1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,190 John C. Dvorak: Only outlaws wear neck gators. 2 00:00:02,460 --> 00:00:04,410 Unknown: Adam Curry. John C. Dvorak 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,830 Adam Curry: July 26 2020. This is your award winning gitmo 4 00:00:07,830 --> 00:00:11,190 nation media assassination episode 1263 5 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:13,110 Unknown: This is no agenda. 6 00:00:14,130 --> 00:00:17,340 Adam Curry: under Chinese attack and broadcasting live from 7 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:20,250 opportunity's own 33 Here in the frontier of Austin, Texas 8 00:00:20,250 --> 00:00:23,790 capital of the drone Star State. In the morning, everybody. I am 9 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:24,360 Adam curry, 10 00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:26,580 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where 11 00:00:26,580 --> 00:00:31,170 today's word of the day is Yummers. I'm John C. Dvorak. 12 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:32,640 Unknown: Crackpot and Buzzkill. 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,290 Adam Curry: But before we get to being under Chinese attack, 14 00:00:37,290 --> 00:00:41,010 before we talk about the word of the day, we have an economic 15 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,140 Zephyr car report. 16 00:00:43,740 --> 00:00:46,140 John C. Dvorak: Yes, Zephyr went by just before we started the 17 00:00:46,140 --> 00:00:50,400 show. And it had eight normal cars and then two attached 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,270 private cars to not one and one of them I have never seen 19 00:00:54,270 --> 00:00:56,790 before. It looks like an old Great Northern green. It was 20 00:00:56,790 --> 00:01:00,060 green with a big vistadome Big almost the end to end a 21 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:04,110 beautiful car. And then the last one was an old Zephyr 22 00:01:04,110 --> 00:01:08,100 observation car which I have seen before. That cargas rental 23 00:01:08,100 --> 00:01:10,350 Adam Curry: so how do we interpret this for the market? 24 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:12,510 Obviously a CNBC is spending 25 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:14,250 John C. Dvorak: money, somebody's spending money. Cars 26 00:01:14,250 --> 00:01:15,690 are easy to haul around, right? 27 00:01:16,350 --> 00:01:18,510 Adam Curry: But I mean, we've got an eight car stable but we 28 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:21,660 have two bonus cars. That means it's got to be something lurking 29 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:23,460 under the markets that no one is seeing. 30 00:01:24,030 --> 00:01:26,850 John C. Dvorak: Either that or the rich are just blowing their 31 00:01:26,850 --> 00:01:28,230 money because they know it's all over. 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,390 Adam Curry: When I went on the lake with my buddy, a week ago, 33 00:01:33,390 --> 00:01:39,660 we went wakeboarding wakesurfing. And what I noticed 34 00:01:39,660 --> 00:01:43,440 was everybody who has money in Austin, which are the people who 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,580 live on the lake, they upgraded their gear there was at New 36 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:52,470 boats, new jet skis people with those Mark Zuckerberg surfboards 37 00:01:52,470 --> 00:01:54,930 that are motorized. Everyone's got toys out there. 38 00:01:58,110 --> 00:01:59,910 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what it 39 00:01:59,910 --> 00:02:02,520 means. Doesn't mean well, I'll talk it over with horror, which 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,630 made me figure it out. 41 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,570 Adam Curry: Well, then, even before the Chinese attack, tell 42 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:08,640 me about the word of the day. Yummers. 43 00:02:09,690 --> 00:02:11,640 John C. Dvorak: So I got up a little earlier, and I made 44 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:16,800 breakfast. So I watched cooking with Sarah. And she's cooking 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,330 some Mexican style foods that are very interesting. And then 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:27,000 one of them says Yummers. And then later, Sarah hands this 47 00:02:27,030 --> 00:02:31,650 guest to cook a net of like a napkin with a napkin ring. I 48 00:02:31,650 --> 00:02:39,390 hands it to her. And the woman says, napkins yay. That got me 49 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:40,830 off to the wrong foot. Right? 50 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,340 Adam Curry: Is that something that is peculiar in her 51 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:47,190 household where they have napkins? Yay. I mean, what is 52 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:48,060 going on there? 53 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:53,040 John C. Dvorak: I was beyond me. So I was I turned it off in 54 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:53,700 disgust. 55 00:02:53,850 --> 00:02:59,370 Adam Curry: I can imagine. Well, the reports are not good. It was 56 00:02:59,370 --> 00:03:02,490 for the I think the news started to break first here on the no 57 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:07,440 agenda show just a few days ago. And now the entire United States 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 appears to be under a seed siege. 59 00:03:10,230 --> 00:03:13,140 Unknown: This woman says she didn't remember ordering 60 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:14,310 anything from China. 61 00:03:14,340 --> 00:03:17,430 I hope that it's nothing to Sharia. 62 00:03:17,490 --> 00:03:21,840 The label said earrings but something else was inside. 63 00:03:22,110 --> 00:03:26,070 Obviously they're not jewelry. And I opened them up and they 64 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:27,390 were seeds. 65 00:03:27,420 --> 00:03:30,900 But why would there be mislabeled seeds from China in 66 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:36,420 her mailbox? She didn't think much of it at first. Then she 67 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:39,450 found out this is something the State Department of Agriculture 68 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:43,320 is investigating seriously. She got some stern advice 69 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:45,930 this don't throw them in the garbage don't plan on Don't 70 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:47,130 touch him. plants and 71 00:03:47,130 --> 00:03:50,730 seeds in Utah are regulated strictly which is why agents 72 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,790 with Customs and Border Protection could also become 73 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:55,680 involved in the investigation. So I 74 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,680 Adam Curry: received emails from all around Gitmo nation, but 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:05,640 only the United States portion Virginia, Utah. Let's see. Even 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,500 Lubbock test Texas from soon to be deemed gingersnaps who by the 77 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:13,860 way says there's not really any problem with Corona doesn't know 78 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:18,180 what the news reports are about. And everyone has more or less 79 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:22,590 had the same experience where seeds just show up they're 80 00:04:22,590 --> 00:04:27,180 labeled as earrings. And it's unclear what the seeds are and 81 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:30,960 no one paid for them in the just sending them off. As in regards 82 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:37,710 to the hearing part. Patrick, who is he is longtime listener 83 00:04:37,710 --> 00:04:41,310 here and occupied PDX and a licensed Customs broker. He says 84 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:44,310 I'm able to chime in as to why people believe they're receiving 85 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:47,430 packets of C's that are marked as jewelry. Probably because the 86 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:50,400 Chinese are declaring them as jewelry to get around the USDA 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,610 declarations when it comes to importing seeds into the US. 88 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:56,220 That would make sense agricultural products can 89 00:04:56,220 --> 00:05:03,090 require import permits and phyto sanitary certificates phyto 90 00:05:03,090 --> 00:05:08,880 phyto sanitary never heard of this word with that are time 91 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,120 consuming to obtain and often end up having to be sampled in 92 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,140 or fumigated upon arrival. So I'm just thinking since this was 93 00:05:16,170 --> 00:05:19,530 unsolicited people have not ordered something. And these are 94 00:05:19,530 --> 00:05:22,560 not only not just people who order seeds in the past that 95 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:28,080 just showing up. I think this is some kind of new under the radar 96 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:30,300 attack that we're witnessing from China. 97 00:05:31,410 --> 00:05:32,310 John C. Dvorak: Couple of things, 98 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:33,870 Adam Curry: could you turn on your speakers a little bit for 99 00:05:33,870 --> 00:05:35,040 me just a tad, thank 100 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:43,080 John C. Dvorak: you had done a couple of things. The Arc 101 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,200 sending him or coming over here randomly in his enough reports, 102 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:52,200 as much as true. Most of these areas have a local university 103 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,700 with a botany department. Oh, nice, nice seats could have been 104 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:59,220 identified, or at least it should be at the university 105 00:05:59,220 --> 00:06:01,560 botany department. And there's some we should be looking at 106 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:04,710 some seeds yourself, you can identify what the plan is by the 107 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:07,770 seat itself. There's a lot of possibilities. So that the 108 00:06:07,770 --> 00:06:11,970 reporting is it goes is so shallow. It's just beyond me how 109 00:06:11,970 --> 00:06:14,280 this stuff even gets into the news. This should have been 110 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:17,400 identified and reported on long ago. 111 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,690 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, obviously they haven't. So I'm 112 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:25,110 just calling it now before anything, you know, turns out to 113 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:26,730 be true that we look like geniuses 114 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:31,260 John C. Dvorak: identify what it is, and you can't because nobody 115 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:34,860 wants to seems to want to go through the effort. I think this 116 00:06:34,860 --> 00:06:37,320 story is somewhat bogus. And I don't know why they're sending 117 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,200 these seeds or yeah, maybe it's some invasive species that they 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,780 want to emit. It could be a number of things. One, it could 119 00:06:42,780 --> 00:06:45,750 be an invasive species that are designed to choke off the 120 00:06:45,750 --> 00:06:49,110 country and kill us all. It could also it could be a man 121 00:06:49,110 --> 00:06:52,650 eating plant. It could also be some Chinese vegetable that when 122 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:54,870 they take over the place and come over here and have plenty 123 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:58,620 of food to eat. I mean, there's no this is story stupid. 124 00:06:59,310 --> 00:07:02,430 Adam Curry: It's not stupid. It's it's there's exactly what 125 00:07:02,430 --> 00:07:04,560 you're saying it's being mishandled. And we don't know 126 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,700 what it is. And we should. So it's, there's no story other 127 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:12,690 than it's happening, and it's very odd. And I just think that 128 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:14,910 it's worth noting, but okay, 129 00:07:14,940 --> 00:07:18,840 John C. Dvorak: I do I do understand the idea of marking 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,870 things differently, which everybody does, by the way, not 131 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:27,360 just the Chinese. Yeah. The way we do it. The Canadians do it. 132 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,290 Everybody does it. Yeah. 133 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:32,010 Adam Curry: But I but I hate the Chinese right now. So it fits 134 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:32,790 into my mind. So 135 00:07:32,790 --> 00:07:36,750 John C. Dvorak: we got notes. I got some notes. We got to know 136 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:40,050 from Catherine's Katherine Dame Catherine sletten, down in 137 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,020 Bangkok, Thailand. She's worked with our paid hating on the 138 00:07:43,020 --> 00:07:47,550 Chinese. Oh, okay. So I said to her, don't listen to today's 139 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:52,800 show. Please stay away really wisely. But I mean, I have 140 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,630 stuff. I got a bit of the Pompeo speech, which was the final of 141 00:07:57,630 --> 00:08:00,330 the group. Yeah. And nobody picked up on nobody wanted to 142 00:08:00,330 --> 00:08:02,790 report on it. So there's, I mean, it's not like anyone. In 143 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:05,490 fact, it's only our show that seems to be hating on the 144 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:08,700 Chinese the rest of the media loves the Chinese because we get 145 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:12,330 money. Yeah. I would recommend people go just 60 Minutes 146 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:14,910 Australia and look at all their reports on China. 147 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:17,700 Adam Curry: Oh, those guys have been all over China for the past 148 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,680 John C. Dvorak: call. Apparently, there's no money 149 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,650 flowing to them. And so they're just they just they're just 150 00:08:22,650 --> 00:08:26,670 ripping them just and with some really good reporting. In fact, 151 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:31,260 some of the one of the guys got arrested two or three times 152 00:08:31,260 --> 00:08:32,790 trying to get some of these reports out 153 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:36,060 Adam Curry: before before we go into into that just a quick 154 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:40,680 little COVID-19 updates Coronavirus she 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,349 John C. Dvorak: I wanted to do to COVID-19 stuff first because 156 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:47,879 our donations are way down. Yes. And that's because we didn't 157 00:08:47,939 --> 00:08:50,849 start and open with COVID-19. And last year, we didn't even 158 00:08:51,059 --> 00:08:52,259 hardly discussed it. 159 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:56,190 Adam Curry: Well, there is news. And there is news from Texas. As 160 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:59,670 you know, we are one of the central hotspots where where do 161 00:08:59,670 --> 00:09:03,840 we open to early we're run by a Republican governor. We're 162 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,010 idiots down here 163 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,930 John C. Dvorak: stupid you are. You're idiots. 164 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:10,380 Adam Curry: So two days ago the news came out. I think it was 165 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:13,740 actually right after we finished on Thursday. And it was this 166 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:20,940 headline big scary headline. In South Texas, Southwest Texas. 167 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:24,840 Now doctors are putting triage panels together to decide who 168 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,130 will get treated and who will die. Get panels. death panels. 169 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:34,230 Yes. In the article it said death panels. So this is 170 00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:38,010 concerning. Now I know that certainly on the border the 171 00:09:38,010 --> 00:09:42,570 border towns are out of control. Mainly because most of the 172 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,930 inhabitants there who have a culture of hanging out and 173 00:09:45,930 --> 00:09:50,700 partying I'm looking at you Latin X errs. They just they do 174 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:55,800 not social distance. And so there's like 65% of of everybody 175 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,090 on border towns who has any issue is Hispanic but This 176 00:10:00,090 --> 00:10:03,570 particular town where this report comes from, I look into 177 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:06,120 it said, okay, so they're being overrun, they have more cases 178 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,940 it's out of control. They're out of beds, they're out of ICU 179 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:13,320 units, they're gonna have to start deciding who to kill. And 180 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:19,080 I look a little deeper. This is a 17,000 person community, they 181 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:27,780 have reserved for COVID eight beds, and for COVID 13 ICUs. The 182 00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:32,580 A that is not their total maximum, but seriously. So 183 00:10:32,610 --> 00:10:35,640 that's what they're saying now is that they have to triage 184 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,120 because patient number nine you have to die. There's no other 185 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,600 hospital in Texas that can take care of that person. But listen 186 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,940 to how broth played this on CNN. Disgusting. I understand 187 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:48,540 hospitals 188 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:52,230 Unknown: are so overwhelmed in one county in southern Texas, so 189 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:56,820 the doctors have to choose who to send home to die. What do you 190 00:10:56,820 --> 00:10:58,620 learn? What are you learning? You want to learn? This is 191 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:01,680 happening in Starr County Down there in South Texas and area 192 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,490 that has been the hotspot within this Texas spot. County 193 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:08,340 officials they're saying at the county hospital in Starr County, 194 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,900 that they're going to create essentially ethics and triage 195 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:17,010 teams to go through the patients and which patients can be 196 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:20,220 treated there at the hospital in which patients might be too sick 197 00:11:20,310 --> 00:11:24,630 to be treated and have to go home and wait to die essentially 198 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:28,890 this because the number of COVID patients has exploded there. 199 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,190 Over the course of just the last month. County officials say they 200 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:34,980 didn't have any COVID patients about a month ago. Now they have 201 00:11:34,980 --> 00:11:39,090 more than 1400 more than 40 added to the rolls there 202 00:11:39,090 --> 00:11:42,570 yesterday. So a great deal of concern there hospitalizations 203 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:45,660 and deaths up. The number of overall new cases is beginning 204 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:48,660 to show signs of plateauing. But there are still disturbing 205 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,690 details in his medical data here in Dallas county. The county 206 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:54,750 judge announced that one of the people who died reported died 207 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:56,280 today was a five year old 208 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:02,970 Adam Curry: child. I see that John dropped off, so I'm just 209 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:05,850 gonna give him a second. I wanted to hear the last bit of 210 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:07,920 that clip. Wait until he comes 211 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,010 back. Okay, you 212 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:14,430 John C. Dvorak: back. You just I just lost Yeah, 213 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:16,200 Adam Curry: I saw you go I'm gonna play the last bit of the 214 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,480 clip for your for your humor. 215 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:21,240 Unknown: The number of overall new cases is beginning to show 216 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,630 signs of plateauing. But they're still disturbing details in this 217 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:27,240 medical data here in Dallas county. The county judge 218 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,870 announced that one of the people who died reported died today was 219 00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:32,010 a five year old child. 220 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,810 Adam Curry: So they start off this report with the total bull 221 00:12:36,810 --> 00:12:40,620 crap. Make it sound like this is the end of the world and then 222 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:45,600 end up in Dallas and the child died. It was fine. Come on. Now 223 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,440 of course that sucks. But this is this is fear porn that's 224 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:55,380 being created here. It's really it's really gone too far now. Or 225 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:57,240 maybe not far enough for them? I don't know. 226 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,490 John C. Dvorak: I don't know either. But let me I have 227 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:05,670 another little tidbit here. Another one of our females that 228 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:11,070 are listened to the show. Another Baron Baron as of of New 229 00:13:11,070 --> 00:13:11,490 York, 230 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,400 Adam Curry: Tanya, Dame Tanya. So she says you only have to 231 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,540 read the bottom part of that note, or not the part where 232 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:23,700 she's very disturbed. 233 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,670 John C. Dvorak: Not a dame overboard. I'm still listening 234 00:13:26,670 --> 00:13:29,760 and producing the show. Hence the current donation but at this 235 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,020 point two of my friends mothers have died from COVID 19 And very 236 00:13:34,020 --> 00:13:38,640 recently in Miami, and her dad is still in the hospital with 237 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,420 it. But thankfully it appears he will recover knock wood and yes, 238 00:13:42,420 --> 00:13:46,050 they both died of COVID not have something else while they were 239 00:13:46,050 --> 00:13:49,530 infected. Also, I know one young and previously very healthy 240 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:53,460 person who got COVID and survived but continues to suffer 241 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,390 for weeks on and it was an incredibly difficult recovery. I 242 00:13:57,390 --> 00:14:00,360 do believe the numbers are fishy. Yes. Do I believe that 243 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,820 there are shenanigans going on with every aspect of this? Of 244 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:06,030 course. Do I believe that all manner of douchebags are taking 245 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:09,390 advantage of this for their own purposes. Yes. However, real 246 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,480 people are actually dying or being greatly harmed. I don't 247 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,050 remember hearing anything like this level of sickness or death 248 00:14:16,050 --> 00:14:18,990 in the past for the seasonal flu okay couple of things there. I'm 249 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:25,230 gonna stop I'm gonna read the rest of it. Karate during the 250 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:26,220 Obama administration, 251 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:28,590 Adam Curry: don't hear about it correct. That's exactly the 252 00:14:28,590 --> 00:14:29,400 problem. Sorry. 253 00:14:29,490 --> 00:14:31,080 John C. Dvorak: You never heard about it because they never 254 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,570 talked about it. And because when Obama was president, they 255 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:36,120 stopped testing and they stopped everything then media just shut 256 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,750 up. And they let people die with no discussion. And we during the 257 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:42,420 major flu season that we did have about two or three years 258 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:45,780 ago we were they killed Jerry Pournelle and associate of mine 259 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:47,790 and a number of other people and I personally know 260 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:52,620 Adam Curry: and the command the John Perry Barlow, he got 261 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:54,480 pneumonia from the flu and died. 262 00:14:54,839 --> 00:14:56,759 John C. Dvorak: And John Perry Barlow is another guy that was 263 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,359 often the same strain of their seasonal flu and I knew these 264 00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:03,119 people personally and they were younger, and they died and they 265 00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:07,739 died. Then no, no discussion whatsoever and whose fault is 266 00:15:07,739 --> 00:15:10,559 that? Anyway, she continues to so when the vibe of the show 267 00:15:10,619 --> 00:15:14,729 leaves sort of sarcastic and dismissive. Hahaha, anyone who 268 00:15:14,729 --> 00:15:18,779 thinks COVID is serious is a moron unquote. It's really 269 00:15:18,779 --> 00:15:19,319 painful. I 270 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,670 Adam Curry: don't think we've ever said that. 271 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,730 John C. Dvorak: We've never said that we don't play the own. 272 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:27,990 There's no such thing as COVID and we spent COVID spent there 273 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:29,760 are websites that do that we spent 274 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,490 Adam Curry: an inordinate amount of time in the first two months. 275 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:36,660 In fact, I was almost Dr. Burks skirt with their numbers until I 276 00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:39,930 found out that she was a fraud, and that they were defrauding 277 00:15:39,930 --> 00:15:44,130 the people were their numbers. So we've been very, very, very 278 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:47,250 much on this. I've never said that. Hahaha, anyone who 279 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:49,950 believes in it is morons, I'd love to hear that piece. 280 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:53,160 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you find me a clip. It's really painful. 281 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,450 She continues, it hasn't been as bad as the past few shows. The 282 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:01,170 past few shows have been, it hasn't been as bad as the pat. 283 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,350 Last show. We didn't even talk about COVID. But okay. But I 284 00:16:04,350 --> 00:16:07,470 have to say as much as I may have vehemently disagreed with 285 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:10,020 one or both your views in the past, this is the first time 286 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:14,250 I've ever felt ashamed to be connected with the show. I could 287 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:16,770 Adam Curry: not sleep from that from that one line. 288 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:20,370 John C. Dvorak: I know I love you guys. But I need to get that 289 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:23,490 off my chest. Another couple of quick things that she she just 290 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:25,290 talks about and 95 masks 291 00:16:25,349 --> 00:16:31,289 Adam Curry: if I can just say. So we've all suffered through 292 00:16:31,289 --> 00:16:33,959 this. And many people suffer through other things. You know, 293 00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:36,599 we laugh about homelessness yet deal with it. And many of our 294 00:16:36,599 --> 00:16:41,009 producers are homeless at the moment. We laugh about stupidity 295 00:16:41,009 --> 00:16:44,879 when it comes to the opioid overdoses, which you haven't 296 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:46,379 heard much of right now. 297 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,300 John C. Dvorak: Which is, which is getting worse by a series of 298 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:52,740 clips. If we wanted to discuss that. 299 00:16:52,770 --> 00:16:55,770 Adam Curry: Well, we shall. But I just want to finish that. If 300 00:16:55,770 --> 00:17:00,510 you want sympathy, and oh, it's horrible, then you just can turn 301 00:17:00,510 --> 00:17:05,250 on the television. If you want to at least be able to laugh 302 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:09,060 with two people who don't take themselves all that seriously, 303 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:12,660 and laugh about everything, then you have to be prepared at a 304 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:17,400 certain moment. There's going to be something that affects you or 305 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,010 that you've been affected by and it's not going to be that funny. 306 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:25,980 John C. Dvorak: It's just not. Now a couple of things. Well, 307 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:27,930 Adam Curry: we'd love to have Tanya otherwise. I mean, this is 308 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,060 John C. Dvorak: I'll give her some slack for one reason. 309 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,380 Adam Curry: She's okay, she's in New York. It's insane right now. 310 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:37,140 John C. Dvorak: Well, and what not only is it insane in New 311 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:40,860 York, it always has been. She's got a mayor who's who's a 312 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:45,660 lunatic and a governor who's who's an idiot. And she has she 313 00:17:45,660 --> 00:17:51,120 is surrounded by New York media. Yes. So you can't walk outside. 314 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,700 You can't take a walk down the street. If you can't have 315 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:58,380 chicken wings. You can't do anything without being inundated 316 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:02,160 with his negative. I mean, New York is like a test tube for 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,870 this. Yeah, just the New York Times is bowl shed and the New 318 00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:10,110 York New York Daily News. Most of the Trump haters we don't 319 00:18:10,110 --> 00:18:12,810 even bring them up in the conversation much everyone 320 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:16,290 trying to like Biden and you're surrounded by this in New York 321 00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:20,430 and everybody I know in New York is borderline nuts Yes. 322 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,600 Adam Curry: I was gonna say Tom Starkweather you know Tom he's 323 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:28,500 he's been holed up in in New York with his with his partner 324 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:34,260 Alexandra and he it's so bad right now he says all when 325 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:37,050 people when New Yorkers are outside all they talk about his 326 00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:43,200 The Nut Job restaurant policies. The the the housing prices, it's 327 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,520 so bad he had to make a mix. It's just so and all this. What 328 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,490 is a restaurant? What is a bar? What is food what you can eat 329 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:54,450 what you can't eat? It's it's that that's really showing how 330 00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:58,230 nutty it is. And the mainstream, including probably your New York 331 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:00,840 media, New York, one would be a great would be the worst I'm 332 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:07,140 thinking is the city with the worst death toll is lauded as 333 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:11,850 the best performer. And if you look at Texas and Florida on the 334 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:15,780 list of us just match it up against countries where that 335 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:21,390 down like 25 with New York number one more than that's per 336 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:26,760 per million people. So and we're the idiots and look at us. I 337 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,270 mean, this is all political. And you're right. Slack needs to be 338 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:33,630 given because you're being played, you're being programmed 339 00:19:33,660 --> 00:19:36,780 you are being and we'll have several instances in this show 340 00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:39,570 when it comes to big pharmaceutical industries and 341 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:43,530 the Chinese. Why you're either not being informed or 342 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:46,710 misinformed, because the mainstream media is just 343 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:49,800 shutting up about some of the most important things happening 344 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,680 right now and taking you right back down the fear porn path. 345 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,730 And they're good and it's happening everywhere. In the UK. 346 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:02,670 Oh my god, the end of the world almost and of the world, Boris 347 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:07,530 Johnson. Apparently testing is up something is up in Spain. So 348 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,170 where did where does everybody go when they live in the UK on 349 00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:14,730 the island, they want to take their valuable pound and go over 350 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:17,640 to invade Europe, which they've never been able to do invade 351 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,810 Europe. And, you know, and be Brits on the beaches of Portugal 352 00:20:21,810 --> 00:20:26,400 and Spain and Greece, etc. Well now because of the horrible 353 00:20:26,430 --> 00:20:31,230 uptick, all of a sudden Boris Johnson says, Oh, you have when 354 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:35,340 you come back, you have to quarantine self quarantine for 355 00:20:35,340 --> 00:20:41,580 two weeks. And the Brits who haven't gone yet are incredibly 356 00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:46,650 pissed off. And why because the testing more than doing the 357 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:53,430 ramping up the test is the same, the exact same rollout that the 358 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:57,330 media is doing their masks are now mandatory in almost every 359 00:20:57,330 --> 00:21:00,510 single country. My nephew's sent me a note yesterday says oh, 360 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:03,420 man, they're talking tech and second wave, they're talking 361 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:07,350 shut down that's in the Netherlands. We're being played. 362 00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:11,820 It's obvious the numbers don't add up. 363 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,220 John C. Dvorak: Well, they definitely are contradictory. 