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Adam Curry: Released the orb
Adam curry Jhansi Devora June

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1 2023 award winning combination
media assassination episode 1560

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This is no agenda with the sky
is the limit and broadcasting

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live from the heart of the Texas
hill country here in number six

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in the morning everybody. I'm
Adam curry

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John C Dvorak: playing from
Northern Silicon Valley where

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cherries are in season. I'm John
C Dvorak.

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Adam Curry: Oh, that's
interesting. I just read that

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the peaches are already here.
And inseason go eat some peaches

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and you know there's not that
many peaches anymore.

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Unfortunately. They and you
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today for they the powers that
be Gillespie county they decided

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now No, we'll just have we're
gonna do wine no more peaches

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get rid of that feature orchards
wine

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John C Dvorak: you guys get
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his sucks

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Adam Curry: well that's excuse
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comes from California that's why
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John C Dvorak: Everybody have
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the peaches be it was

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Adam Curry: 15 years ago when
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this wasn't wine country 1520
years ago the only this is

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recent. That's that's so I'm
actually on your side but you

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didn't have to get all up in my
grill about our wind sucking.

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You're banned. You're banned
from the region

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John C Dvorak: I'm surprised I'm
not banned from the reason

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you're banned from the radio.
You're banned.

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Adam Curry: So didn't that's

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John C Dvorak: terrible. Their
fruit trees are a great product.

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Adam Curry: Yeah. What do we
have we put comps and other one

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another also less pecans. And
floods. Yeah,

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John C Dvorak: Texas.

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Adam Curry: It no this area's
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have 290 wineries here. Some
some crazy amount like that.

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Huh? I know. I know. A lot of
drunk bridesmaids.

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John C Dvorak: Go bet.

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Adam Curry: Speaking of I did
the melody by the way,

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John C Dvorak: most wine made in
the United States suck. So don't

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take it personally. Okay, that's
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Adam Curry: Megyn Kelly show
yesterday? Well, yes, I would

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had that go. Welcome. new
listeners. It was good.

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John C Dvorak: Both of you.

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Adam Curry: You know, she blew
off two ad breaks. That's how

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that's how engaged she was in
the conversation. And what what

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came out of it? Oh, we just went
through every she started,

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right, man. She has spun up.
We're winning. We're winning

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with target and but like, whoa,
Meghan, calm down, calm down.

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It's you know, we don't all win
that way.

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John C Dvorak: It's no winning.
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Adam Curry: right. It was kind
of interesting. Because right

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off the bat, she started with
that, and I gave her kind of the

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no agenda wrap. She went? Well,
that's interesting. I don't

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agree. And then I think within
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John C Dvorak: what did she
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Adam Curry: Oh, well, what I was
saying was, you know, we only

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really when if we get rid of the
true problem, which is Big

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Pharma, who was doing this to
the kids. And if we get rid of,

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you know, the ESG, the the money
that is forcing these companies

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into this. And then after 10
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agreeing. So that was it was
interesting. You know, there's

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one thing that really bugged me,
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the last time I did the show was
two years ago, there's the they

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use this zoom product, which is
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shows, and I guess, obviously,
for this podcast, and they have

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a whole system. So if you just
use your regular zoom app on

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your computer, and and you call
in and then you're in the green

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room, they can bounce you to
some other room and you talk to

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the producer, and they put you
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so they can they're switching
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which is cool. But the minute
you go alive, you see one box

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it's Megan, you know that
whatever the On Air signal is

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and it's it's a it's a two shot
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is out of sync with the video.
So the whole as a whole time

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you're just you're you're what
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delayed. It's very it's very
difficult I find to concentrate.

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John C Dvorak: So that's like
somebody with an IFBB yelling in

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your ear for hearing yourself
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Adam Curry: in it. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, so that was that

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was I was two hours. So I got a
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Even the value for value that
we're using. Just I think we do

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every every time should we
introduce me? No agenda Show

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podcast. Good. Yeah. And I told
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gonna get a note from our
lawyers. Okay, maybe maybe I

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didn't say but I call I call
About Kara Swisher that was a

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great moment for me. You know,
because she was all about, you

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know, the lesbians and gays that
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yes, you're so right Megan. And
let's call out the biggest

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perpetrator, Kara Swisher and I
am What was your What was your

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reaction to that? She said, You
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used to text but not anymore.
And I said No, certainly not

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after this. She agreed with me.
She said Young lesbians and gays

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have to be against this grooming
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John C Dvorak: But they don't
they still haven't. It hasn't

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dawned on them that their SIS,
and their enemies are trans

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Adam Curry: and they're going
they're going to be on the wrong

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side of history. Yeah, exactly.

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Unknown: Exactly.

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Adam Curry: So I think it was
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responses. So I think that's
good in general. We'll see. So

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welcome to review. Welcome to
the show. And we might as well

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right away congratulate Ashlynn
speed for her win. In the no no

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agenda car.

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John C Dvorak: mean it Yeah, the
SCCA she won a regional I think

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the

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Adam Curry: boss Yes,
championship. Yes, you have

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enough shows enough points to
win the Southern Conference

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Championship. Yeah, it's so cool
to see our logo. I love that.

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You know, it cost sponsors,
millions of dollars to get your

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logo on something like that on
the car. This is not, you know,

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Formula One or Indy, but still.
So she'll be racing MX five or

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USF formula for depending on
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very proud, very proud of her.

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John C Dvorak: Well, she should
get funding because the good

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female racers are rare in the
professional arena, and they're

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a great marketing opportunity.
It's a super marketing

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opportunity. Exactly. Super.

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Adam Curry: It's super, super.
Oh, and so. Oh, man, I said I

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caught myself on Megyn Kelly and
I said 100%. And I caught you

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actually said and I said oh
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did. And she's like, what what
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100 He gave me a copy of that. I
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with that? says what Kara
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hate. Listen. And then she said
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Just why do I hate that again?
It was bad. It was very bad. A

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Tina was in the other room. She
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thought I really screwed
something up to No, it's just I

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said 100%. It happens. Anyway,
we have a deal. The sky's the

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limit. Sky's the limit.
Everybody. If I understand

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correctly, they resolve the debt
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ended. There's no limit until
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thank spend whatever they want.
That's one interpretation. Well,

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that's that's the that's the
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it depends
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came out with their own
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have a counter interpretation.
But the Republicans had one

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interpretation. Various
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interpretation. Various
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interpretation. What is vorak
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interpretation is I don't know.
I haven't read it. I can't do

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you ever? Depends on how
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to be? Oh, okay. Well, do you
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clip this is the house does a
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would say something like this
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second clip of a house floor
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Unknown: rather than making the
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Extremely Republicans wanted to
balance the budget on Americans

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growling hungry stomach.

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Adam Curry: balanced the budget
on the Americans growling

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America hungry stomach.

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John C Dvorak: Growling hungry
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Adam Curry: Well, from what I
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rumored to not be raised by any
specific amount. And that is

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kind of the opposite of what
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do. I think again, logic is they
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I thought they voted on
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John C Dvorak: What is it what
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read it and interprets?
interpretable that's the

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problem. Okay. I did

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Adam Curry: that they have this
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talked about the student debt. I
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AXA to forgive 10,000 in student
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pay grant. But in this bill,
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Bill sought to do away with that
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there's nothing on that in this
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income driven repayment rule,
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student loans knows, it was not,
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this rule is intended to really
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we were going to end it as an
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Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure
what she said there because it

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confused me at the end, but like
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you're all gonna have to pay
back your loans is what it

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sounds like to me. Which is a
campaign promise broken?

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John C Dvorak: Was a sucker's
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Adam Curry: Yeah, everyone,
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John C Dvorak: who believed any
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screw loose. They were they were
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suckered again, you watch? Yep.
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Adam Curry: Now you said on I
don't know if it's the last show

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that the 87,000 IRS agents was
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John C Dvorak: That was one of
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Adam Curry: It will not be
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John C Dvorak: Well, at least
they knocked it back. It did

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Adam Curry: not. You know, you
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these IRS agents are going to
do. If you want accountant or if

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you want people who understand
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taxes. You can't find more than
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the world, maybe even the world.
accounting firms have been

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desperate, desperate for people
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there. So I don't know what
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good union paying jobs, I guess.
Nice this visit odd, odd, odd,

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John C Dvorak: odd, and they
gotta fix our coal butts Balt

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Adam Curry: Oh my god, I got an
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gave me an update on because I
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still runs on cobalt. Here's the
skinny airlines systems are some

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of the earliest systems written
with COBOL. They pioneered

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online systems at a time when
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on mainframes. The airline
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accounting only. Reservations
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ticketing were written in IBM
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exception of fair quote, which
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which is similar to Pascal.
Eastern Airlines license it's

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fair quote system in PL one to
most of the airlines is still

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out there. Code was widely
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the operating system is T P F,
stop me if you've heard of any

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of this transaction processing
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excited. Now to read this. I'm

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getting moist. No faster OS has
ever come along. They can turn

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around transactions faster. Each
mainframe iteration just gets

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faster with so much assembly
language code in the codebase.

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Yeah, I believe that. And then
here's the kicker in 1990,

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airlines start outsourcing code
to India with disastrous

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results. Surprise, surprise, go
figure C++ libraries have been

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introduced into the TPF
operating system by Ibn and

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newer code is being written in C
Plus Plus, it never supported

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COBOL at all. I worked for 15
years in the fields as our our

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producer, most of it for the
airlines.

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John C Dvorak: Doesn't mean you
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Adam Curry: Oh, well, of course.
But I just want to make sure we

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have the right information out
there. Okay, speaking of money,

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and economies Erawan won the
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And everyone's all excited
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fix everything. Right?

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Unknown: Yeah, who's that wants
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Because Bastian says something
interesting, this idea that

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voters or those who voted for
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change. Will that be strong
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trigger any changes within

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what you mean by change? I think
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days and weeks and months will
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economy. You know, this is the
first time just speaking about

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economy. This is the first time
since 2002. Turkish currency

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reserves are on minus just one
side of the how to how bad

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things are. And also the
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according to an official expert
views 120 is 130% inflation and

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there's no money and from
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we'll try to, you know, explore
where we can get money from for

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the Turkey Turkish economy and
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change in terms of what his
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sure what what, what one means
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main bulk of the supporters are,
they would basically expect the

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leader to bring back Turkey to
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the maybe 10 years ago, when the
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$12,000. Now it's $6,000. And
purchase power will be brought

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back but it's a steep uphill
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Adam Curry: Yeah, the screen
those guys, they give that guy

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the hook. It's all France 24.
And our, our local report was

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much better. She wrote it, it
was it was literally like 18

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seconds. Yeah, here we go. ABC
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Unknown: the one regime will
continue. Turkey's longtime

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president has won his run off
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challenger, or the one picked up
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Hungary and Qatar were the first
to congratulate him. President

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Biden tweeted he looks forward
to working with our Diwan as

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NATO allies. Yeah, sure.

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John C Dvorak: Well, I can't see
him helping the country any

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further with his no his
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Adam Curry: Now? What are they
going to do? I really don't see

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any, any anything working for
them. Says doesn't matter,

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though. It's

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John C Dvorak: a good question.
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Adam Curry: So so everything
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to talk about Russia and
Ukraine, things seem to be

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heating up as it appears that I
think we kind of have our new

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offensive. It's just all this
drone warfare now. And not not

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like Good. Here. Let me see.
This is NBC.

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Unknown: In Ukraine officials.
They're accusing Russia of

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unleashing the biggest drone
attack against caves since the

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war began. Just hours before the
city's annual celebration of its

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founding. Molly Hunter has more
on the ground there. Mali a

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dangerous night, but

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also it shows how much the war
has changed. Yeah, Kate, that's

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right. Look in the capital city,
the air defenses are working,

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but it can still be overnight
that airway to alert lasts.

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John C Dvorak: Way too many. You
gotta go back in.

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Adam Curry: That was good.
That's true. That's right.

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Unknown: Molly Hunter has more
on the ground there. Mali a

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dangerous night, but also it
shows how much the war has

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changed.

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in the capital. Oh, man.

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Adam Curry: I use this for
everything. That's right. Look.

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right. looks right. Look, it's a

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new thing. That's right. Look,
everybody.

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right. Look in the capital city

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the air defenses are working but
it can still be dangerous. Now

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overnight, that airway alert
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much longer than normal. But
Ukrainian officials are saying

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that the Air Force almost every
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Adam Curry: listen to that
effect they throw in there in

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the background beautiful head
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Unknown: more than 50 fired at
once at Kyiv and across the

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country. Now when interceptions
happen and we actually hear

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those explosions, fragments or
debris fall to the ground now

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here in cube officials say at
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person was injured and several
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Russia is ramping up those

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aerial attacks to identify and
exhaust air defenses. They also

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say they are targeting military
assets and critical

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infrastructure. But Kate
civilians are still paying the

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John C Dvorak: They're paying
nothing close to the firebombing

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of Dresden. Well, here

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Unknown: we go. Tonight in
Moscow President Putin vowing to

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retaliate for what he said was
the Ukrainian drone attack. The

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attack Putin said on TV was
aimed at scaring Russian

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citizens and hitting residential
buildings in video verified by

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NBC News, a drone seen flying
low over the Capitol. The

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Russian Ministry of Defense says
they shot down eight drones. NBC

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News cannot independently verify
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says two people were injured and
several buildings damaged and

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Moscow is pointing the finger
directly at Keith. But tonight

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an adviser to President Solinsky
tells NBC News. Ukraine is not

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directly involved in the attacks
in Moscow here in the Russian

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areas apartment has been
unrelenting. At least one person

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has been killed several injured
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this morning. The Ukrainian Air
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30 Russian drums.

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from your reporting. It feels
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point with this war

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and you're seeing it on the
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It feels really different here.

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The last few days have been
terrifying and we have seen

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residents of cube by the time As
the 1000s seek shelter in the

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subways. Those are scenes we
haven't seen in months.

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Adam Curry: I don't even think
she's there. I don't believe

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she's there. I don't believe
she's there. She

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John C Dvorak: just this whole
reporting I got I got a clip of

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this. I think it was from NPR,
Ukraine, another 300 million go

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into them.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, they snuck
that in, didn't they?

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Unknown: The US has committed
more than $37.6 billion in

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security assistance to Ukraine
since Russia's invasion in

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February 2020. To

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John C Dvorak: play do play the
Ukraine suppose a grand total

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clip which was the kicker.
Second,

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Adam Curry: oh, I'm sorry. I
didn't mean that. My mistake.

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Unknown: in in a city east of
the annex territory of Crimea, a

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drone crash said a Russian oil
refinery on fire, but it was

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immediately put out inside
Ukraine's border, the Russian

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controlled region Luhansk was
also shelled, resulting in five

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deaths and 19 wounded. This all
occurred just one day after a

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drone struck Moscow for which
Russia blamed Ukraine. Kyiv, on

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the other hand, denies the
accusation, but said that it's

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good to watch. drone attacks
deep inside Russia have

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intensified in recent weeks,
with strikes on Moscow oil

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pipelines, and even the Kremlin
ahead of an expected Ukrainian

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counter offense. Washington on
Wednesday said that the US

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doesn't support Ukraine
attacking within Russia's

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border, but promised to provide
more weapons to Ukraine.

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Ukraine help give them things
that they need to better defend

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themselves as part of all that
effort. We've got an upcoming

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package here, which will be the
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the Department of Defense
inventories using presidential

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drawdown authorities.

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The military package is valued
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artillery, anti armor
capabilities and ammunition. And

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then I'll play your kicker I'm
sorry, the US has committed more

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than $37.6 billion in security
assistance to Ukraine since

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Russia's invasion in February
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Adam Curry: I thought it was
more than that.

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John C Dvorak: I thought
everyone's this number is

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floating around. They just keep
saying they usually round it up

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to 38 billion. Yeah, I thought
it was in the 40s.

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Adam Curry: I thought Yeah, I
thought it was higher too.

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John C Dvorak: So is the number
for some reason that gone to

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this number. Maybe because the
Summary Calculation or you know,

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they keep finding money. They've
re who knows, still a lot of

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money considering that woman
sits on the House floor talking

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about starving babies.

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Adam Curry: In Denmark four
weeks ago, the finance minister

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was asked by journalists, if it
would be a good idea to do a

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complete review of the Treasury,
verifying whether the state of

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affairs or indeed as they say,
so needed to cancel this

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holiday, which is their store
beta doc, the great prayer day,

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which has been cancelled since
it was onsens 1686. But they

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cancelled it. And somehow, let
me say there was no need to

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since the house is in order. And
what that meant was surprise. A

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week ago, they found 16 billion
kronor, $2.3 billion, somewhere

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in their books, which of course
they're going to use to send to

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Ukraine. How about that?
Denmark?

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John C Dvorak: So wait a minute,
so I didn't did this? I did not

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know. So Denmark, canceled one
of their holidays. It goes back

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to the 1600s. You can send money
to Ukraine. Basically. That's

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what

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Adam Curry: that's that's kind
of how it comes across. Yeah, I

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don't know if the 3 billion is
equal to what they spent on that

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holiday. But the calendar had to
be canceled no matter what to

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get their books in order. And
then they had to point in like

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$2.3 billion to send to Ukraine.
That is

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John C Dvorak: a holiday cost
money. Shouldn't it be something

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that saves money? You don't have
to pay the government workers

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that day or I guess they get
paid. But some for the most

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part, things get come to a
standstill don't cost anything.

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Adam Curry: They're Danish man.
I don't know the happiest

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country on earth. I don't know.

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John C Dvorak: I think that's
been bumped. By the way I think

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the Finns are now if you've ever
been to Finland, you have to

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roll your eyes thinking about
that one.

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Adam Curry: Update from our
boots on the ground, the New

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Jersey National Guard deployment
to Ukraine, which we've been

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following. So this is National
Guard this like, wait a minute,

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remember, we've been following
this? Yes, yes. Well, here's the

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update. The timetable kept
getting moved around, but they

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were finally deployed last week.
They hadn't even left the US

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when the plane suffered engine
failure and one engine were

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forced to land. Thankfully, they
were able to make it to an

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airbase in New Hampshire and
ended up stranded there for two

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days while repairs were
undertaken. Last I heard they

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were able to complete the trip
successfully. We're just not

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sure how long the deployment is
going to be. As two weeks up to

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a year is now being thrown
around. They're still being told

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our New Jersey National Guard is
still being told that following

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this rotation, they're headed to
Mexico next not to the border,

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but to fight the cartels. This
is new things.

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John C Dvorak: What are we doing
sending troops to Ukraine,

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Adam Curry: especially National
Guard troops national Hello

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national national.

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John C Dvorak: That's question
number one do that needs

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answering. And question number
two is I thought the Mexicans

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already said no to this idea
that we're sending our troops,

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our national guards to Mexico to
fight crime. Well, this has been

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that that was vetoed by by
Obrador. This is this is

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Adam Curry: boots on the ground,
the stuff that we hear directly

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from the mouths of babes. I
thought this was an interesting

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report from France 24 In
Ukraine, gives us a little bit

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of an idea about the drones that
Russia is using. It's apparently

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Unknown: the third attack in 24
hours because it started

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slightly earlier last night,
than the previous night, the

446
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night from Sunday to Monday,
around 20 showerheads drones,

447
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:59,610
these Iranian made drones is
what the Ukrainians are saying

448
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,030
were used, I could certainly
hear them. That's actually the

449
00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:05,520
first time that I personally
have heard the sound of these

450
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,850
drones, which they're always
described as flying mopeds by

451
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:12,570
the Ukrainians and in a way long
been wondering what exactly that

452
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:15,990
sounds like. Now, I know. Well,
we could mainly here was the

453
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:18,810
sound of the explosions of the
Ukrainian air defense systems

454
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shooting these drones down. They
did shoot most if not all of

455
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,730
them down. We're waiting for
confirmation. But this time,

456
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,680
there was rather more damage
than usual,

457
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:32,040
Adam Curry: flying mopeds. What
kind of warfare is this?

458
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:35,070
John C Dvorak: You know, I think
the V one bomber had more

459
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:39,270
effectiveness in these things
like quad copters. Dynamite

460
00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:40,830
stick, moped

461
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:46,860
Adam Curry: really, and but it's
interesting, because Zelinsky

462
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:49,530
came out and said something,
which I think is highly

463
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:53,760
inflammatory, and kind of makes
sense from his war mongering

464
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,570
perspective.

465
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Unknown: But it's the drones
that the Ukrainians are focusing

466
00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:01,800
on because it's increasingly to
the drones that the Russians

467
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,570
have been focusing. President
Solinsky made an appeal to the

468
00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:09,660
Iranians last week when he said,
What is the benefit to Iran of

469
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:13,170
such cynical killing by Russian
hands, but with your weapons,

470
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:16,440
your showerheads mean, only that
the people of Iran are being

471
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,280
driven deeper into the dark side
of history to which the Iranians

472
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,870
said that Zelensky was putting
on a political show, and that

473
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His claims were empty. He
responded to that by putting

474
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this bill to the governor,
rather, the Ukrainian

475
00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:38,640
Parliament, which was passed,
which imposes sanctions for the

476
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next 50 years on Iran. So that
will involve no transit, for you

477
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:48,780
Iranian goods through Iran, or
through or through Ukraine, or

478
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through its airspace, sanctions
on trade, tech, finance, the ban

479
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on Ukrainian investment on it on
Iran, and the balance transfer

480
00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:03,630
of military and dual purpose
goods.

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Adam Curry: So what he's saying
is, hey, you may not be doing

482
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it, but you're using Iranian or
your your technology, your the

483
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,740
Russians are using your tech,
not your moped technology, this

484
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:21,210
high end stuff. So conversely,
Russia could say, well, you

485
00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:26,100
know, America, since they're
using your stuff, you know what

486
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:26,550
I mean?

487
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:29,460
John C Dvorak: I'm surprised
they haven't done that already.

488
00:28:29,490 --> 00:28:35,190
Yeah, by the way, so you can go
to Iranian drones on Google and

489
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and hit images. And you can see
the variety is actually a

490
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,100
variety of drones. You can't
tell which ones they're actually

491
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:45,750
using. But these all look like
they're derived remember back

492
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:51,060
this is about 10 years ago. It
was during the Iraqi war during

493
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:57,360
something the the Iranians had
captured in American predator

494
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,110
one of these drones, can you
remember this? And they were

495
00:29:01,110 --> 00:29:04,200
showing it off and we're
demanding it back and they had

496
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,890
the thing was intact, and it was
on a landing strip. Yeah, so

497
00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:12,450
they've taken the Iranians This
is a decade or more ago, has

498
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:16,530
stolen one of our drones some
time back, and are now making

499
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,510
kind of crude copies of it. And
that's the drones they're using

500
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:24,360
and they said for the all the
surveillance gear, they just

501
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,090
load them up with some with some
explosives and send them on

502
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their way.

503
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,740
Adam Curry: Yeah, I do. But I
thought that was a big drone

504
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:32,100
though.

505
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:34,230
John C Dvorak: It was it was a
big giant predator. But I think

506
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:37,440
they've downsized it because the
ones that they run is these are

507
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,920
bigger than you think that going
looking at the Google page of

508
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,120
images. A lot of them are fairly
big but they're not the size of

509
00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:47,760
the predator at things huge.
These are the ones that launch

510
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,940
off a little thing often get no
they have a truck there's a

511
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:54,300
picture in the photos. Yeah, I
see is a truck that holds about

512
00:29:54,300 --> 00:30:01,590
five or six of them and then
they shoot them off. The future

513
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:02,070
of war

514
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,880
Adam Curry: I think we should
bring back. Bring back our game

515
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,330
show.

516
00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,190
John C Dvorak: Win, lose your
drone, lose or

517
00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,950
Adam Curry: win, lose or draw
and we'll do it today or will it

518
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:20,130
be something bigger? Who knows
less we got contestants now on

519
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:27,900
our game show win lose or drone.
Drone. God, I feel good doing

520
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:34,860
that. That's about all they got
going for him. I got Sam

521
00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:39,900
Bennett, he's from the center of
for naval analyses on the

522
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:44,700
defense and aerospace podcast.
And he says, you know, all this

523
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,190
stuff we're sending over there,
it's no good, it's not going to

524
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:49,470
work F 16. Is that not useful

525
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,540
Unknown: to the F 16. I don't
think they're going to make a

526
00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:53,760
substantial difference. They're
not going to tip the balance of

527
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,330
power, the war. I mean, come on,
you know, Russian air defenses

528
00:30:57,330 --> 00:31:02,520
are relatively intact, the US
doesn't send F 16 in the air to

529
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,960
air or ground attack missions
without a whole suite of

530
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,840
surveillance, electronic
warfare, you know, command and

531
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,460
control networks to make sure
that they can ingress and egress

532
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,700
and perform their mission
without getting shot down. I

533
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,300
also think there's been a
perennial Western bias to

534
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,060
thinking that oh, this one
little piece of technology is a

535
00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:28,740
silver bullet that will solve
the war. And it's it's not so I

536
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:32,040
get the symbolism with
Epstein's. It's important symbol

537
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,850
for Ukraine and another
threshold that's being crossed

538
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,210
in the form of aid that's being
provided in that country. But

539
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,940
it's going to take a while, you
know, it's going to take a while

540
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,930
and I don't see these these
platforms as having a decisive

541
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:47,100
impact on the war.

542
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:51,330
Adam Curry: There you go.
According today in one of three

543
00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:54,540
the reason why we send National
Guard troops is you don't need

544
00:31:54,750 --> 00:32:00,330
congressional approval for that.
That makes sense. I mean, not

545
00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:03,060
really, but I guess legally, it
makes sense somehow.

546
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:09,930
John C Dvorak: That's good,
screwed ever setting New Jersey

547
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,140
National Guard troops? Yeah.
Yeah.

548
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,580
Adam Curry: CNN report as things
are starting to ratchet up.

549
00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:19,890
Unknown: We're also hearing
interestingly, from Belarusian

550
00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:24,240
President Lukashenko, who is now
offering nuclear weapons, to any

551
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,730
nation's who wants to join who
wants to support Russia,

552
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,480
Belarus, it's not clear to me
that he actually has any nuclear

553
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,650
weapons to offer here, Sam?

554
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:37,050
No, he doesn't. But what he does
have and has done is allow or

555
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:41,880
offer the opportunity for Russia
to put what they're calling

556
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,910
tactical nuclear weapons, in
other words, short range,

557
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:49,410
relatively low load nuclear
weapons there as part of the

558
00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:53,220
ongoing effort to kind of waived
the threat of nuclear

559
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:57,420
catastrophe, not just Ukraine,
but the international community

560
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:01,710
but this is consistent with
Lukashenko is courting, shall we

561
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:04,650
call it of the Kremlin? That
CNN?

562
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:05,370
Adam Curry: Yeah, go ahead.

563
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,440
John C Dvorak: I think he meant
low yield.

564
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:09,390
Adam Curry: I think low load is
funnier though.

565
00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:10,590
Unknown: low load,

566
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:15,900
Adam Curry: low, low, low, low
load, ma'am. CNN is all in on

567
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:20,220
the nuke tip though. This report
from Erin Burnett. Burnett out

568
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:22,650
front. This was a real head
scratcher.

569
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,590
Unknown: Vladimir Putin's top
propagandist is now saying I'd

570
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:28,470
Adam Curry: love that. So is
there a title in the Kremlin?

571
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:33,450
Hello, you go are you on now?
Top propagandist. It may be just

572
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,000
That's not news reporting. Erin
Burnett,

573
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:38,670
Unknown: Vladimir Putin ZZ Top
propagandist is now saying that

574
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:42,240
nuclear weapons should be used
to destroy Elon Musk's Starlink

575
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,240
satellites, which is the crucial
technology that Ukraine

576
00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:51,420
John C Dvorak: knows that we're
gonna destroy a bomb and

577
00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:52,050
hopefully they

578
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,900
Adam Curry: know it's a two
parter. This is real. So

579
00:33:54,900 --> 00:34:00,270
apparently, I'll give you the
short version here. The Ukraine

580
00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:05,130
is using Elon Musk's Starlink
technology I think it's called

581
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:07,980
defense link their military
version of it because we know

582
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:13,680
YouVersion Elon is a defense
contractor. And they use that to

583
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,630
target to target Russian toward
you know, to get the drones on

584
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:22,680
target. I don't know why you'd
use Starlink for that doesn't

585
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,410
seem like completely appropriate
but maybe the defense Link has

586
00:34:25,410 --> 00:34:27,210
some better stuff but listen how
they do it leave

587
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:29,460
Unknown: to to use to launch
drone strikes.

