1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,170 John C. Dvorak: Oh, a webinar, 2 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:03,690 Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,960 Adam Curry: Sunday July 19 2020. This is your award winning 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,350 combination media assassination episode 1261 5 00:00:10,350 --> 00:00:12,060 Unknown: This is no agenda. 6 00:00:13,170 --> 00:00:16,380 Adam Curry: Lm Mo and broadcasting live from 7 00:00:16,380 --> 00:00:19,260 opportunity's own 33 Here at the frontier of Austin, Texas 8 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:22,290 capital of the drone stars thing in the morning everybody. I'm 9 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:22,860 Adam curry, 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,920 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley LS MFT 11 00:00:27,190 --> 00:00:28,300 I'm John C. Dvorak. 12 00:00:29,050 --> 00:00:30,550 Unknown: Crackpot and Buzzkill 13 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:34,170 Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Are we the two hippest guys on the 14 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:36,150 planet? Do we have new acronyms? 15 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:39,720 John C. Dvorak: Lucky Strike means fine tobacco. 16 00:00:39,990 --> 00:00:48,690 Adam Curry: Oh, l m m o laughing my mask off. Come on now. Come 17 00:00:48,690 --> 00:00:52,500 on now. It's a good one. Yeah, one for the books, one for the 18 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:52,980 books I'm 19 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:54,240 John C. Dvorak: in. Well, welcome 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,870 Adam Curry: to the one of the epicenters of the of the surge. 21 00:00:58,380 --> 00:00:58,920 Where 22 00:00:58,980 --> 00:01:01,950 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Well, you're the second year they'd 23 00:01:01,950 --> 00:01:08,640 like to wouldn't be penultimate epicenter. Second two, yes. Yes. 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:08,790 Well, 25 00:01:08,790 --> 00:01:11,580 Adam Curry: of course, we just visited the actual epicenter in 26 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:14,940 Florida, and didn't die there either. So we're still hanging 27 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:18,270 in. We're hopeful. We'll get through this. Our governor has 28 00:01:18,270 --> 00:01:21,030 said that don't have to worry. We're not going to lock down 29 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:25,530 which kind of threw some. Some sand in the eyes of our local 30 00:01:25,530 --> 00:01:29,160 mayor who had been using this lock down coming to threaten 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,670 everybody like them in the next two weeks will be the most 32 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:35,910 important this is we have too many cases it's going out of 33 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:40,320 control. And then we had the best fear porn ever come across 34 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,910 the transom on Friday. 35 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:44,820 Unknown: 85 infants have tested positive for Coronavirus in 36 00:01:44,820 --> 00:01:47,820 Nueces County, which includes Corpus Christi, the public 37 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:50,670 health director made that announcement this week and urged 38 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:53,940 residents to wear masks and practice social distancing. 39 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:57,780 These babies have not even had their first birthday yet. Please 40 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:00,240 help us to stop the spread of this disease. 41 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:03,270 No other details were provided on the condition of those 42 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:07,050 infants. But Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths linked 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:07,950 to the virus. 44 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:11,250 Adam Curry: Alright, this needs to be deconstructed that you 45 00:02:11,310 --> 00:02:14,100 would think the voice in the middle is the public health 46 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:16,860 director for Nueces County, which includes includes Corpus 47 00:02:16,860 --> 00:02:23,790 Christi, and this report was very, very mean. to first say 85 48 00:02:23,790 --> 00:02:28,590 Babies have tested positive, not mentioning if they were sick or 49 00:02:28,590 --> 00:02:34,020 not. And then end the report with 82 have died so far. 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,190 John C. Dvorak: But they meant 82 Total people didn't they? 51 00:02:38,549 --> 00:02:41,339 Adam Curry: Of course, but it's meant to put something into your 52 00:02:41,339 --> 00:02:41,939 brain. 53 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:44,760 Unknown: No other details were provided on the condition of 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,300 those infants. But Corpus Christi currently has 82 deaths 55 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:49,650 linked to the virus. 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,230 Adam Curry: But here is the kicker. Yeah, nice. 57 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:53,010 John C. Dvorak: Nice. Well, It 58 00:02:53,010 --> 00:02:56,820 Adam Curry: Gets Better It Gets Better. It gets better. This so 59 00:02:56,820 --> 00:02:59,970 this one viral. Everyone's tripping out all babies. Oh, no. 60 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:07,440 It's his school schools up what babies? The this report and many 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,630 similar to it neglect to mention that the 85 infants who tested 62 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:21,300 positive is a total number since the beginning of March. But do 63 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:24,780 you think anyone will care about that part of it? Or will it just 64 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:29,850 be the 85 children are gone? They're almost dead. Wow. Yeah, 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,450 it's in that's just fear porn, fear porn and probably 66 00:03:33,450 --> 00:03:40,110 irresponsible journalism. But cry made it sound like I heard 67 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:43,230 that report. I thought it sounded they're having like this 68 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:46,620 day. Yeah, let's see five babies. And that's what the 69 00:03:46,620 --> 00:03:49,830 report was deposited. And now you can see that they've changed 70 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:54,030 their stories. The headlines remain the same 85 in infants 85 71 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:57,540 Babies test positive COVID Corpus Christi, new Asus, and 72 00:03:57,540 --> 00:04:00,540 then some of them have added down somewhere in the story that 73 00:04:00,540 --> 00:04:04,320 it was a total starting as of March one. So this this is the 74 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,270 kind of stuff that we have to be very careful of also 38,000 It's 75 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:14,310 an announcement is it's actually in the news 38,000 trainees are 76 00:04:14,310 --> 00:04:18,900 now starting their medical residency during this pandemic. 77 00:04:18,900 --> 00:04:23,010 It's this is from CNN, who are happy to report it and neglects 78 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:26,490 to report that statistically deaths go up a little bit in 79 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:30,720 July because of the 38,000 trainees who come in and are 80 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,020 learning on the job. It's not really something they advertise 81 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:37,140 I guess but we know this is well known within the medical 82 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:45,210 community, community community. Then I have a question for you. 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Have you received an email or heard from someone you know, 84 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,300 that has said something like this? Today a group of family 85 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,420 friends young 20 Somethings drove to San Diego You're from 86 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:03,630 Northern San Diego County to get in line for COVID testing, they 87 00:05:03,630 --> 00:05:06,900 signed in and got in line. One of them got tired of waiting in 88 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:10,470 line to be tested. So he left and went home. His test results 89 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:13,800 came back positive. He wasn't tested and his test results came 90 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,960 back positive. I have received a similar message from at least 15 91 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,870 people and I've seen twice that many stories on Twitter. Is this 92 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,910 something that is actually rampant? Where even if you if 93 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:32,310 you sign up, you don't get to test somehow it comes back 94 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:36,540 positive maybe by default, or is this one of those urban legends? 95 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:40,230 Were a good friend of mine said or a buddy of mine went through 96 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:41,310 this. What do you think? 97 00:05:42,510 --> 00:05:44,940 John C. Dvorak: Well, it has the well, because of his nature, it 98 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:49,380 has all the earmarks of an urban legend. Bullcrap story. Yeah. So 99 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:50,610 you have to assume it is 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,480 Adam Curry: no okay. Well, I'm planning on getting on 101 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,210 registering for a test and then not taking the test and see if 102 00:05:57,210 --> 00:06:00,720 it comes back. Just as a personal 103 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:04,560 John C. Dvorak: starting point to verify this idea. And 104 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,250 furthermore, 105 00:06:05,250 --> 00:06:09,420 Adam Curry: the state of Texas has now removed 3484 cases from 106 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:12,780 its COVID-19 positive case comp, because San Antonio's health 107 00:06:12,780 --> 00:06:16,260 department was reporting probable cases, for people who 108 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:21,390 are never actually tested as confirmed positive. There's a 109 00:06:21,390 --> 00:06:25,680 lot of stupidity with this testing and how, what number 110 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,720 what value we're attaching to it. And even the death count. 111 00:06:30,930 --> 00:06:33,750 Did you see that email someone sent back a note about the graph 112 00:06:33,750 --> 00:06:34,860 you put in the newsletter? 113 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:38,940 John C. Dvorak: Okay, what else? No, I did not see it. No. So 114 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:41,280 Adam Curry: it was the death count graph. And you saw that it 115 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,730 kind of all peaked in April. And now it was in April down close 116 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:48,690 to zero. And, and someone replies it I put this on Twitter 117 00:06:48,690 --> 00:06:52,170 and right away was schooled by everybody that that's that graph 118 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:55,740 is wrong. The death counters 1002. Where'd you get that graph 119 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:56,160 from? 120 00:06:57,030 --> 00:07:00,510 John C. Dvorak: It's a It's a compilation of CDC CDC stats 121 00:07:00,510 --> 00:07:05,730 that you can look up to CDC graph. That's one of them. The 122 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:07,530 other one's a UK graph. I don't know where that 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,330 Adam Curry: came from. But the grid was the green one. And you 124 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:12,750 know, the the UK graph was looks about right. But the I don't 125 00:07:12,750 --> 00:07:16,140 know. I'm just saying that. If you there's no way you can 126 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:19,350 convince anybody who's all in and believes everything. Just 127 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:21,270 forget about it. Sit back, relax. 128 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:26,340 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, in fact, you have not worth it to the mid 129 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,790 it's obvious that in mid April, this thing peaked out which is 130 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:33,600 what Cuomo said was happening. I mean, everyone's knows this 131 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:38,130 exactly why they want to not why they're in denial about is just 132 00:07:38,130 --> 00:07:41,340 I think it's just a mechanism of marketing to keep everybody all 133 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:42,810 jacked up about the vaccine. 134 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:45,780 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, the vaccine and politics and so they 135 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:49,200 can continuously about Trump is just bitched about Trump bitch 136 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,630 about Trump keep on going. But as predicted, it looks like we 137 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:57,900 have the Act Three coming into play with the vaccine I'm going 138 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:01,260 to lead you into I see you have some clips about this. So this 139 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:06,270 should probably work perfectly. Texas once again, clips, Texas 140 00:08:06,270 --> 00:08:09,060 once again is a spot Well, what? 141 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:11,820 John C. Dvorak: I've been chatting and you don't hear me 142 00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:13,320 most of the time for some reason. 143 00:08:14,010 --> 00:08:15,810 Adam Curry: Maybe I was ignoring you. What were you saying? 144 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:19,650 John C. Dvorak: I said what clips you talking about? Fauci 145 00:08:19,650 --> 00:08:22,800 clips. Oh, yeah, Fauci. 146 00:08:23,609 --> 00:08:26,579 Adam Curry: So, I'm gonna lead you into Fauci is what I was 147 00:08:26,579 --> 00:08:31,139 saying. It was. He was supposed to be slick, but it really 148 00:08:31,139 --> 00:08:31,739 failed. 149 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:34,350 John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah. Because you said the vaccine 150 00:08:34,350 --> 00:08:36,330 clips and I don't like seeing. 151 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:43,079 Adam Curry: Okay. So we're moving into Act Three, as it 152 00:08:43,079 --> 00:08:47,999 pertains to this pandemic. And clearly, it's the vaccine stage, 153 00:08:47,999 --> 00:08:50,639 and everyone's getting all excited, and it's almost like a 154 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:55,109 global race. But Fauci is, as we would say, in the biz 155 00:08:55,109 --> 00:09:00,209 problematic. He recently with his wife appeared in an InStyle 156 00:09:00,209 --> 00:09:04,469 magazine profile at his house, because he's Mr. Celebrity, 157 00:09:04,469 --> 00:09:09,569 remember his wife, Grady, that she's in charge of the ethical 158 00:09:09,989 --> 00:09:15,059 issues for approving vaccines within the NIH? No. So the fact 159 00:09:15,059 --> 00:09:16,709 that their marriage shouldn't make any difference, I'm sure 160 00:09:16,709 --> 00:09:18,719 they're very professional about all of this and don't have any 161 00:09:18,719 --> 00:09:23,729 pillow talk. No conflict of interest there. But Fauci got 162 00:09:23,729 --> 00:09:26,579 slammed, got butt slammed because they weren't wearing 163 00:09:26,579 --> 00:09:30,479 masks. They should have been wearing masks in the pictorial. 164 00:09:30,659 --> 00:09:34,619 He screwed it up. And the whole point of the article was some 165 00:09:34,619 --> 00:09:38,309 transition of power, I think, because in it, the question is, 166 00:09:38,909 --> 00:09:42,299 do you think the President is going to fire you? And Fauci his 167 00:09:42,299 --> 00:09:46,889 answer is T can't question again. He can't fire you 168 00:09:47,219 --> 00:09:53,759 answered, No, the president cannot fire me. So let's move in 169 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:58,109 his boss and let's put them in with broth. And let's see what 170 00:09:58,109 --> 00:10:01,649 we can get out of it after we are done. Ansari trials in San 171 00:10:01,649 --> 00:10:02,069 Antonio 172 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:05,190 Unknown: first step for the very first Coronavirus vaccine tested 173 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:08,820 in the United States is showing promising results. Maderna 174 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:12,120 released the results of the first phase of human trials and 175 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,260 quickly advancing to the second phase, a third phase set to 176 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:19,050 begin late this month, right here in San Antonio, 177 00:10:19,170 --> 00:10:22,440 the first phase of the moderna trial produced good news with 178 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,520 two doses of the vaccine showing a quick immune response. But a 179 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,610 big question remains about the immunity of the vaccine they are 180 00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:30,600 trying to develop. 181 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:35,430 Question related that is going to be long term immunity, and 182 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:41,310 how long does it need that's been came with the vaccine is 183 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:43,770 going to last and protect patients 184 00:10:44,010 --> 00:10:47,640 89% of the participants were white, with the remaining being 185 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,450 minorities, getting minorities to participate in the next step 186 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:53,040 is extremely important. 187 00:10:53,070 --> 00:10:54,780 Adam Curry: And by the way, when you're going to talk to 188 00:10:54,780 --> 00:10:57,960 minorities about vaccine trials, you have to make a few things 189 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,670 very clear. These are the folks who 190 00:10:59,670 --> 00:11:01,950 Unknown: have been hardest hit with with this disease right 191 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:05,130 now. So we want them to be able to participate to help us to 192 00:11:05,310 --> 00:11:09,390 give us more information about how they how the virus infects 193 00:11:09,390 --> 00:11:09,690 them. And 194 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,690 for the third phase, it is important to note volunteers 195 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:16,200 would not be injected with COVID, and would not increase 196 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,640 their chance of getting the virus. 197 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,820 Adam Curry: Oh, thanks, I feel much better. Now an important 198 00:11:20,820 --> 00:11:21,870 thing for people to realize 199 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:25,110 Unknown: is you're not going to get the virus from the vaccine. 200 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:29,370 And those symptoms that you may experience are just evidence 201 00:11:29,370 --> 00:11:31,620 that the vaccine is doing what we want it to do in your 202 00:11:31,620 --> 00:11:34,380 mind. If you would like more information about the trial or 203 00:11:34,380 --> 00:11:37,440 to sign up for the trial itself. We have the contact information 204 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,470 for clinical trials of Texas with this story on Ken's 205 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:41,220 five.com. 206 00:11:41,459 --> 00:11:44,759 Adam Curry: And by the way, what you saw there was not a doctor 207 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:48,689 from Maderna. It was a representative from the agency 208 00:11:48,689 --> 00:11:52,529 that does the tests, making it kind of look like hey, I'm here 209 00:11:52,529 --> 00:11:55,289 from a Dern everything's awesome. This is a this is a an 210 00:11:55,289 --> 00:12:00,119 ad to get people to sign up for this thing. And we need some we 211 00:12:00,119 --> 00:12:03,509 need some African Americans over here. Don't worry, there's no 212 00:12:03,509 --> 00:12:07,799 vaccine in this. I mean, no, no, no virus in this vaccine. So 213 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:10,950 John C. Dvorak: so so that apparently they actually think 214 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,610 that if you tell someone, hey, we're giving you an injection, 215 00:12:14,610 --> 00:12:18,960 but there's we're not shooting up with COVID. That that's going 216 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,210 to be okay. If somebody tells me that I'm not taking that, what 217 00:12:24,210 --> 00:12:26,070 do you what do you mean, what are you telling me this? 218 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:28,740 Adam Curry: Why did you have to disclaim that as an additional 219 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:29,940 literal major there? What's 220 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:32,280 John C. Dvorak: what do you what are you getting it? What are 221 00:12:32,610 --> 00:12:33,690 you? Yeah. 222 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,170 Adam Curry: Anyway, again, I think they still need to target 223 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:40,770 the young people to get a free pass to roam around wherever you 224 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:45,420 want. Now, with Fauci in my regard on the way out, we have 225 00:12:45,420 --> 00:12:48,720 to bring in his boss, we have to bring in Francis Collins, and 226 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,320 he's on with both. And of course, the whole issue of 227 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,950 transition comes up in this backhanded way about Fauci being 228 00:12:55,950 --> 00:12:56,430 fired. 229 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:59,430 Unknown: I know you were asked the other day about this. And 230 00:12:59,430 --> 00:13:01,950 let me let me press you on this. Dr. Collins, you and I have 231 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:05,160 known each other for quite a while, you said that you would 232 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,180 refuse an order to dismiss Dr. Fauci works for you. And you 233 00:13:09,180 --> 00:13:12,690 laugh, saying, and I think I'm quoting you now, I think you 234 00:13:12,690 --> 00:13:17,610 heard my answer to be clear. Are you saying you would not carry 235 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:20,100 out an order to fire Dr. Fauci? 236 00:13:20,310 --> 00:13:23,100 I could not imagine doing something of that sort. No, 237 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,220 you if you were to fire him, what would you do? Would you 238 00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:30,390 rather resign than carry out an order from the President of the 239 00:13:30,390 --> 00:13:31,410 United States? Your 240 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,980 you know, well, I really hope that this kind of circumstance 241 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:38,400 never comes to pass. And I'm not sure it's a helpful conversation 242 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,600 to have. But I certainly would defend the contributions and the 243 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,870 remarkable character of Tony Fauci, I would find it very 244 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:48,900 difficult to be in a circumstance where I was asked 245 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,730 to do something like what you're describing, 246 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:53,490 I want to move on. But has anyone inside the White House 247 00:13:53,490 --> 00:13:57,360 ever reached out to you about Dr. Fauci getting your thoughts 248 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,570 on whether or not he should stay on the taskforce or be fired? 249 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Nobody ever has. And I hope you notice that the White House 250 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:08,100 basically distanced themselves from Peter antivirus op ed that 251 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,910 clearly was not supported by others in the White House senior 252 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:14,610 staff. And he not only, of course, is in this role on the 253 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:17,220 task force and being a spokesperson about what's 254 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:21,540 happening with COVID-19. He also is the scientist who leads our 255 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:25,500 heart of NIH, with all that's happening now with investigating 256 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:29,190 and developing therapeutics and vaccines and new diagnostic 257 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:32,100 tests, something that I'm also deeply engaged in at the moment. 258 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:33,810 So he's a national treasure, 259 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:36,540 national treasure we could both agree 260 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Adam Curry: Of course he's a national treasure. We can't We 261 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:39,360 can't. 262 00:14:40,650 --> 00:14:42,720 John C. Dvorak: This is interesting because of the clips 263 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,620 I have are kind of reflect this. And by the way, I don't think 264 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:51,810 college is going to cut it. I pushing back on your thing. All 265 00:14:51,810 --> 00:14:55,320 right. All right. Keep Fauci in play. Okay, but somebody wants 266 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,200 to get rid of flip Fauci but it's not the White House. No, 267 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:01,890 and it's either the media or it's or they're just hounding 268 00:15:01,890 --> 00:15:04,680 the hell out of Fauci what you just saw there was repeating 269 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,270 this word. What do you think about this? What do you think 270 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:11,400 about that? I got a series Judy does the same thing. Fauci on 271 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,390 for half an hour, 272 00:15:12,420 --> 00:15:15,360 Adam Curry: okay? And I'll wait my assertion again, I like this. 273 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:19,770 Someone wants, someone wants Fauci out, but it's not the 274 00:15:19,770 --> 00:15:21,720 White House. I like this. That's what I'm 275 00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:23,850 John C. Dvorak: beginning to think because the which keeps 276 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:26,640 showing up. It's not the White House that is making the fuss 277 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,810 and it's definitely not Trump. Right. But somebody wants him to 278 00:15:30,810 --> 00:15:34,380 fire Fauci for some reason, so they can use it all. He fired 279 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:37,500 Fauci, I've maybe that's it. Maybe it's just that simple. 280 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:43,380 Yeah, just to have that bit of it could be could be. But let's 281 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:47,370 say I took he was on the NewsHour for a half hour yak, 282 00:15:47,370 --> 00:15:51,300 yak yak, and he's, you can see that they they're not going to 283 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:55,320 put college and college doesn't have that. Some bow Fauci. He's 284 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,950 just he's Fauci. You know, he's got this crackly voice. He's, 285 00:15:59,070 --> 00:16:02,970 he's cool as a cucumber. He's really good, actually. But let's 286 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:05,490 listen. I have a whole bunch of clips from him. I'm good. But 287 00:16:05,490 --> 00:16:09,840 let's just listen to this the attack mode. We're we're Judy's 288 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,130 trying to pull the same crap that you just heard. Wolf do. 289 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:17,850 Now. This is the Fauci Judy attack one, 290 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:21,210 Unknown: the White House, you had your first conversation with 291 00:16:21,210 --> 00:16:26,220 President Trump. We are told this week, in perhaps a month or 292 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:29,280 longer. You had a meeting with the White House Chief of Staff 293 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,180 Mark Meadows, but just yesterday, he called you 294 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:37,860 irresponsible. For a statement you made comparing, saying that 295 00:16:37,860 --> 00:16:44,700 this pandemic could be worse than the 1918 pandemic, you also 296 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:47,400 have been attacked, as you know, by Peter Navarro, the White 297 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:52,710 House advisor, are you convinced that the White House is not 298 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:54,900 trying to discredit you? Dr. Fauci? 299 00:16:55,349 --> 00:16:57,629 John C. Dvorak: You know, I think you got to be careful when 300 00:16:57,629 --> 00:17:01,439 you say the White House there. The White House in general is 301 00:17:01,439 --> 00:17:05,609 not trying to certainly the President is not. I certainly 302 00:17:05,609 --> 00:17:08,669 believe that Mark Meadows is not what happened with Peter 303 00:17:08,669 --> 00:17:11,909 Navarro. And that editorial, I can't even comment on that. That 304 00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:15,899 just is beyond my comprehension. Why he did that. But I do not 305 00:17:15,899 --> 00:17:18,779 believe that the White House is trying to discredit me. No, I 306 00:17:18,779 --> 00:17:25,709 don't. Okay, so he says he, I think that's it. He answered the 307 00:17:25,709 --> 00:17:29,909 question. He said, No, I don't think so. But wait a minute. 