pentagon and who was and I can't find his grant
FBI guy doing in the Pentagon in the first place. Thank
you. That was weird. And there was really and I've looked in
you if you look at Snowdens Well, it's hard to find but you
know, there's like family trees and genealogy stuff. Everything
points to his grandfather being deceased in 1886. to I don't
know where that came from. That was weird. And of course, you
know, because it's a chopped up interview, no follow up. No, no
anything but and it's not on his wiki page. We'd expect someone
to have figured this out and put that in there. But
it could be a mistake that he made said that I could be a
screw up I could be a lie I don't know what you know maybe
he's full of crap about some stuff what you know is or a
cover. I don't know. The I find it peculiar Gee. So there's this
whole thing was just crappy. Here's what one thing I thought
here's the shorty that we all cracked up when we heard this is
snowed and snowed in as the TV critic. Yeah.
physical connections. Right now I'm watching a show the wire
about surveillance, which is I'm really enjoying it the second
season is not so great. But
he should he should have gone on and said House of Cards, the
British version is outstanding. I mean, that would have been
better. Actually Mimi's watching this. She says, you know, I
would say I would watch a show with this guy as a TV. Yeah.
Totally got nothing else to do totally. This another one I find
peculiar. This is Snowden. This is the licence bloggers. Yeah,
this is known. And I don't know, if I'm being hosted by Russia,
that I would bitch about anything until I got out safely.
Because they're like, you know, they're gonna say, you know,
this time, they have to keep renewing him, or they're gonna
have to kick them out of the country. So I wouldn't be making
commentary. Now, I think that most of this commentary is
really aimed at the United States because as you know, I've
been a big advocate of the cons not not positive advocate, but
I've been an advocate that somehow some way the FCC or
someone's going to end up licenced licencing bloggers and
podcast,
which is why we have podcast licenced.com. Exactly.
And this little commentary by Snowden hear about bloggers in
Russia, I thought it was weird
registration law in Russia, I can't think of any basis for a
law like that, not just in Russia. But in any country. The
government shouldn't be regulating the operations of a
free press, whether it's NBC, or whether it's some blogger in
their living room. There's so much that needs to be defended
here in Russia. But I'm limited by my inability to speak Russian
and so on and so forth. That it's it's an isolating and
frustrating thing. And I really hope that Russia, the United
States, and many other countries, will work to push
back against this constantly increasing surveillance against
this constant erosion and abrasion of public rights.
Correct me
if I'm wrong. Yeah. Now there's. So there's a couple of things
instead of saying free speech, he said free press, which I
think is an interesting, different choice, different,
different topic. And then it was kind of like the international
aspect to it. I wonder what was your take on that? I found that
to be
I thought it was some I didn't know, that's where I clipped it,
because it had some sort of universal. It was some
commentary in there. And I couldn't it code of some sort. I
couldn't quite pull it out of there. I do know that he was
complaining. And right. But he had a couple little messages in
there one because he says, because I don't speak Russian
and so on. And so
I think that was that was maybe a throwback are a call back to
when he was on Putin's little TV show. And he messed it up. And
you know, it came across as really dumb.
Well, he's been in Russia now for about a year. Yes, it was in
May of 2013 that he was permitted trek from China. Now,
if I'm in Russia, like this, I'm learning Russian, Russian. I
mean, I may be stuck there forever. I don't know. I am not
going to be sitting in my room on my ass doing nothing or just
communicating with Glenn Greenwald. I will be learning
Russian and I and if I if I ever worked for the CIA or the NSA, I
would be inclined to want to learn Russian. Now, I can't
believe he's not doing that. It doesn't make any sense to me,
especially if he's was or is a spy. Unless he actually is
learning Russian or may already be fluent in Russian. We don't
know. Well, I have that. By the way. It gives you a huge
advantage. When you're in you know, you're hanging around and
you can't speak Russian but you can actually speak Russian you
can hear what they're saying. You very advantageous.
There was an observation and this I'd seen this it had not
really registered we got a Kyle Barton one of our producers sent
me a note and and when he tickled my brain about this. I
thought wow, you know, this is actually a big piece of
information. Do you wear Have you ever do you have glasses?
You don't wear glasses? Do you? Yeah, I do. Yeah. But not
frequently.
You pro eyelash I got it. When you're near sighted in younger
As you get older, your eyeball does this kind of does a loop
starts getting you making you farsighted. So I'm actually
almost 2020. Right? So I don't wear I'm very you
have glasses with that or one piece or with pads on the on the
bridge of the nose.
There's the current glasses I have have have pad hats, right?
Have you ever had a pad fall off?
Yeah, years ago when I was a kid. Yeah. And and how is that?
Well, you can't wear the glasses because you get poked in the
nose. Right?
If you go back to the original video that Laura Poitras and
Gunray, we wrote down I did in Hong Kong, you will see that the
left nose pad of Edward Snowdens glasses is missing. And I
noticed that because it also is is being videoed from the Left
Angle. As he was again,
the picture on his wiki page shows these glasses and I think
you I think you might be correct. And
if you look at last night's video, he is one year later
still wearing the same glasses with the same missing nose pad.
Now this can be interpreted in a number of ways one key only puts
the glasses on for the interviewer and they're Bogota.
But when I look at the glasses, there's definitely you can see
that they are of strength.
Right? They are two.
He is
well hold on a second. I'm looking at the blowed up picture
on Wikipedia, which is showing these glasses. And they show
that the right eye is definitely his near sighted because that's
the kind of way it goes it would not if it was your foresight
that makes you eyeball look bigger. If you're nearsighted
makes it look smaller. And it also has this effect. But it did
the left to right I assume is also be grey. I'm not the eye
but the lenses seem to be grey, a little grey and the other ones
are looks like they're just blanks. I don't know this is
interesting. I'll tell you what the theory well,
you cannot. There's no if you're in one place. And I've had this
happen to me in Portugal or Spain or different places this
happens and Mickey's had it happen in weird places. You can
get this fixed. Yeah. And you AFAC and you will get this fix
Kong you will get this fix because you cannot really
functions extremely irritating. So either he's not wearing these
glasses consistently and doesn't care only wears them for
interviews, or I think it's very possible that he is under
extreme duress and is being controlled and cannot even get
out to do this. That's interesting. And that may be
because he's under Russian control, which would be the most
logical answer. And they are you know, they have the hammer on
his head and don't mess it up boy. But, but he is not free to
he's not free. That to me says he's not free could also be now
if I were you know, it could also be a message.
Yeah, I'm not free. It could be a message that said yeah, I
would but no,
no one has really picked up on this and I feel that it is not
irrelevant to the entire picture.
And that would explain why he's not learning Russian.
Or maybe he Yeah, exactly. If you just stuck in one place
any number of other possible situations here well that's
entry Yeah, I'm just so I'm looking at the glasses now
you're right. I thought the best kind you have a best comment is
not a best comment in terms of content for our show. But it's
like here he is this where he defends the NSA in an offhanded
way yeah,
this was this was this to me also kind of wrap that up saying
hey, the it's the douchebags at the top and it's all the money
that's going in there not the actual people
I think his commentary during this this but I got two parts of
this clip. I think the commentary that he makes in here
I think is is aimed right at the John McCain's Yeah, the rest of
the douchebags as you would have it that are running the show
caught up
in all these issues people have you know, unfairly demonised the
NSA to a point that's too extreme. These are good people
trying to do hard work for good reasons. The problem that we're
confronted with the challenge that we're facing is not the
working level guy is you know, some some moustache twirling
villain who's out to destroy your life. It's the fact that
senior officials are investing themselves with powers that
they're not entitled to. And they're doing it without asking
the public for any kind of consent.
Okay, I thought that was the most poignant thing. He said, I
agree.
And as a guy, and as a guy working for the CIA trying to
bring down the NSA, that that fits the model.
It fits the model, especially if his CIA old school, and it would
be, you know, calling out the douchebags are the same guy that
you can see who they are,
by the way, note that he didn't say that about the CIA or the
DIA or any other agency. He said, It's specifically so much
the NSA. Yeah, about the NSA fixture,
which is again, a, you know, appears to be at this point, a
blackmailing operation. Yeah. So did we finish the part two with
it? Whereas I think there's a follow up question is what
I just heard you feeling bad for the damage DNS Hold
on a second, let me say, You got to listen to Snowden because he
feels this. I don't know what is going on here. But he was told
to ask this, obviously. And Snowden fills up the answer with
a bunch of non sequiturs and a couple of sentences that make
zero sense as a result
of what you've exposed from the NSA.
What what you need to understand in what I was saying, I guess,
not what you need to understand, but
I liked that little bit, too. That was what was what do you
think that was about?
He made a mistake on the script.
saying is,
but wrong, that prompt back leave, okay. Not
damage to the NSA. It's the sort of conspiratorial thinking that
can emerge. Sometimes when we see the government has committed
real and serious abuses, that lead us to think they can do no
good. And the government does have legitimate programmes and
legitimate purposes, and they can do great things the NSA can
as well.
Right? Okay, so that was like his, it, that whole little
exchange was weird. He play play this one, this is the Snowden
can sleep at night. And then there's a big Greenwald plug,
which made me suspicious of the whole event ability to go to
sleep at night to put my head on the pillow. And feel comfortable
that I've done the right thing, even when it was the hard thing.
And I'm comfortable with that.
A good number of Americans of course, feel that because of
what they see as an act of treason, they sleep less soundly
at night, fearing this massive leak of secrets has endangered
the country. And there is more on the way Glenn Greenwald says
the next story he is going to publish based on the Snowden
documents may be the biggest yet in terms of impact.
And this, of course, is the promise that grand reenroll is
going to publish names of people surveilled, name names. There
was another little Greg Greg Greenwald thing in there, which
I found interesting, which I don't think you picked up on.
And that's
the reason that the journalists have been required by their
agreement with me as the source, although they could obviously
break that or do whatever they want. But I demanded that they
agree to consult with the government to make sure that no
individuals or specific harms could be caused by any of that
reporting.
So this is something that we've already known, but it's rarely
really discussed is that every single story, even the ones that
come out on, you know, the fabulous intercept, are always
vetted through the government. And we know that this was
happening. When he was at The Guardian. We have the Guardian
editors confirming this and that the government said, No, it's
okay. You know, they didn't even say there was any problem to
national security. And NBC and this is how this ties in John,
NBC has hired Greenwald to be their
government contacts. That includes NBC News, which has
reported on its own batch of Snowden documents and has a
reporting relationship with Glenn Greenwald. Uh huh. Right,
I
saw that I heard that, because I was gonna ask he was going to
clip and now the thing about that clip that I didn't
understand before if true, I don't remember this. Maybe you
can tell me that you remember it was Snowden is the one Snowden
is the one who insisted on government clearance for the
stories. Yes. As opposed to the writers themselves. Yes.
That that was his deal. Yes.
You know that for a fact that that was the way it was done.
Because no, I don't of course, I
don't I have no, I
have no, it seems to me as though the writers are looking
for, you know, it's kind of I would say covering it looks like
they need to cover any cover. Because if I get a bunch of
stuff, and I'm going to write about it and I but I say the
national security writer, I'm probably somehow affiliated with
some agency or other but I'm writing about his and I gotta go
and take my writing and say, Here's the article I'm running.
Can you approve? You know, I can do this. Is it okay dump boss,
to the government and they say okay, well, you don't want this
but you can do this, this and this. And then and then I get
caught for doing that. I look like I'm not much of a jerk.
List. Yeah,
exactly. I think this is more towards the public. That and
I've heard Greenwald do this a number of times, he talks about
his deal with his source. You know, and I guess this is some
holy thing. Either I, I don't know how. Yeah, I agree. I often
it's like no, of course, he won't reveal your source. That
is usually how it works. But it's not typical. I don't think
that you have a deal as to how you will use the information.
And I think that isn't based purely use Well, if I could just
interrupt for a moment here, this is Greenwald, he was on C
span, he did this big. book promotion. Let's just call it
what it is a big book promotion. And this is the very end of
course, he's very, very happy and very pleased with himself.
It because a little telling about these relationship with
this source and, and what he's doing, and, of course, how
awesome he is. I don't
make any apologies at all, for having written a book, I've been
working on surveillance issues for eight years, I want to
maximise every platform that I have to go around the world and
talking about why the surveillance policies are so
dangerous, why government secrecy is so dangerous, urging
people to protect their own privacy and talking about the
reasons why that's so urgent. It was just announced today that
Sony Pictures purchased the book in order to make a film about
it. I'm thrilled about that as well, when, when I was growing
up, I was obsessed with the film All the President's Men, it
reached me about duties of journalism in a way that I
probably never would have been reached. And I think the book
and the film will reach people in all sorts of ways that
wouldn't otherwise engage people. I'd be great
independently wealthy and could spend five months pouring my
heart and soul 10 hours a day into a book without getting paid
and making a living. Like pretty much every journalist and every
person from Noam Chomsky to everybody else who might be
admired, who's written a book, you need to get paid for your
work like everybody else does. And I don't make any apologies
for that as well. My duty to my sore neck did he just
say, He's saying I'm making money on this and who gives a
crap is to bring the message that he wanted to bring in to
listen to his duty to his source, this is the whole point
of the clutters back it up two more seconds, here we go. Is
for that as well, my duty to my source is to bring the message
that he wanted to bring
to the world. Now this is interesting. Listen to what he's
saying my duty to my source is to bring the message to the
world that is not typically a journalist duty, a journalist
duty is to bring the truth.
Now that's the duty of an apostle. Or
if your source is the CIA, then you have a duty to that source.
Yeah, that would be true. And you know, it didn't listen to
what he else
does. I don't make any apologies for that as well. My duty to my
source is to bring the message that he wanted to bring to the
world as effectively as I can and writing stories and going on
the media and writing books and doing films are all really
important ways for me to do that. And that's what I intend
to keep doing.
All right. Okay.
Great. One thing that he's I've noticed only recently is this
association with Noam Chomsky.