588
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Is this the photo? I think it's
time to turn up the heat. We

589
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,340
understand that all drones and
everything else works for

590
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:42,840
Americans only while Starlink
exists. If we carefully launch

591
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:45,390
our nukes into space, there will
be no

592
00:34:46,469 --> 00:34:48,929
John C Dvorak: basis the top
propagandists who are listening

593
00:34:48,929 --> 00:34:52,589
to this is the guy Igor Igor A.

594
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,390
Adam Curry: We carefully launch
our nukes into Starling

595
00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:59,490
satellites Hey man, my internet

596
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,690
Unknown: launch On strikes

597
00:35:03,689 --> 00:35:07,049
I think it's time to turn up the
heat. We understand that all

598
00:35:07,049 --> 00:35:10,889
drones and everything else works
for Americans only while

599
00:35:10,889 --> 00:35:15,119
Starlink exists. So if we
carefully launch our nukes into

600
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,209
space, then there will be no
Starlink left. Yeah.

601
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:22,890
Ukraine's not claiming
responsibility for these attacks

602
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:27,450
inside Russia. But if Kyiv gets
blamed, that's just fine.

603
00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:31,440
There's more to come. I've and
I've said that it's a one on one

604
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,280
over trade there.

605
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,970
The number of incidents is
constantly increasing, not only

606
00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:39,420
in the border areas, but also in
the depths of Russia. It's

607
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:41,970
already happening when you
receive the scale of the

608
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:42,810
exponential.

609
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:47,550
Here an oil refinery in Russia's
far south is set a flame while

610
00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:51,540
along Ukraine's northern border
with its invader. civilian areas

611
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:55,260
are hit by shelling apartments
riddled with shrapnel,

612
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:59,460
commonplace in Ukraine, a new
experience for Russians.

613
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,580
Adam Curry: This is a weird
report. They went from blowing

614
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:06,420
up Starling to what's happening
in Russia and then it continues

615
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:06,810
here.

616
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:11,040
Unknown: Ukraine's new strategy
is taking shape. inside Russia,

617
00:36:11,070 --> 00:36:13,230
bomb them, bomb them.

618
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:18,990
Drone and artillery attacks have
hit Russian targets in an arc

619
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:22,800
along its Ukrainian border
provinces of briansk. Kursk

620
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,690
Belgorod, Berganza and Kresna
door and Moscow has not been

621
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:31,560
spared either on the deck of a
Royal Navy warship. And as the

622
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,580
Ukrainian ally the United
Kingdom gave a green light to

623
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:38,850
attack Russia. legitimate
military targets beyond its own

624
00:36:38,850 --> 00:36:45,360
border are part of Ukraine's
self defense. And we should

625
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,080
recognize we should recognize
that in response former Russian

626
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,190
way in close

627
00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:54,510
John C Dvorak: that that was
interpreted as giving the go

628
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:55,920
ahead to attack Russia.

629
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:59,730
Adam Curry: It sounded like it
played again, military targets

630
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:00,870
go back a little bit further

631
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:04,620
Unknown: cranium ally the United
Kingdom geikie The green light

632
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:05,550
to attack Russia.

633
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:08,550
Adam Curry: So since when does
the UK get to give anybody a

634
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:13,350
green light? Are they are they
the boss of every everything now

635
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:16,560
it's our stuff. It's our New
Jersey Boys. Their legitimate

636
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,820
military targets beyond its own
border are part of Ukraine's

637
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,670
self defense. And we should
recognize we should recognize

638
00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:26,910
that

639
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:29,460
Unknown: in response former
Russian president and close

640
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,960
Putin ally, Dmitry Medvedev
claimed on Twitter that as the

641
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,280
UK is in an undeclared war
against Russia, any British

642
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,330
official could be considered as
a legitimate military target.

643
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,270
John C Dvorak: Yeah, baby, let's
get some drones over to Brett's

644
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:53,070
dead London and make him remind
him of the V one rocket. Now,

645
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:54,600
Busby escalation,

646
00:37:54,900 --> 00:38:01,200
Unknown: even Vladimir Putin
might resist. Aaron, you

647
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,170
mentioned the use of nuclear
weapons against a Starlink

648
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:07,410
satellites there that would be I
think, technically impossible. I

649
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:10,650
have to say also, locally,
they're not you Oh, like

650
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,770
John C Dvorak: why would you?
Okay, so the whole report starts

651
00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:19,650
off based on a new even
introduced as such, the idea of

652
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:22,710
using nukes against Starlink.
And at the very end of the

653
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:25,320
report, it says is technically
impossible, then why are you

654
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,400
reporting it?

655
00:38:26,730 --> 00:38:29,100
Adam Curry: Well, it sounds
cool. By the way, it's Star

656
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:33,960
Shield is the military version,
Star Shield, shield Star Shield.

657
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:38,160
And because this is all this is
propaganda, Erin Burnett is the

658
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,620
top propagandist for the United
States.

659
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,850
Unknown: Tell Aaron, you
mentioned the use of nuclear

660
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:48,000
weapons against a starling
satellites there that would be I

661
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,390
think, technically impossible. I
have to say also, locally,

662
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:54,960
they're not used by drone,
certainly not drones that could

663
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,300
strike as deep into Russia, as
Moscow. But this I think, should

664
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:04,260
be seen what we're seeing in
Russia as a completely new phase

665
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:09,480
of the Ukrainian strategy. This
could be effectively what we've

666
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,780
all been talking about, which is
the beginning of their counter

667
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:15,090
offensive. They're launching it
and they're launching it in

668
00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:15,570
Russia.

669
00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:19,050
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. This is it
then. So our counter offensive

670
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:23,430
includes mythical Star Shield.
And this is what we this is what

671
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:29,790
Victoria Nuland came up with
some hokey drones. Man,

672
00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:33,480
John C Dvorak: SpaceX, loose,
loose making the drones that are

673
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:38,220
dead or hit in Moscow. We know
that Iranians are making all

674
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:42,450
these drones. I think I knew
this. I read about who's making

675
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:44,820
the other drones. Do they have a
stick of dynamite in them or

676
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:46,650
what how much power do they
have?

677
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:52,470
Adam Curry: I don't know. SpaceX
designs launches and builds and

678
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:55,200
launches customized military
satellites based on variant of

679
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,100
the star six Starling satellite
bus with the largest publicly

680
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:03,060
known customer base In the space
of the Space Development Agency

681
00:40:04,290 --> 00:40:11,430
hmm I wonder what it does this
thing No No wonder we're getting

682
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:16,590
less bandwidth. He's using it
for the drones that's an outrage

683
00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:25,140
so if this is the long rumored
offensive, which initially was

684
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:29,640
the spring offensive now it's
just the offensive Yeah.

685
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:33,210
John C Dvorak: They dropped it
Oh, yeah, let's don't get

686
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:35,220
carried away the offensive now

687
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:37,440
Adam Curry: we still have to do
something with the Wagner group.

688
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,110
They're very irritating. They're
they're still hanging out there.

689
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:46,170
So let's Richard angle are
favored over NBC, spook central

690
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,140
Richard angle. He's going to
tell us what to do with the

691
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:50,070
Wagner group.

692
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:53,250
Unknown: The Central African
Republic is a failed state in

693
00:40:53,250 --> 00:40:56,580
the capital, Bungie, they are
victims of Africa's resource

694
00:40:56,580 --> 00:41:01,050
curse. The people are poor,
despite living on land with

695
00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:05,700
vast, untapped wealth. Here,
it's golden diamonds. But

696
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,660
instead of lifting people out of
poverty, the riches flow into

697
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:12,900
the hands of Russian mercenaries
from the Wagner group.

698
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:14,430
Adam Curry: So now all of a
sudden, they're Russian

699
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:18,630
mercenaries. And sometimes
they're a paid military group.

700
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:21,450
It's like they're all over the
map with this now it's Russian

701
00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:23,070
mercenaries. The Wagner group,

702
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,140
Unknown: Russia's private army,

703
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:29,910
Adam Curry: right? Oh, private
army. Spies private army. What

704
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:30,630
do I tuck into the

705
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:33,450
Unknown: hands of Russian
mercenaries from the Wagner

706
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:38,430
group. Russia's private army
great edit in Ukraine. Wagner

707
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:43,200
fights for the Kremlin. It makes
its money. According to two

708
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,520
Western diplomats in Bungie,
Wagner was extracting a half of

709
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,350
billion dollars a year in gold,
rare timber, and blood diamonds.

710
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:56,160
The Independent Research Group
century provided NBC News with

711
00:41:56,190 --> 00:41:59,160
more than a dozen witness
accounts of violence by Wagner

712
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,730
forces near the indocin a gold
mine and other mine sites.

713
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:04,320
Adam Curry: I've never heard
what is this group? Have you

714
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,960
ever heard of this group, some
group that gave them the info

715
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,260
here.

716
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:10,380
Unknown: The Independent
Research Group century, century

717
00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:13,890
century century century number
provided NBC News with more than

718
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:17,490
a dozen witness accounts of
violence by Wagner forces near

719
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:22,260
the indocin a goldmine, and
other mind sites. Wagner was

720
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:25,860
invited into the Central African
Republic by the government to

721
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:30,120
help crush a rebellion. And it
worked. The Capitol is now far

722
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,800
more secure. There's a statue
honoring Wagner on bunkies main

723
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,430
boulevard.

724
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:37,890
Adam Curry: I can't find this

725
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,980
John C Dvorak: hot dog guy's got
his statue in the Capitol.

726
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:48,000
Adam Curry: shouted Why don't
you look up that statute we

727
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,530
played the second part of this
report.

728
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:53,970
Unknown: The group even provides
the personal security for the

729
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:57,840
President. Oh, you've said quite
famously that if your house is

730
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,760
on fire, you don't care what
color the water is. So I

731
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,600
understand why you reached out
you you accepted Russian help.

732
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:10,890
Are you happy with it would be a
visit to see you journalists are

733
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:13,680
here that you should ask this
question to the Central African

734
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,980
people. They will answer you,
but I am here to make sure that

735
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:21,090
this population is protected.
The government depends on Wagner

736
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,940
for its survival. Faulkner pays
itself in gold. The people are

737
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:31,260
left starving. We reached out to
promotion he responded with a

738
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:34,920
voice note calling our questions
provocative and saying in part

739
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,730
quote, you've received enough
information. If by asking these

740
00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:42,600
questions you intended just to
spit at me, then I suggest you

741
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,620
come closer. And after that, try
to figure out if it's your

742
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:49,110
throat and my hands or someone
else's

743
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,570
Adam Curry: fighting words.
Okay, so this is this was

744
00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:59,340
erected February 23 2022. I have
a picture a woman lays flowers

745
00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,460
at the base of a monument to
Central African soldiers and

746
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:06,750
Russian armed men in Bangui. So
this the hot dog guy is not a

747
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:11,220
part of this. They it's Russian,
Russian armed men. Yeah,

748
00:44:11,279 --> 00:44:12,269
John C Dvorak: I'm looking at it
now.

749
00:44:12,299 --> 00:44:17,279
Adam Curry: It says no hot dog
guy here. This is bull crap. And

750
00:44:17,309 --> 00:44:18,209
why was

751
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:22,050
John C Dvorak: Richard Engel
report for a month? And you

752
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:23,190
think it's bull crap.

753
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,270
Adam Curry: But why why why this
is? I mean, I don't understand

754
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:28,620
why they're joke is a

755
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:32,820
John C Dvorak: message. Okay.
Wonderful would be messaging on

756
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:35,700
behalf of the Central
Intelligence Agency. Yes, of

757
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:42,510
course. So what are they trying
to tell us? That somebody's

758
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,150
stealing the gold from Central
Africa or

759
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:47,610
Adam Curry: maybe he's telling
us we need to move down to

760
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:51,060
Central Africa because they're
killing people down there. Much

761
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:53,400
more important than a couple of
drones and cube.

762
00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:57,540
John C Dvorak: How about that?
Baby?

763
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,300
Adam Curry: That would be a good
message. We know all the Guns

764
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:04,620
are going there. Sky News has
their own version of a report

765
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:09,270
here. This guy's straight up
Monty Python Professor Michael

766
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:10,110
Clark tell us

767
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:12,600
Unknown: obviously concerns
about the separation nuclear

768
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,210
power prom. But in the meantime,
there's plenty of other things

769
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:18,690
going on out there, including an
apparent drone attack inside

770
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:19,350
Russia again.

771
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:22,320
Yes, Anna the tempo of events is
increasing all the time. So

772
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,900
overnight, it looks as if there
was a drone attack or Krasnodar

773
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,600
the Russians are saying anything
was a drone, I'm pretty sure it

774
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,660
probably was. It hasn't been
illuminated. The biggest fire

775
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:33,390
you've ever seen. It's a
refinery for a lot of them. But

776
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:36,030
it's a huge set of refineries.
But nevertheless, it makes the

777
00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:39,270
point. And interestingly,
Krasnodar is not so far from

778
00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:44,700
Novorossiysk. And that is where
the all the oil exports go from

779
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,880
Russia into the for the Black
Sea, and for ports in the

780
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,010
Mediterranean and further
afield. So it's really important

781
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:53,850
port, and also never resist, the
Russians have now got most of

782
00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:57,000
the Black Sea Fleet Base there,
because it was too dangerous to

783
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,060
leave them or Sebastopol, which
is on that sort of southwestern

784
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:03,390
tip of Crimea. So they've moved
most of the fleet to Nova risk.

785
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:05,640
So this is becoming a very
important port in the heart of

786
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,970
Russia, and even to hit, you
know, few miles away, the

787
00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:14,400
refineries is picking away at
Russia's infrastructure. And

788
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,590
it's making the point of the
Russians at the very least, even

789
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:19,170
though this is, as I say, it's
not a major fight. It was put

790
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:23,190
out pretty quickly, but it makes
the Russians back to defend

791
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:24,840
these facilities for the future.

792
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,750
Adam Curry: I think these guys
are doing it all wrong. Firstly,

793
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:28,410
sure. Wait, hold

794
00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:30,720
John C Dvorak: on. Firstly,
starts off I distinctly because

795
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,840
I knew was a small fire. Yeah,
he says it's the biggest fire

796
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,890
you've ever seen.

797
00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:40,770
Adam Curry: But then, you know,
you know, this is it's all

798
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,800
John C Dvorak: wag the dog was
totally wagging the dog. At this

799
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,140
point. We're getting no
information, no real

800
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:49,290
information. We're just getting
various propagandistic reports

801
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:53,130
that are fed. And then this
this, this switcheroo here,

802
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:55,500
which is going to have to call
it about the Central African

803
00:46:55,500 --> 00:47:00,840
Republic. Yeah. And so to get
this and angled down there,

804
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:05,550
that's a message because some
guys are taking some gold out of

805
00:47:05,550 --> 00:47:07,740
a mine because it needs to get
paid.

806
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:11,190
Adam Curry: I mean, half a
billion dollars, we send that to

807
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:16,050
Ukraine overnight, with FedEx
for half a billion dollars.

808
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,040
Whoo. That's not a big deal. But
I think the message was, you

809
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,240
know, the dying hungry children
of Central Africa. These guys

810
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,140
are horrible hot dog, man. And I
don't understand because the

811
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:32,130
solution is so clear. It's if
you want to get rid of Russia,

812
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,820
it's so easy. Just give him Chad
GPT.

813
00:47:35,850 --> 00:47:37,740
Unknown: Tonight, a stark
warning that artificial

814
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:41,550
intelligence could lead to the
extinction of humanity. It comes

815
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:45,360
to dozens of industry leaders,
including the CEO of Chad GPT

816
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,290
creator open AI. The experts
sign the statement, which says

817
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:52,500
mitigating the risk of
extinction from Ai should be a

818
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,580
global priority alongside other
societal scale risks, such as

819
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:58,950
pandemics and nuclear war. Why

820
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,380
Adam Curry: are we even worried
about Ukraine? We're all going

821
00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:02,250
to die.

822
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:06,810
John C Dvorak: That was Nora
Yes, that was Nora and she's

823
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:11,670
saying that she's reporting this
bull crap story about how all

824
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:15,480
humanity all of it baby,
including the you know

825
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,300
aborigines in Australia are all
gonna die. Yes, the Ukrainians

826
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:26,160
everybody i How is how is the AI
going to kill anyone to start

827
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,280
with unless they build Robocop
but they have to build and then

828
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,640
the Robocop would have to build
more Robo cops until they're all

829
00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:35,190
out of control, and they would
be killing people for what?

830
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:36,900
What's the motivation?

831
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Adam Curry: Well, maybe France
24 can help us out because

832
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,970
they're all over this story

833
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:45,630
Unknown: brief as it is stark.
This one sentence statement

834
00:48:45,630 --> 00:48:49,500
signed by more than 350 tech
experts makes a plea to

835
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,820
policymakers. It says mitigating
the risk of extinction from Ai

836
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:57,810
should be a global priority
alongside other societal scale

837
00:48:57,810 --> 00:49:02,700
risks, such as pandemics and
nuclear war. Same writer, the

838
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:06,630
Center for AI safety he points
to several disaster scenarios,

839
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,800
like drug discovery tools being
used to create chemical weapons,

840
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,240
or enfeeblement, where humanity
loses the ability to self govern

841
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:17,910
and becomes completely dependent
on machine

842
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:18,510
John C Dvorak: Hold on.

843
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:19,920
Adam Curry: This is how it's
gonna happen.

844
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:23,760
John C Dvorak: What date what
she just described is the plot

845
00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:26,580
of wall e the movie

846
00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:29,580
Adam Curry: wall. This is
another great movie I haven't

847
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:33,540
seen while you've never seen no,
no, no, I've seen wallet. You

848
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:37,560
mean Wally. Wally, Wally? Yeah,
well, we think we've got a

849
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,380
jingle about Wally, Wally
jingle.

850
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,430
John C Dvorak: But that movies
theme was in feet enfeeblement.

851
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:48,570
So they brought in in feeble
mint, which is the Wally plot,

852
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,140
which is that you have all these
robots doing all this work. So

853
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:55,530
you just sit around getting fat
sitting at the pool, drinking

854
00:49:55,530 --> 00:50:00,870
pina coladas Christians are made
by the robots. So that Is NASA

855
00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:04,320
there bringing that so the
threat is the first time I've

856
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,710
heard this, by the way, just cuz
I didn't list that French 24

857
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:11,310
report, but in feeble Mint is
how they're going to kill us.

858
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:13,380
Adam Curry: Let's listen again
to that enfeeblement part,

859
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:16,710
Unknown: the Center for AI
safety points to several

860
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:20,520
disaster scenarios, like drug
discovery tools being used to

861
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,570
create chemical weapons, or
enfeeblement, where humanity

862
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:28,620
loses the ability to self govern
and becomes completely dependent

863
00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:29,460
on machines.

864
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:32,040
Adam Curry: We need to we need
to get the actual report word

865
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,330
states and feeble meant what was
the movie wasn't called

866
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:38,640
John C Dvorak: a script has it?

867
00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:47,850
Adam Curry: Exactly. Oh, man.
Although I there's more to this

868
00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:50,730
report, but just want to
mention, had a thought yesterday

869
00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:55,050
that there is one area that I
think we will see the brilliant

870
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,720
AI come in, and that is going to
be medical care. They already

871
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,250
have the doctors just as a hump
of human flesh in between the

872
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:08,340
pharmaceutical company where you
come in to the doctor or your

873
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:13,020
provider, and you say, Hey, I
don't feel good. And the doctor

874
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:16,320
goes in well, let me loose down
the list of drugs. Yeah. And he

875
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,980
said, Oh, this one you need this
one and he hands it out. That's

876
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:25,890
it. So why not just cut out the
middleman cut out the doctor and

877
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,520
and

878
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:30,750
John C Dvorak: pharma pharma
robots pharma bots, bots.

879
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,780
Unknown: Among the statements
bankers are executives from

880
00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:39,090
Google and Microsoft, the CEO of
chat GPT is open AI. And

881
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,020
Geoffrey Hinton referred to as
one of the godfathers of AI.

882
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:43,620
That guy

883
00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:48,660
said the existential threat. I
think maybe the US and China and

884
00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:51,600
Europe and Japan can all
cooperate on trying to avoid

885
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,500
that existential threat. But the
question is, how should they do

886
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,740
that? I think stopping
development isn't feasible.

887
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:02,790
Other industry figures however,
say the fears around human

888
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:06,240
extinction are overblown, and
many believe the real problem

889
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,870
with AI is its reproduction of
bias learn from racist,

890
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:13,620
patriarchal or exclusionary
systems. The statement follows a

891
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:17,520
much longer letter signed by
more than 1000 experts including

892
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,050
Tesla CEO Elon Musk, it called
for a pause in development of

893
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:26,520
next gen AI warning non human
minds might eventually outsmart

894
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:27,780
and replace us.

895
00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:32,760
Adam Curry: This is such a psyop
on people. It really it really

896
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:38,130
is ridiculous. And it's working
by the way. It's working. I

897
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:42,690
think I have a I think I have
the clip here. Here we go. I

898
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:45,810
believe that AI could eat us
There you go. That's Glenn Beck.

899
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:49,950
John C Dvorak: You owe me it'll

900
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:53,850
Adam Curry: surprise you as an
isolator. But I got to do it

901
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:58,200
now. But so so just so
disingenuous open AI Oh, we

902
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,810
signed this letter. Meanwhile,
they're releasing chat GP

903
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,660
John C Dvorak: analytic Elissa,
these idiots. Okay, so it's

904
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:07,170
Adam Curry: open AI. So Sam
Altman, and he is their company.

905
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:11,340
They we used to be a nonprofit
now their company is releasing

906
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:17,730
Chad GPT app, Microsoft who also
co signatory. They are adding

907
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:22,170
mandatory system wide artificial
intelligence, the windows

908
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,150
Copilot to Windows 11.

909
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:25,950
John C Dvorak: So it's all a
Clippy

910
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:30,270
Adam Curry: Well, I think this
is worse than that, because it

911
00:53:30,270 --> 00:53:36,960
will be it will be basically
indexing all your stuff,

912
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,110
everything you have on your
computer, sending it back to

913
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:45,000
wherever and then helping you do
stuff.

914
00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:48,390
John C Dvorak: This is spyware,
the x now their index system

915
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:49,200
stinks.

916
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:51,570
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
what they're saying and what

917
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:56,880
they're doing. Elon Musk co
signatory. His brain implant

918
00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:59,910
firm has gotten approval for
human tests, man,

919
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,050
John C Dvorak: that's okay. But

920
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:04,620
Adam Curry: But ivermectin
wasn't okay, but it's okay for

921
00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:08,490
Elon to jam a probe in your head
that's fine. That's just fine.

922
00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:15,240
Yeah it was interesting to see
that the I think I still think

923
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,350
this is where it's going the
open AI CEO Sam Altman he also

924
00:54:19,350 --> 00:54:24,900
has this world coin some shit
coin he's he's put together and

925
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:27,630
he's you know as a wallet and
whatever

926
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,760
John C Dvorak: that the other
Sam Altman is that guy

927
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,420
Adam Curry: was this guy thinks
the same guy. It's the same

928
00:54:33,690 --> 00:54:36,900
John C Dvorak: open AI guys not
the same guy as the freaky guy

929
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,960
that was selling the head FTX

930
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:42,900
Adam Curry: No, that's that's
bank win free. This is World

931
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:43,380
coin.

932
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,650
John C Dvorak: why don't my bank
win free is Sam Altman.

933
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:50,280
Adam Curry: I don't know. They
are kind of the same guy, I

934
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:50,880
guess.

935
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:55,200
John C Dvorak: Well once got
clean shaven. That's a boss.

936
00:54:55,890 --> 00:55:02,370
Adam Curry: So he's now released
the orb. for universal ID

937
00:55:02,850 --> 00:55:08,970
release the orb Exactly. The orb
for universal ID clear is

938
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:13,350
getting in the game with ID here
for clear the airport guys

939
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:17,220
John C Dvorak: know those guys
struggle to do anything well,

940
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:21,330
Adam Curry: you know what your,
your fake girly LinkedIn profile

941
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:24,900
is going to get in trouble
pretty soon. Because thank you

942
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:29,250
because now you can use clear
identification with LinkedIn

943
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:31,830
soon it'll just be mandatory. I
can guarantee you that's going

944
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:32,130
to have

945
00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:34,560
John C Dvorak: you this has been
your guarantee for years. It's

946
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,310
going to happen.

947
00:55:35,759 --> 00:55:39,389
Adam Curry: It's going to
happen. And this is my favorite

948
00:55:39,389 --> 00:55:46,139
AI story. Not we'd had the story
just on the last episode. The

949
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:51,419
move they fired, the National
Eating Disorder organization

950
00:55:51,419 --> 00:55:55,589
fired everybody because they
wanted to unionize and said oh,

951
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:58,259
we're not going to need you
anymore. We're going to use a

952
00:55:58,259 --> 00:56:04,379
chat bot. Remember this story?
I'll remind you nearly 70

953
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:07,440
Unknown: people last year
reached out to a helpline

954
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:11,010
operated by the National Eating
Disorders Association. Those

955
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:13,860
numbers had more than doubled
during the COVID emergency and

956
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:17,490
they still haven't returned to
pre pandemic levels. But now the

957
00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:20,640
association is shutting down
that helpline in favor of a

958
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,970
chatbot Kate wells with Michigan
Radio has more.

959
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,180
The helpline is run by just six
paid staffers a couple of

960
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:31,830
supervisors and they train and
oversee up to 200 volunteers at

961
00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:36,150
any given time. The staff which
were overwhelmed under supported

962
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:39,570
burned out there was a ton of
turnover. So the helpline staff

963
00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,180
voted to unionize. So cliche but

964
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:46,620
like we did not have our oxygen
masks on and we were putting on

965
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:49,710
everyone else's oxygen mask.
Like

966
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,150
becoming unsustainable. Managers
at the National Eating Disorders

967
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:58,410
Association or NIDA also thought
that this situation was becoming

968
00:56:58,410 --> 00:57:01,800
unsustainable. In March, the
helpline staff formally notified

969
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,610
Anita about their unionization.
Four days later, they were in

970
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:09,180
what seems like a pretty routine
virtual staff meeting. NPR

971
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:13,350
obtained audio of the call and
abruptly needed as board chair

972
00:57:13,350 --> 00:57:17,550
Jeff kradic. fired all the
helpline staff. After more than

973
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:22,140
20 years the helpline was being
shut down. Instead, Pratik said

974
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:26,130
Anita would be transitioning to
a chatbot named Tessa

975
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:27,810
Adam Curry: okay, you remember
the story now?

976
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:31,500
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was a
good anti union thing.

977
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:34,800
Adam Curry: Eating Disorder
helpline takes down chatbot

978
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,110
afterwards advice go Horeb goes
horribly wrong. So they launched

979
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:44,100
they fire the staff, they
launched the chat bot, Tessa,

980
00:57:44,580 --> 00:57:47,160
amongst other things, stated
that eating disorder, recovery

981
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,930
and intentional weight loss can
coexist and be done safely. God

982
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:56,340
recommended that you couldn't
you can lose one to two pounds a

983
00:57:56,340 --> 00:58:01,410
week. Just count your calories.
This is horrible for people with

984
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,860
eating disorders. This is the
worst thing you can imagine. I

985
00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,200
also think that this is a
counter offensive. I'm not sure

986
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:07,980
it's all true.