364 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:21,300 The numbers were given from one source or another are slanted in 365 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:24,780 weird ways. They use a lot of percentage thing that that 366 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:29,430 report that you did with growth was a good example. You've got a 367 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:32,190 little area that's got, you know, a small hospital and 368 00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:35,430 apparently nobody can. You're in the middle of you're in a part 369 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:39,150 of Texas, and I guess is so far away from every single 370 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:41,940 metropolitan area in the entire state that you can move into 371 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:44,880 another hospital, they've got airlifts going already. You have 372 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,180 you can't all you got to know now is death panel, not 373 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:55,470 possible. Not possible, they're gonna die at home. And this kind 374 00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:58,050 of thing is out of control. And it's just continuing for the 375 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:01,860 purposes of electing Joe Biden. Now, I don't care what Yes, 376 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:06,120 people do. We never said COVID does exist. It's lab creation. 377 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:10,770 So it's impossible to deal with. And I have no evidence to the 378 00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:13,470 contrary, that it's not a lab creation, except for the one 379 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:17,040 letter to the editor that was in one of the magazines, which we 380 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,390 discussed before. And so this thing is created by the Chinese 381 00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:26,520 or in conjunction with us, I believe, possibly. Just none of 382 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,670 this is provable, but it's just here. You can, you can 383 00:22:29,670 --> 00:22:30,360 deconstruct it. 384 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Adam Curry: Here's the here's the thing that concerns me. And 385 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,830 this was Ted Ross on Friday. So Ted Ross is the non doctor who 386 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:42,510 calls himself Dr. Ted Ross, the shill in the World Health 387 00:22:42,510 --> 00:22:45,720 Organization. And he gave his little speech, I just took the 388 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,600 first minute and 20 seconds, and you'll get the idea of very 389 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,660 quickly where he's pushing all of this towards Good morning. 390 00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:54,300 Unknown: Good afternoon, and good evening. 391 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:56,130 Adam Curry: He is the most important man in the world, 392 00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:58,260 which is why you need to address every time zone, 393 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:02,580 Unknown: more than 15 million cases of COVID 19 have now been 394 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:08,850 reported to who and almost 620,000, there's doubt many 395 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:13,380 deaths. As we have said previously, political leadership 396 00:23:13,380 --> 00:23:17,940 and community engagement are the two vital pillars of the 397 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:18,660 response. 398 00:23:19,199 --> 00:23:22,859 Adam Curry: So it's not about testing not about vaccines, 399 00:23:22,859 --> 00:23:25,949 therapeutics, it's leadership again, leadership. 400 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:29,760 Unknown: One of the tools governments can use is the law, 401 00:23:29,790 --> 00:23:34,800 the law not to coerce, but to protect health, while protecting 402 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:40,140 human rights. Yesterday, who the United Nations Development 403 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:46,800 Programme UNDP and Georgetown University launched the COVID-19 404 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:47,580 low lab. 405 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:49,500 Adam Curry: This He probably can't understand what he's 406 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:56,040 saying. He says, Oh, they launch in conjunction with Washington, 407 00:23:56,070 --> 00:24:01,230 George Washington University, they launched the law lab. So 408 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:04,320 there's a lab for law, the law lab, 409 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:09,570 Unknown: database of laws that countries have implemented in 410 00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:13,950 response to the pandemic. It includes state of emergency 411 00:24:13,950 --> 00:24:18,030 declarations, quarantine measures, disease, surveillance, 412 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:22,890 legal measures relating to mask wearing physical distancing, and 413 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:26,070 access to medication and vaccines. 414 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:29,250 Adam Curry: So what they've done is they've, they're now helping 415 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,700 everyone say, Well, look, if you need a law for maths just come 416 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,760 to the lab law. It's pre written, you can just plug it 417 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,730 right into your own little constitution whatever you want. 418 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,720 We're here for you. 419 00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:43,200 Unknown: When design lows can help to build strong health 420 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,730 systems, evaluate and approve safe and effective drugs and 421 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:52,620 vaccines and enforce actions to create healthier and safer 422 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,710 public spaces and workplaces. 423 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:58,140 Adam Curry: This is the harmonization this they're all 424 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:01,890 on the New World Order a train I got right Mr. Give everyone the 425 00:25:01,890 --> 00:25:09,780 same laws. Yeah, it's complete. It's I know, it seems pretty 426 00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:13,110 obvious to me what they want to do. I don't know how far they're 427 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:13,680 gonna get. 428 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,990 John C. Dvorak: They're not gonna get this far as not this. 429 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:16,170 No, 430 00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:18,090 Adam Curry: not this time around, that's for sure. Oh, but 431 00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:20,370 John C. Dvorak: they keep taking shots at his shots on goal. 432 00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:22,530 That's good. Yeah, we finally get your score. 433 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:24,690 Adam Curry: Well, let me tell you where where the scary shot 434 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:28,770 came from me one of our EMT No, I'm not sure exactly where he 435 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:33,330 works, sent me the newest ICD 10 codes. Are you familiar with the 436 00:25:33,330 --> 00:25:34,560 ICD 10 codes? 437 00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:36,840 John C. Dvorak: No, you have? Oh, yeah, I know that what 438 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,510 you're talking about? It's 10 for 1020? No, no, no, 439 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,140 Adam Curry: no, this the 10 codes. ICD 10 is the 10th 440 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:46,200 revision of the International Statistical Classification of 441 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,840 Disease and related health problems. So it's an 442 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:55,230 international code for every single ailment and treatment 443 00:25:55,230 --> 00:26:00,660 therefore, so that there's no confusion if it's an ICD 10 code 444 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:03,120 that it says something that's then that's going to be 445 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,300 standardized across the world. This comes from the who they 446 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:07,050 publish it. 447 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:11,100 John C. Dvorak: And this is done for the purposes of billing, it 448 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:11,580 billing 449 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:17,400 Adam Curry: and for distribution and for your patient record. And 450 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,510 so our producer sent me the new codes that have just been added 451 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:26,940 to the ICD 10. And I will just, I don't need to give you all the 452 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,330 the actual codes but I'll tell you what they mean. So there's 453 00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:35,580 one code for has immunity to COVID 19 virus, one high 454 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:38,970 priority for COVID 19 virus vaccination, so this would be 455 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:42,690 attached to you, you would get this code, which means you have 456 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:47,310 a priority to get the vaccine. There's a code for if you have 457 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:51,150 the history of 2019 novel Corona virus disease, so that would be 458 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:57,690 antibodies. But then there's also virus not detected. Virus 459 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,510 test result. I can't read it so small equivocal virus test 460 00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:10,380 result unknown virus vaccination contraint dicted virus 461 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:14,190 vaccination Dieter indicated I'm sorry, thank you contrary into 462 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:15,930 what does that mean, contraindicated 463 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:19,380 John C. Dvorak: means you can't make this like this drug is 464 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:21,480 country indicating if you're taking that drug? 465 00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:25,950 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. And then my favorite is COVID-19 virus 466 00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:30,000 vaccination declined. So that will be on your record if you 467 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,600 declined to have it. And that stinks. Yes, there's also a 468 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,730 vaccination not done and vaccination not available. Yeah, 469 00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:42,150 that does 470 00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:44,490 John C. Dvorak: the you know the records belong to you. You can 471 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:47,820 take pull those records is just bury I'm sure. Of course. Yeah. 472 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:52,770 No. You know, we didn't do I had a clip is gone. I've just 473 00:27:52,770 --> 00:27:56,010 remembered couple shows ago, we should mention it just is we're 474 00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:59,580 going to discuss just a little bit more now that they've been 475 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:04,350 looking at blood tests over the last six or seven months, just 476 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,540 random blood tests is just a blood because people are getting 477 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:09,630 their blood tests all the time. Right. And they've now think 478 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:13,950 that half the population has been has COVID antibodies. Sure. 479 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:18,120 I believe it's probably true. And the other thing is now the 480 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,500 other thing that doesn't get discussed, I've noticed is that 481 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:25,620 COVID wishes a related to the cold you know, just a common 482 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,440 cold this time of year in particular as they this is a 483 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,240 summer colds or COVID or Coronavirus, viruses semi 484 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:39,390 similar and it they haven't they haven't been discussing a number 485 00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:44,760 of factors about you can't for example, there is no vaccine 486 00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:48,030 against the corona virus that causes the common cold. No, 487 00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:52,200 they've not been able to get they can't make one does anyone 488 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,870 actually honestly think they're gonna make one for this is 489 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,290 Coronavirus, you can make the vaccine against doesn't seem to 490 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,250 respond. And secondly, which they've stopped talking about 491 00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:04,470 they started. They talked about it a couple of months ago. They 492 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:07,650 don't talk about it anymore. I don't know why they're doing 493 00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:10,590 this. I mean, the media makes these decisions. The editorial 494 00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:15,240 level, you catch the common cold a lot. You don't catch it once 495 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,430 you catch it again and again. And again. That's the nature of 496 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:20,160 this. Some people don't catch it at all, but some people catch it 497 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,430 all the time. Yeah. So is that going to be the same thing? I 498 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:25,170 mean, that's what they were talking about earlier. If you 499 00:29:25,170 --> 00:29:27,300 remember what we're talking about. I think that's it over 500 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:27,930 and over and over. I 501 00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:31,230 Adam Curry: think that's why you're seeing gates and Fauci 502 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:35,640 backpedaling a little first of all, I'm now almost I'm semi 503 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,120 convinced the President is gaslighting. And he said, Oh, 504 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,700 it's gonna be great. We're gonna have a vaccine very soon because 505 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,550 he knows it's not going to come. And he just wants to show them 506 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,460 all what failures they are that may fit into some strategy that 507 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:50,940 I'm looking at that that is possible. He certainly can't 508 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:54,120 actually believe that's going to happen. And he I would say, 509 00:29:54,450 --> 00:30:00,450 considering how smart I think he is. That's pretty dumb. And 510 00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:06,450 they're now saying, well, it may be 50% might have 50% efficacy, 511 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:10,770 you'll probably have to take one booster or three next year. And 512 00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:13,680 of course, it's just another flu shot is what they're making 513 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,980 another damn flu shot only a little more urgency behind this 514 00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:18,960 one. And you got some cool codes. 515 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:23,910 John C. Dvorak: Well with Trump, I kind of agree because you did 516 00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:26,700 one point he always has your mayor. He's not a trusting 517 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:27,330 person. 518 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600 Adam Curry: No. And he's sounding real confident about 519 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,150 this. Oh, yeah. Vaccines great, is great. And so 520 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:34,890 John C. Dvorak: he's not a trusting person. So he has so 521 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:37,770 many family members and very close confidants working with 522 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:41,340 him. He does eventually he does eventually trust people. I think 523 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:45,120 like Mnuchin I think he trusts right to the limit. Yeah. And, 524 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:50,040 and Wilbur, probably, but the rest of them do everyone else 525 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,680 that works for him. It's like, you know, show me what you can 526 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,730 do. And then you get fired and you get replaced, like crazy, 527 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,310 which is a management style people always like to condemn 528 00:30:59,310 --> 00:31:03,570 Him for but saw you might be right, maybe he just thinks 529 00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,300 he's, he's gaslighting everybody 530 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:10,290 Adam Curry: possible. Then he always falls back to say, but 531 00:31:10,290 --> 00:31:12,690 you know, the therapeutics, I'm really excited about the 532 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:15,870 therapeutics, he's really what he he always says remdesivir He 533 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:18,240 really means hydroxy, Chloroquine. Even Newsweek had a 534 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,660 big story about how effective hydroxy Chloroquine was, I 535 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:26,460 thought it was gonna fall off my chair. I know you have a couple 536 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:29,640 of clips, maybe just since we're talking about the vaccine, I I 537 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,530 thought it was pretty funny. Gates was on with Bill Gates, 538 00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:39,210 Dr. Bill was on with Anderson Cooper and Sanjay Gupta. And I 539 00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:45,000 think the idea of the segment was to tell everybody not to 540 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,200 listen to conspiracy theorists who are saying horrible and fake 541 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,300 news things about Dr. Bill, but it kind of turned into me was 542 00:31:54,300 --> 00:32:00,870 very weird. And starts off with Cooper with this intro. It's 543 00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:03,600 obvious they want everyone to believe in the vaccine and 544 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,910 that's why bill is there. But it took I just think it took a 545 00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:08,910 weird turn. Here's here's Anderson Cooper setting it up. 546 00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:12,390 It's three of them on the box. Dr. Bill Anderson Cooper and 547 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:15,720 Sanjay Gupta that a picture of that showed up calling that 548 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,530 medical experts which I had to tweet that it was so hilarious, 549 00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:23,190 because I don't think Anderson Cooper or Dr. Bill are actual 550 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:26,250 medical experts. But let's have a listen to the intro. The top 551 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:28,230 John C. Dvorak: 10 videos that spread lies about you hit it 552 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:30,840 almost 5 million views. It's also pointed out that according 553 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,080 to signal Labs, which is a media analysis company that tracks 554 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,710 this misinformation about you as the most widespread of all 555 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:42,780 Coronavirus, falsehoods. So there's a conspiracy. Wait, 556 00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:43,080 wait. 557 00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:46,830 I missed the premise. What 558 00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:50,520 Adam Curry: the premise is about conspiracy theories. No, 559 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,470 John C. Dvorak: but can you just start it over? 560 00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:57,030 Adam Curry: Right. So he's, he's talking about how many videos of 561 00:32:57,030 --> 00:33:01,680 conspiracy minded videos of Bill Gates are online. And so like, 562 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,730 John C. Dvorak: it's about Bill Gates. It's 563 00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:04,500 Adam Curry: about Bill Yeah, it's about Bill but that's 564 00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:05,370 started over 565 00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:06,900 John C. Dvorak: for me please. You got it to top 566 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,870 10 videos that spread lies about you hit it almost 5 million 567 00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:12,840 views. It's also pointed out that according to zig no Labs, 568 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,000 which is a media analysis company that tracks this 569 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,110 misinformation about you as the most widespread Coronavirus 570 00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:25,290 false falsehoods. So there's a conspiracy theory that one, one 571 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:28,920 of our viewers asked about, I just want to play that that 572 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,250 sounds 573 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Unknown: what would you say to the fringe portions of the 574 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,630 public, like conspiracy theorists that seem to think 575 00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:39,030 that you're somehow responsible for the outbreak? 576 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:45,600 John C. Dvorak: This is so good. Love it. 577 00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:47,519 Adam Curry: Let's bring in some audience. It'll look really 578 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:48,179 authentic. 579 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,100 Unknown: There's also a conspiracy theory that you're 580 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,230 pushing vaccines because you're going to inject people with a 581 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:54,990 tracking device when they get the vaccine. It's all it's all 582 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:59,460 part of a so called globalist plot to control the world. Q 583 00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:02,580 anon. are, you know, which is actually a group that's been 584 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,700 targeting me as well lately? Oh, they're claiming goods lead that 585 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,800 I'm somehow connected with Jeffrey Epstein and global 586 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,430 Kabbalists of sex traffickers? It's insane. What what do you 587 00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:13,920 say to people who believe this stuff? Because I'm not sure why 588 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200 you have to throw that in a second to do with it. 589 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,210 Adam Curry: That's what's interesting about these three 590 00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:21,900 clips is He keeps talking about himself and and it comes back to 591 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:25,080 himself. So he's very, and I did look at the manifest that, you 592 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,560 know, I don't think Anderson Cooper is indeed on the Jeffrey 593 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,270 Epstein flight manifest. 594 00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:33,060 John C. Dvorak: No, but he may be in the testimony and in the 595 00:34:33,060 --> 00:34:34,770 documents that they're gonna release. 596 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,940 Adam Curry: I know, the unsealed testimony, what's finished here? 597 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:40,740 Unknown: What do you say to people who believe this stuff? 598 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:42,990 Because I mean, I'm sure you are inundated. But 599 00:34:42,990 --> 00:34:45,840 Adam Curry: that's interesting. The question he asked is What do 600 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,660 you say to people who believe this stuff right after he says 601 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:51,540 that he was with the he was hanging out with Jeffrey 602 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:55,320 Epstein. It's interesting that he leads with that for this 603 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,160 question, that I'm 604 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,950 somehow connected with Jeffrey Epstein and global Kabbalists of 605 00:34:58,950 --> 00:35:02,400 sex traffickers. It's insane. What what do you say to people 606 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,690 who believe this stuff? Because now he's 607 00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:06,720 asking the guy who actually wants Oh, he's asking the guy 608 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,400 who was on the jet, I think six or seven times, maybe even more, 609 00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:15,600 even after he was convicted. So Cooper is bringing this up. 610 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,830 Because somehow he feels some kinship with Bill and I think 611 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:23,160 he's hoping for Bill to debunk it or something because Anderson 612 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,840 is being targeted. This is his problem. 613 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:29,430 John C. Dvorak: Oh, hold on a second. Up. How about the idea 614 00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:35,640 another idea? Okay. Which is that Anderson is warning bill. 615 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:41,190 Adam Curry: No, let's go through the clips and we'll see. Okay, 616 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:41,580 Steven 617 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:45,120 global Kabbalists of sex traffickers. It's insane. What 618 00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:47,310 what do you say to people who believe this stuff because I 619 00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,970 mean, I'm sure you are inundated by I am by people direct 620 00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:53,250 messaging me just insane stuff. 621 00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:57,360 Okay, so that's his intro more about him really than Bill more 622 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,080 about him than vaccines. But let's let Bill get to it. I did 623 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,020 take out some pauses or edited here and there, I took out a 624 00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:09,300 couple of the air and you can actually see his in a waveform. 625 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,540 It looks like an exacto knife is very interesting. Oh, here we 626 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:14,760 Unknown: go. Yeah, the combination of having social 627 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,670 media, spreading things that are very titillating to have this 628 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:23,340 pandemic where people are uncertain. And, you know, 629 00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:27,360 they're there, they prefer to have a simple explanation. It's 630 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,770 meant that these things are really millions of messages a 631 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:37,050 day. And people like myself and Dr. Fauci become the target, 632 00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:41,040 often the clever thing they do, you know, our foundation has 633 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,680 given more money to buy vaccines to save lives, than any group. 634 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:49,680 You know, so you just turn that around, you say, Okay, we're 635 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,800 making money, and we're trying to kill people with vaccines, or 636 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,510 by inventing something, 637 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,930 Adam Curry: what what part did did not make sense that he just 638 00:36:57,930 --> 00:36:58,590 said that we 639 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,950 Unknown: all have it. And at least it's true. We're 640 00:37:01,950 --> 00:37:04,800 associated with vaccines, but you actually, you know, sort of 641 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,170 flipped that connection that we have there. And I'm, I hope it 642 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:13,740 doesn't create vaccine hesitancy. I hope, you know, 643 00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:17,370 this whole story of innovation that's going on that we do get 644 00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:20,070 the benefit of that it's the really the only good news I'm 645 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:24,540 bringing you today is that the diagnostic therapeutic comeback 646 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:29,730 seen innovation, these amazing private sector companies without 647 00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:33,540 the coordination who would like but they are doing it? 648 00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:37,200 Adam Curry: Oh, you hear that? You see, because the think the 649 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,800 company that is out of the gate first is not part of the GAVI 650 00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:44,610 Alliance. So that's where he slips in the well wasn't with 651 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,520 the coordination we would have liked because it he didn't get 652 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,950 to coordinate it because it was the chairman scenes 653 00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:52,740 Unknown: without the coordination who would have 654 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:58,050 liked but they are doing it. And I do think people on the 655 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,110 therapeutic side will be surprised. And you know, these 656 00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:03,840 are well meaning people, you know, this is a time where 657 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,490 people are doing great work. And you know, so I hope that 658 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:13,710 conspiracy stuff dies down. It's, it's really, the numbers 659 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:17,310 kind of blow my mind. And it's not just the fringe people that 660 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:19,560 you would normally think of, 661 00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:24,870 Adam Curry: oh, it's not just the fringe people. So I detect a 662 00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:28,710 little bit of sad about well, let's see the foil because it's 663 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:31,350 not just the fringe people he thinks that there's other people 664 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,910 who are what he says vaccine hesitancy, that's a nice 665 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:38,400 John C. Dvorak: word is also going to surprise the 666 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,750 therapeutic people has 667 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:41,940 Adam Curry: no idea what he meant by that. But let's play 668 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:44,010 the last clip and maybe we will learn more. 669 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:46,500 John C. Dvorak: It's not at all I mean, I can tell you I get 670 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,990 stuff from people who seem you know, they have lives they have 671 00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:51,420 families. I don't think they genuinely believe this and 672 00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:54,900 they've just been misled. You know, and for me, it's I you 673 00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,660 know, I they claim my mind I was on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane 674 00:38:57,660 --> 00:39:00,270 and going to his island with Tom Hanks or I mean just sitting 675 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:01,800 just insane, crazy stuff. 676 00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:05,280 Adam Curry: So is it insane? If Tom Hanks went by himself? 677 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,330 Without you? Is it then not insane? Or is it just insane? 678 00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:11,010 Because you were with Tom Hanks? 679 00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:13,410 Unknown: Why is 680 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:16,080 John C. Dvorak: he with this is a bill he's got no you nailed 681 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,040 this. He has got some C seriously worried, says Fox 682 00:39:20,070 --> 00:39:22,440 Adam Curry: and Bill Gates will refer to him at the end of this 683 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,550 clip. Tom Hanks 684 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:25,560 Unknown: are I mean, he's just sitting just insane. Crazy 685 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,790 stuff. What do you I mean, do you think I know internet 686 00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:34,230 companies are looking at this. Do you wish that they would play 687 00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:36,060 a role in taking stuff down? 688 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:39,390 Adam Curry: Please delete the stuff that says I'm evil, 689 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,120 Unknown: just demonstrably false. Because I mean, it does 690 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:48,240 have real world parts, you know, does have real world impact on 691 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,330 vaccines or, you know, a nut showing up to a pizza parlor in 692 00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:52,170 Washington DC. 693 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,990 Okay, all right. Yeah, in some cases, they are taking things 694 00:39:54,990 --> 00:40:01,890 down. It it's a bad combination, a pandemic And social media and 695 00:40:01,890 --> 00:40:03,630 Adam Curry: pick because they can't You can't control the 696 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:06,420 messaging bill. That's why it's a bad combination, 697 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,290 Unknown: a pandemic, and social media and people looking for 698 00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:15,510 very simple explanation who's the bad guy here. And a lot of 699 00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:19,590 that's been connected to politics, more in the US than in 700 00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:25,050 other locations. And in of course, vaccines weren't popular 701 00:40:25,050 --> 00:40:29,490 with everybody even before this all all started. So I, you know, 702 00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:34,530 I'm big believer in getting the truth out and it but it's kind 703 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:41,040 of not as titillating to say, you know, Cooper's innocent. Oh, 704 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,550 well, 705 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:46,530 Adam Curry: why, why does he bring you back to Cooper 706 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:50,940 Cooper's innocent. I think what Bill is saying is, bro, you're 707 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:52,860 in the same boat as me. Listen, 708 00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:56,100 Unknown: it's kind of not as titillating to say, you know, 709 00:40:56,910 --> 00:41:03,000 Cooper's innocent. Oh, well, you know, that's not as exciting. 