Oh, yes. Why do you think that is? I'm wondering
myself because it just started to appear. And Chomsky is a very
sketchy character to begin with. I've never liked the guy. I
think he's a trickster. I think he's really good at twisting
words. He said he's a linguist. And he knows how to present
things in a very propagandistic way his use of adjectives and
adverbs in the way he does them in his arguments is extremely I
think nefarious. And he's not a I don't think he's a good guy.
He's although he denies this now. I remember him doing it,
which was supporting the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot. No, until
they found out that this was on you know, as the wrong side of
history as it were. And he keeps cropping up in in this he's a
very critical of the United States. Beard subversive type of
guy. This Chomsky character, okay, that's something we need
to I just find it very strange that this is only within the
last couple of months is that somehow he's got his hooks into
Greenwald and I believe because of Greenwald's politics, that
Greenwald is susceptible to the Noam Chomsky thought process,
which I've seen people fall into and they
know I know A lot of our listeners will send me Chomsky
articles.
Yeah, it will ruin a Chomsky is one of those it's like an evil
thing to say I don't believe in this sort of thing is a mystical
thing. But I believe it's like, an evil is the wrong word. But
just bad policy to read Chomsky uncritically because you will be
sucked into a into the wrong way of of your mind will not work
correctly.
And I need to point out that a very good policy in general for
your overall physical health is to not watch news not not read
news. You could probably just listen to this show once or
twice a week and get enough and then carry on with your life and
do other things that are more important. Right, you can get
sucked into any of
the I'm talking about this is that a lot of this is just
casual getting sucked into nobodies like, try I mean, I
don't believe Brian Williams. Is that evil, you know, as Oh, I
Oh, no, I disagree.
I think that Chomsky is,
at the end of the day, when it comes to most media, the whole
idea is to get you to engage in more of their media, or more of
their entertainment products,
especially the entertainment efforts. Now, let's play this
last couple of clips and get this over with. I thought this
was a funny way to answer a question. This is Snowden when
he's asked what he missed what he misses from the US, or what
would he miss? The question is, Snowden asked, What would you
miss? Sorry? Yeah. Okay.
Do you see yourself as a patriot?
I do. You know, I think Patriot is a word that's, that's thrown
around so much that it can be devalued nowadays. But being a
patriot, doesn't mean prioritising service to
government above all else. Being a patriot means knowing when to
protect your country, knowing when to protect your
constitution, knowing when to protect,
I was bummed out that he mispronounced constitution.
And I was bummed out by effects as your constitution instead of
good catch, good catch. Ah, instead of my Yeah, or the
knowing when to protect your constitution, knowing when to
protect your countrymen from the violations of an end
encroachments of adversaries. And those adversaries don't have
to be foreign countries. They can be bad policies. They can be
officials who you know need a little bit more accountability.
They can be mistakes of government and simple overreach
and things that should never have been tried but
many in government say Snowden should pay for what he has done
whether or not he comes home What do you miss about home?
Think the only the only answer to something like that for
somebody who's in my situation is you know, what don't I miss?
What would you miss? You know, what wouldn't you miss?
Interesting. My. And I was all alone watching this Miss Mickey
had a dinner with some people and I had the same kind of vibe
about that answer. Like, yeah, yeah. What wouldn't it? Yeah,
there's so much What wouldn't I miss as an American as a true
weirdo Yankee Doodle American? Is that strange? Is that a weird
answer?
Well, I thought the answer was
I thought if I was held captive, that's the answer. I would
probably give.
Well, why wouldn't I miss? I don't like the answer. I didn't
like the way he handled that question. I think throwing it
back at Brian Williams, which he did, too. What would you mean? I
mean, I found the whole thing to be I don't know it just bothered
me somewhat condescending maybe?
Well, I don't think it was that then he goes on says I missed I
did any that goes on back. We didn't I didn't clip the whole
damn thing. But he goes on to say that he would miss his
family again. leaves out the girlfriend. Yeah. Which I find
peculiar. I
mean, if he maybe had a hard time dumping or anyways, I'm
happy I got maybe this
is the whole reason.
I was afraid to dump my girlfriend. You know, she's a
psycho.
Psycho girlfriend. I finally got out from under. Yeah, that's
always possible. Long Shot. Long Shot. So the last clip I have is
Snowden wants to come home. And there's a little teaser at the
end, which I find these things to be annoying. If I could
go anywhere in the world that place would be home.
Oh, and when we continue an American and Russia Edward
Snowden talks about what his life is like now in exile, and
how he feels about coming home.
I had one other little thing here. which was about the
process that he says he went through to bring up these gross
overreaches to his superiors inside the inside the agency
inside the system
that I've called on Congress to write a letter to the NSA to
verify that they do write to the Office of General Counsel and
say, Did Mr. Snowden ever communicate any concerns about
the NSA is interpretation of its legal authorities?
Now about that last point there about the paper trail that
Snowden says exists within the NSA. So far, NBC News has
learned from multiple sources that Snowden did indeed send at
least one email to the General Counsel's Office, raising policy
and legal questions, we have filed a request under the
Freedom of Information Act to look for any other records.
And I would love to see the one that he filed. But I think
that's not to be underestimated. He did bring this up. And he did
go through a procedure. And the procedure for the
whistleblowers, that the President put in place was not
actually active when he tried to do this. We already discussed
that on the show. I didn't go into effect.
Whistleblowers in these in this situation, or other situations
had been ruined, is not a thing. And so any disingenuous jerk off
and I would put a lot of these characters who come on TV that
said, Well, he should have gone through channels, he should have
done this, he should have done that. All you have to do is do a
little research and found that get people who tried to go
through channels, literally had their lives ruined by these
agencies led by the FBI, mostly. And it's ridiculous. And so
anyone who says that is is a is a phoney, and I would put the
number of people in that camp, including Hayden, who I think
has said it right. And I think McCain and others there were
this was just a ridiculous group of people. And they should be,
you know, called out on it.
I'm summarising and I have two external clips. To this. This
was obviously set up. The timing of it is not coincidental. Um,
there's a lot of stuff going on, in fact, very annoying, I would
presume to NBC is this is the Roger Dodger shooting, which
really was the news over the weekend, when they of course
want all the focus attend all the attention focused on this
interview, which is supposed to be the the big one. So the
timing is not coincidental with the year of Snowdens. Support
suppose that asylum ending and on the Today Show, not typically
a show where the Secretary of State would appear? He appears,
and on a on a fine link from his from, I guess, from his palace,
and he is there to promote the interview. And the question is
very simple. Where Edward Snowden says, Yeah, of course,
I'd like to come home. But you know, I don't want to be thrown
in the brig and never heard from again. Which, by the way, you
know, there's something to be said for, you know, if you
really, if he's willing to die for everything he's done, he's
not. You know, and I'm saying it's like,
well, if he has a choice, and he doesn't have to, well, I'm
Woody, but maniac would do that.
Well, but you know, what, what wouldn't I miss? I mean, anyway,
here's the carry helping with the promotion of the show,
when people ask, why are you in Russia? I say, please ask the
State Department.
Well, Mr. Secretary, what about it? Does he have a point? He's
basically saying, but for the US State Department, revoking his
passport, he wouldn't be in Russia at all.
Well, for supposedly smart guy. That's a pretty dumb answer,
frankly.
Yeah, hello, pot kettle calling.
We're gonna get into the who he was what he was, let me just
say, I'm not
gonna get into who he was what he was, which was not the
question. No, he won't answer the question. But that was not
the question whether he was CIA, NSA, a spy or not, which was
what everyone was talking about. That wasn't the question.
Interestingly enough, Mr. Kara's
if Mr. Snowden wants to come back to the United States today,
we'll have him on a flight today.
I think this is a setup. I think the setup is to bring him home.
And still basing it on our assessment are a theory that he
is a CIA asset. He will be brought home and he will go
through some form of process. And we know that negotiation is
taking place as we speak. There are lawyers who confirm this.
This is this is the logical conclusion to this entire issue.
We'd be delighted for him to come back and he Come back and
delighted. And that's what a patriot would do. Oh, Patriot
would not
carry, right? I said Kerry would know when you
throw your medals,
hey, and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other
country, a patriot would stand up in the United States and make
his case to the American people.
And I believe that's exactly what's going to happen. John, I
believe that has
to happen because of Kerry would get that actually may be
interesting, because what Kerry said, right, there is not the
way it would be handled under the Espionage Act, which is what
Snowden is, exactly. No one says no, at the end of the Espionage
Act as a secret trial, I don't get to make my case that exactly
exact now. So what what just happened there, which is almost
kind of a legalistic thing, if Carrie, they could use that
maybe the leverage they need Carrie, maybe setting this up
for that possibility? I
believe that is what's happening and make his case to the
American people. But he's refused to do that to this day,
at least. The fact is that, you know, he'd come home, but he's a
fugitive from justice, which is why he's not being permitted to
fly around the world. It's that simple. Hadn't he knows it.
Have you softened your stance at all with regard to his alleged
conduct here? I noticed earlier this year, you said that there
were disclosures about the NSA made because of Snowden, that
you yourself, were not aware of that constituted NSA overreach,
does that change the calculus at all for you?
The calculus, there it is in calculus, eight, that word
pay up to the justice system, let him come back and make his
case
again, make his case. The fact is that,
you know, he should, if he cares so much about America, and he
believes in America, he should trust in the American system of
justice, but to be hiding in Russia and authoritarian
country, and to have just admitted that he was really
trying to get to Cuba. I mean, what does that tell you? Really,
I think he's confused. I think it's very sad. But this is a man
who has done great damage to his country violated his oath, which
he took when he became an employee. And yes, in fact,
stole an enormous amount of information and released it to
the public, to the detriment of his country.
So to me, it appears the script is playing out, we're all fools
for just you know, oh, well, this is just so coincidental is
Brian Williams has an interview is so simple, everything fits
nicely, when I didn't even know that it was made. But you're
right. It was May when he went over there. Yeah, it's a year.
All right. Now, there is one real issue we still have to
cover. The CIA's asked for setting him up and and getting
him to do all this. And of course, you know, I'm gonna have
to think that, you know, Carrie, and all these guys, they all
want to knock down the NSA because of the blackmail angle.
And it's true, the NSA knows way too much can get to way too
much. And we've just heard too many examples of what could be
happening and what probably is happening, certainly as it
pertains to politicians and the Cabinet and the President and
Congress. So let's get some information from the CIA. Here's
the well, he says he's ex CIA, Bob Baer. And of course, they're
never ex CIA. Trust me, Bob bear in particular. Yes, he is. You
know, you get on the pundit payroll. It's project pundit, it
exists. And these guys, they get books written for him and they
get talking points and they get on all the shows. And Bob, he's
having a hard time but he is going to definitely discredit
Snowden CIA angle, which is what the big promotion was of this
interview. I'm a CIA spy
Edward Snowden was a spy. That's
I love Carol. Hold on a second. I just realised something. I
gotta I gotta play this combo. Hold on.
Edward Snowden was a spy. Oreos are just as addictive as
cocaine.
Oreos and justice dig addictive as cocaine and
what Snowden was a spy. That's what he told NBC. The man who
leaked the 1000 NSA documents says he was not a low level
systems administrator but a CIA spy. Wow. Now for some
perspective. We're seeing a national security analyst and a
former CIA operative. Thanks. So So what's Snowden really a spy?
No. I mean, I wonder about his credibility. Now. When he was in
Geneva. He was a systems administrator. The CIA doesn't
take contractors and turn them into spies. Yes, he had some
sort of cover there. Yes, he had a name he used in correspondence
when they when he communicated with Langley, but he wasn't a
spy and
when he communicated with Langley,
yeah, everybody you know when I communicate with Langley I have
a secret name.
Langley.
Fantastic. That's great. Hold on a second. I got to communicate
with Langley. Okay, I'm done. The
National Security Agency doesn't have spies overseas, so I have
no idea what he's talking about. Yeah.
I mean, that's a pretty blanket statement. Clearly the
documents that he hacked from the National Security Agency are
legitimate, but his his personal credibility. I wonder about what
well, you
know, you know what Snowden says? He says the government is
trying to discredit him by downplaying his true position.
Americans are split on stone. So why why would he lie about such
a thing? And if he were somewhat of a spy, wouldn't that more
easily explain how he had access to all of those records? All of
those papers?
No, it's just the National Security Agency is sloppy and
compartmented.
Don't you love it? Give him the needle
else and he was able to get through those firewalls. Get
into them and read them. He and I are very good at hacking. But
he was a trust me Carol. He was not a spy. I mean, I just I
spent too long in this profession. It's not possible in
any sense. In everything I've heard he's a systems
administrator as
nonsense was just beside the point it's obviously he scolding
Snowden to shut up exactly that's notice knows what he's
doing stone is bringing this up because it's Hey, you guys were
supposed to get me back six months ago. Yeah. Where is my
where's my when you recover? I forgot what it's called. But
when you when you extra, where's my extraction team. And
again, the National Security Agency does not have spies
overseas. It's got people that because their lane monitor
computers and the rest of it that sit in a vault, the little
weeny
boys is what they are a little geeky boy sitting in a vault,
they get to know they don't know they have no spy. They got no,
you know, craft spy craft. They got none of that this gives it a
weenie boys with the computers.
But I would hardly call out us being a spy. I don't like it's
not really like a spy and we kill people. We drone people
like the CIA
National Security Agency snooping into my phone and
keeping databases on. Oh really, you don't like it? Necessary?
It's subject to abuse and I fully agree with that. But on
the other hand fleeing to Russia in my terms it's an enemy the
United States whether we like it or not look now listen to this
don't forget Crimea. Let's don't forget the Ukraine.
Excuse me. Snowden did all this before Crimea and Ukraine was
was in the news and an issue is all before that.
They are not our friends. He went to the other side and that
is a real problem for especially people like me that worked in
the Cold War.
That's great. That's the Clip of the Day give it really
Oh, that's very kind. Thank you very much. And I have to say
I should keep an eye out for that every time I've seen Bob
Barr so just bear he's five always thought he was hilarious.
Just always add him he's always worked
well this is the we went too far on this. I think I think he's
gonna get a memo on that one blew it he blew it he blew and I
must say that I have become a weird fan of Carol on CNN.