987
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,040
John C Dvorak: I think the whole
thing was it was rigged. You get

988
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,370
rid of all these people that
want to unionize. Yeah, put the

989
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:17,670
chat bot in temporarily and then
fire the chat bot and start

990
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:19,110
hiring scabs. Oh,

991
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:25,200
Adam Curry: perfect. There you
go. Nailed it. Nailed it. Now of

992
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,620
course, it's saying well, this
wasn't really AI. Okay. This was

993
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:34,710
just a chat bot man and wasn't
really AI. Which brings us to

994
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:40,230
the genius test done by a
professor and students,

995
00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:44,340
Unknown: CW Howe, who is a Duke
PhD and a professor actually

996
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:47,880
assigned his students a really
interesting assignment. He said

997
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:52,170
that he had them all generate an
essay 63 of his students, which

998
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:56,700
used a prompt that he gave them
for chat GPT their job was to

999
00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:00,960
then grade their essay and look
for so called hallucinated

1000
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,200
information and critique its
analysis. Now, what he points

1001
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,270
out hallucinate information is
stuff we talked about here

1002
00:59:06,270 --> 00:59:09,600
before fake quotes, fake
sources, real sources that are

1003
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,210
misunderstood and
mischaracterized. He says that

1004
00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:17,070
all 63 essays, every single
assignment, what he found was

1005
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:20,250
that the biggest takeaway is
that their students learn that's

1006
00:59:20,250 --> 00:59:23,850
chatty, but he was not reliable,
because all of them included

1007
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:26,460
some sort of hallucinated
information and it shows you

1008
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:30,180
that chatty PT, at least in its
current form, and maybe for all

1009
00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:33,810
time, who knows how difficult
this is for for them to solve is

1010
00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:39,540
that can easily hallucinate and
create false information.

1011
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Adam Curry: I think we need to
point out that the term

1012
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,350
hallucinate is made up by the
tech industry to make it seem

1013
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:53,070
less impactful when it's just
old crap. Oh, yes, AI can

1014
00:59:53,070 --> 00:59:53,940
hallucinate.

1015
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:57,120
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I have no
idea hallucination really should

1016
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,610
be only attributable to humans.
Yeah. Well, that's

1017
00:59:59,610 --> 01:00:03,210
Adam Curry: why are animals a
robot? That's why they're using

1018
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:04,530
the term to keep you

1019
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,610
John C Dvorak: humanize it a
dime. That could there was an

1020
01:00:08,610 --> 01:00:11,100
interesting question there that
I never considered, which is

1021
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:15,810
possible that they can't correct
us ever. What do you mean? He

1022
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:18,390
said in there, they don't know
if they can fix the

1023
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:22,350
hallucination problem with the
with these essays that these

1024
01:00:22,350 --> 01:00:25,890
things write up? And I'm
wondering whether or not that's

1025
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:28,890
true. Is it possible that it is
one of those things that because

1026
01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:33,720
of the nature of the of the
algos that are, can make this

1027
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,290
thing work in the first place
that it because it's only doing

1028
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,770
putting one word after the
other, that it can't not do

1029
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:44,400
this? And the reason I suggest
that is possible that it can't

1030
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,610
not do this. In other words, it
has to make these mistakes

1031
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:52,920
constantly is how hard can it be
to teach these things that

1032
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,110
humans have five fingers on each
hand.

1033
01:00:55,830 --> 01:00:58,950
Adam Curry: I know, it's very
annoying that it can't do that.

1034
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:03,870
So this brings me to the
Wikipedia entry for AI winter,

1035
01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:07,800
which you may recognize some of
these moments in technology

1036
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,520
history, and I believe the
hallucination will be the next

1037
01:01:11,550 --> 01:01:16,440
AI winter and AI winter,
according to the entry in the

1038
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,230
history of artificial
intelligence and AI winter is a

1039
01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:22,290
period of reduced funding and
interest in artificial

1040
01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:26,730
intelligence research. The term
was coined by analogy of the

1041
01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:31,470
idea of a nuclear winter, it all
kind of fits in. Because it's

1042
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:35,340
just as scary as nuclear. The
field has experienced several

1043
01:01:35,340 --> 01:01:39,510
hype cycles, followed by
disappointment and criticism,

1044
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:42,660
followed by funding cuts
followed by renewed interest

1045
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:48,780
years or even decades later. So
the overview timeline 1966 the

1046
01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:53,430
drastic failure of machine
translation? Does this ring a

1047
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:53,880
bell?

1048
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,020
John C Dvorak: Well, yes, and
that was the era when these

1049
01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:02,760
things were called the
electronic brains. And that was

1050
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,560
a rhotic brains, electronic
brains, and it was considered

1051
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,050
that there was the same pipe
about never, that's when those

1052
01:02:10,050 --> 01:02:12,870
movies started coming. I think
The Forbin Project came out,

1053
01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:17,100
like in the early 70s, early
70s. Yeah, yeah, we had all

1054
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:19,830
these movies where the computer
was taking over and it was going

1055
01:02:19,830 --> 01:02:22,980
to kill us all and it was going
to, you know, get together with

1056
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:26,820
other machines and the whole
thing that that was a

1057
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:30,840
distinctive moment in time,
which produced a lot of very

1058
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,100
entertaining films.

1059
01:02:32,730 --> 01:02:36,960
Adam Curry: So this was the lack
of process progress. 1964 The

1060
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:39,810
National Research Council had
become concerned about the lack

1061
01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:45,810
of progress and formed the ALP a
C ELPAC, the automatic language

1062
01:02:45,810 --> 01:02:51,030
processing advisory committee to
look into the problem. And they

1063
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:54,630
concluded in a famous 1966
report that machine translation

1064
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:57,270
was more expensive, less
accurate and slower than human

1065
01:02:57,270 --> 01:03:02,100
translation. Then we got the
abandonment of connectionism.

1066
01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:05,790
Does this ring any bells? No,
that one does not ring a bell

1067
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:10,320
1969 Some of the earliest work
in AI use networks of circuits

1068
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,800
or connected units to simulate
intelligent behavior. So kind of

1069
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,160
like neural networking. Examples
of this kind of work called

1070
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,960
connectionism. Good term, Walter
Pitts, Warren McCullough's first

1071
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,560
description of a neural network
for logic Marvin Minsky's work

1072
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,440
on snark, S n, AR C.

1073
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:34,470
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
that is. So connectionism that

1074
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:38,580
failed. They were abandoned.
Let's see why were they

1075
01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:43,440
abandoned didn't work. It work.
Then we had the light hitting

1076
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,020
Minsky had anything to do with
didn't work. By the way. It was

1077
01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:50,730
Minsky. He was a professor at
MIT and it was considered one of

1078
01:03:50,730 --> 01:03:53,820
the fathers of AI. Kind of

1079
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:58,740
Adam Curry: okay. Then we had
the light Hill report. Sir James

1080
01:03:58,740 --> 01:04:01,650
light Hill was asked by UK
Parliament to evaluate the state

1081
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:05,340
of AI research in the UK, now
called the light Hill report,

1082
01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:09,360
and he criticized the utter
failure to achieve its grandiose

1083
01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:13,830
exempt objectives. The report
led to the complete dismantling

1084
01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:18,960
of AI research in the UK.
Completely gone, then DARPA,

1085
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:23,640
DARPA, they came in DARPA was
going to save the day, early

1086
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,360
1970. The attitude changed with
after the passage of the

1087
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:32,550
Mansfield a net amendment in
1969, which required DARPA to

1088
01:04:32,550 --> 01:04:36,930
fund mission oriented direct
research. And of course, that

1089
01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:42,690
went nowhere. Then we had the
cert debacle, as you are the

1090
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:47,460
speech understanding Research
Program, Carnegie Mellon. So

1091
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:52,860
this is all basically still just
trying to understand speech. And

1092
01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:56,370
then he and I, I should have
known this one, the collapse of

1093
01:04:56,370 --> 01:05:00,630
the lisp machine market lisp.
That was superb. was to be the

1094
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:03,120
language of artificial
intelligence.

1095
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:06,540
John C Dvorak: Lisp was going to
take over the place. It was the

1096
01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:09,840
process still, there's still
remnants of Lisp in there.

1097
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:15,900
Adam Curry: Emacs runs on lisp.
And I had no idea Lisp was

1098
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:21,570
actually an early AI type
language. And it failed. And

1099
01:05:21,570 --> 01:05:27,090
we're left with Emacs, which
only neckbeards use. Then we had

1100
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:30,390
the fifth generation project
1981 Japanese Ministry of

1101
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:34,620
international trade and industry
$850 million, a lot of money in

1102
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:38,520
81 bucks for the fifth
generation computer. Their

1103
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,770
objectives were to write
programs to build machines that

1104
01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:43,860
could carry on conversations,
translate languages, interpret

1105
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:47,370
pictures, and reason like human
beings. Yeah.

1106
01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:51,750
John C Dvorak: Got everybody all
jacked up in Silicon Valley or

1107
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:54,540
was fearful that because the
Japanese you have to remember in

1108
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:58,200
the 80s were running the world.
They were taken over, they

1109
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,040
bought the Rockefeller Center
they bought most of Hawaii. They

1110
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,170
were buying everything up
because there were there were

1111
01:06:04,170 --> 01:06:06,420
that was the where everything
should go. In fact, there was a

1112
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:12,330
book done by James Fallows I
have a copy where him and he's

1113
01:06:12,330 --> 01:06:15,480
not the only one Now, that said,
we should all do things the way

1114
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,890
the Japanese do them. And the
Japanese are this teams, we they

1115
01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:21,630
will get rid of the assembly
line.

1116
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,500
Adam Curry: Teams means yes, of
course. I remember teams.

1117
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:28,440
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course.
And Toyota was the way to go.

1118
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,940
And it went on and on until the
Japanese stock market collapsed.

1119
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:36,180
I think that was an I don't
know, 93 or something. I can't

1120
01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:38,130
remember when it collapsed. But
when it collapsed, it never

1121
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:41,730
recovered. And the whole
Japanese ID and this this idea

1122
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:44,760
that everything should be the
way Japanese do it fell into the

1123
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,280
toilet. That was the end of it,
but it was triggered by that

1124
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:53,940
stupid computing project. They
made all these they'd been you

1125
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:58,200
know, sort rate saber rattling
about this fifth generation I

1126
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,390
was I was called the fourth
generation or whatever a fifth

1127
01:07:00,390 --> 01:07:03,210
generation computer that was
going to run everything.

1128
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,330
Adam Curry: The fifth generation
project ended not with

1129
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:12,180
successful roar, but with a
whimper. Then the strategic

1130
01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:18,030
computing initiative that was
DARPA's response to it the

1131
01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:20,580
program was under direction of
the information processing

1132
01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:24,180
technology office always with
government. You see, always

1133
01:07:24,180 --> 01:07:26,790
we've got what are these guys
doing? Government has to come in

1134
01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:32,310
once again. Jack Schwarz. Does
that ring a bell? Yeah, does

1135
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:37,740
kinda, yeah, he ascended to the
leadership of IP to and in 1987,

1136
01:07:37,740 --> 01:07:42,300
dismissed expert systems as
clever programming. And he said

1137
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:47,070
he cut funding to AI deeply and
brutally was no good AI.

1138
01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:48,720
John C Dvorak: I think he's the
one pulling the plug on

1139
01:07:48,750 --> 01:07:51,840
everything went down the tubes
after that, and and, in fact,

1140
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,440
and we had a note from someone
that I read up, I don't know,

1141
01:07:55,590 --> 01:08:01,140
1015 shows ago, where she she
reminded me that if you were

1142
01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:05,010
doing anything in venture
capital in the late 80s, and

1143
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,060
through probably most of the
90s, and you put you put a

1144
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:14,790
mention of AI into the proposal,
it would be rejected because aI

1145
01:08:14,790 --> 01:08:20,160
had gotten such a bad reputation
in the late 80s. After all this,

1146
01:08:20,580 --> 01:08:23,160
this happened. We went through
this all these issues that

1147
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,590
failed. They're all failures. In
fact,

1148
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:28,290
Adam Curry: your buddy John
Markoff in the New York Times in

1149
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:31,920
2005, wrote at its low point,
sub computer scientists and

1150
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,890
software engineers avoided the
term artificial intelligence

1151
01:08:34,890 --> 01:08:39,270
entirely for fear of being
viewed as wild eyed dreamers.

1152
01:08:42,210 --> 01:08:46,530
The Economist 2007 investors
were put off by the term voice

1153
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:51,480
recognition command. Remember
all that? Remember the IBM you

1154
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,740
got the little box with the with
the headset in it? You'd have to

1155
01:08:55,740 --> 01:09:01,620
go, okay, computer. I'm now
typing something to you. Period.

1156
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:01,890
Get

1157
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,130
John C Dvorak: that? Remember
the cars that had a bunch of

1158
01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:08,670
voices in them and you had to
talk to the car? Oh, what car

1159
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:11,940
was this? There was a bunch of
Japanese cars that were yakking

1160
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:13,080
at you constantly.

1161
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:15,930
Adam Curry: Remember, this guy
was probably Yeah, drive. I

1162
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:21,210
don't know. Jeff been yakking at
you. Oh, man, that's hilarious.

1163
01:09:21,210 --> 01:09:24,210
I think we're just in another
one of these cycles.

1164
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,930
John C Dvorak: Boris is this
whole we are ever in his cycles,

1165
01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:28,200
and it's

1166
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,600
Adam Curry: always and you
always have to bring in

1167
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,140
Kurtzweil Well, I believe in
Kurtzweil the guy's a genius.

1168
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:36,990
John C Dvorak: Kurtzweil you
know, I've read it run into that

1169
01:09:36,990 --> 01:09:40,560
guy. So often. I had him on my
silicone insurance. I ran it.

1170
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,380
I've run into him over time. And
he is so on his he's like not

1171
01:09:46,380 --> 01:09:49,590
even in the room. It's very
strange person

1172
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:51,750
Adam Curry: when he mean he's
not in the room. He's like Sam

1173
01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:53,640
Backman, fried. Have you

1174
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,820
John C Dvorak: ever walked up to
somebody who is like talking or

1175
01:09:56,820 --> 01:09:58,680
doing or doing something or
looking at something and you

1176
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,410
take your hand and put it in
front of their face and go up

1177
01:10:01,410 --> 01:10:04,710
and down and up and down and up
and down. And they don't react

1178
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:05,430
to it not

1179
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:08,130
Adam Curry: recently. But I can
imagine what you're talking

1180
01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:08,880
about. Yeah, that's

1181
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,500
John C Dvorak: done that with
was a while to Kurtzweil. Wow.

1182
01:10:15,690 --> 01:10:18,780
Adam Curry: So I think the
problem I have with all of this

1183
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:22,890
is, there's some very simple
things I would like solve, which

1184
01:10:22,890 --> 01:10:28,350
I believe AI will be great for
spam would be one. Like, if

1185
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:32,220
Microsoft is putting it into
their stuff. Why not just solve

1186
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:37,110
spam means that it's heuristics,
and there's a lot of training

1187
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:43,170
being done. And then how about
Siri or Alexa or any of these

1188
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:49,680
things? Make them work decently.
But no, none of it?

1189
01:10:50,490 --> 01:10:53,580
John C Dvorak: I think you and I
should start this spam AI

1190
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:54,120
company.

1191
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:57,270
Adam Curry: What's that gonna
do?

1192
01:10:57,930 --> 01:10:59,160
John C Dvorak: Stop spam.

1193
01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:01,470
Adam Curry: But it doesn't work.

1194
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:04,380
John C Dvorak: Well to collect a
lot of money than that. Good

1195
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:07,500
Adam Curry: luck with that. Can
you just imagine us showing up

1196
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:10,950
to some investors? Hey, hey,
buddy. Give us your money. Look

1197
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:11,040
at

1198
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,080
John C Dvorak: Oh, we have
frontmen doing it for us. We're

1199
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:19,710
too old, a 20 year olds for
yourself, please. You're going

1200
01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:21,480
to don't like give him money
that they

1201
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:25,680
Adam Curry: couldn't even use it
properly on on Facebook or

1202
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,030
Twitter to D to remove stuff.
It's all human beings who are

1203
01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:35,490
now stressed out and on Zoloft
because of the horrible watch

1204
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:40,320
and they want to unionize.
Exactly. Exactly. By the way

1205
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:45,630
just speaking of that, I looked
up that del Harvey who according

1206
01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:49,050
to my my new friend here was the
one who was really running the

1207
01:11:49,050 --> 01:11:54,150
show at Twitter. Do you remember
this conversation? Yes, please

1208
01:11:54,150 --> 01:11:54,720
John C Dvorak: continue.

1209
01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:59,370
Adam Curry: It's a she by the
way del Harvey. And del Harvey

1210
01:11:59,370 --> 01:12:05,160
is a very and never discussed.
Very, very strange person. I

1211
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:10,950
found a Forbes article from
2014. Harvey was the 25th

1212
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:14,160
employee at Twitter, where her
official title is vice president

1213
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,070
of trust and safety but she's
more like Silicon Valley's chief

1214
01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:21,120
sanitation officer dealing with
the dirtiest stuff on Twitter,

1215
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:24,300
spam, harassment, child
exploitation, threats of rape

1216
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:31,980
and murder. And that's not even
del Harvey's real name. Harvey

1217
01:12:31,980 --> 01:12:34,470
has an unusual background for
someone with so much power over

1218
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:36,660
public speech. She isn't a
lawyer once they have she's

1219
01:12:36,660 --> 01:12:39,750
graduated from college. Del
Harvey is not her legal name.

1220
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,470
She's secretive about her past,
but allows that she grew up in

1221
01:12:43,470 --> 01:12:46,110
the south where she spent the
summer as a lifeguard at a state

1222
01:12:46,110 --> 01:12:50,010
mental institution working with
troubled youth for education

1223
01:12:50,010 --> 01:12:52,050
about the dark side of the
Internet came instead from

1224
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:56,550
experience. In 2003. When she
was 21, she started volunteering

1225
01:12:56,550 --> 01:13:01,140
for perverted justice, a group
that posed as young kids online

1226
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:05,880
to engage potential pedophiles.
I remember that group when they

1227
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,820
caught one they post the chats
along with the identity of the

1228
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:12,270
would be this sounds like a cool
reality show. eventually became

1229
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:15,390
the site's law enforcement
liaison bundling up evidence for

1230
01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:21,900
local police this is this is a
spook This is a very very spooky

1231
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:22,500
person.

1232
01:13:22,830 --> 01:13:25,650
John C Dvorak: Well you got to
phony name that's a big deal.

1233
01:13:25,650 --> 01:13:30,150
You got to know that one person
that came today the costume

1234
01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:34,290
expert mentioned the fact that
when you get in the agency you

1235
01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:35,730
your name has changed.

1236
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:39,570
Adam Curry: If you really a high
of em clearly MK Ultra working

1237
01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:45,870
at the mental institution
completely controlled Yeah, this

1238
01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:49,590
is this I want I guess she's
gone right? She would be gone

1239
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:52,620
she would read Oh no, we don't
know it may have a new name new

1240
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:55,740
identity it's interesting

1241
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:02,130
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's that's
an interesting little tidbit. Ya

1242
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,340
know you'll never hear this on
any other show. No.

1243
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:11,970
Adam Curry: Probably not. And
with that, how about I thank you

1244
01:14:11,970 --> 01:14:14,580
for your currency in the morning
to you the man who put the sea

1245
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:20,100
in? Was that term again?
Connectivism

1246
01:14:21,180 --> 01:14:22,770
John C Dvorak: Connectivism
Connectivism

1247
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:24,390
Adam Curry: ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the

1248
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:25,710
other end Mr. John

1249
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:30,480
John C Dvorak: and I would say
from the looks of things we're

1250
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,130
going to do one segment is going
to

1251
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,230
Adam Curry: be one segment
people you don't have to leave

1252
01:14:34,230 --> 01:14:37,500
it'll take very little of your
time believe me very little of

1253
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:43,350
your time. All right. Well,
where are you? Where am I what I

1254
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:45,360
said in the morning to you I did
the whole echo I'm

1255
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,680
John C Dvorak: sorry. Good
morning to you and in the

1256
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,680
morning the ships of the sea and
and there's substantial water in

1257
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:50,160
the dames in

1258
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:59,010
Adam Curry: 1936 on this
Thursday 1936 Trolls checking us

1259
01:14:59,010 --> 01:14:59,970
out in the troll room.

1260
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,590
John C Dvorak: short answer to
that 100 over

1261
01:15:01,770 --> 01:15:07,740
Adam Curry: 100 over 100%. The
trolls can be found and can be

1262
01:15:07,740 --> 01:15:11,370
joined a troll room.io This is
where you can join in the chat

1263
01:15:11,370 --> 01:15:14,460
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stream, or consider using a

1264
01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:18,450
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1265
01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:20,580
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1266
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:24,390
legacy apps except you get this
amazing benefit of having live

1267
01:15:24,450 --> 01:15:28,230
podcasts. And we're not the only
one there all over the place.

1268
01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:31,980
Now. It's like people that this
is what we pioneered for over 15

1269
01:15:31,980 --> 01:15:34,500
years people are now doing as a
standard as long as you got the

1270
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:38,310
chat, or as we call it the troll
room, then it all comes together

1271
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:43,170
beautifully. You can also
interact with us and engage at

1272
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:46,680
no agenda social.com If you feel
so inclined, no agenda

1273
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,630
social.com is our non algo wised
social network we have about

1274
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:54,990
10,000 accounts you might still
be able to sign up I think it

1275
01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:58,590
might be closed currently but
when we purge or a few drop off,

1276
01:15:58,590 --> 01:16:01,830
we'll open it up but you can
follow us from any Mac Yeah, we

1277
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:05,010
will. You can follow us from any
Mastodon account that is not to

1278
01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:10,320
doesn't block us for our freeze
peach. And follow Adam and nogen

1279
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:14,160
the social.com Jhansi to work at
no agenda social.com. Now as a

1280
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,810
part of our value for value
model, we don't take any was the

1281
01:16:18,810 --> 01:16:21,810
whole concept if you don't take
any creepy commercial money, no

1282
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:25,620
advertising money, no
advertisers whatsoever. We exist

1283
01:16:25,620 --> 01:16:28,620
solely by your time, talent and
treasure. That's our boots on

1284
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:31,920
the ground reporting. That's
people who do servers and

1285
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,120
websites for us people who do
clips for us and of course we

1286
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,030
have producers who we'd like to
honor as executive and Associate

1287
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:42,060
Executive producers who come in
with money that we do need to

1288
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:46,680
exist. But before that, we want
to honor our artists for episode

1289
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:51,870
1559 The title of that one was
of course cobalt honoring the

1290
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,430
the old COBOL programming
language Parker Polly brought us

1291
01:16:56,430 --> 01:17:00,120
the artwork and it was a
memorial day special no

1292
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,820
mattresses for sale. But you
know we always like to do

1293
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:05,010
something a little traditional
on some of these traditional

1294
01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:09,000
days and so Parker Polly had all
the elements there it had an

1295
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:15,060
eagle it had some Americana it
had our names I personally it

1296
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:19,350
wasn't my all time favorite
there were a couple other ones

1297
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:23,670
that I like the one that I liked
here you didn't you thought it

1298
01:17:23,670 --> 01:17:29,040
was creepy. The capitalist
agenda honor with the eagle

1299
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:32,160
John C Dvorak: check was it oh
no that yeah, I didn't like that

1300
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,830
at all. You said looks like a
person not like an eagle which

1301
01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:37,440
well the problem No, it didn't
say the whole thing like a

1302
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:42,600
person. The beak? The beak?
Yeah. If you the beak look like

1303
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,390
abstaining like some sort of
creepy thing it was creepy I

1304
01:17:45,390 --> 01:17:48,510
didn't like it now. I don't even
see it on here whereas

1305
01:17:48,570 --> 01:17:51,330
Adam Curry: it's on the left
hand side about well got a lot

1306
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:55,560
of art today about five down I
would say oh there it is. Yeah,

1307
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,250
we both kind of like commentary
bloggers but art but it was not

1308
01:17:59,250 --> 01:18:01,710
appropriate for Memorial Day it
was it did show up in the

1309
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:04,770
chapters as expertly done by
Dred Scott in those modern

1310
01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:06,180
podcast I was a good but

1311
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:09,060
John C Dvorak: picture. Yeah,
it's aI Yes.

1312
01:18:09,870 --> 01:18:15,030
Adam Curry: I've given up on it
was aI but yeah, but ai ai but

1313
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:20,730
we know what's going on with AI
but Parker probably had to he

1314
01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:23,520
had one with episode number in
there, which we try to avoid. So

1315
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,360
we didn't use that one. He took
it out smartly. There a couple

1316
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,560
of mattress sale jokes, which is
good. But again, you know, we on

1317
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:36,270
Memorial Day will will scoff and
scorn the mattress promotions.

1318
01:18:36,570 --> 01:18:38,850
We're not actually going to use
it as art then at the same time

1319
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:41,460
that would have been wrong. Was
there anything else that we

1320
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:42,990
liked that we needed to discuss?

1321
01:18:43,799 --> 01:18:46,439
John C Dvorak: No, I was looking
I'm looking at him now and the

1322
01:18:46,949 --> 01:18:49,649
this was clearly the most
appropriate I mean, there were

1323
01:18:49,649 --> 01:18:55,139
some other Memorial Day stuff
but like the dame Kenny Ben with

1324
01:18:55,139 --> 01:19:00,299
the soldier that pit across
Yeah. We don't want to get to

1325
01:19:00,329 --> 01:19:01,829
modeling about it and

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Adam Curry: what's the what's
the word you use their modeling,

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modeling.

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John C Dvorak: Amen. Garry's
Mod. Is that word the word is

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,970
from No. Somebody will find that
very funny.

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Adam Curry: I understand mod I
know mod. But no mod. Kiss. Kiss

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01:19:21,660 --> 01:19:23,460
my grits is what Moto is used to
say.

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01:19:25,050 --> 01:19:27,960
John C Dvorak: No, that's from
this show. The analysts say Oh,

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:28,110
you're

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01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:32,190
Adam Curry: right. This Atlas
mod Allah says all the same. I'm

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01:19:32,190 --> 01:19:35,670
not old enough to really
remember. It's Thank you very

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01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:38,850
much to Parker polyester Parker
poly for bringing us the artwork

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01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:42,720
for episode 1559 We're on the
1560 and we want to thank a

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01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,460
shortlist of producers but still
very important to us for

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01:19:47,460 --> 01:19:51,600
supporting us for episode 1560
And we kick it off with Sir

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01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,170
autonomous of Dogpatch and Lois
LeBeau via he comes in once a

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01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:58,830
month with random numbers with
shorts code somehow we don't

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01:19:58,830 --> 01:20:02,580
really understand it. I'm sure
this included a $2 bill as

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01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:05,700
usual, this $2,332

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01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:10,290
John C Dvorak: was this it did
he has cash of $2 bills. Do you

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01:20:10,290 --> 01:20:14,340
have the note there, but this is
an oxymoron. This oxymoron in a

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01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:14,970
palindrome.

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01:20:15,780 --> 01:20:18,840
Adam Curry: Oxymoron. Oxymoron
idea though.

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01:20:19,290 --> 01:20:21,450
John C Dvorak: I do have to note
right here. Okay. I have a hard

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copy. Okay. Oh, it's hard. From
Serrana missive. Dogpatch. Loris

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,290
LeBeau, via thank you for all
the producers for their hard

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01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:33,780
work to make this show and it's
searchable archives. My go to

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01:20:33,780 --> 01:20:35,160
source for information,

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01:20:35,490 --> 01:20:37,740
Adam Curry: I want to say
something, we have a new

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01:20:37,740 --> 01:20:41,460
producer who's working on a new
search engine, which includes

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01:20:41,460 --> 01:20:47,940
the artwork, the transcripts,
the clips, all the articles, and

1356
01:20:47,940 --> 01:20:52,350
it's powered by AI. And I've
already used a little bit of it,

1357
01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:55,530
and it's pretty cool. So it's
going to be it's going to hit

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01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:59,040
cert on most of Dogpatch and
Loisel beaubier. Right where he

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01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,660
likes it. He's gonna love this.