710 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:10,470 You don't forward that to quite as many people as you do. The 711 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:11,580 the accusation. 712 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,940 Adam Curry: Think Bill was just saying that. I mean, why did 713 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:23,400 Andersen not say why your name was also on the flight log. It's 714 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,140 not like he doesn't know this. 715 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:27,660 John C. Dvorak: They're talking to Gupta and gates about 716 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:31,680 vaccines. And Anderson Cooper keeps coming back to his role in 717 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,750 the Epstein affair. It's like it's so it's like, he's, this is 718 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:37,800 really bad. 719 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,940 Adam Curry: It's bad if you got something to hide which kind of 720 00:41:41,940 --> 00:41:44,220 oh, man, Cooper feels is 721 00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:46,740 John C. Dvorak: nobody knows what she said. The thing that's 722 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:49,200 coming out is we have some clips about the side effect. I have a 723 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,740 series of clips about this thing. Oh, good. Yeah, I got the 724 00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:57,420 whole thing. I got a I got a very good report from ABC that 725 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:59,460 discusses what's going to happen, how it's going to 726 00:41:59,460 --> 00:42:02,520 happen, and what is going to happen with the people that are 727 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,780 the John Doe's that are going to be named. Right. And it's very 728 00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:09,300 interesting. And I think Cooper's freaked out because he 729 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:13,350 thinks he's one of them. And there's 100 of them, there's 100 730 00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:18,630 of them. We'll play that with this. But Well, meanwhile, I 731 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:22,980 just we're, we've kind of kind of slipped slipped away from 732 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:26,460 COVID, I want to I want to play something that's that's kind of 733 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,420 on topic. We'll go back to COVID. But I want to play this. 734 00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:34,260 This is a long clip. But this is Jordan Peterson, who this is 735 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:37,800 from somebody on earth this hour and a half discussion with this 736 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,260 horrible woman from from GQ magazine in London, and of the 737 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:47,040 British version now is this. Is this new or old? It's from No, 738 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,730 it's from 2019. I think maybe it may even be from earlier, maybe 739 00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:54,300 for 2018. But it's within the last two years. And it was I've 740 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:57,090 never seen it before. I've seen most of his stuff. And he has 741 00:42:57,090 --> 00:43:01,530 just mad at her. And he's just giving a tour. But in the middle 742 00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:06,030 of it. He goes on a kind of a sidebar, discussing Twitter that 743 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:08,880 I thought which is a social network that causes these same 744 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,780 problems. And I don't think this is complete, because it's not a 745 00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:16,170 sociological study. But it's a clip that's worth listening to, 746 00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:18,540 because it gives us a little more insight, or at least some 747 00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,080 thoughts. And it also kind of explained away. The reason I 748 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,470 kind of stopped posting on Twitter, I still post to the 749 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:29,340 show obvious notices for the show. But I don't I don't go 750 00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,710 back and forth on it, because it's just a waste of my time. 751 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,140 But let's let's listen to Jordan Peterson. Here's 752 00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:36,480 Adam Curry: the strange social network, I've kind of pulled 753 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,290 myself away from it. So it's not an easy place to conduct 754 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:44,700 yourself with as much grace as you might. And I think it's, 755 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,170 it's sort of rewards impulsivity, because it's, maybe 756 00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:52,740 it's because of the constraint on characters, or something like 757 00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:57,150 that. So I think that people tend to show their worst on 758 00:43:57,150 --> 00:44:00,990 Twitter. And, and, and some of that's a consequence of the of 759 00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:02,250 the structure of the technology. 760 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:04,230 I think I certainly agree with you. I think that's something 761 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:06,390 that we agree on that I think people are really at their best 762 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:07,140 on Twitter. No. 763 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,570 And you know, I pulled myself away from it quite a lot in the 764 00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:15,600 last month, mostly for to see why, you know, I kind of kept an 765 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,660 eye on Twitter, all the social medias, media networks for the 766 00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:24,150 last few years, partly, to see. Well, I'm trying to monitor 767 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,600 what's happening around me, I suppose is probably the right 768 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,950 way of thinking about and to see if I'm making mistakes and how 769 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:38,010 they might be rectified. But I don't think Twitter's been good 770 00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:41,850 for me. And I don't think it's I don't think the reply function 771 00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:44,850 on Twitter is useful. And I think the fact that so many 772 00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:49,110 people on Twitter are anonymous is not a good thing at all. 773 00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:52,140 Do you think you'd be less angry if you weren't on Twitter? 774 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:55,170 That's something I think that'd be just I would come into 775 00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:57,420 contact with less things that annoyed me on a daily basis. 776 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,400 Or I think there's no doubt about that? Yeah, yeah, I think 777 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,800 that's definitely the case. And I've talked to other people 778 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960 who've pulled back from Twitter and experienced the same thing. 779 00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:10,080 I don't know what it is exactly. But there's a there's something 780 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,110 about Twitter that seems to really heighten the desire of 781 00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:18,150 people to be provocative. And maybe it's the case that only 782 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,390 people who are feeling irritable, respond, you know, we 783 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:24,480 don't know, you know, like, if you put up a post, and 1000 784 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,110 people read it, certainly 1000 People don't respond. A few 785 00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:32,190 people respond. Well, maybe, maybe it skews way over to those 786 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:35,430 people who had a bad day. Like we have no idea, right? Because 787 00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:39,480 it's a communication channel that no one understands. We're 788 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,720 not evolved to understand it. We're not evolved to use it. We 789 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,450 don't We can't interpret it. Plus, you're interacting with 790 00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:48,480 random strangers, which is something you never ever do. And 791 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,300 it's never the same set of random strangers and you don't 792 00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,570 react to Twitter. Like it's random strangers. You react to 793 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,920 Twitter, like it's a person that you know, and it isn't. 794 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,860 Why doesn't he just say that being on social media is 795 00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:08,040 basically a psychotic activity. Psychotic activity. He's working 796 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,340 on it. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Do you want to do any more COVID 797 00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:15,630 stuff because as I 798 00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:17,550 John C. Dvorak: do, I want to do some work. COVID stuff because I 799 00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:20,760 got some work. I got clips. Yeah, they're working COVID 800 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:26,760 Every which way now? Yes. Let's try a couple of a couple of 801 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,440 quickies. This is the COVID immigration This is relating 802 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,260 COVID to immigration. This is on Democracy Now of course, 803 00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:38,520 Unknown: and immigration news to whistleblowers at an ice prison 804 00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:42,360 in Louisiana, have revealed officers have knowingly deported 805 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,030 immigrants who had temperatures as high as 103 degrees 806 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:48,660 Fahrenheit and likely had COVID-19 by deceptively covering 807 00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:51,840 up their symptoms. Under ice policy immigrants with 808 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,290 temperatures above 99 degrees Fahrenheit cannot be deported. 809 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:57,810 But one of the whistleblowers says staff was instructed to 810 00:46:57,810 --> 00:47:01,440 blast an air conditioner to quote freeze them out so sick 811 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,870 immigrants could pass the temperature in order to be 812 00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:08,010 deported. The US continued to deport 1000s of people despite 813 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:11,130 their symptoms, contributing to a rapid spread of COVID 19 in 814 00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:14,430 Central America and Haiti. The whistleblowers work at the 815 00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:16,770 privately run Richwood Correctional Center in 816 00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:20,430 Louisiana, where at least 69 people have tested positive two 817 00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:24,000 guards have died. Mother Jones reports the whistleblowers also 818 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,300 alleged LaSalle corrections, the private prison company that runs 819 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:30,660 Richwood prohibited staff from wearing protective personal 820 00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:33,780 equipment forced guards who likely had COVID-19 to work 821 00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:36,750 while awaiting their test results and regularly exposed 822 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,930 healthy prisoners to people who had been exposed. 823 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,330 Adam Curry: I'm very disappointed in this report from 824 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,170 Amy. I think she could have at least added not that they're 825 00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:49,800 deporting is that putting these people with 103 degree 826 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,480 temperature in cages? And then freezing them out? That would 827 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,920 have been better. Come on. 828 00:47:56,129 --> 00:47:59,189 John C. Dvorak: They got me in that report was it's like one of 829 00:47:59,189 --> 00:48:01,709 these jokes where there's just one word out of place. And the 830 00:48:01,709 --> 00:48:05,159 word in this case was Haiti. Yeah, yeah. Are we getting 831 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,099 people down the southern border coming in from Haiti? How does 832 00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:12,239 that work there? swimmin. It doesn't make any sense. I 833 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:16,440 Adam Curry: think that since the earthquake, there's still a open 834 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,410 visa. So the people of Haiti are allowed to come to United States 835 00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:24,300 and just hang out. 836 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:28,260 John C. Dvorak: Well, that doesn't is not the same group. 837 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:36,240 Yes. Very poorly done. This job pumping the numbers to Let's 838 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,220 Play COVID cases doubles, 839 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:40,050 Adam Curry: doubles, everybody. 840 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,160 Unknown: Nationwide, the number of confirmed COVID 19 cases has 841 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,210 topped 4 million as the number of cases has doubled over the 842 00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:49,830 past six weeks. 843 00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:53,910 Adam Curry: It's so interesting that they just keep pushing it. 844 00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:59,580 Most people have kind of figured out like okay, I mean, yeah, the 845 00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:02,760 cases have doubled but just not the same. It doesn't feel the 846 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,980 same that I think the numbers don't look the same. 847 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,320 John C. Dvorak: They just keep this seven double No, they 848 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:11,580 Adam Curry: just got to throw in the end somewhere. A five year 849 00:49:11,580 --> 00:49:16,740 old child died in Texas. I mean, just say like that. Oh man, 850 00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:20,640 we're in trouble. This is this is massive mind control on the 851 00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,840 John C. Dvorak: here's a the last report I have here as this 852 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,150 is and I'm not sure where this came from this from last show. 853 00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:28,950 COVID cases Low 854 00:49:29,069 --> 00:49:31,319 Unknown: Country state. The Centers for Disease Control and 855 00:49:31,319 --> 00:49:35,039 Prevention revealed the actual number of Coronavirus infections 856 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:39,869 nationwide may be 24 times higher than the public. This 857 00:49:39,869 --> 00:49:42,419 comes as the Trump administration is proposing more 858 00:49:42,419 --> 00:49:46,049 federal funding for COVID 19 testing, the White House has 859 00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:51,149 refused to spend up to $8 billion already allocated for 860 00:49:51,149 --> 00:49:56,159 testing, even though many states and cities face severe testing 861 00:49:56,189 --> 00:49:57,959 shortages in this 862 00:49:57,990 --> 00:50:01,260 Adam Curry: the testing shortages. It says same over and 863 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:09,000 over again. I just don't see how it's true what shortage it's 864 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,690 like I from time to time I hear on MSNBC them still saying not 865 00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:18,270 enough PPE Are you kidding me now it's it's really it's this 866 00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:19,500 is just I think that they've 867 00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:22,230 John C. Dvorak: going to stretch it to November 868 00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:26,190 Adam Curry: yeah Germany braces for second wave amid rising 869 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:30,210 infections I thought Germany did everything perfectly to perfect 870 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:32,370 John C. Dvorak: because it's run by a woman 871 00:50:32,550 --> 00:50:40,380 Adam Curry: yes women do much better mask update I can tell 872 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:44,520 you I'm seeing the writing on the wall that bandanas and 873 00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:48,810 scarves and neck gators will be outlawed pretty soon 874 00:50:49,259 --> 00:50:52,139 John C. Dvorak: I'm seeing no yeah Nick Gator yeah I'm seeing 875 00:50:52,139 --> 00:50:55,619 local story got mine yet and I just got to be outlawed. 876 00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:58,800 Adam Curry: Well unfortunately the Disney Stores the outlaws 877 00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,040 were 878 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,500 John C. Dvorak: neck gators are so that's why we like it. 879 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,500 Adam Curry: The Disney Store refused one of our producers 880 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,530 entry they did offer him a a different mask. 881 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,220 John C. Dvorak: Your what? 882 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,390 Adam Curry: They offered him a a cloth mask. 883 00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:18,060 John C. Dvorak: So if you walk in with a mask they don't like 884 00:51:18,060 --> 00:51:19,740 they'll give you a free mask at 885 00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:24,900 Adam Curry: the Disney store. Yeah, apparently let's go need a 886 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:31,830 mask? That's a good one. Need a mask? Just walk on in? Let me 887 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:35,940 see that anything else here? No. I mean otherwise? Well, there's 888 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,140 some organization who's nonprofit one of our producers 889 00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:44,940 has been looking into masks for all hashtag masks for all 890 00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:49,410 they're pushing. They got about $400,000 to push masks. Tell 891 00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:51,720 everybody we should have masks everywhere all the time when we 892 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:56,520 outside just as standard fare. And did I have anything? Oh, 893 00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:06,540 yes. See on the on the on the vaccine side we have zhi shi 894 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,750 Jing ping, writing a thank you letter to Bill Gates for doing 895 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:13,410 such a fabulous job. I guess they're trying to combat some 896 00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:17,220 kind of bad information about Bill. And I'm seeing a lot more 897 00:52:17,250 --> 00:52:22,500 of the What's plan B, as the press is now you know, they 898 00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:26,010 don't really have any more news to work with. Running out of 899 00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:28,980 material they are running out. So old vaccine, when's the 900 00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:32,550 vaccine coming? The kind of you know, the vaccine like, oh, so 901 00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,730 it's exciting. It's, it's not exciting. Nothing's gonna happen 902 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,400 for months and months and months, if ever, as we already 903 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,180 discussed, something did happen yesterday. I just want to get 904 00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:46,740 this out of the way now. Because I think it's a it's an enormous 905 00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:52,140 thing that happened. Money wise for for American citizens. It 906 00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:57,720 was. I mean, it was not only not covered, it's expected not to be 907 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:00,780 covered. And yeah, yesterday when I was watching the 908 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:05,730 announcement, even Fox News, I don't think MSNBC and CNN were 909 00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:11,760 carrying it live. Fox News cut away from the President, that 910 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,820 the minute he started to give the details of what was actually 911 00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:17,640 going on. And there were I don't know if you heard about it, 912 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,120 because it wasn't really reported for executive orders 913 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,570 that the President announced and signed yesterday. Did you even 914 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:30,990 hear about this course not? For Executive Orders of massive 915 00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:35,640 magnitude, that, I think is a game changer, which makes sense 916 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,900 why none of the channels would carry it. The reason why Fox 917 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,950 News cut out at the moment, it became clear what was going on 918 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:46,830 and went straight to COVID coverage. Unfortunately, I 919 00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:49,800 didn't get any of that I was just too astounded by the boom 920 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,700 that were gone. Is because it was about the pharmaceutical 921 00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:58,290 industry, more importantly, drug prices. And I learned an 922 00:53:58,290 --> 00:54:01,950 incredible amount about the scam that's been going on for 30 923 00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:05,640 years, which the President has changed for at least until 924 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:11,280 November. And I think that's why he has he has several different 925 00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:15,750 executive orders that 112 and three and then the fourth one he 926 00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:19,740 might or might not sign but the minute it came down to the 927 00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:24,420 numbers the savings the American consumers of pharmaceuticals, 928 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,400 the minute he that that number was announced everyone who was 929 00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:33,120 carrying it cut away of course we can't have that with all the 930 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,530 advertising money come from the entire industry but certainly 931 00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:42,570 also the insurance industry who was really the bad actor in this 932 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,620 only will will will only going to focus on the back door of the 933 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,920 of the insurance industry. So it doesn't look like they're the 934 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,370 assholes. But let's get into the first executive order. The 935 00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:57,900 President announced yesterday and I can tell you exactly where 936 00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:59,310 that Fox News even cut out 937 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,470 John C. Dvorak: before Voters I'm signing today will 938 00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:05,160 completely restructure the prescription drug market in 939 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,430 terms of pricing and everything else to make these medications, 940 00:55:08,820 --> 00:55:12,780 affordable and accessible for all Americans. The first order 941 00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:16,920 will require federal community health centers to pass the giant 942 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,810 discounts they receive from drug companies on insulin and epi 943 00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:25,740 pens directly to their patients. You know, insulin became so 944 00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:28,200 expensive, people weren't able to use it, they desperately 945 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,500 needed it, we have it to a level that you're not going to believe 946 00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:35,190 epi pens. Likewise, you've been reading horrible stories about 947 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:39,150 epi pens over the last six, seven years horrible, horrible, 948 00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:42,990 horrible increases, where they went from almost nothing to 949 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:47,190 massive amounts of money. We're changing that right now. These 950 00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:50,010 providers should not be receiving discounts for 951 00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:54,390 themselves while charging their poorest patients. Massive full 952 00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:58,890 prices. Under this order, the price of insulin for affected 953 00:55:58,890 --> 00:56:03,060 patients will come down to just pennies a day, pennies a day. 954 00:56:03,090 --> 00:56:05,460 Adam Curry: This is where Fox News cut out, boom, they were 955 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:09,060 gone back to COVID-19. We've got problems in Texas, I wish I had 956 00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:13,140 clipped it, it was so obvious they had to go away the minute 957 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:16,200 he says hey, the price gonna come down to pennies a day 958 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,800 John C. Dvorak: for affected patients will come down to just 959 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,910 pennies a day pennies a day from numbers that you weren't even 960 00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:27,420 able to think about. It's a massive cost savings. 961 00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:31,320 Adam Curry: So this is obviously to get seniors on board and vote 962 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,680 for him. And the mechanism that's being used as 963 00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:40,740 interesting, I believe, somehow, when the Supreme Court issued 964 00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:48,750 the order that Trump could not deport DACA kids. There was some 965 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:53,490 there was some Supreme Court ruling. And they said, Okay, 966 00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:57,090 you, you can't do that or not in this manner. And I remember him 967 00:56:57,090 --> 00:57:01,050 tweeting and then yapping about how incredibly important this 968 00:57:01,050 --> 00:57:04,770 was because now the executive order power had just become that 969 00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:09,270 much stronger by an exponential number. And what he's doing here 970 00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:13,380 is cutting out the middleman going directly. And this is only 971 00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:15,690 for these two medications. But they're the ones that have been 972 00:57:15,690 --> 00:57:21,270 most associated with outrageous drug costs for the epi pens, and 973 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:24,180 for insulin ins and he had people coming up later with, you 974 00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:27,840 know, horrible sob stories have to take shitty insulin that they 975 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,900 can afford because the good insulin is too expensive for 976 00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:35,520 them. Now we go to the second executive order. This is 977 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:41,040 something that he promised years ago, and I guess some states 978 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,200 have already been working on it with him. He's going to law 979 00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:47,850 DeSantis of Florida for this. But this is allowing states to 980 00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:48,990 go direct. 981 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:51,480 John C. Dvorak: The second executive order I'm signing this 982 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,050 afternoon will allow states wholesalers and pharmacies to do 983 00:57:55,050 --> 00:57:59,070 something that politicians have promised for decades and decades 984 00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:03,030 but never done. They never delivered, we will finally allow 985 00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:06,510 the safe and illegal importation of prescription drugs from 986 00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:12,030 Canada and other countries where the price for the identical drug 987 00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:15,480 is incredibly lower. It's difference like you wouldn't 988 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:23,370 believe 70% 80% 90% 30% But massively lower than the 989 00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:27,000 identical drug made in the same plant the same factory, the same 990 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,880 exact drug, same everything, same box, same pill. And yet 991 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,220 it's 5060 70% Lower 992 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,620 Adam Curry: versus something that is what 993 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,540 John C. Dvorak: Bernie was all over this. 994 00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:42,300 Adam Curry: This is this is what gets me every single time. It's 995 00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:46,500 like, this is exactly what other candidates have been yapping 996 00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,410 about. And he just, of course, it's an executive order. It can 997 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,130 go away the minute Joe Biden is President, I'm sorry. He's 998 00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:55,650 admitted his vice president is this president I think could 999 00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:58,770 just cut it out, obviously. But this is exactly what everyone 1000 00:58:58,770 --> 00:59:00,240 was complaining about. And yet, 1001 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,140 John C. Dvorak: it's 5060 70% Lower. And this is something 1002 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:07,170 that Ron and I have been discussing. From the time Ron 1003 00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:11,250 got elected, and I've been wanting to do it. And it takes a 1004 00:59:11,250 --> 00:59:14,880 long time from a legal standpoint. And we've got it all 1005 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,480 worked out. 1006 00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:18,990 Adam Curry: So this, you know, there were laws for 30 years, 1007 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:22,230 pretty much maybe longer. There have been laws on the book that 1008 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:25,920 forbid it's the whole insurance market, the pharmaceutical 1009 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,490 market. It's very anti competitive. You they have 1010 00:59:29,490 --> 00:59:33,330 regions, states just can't go in and do a deal with another 1011 00:59:33,330 --> 00:59:36,510 state. Your insurance carrier can't operate in all states. 1012 00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:38,700 It's all divvied up. It's a huge cartel. 1013 00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:41,190 John C. Dvorak: And it's a scam. Well, 1014 00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:44,400 Adam Curry: it's a rigged system. And this third executive 1015 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:50,460 order is a doozy. I I really had no idea that this was going on 1016 00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:54,300 or how this works. And now that I've looked into it, it's the 1017 00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,080 big secret. 1018 00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:57,450 John C. Dvorak: The American people pay an average of over 1019 00:59:57,450 --> 01:00:01,650 three times more for medicine than the Canadian So many people 1020 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,590 go to Canada, I see it all the time they go to candidate buy 1021 01:00:04,590 --> 01:00:08,220 drugs, and then they come back prescription drugs because they 1022 01:00:08,220 --> 01:00:12,240 save so much money, the trip is well worth it. I'm unrig into a 1023 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,410 system that is many decades old, we're doing something that 1024 01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:18,930 should have been done a long time ago. The third 1025 01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:23,250 revolutionary order I'm signing today will prevent middle men 1026 01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:27,240 and women I guess. But you've heard about the middleman, 1027 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,880 right? The middleman that makes so much money. Nobody knows who 1028 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,100 they are. Nobody has any idea who they are. They make more 1029 01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:35,520 money, perhaps. And even the drug companies themselves and 1030 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,850 the drug companies in all fairness to them Big Pharma. And 1031 01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:41,190 they're doing a great job and the vaccines are doing a great 1032 01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:43,860 job and therapeutics, I can tell you because I deal with them a 1033 01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:46,650 lot. But I think that middlemen make more money than they do and 1034 01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:47,550 they don't do much. 1035 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:51,540 Adam Curry: Okay, so before I finished that clip, I found a 1036 01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:55,260 short instructional video, what the middlemen do, and the 1037 01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:58,830 middlemen have a name. They're called pharmacy benefit 1038 01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:03,300 managers. I'd never heard of this. But the pharmacy benefit 1039 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:08,400 managers are essentially a Data Project, a data warehouse, who 1040 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,930 sit in between your insurance company and the drugs that you 1041 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:16,560 need. And they manage everything they manage how much you're 1042 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,630 getting, they manage the shipment, they manage your 1043 01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:23,370 profile. And they also manage the buying. So they can buy and 1044 01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:26,220 the idea is they buy in bulk. They're you know, they're they 1045 01:01:26,310 --> 01:01:31,200 put on big sums of money with guarantees. And then they take a 1046 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:39,840 2% fee, a 2% fee, and then send the bill to your insurance 1047 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,460 company. So they buy the drugs on one hand in bulk, they manage 1048 01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:47,010 everything, they get the prescriptions, that's the whole 1049 01:01:47,010 --> 01:01:50,250 operation there, which really is nothing more than buying and 1050 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:54,780 selling. They take 2% fee, and then pass that on to your 1051 01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:58,980 insurance company. So you think that you would be paying 100% 1052 01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,840 plus 2% 102% For the same medication that they're buying. 