308 00:17:29,999 --> 00:17:35,909 That's not good enough for Judy. Let's read let me think what can 309 00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:39,839 Judy do? Well, let's try take it to the second shot. Let's go. 310 00:17:40,170 --> 00:17:42,270 Unknown: Do you think there are individuals in the White House 311 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:46,050 who are? Well, I already mentioned one, and Mark Meadows 312 00:17:46,050 --> 00:17:47,580 saying you're responsible for that? 313 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:50,850 John C. Dvorak: Well, I what happened there is that that was 314 00:17:50,850 --> 00:17:55,020 something that was said in another interview where I went, 315 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:58,020 where there could have been a misunderstanding that I was 316 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:01,740 equating them. So when the thing we wanted to do was to correct 317 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:05,670 that, which I did. In an interview that I had just like 318 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,550 yesterday, I believe. I don't think he was calling me 319 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:12,210 irresponsible as a person. I think he was referring to his 320 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:16,080 concern that there was going to be some misunderstanding. I 321 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,810 don't have a problem with that. Mark and I are on very good 322 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:19,410 terms. 323 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:23,820 Adam Curry: It's the I like the the terminology irresponsible. 324 00:18:26,610 --> 00:18:32,610 irresponsible. What, how about this for size? So Trump wants 325 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:37,500 him around? Because what's coming is Fauci his connection 326 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:41,790 to the Wuhan lab and the financing. So there may be 327 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:46,140 people who want Fauci out for that very reason to stay in 328 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:49,290 having stayed in for that very reason and call him things such 329 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:54,360 as irresponsible, which is a little better than a horrible 330 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,020 douchebag lie. Just he's irresponsible. Why? Well, yeah, 331 00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:01,050 we saw what he did with the with Wuhan, and with the lab and that 332 00:19:01,050 --> 00:19:03,720 was irresponsible. That's a 333 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,240 John C. Dvorak: career killer. Interesting idea, but that there 334 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,520 is something going on to somebody trying to get rid of 335 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Fauci and it doesn't seem to be the White House. But let's but 336 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:17,310 but that's not good enough for Judy. Oh, no. She heard it twice 337 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:20,760 it He's indeed No, no, no, no, that's not happening now. And I 338 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,430 understand what he said when he called me a responsible boom, 339 00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:27,270 fine. No, no. Let's go with number three is shorty here. 340 00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:28,860 She's going to try to get a quick one in. 341 00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:31,500 Unknown: Let me ask it this way. Dr. Fauci. Do you think you have 342 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:35,460 the full backing and support of the White House from the 343 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:36,420 President on down? 344 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,440 John C. Dvorak: I do. I do. I believe I do. I spoke to the 345 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,900 President about that. I believe I do. Oh, okay. That was that 346 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:46,110 was 347 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:48,330 Unknown: pretty final pretty definitive. He's 348 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,590 John C. Dvorak: what the with the classic Oh, geez. Let Well 349 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:56,160 let me ask the same question this way. Now, Kaylee Mac 350 00:19:56,370 --> 00:20:00,750 McEnaney would have blasted her yeah, for asking the same 351 00:20:00,750 --> 00:20:05,520 question the third time. But no, that's not good enough still. 352 00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:09,420 Judy decides to take him on a fourth time. 353 00:20:10,530 --> 00:20:12,630 Unknown: And and why do you think they've been trying to 354 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:14,280 limit your public appearances? 355 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:16,290 John C. Dvorak: Well, I think it's a question of different 356 00:20:16,290 --> 00:20:20,880 messages getting out in the real emphasis right now, you know, is 357 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,010 on more of trying to get the country opened again and 358 00:20:26,010 --> 00:20:29,460 economic messages. I don't think there's going to be that man. 359 00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:32,790 Yes. varies. There are some times when I'm on a lot, and 360 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:36,180 sometimes when I'm not, here I am with you. You know, I always 361 00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:39,090 like to be on with you. I'm glad they said yesterday, and 362 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:41,310 Unknown: we appreciate it. We appreciate 363 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:44,370 Adam Curry: Ah, wait, there was approval. There was approval for 364 00:20:44,370 --> 00:20:49,140 this one. You notice that? Yeah. Hi. They said I could do now who 365 00:20:49,140 --> 00:20:52,200 was they? Are we just to assume the White House? 366 00:20:52,350 --> 00:20:54,120 John C. Dvorak: Well, there's a couple of things that in that 367 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:58,770 little subtext that come to mind one, he's doing a lot of 368 00:20:58,770 --> 00:21:02,400 interviews. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And if he had got, he's 369 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,010 getting approval to do all of them. I would, yeah, I would 370 00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:07,770 expect the expected Deji just what he said, because he got 371 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:11,040 approval to do the end. He did the news hour. So he's getting 372 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,940 approved for all these things. So doing all these all the lots 373 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,300 and lots and lots of interviews. He's getting approval for so 374 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,180 who's bitching about him doing too many interviews? 375 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:26,280 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, the media. Yeah, 376 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,510 John C. Dvorak: it's the media. 377 00:21:31,170 --> 00:21:33,180 Adam Curry: You had me stumped for a second but I'm glad I came 378 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:33,600 through. 379 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:39,240 John C. Dvorak: It was a scam. Yeah, well, 380 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,230 Adam Curry: I I'm My money's on, on him being a problem for the 381 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,140 for the outcome of a lot of investigation because you know, 382 00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:48,420 the investigation the investigation is going on right 383 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:52,290 now. That Trump is pretty confident the way he speaks 384 00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:55,110 about it and speaks about Wuhan speaks about the lab and 385 00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:58,950 John C. Dvorak: when I think Fauci is in on the on the couch 386 00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:02,490 is going to touch he's no slouch. He's obviously, you 387 00:22:02,490 --> 00:22:04,620 know, been in the game for a long time. He's made a lot of 388 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,710 money. He's got a wife this well positioned. He probably will 389 00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:11,580 come out of this fine. He may be that the witness for the for the 390 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,820 defense of that witness for the prosecution, witness for the 391 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:18,090 prosecution witness for the White House? We don't know. But 392 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:21,690 he doesn't seem like he's worried at all about any of this 393 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:24,840 bull crap that the media keeps throwing at him in this constant 394 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:30,510 questions about, do they hate the White House? Well, I'm 395 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:32,580 seeing I saw it with the wolf thing. I think the wolf thing 396 00:22:32,580 --> 00:22:36,330 was perfectly did the same thing, Judy. I'm trying to say 397 00:22:36,330 --> 00:22:36,990 something. Yeah. 398 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:39,510 Adam Curry: And it was obviously the same in InStyle. Magazine, 399 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:43,770 not necessarily the bastion of journalism. So they got the 400 00:22:43,770 --> 00:22:49,170 message too, huh. That is interesting. Okay, you can do an 401 00:22:49,170 --> 00:22:51,930 interview with him, as long as you ask him about getting fired 402 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:56,160 twice. And if you suggest three times, then you're on our good 403 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,850 list. And we'll give you more access. Later on. I can just see 404 00:22:59,850 --> 00:23:01,440 Judy falling for that crap. 405 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,010 John C. Dvorak: Ah, she's often she's lost. She's lost that long 406 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:07,740 ago. Now, there's a couple of things that were actually decent 407 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:11,190 in them interview. I have three other clips of the Fauci 408 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:14,250 interview. If you want to hear yes, of course, one of them. Of 409 00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:19,230 course, he did his thing. With a sidebar out of the blue, I 410 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:23,970 managed to get a plug in here. This is the Fauci sidebar with 411 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:27,240 another respiratory virus, where you've got to be able to 412 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,750 determine the difference of those two. And that's the reason 413 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:35,040 why I think what we should be doing is making sure that as we 414 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,670 get into the fall, we get as many people vaccinated as we 415 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:45,210 possibly can against influenza to try to get that off the 416 00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:45,750 table. 417 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:49,590 Adam Curry: Yeah, so we can show that whatever else we put into 418 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:56,280 your veins works ever. I'm just, I'm just a conspiratorial 419 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,910 thinker. That's all you are. I have no problem with it. 420 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:02,490 John C. Dvorak: He does, how he does bring up the anti vaxxers 421 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:06,300 Which, by the way, and I've said it on this show, and I know 422 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,540 you've totally agree with me, but you don't disagree. Is that 423 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:14,610 when they came out with that swine flu vaccine in 2009 they 424 00:24:14,610 --> 00:24:17,310 have in a car, Zephyr, by the way for you. Okay, so 425 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:19,440 Adam Curry: we're stable economy stable, everybody. 426 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:21,720 John C. Dvorak: When they came out with that vaccine, I took 427 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,280 photos I blogged about there were lines around the block. It 428 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080 looks like a Star Wars movie. 429 00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:30,450 Adam Curry: And why would I not agree with that? I thought we 430 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:31,500 had consensus. No, I 431 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,690 John C. Dvorak: mean, but it just that the point is, is that 432 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:36,570 these anti vaxxers The people that don't want to get 433 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:39,540 vaccinated, it's a very small number 434 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:40,920 Adam Curry: a pretty small group. Yeah, 435 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,230 John C. Dvorak: I think so. But he thinks is a bigger number 436 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:45,030 than it is. However, 437 00:24:45,629 --> 00:24:50,999 Adam Curry: excuse me. Anti vaxxers I think is limited. The 438 00:24:50,999 --> 00:24:54,449 number of people who will stand in line for the vaccine on day 439 00:24:54,449 --> 00:24:59,849 one. I'm getting mixed results. Oh, hang back and wait a few 440 00:24:59,849 --> 00:25:02,039 days. As a way to of course, there'll be plenty of people who 441 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,459 will line up no doubt about it. But I think there is a little 442 00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:08,789 bit of apprehension, but one or two weeks or maybe a month into 443 00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:10,559 it, everyone will be on board, I'm sure. 444 00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:12,900 John C. Dvorak: I don't think there's any apprehension 445 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:18,030 whatsoever. You notice this in your note, somebody sends you a 446 00:25:18,030 --> 00:25:20,280 letter, your one year old buddy says I just wait for the 447 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:20,970 vaccine. 448 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,300 Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. 449 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:26,730 John C. Dvorak: I think that's the gent that's the way I think 450 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,860 Horowitz will be in line. Oh, yeah. 451 00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:34,020 Adam Curry: Well, no, I will wager that he'll want to wait 452 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:37,830 for one but he's a smart guy. He like he understands risk. So he 453 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:40,440 likes to hedge risk. And he'll wait one or two, maybe one or 454 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,130 two days. 455 00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:45,330 John C. Dvorak: Hedging anything. 456 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,400 Adam Curry: He's a friend, you know, so I don't want to slam 457 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,360 them too bad. But yeah, 458 00:25:48,389 --> 00:25:50,459 John C. Dvorak: I'm not slamming him. I'm just saying he'll be in 459 00:25:50,459 --> 00:25:53,669 line for the vaccine. He thinks we're nuts. Why aren't you in 460 00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:56,219 line for the vaccine? It'd be the way it is, you know, what, 461 00:25:56,219 --> 00:26:00,449 what do you what? So here's the Fauci on the anti vaxxers. 462 00:26:00,570 --> 00:26:03,660 Unknown: Do you have a worry, though, Dr. Fauci that the anti 463 00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:07,260 vaccine movement could interfere with this timetable? 464 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,670 John C. Dvorak: Yes, I do. Because I mean, we have to admit 465 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:16,560 and realize that there is an anti Vax movement that we've had 466 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,980 to struggle with in this country. And I believe the 467 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:24,000 solution to that would be community engagement, and 468 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,050 community outreach, to get people that are trusted by the 469 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:32,340 community to go out there and explain to them the importance 470 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:36,330 of not only getting engaged in the vaccine trial, but the 471 00:26:36,330 --> 00:26:39,600 importance of when the vaccine is shown to be safe and 472 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,040 effective to actually take the vaccine, because it could be 473 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,610 life saving, and it certainly would be the solution to this 474 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:48,840 terrible pandemic. 475 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,580 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, he got his he got his his little thing 476 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:54,060 in there. 477 00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:57,960 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, he'll get that. They'll have the 478 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,300 everybody coming out of the woodwork saying how great it is, 479 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,060 via the whole campaign to get you to get take your shots. 480 00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:04,890 Adam Curry: Well, the the skepticism in general was 481 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:09,510 growing worldwide. Certainly with just trusting the numbers. 482 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,590 In the UK now the health secretary has ordered an urgent 483 00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:17,880 review. The numbers have been just too high. The death count 484 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,490 has been you know, there's over counting, there's a lot of 485 00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:23,910 different I mean, everywhere people are starting to question 486 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:29,370 as masks become mandatory across the globe is not whenever I 487 00:27:29,370 --> 00:27:33,120 should probably have clipped it. But the the number of times I've 488 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:38,070 heard on MSNBC people say no one else in the world is arguing 489 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:42,450 about masks. Well, yeah, they will they may not be arguing was 490 00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:45,390 loudly because we have free speech, freedom of speech in 491 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:50,550 America. Most other countries, people are afraid to stand up 492 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:53,700 and say, Hey, I don't agree with something. But it's everywhere. 493 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:57,780 Every country is now recounting every country is enforcing 494 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:01,350 masks. So it's kind of this two prong you know, I want to remind 495 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,720 you, it's really bad. It's really bad because you see masks 496 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,820 everywhere. But the numbers are also kind of wrong. Man, I don't 497 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:13,230 I will say from my end, I it's it's over. It's peaked, it's 498 00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:16,710 going down and most people don't seem to die. Most people don't 499 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:21,330 even get really sick. And that people who do Sorry. So if you 500 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:25,200 don't understand numbers of 1000 people a day dying of something. 501 00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:29,070 I can't help that. You got to see something in perspective 502 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,340 John C. Dvorak: until it happens to me. Respective. Oh, zemli 503 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:41,730 you? I'm sorry. It could d3. everything's good to go. 504 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Adam Curry: That's what I think. I take 1010 Micro Juliet's per 505 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,560 day, 506 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:49,080 John C. Dvorak: whatever, the giblets. Yeah, they're really 507 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720 good. I love him. Now, there's only one last time you want to 508 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,780 play it now in play, maybe come into play some later but Fauci 509 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:58,200 does bring up the back to school thing, and he's not he doesn't 510 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,550 come up with what you think 511 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,610 Unknown: so much to ask you. Dr. Fauci had it. But one of the 512 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:04,860 most important things on people's minds, of course, is 513 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:08,400 going back to school. And I do want to ask you that K through 514 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,180 12. As you know, the Secretary of Education this week, said all 515 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:15,660 children should be back in school this fall. There's even a 516 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:19,680 potential risk of losing federal funds. Then just this afternoon, 517 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,910 the governor of California said, Most California schools are not 518 00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:27,540 going to be back in person, what are individuals? What are 519 00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:29,640 parents to make of this? 520 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:32,249 John C. Dvorak: You know, obviously, this is a 521 00:29:32,249 --> 00:29:35,939 disconcerting problem, because we care so much about our 522 00:29:35,939 --> 00:29:39,329 children and their education. The way I look at it, Julie 523 00:29:39,329 --> 00:29:44,099 quickly, I have looking at 40,000 feet. A default position 524 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:47,969 to default position is that you should try to the best of your 525 00:29:47,969 --> 00:29:52,499 ability, with all considerations to the safety and welfare of the 526 00:29:52,499 --> 00:29:56,459 children and the teachers. We should try to get the children 527 00:29:56,579 --> 00:30:01,259 back to school as best as we possibly can. And with that as 528 00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:04,079 the framework, you've got to look throughout the country, 529 00:30:04,229 --> 00:30:08,759 that the level of infection is different from region to region, 530 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,309 state to state, county to county. So they're going to be 531 00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:14,519 some counties where there's no problem, take the kids back to 532 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,899 school, they're not in danger. In those areas where it's iffy, 533 00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:22,289 where you see that there's a degree of infection, then what 534 00:30:22,289 --> 00:30:27,149 some schools will do short of just shutting down, and some 535 00:30:27,179 --> 00:30:32,279 authorities may decide to do that is to do something with a 536 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,839 little bit of creativity, maybe alternating classes, spacing of 537 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,129 the desks for children who can do it wearing masks. 538 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,550 Adam Curry: You know, any scientist that uses a descriptor 539 00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:49,710 such as Fe, I'm not really buying your science. 540 00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:54,210 John C. Dvorak: Well, he's not against it, though. It's just as 541 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:58,980 a key. The key because the left wing talk radio and the left 542 00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:04,950 wing, not the media as much, but just do hear this. There is this 543 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,580 idea that if we don't go back to school in the fall, Trump loses. 544 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400 Adam Curry: Yeah, I can see where they think that but I 545 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,530 think that is absolutely wrong. 546 00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:19,980 John C. Dvorak: I'm not I'm gonna be on your side. And I 547 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:24,000 think so too. I think the left is nuts. I don't see it, but 548 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,780 they can. They're convinced that if you keep the kids at home, 549 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,350 it's going to create so much anger that you're going to vote 550 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:33,840 out Trump because it's gonna be they're somehow going to blame 551 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,620 Trump for this. 552 00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:37,800 Adam Curry: Well, at least we know what to look for. Because 553 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:40,980 of course, everything blinks wrong. Everything's blamed on 554 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:44,760 Trump World War Two Trump. Come on, everybody knows this. And I 555 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,890 must say, as an as a side note on Orange Man bad. For some 556 00:31:49,890 --> 00:31:55,290 reason. Tina's female friends feel very comfortable speaking 557 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:58,590 their mind in front of me when I'm in the conversation, and 558 00:31:58,590 --> 00:32:01,080 they know and they think you're a doofus, and well they've 559 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,250 listened to my show and I'm sure they know my opinions or, or how 560 00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:06,180 I think about 561 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:08,460 John C. Dvorak: thing. What is this my show? What what is your 562 00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:10,410 show? Here's another show. Yeah, 563 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,020 Adam Curry: it's the with Adam curry show. Do you know what I 564 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:16,590 mean? Jesus. Did you hear the Tom Woods interview? Did you 565 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:18,180 hear how I hyped you up? 566 00:32:18,990 --> 00:32:20,640 John C. Dvorak: No, I've been waiting to hear 567 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,230 Adam Curry: it. Well, you should. You should listen to 568 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:22,890 that. I 569 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:26,130 John C. Dvorak: finally get a job. Yes, 570 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:27,750 Adam Curry: you're getting you're getting a bit part a 571 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:31,740 cameo. You're up man. 572 00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:35,610 John C. Dvorak: I did I totally. Couple of movie producers that 573 00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:36,540 listen to this show. 574 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:37,770 Unknown: Good luck. 575 00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:42,960 Adam Curry: Okay, we all know this is the Jhansi Dvorak Shall 576 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:47,940 we all know. My point was, they've heard me they know my 577 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:51,510 opinions. Yet they have no problem telling me exactly how 578 00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:55,200 they feel when it comes to black lives matter, or Coronavirus. 