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01:21:03,780 --> 01:21:06,480
John C Dvorak: And then he has a
quote, Those who forgot history

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01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:10,230
are condemned to repeat it.
Ukraine offers an example of

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01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:15,450
forgotten history. The Powell
Doctrine offered points such as

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Do we have genuine broad
international support? And is

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01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:26,070
there a plausible exit strategy
to avoid endless entanglement?

1365
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:29,280
Adam Curry: That would be
negative. If we're talking about

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01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:33,060
John C Dvorak: I think both are
negative. Correct to add

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01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:35,310
violates both I don't think
there's broad international

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01:21:35,310 --> 01:21:38,580
support is Sunday shows the
people that didn't know buddy,

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01:21:38,610 --> 01:21:42,450
not one country in the southern
hemisphere, the entire globe is

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01:21:42,450 --> 01:21:43,470
supporting this war,

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01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:45,690
Adam Curry: right. In fact,
Africa is all against it.

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Several European countries are
against it. Poland's getting

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01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,760
pissed off. Yeah, I agree. Um,
the

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John C Dvorak: growing
sentiments by Ukraine's allies

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01:21:56,550 --> 01:22:00,540
to impose reparations sets the
stage for an ugly future for

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01:22:00,540 --> 01:22:05,190
countries imposing reparations.
There is ample research on how

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01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:08,940
sanctions be, which just reminds
me of a there's an essay in

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01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:12,420
defense one, a newsletter
written by Wesley Clark and a

1379
01:22:12,420 --> 01:22:13,350
bunch of other people,

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01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:15,060
Adam Curry: the West Clark,
seventh guy,

1381
01:22:15,509 --> 01:22:18,509
John C Dvorak: and he's going on
and on and on about how we're

1382
01:22:18,509 --> 01:22:22,769
not supporting the International
Criminal Courts, persecution or

1383
01:22:22,769 --> 01:22:29,279
prosecution, I should say, of
Vladimir Putin. Yeah, and I shot

1384
01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:32,879
put it I'll try to get a link to
for the next newsletter. But

1385
01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:36,539
because findable, and they're
going on and on about it as if

1386
01:22:36,539 --> 01:22:41,399
that they don't know for a fact
that George W. Bush would be

1387
01:22:41,429 --> 01:22:43,919
listed as a war criminal and go

1388
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:48,000
Adam Curry: to jail if if we, if
you recognize the court stepped

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,770
John C Dvorak: out of the
country, but he's not going to

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01:22:49,770 --> 01:22:54,270
do that. Did you know that
before George W. Bush became

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01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:57,990
president, he had never left the
United continental United

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01:22:57,990 --> 01:23:01,740
States. No, I didn't never
stepped foot out of the country.

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01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:08,040
In fact, on surprise, you're
boring. I only know this from a

1394
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:12,480
fellow student who was in his
class at Yale, a Yalie.

1395
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:17,520
newspaper called bones. And he
told me he wasn't this guy

1396
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,500
wasn't his skeleton bones. And
he says that even when George HW

1397
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:29,160
Bush was the ambassador to
China, George was offered a trip

1398
01:23:29,250 --> 01:23:32,760
on the government dime to come
over to China is as one of his

1399
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:37,650
as the son and party, you know,
because to hang out. If you're

1400
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:40,530
the ambassador country, you'd
like Hunter, you're going to

1401
01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:44,520
have a lot of fun. And so Nope,
he wouldn't take the trip. Wow.

1402
01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:48,480
They're hated leaving the
country. So he's not gonna get

1403
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,090
arrested. Okay, let me start
over with this. The growing

1404
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:55,260
sentiment by Ukraine's allies to
impose reparations sets the

1405
01:23:55,260 --> 01:23:59,070
stage for an ugly future for
countries imposing reparations.

1406
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:03,300
There's ample research on how
sanctions and reparations

1407
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:09,510
undermine desired results. The
last major post war agreement

1408
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:14,010
that imposed reparations was the
Treaty of Versailles that worked

1409
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:18,030
out which led to Hitler Yeah,
what type of leadership will

1410
01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:22,320
arise under a reparations
imposed Russia? And will these

1411
01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:28,110
future leaders rebuild with far
more venom? allies of the future

1412
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:33,240
rebuilt Russia? are allies of
the future rebuilt Russia are

1413
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,530
already apparent and they should
they could be formidable

1414
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,720
opponents? No jingles? No karma?

1415
01:24:40,770 --> 01:24:43,470
Adam Curry: Sir Armus Dogpatch
and Laura Soboba always giving

1416
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:45,240
us something to think about.
Think about it.

1417
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,610
John C Dvorak: He's a worldly
guy. He's he's seen he's seen a

1418
01:24:47,610 --> 01:24:48,540
lot turned around.

1419
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,930
Adam Curry: He knows what's up.
Appreciate that autonomous.

1420
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:56,550
Thank you so much, and it really
saved the day for us. Although

1421
01:24:56,550 --> 01:25:00,300
Robert Patterson Jr. Came in
number two executive for Lucerne

1422
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:03,930
from Grove City, Pennsylvania
with an instant donation Adam

1423
01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:06,690
and John my first time donating
we're going to deduce you even

1424
01:25:06,690 --> 01:25:08,100
though you didn't ask for
permission.

1425
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,100
Unknown: You've been de deuced

1426
01:25:12,599 --> 01:25:14,579
Adam Curry: thank you guys for
giving me entertainment and

1427
01:25:14,579 --> 01:25:17,969
value over the years I've been
listening PS I would like my

1428
01:25:17,969 --> 01:25:24,779
title of the to be be Lord of
the Furies if available. Let's

1429
01:25:24,779 --> 01:25:25,199
check

1430
01:25:25,230 --> 01:25:28,680
John C Dvorak: let's make to
look be Lord of the fairies in

1431
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:29,490
healer, no.

1432
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:35,310
Adam Curry: Megan and I
discussed fairies. She brought

1433
01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:39,180
up fairies on the show. No,
that's interesting. She and she

1434
01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:44,520
was like these furries you know,
the I think the the thing was

1435
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,750
some furries had gotten mad that
Ron DeSantis said, you know,

1436
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,910
kids can't go to it can't be
exposed to any kind of sexual

1437
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:58,020
stuff in public if they're
minors. And the and some furries

1438
01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:01,890
were mad about it. And I asked
him and I was a free expert. I

1439
01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:04,170
said, Well, you I'm a free
expert here because we have

1440
01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:08,400
several furries who produce our
show. That probably confused

1441
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,690
her. Like, and I said and yeah,
it's a sexual thing and kids

1442
01:26:12,690 --> 01:26:14,580
it's not appropriate for
children. But the furries are

1443
01:26:14,580 --> 01:26:16,980
nice people there's nothing
wrong with and she was laughing

1444
01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:19,650
cheap. She was like you She kind
of got a view of furries having

1445
01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:21,330
sex with each other. I don't
know what was what she was

1446
01:26:21,330 --> 01:26:24,240
thinking. But I defended the
furries to a degree

1447
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,050
John C Dvorak: but you're a good
man for the furries no we have a

1448
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:32,940
furry guy here I'm pro is gonna
be I got it I noticed a note on

1449
01:26:32,940 --> 01:26:37,980
no agenda social comm are happy
to hear that we're seeing it it

1450
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:41,100
was hilarious to hear that
during the graduation at

1451
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:45,870
Evergreen. There were furries in
the graduation line. I think

1452
01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:46,200
there was

1453
01:26:47,790 --> 01:26:50,910
Adam Curry: never ever been
doesn't surprise me Of course,

1454
01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:56,670
John C Dvorak: and I had an I do
I do believe No, I do have

1455
01:26:56,670 --> 01:27:03,270
photos of the some of the Furies
and I'm gonna post them on no

1456
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:08,970
agenda social a couple of them.
Ah, do I have to promise I had

1457
01:27:08,970 --> 01:27:12,870
to figure out what the date was
or these photos are 2009 Is that

1458
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:13,560
graduation?

1459
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:16,890
Adam Curry: Graduation because
everything's changed now man.

1460
01:27:17,519 --> 01:27:18,779
John C Dvorak: There's probably
more for Reese

1461
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,800
Adam Curry: you got annoyed with
you got it.

1462
01:27:22,830 --> 01:27:26,610
John C Dvorak: We've got young
on we're with Paul summers 333

1463
01:27:26,610 --> 01:27:33,630
dot 23 which is the Memorial Day
donation and that ends our he

1464
01:27:33,630 --> 01:27:35,100
gets a double double calm
because there

1465
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,830
Adam Curry: was there was no I
couldn't find anything. Okay

1466
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:39,360
double double up karma for Paul.

1467
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:47,190
John C Dvorak: You've got karma
that is our total of associate

1468
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:49,800
our executive producers and onto
this so shirts.

1469
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,040
Adam Curry: Yeah, hold on to
your hats. We got to Dame slave

1470
01:27:53,190 --> 01:27:57,030
to Austin, Texas row a ducks 222
dot 22 In the morning gents.

1471
01:27:57,180 --> 01:28:00,660
June 2 commemorates one year's
insert dude and Cink and I

1472
01:28:00,660 --> 01:28:04,170
joined the roundtable on our
eight year anniversary, and

1473
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,560
we've never had a fight since we
started listening to no agenda

1474
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,160
together before that, they
probably did. Thanks for all you

1475
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,220
do lovers lit yet karma please.
Where's my Yak? You got a yak

1476
01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:16,470
for you? No problem damn
slamming you've got

1477
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:24,570
John C Dvorak: ah Harma and last
on our list here is era Darien,

1478
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:31,800
our trabuco Canyon California
Armenian who comes in and we

1479
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,440
haven't heard from him for a
while that I recall. He comes in

1480
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:38,940
with $200 with a note that says
I need some passport karma for

1481
01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:44,670
my daughter Grace. She applied
for her renewal in march back

1482
01:28:44,670 --> 01:28:47,790
then when the process I just
said then the processing time

1483
01:28:47,790 --> 01:28:51,720
gave her a month to spare. Now
we're within two weeks of our

1484
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,410
trip and nothing. So there's a
warning for everybody out to the

1485
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:58,650
Neisser passport renewed and I
believe that includes me.

1486
01:28:58,770 --> 01:29:01,980
Adam Curry: We while we
discussed this a few weeks ago

1487
01:29:02,010 --> 01:29:05,130
that this was worldwide remember
this is happening everywhere.

1488
01:29:05,580 --> 01:29:07,110
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they don't
want people going anywhere.

1489
01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:10,140
Nope. When we call the number
that the State Department has on

1490
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:13,140
their website to try and get an
in person appointment you are

1491
01:29:13,140 --> 01:29:16,320
within two weeks of your trip.
If you're within two weeks of

1492
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,770
your trip we get a recorded
message saying they're too busy

1493
01:29:19,770 --> 01:29:24,990
to take the call. We have asked
our Congresswoman to help out as

1494
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:29,640
well. My daughter is quite
nervous. But I told her that if

1495
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,910
I request passport karma from
the best pilot podcast in the

1496
01:29:32,910 --> 01:29:36,510
universe it says good as done
thanks for everything wow that's

1497
01:29:36,630 --> 01:29:40,500
Adam Curry: that's a that's a
tall order sir era email me I'm

1498
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:44,070
going to email you my my lawyer
who had done a lot of work for

1499
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:48,450
this for me on stuff like this.
He's an immigration lawyer but

1500
01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:51,720
he may be able to help with this
because that does fall in the

1501
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,760
same in the same category. Who
knows it's all it's all about.

1502
01:29:56,910 --> 01:29:59,550
You know these days it could be
the passport criminal do the

1503
01:29:59,550 --> 01:30:02,040
trick you Well let me give him
the passport karma that

1504
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,320
Unknown: you've got karma

1505
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:07,860
Adam Curry: and that's our
executive and Associate

1506
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,310
Executive producers. John was
taken through to the 50s won't

1507
01:30:11,310 --> 01:30:12,120
take very long

1508
01:30:12,930 --> 01:30:16,320
John C Dvorak: no we got a very
light today I have to say

1509
01:30:16,620 --> 01:30:19,890
anonymous starts us off in
Holmes Beach Florida with 150

1510
01:30:19,890 --> 01:30:23,610
bucks nice some jobs karma will
give him that at the end. Read a

1511
01:30:23,610 --> 01:30:32,700
Harrington in Sparks Nevada good
ol Rita Rita from Spark. Rita.

1512
01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:34,080
Rita. Hi.

1513
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,460
Adam Curry: No. Oh,

1514
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:38,970
John C Dvorak: just catch
Seafood Cafe and beauty point.

1515
01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:44,580
Australia Tasmania, Tasmania if
you're in Tasmania, chef's catch

1516
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:51,900
check it out. Check it out. Most
sir mostly nerd of India. Ah an

1517
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:54,810
Indian anyway. All right. 100
bucks. Thank you. He goes no

1518
01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:57,690
Coronavirus you know you're
gonna get no, Molly Morrison and

1519
01:30:57,690 --> 01:31:01,950
Utopia Texas with a name for a
town $100 You know where that

1520
01:31:01,950 --> 01:31:06,120
is? Now? Yes, I do. Robert
Campbell, good for you. Right, a

1521
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,410
brown retailer low in
landisville. Pennsylvania. 808.

1522
01:31:12,210 --> 01:31:14,340
Well, I'm gonna have to read a
little bit of this I don't

1523
01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:18,450
normally read at this level but
really enjoyed Adam on Glenn

1524
01:31:18,450 --> 01:31:19,170
Beck line

1525
01:31:19,170 --> 01:31:20,730
Adam Curry: backto nation show

1526
01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:26,970
John C Dvorak: I told you Sir C
sharp dotnet in Austin. 808 Sir

1527
01:31:26,970 --> 01:31:33,330
Kevin McLaughlin hasn't missed a
beat 808 in locust North

1528
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:41,670
Carolina, wanna treen in New
York City. After a little bit of

1529
01:31:41,670 --> 01:31:45,930
this, it's considered a blessing
to donate in multiples of 18 in

1530
01:31:45,930 --> 01:31:49,650
Judaism, hence $72

1531
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,160
Adam Curry: No. Interesting and
she she says, you know, listen

1532
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,770
to James Lindsay and I was
reminded by one of our producer

1533
01:31:55,770 --> 01:31:58,620
James Lindsay, I played the
three minute clip with him last

1534
01:31:58,620 --> 01:32:02,490
show. Do you know who he is?
He's one of those guys who put

1535
01:32:02,490 --> 01:32:09,000
in like all the phony baloney
research papers. Oh, I remember

1536
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:13,140
that. Yeah. You know, with 30 of
them got through No, most of

1537
01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:15,450
them got through not even a
third. I thought it was most

1538
01:32:15,540 --> 01:32:17,730
Yeah, he's one of those. The
third note of that group.

1539
01:32:17,820 --> 01:32:19,470
John C Dvorak: He's one of that
group. Yeah, that was a funny

1540
01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:20,070
operation.

1541
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:24,210
Adam Curry: By the way. C sharp
of dotnet. needs jobs Congress

1542
01:32:24,210 --> 01:32:27,240
smokin hot wife who got laid off
from her lucrative tech jobs, so

1543
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:28,500
we'll do that as well at the
end.

1544
01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:32,610
John C Dvorak: Jim Bharath in
north Wales, Pennsylvania, 6666

1545
01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:36,570
Craig Kohler in Evansville,
Indiana. 6502. James Buell in

1546
01:32:36,570 --> 01:32:43,620
Vista, California 606 Sure. BNA
in Nashville, Tennessee. 6993.

1547
01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:48,360
And his note, I love that too
many eggs book. Here's a

1548
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:54,870
donation over easy. By the way
too many eggs.com get a free

1549
01:32:54,870 --> 01:33:00,000
copy. Sir Glenn in Raleigh,
North Carolina 5510 with Edward

1550
01:33:00,030 --> 01:33:01,920
Adam Curry: with a switcheroo a
switch. Oh

1551
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,860
John C Dvorak: is a switcheroo.
Yes, it's China switches for

1552
01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:11,730
Edward Zaza switch a little shy,
shy is as shy shy. Oh yes,

1553
01:33:11,730 --> 01:33:14,640
Adam Curry: shy and Rogen
donation maker Liz for Liz. Yes.

1554
01:33:15,420 --> 01:33:20,130
John C Dvorak: Mechanicsville,
Virginia $55 A switcheroo Linda

1555
01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:26,820
Lou Potkin in Lakewood,
Colorado. I read that and tell

1556
01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:28,320
me if there's anything we should
read there. Yes,

1557
01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:32,460
Adam Curry: we remember it was
another Add Image makers inc.com

1558
01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:37,620
For all your executive resume
and job search needs. I don't do

1559
01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:39,810
it right and make good because
we didn't do it right.

1560
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,520
John C Dvorak: Now please. Bob
Butler and coming ga 5069.

1561
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:53,190
Gregory for for site foreman in
Bromley, gruff, UK. It was the

1562
01:33:53,190 --> 01:33:58,950
Orca story that got him. Eric
Carini in Spencer, Indiana 50 l

1563
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:01,140
and all the rest of these are
50s and we're gonna go right to

1564
01:34:01,140 --> 01:34:07,800
the end. Justin Kaler in
Bluffton, Indiana, Amy Zipkin in

1565
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:14,280
Greensboro, Georgia. Kim Winship
in Rancho Santa Fe re Howard in

1566
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:21,060
Kremmling. Colorado. Brandon law
clear and Sugar Hill GA Danielle

1567
01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:26,220
first in CA Ooh, con una,
Wisconsin. Oh, I thought was in

1568
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:31,860
Hawaii. So maybe it's Kona Ryan
sharp in Huntsville, Alabama,

1569
01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:37,920
Julie Mina Adeo in Costa Mesa,
California. Kyle, man in

1570
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,620
Cincinnati. Gil woods in Ocean
Grove New Jersey. Janet. Owls

1571
01:34:43,620 --> 01:34:49,470
house in Fort Pierce, Florida.
Read this load and dodgy she's a

1572
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:56,640
30 year career in TV news done
local net network 24 hour and

1573
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:02,010
launch channel that rhymes with
Box booze. Could it be quit

1574
01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:10,890
watching MSN Cold Turkey after
trusted news initiative? That's

1575
01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:17,640
Janet. Al's house. And here she
is. Justin. Justin Heiner and

1576
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:23,970
Vine Grove, Kentucky dotted mind
in Lincoln, UK, Lincolnshire.

1577
01:35:24,810 --> 01:35:28,560
Claire Thornhill in Toronto,
Ontario Tony Lange in Castle

1578
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,400
Pines, Colorado Robert Johnson
in Lakewood, Florida, Lakewood

1579
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:38,850
Ranch, Florida. And Jordan Plano
in Salem, Oregon, John Jonathan

1580
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:45,930
Peckham and Bristol. Rhode
Island is Stephen Tukey. A to UC

1581
01:35:45,930 --> 01:35:48,750
and why in Littleton, Colorado
and last but not least his

1582
01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:51,870
Eiichi Kanagawa in San
Francisco, California,

1583
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:57,750
Adam Curry: and I have one cash
donation was given to me. We had

1584
01:35:57,780 --> 01:36:04,290
Blacknight Craig Weinberg and
his wife Sarah over just after

1585
01:36:04,290 --> 01:36:09,450
Memorial Day, and their son
Calvin is 16 and he makes his

1586
01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:14,670
money while he can right now by
cutting grass at a golf course

1587
01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:18,570
gave us $50 And a note Dear John
and Adam and here's some cash

1588
01:36:18,570 --> 01:36:23,520
for your troubles. If you have
any. If you'd be so kind could

1589
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,200
you please call out Stuart tilma
as a douchebag Thank you kindly

1590
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,720
from Calvin Weinberg we
appreciate it Colin your hard

1591
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,560
earned cash we really do
appreciate it. And that is our

1592
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,040
entire list for today. We highly
appreciate everyone who

1593
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,410
supported us especially our
executive producers and

1594
01:36:40,410 --> 01:36:42,810
Associate Executive producers
and we have those two jobs

1595
01:36:42,810 --> 01:36:43,740
Carmen's by request

1596
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:46,230
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs

1597
01:36:46,260 --> 01:36:48,750
and jobs for jobs

1598
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:54,270
Adam Curry: are man we added a
goat just for the twist thank

1599
01:36:54,270 --> 01:36:57,990
you again for supporting the no
agenda Show episode 15 160 Our

1600
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formula is this we go out for
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1601
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including the birthday list we

1602
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have only one and it's an
insider. Henry Mackey turns 12

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1605
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1608
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are welcome here at the
roundtable. The no agenda

1609
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much for your support of the

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show in the amount of $1,000 or
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breast milk and pablum or maybe
just the good old mutton in me

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since you didn't request
anything special I think the

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mutton and meat will suit you
just fine thank you very much

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1625
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becoming a Knight of the no
agenda roundtable

1626
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,960
Yes, a couple of meetups and no
meetup reports a written report

1627
01:39:01,230 --> 01:39:04,260
and I got a lot of pictures and
videos from the no agenda

1628
01:39:04,260 --> 01:39:09,540
pirates seeking booty Flotilla,
which was crazy. That was in

1629
01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:14,220
Florida. Just a whole bunch of
drunk no agenda producers with

1630
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:17,130
their dogs in the water. It was
great. We had a fabulous meet up

1631
01:39:17,130 --> 01:39:20,580
in the sea yesterday myself
circumcised guardian of the fat

1632
01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:23,880
point Dame ZIL in a dress. Dame
Rachel Sir Edward and a few

1633
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,240
other producers Eric Adler, Rene
and Mike made it out, along with

1634
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,780
some Dragos buddy, the yellow
lab and my sweet girl Hannah

1635
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:36,060
Belle Lichter, a bell, poor dog,
Hannibal Lecter, the red golden

1636
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:38,790
retriever What a time we have.
It's a great name for a dog.

1637
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,020
Annabelle Hannibal Lecter the
second video has us doing the

1638
01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:46,710
ITM since it was way too. Wasn't
quite all buttoned up. But thank

1639
01:39:46,710 --> 01:39:50,460
you very much I enjoyed looking
into and the drone picture of

1640
01:39:50,460 --> 01:39:54,240
you guys was good as well. That
tomorrow there will be a meet up

1641
01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:58,500
in the Netherlands Amsterdam.
It's the let's go six feet under

1642
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:02,370
six o'clock in stone. For some
Stratasys in Amsterdam, the

1643
01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:06,000
Netherlands Joe the big club is
organizing Miller's Ale House in

1644
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,970
Tallahassee, Florida. On Friday
at 630 we have on Saturday

1645
01:40:11,970 --> 01:40:15,150
making our own meal you at four
o'clock Cleveland Drafthouse and

1646
01:40:15,150 --> 01:40:18,750
garner North Carolina. On the
next show day Sunday ever first

1647
01:40:18,750 --> 01:40:21,510
ever southeast Wyoming meet up
one o'clock Chronicles

1648
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,180
distilling Cheyenne, Wyoming,
make sure you go there as a

1649
01:40:24,180 --> 01:40:27,030
first timer. It's always cool
people show up. And also on

1650
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:31,620
Sunday the mac and cheese for
days 2pm Easter at dirtbag Ale

1651
01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:34,920
House in hope Mills North
Carolina just a few of the no

1652
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:40,170
agenda meetups there are so many
around the globe we're full of I

1653
01:40:40,170 --> 01:40:43,440
mean I see stuff in July
scheduled already so definitely

1654
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:46,290
check it out. This is where you
get your community connection is

1655
01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:49,380
protection and remember if you
can't find one near you start

1656
01:40:49,380 --> 01:41:00,630
one yourself it's easy some day
de bom bom you won't be

1657
01:41:00,660 --> 01:41:12,000
triggered all you see is like a
party before we get to the ISOs

1658
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:15,360
Paul Helmick wanted to give
karma for his lawyer Tom

1659
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,970
Corrigan for winning his case
pro bono.

1660
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,399
Unknown: You've got karma.

1661
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:25,440
Adam Curry: See, John, you see
see me on the note and I take

1662
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:29,100
care of it. Sorry that
nevermind?

1663
01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:30,420
Unknown: Yeah.

1664
01:41:32,430 --> 01:41:34,230
Adam Curry: I got a lot of ISOs

1665
01:41:34,710 --> 01:41:36,960
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, go look
Brent's room as soon as a

1666
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:42,480
12321212

1667
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:50,970
Adam Curry: Here we go. We're
watching you rock that is so

1668
01:41:50,970 --> 01:41:54,390
sweet. Chris was great.

1669
01:41:55,530 --> 01:42:00,120
Unknown: To be in panic. We will
not be in panic.

1670
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:03,240
Adam Curry: By the way I forgot
this one we got some human

1671
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:10,770
resource was abused. You bendy?
Just had to play that. And

1672
01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:13,260
here's the one I think that
should win. I believe that AI

1673
01:42:13,260 --> 01:42:15,690
could eat us and I think that's
kind of a winner.

1674
01:42:16,349 --> 01:42:17,849
John C Dvorak: I kind of liked
the other one better.

1675
01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:22,260
Adam Curry: You'd like this one.
This was great. That one? Yeah.

1676
01:42:22,290 --> 01:42:25,200
Okay, it was alright,

1677
01:42:25,230 --> 01:42:26,880
John C Dvorak: what do you have?
Me? I don't know if I have

1678
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:31,020
anything to top that. But I do
have three. Okay. First of all,

1679
01:42:31,020 --> 01:42:32,130
I have aliens.

1680
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:35,250
Adam Curry: Probably not aliens.
Okay.

1681
01:42:35,940 --> 01:42:38,700
John C Dvorak: I got Bang. Bang.
Dang owl.

1682
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:42,930
Adam Curry: Was it bang ding
out. Bang. Dang owl. Where's

1683
01:42:42,930 --> 01:42:43,590
that from?

1684
01:42:44,370 --> 01:42:48,420
John C Dvorak: It's from the
famous. Well, you'll hear the

1685
01:42:48,420 --> 01:42:51,840
whole thing. Coming out.
Probably should let that one

1686
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:56,250
out. Yeah. Later. That's that
was one of the pilots on the

1687
01:42:56,250 --> 01:42:57,960
plane that crashed in San
Francisco.

1688
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:01,950
Adam Curry: Oh, bang ding our I
remember that. Yes, of course.

1689
01:43:03,180 --> 01:43:10,020
Hold. Yes. Yeah. And the last
one is this one. Totally. I

1690
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:15,660
think my wins. Yeah, let me just
check it. This one. This was

1691
01:43:15,660 --> 01:43:19,410
great. Yeah, I think that's a
winner. I think that's a winner

1692
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:27,420
for our trans Maoism segment.

1693
01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:33,450
John C Dvorak: I have a copy of
a slew of clips for this.

1694
01:43:34,170 --> 01:43:37,920
Adam Curry: Oh, good. Well,
first, let's, let's see how this

1695
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,760
is being ramped up. Because of
course, there's so much extreme

1696
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,830
right wing hatred towards LGBTQ.
That Department of Homeland

1697
01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:49,050
Security is issuing warnings

1698
01:43:49,110 --> 01:43:51,900
Unknown: of Homeland Security is
warning of a potential troubling

1699
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:55,290
escalation and tactics from
right wing extremists. Catherine

1700
01:43:55,290 --> 01:43:57,750
herridge has more on this and
she joins us from Washington,

1701
01:43:57,900 --> 01:44:01,290
Catherine, we understand the
power grid could be a target.

1702
01:44:02,190 --> 01:44:05,280
Good morning. According to the
intelligence report obtained by

1703
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,700
CBS News, these groups have
developed credible and specific

1704
01:44:08,700 --> 01:44:13,050
plans to attack the power grid
since at least 2020 as a way to

1705
01:44:13,050 --> 01:44:15,630
disrupt the country and the
ability of government to

1706
01:44:15,630 --> 01:44:19,440
operate. The report warns
extremists adhering to a range

1707
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:23,040
of ideologies will likely
continue to plot and encourage

1708
01:44:23,070 --> 01:44:27,000
physical attacks against power
networks, which include more

1709
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,720
than 6400 plants and nearly a
half million miles of high

1710
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,170
voltage lines. While the
bulletin emphasized small scale

1711
01:44:34,170 --> 01:44:37,890
attacks are unlikely to cause
widespread power loss. It may

1712
01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:41,520
cause disruption to critical
infrastructure, like hospitals

1713
01:44:41,550 --> 01:44:44,640
and police departments. Homeland
Security noted several

1714
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:48,450
indicators including online
chatter. While the report does

1715
01:44:48,450 --> 01:44:52,050
not suggest an imminent threat,
the homeland security secretary

1716
01:44:52,050 --> 01:44:55,740
has warned lone wolf actors and
Small bands of extremists are

1717
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:58,740
among the greatest domestic
threat because they are hard to

1718
01:44:58,740 --> 01:45:01,800
detect, disrupt up to and can
mobilize quickly.