1053 01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:08,580 There, unfortunately, are at least four scams. I have three 1054 01:02:08,580 --> 01:02:11,460 of them here, there's just quick explanations. The first one is 1055 01:02:11,460 --> 01:02:16,260 the rebate scam, a spread game, Tom spread the spread scam, 1056 01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:18,330 that's that's the first one. Whereas 1057 01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:22,230 Unknown: the spread game, Tom just had his prescription filled 1058 01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:25,890 at the local pharmacy for which you were PBM paid a total of 1059 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:31,740 $10. However, your PBM invoice reflects a $100 charge for that 1060 01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:36,270 same drug. In addition to its $2 administrative fee, therefore, 1061 01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:41,100 you pay a total of $102 resulting in a net of $92 1062 01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:45,540 retained by the PBM for managing that particular prescription. 1063 01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:49,500 PBM represents the drug costs paid to the pharmacy is being 1064 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:54,810 $100 Not the actual paid amount of $10, allowing PBM to retain 1065 01:02:54,810 --> 01:02:58,290 the extra $90. Without its clients awareness. 1066 01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:03,240 Adam Curry: I'd say that's kind of scammy $10 drug and they're 1067 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:09,450 pumping 92% or $92. On top of that. The second scam is the 1068 01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:15,120 repackaging scam. I think this is what Express Scripts does 1069 01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,440 Unknown: the repackaging and repricing game, the PBM pushes 1070 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,160 your health plan and Tom to their mail order pharmacy by 1071 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,790 offering you deeper discounts and or elimination of the 1072 01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:30,750 administrative fee and offering Tom to reduce or eliminate his 1073 01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:35,100 co pays. Because the PBM repackages the drug, they can 1074 01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:39,480 now arbitrarily assign a new a WP price of its own choosing 1075 01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:44,160 with no obligation to inform the health plan. For example, the 1076 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:50,400 Lipitor prescription at a retail pharmacy costs a WP $441 Minus a 1077 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,420 15% discount plus a $2 administrative fee equals 1078 01:03:54,420 --> 01:04:00,420 $376.85 When repackaged and repriced the same medication 1079 01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:07,470 ends up costing aw up $684 Minus the 20% discount plus a $0 1080 01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:13,200 administrative fee that equals $547.20. mail order pharmacy 1081 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,030 costs the health plan $170.35 More than the same drug 1082 01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:20,040 dispensed by a local pharmacy. 1083 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,500 Adam Curry: And then the final one that at least I thought was 1084 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:24,030 interesting was the rebates. 1085 01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:27,540 Unknown: The rebate came. Tom's health plan won't pay for his 1086 01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:31,830 $20 generic anti acid prescription but will pay for 1087 01:04:31,830 --> 01:04:37,560 Nexium the $148 brand name drug for the same concern. The PBM 1088 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,720 pays the pharmacy the $148 with $10 of the $50 total drug 1089 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,080 manufacturer rebate going to Tom's health plan and the 1090 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:51,270 remaining $40 Returning to the PBM this arrangement costs Tom's 1091 01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:57,150 health plan $138 instead of the $20 for the generic drug. 1092 01:04:57,900 --> 01:05:01,020 Adam Curry: So those are the scams and And then when you 1093 01:05:01,020 --> 01:05:03,360 start reading about there's not a lot of information you'd be 1094 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,700 surprised about these PBMs are farmers. By the 1095 01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:08,880 John C. Dvorak: way, I want to mention this, these kinds of 1096 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,710 scams, and there's lots of and there's one other element, 1097 01:05:13,860 --> 01:05:17,430 especially in that first scam, where the guy gets 2% of this 1098 01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:22,170 little of this of the drug price, is that if you start 1099 01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:26,070 doubling and tripling the drug price to 2% becomes a lot more 1100 01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:26,490 money. 1101 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,020 Adam Curry: But the 2% is just a joke. The two percents a joke. 1102 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,010 It's a joke. 1103 01:05:32,190 --> 01:05:36,360 John C. Dvorak: It's a joke. But 2% would I remember when, when 1104 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,420 they were doing testimony years ago, Blue Cross came out in 1105 01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:42,780 front of the California State Legislature and the woman does 1106 01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:46,440 testifies and you'll all we do, all we do is and it's always 2%. 1107 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,980 All we do is make 2% Yeah, bullshit. We hardly do anything. 1108 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:54,150 We just make 2%. But the thing is, the 2% of the billion 1109 01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:57,330 dollars in profits is a lot of money. But then they ever 1110 01:05:57,330 --> 01:06:00,090 everything gets jacked up and hijacked, 1111 01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:03,810 Adam Curry: doubled and tripled. The 2% 1112 01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:07,320 John C. Dvorak: of $10 billion is quite a bit of money this 1113 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:07,680 season. 1114 01:06:08,850 --> 01:06:12,360 Adam Curry: You're missing. You're missing one. The 2% is 1115 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,270 nothing they're buying the drug for 10. No, I 1116 01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:17,490 John C. Dvorak: understand that to 2% is just icing on the cake. 1117 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,090 It's 1118 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:26,010 Adam Curry: 800% 800% in some cases. So Trump put the kibosh 1119 01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:26,460 on this 1120 01:06:26,490 --> 01:06:28,500 John C. Dvorak: now you because I deal with them a lot. But I 1121 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:30,600 think that middlemen make more money than they do. They don't 1122 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,080 do much. Maybe they don't do anything. Some people say they 1123 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,990 don't do anything. Nobody even knows who they are. But the 1124 01:06:36,990 --> 01:06:42,360 middlemen are making a fortune and pharmacy benefit managers 1125 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:48,510 and people are just bilking Medicare patients. With these 1126 01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:52,320 high drug prices looking the government's pocket gigantic 1127 01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:56,010 discounts, gigantic discounts, the amount of 1128 01:06:58,650 --> 01:07:01,650 data element in this he says they're not really bilking 1129 01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:03,000 Medicare patients. 1130 01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:05,850 Adam Curry: No, it's bilking it's Medicare fraud the way I've 1131 01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:07,530 seen it is exactly 1132 01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:10,050 John C. Dvorak: the way I see Medicare pay if I got I have 1133 01:07:10,050 --> 01:07:13,740 Medicare, I go in and I pay my 10 bucks or whatever it is for a 1134 01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:16,920 $200 prescription and you see it on there. They say the the price 1135 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,330 200 bucks. Well, Jesus Good deal. But I'm not the one paying 1136 01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:24,480 the rest of it. It's the government is the taxpayers. 1137 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:24,930 Yes. 1138 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,890 Adam Curry: And I see it as fraud. Now, the It's like 1139 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:32,550 another 45 seconds of the clip. But it's important to understand 1140 01:07:32,580 --> 01:07:36,300 how we got here, because this was all locked down. It's almost 1141 01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:39,660 like the performing rights organizations. Only these people 1142 01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:43,230 can, you can only buy from the approved pharmacy benefit 1143 01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:47,040 manager. They're the only ones it's all segregated. And why 1144 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,240 have these laws never changed? Because all this do is take 10% 1145 01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:54,360 of all this bonus money they're making and put it into 1146 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:59,010 campaigns. And Bob's your uncle. No, nobody wants to change that. 1147 01:07:59,010 --> 01:08:02,880 It's a groovy system. And all I want to know, I really want to 1148 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,460 know who these pharmacy benefit managers are. Trump says he 1149 01:08:05,460 --> 01:08:10,620 doesn't know. Because they they should be tarred and feathered 1150 01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:11,970 John C. Dvorak: locked up, as 1151 01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:17,010 well. They pocket gigantic discounts, gigantic discounts. 1152 01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:20,700 The amount of money they have made over the decades is to 1153 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:27,540 incredible even to speculators say it's, it's massive. Some 1154 01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:30,270 very rich people are not gonna like me very much today. I can 1155 01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:34,860 tell you. I probably know them very well. I probably see them 1156 01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:38,490 in Palm Beach. But nobody ever talks about who they are 1157 01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:41,880 everyone. I hear the middlemen for years, the middlemen, right, 1158 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,030 Alex, and he doesn't know who they are either. But he knows 1159 01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:48,510 they're rich. And they're not going to be so rich anymore. 1160 01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:52,920 Because the money is going down to reduce the price of drugs, 1161 01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:57,390 prescription drugs. That's a big thing. That's a tremendous step. 1162 01:08:57,570 --> 01:09:00,930 It should have been taken a long time ago, but they have a great 1163 01:09:00,930 --> 01:09:03,660 deal of power. And I don't have to tell you how many phone calls 1164 01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:06,510 I've had in the last few days when they heard I was going to 1165 01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:10,950 be doing this. I've heard from people that I haven't spoken to 1166 01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:11,070 in a 1167 01:09:11,070 --> 01:09:15,390 Adam Curry: long time. So this is such a double whammy because 1168 01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:21,510 the insulin and the epi pen that will affect people's pockets 1169 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:27,420 immediately. This other third executive order with the PBMs 1170 01:09:27,630 --> 01:09:31,260 that kind of shouldn't be rolling out September October. 1171 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,410 But just think about this is exactly I mean it's hitting two 1172 01:09:34,410 --> 01:09:37,980 of Bernie's points, the cost of it and and fucking the rich 1173 01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:43,470 people. I mean, he might as well just go away and be Bernie. Only 1174 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:47,730 it's only it's a really it's a solution. That is not Medicare 1175 01:09:47,730 --> 01:09:51,180 for all of which of course would only mean more in the pockets of 1176 01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:53,940 these people and the politicians that support the legislation 1177 01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:57,120 that protects them, and he just did away with it. And you wonder 1178 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,470 why it wasn't reported on because that that would clinch 1179 01:10:01,470 --> 01:10:06,060 it for him to seniors, all the old people. And just because you 1180 01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:08,550 said you had a prescription with Medicare, I think you'll see the 1181 01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:10,560 difference if you don't have insulin, or do you know you 1182 01:10:10,590 --> 01:10:15,060 don't have insulin, do you know? EpiPen? 1183 01:10:16,529 --> 01:10:17,939 John C. Dvorak: No, but you know, I think everyone should 1184 01:10:17,939 --> 01:10:20,669 have, you should have dropped the price. Everyone should have 1185 01:10:20,669 --> 01:10:23,399 an epi pen around the house. Yeah, it gives me a bit by a B, 1186 01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,439 some you don't know if somebody's not allergic, good 1187 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:26,009 ideas. It's 1188 01:10:26,010 --> 01:10:28,080 Adam Curry: a very good idea. Absolutely. Yeah. 1189 01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:30,779 John C. Dvorak: A bee sting can kill you. Anyway, I 1190 01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:34,590 Adam Curry: thought it was fascinating to just understand 1191 01:10:34,590 --> 01:10:39,120 this, to learn about it, and see that these executive orders are 1192 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,900 signed in place. And I don't know it should make a 1193 01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:43,800 difference. So they're gonna 1194 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,690 John C. Dvorak: go after him. If you think they're, well, the 1195 01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:48,840 thing is, he must have looked and looked around and said, 1196 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,590 Look, I'm way behind the polls. Yeah, of course, that doesn't 1197 01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:55,200 mean anything. We know that for a fact. And people haven't even 1198 01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,420 seen Joe Biden. I mean, it's like, you know, putting a dog 1199 01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:04,950 turd into office. But the same amount of intelligence. Yeah. 1200 01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:10,230 But but it's like he's, he knows that the media has been pounding 1201 01:11:10,230 --> 01:11:12,840 and pounding and pounding and he's no, he's not a leader. He's 1202 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,430 not this. He's not that. Well. Okay. Well, let's go and do what 1203 01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:21,270 they like to do with the with the right wingers and go after 1204 01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:26,460 their advertisers. Yeah, exactly. You guys feel that way? 1205 01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:31,110 Okay. Well, good. can exactly see how you like it. Yeah, I 1206 01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:33,360 thought that was like, wow. Okay. So they're gonna have to 1207 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,910 turn up the gas, but they can't, it's already at full steam. 1208 01:11:35,940 --> 01:11:38,490 Adam Curry: And this and this really affects, you know, one 1209 01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:41,610 specific group because this is just a money game. It's the 1210 01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:44,910 insurance companies. It's the it's the I think there are three 1211 01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:49,380 huge PBMs and it's all split up into small little companies. 1212 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,770 It's very hard to track apparently. But as the insurance 1213 01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:55,710 companies as Wall Street, they just hedge risk them do anything 1214 01:11:55,710 --> 01:11:59,910 else is push paper around and algos do the business of 1215 01:11:59,910 --> 01:12:04,740 screwing you. And he's he's coming in to disrupt that I I'm, 1216 01:12:04,890 --> 01:12:06,630 I'm quite pleased with that. And I think 1217 01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:09,090 John C. Dvorak: what you said there were four executive 1218 01:12:09,090 --> 01:12:09,480 orders. Oh, 1219 01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:14,100 Adam Curry: the fourth one, which is he will be signing if 1220 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,310 if someone doesn't comply, and quite honestly, I just lost 1221 01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:19,620 track of time and couldn't quite figure out what the fourth one 1222 01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:22,890 was. But he threatened. He's saying I may not have to do that 1223 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:26,070 one if everyone plays along, so I'm not sure it's some kind of 1224 01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:30,120 huge poison pill. i There's no actual text yet. Although I did 1225 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:30,540 see the 1226 01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:33,540 John C. Dvorak: the notice about 1227 01:12:34,770 --> 01:12:37,140 Adam Curry: oh, yeah, I can tell you what it's about. I can tell 1228 01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:41,520 you what it says. Who is it about? Hold on a second, I'm 1229 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,700 going to tell you because believe it or not, they have a 1230 01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:48,090 very handy website where they tend to put this stuff up. So 1231 01:12:48,090 --> 01:12:55,050 here's your four executive orders. The executive order 1232 01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:59,130 lowering prices for paint by middlemen, life saving drug 1233 01:12:59,130 --> 01:13:04,830 importation. And then where's the fourth one? The fourth one? 1234 01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:11,760 Yeah. Okay. It's not on there. So I don't know what the fourth 1235 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,520 one is. It was just a vague threat than I thought he 1236 01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:19,620 published it. So I thought it's about Yeah, but I thought that 1237 01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:23,250 was just I love seeing the complete lack of coverage. And 1238 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:26,850 this is this is a big deal. So even if they're looking at it, 1239 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,360 not from a Chinese perspective, just we hate Trump. Now it's 1240 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,940 it's certainly Oh, we can't have this guy doing anything good. 1241 01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:34,650 Nothing good. 1242 01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:40,080 John C. Dvorak: egregious. Ah, malfeasance by the media? 1243 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:45,840 Adam Curry: Yes. Instead of that. All we hear about is this 1244 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,060 as an example on MSNBC. 1245 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,120 Unknown: He's setting precedents now. And I think mica was 1246 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,910 exactly right. This morning, when she raised the proper 1247 01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:58,470 concerns. And the widened quote to me crystallizes it. This is 1248 01:13:58,470 --> 01:14:02,760 what would happen. If you were a an authoritarian president, who 1249 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,170 was preparing to to resist a loss in the election, you would 1250 01:14:07,170 --> 01:14:09,720 be saying the things Donald Trump is saying, and you would 1251 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:15,360 be gradually rolling out federal police power into the states 1252 01:14:15,420 --> 01:14:19,350 against the wishes of the mayors and governors in question. This 1253 01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:22,140 is how it would happen. This is how the movie would play out and 1254 01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:25,710 anybody who's not looking at this with a state of alarm and 1255 01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:29,610 concern and worried about, is this President going to have to 1256 01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:32,940 employ formally martial law at some point, as Ron Wyden 1257 01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:35,640 suggested yesterday? Is that on the President's mind, is there 1258 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,280 anybody having watched Donald Trump for the last three and a 1259 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,340 half years who doesn't think that Donald Trump would try to 1260 01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:43,770 employ martial law if he thought it was the only way he could 1261 01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:44,550 stay in power? 1262 01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:46,740 Adam Curry: Man, why is that so deja vu? 1263 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,700 John C. Dvorak: No, that's high. Oh, man. He's he's got a new 1264 01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:54,810 gig. He's on the mica show. Yeah. And so he's trying to make 1265 01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:57,780 a name for himself, even though I think he's doing is he's 1266 01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:01,620 screwing himself. Yeah, that's Nothing that's not. 1267 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,840 Adam Curry: That's nothing. What do you got? 1268 01:15:04,380 --> 01:15:06,990 John C. Dvorak: Well, we go to Democracy Now we bring in the 1269 01:15:06,990 --> 01:15:09,750 bearded one. Noam Chomsky. 1270 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:12,030 Adam Curry: Oh, boy, I guess they're pulling the emergency 1271 01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:12,540 brake. 1272 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,410 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, they're bringing in Noam Chomsky? Yes, 1273 01:15:16,410 --> 01:15:16,800 go. 1274 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:24,450 Unknown: President Trump is for his entire attention. There's 1275 01:15:24,450 --> 01:15:30,030 one issue on his mind, that's the election. He's has to cover 1276 01:15:30,030 --> 01:15:35,280 up for the fact that he's personally responsible for 1277 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,960 killing 10s of 1000s of Americans die. It's impossible 1278 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,610 to conceal that much longer. Compare the United States with 1279 01:15:44,610 --> 01:15:52,020 Europe, Canada, it's becoming a pariah state. To the point where 1280 01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:55,770 Americans aren't even permitted to travel to Europe, Euro form 1281 01:15:55,770 --> 01:16:04,710 accepts them. The his chances of victory are, depend on his doing 1282 01:16:04,710 --> 01:16:10,590 something dramatic. He was trying very hard to set up 1283 01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:16,470 military confrontations that you mentioned martial law, it's 1284 01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:22,200 moving towards martial law, he might even be able to try to 1285 01:16:22,740 --> 01:16:27,930 cancel the elections. It's there's no telling what he would 1286 01:16:27,930 --> 01:16:33,900 do. He's completely desperate. This is like the actions of some 1287 01:16:34,620 --> 01:16:41,520 tin pot dictator in a NEO colony somewhere small country that has 1288 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,330 a military coup every couple of years. There's no historical 1289 01:16:45,330 --> 01:16:49,530 precedent for anything like this in a functioning democratic 1290 01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:50,190 society. 1291 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,720 Adam Curry: This man should be ashamed of himself. Wow. 1292 01:16:55,049 --> 01:16:57,149 John C. Dvorak: He's just funny coming out of his shell, 1293 01:16:57,269 --> 01:17:00,869 Adam Curry: well, you need to take some Adderall or something 1294 01:17:00,869 --> 01:17:01,769 because that's the 1295 01:17:03,390 --> 01:17:07,440 John C. Dvorak: worst. So let's play a little bit more. Second 1296 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,090 party more and more, you know, 1297 01:17:09,210 --> 01:17:13,380 Unknown: if he could black shirts out in the streets, he'd 1298 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:20,220 be happy to do that. Exactly how this will migrate traders. Very 1299 01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:28,080 hard to say. The courts are unlikely to do anything. We may 1300 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,430 even get to a point where the military command has to decide 1301 01:17:32,430 --> 01:17:38,070 which side they're on. The man is desperate. He's psychotic. He 1302 01:17:38,370 --> 01:17:44,250 is in extreme danger of losing his position in the White House 1303 01:17:44,250 --> 01:17:46,380 and do anything you can to prevent it. 1304 01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:51,600 Adam Curry: Wow, I can't believe that he proved to us that he is 1305 01:17:51,600 --> 01:18:00,270 not deranged. Because person woman man camera TV. He 1306 01:18:00,420 --> 01:18:02,220 John C. Dvorak: does home Chomsky that's gonna be my 1307 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:07,050 favorite thing I've seen. Yeah, it's very funny. Chomsky as he's 1308 01:18:07,050 --> 01:18:10,710 saying, he's willing to put the black shirts on the street. 1309 01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:16,530 They're showing clips of the the black shirts. Yeah, they show a 1310 01:18:16,530 --> 01:18:20,070 bunch of normal cops, these cops the bad cops dressed in kind of 1311 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:24,570 camouflage. Picking up black literally picking out black 1312 01:18:24,570 --> 01:18:29,130 shirted guys, all carved from head to toe with black off the 1313 01:18:29,130 --> 01:18:32,970 streets. And it's just like the contrast of what he says or 1314 01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:36,270 what's your witness is just like, wait a minute, What? What? 1315 01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:40,560 Yeah. Now there's one more. There's an optional tour clip if 1316 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,250 you're not sick. I'll listen to more. I'll listen to more. Now. 1317 01:18:44,250 --> 01:18:48,630 The third clip, though, is is really a long question asked by 1318 01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:53,490 the that alternate woman that's on Democracy Now. Who's the dour 1319 01:18:53,490 --> 01:18:58,290 one the dour. lateen X type. And she's she I've never seen her 1320 01:18:58,290 --> 01:19:02,490 perk episode one time there was a rock star on this show. She 1321 01:19:02,490 --> 01:19:07,890 got Oh, she's bad in your eyes. It was pathetic to be honest 1322 01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:12,360 about it. But so she's asking this very long winded question, 1323 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,960 which is actually the main part of the clip. And then he comes 1324 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,440 in and he answers a little bit of it. But you have to listen to 1325 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,460 her current discussion of his previous discussions. They have 1326 01:19:23,460 --> 01:19:26,970 a Trump clip in there out of the blue, which kind of it's just a 1327 01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:30,930 very interesting, this is a very different kind of clip. But it's 1328 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:31,860 worth listening to 1329 01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:35,670 Unknown: what Professor Chomsky, you've just said echoed the 1330 01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:40,110 concerns of Senator Ron Wyden that we may be headed the US may 1331 01:19:40,110 --> 01:19:44,970 be headed towards the imposition of martial law. You've just 1332 01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:48,330 called Trump a psychotic previously having referred to 1333 01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:53,190 him as a sociopath and pointed to the differences between the 1334 01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:57,030 massive differences between Biden and Trump when you we had 1335 01:19:57,030 --> 01:20:01,500 you on earlier this year, saying about Biden that he's pretty 1336 01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:05,970 empty, you can push him one way or another. And you've also said 1337 01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:10,170 that this is the most crucial election in human history, 1338 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:13,290 literally. Now, Fox News. 1339 01:20:16,350 --> 01:20:18,030 Adam Curry: Let me hear what was so literal about that 1340 01:20:18,330 --> 01:20:23,340 Unknown: election in human history. pretty empty, you can 1341 01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:27,420 push him one way or another. And you've also said that this is 1342 01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:32,250 the most crucial election in human history. Literally, 1343 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,860 Adam Curry: literally, that's what he said, or it's literally 1344 01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:35,220 the most. 1345 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,020 John C. Dvorak: He said it, meaning that literally lists 1346 01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:43,800 next election with Joe Biden running against Donald Trump in 1347 01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:47,550 all of human history, all of human history going back to the 1348 01:20:47,550 --> 01:20:51,390 pharaoh, this is the most important thing ever. We should 1349 01:20:51,390 --> 01:20:51,570 pay 1350 01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:52,770 Adam Curry: attention to what he says then. 1351 01:20:53,340 --> 01:20:57,870 Unknown: Now, in a Fox News interview, just on Sunday, Trump 1352 01:20:57,900 --> 01:21:03,570 refused to commit to accepting the outcome of the 2020 1353 01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:04,020 election. 1354 01:21:05,610 --> 01:21:08,370 John C. Dvorak: I don't like to lose. I don't lose too often. I 1355 01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:11,490 don't like somebody's gracious. You don't know until you say it 1356 01:21:11,490 --> 01:21:15,540 depends. I think mail in voting is going to rig the election. I 1357 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:16,050 really do. 1358 01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:19,320 Unknown: Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results 1359 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:20,130 of the alignment? I have to 1360 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:23,160 say, look, if Hillary Clinton asked me the same thing for him 1361 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:23,940 to comment? 1362 01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:29,760 Adam Curry: First of all, he said mailing voting might rig 1363 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,700 the rig the whole thing. I don't think you said they will rigged 1364 01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:33,930 it for the Democrats. 1365 01:21:34,830 --> 01:21:36,750 John C. Dvorak: I want to stop here and say something I've 1366 01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:40,680 mentioned on the show before, there were two recent elections 1367 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,940 that were done to replace some congressional members. And the 1368 01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:48,210 Republicans won both of them and the Republican and these were 1369 01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:53,790 male in elections. I've said, Yeah, that's what you just said. 1370 01:21:54,540 --> 01:21:58,320 It's possible that trumps gaslighting the process, 1371 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,610 another, another, no, we can't have no no, no, no, no, we can't 1372 01:22:02,610 --> 01:22:05,070 have anything we but mail in elections because he already 1373 01:22:05,070 --> 01:22:07,890 knows that whatever he suggested they do the opposite. 1374 01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:09,780 Adam Curry: He's figured it out. Finally. 1375 01:22:12,180 --> 01:22:15,690 John C. Dvorak: I saw Dave Malin election made me assure his 1376 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,490 landslide victory 1377 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,180 Adam Curry: the way he says it. It's not as if he didn't do as 1378 01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:24,660 his hands like it's horrible. It's really bad. It's just look. 1379 01:22:25,380 --> 01:22:33,660 And recall that in 2004, I think it was Florida was all jacked up 1380 01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:38,940 because the Republicans want to do mail in voting. So I've just 1381 01:22:38,940 --> 01:22:41,310 listened to what he the way he says it. And to me, it's like, 1382 01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:44,490 yeah, hmm, yeah, he's got it figured out the 1383 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,670 Unknown: outcome of the 2020. Election. 1384 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:50,790 How not a good loser. I don't like to lose it. I don't lose 1385 01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:53,790 too often. I don't like so but are you gracious? You don't 1386 01:22:53,790 --> 01:22:57,960 know. Until you see it depends. I think mail in voting is going 1387 01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,370 to rig the election. I really do. 1388 01:22:59,430 --> 01:23:02,670 Yeah. Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results 1389 01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:03,480 of the election? I have to 1390 01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:05,520 John C. Dvorak: say, look, Hillary Clinton asked me the 1391 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:06,120 same thing 1392 01:23:06,570 --> 01:23:09,990 Unknown: to comment on on that and what your concerns are in 1393 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:12,060 the event. I mean, you've just said that, in fact, the 1394 01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:14,910 elections somehow could be canceled. 1395 01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:23,790 maneuvers. You theoretically they might undertake. One might 1396 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:30,210 be to try to throw the election to the to refuse to assess the 1397 01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:34,980 vote, to make sure that the Republican governors does 1398 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:40,290 authorize there aren't electors. This is routine and automatic. 