579 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:59,220 But the fear of Trump where it's coming back, the cycle has 580 00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:02,160 returned. I have heard the following. If Trump gets 581 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,890 reelected, I will load a gun and shoot myself in the head. 582 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:08,460 John C. Dvorak: If wow, if Trump 583 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,210 Adam Curry: if Trump gets reelected, I am moving out of 584 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:13,200 the country. This is 585 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,450 John C. Dvorak: Oh sure. Yeah, we're waiting for that mister 586 00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:18,360 still waiting. This is the fresh rice and I'm thinking to you, 587 00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:23,310 Adam Curry: but I was surprised to hear from one of her Jewish 588 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:27,750 friends. Not the one, you know, a different one. As she is she's 589 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:33,990 also a teacher in the Austin area. She says, Well, if Trump 590 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:38,310 I'm freaking out, I have to get my passport in order, which is a 591 00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:41,460 problem because there's a huge backlog. But if Trump gets 592 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:44,460 reelected, I have to get out because I think the anti 593 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:47,610 semitism and the white supremacist will will be 594 00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:51,210 unleashed and his end is going to happen all over again. He was 595 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:55,500 on the ledge with this. Like really, really freaking out. 596 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:57,180 Well, what are you basing somebody's 597 00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:58,950 John C. Dvorak: putting her there somebody is putting her on 598 00:33:58,950 --> 00:34:02,310 the ledge. Someone is pushing her towards like, Who is that 599 00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:05,130 someone? Is it the media in general? Is that a New York 600 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:06,480 Times? I think it's the New York Times 601 00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:09,780 Adam Curry: maybe the times, but I noticed my next door neighbor, 602 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:09,900 the 603 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,060 John C. Dvorak: ones that you know, they're they're just 604 00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:15,120 shaking in their boots. They stayed locked up because they're 605 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,160 supposed to, you know, the doctors too, and they know 606 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,090 better. And I saw her out on the porch. She'll come out on the 607 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:24,000 porch. And she's and I see what she's doing. She's reading the 608 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,880 New York Times. She's one of those, you know, people in 609 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,270 California, they have an obligation to subscribe to The 610 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:34,080 New York Times as blue rapper you see him when different 611 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,900 streets used to have him all over the place and on his block, 612 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,230 but most of the Chinese have moved in and the New York Times 613 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:41,040 has moved out. 614 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:46,500 Adam Curry: Right, right. Well, what was interesting about about 615 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:50,820 her case, is because we have discussed the very fine people 616 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:54,660 on both sides comment before and I told her Would you please go 617 00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:59,400 read the actual transcript and she brought this up. I do what 618 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,640 you said I read the transcript. And you're so right. But I keep 619 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,850 hearing him say very fine people in different places. And that's 620 00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:10,110 a trope. And then she brought up from 2015, the Hillary Clinton 621 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:15,210 campaign to the anti campaign meme with the with a star, a red 622 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:19,560 star and cash behind her. And at the time that was up, it's a 623 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,020 Jewish star and anti semitic and tropes and money and, and so she 624 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:28,620 brought that up, like, Okay, but what do you think it means? I 625 00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:32,280 mean, is Hillary Clinton Jewish? Or what is it, she doesn't 626 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,600 matter? It's all tropes. And it's scary. And she was really 627 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,540 afraid. So, so there are there is a significant amount of 628 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:46,470 people just from my own personal sample, who have said to me, and 629 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:50,820 I think people who have probably voted for Trump. If he doesn't, 630 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:53,850 when will this all go away? Because then I'm okay with it. 631 00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,050 John C. Dvorak: And that, that, of course, people don't 632 00:35:58,050 --> 00:36:01,170 understand what that means. You have to explain, will all this 633 00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:07,320 Adam Curry: go away, meaning, panic, black lives. All this go 634 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,850 away if Trump loses, and I think that that's kind of what's being 635 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:15,660 pushed on people. You will all turn out 636 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:17,730 John C. Dvorak: maybe some of you there's an element of that, 637 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:21,150 too. That's another good it's a good theory. Yeah. Well, all the 638 00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:22,770 media is promoting that idea. 639 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:27,090 Adam Curry: Yes, yes, definitely. And of course, the 640 00:36:27,090 --> 00:36:30,480 media throws in a little bit of Russian. Russian hackers are 641 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,950 stealing the vaccine for 642 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,490 John C. Dvorak: the problem is, yeah, the Russians not I noticed 643 00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:39,210 this, the Russian hackers stealing vaccine then never talk 644 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:40,830 about Chinese hackers. 645 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,140 Adam Curry: Ah, I'm glad you bring this up. I have a short 646 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:47,100 little Supercuts here. about Trump's war on pretty much 647 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:47,700 everything 648 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:50,820 Unknown: Donald Trump's war on elements of his own government 649 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:51,600 Trump's war on 650 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,350 absentee ballots Trump's war on Fauci President Trump's war on 651 00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:56,340 facemask Trump's 652 00:36:56,340 --> 00:37:00,690 war on World Order Donald Trump's war on women Trump's war 653 00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,570 on science Trump's war on children President Trump's war 654 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:07,020 on the truth Trump's war on reality Trump's war on 655 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:10,020 institutions Trump's war on his own executive branch Donald 656 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:11,910 Trump's war on the FBI Donald 657 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:14,700 Trump's war on the FBI Trump's war on Jeff Sessions, 658 00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:18,000 Trump's war on Obamacare, Trump's war on law enforcement 659 00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,880 Trump's war on the whistleblower Trump's war on the Freedom 660 00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:23,490 Caucus President Trump's war on the NFL Trump's war 661 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,280 on Amazon Donald Trump's war on Intel Trump's 662 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,380 war on the intelligence community Trump's war on 663 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:29,310 intelligence Donald 664 00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:32,340 Trump's war on immigrants Trump's war on immigrant labor 665 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:35,430 and President Trump's war on the press. President Trump's 666 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:37,200 unprecedented first year war in the media 667 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,100 Trump's war on the media or on the media war on the press war 668 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,920 on the media. Trump's war on the media coming up in our next 669 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,110 hour. Trump's war on the media continues Donald 670 00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:49,620 Trump's war on justice Trump's war on justice Donald Trump's 671 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:53,430 war on justice Donald Trump's war on justice Donald Trump's 672 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,230 war on justice Trump's 673 00:37:55,260 --> 00:38:03,270 Adam Curry: war on the justice system all right. Who did that 674 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:06,000 one that's super cuts, super cuts. You know, the YouTube guys 675 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640 super cuts. Yeah, that dynamite now what did we not hear in 676 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:15,720 that? There was no war on China. And that's remarkable. You don't 677 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,480 hear much about it. Because, you know, obviously, Fauci is 678 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,590 getting fired. Trump's horrible more people die, we're all gonna 679 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:25,560 die. 85 children are dead. We're all dying here. And it's crazy 680 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,000 and horrible and black lives matter. But nothing about China, 681 00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:33,870 I believe and the what you caught earlier, this 682 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:37,950 synchronized attacking of Fauci in multiple media properties on 683 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:41,610 the same topic with with the questions being reiterated, is 684 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:44,730 clearly coordinated. Well, there's another coordination 685 00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:50,130 going on is a full on offensive against China. And it is being 686 00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:56,280 rolled out across well, across all kinds of platforms with 687 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,070 again, you'll hear some of the same terminology some of the 688 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:05,520 same. Yeah, it's the same angle. So I don't know if if there's 689 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,340 someone new in the White House working on maybe Kayleigh 690 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:11,280 McEnany for all I know she might be the one that coordinates this 691 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,640 stuff. I don't know. But Bill Barr, by the 692 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,980 John C. Dvorak: way, there's a war on her gone. Oh, yeah. But 693 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:19,950 it's not Trump's war. No, Bill Barr, the 694 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:22,380 Adam Curry: Attorney General of the United States did a speech 695 00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:28,050 at the Gerald R. Ford Foundation, library foundation 696 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:32,070 or something. Maybe it's just the foundation. I guess. Bill 697 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:36,810 Barr didn't he joined the CIA during during that time. Ford 698 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,310 Nixon era kind of maybe he was around. So he's got buddies 699 00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:45,900 there. That's why he did this. But this was a this is a 700 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:50,580 political speech. But it's more of the kind of work that we are 701 00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:54,600 diplomats. This the language of diplomats is being spoken here. 702 00:39:54,690 --> 00:39:57,840 Of course zero coverage. I don't think anyone really played any 703 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,650 clips anywhere of this speech. But it was quite good. And there 704 00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:05,250 was a lot of clear messages in there that I think we should be 705 00:40:05,250 --> 00:40:08,640 aware of as it pertains to China. So here he is first 706 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:13,020 introducing his the general issues that the administration 707 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:13,890 has with China. I'm 708 00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:17,070 Unknown: privileged to speak here today about what may prove 709 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:22,440 to be the most important issue for our nation and the world in 710 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,570 the 21st century, and that is the United States response in 711 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:31,530 the global ambitions to the global ambitions of the Chinese 712 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:37,260 Communist Party, the CCP rules with an iron fist over one of 713 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:41,400 the great ancient civilizations of the world, it seeks to 714 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,080 leverage the immense power, productivity and ingenuity of 715 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,910 the Chinese people to overthrow the rule based international 716 00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:56,670 system. And to make the world safe for dictatorship. How the 717 00:40:56,670 --> 00:41:00,540 United States responds to this challenge will have historic 718 00:41:00,540 --> 00:41:04,980 implications, and will determine whether the United States and 719 00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:09,360 its liberal democratic allies will continue to shape their own 720 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,490 destiny, or whether the CCP and it's autocratic tributaries, 721 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:18,870 will continue to will control the future. 722 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,480 Adam Curry: So when he says they're breaking the rules based 723 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,290 international system that is synonymous with the liberal 724 00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:31,620 international economic order, which I think we've talked about 725 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:31,980 that, 726 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,010 John C. Dvorak: which is kind of, well, we had actually even 727 00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:39,360 had the the Joint Chief of Staff sky and Miley. Oh, right. Right. 728 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,720 Right beach, we had a speech about how it's set up and how 729 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,920 they deal with it and how they run it. And very blunt about it. 730 00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:51,120 And we also had Ray recently say that this there is going to be a 731 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,820 series of these speeches by different high end guys, 732 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:57,690 including Pompeo, I guess, will be next. Well, UnionPay has 733 00:41:57,690 --> 00:41:59,910 already done a number of speeches of anti Chinese 734 00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:02,250 speeches, this stuff has not been covered by anybody. 735 00:42:02,609 --> 00:42:04,319 Adam Curry: And you're nailing it because that is the next 736 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,849 clip, as Barr clearly shows this as a whole of government 737 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:10,859 initiative. Several weeks 738 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,860 Unknown: ago, the National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien 739 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:19,110 spoke about the CCPs ideology and global ambitions. He 740 00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:23,340 declared and I agree that the days of American passivity and 741 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:27,810 not naive naivete regarding knife to a public of China, 742 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:32,730 Adam Curry: why would he use the word naivete? An interesting 743 00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:33,420 choice. 744 00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:35,700 John C. Dvorak: What would what's the better word? 745 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:41,070 Adam Curry: I don't know. I mean, the corrupt? Flying, of 746 00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:44,820 course, is that corrupt is what he's implying. Well, I 747 00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:47,640 John C. Dvorak: mean, what he's implying is the naivete is that 748 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,030 we're just sitting around and the thumbs up our asses thinking 749 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:53,580 everything's gonna be fine if we just do what China says. 750 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:55,950 Adam Curry: Yes, that's why it's diplomatic language I would have 751 00:42:55,950 --> 00:42:58,470 preferred was sitting around with a thumbs up or SS or 752 00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:59,700 whistling Dixie 753 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,600 Unknown: that the days of American passivity and not naive 754 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:09,210 naivete regarding the People's Republic of China are over. And 755 00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:13,590 last week, the FBI director Chris rea described how the CCP 756 00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:18,030 pursues its ambitions through the nefarious and even illegal 757 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:23,760 conduct, including industrial espionage, theft, extortion, 758 00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:27,630 cyber attacks and malign influence activities. In the 759 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:32,610 coming days. You will hear from Secretary Mike Pompeo, who will 760 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,850 sum up what is at stake for the United States and the free 761 00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:41,220 world. Now, Chris rea told me that shortly after his speech 762 00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:45,420 last week, one of the leaders of the Chinese Communist Party 763 00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:51,930 pronounced that his speech was particularly disgusting. I told 764 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:56,790 him that I was going to end today to be despicable. But I'll 765 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:58,740 settle for a specially disgusting. 766 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,680 Adam Curry: I think the message is pretty clear when you're 767 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,640 saying that as the attorney general. And I depend I am 768 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,670 intending on being very disgusting towards China today. 769 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:13,950 This is this is bigger than than the coverage is received, in my 770 00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:14,730 opinion, oh, this 771 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:18,900 John C. Dvorak: is the lack of coverage of this by the media is 772 00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:22,950 shameful. But it just tells you that the media is all in. It's 773 00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:26,010 all in for China, they've been taken over and if they're not 774 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:28,410 trustworthy, if you want to believe everything you want to 775 00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:31,050 read the New York Times you might as it was reading, Chinese 776 00:44:31,050 --> 00:44:34,080 propaganda, saris that is 777 00:44:34,140 --> 00:44:36,810 Adam Curry: well Barr is going to take it to one more level 778 00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:41,190 here and he's going to imply a little bit more about the bring 779 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,980 it up a notch. He's going to crank it up a notch. Yes. And 780 00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:47,250 he's going to it's some kind of so he says two things. And he 781 00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:50,610 was also sent this whole of government approach I think he's 782 00:44:50,610 --> 00:44:55,020 mirroring and he would like the United States to do the same as 783 00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:56,760 China. While you'll hear General 784 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,970 Unknown: Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, shaping 785 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,010 Pang who has centralized power to a degree not seen since the 786 00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:10,590 dictatorship of Mao Zedong, now speaks openly of China moving 787 00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:14,520 closer to the center stage, building a socialism that is 788 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,900 superior to capitalism and replacing the American dream 789 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,830 with the Chinese solution. China is no longer hiding its 790 00:45:22,830 --> 00:45:26,610 strength, nor biding its time, from the perspective of its 791 00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:30,750 communist rulers. China's time has arrived, the People's 792 00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:34,500 Republic of China is now engaged in an economic 793 00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:39,960 Adam Curry: blitzkrieg. When you say the Chinese are involved in 794 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,500 it, no matter what blitzkrieg it is, you're basically calling 795 00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:47,010 them Nazis. I mean, there's a lot of different terms you could 796 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:49,710 have used but saying a blitzkrieg, which was although 797 00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:53,070 ultimately fatal for the Germans, it was quite 798 00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:58,350 destructive. So here's Barr saying, You guys are Nazis has 799 00:45:58,350 --> 00:45:58,980 arrived, 800 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,790 Unknown: the People's Republic of China is now engaged in an 801 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:08,100 economic blitzkrieg an aggressive, orchestrated whole 802 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,420 of government, indeed, whole of society campaign, to seize the 803 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:16,740 commanding heights of the global economy, and to surpass the 804 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:21,060 United States as the world's preeminent technological 805 00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:22,140 superpower. 806 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:25,980 Adam Curry: So it's these it's the whole of society. And I, 807 00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:30,090 it's my belief that Barr wants the united states also have a 808 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:34,680 whole of society response to what China is doing. As that 809 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,020 will come up later. I think this is one of these coordinated 810 00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:42,960 terms. But next, just to make it even more fun, he goes after 811 00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:47,640 what he will call the collaborators, which I'm pretty 812 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,470 sure it's also a call back to the collaborators with the Nazis 813 00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:56,970 in World War Two. Oh, for sure. Let's hear who they are. 814 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,110 Unknown: Well, too often, for the sake of short term profits. 815 00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:05,580 American companies have succumb to that influence, even at the 816 00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:10,470 expense of freedom and openness in the United States. Sadly, 817 00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:15,630 examples of American business bowing to China are legion. Take 818 00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:20,070 Hollywood, oh, Hollywood actors, producers and directors prides 819 00:47:20,070 --> 00:47:23,760 themselves on celebrating freedom and the human spirit. 820 00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:28,110 And every year at the Academy Awards, Americans are lectured 821 00:47:28,110 --> 00:47:32,610 about how this country falls short of Hollywood's ideals of 822 00:47:32,610 --> 00:47:37,380 social justice. But Hollywood now regularly censors its own 823 00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:41,490 movies to appease the Chinese Communist Party, the world's 824 00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:46,620 most powerful violator of human rights. This censorship infects 825 00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:50,730 not only the versions of movies that are released in China, but 826 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,750 also many others shown in the United States theaters to 827 00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:57,180 American audience. Whoa, you got 828 00:47:57,570 --> 00:47:58,290 slammed? 829 00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:03,600 Adam Curry: You wonder why the media is not interested in 830 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,120 covering this. But wait, But wait, there's more 831 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,110 collaborators, 832 00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:13,770 Unknown: Hollywood is far from alone and cow toweling to the 833 00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:19,110 PRC. big tech companies have also allowed themselves to 834 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:24,330 become pawns Apple Chinese influence in the year 2000, when 835 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,600 the United States normalized trade relations with China. 836 00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:32,220 President Clinton hailed the new century as one in which liberty 837 00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:36,480 will be spread by cell phone and cable modem. Instead, over the 838 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,750 course of the next decade, American companies such as 839 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:45,660 Cisco, how Chinese communist build the Great Firewall, the 840 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:49,590 world's most sophisticated system for Internet surveillance 841 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:53,940 and censorship. Over the years, corporations such as such as 842 00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:59,310 Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Apple, have shown themselves all 843 00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:03,750 too willing to collaborate with the CCP. For example, Apple 844 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:08,640 recently removed the news app courts from its app store in 845 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,910 China, after the Chinese government complained about the 846 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:17,520 coverage of Hong Kong democracy protests. Apple also removed the 847 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,940 apps for virtual private networks, which had allowed 848 00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:25,620 users to circumvent the Great Firewall and eliminated pro 849 00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:30,990 democracy songs from the Chinese music store. Meanwhile, the 850 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:34,980 company announced that it would be transferring some of its 851 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:39,900 iCloud data to servers in China despite concerns that the move 852 00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:44,520 would give the Communist Party easier access to emails, text 853 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,360 messages, and other user information stored in the 854 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,170 iCloud. 855 00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:52,560 Adam Curry: And it didn't stop there and went on to talk about 856 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,500 what Apple would and would not do to help law enforcement not 857 00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,230 that I agree with Bill Barr's idea of we should be able to 858 00:49:58,230 --> 00:50:02,460 have a warrant and break encryption But he's very clear 859 00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:06,960 on the collaborators, the collaborators, the NSB years. 860 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,550 bad actors in our country, I 861 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:13,560 John C. Dvorak: can see why the media is not covering this 862 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,680 because well, they're collaborators too. Well, here it 863 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,150 Adam Curry: comes this I think this next short piece is the 864 00:50:21,150 --> 00:50:24,900 warning shot to people at tech companies, people in Hollywood 865 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:26,940 and certainly people in the media, 866 00:50:26,970 --> 00:50:29,460 Unknown: America's corporate leaders might not think of 867 00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:32,460 themselves as lobbyists. You might think, for example, that 868 00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:36,240 cultivating a mutually beneficial relationship is just 869 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:41,880 part of guanxi as the system of influence influential social 870 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,230 networking, necessary to do business in the PRC, but you 871 00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:51,450 should be alert to how you might be used, and how your efforts on 872 00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:55,470 behalf of a foreign company or government could implicate the 873 00:50:55,470 --> 00:50:59,670 foreign Agents Registration Act. Fara does not prohibit any 874 00:50:59,670 --> 00:51:03,810 speech or conduct, but it does require those who were acting as 875 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,490 agents of foreign principles to publicly disclose that 876 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:13,290 relationship and their political or other similar activities by 877 00:51:13,290 --> 00:51:16,590 registering with the Justice Department, allowing the 878 00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:20,940 audience to take into account the origin of the speech when 879 00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:22,710 evaluating credibility. 880 00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:28,050 Adam Curry: I think that's a big Fu. Because the foreign agent 881 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,340 Registration Act is is that what got Manafort on Rikers Island? 