Seriously, she she comes across as something has changed also
with CNN there's I see new faces. I see a big push. They
finally someone I guess Zucker finally is caught on like hey,
it's you get more people interested in watching when you
go against the General Government to policy and and you
hop on board with like the VA thing. They're all over that.
They've given Carol some kind of free rein and actually when we
talk more about the Roger Dodger shooting the the she she has
some interesting conversations. I just I've become a we're a fan
in a weird way. And CNN, of course, you know, brings up bile
in my throat, typically. But she has something very weird. That
is, something's going on. It's
changed. Maybe spots on the new year now are Carol watcher.
Happy to be Hey, thank you for your courage, John. And I'd like
to say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak.
Well, in the morning to you, Adam C. Curry. Yay. I want to
also say in the morning all the ships and sea boots in the
ground feet in the air subs in the water, and also the Dames
and the Knights out there.
Yes. And in the morning to everyone in the chat room. No
agenda stream.com no agenda, chat. dotnet in the morning to
our artists. Martin JJ came in again with the best artwork. We
need more help on this. We need diversity not that I don't feel
good about Martin J. J's work, but where's the where's the
diversity? where's the where's the work?
I want to remind people about I probably shouldn't do this every
time but I via maybe I do one some month. But I want to remind
the artists out there that Martin J. J goes way back. He
was one of the submitters that used to say, month after month,
year after year, he would submit crap until he got the hang of it
now he just everything is gold. And that's the way is done.
That's the way all things are achieved is through
perseverance, perseverance and attempts and you just throw it,
you know, you say, done, I'm gonna try this, let me try that.
And it also changes the way your brain works, and then you just
get good. And that's what he's done. He's about almost a great
example of the way the mind works.
And it's one of the hardest things to do, by the way, is
really one of the hardest things to do.
Art is very difficult. This is Yeah. I mean, in the early days,
when we were just getting started with the spot art, you
know, it's just a couple of issues the picture of the two of
us, which we now reject all pictures of either or both of
us. And some stupid seen and it was just it was just kind of
casual. I was in it was interesting for what it was. But
then we started getting creative input in the jar generator help
to Yeah, and then next thing you know, we actually have, you
know, a lot of submissions if you're entertaining itself in
itself. I want to thank a few executive and Associate
Executive producers. Actually, we both want to thank them.
There's only three because we had a holiday I want to mention
this happens when there's a holiday week we have lousy.
Here's the exam, I pick up the checks from the post office on
Wednesday. Generally speaking, the we get between 10 and 20
checks of all sorts $11 $5 $500 And
a lot of these are automatic bank checks that
are automatic bank checks, we usually get maybe one or two
personalised checks that are sent in by hand and it's like I
said between 1020 Maybe 30 sometimes because some come in a
big bunch. I've never actually gone to the especially on a long
we had a lot you know it's from the from the Sunday show to the
Thursday shows the long part of the week. I've never gone to the
bank and opened the box and found two checks. Now that was
to me is part of the holiday problem.
And you know, we have a big religious holiday coming up,
which is Ascension Day. Well, ascension, is it. Yeah, it's a
big European holiday. religious holiday.
Well, we'll have that'd be another bad week. Yeah, but I've
never seen that. And I think it's I don't know if anyone that
post office even work this week, I think they took a week off
with so we have three Associate Executive or two executive
producers and one Associate Executive Producer. And that's
what we got. Just Not that I'm complaining. I'm just
complaining about the holidays that people have to realise that
you have opportunities here to to get your name mentioned
easier. Robert rock in Anchorage, Alaska, and I thought
he had a note in here. Now I'm gonna have to go to the email
because I'm not going to pass this one up.
Rock rock, rock don't call. Maybe I do recall.
Or Robert rock, a pal, William low rock via Pay Pal. I don't
see a rock.
Hold on a second. I can take a look.
The AMA says email it would be under Nice. Yeah, he uses the
member at pay pal.com away comes through. Oh, here it is Robert
Joseph rock
at gmail.john@curry.com everybody. How's that working
out? Are people sending an email?
No, I got nothing. Nobody I got finally, Sarah sent me an email
saying you know you don't get any love. Adam gets all the good
email that he gets to read. You get nothing and so she's now
sending me a cool stuff.
Oh, is that Sarah are saying oh, so I didn't reply to one of her
emails and immediately she's peeved and emailing you. Okay, I
get it. I get it.
Anyway, no, I got no note from him under his Gmail address or
anything else. But anyway, Robert rock sent in $529.14 from
Anchorage, Alaska, where all the money is. So we'll hear from him
later. I'm sure it's meanwhile Servette of Luke Vander helm
317 30, which is what it amounted to, after he sent in a
bank transfer
and did this come through. He's always complaining about the the
SWIFT system and he wants us to use the European system, which
we can't, we can't know. But it's very nice of him to support
the programme. He did
that and 317 30 and he has just random messages that we do a
great job and he didn't have anything special to say. John
Carlson Tonight. $20.22 from Brookings, South Dakota says
after listening to show for nearly five years I'm honestly
impressed. There are a few people I can talk to more than
for more than a half hour straight and I can listen to You
guys for at least two and a half. So with SO SO worth my
time I've successfully hit several friends and co workers
in the mouth I need to give my gorgeous girlfriend a shout out
and request some job karma. Because if anyone deserves it
she is the one from South Dakota to Tampa, Florida and moved to
North Dakota for the jobs to Tampa Florida for and although
there's a lot of nice clubs in Tampa, for and after selling all
of our crap and moving out of the tundra. Seeing her land and
awesome job will be the icing on the cake. Keep up the great
work. Thank you for your courage. Oh, all right. That
sorry that we conclude our executive producer.
This is I need to give her jobs karma. Yes. I want to make sure
I do this jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
You've got karma?
Oh, I do have a nice little a PR note. From Robert Jenkins, CEO
of cloud sigma. I think he may be Sir Robert, I'm not sure.
Adam good news. I've set up dedicated BitTorrent Sync
servers in our clouds as well as my desktop computer in our Sofia
office, that will be Bulgaria. I'm syncing the latest show
folder, the archive and the jmz archive folders as well. I've
set up servers in San Jose, California, Ashburn, Virginia,
Zurich, Switzerland, and Sofia, Bulgaria. With the exception of
Sofia, they also have multiple 10 Giga floppy pipes with no
traffic shaping, so they can stream and multiple gigabit per
second speeds, no problem, they will run 24/7 and have unlimited
bandwidth. I hope this helps with faster distribution to the
listeners. Also, I'll add nodes in Miami and Hawaii in the next
couple of months. This is great. So this is the BitTorrent Sync,
which is still in beta. And you know, there's pluses and minuses
some it doesn't work for some people for some reason. Although
I have heard if you turn on the the search for search the HFT
network in the preferences that that appears to work much
better. But to have these dedicated servers is a huge
help. And I believe it's still this kind of the future of money
media distribution, where your audience is participating in the
distribution of the programme. I love the whole concept.
Yeah, yeah, I like the idea.
It's not a full it's not a full on solution. But yeah,
I believe that the BitTorrent operation in general is under
attack by the government. Uh huh. Because it's so it is it's
so effective the way you describe it. It just seems to be
not part of the way things are going well,
there is, of course, a flaw there is a central ping server
or tracker or something that the BitTorrent guys control. And so,
you know, even though it's all and we don't need security on
these files, you know, we just need them to be you know, we
need the peer to peer function to work. There's another
application, we actually don't want security on the files. We
want these files to be freely traded.
Yeah, but it's more that you're not you're you're getting the
actual file and no, yeah, you do need that we need a proof of
like, some kind of hashing stuff, whatever. The example,
there is something you know, yeah. So of course, that could
be an issue. There's one of another one of our producers,
Joe Jones, that Joseph Jones is working on some other concepts.
And this is something called sync thing, which is now coming
out, which is completely open source. Not quite the same as
BitTorrent Sync, but there's things are evolving, and I'm
very happy to see that and
thoughts on TrueCrypt.
Yeah, you know, it's weird. There's only really two ways it
can be. One is don't use it. Because it's it truly is
compromised. The other one is, don't use it, because we have to
tell you that because otherwise you'll get shot.
That's possible. That's the only time I've always been concerned
with TrueCrypt. That story for months, given the background so
well. TrueCrypt came out. TrueCrypt is one of the
encryption systems that a lot of people that personal computer
users use to encrypt files, encrypt disks, encrypt
something. And they have it's always been kind of a secretive
operation. It used to be called anyway, say they've come out and
said that we've been compromised. We're not we're
turning off the whole process. We're out of here. So they shut
it down. The original version of this used to be called Dr.
Crypt. And it was a I guess, 10 or 15 years ago when they
switched it to true crypt. And I've always been kind of
suspicious because Dr. Crypt I thought was a better product.
And it also incorporated a couple of the Swiss banking
encryption systems that the US was telling people not to use,
which I I always thought it was absolute. Yeah,
that's weird.
They don't use that. And they took that out, although some a
JC says that it's still in the source code and you can find a
way to turn it on. And
there is a there is a fork on, I think maybe Debian that is still
out there. There's a couple of forks, but I don't know. You
know, there's, there's the famous was the Exedy. cartoon.
It was what it is the not Exedy you know, the little tech
cartoons? No. I was like, two guys, two geeks. And I got we
got to Krypton, this, you know, they can't decrypt it with that
set up a whole multi million dollar cluster to decode my
494,096 at RSA encryption, voila. And then the next frame
is Yeah, or they could use a $5 wrench to keep hitting you on
the head until you finally give up the password. Which is
pretty, pretty telling right there.
That's really the Yeah, well, I mean, most of the time, they the
way they, I mean, they've ever makes a big deal about the
encryption. But if you can, if somebody can plant a key logger,
on your machine, there's so many ways to get your, your toast and
key the there was a company out of New Zealand, which is
which is also there was an article about that recently that
discussed the chips in certainly in the Macintosh products. And
this was when the the GCHQ came to destroy the computers that
had the Snowden information at The Guardian. And but there was
there was a whole article about the specific the keyboard
controller specifically, which also had to be destroyed. And
they were very particular about that. And so of course, the
question is, oh, what's going on in the, you know, it's to have a
built in key logger. A huge buffer is not hard to do, of
course, just for keys. And
back, back in the days when compact was still in business,
there was a company in New Zealand that made compact
keyboards that were plug compatible and look just like
your keyboard right on your machines that will have a built
in key logger, right. And there's no way that anyone could
do anything about that. Because you're as you're typing away,
you're logging everything you do. And there's your passwords.
But anyway, it's hopeless.
XKCD that's what I was talking about those cartoons. Before we
forget, we do have a show on Sunday. So I'd like you to
remember this. And we've had this weird week we have the
weird holidays, of course, good Memorial Day, not weird, but
there, it makes it weird for us. And so we do need all the
support that we can get to vorak.org/a and of course, we
would always like you to continue to go out there and
propagate our formula. Our formula is this. We go out. We
hit people in the mouth
anyway, so that's it for today's show, I
think. For what for everything. Oh, no, we
got more show to do.
Yeah, I did a little bit of work. On Roger, Dodger.
No, yeah, I let you do that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah,
thank you. That doesn't sound condescending at all. Yeah,
yeah. I let you do that. Thanks. I'll let you do that. Thanks.
Appreciate it. So
where the show works you know you don't something I don't do
something and I know it's done
I know I'm just saying that because you nevermind so this is
a perfect storm obviously. Before it really is I mean this
is this is there's so many things to be discussed here.
You get a lot of notes on this because we call the area creepy
yeah but
only one person really who's from there respond and even he
don't think was actually from Santa Barbara. A lot of people
well yeah, we got a lot of notes about the area but the things I
don't want to do is I don't want to go too in depth about you
know, it being a hoax or not or all the above it makes no sense.
There's a couple things we need to focus on. And how it is
because immediately this was used for political game that of
course is to me that's really disgusting how that takes place.
That's really not okay. When that happens then it was done in
a number of ways. I think for last I will save the the yes all
women hashtag which there's a lot going on with that which is
very interesting also being used for for political gain, but
there's something very real happening there which I want to
talk about. But we have the war on crazy and this is the It's
very easy, people are very easy to compare autism and a spot on
the so called spectrum. And remember, this is all set up by
the DSM, which is really just a manual that allows a so called
doctors to pretty much prescribe drugs to kids. And I'm not a big
fan of the DSM, but also ash Berger, to basically compare
these symptoms as described to mental illness, this is a big is
a big problem. Because at any point, you or your spouse or
your friend or your parents or your children could be diagnosed
as being on the spectrum. There is
a you know, I think, from your perspective, Tourette's flags,
of course, it's honestly,
I don't think I don't know if it's actually literally on the
spectrum. But it is a huge symptom. It's a red flag for
being on the spectrum to have Tourette's, for sure. Spinning
but also cussing Tourette's and being intelligent. You're on the
spectrum.
Right? If you're too smart,
yeah. And so, of course, this fits into the we need to have
background checks, and we need to have doctors need to have the
ability to speak up and identify when something like this takes
place, very little speak or conversation about the three
Asian gentleman who were killed in their sleep, apparently, it
his roommates with a knife, and I and this does not fit the
scenario at all. He did not as a single point save I hate Asian
computer. The computer science students, which is what they
were and then to stab them to death in their sleep is very
strange. And there's no explanation also no analysis, of
course. Of that. there and what's what's interesting to me
is who the media is bringing to the forefront and who the media
is not bringing to the forefront. And there's, well
let's start with Don Lemon. Who This is CNN, of course, who
brings on someone who knows. Elliot Rodger from the past and
this is Lenny Shaw.
back now with more on the deadly University shooting in
California. I want to bring in a man who knew Elliot Rodger and
says he had his own concerns about him. His name is Lenny
Shaw. He's a former substitute teacher who knew Roger through
two of his high school friends, and he joins me now. Thank you
so much for joining us this evening here on CNN. How did you
come to know Elliot Rodger? Thank you for having me, Don?
Well, as I said, I met Elliot Rodger through a group of my
former students. So once they became adults, I stayed in
contact with them. And he he was not one of my students himself,
though. What was your first impression of him? Mr. Shaw? My
first impression of him is that he was very shy and awkward.