1719
01:45:01,980 --> 01:45:08,820
Adam Curry: Oh crap. This is
this is this is so wrong online

1720
01:45:08,820 --> 01:45:12,600
chatter, John online chatter
because you know, they're all

1721
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,780
terrorists you know when you
boycott to target by the way

1722
01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:19,350
you're a terrorist just let you
know, according to MSNBC

1723
01:45:19,410 --> 01:45:23,280
Unknown: when target caves into
this then it says that the

1724
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,790
moment you threaten the
employees of even a very large

1725
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:32,070
corporation you get to control
its policies This is economic

1726
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:36,750
terrorism literally terrorism
creating fear among the workers

1727
01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:40,800
and forcing the corporations to
sell the things you want not

1728
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:42,090
sell the things you don't

1729
01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:48,210
Adam Curry: you see how this is
being turned? Now it's to reject

1730
01:45:48,510 --> 01:45:52,350
something that's being sold in a
store by not going there. Now

1731
01:45:52,350 --> 01:45:57,690
you are putting the people who
work there in harm's way. And we

1732
01:45:57,690 --> 01:46:01,260
got a boots on the ground from a
producer whose wife is a store

1733
01:46:01,260 --> 01:46:07,380
manager for Carter's OSH ba
Oshkosh. I'm not sure I'm not

1734
01:46:07,380 --> 01:46:10,020
familiar with this story
familiar with Carter's Oshkosh.

1735
01:46:10,710 --> 01:46:14,580
Now it's probably regional, was
summoned to an emergency call

1736
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:17,580
this morning. They usually only
have one of these calls if

1737
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:20,490
there's a major personnel shift
in corporate so the rumors were

1738
01:46:20,490 --> 01:46:23,880
running wild. The call was
covering the latest target

1739
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,940
situation and how the company
was planning to handle it.

1740
01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:30,390
Carter does sell into major
retailers like targets and

1741
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:33,090
Kohl's. They also have a line of
children's clothes that are

1742
01:46:33,090 --> 01:46:36,150
alphabet people friendly. But
the message is are neutral

1743
01:46:36,150 --> 01:46:39,840
things like a rainbow with the
caption Love everybody and have

1744
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,960
been selling them for years with
new hit no issues. Today, the

1745
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,780
stores were informed that they
are to pull those products and

1746
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:48,930
direct customers who asked for
them to their website for the

1747
01:46:48,930 --> 01:46:52,560
safety of the employees. They
also had some window marketing

1748
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,110
that would have gone up today
and that has also been

1749
01:46:55,110 --> 01:46:59,370
cancelled. From our experience,
quarters has been one of the

1750
01:46:59,370 --> 01:47:02,250
better large companies keeping
their politics out of the

1751
01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:05,640
workplace during COVID. They
never forced the desk job on

1752
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,700
people. They never even asked
what employee status was I'm

1753
01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:10,920
hoping that this means the
pendulum is starting to swing

1754
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:15,720
the other way. The CEO referred
to the bud light effect, as well

1755
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,410
as the effect of their employees
as the reason for the product

1756
01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:25,140
pole. So this is now finally
starting to dawn on companies

1757
01:47:25,140 --> 01:47:33,990
that huh, maybe not such a great
idea. This is, of course,

1758
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:39,780
directed from on high. This is
the whole concept of this comes

1759
01:47:39,780 --> 01:47:45,090
from the DEI, the ESG and the
now CEI, the corporate equity

1760
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:49,500
index, which kind of forced
these corporations into doing

1761
01:47:49,500 --> 01:47:52,980
this kind of stuff. And someone
sent me a clip was very

1762
01:47:52,980 --> 01:48:00,180
interesting. Beth Brooke Marcin
Marciac who she was she was she

1763
01:48:00,180 --> 01:48:03,540
some big wigs used to be
somewhere and she she isn't this

1764
01:48:03,540 --> 01:48:06,720
was in the newsletter. I was
this we were talking about this

1765
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:08,190
is the the PG le

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01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:11,490
John C Dvorak: what PGL II is

1767
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:15,900
Adam Curry: partnership for
global LGBTQ equality. Oh, no,

1768
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:18,750
this is something else. Okay,
well, here, here, here she is

1769
01:48:19,020 --> 01:48:24,810
talking about this is this from
the Sustainable Business Network

1770
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:28,350
Conference, I should tell the
audience about PG le, what does

1771
01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:31,320
it do? Why is it important and
we would love to have more

1772
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:32,940
companies join in.

1773
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:35,310
Unknown: But this this story
about Davos and the handful of

1774
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:39,240
us that found each other. So the
PGL, a partnership for global

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01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:43,860
LGBTI quality. This is a group
that was formed in collaboration

1776
01:48:43,860 --> 01:48:46,890
with the World Economic Forum
after five or six years of

1777
01:48:46,890 --> 01:48:51,660
working behind the scenes with
senior leaders at just a handful

1778
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:55,680
of companies. This company, this
organization, was founded in

1779
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,250
January of 2019. Can you believe
that the World Economic Forum

1780
01:48:59,250 --> 01:49:04,680
just agreed to do it this
January. So we have there in

1781
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,260
collaboration with them, we can
use their channels of

1782
01:49:07,260 --> 01:49:10,740
distribution, their brand,
they're now in the mainstream,

1783
01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:14,010
on the main stage in Davos and
into the mainstream of the

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01:49:14,010 --> 01:49:16,740
programming at the World
Economic Forum is founded by

1785
01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:22,080
seven companies. We are signing
on more we want more, we have 14

1786
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,690
now but what are we committed to
do? We are committed to change

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01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:27,540
the world for LGBTI inclusion
around the world, not by

1788
01:49:27,540 --> 01:49:31,260
competing with other LGBTI
organizations but by amplifying

1789
01:49:31,260 --> 01:49:35,580
and lifting by using the
platform of the World Economic

1790
01:49:35,580 --> 01:49:38,490
Forum both in Davos but also
regionally and around the world.

1791
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:43,050
Also working with the UN, trying
to get these companies you have

1792
01:49:43,050 --> 01:49:46,440
to have signed on to the UN
standards in order to join the

1793
01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:49,110
partnership and how many
companies have signed on to that

1794
01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:53,790
and to under 70 Our goal is to
get many many more and and then

1795
01:49:53,790 --> 01:49:56,580
to work around the world both
not only in sharing best

1796
01:49:56,580 --> 01:49:59,880
practices among the companies,
but their strength in numbers.

1797
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:03,030
So With a platform of the World
Economic Forum, the power of the

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01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:06,840
UN and then finally the strength
in the companies working

1799
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:10,890
together, where you when you
combine are the the the

1800
01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:14,460
economies, the corporate
economies of those 14 countries

1801
01:50:14,580 --> 01:50:18,240
were bigger than most a lot of
countries. So tremendous power.

1802
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,780
in Davos a couple of years ago,
Vice President Biden met

1803
01:50:21,780 --> 01:50:24,480
privately with those of us
working behind the scenes and he

1804
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:27,930
sat down with us and looked us
in the eye and he said, you can

1805
01:50:27,930 --> 01:50:32,160
do you companies can do what we
government cannot and will never

1806
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:35,190
do. You have to change the world
on this issue.

1807
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,580
Adam Curry: There you go. And
some of these founding members

1808
01:50:38,970 --> 01:50:43,080
will not be surprised Accenture,
Boston Consulting Group,

1809
01:50:43,380 --> 01:50:47,310
Deloitte, Coca Cola Company,
Edelman, Ernst and Young all the

1810
01:50:47,310 --> 01:50:50,880
all the advertisers starting to
figure it out here. Human Rights

1811
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,360
Watch Johnson and Johnson
MasterCard, Microsoft, Procter

1812
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,120
and Gamble, PepsiCo,
PricewaterhouseCoopers,

1813
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:03,360
Salesforce, Scotiabank, GLAAD
Human Rights Campaign. McKinsey

1814
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:08,700
and Company Novartis, Nestle
WPP. No wonder no wonder it

1815
01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:11,670
being thrown dude, just been
thrown at everybody. It's all

1816
01:51:11,670 --> 01:51:15,660
it's the whole advertising
community are all in on this.

1817
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,640
It's all of this. You got some
links in the show notes to take

1818
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:21,750
a look at in the show notes. So

1819
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:25,650
John C Dvorak: I've picked up a
weird series of clips from NPR.

1820
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:30,690
Oh, now this woman, I don't just
called the trans the other side.

1821
01:51:30,690 --> 01:51:33,390
This is the other side of all
these arguments you have about

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01:51:33,390 --> 01:51:37,500
you know, mutilating kids. Oh,
this the other side. Oh, the

1823
01:51:37,770 --> 01:51:42,180
other side. Oh, is the pro side?
Yes. Okay, good. We need is

1824
01:51:42,180 --> 01:51:44,940
balanced show we do both sides.
No, sorry. But what was weird

1825
01:51:44,940 --> 01:51:48,600
about this, this was I picked
this up on the NPR news feed.

1826
01:51:49,110 --> 01:51:54,180
And there was two things. One,
it wasn't introduced by anybody.

1827
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:57,150
It was just this woman shows up
right at the beginning. I don't

1828
01:51:57,150 --> 01:52:00,660
know who it is somebody with a
British accent. And she does

1829
01:52:00,660 --> 01:52:03,330
this whole segment and I don't
know who it is. She's never

1830
01:52:03,330 --> 01:52:08,250
outro. And, and the weirdest
thing to me was, since I record

1831
01:52:08,250 --> 01:52:16,680
the whole hour of the NPR feed,
it came in at a notable maybe

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01:52:16,890 --> 01:52:22,290
I'd say at least eight to 10 DBS
lower than the regular audio ta

1833
01:52:22,650 --> 01:52:26,370
because it was very noticeable.
You have the hypes spikes,

1834
01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:29,580
normal audio and then there's
this thing shows up as a little

1835
01:52:29,670 --> 01:52:32,070
Lego like a thing. It's like
what the hell

1836
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,750
Adam Curry: like was pre
produced but produced

1837
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:34,500
improperly.

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01:52:35,309 --> 01:52:40,109
John C Dvorak: It was pre
produced and never, never potted

1839
01:52:40,109 --> 01:52:44,369
up, right. And I have no idea
will do what they were thinking

1840
01:52:44,369 --> 01:52:48,209
or what was doing there. I mean,
I just fixed it, of course. But

1841
01:52:48,449 --> 01:52:53,939
besides just fixing it, I had to
do interstitial fixes. Because

1842
01:52:53,939 --> 01:52:56,939
the volume was going up and down
and up and down. And every which

1843
01:52:56,939 --> 01:52:58,919
was a piece of shit. To be
honest.

1844
01:52:59,550 --> 01:53:01,680
Adam Curry: You had to do some
real work here. You had to ride

1845
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:02,310
the fader.

1846
01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:08,850
John C Dvorak: Right? Yes,
exactly. And so. But I still

1847
01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:11,880
don't know where this came from,
or why they ran it, who's who's

1848
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,670
behind it or anything else. But
it's, it pretty much presents

1849
01:53:14,670 --> 01:53:17,640
the other side of the trans
debate. And here we go. It's

1850
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:19,320
clip one. Across the country,

1851
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:22,560
Unknown: conservatives are
targeting transgender people

1852
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,430
with legislation restricting
their medical care. 19 states

1853
01:53:26,430 --> 01:53:29,160
across the US have already
passed laws banning at least

1854
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:32,940
some kind of gender affirming
care for transgender minors. In

1855
01:53:32,940 --> 01:53:36,390
Texas lawmakers passed a bill
earlier this month that would

1856
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:39,690
prohibit doctors from providing
surgeries and essential

1857
01:53:39,690 --> 01:53:43,440
medication for transgender
youth. This type of care is

1858
01:53:43,470 --> 01:53:47,340
evidence based and supported by
the majority of doctors. But

1859
01:53:47,340 --> 01:53:50,310
Governor Greg Abbott has
promised to sign the legislation

1860
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:51,840
when it comes across his desk.

1861
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:57,930
John C Dvorak: Okay, so this is
Texas. Yeah, a lot of Texas in

1862
01:53:57,930 --> 01:54:00,120
here Texas is targeting being
targeted, by the

1863
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:01,890
Adam Curry: way we want to erase
them.

1864
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:08,220
John C Dvorak: And so it's the
way they present this is there's

1865
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:10,590
an interesting little
contradiction with throughout

1866
01:54:10,590 --> 01:54:14,700
the report, which is all we've
been hearing Oh, we don't go we

1867
01:54:14,700 --> 01:54:20,850
don't operate and, you know, a
sterilize under 18. We thought

1868
01:54:20,850 --> 01:54:23,910
that we do now even though
there's tons of documentation

1869
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:24,480
that they do it.

1870
01:54:25,140 --> 01:54:28,230
Adam Curry: Hold on What just
literally three doctors left

1871
01:54:28,260 --> 01:54:33,600
Dell Children's Hospital over
this bill. Dell Children's

1872
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:37,200
Hospital, they left because they
couldn't do their affirming

1873
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:37,860
care.

1874
01:54:38,670 --> 01:54:42,600
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's just
saying. So hear it because they

1875
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:45,750
couldn't do it. They couldn't
operate and butcher these kids.

1876
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:50,370
Yeah. To put it mildly. Yes. Did
I use that word? Okay. Yes. But

1877
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:52,470
this is again, read this the
other side of the argument. So

1878
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:55,230
they're making you know,
they're, they're leaving

1879
01:54:55,260 --> 01:54:59,130
information out. And it's and
it's just as they have two

1880
01:54:59,130 --> 01:55:04,710
children. This entry? Are they
want to trash? You know they

1881
01:55:04,710 --> 01:55:07,500
want to transition? They all do.

1882
01:55:07,559 --> 01:55:11,159
Adam Curry: Well do we have to
be honest about it that the way

1883
01:55:11,159 --> 01:55:16,679
the therapists are operating?
They are indeed telling every

1884
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:22,019
almost every child who has some
typical child social issues or

1885
01:55:22,379 --> 01:55:25,889
the anxiety issues, well, you
may be a boy, you may be a girl,

1886
01:55:25,889 --> 01:55:28,169
maybe it's time for some
testosterone or some estrogen.

1887
01:55:28,169 --> 01:55:32,339
So yeah, that is happening, even
though that is not really gender

1888
01:55:32,339 --> 01:55:33,029
dysphoria.

1889
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:34,890
John C Dvorak: So here we go.
Part Two.

1890
01:55:35,309 --> 01:55:38,699
Unknown: Under the bill, any
transgender minus already on

1891
01:55:38,699 --> 01:55:43,379
gender affirming medication will
be required to be weaned off the

1892
01:55:43,379 --> 01:55:47,249
drug when the legislation
becomes law. For more, let's

1893
01:55:47,249 --> 01:55:50,339
bring in Teresa Gaffney. She has
been reporting on this for our

1894
01:55:50,339 --> 01:55:53,969
partners at stat news, the
health and medicine publication.

1895
01:55:53,969 --> 01:55:57,989
Welcome, Theresa. Thank you for
having me. Theresa, what's

1896
01:55:57,989 --> 01:56:02,069
happening in Texas comms estates
across the country are targeting

1897
01:56:02,099 --> 01:56:05,639
gender affirming care for
transgender youth? How does this

1898
01:56:05,669 --> 01:56:07,439
legislation from Texas Oh,

1899
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,290
Adam Curry: this is a script,
John, this is a total script and

1900
01:56:10,290 --> 01:56:12,060
into that picture, and

1901
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:12,960
Unknown: are they using

1902
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,070
John C Dvorak: it again, I
mentioned something else. At

1903
01:56:17,070 --> 01:56:22,020
first when I saw the levels
being so low, and then I jacked

1904
01:56:22,020 --> 01:56:26,880
him up as best I could, without,
you know, distorting the feed. I

1905
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,670
realized that part of this whole
thing and all the people that

1906
01:56:29,670 --> 01:56:33,210
are involved that woman who is
the host, whoever she is, and

1907
01:56:33,210 --> 01:56:39,570
then this guest, they're talking
beyond normal NPR style. So you

1908
01:56:39,570 --> 01:56:43,560
have to strain to listen, which
is we know is a an effective

1909
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:47,670
mechanism to get people to
remember things better, because

1910
01:56:47,670 --> 01:56:52,380
you're so that this is done on
purpose. So can you Sorry,

1911
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:55,230
Adam Curry: I'm just saying stat
news delivers trusted and

1912
01:56:55,230 --> 01:56:58,110
authoritative journalism, about
health medicine and life

1913
01:56:58,110 --> 01:57:01,710
sciences. This seems like one of
those outfits that you can order

1914
01:57:01,710 --> 01:57:02,700
a report from?

1915
01:57:04,050 --> 01:57:05,580
John C Dvorak: You know what I
mean? I'm sure it is. Yeah.

1916
01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:06,030
Okay.

1917
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,570
Unknown: Bill is one that's
similar to many other health

1918
01:57:09,570 --> 01:57:12,960
care bills, targeting trans
youth, prohibiting, as you

1919
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:17,580
mentioned, medication for
minors. So it's targeting gender

1920
01:57:17,580 --> 01:57:21,240
affirming hormones and puberty
blockers and the language is

1921
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:25,620
mostly similar to the other
bills across the country. They

1922
01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:28,770
all specifically target people
who are trying to use these

1923
01:57:28,770 --> 01:57:32,400
medications because of their
gender identity. This language

1924
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,160
of weaning people off the
medication is slightly

1925
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:38,550
different. But a handful of
other states include similar

1926
01:57:38,580 --> 01:57:41,940
similar stipulations to
systemically reduce gender

1927
01:57:41,940 --> 01:57:43,950
affirming care, in the same way.

1928
01:57:44,220 --> 01:57:48,630
So let's talk about the specific
medications that are targeted in

1929
01:57:48,630 --> 01:57:52,530
this bill. Tell me what those
medications do

1930
01:57:52,650 --> 01:57:57,630
what puberty blockers do as they
stop the process of puberty from

1931
01:57:57,630 --> 01:58:02,610
happening. So for people who
don't want their voice to lower

1932
01:58:02,610 --> 01:58:06,540
or to grow certain hair, have
their their breasts grow, these

1933
01:58:06,540 --> 01:58:09,930
will stop those changes. It's
you can stop taking the

1934
01:58:09,930 --> 01:58:14,010
medication at any time. And
those processes will start up

1935
01:58:14,010 --> 01:58:14,490
again.

1936
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:21,600
Adam Curry: Wow, patently false
lie. Stat news is owned by John

1937
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,470
Henry, who was also the owner of
The Boston Globe in the Boston

1938
01:58:25,470 --> 01:58:29,850
Red Sox. Quick note, my decision
to create a new publication

1939
01:58:29,850 --> 01:58:33,300
about health medicine and life
sciences began to shape during a

1940
01:58:33,300 --> 01:58:36,810
dinner I attended in Boston
during the summer of 2014. About

1941
01:58:36,810 --> 01:58:39,840
a year after I'd purchased the
Boston Globe, two dozen of us

1942
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,470
had been invited by Eric
Schmidt, the executive chairman

1943
01:58:43,470 --> 01:58:46,770
of Google to discuss why Boston
which had once an opportunity to

1944
01:58:46,770 --> 01:58:49,380
claim the mantle as a nation's
tech hub had been eclipsed by

1945
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:53,370
Silicon Valley there's a bunch
of elitist douchebags

1946
01:58:56,430 --> 01:58:58,800
John C Dvorak: in that last
report, that woman uses an

1947
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:04,260
interesting phrase about getting
about these bills and she says

1948
01:59:04,260 --> 01:59:10,260
systemically reduce the use of
the word systemic which stems

1949
01:59:10,260 --> 01:59:16,350
from was popularized by BLM with
systemic racism Yeah, I think

1950
01:59:16,350 --> 01:59:19,860
was used purposefully because
the worst systemic is one of

1951
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:21,900
those code words that the left
likes

1952
01:59:21,930 --> 01:59:25,620
Adam Curry: I'm with you. I'm
with yet you know, right now

1953
01:59:25,620 --> 01:59:30,810
good. Just the whole was bugging
me. The reason that this was

1954
01:59:30,810 --> 01:59:33,690
different levels and the reason
why it sounds scripted is

1955
01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:38,010
because it is this is a report
delivered by stat news. They

1956
01:59:38,010 --> 01:59:41,340
might even purchase this airtime
for all we know

1957
01:59:41,580 --> 01:59:43,710
John C Dvorak: the way it looks
it's they might and that might

1958
01:59:43,710 --> 01:59:49,590
be the reason that P NPR was so
careless about well, you gave it

1959
01:59:49,590 --> 01:59:51,510
at this level is where we're
going to send it out.

1960
01:59:51,540 --> 01:59:54,300
Adam Curry: Yeah. FM, we're not
going to do any work. It's not

1961
01:59:54,300 --> 01:59:58,710
our report. Thank you, Jesse. So
I'm saying that

1962
01:59:59,430 --> 02:00:01,830
John C Dvorak: psychic And I bet
somebody in the control room

1963
02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:04,890
saying that exactly. Part three,

1964
02:00:05,310 --> 02:00:08,730
Unknown: gender affirming
hormones, those are things. So

1965
02:00:08,940 --> 02:00:12,600
someone who's a trans man might
want to take testosterone, so

1966
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:15,420
that someone's gender
presentation aligns more with

1967
02:00:15,420 --> 02:00:16,620
their gender identity.

1968
02:00:17,220 --> 02:00:20,730
Got it. And just to be clear to
the puberty.

1969
02:00:22,530 --> 02:00:25,440
Adam Curry: Got it. That's a
journalistic retort.

1970
02:00:26,730 --> 02:00:28,710
Unknown: someone's gender
presentation aligns more with

1971
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their gender identity.

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Got it. And just to be clear, to
the puberty blockers that you're

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02:00:35,130 --> 02:00:38,340
talking about, there are other
minors who may not be

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02:00:38,340 --> 02:00:42,660
transgender. Maybe they just hit
puberty very, very early, and

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02:00:42,690 --> 02:00:45,720
their doctor decides it's a good
idea for them to take it just to

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02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:48,570
stave it off for a period of
time until they hit a more

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02:00:48,570 --> 02:00:49,530
appropriate age.

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02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,190
John C Dvorak: So I thought that
doctor by leading the witness,

1979
02:00:56,190 --> 02:01:02,730
yeah. Which, which confirms that
it's a script. Yes. Yeah. I just

1980
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thought that this was like,
okay, so every kid if you can

1981
02:01:06,630 --> 02:01:10,770
remember back into sixth grade,
you know, kids start to mature

1982
02:01:10,770 --> 02:01:13,140
at different rates. And some
girls all of a sudden, you know,

1983
02:01:13,140 --> 02:01:17,010
the ones that have turned out to
be pretty popular, started, you

1984
02:01:17,010 --> 02:01:21,300
know, getting big up top earlier
than others. And now the girls

1985
02:01:21,570 --> 02:01:24,600
are jealous because you know,
they're flat run, they make a

1986
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:29,700
fuss about it. And, and but what
they mentioned in there, what

1987
02:01:29,700 --> 02:01:34,830
guy what maile doesn't want his
voice deepening,

1988
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:38,310
Adam Curry: to want to have a
squeaky voice, instead of a,

1989
02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:41,190
that depends. I mean, if you've
been told that you're really a

1990
02:01:41,190 --> 02:01:46,410
girl, then off you go. Let's
park for

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Unknown: for a period of time
until they hit a more

1992
02:01:49,230 --> 02:01:50,190
appropriate age.

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Yes, that's correct. So
cisgender children whose gender

1994
02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:57,090
identities align with their sex
assigned at birth? If they start

1995
02:01:57,090 --> 02:01:59,580
going through puberty too early,
they'll go on puberty blockers.

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02:01:59,970 --> 02:02:03,720
And when their doctor and then
decide it's the right time to be

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02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:05,670
going through puberty, they just
simply stopped taking that

1998
02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:06,780
medication. There's just

1999
02:02:06,810 --> 02:02:09,270
Adam Curry: a lot we know, this
is not this doesn't work that

2000
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:10,950
way. No,

2001
02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:15,330
John C Dvorak: no, it doesn't. I
just it's hard to believe. But

2002
02:02:15,330 --> 02:02:18,720
anyway, here we go. Part Five is
wrapping up. This is a longest

2003
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:21,450
clip. The next one is quite
short after that. Okay.

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02:02:21,660 --> 02:02:23,790
Adam Curry: Let's talk about the
language in the quotes. You

2005
02:02:23,790 --> 02:02:24,600
said, Okay.

2006
02:02:24,660 --> 02:02:28,380
Unknown: Okay. Let's talk about
the language in the bill to wean

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02:02:28,770 --> 02:02:32,340
transplant to use the
medication, I'm going to quote

2008
02:02:32,340 --> 02:02:35,760
you in a manner that is safe and
medically appropriate. And that

2009
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:39,270
minimizes the risk of
complications. But you spoke to

2010
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:43,110
a number of doctors about this
idea of weaning trans people off

2011
02:02:43,140 --> 02:02:45,510
medication that they need, what
did they tell you?

2012
02:02:45,810 --> 02:02:49,860
So I spoke to physicians and
researchers, experts, and they

2013
02:02:49,860 --> 02:02:51,660
all said the exact same thing,
which is that there's no

2014
02:02:51,660 --> 02:02:54,060
appropriate way to do this
because it's medically necessary

2015
02:02:54,060 --> 02:02:58,440
treatment, it is never medically
appropriate to take away gender

2016
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,450
affirming care that someone does
not want to stop.

2017
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:07,050
So it sounds like maybe what's
happening in the Texas

2018
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,720
Legislature is not based in
science.

2019
02:03:09,780 --> 02:03:13,140
That's right. So one physician,
her name is Meredith McNamara at

2020
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:15,990
Yale, she told me, these people
have no idea what they're

2021
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:20,220
legislating. This is not based
on science, there's not research

2022
02:03:20,220 --> 02:03:24,570
on how to wean trans kids off of
gender affirming care, because

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02:03:24,570 --> 02:03:27,600
it's most of the time, not
something that they want to do.

2024
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:30,690
It's not appropriate to take
away care that someone wants and

2025
02:03:30,690 --> 02:03:34,320
so there's no science. Yeah,
based on this legislation.

2026
02:03:34,590 --> 02:03:37,800
Okay. And yeah, you have a
number of doctors, in your

2027
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:41,550
article attesting to that, but
you do talk in your article

2028
02:03:41,580 --> 02:03:45,360
about this other grave
consequences for trans youth and

2029
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,090
that's their mental health,
they're, like, more likely to

2030
02:03:48,090 --> 02:03:51,840
consider suicide than their
peers already, but what are

2031
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,740
doctors saying about the impact
a law like this might have, you

2032
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:58,260
know, on the general mental
health Yeah,

2033
02:03:58,290 --> 02:04:00,810
Adam Curry: let me guess. Let me
get this is also debunked. Let

2034
02:04:00,810 --> 02:04:04,410
me guess. Well, you know, you we
you wean them off, and they're

2035
02:04:04,410 --> 02:04:06,570
gonna commit suicide, I'm just
guessing act a

2036
02:04:06,570 --> 02:04:09,900
Unknown: law like this might
have, you know, on their general

2037
02:04:09,900 --> 02:04:10,740
mental health.