882 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,810 It's like, okay, you didn't register properly, but you are 883 00:51:36,810 --> 00:51:40,590 lobbying and that can go for so many companies, so many media 884 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:45,120 people. Oh, yeah. And they know they should be registered, they 885 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,360 know they should be registered. And they're taking money because 886 00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:51,390 that's the thing if you take money, and then you say anything 887 00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:54,960 about you know, promoting, in this case, China, if you're not 888 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,060 registered, it's not illegal to do that. But if you're not 889 00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:02,640 registered, then you can get in trouble. See Paul Manafort. And 890 00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:07,080 then the final collaborator is easy to guess it's academia. 891 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,220 Unknown: The Chinese Communist Party also seeks to infiltrate, 892 00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:15,240 censor or CO opt American academic and research 893 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,710 institutions. For example, dozens of American Universities 894 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:23,850 host Chinese government funded Confucian institutes, 895 00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:27,780 Adam Curry: which it says confusion. I'm pretty sure it's 896 00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:31,890 Confucius, but the term confusion is correct if he's if 897 00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:35,850 it's describing them, but I just uh, I thought it was weird that 898 00:52:35,850 --> 00:52:39,060 he didn't say Confucius Institutes as that institute 899 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,200 know why he did that 900 00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:44,790 Unknown: he's government funded Confucian Institute's which have 901 00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:48,150 been accused of pressuring host universities to silence 902 00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:53,340 discussion, or cancel events on topics considered controversial 903 00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:58,350 by Beijing. Universities must stand up for each other, refuse 904 00:52:58,350 --> 00:53:02,520 to let the CCP dictate research efforts are suppress diverse 905 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,660 voices, support colleagues and students who wish to speak their 906 00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:12,090 minds. And consider whether any sacrifice of academic integrity 907 00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:18,300 or freedom is worth the price of appeasing the CCPs demands. In a 908 00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,350 globalized world. American corporations and universities 909 00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:26,820 alike may view themselves as global citizens rather than as 910 00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:30,870 American institutions. But they should remember that what 911 00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:34,320 allowed them to succeed in the first place was the American 912 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:40,020 free enterprise system, the rule of law and the security afforded 913 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:44,040 by America's economic, technological and military 914 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:44,820 strength. 915 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,760 Adam Curry: So with the Confucius Institutes, the whole 916 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,900 of government and hopeful whole of society approach of the Trump 917 00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:58,140 administration because we have FBI director, Ray, we've got 918 00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:01,710 Secretary of State Pompeo, I saw the Pompeo, Pompeo speech, 919 00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:05,280 nothing new. I mean, it's just really not as interesting. I 920 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,900 didn't think because Barr, but our friends there who are 921 00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:15,930 financed by what's this American thought leaders, it's the who 922 00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:21,270 are the Epoch Times. They're the anti CCP along go Falun Gong 923 00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:24,870 guys. Exactly. So they're in on this because you'll hear very 924 00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:30,000 similar type of messaging here from Rochelle Peterson, and she 925 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,260 is from the National Association of scholars, which could be a 926 00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:37,680 total front for something I didn't dive too deep in it, but 927 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,580 I did think her her a couple of clips here about Confucius 928 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:45,750 Institutes and how they work and where they are is interesting. 929 00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:49,290 So first, we'll explain what the Confucius Institute is. 930 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,530 Unknown: Confucius Institutes are Chinese government funded 931 00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:56,220 centers that are on American college campuses, as well as 932 00:54:56,220 --> 00:54:59,430 other college campuses around the world. These are basically 933 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:03,330 little no So the Chinese government on campus, teaching 934 00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:07,320 Chinese Communist Party approved propaganda packaged in 935 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,010 curriculum, using teachers that are vetted and selected by the 936 00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:14,790 Chinese government and paid by the Chinese government and using 937 00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:17,760 materials that are being sent over by the Chinese government. 938 00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:21,540 So they are little nodes of influence from the Chinese 939 00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:25,440 Communist Party. And they are basically infecting American 940 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,570 higher education and putting a quash on academic freedom and 941 00:55:31,410 --> 00:55:34,170 challenging the integrity of our schools. 942 00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:36,900 Adam Curry: And these are everywhere 943 00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:39,930 John C. Dvorak: I checked. Well, they're, yeah, they're kind of 944 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:42,180 everywhere, but they're not. They're not as everywhere as 945 00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:44,310 they were a few years ago. They're, they're shutting them 946 00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:46,200 down, left and right. A lot. 947 00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:49,830 Unknown: At the height there were 110 Confucius Institutes 948 00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:52,560 just in the United States, there were more than 1000 across the 949 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,780 world, and 500 Confucius classrooms at the K 12 level, 950 00:55:57,780 --> 00:56:01,080 mostly at high schools, but also at elementary schools, which is 951 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,020 really alarming when you think of Chinese Communist Party, 952 00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:08,040 selected teachers going into elementary schools and teaching 953 00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:11,550 our school aged children. So more than 100 Confucius 954 00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:14,730 Institutes, that number is going down now that Confucius 955 00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:17,340 Institutes have come to the forefront they're facing a 956 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:21,090 backlash, we've really woken up as a society to the risks that 957 00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:24,480 China is posing that Confucius Institutes in particular pose. 958 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:29,910 Right now there are 75 Confucius Institutes in operation in the 959 00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:34,560 United States. And all told since they launched in 2005, at 960 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,970 the University of Maryland, 45 Confucius Institutes have closed 961 00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:42,930 in the US, which is really a victory that I'm very happy to 962 00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:43,590 celebrate. 963 00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:45,270 Adam Curry: So both my stepdaughters went to 964 00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:48,720 universities that had Confucius Institutes University of Texas 965 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,200 and University of Arkansas, the University of Texas, they cut 966 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,680 their ties. So that's one of the one of the 45 that have been 967 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,490 shut down. Arkansas seems to be alive and well. So what are they 968 00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:01,470 doing? Watch for the keywords, 969 00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:05,340 Unknown: we've seen the United States, as a country and a lot 970 00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:08,970 of the rest of the world also just wake up to the realization 971 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,970 that China has been using a whole of government approach, 972 00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:14,730 sometimes even a whole of society approach towards 973 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,090 infiltrating the west towards trying to penetrate our 974 00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:23,130 institutions and work within them from inside to turn them in 975 00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:27,000 favor of China to turn them against our own values. And that 976 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,040 is exactly what's been happening with our colleges and 977 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,250 universities, with Confucius Institutes but also with the 978 00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:35,580 Chinese students and scholars association with the 1000 979 00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:39,990 talents plan with a number of prongs and approaches that the 980 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,750 Chinese government has taken towards our colleges and 981 00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:43,590 universities. 982 00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:49,980 Adam Curry: The most interesting part of this, I feel is it's 983 00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:54,060 probably analogous to how it's worked in, in research and other 984 00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:57,930 places, is how the money flows through these universities. And 985 00:57:57,930 --> 00:58:00,360 I think that's worth listening to this for 986 00:58:00,510 --> 00:58:03,480 Unknown: while the money flows from China to the university, 987 00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:09,000 that Han Bong will cover the operating costs. Usually, it's 988 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,880 $150,000 in grants per year, just for operating costs, the 989 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,760 teachers are paid directly by the Han bomb, then that money 990 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,680 doesn't even have to flow through the university. They're 991 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,470 getting their salaries straight from the Chinese government. And 992 00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:26,670 the Han bot is sending over free textbooks and other supplies 993 00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:29,820 that the Confucius Institute might need. The Han mom likes to 994 00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:34,380 advertise that universities put in 50% of the costs of the 995 00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:39,120 Confucius Institute. But if you look at that really closely and 996 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,810 break down where they're getting that, really what that means is 997 00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:46,080 the university is donating some office space and the use of some 998 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:51,390 classrooms and is having a professor or administrator add 999 00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:54,930 on few duties as the co director of the Confucius Institute. And 1000 00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:57,090 that's what makes this so attractive to colleges and 1001 00:58:57,090 --> 00:58:59,580 universities. They're essentially getting Chinese 1002 00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:03,060 classes provided at no cost to them. They have the opportunity 1003 00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:06,600 to offer credit to students who sign up for these classes charge 1004 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,530 students tuition for a class whose costs are being paid by 1005 00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:14,280 the Chinese government. It's a big money making initiative. 1006 00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:17,310 Once the university has a Confucius Institute. It 1007 00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:21,000 establishes a close relationship with the Chinese government by 1008 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,150 way of the Han Bong. Pretty soon you see the college president 1009 00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:28,680 going on speaking tours in China coming faded lavish dinners. 1010 00:59:29,310 --> 00:59:33,030 Pretty soon you see other professors making trips to 1011 00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:36,150 China, additional Chinese students enrolling at that 1012 00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:40,050 university. The the levers of money really start flowing once 1013 00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:42,900 a university gets the Confucius Institutes so it's not just the 1014 00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:46,770 money that the institute itself brings in. It's these host of 1015 00:59:46,770 --> 00:59:50,490 other benefits that come along once they establish that 1016 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:51,660 relationship. 1017 00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:53,670 Adam Curry: I think we should have our own Confucian 1018 00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:58,200 Institute. It comes with trips to China, lavish dinners and 1019 00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,970 like I kind of like that 1020 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,140 John C. Dvorak: We're drag up her alley, 1021 01:00:01,170 --> 01:00:03,150 Adam Curry: I'll provide a little bit of office space for 1022 01:00:03,150 --> 01:00:04,680 you. No problem. I got some here 1023 01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:06,690 John C. Dvorak: final some Chinese guy into the fifth 1024 01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:07,320 bedroom, their 1025 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,200 Adam Curry: final clip, of course, they're crap. By the 1026 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,710 way, when when they talk about an all a whole of society 1027 01:00:14,310 --> 01:00:19,110 approach, the way I see that is something that can't be done in 1028 01:00:19,110 --> 01:00:24,180 this case, remember when we were angry at the French, and we 1029 01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:28,350 renamed french fries, Freedom Fries. Yeah, that's a lot as far 1030 01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:32,880 as we go. That's the whole of society approach for America. I 1031 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,580 don't think there's any chance we're going to have any kind of 1032 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,860 kung fu kung fu food, instead of Chinese food or and it's just 1033 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:42,990 not gonna happen. It's everything's 1034 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:45,990 John C. Dvorak: nice. I mean, when you think about just the 1035 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,240 just Trump chiding the media with calling it the Kung flu, I 1036 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,880 think he did that two or three times he did and watching, 1037 01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:58,560 everybody gets bent out of shape defending the Chinese, and 1038 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,970 China, the CCP and the rest of it. It's just, it's like the I 1039 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:05,940 think it's one of these funny things where I think this is a 1040 01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:09,840 good point where you can start making the lists. Not like I 1041 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,380 want to make lists, but I do make lists. Yeah, you can use 1042 01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:16,530 it, you can already put together a list of people that are pretty 1043 01:01:16,530 --> 01:01:19,920 much on the Chinese side of things when it comes down to it. 1044 01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:24,660 And you can, it's the way we used to identify spooks, who 1045 01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:30,210 used to during some during that era, when Dianne Feinstein was 1046 01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:32,970 being spied on even though she was the head of the Intelligence 1047 01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:37,770 Committee at that time. Yeah. And they were and and and to 1048 01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:40,350 became a big deal with these these different reporters. 1049 01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:44,820 Richard angle being one of them. Yeah. Taking the side of the 1050 01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:48,420 CIA, oh, we shouldn't be looking at these documents anyway. Or 1051 01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:52,290 people that are saying stuff like immediate media, people 1052 01:01:52,290 --> 01:01:55,590 saying, Oh, you don't want to look at when you read it. It's 1053 01:01:56,070 --> 01:02:00,510 illegal. Yeah, if you're if you're a spy, if you're a signed 1054 01:02:00,510 --> 01:02:04,680 up, yes, you're supposed to look at WikiLeaks. 1055 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:09,630 Adam Curry: I think we should start to maintain some lists 1056 01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:10,140 actually. 1057 01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:12,600 John C. Dvorak: Well, that way you can when we when we do 1058 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:19,050 clips, we can say, Oh, this guy's like either a dupe or a 1059 01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:21,990 sudo CCP, 1060 01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:24,870 Adam Curry: a dupe or a stooge, one of the two. All right. Now, 1061 01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:28,950 the CCP, of course, is slippery, slippery mandates over there. So 1062 01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:33,540 they they are going to go through something that all 1063 01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:36,480 terrorists do not calling them terrorists, but kind of make a 1064 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,700 connection. They're rebranding, colleges 1065 01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:40,800 Unknown: and universities are closing down their Confucius 1066 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,240 Institutes in large numbers. But I'm not totally convinced that 1067 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,050 they have actually closed the institute's. I think there's a 1068 01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:52,110 lot of evidence that they are pretty much rebranding their 1069 01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:56,130 Institute's all the more so now that the Hon Bong, the Chinese 1070 01:02:56,130 --> 01:02:59,250 government agency that oversees Confucius Institutes is itself 1071 01:02:59,250 --> 01:03:02,520 going through a rebranding process. It's being renamed the 1072 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,970 Ministry of Education Center for language exchange and 1073 01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:09,570 cooperation. And it's actually spinning off the Confucius 1074 01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:13,290 Institutes to a separate organization, a new organization 1075 01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:16,470 called the Chinese International Education Foundation, that is 1076 01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:20,070 supposed to be a nonprofit. And this is the harm bonds attempt 1077 01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,460 to stymie the criticism that these are being run by the 1078 01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:26,520 Chinese government, I suspect Confucius Institutes will 1079 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,670 operate pretty much exactly the same as they have operated in 1080 01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:35,190 the past. But colleges and universities, I think are are 1081 01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:40,200 going to start rebranding their Confucius Institutes breaking up 1082 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,320 those programs and scattering them among newly created 1083 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,200 centers. I think this is something that we're going to 1084 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,370 have to watch very closely. As Confucius Institutes continue to 1085 01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:52,140 generate criticism. 1086 01:03:52,650 --> 01:03:55,230 Adam Curry: Yeah. And I'm sure there'll be some x was a young 1087 01:03:55,230 --> 01:03:59,460 1000 talents program. And apparently there's only dozens 1088 01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:02,400 of investigations right now. They're investigating NASA, 1089 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:07,110 they're investigating NIH, especially the NIH investigation 1090 01:04:07,110 --> 01:04:12,870 for corrupt researchers or research that has not been 1091 01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:16,410 disclosed or double dipping on the research. All this will come 1092 01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:17,220 up eventually. 1093 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,140 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's coming out. 1094 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,820 Adam Curry: And what and I guess 1095 01:04:21,450 --> 01:04:23,400 John C. Dvorak: none of Biden gets in Well, no. 1096 01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:30,330 Adam Curry: Not not mentioned much in regard to China. But 1097 01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:34,080 there's a lot of Silicon Valley money now going to India, taking 1098 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,380 away from China, I am just presuming or hedging, maybe as 1099 01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:45,060 as a just in case, China is also starting to attack India. And no 1100 01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:48,870 one's really talking about that, or at least not a lot in our 1101 01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:49,680 mainstream. 1102 01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:52,919 John C. Dvorak: So you can't get a lot of stuff to deconstruct. 1103 01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:55,080 Adam Curry: There's no clips. I mean, there's New York Times 1104 01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:00,090 article, how slanted will that be? Now, but they almost See 1105 01:05:00,090 --> 01:05:02,250 what happens there but it's pretty aggressive what's taking 1106 01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:09,240 that was taking place. pretty aggressive. And then the final 1107 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:14,040 thing I have this actually came over it's just a funny clip. 1108 01:05:14,430 --> 01:05:18,420 This is the guy Andrew Martin who's in Mar in in the UK not 1109 01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:21,600 Andrew Marr. But anyways last name is Mars Mars is talk show, 1110 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:27,720 and he has the ambassador to the UK the Chinese ambassador to the 1111 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:34,560 UK Liao jamones jamming on the show, and he wants the 1112 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,030 ambassador to explain the footage that everyone has now 1113 01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:43,380 probably seen the drone footage of what apparently is Uighur 1114 01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:47,610 prisoners who are blindfolded kneeled heads shaven, you know 1115 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:51,780 being herded onto trains. Did you see this footage? 1116 01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:53,550 John C. Dvorak: I did not. 1117 01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:57,870 Adam Curry: It's pretty it's pretty graphic. And it I guess 1118 01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:01,290 it's been verified that I don't know who did it or where it's 1119 01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:04,950 coming from. But he brought in the Chinese ambassador to the 1120 01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:07,530 UK. It's alright, you got to take a look at this footage and 1121 01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:11,010 tell me what's going on here. Now here's the guy who knows 1122 01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:14,490 that One wrong word will have his head cut off. 1123 01:06:14,790 --> 01:06:16,800 John C. Dvorak: Let's look at some very disturbing drone 1124 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,670 footage that's been widely shared around the world. This is 1125 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,590 almost certainly over northern China over shinjang Can you tell 1126 01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:30,930 us what is happening here? I cannot see. You know this. This 1127 01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:34,200 is not the first time you show me I still remember last year 1128 01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:38,040 you'll show me what is happening in Xinjiang in China is 1129 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,400 happening. Let me tell you this. Xinjiang Have you been to 1130 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,370 Xinjiang yourself? No, I never have you know, shinjang is 1131 01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:47,820 regarded as the most beautiful place in Xinjiang as a Chinese. 1132 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,720 You do not know how the Chinese ambassador though it is not. 1133 01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:54,570 That is not beautiful coverage, however, is it? You know? 1134 01:06:54,570 --> 01:06:58,650 Shinjang that is exactly what I'm going to tell you since the 1135 01:06:58,650 --> 01:07:03,330 1990s. Xinjiang has come of age and because of this 1000s of 1136 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,360 terrorist attacks were broken now that was 10 years ago. Can I 1137 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,310 ask you why people are kneeling blindfolded unshaven, this for 1138 01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:15,450 the hair trade obviously being led to trains in modern China 1139 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,020 why what what is going on there? I do not know why you get this 1140 01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,650 videotape. You know, sometimes you have a chance to meet your 1141 01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:26,940 transfer over prisons and the prisoners, you know, in any 1142 01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:31,500 country. But just what is happening here, Ambassador, I do 1143 01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:36,420 not know why did you get this thing going around? been 1144 01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,540 authenticated by Western intelligence agencies and by 1145 01:07:39,540 --> 01:07:46,380 Australian experts who say these are Weijia people that attended 1146 01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:51,570 is the sea should learn how to say look so called Western 1147 01:07:51,570 --> 01:07:55,680 intelligence, keeping up make this a force acquisition. Again, 1148 01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:01,050 China is 1 million more vigor has been persecuted. You know 1149 01:08:01,050 --> 01:08:06,750 how big how many population Xinjiang has? It's just about 40 1150 01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:10,260 years ago, it's a four or 5 million. Now. It's 11 million 1151 01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:15,090 people and people say, you know, we impose we have ethnic 1152 01:08:15,090 --> 01:08:19,770 cleansing, but the population has doubled in the 40 years. I'm 1153 01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:22,110 so sorry to interrupt, but according to your own local 1154 01:08:22,110 --> 01:08:25,200 government statistics, the population growth in Uighur 1155 01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:30,150 jurisdictions in that area has fallen by 84% in 2015 and 1156 01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:37,260 2018 84% That's not the right speaker God's call me I give you 1157 01:08:37,260 --> 01:08:41,850 this If tager as a Chinese ambassador, this is a very oh oh 1158 01:08:41,850 --> 01:08:48,090 okay and past 40 years, Luca population increase the 1159 01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:54,000 population in Xinjiang increase to double the population doubled 1160 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,750 so this is no so called the restriction of the population 1161 01:08:57,750 --> 01:09:01,590 there's no so called the false question and so on. 1162 01:09:01,950 --> 01:09:14,250 Why are you laughing? Shut up Shut up Wow, man, poor guy. Bam, 1163 01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:17,400 Bush they would do they do the BBC likes to do this their style 1164 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,440 of journalism. We never do something like that was too 1165 01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:19,950 rude. 1166 01:09:21,569 --> 01:09:23,159 Adam Curry: No, we tried to ambush Fauci. 