Also intelligent though. He was standoffish, he wouldn't really
talk to you. Unless you talk to him. Did you think he could be
dangerous at any point when you met him? Now when I first met
him, but and no one can conceive of anything like this happening?
But about three years ago, I did mention to some of these mutual
friends I said, If I ever had met anyone that fit the bill of
a potential mass murderer, it was Elliot Rodger. So it was it
was surreal when I got the news early Saturday morning,
so this is always lovely when I hear this okay, what are you
trying to prove? what point are you bringing in Yeah,
it's funny because I think I don't know what this is bullcrap
or not but I do know that I myself and I think you do it to
everyone so where you go to some event or some party and then you
come back and you say you're with your with your wife or a
friend or whatever, you deconstruct what you just went
through and somebody you know that guy could be a mass
murderer. Is your meat so it's over that guy's a creep he
couldn't be that far. Yeah, there's a bit there's a mass
murderer. I mean, I I've done that. i You must have done it to
the when you come, especially Mickey must be a net analysed
people all women do it and say, Oh, that guy's a creep. But
here's a pervert, you know, they know in advance. So I know. So I
because all
women have had to deal with that. Yes, they have
to deal with perverts and creeps and massive murderers.
Well, this guy immediately starts dialling it back when
dawn circles around to what he just said was confirmed
that it was Elliott kind of puts you on the spot here, but why
didn't you do anything about it?
That's a good question. Thank you, Don. No, but no,
just a dime Question If people do that all the time, when you
do once you call the cops
will hear that
there was a creep, I'm not gonna call the cops on him.
I really wasn't in a position to I didn't know his family at all.
I was I mean, you know, I knew him, but I only saw him about
seven or eight, maybe 10 times at the most. And, you know, I
did not really feel it was my place to I wasn't close enough
to the situation. There were a lot of adults in his life, older
adults that were in a much closer position. So I didn't
feel that it would be appropriate for me to step in.
It. Here's the thing, when when CNN brings on people like this,
I do something very strange. And it was only of course, because
we have this programme and we have I don't have to have
meetings with advertisers. The guy I googled the guy exactly
who is this guy they're putting on as some expert, because of
total jabroni. He had a show called studio seven one a
little magic in your life. Then take a stroll through the
psychic fair. Come on.
Right, Brian Brushwood?
I don't know Brian Brushwood personally, but I would not put
this on him. That's just mean and welcome
once again to studio seven. Your link to the cutting edge. I'm
Lenny Shaw. We have a fascinating show for you
tonight. My guests, Carol Krauss and Richard Stratton among
others, have taken a rather mundane suite of offices in the
San Fernando Valley and turned it into an intriguing and
numinous place where they have periodic psychic fairs where you
can get readings and astrology taro get your picture taken by
Nora camera and other fascinating guys a kook. He's a
total Kook get your picture taken by an aura camera, please
camera. And most of the time you take out a studio in the San
Fernando Valley is not for a psychic. No,
it's for porn.
It's for porn. Hello, world capital for porn.
So here is the and again, this is I can only do this because
I'm not doing meetings with advertisers. And we are getting
by so I can do this full time. Thank you. And I hope we're
providing some value here. So one of the people who was not
showing up anywhere is his therapist, Dr. Charles Sophie,
who was mentioned once or twice and I remembered I wrote down
the name to track it. And it's not come up. But why not?
Because Dr. Charles Sophie is not only a psychiatrist and
Medical Director for LA County's let me get the whole article.
He's a big wig. He is a big wig, direct medical director for Los
Angeles County's beleaguered Child Welfare welfare agency.
And he carries two cell phones in his pocket. One BlackBerry 10
I'm reading from the LA Times tethers him to his county job
where he's responsible for the mental health needs of nearly
20,000 foster children. The second kept in a plastic case
adorned with images of dollar bills is reserved for his
Beverly Hills based private psychiatric practice, where his
patients have included Paris Hilton, and for scheduling
appearances on television interviews and reality shows.
Among his recent on camera sessions was counselling of Real
Housewives of Beverly Hills cast member Taylor Armstrong and her
husband Russell, before Russell Armstrong committed suicide. The
guy does have death in his in his wake, apparently. So this
guy is very interesting. Why is he not being interviewed? Why is
he not showing up anywhere? And if this was his, the shooters,
the alleged shooters, a therapist who now is a frequent
contributor to the Dr. Phil Show on The Today Show. It wouldn't
be interesting to talk with him
is that what we what it also brings up the point of this is
the high end guy,
very high or cheap, very high end. But but also I'm not
discounting the, you know, the public angle. You know, this is
Child Protective Services. This is there's a lot of weirdness
going on with these types of agencies. And, and I've had a
lot of ESPYS email me we have quite an interesting amount of
Asperger Syndrome producers and they all say the same thing. The
the main character trait of Asperger's is obsession, on one
certain topic or thing and it is very easy to To help someone
obsess over something productive. And by the same
token, it is very easy to push someone towards obsession of
something that is very destructive. And about two or
two people have said if only I could have talked to this kid I
could have helped him very easily and I believe that and
and when you think about this high end guy, and the all of the
political use that has come out of this shooting, this mass
murderer anything over four is categorised as a mass murderer.
It would behove many people to trigger this kid. Now I'm not
saying that's fact. But I'm saying that it does fit with a
number of models. Now. This guy is nowhere no one is showing up.
No one is talking to him. No one's mentioning him. I don't
know why other than he's got a lot of connections in Hollywood,
which of course, is how you can either get on or stay off. But
Dr. Sophy does have a podcast. And I spent some time listening
to Dr. Sophie's podcast. And I found a number of interesting
episodes. And he has a very nice suave voice. He's kind of like I
put them in the Dr. Drew category he does he does stuff
on Dr. Drew show as well. But this was one episode that I
found particularly interesting in the context of misogyny
hatred towards women. And even if I'm just a patient, and I
would presume that the doctor would say, you know, listen to
my podcast, it might be helpful for you. That's not a crazy
thing to think, is it?
No, I don't remember you can find all my book
yet read my book or or listen to my podcast. So now put yourself
in the overly obsessed mind of Elliot Rodger who believes that
women are shunning him and that he has some right to
relationships and sex and he's obsessing over this because of
his situation. And then you hear that and remember,
you can find all of my podcasts on my website@www.dr sophy.com
or on iTunes. This week, we're talking about a very scary
topic.
Oh, what could be very scary, John. Very oh,
I want to listen.
Very scary topic.
Female dating psyche.
Really? That's scary. You got my attention in my boots. Yeah,
we're going to be talking about a woman's sexual desire and
mating strategy. Is there really such a thing? And is there
really such a person that's Mr. Right versus Mr. Right now? Does
it really just meet needs does it really means a bigger picture
of needs that's what we're going to be talking about good guys
versus bad guys. What do women really want?
This is pretty much everything this is this is a this to me
characterises Elliot Rogers thinking, right? They're good
guys. Bad guys. What do women want? What is their psyche? Was
he talking to this child essentially, in this manner with
these words?
Oh, no, I hope they no gender imbalances. Why? And can it make
it hard to find a partner? So joining me today on my female
dating psyche podcast, which is really scary. That's why I'm not
doing it alone is
again, the really scary thing.
Why is it scary?
I don't know. But, you know, maybe he's just sending messages
to patients. I don't know. By the way, I have edited this
obviously for just to make it simple to listen to is
a really well versed and trained as really, really well. He's
gonna give
all the credits. This woman was very well versed and really,
really, really smart
headed expert, Vinita Mehta. She's a PhD, clinical
psychologist and journalist has a tonne of great schools behind
her lots of great degrees. She has a bachelor's from Brandeis
University, her Master's at Harvard. She holds two other
masters and a doctorate from Columbia in clinical psychology,
and has trained both as a scholar and a practitioner
sounds
like she's got all the goods John when
you think sounds like a nut ball, I guess that many degrees
and the yet all these backgrounds and then is ends up
as a journalist is bipolar. Should
I be scared? Again? Should I be scared? What is this? This is
not good if I'm listening, oh my God, my doctor scared my doctor
scared of a woman's says we
shouldn't be scared but maybe concerned. What am I concerned
about? Well, you know, it's it's a very interesting area of
research that's it's uncovering some very interesting findings.
about female sexual desire and female mating strategies and
male mating strategies as well. And what we're finding is in the
in the research is that women are basically doing battle with
two fundamental sexual desires. One would be short term mating
strategies, and the other is long term mating strategies. Now
remember, you're listening to this podcast as someone who was
obsessing over women not wanting to date get laid, you're a
virgin. Yes. And this is the information you're being given
by your doctor.
But they got another voice. Sorry.
This is like the dumbest thing I've heard ever, but go on. What
do you mean? Is it? No, not
that glib? Oh, okay.
This whole thing. I mean, this guy is really scary, scary. And
then he brings out some woman, he's got too many degrees. And
apparently, he's, uh, you know, the girl can't get out of school
and shut out. But this guy isn't all this stuff up.
But this guy Oh, shit. But you know what this guy is in charge
of right? Yeah,
I know. You know, you brought it up the mental
health needs of 20,000 foster children in Los Angeles. So you
set it up fine. It's just like mating strategy. Right? Let's
let's take another voicemail strategy when it's gotten to the
How come they didn't get the MBA and strategy.
Now let's listen to the voicemail that come in when
you're having sex with one of these women? Is
that a strategic partner? I'm sorry.
It's an initial offering, I think is one initial offering in
a strategic strategic partnership. Or long, quiet
mating strategies.
Let's take another voicemail.
Be quiet now. Sorry. Just be quiet. Be quiet for a moment.
Let's take another voicemail. Hi,
my name is Adam. I am calling because
No, I did not call and shut up.
I am on a pretty long dry spell. When it comes to dating.
Listen to the guy. It's important.
And it's not that I don't want to date. I definitely would like
a girlfriend. But it's been several years now. And I'm in my
late 20s. And I just really have no idea what's going on. I don't
think I understand women at all. On paper. I think I make a good
match for a lot of girls. Exactly the profile. But the
point is this, it seemed like the few girls I like aren't that
responsive. So I met a lot. I don't understand at all what's
going through their head. They give all these mixed signals. So
any advice you could have would be more than appreciated. It
might actually steer my life in the right direction. I
remember I'm a patient I've been told to listen, this guy sounds
like me. I'm already scared because my doctor scared gave me
some advice. Thank you.
Interesting. You go first.
Well, hold away. Stop, stop, stop. She said that's a toughy
Uh huh. Why is that a toughy? There's a million guys like
that. How is that a toughy? Here? Let me give you the
question. You're gonna say that's a toughy. Yeah, you know,
I haven't gotten laid in two years. And I'm kind of creepy
and the girls kind of reject me when I come up to him and mash
my body against him. Is there anything? I'm doing wrong? I
don't know. I don't get it. Because it's when it seems to me
that if you go up to a girl and get real close, and you breathe
in her face, and you push yourself up against her and
maybe bump up against the wall like that, you know what I'm
saying? You think they'd be more responsive? I get zero response.
I get slapped a lot.
Oh, wow. That's a toughy Thank you.
Interesting. You go first. Oh, boy. Let me tell you, it's
pretty easy. But you go first. Okay, fair
enough. I mean, I think that actually one of the things that
is so interesting about this is that, you know, this is where I
think a lot of issues around gender imbalances and a
population can come up
Yes. Which is bullcrap. I totally agree. But did you hear
most of what this guy was saying is I don't know what's in their
head. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know why they
don't like me. I did. I think the biggest issue was what he's
thinking you know, bring them to me and they should meet my
standards. That's again what we were talking about in a little
earlier when we said look at your list because it nobody is
going to be perfect but you also have to look at that list in
conjunction with what is you and needs to be addressed before you
do that list. This
is exactly what Roger did. He looked at the list he went down
the list I'm good looking. I come from a good background I've
got the right sunglasses I got the right car.
Lizzy thinks she's a horse this Dr. Sophie
is a dangerous individual. And I'm just there was one other
episode they'll just pay the play a little bit for
I didn't get to play anymore what to hear they got the
Tuffy. No, no, no, no, the it goes on forever. No, no, it's in
the show notes. I want to play this podcast. This is for you.
Actually they
is a really interesting topic. I am sure as you We have seen
tonnes of shows about it and heard about it. There's even
specific shows about it that just really find different
people who do this or have this issue weekly on on their show.
And it's always amazing to me and I'm sure it is to you. Even
though as much as I know and as much as I've traded in a lot
that I've seen, I still continue to be amazed at the extent may
issue and the issue is really about anxiety, which is at the
core, which we'll talk about with our experts today. But
anxiety is the driver of a lot of the issue behind this problem
today, which is hoarding.
Funny, funny, archivist, yes, I know. I love the whole leading
35 seconds to get to play to me. And that was not edited.
Fine. I'm glad you found that clip. Yeah.
Anyway, so I'm surprised that we have these morons on the
television like Lenny Shaw, but not the guy who's always on
television who seems to be related to this case. And then
and then I'm gonna finish up here. We have a new puppet on
the scene. Wow. Simon Astaire. Now silent Astaire I know him
from my arm, our London days. This guy is no slouch. He's an
author. He's an agent. He's been you know, whenever they're
talking about entertainment, but also royalty. You know, the
queen. This guy is a real high end high society bullcrap Brit.
And he now is a friend of the family and is doing interviews
on behalf of the family. And I want to say that that's odd.
Yes. And, yes, very odd. Let me just look at his buggy, his good
catch his wiki page.
I'm glad you followed up on this. I had no interest in it.
But you had to do I think you had this thing pegged a little
better than I did from the beginning. I think so I dropped
estero
was recruited by ICM international creative
management talent agency, where it became a big agency Yeah,
youngest agent yet to be employed by the firm during his
tenure career as head of young artists, including Oscar winner
Rachel Weisz and international sizing ICM he established the
thriving music department in 97 became chief executive protocol
multimedia with diverse media divisions, including personal
representation product and celebrity endorsement and PR.