1399 01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:44,910 Technically, they could refuse could throw it into the house 1400 01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:52,470 where there's enough Republicans in the House to essentially turn 1401 01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:59,100 the election into a the kind of force that you find in a 1402 01:24:01,530 --> 01:24:02,310 dictatorship, 1403 01:24:03,179 --> 01:24:06,419 John C. Dvorak: rather, and now that there's not enough 1404 01:24:06,419 --> 01:24:09,149 Republicans in the House, you know, yes, Senate 1405 01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:14,070 Adam Curry: doofus. Oh, man, that is, how old is he? 1406 01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:15,810 John C. Dvorak: No, I told you I was a topper I can be. 1407 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,640 Adam Curry: Well, let's just look at how this is playing out. 1408 01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:24,540 First of all, I believe that this is an attempt at a color 1409 01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:29,670 revolution. Black lives matter. Black is a color. There are 1410 01:24:29,670 --> 01:24:34,080 elements who are behind this. Certainly a lot of nonprofits, 1411 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,280 nongovernmental organizations. I mean, even Google, hey, Google 1412 01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:41,190 is pushing BLM. I get in pictures from people just you 1413 01:24:41,190 --> 01:24:44,160 just want to ask your Google thing to do your Google device 1414 01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,920 to do something and already it's promoting Black Lives Matter. 1415 01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:52,470 And I think it was actually I have this clip from Black Lives 1416 01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:57,780 Matter UK. Shall we listen and see. Hey, just so you know, it's 1417 01:24:57,780 --> 01:25:02,490 a global thing and Now, you'll see that the issues are all the 1418 01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:06,240 same. They really have nothing to do with a DOS, American 1419 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,150 descendants of slavery. It's pretty much everything that 1420 01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:12,240 you'd expect, even from a guy like Noam Chomsky can talk 1421 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,170 Unknown: about black issues and LGBT issues, and exclude them as 1422 01:25:16,170 --> 01:25:16,320 if 1423 01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:21,750 Adam Curry: I set this up. This is a British kid, noodle boy on 1424 01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:26,280 stage addressing a crowd. I think it's in London. And he's 1425 01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:28,770 telling everybody what's up what's going on where we got to 1426 01:25:28,770 --> 01:25:31,170 stand for and what Black Lives Matter has happened and what 1427 01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:32,340 we're doing can't talk 1428 01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:36,240 Unknown: about black issues and LGBT issues and exclude them as 1429 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,940 if there's some individual issue, you need to be looking at 1430 01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:43,260 this using intersectionality, which is a word that you know, 1431 01:25:43,260 --> 01:25:46,410 is thrown around, but what does it really mean? It means 1432 01:25:46,530 --> 01:25:50,580 recognizing that there is one common enemy, the white male, 1433 01:25:50,910 --> 01:25:53,400 Adam Curry: okay, so that at least is the same. There's one 1434 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,580 common enemy ladies and gentlemen, it is the white man. 1435 01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:02,100 Unknown: And the systems that they use a capitalism patriarchy 1436 01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:03,060 and fascism. 1437 01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:06,330 Adam Curry: No, okay, so that is Trump. Basically, the systems 1438 01:26:06,330 --> 01:26:10,920 the white man uses is patriarchy, capitalism. And I 1439 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,380 wish these kids knew what the difference was between 1440 01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:17,430 socialism, communism, Marxism, capitalism, they're not taught 1441 01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:18,150 properly. 1442 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,310 John C. Dvorak: They were created and taught anything. 1443 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:21,900 Well, they're taught something 1444 01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:23,460 Adam Curry: they're taught to spell this bullshit 1445 01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:26,880 Unknown: is a capitalism, patriarchy and fascism. They 1446 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,140 were created and perpetuated by white men for white men in the 1447 01:26:31,140 --> 01:26:32,640 interests of white men 1448 01:26:34,530 --> 01:26:37,170 Adam Curry: whose life matters at this point, that's a target 1449 01:26:37,170 --> 01:26:37,980 on our heads. 1450 01:26:38,009 --> 01:26:39,869 Unknown: Now, obviously, fighting these issues and 1451 01:26:39,869 --> 01:26:43,379 addressing them requires different methods, the way that 1452 01:26:43,379 --> 01:26:46,769 you approach and change racism is going to be different than 1453 01:26:46,769 --> 01:26:51,179 how you look at homophobia. And we understand that you can't 1454 01:26:51,179 --> 01:26:54,329 just be out fighting for your own issues. We need to address 1455 01:26:54,329 --> 01:26:59,369 the situation in Yemen. 20 million people, mostly children 1456 01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:03,509 are living in extreme poverty, and hunger and malnutrition, 1457 01:27:03,509 --> 01:27:07,619 which has only been worsened by the Coronavirus crisis. We need 1458 01:27:07,619 --> 01:27:10,559 to look at Palestine recently. I think it was like three. 1459 01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,470 Adam Curry: It's always in there. Palestine is always in 1460 01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:17,610 there. And he has a little bit of code showing his color. 1461 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,280 Unknown: We need to look at Palestine recently. I think it 1462 01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,160 was like three days ago, every map whether it's iPhone, 1463 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,910 Android, Google have removed Palestine from the maps. So 1464 01:27:26,910 --> 01:27:29,580 Palestine is still there. Okay, Palestine has not gone as much 1465 01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:32,970 as Israel wants to take over everything as much as America is 1466 01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:34,620 funding them. And that's his issue, 1467 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,950 Adam Curry: anti Jewish, anti Israel anti semitic. 1468 01:27:38,970 --> 01:27:41,700 Unknown: We need to address the fact that you know, all of these 1469 01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:45,180 groups of people, the issues they face, it all comes from the 1470 01:27:45,180 --> 01:27:52,920 same people, white men, so we need to get rid of the green how 1471 01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,070 we 1472 01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:00,030 Adam Curry: kill the rich. So there it is. The no kill the 1473 01:28:00,030 --> 01:28:02,520 rich. That's the solution. It's all white men who are doing 1474 01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:08,670 this, especially in, in the American cities run by black and 1475 01:28:08,670 --> 01:28:12,870 brown Democrats. That's all white people. I'm sure the white 1476 01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:17,160 people are controlling them. Sure, yeah. It's very, it's 1477 01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:21,810 abundantly clear to me. Was it you? Did you when we were 1478 01:28:21,810 --> 01:28:24,750 looking at this, and we already did. Patrisse Cullors is co 1479 01:28:24,750 --> 01:28:27,570 founder of Black Lives Matter. We've gone through her Marxist 1480 01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:30,120 roots. We don't need to talk about that. But I found another 1481 01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,210 couple of money trails that are interesting in regard to Black 1482 01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:36,780 Lives Matter because there are two other co founders. Was it 1483 01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:39,900 the freedom road socialist organization? Is that the one 1484 01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:42,060 you thought that this was all stemming from? Have you 1485 01:28:42,059 --> 01:28:43,649 John C. Dvorak: heard of no I always think the world's Workers 1486 01:28:43,649 --> 01:28:45,029 Party Well, I'm 1487 01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:48,060 Adam Curry: sure it's related to freedom road socialist 1488 01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:53,280 organization, they they have all the strategies they have on 1489 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,820 their website which is F r s o.org. Allow 1490 01:28:56,820 --> 01:28:58,890 John C. Dvorak: us to always think it also the radical 1491 01:28:58,890 --> 01:29:01,590 abolitionist movement. I think that RAM I think 1492 01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:03,840 Adam Curry: that's all part of it. The difference is these guys 1493 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:09,300 have the money. And how interesting is it that Alicia 1494 01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:16,680 Garza was executive director or board member five different 1495 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,480 freedom road fiscal sponsorships, remember that's 1496 01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:25,440 how this works. You get the the foundation or the nonprofit, it 1497 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:30,510 reports a 990 form. It takes the money in for as an example the 1498 01:29:30,510 --> 01:29:34,350 Black Lives Matter Foundation, not the fund the foundation, and 1499 01:29:34,530 --> 01:29:36,810 they will give them money. We don't know how much they're 1500 01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:39,210 giving them. We don't know really how much is coming in 1501 01:29:39,210 --> 01:29:41,940 specifically for Black Lives Matter. And that's the Fiscal 1502 01:29:41,940 --> 01:29:45,660 Sponsorship. So Alicia Garza, one of the co founders this I 1503 01:29:45,660 --> 01:29:47,850 think, is the one who's the most interesting which of course, is 1504 01:29:47,850 --> 01:29:53,250 why she's not in the picture. She was Board Chair of the right 1505 01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:58,320 of the City Alliance School of unity and liberation, that soul 1506 01:29:58,350 --> 01:30:01,620 that the important one is people Oregon. Nice to win employment 1507 01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:08,400 rights. That is power and power. pow er is a group that included 1508 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:14,670 Van Jones, a bunch of of typical people you'd expect to be 1509 01:30:14,670 --> 01:30:18,510 hanging around leftist issues and money, the right to Alliance 1510 01:30:18,510 --> 01:30:22,170 City Alliance, which she was the board member or executive chair 1511 01:30:22,170 --> 01:30:24,570 of six and a half million dollars in the past couple of 1512 01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:29,580 years. And this money comes from the Ford Foundation 1.9 million 1513 01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:34,200 George Soros Open Society Foundation, 1.3 million, the 1514 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:39,300 Kellogg Foundation 250,000 And interestingly, the Ben and 1515 01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,060 Jerry's foundation is everywhere. Now it's only 1516 01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:47,820 $30,000. But that's just for that one. As the executive 1517 01:30:47,820 --> 01:30:53,310 director of Pow, pow er which Van Jones was a part of, and 1518 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:58,650 still is a part of that group received 1.3 million from the 1519 01:30:58,650 --> 01:31:03,090 Ford Foundation as well. 600,000 from open society from Soros 1520 01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:09,690 50,000 from Ben and Jerry, at the soul organization, which is 1521 01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:12,870 underneath, you know, this big one, Garza claims to have 1522 01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:17,700 trained 712 organizers. But we know what those are from the 1523 01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:22,470 last show. These are the people got and break stuff to earn 1524 01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:25,980 $10,000 from the Rockefeller Foundation 255,000 from the 1525 01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:35,400 Heinz Foundation, a John Kerry. And then we go to the sea, the 1526 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,920 multiracial organization that works with leaders and 1527 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,640 organizers to transform culture and policy to catalyze social 1528 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:47,940 change FRS Oh $4 million in 2014. So there's all this money 1529 01:31:47,940 --> 01:31:51,150 flowing into this and you look at these kids on the street, 1530 01:31:51,150 --> 01:31:54,330 they got pretty nice gear on tactical helmets, tactical 1531 01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:59,070 jackets, a tactical vest, tactical pants, boots, they got 1532 01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:04,440 all kinds of stuff. And this is all before we ever find out if 1533 01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:10,530 we do, how much money Apple, Disney, Nike, all these 1534 01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:16,440 corporations are sending to these groups that are ice, all I 1535 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:20,280 can see is training and sponsoring this mayhem 1536 01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:24,930 everywhere now in Austin. Yesterday, someone got shot and 1537 01:32:24,930 --> 01:32:26,490 killed during a protest 1538 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,510 John C. Dvorak: was who was shot and killed and who they shot and 1539 01:32:30,510 --> 01:32:31,650 killed by I shall 1540 01:32:31,650 --> 01:32:34,590 Adam Curry: tell you. So there was a protest Black Lives Matter 1541 01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:38,940 protests and they were marching through the street. And one of 1542 01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:44,070 the protesters, the protesters had a ar 15 or might have been a 1543 01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:49,350 thing was ak 47 Semi. And he's and he's walking along with the 1544 01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:52,740 protesters which is you know, in Austin in Texas in general you 1545 01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:57,060 can do that as long as your hand like it properly a long gun as 1546 01:32:57,060 --> 01:32:59,460 we call it that's that's allowed there's nothing against that. 1547 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,660 And then at an intersection the the the protest crowd and this 1548 01:33:06,660 --> 01:33:09,420 is the way I've seen it from the video. I've seen the protest 1549 01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:15,060 crowd blocks in a car and the cars like honking like hey, you 1550 01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:17,430 know that's a scary thing when you're blocked in by all these 1551 01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:21,990 people in especially the Black Lives Matter protest. And so the 1552 01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:24,240 wants to get out and so the people start surrounding this 1553 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:29,370 car, the guy with the AK 47 walks up to the driver's window 1554 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,270 brandishing the weapon and the driver shot and killed him 1555 01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:38,220 Hello, it's Texas you idiot 1556 01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,180 John C. Dvorak: Yes, I think the driver should have shot and 1557 01:33:45,180 --> 01:33:45,900 killed him. 1558 01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:49,260 Adam Curry: He did and and you know so now we're everyone's 1559 01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:52,200 it's raining like crazy here. So I'm sure there'll be no protests 1560 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,340 at all. But the whole city is kind of waiting. You know what's 1561 01:33:56,340 --> 01:33:59,370 going to happen? Will they be outraged? I personally, I think 1562 01:33:59,370 --> 01:34:01,710 all the kids are gonna stay home. They've done it. They're 1563 01:34:01,710 --> 01:34:03,960 like, Oh, okay. I don't want to be a part of that. 1564 01:34:05,310 --> 01:34:06,540 People crazy here. 1565 01:34:08,370 --> 01:34:12,030 I agree with you. That's why we have guns and it's so stupid. 1566 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,820 teach you the first thing in Texas you know, you don't go 1567 01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:17,430 messing around brandishing your weapon in front of somebody. 1568 01:34:17,850 --> 01:34:22,380 Because they probably have a gun too. Anyway, so the story is 1569 01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:25,710 being distorted and I'm sure it'll be crazy white supremacist 1570 01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:29,610 who killed someone or whatever. That's how it always goes. 1571 01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:34,740 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, we'll see. Yeah. Hopefully, they 1572 01:34:34,740 --> 01:34:35,610 just let him go. 1573 01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:39,030 Adam Curry: little chance of that. 1574 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,490 John C. Dvorak: But unfortunately I mean in normal 1575 01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:44,670 circumstances if somebody comes up to you with a brandishing a 1576 01:34:44,670 --> 01:34:47,640 gun like that threatening you or you would you shot me you 1577 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,280 wouldn't be even brought up on charges. No. 1578 01:34:52,380 --> 01:34:56,280 Adam Curry: So it was just anyway, I think that's I don't 1579 01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,160 have much else on black live. Well, we got noodle gum. We can 1580 01:34:59,160 --> 01:34:59,940 do that later. 1581 01:35:00,659 --> 01:35:03,329 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, now I have two things we can do now. Okay, 1582 01:35:03,359 --> 01:35:06,119 I want to I think the maxvill story, maybe I should do those 1583 01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:09,839 three clips. I'm gonna do that now. Okay. Yeah, but before we 1584 01:35:09,839 --> 01:35:12,209 do that I do have an entre mom, because I think a lot of this is 1585 01:35:12,209 --> 01:35:15,659 going on has a lot to do with this clip. This is clips that 1586 01:35:15,659 --> 01:35:19,409 did clip his elementary This is from the show that ended this 1587 01:35:19,409 --> 01:35:22,409 year that elementary which I think when is sixth or seventh 1588 01:35:22,409 --> 01:35:26,219 season and when it ended, and this was the near the end of it 1589 01:35:26,249 --> 01:35:29,789 is that you get to hear some of the lousy acting, but it had it 1590 01:35:29,789 --> 01:35:33,299 it did have an element in it that we enjoy hearing a lot. And 1591 01:35:33,299 --> 01:35:37,739 this is this is from the season ending when the C's it was third 1592 01:35:37,739 --> 01:35:41,699 from the end show of the entire series. To look into this. I 1593 01:35:41,700 --> 01:35:43,890 Unknown: can take it to someone I noticed these things. My wife 1594 01:35:43,890 --> 01:35:47,220 problem solved. Mr. Connor doesn't hurt anyone. And I know 1595 01:35:47,220 --> 01:35:51,030 that you and I will never be friends. But I think you'll say 1596 01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:54,090 yes. It's too good an opportunity to prove me wrong. 1597 01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,430 Show me the false methods. 1598 01:35:56,819 --> 01:35:59,969 What makes you so sure this guy is so dangerous. Mr. Conrad 1599 01:35:59,970 --> 01:36:10,470 Adam Curry: has a podcast. Dangerous I tell you. Okay, 1600 01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:14,460 that's funny. I like that. Wait, I have one of my own. I have one 1601 01:36:14,460 --> 01:36:17,340 of my own. This is a message I've received from a very 1602 01:36:17,340 --> 01:36:18,720 special friend of ours. 1603 01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:23,130 Unknown: You're listening to no agenda with Adam curry, and John 1604 01:36:23,130 --> 01:36:28,440 divorce hack. Now sit back, relax, and get informed. 1605 01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,770 Adam Curry: There you go. God Himself dropping by saying hi to 1606 01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:36,150 us. Who did that one I know who did it. Morgan Freeman. 1607 01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:41,970 John C. Dvorak: So let's go to thank you, Morgan. Let's go to 1608 01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:44,880 so this will get us out of the way. This is a ballpark of one 1609 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:49,500 report that was done on ABC. And I think it brings us right up to 1610 01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:53,010 speed with what's going on with the Maxwell story. Let's go on 1611 01:36:53,010 --> 01:36:53,100 to 1612 01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:55,650 Unknown: that major ruling in the galane Maxwell case, a judge 1613 01:36:55,650 --> 01:36:58,470 ordering the release of what could be 1000s of pages of 1614 01:36:58,470 --> 01:37:01,710 documents from a civil case against her and those could 1615 01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:04,500 include names of high profile people who socialize with 1616 01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:07,170 Jeffrey Epstein. Jay Norman joins us now with more on this. 1617 01:37:07,170 --> 01:37:09,360 Good morning. Janae. Hey, Cecilia. Good morning. That 1618 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,840 civil case was settled back in 2017. But a judge ruling just 1619 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,900 yesterday that the public is legally entitled to access 1620 01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,960 dozens of previously sealed records from the case. Some of 1621 01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,600 those documents are said to contain the names of hundreds of 1622 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,360 people who spend time socializing, traveling or 1623 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,880 working with Jeffrey Epstein over the course of more than a 1624 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:31,650 decade. This morning as Geylang Maxwell wakes up behind bars in 1625 01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:34,740 a Brooklyn detention center. associates of Jeffrey Epstein 1626 01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:38,520 may be on edge following a bombshell court ruling. A judge 1627 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,490 deciding Thursday that dozens of documents at the center of a 1628 01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:45,810 2015 case involving Maxwell and Virginia Roberts gouffre should 1629 01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:48,900 be unsealed including transcripts from at least one of 1630 01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:52,050 Maxwell's depositions in the case which her attorney says 1631 01:37:52,050 --> 01:37:55,380 contains, quote, extremely personal and confidential 1632 01:37:55,380 --> 01:37:58,830 material. gouffre alleges she was abused as a teenager by 1633 01:37:58,830 --> 01:38:02,760 Maxwell and Epstein and directed to sleep with Prince Andrew 1634 01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:06,690 allegations he denies who free telling BBC panorama 1635 01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:10,410 I knew I had to keep him happy because that's what Jeffrey and 1636 01:38:10,410 --> 01:38:12,180 Gillan would expect from me. 1637 01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,910 This yield records are said to contain names of hundreds of 1638 01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:18,420 associates of I've seen over the span of more than 10 years. Some 1639 01:38:18,420 --> 01:38:21,450 of Epstein's famous associates include former President Bill 1640 01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:24,690 Clinton, British Royal Prince Andrew and President Donald 1641 01:38:24,690 --> 01:38:28,140 Trump, who had an eyebrow raising response when asked 1642 01:38:28,140 --> 01:38:30,000 about key Elaine Maxwell this week. 1643 01:38:30,210 --> 01:38:32,040 John C. Dvorak: I don't know I haven't really been following it 1644 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,910 too much. I just wish her well frankly. I've met her numerous 1645 01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:38,940 times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach. And 1646 01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:42,570 I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well is 1647 01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:45,270 Unknown: coming on the heels of another major revelation. 1648 01:38:45,630 --> 01:38:51,660 Adam Curry: Why does he do that? What the hell is that about? Oh, 1649 01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:57,570 no way. I wish her well. I mean, is that? I don't know. Maybe he 1650 01:38:57,570 --> 01:39:02,880 really? Maybe he just wishes her well, but, dude, that's creepy. 1651 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,460 And I love how they then put Trump in they connect him. 1652 01:39:05,550 --> 01:39:07,200 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, they gotta throw Trump and we know 1653 01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,680 that Trump is associated differently group. Yeah, but, 1654 01:39:11,220 --> 01:39:15,000 but okay. Now, so let's go to clip two. 1655 01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:17,640 Adam Curry: I was just gonna say it appears to me the the only 1656 01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,640 person that definitely is screwed in this deal is Prince 1657 01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,320 Andrew. I mean, that's the guy right 1658 01:39:22,710 --> 01:39:24,510 John C. Dvorak: now, Anderson Cooper. You got to put him in 1659 01:39:24,510 --> 01:39:24,690 there. 1660 01:39:25,470 --> 01:39:28,830 Adam Curry: How about this? I wish her well means. I hope she 1661 01:39:28,830 --> 01:39:31,830 makes it to the trial. Maybe that's what he means. I wish her 1662 01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:35,520 well. Don't put any thing around your neck. 1663 01:39:35,580 --> 01:39:37,530 John C. Dvorak: This coming on the heels. Oh, no. Yeah, 1664 01:39:37,530 --> 01:39:40,890 well, that could be Prince Andrew is you know he's 1665 01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:43,200 protected by the Crown is that this is gonna happen to him. 1666 01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:44,730 He's just gonna be out of the limelight. 1667 01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:48,780 Adam Curry: We'll see. We'll see. I mean, lots of stuff. 1668 01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:49,680 Nothing zip 1669 01:39:49,710 --> 01:39:50,880 John C. Dvorak: zip zero. 1670 01:39:51,179 --> 01:39:53,369 Unknown: This coming on the heels of another major 1671 01:39:53,369 --> 01:39:56,999 revelation. According to federal prosecutors. Elaine Maxwell is 1672 01:39:56,999 --> 01:40:00,089 married but she's declined to provide the court with The 1673 01:40:00,089 --> 01:40:03,899 identity of her spouse, Maxwell is currently held on charges 1674 01:40:03,899 --> 01:40:06,689 related to facilitating Epstein sex crimes. 1675 01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:11,400 Maxwell played a critical role in helping Epstein to identify 1676 01:40:11,670 --> 01:40:16,620 the friend and groom minor victims for abuse. In some 1677 01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:20,880 cases, Maxwell participated in the abuse herself. 1678 01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,370 John C. Dvorak: And more than a year after convicted sex 1679 01:40:23,370 --> 01:40:27,660 offender Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide in a Manhattan jail. His 1680 01:40:27,660 --> 01:40:31,140 mansions in both Palm Beach and New York City hitting the market 1681 01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:35,790 for combined $110 million. The real estate postings giving a 1682 01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:39,540 new look inside the expensive properties. But leaving out one 1683 01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:44,280 detail that Epstein was the previous owner. And Maxwell's 1684 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,070 lawyers plan to file an emergency appeal to keep those 1685 01:40:47,070 --> 01:40:50,340 documents from being unsealed. If they fail. We could see them 1686 01:40:50,340 --> 01:40:53,820 come out as early as next week. Maxwell has pleaded not guilty 1687 01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,640 to all the criminal charges against certain Cecilia Paige 1688 01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,010 and a thanks so much. Let's bring in Dan Abrams. Now, Dan, 1689 01:40:59,010 --> 01:41:01,020 good morning to you. So let's break this down. We're talking 1690 01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:04,860 about unsealed documents. What do you think might be in them? 1691 01:41:04,860 --> 01:41:08,430 And anybody who might be mentioned in them? How nervous 1692 01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:09,030 should they be? 1693 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,720 Unknown: The people who are mentioned in the documents ought 1694 01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,840 to be nervous, but not because they're going to be released 1695 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,650 next week. What the court is basically doing here is saying, 1696 01:41:19,710 --> 01:41:24,180 Yes, I am ruling if this is going to be released if there is 1697 01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:29,070 no appellate decision that overrules me. But any of the 1698 01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:33,030 names in there are going to be informed that this is going to 1699 01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:36,420 be made public and they'll have an opportunity to challenge 1700 01:41:36,420 --> 01:41:36,870 that. 1701 01:41:36,930 --> 01:41:39,990 Adam Curry: Wow. Rather than didn't nothing's gonna 1702 01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:43,080 John C. Dvorak: come out. Yeah, nobody's dimensioned. This and 1703 01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:48,510 all this report, things come in, due to all eviction mode, the 1704 01:41:48,510 --> 01:41:51,420 only other ones before their jet. In other words, if you're 1705 01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:54,570 on they'll say you're one of the John Doe's, they contact you in 1706 01:41:54,570 --> 01:41:57,510 way in advance and say you're one of the John Doe's. Do you 1707 01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:58,140 want to release? 1708 01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,010 Adam Curry: Do you want to stop it? Of course. Yeah. Right away. 1709 01:42:03,630 --> 01:42:06,330 Oh, my goodness, the only one that wants it really public 1710 01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,570 Dershowitz. He wants that out there because he knows what's in 1711 01:42:09,570 --> 01:42:12,990 it. And I guess it exonerates him he's pushed, and that's why 1712 01:42:12,990 --> 01:42:16,680 he's showing up everywhere. He wants that out. But it'll never 1713 01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,960 happen in this case. Disappointing. 1714 01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:21,690 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I was very disappointed as an optional 1715 01:42:21,690 --> 01:42:24,810 third clip, which is kind of boring. But it's, it brings out 1716 01:42:24,810 --> 01:42:26,640 a couple more details if you want to play it. 1717 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:30,210 Adam Curry: So at least for now, anyone is in there and there are 1718 01:42:30,210 --> 01:42:34,200 over 100 names that are referred to as John Doe's, we'll get an 1719 01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,530 opportunity to make an argument about why their names shouldn't 1720 01:42:37,530 --> 01:42:40,680 be made public. So far, there have only been two people 1721 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:44,610 notified? Apparently, neither of them have objected. So their 1722 01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:47,640 names would probably be released, 1723 01:42:47,670 --> 01:42:51,930 they should just do. Every everyone No, it should just be. 1724 01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:58,590 It should be Alan DOE to be Prince doe, Donald doe, Donald 1725 01:42:58,590 --> 01:43:02,250 doe. No, Anderson doe. 1726 01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:09,780 Unknown: Doe is great concern. Here is Elaine Maxwell herself. 1727 01:43:09,900 --> 01:43:13,560 This is going to be numerous depositions that she did in the 1728 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:17,580 context of this civil case. And it'll involve some very personal 1729 01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:21,630 stuff about her including about her sex life. You may even see 1730 01:43:21,630 --> 01:43:25,740 in there elements of who she may have had sex with. But without 1731 01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:30,060 naming that person, which would still stay redacted until I had 1732 01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:31,740 an opportunity to respond. 1733 01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,110 And her team said that they didn't want this release to 1734 01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:37,770 happen because it would make her her ability to get a fair trial. 1735 01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:39,930 We would infringe on that. Is that true? 1736 01:43:40,770 --> 01:43:44,130 Yeah. Well, that's always an argument that defense attorneys 1737 01:43:44,130 --> 01:43:48,420 make, that any information that would be harmful to my client 1738 01:43:48,510 --> 01:43:52,650 makes it really hard for me to get a fair trial. It's also not 1739 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:56,850 typically a winning argument. There are always ways when 1740 01:43:56,850 --> 01:43:59,850 you're looking for jurors to find people who haven't been 1741 01:43:59,850 --> 01:44:04,020 following cases like this that closely particularly when you're 1742 01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:07,770 talking about the details of what was released and what it 1743 01:44:07,770 --> 01:44:10,440 said a people have a lot of other things to do in their 1744 01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:14,370 lives and in case after case I've seen in jury selection 1745 01:44:14,490 --> 01:44:18,210 they're able to find people who would not follow these cases so 1746 01:44:18,210 --> 01:44:21,630 closely and most importantly the legal standard is that they 1747 01:44:21,630 --> 01:44:25,230 haven't developed an opinion about guilt or innocence. 1748 01:44:26,130 --> 01:44:26,760 Well, 1749 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:29,910 Adam Curry: we shall see it sounds like a big nothing burger 1750 01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:31,800 once again. And I said yeah, 1751 01:44:32,340 --> 01:44:35,520 John C. Dvorak: one thing he did say that you may or may not have 1752 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:39,750 caught which is that two people have already said they're okay 1753 01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:44,010 by them if they release all right stuff about them, right 1754 01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,250 Alan doe who are those two it's got to be Dershowitz Olindo 1755 01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:53,790 Ellen doe and whose be the other one. I wonder pooper dough. No, 1756 01:44:53,790 --> 01:44:55,560 no. poopers freaked out. 1757 01:44:57,090 --> 01:45:01,290 Adam Curry: I don't know. No, no, no. But we can't wait. We'll 1758 01:45:01,290 --> 01:45:03,090 find out something somewhere but I 1759 01:45:03,090 --> 01:45:05,490 John C. Dvorak: agree. It's gonna be it's gonna it's gonna 1760 01:45:05,490 --> 01:45:08,400 read this is gonna roll out slow. This is a blip. And 1761 01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:12,870 Adam Curry: sadly I agree with you the now of course, people 1762 01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:17,100 are dying, which is always interesting. We didn't I don't 1763 01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:21,900 know if we talked about it but late last year banker from 1764 01:45:21,900 --> 01:45:25,740 Deutsche Bank who had brokered all the Epstein loans killed 1765 01:45:25,740 --> 01:45:32,070 himself. Yeah, sure. hung himself actually. And I don't we 1766 01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:35,400 didn't talk about it. But then there's this, this killing of a 1767 01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,920 judge and the judge 1768 01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:41,040 John C. Dvorak: when we talked about it, you judge. 