1167 01:09:23,790 --> 01:09:28,410 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we keep asking the same question. Over 1168 01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:29,130 screws out 1169 01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:33,420 Adam Curry: over and over and over again. Exactly. Oh, my 1170 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:37,800 goodness. Okay. Now that's kind of what I have on China. There's 1171 01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,490 still asshole as far as I'm concerned. And we're at war we 1172 01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:44,310 are definitely looking at. So we just heard about all that 1173 01:09:44,310 --> 01:09:48,300 integration. They've snuck up on us, man, it's been at least 20 1174 01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:52,290 years, if not 30 years in the making. The we do need a whole 1175 01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:53,640 of society approach. 1176 01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:57,330 John C. Dvorak: Well, not unless people start paying attention 1177 01:09:57,330 --> 01:10:00,360 and it would aid without the media and that's all It's time 1178 01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,260 hounding Trump trying to get Joe Biden to be president and put 1179 01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:07,470 China back in charge. It's not going to happen. Yeah, we gotta 1180 01:10:07,470 --> 01:10:10,440 start actually do need the media for this. We're going to have to 1181 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,600 Adam Curry: start marching journalists out or something. 1182 01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:16,890 Yeah, we have to shame them publicly when they've been in 1183 01:10:16,890 --> 01:10:22,350 cahoots. Well, but notice Barr didn't say the media was only 1184 01:10:22,380 --> 01:10:27,300 Hollywood tech in academia. Could the media be next? Could 1185 01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:28,200 they be on deck? 1186 01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,100 John C. Dvorak: Well, a lot of people have mon deck. 1187 01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:39,660 Adam Curry: We do. Yes. That's why we're the best podcast in 1188 01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:40,710 the universe. And with 1189 01:10:40,769 --> 01:10:43,919 John C. Dvorak: that, deciding the word podcast I'd like to 1190 01:10:43,919 --> 01:10:44,939 thank you for your courage to 1191 01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:47,670 Adam Curry: say the morning to you the man who put the C in the 1192 01:10:47,670 --> 01:10:51,600 Confucian Institute, John C. Dvorak 1193 01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:53,970 John C. Dvorak: Lynam Good morning to you Mr. Adam curry 1194 01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:58,050 also in the morning all boots on the ground feet in the air subs 1195 01:10:58,050 --> 01:11:00,090 in the water and all the dangerous nights out there. 1196 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,490 Adam Curry: Yes, in the morning to our trolls in the troll room 1197 01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:05,850 trustee is always handing me one liners. I love it. Let us count 1198 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:10,800 1825 But 100 lower than I'd like to see him but thank you for 1199 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,810 being there trolls if you're wondering how you can become a 1200 01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:15,990 troll. Well, if you have to wonder Don't worry, don't worry, 1201 01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:21,390 you're you're you are one go to no agenda stream.com You can log 1202 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:25,590 in there to the chat room and listen to the 24/7 stream which 1203 01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:29,220 has a lot of live shows. But also podcast but that everything 1204 01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:31,800 kind of runs in tandem so you can sit there troll along with 1205 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,040 each other there's always someone in there and ask Doug 1206 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,400 for an invite to no agenda social.com our federated 1207 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,920 federated What do I call it social network? Which you're on? 1208 01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:46,320 You are actively posting there. 1209 01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:49,290 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm gonna probably stop posting if I keep 1210 01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:54,630 getting harassed by by jerks that are in in that chat room. 1211 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,100 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn't know you got harassed who was a 1212 01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:00,420 jerk to you this woman 1213 01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,090 John C. Dvorak: already I blocked the two guys two guys. I 1214 01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:07,080 mentioned their names by name I said I blocked them both. What 1215 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,680 did they do? Oh, it just be being argumentative. You know? 1216 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,570 Like, oh, no, actually guys, Trump's a bass Dang. Did just to 1217 01:12:15,570 --> 01:12:18,120 kind of just aren't being argumentative about number of 1218 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,790 Yeah, it's not going down to we're all gonna die of COVID 1219 01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:30,150 Nice. I would the charts show. Bad well, that guy those guys, 1220 01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:32,820 Adam Curry: so if you want a piece of that action, sign up 1221 01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:35,340 for no gender social.com So 1222 01:12:35,340 --> 01:12:37,050 John C. Dvorak: I pitched him on. I had a bunch I said this is 1223 01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:40,440 gonna be coming like Reddit. And so everyone comes in. Oh, no, 1224 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:44,550 no, no, like red. Red is bad. Yeah. 1225 01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,480 Adam Curry: Big in the morning to Jordan 33 who brought us the 1226 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:53,400 artwork for episode 12 160. The title of that was pre decisional 1227 01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:56,190 which is where the stim force stimulus package is at this 1228 01:12:56,190 --> 01:13:00,120 moment. It's pre decisional by the way, spoke to the the former 1229 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:06,000 New York banker he says the only thing that's that is stopping 1230 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,800 the fourth package is how much the states are going to get. 1231 01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:17,010 Because the states are in such dire straits with all of the 1232 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,280 pensions and and health care for 1233 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,080 John C. Dvorak: all Yeah, government workers for the 1234 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,570 teacher that'd be the bond kalasha we've been predicting 1235 01:13:24,570 --> 01:13:25,950 for the last decade well, 1236 01:13:26,430 --> 01:13:28,620 Adam Curry: and I said so that's the bond collapse is not going 1237 01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,320 to happen. They're going to pump so much money into the states. 1238 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,220 That won't be funny. 1239 01:13:32,490 --> 01:13:35,910 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I that's apparently he's right. Is the 1240 01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:39,000 bond collapse. Does it look like it's gonna happen? Oh, by the 1241 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,780 way back to the the no agenda chatroom. I the thing that bugs 1242 01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:45,930 me is when when it goes like when somebody goes like this. I 1243 01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:51,330 used to listen to the show until then they have some example of 1244 01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:54,690 something they didn't like. But that way they never listen to 1245 01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:55,590 the show to begin with. 1246 01:13:55,620 --> 01:13:57,900 Adam Curry: Wait a minute, there's people on no agenda 1247 01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:02,880 social who say I used to listen to the show until Yeah, now 1248 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,000 that's totally Reddit. That's totally the reddit people who 1249 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,220 are in there which is fine, which is fine. 1250 01:14:08,730 --> 01:14:09,900 John C. Dvorak: No, they have to be blocked 1251 01:14:12,210 --> 01:14:13,800 Adam Curry: or blocked individually. Yeah, you can do 1252 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,600 whatever you want absolute that's the whole point. 1253 01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:18,090 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm gonna put a block list together I'm 1254 01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:19,860 gonna advise everyone to block these people. 1255 01:14:19,950 --> 01:14:23,070 Adam Curry: But okay, get rid of oh, now you're talking I would 1256 01:14:23,070 --> 01:14:26,280 like I enjoy having you in no agenda social so 1257 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,490 John C. Dvorak: I won't be there long as he's read it people take 1258 01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:29,820 it over. 1259 01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:33,270 Adam Curry: Okay, well work on it. I'm sorry. I don't know what 1260 01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:38,850 to say. Now thanking the for the hard work Jordan 33 the as I 1261 01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:42,840 said pre decisional episode 1260 This was one that popped it was 1262 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,840 the bed I don't know what were other things but nothing really 1263 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,480 came together into something cohesive. This was the orange 1264 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,330 MAN bad Nike t shirt with 33 as the 1265 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,080 John C. Dvorak: black became really good stand out. Yeah. 1266 01:14:56,670 --> 01:14:59,970 Adam Curry: And the reason for the orange MAN bad is now that 1267 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,210 The sports teams can put their own social justice slogan on 1268 01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:04,620 instead of their name. 1269 01:15:04,770 --> 01:15:07,800 John C. Dvorak: Some basketball player has got to put that on 1270 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:08,070 there. 1271 01:15:08,910 --> 01:15:12,750 Adam Curry: I hope so. Yeah, of course, of course the beautiful, 1272 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,950 the beautiful. Hey, I just wanted to read a little thing at 1273 01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:19,800 home a second I had something really exciting just as we're 1274 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,180 talking about value for value and the show. One of our 1275 01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:27,900 producers let me see find I go I cannot name and you'll you'll 1276 01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:32,730 know why in a second. I draw comics for DC Comics, and been 1277 01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:36,600 working on a huge Batman Joker series coming out in August. The 1278 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,330 book is a huge deal for DC and they're betting this will be 1279 01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:41,850 their biggest seller of the year I ended up drawing a bunch of 1280 01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:45,390 different variant covers, which are more rare and sold in 1281 01:15:45,390 --> 01:15:49,020 certain stores. I don't know anything about this. I wanted to 1282 01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:52,320 show you this one which I will not post of course, featuring 1283 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,500 the Joker and a bomb with the magic number on the clock face. 1284 01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:58,560 I did that specifically to honor the show and also to see if 1285 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,050 anything happens when I put that out on the cover of the book. 1286 01:16:01,050 --> 01:16:05,100 Maybe the Illuminati will contact me within. Within the 1287 01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:08,250 three issue series. I've put a bunch of different hidden no 1288 01:16:08,250 --> 01:16:11,220 agenda, Easter eggs mostly in the form of graffiti on the 1289 01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:15,420 walls of Gotham's CD backstreets. Anyways, I'm a big 1290 01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:18,390 fan thought you might enjoy. I'm working on donating soon. This 1291 01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:20,550 is this is value right here man to be. 1292 01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:21,690 John C. Dvorak: Did I get a copy of 1293 01:16:21,690 --> 01:16:23,340 Adam Curry: this? This email? No. 1294 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,300 John C. Dvorak: No, thanks for nothing. Comic Book Guy. 1295 01:16:27,330 --> 01:16:28,830 Adam Curry: No, I'm gonna send it to you. I'm gonna send you 1296 01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:31,050 I'm gonna forward you the Yeah, I 1297 01:16:31,050 --> 01:16:34,020 John C. Dvorak: went to Okay. I want an autographed copy of one 1298 01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:35,790 of these covers. Me too. 1299 01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:40,080 Adam Curry: That this is how I mean, I'm not a comic book guy. 1300 01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:42,930 But I know that comic book people kind of get dulled GD 1301 01:16:42,930 --> 01:16:45,060 about stuff like this. Particularly I 1302 01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:48,539 John C. Dvorak: want to mention. Okay, yeah, I agree here. You're 1303 01:16:48,539 --> 01:16:51,269 totally right. I just want to mention another one. I 1304 01:16:51,269 --> 01:16:54,149 mentioned. I use the Dan McCall piece for the newsletter. 1305 01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:56,610 Adam Curry: Damn. Oh, that's right. And that was a good 1306 01:16:56,610 --> 01:16:59,040 piece. What was that again? I remember seeing it going. Oh, 1307 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,340 that was a woman with a man. Yeah. Oh, it was that was a 1308 01:17:02,340 --> 01:17:03,510 dynamite piece. 1309 01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:06,930 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she he did a couple of he did the one with 1310 01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:12,000 the trump the Trump in that kind of 60s lettering. Oh, wait, 1311 01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:17,160 isn't that? I thought that was? That was a call. I'm gonna call 1312 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,660 Okay. All right. He doesn't do a lot. He's new. He's kind of new. 1313 01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:22,590 I don't know who he is. 1314 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:26,340 Adam Curry: Well, it's beautiful. We appreciate it. No 1315 01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:30,480 agenda. Our generator.com is just one of those many, many 1316 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:34,890 great producer initiatives that I'm sorry, what 1317 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,640 John C. Dvorak: I should say McCall did. He did one piece 1318 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,310 that is just every time I see I just looked at this is where he 1319 01:17:41,310 --> 01:17:45,000 only has about eight pieces he's submitted. But he did a piece 1320 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,180 where they had Cleveland Indian that big smiling dumb look and 1321 01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:51,810 Indian that's the mascot for the Cleveland Indians. Baseball team 1322 01:17:51,810 --> 01:17:57,810 is on the hat. Yeah, called Chief Wahoo. His name is he did 1323 01:17:57,810 --> 01:18:05,550 the same chief only as Elizabeth Warren. I think it's beautiful. 1324 01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:05,580 I 1325 01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:07,440 Adam Curry: think I made a mistake. Or there's something 1326 01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,470 wrong in the in the credits, which I thought I'd fixed. I 1327 01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:14,730 think it was Darren O'Neal who did the art it wasn't Jordan 33. 1328 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,780 Yeah, I'm sorry. It was Darren O'Neal was why is it saying 1329 01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:22,890 here? Yeah. No, Neil. Yeah, but I just refreshed the I guess it 1330 01:18:22,890 --> 01:18:26,310 was stuck in there. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Darren. It was 1331 01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,860 John C. Dvorak: okay. Louise made him sweat for a good five 1332 01:18:28,860 --> 01:18:32,130 minutes. He is seething. I know it was seething. 1333 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,950 Adam Curry: Well, eventually the troll room almost reached out 1334 01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:39,420 and punch me in the face. Like, why is the troll room scrolling 1335 01:18:39,420 --> 01:18:42,930 so fast? Oh, I see what's going on. Thank you. And 1336 01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:45,450 John C. Dvorak: by the way, it wasn't it wasn't McCall. Who did 1337 01:18:45,450 --> 01:18:49,560 the it was Jordan 33. Yeah, was your injury called did the 1338 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,490 football helmet with the with the Cleveland unicorns on 1339 01:18:53,490 --> 01:18:56,190 Adam Curry: it? Oh, okay. So what we've established is we 1340 01:18:56,670 --> 01:19:03,480 don't know what we're doing. And with that, we'd like to thank 1341 01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:06,330 our executive producers and Associate Executive Producer for 1342 01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:08,760 episode 1261. 1343 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,330 John C. Dvorak: Well, you know, artists appreciate being chatted 1344 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:16,920 up. I'm sure they don't like being ignored. No, of 1345 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,730 Adam Curry: course not. 1346 01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:21,240 John C. Dvorak: And neither does Tony Cabrera. Ah, he doesn't 1347 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,520 like being ignored. And he's at the top of our list with a 1348 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:31,170 donation of 1100 $1,194.46 which is beyond a show number 1349 01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:34,230 donation. Here's your latest share. I didn't know this 1350 01:19:34,230 --> 01:19:38,430 because it's the latest share that no agenda shot profits. Yay 1351 01:19:38,460 --> 01:19:41,340 to after midnight here and so I'll keep it short. Adam expects 1352 01:19:41,340 --> 01:19:45,210 a renewed supply of neck gator soon to help you avoid stinky 1353 01:19:45,210 --> 01:19:48,900 masks syndrome. And John Be on the lookout for your own no 1354 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:51,900 agenda, neck gator as well. Good. I'll wear it when I get 1355 01:19:51,900 --> 01:19:55,830 it. Dealers tour choice, jingle and karma please. 1356 01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:58,110 Adam Curry: So for those of you who are new to the show, no 1357 01:19:58,110 --> 01:20:02,730 agenda shop.com is They're not owned or managed or controlled 1358 01:20:02,730 --> 01:20:08,490 or operated by us, or any no agenda entity, but we have a 1359 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:13,830 cool deal where they use art from the Art Generator. Then 1360 01:20:14,190 --> 01:20:15,990 they coordinate with the artists, the artists gets a 1361 01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:22,470 third of, I guess, whatever comes in, the show gets a third 1362 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:27,480 in aggregate. Here we go. And, and somehow Tony Cabrera and his 1363 01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:30,990 merry band of elves that no agenda shop can survive on their 1364 01:20:30,990 --> 01:20:34,320 third and it's highly appreciated. And Tony, would you 1365 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:40,830 do me a favor and send me an email? Because Rogen wants some 1366 01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:43,380 gators. And so I'll give you his address. You can send those 1367 01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,340 directly to him. And we've obviously he wants a random just 1368 01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:51,390 some random random thing. What do you what would you like for a 1369 01:20:51,390 --> 01:20:52,200 random thing? 1370 01:20:53,460 --> 01:20:56,220 John C. Dvorak: I like to hear said in a circle until a secret. 1371 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:00,180 Adam Curry: Of course, she asked for one I don't have 1372 01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:03,240 Unknown: you asked. Yeah, 1373 01:21:03,269 --> 01:21:04,859 Adam Curry: I did ask. Here we go. 1374 01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:07,590 Unknown: Oh, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a 1375 01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:11,550 competitive atmosphere. But we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug 1376 01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:12,540 and share a secret. 1377 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,930 You've got karma. 1378 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,720 Adam Curry: Now for anonymous, who comes in from Augsburg 1379 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:26,520 Deutschland? Hello, Deutschland against has a very long note 1380 01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:30,930 about the CCP. And let me see what I can get out of this. I 1381 01:21:30,930 --> 01:21:33,420 don't think we have to read the whole thing. John and Anna, 1382 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:35,400 please keep me anonymous. While I give you some perspectives on 1383 01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,240 China. I'm a German based in Tokyo. Whenever I want to know 1384 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:44,160 about China, I love speaking to Germans who are in Japan. But he 1385 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,430 says I think I have the right to call out crimes against humanity 1386 01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:51,150 when I see them. Well, yes, China's new Hong Kong security 1387 01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:53,610 law targets not only people in Hong Kong or Chinese people, but 1388 01:21:53,610 --> 01:21:56,490 all people in the entire world. Yes, I think that's pretty well 1389 01:21:56,490 --> 01:22:00,240 established now that even if you say something bad outside of 1390 01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,510 China, if you stepped foot on Chinese territory, which could 1391 01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:07,470 include Hong Kong, you could be arrested and thrown in the 1392 01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:10,920 Gulag. If the Chinese have their way their territorial limits of 1393 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,170 enforcement of temporary nuisance in the long run, they 1394 01:22:13,170 --> 01:22:17,250 want to establish Westphalian system of sovereign nation 1395 01:22:17,250 --> 01:22:20,220 states. I've heard this term. Do you know what that means? The 1396 01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:21,720 Westphalian system? 1397 01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:28,350 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it is refers to refers to the system 1398 01:22:28,350 --> 01:22:33,960 that first started developing in Germany in his early pre 1399 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,100 democracy, it's I know it's a historical term, you can look it 1400 01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:42,750 up. Okay, but it's it's a brutes of everything is a root of 1401 01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:45,780 modern democracy. Okay, well, that makes sense 1402 01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:51,090 Adam Curry: because he says, more generally, all people 1403 01:22:51,450 --> 01:22:54,570 calling for one world government are working against the 1404 01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:57,360 Westphalian system, which is right now it came to working in 1405 01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:02,460 China's interest. Well, surprise, surprise. If Democrats 1406 01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:05,250 and other leftists are calling for unity, they may do it for 1407 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:08,010 other reasons, but it has the same effects. Yes, that's 1408 01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:11,940 certainly a political viewpoint I think is correct. With China, 1409 01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:14,940 the CCP is the actual problem, not the Chinese people. I 1410 01:23:14,940 --> 01:23:18,240 disagree there. I used to think that to this problem, this 90 1411 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:24,600 million Chinese are a member of the CCP. That's your whole of 1412 01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:29,850 society approach. And all of society has got to stand up 1413 01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:33,300 against that. And the Chinese people, I have no specific 1414 01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:36,810 problem. I'm generalizing, but they're pretty rude. And they 1415 01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:40,470 think all the spaces there's so I'm not bigoted. I'm just 1416 01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:44,610 against them. That's not racist, is it? I can just be against 1417 01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:47,250 like, it seems like it's race from trying not to be racist, 1418 01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:50,370 but it's hard. Please support the people of Chinese origin 1419 01:23:50,370 --> 01:23:53,520 like the guys from New Tang Dynasty network. The world needs 1420 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,830 these the CCP is the closest thing that can wreak massive 1421 01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:59,010 Havoc worldwide and deserves to be called Evil so it is indeed 1422 01:23:59,010 --> 01:24:01,860 the enemy the West and its allies can be comfortable with 1423 01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:04,920 well then we'll be the only people yelling in the darkness 1424 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,100 of podcasting my friend but here we are, please make sure they're 1425 01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:11,940 gracious and Saki at the roundtable now he's not on the 1426 01:24:11,940 --> 01:24:15,630 list for knighting so I mean I I've highlighted and we could 1427 01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:19,980 just make him sir anonymous as well because there's no I mean, 1428 01:24:19,980 --> 01:24:22,500 I don't know what to do here. It's obviously an instant 1429 01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:24,690 internet situation. Yeah, 1430 01:24:24,810 --> 01:24:26,760 John C. Dvorak: so that will just do what they do. I think we 1431 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,320 just put it into bands 1432 01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:31,500 Adam Curry: telling the bands until we hear what to what what 1433 01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:32,220 are you asking for 1434 01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:33,990 John C. Dvorak: it? I would that's my recommendation. 1435 01:24:34,860 --> 01:24:37,410 Adam Curry: Okay, we will wait for that. In the meantime we 1436 01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:40,470 will give you a big China's asked Oh, Donald Trump don't 1437 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:43,170 trust China China is as home there you go. 1438 01:24:45,330 --> 01:24:52,350 John C. Dvorak: All right. So I have a Yeah. Ah, cheese, right. 1439 01:24:52,650 --> 01:24:59,010 Okay, this is this next one is actually $100 donation that I 1440 01:24:59,010 --> 01:25:04,050 look back on the notice sent to, to Eric and I is it's 100 it's 1441 01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:05,790 not each not on this list for here. 1442 01:25:06,630 --> 01:25:09,420 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. What am I am I do I need to take any 1443 01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:10,440 action? What's going on? 1444 01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:14,130 John C. Dvorak: She takes you need. You need to take some 1445 01:25:14,130 --> 01:25:18,330 action. What do I need to do? It's the $1,000 isn't is not 1446 01:25:18,330 --> 01:25:19,410 1000 it's 100 1447 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:28,350 Adam Curry: from Brandon. Yeah. Nice try. Okay. All right. So 1448 01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:30,840 then we move on to Michael Thomas or do you want to read 1449 01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:32,670 Brandon's notes since we're here anyway? 1450 01:25:32,700 --> 01:25:36,330 John C. Dvorak: No I Brandon's note is that it may be later in 1451 01:25:36,330 --> 01:25:41,280 the show because not for the segment. It's my screw up. I 1452 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,090 went back to look to note I sent to Erica the checks, and I put a 1453 01:25:45,090 --> 01:25:46,500 1000s that have 100 1454 01:25:46,589 --> 01:25:48,959 Adam Curry: Oh my goodness. Wishful thinking though. 