Working with companies like Bulgari, Giorgio Armani, Calvin
Klein, Alfred Dunhill, Saatchi and Saatchi Charlize Theron was
contracted to Bulgaria's lady Helen Taylor was to Armani and
Calvin Klein. Among Us stairs clients are members of the
Hollywood establishment and the British Royal Family, including
Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, regularly quoted on their
behalf in the national press regularly appears on CNN Sky
News and five and other networks commenting on all key media and
celebrating stories, a trustee of the MTV foundation a
charitable arm to the MTV Networks. His first novel
private privilege was published in 2008 and became a best
seller. The story is a rites of passage to the eyes of a public
school boy, which as we know, in the UK, in England can be very
weird. And he is speaking up buggery going and he is speaking
on behalf of the family. And this is he's on a number of
shows. I think this is ABC.
When I saw them yesterday, I mean, they have literally
diminished in size.
He's talking about the parents who he's speaking on
behalf of, and they've literally dimension size literally didn't
say, figuratively, are they that means they literally Yeah, I
think
that's possible. Ronk I literally I think that when you
go through horrible trauma, I think you can shrink. Yes, you
can. You can you can contract. Yes, I believe that. I think I
think it's a very compelling description of how they are
feeling true or not is irrelevant is very comprised.
Alright.
Well, I saw them yesterday. I mean, they have literally
diminished in size. They're crippled with pain.
You've said that they are mourning the innocent lives that
were taken more than their own son's life.
It's true. Every part of it is talking about that, not about
their son. She tells me that she read the first four lines. And
she knew something was wrong. So she automatically went to
YouTube. She watched 30 seconds of the video and immediately
rang at its father. And she said you have to look at this YouTube
video
right now. This is interesting. He is He is building The
narrative of the story from the parents perspective,
attribution, has to come to this.
And he said, We have to get there. We have to get to Santa
Barbara. And as they're driving up there, they know
intrinsically, something's wrong with Elliot. And then they start
to hear it on the radio.
Now, having previously called the police to do a welfare
check, why do they start driving and not immediately call the
police?
Well, the other thing is who automatically goes to YouTube?
Yeah.
Good. That's exactly well, yes, of course. I think that is
because that made that may have some validity to it, because
they had seen videos previously. And that's why they had the
welfare check done. And according to his so called
manifesto, he had fooled everyone and taken them down and
mentioned this on some of the some of the forum, that forums
that he was writing on. But again, this is just a this guy.
He is a professional storyteller, a paid and
successful a professional PR. Spin, man. He's very good when
Dr. Spin man, I like spin, man, spin man. And here's how he's
building the narrative.
The news flashes, that a black BMW was involved. And that's a
mass shooting was Elliot close with his parents? You know, he
was a very removed remote child. I remember on one particular
occasion, I went to a party of theirs. I walked out and he was
there on the street. All alone. I thought he was the loneliest
person I've ever seen in my life. He was an old child. He
hesitated. He shook when you met him.
Do you know if Elliot was on any medication?
Wow. Finally, someone asked the question. frappe. I know
Finally, I've never
heard that. Anyone ask a question like that. I
understand.
He was on Xanax in the last six months. And I think doctors have
offered to put him on medication before like a year ago. And I
don't know the legal side you see, but I know that he refused
to take it.
And this is when he says I don't know the legal side. This is a
setup. Because the legal side will be you if you it will be a
crime not to take your medication. That's where this is
headed. Xanax? I think although Ed believes Xanax is an SSRI if
I'm not
Yes. Which is not good. No, not good. We had one of our dame's
explained the problem with the sorts of drugs
and whatever other drugs which we will not hear about in this
not taking them as some kind of legal angle which believe me
will come down to I agree. It's a it's a crime to not take your
your mind altering psychotropic drugs on a day to day basis. I'm
sorry, you're absolutely right. When my oh
my god, how long have we had that that jingle? And here it
is. It finally comes true. All right, onward,
day to day basis. Would you say that Elliott's parents were
concerned about him?
Yes, every day, every day. I think their fears, fundamentally
deep down was that he was going to take his own life.
Elliot's mother chin had reached out before fully showed up to
his apartment and now there is an investigation as to whether
or not the correct actions were taken. So there's
no blame to the police whatsoever. Because Elliot
fooled everyone for a very, very long time. He fooled me He
fooled his family. He fooled everyone who saw him he was a
tragic figure. And now when I talk about him, I talk about him
knowing what he did. He is in many ways a monster Wow,
okay, so it's all set now. You know if I didn't know any better
I'd say that this thing was set up by Hillary Clinton. I hate to
say I know I can take it a long way can I? Well, listen to this
conversation is part of it. It was a 15 minute conversation and
now we'll get into the the women thing which is very important
topic. This is a Shannon R Watts who we've discussed on the
programme. She is the former Monsanto PR spokes hole who
changed her name changed her entire for the kind of like a
chameleon became the start a nonprofit. Mom's against guns.
I'm just that's not what it's called. Mom's enough. Whatever
it is, which was recently merged with the Bloomberg, mayor's
against guns.
So now, geo is merging. Yeah, so
she is now on the former Mayor Bloomberg payroll. Yeah. And
then we have Jessica Valenti both on with Chris Hayes. It
doesn't matter. Just listen to the words they are using about
this tragedy, which of course, they rightly so see as a war on
women, and they are taking the misogyny angle, but the words
that they're using are very important because of course,
they're paid to do this.
No, I think that this has been seen in America over and over
when there's an issue that that hits close to a nerve and we're
seeing it now. In my opinion, that means we're winning we are
going to win this war against gun extremists who have set the
policies in this country and if that's the price we pay, so be
a new meme gun extremists new meme there, I'm writing gun
extremists and
if that's the price we pay, so be it we are no longer going to
be silenced. You know, as a mother, I have a right to use my
voice and my vote to show direction this country should go
in and I won't be silenced by gun bullies.
Bullies, which is the key theme here. Bullies, menace winning is
this
Is that is that part of what the are feminists winning very
careful now, this world this dark world that
that this shooter had some relation to and involvement with
and was reading. Is that part of the just looking?
Horrible? No, he's he said he actually he says that he's dumb,
but he says that you don't worry, but just listen to what
she's reading. What's he talking about reading? He's, he's, he's
talking himself into a corner and he says, just trying to find
a silver lining here is nothing. It's Chris Hayes isn't. He's an
idiot. He's an idiot.
Just looking for silver lining. Horrible, horrible news. But I
think
in a way yes. I think feminists are winning, sort of the the
national cultural conversation, the fact that these you know,
hashtags and tumblers take off like they do certainly shows
that people are ready for feminists to win.
Okay, thank you. That is a Hillary Clinton ploy for
feminists to win, we're going to use our vote. Well, who else
could that mean? Elizabeth Warren,
it could it could. Now I will say this. There's been a number
of pro Hillary articles floating around the New York Times and
elsewhere. And they're all about Hillary and Hillary. He's not
you know, she's
gonna move off this topic. But I do have one more thing I want to
talk about.
Elizabeth Warren is not mentioned in any one of them. I
think they're trying to marginalise her. So I just want
people to keep an eye on that.
So then, something that that happened during all of this,
which was started by a, I found out how to how to get to the
original use a hash tag, by the way, which is great. Thank you
very much. A lot of people chimed in on this. You go to
topsy.com by filling the hash tag and then you do reverse date
and you get you know, the the first use and actually yes, all
women was used two years ago a couple times and then this this
one apparently young author started this but I think it was
propagated by Think Progress. They're the ones that really got
it going. So who knows. And this this original hashtag creator
has now made her profile private and whatever. But what really
did happen, and I have a feeling you may have had the
conversation. This really hit a nerve with women in America. I
don't really think they say worldwide, but I think that's
kind of bullcrap. We know people worldwide. I really haven't seen
that. But this yes, all women. Very interesting. Did you have
any conversations with me, me or Jay about this? No. No.
00 Maybe some sort of bullcrap. And Jay wouldn't even know
what's going on.
Well, this hit, they're not glued
to the stream, this stream of bull crap. Well,
it's no good. But yes, all women have dealt with abuse. And they
want men to acknowledge that. And it was just very interesting
to have these conversations. It hit a really deep nerve with a
lot of women I know. And I followed this hashtag for a lot
a long time over the past few days. And I know a lot of women
talking about some pretty deep stuff. Now here's my favourite,
Carol on CNN. And
I sense a theme I cut a
lot out of out of this piece, because there's no opposition
because you can't you can't oppose this. That just No, you
can't have it.
Ideal as an ideal musician, when you can't you have no all up.
It's like Hitler. You can't find any, you know, balance when you
know the only the only thing is pay if you say well, not all men
are like that that is this kind of the yes, all women is almost
set up for you to say that, which is when you get beat over
the head. And I caught myself and it took me a while to figure
out oh, okay. You don't want us to say anything other than Yes.
Yeah. And I do acknowledge it. Absolutely. But does listen to
this conversation. I thought for everything I heard. This was the
most sane conversation and Carol was kind of doing a good job.
I'm I'm impressed with her
tough conversation, but we'll give it a go.
So Kelly, women, especially those in college are scared of
what they call misogynist men who take advantage of them. It's
hard to argue in this climate that they don't have reason to
be right, exactly. And I think what's important to point out
and we also saw the hashtag, quote, hashtag not all men kind
of sprout up here. Women aren't saying all men are like this and
all men to this, but they are saying that almost all women
have felt harassed have been objectified, some even worse,
some, you know, sexually assaulted on campus, as we have
seen the power of social media for victims on college campuses
to kind of bring attention to what's happening, and put
pressure on colleges and universities to do more when
there are these allegations. So you really see sort of this,
from the ground up women talking in real personal ways about what
they say is happening, and why they feel like we have to have a
larger conversation here to stop it.
And when I heard this, the only thing I kept thinking is, well,
what is the common? How do we want to have this conversation?
by electing Hillary,
it's about a broader culture that sees women as prizes as
possessions and as things to which men are entitled as
opposed to human beings. It's a culture where women walk down
the street and are subjected to street harassment all the time.
It's a world where women have to say I have a boyfriend, because
if you just say, Hey, I'm not interested, that's not enough
men will accept that you're another man's possession, but
one except women's right to have their own interests and desires.
This guy is crazy, brought a world some call it a rape
culture, I would agree with it. We encourage the rave culture
and violence against female bodies. Now this guy was had
mental health.
Is this Touray? No, it is it is a black guy. I think it was
brought on specifically for that reason. I'm not sure you I think
he works for Huffington Post.
I just back that in the perfect world. He still would be
violent. But But there's something crazy making about
misogyny as well. And I think it'll be contributed to his
mental health issues.
You know, Kelly, I think that this is this is a great
conversation to have. But again,
I'd like to know, How can a man? And this is this is my question.
The only question I have, how can? How can I as a man
contribute to the conversation? That's all I want to know.
It's a dangerous line, we're walking because I frankly don't
believe all men view women as simply objects. There's
definitely a problem, right, especially at universities with
sexual assault. But, but by having this conversation, some
men might think we're condemning all of them. And they're, the
majority of men are good people. I like that. That is right,
black guy appearance.
And I think you saw that you saw that online. I mean, I've had
conversations even in my own household where, you know, men
who respect women say, Whoa, wait a second, not all men are
like that. And that is true. But I think what I was struck by,
especially as a mom of two girls, those tweets were moms
and parents saying, you know, I tell my girls to watch their
drinks at bars. But do we tell men don't put drugs in women's
drinks? Right?
This is this is the conversation. I think that is
dumb. I don't like the way this conversation is going. It
implies or infers that men only teach their sons, which is
patently not true. And so it's a failure on everyone's part if
we're not teaching basic, wrong and right. And well, let me
finish 20 more seconds. And I'll give you my final thoughts.
I tell my girls be careful so that you're not assaulted on
campus. But do we tell enough of our men to not sexually assault
women? Do we talk about consent? I mean, there's one school Yale
University they talked about consent should just be yes or
no, it should be an enthusiastic Yes. Right. So how much are we
having, you know how I think we need to have more of those
conversations from from kids going through school and on up
and that will help the dialogue and could help how women and men
feel moving forward.
Okay. So here is the danger. And it's very important to me
because of our show. If this moves to a, a point where of
course no No abuse is acceptable. absurd and physical
abuse. Absolutely not for anybody. But there is a point
where I'm worried that you will be condemned for saying, Oh,
here you go. Hey, John, Is she hot? This is what I always say.
You say this constantly. But I also say about men, but that's
beside the point. You don't say it that much
about men agree?
Because that they have to be younger.
Yeah, no, now you're on misogynistic creep. Well, she's
hot.
And, and you know, and this then gets into
Is she hot? always asked me yeah, I'm suppose you know I am.
Or
I'll say she's hot or whatever. But I also talked about,
here's another interesting situation, which is created by
this. You say? Is she hot? And it's somebody we know. And I am
thinking, well, she's kind of odd, I guess. I mean, I've never
thought about it that way. But I can't say that. No, because then
she'll be pissed. Because I didn't agree that that she was
hot, even though women don't like it. Well, you recall I had
you remember the comes a very convoluted situation. I think we
should just stop talking about women altogether. No, that's all
he saw that No.
Well, so the only thing I'm missing here is and I hope it
comes up. But there is an entire industry based upon 12 to 15
year old, predominantly white girls buying music from hip hop
artists. And I beg you to now go listen to these lyrics.
Right? They're misogynistic. Completely. Yeah, out of
control.
So are we now going to ban or are we going to banned Jay Z and
Kanye and and
this Congressman's Khalifa. So I think you're absolutely correct.