1769 01:45:41,820 --> 01:45:44,820 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, so 1770 01:45:44,850 --> 01:45:47,400 let me see I have a clip here. I don't think we played this. Let 1771 01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:48,630 me say this morning, 1772 01:45:48,630 --> 01:45:52,020 Unknown: new details about the attorney and self described anti 1773 01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:56,010 feminist accused of killing a federal judge's son and wounding 1774 01:45:56,010 --> 01:45:59,910 her husband. Investigators say Roy den Hollander dressed in a 1775 01:45:59,910 --> 01:46:04,320 FedEx uniform Sunday and open fire on Judge Esther Solace is 1776 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:08,280 New Jersey home when her son and husband answered the door. 1777 01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:11,880 According to The New York Times. Federal authorities are also 1778 01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:14,940 investigating whether den Hollander is connected to a 1779 01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:18,510 murder in San Bernardino, California earlier this month 1780 01:46:18,510 --> 01:46:22,260 when men's rights attorney Marc Angelucci was shot at his front 1781 01:46:22,260 --> 01:46:27,300 door by a gunman also wearing a FedEx uniform. In its 2015 case 1782 01:46:27,300 --> 01:46:31,350 before Judge Salas den Hollander represented a woman who wanted 1783 01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:34,770 to register for the military draft. He was replaced as her 1784 01:46:34,770 --> 01:46:39,090 lawyer last June before the case was fully resolved. It's unclear 1785 01:46:39,090 --> 01:46:42,990 why but it appears den Hollander held a grudge against judge 1786 01:46:42,990 --> 01:46:46,860 solace writing in a self published book that she is quote 1787 01:46:46,890 --> 01:46:51,840 a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama den 1788 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,840 Hollander is also known for suing nightclubs over there 1789 01:46:54,840 --> 01:47:00,060 ladies night discounts. Here's what he told ABC News in 2007. 1790 01:47:00,090 --> 01:47:03,630 I'm now trying to turn this tables of equality on the 1791 01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:06,690 feminazis who have changed this country. This 1792 01:47:07,139 --> 01:47:11,309 Adam Curry: is very odd this guy. And he killed himself with 1793 01:47:11,309 --> 01:47:17,159 multiple, multiple, multiple shots. It's an old classic. It's 1794 01:47:17,159 --> 01:47:20,459 like to to the head gun in the left hand. I don't know how they 1795 01:47:20,459 --> 01:47:24,719 do it is fantastic. So can be meaningless. It doesn't seem 1796 01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:27,179 like I mean, yeah, it's connected somehow. This guy is 1797 01:47:27,179 --> 01:47:30,539 weird, though. And apparently he wanted to ask the judge out on a 1798 01:47:30,539 --> 01:47:36,119 date. And she had she had turned him down. And I even saw a video 1799 01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:40,619 on Kobe, the old Colbert show where he was he was making fun 1800 01:47:40,619 --> 01:47:47,279 of him. Or some crazy guy guy. Yeah, he's gotten around. He's 1801 01:47:47,279 --> 01:47:49,319 been on TV. He's been interviewed, and then this 1802 01:47:49,319 --> 01:47:52,409 happens and what's the deal with the FedEx and the dress up? And 1803 01:47:52,679 --> 01:47:55,679 sometimes either the guy is completely whacked or who knows. 1804 01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:00,450 John C. Dvorak: Sounds like an MK Ultra gone astray. 1805 01:48:00,809 --> 01:48:03,479 Adam Curry: Now you're talking and with that, I'd like to thank 1806 01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,699 you for your courage to say in the morning to you, the man who 1807 01:48:05,699 --> 01:48:11,219 put the C in Chomsky is bait John C. Dvorak. 1808 01:48:11,340 --> 01:48:13,290 John C. Dvorak: Glenn Good morning to you Mr. Adam curry. 1809 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,420 Also in the morning all the boots on the ground feet in the 1810 01:48:15,420 --> 01:48:17,850 air sobs. Notre Dame is out there and nights in the dames in 1811 01:48:17,850 --> 01:48:19,200 the nights in the dames. Yes, 1812 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,540 Adam Curry: in the morning to our trolls in the troll room. No 1813 01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:24,420 agenda stream.com pretty helpful. Actually, today, we've 1814 01:48:24,420 --> 01:48:27,750 had some technical issues, and they've been very entertaining. 1815 01:48:28,050 --> 01:48:32,760 Not helpful, but entertaining. Looks like a bit 16 149 trolls 1816 01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:36,210 on deck no agenda stream.com is where you can listen live and we 1817 01:48:36,210 --> 01:48:40,830 do the show live but it rolls 24/7 And you can hop into the 1818 01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:43,410 chat room, which is where the trolls live and listen to the 1819 01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:47,370 stream at the same time. It's lively, there's always something 1820 01:48:47,370 --> 01:48:49,860 going on. There's always hundreds of people in there. And 1821 01:48:49,890 --> 01:48:52,950 quite a number more as you can tell today no agenda stream.com 1822 01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:56,580 While you're there, consider asking for an invite to no 1823 01:48:56,580 --> 01:49:00,030 agenda social.com Unlike Twitter, which is dangerous to 1824 01:49:00,030 --> 01:49:03,330 your health, it doesn't have the algos, the reply function works 1825 01:49:03,330 --> 01:49:06,300 kind of the way it should. And somehow you just feel better. 1826 01:49:06,330 --> 01:49:09,180 Certainly, if you're in federated mode, you can 1827 01:49:09,180 --> 01:49:12,990 communicate across servers. It's free for all it's fun for all 1828 01:49:13,230 --> 01:49:15,960 and it's where the smartest people I know hanging out, 1829 01:49:16,050 --> 01:49:20,910 including user that has no agenda social.com Then a big 1830 01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:25,920 thank you for the artwork for episode. Let's see we had 1262 1831 01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:32,490 That was use your words. And this was the bowling shoes 1832 01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:35,670 bowling ball. No agenda from Darren O'Neal. Of course, we 1833 01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:39,960 have a crack bowler who? What How old was that was the kid 1834 01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:42,210 1110 or 11? Who bowled 1835 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:44,940 John C. Dvorak: 11 You're gonna be 12 1836 01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:47,970 Adam Curry: Unbelievable. Now we did look at other stuff. I don't 1837 01:49:47,970 --> 01:49:51,720 know. I can't really remember exactly how we came up with this 1838 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,660 as Darren O'Neill's Fantastic job as always, Darren. 1839 01:49:54,930 --> 01:49:56,970 John C. Dvorak: Well, they wasn't really we didn't get a 1840 01:49:56,970 --> 01:50:00,750 lot of stock that we it was a lot of let's go look at If we 1841 01:50:00,750 --> 01:50:02,490 had a lot of stuff that was 1842 01:50:03,210 --> 01:50:04,110 Adam Curry: racist, 1843 01:50:04,410 --> 01:50:08,580 John C. Dvorak: Well, besides that, the one you like was the 1844 01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:09,720 two masks. 1845 01:50:09,779 --> 01:50:12,389 Adam Curry: That was cute. I thought it was nice and cute. 1846 01:50:13,530 --> 01:50:15,930 John C. Dvorak: Well, one of the things I noticed that O'Reilly 1847 01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:18,450 had a nice piece, but it was just that, uh, no, it wasn't. 1848 01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,220 He's resubmitted it. 1849 01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:23,700 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he's doing it with a red background. 1850 01:50:24,630 --> 01:50:26,430 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I guess that's because a nick. 1851 01:50:28,410 --> 01:50:30,840 Adam Curry: Everyone wants to do red backgrounds now. Because 1852 01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,090 that that gets your art picked? Well, I think that they're gonna 1853 01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:35,310 find out that that's absolutely not true. 1854 01:50:35,790 --> 01:50:37,980 John C. Dvorak: Yet, because we're never going to pick 1855 01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:41,250 anything with a red background ever again, ever again. Now we 1856 01:50:41,250 --> 01:50:44,310 just picked the art from the quality that it makes us laugh 1857 01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:47,580 and all around. Yeah. But it's nice to have a red background is 1858 01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:48,060 kind of cool. 1859 01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:50,520 Adam Curry: And honestly, the bowling ball was nice. You're 1860 01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,340 also a bowler? So I think that's good. Yeah, 1861 01:50:53,340 --> 01:50:55,590 John C. Dvorak: and I liked a 33 on the shoes. I think that was 1862 01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:56,460 what sold me. 1863 01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,000 Adam Curry: Thank you very much, Darren O'Neill. Thanks to all of 1864 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,670 our artists. I mean, we're making light of it. But we 1865 01:51:02,670 --> 01:51:07,380 understand exactly how much work goes into. Really, that goes 1866 01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:10,770 into making this art doing it in quick timeframe. Because the 1867 01:51:10,770 --> 01:51:14,220 minute we end the show with recording, that's when the art 1868 01:51:14,220 --> 01:51:17,940 is already up. We pick it within the within 10 or 15 minutes. So 1869 01:51:17,940 --> 01:51:21,000 thank you all for providing some massive value to the show. It 1870 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,020 makes a huge difference. Mainly because new art just grabs 1871 01:51:25,020 --> 01:51:28,200 everybody's attention. We're one of the few shows if not the one 1872 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:32,430 of really one or two shows that can does this consistently. And 1873 01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:34,980 it's a tremendous value. So thank you very much Darren no 1874 01:51:34,980 --> 01:51:38,310 agenda art generator.com. Also, a lot of his artwork flows 1875 01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:41,070 through to no agenda shop.com where the guys over there are 1876 01:51:41,070 --> 01:51:44,040 doing all kinds of crazy stuff with no agenda art, and they're 1877 01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:47,820 paying the artists were doing it and making everybody happy. And 1878 01:51:48,030 --> 01:51:51,330 we'd like to thank the people who showed up to support the 1879 01:51:51,330 --> 01:51:53,880 show financially. There's no other way we can do this. I 1880 01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,270 think if you've been listening for a bit or even just this is 1881 01:51:57,270 --> 01:52:00,690 your first show. There's obviously no commercial or 1882 01:52:00,690 --> 01:52:03,240 corporate interest that would make any sense having them 1883 01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:06,600 anywhere near this program. And which is why I've been able to 1884 01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:12,180 do it for 1263 episodes here are our executive producers. 1885 01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:15,900 John C. Dvorak: Yes, we started off with Princess JJ Liu in 1886 01:52:15,900 --> 01:52:22,050 Lakewood, Colorado. $333.33 and Princess Lou writes ITM 1887 01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:25,050 gentlemen, please refer to me as Princess JJ Lou is I wish to 1888 01:52:25,050 --> 01:52:29,820 remain anonymous. I'm a crossover from Jr. II. You have 1889 01:52:29,820 --> 01:52:33,180 organized thank you for providing an essential essential 1890 01:52:33,180 --> 01:52:37,320 service. I love the show. Jobs and goat goat karma please got 1891 01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:42,390 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs 1892 01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:55,980 Oh wait. Oh wait, news. Ba news. More 1893 01:52:56,460 --> 01:52:59,340 Adam Curry: work. Always ready for the grand dukes? 1894 01:52:59,820 --> 01:53:02,820 John C. Dvorak: Grand Duke certain new spa in Virginia 1895 01:53:02,820 --> 01:53:08,190 Beach. 314 15. Day 14 and working 14 plus hours a day in 1896 01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:12,810 pain. Prineville, Oregon. He's up in Oregon. Go meet up with 1897 01:53:12,810 --> 01:53:17,460 the melon son. Today sleep in and we'll enjoy the show as food 1898 01:53:17,460 --> 01:53:21,210 and alcohol delivered to me. Anyone interested? Will I will 1899 01:53:21,210 --> 01:53:26,610 be at the son of beers Monday and Tuesday. Six to close. No 1900 01:53:26,610 --> 01:53:31,620 agenda shirt. Mismatch Converse. Okay. 1901 01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:38,460 Adam Curry: I'm not sure exactly what that means. But okay. We 1902 01:53:38,460 --> 01:53:44,280 always love the latest updates from the Grand Duke. And where 1903 01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:47,280 is he? Where is he saying? Oh, isn't printable? What do you 1904 01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,580 think he's doing there? I have no idea. I wonder what's gonna 1905 01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:54,960 say Prineville print Prineville, Oregon Orisha get playing guitar 1906 01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,920 in the bar. Maybe he's preparing for the martial law. Yeah, 1907 01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:02,460 John C. Dvorak: maybe he's setting it up. Circus media is 1908 01:54:02,460 --> 01:54:06,180 next in Missoula, Montana. 23456 at first Associate Executive 1909 01:54:06,180 --> 01:54:10,650 producers. Jingles do a donate me Joe Biden Bo Jaiden to the 1910 01:54:10,650 --> 01:54:14,250 head logo. Yay karma for all ITM cracked button Buzzkill. Please 1911 01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:18,300 credit my donation to the local 406 meetup group awesome to meet 1912 01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:22,890 up. Thank the meetup for that. And we'll play some jingles for 1913 01:54:22,890 --> 01:54:23,100 you. 1914 01:54:23,519 --> 01:54:29,339 Adam Curry: Yes. And I am just looking for the two to the head 1915 01:54:29,339 --> 01:54:31,859 and one little girl yay was that what do you want on Yeah, little 1916 01:54:31,860 --> 01:54:32,430 John C. Dvorak: girl Yay. 1917 01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:35,670 Adam Curry: Yay. Okay, I think we have these in karma too. So 1918 01:54:35,670 --> 01:54:36,990 to accompany that, 1919 01:54:37,170 --> 01:54:50,730 John C. Dvorak: yep. For all you've got karma. Part jingles 1920 01:54:50,730 --> 01:54:56,100 tells the story. Baron sir economic hitman 217 57 Greetings 1921 01:54:56,100 --> 01:55:00,570 from barrister economic hit man jingle request more Client 1922 01:55:00,570 --> 01:55:03,690 Tourettes? guigal. What's that? 1923 01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,610 Adam Curry: I haven't Believe it or not, I have it. 1924 01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:10,110 John C. Dvorak: And jobs karma Trump version. I don't think it 1925 01:55:10,230 --> 01:55:15,420 cursed. Just because one guy said so. Okay, this is the 1926 01:55:15,420 --> 01:55:20,070 curry. Okay, we got to know which, okay, well, I forgot. I 1927 01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:23,250 don't know which we can actually it's up to you. Since I forgot 1928 01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:26,280 to ask when granted Baron status I wanted to claim my protector 1929 01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:32,580 today as Sir economic hitman Baron of Baron of congressional 1930 01:55:32,580 --> 01:55:37,170 dish. A few months ago, I asked you to put a link in the show 1931 01:55:37,170 --> 01:55:41,040 notes to promote the beta release of my iPhone app, man 1932 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:48,210 collar world now manakala fantasy MAMC ala online manakala 1933 01:55:48,210 --> 01:55:51,720 fantasy and online a turn based strategy game dating back to 1934 01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:57,150 ancient civilizations the game is at local two player mode vs 1935 01:55:57,150 --> 01:56:01,050 computer and online play well I finally publish the app to the 1936 01:56:01,050 --> 01:56:04,140 App Store last month. I'm trying to get hired as an iOS 1937 01:56:04,140 --> 01:56:07,740 developer. So every person who downloads My app is helping me 1938 01:56:07,740 --> 01:56:10,830 find a job. Would you please post this link in the show 1939 01:56:10,830 --> 01:56:15,180 notes? Can you do that? I would do it means the world to me. And 1940 01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:19,590 I think we can do that. apple.com Okay, yeah, well, 1941 01:56:19,650 --> 01:56:21,750 Adam Curry: we'll put that right next to his will in fact, we'll 1942 01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:26,010 make your credit hot. Your credit will be hot when you 1943 01:56:26,010 --> 01:56:27,930 click on your name and the credits it'll be hot. 1944 01:56:29,220 --> 01:56:32,670 John C. Dvorak: Nobody ever does that. I'm doing it. It'll be 1945 01:56:32,670 --> 01:56:35,010 hot. Nobody ever clicks on anything. 1946 01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:36,900 Adam Curry: Well, when there's that's the only one that's a 1947 01:56:36,900 --> 01:56:39,750 link and it's the top of the page mom. I think it's pretty 1948 01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:41,010 good. Pretty good placement. 1949 01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:46,320 Unknown: Yeah, it is good placement. Okay, 1950 01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,980 Adam Curry: now, hold on. I've got it. I gotta do. 1951 01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:54,480 Unknown: Thank you, Chairman Nadler, Ranking Member Collins, 1952 01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:58,110 members of the committee. First I must say I have Tourette 1953 01:56:58,110 --> 01:57:02,070 Syndrome. Sometimes I have tics and make sounds I can't control 1954 01:57:02,100 --> 01:57:03,060 so please forgive me 1955 01:57:07,980 --> 01:57:10,710 John C. Dvorak: remember that guy? He was great. Yeah, you 1956 01:57:10,770 --> 01:57:12,480 you're the only one that can actually laugh. 1957 01:57:12,839 --> 01:57:15,839 Adam Curry: Because he's my colleague. So that's why I get I 1958 01:57:15,839 --> 01:57:16,829 get the laughter that 1959 01:57:16,860 --> 01:57:17,340 Unknown: give me 1960 01:57:19,290 --> 01:57:22,470 jobs, jobs, jobs. 1961 01:57:24,990 --> 01:57:34,890 John C. Dvorak: Let's vote for John Okay, the Johnsons is the 1962 01:57:34,890 --> 01:57:38,610 Johnsons from Wisconsin 202 Senate handwritten note 1963 01:57:38,610 --> 01:57:44,580 handwritten and somebody I'm guessing it would be the fill as 1964 01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:48,630 postman is also as he doesn't he refill writes the note and I 1965 01:57:48,630 --> 01:57:50,700 would say by the looks of his handwriting, which is actually 1966 01:57:50,700 --> 01:57:55,530 printing that he's an architect Oh, it's got that certain look 1967 01:57:55,530 --> 01:57:58,230 that you see an architectural drawing. It's like they all 1968 01:57:58,230 --> 01:58:01,650 learn to write this way I'm making this donation from my son 1969 01:58:01,710 --> 01:58:06,600 for my son Philip who hit me in the mouth a month ago a while 1970 01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:12,330 back. It has been interesting to see how much this has changed 1971 01:58:12,930 --> 01:58:19,440 our family dinners with our kids aged 37 and 39 This is like 1972 01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:26,970 becoming emotionally this is like becoming emotionally debt 1973 01:58:26,970 --> 01:58:32,640 free. Like we do not always agree but we talk about things 1974 01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:36,450 that we never did before he hit me the whole family in the mouth 1975 01:58:36,450 --> 01:58:38,910 the whole family's accessed into digging into each other's 1976 01:58:39,630 --> 01:58:40,740 deconstructions 1977 01:58:41,340 --> 01:58:44,010 Adam Curry: sounds like a family I know out in California 1978 01:58:44,010 --> 01:58:44,520 somewhere 1979 01:58:44,910 --> 01:58:47,640 John C. Dvorak: not quite because they all listen to the 1980 01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:49,320 show these people the Johnsons 1981 01:58:49,500 --> 01:58:52,320 Adam Curry: All right our individual families don't 1982 01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:56,580 actually listen now well the keeper the keeper listens when 1983 01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:58,230 John C. Dvorak: there was dog walking all the time she'd 1984 01:58:58,230 --> 01:59:07,140 listened which is walking my daughter is partially finding 1985 01:59:07,140 --> 01:59:10,920 more detail on pretty much any source now she's become a search 1986 01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:18,750 attic i i Something my game up our bliss life in the mouth. 1987 01:59:19,530 --> 01:59:24,450 Grandma maybe so she is now part of the part of the party. Yay. 1988 01:59:24,750 --> 01:59:28,380 All right grandma having a meeting that's almost 1989 01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:28,920 impossible. 1990 01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:32,250 Adam Curry: What is written in block letters or is his written 1991 01:59:32,250 --> 01:59:33,150 block letters but 1992 01:59:33,150 --> 01:59:38,130 John C. Dvorak: like for example, the R looks like an N 1993 01:59:38,130 --> 01:59:39,900 That's kind of laid on its side 1994 01:59:39,929 --> 01:59:43,049 Adam Curry: is it from a newspaper letters. 1995 01:59:43,889 --> 01:59:46,679 John C. Dvorak: We will add this to our son's accounting as he 1996 01:59:46,679 --> 01:59:51,449 has been a subscriber for a long while now but I wanted to have 1997 01:59:51,449 --> 01:59:54,809 you add him to your list of Associate Executive Okay this 1998 01:59:54,809 --> 01:59:57,959 has to be switched to him. Okay, please give a break. Get your 1999 01:59:57,959 --> 02:00:03,059 pen out sorry birthday call out a missed Yeah. Birthday, his 2000 02:00:03,059 --> 02:00:06,569 birthday the son, July 23. 2001 02:00:06,599 --> 02:00:08,579 Adam Curry: And what's his name? Well, I'm 2002 02:00:08,580 --> 02:00:10,080 John C. Dvorak: not have to go back and figure out what his 2003 02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:11,430 name is son, Philip. 2004 02:00:12,179 --> 02:00:14,549 Adam Curry: Philip. What's his last name? 2005 02:00:15,630 --> 02:00:17,280 John C. Dvorak: Philip Johnson. Johnson. 2006 02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:20,550 Adam Curry: Okay. And do we know how old he was? 2007 02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:25,440 John C. Dvorak: Doesn't say okay, but he's probably in his 2008 02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:29,400 30s. Now he does have jingles. And I forgot that I've been 2009 02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:34,200 remiss because I've been so mind boggled by this. He needs three 2010 02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:39,300 jingles. He needs we're all gonna die from Obama. That's 2011 02:00:39,300 --> 02:00:43,380 true. That's true. And shut up slave. Pretty easy. 2012 02:00:44,730 --> 02:00:46,770 Adam Curry: Okay, was there anything else on his note? 2013 02:00:47,549 --> 02:00:49,409 John C. Dvorak: No. And as I mentioned, karma, so we're 2014 02:00:49,409 --> 02:00:56,459 giving the son the, the money or the money the money? Yeah. All 2015 02:00:56,459 --> 02:01:01,619 right. Credit and karma. Again, my karma the whole family. It's 2016 02:01:01,619 --> 02:01:05,969 true. You've got 2017 02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:10,290 Adam Curry: not messing around straight to the goat. 2018 02:01:10,950 --> 02:01:16,650 John C. Dvorak: It's not too bad. And there we have our David 2019 02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:19,980 Duke de Fuca. zotoh at Duke of America's heartland and Arabian 2020 02:01:19,980 --> 02:01:22,950 Peninsula in Gladstone, Missouri was actually in Saudi Arabia we 2021 02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:28,380 think at $200.33 says had no story to tell. No no it just 2022 02:01:28,380 --> 02:01:29,310 karma you got 2023 02:01:29,310 --> 02:01:31,350 Adam Curry: it. We're happy to give you some karma. Throw in 2024 02:01:31,350 --> 02:01:35,910 some extra goat. You've got karma. Goat 2025 02:01:36,750 --> 02:01:41,430 John C. Dvorak: Dustin Dhanam in Tao, Texas, or tau tau, I think 2026 02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:48,120 is tau pow. $200.33 a John anatomy donated to back in 2011 2027 02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,030 with the amount of 1864 but never got a shout out. Oh, 2028 02:01:51,750 --> 02:01:56,490 apparently $50 is a cut out Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. After nine 2029 02:01:56,490 --> 02:02:00,090 years of listening on and off I'm requested to be deduced and 2030 02:02:00,090 --> 02:02:02,850 a job of karma for all listening who are suffering during this 2031 02:02:02,850 --> 02:02:07,980 crisis. Best to you guys and the no agenda family. You've been 2032 02:02:09,210 --> 02:02:10,830 Adam Curry: man Good to have you here. 2033 02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:15,660 Unknown: Jobs, jobs and jobs. Or jobs. 2034 02:02:18,690 --> 02:02:21,870 John C. Dvorak: At the byte count air era daringness back oh 2035 02:02:21,870 --> 02:02:25,170 nice heard from him for well trabuco Canyon, California. 2036 02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:28,170 Thanks for the fantastic deconstruction of the media I'm 2037 02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:31,710 constantly hitting people in the mouth. It only saves our 2038 02:02:31,710 --> 02:02:36,660 amygdala if it if it only saves our amygdala is worth it all. No 2039 02:02:36,660 --> 02:02:42,240 jingles no karma. Sir era Darien and in fact last but not least 2040 02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:46,290 is Dame Judi shorts the Baroness of Kendall County in Bernie 2041 02:02:46,290 --> 02:02:51,390 Texas. $200. John's response to the stay safe with his classic 2042 02:02:51,390 --> 02:02:55,950 of Buck yourself. That deserves a donation. Well done, sir. made 2043 02:02:55,950 --> 02:02:56,460 his money 2044 02:02:56,550 --> 02:03:00,300 Adam Curry: well done. It was the talk of the town. I'll tell 2045 02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:00,510 you, 2046 02:03:00,900 --> 02:03:03,660 John C. Dvorak: a talker. Love you, John. Thanks for keeping me 2047 02:03:03,660 --> 02:03:08,100 giggling out loud. The Baroness of Kendall County, Bernie, 2048 02:03:08,100 --> 02:03:11,010 Texas. I want to thank all these folks for contributing to the 2049 02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:14,820 show at 1263. And being the executive and Associate 2050 02:03:14,820 --> 02:03:16,800 Executive producers for said show. 2051 02:03:16,830 --> 02:03:20,790 Adam Curry: Yes, it is highly appreciated. The model that has 2052 02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:25,920 been keeping us going for 13 years and counting. It's a 2053 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,620 roller coaster, it goes up and down. But somehow people are 2054 02:03:28,620 --> 02:03:32,100 always there to bring us to pull us through. And we really 2055 02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:34,950 appreciate it the executive producers Associate Executive 2056 02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:38,130 Producers can use these titles anywhere they are recognized and 2057 02:03:38,130 --> 02:03:41,820 valued which is pretty much anywhere in show business then 2058 02:03:41,850 --> 02:03:44,850 or the entertainment business in general. And if anyone has any 2059 02:03:44,850 --> 02:03:47,310 questions, you go ahead and send them to us will vouch for you 2060 02:03:47,460 --> 02:03:50,730 and thank you for supporting and producing the best podcast in 2061 02:03:50,730 --> 02:03:54,900 the universe 1263 And please consider supporting us for the 2062 02:03:54,900 --> 02:03:57,030 next show which will be on Thursday by going to 2063 02:03:57,060 --> 02:04:01,920 vorak.org/and a I think we brought you pretty much up to 2064 02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:05,940 date on everything the media is obfuscating. Our formula is 2065 02:04:05,940 --> 02:04:09,180 John C. Dvorak: this we go out yet people 2066 02:04:09,180 --> 02:04:26,130 Adam Curry: in the mouth All righty, all righty then once you 2067 02:04:26,130 --> 02:04:26,460 got 2068 02:04:26,490 --> 02:04:28,560 John C. Dvorak: we're gonna see a couple of things where we 2069 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:32,040 should do our China thing. Yeah, let's do this man shine. I also 2070 02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:34,350 have a substance abuse special four part special 2071 02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:37,830 Adam Curry: substance abuse special. Oh, my. And now, 2072 02:04:38,460 --> 02:04:41,940 John C. Dvorak: Pompeo came out with the fourth speech. Yeah. As 2073 02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:45,600 a group. Yes. Yes. And he talked about it. Now. This was 2074 02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,660 interesting. You would have loved it because it was it was 2075 02:04:48,660 --> 02:04:52,110 Dr. Nixon library. Outside. 2076 02:04:53,580 --> 02:04:55,800 Adam Curry: Wait, wait, was it How was the weather? 2077 02:04:55,860 --> 02:04:58,860 John C. Dvorak: Let me ask that first. It was windy. 2078 02:04:58,890 --> 02:05:03,240 Adam Curry: Oh my Goodness, did we have any form of microphone 2079 02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:05,100 protection going on for this thing? That'd 2080 02:05:05,100 --> 02:05:07,020 John C. Dvorak: be a dead kitten on there or something like that. 2081 02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:11,820 That's a particularly good one with the wind. Yeah. But no, no, 2082 02:05:11,850 --> 02:05:15,300 it's just to to bear Mike sitting there, you know, and 2083 02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:19,470 he's yakking away the winds, blowing every so often screwing 2084 02:05:19,470 --> 02:05:22,200 him up and you can barely hear him. And nobody covered it. I 2085 02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:26,520 noticed that I was watching the AMY GOODMAN biography, nothing 2086 02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:28,890 and she showed a picture of him talking about it. And he never 2087 02:05:28,890 --> 02:05:32,610 played even a clip, because it was so important for me to play 2088 02:05:32,610 --> 02:05:39,060 the entire grouse section. With the AOC on the floor of the 2089 02:05:39,060 --> 02:05:42,780 Congress, moaning and groaning about being called a bitch on 2090 02:05:42,780 --> 02:05:43,320 the steps. 2091 02:05:43,410 --> 02:05:45,840 Adam Curry: I think it was an effing bitch. She went a little 2092 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:47,160 further than that effing 2093 02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:50,670 John C. Dvorak: bitch. Yeah. So it showed week, and nobody 2094 02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:54,360 played any of this stuff. So this is all new now. It's just 2095 02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:57,270 beyond me. But nobody seems to be paying attention to this or 2096 02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:59,880 the executive orders. I mean, they're the news media is 2097 02:05:59,880 --> 02:06:04,470 really, really screwing us screwing the public. So I do 2098 02:06:04,470 --> 02:06:08,310 have the Pompeo speech, I want to play it. I don't know how to 2099 02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:10,770 play. The whole thing went on for 20 minutes by I've got the 2100 02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:13,920 first two minutes of it, that I think pretty much summarize, but 2101 02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,930 he's one of those guys who's going to tell you what he's 2102 02:06:15,930 --> 02:06:17,550 going to tell you that he's going to tell you and he's going 2103 02:06:17,550 --> 02:06:19,410 to tell you what he told you. And then he told he's going to 2104 02:06:19,410 --> 02:06:21,120 tell us what he's going to tell us. And so we know the whole 2105 02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:21,390 thing. 2106 02:06:21,450 --> 02:06:24,480 Unknown: One area in particular that I saw which was cited in x, 2107 02:06:24,690 --> 02:06:26,640 Adam Curry: sorry, that is not Pompeo, 2108 02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:30,450 Ambassador Brian spoke about ideology. FBI Director Ray 2109 02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,390 talked about espionage Attorney General Barr spoke about 2110 02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:37,680 economics. And now my goal today is to put it all together for 2111 02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:40,230 the American people in detail what the China threat means for 2112 02:06:40,230 --> 02:06:45,510 our economy, for our liberty, and indeed for the future of 2113 02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:49,410 free democracies around the world. Next year, marks half a 2114 02:06:49,410 --> 02:06:53,130 century. Since Dr. Kissinger secret missing to China, and the 2115 02:06:53,130 --> 02:06:57,810 50th anniversary of President Nixon strip isn't too far away 2116 02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:02,490 in 2022. You know, the world was much different than we imagined 2117 02:07:02,670 --> 02:07:05,040 engagement with China would produce a future with bright 2118 02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:08,850 promise of comedy and cooperation. But today, today, 2119 02:07:08,850 --> 02:07:11,580 we're all still wearing masks and watching the pandemics body 2120 02:07:11,580 --> 02:07:14,850 count dies because the CCP failed in its promises to the 2121 02:07:14,850 --> 02:07:15,600 world. Hold on 2122 02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:20,580 a second. What body count rise who side? Is he on? That bull 2123 02:07:20,580 --> 02:07:23,940 crap you can say? You can say well, I guess he's just sort of 2124 02:07:23,940 --> 02:07:26,250 make China look asshole. But that bullshit 2125 02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:29,220 today. Today, we're all still wearing masks and watching the 2126 02:07:29,220 --> 02:07:32,520 pandemics body count rise because the CCP failed and its 2127 02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:36,000 promises to the world. We're reading every morning New 2128 02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:40,350 headlines of repression in Hong Kong. And in Xinjiang, we're 2129 02:07:40,350 --> 02:07:42,900 seeing staggering statistic of Chinese trade abuses that cost 2130 02:07:42,900 --> 02:07:45,630 American jobs and strike enormous blows to the economies 2131 02:07:45,630 --> 02:07:49,080 all across America, including here in Southern California. And 2132 02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,870 we're watching a Chinese military that grow stronger, and 2133 02:07:51,870 --> 02:07:56,310 stronger, and indeed more menacing. Echo the questions 2134 02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:58,110 ringing in the hearts and minds of Americans from here in 2135 02:07:58,110 --> 02:08:01,260 California to my home state of Kansas and beyond. What did the 2136 02:08:01,260 --> 02:08:05,340 American people have to show now 50 years on from engagement with 2137 02:08:05,340 --> 02:08:10,170 China? Did the theories of our leaders that proposed Chinese 2138 02:08:10,170 --> 02:08:16,020 evolution towards freedom and democracy proved to be true? Is 2139 02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:20,580 this China's definition of a win win situation? And indeed, 2140 02:08:20,580 --> 02:08:24,060 centrally from Secretary of State's perspective, is America 2141 02:08:24,060 --> 02:08:27,390 safer? Do we have a greater likelihood of peace for 2142 02:08:27,390 --> 02:08:30,090 ourselves and peace for the generations which will follow 2143 02:08:30,090 --> 02:08:32,850 us? Look, we have to admit a hard truth we must have been our 2144 02:08:32,850 --> 02:08:35,340 truth should guide us in the years and decades to come. That 2145 02:08:35,340 --> 02:08:38,190 if we want to have a free 21st century and not the Chinese 2146 02:08:38,190 --> 02:08:42,300 century, of which Xi Jinping dreams, the old paradigm of 2147 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:45,990 blind engagement with China simply won't get it done. We 2148 02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:48,600 must not continue it. And we must not return to it. 2149 02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:53,250 Yeah, the wind is a little distracting. 2150 02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,070 John C. Dvorak: It's worse it's worse later. 2151 02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:57,840 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. 2152 02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,420 John C. Dvorak: I mean that was the best of the whole thing 2153 02:09:00,450 --> 02:09:04,410 Adam Curry: was but what did he really say other than China man 2154 02:09:04,410 --> 02:09:07,560 John C. Dvorak: bad? Yeah, no, I'm gonna read some one of our 2155 02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:12,060 producers sent a copy of the of the China that thing is to 2156 02:09:12,060 --> 02:09:14,430 insert in the New York Times that China values to kind of 2157 02:09:14,430 --> 02:09:18,060 daily or whatever it is daily. Yeah. Is that it was kind of 2158 02:09:18,060 --> 02:09:21,270 funny because he did. Obviously they're not native speakers. 