1455 01:25:49,589 --> 01:25:52,799 John C. Dvorak: So this, you can bet that she couldn't be revised 1456 01:25:52,829 --> 01:25:54,149 by $900 1457 01:25:54,150 --> 01:25:56,310 Adam Curry: You can bet that Brandon was sitting there going 1458 01:25:56,340 --> 01:26:04,680 What was my pay pal? Let me check who had slipped zero 1459 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:09,540 behind my 100 What's going on with those guys? Are you also in 1460 01:26:09,540 --> 01:26:12,480 charge? Are you in charge of Corona COVID testing in 1461 01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:14,940 California by any chance because you're perfect for it? 1462 01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:20,190 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. We have 10 times as many cases as tests. 1463 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:24,090 All right, Michael Thomas is on the list was from Fort Wayne, 1464 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:30,750 Indiana. 355 Adams appearance on the Tom Woods show where I high 1465 01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:36,120 minded me donated to the best podcast this Adam thank you for 1466 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,840 going on that show. Yes. And donated the best podcast for far 1467 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,260 too long. I don't know if it's how you two met but I do 1468 01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:46,380 remember emailing Adam about Tom's request for help with his 1469 01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:50,940 podcast audio years ago I made my last donation in fact, 1470 01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:53,490 Adam Curry: we talked about that on the show and I remembered it 1471 01:26:53,490 --> 01:26:54,150 quite well. I 1472 01:26:54,150 --> 01:26:55,680 Unknown: remembered that he's to help him out. I 1473 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,410 Adam Curry: did. Give him a few pointers you know pug father 1474 01:26:58,410 --> 01:26:59,040 like stuff. 1475 01:27:00,180 --> 01:27:02,910 John C. Dvorak: Forgive me pod father, five citizen 355 weeks 1476 01:27:02,910 --> 01:27:05,820 it's my last donation. This dollar for each week I've been a 1477 01:27:05,820 --> 01:27:09,780 douche does not satisfy my debt for the value I've received all 1478 01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:12,750 these years. But it takes I take a promise that I will settle my 1479 01:27:12,750 --> 01:27:16,020 outstanding obligations and join the roundtable soon. Thank you 1480 01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:19,170 both for all you do to keep my amygdala right sized and thank 1481 01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:22,650 you for the Dames and the Knights who have stayed your 1482 01:27:22,650 --> 01:27:27,150 exit strategy all these years without my help. Please de 1483 01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:27,810 douche me. 1484 01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:31,650 Unknown: You've been de deuced 1485 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:36,720 John C. Dvorak: and He says he'd like Pelosi jobs. I'm sorry. A 1486 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,810 Trump Pelosi jobs karma with a goat twist to support his 1487 01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:42,930 efforts at turning your hobby his hobby into a productive 1488 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:45,150 enterprise jobs jobs 1489 01:27:45,210 --> 01:27:49,290 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs 1490 01:27:58,590 --> 01:28:02,190 John C. Dvorak: Why don't you look at read me the Kyle Davis 1491 01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:07,050 three or three $3.34 from Lake Stevens Washington. Okay, well, 1492 01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:11,940 I go look up Mark min Sik in Arvada, Colorado and see if he 1493 01:28:11,940 --> 01:28:13,740 actually does have an email. All right. 1494 01:28:14,370 --> 01:28:18,510 Adam Curry: Kyle Davis Lake Stevens Washington. Three, three 1495 01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:22,920 3.34 He says he's tossing in his own extra pennies. So we saw he 1496 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,700 says so you guys can keep your hard earned money to push me to 1497 01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:29,820 knighthood. Finally after making a few other donations back in 1498 01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:32,940 April around my birthday I'd like to now be known as Sir 22 1499 01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:37,470 of the p n ATNW. That will be the Pacific Northwest request 1500 01:28:37,470 --> 01:28:40,920 some Corona at the table I hear it has antibodies for the Runa 1501 01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:47,220 jingles okay. He wants Obama stuttering if if if if I think I 1502 01:28:47,220 --> 01:28:52,290 have that one somewhere Trump aroused oh it's one of those 1503 01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:56,160 days okay Trump arouse Let me guess Biden whole load Yeah, 1504 01:28:56,220 --> 01:29:01,620 Biden whole load and some jobs karma for my co workers at 1505 01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:04,110 Boeing who are getting laid off this month and the end of the 1506 01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:08,520 next month. He actually sent me a longer email. It's really bad 1507 01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:12,540 the 747 production is entirely stopped. I think they're only 1508 01:29:12,540 --> 01:29:17,310 planning on making seven 730 sevens. I mean, what's going to 1509 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:25,440 2020 is a shoe huge cut just a chasm has been created in 1510 01:29:25,470 --> 01:29:30,210 aviation is going to be very very very bad people aren't 1511 01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:33,240 going to want to fly that much anymore. And it's going to be 1512 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,330 bad so yes, of course we have some jobs karma for you. 1513 01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:42,390 Unknown: If we if we fall for it was hard to get it aroused and 1514 01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:45,090 it is hard to get it aroused but we got it arrest. 1515 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,740 I'm going to give you the whole load 1516 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,370 jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. 1517 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,840 Let's vote for job karma. 1518 01:29:57,870 --> 01:30:01,950 John C. Dvorak: Mark men sick in Arvada. came in at 348 16 hours 1519 01:30:01,950 --> 01:30:08,100 a night and he did send an email in which I will refer to with 1520 01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:12,690 this donation I joined the roundtable nice of esteemed 1521 01:30:12,690 --> 01:30:16,050 Damon nice accounting attached a truly humbling honor I would 1522 01:30:16,050 --> 01:30:20,310 like to be dubbed sir mile high mark okay I don't know if he's 1523 01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:22,980 listed as that Mile Hi Marcus I 1524 01:30:22,980 --> 01:30:24,510 Adam Curry: have it on my notes as such. 1525 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,720 John C. Dvorak: There you go. It pleased to cater of the 1526 01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:32,490 roundtable I'd appreciate it medium rare ribeye and a good 1527 01:30:32,490 --> 01:30:39,210 night Imperial red IPA at the feast of the dames a nice Okay, 1528 01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:39,840 so he's got 1529 01:30:40,050 --> 01:30:43,650 Adam Curry: got the medium red ribeye and goodnight Imperial 1530 01:30:43,650 --> 01:30:48,150 IPA. It has bred a red periodic red red and 1531 01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:52,230 John C. Dvorak: then he wants some jangles sorry about that. 1532 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:55,740 But they're Folmer maybe he's got more to write so I'm gonna 1533 01:30:55,740 --> 01:30:59,460 give you the jingle isn't it? Yeah, good. Yeah Folmer Sharpton 1534 01:30:59,460 --> 01:31:07,080 mint tulips. And China is es poco Okay, does Bohmer juleps 1535 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,840 priests throwing some job karma for my son Tom and human 1536 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:14,160 resource goat coming from my son and his wife Brittany some time 1537 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,220 and Brittany are expecting a child in November nice no agenda 1538 01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:19,890 show us provided the balance and reason analysis so they keep me 1539 01:31:19,890 --> 01:31:22,440 grounded during the COVID crisis. I can honestly say that 1540 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:25,890 without your bi weekly Thursday shows I would be much the worst 1541 01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:29,760 for where most of my friends and family are so far down the M 1542 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:34,350 five M O MB rabbit hole that there is no reasoning with them. 1543 01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:37,500 No, I don't. Yes, that's right. That's the healthy way to go. 1544 01:31:37,950 --> 01:31:43,020 Yeah. Or I guess they say FM. The show has been a refuge for 1545 01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:46,470 sanity and reason since my son Tom hit me in the mouth a few 1546 01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:50,220 years ago. A recent producer sent a note with stated his wife 1547 01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:53,520 would kill him. If she knew he had donated enough money to 1548 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,810 become a knight. I had to chuckle because my smokin hot 1549 01:31:57,810 --> 01:32:01,830 wife would feel the same way but oh she's she's an ardent 1550 01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:05,130 listener and contributor to our local public radio affiliate 1551 01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:10,500 Colorado propaganda or China public or I'm sorry Colorado 1552 01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:15,630 Public Radio. And we have contributed to CPR at least as 1553 01:32:15,630 --> 01:32:20,310 much as I have contributed to the no agenda show. Anyways, I 1554 01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:22,710 am proud to be a member of the NA tribe because let's keep 1555 01:32:22,710 --> 01:32:25,530 fighting the good fight Love and Light Dr. Milo Hi. All right. 1556 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:34,710 Out on the sidewalk sipping mental of 1557 01:32:35,790 --> 01:32:39,300 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. 1558 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:48,690 John C. Dvorak: Let's vote for jobs. A lot of goat goat glory 1559 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:53,190 God also a Julian Erickson is in East Boston, Massachusetts at 1560 01:32:53,190 --> 01:32:59,190 $333.33. He writes this is jobs karmic payback from November of 1561 01:32:59,190 --> 01:33:02,280 2019. I was hired in January by an incredible company I could 1562 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,420 not be happier. I could not be happier is a portion of my 1563 01:33:06,420 --> 01:33:09,780 hiring bonus to be reinvested back into the continued success 1564 01:33:09,780 --> 01:33:12,960 of the show. Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. To all the 1565 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,140 listeners receiving checks from the government take notice jobs 1566 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:19,710 karma works. consider donating now more than ever because the 1567 01:33:19,710 --> 01:33:24,030 universe rewards those who give value for value. My wife, my 1568 01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:27,900 wife and I welcomed a baby girl born in March during the peak of 1569 01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:32,040 this pandemic. What fun and my father is battling cancer 1570 01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,340 successfully but visiting him with our newborn has not been 1571 01:33:35,340 --> 01:33:39,240 possible due to the Rona. So I humbly request the following 1572 01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:43,560 jingles F cancer from my dad another job is karma to ensure 1573 01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,720 my new role stays in good standing and thank you for the 1574 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,350 incredible work you both do. On the show love and light Julian 1575 01:33:54,120 --> 01:34:00,780 Unknown: jobs jobs and jobs That's karma 1576 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:09,000 John C. Dvorak: Joe divert, divert do in Cornelius North 1577 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,170 Carolina a lot of North Carolina people shot really quick. That's 1578 01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:15,390 great. You're in wine country. 1579 01:34:15,420 --> 01:34:20,760 Adam Curry: Hey. North Carolina today. Kanye West doing his 1580 01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:26,820 first presidential run rally in North Carolina. It's happened 1581 01:34:26,850 --> 01:34:29,760 North Carolina. It's trending it's trending. 1582 01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:34,080 John C. Dvorak: Anyways, he writes first off I want to thank 1583 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,150 John for the accent that accompanied the note with my 1584 01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:39,780 last donation I loved it. I donate almost is that the one 1585 01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:41,550 Why did the tough guy voice I 1586 01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:42,540 Adam Curry: think so. Yeah. 1587 01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:46,980 John C. Dvorak: North Carolina like that. I love that I donate 1588 01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:49,230 almost a month ago to the day and I forgot to ask for a D 1589 01:34:49,230 --> 01:34:51,090 douching. Please the Jewish page. 1590 01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,510 Unknown: You've been deed deuced 1591 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,950 John C. Dvorak: every cover that accent, my last donation and 1592 01:34:58,950 --> 01:35:02,040 because of the Ricci or drive by connected with a friend from 1593 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:07,170 elementary school also listens. Shout out to Vince's low VOD Leo 1594 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:12,210 fences of Oglio. I'm sending into second donation as a thank 1595 01:35:12,210 --> 01:35:15,420 you for keeping my amygdala small. I had multiple noodle 1596 01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:19,260 guns shot at me last week on the interwebs. But thanks to you 1597 01:35:19,260 --> 01:35:25,920 guys, I don't buy into this nonsense. Or MSM bullshit, as I 1598 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,370 like to call it was an old friend from college who said I 1599 01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:32,880 changed because I don't think all the cops are corrupt. He 1600 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:38,280 also didn't think that I was against that soochow a si AOCs 1601 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:43,230 it suits Shia AOC. In another instance, I challenged the kids 1602 01:35:43,230 --> 01:35:47,730 idea that all Trump voters are racist. Right turned his 1603 01:35:47,730 --> 01:35:51,630 argument against them using the same idea. But with Biden's 1604 01:35:51,630 --> 01:35:56,880 terrible traits. He barked off and urged that we continue to do 1605 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:01,800 the work. Even quoted it in his comment. I felt like it was 1606 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:06,690 living a noodle gun episode. Thankfully it did reveal those I 1607 01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:13,350 know that are not buying in at a current sheepish BS. Could I 1608 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:17,730 please get the Italian accent noodle gun jingle with some goat 1609 01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:21,480 karma? Yeah, yeah. And I'm sorry. It's South Carolina. 1610 01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:28,020 Where I work? Yes, that truffle room finally got caught up. 1611 01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:42,480 Truffle. Exactly. Here we go. With the Maduro. Pasta Glock 1612 01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:51,240 locked in. I'm surprised that doesn't get requested more 1613 01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,040 actually. Let's count it is pretty good. 1614 01:36:53,070 --> 01:36:54,300 Adam Curry: It's pretty funny. I like it. 1615 01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:57,660 John C. Dvorak: Kristen Smith and Blyton Lincolnshire, UK 1616 01:36:57,660 --> 01:37:01,500 333 33 Good. Good donations today. Thank you. Nice note, 1617 01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:04,380 there's not much to set for the $1,000. When there's not much to 1618 01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:07,830 say from the Gitmo nation East it's time for us to mask up and 1619 01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:11,070 hope that we don't catch the retreating virus. We can now go 1620 01:37:11,070 --> 01:37:16,290 to a bar restaurant mask free. But no, we can't get groceries 1621 01:37:16,290 --> 01:37:21,120 without one. It's interesting that here like in the US they 1622 01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,310 are promoting the number of cases rather than the number of 1623 01:37:23,310 --> 01:37:27,720 deaths. It did make me chuckle when John put our numbers in the 1624 01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,440 newsletter. The problem in the UK is that the Daily Mail is 1625 01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:35,250 more ridiculed in the mainstream media than Fox News is in the 1626 01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:40,440 US. Just remember, we have to pay a fee for just having a TV. 1627 01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:43,140 Hello. That's right. If you're watching TV from another 1628 01:37:43,140 --> 01:37:45,540 country, I'm trying my best to hit people in the mouth. So 1629 01:37:45,540 --> 01:37:48,420 here's a donation to make my life easier. You both do such a 1630 01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:52,110 better job than I ever could. Playing the no agenda show make 1631 01:37:52,110 --> 01:37:58,530 so many people realize the lame ass media. She writes us 1632 01:37:58,530 --> 01:38:04,740 spelling. Because you instead of Rs. Media aren't letting them 1633 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:08,400 know the truth dealer's choice on the jingles is you seem 1634 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,060 surprised that I didn't ask for anything last time. Sometimes 1635 01:38:13,020 --> 01:38:16,800 the message more than jingles. Well, this isn't true. This is 1636 01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,650 true. Stan could be a guy. Very possible. 1637 01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:24,090 Adam Curry: But I said it's okay. Just I don't dealer's 1638 01:38:24,090 --> 01:38:26,940 choice. I guess you're you're up again. dealer's choice. 1639 01:38:28,980 --> 01:38:31,140 John C. Dvorak: I think the beaches are open. 1640 01:38:31,709 --> 01:38:37,019 Adam Curry: Okay, that is a classic. Yes, the beaches are 1641 01:38:37,019 --> 01:38:37,679 back up and 1642 01:38:40,710 --> 01:38:42,900 Unknown: you've got karma good one. 1643 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,960 John C. Dvorak: Anonymous 333 33 A shout out to the following 1644 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:55,290 podcast OBD M. Brian Dawson, quite frankly and Owen Benjamin. 1645 01:38:56,190 --> 01:38:58,740 Okay. Jobs karma for all 1646 01:38:58,770 --> 01:39:02,310 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. 1647 01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:08,310 John C. Dvorak: Let's vote for jobs. You've got karma wonder 1648 01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:10,770 which of those four podcasts he does? 1649 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,750 Neil Jackman in Exeter, Devon and he becomes your first 1650 01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:18,960 Executive Associate Executive producer. He's also a Brit. 1651 01:39:19,230 --> 01:39:23,760 23456 ITM to both of you. For the great shows of late you're 1652 01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,430 helping me stay sane cut against some health cover for my dad as 1653 01:39:26,430 --> 01:39:29,100 he is going to be in the hospital this week for eye 1654 01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:33,630 surgery. Keep up the excellent analysis he's getting what kind 1655 01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:35,460 of surgery Yeah, sorry. What kind of surgery? 1656 01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:37,560 Adam Curry: What kind of eye surgery? Yes, of course we have 1657 01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:41,160 that. Lots of adforum You've got karma 1658 01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:48,090 John C. Dvorak: twisted onions Martin's. So onion night from 1659 01:39:48,090 --> 01:39:48,900 Milwaukee. 1660 01:39:48,930 --> 01:39:52,560 Adam Curry: Well walk and this is another interesting twist to 1661 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,270 three to 60 this was not listed on the on the back office note 1662 01:39:57,270 --> 01:40:01,920 but and Tristan onion Martin's As it I'm assuming I moved the 1663 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,370 beads correctly on this abacus this donation should bring me 1664 01:40:05,370 --> 01:40:08,610 tonight hood instead of Tristan onion Martins I would like to 1665 01:40:08,610 --> 01:40:12,090 now be known as Sir onion night of the good land up north up 1666 01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:15,570 north or pending availability at the roundtable I would love to 1667 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,840 see brassy bites and some of that good old Wisconsin string 1668 01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,860 cheese with old 2020 situation I've had too many I have too 1669 01:40:22,860 --> 01:40:26,520 many things I need to say. I will try to support brevity f 1670 01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:32,280 the media F mask an F the noodlers my smokin effing 1671 01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,790 gorgeous wife Mrs. Onion could use some jobs karma, the missus 1672 01:40:35,790 --> 01:40:38,490 and I recently just celebrated our 18th anniversary although I 1673 01:40:38,610 --> 01:40:41,250 have been trying for months together in the no agenda club I 1674 01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:45,810 fear I have been unsuccessful thus far. This is my tertiary 1675 01:40:45,810 --> 01:40:49,770 objective for next 18 years for myself I'd be happy with some of 1676 01:40:49,770 --> 01:40:54,660 that good creamy stereo goat karma Tristan onion Martin sir 1677 01:40:54,660 --> 01:40:57,720 onion NIGHT OF THE GOOD NIGHT love the good land up in order 1678 01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:02,940 to be why is he not in blue? And why is his abacus not match up? 1679 01:41:02,970 --> 01:41:04,200 Or is this I 1680 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,350 John C. Dvorak: have no idea. So asking the wrong guy got a note 1681 01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:07,620 today? 1682 01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,530 Adam Curry: Well, I've put them on the list. And if if we're 1683 01:41:10,530 --> 01:41:13,200 wrong, then we'll then we'll figure that out. Sir. Wait, 1684 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,730 wait, wait, wait. He needs some good creamy goat karma. For him. 1685 01:41:18,090 --> 01:41:20,910 Unknown: You've got karma 1686 01:41:21,299 --> 01:41:23,939 Adam Curry: and smoking on Wi Fi the jobs current 1687 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,100 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 1688 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:32,970 You've got karma. 1689 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:43,260 John C. Dvorak: Sir, she said her two or 333 He says ITM when 1690 01:41:43,260 --> 01:41:46,620 my blood oath successfully got me a twitter follow back from 1691 01:41:46,620 --> 01:41:49,290 the pod father, I knew I had to send a donation sooner than 1692 01:41:49,290 --> 01:41:53,220 planned. All hail the almighty pod Father. 1693 01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:59,280 Adam Curry: Listen, there's some bitching on Twitter. And one of 1694 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:04,860 them was curry only follows nights. I'm like no, I don't. I 1695 01:42:04,860 --> 01:42:07,440 haven't I don't really fall. I don't I haven't really added to 1696 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:10,320 my followers in a very long time. Except sometimes if 1697 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:14,190 someone says something nasty about me. I won't block him. I 1698 01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:17,010 won't reply. I'll just follow them as I think it confuses 1699 01:42:17,010 --> 01:42:18,120 people. Why did he follow me? 1700 01:42:18,150 --> 01:42:20,070 John C. Dvorak: That's weird. Oh, that's an interesting 1701 01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:21,120 approach now. 1702 01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:24,450 Adam Curry: So I followed Cersei sitter and this is the result. 1703 01:42:25,650 --> 01:42:27,690 John C. Dvorak: Well, maybe you should start following 1704 01:42:27,690 --> 01:42:33,240 everybody. Anybody wants to be followed by Adam. Send in a 1705 01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,250 donation and he'll follow you for sure. 1706 01:42:35,670 --> 01:42:38,910 Adam Curry: No, that's not how it works. Yeah, sir. suits that 1707 01:42:38,910 --> 01:42:41,610 are continuing to message to the douchebags out there who are 1708 01:42:41,610 --> 01:42:47,700 still freeloading, not donating his violence. Shameless plug 1709 01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:53,280 time check out our podcast, abs, abs and a six pack abs and a six 1710 01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,540 pack. For now we currently operate on the value for value 1711 01:42:57,570 --> 01:42:59,760 of value for V four n model. What 1712 01:42:59,759 --> 01:43:01,139 John C. Dvorak: does that value for nothing. 1713 01:43:02,610 --> 01:43:05,310 Adam Curry: Oh, I got it. No ads. No paywalls and we don't 1714 01:43:05,310 --> 01:43:07,830 accept donations you'll hear a different wacky topic every 1715 01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:09,990 episode long with your favorite guests from the no agenda 1716 01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:14,100 family. Major, huge big thanks to nick the rat DC girl and 1717 01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:16,500 especially Darren O'Neal for being so helpful with the 1718 01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:20,700 technical side love y'all. God bless the BPI to you in the 1719 01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:23,580 whole wonderful na community. No jingles but some house buying 1720 01:43:23,580 --> 01:43:28,050 karma. And some podcasting goat karma would be much appreciated. 1721 01:43:28,050 --> 01:43:31,350 Next donation. I reached knighthood. And of course we 1722 01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:32,760 will do that jobs, 1723 01:43:32,940 --> 01:43:35,520 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. 1724 01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:37,080 Let's go for jobs. 1725 01:43:39,870 --> 01:43:42,690 Adam Curry: It gave me an extra jobs karma. Because after all, 1726 01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:47,730 you're a podcaster. You need it. Now we have this thing here. 1727 01:43:47,730 --> 01:43:49,710 Don't wait. Don't we have something we want to do here? 1728 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,230 John C. Dvorak: There's an there's a make good on the note 1729 01:43:52,230 --> 01:43:53,610 from Eric. Yeah, 1730 01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,450 Adam Curry: this Yes. This is a special request from Sam Lewis. 1731 01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:01,500 John C. Dvorak: Before we actually before the special 1732 01:44:01,500 --> 01:44:04,980 requests, I just want to make sure to thank these producers 1733 01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:07,800 and executive producers and Associate Executive producers 1734 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:12,510 for supporting and producing at that level show 1261 1735 01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:16,560 Adam Curry: Indeed, sorry, I was blowing my nose while you were 1736 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,760 saying that. And for those who are executive producers and 1737 01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:21,720 associated go stop 1738 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,960 John C. Dvorak: a second we're going to have a pow pow, pow. 1739 01:44:25,410 --> 01:44:29,010 You're going to blow your nose. Blow your nose around the mic 1740 01:44:29,010 --> 01:44:32,190 because despite no fighting, I blew no I didn't hear 1741 01:44:32,190 --> 01:44:34,440 Adam Curry: it. No because I had I had my mute pedal. I'm not 1742 01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:36,780 gonna I'm not gonna blow my nose. Well, why Oh, 1743 01:44:36,780 --> 01:44:39,990 John C. Dvorak: yeah. So I do it all the time. You get you get a 1744 01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:40,920 kick out of it. Oh, 1745 01:44:42,420 --> 01:44:45,300 Adam Curry: hey, these executive producer and Associate Executive 1746 01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:48,990 producer credits are real ones. Please use them were 1747 01:44:48,990 --> 01:44:52,530 appropriate. And institutions that know what these are about 1748 01:44:52,530 --> 01:44:55,560 will recognize them. If there's any question whatsoever. We'll 1749 01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,320 be happy to vouch for you and thank you for producing as 1750 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,180 executive producers Associate Executive produce This was 1751 01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:04,200 episode 1261 of the no agenda show the best podcast and 1752 01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:08,070 universe now with a new website. A damn good one to this 1753 01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:10,620 everything you want it to do on that website, including a 1754 01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:14,700 player. You can search the transcripts. We've got even 1755 01:45:14,700 --> 01:45:17,940 synchronized troll room comments during the show. If you want to 1756 01:45:17,940 --> 01:45:21,000 listen to live, the download link is back. Everything is 1757 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,950 great. Thank you, producer Tim. Something coming for him. Now 1758 01:45:26,010 --> 01:45:30,900 this came in a few weeks ago and there was a donation attached to 1759 01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:34,800 it. And we had promised on this day to do this special request 1760 01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,010 request from Sam Lewis who says I'm a Knight of the no agenda 1761 01:45:38,010 --> 01:45:40,800 roundtable have been a listener and monthly donor since 2008. 