In your original assumption. This is about Hillary. It's not
about anything else. It's about Hillary even though I think a
lot of people aren't necessarily thinking it's about Hillary as
they do it. But that black guy sure is. When he goes on about
rape culture, it's rape culture, is bull crap. What kind of rape
culture is he talking about? I'm not living in a rape culture
here in the little town I'm in nobody gets raped here. It's not
a rape culture. So this guy, but that's a Hillary thing. Because
you know, the say that I would say this right now that blacks
who are all in with Obama, he's can do no wrong, huge population
of blacks, and is very few independent black thinkers. They
all just all in Democrat, they all love Hillary, we talked
about this before I was in Oakland. And I went past the guy
selling some, you know, some stuff on the street, and the old
guy there had a Hillary button on. And then we talked about
this guy, and we chatted with him about Hillary. And I don't
know whether even being on Elizabeth Warren they seem to be
a somehow when Bill Clinton claimed he was the first black
president. I guess that was all it took. Whatever the case is,
that's what this guy's doing. He's just a Hillary person. I
don't like all this Hillary stuff I don't think he's going
to do they're trying to do like I said, a minute ago, they're
marginalising Elizabeth Warren, and there's no candidate is
going to run against Hillary.
Well, I celebrate women in all aspects, their intelligence,
their beauty, their powers to give life. And I celebrate that
by saying exactly the way I feel about it. And I will continue to
do that. Well, you don't have any suits telling you to stop.
That's also true.
But I do get worried. But also, I do think there was something
very beautiful about women who were afraid to say, Hey, I've
been abused. There was a lot of that. I mean, I was a little
touched and you know, by women saying, Oh, no touch a lot.
Actually. You know, I was abused by a friend, a family member.
There's a lot of fucking there's a lot of that out there. John,
there's a lot that is really not being discussed. And that's a
conversation Yeah. That there is a lot of that. It is not just
women of course but holy cow. There's a lot of women in my
life who I know
well, how's this new or different from the paedophile
scandals that you have been discussing in the in Holland and
England and the guys who were trying minister was taking kids
on a boat and killing him?
Well, in fact is not different. You look at the Catholic Church
scandals. People were so are these victims were so afraid to
say this to admit this that it's, you know, come out decades
later, when you all did you know, the guy's dead or
whatever. And you know, that can be swept under the rug. And it's
very hard for, for people to come for anyone but women,
certainly in particular to come forward and say this. So I'm No,
I don't know where this is going to go. I have no I have no clue.
I feel sad that that the so called conversation is
essentially being politicised to get people to vote for Hillary.
Because that I agree. That's, that's it. That's everything I'm
hearing. And there's two other things that are happening with
this one is, and this was salon magazine, it should
mention Hillary is going to do nothing for anyone now in that
regard.
Who wrote this? This was in salon magazine written by ah,
Brittany Cooper, and Brittany Cooper says this is a white guy
problem, a young white men problem. So we've, in a way it's
true, if this was a black man, then this would have been, you
know, a thug. If it was a Muslim it would have been a terrorist.
And now it's a white guy, so we have to bring them into the fold
and this is also of course being seen as terrorism which is very
dangerous. You'll hear this more and more by saying you know,
let's just be honest about it. This is terrorism and of course
if you categorise misogyny as terrorism then you can prosecute
someone in different ways and I don't know nothing good comes
from this
at the end of the day it becomes an attack on free speech.
Ultimately well then that that is that is yeah, it's it's
always an attack on free speech. Now bullying being mean.
Yeah, being mean saying mean things. That's a that's
terrorism. It seems to me. Yeah.
Yeah. Being being mean, your terrorist.
Meanwhile, this is going on play the burglar clip. Okay,
cracking down a burglar surveillance photos from Friday
night shows the burglar inside a business on the 200 block of
Castro Street. He broke in and stole $700 police estimate his
age at 60 to maybe 70 years old.
Does anybody find that disturbing? Yeah. 70 year old
man has to steal 700 bucks because of whatever I don't
know. Maybe you know, so yeah. Hungry,
Hungry. very pathetic. Hungry.
Okay, I have another audio. Actually, we may want to take a
break. Well, I can give you an odd clip. But I've got I'll save
it.
I was before that. I was going to mention to
know actually, let's play this clip because this does actually
have something to do with what you just were talking about. And
in an offhanded way, the Hillary way. Way the Christine Lagarde
clip?
Ah disturbing. Oh, yes.
There's people talking as well that Christine Lagarde could be
the next president of the European Commission. It would be
hard for the European Parliament not to endorse her as she's a
woman. It will be hard to not endorse her because she's a
woman. Yes. Wow.
Is that a little sexist? Or am I just imagining things? Well, all
you
have to do is just place in the word, Black, Latino, male,
anything and turn it around? And yes, of course, of course. It's
racist and sexist. And it's, it's the way the world is going.
We need to have a conversation about this.
Yeah, okay. Christine Lagarde, who,
by the way is in court right now. This is not being covered
very well for insurance. This was the embezzlement fraud case
when she was in. She was the finance minister of France. She
can actually serve time for this. When she was Sarkozy's
finance minister. She authorised a 270 million euro payout of 300
million euro payout to one of Sarkozy supporters Benar toppy
Tapie who there was something some lawsuit and she essentially
I think it was he was he claimed he a credit Leon a bank had
cheated him. When when when they sold his sports Empire or
something like that. And this went all the way then was this
one up pretty high and then eventually, she made sure that
he got paid off but then he used a lot of that money to help get
Sarkozy reelected that's kind of ate in a nutshell. And this is
not being covered.
He stuff going on when Sarkozy was getting well yeah, and you
had the woman from the was the fashion empire was who was that?
Remember? She also was slipping money to him? A lot of stuff got
it, but this is not really being covered because I don't know. As
a woman you can't apparently what new surface
was that? That said that? That was France 24
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You do? Come out, you know I do. Can I Yeah, though I've let me
explain why to people out there listeners, because he won't
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Right. But I need to give him some props. Okay, I'd like to do
that in the form of a clip, which is somewhat long. From
security now. Steve Gibson. I have to say I was very, very,
very impressed with what happened. I don't even know if
Leo actually knows how good it was. He had a guy on Bret glass
I think is his name. Yeah. And he runs a wireless ISP. And this
Brett guy I recognise he's been around for a while I think
right? I know him. Tell me tell me about him. He seems like a
stand up guy.
Ya know, he's just a real down to earth guy. Destiny works for
a living.
Did you see this interview by any chance?
No, I did not. I'm I'm all ears. Okay,
so what was great about it, though, yes, and I've clipped it
very long. But I've clipped this down of cut out, I think cut it
down to the essence of what is going on. And now Brett is an
ISP. So he is in essence, no difference from Comcast. Other
than that, he doesn't have the installed base of Comcast
doesn't have the money that Comcast has. But he has the same
issues with bandwidth usage, which has skyrocketed. His
clients, of course, are also all using Netflix that this is the
real problem that has sparked this net neutrality debate which
got broken down into the actual issue. That is the reason why
we're seeing all these lobbies jump up this lobbying, which is
all paid for nonprofits all filtered down and completely,
almost untraceable. And I found the entire conversation
interesting, we will stop a couple times throughout the clip
to discuss. And let me just pick it up here.
If we want there to be still more competitive providers, we
want to be very careful about how we regulate because of the
regulations make it tough to start up a new business, if it
makes it tough to make a profit, then you're going to have fewer
and fewer and only large companies that have other
sources of revenue, like the cable companies which provide
you with TV. Now
this of course fits into our assessment of the situation is
of course Comcast wants to have wants to be treated as utility
because they're the biggest and once they're the biggest and
they have to have some rules which will not be all that
horrible for them, you know, there'll be the incumbent no
one's going to jump in and try and do it with fixed pricing and
all kinds of bullcrap. They will be the the default provider,
which is why they love it
are going to be able to provide a survive. Now, you also talked
about Netflix, and that's an interesting situation for our
ISP in particular. Our bandwidth is is very expensive, people
watching Netflix and believe me, this is the first thing that
they ask us about whenever they call and ask for service. They
say, Can I receive Netflix? Can I stream Netflix in HD?
This, by the way is very sad to hear that the internet, with all
his beauty and everything that has been created over decades,
has come down to people wanting to have Netflix, well, actually,
I make it more pathetic in my new speech, where it comes down
to Netflix did all boils down to this era of revolution, that
computer revolution kept boils down to Netflix and Facebook.
The other that is very depressing, there's
nothing else.
The differences, if you're using Facebook view are not clogging
up the network like you are when you are using.
No one's not worrying the other ones not. But that's beside the
point. Now
let's also just point out the reason people are all are so
into Netflix, is because it's very cost effective for your
Hollywood entertainment versus what the cable company has been
offering. If you want the full gamut and the packages, the way
they set it up, you're paying a minimum of $100 a month,
probably more. And if you can just get internet access. That's
what everybody wants Internet access Netflix, I've got my
Hollywood entertainment. And they can cut the cord on all the
other stuff. So obviously, this is about money. But again, it is
very sad that the internet, the revolution has boiled down to
Netflix and Facebook, thank you for depressing us
very first question, they won't, they will not subscribe to your
ISP, if you can't provide that right away, they want to be able
to do that. And so it's something which you must do as
an ISP. Netflix has the market power here.
If Netflix were to repay attention to what he's saying is
is very important to us
to serve our customers are somehow disadvantage our ISP,
they could do bad things to us, they could basically deprive us
of a lot of our customers not the other way around, we don't
have a choice, we must carry Netflix, we must make sure that
the quality is good. They have a choice they can they can afford
to either serve us well or not. Netflix recently went to
Comcast, a very large ISP, and they agreed to pay them money to
connect directly into their network, instead of going
through a contract Content Distribution Network, like level
three or Akamine go directly into their network to provide
higher quality service to their customers,
which by the way, I think I've always said, I hope that we get
down to multiple internet networks, where there is there
shouldn't be a Hollywood internet, please let there be a
high speed, high bandwidth thing that you connect to. That is
only for that. And here we are now now we have this situation
and and Netflix has brought themselves into the network
where they really do belong. No different than the set top boxes
that the cable companies already provide.
And they actually paid Comcast money to to build this out this
facility. And so that could happen. And so Comcast customers
are getting a special deal from Netflix. Well, I went and I
called up Netflix and I said, Okay, well, I've got an ISP too,
will you do the same thing for me? And they said, Oh, no, we're
not going to do anything like that, you are going to have to
pay 1000s of dollars per month to run a special connection to
us. And then host one of our servers in your facility, you
know, which is something that ISPs normally charge for the
customer is.
And so now you're seeing where this is coming down to a
division of money, that
the customer ultimately pays for everything. Anyway, all of the
all of the costs wind up coming back to the customer. The
question is of what's left, who gets to keep which part this is
very key. And this is what's going on really going on with
Netflix, Netflix. And also to a certain extent Google and Amazon
and all of the other large content providers Pay attention
now. You can play attention being called content providers
have set themselves up in a tug of war with ISPs over who is
going to get what share of the total amount of money that the
customer is shelling out for their internet connection and
for the content. People should pay in proportion to the
resources that they use ultimately, the customer you
know, the the internet customer who is streaming 24 hours a day
should pay more for that than the one who just uses the web
and email. I think we can all agree
we can all agree on that. That's not the issue. This is
interesting. All sudden everybody agrees that metered
bandwidth is
blob that's just unbelievable. To me. That's new, right? This
is new would be we can all agree with Chris he gave it as a
leading question. In fact, if you listen to these other
debates that have been going on for the past two or three weeks,
they can't all agree but now they're all agreeing Okay, fine.
Let's go course yeah,
and and most people would also like their monthly bills to be
predictable and fixed. This is the key people hate caps they
hate overage charges, they hate surprises, they really want to
pay a fixed amount per month for everything, whether it's their
ISP bill or their bill to Netflix or whoever. And so how
can you make both of those things happen at the same time,
one of one good mechanism by which this could be done is
what's called a two sided market. A two sided market is
sort of like a newspaper, where the cost of the newspaper is
borne in part by the subscriber who pays to get it delivered and
part by the advertisers who pay to to get it printed. And also,
when the piece of paper gets thicker, they pay more and more
to cover to, to cover the increased cost of printing it.
Well, you can have the same thing in the internet, people
can pay a fixed fee for their basic ISP connection. And then
if they decide to stream day and night, what they can do is they
can pay a fixed fee to the content provider like Netflix.
And then Netflix can pay a little bit of that back to the
ISP to cover the extra resources that all of this streaming
takes.
This is the this is the basic issue. And I was surprised it
was really nice to hear this. Brett, Brett his name. Yeah,
break glass. surprised to hear him explain this. So clearly,
this is of course flawed. But this this is the reason because
the cable the the the ISPs, broadband providers,
particularly cable companies have mistreated their customers
by giving them this basically a free ride for a long time. And
now their system is breaking down as to how how it has to be
paid. They don't they don't want to move to a billing model that
will piss people off and maybe have them look for alternatives,
which I think they're the alternatives are building. This
is why this is an issue now. And why they'd love to become a
utility and lock it all in. And their solution is very
interesting. And this is where for the first time, I'm going to
say Leo's on the right side of the argument. Their solution is
to go to the Yeah, it's the Netflix today. But of course it
could be twit tomorrow or anybody and say, Ananda, you've
got you've got to charge these people some money and give us a
piece of the money for the for the bandwidth. It'll be used in
our network. It's very interesting that this is that
Brett lays it out like this.
Well as a couple of things. I agree. I think it's, we have to
always remember what happened with the history of cable.
Either Yeah, I'm listening. Oh, I'm sorry. I just got went. So
silencing model is like no DBS comes,
you know that it's our noise gate is so good that certain
Bluetooth headsets, when we go quiet, they disconnect. Because
it's
an aggregate, you got to make a lot of rec,
it's all because it's all digital. It is zero signal.
When the when the cable companies began, they began a
CCTV, so community television
community antenna accessor. So yeah, community
and Tennessee, a TV, something like that. But it was a
community, somebody would set up a big antenna in the fringe area
of some city, like San Francisco that said, it'd be out by
Vacaville, they have these huge antennas, they pick up the San
Francisco stations, and then they did stream them over the
regular like a cable to the normal cable to the houses in
the area. Now you can all get San Francisco TV, maybe some
other channels. And then, of course, these these, these
companies came along like he has, HBO would be the
progenitor, all of them. And they'd come along and they add
some value add and make these guys business better. And you'd
pay the cable company would pay HBO to carry it stuff. And then
they could use it as a leverage as a sales pitch to sell more
cable and it became a big phenomenon around the country
with all these other guys like ESPN and people come in. And
certainly when they when they discovered that they could
insert local advertising, it became even more interesting.