2159 02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:25,080 Nobody writes like this. He says, this is a paragraph I'm 2160 02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:29,820 gonna read. This claim of amicable goodness came despite 2161 02:09:29,820 --> 02:09:34,530 the US is leading flibbertigibbet on everything 2162 02:09:34,530 --> 02:09:38,280 Chinese saying that his country hopes like minded nations can 2163 02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:44,040 build a coalition against China. So a flibbertigibbet is that is 2164 02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:50,550 what they call. Pompeo, a flibbertigibbet. Yeah, and 2165 02:09:50,580 --> 02:09:53,400 because of this show is largely educational. Yeah, can you give 2166 02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:56,610 me a spelling first I better than that. It used to be that it 2167 02:09:56,610 --> 02:09:59,760 was a word of the day sometime back on the Merriam Webster site 2168 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:00,090 and I You 2169 02:10:00,090 --> 02:10:03,990 Adam Curry: have a clip. Oh, okay, well, it's not titled word 2170 02:10:04,020 --> 02:10:06,510 of the day. Okay, I was gonna say I was looking for 2171 02:10:06,510 --> 02:10:07,350 flibbertigibbet. 2172 02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:11,550 Unknown: It's Merriam Webster's word of the day for December 17. 2173 02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:20,610 Today's word is flibbertigibbet spelled Fli. BB ERTIGIBBE. T 2174 02:10:20,940 --> 02:10:25,080 flibbertigibbet is a noun that means a silly flighty person. 2175 02:10:25,710 --> 02:10:27,930 Here's the word used in a sentence from the Arizona 2176 02:10:27,930 --> 02:10:32,550 Republic by Carrie L'Engle as played by a breathless Vinnie 2177 02:10:32,550 --> 02:10:35,940 Chavez, the young prince is a petulant flibbertigibbet 2178 02:10:36,150 --> 02:10:39,720 obsessed with visual glamour, which gets in the way of his 2179 02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:43,830 search for a suitable princess to marry. The word 2180 02:10:43,830 --> 02:10:46,920 flibbertigibbet is one of many incarnations of the Middle 2181 02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:51,420 English word flipper gibbet, meaning gossip or chatter. It's 2182 02:10:51,420 --> 02:10:55,230 a word of onomatopoeic origin created from sounds that were 2183 02:10:55,230 --> 02:10:59,400 intended to represent meaningless chatter. Shakespeare 2184 02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:03,960 apparently saw a devilish aspect to a gossipy chatter. He used 2185 02:11:03,960 --> 02:11:08,220 flibbertigibbet in King Lear as the name of a devil. This use 2186 02:11:08,220 --> 02:11:11,310 never caught on, but the devilish connotation of the word 2187 02:11:11,340 --> 02:11:15,390 reappeared over 200 years later, when Sir Walter Scott used 2188 02:11:15,420 --> 02:11:19,770 flibbertigibbet as the nickname of an impish urchin in the novel 2189 02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:24,780 Kenilworth fish, meaning derived from Scott's character was short 2190 02:11:24,780 --> 02:11:28,950 lived and was laid to rest by the 19th century's end, leaving 2191 02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:32,820 us only with the silly flighty person meeting with your Word of 2192 02:11:32,820 --> 02:11:34,500 the Day. I'm Peter Sokolowski, 2193 02:11:34,530 --> 02:11:41,340 Adam Curry: that is a fantastic word of the day. And if I were 2194 02:11:42,690 --> 02:11:48,060 representative Yoho I would go straight to miss Alexandria 2195 02:11:48,060 --> 02:11:52,560 Ocasio Cortez and say, Sandy, listen up. You misheard me. I 2196 02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:56,730 didn't call you an FM bitch. I called you flibbertigibbet. If 2197 02:11:56,730 --> 02:11:58,890 not, that's what you are. Now. This is a new word 2198 02:11:58,890 --> 02:11:59,730 flibbertigibbet. 2199 02:12:00,390 --> 02:12:02,640 John C. Dvorak: I think that's actually does describe her. 2200 02:12:03,690 --> 02:12:07,350 Adam Curry: Yeah, so to some degree. That's a good one does, 2201 02:12:07,380 --> 02:12:07,770 yeah. 2202 02:12:08,339 --> 02:12:11,069 John C. Dvorak: So So he goes on and he says the same stuff that 2203 02:12:11,069 --> 02:12:13,019 everybody else said kind of complaining, moaning and 2204 02:12:13,019 --> 02:12:17,069 groaning but curiously, at the Center for Strategic 2205 02:12:17,069 --> 02:12:25,709 International Studies, Zs I S. Yes. Romney was on there. Being 2206 02:12:25,709 --> 02:12:28,649 the blowhard that he is pretty much saying the same thing. But 2207 02:12:28,679 --> 02:12:31,709 But kind of condemning Trump. I don't know how he manages to do 2208 02:12:31,709 --> 02:12:31,949 this. 2209 02:12:31,980 --> 02:12:34,410 Adam Curry: Now what? What is this? What is this organization? 2210 02:12:34,410 --> 02:12:36,870 This si s is? 2211 02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:41,160 John C. Dvorak: It's a it's run? I don't know. But it's it's one 2212 02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:45,300 of those think tanks that is probably up front for some. I 2213 02:12:45,300 --> 02:12:48,060 didn't look into it any extreme. You might want to leave. If it 2214 02:12:48,060 --> 02:12:50,940 shows up again. We probably will. It has Bob Schaeffer 2215 02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:55,080 running a video operation. He wasn't available for this one. 2216 02:12:55,290 --> 02:12:57,660 Yeah. And he runs a video operation that does a bunch of 2217 02:12:57,660 --> 02:12:58,920 clips on this place. 2218 02:12:58,980 --> 02:13:04,170 Adam Curry: Well, Thomas Thomas, Jay Pritzker, is the chairman of 2219 02:13:04,170 --> 02:13:07,650 the board. I think enough said, Yeah, 2220 02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:09,660 John C. Dvorak: well, definitely. Definitely. 2221 02:13:09,660 --> 02:13:13,230 Definitely. So let's listen to a couple of Romney things because 2222 02:13:13,230 --> 02:13:16,650 this is okay. Seems to be on board with Trump. But he he's 2223 02:13:16,650 --> 02:13:20,310 not really I have the one extra clip by says call Romney one. 2224 02:13:20,430 --> 02:13:22,530 Yes. Got it. That's the one 2225 02:13:22,590 --> 02:13:26,280 didn't before we came on air, right. You've called China that 2226 02:13:26,430 --> 02:13:30,300 issue of our era. And you also said we're all fast asleep at 2227 02:13:30,300 --> 02:13:34,500 the wheel basically about this. What did you mean by that? Well, 2228 02:13:34,500 --> 02:13:39,930 I do believe that China represents an enormous threat to 2229 02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:45,630 liberal democracy, generally, to the economic vitality of the of 2230 02:13:45,630 --> 02:13:49,950 the of the world, to freedoms not only for its own people, but 2231 02:13:49,950 --> 02:13:53,580 for people the world. China has a very different model that 2232 02:13:53,580 --> 02:13:56,820 they're operating from. They've expressed their ambition to 2233 02:13:56,820 --> 02:14:00,600 dominate the world, to become the geopolitical leader of the 2234 02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,260 world, replacing the United States and the West, to become 2235 02:14:04,260 --> 02:14:09,090 the military power of the world, and also the economic power of 2236 02:14:09,090 --> 02:14:12,840 the world. And they believe that that's their rightful place. 2237 02:14:13,140 --> 02:14:17,970 They had that kind of hegemony, once upon a time, a long, long, 2238 02:14:17,970 --> 02:14:21,000 long time ago. And they believe that that was taken away from 2239 02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:24,810 them by colonial powers, and they intend to reassert their 2240 02:14:24,810 --> 02:14:30,000 global leadership. And were they able to do so? I think we would 2241 02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,720 find ourselves being impoverished relatively, we 2242 02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:37,740 would, we would find ourselves in an authoritarian type state 2243 02:14:37,740 --> 02:14:42,120 being monitored by government officials. We would not have the 2244 02:14:42,330 --> 02:14:45,360 freedoms which we have long enjoyed and the American 2245 02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,010 experiment would have come to an end 2246 02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:51,450 Adam Curry: to big drinking club displace the CSIS. Everyone's in 2247 02:14:51,450 --> 02:14:52,830 it, including Kissinger. 2248 02:14:55,320 --> 02:14:57,900 John C. Dvorak: Well, Romney I don't think he's in it. He might 2249 02:14:57,900 --> 02:15:00,690 be but they just interview all these different people. So I'm 2250 02:15:00,690 --> 02:15:04,620 sure there's some good stuff. No, yeah. Not at the institute 2251 02:15:04,620 --> 02:15:09,570 itself. But in these interviews, let's go to clip two is short. 2252 02:15:09,900 --> 02:15:13,080 And this isn't something we would hide from China. But it's 2253 02:15:13,110 --> 02:15:17,220 insane. For instance, you, you cannot continue to massively 2254 02:15:17,220 --> 02:15:21,540 subsidized industries, selling products massively below their 2255 02:15:21,540 --> 02:15:25,650 cost, such that you drive Western businesses out of 2256 02:15:25,650 --> 02:15:30,960 business, laying people off, weakening us economically, and 2257 02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:36,690 hollowing out our economic capabilities. And, and that is 2258 02:15:36,690 --> 02:15:38,730 something that has to happen. And I think I think you make a 2259 02:15:38,730 --> 02:15:41,610 good point what we've seen China doing both in the South China 2260 02:15:41,610 --> 02:15:46,650 Sea, in Hong Kong, with the Uyghurs with their social 2261 02:15:46,650 --> 02:15:51,120 scoring, where by virtue of have cameras on every corner, and 2262 02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:54,930 facial recognition, technology, repressing individuals who want 2263 02:15:54,930 --> 02:15:58,200 to express their independent point of view, all of these 2264 02:15:58,200 --> 02:16:01,740 things are waking up, I think other nations and their this all 2265 02:16:01,740 --> 02:16:05,640 presents an opportunity for the leadership of America to stand 2266 02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:08,610 up and coalesce international effort. 2267 02:16:09,270 --> 02:16:12,600 Adam Curry: You know, what really bothers me when people 2268 02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:17,820 bring up the Uyghurs that drone footage is bothersome. Where did 2269 02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:22,470 it come from? It just shows up and there's no explanation as to 2270 02:16:22,500 --> 02:16:24,120 you know, it's two years old. 2271 02:16:24,330 --> 02:16:27,420 John C. Dvorak: I just I disregard the drone footage. I 2272 02:16:27,480 --> 02:16:29,850 think I've seen it once. I didn't think much about it. 2273 02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:31,290 Okay, I don't care. 2274 02:16:31,530 --> 02:16:34,620 Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's really made the story catch legs 2275 02:16:34,620 --> 02:16:36,300 as far as I'm concerned as to the drone footage. 2276 02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,600 John C. Dvorak: That surprised me. Right. I thought that what 2277 02:16:39,600 --> 02:16:42,030 we your story was should have caught legs before if the media 2278 02:16:42,030 --> 02:16:45,630 was doing his job. But they weren't because China runs them. 2279 02:16:45,630 --> 02:16:49,590 So what are you going to do? Nothing. It by the way, we're 2280 02:16:49,590 --> 02:16:53,940 not the only country that kind of gets gets hoodwinked and 2281 02:16:54,030 --> 02:16:57,570 evolved. Thanks. And I think clip three is actually kind of 2282 02:16:57,570 --> 02:16:59,190 an eye opener. Yeah. And 2283 02:16:59,190 --> 02:17:01,830 speaking of the Uighur population, the BBC just shown 2284 02:17:01,860 --> 02:17:06,600 showed drone footage on July 19 is you know, of a blindfolded 2285 02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:11,190 Uighur Muslims seemed to be like moving them on to trains. And 2286 02:17:11,850 --> 02:17:15,480 there's some sense that there's a there's a public backlash, 2287 02:17:15,510 --> 02:17:19,590 both in the UK and Australia about that, if you do have any 2288 02:17:19,590 --> 02:17:24,570 sense of that. Yeah, I find it astonishing that China by virtue 2289 02:17:24,570 --> 02:17:29,670 of their repression of free speech, and the media is able to 2290 02:17:29,670 --> 02:17:32,940 keep the story of what they're doing in their own nation, as 2291 02:17:32,940 --> 02:17:37,440 quiet as it is. And perhaps some countries are used to the money 2292 02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:40,830 they're getting from China for investment. And as a result of 2293 02:17:40,830 --> 02:17:43,080 that, well, let us say anything, I mean, how do you take a nation 2294 02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:48,420 like Iran, a, an Islamic nation that doesn't speak out about the 2295 02:17:48,420 --> 02:17:54,300 repression of Muslims? In China, the wiggers, but but virtual 2296 02:17:54,300 --> 02:17:57,480 silence, how can that be? And then you understand that there's 2297 02:17:57,480 --> 02:18:04,050 a proposal to provide some $500 billion in projects in Iran, by 2298 02:18:04,050 --> 02:18:07,260 China. And look at us here, this country, we're not willing to 2299 02:18:07,260 --> 02:18:09,570 spend that kind of money on our own infrastructure. China is 2300 02:18:09,570 --> 02:18:13,410 willing to spend it on infrastructure in Iran. So not 2301 02:18:13,410 --> 02:18:15,420 surprisingly, Iran gets very quiet. 2302 02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:19,710 Adam Curry: But isn't Isn't he the Iran shield? Isn't that what 2303 02:18:19,710 --> 02:18:23,190 Romney does? Is it doesn't Ian's have like his daughters married 2304 02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:24,930 to someone over there some crazy stuff 2305 02:18:24,930 --> 02:18:26,700 John C. Dvorak: like that. From the sounds of it? He's not any 2306 02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:27,690 more. Yeah, 2307 02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,750 Adam Curry: that's very odd. I'm not I'm not sure why he why he's 2308 02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:31,410 doing that. 2309 02:18:32,190 --> 02:18:34,590 John C. Dvorak: Oh, well, it was a very good point. I have to 2310 02:18:34,590 --> 02:18:40,230 say. It's an N and hilarious. Are you interested in anymore? 2311 02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:42,540 This was almost material. 2312 02:18:42,570 --> 02:18:45,330 Adam Curry: You could stop. I have some stop me. I have some 2313 02:18:45,330 --> 02:18:46,170 Chinese stuff. 2314 02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:49,770 John C. Dvorak: Okay, well, let's play a clip for a gig. He 2315 02:18:49,770 --> 02:18:52,200 outlines a procedure. I think this is kind of interesting. 2316 02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:55,860 Adam Curry: I love how you say do you want to want to go on you 2317 02:18:55,860 --> 02:18:58,020 want to take my son I got some Chinese stuff. Okay, let's play 2318 02:18:58,020 --> 02:18:59,250 clip for good. So let's 2319 02:18:59,969 --> 02:19:02,429 John C. Dvorak: hold on a second. You said you like to 2320 02:19:02,429 --> 02:19:04,409 China so I didn't know you have Chinese stuff? 2321 02:19:04,830 --> 02:19:08,190 Adam Curry: Yeah. I don't dislike is I just thought you 2322 02:19:08,190 --> 02:19:10,590 were giving up on your clips. And so I said, Okay, I got some 2323 02:19:10,590 --> 02:19:11,280 Chinese stuff. 2324 02:19:11,340 --> 02:19:12,990 John C. Dvorak: Oh, I see. I miss it. Alright, 2325 02:19:13,469 --> 02:19:15,419 Adam Curry: we're gonna form we're gonna for Hell yeah. 2326 02:19:15,450 --> 02:19:18,000 John C. Dvorak: So let's talk about technology minute as we 2327 02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:22,590 move into the 5g world. There's a lot of concern about Huawei, 2328 02:19:22,590 --> 02:19:26,700 of course, and, again, another country, another country that 2329 02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:30,330 seems to be stepping away from China, the UK announced that 2330 02:19:30,630 --> 02:19:34,020 from next year on it'll be illegal for telecom operators to 2331 02:19:34,020 --> 02:19:38,250 buy 5g equipment from Huawei. How do you see that playing out? 2332 02:19:39,300 --> 02:19:43,650 Well, I think Huawei is a good example of what's happening in 2333 02:19:43,710 --> 02:19:48,930 numerous areas that China focuses upon. Huawei is the is 2334 02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:52,620 one which has such enormous national security implications 2335 02:19:52,620 --> 02:19:56,670 that it really opened a lot of eyes and made people more aware 2336 02:19:56,670 --> 02:19:59,700 of the threat but here's a circumstance where China has 2337 02:19:59,700 --> 02:20:02,550 basic They said, Look, one of the technologies of the future 2338 02:20:02,550 --> 02:20:06,990 is 5g, we as a government are going to invest massively in 5g 2339 02:20:06,990 --> 02:20:10,140 technology. And then we're going to price our products, well 2340 02:20:10,140 --> 02:20:14,520 below cost, so that no Western company could possibly compete. 2341 02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:18,360 And by virtue of that strategy, they've kept Western companies 2342 02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:21,210 from making the investments in new technology and innovation 2343 02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:24,690 that would allow the Western enterprises to compete. And so 2344 02:20:24,690 --> 02:20:27,870 the telecoms that need equipment are obviously going to buy the 2345 02:20:27,870 --> 02:20:30,450 equipment that's low cost, and that has been developed by 2346 02:20:30,450 --> 02:20:34,260 China. And this is an approach they have rolled out in industry 2347 02:20:34,260 --> 02:20:38,160 after industry, they did it first in steel. Deck decade or 2348 02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:41,310 so ago, they had 5% of the world's steel market. Today, 2349 02:20:41,310 --> 02:20:45,060 they have 53% of the world's steel market. They didn't happen 2350 02:20:45,060 --> 02:20:49,020 to do that, just by skill force on industry, they subsidize 2351 02:20:49,020 --> 02:20:52,470 industry. they price their products massively below cost 2352 02:20:52,470 --> 02:20:54,930 and drove the Western companies out of business. They have done 2353 02:20:54,930 --> 02:20:58,200 that with regards to 5g. But my own view is this. And I, you 2354 02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:01,950 know, I, I can't impose this view on our nation, let alone 2355 02:21:01,980 --> 02:21:06,780 other nations. But my own view is that on technologies that are 2356 02:21:06,780 --> 02:21:10,980 key to our national defense, that we ought to insist that 2357 02:21:10,980 --> 02:21:15,450 nations that free nations only buy those products from other 2358 02:21:15,450 --> 02:21:20,130 free nations. And the nations that are that are not free, that 2359 02:21:20,130 --> 02:21:23,760 are authoritarian, and that our military designs against the 2360 02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:27,390 West that they cannot be the source of key products that 2361 02:21:27,390 --> 02:21:31,230 become part of our our national defense infrastructure. 2362 02:21:31,260 --> 02:21:34,140 Donald Trump don't trust China, China is as HoH 2363 02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:36,960 Adam Curry: yep, that's what they did. Now, the UK is trying 2364 02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:39,990 to persuade all of the European Union to get rid of Huawei. 2365 02:21:42,300 --> 02:21:46,500 John C. Dvorak: No, they probably should. Yeah. But let's 2366 02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:48,750 play this last tip be done, you can take over 2367 02:21:48,930 --> 02:21:51,900 well, you recall the the comments of Deng Xiaoping a long 2368 02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:57,750 time ago where he said that that China should have bide its time 2369 02:21:57,990 --> 02:22:01,020 that it should build its strength quietly, and and not if 2370 02:22:01,020 --> 02:22:04,830 you will wake up the sleeping giant of the West. And and they 2371 02:22:04,830 --> 02:22:07,980 have pursued that strategy for the last decade or so. But in 2372 02:22:07,980 --> 02:22:11,130 the last few years, they obviously have recalculated and 2373 02:22:11,130 --> 02:22:13,320 said, you know, what we've already established the kind of 2374 02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:16,200 strength we need, and we no longer need to hide our hide our 2375 02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:20,190 ambition. And so they speak openly of their ambition to 2376 02:22:20,190 --> 02:22:23,280 dominate the world economically and militarily geopolitically, 2377 02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:27,780 and they're exerting their, their influence and exerting 2378 02:22:27,780 --> 02:22:30,420 their military might and their economic might, in part by 2379 02:22:30,420 --> 02:22:33,930 saying, there's nothing the West can do about it. And they look 2380 02:22:33,930 --> 02:22:36,990 at us, I think it's less a matter of COVID. And seeing us 2381 02:22:36,990 --> 02:22:40,650 distracted from COVID. And more a matter of seeing the absence 2382 02:22:40,650 --> 02:22:43,770 of American leadership in bringing together the nations of 2383 02:22:43,770 --> 02:22:47,160 the world confront the unfair practices that China is 2384 02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:47,730 pursuing, 2385 02:22:47,820 --> 02:22:49,920 Adam Curry: oh, man, I can't believe it didn't vote for you, 2386 02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:51,570 Romney. It would have 2387 02:22:51,570 --> 02:22:54,600 John C. Dvorak: been because on the part that you didn't clip 2388 02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:58,860 because it's so boring, he talks about how to resolve this. And 2389 02:22:59,220 --> 02:23:02,340 he's, he didn't get voted in because I didn't realize it 2390 02:23:02,340 --> 02:23:06,480 until I listened to this. He's basically John Kerry. That's 2391 02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:10,500 that doesn't get quite as wound up in his own words. He wants to 2392 02:23:10,500 --> 02:23:15,000 set up a bunch of committees and let's do some meetings. And 2393 02:23:15,300 --> 02:23:17,190 we'll take care of this China thing by getting the other 2394 02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:20,700 people to cooperate. We won't be doing things unilaterally now 2395 02:23:20,700 --> 02:23:25,530 there was do nothing. But, you know, at least he makes it right 2396 02:23:25,530 --> 02:23:26,040 points. 2397 02:23:26,130 --> 02:23:30,240 Adam Curry: So I believe now that after five clips of John 2398 02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:34,320 Kerry violating the no John Kerry clip rule, I think we 2399 02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:35,130 remember why 2400 02:23:38,370 --> 02:23:40,380 John C. Dvorak: not John Kerry is Mitt Romney. 2401 02:23:41,340 --> 02:23:45,360 Adam Curry: He sounds just like John Kerry was it wasn't a Mitt 2402 02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:46,620 Romney. Rule two. 2403 02:23:47,220 --> 02:23:49,170 John C. Dvorak: I think, well, we could make it a rule but it 2404 02:23:49,170 --> 02:23:54,000 wasn't a rule at the time of this show. To talk a little 2405 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:55,320 slower. Yeah, 2406 02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:58,860 Adam Curry: that'll that'll help. Well, he's He's not wrong, 2407 02:23:58,860 --> 02:24:04,800 of course. K ball cigar. This is my name for them now, crystal 2408 02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:10,110 ball and see, what's his name, Sammy, Sammy, Hagar cigar, just 2409 02:24:10,110 --> 02:24:15,870 say cigar. They had on the authors of hidden hands, 2410 02:24:15,900 --> 02:24:19,770 exposing how the Chinese Communist Party is reshaping the 2411 02:24:19,770 --> 02:24:24,150 world. And I have a quick three clips here from that interview. 2412 02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:28,050 I think it's enlightening. As we start off with the influence on 2413 02:24:28,050 --> 02:24:28,680 the bushes. 2414 02:24:28,710 --> 02:24:31,380 Unknown: One area in particular that I saw, which was cited in 2415 02:24:31,380 --> 02:24:34,410 Axios was about influence operations here in the United 2416 02:24:34,410 --> 02:24:39,090 States, namely former President George W. Bush, Bush's brother 2417 02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,420 Neil bush. Could you detail how exactly he's being influenced by 2418 02:24:42,420 --> 02:24:43,320 the Chinese regime? 2419 02:24:43,529 --> 02:24:47,039 Yes. Well, Neil Bush was targeted by an organization 2420 02:24:47,039 --> 02:24:51,659 known as the CPA FFC, the Chinese People's association for 2421 02:24:51,659 --> 02:24:54,209 friendship with foreign countries, which has been very 2422 02:24:54,209 --> 02:24:57,209 active in the United States mainly at the kind of sub 2423 02:24:57,209 --> 02:25:00,359 national level targeting state governors. Since To see the 2424 02:25:00,359 --> 02:25:03,899 relationships and that kind of thing, and Neil Bush seem to be 2425 02:25:03,929 --> 02:25:06,929 a prominent target. He has business connections in China 2426 02:25:06,929 --> 02:25:11,579 and Hong Kong. And he somehow seemed to take on CCP messaging. 2427 02:25:11,909 --> 02:25:16,979 And of course, the money started to flow into a think tank that 2428 02:25:17,159 --> 02:25:20,729 he was associated with. And the think tanks start to push out 2429 02:25:20,729 --> 02:25:24,899 pro Beijing messaging. And Neil Bush himself would go to China 2430 02:25:24,899 --> 02:25:30,449 or Hong Kong, for CCP sponsored conferences, and, and really 2431 02:25:30,779 --> 02:25:35,819 come mouthy talking points of the CCP as a kind of classic 2432 02:25:35,819 --> 02:25:37,379 story of a lead 2433 02:25:37,410 --> 02:25:38,130 capture. 2434 02:25:39,390 --> 02:25:43,140 Adam Curry: You know, this is going on everywhere. And here's 2435 02:25:43,140 --> 02:25:46,620 what bugs me how come we're not getting this treatment? How come 2436 02:25:46,620 --> 02:25:50,250 no one has approached us we'd be perfect, perfect to show for the 2437 02:25:50,250 --> 02:25:50,880 Chinese, 2438 02:25:50,910 --> 02:25:53,670 John C. Dvorak: we'd be everything but perfect. Here's K 2439 02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:55,290 Adam Curry: ball asking how it works? 2440 02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:58,320 Unknown: Could you give us kind of a bird's eye view of how that 2441 02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:01,320 influence works? How does it operate? And what is the 2442 02:26:01,320 --> 02:26:02,370 ultimate strategy? 2443 02:26:02,460 --> 02:26:06,570 Well, what the CCP does is it puts into place, say, a very 2444 02:26:06,570 --> 02:26:11,520 sophisticated and often very subtle process of psychological 2445 02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:15,300 manipulation. I mean, I think it's accurate to describe it as 2446 02:26:15,300 --> 02:26:18,780 grooming. And they they identify and target key members of 2447 02:26:18,780 --> 02:26:23,820 elites, political business, academic elites, as people who 2448 02:26:23,820 --> 02:26:29,190 might be induced one way or another to be drawn into the 2449 02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:33,180 circle of CCP influence. So they're very much focused on 2450 02:26:33,180 --> 02:26:37,680 individuals. It's a very clever and subtle process. And so we 2451 02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:41,040 track how this happens. Certainly individuals such as 2452 02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:45,810 very prominent academics like Jeffrey Sachs, like former 2453 02:26:45,810 --> 02:26:49,380 political leaders, like former Prime Minister Paul Keating, 2454 02:26:49,380 --> 02:26:53,760 here in Australia, who somehow get drawn into this CCP view of 2455 02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,450 the world and get rewarded for it through sinecures through 2456 02:26:57,810 --> 02:27:01,110 flattery through meetings with Xi Jinping, and so on. 2457 02:27:01,410 --> 02:27:04,440 Adam Curry: So I'm listening to this, I'm thinking, that's not a 2458 02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:08,460 big deal. We do that stuff. Everybody does that stuff. I 2459 02:27:08,460 --> 02:27:12,960 think that we just do it with hookers, which is probably old, 2460 02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:15,660 it's old. Now. You know, it's like, people want money, they 2461 02:27:15,660 --> 02:27:20,640 just want cash, they want trips, they want expensive dinners, 2462 02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:25,290 they want jets, and hookers just doesn't work anymore. As we wrap 2463 02:27:25,290 --> 02:27:28,740 it up with with exactly this question from cigar 2464 02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:31,200 Unknown: club, what would you say to people who say this is 2465 02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:34,320 relatively benign? You know, country's foreign countries do 2466 02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:36,840 this all the time? They try to influence political discussion 2467 02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:39,240 around the world. What's really the harm here? 2468 02:27:40,410 --> 02:27:42,990 Well, yes, of course, countries, particularly big countries do 2469 02:27:42,990 --> 02:27:46,710 try to have influence in in other nations. But there's a 2470 02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:50,190 difference between influence and interference. And there's a nice 2471 02:27:50,190 --> 02:27:52,500 definition of it here in Australia, which where we're 2472 02:27:52,530 --> 02:27:55,380 kind of three years down the track for most other countries 2473 02:27:55,380 --> 02:27:59,760 in understanding this. And we define even in our new law 2474 02:27:59,790 --> 02:28:02,430 against foreign interference, a foreign interference is 2475 02:28:02,430 --> 02:28:09,300 influenced that covert, coercive or corrupt. And so the thing 2476 02:28:09,300 --> 02:28:12,720 about CCPs influence, so we're not talking about China here, or 2477 02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:14,820 Chinese People's stress that we're talking about the Chinese 2478 02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:21,210 Communist Party. It's secretive, it's coercive. And it goes on 2479 02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:24,390 behind the scenes, so it's hidden the way it works. So this 2480 02:28:24,390 --> 02:28:28,740 is why when we Morocco, and I, for example, in our book, call 2481 02:28:28,740 --> 02:28:34,290 people out, they become very upset, because suddenly, the CCP 2482 02:28:34,290 --> 02:28:38,970 agents who had been operating undercover, as it were, that his 2483 02:28:38,970 --> 02:28:42,120 agents of influence have that had their cover blown and 2484 02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:45,450 certainly United Kingdom, for example, two of those people 2485 02:28:45,450 --> 02:28:48,720 have sent legally threatening letters claim that we've defamed 2486 02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:51,240 them, because, you know, we're telling lies, but in fact, what 2487 02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:54,450 we're doing is just lifting the cover off, shining light on the 2488 02:28:54,450 --> 02:28:58,200 CCPs activities. And the one thing that CCP loves to do that 2489 02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:02,010 is operate in the shadows, which is the wonder of a democracy 2490 02:29:02,010 --> 02:29:05,670 with a free press, that we can actually put the spotlight on 2491 02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:06,060 them. 2492 02:29:07,500 --> 02:29:11,130 Adam Curry: So Australia is all over that they are way ahead of 2493 02:29:11,130 --> 02:29:12,690 everybody else. Three years. He 2494 02:29:12,690 --> 02:29:14,280 John C. Dvorak: said they're like couple of years ahead. I 2495 02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:17,730 agree. Because I've been watching the ABC Australia's I'm 2496 02:29:17,730 --> 02:29:20,880 sorry. Maybe on ABC. I'm not sure what his name was 60 2497 02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:24,420 Minutes Australia, there's they're all on the YouTube and 2498 02:29:24,420 --> 02:29:27,300 they have a lot of China reports and they're all depressing. 2499 02:29:28,020 --> 02:29:30,330 China's taking over the entire South China Sea. They're 2500 02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:34,260 creating a blockade arena. Yeah. And it's like and then you I 2501 02:29:34,260 --> 02:29:37,350 mean, we get to know from from Katherine who says, you know, 2502 02:29:37,350 --> 02:29:40,680 I'm a big fan of China and you guys are dating on China. Don't 2503 02:29:40,680 --> 02:29:47,730 care. Don't care about China is boring. She says and boring. So 2504 02:29:47,730 --> 02:29:52,500 she said my take her serious. This is one of our, our long 2505 02:29:52,500 --> 02:29:55,530 term listeners. Well, I think it's like Dame Tanya. 2506 02:29:55,560 --> 02:29:57,390 Adam Curry: I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be very 2507 02:29:57,390 --> 02:29:59,730 interesting with that damn finally breaks I've been reading 2508 02:29:59,730 --> 02:30:01,680 about That for for two months. 2509 02:30:02,310 --> 02:30:05,340 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Breaking that damage break is gonna be a 2510 02:30:05,340 --> 02:30:06,150 huge problem. 2511 02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:08,250 Adam Curry: It's like everybody's waiting for the dam 2512 02:30:08,250 --> 02:30:09,330 to break is it Now is it 2513 02:30:09,630 --> 02:30:11,280 John C. Dvorak: possible that the dam break is like 2514 02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:16,560 Yellowstone going off? Yeah that's been hearing for 20 years 2515 02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:21,360 all Yellowstone a golf is going to exterminate all human beings. 2516 02:30:21,390 --> 02:30:23,730 Yeah, but you probably would if it went off 2517 02:30:23,939 --> 02:30:28,979 Adam Curry: the way this this damn story. It's the story about 2518 02:30:28,979 --> 02:30:34,259 the dam keeps coming back is odd Do you forget this feeling is 2519 02:30:34,259 --> 02:30:37,409 like it keeps it oh yeah, this is crazy is gonna happen like 2520 02:30:37,409 --> 02:30:40,289 no, I don't really see it I keep hearing everyone about it's 2521 02:30:40,289 --> 02:30:44,909 creaking. It's creaking now, no, I don't think so. 2522 02:30:45,930 --> 02:30:48,510 John C. Dvorak: Well, if it goes, it goes, it'll be it'll be 2523 02:30:48,510 --> 02:30:51,330 interesting. Yes. You know, Dell all of a sudden put China in a 2524 02:30:51,330 --> 02:30:55,590 bind for a while. But yeah, well, that's good that we're 2525 02:30:55,590 --> 02:30:57,780 following the China thing, whether anybody likes or not 2526 02:30:57,780 --> 02:31:01,260 nobody else is doing it. Or all good reports used to not us. 2527 02:31:01,260 --> 02:31:04,800 This is not our opinions. We're deconstructing what we do what 2528 02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:09,180 we can, and then we're adding insight where we can. And we're 2529 02:31:09,180 --> 02:31:12,540 playing clips of people that are telling us stuff like what 2530 02:31:12,540 --> 02:31:16,350 Pompeo did, what Pompeo talked about is non trivial. He is the 2531 02:31:16,350 --> 02:31:21,150 Secretary of State. He's an ex CIA guy. He's when he talks to 2532 02:31:21,150 --> 02:31:24,150 you should at least listen, he's not a flibbertigibbet. DigiPen 2533 02:31:25,440 --> 02:31:27,960 not a flake like they were trying to make him out to be 2534 02:31:28,380 --> 02:31:29,370 Adam Curry: flibbertigibbet. 2535 02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:32,820 Unknown: I'm going to show my mood by donating to no agenda. 2536 02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:35,130 John C. Dvorak: Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh 2537 02:31:35,130 --> 02:31:36,000 yeah, that'd be fun. 2538 02:31:43,980 --> 02:31:47,460 And luckily, we do have a few people to thank for show 1263 2539 02:31:47,610 --> 02:31:52,080 Yes, we do. A run through them. I do have a couple of notes I 2540 02:31:52,080 --> 02:31:57,270 want to read during the process that came in hand written an 2541 02:31:57,270 --> 02:32:00,870 interesting Laura Wilson's at the top of the list from 2542 02:32:01,710 --> 02:32:04,710 Seattle, Washington. Up to see at our meetup one of these day 2543 02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:08,550 Jordi Seaton that she came up with 150 Geordie seat and came 2544 02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:12,960 up with 100 from Thornhill Ontario. Got a birthday call out 2545 02:32:13,950 --> 02:32:17,760 and that's all this is ready to go. Eduardo Calderon and Plano, 2546 02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:24,630 Texas 100. The Duke of Luton? His grace Kevin McLaughlin. Yes, 2547 02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:29,790 we're looking at North Carolina. 808 he says yeah, I love America 2548 02:32:29,790 --> 02:32:30,570 and boobs. 2549 02:32:31,710 --> 02:32:34,740 Adam Curry: Me too. Both. Were on the same page. 2550 02:32:35,039 --> 02:32:39,449 John C. Dvorak: Not a stretch. No. Might be a stretch. But not 2551 02:32:39,449 --> 02:32:45,479 the American part. Paul Wagner in Middleton, Ohio. 808. Moves, 2552 02:32:45,749 --> 02:32:49,619 Marty. This one is letter came in and I don't know what you 2553 02:32:49,619 --> 02:32:51,899 take a shout at Red, pronouncing that last name. 2554 02:32:52,080 --> 02:32:56,580 Adam Curry: I would say a greenhouse. Marty's Marty said 2555 02:32:56,580 --> 02:32:59,280 greenhouse. That's gotta be pretty. 2556 02:33:01,170 --> 02:33:03,960 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Starts with the T so it makes it tough. 2557 02:33:04,680 --> 02:33:13,230 All right, Marty. sent in a word I was Marty. I clicked on this 2558 02:33:13,230 --> 02:33:18,120 list sending a note on from Las Vegas report. So I have to read 2559 02:33:18,120 --> 02:33:25,800 it. Okay. I have for all that. Oh, thanks for all you do. I am 2560 02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:30,450 Jr. II. listener. And then I'm glad I decided to see what Adam 2561 02:33:30,450 --> 02:33:36,300 has been up to post MTV. Welcome, you guys. This is 2562 02:33:36,300 --> 02:33:46,650 funny. Yeah. You have sorry. You have nice working. How nuts you 2563 02:33:46,650 --> 02:33:53,760 have challenged me. Me to Tea Party. My own Trump hate to know 2564 02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:58,140 don't look past. I'm sorry, I can't read today. Now I have 2565 02:33:58,140 --> 02:34:06,060 that ever. broken clock is right twice a day. Have you for now 2566 02:34:06,060 --> 02:34:07,950 this is not the Las Vegas Strip anyway. 