2038
02:04:10,770 --> 02:04:13,920
Yeah. So there are no, as you
kind of mentioned, there are no

2039
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:16,410
known like physical
complications from stopping

2040
02:04:16,410 --> 02:04:19,350
gender affirming medication all
at once. The most serious

2041
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:22,920
consequence is for trans kids
mental health, and that is going

2042
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,430
to occur, no matter how slowly
people stop taking the

2043
02:04:26,430 --> 02:04:30,660
medication. But there is a lot
of data showing that delayed

2044
02:04:30,660 --> 02:04:34,140
access to this care negatively
impacts people's mental health.

2045
02:04:34,140 --> 02:04:39,270
So yeah, LGBTQ people, and
especially trans youth consider

2046
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:42,630
suicide at much higher rates
than their cisgender peers. And

2047
02:04:42,630 --> 02:04:45,510
so experts are worried that
there's going to be a surge of

2048
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:48,300
mental health crises when people
stop having access to this

2049
02:04:48,300 --> 02:04:50,100
medication. Wow.

2050
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:56,220
Adam Curry: Wow, this script is
unbelievable. Shame on NPR for

2051
02:04:56,280 --> 02:04:59,280
even calling this the other side
or did you call it the you know,

2052
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,530
John C Dvorak: I'm doing it
wasn't the other side. But this

2053
02:05:01,530 --> 02:05:05,370
is just a part. As I said, it
just shows up in the feed.

2054
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:07,920
Adam Curry: No, this is
purchased. This has slipped in

2055
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,980
there. This is a favor whatever
it is, it's from a bunch of

2056
02:05:10,980 --> 02:05:16,140
animal just native ad from
ghouls. And it's unscientific,

2057
02:05:16,140 --> 02:05:17,850
it's unscientific.

2058
02:05:18,420 --> 02:05:21,480
John C Dvorak: So now the last
thing is a 16 second clip, and

2059
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:24,240
this is the outro This is she's
just signing off and telling

2060
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:27,720
that one goodbye. And then she
slips in a little tidbit at the

2061
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:31,590
end is drive home what you just
brought up, and I've never heard

2062
02:05:31,590 --> 02:05:33,960
this on a report like this
before. I'm going to so I

2063
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:36,720
decided to play through the
outro I usually cut the outros.

2064
02:05:36,900 --> 02:05:39,090
But this is the outro and here
we go.

2065
02:05:39,180 --> 02:05:41,970
Unknown: Teresa Gaffney is a
reporter and Podcast Producer

2066
02:05:41,970 --> 02:05:46,200
for step news. Thank you so
much, Teresa. Thank you. And if

2067
02:05:46,230 --> 02:05:50,010
you or someone you know may be
considering suicide, or is in

2068
02:05:50,010 --> 02:05:55,260
crisis call or text 988 to reach
the suicide and crisis lifeline

2069
02:05:56,249 --> 02:06:01,319
Adam Curry: Podcast Producer
from stat. Okay, got it. Decided

2070
02:06:01,319 --> 02:06:04,979
over a dinner with Eric Schmidt
from Google. Yeah, that's a

2071
02:06:04,979 --> 02:06:11,999
quality dude right there. Well,
I to have something to share

2072
02:06:12,029 --> 02:06:17,549
boots on the ground for one of
our very brave parents. We've

2073
02:06:17,549 --> 02:06:21,299
established that there is a big
difference to how girls are

2074
02:06:21,329 --> 02:06:29,549
approached and coaxed into
transitioning to be a boy which

2075
02:06:29,549 --> 02:06:35,249
is 80% of the children who are
who transition versus boys. And

2076
02:06:35,249 --> 02:06:40,049
mom, Two episodes ago, we had
one of the what kowski sisters

2077
02:06:40,049 --> 02:06:43,889
formerly known as Oh, kowski
brothers, the saying, you know,

2078
02:06:43,889 --> 02:06:46,949
I and the what kowski brothers
are just not attractive men.

2079
02:06:46,949 --> 02:06:52,829
They're, you know, level Harvey
Weinstein unattractive? And the

2080
02:06:52,829 --> 02:06:57,869
thing is, Lisa, is that her
name, his name, whatever. said,

2081
02:06:57,869 --> 02:07:01,949
Well, you know, once I saw
transgender women in porn, well,

2082
02:07:01,979 --> 02:07:04,889
then all of a sudden I figured,
oh, maybe I could be loved. And

2083
02:07:04,889 --> 02:07:09,689
I thought that was a very
telling. Stay statement. And one

2084
02:07:09,689 --> 02:07:13,919
of our producers sends me this
note, which I want to share

2085
02:07:13,919 --> 02:07:16,829
because we've learned something
new about a particular type of

2086
02:07:16,829 --> 02:07:20,849
porn, which seems to be
responsible for young men trend

2087
02:07:20,879 --> 02:07:25,619
or wanting to transition to
become women. Over the last two

2088
02:07:25,619 --> 02:07:29,219
years, my 23 year old stepson
who I've known since he was two

2089
02:07:29,369 --> 02:07:32,819
has become a non functioning
member of society smokes weed

2090
02:07:32,819 --> 02:07:36,509
all day loses menial jobs. After
two months, started wearing nail

2091
02:07:36,509 --> 02:07:39,209
polish women's earrings and
effeminate shirts hanging out

2092
02:07:39,209 --> 02:07:43,289
with trans people. His ability
to reason logically is gone.

2093
02:07:43,499 --> 02:07:46,259
Nothing that he says makes
sense. Every time we talk, I

2094
02:07:46,259 --> 02:07:49,289
point out the things that do not
make sense to me. I point out

2095
02:07:49,289 --> 02:07:52,739
that he is a non serious person
and needs to dress like a normal

2096
02:07:52,739 --> 02:07:56,759
human to be successful. Sounds
like some of the Tick Tock clips

2097
02:07:56,759 --> 02:08:00,509
you play. It has destroyed our
relationship. My wife wants

2098
02:08:00,509 --> 02:08:03,809
everything to just be okay and
let him be him. It has done

2099
02:08:03,809 --> 02:08:08,309
damage to our relationship. He
called today. He never calls me.

2100
02:08:08,609 --> 02:08:12,269
He thanked me for challenging
him on his bullcrap and told me

2101
02:08:12,269 --> 02:08:16,019
that he is in treatment for a
porn addiction. He explained

2102
02:08:16,019 --> 02:08:20,309
that he is addicted to something
called sissy Hypno porn, short

2103
02:08:20,309 --> 02:08:25,379
for specification hypnotic
pornography. I'm sure you've

2104
02:08:25,379 --> 02:08:28,709
never heard of it. I'd never
heard of it. He explains that

2105
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:32,279
this is sweeping the nation and
every male in their 20s knows

2106
02:08:32,279 --> 02:08:36,089
about it and uses it. Hello
producers Why am I only hearing

2107
02:08:36,089 --> 02:08:39,929
this now? He explained that 99%
of the guys that are

2108
02:08:39,929 --> 02:08:42,959
transitioning or dress
effeminate, ly are addicted to

2109
02:08:42,959 --> 02:08:48,329
sissy Hypno porn. Wow. He was
about to pick up and move to

2110
02:08:48,329 --> 02:08:51,719
Boston where people were there
to help them create an only fans

2111
02:08:51,719 --> 02:08:55,979
and navigate making a living
basically as a sex worker. Thank

2112
02:08:56,009 --> 02:08:59,399
thankfully something snapped and
realized that this porn has

2113
02:08:59,399 --> 02:09:03,509
messed up his life. And then he
has I cannot play any any of

2114
02:09:03,509 --> 02:09:08,159
this audio. But luckily our
producer used to be a

2115
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:11,849
Hypnotherapist. He studied
persuasion manipulation, covert

2116
02:09:11,849 --> 02:09:15,749
persuasion. This is seriously
effed up crap manipulation using

2117
02:09:15,749 --> 02:09:19,199
our most instinctive drives at
the most vulnerable time and

2118
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:22,259
young adults life where the
result is separation of youth

2119
02:09:22,259 --> 02:09:24,629
from their existing and future
familiar bonds. This is

2120
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:27,959
purposeful destruction of life
for the purpose of destroying

2121
02:09:27,989 --> 02:09:32,639
our culture. And he says this is
what it is it is certification

2122
02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:40,379
of men in sexual and porn with
an there's like it's remix now.

2123
02:09:41,249 --> 02:09:45,659
With voiceover saying You are
the girl you are the girl you

2124
02:09:45,659 --> 02:09:48,959
are the Go girl. And it says it
over and over when a man is

2125
02:09:48,959 --> 02:09:52,829
watching straight porn video.
That invert invokes first person

2126
02:09:52,829 --> 02:09:57,569
visual and kinesthetic
experience as a woman, which is

2127
02:09:57,569 --> 02:10:00,449
then anchored by climax. Next
time you climax. You Think about

2128
02:10:00,449 --> 02:10:05,399
being a woman. There's
countdowns, and it's ASMR. He

2129
02:10:05,399 --> 02:10:09,659
says this is very as a
hypnotherapist performer

2130
02:10:09,659 --> 02:10:13,649
hypnotherapy says this is very
very dangerous and he says it's

2131
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:17,549
all over tick tock tick things
is a very important topic and we

2132
02:10:17,549 --> 02:10:19,619
need to be on the lookout for
now there's some links in the

2133
02:10:19,619 --> 02:10:24,119
show notes. So, you know,
explore at your own risk when

2134
02:10:24,119 --> 02:10:24,929
other tests because

2135
02:10:24,930 --> 02:10:27,930
John C Dvorak: you're gonna be
hypnotized. One other thing not

2136
02:10:27,930 --> 02:10:31,740
know, as Biden was say, no joke.
No, no, there's

2137
02:10:31,740 --> 02:10:34,860
Adam Curry: a category forced
feminization. This has been a

2138
02:10:34,860 --> 02:10:38,160
porn category for a long time.
But now they're re mixing this

2139
02:10:38,340 --> 02:10:42,510
with these voiceovers. So true
hypnotist, hypnotizing him

2140
02:10:42,510 --> 02:10:46,320
digitization. And, you know, I
think it's pretty well known.

2141
02:10:46,350 --> 02:10:48,690
And we've discussed this
throughout the years that

2142
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:53,640
today's young men have a very
distorted view of sex because of

2143
02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:57,000
porn. And they're very rough
with girls and with young women.

2144
02:10:57,000 --> 02:11:01,530
And we've seen this this take
place over quite a number of

2145
02:11:01,530 --> 02:11:03,690
years, we've had a lot of
producers talk about it.

2146
02:11:03,690 --> 02:11:05,970
John C Dvorak: So we had, we
actually invited people to give

2147
02:11:05,970 --> 02:11:08,790
us stories. And we got to the
point where we couldn't read

2148
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:11,130
these stories. One other

2149
02:11:11,130 --> 02:11:14,760
Adam Curry: thing, his therapist
has convinced him that we his

2150
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:19,740
parents are his abusers. We
abuse him by not supporting who

2151
02:11:19,740 --> 02:11:24,000
he is. So until today, he
claimed that he was unsafe and

2152
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:27,690
felt very threatened in our very
presence, a direct result of his

2153
02:11:27,690 --> 02:11:32,700
therapist, of course, he was an
absolute hack. So this is an is

2154
02:11:32,730 --> 02:11:36,120
you know, this is great
information for, for our

2155
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:41,310
producers out there. Keep an eye
on your kids, people. Keep an

2156
02:11:41,310 --> 02:11:42,120
eye on your kids.

2157
02:11:42,210 --> 02:11:46,230
John C Dvorak: This is terrible.
It is. But we have a series of

2158
02:11:46,740 --> 02:11:52,980
phony baloney reports on NPR we
have a big money supporting all

2159
02:11:52,980 --> 02:11:57,000
this. We have therapists who are
out of control and probably

2160
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:00,990
partly responsible for the whole
situation, we're also then we

2161
02:12:00,990 --> 02:12:04,920
have butchers that that are
posing as an are licensed as

2162
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:05,940
doctors.

2163
02:12:07,650 --> 02:12:10,830
Adam Curry: And to be fair, but
we know from art therapists who

2164
02:12:10,830 --> 02:12:14,130
are brave as well, and that they
have no other option. This is

2165
02:12:14,130 --> 02:12:20,610
what they are told to recommend
by the American Association of

2166
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:24,360
the American Association of
psychology I think it is and by

2167
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:27,930
the American Association of
Pediatrics, and if they don't,

2168
02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:30,210
if they don't comply, and
there's a complaint Yeah, then

2169
02:12:30,210 --> 02:12:33,450
get your license, get your
license pulled your license to

2170
02:12:33,450 --> 02:12:38,550
do anything but obey and and
this, the butchers as you call

2171
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:42,810
them. Look they used 510 years
ago, they did boob jobs for

2172
02:12:42,810 --> 02:12:48,630
girls and Butl lifts and
whatever. Vaginal VAT, vaginal

2173
02:12:48,630 --> 02:12:53,340
plasti I'm sure that's the right
word. Because Oh, it doesn't

2174
02:12:53,340 --> 02:12:58,800
look like the porn movies. Poof
thanks, internet.

2175
02:13:01,350 --> 02:13:03,330
John C Dvorak: Belemnite blah
blaming the internet for this?

2176
02:13:05,310 --> 02:13:12,300
Adam Curry: Ah, so that's
disturbing. And I and I've been

2177
02:13:12,300 --> 02:13:15,360
I think I'm pretty hip to stuff.
I'd never heard of this.

2178
02:13:16,500 --> 02:13:18,600
John C Dvorak: Now Yeah. So your
hip again.

2179
02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:20,640
Adam Curry: God, I'm hip again.

2180
02:13:21,060 --> 02:13:24,570
John C Dvorak: I shouldn't run
till I got a report from China's

2181
02:13:24,570 --> 02:13:28,380
China's over here. You know,
trying to capture some of their

2182
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:31,800
citizens. They could just walk
waltz into the country, I think

2183
02:13:31,890 --> 02:13:34,980
Oh, yeah. Especially pharmacists
gonna take over the place. Yeah,

2184
02:13:35,010 --> 02:13:36,900
Adam Curry: you're you're
pivoting away from the hips to

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02:13:36,900 --> 02:13:38,310
see Hypno porn. I take it.

2186
02:13:39,210 --> 02:13:40,560
John C Dvorak: Yeah, definitely.

2187
02:13:40,710 --> 02:13:43,290
Unknown: opening arguments are
being heard at the Brooklyn

2188
02:13:43,290 --> 02:13:47,190
federal courthouse. Three men
are accused of acting as illegal

2189
02:13:47,190 --> 02:13:50,430
agents for China. They're
accused of pressuring a New

2190
02:13:50,430 --> 02:13:54,300
Jersey resident to return to
China to face embezzlement and

2191
02:13:54,300 --> 02:13:58,230
bribery charges. All three men
pleaded not guilty. The names of

2192
02:13:58,230 --> 02:14:00,990
the defendants are Jong so Yang
Joo young

2193
02:14:01,020 --> 02:14:04,620
thumb ting Wong, way too low.

2194
02:14:06,420 --> 02:14:08,310
And bang dang owl

2195
02:14:08,460 --> 02:14:11,880
and Michael McMahon, a former
New York city policeman who was

2196
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:15,150
working as a private
investigator. Prosecutors say

2197
02:14:15,150 --> 02:14:19,530
Zhu and others in 2016 hired
McMahon to watch and investigate

2198
02:14:19,530 --> 02:14:22,950
shojin, a former Chinese
Communist Party official who has

2199
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:27,030
lived in the United States since
2010. Prosecutors said Jiang in

2200
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:30,810
2018 left a handwritten note on
shoes door which read in

2201
02:14:30,810 --> 02:14:34,470
Chinese. If you are willing to
go back to the mainland and

2202
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:37,620
spend 10 years in prison, your
wife and children will be

2203
02:14:37,620 --> 02:14:41,700
alright. In opening statements
before a federal jury. McMahon's

2204
02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:45,060
lawyers said his client was told
he was working for a Chinese

2205
02:14:45,060 --> 02:14:48,750
construction company trying to
recover assets and he alerted

2206
02:14:48,750 --> 02:14:52,500
local law enforcement of his
activities. The lawyer said if

2207
02:14:52,500 --> 02:14:55,740
he's secretly acting on behalf
of the Chinese government, is he

2208
02:14:55,740 --> 02:14:59,970
going to call the cops and tell
them he had no idea? None that

2209
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,230
He was working for China.

2210
02:15:01,740 --> 02:15:03,840
Adam Curry: Now what do you what
do you think this is about? What

2211
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:05,070
do you think is going on here?

2212
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:07,410
John C Dvorak: The whole country
is infiltrated with these

2213
02:15:07,410 --> 02:15:11,700
Chinese spies that are doing
everything they can to keep

2214
02:15:12,870 --> 02:15:15,600
anyone that has any familiarity
with the Chinese Communist

2215
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:19,980
Party. Get it? Because they're
shutting dissidents, yeah, just

2216
02:15:19,980 --> 02:15:23,250
get get him back to China's
whatever in any way you can. And

2217
02:15:23,250 --> 02:15:27,030
they're intimidating people.
It's totally illegal. We're but

2218
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:30,240
we're spending as much time
we're spending. We are starting

2219
02:15:30,240 --> 02:15:32,520
to spend time on this. But now
that you bring up these things

2220
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:36,720
about these, these therapists
who are breaking families up and

2221
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:39,150
doing other crazy things, I
think we should be looking at

2222
02:15:39,150 --> 02:15:42,630
that too. There's a lot of
activity in this country that is

2223
02:15:43,140 --> 02:15:46,380
not being monitored. Well.

2224
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:51,630
Adam Curry: It's interesting you
say that was this? There was

2225
02:15:51,630 --> 02:15:57,360
something Yeah, here it is. The
Council on Foreign Relations

2226
02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:03,480
released a report on fentanyl
and the US opioid epidemic. Now

2227
02:16:03,480 --> 02:16:06,840
it's console formulations so
take it you know take take it

2228
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:12,270
for the truth you want to wear
our heroin and fentanyl coming

2229
02:16:12,270 --> 02:16:14,520
from most of the heroin coming
into the United States is

2230
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:17,700
cultivated in Poppy farms in
Mexico with several major

2231
02:16:17,700 --> 02:16:21,270
cartels controlling production,
operating distribution hubs in

2232
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:24,990
major major US cities. Now we
were talking about China being

2233
02:16:25,020 --> 02:16:28,110
the to blame here. Mexican
cartels typically smuggle

2234
02:16:28,110 --> 02:16:30,600
narcotics across the
southwestern US border in

2235
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:33,570
commercial and passenger
vehicles moving through ports of

2236
02:16:33,570 --> 02:16:36,630
entry or via underground
tunnels. Large quantities of

2237
02:16:36,630 --> 02:16:38,820
heroin are also produced in
South American countries,

2238
02:16:38,820 --> 02:16:42,180
particularly Columbia travel to
United States by air and sea.

2239
02:16:42,690 --> 02:16:45,660
Most fentanyl in the United
States is also smuggled across

2240
02:16:45,660 --> 02:16:49,350
the southern border. US
officials say fentanyl coming

2241
02:16:49,350 --> 02:16:53,040
directly from China. Previously,
the dominant source has

2242
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:57,300
significantly decreased since
2019. But China is still the

2243
02:16:57,300 --> 02:17:00,030
main manufacturer of the
ingredients needed to create

2244
02:17:00,030 --> 02:17:03,510
fentanyl. Drug cartels have been
the leaders in fentanyl

2245
02:17:03,510 --> 02:17:06,750
production. larger organizations
organizations such as the

2246
02:17:06,750 --> 02:17:10,620
Sinaloa Cartel and that Jalisco
new generation cartel have their

2247
02:17:10,620 --> 02:17:14,670
own distribution networks. Some
also depend on American citizens

2248
02:17:14,670 --> 02:17:18,360
to smuggle fentanyl across the
border. Between 2017 and

2249
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:23,760
2120 21 86% of fentanyl
traffickers were American

2250
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:29,250
citizens. Well, hello. That's
interesting.

2251
02:17:29,670 --> 02:17:32,160
John C Dvorak: But are they
American citizens of Mexican

2252
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:32,760
descent

2253
02:17:32,789 --> 02:17:35,609
Adam Curry: that was of course
not mentioned. Well, that

2254
02:17:35,610 --> 02:17:36,660
John C Dvorak: should be
mentioned. Now. Let's

2255
02:17:36,660 --> 02:17:38,880
Adam Curry: stick with China for
a moment. South Korea

2256
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:41,850
Unknown: reports seizing 1000s
of smuggled drug capsules

2257
02:17:41,850 --> 02:17:45,780
containing an unusual added
ingredient, the powdered flesh

2258
02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:49,500
from dead babies. Some people
believe they can cure disease.

2259
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:53,160
The Korea custom services they
were made in northeastern China

2260
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:56,370
from babies whose bodies were
chopped into small pieces and

2261
02:17:56,370 --> 02:17:59,880
dried on stoves before being
turned into powder. But they

2262
02:17:59,880 --> 02:18:03,090
wouldn't say where they believe
the babies came from war exactly

2263
02:18:03,090 --> 02:18:06,780
who made the capsules, citing
possible diplomatic friction

2264
02:18:06,780 --> 02:18:10,200
with Beijing. The contents
though were identified by

2265
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:11,640
scientific testing

2266
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:15,659
enabled when we analyzed it the
powdered materials sequences

2267
02:18:15,659 --> 02:18:20,069
better than a 99.7% match with a
human DNA sequence.

2268
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:23,940
No one's been reported ill from
ingesting them but scientists

2269
02:18:23,940 --> 02:18:27,780
Shinwell gi warns they have the
potential to be dangerous, but

2270
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:32,070
we also see super bacteria and
other germs and viruses harmful

2271
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:33,780
to a person if consumed.

2272
02:18:34,049 --> 02:18:36,689
Some of the capsules were
carried in luggage, others were

2273
02:18:36,689 --> 02:18:40,349
sent by international mail. The
smugglers told customs officials

2274
02:18:40,349 --> 02:18:43,289
they believed the capsules were
ordinary stamina boosters and

2275
02:18:43,289 --> 02:18:46,769
didn't know the manufacturing
process. One official said no

2276
02:18:46,769 --> 02:18:49,499
one's been punished. But a
customs clearance director at

2277
02:18:49,499 --> 02:18:52,949
Incheon Airport warned consumers
should be careful about health

2278
02:18:52,949 --> 02:18:55,709
food supplements where the
ingredients aren't clearly

2279
02:18:55,709 --> 02:18:56,279
marked.

2280
02:18:57,240 --> 02:18:59,940
Adam Curry: Man that puts a new
bent on baby puck. Yeah, give

2281
02:18:59,940 --> 02:19:01,650
John C Dvorak: you a clip for
the day for that thing.

2282
02:19:04,889 --> 02:19:07,469
Adam Curry: This is baby powder.
What are we talking about here?

2283
02:19:07,469 --> 02:19:19,589
Viva lievable. Meanwhile, state
visit big visit. Good old Elon

2284
02:19:19,619 --> 02:19:22,319
hanging out in Beijing. Mr.
Musk.

2285
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:24,750
Unknown: What's the goal of your
China trip

2286
02:19:24,930 --> 02:19:27,900
surrounded by bodyguards
strutting through a Beijing

2287
02:19:27,900 --> 02:19:32,340
hotel lobby. Elon Musk's first
visit to China in three years is

2288
02:19:32,370 --> 02:19:36,750
an important one for Beijing and
for the auto social media and

2289
02:19:36,750 --> 02:19:40,830
space executive. Praising the
vitality of Chinese development

2290
02:19:40,860 --> 02:19:43,800
Musk met with the Minister of
Commerce, the Minister of

2291
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:46,920
Industry and the foreign
minister to discuss Tesla's

2292
02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:51,030
place in China and the future of
its technology there. For last

2293
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:54,750
year China manufactured half of
the company's global output some

2294
02:19:54,750 --> 02:19:59,610
700,000 model Y and model three
sales of the cars were also

2295
02:19:59,610 --> 02:20:03,510
signif begins with China being
the model wise biggest market.

2296
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:06,840
slashing prices has also helped
with the increasingly

2297
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:10,530
competitive industry in China.
There's also a geopolitical

2298
02:20:10,530 --> 02:20:13,950
aspect to the trip. And it's
tensions between China and the

2299
02:20:13,950 --> 02:20:17,760
US. Musk has regularly struck a
sympathetic tone towards

2300
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:21,540
Beijing, saying according to the
Foreign Ministry, that the US

2301
02:20:21,540 --> 02:20:24,540
and China are like conjoined
twins that should not be

2302
02:20:24,540 --> 02:20:25,740
decoupled from

2303
02:20:26,700 --> 02:20:29,850
China always welcome business
leaders from all countries,

2304
02:20:29,850 --> 02:20:32,880
including Elon Musk to visit
China and gain a better

2305
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:36,750
understanding and promote mutual
cooperation. Attending.

2306
02:20:37,530 --> 02:20:40,350
The visit comes as there are
rising calls in the US and in

2307
02:20:40,350 --> 02:20:44,850
Europe for reducing dependency
on Chinese supply chains. And as

2308
02:20:44,850 --> 02:20:48,390
foreign companies in China are
increasingly voicing concerns

2309
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:50,340
after a series of corporate

2310
02:20:50,370 --> 02:20:54,930
Adam Curry: rates. Yeah, me long
just no problem for Ilan do any

2311
02:20:54,930 --> 02:20:59,190
kind of business he wants is all
good. And while you know we look

2312
02:20:59,190 --> 02:21:03,300
at China, as you know, the
source of fentanyl and the

2313
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:06,030
problems we have in the United
States. And this all of course

2314
02:21:06,030 --> 02:21:11,100
started with with opioids being
overprescribed. There's a lot of

2315
02:21:11,100 --> 02:21:14,160
good documentaries about it. And
NBC follows up

2316
02:21:14,190 --> 02:21:16,290
Unknown: now to a landmark
ruling stemming from the

2317
02:21:16,290 --> 02:21:18,780
nation's opioid crisis. A
federal appeals court has

2318
02:21:18,780 --> 02:21:22,560
cleared the way for a bankruptcy
deal that would shield members

2319
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:26,700
of the Sackler family owners of
Purdue pharma, from future civil

2320
02:21:26,700 --> 02:21:29,880
lawsuits, the Sackler and
billions of dollars from the

2321
02:21:29,880 --> 02:21:33,420
sale of OxyContin and other
opioid painkillers. As part of

2322
02:21:33,420 --> 02:21:37,290
the settlement, they would pay
as much as $6 billion and give

2323
02:21:37,290 --> 02:21:39,870
up control of Purdue, the
settlement must still be

2324
02:21:39,870 --> 02:21:41,670
approved by a bankruptcy court
judge

2325
02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:43,770
Adam Curry: and they're safe,
safe, everybody. Of course,

2326
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:47,220
everyone focused on the Sackler
family with meanwhile, Johnson

2327
02:21:47,220 --> 02:21:51,240
and Johnson, they think they had
to tweak pay $23 billion in

2328
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:55,740
fines for their participation in
it. Along with I want to say

2329
02:21:55,740 --> 02:21:59,760
Walgreens, I want to be careful
there. You know, for

2330
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:02,550
distribution. I mean, the whole
thing is just being covered up.

2331
02:22:04,410 --> 02:22:07,680
But don't worry Dr. Janice here
with another virus to be afraid

2332
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:08,130
of back where

2333
02:22:08,130 --> 02:22:11,520
Unknown: there's a cover story,
a respiratory virus called hMPV.

2334
02:22:11,940 --> 02:22:14,520
The search term has over 10
million views on tick tock as

2335
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:17,670
many people wondering what
exactly it is. Chief Medical

2336
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:18,150
Corps Don't

2337
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:23,850
Adam Curry: you love that as
some kind of justification? Hey,

2338
02:22:23,850 --> 02:22:27,000
you know, there's over 10
million searches on Tik Tok for

2339
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:30,870
hMPV Oh, that must mean
something's really going on

2340
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:32,730
there or it's being spiked.