And it took decades.
And it took a long time for this development. Originally it was
it was there was these stations like the local stations who
would beg these guys that you Oh, yeah, get going take us you
know, we it gives us bigger advertising area will pay you
one point they were being paid, paid the cable companies for
carriage. And then at some point they they got big enough that
they could make the cable companies pay them. Yep. So you
can't carry ABC unless you give them money. Yeah. And so this
this thing can go back and forth on who's the dog wagging the
tail, the tail wagging the dog and what was good about that
clip. It showed that Netflix is now the tail wagging the dog.
Yes. And that's that's a huge change. And this can be going
on. We don't know who's wagging what, because even with it I
don't know about you, but my Google on Comcast is not as
snappy as it once was.
I agree. I have had several times that A Google services
would not function. I'd have to reload, essentially. Yeah,
right. Yeah.
And so I'm thinking, well, who's well, whose fault? Is that? Is
that Google throttling? Or is it Comcast throttling? Or is it
good as Google paying them? For some? For some peering? Are they
paying Google of
course, we also know from know any of this, we also know
historically, the way the networks have built the internet
is you would buy, let's say, a T one. And actually, everything is
being oversold. Because the the the way the network theory goes,
you're not gonna have all people using the pipe equally at the
same time, and it kind of evens out. And that's why you have all
these pricing models with bursting to certain capacity.
And, and we're just now down to the basic fact that video has
ruined the the model of have it all works out in the end. Right,
because it is replacing it is replacing the exorbitant fees
that you have to pay for your Hollywood content through the
cable companies set top box.
Right, it's which is a complete ripoff. Yeah, and exactly. And I
mean, you can't watch if you get a big pack is the big the
Whopper from any of these operations, Dish Network to
Comcast, any of them. It's costing you 150 And up to have
Showtime and HBO and all over. You can't watch Showtime while
you're watching HBO. I mean, there's some operations, you can
have two different channels in two different rooms. Yeah, sure,
maybe you could. But practically speaking, a person cannot watch
two things at the same time, they can record one while
watching the other. But it's like you and sometimes you can
go months without watching anything on HBO, there's nothing
to watch, there's no movie are interested in, there's no series
you're following, but you're still paying and you can't do
it. And it's always been more appealing to me. And I've always
thought about why I always wanted to get a C band was
because I could put a C band in the backyard and, and go on some
of these websites where you can buy HBO for an hour, right? And
you know, and then you get you get a build. And that's
that's another part of the problem is, you know, people
like Amazon, for instance, you're dipping in and dipping
out paying, you know, on a per, per content piece basis. But
yeah, it now we are down to it. It's all, as you say it's sad.
But yes, the this great evolution of the Internet has
come down to Netflix and Facebook. And that's all the
people care about. And I'm, quite honestly, I am not sure
how this will come to a head just a little bit more Brett,
because who is a nice guy I really think he has, because he
wants to work out. But man, he really I think he's in the wrong
place on this one.
And then you've met all the criteria that the customer
wants, you have fixed fees, and everything gets paid for and
it's fair.
And that's really his customer, his customer where he wants, he
doesn't he's afraid to give his customer variable pricing, which
by the way the customer is very accustomed to. But we've not
we've been lied to by the ISPs about this. Eat all you want,
but it's not so on mobile, it's not so with water. It's not so
with electricity.
But what you hear what from the network neutrality advocates,
they scream when they hear this? Oh, no, the ISP is asking for
ransom. And the way and the way it's set and the way the money
flows in the end winds up being fair, because the only people
who are paying more than they would pay for their basic
internet connection are the people who are signed up for
Netflix and are going to end are going to be using the extra
bandwidth. So the chairman of the FCC, Tom Wheeler, went ahead
and proposed that when they made some new rules to try to keep
the ISPs from misbehaving. They allow what's called two sided
markets.
This is interesting, because this has never been discussed
that that is part of the deal.
And immediately, there was a tremendous hue and cry that
you're hearing all of your you're hearing all over the
internet. Oh, no, that's creating a fast lane. Let's do
it somehow unfair. Most of this was actually the result of
lobbying by Netflix and Google, who simply didn't want any of
the money to flow back from them to the ISPs? They wanted to keep
it all?
Yeah. Yeah. Which we sent out and said the same thing in that
column I wrote.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
So when you hear when you hear people talking about that,
that's, you know, a lot of it is due to the publicity campaigns
by the content providers that want to keep more of the total
money customers paying
you. It doesn't make any sense at all. Brett, you're not here's
where Leo is. It does a good job, I think. Although I don't
know if he actually realises what he's saying is correct. In
this context, but I was surprised want us to Burt
shouldered a burden that you're unwilling to shoulder you offer
as an internet service better free and open access to the
internet, do you not? Yes, we do. Well, that's your offer.
It's gonna cost you what it costs to you. Well, bandwidth
costs money. Well, we I
know I pay for it. I have to pay you to? Well, yes.
Yeah, that's not gonna work. That's not gonna work. But what
happens if it does if people screen for this net neutrality
crap, which that's that's the messed up part is people don't
actually understand what they're screaming for. I think it could
go horribly wrong and we could wind up in this to market
situation. And it could be exactly horribly
wrong because everything goes horribly wrong when the public
is being manipulated by like he said, the lobbyists, the public
relations campaigns now Google and Netflix who are, are have
manipulated, they've got a great buzz term, you know, net
neutrality is good. And they can just push out as much, you know,
bad information as they can to get everyone all jacked up,
because they're gonna screw you out of your Netflix, somehow.
Yeah. And everyone gets all up in arms about it, they don't
think about it. And the next thing you know, it does go
horribly bad because that's where, as always goes, it's
gonna go to some horrible. But you saw this coming with the
video thing with a IPT. No
one wanted to believe it. No one wanted to believe it. So this,
this cannot go on. And very good point, by the way from our from
our donor. They're saying, Oh, who pays for the gigabytes of
updates of Windows? And of course, Apple also has that one
before? That's a good one. That's a great one who's going
to pay for that? Do I have to pay for that? And if I have five
computers, am I paying for all of that? And? Yeah, well, you
know, it's coming to a head. And that's really the bottom. Yeah.
And
it's coming to a head where I think is going to end up
regulation by the FCC, that government is going to get
involved and everyone's going to be very sorry. And they're going
to look back and go, How did that happen?
And then what do we do?
And then what do you do? You can't do anything at that point?
Because nobody, nobody's ever noticed this. But when something
happens, the government takes over programmes or it starts to
regulate something they don't stop. It's not like this. Oh,
well, let's shut that down. Yeah, when I was working for the
air pollution district, I went back and looked at it, and it
was in, I guess, the 70s. I went back and to the University of
California library and looked up the original paperwork for the
agency that I was working for, which began in 1955. And I read
the whole thing. And this was, of course, happened during the
London Fog air era, when they have a bunch of people died in
London. Remember that? From the horrible fog the killer? Oh,
yes, of course. Yeah, it was in the 50s. So they started this
agency, the whole country was freaked out of our country was
freaked out about not dimensioned, the English and in
there was very specific, it said that this agency would have a 20
year lifespan and be it would be shuttered in 1975. It was very
they would that's how they sold it. They sold it as a kind of
look, no, no, we got to do this with all the bridges they built.
Oh, it's gonna be toll free after we pay for it. Now, this
this agency that I'm talking about, that was supposed to be
shuttered in 1975, I believe that was the date, maybe sooner
is in business now. This is this never go, they never pull it
back. They ever pull the reins, they never shut anything down.
And this the FCC, once it gets ahold of the internet, you can
just kiss through your free net neutrality and everything else
goodbye.
There's one other additional issue, which would solve a lot.
The copyright and licencing is a big problem in all this. Most
ISPs and, and also, the whole advertising model also falls
down. Because really, the way it should work is you have a
network, you're going to use smart caching for a lot of
things a lot. And you should definitely be caching these HD
files, just like you should be caching Microsoft updates. And,
you know, like your caching images, and you know, and you
should have a cache in your home and this whole there's a lot of
different ways that this can be solved. But because of licencing
and DRM, this has become almost impossible for these for these
large media files. There's so much that that has just been
driven by greed and power and non smartness. It's pathetic.
It's really pathetic. And we're, we're actually peer to peer
which works very well on on private network segments like it
works should work very well. Is really genius. But that has been
kind of pushed out because oh, that's only piracy. You know,
ham radio bed, back to back. I'm going back
to Pam and Hillary back to packet. That's where it would
show him and healer him
back to packet We'd be remiss if we didn't talk briefly about the
EU election.
Yeah, I got to give a breakout. I think you may have one run
down here. They kind of go summarises some of it. I get a
bunch of EU clips.
What was your general take on what happened?
Well, there was a low very low turnout. Yeah. Which they
manage, and they can still and then the Euroskeptics, as they
like to be called, or the far right, Neo Nazis and neo Nazi
far right. Or the Euroskeptic, probably pulled in a third of
the very, you know, 125 to 35% of the very low turnout, which
was, like very low, like,
except interestingly, in the Netherlands. Yeah, totally
failed.
But there's, there's actually have a breakdown of that. Okay,
because it's kind of interesting. I shouldn't, but
let's play this elections. Oh, actually, there's yeah, there's
let me play this clip, which is the there was a little poll
done. And this is by Van cat again, and they're talking this
is Doug Herbert, then who is a better reporter than a pundit.
But he is in studio talking about this little poll that was
done showing that these far right, people were all just anti
immigration, because they they first attributed this this swing
to bad economies, but play this and then I have a follow up clip
that will kind of talks about the Netherlands.
That said, You're absolutely right, there was an Ipsos poll
done sort of on the eve of this election, showing that
immigration actually an anti immigration platforms of almost
all of the far right parties, trumped economic concerns.
Alright, so that
and by the way, that is a huge concern. Although very weird,
how in the Netherlands that suddenly whipped around,
like the part two of that clip, and then we can talk about the
Netherlands. Okay.
Immigration is a threat to national identity. This is what
the far right and the far right sympathisers believed, they
believed that the more foreigners you have coming in,
the more you have this dilution of some pure national identity
and a threat to their very way of life. So you had a real
galvanizers of those who voted for the far right was this a
rising intolerance towards the other, so to speak, people in
their midst who don't necessarily look like what they
think people from their country should look like? You know, you
had in Finland, the real Finland party, right, you know, you're
supposed to look Finnish in a certain way. Xenophobia,
obviously, by definition, xenophobia means fear of or
mistrust of outsiders, and then outright anti immigration
stances. I talked about geared builders in the Netherlands.
It's interesting, because he didn't do very well did he
didn't do well. He did not do well, however, and perhaps one
of the reasons he didn't do well is he may have scared off some
people with his comments. He asked, What are we going to do
about the Moroccans? He said that on the eve of the vote, so
but anti immigration, this is going to be a continuing?
Yeah, now he messed that up.
Well, here's Wait, wait, you got it. This is the part that gets
to me. They do this poll. They blame everything on immigration
issues, even though that is an issue. But then when it comes
down to Vera rebuilders, who says he blames something on the
Moroccans and everyone steps now all of a sudden they step back
and say, Oh, that's racism or whatever it is think to
themselves. In other words, this is a contradiction. You can't
say that these guys all one because of immigration issues.
But then when the immigration issue is pushed one extra notch,
they all back off, unless it's not about immigration. I don't
think it is about immigration. I think builders made it obviously
in his case about immigration, and that's why he lost this is
bullshit.
Okay, so there's different cultures in different countries.
And the Netherlands has been hoodwinked for now going on 20
years, with the, with the most recent immigrant wave, which is,
we'll just call it the Moroccans. And this was part of
a big push called the multicultural society. And
you'll recall that PIM for town was very against the Muslim
integration, and he was assassinated on the eve of the
election, which his party won posthumously. And that shut down
everybody and that that was a big Shut up slave moment. And
then we had to for Hall, the filmmaker, who also he made a
film and he was killed for that film, which was anti corrosion.
This will shut up a population John. And when builders came up
and said, What are we going to do with the Moroccans we saw
this and Mickey and I, we saw this, this debate happening and
it was expertly manipulated. It has one extra thing you need to
remember in the Netherlands is the number of Jews who are
persecuted and killed in the Netherlands was astronomical.
And we and Frank, we got a lot of this stuff. There's a huge
history going on here. And the kind of the Centrum parties and
also we still have a religious religious faction which is very
strong. They expertly took this and for the Dutch and this is
cultural specifically to the Dutch, which I can speak to I
can't really speak for other European countries, they took
the easy way out. They did not no one wants to be branded as a
racist. And I agree, builders went too far with that
particular statement, and it was a PR flub. And it was taken and
on the eve completely manipulated and worked against
him. Yeah, because they this is still the issue.
I I think it's I think it is one of the issues, but I don't think
the Holland is is immune to the to immune any more or sold out
any more than the French
it's a cultural difference. It's I don't think that the the
French are known for standing up and getting in the streets and
fighting the Dutch not so.
Well, the British have been pushed around to and again, I
don't see it because this propagandistic thing about me
right. But look, what happened in Europe into a Muslim world is
has been going on for a long time.
But it's it is actually happening. Yeah, it is
happening. And I believe this is back now. But it's one of these
things, John, it's like, people see it, they don't like it, but
they're afraid to because they've been guilted into
feeling racist by saying I don't want it. That's the problem.
Well, I don't
see that they they're not being guilted in the same way in
England.
Well, that's why you Kip was branded racist. And they did
fantastic in the in the in the election,
right. And we also get a lot of notes from certain producers who
woulda thought we were crazy, the two of us for extolling
Faraj as a interesting character who was going to have some
influence it was now that'll be the day, this guy's a clown.
He's not going to ever get a vote
and having lived in the UK for five years, a very short time. I
have never been in a more racist country. That's my personal
opinion. My personal experience you were
in Japan just recently. That's another story.
I wasn't there long enough. I'm five years in Yeah. Five, the UK
an integrated in in business and, and you know, social life
and wow, I mean, there's a lie found a lot of racism going on.