1762 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,950 Way back in 2010. I hit my smokin hot girlfriend in the 1763 01:45:43,950 --> 01:45:47,280 mouth since then she's become a dame with her own $1,000 1764 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,850 donation yesterday was her 43rd birthday. And to celebrate I 1765 01:45:50,850 --> 01:45:53,490 planned on taking him to the Sacramento gun show but it was 1766 01:45:53,490 --> 01:45:56,880 suddenly canceled. Just completing a firearm safety 1767 01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,790 class. She is now in the market for self protection. Any 1768 01:45:59,790 --> 01:46:03,330 suggestions? Well, you should go to no agenda social.com and ask 1769 01:46:03,330 --> 01:46:06,540 the people there they are much more skilled at that. We have 1770 01:46:06,540 --> 01:46:09,270 two wonderful homeschooled human resources together silver and 1771 01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:12,240 Smith ages six and two are going through some bumpy times right 1772 01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,850 now. As two and a half years ago I committed to remodeling our 1773 01:46:14,850 --> 01:46:17,460 house doing the work myself I've realized it's harder than it 1774 01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:21,300 looks. No kidding. And I'm a dude named Ben that didn't have 1775 01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:27,210 construction experience. Whoa, only love for tools. Yeah, a 1776 01:46:27,210 --> 01:46:30,450 family member contractor of 30 years offered his help. 1777 01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:33,480 Unfortunately he did such a piss poor job that I had to redo much 1778 01:46:33,480 --> 01:46:36,960 of the work that and the Rona added six months to the project 1779 01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:39,900 through it all Sara and our kids have been living with their with 1780 01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:44,460 her lefty CNN quoting mother in reading oh my gosh, this is 1781 01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:47,790 disastrous. They are not getting along. I live on the 1782 01:46:47,790 --> 01:46:51,870 construction site and vis visit when I can. There have been many 1783 01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:54,330 days when I felt I couldn't continue the remodel and wanted 1784 01:46:54,330 --> 01:46:57,600 to give up my mill has been so supportive. We tried to look at 1785 01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,940 the silver lining in it all the struggle does help you to 1786 01:46:59,940 --> 01:47:02,970 appreciate your significant other more so when times are 1787 01:47:02,970 --> 01:47:06,540 easy, like dudes named Ben contractors a very important 1788 01:47:06,690 --> 01:47:09,480 problem is there's not enough of them and seems most a shady 1789 01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:11,460 characters. I don't know dudes named Ben, I don't think are 1790 01:47:11,460 --> 01:47:14,490 shady characters. There should be more of them. But my guess is 1791 01:47:14,490 --> 01:47:16,950 they were pushed to college for lucrative degree in gender 1792 01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:19,950 studies. We need to refund all that wasted tuition and enroll 1793 01:47:19,950 --> 01:47:24,150 them in vocation school. They could become plumbers and flush 1794 01:47:24,150 --> 01:47:26,850 that gender studies degree down the same toilet they learn to 1795 01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:30,000 install. As an aside I'm with Trump on reducing water 1796 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,420 consumption regulation for toilets. Think about this how 1797 01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:37,020 which uses more water a single two gallon flush or a number two 1798 01:47:37,020 --> 01:47:41,790 job on a number two job or 10 flushes on a 0.8 gallon low flow 1799 01:47:41,790 --> 01:47:45,420 toilet does Queen Pelosi and Lord Newsome flush 10 times I 1800 01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:48,030 don't think so what kind of toilets they have Gitmo nation 1801 01:47:48,030 --> 01:47:51,540 deserves to know. And then finally, onto the reason I made 1802 01:47:51,540 --> 01:47:55,260 the big donation and the note that is a tad too long. Sarah 1803 01:47:55,260 --> 01:47:59,280 and I did the family planning things sort of in reverse. After 1804 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,870 six years of being a MILF, I'd like I'm finally ready to make 1805 01:48:03,870 --> 01:48:09,690 Dame Sarah, an MI L M mother I'd like to marry. So with this 1806 01:48:09,690 --> 01:48:16,290 donation, I hereby ask Dame Sarah for her hand in marriage. 1807 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,530 Thank you, Adam and John couples that donate together have 1808 01:48:19,530 --> 01:48:21,720 children and then get married together. 1809 01:48:41,010 --> 01:48:44,940 With a slide whistle assists congratulation I hope she says 1810 01:48:44,940 --> 01:48:48,660 yes. After all that you imagined luckily. 1811 01:48:48,690 --> 01:48:51,720 John C. Dvorak: Luckily, he hounded us about this enough 1812 01:48:52,650 --> 01:48:55,830 Adam Curry: that we even had a little music dog because 1813 01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:59,880 John C. Dvorak: he had mentioned this note like three weeks ago. 1814 01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:03,300 Can you put my donation off to this date? Because I want to ask 1815 01:49:04,860 --> 01:49:11,370 my my retro to marry me. Yes. And I'm thinking oh, God, will 1816 01:49:12,420 --> 01:49:14,910 Adam Curry: we send this? We've messed up these things. So 1817 01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:17,820 John C. Dvorak: never do this. Right. Because we don't do we 1818 01:49:17,820 --> 01:49:18,210 don't do 1819 01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:19,710 Adam Curry: we don't do preparation. 1820 01:49:19,770 --> 01:49:22,350 John C. Dvorak: We don't have yet to shows that libbed? Well, 1821 01:49:22,350 --> 01:49:25,440 except for oh, well, luckily, he's smart enough. I'm gonna say 1822 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:28,800 this and I know people. If you're gonna try to pull a stunt 1823 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,730 like this. You really have to be aggressive with us. You have to 1824 01:49:32,730 --> 01:49:34,080 just hound us. 1825 01:49:34,830 --> 01:49:39,180 Adam Curry: Yes. And it's not because we're bad people. No, we 1826 01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:39,390 have. 1827 01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:42,510 John C. Dvorak: I will. I will mention this. I'm gonna look 1828 01:49:42,510 --> 01:49:48,510 back here. I do have I search for him on the emails. And he 1829 01:49:48,510 --> 01:49:50,190 sent in I think about six notes. 1830 01:49:50,219 --> 01:49:53,279 Adam Curry: Yeah, of course. Of course. He may even have anyone. 1831 01:49:54,090 --> 01:49:57,690 John C. Dvorak: On July 10. Just for record for the record. July 1832 01:49:57,690 --> 01:50:00,870 10. He sends a note in with a marriage proposal. Yeah, another 1833 01:50:00,870 --> 01:50:03,840 note on july two, oh, you sent her something back on July 12, 1834 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:07,140 saying okay, and then on the 14th, he sent some in an 18th. 1835 01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:12,570 He says, note and the 90s, he sends in two notes was reminder 1836 01:50:12,570 --> 01:50:16,170 reminder. I got it, I will say, well, actually, the two 1837 01:50:16,170 --> 01:50:20,640 reminders should have been on the 18th. But yeah, that's I 1838 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:25,410 hate to say this, he Well, but that's what you have to do, if 1839 01:50:25,410 --> 01:50:27,990 you really met want to make sure I think we would have pull it 1840 01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:31,320 off. But then again, the likelihood is about a 5050 shot 1841 01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:32,100 unless you do that. 1842 01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:36,450 Adam Curry: And the reason is, because we have no producers of 1843 01:50:36,450 --> 01:50:39,540 this show, we don't have a staff. That is the beauty of the 1844 01:50:39,540 --> 01:50:42,750 no agenda show. And I encourage you to listen to the Tom Woods 1845 01:50:42,810 --> 01:50:46,950 episode I did, where I reiterate how, how our show was put 1846 01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:50,220 together and the importance of all producers, because that's 1847 01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:53,190 really how it works. And, and I was even telling you, the keeper 1848 01:50:53,190 --> 01:50:56,250 last night, the producers, they've really they've trained 1849 01:50:56,250 --> 01:51:00,840 themselves, they know how to do things so well, from clips to 1850 01:51:02,610 --> 01:51:07,080 even as sending me if you send a link, it's either queued up to 1851 01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,780 the timecode or someone will send a list of time codes. I 1852 01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:12,450 mean, these are this is what producers do that people who 1853 01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:15,480 say, Hey, this is this is great. And send me a link to to our 1854 01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:20,640 podcasts and listen to this. Lots of good clips in here. Have 1855 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,330 a listen. Yeah, so. So just think like a producer, because 1856 01:51:24,330 --> 01:51:28,530 that's what you are. And we thank, of course, Sam, because 1857 01:51:28,530 --> 01:51:31,740 that was beautiful. And we feel privileged to be a part of that. 1858 01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:35,940 We hope she said yes, let us know. And that's a typical no 1859 01:51:35,940 --> 01:51:40,380 agenda experience from a guy who draws Batman DC Comics covers to 1860 01:51:40,380 --> 01:51:44,940 a guy who is a programmer and tried to build a house it's 1861 01:51:44,940 --> 01:51:48,540 fantastic. We are the misfits of society and proud of it and you 1862 01:51:48,540 --> 01:51:52,020 can support us by going to the following website address 1863 01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:55,620 Unknown: vora.org/and A if 1864 01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:57,510 Adam Curry: you want to get married, you know where to go. 1865 01:51:57,570 --> 01:51:58,410 It's probably not with 1866 01:52:00,060 --> 01:52:04,350 John C. Dvorak: our formula is this. We go out we get people in 1867 01:52:04,350 --> 01:52:04,680 the mouth 1868 01:52:20,010 --> 01:52:24,570 I want to do a little segment on Kaylee. Oh, weekly segment. Oh, 1869 01:52:24,570 --> 01:52:27,420 Adam Curry: can I play the jingle since we don't have this? 1870 01:52:27,420 --> 01:52:30,000 Is this good enough for the jingle? Oh, okay. This is good. 1871 01:52:30,540 --> 01:52:36,570 Kaylee jingle there it is. I should have her on the standby. 1872 01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:58,560 I wanted to mention about Kaley. Someone had a close up picture 1873 01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:02,340 of her binder. Did you see this? I put it in the show notes. 1874 01:53:02,340 --> 01:53:08,820 Actually. Oh my god. She has. It must be 50 tabs. It's fantastic. 1875 01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:12,300 Let me see. I think I can bring it up here. It's all it's all 1876 01:53:12,300 --> 01:53:16,740 these. You know, I'll tell you what some other tabs are. i You 1877 01:53:16,740 --> 01:53:19,920 weren't I think you were tagged on this was a Twitter post. But 1878 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,640 I know you're too busy on nodes in the social. So it's a it's a 1879 01:53:23,670 --> 01:53:27,930 candid shot. And I'll just read you some of the tabs, absurd BLM 1880 01:53:27,930 --> 01:53:34,560 ballot cases CDC, China COVID Can't read test early econ 1881 01:53:34,830 --> 01:53:42,960 election, Flynn golf, Goya hatch hate health. Carl, LGBT lies, 1882 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:49,110 Mary can't read Obama PPE Pribyl as I'm privileged reopen Russia, 1883 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:56,520 as you schedule universities as system. I mean, she wins. She is 1884 01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:59,580 it's almost like the shownotes It's like she's doing a podcast. 1885 01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:03,240 Someone throw something at her. She goes to the right tab. Bam. 1886 01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:03,900 And she's got 1887 01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:07,140 John C. Dvorak: is is the one that says Karl with a K. Yes. 1888 01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:09,750 Yeah, that's because it's about John Karl. 1889 01:54:10,530 --> 01:54:12,330 Adam Curry: Jonathan Karl from ABC News. 1890 01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:15,420 John C. Dvorak: And Jonathan Karl is stepping down or his I 1891 01:54:15,420 --> 01:54:18,900 think his term is up as they headed the press the White House 1892 01:54:18,900 --> 01:54:23,160 Press Association. And so they brought him on to the end. He's 1893 01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:27,480 never liked this woman. And so I think that tab is for him in 1894 01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:30,090 case he gets a question at the end, she flips to and has some 1895 01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:33,750 nasty things to say about it. Right? And he is and he is a 1896 01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:38,010 jerk. So he shows up on the view. And I think he sent the 1897 01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:40,380 word out too. And I think you're gonna start seeing this they 1898 01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:45,270 start blasting her for being a bonehead and and a mean person 1899 01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:48,900 and no good just no good. So here's here's the attack on 1900 01:54:48,900 --> 01:54:51,000 Cayley by John Karl on view. 1901 01:54:51,690 --> 01:54:54,210 Adam Curry: So your which is a it's his own network, right. 1902 01:54:54,210 --> 01:54:56,700 It's ABC his own network. Yeah. His 1903 01:54:57,630 --> 01:55:01,170 Unknown: tenure as president White House Correspondents 1904 01:55:01,530 --> 01:55:06,720 Association has ended in you've worked with 14 Different press 1905 01:55:07,290 --> 01:55:10,860 secretaries in all different administrations. Do you just 1906 01:55:10,860 --> 01:55:15,480 wrote also an op ed on this for The Washington Post? What what 1907 01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:17,520 do you say in the op ed that we should know? 1908 01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,220 Well, I'm concerned that the White House briefings that 1909 01:55:20,220 --> 01:55:24,120 become political events, kind of maybe a naive, old fashioned 1910 01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:26,820 notion that the White House press secretary is a public 1911 01:55:26,820 --> 01:55:30,990 servant, paid for by the taxpayers. And the job is to 1912 01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:33,660 provide information about what the President is doing and what 1913 01:55:33,660 --> 01:55:36,360 the executive branch is doing. But not to be a political 1914 01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:40,020 spokesperson, you are not the spokesperson for a campaign or a 1915 01:55:40,020 --> 01:55:42,960 political party, you do represent the President's views 1916 01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:47,340 to the press, but you're also have a duty to inform the 1917 01:55:47,340 --> 01:55:51,120 American people through the press, which most people get 1918 01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:54,000 most of their information from. And these, these press 1919 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,240 conferences have become an effort to vilify the press to 1920 01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:01,620 try to discredit the press, and not to really give much 1921 01:56:01,620 --> 01:56:04,800 information but to give a political message of the day. 1922 01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,040 And I you know, wouldn't normally pick a fight with a 1923 01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:11,310 White House press secretary. But you know, I mean, except on on 1924 01:56:11,310 --> 01:56:13,800 an issue I'm asking you about an in a briefing, but but this 1925 01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,190 concerns me not so much what's happening now, but I hope this 1926 01:56:17,190 --> 01:56:20,400 doesn't become the way going forward. We have to get back to 1927 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,570 the notion that the White House press secretary is ultimately a 1928 01:56:24,570 --> 01:56:28,020 public servant and not a not a political spokesperson. 1929 01:56:28,290 --> 01:56:33,360 Adam Curry: Wow. What is this all about? This is dumb quiet 1930 01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:40,050 this this has never never been a good civil servant who who was 1931 01:56:40,050 --> 01:56:43,200 working for the American people. What is this? 1932 01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:45,570 John C. Dvorak: Did they did this an idiot it will be like 1933 01:56:45,570 --> 01:56:48,630 does that mean this guy is really corrupt? Yeah, but so but 1934 01:56:48,630 --> 01:56:51,120 the word goes out and so now we're gonna see everybody 1935 01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,850 blessing this woman and we'll take it right down to the 1936 01:56:53,850 --> 01:56:59,160 Breakfast Club. Go No, it's Charlemagne. The God calling her 1937 01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,920 out as as a incompetent bonehead. 1938 01:57:01,950 --> 01:57:05,370 Adam Curry: Oh, you are the Breakfast Club pitch. Donkey the 1939 01:57:05,370 --> 01:57:09,120 day to day. Donkey today for Friday, July 17 called the White 1940 01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:14,880 House press secretary Kayleigh Maconie Danny magnanni. Kaylee 1941 01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,560 magnanni. Makes me 1942 01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,100 calling someone a donkey. You might want to know their name. 1943 01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:20,850 Charlemagne, 1944 01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,280 Unknown: Nana used to be in school. Anyway, Kaylee is a 1945 01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:27,420 prime example of the era we live in. Someone who was unqualified 1946 01:57:27,570 --> 01:57:31,080 to be in the position that they're in. The primary 1947 01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,570 responsibility of the White House press secretary is to act 1948 01:57:33,570 --> 01:57:36,030 as a spokesperson for the US government, especially in 1949 01:57:36,030 --> 01:57:38,640 regards to the President and the problem with every single person 1950 01:57:38,850 --> 01:57:42,360 in the Trump administration is one thing. They are all scared 1951 01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,550 to speak out against the president. If the president is 1952 01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:47,310 wrong, they won't tell them if the President makes a mistake. 1953 01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:50,070 They won't admit he made a mistake. Okay, America you 1954 01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:52,800 cannot love your party over the country. It shouldn't matter 1955 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,520 what side you want. America is in shambles better be had 1956 01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:59,760 Coronavirus, don't care if we democrat or republican held your 1957 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,280 economy don't care if you're Democrat or Republican trauma 1958 01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,770 doesn't care if you're Democrat or Republican, being sick 1959 01:58:04,770 --> 01:58:07,260 physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, those 1960 01:58:07,260 --> 01:58:10,440 elements don't care if you are a Democrat or Republican. We have 1961 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:13,140 a lack of leadership in this country like I've never seen 1962 01:58:13,140 --> 01:58:14,910 before and it is showing 1963 01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,420 Adam Curry: Wow, that was that was a live read. He got paid for 1964 01:58:18,420 --> 01:58:24,510 that. He didn't even know how to pronounce her name. Yeah, that's 1965 01:58:24,510 --> 01:58:25,500 shameful. 1966 01:58:26,370 --> 01:58:28,590 John C. Dvorak: He was terrible. He goes on and then he also 1967 01:58:29,220 --> 01:58:31,770 exaggerate she she made a flub, 1968 01:58:31,950 --> 01:58:35,520 Adam Curry: and by the way, not not shameful that he's ragging 1969 01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,400 on Kaylee. I don't care about that. But the fact that that he 1970 01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:40,860 could, he didn't even know her name. And he's just reading a 1971 01:58:40,860 --> 01:58:42,840 script. That is That's lame. 1972 01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:46,650 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Well, anyway, he bragged on her over a 1973 01:58:46,650 --> 01:58:52,530 flub she made when she said school reopening. Shouldn't 1974 01:58:52,590 --> 01:58:55,410 Adam Curry: is science. The science shouldn't stand in the 1975 01:58:55,410 --> 01:58:56,730 way something like that. 1976 01:58:57,150 --> 01:58:59,100 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, the science shouldn't stand in the 1977 01:58:59,100 --> 01:59:02,340 way and then she's she goes on about how the science is for the 1978 01:59:02,340 --> 01:59:07,770 wordage was decided the science doesn't stand in the way right? 1979 01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,130 He said Shouldn't she read it? Right and she was read the wrong 1980 01:59:11,130 --> 01:59:14,370 words and she said shouldn't instead it doesn't and he made a 1981 01:59:14,370 --> 01:59:18,750 big stink about that. Doesn't stand in the way this and then 1982 01:59:18,750 --> 01:59:22,020 she said the science. Anyways, science confirms that you could 1983 01:59:22,020 --> 01:59:25,350 do it. She actually is don't forget she has a law degree. 1984 01:59:25,350 --> 01:59:29,280 She's been a PR person. spokeswoman before the White 1985 01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:33,090 House she was with the campaign is unqualified is hardly the 1986 01:59:33,090 --> 01:59:36,930 case. But we'll let it go because we're gonna see a lot of 1987 01:59:36,990 --> 01:59:39,480 because they don't like her because she's too good. Let's 1988 01:59:41,490 --> 01:59:45,810 let's listen to the two clips I have of her. One is Kaylee on 1989 01:59:45,810 --> 01:59:46,770 the Hatch Act. 1990 01:59:49,980 --> 01:59:54,030 The flows from two events that we saw recently that we wouldn't 1991 01:59:54,030 --> 01:59:57,810 have seen the previous white houses. The first was a campaign 1992 01:59:57,810 --> 02:00:01,350 meeting in the cabinet from last month. And then the political 1993 02:00:01,350 --> 02:00:04,860 speaks in the Rose Garden District. Can you talk about 1994 02:00:05,220 --> 02:00:09,330 your understanding of what the White House policy is to this 1995 02:00:09,330 --> 02:00:13,380 White House? As far as politics? Is there any place in the White 1996 02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:16,620 House where you think politics is inappropriate? Where do you 1997 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:17,910 where do you draw the line, 1998 02:00:17,939 --> 02:00:20,399 Unknown: we act in accordance with the Hatch Act, it's well 1999 02:00:20,399 --> 02:00:22,799 established that the President and Vice President are not 2000 02:00:22,799 --> 02:00:26,279 subject to the Hatch Act. It says this much in the Hatch Act. 2001 02:00:26,669 --> 02:00:29,219 It says that the Hatch Act applies to executive branch 2002 02:00:29,219 --> 02:00:33,419 employees, which is defined in the Hatch Act as employee 2003 02:00:33,419 --> 02:00:36,179 meaning any individual other than the President and the Vice 2004 02:00:36,179 --> 02:00:46,019 President. So it's entirely appropriate to have everything 2005 02:00:46,019 --> 02:00:48,749 to do with this story. That's where you're alleging those 2006 02:00:48,749 --> 02:00:53,129 problems. Your real problem was was the fact that the President 2007 02:00:53,129 --> 02:00:56,819 gave a a very good powerful speech from the rose garden 2008 02:01:02,190 --> 02:01:04,230 Adam Curry: that was was the hat was the moaning about the Hatch 2009 02:01:04,230 --> 02:01:07,950 Act because the trumpets tend to bill from Mar a Lago. 2010 02:01:08,970 --> 02:01:11,850 John C. Dvorak: No, no, no, I think it was really stems back 2011 02:01:11,850 --> 02:01:16,680 to the to his doing the speech from the Rose Garden as just 2012 02:01:17,130 --> 02:01:19,410 seemed it seemed promotional, even though you should prove 2013 02:01:19,410 --> 02:01:22,350 that it wasn't. Well, certainly not the last show, but that's 2014 02:01:22,350 --> 02:01:25,500 beside the point. And I think, sitting around with Goya 2015 02:01:25,500 --> 02:01:26,490 products I didn't think 2016 02:01:26,730 --> 02:01:30,090 Adam Curry: oh, by the way, Goya products do you know that? 2017 02:01:30,240 --> 02:01:31,680 What's in Goya products? 2018 02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:34,560 John C. Dvorak: Cumin people 2019 02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:37,890 Adam Curry: close now? MSG. 2020 02:01:39,300 --> 02:01:40,590 John C. Dvorak: MSG and everything. 2021 02:01:40,740 --> 02:01:42,660 Adam Curry: Right? Ah, I'm not a big fan. 2022 02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,320 John C. Dvorak: But depends on how it's derived. I mean, do you 2023 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,120 ever eat good mushrooms in your food? 2024 02:01:48,420 --> 02:01:52,080 Adam Curry: Well, it's different when when the when the it says 2025 02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:56,520 it on the container. It's not just a derivative or anything. 2026 02:01:56,520 --> 02:02:02,250 It says this. It has. What is the monosodium glutamate? I 2027 02:02:02,250 --> 02:02:05,460 thought that that was that's not it gives me a headache 2028 02:02:05,460 --> 02:02:09,570 typically. Oh, does it? Yeah. But only if I get it from like a 2029 02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:12,690 restaurant, I would say, like kung fu food. 2030 02:02:14,970 --> 02:02:17,490 John C. Dvorak: Well, they very rarely put MSG and Chinese food 2031 02:02:17,490 --> 02:02:18,120 in the Bay Area. 2032 02:02:20,580 --> 02:02:23,670 Adam Curry: Anyway, that's my advice. For us. I was it was an 2033 02:02:23,670 --> 02:02:26,040 aside, it's not a customer complaint. 2034 02:02:29,010 --> 02:02:31,950 John C. Dvorak: Now here is Kaylee. And this is where this 2035 02:02:31,950 --> 02:02:34,620 is her walk off. And there's something very unusual, I want 2036 02:02:34,620 --> 02:02:37,170 you to listen for it. When she she's going to answer a 2037 02:02:37,170 --> 02:02:39,810 question, George, she's going to go into her thing and then do a 2038 02:02:39,810 --> 02:02:43,560 walk off. And then there's something strange that happens 2039 02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:46,020 at the walkout just pay very careful attention 2040 02:02:46,140 --> 02:02:49,050 Unknown: to database, public data that's been out there. 2041 02:02:49,380 --> 02:02:53,100 It'll continue to be public, it should be public. And this is 2042 02:02:53,100 --> 02:02:56,520 all about getting more data out there. Not less data and 2043 02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:00,450 ensuring in particular that our doctors get that daily data 2044 02:03:01,380 --> 02:03:04,650 John C. Dvorak: clip for a second, okay, so you don't know 2045 02:03:04,650 --> 02:03:08,010 what she's talking about. She's talking about the CDC reporting. 2046 02:03:08,010 --> 02:03:12,120 So it's gonna go through the white to the health services, 2047 02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:15,540 then it's gonna go to the CD, ABC, even though the media and 2048 02:03:15,540 --> 02:03:19,320 Maxine Waters in particular CDC has been cut out of the loop, 2049 02:03:19,890 --> 02:03:22,440 when in fact, they're not getting cut out of anything. So 2050 02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:24,660 she's explaining it, the database, 2051 02:03:25,020 --> 02:03:28,080 Unknown: public data that's been out there, it'll continue to be 2052 02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:31,770 public, it should be public. And this is all about getting more 2053 02:03:31,770 --> 02:03:35,850 data out there, not less data and ensuring in particular that 2054 02:03:35,850 --> 02:03:40,950 our doctors get that daily data. And one thing that I'd also like 2055 02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:44,010 to point out for everyone, it's just with regard to testing, 2056 02:03:44,010 --> 02:03:47,310 we've done more than 42 million tests. As I noted, the second 2057 02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:51,210 highest number is 12 million from India. We're leading the 2058 02:03:51,210 --> 02:03:54,000 world in testing. It's a very stark contrast. And the 2059 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,430 President mentioned this yesterday. So I just wanted to 2060 02:03:57,210 --> 02:03:59,700 put some, some additional information out there was 2061 02:03:59,700 --> 02:04:04,350 actually CBS reporting that in 2009, under Obama Biden quotes 2062 02:04:04,350 --> 02:04:08,100 and this is CBS reporting, CDC abruptly advise states to stop 2063 02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:12,270 testing for h1 and one flu and stop counting individual cases. 2064 02:04:12,270 --> 02:04:14,400 So while this president surge testing under the Obama 2065 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:18,750 administration, they stopped testing entirely. And Ron Klain, 2066 02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:21,750 Vice President Biden's former chief of staff said this is 2067 02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:26,400 purely a fortuity that he won in one isn't one of the great mass 2068 02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:28,890 casualty events in American history had nothing to do with 2069 02:04:28,890 --> 02:04:32,310 us doing anything rights. This is former VP Biden's Chief of 2070 02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:35,880 Staff it just had to do with luck. Contrary to that this 2071 02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,970 President fled the world and testing led the world and 2072 02:04:38,970 --> 02:04:43,200 ventilators redistributing ventilators for therapeutics 13 2073 02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,350 vaccine candidates, one going into phase three clinical trial. 