2341
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:35,070
Unknown: The search term has
over 10 million views on tick

2342
02:22:35,070 --> 02:22:38,250
tock as many people wondering
what exactly it is. CHIEF

2343
02:22:38,250 --> 02:22:40,650
MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT Dr. Jenn
Ashton is here to explain it

2344
02:22:40,650 --> 02:22:41,520
presents like a cold

2345
02:22:41,730 --> 02:22:44,730
at pretty much upper respiratory
infection most of the time it

2346
02:22:44,730 --> 02:22:47,910
can hit the lower respiratory
tract. It's not new, it was

2347
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:52,140
first identified over 20 years
ago. But CDC is tracking a

2348
02:22:52,170 --> 02:22:55,740
higher number of cases before
the pandemic even started. This

2349
02:22:55,740 --> 02:23:00,780
is the same virus as RSV,
measles, mumps symptoms just

2350
02:23:00,780 --> 02:23:04,320
like you said, George kind of a
bad cold nasal congestion cough,

2351
02:23:04,320 --> 02:23:07,110
you can see a fever,
occasionally shortness of

2352
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:10,650
breath, it can progress to
bronchitis or in some cases

2353
02:23:10,650 --> 02:23:14,310
pneumonia. But this is a perfect
example. We've been so COVID,

2354
02:23:14,340 --> 02:23:18,960
RSV, influenza focused, we have
to be able to walk and chew gum

2355
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:21,510
at the same time. And that's not
the only virus out there. This

2356
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:22,620
is just another example.

2357
02:23:22,650 --> 02:23:25,590
Adam Curry: Oh, just another
example is many viruses Be very

2358
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:29,130
afraid. Do we have a treatment
for Dr. June and it is a

2359
02:23:29,130 --> 02:23:30,750
Unknown: virus? So is it
treatable?

2360
02:23:30,869 --> 02:23:35,369
So no vaccine right now? No
antiviral treatment, per se, we

2361
02:23:35,369 --> 02:23:39,809
normally just follow this. And
treat conservatively based on

2362
02:23:39,809 --> 02:23:42,419
symptoms, most people recover on
their own. So treatment is what

2363
02:23:42,419 --> 02:23:46,169
we call you know, most of the
time, people will get better

2364
02:23:46,169 --> 02:23:50,759
within five or seven days, how
you prevent it. People are bored

2365
02:23:50,789 --> 02:23:53,729
and tired of hearing about this,
but it bears repeating hand

2366
02:23:53,729 --> 02:23:56,729
hygiene, staying away from
others if you're sick, covering

2367
02:23:56,729 --> 02:23:59,789
your mouth when you cough or
sneeze, the basics,

2368
02:23:59,970 --> 02:24:02,340
Adam Curry: but really kill me
and the virus spiked this

2369
02:24:02,340 --> 02:24:03,960
spring. How serious could it
get?

2370
02:24:04,529 --> 02:24:06,629
Unknown: Well, I mean, we have
to track these things. And I

2371
02:24:06,629 --> 02:24:09,689
know people have that, you know
pandemic fatigue and

2372
02:24:09,689 --> 02:24:12,779
psychological fatigue and they
don't like hearing about it. So

2373
02:24:12,869 --> 02:24:16,499
we don't know viruses mutate for
a living, it can always change

2374
02:24:16,529 --> 02:24:18,929
Adam Curry: drum Did you know
that viruses mutate for a

2375
02:24:18,929 --> 02:24:19,529
living?

2376
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:21,420
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they get
more money that way.

2377
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:24,840
Unknown: No viruses mutate for a
living, it can always change.

2378
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:28,260
Our susceptibility can change.
We have to remember, it's how we

2379
02:24:28,260 --> 02:24:31,500
behave, how the virus behaves
and how we behave together. Oh,

2380
02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:35,670
it's our fault. And they started
to see an increased 36% increase

2381
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:40,710
in cases even before the
pandemic started so time this

2382
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:44,460
season by this time, but people
just need to keep this on their

2383
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:44,910
radar.

2384
02:24:44,940 --> 02:24:48,180
Adam Curry: Yes, keep it on your
radar. Yeah, I think NPR got a

2385
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:51,780
better buy. They were able to
take care of this in 18 seconds

2386
02:24:51,780 --> 02:24:53,400
with with the real virus.

2387
02:24:53,430 --> 02:24:56,730
Unknown: FDA has approved a
second vaccine that protects

2388
02:24:56,760 --> 02:25:00,780
adults 60 And over from the
common respiratory worry virus

2389
02:25:00,810 --> 02:25:05,640
RSV, this one is made by Pfizer.
RSV usually causes a cold for

2390
02:25:05,640 --> 02:25:08,580
most people, but for older
people in babies it can cause

2391
02:25:08,580 --> 02:25:11,070
serious or life threatening
complications.

2392
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:13,680
Adam Curry: It's interesting
because I've never really heard

2393
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:15,810
of RSV being a problem for old
people.

2394
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:18,750
John C Dvorak: I never heard of
any of these things before this

2395
02:25:18,750 --> 02:25:19,260
Wilson

2396
02:25:19,290 --> 02:25:22,050
Adam Curry: Well Tina said that
when her kids were young that

2397
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:25,680
their RSV was known it was
around and she was of course

2398
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:28,320
careful. So for

2399
02:25:28,619 --> 02:25:29,639
Unknown: mom, no,

2400
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:31,410
John C Dvorak: they started
well, they start things

2401
02:25:31,410 --> 02:25:35,190
differently at different ages.
Yeah, yeah. What sets you on a

2402
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:39,900
bullshit clips. Let's go to the
climate WTF clip the climate

2403
02:25:39,900 --> 02:25:41,760
Clip of the Day. Oh, here

2404
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:42,480
Adam Curry: we go.

2405
02:25:42,510 --> 02:25:45,570
Unknown: According to new study,
Earth is in the danger zone when

2406
02:25:45,570 --> 02:25:48,690
it comes to seminar of eight
specific ecological metrics,

2407
02:25:48,690 --> 02:25:52,500
both in terms of overheating and
losing its natural areas. And as

2408
02:25:52,500 --> 02:25:55,680
well as the well being of people
living on the planet. study

2409
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:58,320
looked at not just specific
guardrails in terms of the

2410
02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:01,740
planetary ecosystem, but also
measures of justice in terms of

2411
02:26:01,740 --> 02:26:04,620
preventing harm for groups of
people. So he looked at climate

2412
02:26:04,620 --> 02:26:07,350
air pollution, phosphorus and
nitrogen pollution, groundwater

2413
02:26:07,350 --> 02:26:09,660
supplies, and a number of other
factors.

2414
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:12,750
Adam Curry: Ah, I heard nitrogen
in there that's that's new and

2415
02:26:12,750 --> 02:26:13,260
now that it was

2416
02:26:14,850 --> 02:26:15,720
John C Dvorak: mentioned, of
course,

2417
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:20,580
Adam Curry: justice. Yeah. Did
you see the the Swedish dance

2418
02:26:20,580 --> 02:26:23,700
show where the climate activists
showed up? You must have seen

2419
02:26:23,700 --> 02:26:28,050
this video. Yeah, I did. Where
the camera jib just slams the

2420
02:26:28,050 --> 02:26:31,710
guy right in the face. Do you
think that was a that was

2421
02:26:31,710 --> 02:26:33,090
purpose on purpose?

2422
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:35,280
John C Dvorak: Well, have you
ever I don't know if you've ever

2423
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:40,080
played with it one of those
jibs. Sure. We had one at Tech

2424
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:43,800
TV and you get everyone got to
play with it. Once you get the

2425
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:46,800
hang of using that thing, yeah,
it was on purpose.

2426
02:26:48,450 --> 02:26:52,440
Adam Curry: That was harsh. And
I'm sure these kids are like,

2427
02:26:52,440 --> 02:26:56,070
Hey, man, that's not how it's
supposed to go. You're not

2428
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:58,620
supposed to bop me in the face
with that.

2429
02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:03,120
John C Dvorak: Um, so we got a
letter from our Veritas guy.

2430
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:07,620
Adam Curry: Ah, yes. The former
executive director of Project

2431
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:09,420
Protoss. Yeah, sir.

2432
02:27:10,530 --> 02:27:13,530
John C Dvorak: Here is Strack
sir Strack. So we have a report

2433
02:27:13,530 --> 02:27:19,080
that came in we after recent
report does the Veritas update

2434
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:21,900
you might want to play Oh,
second

2435
02:27:21,900 --> 02:27:25,800
Adam Curry: Veritas update. Yes,
I see it here. We're looking now

2436
02:27:25,800 --> 02:27:29,220
Unknown: at Project Veritas,
which is now openly at odds with

2437
02:27:29,220 --> 02:27:33,120
its founder and former chairman
James O'Keefe. The organization

2438
02:27:33,150 --> 02:27:37,830
filed a lawsuit against O'Keefe
today. Project Veritas filed the

2439
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:40,740
complaint in the US District
Court for the Southern District

2440
02:27:40,740 --> 02:27:44,100
of New York. It accuses O'Keefe
have several wrongdoings

2441
02:27:44,100 --> 02:27:48,600
including breach of fiduciary
duty, financial misconduct and

2442
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:52,620
workplace abuse. The board of
directors at Project Veritas

2443
02:27:52,620 --> 02:27:56,610
considered removing okay from
the board in February and placed

2444
02:27:56,610 --> 02:28:00,270
him on paid leave over alleged
management issues. He was

2445
02:28:00,270 --> 02:28:04,800
terminated on May 15. O'Keefe
founded Project Veritas around

2446
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:08,040
2010, as an undercover
journalism group to expose

2447
02:28:08,040 --> 02:28:11,820
corruption by government
officials and corporations. He

2448
02:28:11,820 --> 02:28:15,570
launched a new organization in
March called the O'Keefe Media

2449
02:28:15,570 --> 02:28:16,020
Group.

2450
02:28:17,880 --> 02:28:21,900
Adam Curry: Yeah, it looks like
now what did our guy say? He

2451
02:28:21,900 --> 02:28:24,180
said, I didn't agree with the
stuff that we're doing, I think

2452
02:28:24,180 --> 02:28:25,050
something like that.

2453
02:28:26,760 --> 02:28:29,040
John C Dvorak: I can't remember
exactly, but he'd been just

2454
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:30,420
bailed out. He bailed out

2455
02:28:31,350 --> 02:28:36,480
Adam Curry: a bit, you know, it
was probably this probably. So

2456
02:28:36,480 --> 02:28:39,780
they're suing them over, you
know, misappropriation of funds

2457
02:28:39,810 --> 02:28:46,500
and approaching donors. I mean,
no one's gonna win this. This

2458
02:28:46,500 --> 02:28:49,950
No, this is not a winnable case.
Not win, but it'll just drag

2459
02:28:49,950 --> 02:28:53,730
everybody down to drain
everybody's bank account. Your

2460
02:28:53,730 --> 02:28:57,060
lawyers will win. Yeah, y'all
should talk and just sorted out

2461
02:28:57,060 --> 02:28:58,110
this. No one's going

2462
02:28:58,710 --> 02:29:02,340
John C Dvorak: to be I did. Our
guy has not said anything about

2463
02:29:02,340 --> 02:29:05,160
this, but and he may not know
because he wasn't there that

2464
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:08,580
long. But there has to be a
personality conflict within the

2465
02:29:08,580 --> 02:29:11,550
company. A major within the
board. I think within Yeah,

2466
02:29:11,550 --> 02:29:15,060
within the board. Somebody hates
this guy. Yeah. And he hates

2467
02:29:15,060 --> 02:29:19,170
them. Yes. And it's usually just
that simple.

2468
02:29:19,980 --> 02:29:24,690
Adam Curry: Yes. Sad. Sad to see
that happen. It happened said

2469
02:29:25,950 --> 02:29:28,080
there's a couple of Russian
things in the news.

2470
02:29:29,070 --> 02:29:31,740
John C Dvorak: Your buddy I have
one Russian story All right,

2471
02:29:31,740 --> 02:29:34,140
let's let's roll with your
Russia just as a good does it

2472
02:29:34,140 --> 02:29:37,260
feel good story? I'm not sure we
should play it at the beginning.

2473
02:29:37,650 --> 02:29:42,060
Okay. Was this is the beluga spy
whale.

2474
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:44,400
Adam Curry: I love this story.
I'm glad you got this

2475
02:29:44,610 --> 02:29:48,480
Unknown: news now of an alleged
Russian spy turning up in

2476
02:29:48,480 --> 02:29:53,460
Sweden. He's white, about 15
feet tall weighs around a ton

2477
02:29:53,460 --> 02:29:58,050
and is an excellent swimmer, a
beluga whale that has impure as

2478
02:29:58,050 --> 02:30:01,830
Rob Schmitz reports locals are
Vince the giant mammal has been

2479
02:30:01,830 --> 02:30:03,540
trained by the Russian military.

2480
02:30:03,930 --> 02:30:07,260
The beluga whale that locals
have named Valdimir VOL being

2481
02:30:07,260 --> 02:30:10,710
Norwegian for whale first showed
up four years ago along the

2482
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:13,830
Norwegian coast as marine
biologist Sebastian strand.

2483
02:30:15,089 --> 02:30:19,529
peculiar thing with the arrived
with a hardest strapped to him,

2484
02:30:19,649 --> 02:30:22,679
which red property of St.
Petersburg, not, of course,

2485
02:30:22,739 --> 02:30:25,709
sparked a bunch of theories on
his origins,

2486
02:30:25,830 --> 02:30:29,070
the most prominent one Valdimir
was trained by Russia's military

2487
02:30:29,070 --> 02:30:30,540
for intelligence purposes

2488
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:34,860
is without a doubt, trained
because he responds to or used

2489
02:30:34,980 --> 02:30:39,150
to at least respond to common
Russian training signals. And

2490
02:30:39,180 --> 02:30:43,590
several of the behaviors that we
see him repeat even to this day

2491
02:30:43,620 --> 02:30:47,580
are things that we know that the
military whale programs also

2492
02:30:47,580 --> 02:30:48,750
train the whales to do.

2493
02:30:48,929 --> 02:30:52,439
Russia has neither confirmed nor
denied Valdimir is one of their

2494
02:30:52,439 --> 02:30:55,529
own, but both the US and Russia
are known to have military

2495
02:30:55,529 --> 02:30:59,099
training programs incorporating
aquatic mammals. Stratton works

2496
02:30:59,099 --> 02:31:02,129
for the nonprofit one whale
devoted to caring for volume one

2497
02:31:02,129 --> 02:31:04,679
whale in fact, when we reached
him, he was on a boat following

2498
02:31:04,679 --> 02:31:08,729
the whale probably start to
second strand and his colleagues

2499
02:31:08,729 --> 02:31:11,099
are worried about Valdimir
because it's clear he's been

2500
02:31:11,099 --> 02:31:14,639
trained by humans and has a hard
time finding food by himself. So

2501
02:31:14,639 --> 02:31:19,169
he's constantly seeking human
interaction. There are viral

2502
02:31:19,169 --> 02:31:22,289
videos of Valdimir picking up a
camera dropped by a kayaker and

2503
02:31:22,289 --> 02:31:25,379
other picking up a woman's
phone. Strand thanks Valdimir is

2504
02:31:25,379 --> 02:31:25,919
lonely.

2505
02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:29,100
A big part of our goal is also
reuniting him with others.

2506
02:31:30,360 --> 02:31:32,760
And if he ever does, he can
leave his fine career for the

2507
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:34,080
humans behind him.

2508
02:31:34,470 --> 02:31:36,660
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, so
they're just making up the spy

2509
02:31:36,660 --> 02:31:39,570
part just because he's been
trained that always Russian so

2510
02:31:39,570 --> 02:31:41,730
therefore he must be a spy
whale.

2511
02:31:43,710 --> 02:31:46,470
John C Dvorak: believe they were
found with a with a camera on

2512
02:31:46,470 --> 02:31:53,880
him strapped on when they found
him. I read some of the stories

2513
02:31:53,880 --> 02:32:00,720
about it. And he's he was spying
on most of the fishermen seeing

2514
02:32:00,720 --> 02:32:02,160
what their catch look like.

2515
02:32:03,960 --> 02:32:06,450
Adam Curry: We had a beluga
whale story about a year and a

2516
02:32:06,450 --> 02:32:07,110
half ago.

2517
02:32:07,140 --> 02:32:09,180
John C Dvorak: Beluga whales by
the way, the one of the

2518
02:32:09,180 --> 02:32:11,820
prettiest animations you
imagined very cute, and they

2519
02:32:11,820 --> 02:32:14,580
just they have a nice quality
about him.

2520
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,860
Adam Curry: Do you remember the
beluga whale near France? I

2521
02:32:16,860 --> 02:32:21,420
think? No. Oh, let me let's just
see if the story has anything a

2522
02:32:21,420 --> 02:32:23,940
beluga whale which is 2022

2523
02:32:23,970 --> 02:32:26,970
Unknown: She usually leaves in
Arctic and sub dark sub Arctic

2524
02:32:26,970 --> 02:32:30,150
waters has been spotted in the
sound river heading toward

2525
02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:33,780
Paris. Now that's a spy whale
right there. Man protected

2526
02:32:33,780 --> 02:32:37,650
species is 1000s of miles away
from its habitat but it's not

2527
02:32:37,650 --> 02:32:40,800
the first whale that's
mysteriously ended up in the

2528
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:43,860
scent. And VR Paris
correspondent Eleanor Beardsley

2529
02:32:43,860 --> 02:32:44,790
reports sounds to

2530
02:32:44,790 --> 02:32:47,130
Adam Curry: me like there's a
spy ring of beluga whales we

2531
02:32:47,130 --> 02:32:50,220
haven't. We haven't been been
aware of

2532
02:32:50,340 --> 02:32:54,000
Unknown: you'll know from Ceylon
CUSUM. The multiple layer

2533
02:32:54,060 --> 02:32:57,900
like a Phantom is the incursion
of the polar world into the

2534
02:32:57,900 --> 02:33:01,320
troubled waters of the sense as
this French television news

2535
02:33:01,320 --> 02:33:05,250
report showing the white beluga
whales swimming slowly through

2536
02:33:05,250 --> 02:33:08,700
the rivers dark waters. Patrick
Erivo was one of the

2537
02:33:08,700 --> 02:33:11,940
firefighters who filmed the
whale with a drone sits under

2538
02:33:11,940 --> 02:33:15,960
the key it does see you unless
you know cube long. It's an

2539
02:33:15,960 --> 02:33:16,860
impressive animal

2540
02:33:16,890 --> 02:33:19,500
you eat up all white. That seems
very tranquil.

2541
02:33:19,800 --> 02:33:21,060
He doesn't seem stressed.

2542
02:33:21,210 --> 02:33:24,420
Adam Curry: He comes up for air
regularly because he's a spy.

2543
02:33:24,449 --> 02:33:27,719
Unknown: but authorities say the
whale is stressed and fleeing

2544
02:33:27,749 --> 02:33:32,459
any contact. It's normal habitat
is off Norway, Russia or Canada.

2545
02:33:32,729 --> 02:33:36,449
Emmanuel Pesco VL with the
Normandy prefecture of police is

2546
02:33:36,449 --> 02:33:39,479
in charge of the unit tracking
the whale on this boat

2547
02:33:39,480 --> 02:33:46,050
Adam Curry: crapped. All right,
well, nice spy whale. Your buddy

2548
02:33:46,050 --> 02:33:53,100
Claire Daly is mad. She's the
Irish show representative in

2549
02:33:53,460 --> 02:33:59,280
European MEP, s MEP member of
European Parliament. And I guess

2550
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:03,060
she's tired of the Russian
stuff.

2551
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:06,570
Unknown: Thanks very much
presidents. Tomorrow, the

2552
02:34:06,570 --> 02:34:09,720
parliament votes on the second
Kenyatta report on foreign

2553
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:14,070
interference, a sprawling,
paranoid McCarthy has tracked

2554
02:34:14,310 --> 02:34:18,720
stigmatizing whole sections of
society and opposition politics

2555
02:34:18,900 --> 02:34:22,710
under the specter of Russian
interference calling for a

2556
02:34:22,710 --> 02:34:27,420
battery of repressive measures.
And now here we are discussing

2557
02:34:27,420 --> 02:34:30,660
the threat to democracy and the
rule of law. Because the Polish

2558
02:34:30,660 --> 02:34:34,080
government goes off on a march
one against its political

2559
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:39,360
opponents under the guise of
exactly the same thing for four

2560
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:45,000
years now. Anytime any old rumor
of foreign interference has left

2561
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:48,360
it out of the paranoid
imaginations of the security

2562
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:52,890
sector. Think tanks that
parading here, day after day, we

2563
02:34:52,890 --> 02:34:57,570
roll out the red carpet. We
encourage phones and amplify

2564
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:01,410
conspiracy theories about
rushing into ference based on

2565
02:35:01,410 --> 02:35:05,880
the flimsiest of evidence. And
from day one, the left warned

2566
02:35:05,970 --> 02:35:09,750
that this is a bad road to go
down. Learn from history,

2567
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:14,490
counter intelligence, paranoia,
erodes democratic values and the

2568
02:35:14,490 --> 02:35:18,000
rule of law. For four years
we've been ignored. We've been

2569
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:22,860
slandered. And now for groups to
willingly to helpers of the

2570
02:35:22,860 --> 02:35:27,240
foreign interference, crusade
are crying foul, it's being

2571
02:35:27,240 --> 02:35:30,510
abused. It's a trait of
fundamental rights. It's a trait

2572
02:35:30,510 --> 02:35:33,030
to the rule of law. Well
remember where you heard it

2573
02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:37,560
first, we don't like to say we
told you so. But we teach ESL

2574
02:35:38,220 --> 02:35:39,270
CaCO. Black

2575
02:35:40,290 --> 02:35:42,960
Adam Curry: man, I like
listening to her.

2576
02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:46,530
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but what is
she talking about here? Well, so

2577
02:35:46,530 --> 02:35:46,680
the

2578
02:35:46,860 --> 02:35:49,740
Adam Curry: apparently there's
Russian influence, you know,

2579
02:35:49,770 --> 02:35:53,370
like Donald Trump stuff, Russian
influence campaign. They're

2580
02:35:53,370 --> 02:35:58,500
their propaganda. There they're,
they're infiltrating a European

2581
02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:01,590
Parliament. Now they're all
freaked out about it.

2582
02:36:01,590 --> 02:36:05,760
McCarthyism is on its way.
According to Claire,

2583
02:36:05,789 --> 02:36:07,859
John C Dvorak: what does she
know about McCarthyism was a

2584
02:36:08,189 --> 02:36:12,569
phenomenon of the United States
in the 50s. Wow, but it is a

2585
02:36:12,569 --> 02:36:17,159
reference that's dated and one
kind of knows it. I don't know

2586
02:36:17,159 --> 02:36:17,879
about that.

2587
02:36:18,359 --> 02:36:22,559
Adam Curry: Did you follow Tara
read the

2588
02:36:23,220 --> 02:36:24,540
John C Dvorak: I didn't know she
was in town.

2589
02:36:25,650 --> 02:36:32,100
Adam Curry: She's not She is the
former staffer for Biden who

2590
02:36:32,130 --> 02:36:33,660
said that he sexually

2591
02:36:34,230 --> 02:36:36,180
John C Dvorak: became a Russian
well

2592
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:40,560
Adam Curry: mind you What's that
all about term is defected. I

2593
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:43,650
find that I don't have any clips
but she defected they were

2594
02:36:43,650 --> 02:36:46,830
bringing that thing back from
the Soviet times. About the

2595
02:36:46,860 --> 02:36:50,070
John C Dvorak: deaths and other
old defected that's not what a

2596
02:36:50,070 --> 02:36:51,390
defection means. Of

2597
02:36:51,390 --> 02:36:52,110
Adam Curry: course not.

2598
02:36:52,890 --> 02:36:55,320
John C Dvorak: But that's a
what's his name as a gal.

2599
02:36:57,150 --> 02:36:59,790
Russian he didn't defect. Did
they say that about

2600
02:36:59,790 --> 02:37:02,970
Adam Curry: him? That they might
have I don't remember. And of

2601
02:37:02,970 --> 02:37:07,320
course we have Snowden. But
what's interesting about this,

2602
02:37:07,740 --> 02:37:14,340
is that she defected upon
invitation of Maria Butina. I

2603
02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:18,390
remember Maria Butina. Yeah, the
redhead was the other redhead,

2604
02:37:18,390 --> 02:37:21,480
not the actual Russian redhead
spy. She's the one that had a

2605
02:37:23,310 --> 02:37:26,760
romantic relationship with
Patrick Byrne, the Overstock CEO

2606
02:37:26,760 --> 02:37:31,230
guy, and she she got arrested,
she got thrown in jail. And

2607
02:37:31,260 --> 02:37:35,760
eventually she pleaded guilty to
not registering as a foreign

2608
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:38,760
agent because she wanted to
influence the National Rifle

2609
02:37:38,760 --> 02:37:42,450
Association, which is kind of a
bull crap thing. Half of

2610
02:37:42,450 --> 02:37:47,220
Washington DC is a lobbyist that
is unregistered. But I find it

2611
02:37:47,220 --> 02:37:52,800
interesting because it to me. I
mean, I think we both agree that

2612
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:55,770
Russian first of all, no one
hates the Russians. It's only

2613
02:37:55,770 --> 02:38:01,710
Putin. No one hates the Russians
and hot dog boy. But no one's no

2614
02:38:01,710 --> 02:38:04,620
one's walk around like, Oh, I
hate the Russian scum, Russian

2615
02:38:04,620 --> 02:38:09,180
scum. No, no. In fact, Russians
and Americans are very similar.

2616
02:38:09,180 --> 02:38:10,740
We're very similar values,

2617
02:38:11,070 --> 02:38:12,960
John C Dvorak: as if they don't
like baseball.

2618
02:38:14,460 --> 02:38:20,370
Adam Curry: And Maria Butina was
trying to get Russia's, she's

2619
02:38:20,370 --> 02:38:22,170
now a member of parliament
shouldn't you're trying to get

2620
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:28,920
laws changed, so that Russians
could have an equivalent of a

2621
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:33,030
second amendment. So this feels
like a signal somehow.

2622
02:38:35,550 --> 02:38:37,470
John C Dvorak: But you know, a
lot of times you get something

2623
02:38:37,470 --> 02:38:45,930
like this, and it's actually an
intelligence asset that has been

2624
02:38:45,930 --> 02:38:48,480
set up to do this so they can
get over there.

2625
02:38:49,350 --> 02:38:54,330
Adam Curry: Who, there you go.
It's the real, I mean,

2626
02:38:55,019 --> 02:38:57,749
John C Dvorak: at the end to let
the Biden girl, because it

2627
02:38:57,779 --> 02:39:00,899
doesn't make any sense.
Otherwise, to me, at least.

2628
02:39:00,930 --> 02:39:04,380
Adam Curry: Well, she left
because she was asked to testify

2629
02:39:04,410 --> 02:39:08,880
against Biden, by Matt gates and
a couple of these Republican

2630
02:39:08,880 --> 02:39:13,110
dudes. And then she was told,
Well, you know, we can't give

2631
02:39:13,110 --> 02:39:17,160
you any protection. Yeah, and,
you know, Democrats might kill

2632
02:39:17,160 --> 02:39:21,780
you. And of course, he was only
being used as a political pawn

2633
02:39:21,810 --> 02:39:25,170
to make Biden look bad for the
upcoming election. So there's

2634
02:39:25,170 --> 02:39:29,520
something that just Maria Butina
in this tells me that some

2635
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:32,520
intelligent aspect that we're
not aware of, there must be

2636
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:33,630
something more to the end.

2637
02:39:33,630 --> 02:39:35,160
John C Dvorak: If they're any
good at all. We'll never be

2638
02:39:35,160 --> 02:39:38,640
aware. In fact, that fact, in
fact that we got this close is

2639
02:39:38,670 --> 02:39:44,190
phenomenal. Probably. That's it.
But I do have Biden supercut of

2640
02:39:44,190 --> 02:39:45,390
Biden shouting,

2641
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:47,400
Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Let's play
it.