2567 02:34:08,730 --> 02:34:15,150 Adam Curry: And we'll hold on at least we take the Rogen donation 2568 02:34:15,150 --> 02:34:18,030 credit we'll take that no matter what that was. 2569 02:34:18,090 --> 02:34:20,790 John C. Dvorak: Okay, let's go that was 7777 Coincidentally, 2570 02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:23,790 the next letter that came in was is a Miami report, not a Las 2571 02:34:23,790 --> 02:34:27,570 Vegas report. And this came in from Joe Weiss, one of our 2572 02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:31,860 longtime listeners, longtime supporters. first time donors 2573 02:34:31,860 --> 02:34:35,250 now he's donated before quick message from Miami. The surge 2574 02:34:35,250 --> 02:34:38,010 apparently has arrived in South Florida and Miami or little 2575 02:34:38,010 --> 02:34:38,880 Wuhan. 2576 02:34:40,770 --> 02:34:42,660 Adam Curry: And like that little Wuhan, 2577 02:34:43,620 --> 02:34:45,810 John C. Dvorak: Wuhan about a week ago, an infectious disease 2578 02:34:45,810 --> 02:34:48,330 doctor at the University of Miami compared the situation in 2579 02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:52,410 Miami to that of Wuhan earlier in the pandemic. Miami is now 2580 02:34:52,410 --> 02:34:55,560 the epicenter of the pandemic quote unquote. We are seeing 2581 02:34:55,560 --> 02:34:59,970 what Wuhan was five to six months ago. I guess the good 2582 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,480 News as we don't have a large infectious viral laboratory in 2583 02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:08,670 Miami, nor do we have any wet market selling dog or snake, or 2584 02:35:08,670 --> 02:35:13,710 tender bat wings. Yummy, yummy. City of Miami Beach just slept 2585 02:35:13,710 --> 02:35:17,040 an 8pm curfew on South Beach and is and the entertainment 2586 02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:21,450 district the county curfew is now from 10pm to 6am. Other than 2587 02:35:21,450 --> 02:35:26,580 that things are great here in Little Wuhan. All right, each on 2588 02:35:26,580 --> 02:35:31,650 the ground. Onward with Sir McQueen, right blight town and 2589 02:35:31,650 --> 02:35:34,020 Wayne Pennsylvania he's got a birthday coming up before 2590 02:35:34,020 --> 02:35:39,180 himself Jason Perry also a birthday 6969 Sir queen, sir 2591 02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:42,360 McQueen was 70 to 80. Sure, Gary Blatt. 2592 02:35:42,390 --> 02:35:46,740 Adam Curry: Hold on. Jason Perry has a second donation. He has a 2593 02:35:46,770 --> 02:35:49,950 another douchebag call out for Bob Raymond 2594 02:35:51,810 --> 02:35:53,610 John C. Dvorak: and Raymond Lou Raymond Lou. 2595 02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:58,680 Adam Curry: Bob Raymond Lou. Yes. And he's also the Jason is 2596 02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:00,990 on the birthday list. He'll be turning 44 Thank you. 2597 02:36:02,850 --> 02:36:05,850 John C. Dvorak: Sir Gary Blatt and Wayne Pennsylvania 6660. 2598 02:36:05,850 --> 02:36:13,050 Simon Smith in a Heber City, Utah 6333. David Forbes six 6006 2599 02:36:13,050 --> 02:36:19,320 is bulky. Spoken us shepaug. Heath ship pokey shopper key. 2600 02:36:19,350 --> 02:36:20,400 Adam Curry: How about shopper key 2601 02:36:20,460 --> 02:36:22,110 John C. Dvorak: at probably a shepherd key shopping in 2602 02:36:22,110 --> 02:36:26,640 Minnesota nuts. Sir Christopher Kessler in Marshfield, Wisconsin 2603 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:33,030 5510. Sir Lee MoPhO it also 5510 in Tucson Arizona. profound 2604 02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:37,680 thanks. He says Charles Thompson 5510 In Upton Cafe dead all of a 2605 02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:39,600 sudden the 5510 has returned. 2606 02:36:40,350 --> 02:36:43,350 Adam Curry: Time is rockin I know it says people like it. 2607 02:36:44,250 --> 02:36:48,930 John C. Dvorak: Matthew Yoders from Albany Oregon 5510 Joseph 2608 02:36:48,930 --> 02:36:50,490 Monaco to defy. 2609 02:36:51,570 --> 02:36:54,930 Adam Curry: Also, by the way a donation for your be safe go f 2610 02:36:54,930 --> 02:36:57,210 yourself. People you should do that more often. 2611 02:36:59,850 --> 02:37:01,920 John C. Dvorak: Seems to cuss right. 2612 02:37:02,010 --> 02:37:04,800 Adam Curry: I think it's worth more than than double nickels on 2613 02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:06,990 the dime though. I mean, I think a good afternoon how 2614 02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:11,970 John C. Dvorak: to get more we don't know that sir phenom of 2615 02:37:11,970 --> 02:37:17,910 the Patriots nation in Appleton Wisconsin. 5353. And he's got a 2616 02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:26,040 birthday, sir J boy in all the Virginia 52 at Jonathan Evans in 2617 02:37:26,040 --> 02:37:32,850 law 5150 from New Orleans. De money Penny 5150. I haven't 2618 02:37:32,850 --> 02:37:33,630 heard from her for a while 2619 02:37:33,630 --> 02:37:35,910 Adam Curry: she's in Davis. Oh, that has been quite a while how 2620 02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:36,630 you doing? Dave? We 2621 02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:39,120 John C. Dvorak: got some large note from someone. Well, that's 2622 02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:39,870 Dame Tanya. 2623 02:37:39,870 --> 02:37:42,510 Adam Curry: We read that one earlier. She also donated with 2624 02:37:42,510 --> 02:37:45,720 her note, which is what's so sweet about her. Yeah, yours. 2625 02:37:46,020 --> 02:37:48,150 John C. Dvorak: How much was it? 5142 2626 02:37:48,900 --> 02:37:50,610 Adam Curry: The answer all the questions in the universe. 2627 02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:53,910 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, okay. Can you read the next one as they 2628 02:37:53,910 --> 02:38:00,060 get this shirt? Garrison Lewis Garrison Lewis $50. Oh, I was 2629 02:38:00,060 --> 02:38:07,110 having lunch with the surgeon at a place on East East Oltorf in 2630 02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:10,860 Austin. And we're sitting there and Jean is going on. I mean, I 2631 02:38:10,860 --> 02:38:16,710 love Jean man, who is the Duke of Texas. And he's talking about 2632 02:38:17,490 --> 02:38:22,110 Brett and Eric Weinstein and the 14 dimensions of the Universe 2633 02:38:22,110 --> 02:38:26,100 and so my Oh wow. I had had just soaking it all up. And then this 2634 02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:30,510 guy comes over to say you Adam curry. And I say yeah, it says 2635 02:38:30,540 --> 02:38:34,980 in the morning. He said look at my my amygdala it's completely 2636 02:38:34,980 --> 02:38:38,220 shrunken. So here's there's no need donated. It was a pleasure 2637 02:38:38,220 --> 02:38:40,470 meeting you at the CAFE the other day. Thanks to the both of 2638 02:38:40,470 --> 02:38:42,810 you for keeping my amygdala small keeping it real. I would 2639 02:38:42,810 --> 02:38:45,690 like to deducing for my lack of donation history. God bless you 2640 02:38:45,690 --> 02:38:50,910 all. You spend deed deuced Alright, man, thank you. It was 2641 02:38:50,910 --> 02:38:54,870 nice curiously. Hey Soos Allen coughs up $50 from Austin, 2642 02:38:54,870 --> 02:38:57,690 Texas. These are $50 donors. I just named them and the 2643 02:38:57,690 --> 02:39:01,920 location. Amanda straws her birthday girl in Rochester, New 2644 02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:08,610 York. On behalf of her husband, Chris Chris Grimmauld grumble 2645 02:39:08,610 --> 02:39:14,340 grumble, grumble in Kingston, New York. Tristan Martin's in 2646 02:39:14,340 --> 02:39:19,710 Milwaukee. Mitchell Kaufman in Hillsboro, Oregon, Todd Grubb in 2647 02:39:19,710 --> 02:39:24,120 Capek, Michigan, Julian Robinson Aptos, California and last but 2648 02:39:24,120 --> 02:39:29,340 not least Rosalie Hall in Hillsboro, North Carolina. Want 2649 02:39:29,340 --> 02:39:31,620 to thank these folks who are contributing to show and 2650 02:39:31,620 --> 02:39:35,190 producing show 1263 We got another show coming up on 2651 02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:37,980 Thursday hope we can get pick it up a little bit. It would be 2652 02:39:37,980 --> 02:39:38,460 nice. 2653 02:39:38,520 --> 02:39:41,670 Adam Curry: And also thanks everyone who came in under $50 2654 02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:45,840 which is the cut off for anonymity but also just because 2655 02:39:45,840 --> 02:39:48,570 it's a cut off people who aren't subscriptions I'd like you to 2656 02:39:48,570 --> 02:39:52,410 consider that as well. If you look at divorce.org/and A, you 2657 02:39:52,410 --> 02:39:56,820 can see a 33 is 11 elevens, $5, all kinds of different things. 2658 02:39:56,820 --> 02:39:59,970 You can just keep that going even if you want to support it. 2659 02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,030 at a different level on an individual show, we thank all of 2660 02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:05,760 those people and our Executive Associate Executive producers 2661 02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:08,760 because it is you and without you we would not be able to 2662 02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:10,920 produce the best podcast in the universe. That's why it's the 2663 02:40:10,920 --> 02:40:16,710 best. According to the Moller report vohra.org/and A give 2664 02:40:16,710 --> 02:40:18,630 everybody a jobs calm jobs, 2665 02:40:18,780 --> 02:40:23,040 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2666 02:40:38,220 --> 02:40:42,150 Adam Curry: Our list for the 26th of July 2020 Jordi Seaton 2667 02:40:42,150 --> 02:40:44,700 says Happy Birthday to her husband Aaron Seaton who turns 2668 02:40:44,700 --> 02:40:47,940 46 today Happy belated birthday to Philip Johnson. He was 2669 02:40:47,970 --> 02:40:51,480 celebrated on the 23rd of July sir hoop and soccer just happy 2670 02:40:51,480 --> 02:40:56,370 birthday to miss Audrey hartert hoop and soccer who turned 11 on 2671 02:40:56,370 --> 02:41:00,600 the turns 11 Tomorrow March the 27th Sir mokwena blight Tao will 2672 02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:05,190 be celebrating on the 28th as well Jason Perry he turns 44 and 2673 02:41:05,190 --> 02:41:09,030 Sir phenom also celebrating on July 28. Happy birthday for 2674 02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:13,560 everybody here at the best podcast in the universe. Let me 2675 02:41:13,560 --> 02:41:23,880 see what we have here. Oh, yes. Change I don't want to do it's a 2676 02:41:23,880 --> 02:41:27,000 small change but we do want to make note of it for economic 2677 02:41:27,000 --> 02:41:32,070 hitman has now become the Baron and he has claimed his barony 2678 02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:36,120 sir, economic hitman Baron of congressional dish. And we thank 2679 02:41:36,120 --> 02:41:40,380 you sir, for supporting the no agenda show. And I have a 2680 02:41:40,380 --> 02:41:44,100 special knighting which I'd like to read the note for this is 2681 02:41:44,100 --> 02:41:48,330 from Tim how Adriaan who is being bestowed with a knighthood 2682 02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:52,140 for his outstanding work on the new no agenda show.com and 2683 02:41:52,140 --> 02:41:59,190 dotnet website. He put a lot of work into it. He's made the code 2684 02:41:59,190 --> 02:42:03,990 available on GitLab or GitHub or wherever it is. It's all on the 2685 02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:08,850 website. It incorporates so much it was so appreciative that like 2686 02:42:08,850 --> 02:42:14,760 many of our of our huge website producers, they become knights 2687 02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:18,900 and I shall read his note here as we requested that he choose a 2688 02:42:18,900 --> 02:42:22,830 title etc. And he says he wants a big shout out to Leo Laporte 2689 02:42:22,830 --> 02:42:26,970 for introducing him to the spot on tech reporter Jhansi Dvorak 2690 02:42:27,390 --> 02:42:30,570 as a humble produced humble producer of our little tribe. 2691 02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:33,840 Tim says I gladly accept this knighting and would hereby like 2692 02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:37,320 to be known as Sir Tim Hadrian Knight of the JIT since 2693 02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:41,400 shenanigans JT as to always remember the tragedy that 2694 02:42:41,400 --> 02:42:44,280 happened to the passengers of MH 17. That's the joint 2695 02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:49,080 investigation team that seems to be lying for years about what 2696 02:42:49,080 --> 02:42:51,990 really happened. And as he says the fake international political 2697 02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:54,870 chess game that followed it, which is brought me here today. 2698 02:42:55,260 --> 02:42:58,680 Please make sure there are rare catches and bitterballen at the 2699 02:42:58,680 --> 02:43:01,740 round table with lots of bong hits. Thank you for your 2700 02:43:01,740 --> 02:43:04,230 courage. Are you familiar with the bitter Bala? 2701 02:43:05,820 --> 02:43:06,840 John C. Dvorak: No, I'm not. 2702 02:43:06,900 --> 02:43:09,870 Adam Curry: That's the little, like croquettes only their 2703 02:43:09,870 --> 02:43:13,770 balls. And there's Ragu in there and you must have had them when 2704 02:43:13,770 --> 02:43:16,470 you were in Holland you dip them in a little bit of mustard. They 2705 02:43:16,470 --> 02:43:20,580 usually so hot they burned the roof of your mouth now maybe 2706 02:43:23,310 --> 02:43:26,700 anyway, let's bring out the swords for this fine gentleman. 2707 02:43:26,700 --> 02:43:33,480 I've got my okay, this is the special Well, you gotta get up 2708 02:43:33,480 --> 02:43:36,510 here now Tim, come on. And I've got your roundtable requests 2709 02:43:36,510 --> 02:43:40,140 ready for you Thank you very much for really supporting the 2710 02:43:40,140 --> 02:43:43,260 no agenda show and in an outstanding manner with the 2711 02:43:43,290 --> 02:43:46,260 unbelievable value of that beautiful website and I'm very 2712 02:43:46,260 --> 02:43:49,980 proud to pronounce the cake you Sir Tim, how three are light of 2713 02:43:49,980 --> 02:43:53,130 the JIT shenanigans for you. Of course we've got hookers and 2714 02:43:53,130 --> 02:43:56,370 blow we've got rent boys in sharp neighbor by request. Don't 2715 02:43:56,370 --> 02:43:59,190 get jealous and bitter Bella with lots of bong hits. We've 2716 02:43:59,190 --> 02:44:01,980 got zucchini and meatloaf pug and boy English muffins and 2717 02:44:01,980 --> 02:44:05,700 butter and honey, fish pie and fellatio. We've got red Hi 2718 02:44:05,730 --> 02:44:09,540 redheads and rye bong hits and bourbon vodka, lemon allegations 2719 02:44:09,540 --> 02:44:13,680 and Sockeye ginger ale and dribbles. And if you want some 2720 02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:17,400 we always have mutton in meat and that Sir Tim go over to no 2721 02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:21,930 agenda nation.com/rings and the show will gladly take care of 2722 02:44:21,930 --> 02:44:23,640 you. We'll get that out to the Netherlands and thank 2723 02:44:23,640 --> 02:44:25,770 John C. Dvorak: you very much for supporting the best podcast 2724 02:44:25,770 --> 02:44:25,890 in 2725 02:44:25,890 --> 02:44:27,060 Adam Curry: the universe. 2726 02:44:34,020 --> 02:44:38,220 Lots of meetups happening. Lots of stuff going on. I have a 2727 02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:41,970 quick rundown. So actually we have a couple of reports. We saw 2728 02:44:41,970 --> 02:44:44,850 some donations come in earlier. We have report from the 2729 02:44:44,850 --> 02:44:48,780 doubleheader meetup that was the Road America double header meet 2730 02:44:48,780 --> 02:44:53,490 up it was a big success, says Todd squeed Buzz who organize it 2731 02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:57,090 in attendance were at least from Detroit, Rio for Madison, aka 2732 02:44:57,090 --> 02:45:00,330 little Moscow, Sherry and Eric from Chicago. Not a big but a 2733 02:45:00,330 --> 02:45:03,300 fun group. Lisa travelled the farmers by car because she 2734 02:45:03,300 --> 02:45:05,970 wanted to see the race track again after being there many 2735 02:45:05,970 --> 02:45:09,870 years ago, Rio was there were some friends that even after 2736 02:45:09,870 --> 02:45:11,910 getting hit in the mouth were not convinced about no agenda 2737 02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:16,080 sharing Eric drove up to enjoy Wisconsin freedom sharing the 2738 02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:20,550 group are calling Eric out as a douchebag. me while I flew in 2739 02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:24,000 from Portland and represented local 33 to get away from less 2740 02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:26,490 Coast stuff. I did attempt to hit my brother in the mouth 2741 02:45:26,520 --> 02:45:29,190 earlier over the weekend, but I don't think it's stuck. Thanks 2742 02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:31,440 to all for attending. Thanks again. Adam and John for the 2743 02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:34,860 best podcast and universe Todd squeak buzz Strobel, from 2744 02:45:34,860 --> 02:45:39,150 Vancouver, Washington. Here is an audio meetup report from the 2745 02:45:39,150 --> 02:45:42,750 flight of the no agenda W five meetup. Hey everybody, we're 2746 02:45:42,750 --> 02:45:46,020 here. Oh, by the way, apparently, either someone was 2747 02:45:46,020 --> 02:45:48,690 speaking out of their butt or they recorded this on the phone. 2748 02:45:48,750 --> 02:45:51,120 I don't know it has a very unique sound to it. 2749 02:45:51,660 --> 02:45:54,360 Unknown: Hey, everybody, we're here at the agenda meetup that's 2750 02:45:54,360 --> 02:45:58,110 still practicing. Here's our guest with some words to say. 2751 02:45:58,890 --> 02:46:01,920 Hey guys, I'm a douchebag my brother hit me in the mouth and 2752 02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:06,120 in the morning to you. Slick Rick. It isn't the Millers here 2753 02:46:06,120 --> 02:46:09,930 we're we're the parents of the plague mask girl crazy family. 2754 02:46:11,700 --> 02:46:14,970 And we're just having a good time with great people in the 2755 02:46:14,970 --> 02:46:20,100 morning. For Annika we are here. We've got slapped in the mouth 2756 02:46:20,100 --> 02:46:23,370 by my brother Leo who is hosting this event and in the morning. 2757 02:46:25,320 --> 02:46:28,860 My first meeting ever and it gave me a whole load 2758 02:46:38,730 --> 02:46:44,160 Adam Curry: a computer the whole load.com Yeah. Okay. 2759 02:46:45,210 --> 02:46:47,280 John C. Dvorak: All it was all it was missing from that report 2760 02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:52,170 was over. Let me know what over 2761 02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:56,220 Adam Curry: a greater seattle post Rhona vitamin D hike meetup 2762 02:46:56,220 --> 02:46:59,940 report. We had a number of producers go on a hike. In the 2763 02:46:59,940 --> 02:47:02,610 morning Adam and Jonathan meet it was a success. 13 members of 2764 02:47:02,610 --> 02:47:09,150 the nogen family hiked Tiger mountain trails in its ACWA on a 2765 02:47:09,150 --> 02:47:11,700 beautiful sunny is it triggered no Tiger Tiger Mountain on a 2766 02:47:11,700 --> 02:47:14,850 beautiful Issaquah. And in Issaquah on a beautiful sunny 2767 02:47:14,850 --> 02:47:18,240 day I got to meet one of them had a great time. My primary 2768 02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:21,480 trail choice was still closed due to COVID 19. In hindsight, 2769 02:47:21,690 --> 02:47:24,600 picking a trail system with multiple access points was a bad 2770 02:47:24,600 --> 02:47:27,690 backup choice. I hope to meet more of the family please don't 2771 02:47:27,690 --> 02:47:31,140 disown me on a future hike meet up you got it. Here's a fine 2772 02:47:31,140 --> 02:47:34,740 what is this one? This is another report. Audio report. 2773 02:47:35,280 --> 02:47:41,910 Everybody. We already had that one. Maybe this was the report 2774 02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:42,060 from 2775 02:47:42,060 --> 02:47:47,910 Unknown: them. Morning John and Adam. This is the other half of 2776 02:47:47,910 --> 02:47:52,590 the post drone a vitamin D meet up in Seattle, Washington. I am 2777 02:47:52,590 --> 02:47:55,620 Kelheim still a colossal douchebag and with me is 2778 02:47:55,890 --> 02:47:59,310 that this is Bryce and I am shocked at how many people I 2779 02:47:59,310 --> 02:48:02,640 just saw on a trail with masks on Hey, 2780 02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:04,110 this is Thomas ITM. 2781 02:48:04,439 --> 02:48:05,759 I don't listen to the podcast. 2782 02:48:05,820 --> 02:48:07,200 Thank you for your courage 2783 02:48:09,060 --> 02:48:13,860 Adam Curry: is what's coming up at meetup wise on Wednesday the 2784 02:48:13,860 --> 02:48:16,650 city park Denver Museum of Nature and Science John and 2785 02:48:16,650 --> 02:48:19,800 Taylor organizing the Denver City Parks sit in at six 2786 02:48:19,800 --> 02:48:24,270 o'clock. Friday the Northeast can't southeast London British 2787 02:48:24,270 --> 02:48:28,230 summertime meet up that'll be at 330 be registered time 2788 02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:33,660 obviously. Bring a cat meme to the real ale way. GW IFF is 2789 02:48:33,660 --> 02:48:37,500 organizing and Friday what's cooking Oregon local 33 Six 2790 02:48:37,500 --> 02:48:41,250 o'clock. That'll be cooked Park in Tigger details that no agenda 2791 02:48:41,250 --> 02:48:44,880 meetup.com Tim is organizing, organizing. And that is exactly 2792 02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:47,670 what you want to do. Go to no agenda meetups.com Find a meet 2793 02:48:47,670 --> 02:48:51,090 up near you. Go hang out with people who will not condemn you 2794 02:48:51,090 --> 02:48:55,020 for anything above all just go hang out, be yourself be clumsy. 2795 02:48:55,050 --> 02:48:58,800 No one will care. You'll have a good time we guarantee it no 2796 02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:00,960 agenda meetups.com It's kind of 2797 02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:15,060 like a party. Sometimes you want to go hang out with me you want 2798 02:49:15,060 --> 02:49:15,390 to be 2799 02:49:20,580 --> 02:49:25,950 like I just got a couple of clips I'd like to share with 2800 02:49:25,950 --> 02:49:30,180 some news that I feel was not really broadcast very far and 2801 02:49:30,180 --> 02:49:34,230 wide and the first one is about air safety. FAA 2802 02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:37,560 Unknown: issued this emergency inspection order to all airlines 2803 02:49:37,560 --> 02:49:41,280 and operators with 730 sevens and it all has to do with an 2804 02:49:41,280 --> 02:49:45,240 engine shutdown issue. Now the FAA says the problem is so 2805 02:49:45,240 --> 02:49:49,110 severe that it could result in what they call a forced off 2806 02:49:49,110 --> 02:49:52,350 airport landing and that there have been at least four recent 2807 02:49:52,350 --> 02:49:55,470 incidents with these critical engine valves. The issue 2808 02:49:55,470 --> 02:49:59,190 happening in part because so many planes have been parked and 2809 02:49:59,190 --> 02:50:02,550 not used. During this pandemic, now, here's what the FAA is 2810 02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:05,940 saying, quote, corrosion of these valves on both engines 2811 02:50:06,060 --> 02:50:10,140 could result in a dual engine power loss without the ability 2812 02:50:10,140 --> 02:50:13,800 to restart. This condition, if not addressed could result in 2813 02:50:13,800 --> 02:50:17,550 compressor stalls. And that dual engine power loss without the 2814 02:50:17,550 --> 02:50:22,110 ability to restart, which could result in a force off airport 2815 02:50:22,110 --> 02:50:26,430 landing. And don't forget the 737 right now is one of the most 2816 02:50:26,430 --> 02:50:29,730 popular airplanes in service around the world. 2817 02:50:30,360 --> 02:50:32,610 Adam Curry: This is why you don't want your airplane sitting 2818 02:50:32,610 --> 02:50:36,480 still not doing anything. They really don't get better over 2819 02:50:36,480 --> 02:50:39,540 time. This is this is a serious problem. 2820 02:50:42,750 --> 02:50:45,450 Unknown: I'd say. Yeah, 2821 02:50:46,200 --> 02:50:48,870 Adam Curry: it's and it's really just because it's been sitting 2822 02:50:48,870 --> 02:50:51,150 out there in the desert or wherever they've been storing 2823 02:50:51,150 --> 02:50:55,020 them. That's the problem. So now they have to I mean, it if it 2824 02:50:55,020 --> 02:50:57,900 really if the if you have a quit I mean this engine out it's like 2825 02:50:57,900 --> 02:51:01,860 a flame out. It's you know, it's completely there's pilots are 2826 02:51:01,860 --> 02:51:05,550 trained for this, but it really shouldn't be happening. It 2827 02:51:05,550 --> 02:51:08,730 should be should be attended to, I would say, or is this just 2828 02:51:08,730 --> 02:51:13,200 another brick in the wall of the Airbus Boeing fight? Who knows? 2829 02:51:13,980 --> 02:51:16,770 John C. Dvorak: Well, the desert, all I know is you can go 2830 02:51:16,770 --> 02:51:19,020 out to the desert and see where these planes are. And I think 2831 02:51:19,020 --> 02:51:22,470 you can just go out there and screw with all the camping. 2832 02:51:23,970 --> 02:51:26,040 Adam Curry: People not screw with any guards around 2833 02:51:26,040 --> 02:51:27,840 John C. Dvorak: there. I've flown over these areas, and 2834 02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:29,640 Adam Curry: they're not screwing with them. You're not You're a 2835 02:51:29,640 --> 02:51:34,110 real conspiracy theorist now did it's dust and sand and shit that 2836 02:51:34,110 --> 02:51:39,930 gets in the engines. Yeah. Don't trust the pilot, whatever you 2837 02:51:39,930 --> 02:51:40,140 do. 2838 02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:43,890 John C. Dvorak: I trust the pilot. That's the pilot 2839 02:51:44,130 --> 02:51:51,390 manufacturers. Okay. I got one class clip. Okay. Since you 2840 02:51:51,390 --> 02:51:54,480 brought them up, you brought up K ball and say guard, I didn't 2841 02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:59,400 like K ball, by the way. So they're doing a little report on 2842 02:51:59,400 --> 02:52:03,390 the jobless claims, not want to preface it with my kind of take 2843 02:52:03,390 --> 02:52:07,140 on this. So the two of them. And I've seen this with other 2844 02:52:07,140 --> 02:52:09,630 reporters too, especially Democracy Now. They're all upset 2845 02:52:09,630 --> 02:52:13,320 because the jobless numbers have gone up. Because they've been 2846 02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:15,450 going down. I mean, going down. They've been going down. They 2847 02:52:15,450 --> 02:52:19,380 went up. Right. And of course, this there was a shutdown. And 2848 02:52:19,380 --> 02:52:21,960 then we get away from the shutdown. We start reopening 2849 02:52:21,960 --> 02:52:24,870 reopening reopening that numbers go better get better and better 2850 02:52:24,870 --> 02:52:29,520 and better. And then everybody really shuts down. Yeah. So 2851 02:52:29,520 --> 02:52:33,660 consequently, I think the logic would be, yeah, the unemployment 2852 02:52:33,660 --> 02:52:36,870 numbers would change for the worse, because now we've gone 2853 02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:37,980 back we've retroed on. 2854 02:52:38,820 --> 02:52:42,180 Adam Curry: And how about how about California with its 40 2855 02:52:42,180 --> 02:52:45,780 million inhabitants who closed all bars and restaurants again, 2856 02:52:45,780 --> 02:52:47,850 of course, of course, people want to work now. 2857 02:52:47,880 --> 02:52:51,150 John C. Dvorak: So that single go up again. But no, this is a 2858 02:52:51,150 --> 02:52:54,990 stunner. Apparently, if you listen to these two, 2859 02:52:55,020 --> 02:52:58,740 Unknown: that's I'm breaking news this morning. New jobless 2860 02:52:58,740 --> 02:53:02,730 claims rose, for the first time that we've seen during the 2861 02:53:02,730 --> 02:53:07,710 pandemic 1.4 million Americans over the past week filed for 2862 02:53:07,710 --> 02:53:10,950 unemployment. That's in contrast to 1.3 million last week, which 2863 02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:14,340 is where we've been for a few weeks, and this is the eighth 2864 02:53:14,370 --> 02:53:18,330 teach straight week in which more than a million Americans 2865 02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:19,560 are filing for unemployment. 2866 02:53:19,590 --> 02:53:22,530 Yes, but and especially what's concerning about this. This is 2867 02:53:22,530 --> 02:53:25,230 from the Washington Post, Heather long, who's an economics 2868 02:53:25,230 --> 02:53:30,030 reporter there is that this is actually for the first time and 2869 02:53:30,060 --> 02:53:33,780 for the first time that it has risen after 15 straight weeks of 2870 02:53:33,780 --> 02:53:37,020 decline. So remember that we had that initial spike and then 2871 02:53:37,020 --> 02:53:41,160 things began to trend down we were sitting around 1.3 million 2872 02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:45,780 jobless claims filed per week, week, week over week for pretty 2873 02:53:45,780 --> 02:53:48,630 much three or four weeks right now. Right? This has the first 2874 02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:50,910 time that we've seen the increase 2875 02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:55,650 Adam Curry: you know, now that I consider it we've been very 2876 02:53:55,650 --> 02:54:01,560 gracious with K ball and se gar we've played a lot of clips. 2877 02:54:01,890 --> 02:54:05,580 I've been interested in their reporting a lot of people like 2878 02:54:05,580 --> 02:54:11,910 them but so far I've got they've jacked me up over unsealed 2879 02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:15,090 documents which are which they haven't reported correctly 2880 02:54:15,090 --> 02:54:19,320 really to oh my god about something coming out in a week 2881 02:54:19,320 --> 02:54:23,610 and that's not going to happen and and now they're they're just 2882 02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:26,010 failed to understand some basics. I think we're I think 2883 02:54:26,010 --> 02:54:29,040 we're moving towards a cable and saying our ban on the show. 2884 02:54:30,930 --> 02:54:33,030 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's hard to get a ban on them because 2885 02:54:33,030 --> 02:54:36,810 they do have some funny material. And it's not like it's 2886 02:54:36,810 --> 02:54:40,800 boring, but I think taking them seriously should be banned. 2887 02:54:42,690 --> 02:54:45,810 Adam Curry: Let's start there. I'll I'll begin. 2888 02:54:47,970 --> 02:54:48,690 John C. Dvorak: And 2889 02:54:50,280 --> 02:54:53,160 Adam Curry: we're going to call it a day. For those of you 2890 02:54:53,160 --> 02:54:56,610 listening live. Thank you for sticking with it. We had a 2891 02:54:56,610 --> 02:55:02,580 number of technical issues with See, we lost a couple 100 people 2892 02:55:02,670 --> 02:55:05,640 between the beginning and the end, but still well over 2893 02:55:05,640 --> 02:55:11,100 12 1100. And we would like to thank all of you who supported 2894 02:55:11,100 --> 02:55:13,500 the show our execs, our Associate Executive producers, 2895 02:55:13,500 --> 02:55:18,510 all producers, and remind you to help us out again by going to 2896 02:55:18,810 --> 02:55:22,650 devora.org/na Help us out for the for the Sunday show. We're 2897 02:55:22,650 --> 02:55:25,620 looking forward to doing it for you. There will be tons of stuff 2898 02:55:25,620 --> 02:55:31,260 to deconstruct. After end of show mixes, we've got Fletcher 2899 02:55:31,260 --> 02:55:36,780 Tom Starkweather we've got Jesse Coyne, Nelson, and Moe facts 2900 02:55:36,780 --> 02:55:39,780 with Adam curry coming up next on no agenda stream.com coming 2901 02:55:39,780 --> 02:55:45,060 to you from opportunity zone 33 Here in the frontier of Austin, 2902 02:55:45,060 --> 02:55:47,910 Texas FEMA Region number six in the governmental maps in the 2903 02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:50,130 morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 2904 02:55:50,490 --> 02:55:53,130 John C. Dvorak: is from Northern Silicon Valley where things just 2905 02:55:53,130 --> 02:55:55,230 drag along I'm John Cena vara we return 2906 02:55:55,230 --> 02:55:57,390 Adam Curry: on Thursday right here, we'll see you here to 2907 02:55:57,390 --> 02:56:02,490 produce another episode of no agenda. Until then. Adios mofos 2908 02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:03,990 and such 2909 02:56:05,970 --> 02:56:08,430 Unknown: you are about to witness the stupidity of extreme 2910 02:56:08,430 --> 02:56:09,330 progressivism. 2911 02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:13,530 It's not exactly an inviting image that would draw locals or 2912 02:56:13,530 --> 02:56:17,070 tourists to visit. More boards went up today on the federal 2913 02:56:17,070 --> 02:56:17,640 courthouse 2914 02:56:18,449 --> 02:56:22,499 to port acquisitive, meaning we're who is also the police 2915 02:56:22,619 --> 02:56:26,249 commissioner, when there's a riot. He gotta try it in the 2916 02:56:26,249 --> 02:56:30,779 crowd. You gotta get out who the people ain't with him. His 2917 02:56:30,779 --> 02:56:35,549 police had to go in rescue him. He's just going out. He's a 2918 02:56:35,549 --> 02:56:40,319 stupid and so I screaming sauerkraut. What are you doing? 2919 02:56:41,549 --> 02:56:48,119 What are you doing? Straight down a port 2920 02:56:50,100 --> 02:56:53,100 VT in many places, but especially on the face that held 2921 02:56:53,100 --> 02:56:55,260 the elk statute for more than 100 years. 2922 02:56:56,070 --> 02:56:59,820 John C. Dvorak: I think I mean mainstream Americans, the silent 2923 02:56:59,820 --> 02:57:05,400 majority, actually kind of tired of seeing the anarchy is 2924 02:57:05,820 --> 02:57:11,940 destroying our city. And we would like to see the step up. 2925 02:57:12,690 --> 02:57:15,180 Unknown: Take care of these people. Downtown Portland, 2926 02:57:15,450 --> 02:57:18,180 downtown Portland Street, downtown Portland. 2927 02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:29,430 The bed, restaurant and bar owners are going to make it 2928 02:57:29,460 --> 02:57:30,810 worse for the Goodwood 2929 02:57:31,410 --> 02:57:35,070 7000. restaurant owners to construct makeshift platforms 2930 02:57:35,070 --> 02:57:38,100 for outdoor dining, which over the past two weeks have been 2931 02:57:38,100 --> 02:57:41,730 perched precariously near traffic. We were not opening 2932 02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:46,380 outdoor bars. We were opening outdoor dining. We never said 2933 02:57:46,740 --> 02:57:50,400 we're opening Block Party bars. Governor 2934 02:57:50,400 --> 02:57:53,820 Cuomo sounds the alarm again worried about younger people 2935 02:57:53,820 --> 02:57:55,950 going to bars and spreading COVID-19 2936 02:57:56,490 --> 02:58:02,100 That is the only line between anarchy and civilization. 2937 02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:05,040 It's just it's tough, because we can't really control what other 2938 02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:06,780 people are doing. Outside of this. 2939 02:58:07,500 --> 02:58:11,130 We're not going to be able to get anyone inside. For the 2940 02:58:11,130 --> 02:58:13,740 foreseeable future. It's even worse. 2941 02:58:14,190 --> 02:58:17,730 If it happens, I'll tell you what's going on. We're gonna 2942 02:58:17,730 --> 02:58:27,510 have to roll back the ocean. Get associated with I don't know, 2943 02:58:28,500 --> 02:58:33,660 there's nothing wrong with I enjoy them. Jimmy, I had nothing 2944 02:58:33,660 --> 02:58:39,120 to do with it, except explain the situation to the people of 2945 02:58:39,120 --> 02:58:43,320 the state and asked them to do the right thing and step up and 2946 02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:43,770 they did. 2947 02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:48,000 But it's still not my impulse to say widescale shut down 2948 02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:50,730 businesses or widescale fines because I really think that 2949 02:58:50,760 --> 02:58:53,370 backfires in terms of what we're trying to achieve getting people 2950 02:58:53,370 --> 02:58:53,970 back to work, 2951 02:58:54,210 --> 02:58:56,730 I was fortunate enough to be able to collect unemployment. So 2952 02:58:56,730 --> 02:59:00,480 that I think, made it a lot easier to get through. But 2953 02:59:00,510 --> 02:59:02,460 that's now quickly changing the 2954 02:59:02,460 --> 02:59:05,910 number of congregations that we're seeing across the state, 2955 02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:09,180 but especially in downstate, primarily of young people, when 2956 02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:11,580 I cooked it, they just won't eat it, but they move it around the 2957 02:59:11,580 --> 02:59:13,080 dish. And that's all I can ask. 2958 02:59:13,470 --> 02:59:17,790 John C. Dvorak: This is a very, very important job. It's really 2959 02:59:17,790 --> 02:59:21,540 something that's been great. You need stamina, you need physical 2960 02:59:21,540 --> 02:59:24,510 health, and you need mental health stamina, I asked the 2961 02:59:24,510 --> 02:59:27,870 doctor I said, is there some kind of a cognitive test 2962 02:59:28,110 --> 02:59:31,530 stamina, because I've been hearing about it, because Joe 2963 02:59:31,530 --> 02:59:35,340 should take that test. Because stamina and something's going 2964 02:59:35,340 --> 02:59:38,850 on. And it's crazy. Oh, he's incompetent. And I say this with 2965 02:59:38,850 --> 02:59:43,620 respect. Like a memory question. It's like you'll go person. 2966 02:59:44,190 --> 02:59:56,670 Woman, man, camera, TV, person, woman, man. TV, camera, TV. If 2967 02:59:56,670 --> 03:00:00,120 you get an order, you get extra points. They said nobody gets In 2968 03:00:00,120 --> 03:00:02,520 an order, it's actually not that easy, but for me, it was easy. 2969 03:00:03,030 --> 03:00:09,030 Okay, that's because I'm cognitively there, okay? But we 2970 03:00:09,030 --> 03:00:13,470 have to have somebody that sharp because I'm cognitive. I can 2971 03:00:13,470 --> 03:00:16,650 tell you President Xi is sharp he wants to take over the world 2972 03:00:16,650 --> 03:00:19,890 President Putin is sharp, he's going to take over the world. 2973 03:00:19,890 --> 03:00:24,540 Everyone is sure he's addicted. And you have to be sharper than 2974 03:00:24,540 --> 03:00:30,030 them. Because I want to shut these people up. If you get it 2975 03:00:30,030 --> 03:00:35,310 in order, you get extra points. And I got perfect if you get it 2976 03:00:35,310 --> 03:00:39,270 in order to get extra points, but as soon as they announced my 2977 03:00:39,270 --> 03:00:43,170 score, and their test, former stuff went away about me is he 2978 03:00:43,170 --> 03:00:55,620 competent? About 25th amendment and nonsense nonsense. Mofo 2979 03:00:55,980 --> 03:00:59,280 boruch.org/a. 2980 03:00:59,910 --> 03:01:00,780 Unknown: flibbertigibbet.