And the culture is racist cultures
in Europe are racist. That's why they are still you know, French
or French and Brits are Brits and Germans are Germans. And
they all have these opinions. The Germans hate the Turks. They
think that, you know, they're the, the outsiders that are
coming in and,
and that and the Netherlands before the Moroccans had the
Turks and before the Turks. It was the Suriname errs, and
before that it was I think the British and the Irish or the
Italians, but when it hit the Muslims, man, and now they're,
they're in government. And, you know, and I hear people, you
know, taxi Eric, don't you?
Yeah, it was gonna be killed as
well. And you know what? He is borderline racist. I would say
in his, no, he's a racist the way he talks about Moroccans,
but I bet he didn't vote for builders. I bet he said on
entrepreneur and you know, I don't want to be I don't want to
be deemed a racist. And you know, some Moroccans are my
clients.
secret vote, isn't it you go to in Holland, you don't have to
come and say I voted for so and so I can only say
it's the culture that in the Netherlands, it really is the
culture and a lot of it has to do with World War Two. And it's
being a collaborator, and it's a lot of crap. Really bad cultural
crap. That scares people and then they were taken advantage
of at the Nemos man, it's like they are complete drones.
Seriously, they are really drones to the media
particularly.
Well, that's a shame.
It's a real shame. So something did change. I don't think it's
really changed enough. No. Significant I think
I have a breakdown here of the way it's gonna look. In the
parliament, EU Parliament was wrapped. I hear Trump play the
wrap up that's got most of the information.
The wrap up Yep, got it. Well, for more
on this, let's bring in our international affairs editor
Douglas Herbert. Doug, it's not the first time Europe spins
through such a big crisis. So how big a blow is this for
Europe,
I'm not going to try to understate you know what has
happened. You know, we've heard the words political earthquake
used here in France. And that's probably not an exaggeration, by
any sense. But let's try to look for a tiny bit of perspective
here. The main thing is that the far REITs have had made giant
inroads, the biggest inroads in their history, especially in
France, especially in Britain, country like Denmark as well,
that said, they are not going to have a controlling faction in
the European Parliament, let's just keep those figures in our
minds, you will still have centrist and conservative right
leaning parties, but not far right parties having about 520
of the 751 seats in the parliament, which is a
controlling majority. So you will still have and presumably
the next President of the European Parliament, will
presumably be someone who was able to steer Europe not in a
far right direction, and be able to sort of the snub of the
appeals of the far right. But that said, it's true. There are
now ticking time bombs, essentially groups of political
factions, which are ticking time bombs, sitting within an
institution, a European institution, which in the Treaty
of Rome, which established Europe 1957 What was their
objective? It was to move Europe gradually towards quote, ever
closer union. And that is now the objective that you basically
have a couple of 100 Euro phobe and outright Europe hater
deputies in the parliament working against you have people
who want to either curb Europe's powers, or and this is the more
extreme position obviously, abolish Europe altogether. You
might say it's a paradox. You have people who don't believe in
Europe who want to abolish the European Union, sitting in the
parliament to work for its dismantlement. But I will say
this, there are several countries for all the countries
that had far right gains, you did have countries where there
were setbacks, the Netherlands being one of them with a party
of good builders, obviously did worse than in 2009, the Finnish
far right party came third place and it's positioned Slovakia
National Party there. We've talked about that, in the past
didn't get a single person into parliament. So it's not like
across the board the far right one, but where it did win it one
very big and France always attracts attention. Whatever
happens here second biggest economy in Europe.
So bottom line is this has been going on since the early 50s.
And there's no stopping it. And if so this is a little setback,
and it will continue this is the new world order, we will
eventually have the Trilateral Commission bringing everything
together, we may not witness it, but that has always been the
mission. The only way is if we collectively all just say no,
I'm opting out of all of this. But that's not gonna happen. I
don't think that's gonna have I'm sad about that. But
I, you know, it's good. The little bumps in the road are
handy. gives us something to talk about.
It's very handy for the show I watch. You've been around just a
little bit longer than I have John. But is this just more of
the same as it always been this way? Are we and are we are we
just we have more access to it that it seems crazier because of
the access to the internet. And
I don't even think it's that so much I do have a lot of access
to stuff with the Internet. And the rest I think just brings us
more celebrity news. I think what it is, is that over time,
as we as the public, all you have to do is watch some of
these great channels like me TV and some of these things that
have old shows on him. And you realise what's happened is that
the media itself has gotten so sophisticated and so good at
keeping people you know, keeping people nervous and and scared
and all the rest of it right well you the way it was done in
the with Walter Cronkite and Huntley and Brinkley is not
always done anymore. It's they do public gets used to one rod
is bull crap. And then they start, you know, actually
relaxing a little bit. No, no, no, no, we got to keep on edge.
Because like you said earlier, it's to keep people addicted to
this material
and engaged is the word engaged. Yeah, right, engaged, right,
they
have to be engaged. So they go to the movies, and they spend
money on crap and stuff they're told to buy and they're just,
they work to make the money to buy some sneakers. And the fun
is, and this done, the way it's done today, is really much
better. So if you're older, you've seen the old fashioned
way. And you seen the new ways it is I think it's just a matter
of execution. I don't think it's anything different. Even my
daughter who has grown up with a certain set of values and
questioning attitude. I spoke to her the other day. And she said
oh man is warm again. We didn't even have a winter I'm worried.
What I'm worried Yeah, because all she's all she's been trained
in the past, you know, she's been out of my direct reach for
a year is the earth is going to kill us. And she actually has a
lot of stuff she doesn't buy into but she actually is
worried.
Well, this is again, you know the thing about the no agenda
show where we have to keep reminding people because it's
very, I would say a one went away from the show and you're
back. I think for me too, if we weren't doing the show, one
month in and you were all of a sudden the meme starts setting
in and you're you get it because it's really good. These guys
that are running the media, and the
and it's only a couple of only a couple of companies really
fight. At most of these cars. These guys are so good. Today
I'm at just hypnotising you and making you think a certain way
and getting you you know, getting you into the position
where you're buying crap, essentially, is to sell stuff,
which is we are mercantile company country. What are you
going to do? It's not just this country, ma'am. Well, the whole
world is mercantilism, which is worse in Asia actually. They had
more money Holy mackerel, we wouldn't know what was going on.
Anyway, so it's a it's just the way it is.
But I always like to think as a way out, and there's there's
John Paul Sartre, I think at a play or book, no way out. I
think it still applies.
I don't like I don't like thinking that way. My unicorns
and rainbows, man, come on, come on, give me some unicorns and
rainbows.
No way out. Just wondering it was an 87 movie with Gene
Hackman
said you just give up and only listen to our show just to stay
up to date in no way out. If you just read some books and watch
them play and know people do that and away and play play
cards or chess or Mahjong or some strategy games.
If you are just if you cut off the media and read books.
Well, here's here's my tip. This has changed my life
dramatically. And people say hey, man you create you will be
tracked by the end of day Vivi, you know that guy talks to me
like that.
Yeah, that guy,
get rid of your phone and buy a just a you know, a tablet or
anything you that's handy just a Wi Fi. And it will change your
life because you go to places and you can't, you literally
cannot communicate unless you know your ABA what your Wi Fi
password. So if you need to know if you're going to be in a place
where you come regularly or we need we need some access. Of
course, there's always some some solution that you can that you
can get. But the casual checking in the car, all of that is gone.
And it is so liberating. That really you don't need to be
you know, you're not a doctor on call a heart surgeon where you
need the beeper.
I remember when I had the first mobile phone one of the first
mobile phones in the Netherlands, which was a
basically a battery with a handset attached to it. Big
giant battery, big giant battery. I'm talking you know,
10 pounds. Now. Yeah, probably close to 10 pounds. And people
would say, what do you need that? Will you a doctor? Or you
have what do you in the fire brigade? What do you need that
for?
Yeah, and you don't where it used to be? No, you don't. But
now apparently you do. By the way, John Paul Sargent wrote no
exit. No Exit translations. It came out as no way out. Okay.
Yeah. And he's no slouch. No. But no, there's
no way out. No exit.
You don't carry your phone everywhere you go. Do you
know rarely, I mean, I have the phone. Now when I carried
actually I ran out of minutes is the first time this has
happened. I
just thought, oh, wait a minute. Net Neutrality. You've just been
capped.
I have $30 A month plan. And I get 100 minutes and unlimited
text and unlimited data. So I usually text people right away
or and I use the data plan for like, you know, surfing a little
bit. But I use the phone mostly for navigation, especially when
I was in Detroit. I used a lot. And but because I was in Detroit
for so long, I used up my 100 minutes.
This is another thing that I've noticed, because I can't use my
iPod Touch for navigation. Because it's not connected,
which
makes no sense to me. But okay, what do you mean makes no sense.
And you shouldn't be able to use it for navigation? No.
Connected? It's a grid. That would be a great navigating
device.
No, because no, because it has no connection to the network to
bring in the maps. Nor does it have a GPS in it. Right?
Useless. You know, what happens? Do you be you'll be surprised. I
plan my trip.
Oh, and you actually look at a real map.
Well, I use Google Maps, and I plan my trip but I either I I
sometimes do it on the device and take a screenshot. So
there's my there's my route. And I pay attention to where I'm
driving. All of a sudden I'm looking at stuff I'm seeing
things I haven't seen before. And I'm more aware I have more
situational awareness of where I am and where I'm going. And I'm
not just a drone, like turn right now.
Actually, you can't now I have to say this. The Google Maps on
the phone have deteriorate. I think they're in a third
generation. Everyone's been worse. This latest one I was we
were trying to get to a bank the Yesterday, and this is telling
you to go left, right, left, right in the same minute. And
then it tells you to turn around when you're not. It's horrible.
Google Maps on the phone it almost getting to the point
where it's useless. But, uh, yeah, and I agree, and people
also I agree that you should probably not get too reliant on
them, you should figure out how to get well.
Besides that, what happens if what happens if the network goes
down? How will we figure out how to go anywhere?
Well, there's that
you know, and or the GPS system gets jammed or turned off, or
any of that could happen or be, which will happen compromise.
But, but just for your sanity, that's all I'm saying, for your
sanity, give it a try. Give it a try, you actually do know how to
get to work, you know, you know the ways right? You You know,
you know, the traffic flows. This is my tip will make you
feel better. Get rid of your phone, get a Wi Fi only device
that you can, when you're at a destination when you need it,
you can use it, you will feel better for it, you will have
more interaction with people and your day off the television. And
you know, as well. And what you'll notice, you'll notice how
other people are enslaved to this. I was seriously weird.
They're always looking at the device. And they're walking down
the street looking at advice on what to get, there's a couple of
good videos or people who just got killed on the road crossing
the street. We had,
we had one of those couples dinner where there was like six
of us, and a certain point. It's like birds flying in formation.
Everyone's like, on their phones and this moment of silence. And
of course, I had no Wi Fi access. And I'm like, I'm just
going to look at porn that I already downloaded or something
because everyone's on their phone here. And no one really
got the joke. No one really understood that everyone just
went to their phone was like a, a non disgust moment of what is
going on stuff. Yeah, what is so damaging?
I think if you go back to your original thesis, whether you had
the big battery phone in Holland, so I said why do you
need that for what are you a doctor? What are you gonna call?
What's the point in which is shouldn't be used as the
argument today, but no,
as Bibi Netanyahu Netanyahu said, You're a slave. When he
said, You're a slave to your device, and he's absolutely
right. So that is something you can do. And you know what, I
gotta I gotta write a post about this or something. I think a lot
of people will find it very hard. I bet you that a bit. It's
an addiction, and they can't get off a pitch. They're freaking
out if they don't have their phone. A lot of people, but 90%
of the people listening to our show, cannot do it.
And Facebook's the same way. There are people that cannot
quit Facebook.
It's interesting, because you actually talk to people. I mean,
on the phone, I never talked, you know, Mickey sometimes calls
me and I say,
well, actually, that's why I have a landline because I got to
sonic.net do which gives you a landline for free. And landlines
are so much better than cell phones. And I still don't
understand why people don't have them. Because you know, it's
there's no latency, you're talking right to somebody. And
yeah, I talked to people on the phone,
and it doesn't go down when the power goes out. Right. You
don't have to say, Oh, my battery's good. Dying. Yeah, I
gotta hang up.
Mickey is the only person who calls me sometimes. And I always
say, oh, man, why do you call me is it we don't have good
communication, because there's a delay, and it feels wrong. It's
really strange. He's the only person that calls me. Nobody
else calls me. And if it just goes to Google voicemail, I
don't give a crap. You know, go ahead, because that's the only
number I really have. For a little bit of texting my
daughter, you know, we do Skype or whatever. You know, we
communicate through email and other things. You don't need the
phone, you don't need the constant connection. Give it a
try. You will feel better for it protect. It's like stopping
smoking, I swear to God, it's almost that liberating. We're
like, Fine, look at these. Man, you're sucking on the man. You
gotta smoke that thing. Oh, my God, you're going outside in the
rain. And I was that guy. And now you'd be like, Oh my God,
you're on your phone. Look what's happening. Your kid is
running the marathon and you're on your phone.
There are people that go outside to go on the phone now to just
like the smokers. They're outside on the phone making
personal calls on company time. And so I
guarantee you, even if you have a high high end, high powered
job, and you need to be in constant contact, which a lot of
people say they need, you can do that. With Wi Fi only you can do
that. I guarantee you you can do it. It may feel uncomfortable.
But once you're there, how long have I been without a phone
John?
A year, maybe probably close to a year now just about a year I
don't think Well, it's a fabulous feeling. Yeah, and then
nobody's tracking either.
Well, there's well of course, there's all kinds of ways you
can track when I log into a Wi Fi but not constantly. And of
course I always have my A portable two metre 70
centimetre, dual band, handy talkie with me for any
emergencies, I could really get a whole community going in
seconds if I needed it. So you should also get
your hand books, watch stores, but you're not going to
bookstores buying Catcher in the Rye. No, I already have it. And
of course, there'll be 10 people in the audience that will get
that joke.
I'm saying five.
I can guarantee 10.
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