2642
02:39:47,460 --> 02:39:51,330
Unknown: My grandpa was named
mandro. For Ambrose Finnegan. As

2643
02:39:51,330 --> 02:39:55,140
kitchen table I learned by used
to say, Hey, Joey, nobody's

2644
02:39:55,140 --> 02:39:59,100
better than you, but you're no
better than anybody else. Maybe

2645
02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:01,650
Scranton and MC Got a little bit
of a chip on my shoulder,

2646
02:40:02,100 --> 02:40:04,680
worried about whether I can make
next month's work mortgage

2647
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:09,660
payment? Well, it is what it is
because He was who He is. That's

2648
02:40:09,660 --> 02:40:13,050
why it is what it is. You know,
remember when he went on, he

2649
02:40:13,050 --> 02:40:16,650
decided he was going to convince
Bob Woodward What a smart guy he

2650
02:40:16,650 --> 02:40:21,480
was. So you want a smart guy.
I'll lead an effective strategy

2651
02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:24,990
to mobilize true international
effort to pressure, isolate and

2652
02:40:24,990 --> 02:40:29,310
punish China. Donald care Donald
Trump thinks health care. Well,

2653
02:40:29,310 --> 02:40:34,800
I'm sick and tired are smart
guys. I gotta admit, this is all

2654
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:42,060
within our power. Hang on. The
sand every single person

2655
02:40:42,060 --> 02:40:46,170
qualified to CUNY college free
and if I keep going, you're

2656
02:40:46,170 --> 02:40:47,610
gonna freeze your fingers off.

2657
02:40:47,850 --> 02:40:52,890
Adam Curry: All right. Another
one for the books, your friend.

2658
02:40:53,580 --> 02:40:57,810
And I want to point out that you
have you identified Taylor Swift

2659
02:40:57,810 --> 02:41:04,200
as a as a phenomenon before the
world did. You were the first

2660
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:05,490
one that brought her to the
show?

2661
02:41:05,880 --> 02:41:09,090
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And my
basis was the fact that she got

2662
02:41:09,090 --> 02:41:14,370
some free airtime on one of the
one of the late night 60 minutes

2663
02:41:14,370 --> 02:41:18,720
type shows news show. And she
was getting promoted, like,

2664
02:41:18,840 --> 02:41:21,600
didn't make a lot of sense. And
then looking into where we

2665
02:41:21,600 --> 02:41:25,290
discovered her father was one of
the big vice presidents or big

2666
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:29,550
muckety muck, they use the term
at Merrill Lynch and he's the

2667
02:41:29,550 --> 02:41:33,060
one who moved the family to
Nashville now and she learned

2668
02:41:33,060 --> 02:41:36,870
from him and she's become she's
a marketing Juggernaut and it's

2669
02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:40,680
just beyond me that nobody
noticed that you know, this is

2670
02:41:40,680 --> 02:41:45,810
all a skate game. She doesn't
she's a genius in marketing, but

2671
02:41:45,810 --> 02:41:48,090
I don't see that her songs are
that interesting. And now we

2672
02:41:48,090 --> 02:41:51,720
have this latest which we're
going to discuss this latest

2673
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:55,440
scam a marketing scam, which is
just beyond me i roller

2674
02:41:56,310 --> 02:41:58,740
Adam Curry: Well, what do you
know that I don't know? It's not

2675
02:41:58,740 --> 02:42:00,900
a marketing thing. Is this a
marketing scam?

2676
02:42:01,050 --> 02:42:03,720
John C Dvorak: What about the
forgotten? Yeah, forgotten

2677
02:42:03,810 --> 02:42:04,710
attendance?

2678
02:42:04,740 --> 02:42:10,140
Adam Curry: No. Yes. Oh, yes.
Yeah, yes. That No, it's taters.

2679
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:13,410
I'm from the BBC and Time
Magazine Taylor Swift Fans

2680
02:42:13,410 --> 02:42:16,110
report amnesia following amnesia

2681
02:42:16,110 --> 02:42:18,120
John C Dvorak: Taylor Swift
amnesia. This was reported on

2682
02:42:18,120 --> 02:42:21,180
the inside edition. And
mainstream media didn't bite on

2683
02:42:21,180 --> 02:42:25,710
this edition. Did you have this?
Do you have a clip? No, no, I

2684
02:42:25,710 --> 02:42:28,710
didn't get it clipped by we used
to bite on this. This is

2685
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:29,730
Adam Curry: MK Ultra

2686
02:42:32,370 --> 02:42:35,010
John C Dvorak: it was something
Yeah, you didn't think about

2687
02:42:35,010 --> 02:42:40,080
that. About that. I didn't think
it MK she may be MK Ultra for

2688
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:40,260
all

2689
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:43,440
Adam Curry: she's hypnotizing
young children and who know that

2690
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:46,140
so they don't remember being
done a member anything from the

2691
02:42:46,140 --> 02:42:53,010
concert? Except what was put in
there? If your child went to a

2692
02:42:53,010 --> 02:42:58,170
Taylor Swift concert she's
acting weird let us know. I'm

2693
02:42:58,170 --> 02:43:00,420
telling you. This is not normal.

2694
02:43:01,050 --> 02:43:04,620
John C Dvorak: No, none of this
is our show specializes in the

2695
02:43:04,620 --> 02:43:05,340
abnormal

2696
02:43:05,370 --> 02:43:07,170
Adam Curry: you're telling me
that you think this is a

2697
02:43:07,170 --> 02:43:09,810
marketing scam? Like go to the
show? Don't remember it. How

2698
02:43:09,810 --> 02:43:10,650
does that work?

2699
02:43:12,840 --> 02:43:16,200
John C Dvorak: No, it's just an
attention getter. Okay, oh, I'm

2700
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:19,800
gonna go see if I can forget. I
mean, who knows that your fans

2701
02:43:19,800 --> 02:43:21,330
are all a bunch of bats.

2702
02:43:22,530 --> 02:43:27,210
Adam Curry: Obviously if I can
forget Okay, perfect. RFK Jr.

2703
02:43:27,240 --> 02:43:31,320
You put it in the newsletter.
Did you think this is a takedown

2704
02:43:31,320 --> 02:43:33,630
of him? All of a sudden B's
Connor

2705
02:43:33,630 --> 02:43:34,080
John C Dvorak: stuff

2706
02:43:34,110 --> 02:43:36,420
Adam Curry: yeah the Connor
stuff. Okay, there's

2707
02:43:36,420 --> 02:43:38,580
John C Dvorak: a couple of
Connor things going on Connor

2708
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:43,380
claims to bend to Ukraine and
fought yes and any story if you

2709
02:43:43,380 --> 02:43:45,990
read the story, which I linked
to it in the newsletter, the

2710
02:43:45,990 --> 02:43:50,730
story and People Magazine. It
has two interesting facets to

2711
02:43:50,730 --> 02:43:54,120
it. First it he is supposedly
married to Cheryl Hines.

2712
02:43:54,780 --> 02:43:57,810
Adam Curry: No that's RFK Jr. is
married to Cheryl Hines.

2713
02:44:00,270 --> 02:44:03,030
John C Dvorak: Oh okay. Well
then Cheryl Hines is the Mom Yes

2714
02:44:03,030 --> 02:44:08,310
Guy Yes kid correct. And the kid
has a an affair. Boys got some

2715
02:44:08,340 --> 02:44:12,450
notorious worldwide affair going
on with some Brazilian hottie

2716
02:44:12,480 --> 02:44:17,040
Oh. And if you look her up
because they he suppose he goes

2717
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:21,090
to Ukraine but then turns up in
Brazil? This obviously was his

2718
02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:24,420
wife. You don't go from Ukraine
to Brazil.

2719
02:44:24,480 --> 02:44:26,370
Adam Curry: Oh, he was on break
from college.

2720
02:44:27,570 --> 02:44:32,490
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, it's
on a break. And then he okay, I

2721
02:44:32,490 --> 02:44:35,940
miss I mixed up the Cheryl Hines
thing because because it doesn't

2722
02:44:35,940 --> 02:44:39,060
make sense with this Brazilian
story because if you look and

2723
02:44:39,090 --> 02:44:42,870
again is People Magazine, same
magazine with his story about

2724
02:44:42,870 --> 02:44:49,380
him. And this hottie the singer
from a brazilian girl that he's

2725
02:44:49,380 --> 02:44:52,620
dating and you're seeing a lot
of amigos from Ukraine right to

2726
02:44:52,620 --> 02:44:57,990
her is very fishy stories even
some people are even wondering

2727
02:44:57,990 --> 02:45:01,800
whether he was in Ukraine at
all. Hmm. There's something very

2728
02:45:01,800 --> 02:45:03,360
fishy about Conor Kennedy.

2729
02:45:04,199 --> 02:45:08,429
Adam Curry: So, there was a
rally where Robert Kennedy Jr.

2730
02:45:09,389 --> 02:45:13,409
said that not only was Connor
did Connor go to Ukraine as a

2731
02:45:13,409 --> 02:45:17,159
machine gunner, but it's also a
Justin righteous war.

2732
02:45:17,610 --> 02:45:21,750
Unknown: I want to say that we
are in the Ukraine. For all the

2733
02:45:21,750 --> 02:45:28,410
right reasons. We are there
because we are a good people.

2734
02:45:31,080 --> 02:45:35,400
Abraham Lincoln said, America is
a great nation because we're a

2735
02:45:35,400 --> 02:45:40,680
good nation. And we continue to
be good people. And we are there

2736
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:44,490
because of our compassion. The
Ukrainian people who have been

2737
02:45:44,610 --> 02:45:49,230
brutalized who've been illegally
invaded, have shown

2738
02:45:49,260 --> 02:45:54,120
extraordinary valor and courage,
defending their country and

2739
02:45:54,120 --> 02:45:58,980
defending their families, and
their beliefs and their

2740
02:45:58,980 --> 02:46:01,890
liberties and their
independence. Things that

2741
02:46:01,890 --> 02:46:07,950
Americans have to admire. My own
son Connor, I'm very, very proud

2742
02:46:08,610 --> 02:46:14,310
that Connor joined the Foreign
Legion and fought in the Ukraine

2743
02:46:14,610 --> 02:46:18,900
during the Kharkiv offensive as
a machine gunner for Special

2744
02:46:18,900 --> 02:46:19,650
Forces Group.

2745
02:46:27,930 --> 02:46:28,380
Adam Curry: You know,

2746
02:46:28,410 --> 02:46:30,660
John C Dvorak: well, there's a
possibility that they're trying

2747
02:46:30,660 --> 02:46:35,820
to get Connor on the Kennedy
list of people that's going to

2748
02:46:35,880 --> 02:46:39,690
you're going to run for office.
ARS JQ Jr. is not going to win

2749
02:46:39,690 --> 02:46:40,260
anything

2750
02:46:41,190 --> 02:46:45,030
Adam Curry: but here's here's
how I took it. I took it as a

2751
02:46:45,060 --> 02:46:52,410
Kennedy's wife actress Hollywood
Hollywood that the only she said

2752
02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:56,130
I'm only going to go along with
you running the way you run with

2753
02:46:56,160 --> 02:47:01,590
you know, your being your anti
Vax whatever whatever other

2754
02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:06,780
stuff that that you know that we
like about him. If you if you

2755
02:47:06,780 --> 02:47:10,980
justify the Ukraine situation,
and maybe that's why they bring

2756
02:47:10,980 --> 02:47:13,110
the Connor thing in. What do you
think about that?

2757
02:47:14,130 --> 02:47:16,680
John C Dvorak: It may be but I
don't think she's got that much

2758
02:47:16,680 --> 02:47:20,850
power influence. Ukraine. I
think the Ukraine thing is the

2759
02:47:20,850 --> 02:47:25,860
following. Connor was gonna run
for office because he's a

2760
02:47:25,860 --> 02:47:29,580
Kennedy. They all all do.
Commerce. He doesn't want to be

2761
02:47:30,360 --> 02:47:35,040
a member of the military ever.
But he wants to look like a

2762
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:39,930
tough guy. So he's goes and he
does this phony baloney gig

2763
02:47:39,930 --> 02:47:42,420
which makes him look like a
military guy without having to

2764
02:47:42,420 --> 02:47:46,560
actually joined the army and
served the country. But it still

2765
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:47,580
has a look to at

2766
02:47:48,060 --> 02:47:50,400
Adam Curry: least Wow,
interesting. So you think this

2767
02:47:50,970 --> 02:47:54,030
has some chops? So the whole
thing is deployed to get Connor

2768
02:47:54,030 --> 02:47:57,810
in future president Connor.
Yeah, Kennedy's think that way.

2769
02:47:57,840 --> 02:47:59,700
They do have a long game
mentality.

2770
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:02,310
John C Dvorak: They have a long
game. The guy's buffed So as

2771
02:48:02,310 --> 02:48:05,370
he's a good looking guy. To the
point he's that he's goofy

2772
02:48:05,370 --> 02:48:08,130
Logan, I mean, I shouldn't say
good luck is not like a Kennedy.

2773
02:48:08,730 --> 02:48:12,420
You know, a gorgeous Kennedy.
He's kind of a goofball looking

2774
02:48:12,420 --> 02:48:15,750
Kennedy would but you'll grow
out of that he'll look like a

2775
02:48:15,750 --> 02:48:20,970
cat, regular Kennedy eventually.
And then he's got his military

2776
02:48:20,970 --> 02:48:23,730
service under his belt. So
without having to actually sign

2777
02:48:23,730 --> 02:48:25,530
up for anything. Heaven forbid.

2778
02:48:25,560 --> 02:48:28,830
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Oh,
I like that angle. I like that

2779
02:48:28,830 --> 02:48:33,000
makes a lot of a lot of sense.
Hey, and what is this? What is

2780
02:48:33,000 --> 02:48:36,720
the Kosovo why? Why is Kosovo
all of a sudden popping up if

2781
02:48:36,720 --> 02:48:38,220
you've noticed these stories?

2782
02:48:40,170 --> 02:48:42,870
John C Dvorak: Yes, there's a
bunch of action going on.

2783
02:48:43,620 --> 02:48:46,950
Adam Curry: I have two clips
I've seen on CNN CBS first,

2784
02:48:46,980 --> 02:48:50,400
Unknown: NATO is sending 700
more troops to Kosovo to help

2785
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:53,820
curb rising tensions in northern
towns that comes after 30

2786
02:48:53,820 --> 02:48:56,970
peacekeeping soldiers were
injured during classes with

2787
02:48:56,970 --> 02:49:00,600
ethnic Serb protesters earlier
this week of violence broke out

2788
02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:04,470
in the region following the
installation of ethnic Albanian

2789
02:49:04,470 --> 02:49:09,060
mares in Serbian dominated
areas. They were elected in a

2790
02:49:09,060 --> 02:49:13,170
vote overwhelmingly boycotted by
Serbs. Ethnic Albanians make up

2791
02:49:13,230 --> 02:49:16,350
over 90% of Kosovo, its
population but Serbs in the

2792
02:49:16,350 --> 02:49:20,010
North have long demanded the
creation of autonomous

2793
02:49:20,340 --> 02:49:23,760
municipalities. It's not clear
when the extra NATO troops will

2794
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:24,510
arrive though.

2795
02:49:24,810 --> 02:49:29,610
Adam Curry: Hold on Stop the
presses. Connor Kennedy dated

2796
02:49:29,610 --> 02:49:30,540
Taylor Swift

2797
02:49:33,090 --> 02:49:34,200
John C Dvorak: No, that's
interesting.

2798
02:49:35,580 --> 02:49:37,560
Adam Curry: He can't remember
all the part of us can't

2799
02:49:37,560 --> 02:49:41,610
remember it can't remember it.
Can't remember anything that

2800
02:49:41,610 --> 02:49:44,430
happened during my dating I
Taylor Swift. Here's CNN and

2801
02:49:44,430 --> 02:49:44,910
Kosovo.

2802
02:49:44,940 --> 02:49:48,060
Unknown: More than 30 NATO
peacekeepers injured in clashes

2803
02:49:48,060 --> 02:49:52,200
with Serb protesters in northern
Kosovo Monday. Among them

2804
02:49:52,230 --> 02:49:57,480
several Italians and Hungarians.
NATO has condemned the attacks,

2805
02:49:57,540 --> 02:50:00,480
saying they were quote totally
unexcited Double

2806
02:50:02,159 --> 02:50:05,519
Adam Curry: these are NATO
troops Gianna un. This is NATO.

2807
02:50:05,519 --> 02:50:07,679
This is something this is some
this is weird.

2808
02:50:07,710 --> 02:50:10,920
Unknown: The peacekeepers known
as k four have been present in

2809
02:50:10,920 --> 02:50:15,660
this volatile region since 1999.
In response to brutal ethnic

2810
02:50:15,660 --> 02:50:17,280
cleansing of Albanians, yeah,

2811
02:50:17,280 --> 02:50:19,680
Adam Curry: as the Dutch Blue
Helmets how that went, that was

2812
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:20,910
real good boys.

2813
02:50:21,239 --> 02:50:23,789
Unknown: The latest tension
comes after ethnic Serbs

2814
02:50:23,789 --> 02:50:26,669
boycotted an election in the
northern part of Kosovo in

2815
02:50:26,669 --> 02:50:30,539
April, leading to ethnic
Albanians governing the region.

2816
02:50:30,929 --> 02:50:34,259
Serbia claims the Kosovo
government is goading Serbs to

2817
02:50:34,259 --> 02:50:38,189
clash with NATO as peacekeepers
stand guard inspection today,

2818
02:50:38,279 --> 02:50:41,579
whether the protesters here
listen could determine whether

2819
02:50:41,579 --> 02:50:45,239
relative peace returns to the
region, or if Europe has another

2820
02:50:45,239 --> 02:50:46,859
conflict on the horizon.

2821
02:50:47,910 --> 02:50:50,310
Adam Curry: Another conflict on
the horizon, that's what we

2822
02:50:50,310 --> 02:50:50,760
need.

2823
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:53,700
John C Dvorak: Well, Albania,
Albania should be noted that

2824
02:50:53,700 --> 02:50:56,850
Albania and Croatia both join
NATO and 2009. So there's a

2825
02:50:56,850 --> 02:51:01,350
legitimate reason for NATO being
there, but not in 99. No,

2826
02:51:01,380 --> 02:51:05,700
because Serbia is not in NATO.
Albania wasn't in NATO, then.

2827
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:08,730
No. So what was going on now
that would have that would

2828
02:51:09,450 --> 02:51:13,350
prompt these NATO troops to go
into this NATO thing is out of

2829
02:51:13,350 --> 02:51:16,860
control. Yeah. And it's not a
country. It's not a government.

2830
02:51:17,310 --> 02:51:20,430
Adam Curry: This this is this
has to be an alliance has to be

2831
02:51:20,430 --> 02:51:24,150
Ukraine related. This
something's wrong Ukraine

2832
02:51:24,150 --> 02:51:27,150
related as you say, NATO
Alliance related. We're being

2833
02:51:27,150 --> 02:51:28,440
set up for something here.

2834
02:51:29,880 --> 02:51:32,070
John C Dvorak: I'm so sick of
these people as best they can.

2835
02:51:32,460 --> 02:51:37,770
I'm sick of it. I'm sick. I got
one sick of it.

2836
02:51:39,090 --> 02:51:42,750
Adam Curry: I got one last clip.
Canada is doing something fun.

2837
02:51:42,780 --> 02:51:45,720
Unknown: Canada is about to
become the first country to

2838
02:51:45,720 --> 02:51:50,250
require health warnings printed
on individual cigarettes. As Dan

2839
02:51:50,250 --> 02:51:52,950
Karpen Chuck reports, the
announcement was laid on

2840
02:51:52,980 --> 02:51:56,310
Wednesday, which was World note
Tobacco Day.

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The measure is aimed at raising
awareness of the health risks of

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tobacco and reducing its usage.
The new regulations won't take

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effect until the beginning of
August and will come in a phased

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02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:09,060
approach over the next year.
Health Ministers only do close

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as the warning will reach every
person who smokes with messages

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02:52:12,600 --> 02:52:16,290
including poison in every puff
and cigarettes cause cancer.

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02:52:16,680 --> 02:52:19,410
kingsize cigarettes will be the
first to feature the warnings

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02:52:19,410 --> 02:52:23,520
and will be sold by retailers by
the end of July 2024. Officials

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02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:27,000
say it's part of a strategy to
reach a target of less than 5%

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02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:31,470
tobacco use by 2035. The
Canadian Cancer Society and the

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02:52:31,470 --> 02:52:34,590
Heart and Stroke Foundation,
welcome the measures. For NPR

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02:52:34,590 --> 02:52:35,070
News. I'm

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02:52:35,070 --> 02:52:37,230
Adam Curry: Dan carpenter back
in Toronto. Yeah, I'd like to

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02:52:37,230 --> 02:52:41,190
remind I'd like to remind us all
that research showed in the

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02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:45,810
Netherlands when they the more
horrible, yep, pictures they put

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02:52:45,810 --> 02:52:50,730
on cigarette packs of diseased
lungs and people dying, the more

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02:52:50,730 --> 02:52:55,410
they sold. This is this is a
great marketing promotion.

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02:52:55,530 --> 02:52:57,930
John C Dvorak: Well, they have a
set for one thing in this case.

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02:52:59,010 --> 02:53:01,050
The ink causes cancer,

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02:53:01,620 --> 02:53:05,220
Adam Curry: of course, but it
doesn't matter. You know if you

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02:53:05,220 --> 02:53:08,550
can actually be reminded of how
horrible this product is when

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02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:12,750
you're smoking it, poison and
every puff. People will buy more

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02:53:12,960 --> 02:53:18,780
in every This is a known fact.
It's a known fact people. That's

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02:53:18,780 --> 02:53:24,810
marketing for you genius Canada
well done. Alright, everybody,

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02:53:25,230 --> 02:53:29,340
keep your eye out. Keep your eye
on your kids. Get my ham radio.

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02:53:30,990 --> 02:53:33,480
John C Dvorak: Now you're
talking That's smart. Yeah, get

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02:53:33,480 --> 02:53:33,570
them

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02:53:33,570 --> 02:53:36,330
Adam Curry: ready for field day
get them using FTA they'll learn

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02:53:36,360 --> 02:53:39,510
geography and technology and
other fun stuff was good for

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02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:42,630
most kids don't know geography
now. Well, FTA you're learning

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02:53:42,630 --> 02:53:45,330
it right there on the map. You
see how far your signal reached.

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02:53:47,580 --> 02:53:54,360
We have next on no agenda
stream.com We have the

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02:53:54,360 --> 02:53:58,500
millennial media offensive. All
right. Good little show there.

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02:53:59,370 --> 02:54:03,510
And coming up we've got ACDC his
greatest COVID hits. We've got

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02:54:03,510 --> 02:54:06,660
the tyrannical list and Steven
Hunter Jones for your end of

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02:54:06,660 --> 02:54:09,570
show programming. And coming to
you from the heart of the Texas

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02:54:09,570 --> 02:54:11,880
hill country here in FEMA Region
number six in the morning,

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02:54:11,880 --> 02:54:13,350
everybody. I'm Adam curry.

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02:54:14,460 --> 02:54:17,280
John C Dvorak: Bush thing to
tyrannical this guy sounds a lot

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02:54:17,280 --> 02:54:21,120
like go one of these podcasters
that lives in Japan.

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02:54:21,300 --> 02:54:23,730
Adam Curry: I think he is that
podcast that lives in Japan.

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02:54:24,510 --> 02:54:24,930
Well,

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02:54:24,960 --> 02:54:26,820
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley. I'm John C.

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02:54:26,820 --> 02:54:27,720
Dvorak. We'll be

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02:54:27,720 --> 02:54:29,700
Adam Curry: back on Sunday.
Remember us at Devorah

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02:54:29,700 --> 02:54:36,390
rock.org/na Until then, adios
MoPhO to Hui Hui. Such

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02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:46,560
Unknown: CTCs greatest. Now
available with vaccination

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02:54:52,920 --> 02:55:00,360
you'll get as on classics like
Just

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02:55:06,480 --> 02:55:09,810
enter with a signed copy of the
album by Brian Johnson and

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02:55:09,810 --> 02:55:10,380
Johnson

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02:55:19,470 --> 02:55:24,120
rams shakes legendary slice

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02:55:33,210 --> 02:55:38,760
will tell you lies, say see CRI.

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02:56:05,130 --> 02:56:10,530
have developed a universal flu
vaccine. It's effective against

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02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:15,360
all 20 known strains of flu and
can help us fight off dangerous

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02:56:15,360 --> 02:56:20,760
new strains before they develop
into a pandemic. The new vaccine

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02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:25,650
could be induced within two
years. Every year, flu causes

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02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:31,920
three to 5 million cases of
severe illness and up to 650,000

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02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:36,180
deaths. The flu vaccines you
receive today are strain

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02:56:36,180 --> 02:56:40,290
specific. One is chosen each
year based on whichever strain

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02:56:40,320 --> 02:56:44,100
is prevalent, but this offers
little protection against

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02:56:44,100 --> 02:56:48,780
emerging new strains. The
universal flu vaccine uses the

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02:56:48,810 --> 02:56:54,390
same mRNA technology as dumb
COVID 19 vaccine, it contains

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02:56:54,720 --> 02:56:59,190
every known flu strain. Doctors
believe the world may be in for

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02:56:59,190 --> 02:57:04,500
a nasty flu season this year.
Here is the CEO of flu lab, and

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02:57:04,500 --> 02:57:08,790
her globalist health official
friends praising a universal flu

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02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:11,490
jab just a few years ago,

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02:57:11,730 --> 02:57:15,540
we seek a transformative product

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02:57:15,570 --> 02:57:20,460
we could get the RNA sequence
from that beam it to a number of

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02:57:20,460 --> 02:57:24,930
regional centers, if not local,
if not even in your home at some

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02:57:24,930 --> 02:57:28,290
point and print those vaccines
on the patch and self

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02:57:28,290 --> 02:57:29,070
administer.

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02:57:29,340 --> 02:57:32,910
When you do get a universal flu
vaccine. You're going to want to

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02:57:32,910 --> 02:57:37,050
give it to six month old kids.
We need to

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02:57:37,050 --> 02:57:42,810
set an ambition for the ultimate
vaccine. It is durable, it is

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02:57:42,810 --> 02:57:44,490
for everyone on this planet.

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02:57:44,699 --> 02:57:51,209
That's right. One shot for every
person all over the world. For

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02:57:51,209 --> 02:57:55,559
example, Australia had its worst
flu outbreak in five years and

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02:57:55,559 --> 02:57:59,399
that may be a sign for things to
come in the northern hemisphere

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02:57:59,429 --> 02:58:04,019
but vaccines can help protect
people with you have a new flu

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02:58:04,019 --> 02:58:08,819
shot. You don't want to be
labeled a science denier Do you

2921
02:58:09,299 --> 02:58:15,269
brought to you by the W E F and
the W H O organizations that

2922
02:58:15,269 --> 02:58:22,349
love to put things into your
body you're almost dead

2923
02:58:28,440 --> 02:58:32,550
now you're safe and protected
are the theoretical lifts

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02:58:34,800 --> 02:58:36,450
Adam Curry: so start your promo
with Hank

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02:58:44,370 --> 02:58:46,110
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna update
share Trump

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02:58:47,820 --> 02:58:49,800
Adam Curry: because the last
time I did it he got all up in

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02:58:49,800 --> 02:58:57,090
my grill I really mean you were
mean

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02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:00,420
John C Dvorak: it was taking
crazy pills

2929
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:08,730
Adam Curry: you're always
interested in Jhansi Dvorak.

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02:59:13,980 --> 02:59:22,800
I said you need to explain it
better just chill out a little

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02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:32,040
bit. Yes. I can't leave you I'm
your only friend. We do. We

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02:59:32,040 --> 02:59:36,030
already established that.
Although

2933
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:38,910
John C Dvorak: day where's
everybody?

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02:59:40,530 --> 02:59:42,450
Adam Curry: Exactly what
everyone's talking about?

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02:59:54,810 --> 02:59:55,440
MoPhO

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02:59:55,470 --> 03:00:01,530
Unknown: boruch.org/in A This
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