2074 02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:49,260 This response has been extraordinary and historic 2075 02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:52,620 Wheaton pause testing the Obama Biden administration did and 2076 02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:54,360 that was a shameful decision. Thank you. 2077 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:05,730 Adam Curry: But what happened is everyone's mouth fell open. They 2078 02:05:05,730 --> 02:05:08,580 had nothing to say for the first time in forever. 2079 02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:13,140 John C. Dvorak: No. Then I did you went out to out of that 2080 02:05:13,140 --> 02:05:15,960 room. There was nothing. You didn't hear people yelling and 2081 02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:20,880 screaming at her. They say that's because Jim Acosta and 2082 02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,010 John Carl weren't there. 2083 02:05:26,580 --> 02:05:28,080 Adam Curry: Why does that not surprise me? 2084 02:05:30,150 --> 02:05:32,700 John C. Dvorak: Wow, those are the two guys that do that. 2085 02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:38,430 Adam Curry: So one down, one to go. Why is John Karl leaving? 2086 02:05:39,630 --> 02:05:41,820 John C. Dvorak: His term is up. Oh, 2087 02:05:42,210 --> 02:05:44,340 Adam Curry: but it will still be a metal he'll still be in there 2088 02:05:44,340 --> 02:05:45,930 asking annoying questions, though. 2089 02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:49,920 John C. Dvorak: I don't know for sure. He may start a gig that 2090 02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:50,670 you know, the news 2091 02:05:51,090 --> 02:05:54,510 Adam Curry: is not really not really a fun gig. Yeah, well, 2092 02:05:54,510 --> 02:06:00,570 you know, we have a big problem with with information in in the 2093 02:06:00,570 --> 02:06:03,600 system today, you know, none of it's right. Everything's wrong. 2094 02:06:04,170 --> 02:06:07,590 You know, it's a real it's at this point is basically a is 2095 02:06:07,590 --> 02:06:10,410 basically a health and health issue. The amount of 2096 02:06:10,440 --> 02:06:13,710 misinformation that is coming out everywhere, particularly 2097 02:06:13,710 --> 02:06:19,350 when it comes to Coronavirus. And luckily, the World Health 2098 02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:24,030 Organization is going to put a stop to this because when you 2099 02:06:24,030 --> 02:06:27,030 have problem with misinformation you want the World Health 2100 02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:31,950 Organization to step in. Because they are presenting July 21, the 2101 02:06:31,950 --> 02:06:36,330 first annual World Health Organization info Demi ology 2102 02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:37,290 conference. 2103 02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:41,970 John C. Dvorak: What's Demi ology 2104 02:06:42,420 --> 02:06:45,120 Adam Curry: in the context of the COVID 19 pandemic, I'm 2105 02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:49,410 reading from the webpage, the phenomenon of an info demic has 2106 02:06:49,410 --> 02:06:53,220 escalated to a level that requires a coordinated response. 2107 02:06:53,670 --> 02:06:57,150 An info demic is an overabundance of information, 2108 02:06:57,150 --> 02:07:02,070 some accurate and some not occurring during epidemic. Ah, 2109 02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,190 so they have a webinar coming up on the 21st Oh, 2110 02:07:05,190 --> 02:07:07,200 John C. Dvorak: a webinar mm. 2111 02:07:09,060 --> 02:07:12,270 Adam Curry: You can register for it. And the objectives are to 2112 02:07:12,270 --> 02:07:16,440 understand the multidisciplinary nature of info demic management. 2113 02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:22,380 Identify current examples and tools to understand measure and 2114 02:07:22,380 --> 02:07:27,450 control control info damage control them. The old debt, 2115 02:07:27,540 --> 02:07:31,410 public health research agenda to direct focus and investment in 2116 02:07:31,410 --> 02:07:34,980 this emerging scientific field. It's apparently a scientific 2117 02:07:34,980 --> 02:07:36,690 field info genealogy. 2118 02:07:37,410 --> 02:07:39,720 John C. Dvorak: Info D MI, ology. Wow. 2119 02:07:40,260 --> 02:07:42,780 Adam Curry: And establish a community of practice and 2120 02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:46,230 research and the participants will be experts from the field 2121 02:07:46,230 --> 02:07:49,830 of epidemiology and public health, applied math and data 2122 02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:53,580 science, digital health and technology applications, social 2123 02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:56,790 and behavioral science, Media Studies and Journalism, 2124 02:07:56,940 --> 02:08:01,410 marketing, UX and design, Risk Communication and Community 2125 02:08:01,410 --> 02:08:04,350 Engagement, ethics and governance and other relevant 2126 02:08:04,350 --> 02:08:10,830 scientific disciplines and practices. And they have a promo 2127 02:08:10,830 --> 02:08:12,180 video, we're not just 2128 02:08:12,750 --> 02:08:15,510 John C. Dvorak: sorry, go ahead. Say you gotta send me a link. 2129 02:08:15,870 --> 02:08:18,420 Adam Curry: Yes, it's well, it's the World Health Organization. 2130 02:08:19,169 --> 02:08:20,729 John C. Dvorak: Will it take to Webinar? 2131 02:08:22,170 --> 02:08:26,700 Adam Curry: Yes. So the July 24 21st is the public webinar 2132 02:08:26,730 --> 02:08:32,640 webinar. It's a zoom webinar, you're invited 1500 cet, so 2133 02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:36,330 that'll be crap. That's like 6am Your time probably, you may not 2134 02:08:36,330 --> 02:08:41,340 be doing the webinar. 6am your time? Yeah, tough decision 2135 02:08:41,370 --> 02:08:45,480 anyway, how to protect yourself in the info demic I think this 2136 02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:47,730 will be I mean, this is after all, the World Health 2137 02:08:47,730 --> 02:08:51,150 Organization, the same people who recommend we wear masks, the 2138 02:08:51,150 --> 02:08:54,060 same people who would recommend we wash our hands incessantly 2139 02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:58,230 saying people recommend we stay distance and afraid of other 2140 02:08:58,230 --> 02:09:01,920 human beings. Oh, let's listen to how to protect ourselves in 2141 02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:04,050 the in the info demic 2142 02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:06,630 Unknown: we're not just fighting an epidemic, we're fighting an 2143 02:09:06,630 --> 02:09:10,440 info demic this first quote from who Director General has been 2144 02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:14,790 widely shared. So what is an info demic? An info demic is an 2145 02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:17,550 excessive amount of information about a problem, making it 2146 02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:21,780 difficult to identify a solution during a health emergency, and 2147 02:09:21,780 --> 02:09:24,930 info demic can drown out reliable information and allow 2148 02:09:24,930 --> 02:09:28,350 rumors to spread more easily, impeding an effective public 2149 02:09:28,350 --> 02:09:31,980 health response. Why is it happening now? Information can 2150 02:09:31,980 --> 02:09:35,550 spread faster than a virus. With rapid growth of digital 2151 02:09:35,550 --> 02:09:38,970 communications and social media platforms. information spreads 2152 02:09:38,970 --> 02:09:42,480 fast from online to our physical lives. And how does it affect 2153 02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,930 us? online information can negatively affect our psychology 2154 02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:49,350 daily lives and behaviors worsening the ongoing crisis at 2155 02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:52,470 hand. In food MX make it difficult to recognize accurate 2156 02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:55,200 and reliable information that tells people what preventative 2157 02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:58,200 actions they should take. Some even promote stigma 2158 02:09:58,260 --> 02:10:01,740 discrimination or violence. Therefore, we all play an 2159 02:10:01,740 --> 02:10:04,260 important role to share trustworthy information and 2160 02:10:04,260 --> 02:10:07,770 reduce disinformation. Here are simple actions we can do to 2161 02:10:07,770 --> 02:10:08,940 mitigate the info demic. 2162 02:10:08,969 --> 02:10:11,759 Adam Curry: Oh, get your pen out, you're going to want this 2163 02:10:12,599 --> 02:10:13,199 to pin out. 2164 02:10:13,499 --> 02:10:15,869 Unknown: Look for facts and evidence. Be critical when 2165 02:10:15,869 --> 02:10:18,989 receiving information. Question the source for accuracy and 2166 02:10:18,989 --> 02:10:23,519 evidence compare with other sources to choose carefully, 2167 02:10:23,759 --> 02:10:28,469 share like or forward only content from trusted sources. Be 2168 02:10:28,469 --> 02:10:32,039 cautious, do not reshare forward or like false information you 2169 02:10:32,039 --> 02:10:36,959 know is not true for be a good example. Correct? Or call out 2170 02:10:36,959 --> 02:10:39,389 people in your social networks when they post something untrue. 2171 02:10:41,190 --> 02:10:43,980 Adam Curry: Be a good one. That's wrong. Who are you your 2172 02:10:43,980 --> 02:10:48,240 visa you don't know anything about? That's no good. That's 2173 02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:50,190 exactly what they're encouraging here. 2174 02:10:50,490 --> 02:10:53,160 Unknown: Be a good example. Yeah, correct. Or call out 2175 02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,230 people in your social networks when they post something and 2176 02:10:55,230 --> 02:10:58,770 true. refer them to verify content and expert organizations 2177 02:10:58,770 --> 02:10:59,640 for further input. By 2178 02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:03,030 Adam Curry: the way, it says, quote, call out people who post 2179 02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:06,690 something that may not be true. So just call them out all the 2180 02:11:06,690 --> 02:11:07,590 time. Correct or 2181 02:11:07,590 --> 02:11:09,720 Unknown: call out people in your social networks when they post 2182 02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:12,960 something untrue. refer them to verify content and expert 2183 02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:15,840 organizations for further information Oh expert or five. 2184 02:11:16,230 --> 02:11:19,770 Spend less time online. Only seek latest information at 2185 02:11:19,770 --> 02:11:21,120 specific times of the day, 2186 02:11:21,420 --> 02:11:26,100 Adam Curry: when, like six o'clock news. specific times of 2187 02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:28,380 the day, you know when CNN does their headline news, 2188 02:11:28,769 --> 02:11:32,219 Unknown: spend less time online. Only seek the latest information 2189 02:11:32,219 --> 02:11:35,909 at specific times of the day. Once or twice a day. If needed, 2190 02:11:36,059 --> 02:11:39,389 exercise, listen to music or read a book. This helps to 2191 02:11:39,389 --> 02:11:42,779 maintain good physical and mental health. Together, let's 2192 02:11:42,779 --> 02:11:46,019 combat disinformation and misinformation. Turn the info 2193 02:11:46,019 --> 02:11:49,319 demic into a positive information experience. One that 2194 02:11:49,319 --> 02:11:50,999 promotes facts and science. 2195 02:11:52,230 --> 02:11:55,620 Adam Curry: Okay, promoting facts and science. Thank you 2196 02:11:55,620 --> 02:11:58,230 World Health Organization. It's always good to know that you're 2197 02:11:58,230 --> 02:12:03,990 on our side when it comes to my safety in the info demic is very 2198 02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:08,850 much appreciated. And the news organizations the United States 2199 02:12:08,850 --> 02:12:12,210 have taken this to heart they have lusted to launch or they 2200 02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:17,340 have the Tni the trusted news initiative. And they have 2201 02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:23,520 another initiative of their own as they are setting up a shared 2202 02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:29,910 early warning system of rapid alerts to combat the spread of 2203 02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:33,540 disinformation during the upcoming US presidential 2204 02:12:33,570 --> 02:12:34,200 election. 2205 02:12:34,980 --> 02:12:39,000 John C. Dvorak: No doubt okay, this got down to the brass tacks 2206 02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:40,200 here. This is about Trump. 2207 02:12:40,230 --> 02:12:42,690 Adam Curry: Here we go. The Associated Press and the 2208 02:12:42,690 --> 02:12:46,650 Washington Post or the latest Sinese to the trusted news 2209 02:12:46,650 --> 02:12:50,520 initiative and industry collaboration of major news and 2210 02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:54,840 global tech organizations set up last year to stop the spread of 2211 02:12:54,840 --> 02:13:02,280 disinformation. T and I partners include AFP, BBC CBC, radio 2212 02:13:02,280 --> 02:13:05,760 Canada, European Broadcasting Union Facebook, the Financial 2213 02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:11,010 Times, first draft, Google YouTube, the Hindu Microsoft 2214 02:13:11,100 --> 02:13:14,250 Reuters Reuters Institute for the Study of journalism, 2215 02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:21,810 Twitter, and the Wall Street Journal. Oh my oh my. In the 2216 02:13:21,810 --> 02:13:25,110 month leading to polling day T and AI partners will alert each 2217 02:13:25,140 --> 02:13:28,350 other to disinformation that poses an immediate threat to 2218 02:13:28,350 --> 02:13:32,040 life or to the integrity of the election. So the content can be 2219 02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:35,970 reviewed promptly by platforms while publishers and serve to 2220 02:13:35,970 --> 02:13:41,070 ensure they don't unwittingly republish dangerous falsehoods. 2221 02:13:43,020 --> 02:13:43,650 You want more? 2222 02:13:44,700 --> 02:13:47,820 John C. Dvorak: No brother, the alert to join, but you don't 2223 02:13:47,820 --> 02:13:48,510 want to keep reading 2224 02:13:48,540 --> 02:13:51,330 Adam Curry: The alerts will also flag content that undermines 2225 02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:54,720 trust in TNA partners by identifying 2226 02:13:54,990 --> 02:13:56,070 John C. Dvorak: that there goes us 2227 02:13:58,110 --> 02:14:01,710 Adam Curry: here we are ready? This is his here's us in a 2228 02:14:01,710 --> 02:14:07,230 nutshell. Oh my goodness, I can't believe these people. The 2229 02:14:07,230 --> 02:14:11,310 alerts will also flag content that undermines trust in the 2230 02:14:11,310 --> 02:14:15,510 trust Network Initiative partners by identifying imposter 2231 02:14:15,660 --> 02:14:19,200 or manipulated content that purport to come from trusted 2232 02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:25,770 news brands. Oh, it comes at no agenda show. Those guys are not 2233 02:14:25,770 --> 02:14:31,410 trustworthy. To achieve this tea and I will deploy verification 2234 02:14:31,410 --> 02:14:37,920 technology called Project Origin from not orange origin, led by a 2235 02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:39,870 coalition although it should have been orange it would have 2236 02:14:39,870 --> 02:14:44,160 been funnier, led by a coalition of the BBC CBC Radio Canada 2237 02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:47,460 Microsoft in the New York Times when a digital watermark is 2238 02:14:47,460 --> 02:14:51,060 attached to media originating from authentic content creators 2239 02:14:51,150 --> 02:14:54,990 and can provide an automated signal warning of manipulated or 2240 02:14:54,990 --> 02:14:55,890 fake media 2241 02:14:55,890 --> 02:14:58,980 John C. Dvorak: is Microsoft God when did it when did it become a 2242 02:14:58,980 --> 02:15:01,290 trusted news? Whose organization? 2243 02:15:02,669 --> 02:15:07,709 Adam Curry: Well, MSN I think is still one of those 2244 02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:10,860 John C. Dvorak: MSN it's not even in business anymore. Now 2245 02:15:10,860 --> 02:15:10,950 the 2246 02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:15,569 Adam Curry: MSN msn.com is quite a big news site, and I believe 2247 02:15:15,569 --> 02:15:16,109 the 2248 02:15:16,230 --> 02:15:20,190 John C. Dvorak: bunch of gossip and and click bait. I was that 2249 02:15:20,190 --> 02:15:27,360 trusted? Well, so I'll let me go to msn.com. Yes. And let's just 2250 02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:30,450 look at some of the stuff on msn.com. But I think you're 2251 02:15:30,450 --> 02:15:32,880 missing the point. And while you're looking at well, I'm 2252 02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:39,420 always missing the point. But come on. I'm looking@msn.com. 2253 02:15:40,500 --> 02:15:43,830 Colorado gov National Testing scene is a disgrace. 2254 02:15:45,570 --> 02:15:49,530 Adam Curry: Here's why I think it may be important to have 2255 02:15:49,530 --> 02:15:53,250 Microsoft in there. This is the default page, I believe that 2256 02:15:53,250 --> 02:15:57,480 comes up with the new Chrome browser and the new 2257 02:15:58,980 --> 02:16:01,080 John C. Dvorak: with Chrome, I know it comes up with explorer 2258 02:16:01,140 --> 02:16:01,530 or no I 2259 02:16:01,530 --> 02:16:04,650 Adam Curry: mean, the edge edge edge edge is Chrome. Yeah, it's 2260 02:16:04,650 --> 02:16:09,570 the new Chrome browser so called Edge. I'm pretty sure that 2261 02:16:09,570 --> 02:16:15,600 Microsoft tracks every living click and view that you do on 2262 02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:20,070 your computer and that is going into this Tni network. There's a 2263 02:16:20,070 --> 02:16:23,460 trackers Microsoft is the biggest offender they know every 2264 02:16:23,460 --> 02:16:25,920 single story that people are reading because they track it 2265 02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:26,340 all. 2266 02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:29,520 John C. Dvorak: I see. Okay, so but as I just trusted news, we 2267 02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:34,080 have stories like how to entirely empty your gut every 2268 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:38,370 morning top surgeon explains how the wedding photographer 2269 02:16:38,370 --> 02:16:40,560 captured these this photo. This 2270 02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:43,859 Adam Curry: must be this must be customized for you. I don't have 2271 02:16:43,859 --> 02:16:47,969 these stories on my MSN. Yeah, you do. Oh, I'm looking at I 2272 02:16:47,969 --> 02:16:50,069 John C. Dvorak: have you not customized by me. I go through a 2273 02:16:50,069 --> 02:16:53,399 VPN 90% of the time. Yeah, but they're still tracking you 2274 02:16:53,399 --> 02:16:58,259 Amazon shoppers love the $16 sunvisor that can be rolled up 2275 02:16:58,259 --> 02:17:00,479 for easy storage. Listen, 2276 02:17:00,779 --> 02:17:03,149 Adam Curry: I know I didn't get the How to empty your gut in the 2277 02:17:03,149 --> 02:17:05,819 morning. That's got to be news for you. That's not for me. 2278 02:17:07,980 --> 02:17:10,380 John C. Dvorak: Anyone can go to the I got to newest of these 2279 02:17:10,680 --> 02:17:14,970 msn.com Go to msn.com start scrolling down. Yeah, it goes 2280 02:17:14,970 --> 02:17:18,030 down for a decade. You can go down and down and down. It keeps 2281 02:17:18,030 --> 02:17:18,390 going. 2282 02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:21,450 Adam Curry: Okay, I got Britney Spears. All right. 2283 02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:24,599 John C. Dvorak: Okay. So that's for you. That's that that is 2284 02:17:24,599 --> 02:17:25,469 that is for me. That 2285 02:17:25,469 --> 02:17:27,629 Adam Curry: is yes. Customized because I follow her on Twitter, 2286 02:17:27,659 --> 02:17:32,579 too. Anyway. You're right. This is obviously the orange Bad Man 2287 02:17:32,609 --> 02:17:37,379 Network. And then something comes out. The alert signal goes 2288 02:17:37,379 --> 02:17:40,439 off and everyone can post their disclaimer on it so that it 2289 02:17:40,439 --> 02:17:44,729 doesn't gain traction and go viral. It's pathetic. 2290 02:17:44,910 --> 02:17:47,970 John C. Dvorak: The O M B network. We're going to use that 2291 02:17:47,970 --> 02:17:50,400 somebody needs to give us a big deep voice somebody with one of 2292 02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:51,150 those voices. 2293 02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:52,140 Adam Curry: That's Darren O'Neill 2294 02:17:52,139 --> 02:17:56,699 John C. Dvorak: you're listening to the O M B network pod. Orange 2295 02:17:56,699 --> 02:17:57,839 Man bad 2296 02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:05,880 Adam Curry: one second. You know, whenever you come up with 2297 02:18:06,180 --> 02:18:09,960 an idea like this, the thing that you want to do is go get 2298 02:18:09,960 --> 02:18:14,700 the the URL is what I'm trying to do right now. Won't be 2299 02:18:14,700 --> 02:18:18,540 network.com has taken crap. There you go. I can get the 2300 02:18:18,540 --> 02:18:21,870 dotnet but who cares? Yeah, okay. Nobody wants to die what 2301 02:18:21,870 --> 02:18:23,370 it wants to it's not worth anything. 2302 02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:27,210 John C. Dvorak: Here's another one on this on this page. Each 2303 02:18:27,210 --> 02:18:31,350 state hilariously depicted by one photo. 2304 02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:36,450 Adam Curry: Brother, what do you want to talk about now? Because 2305 02:18:36,450 --> 02:18:37,290 I, 2306 02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:40,560 John C. Dvorak: I want to hear I teased it in the newsletter I 2307 02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:43,169 Adam Curry: was worried about that you made. I said I got on 2308 02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:47,279 the last show. I said I got some good clips. For Robin D'Angelo. 2309 02:18:47,339 --> 02:18:51,209 All of a sudden, Adams didn't take her down. She won't walk 2310 02:18:51,569 --> 02:18:54,779 back in the street anymore. Oh my god, this should be 2311 02:18:54,779 --> 02:19:00,089 entertaining. And it was like, whoa, okay. Thanks, bro Sif. Now 2312 02:19:00,089 --> 02:19:02,999 I have to make something out of my two clips. 2313 02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:06,359 John C. Dvorak: You know, I had to do that because I had that 2314 02:19:06,359 --> 02:19:07,979 great picture of her. 2315 02:19:08,250 --> 02:19:11,640 Adam Curry: It really screwed me on that one. But I'm gonna get 2316 02:19:11,640 --> 02:19:16,680 you because I did the work. So you got to do the work. I don't 2317 02:19:16,680 --> 02:19:22,380 care what I did there. Okay. To bring everybody back up to 2318 02:19:22,380 --> 02:19:25,500 speed. If you've not heard of white fragility, the book by 2319 02:19:25,500 --> 02:19:30,540 Robin D'Angelo which is is unfired as the number one I 2320 02:19:30,540 --> 02:19:32,520 think a New York Times bestseller list is probably 2321 02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:36,480 still in the top three of Amazon. It's raking in the 2322 02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:42,270 dough. She learned her trade at some prestigious universities 2323 02:19:42,510 --> 02:19:46,920 and has tenure and has gone out and into the corporate world has 2324 02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:54,870 become a go to person for diversity training, eco equality 2325 02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:57,540 and diversity training, which has been going on for a long 2326 02:19:57,540 --> 02:20:00,930 time. But now there's finally one book that pops to the top of 2327 02:20:00,930 --> 02:20:04,410 the stack. And it's hers. And I'll just briefly give you the 2328 02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:07,500 premise the way I see it. If you read this book, which I have 2329 02:20:07,500 --> 02:20:11,790 done, you're immediately going to recognize a lot of things, 2330 02:20:12,060 --> 02:20:14,910 which you have is purely ignorance, you haven't thought 2331 02:20:14,910 --> 02:20:18,090 about people's lives, because different cultures, just 2332 02:20:18,090 --> 02:20:21,960 different people, because we're not all one homogenous mass, 2333 02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:25,680 although that's clearly what you would like. And the solution to 2334 02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:29,430 these horrible feelings you will now have after reading the book, 2335 02:20:29,610 --> 02:20:33,180 is that you have to atone for your whiteness for the rest of 2336 02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:37,050 your life. And no one else Oh, no one else can be racist, only 2337 02:20:37,050 --> 02:20:41,730 the white person can be racist. And I'll even go that far with 2338 02:20:41,730 --> 02:20:46,530 you on your social justice tip. But there's no end you cannot 2339 02:20:46,530 --> 02:20:51,900 you have to always be doing the work, as we established on the 2340 02:20:51,900 --> 02:20:55,530 previous episode about a week ago, that doing the work is the 2341 02:20:55,530 --> 02:20:58,410 code. If you are reading the book, you're doing the work. 2342 02:20:58,470 --> 02:21:00,570 Even if you're not reading the book, you're doing the work, you 2343 02:21:00,570 --> 02:21:02,610 say you're doing the work because then people shut up 2344 02:21:02,610 --> 02:21:06,360 because it's alright, he's doing the work. I thought I'd bring in 2345 02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:10,860 Matt Taibbi with a quick two parter, as he does his he did an 2346 02:21:10,860 --> 02:21:15,030 excellent deconstruction of the book on his on his stack, 2347 02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:18,930 stacks, stack suite, whatever that thing is called, wherever 2348 02:21:18,930 --> 02:21:22,650 he, you can subscribe and pay for his articles. This was him 2349 02:21:22,650 --> 02:21:26,430 on an interview. And we'll start with what the book recommends. 2350 02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:29,580 Unknown: So it's funny if you if you took parts of the book and 2351 02:21:29,580 --> 02:21:33,510 just looked at the areas where she's trying to bring the 2352 02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:37,680 attention of white people, to structural inequities to 2353 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,930 different kinds of situations that they might not be aware of. 2354 02:21:39,930 --> 02:21:43,710 Because being white, you you're raised this situation, we are 2355 02:21:43,740 --> 02:21:46,710 simply not aware of certain factors, all those things very 2356 02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:51,330 positive. The problem is she has this other she she wrapped up in 2357 02:21:51,330 --> 02:21:54,060 this all encompassing theory that basically says that the 2358 02:21:54,750 --> 02:21:58,680 people are defined by their race, or by the perception of 2359 02:21:58,680 --> 02:22:02,850 their race, that these categories are inflexible, and 2360 02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:10,440 that the only thing you can hope to do to combat the prop ongoing 2361 02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:14,760 problem of racism is to relentlessly focus on race and 2362 02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:19,110 commit to a lifelong program of striving to be less white, which 2363 02:22:19,440 --> 02:22:24,570 is there's it's a very strange theology, which is, I guess, 2364 02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:28,620 becoming sort of academic mainstream now. But the book 2365 02:22:28,620 --> 02:22:31,710 itself has a lot of very odd theories connected to some 2366 02:22:31,710 --> 02:22:34,410 pretty uncontroversial and positive theories. 2367 02:22:35,220 --> 02:22:37,410 Adam Curry: That's exactly the way I felt it's like, okay, you 2368 02:22:37,410 --> 02:22:39,450 know, there's a lot of interesting stuff there about 2369 02:22:40,680 --> 02:22:44,880 racism that you're not aware of, or just ignorance, really. And 2370 02:22:45,420 --> 02:22:49,920 what it misses is the whole nepotism angle. However, she is, 2371 02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:53,790 as we identified part of a movement that has been around 2372 02:22:53,790 --> 02:22:57,660 for a long time, that is the EDI training and consultants scam. 2373 02:22:57,660 --> 02:22:57,840 This 2374 02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:01,290 Unknown: is the racism problem as seen through the lens of 2375 02:23:01,290 --> 02:23:05,640 somebody who makes 1000s of dollars an hour, being hired by 2376 02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:09,630 companies to address normally it's to address an internal 2377 02:23:09,630 --> 02:23:13,050 toxicity issue. So that what they do is they bring in these 2378 02:23:13,050 --> 02:23:16,680 people who come from, you know, various academic outposts, and 2379 02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:19,560 they bring teams in and they have trainings where they 2380 02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:24,690 facilitate anti racism, dialogues, and employees are 2381 02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:27,690 sort of herded into these trainings and forced to listen 2382 02:23:27,690 --> 02:23:31,080 to these speeches. And that's the lens through which her 2383 02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:34,710 theories come. It's this is how corporate America views the race 2384 02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:39,210 problem of use it as an individual issue, that we're 2385 02:23:39,210 --> 02:23:43,200 racism is sort of inexorably stuck in all of us. And the only 2386 02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:46,440 way that we can combat it is through relentlessly listening 2387 02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:51,360 to corporate consultants tell us how to fight it. And that's 2388 02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:55,380 that's the irony here is that I think what the ultimate the the 2389 02:23:55,380 --> 02:23:58,410 problem with this book, ultimately, is that this is the 2390 02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:02,280 corporate vision of how to tackle racism. It's just just to 2391 02:24:02,280 --> 02:24:07,020 hire people like this, to run through every company and search 2392 02:24:07,020 --> 02:24:09,900 out racism in every corner, which could mean 1000 Different 2393 02:24:09,900 --> 02:24:12,000 things that aren't necessarily good. 2394 02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:18,240 Adam Curry: And as I looked into, you know, some of Robin de 2395 02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:24,660 Angelo's peers, this is, this is really quite a big industry and 2396 02:24:24,660 --> 02:24:30,150 the Smithsonian Institute, set up a whole separate website 2397 02:24:30,390 --> 02:24:35,520 dedicated to whiteness, and the problem of whiteness in America. 2398 02:24:35,700 --> 02:24:39,030 And I was kind of chuckling because someone emailed a 2399 02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:42,600 graphic from the website, which actually this graphic has since 2400 02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:45,450 been removed from the website, but it's in the show notes. And 2401 02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:47,400 you didn't know because it was no context. You didn't know 2402 02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:52,560 where it came from, either as the n m a c h, which is the 2403 02:24:52,620 --> 02:24:56,070 natural Museum of African American whiteness or something, 2404 02:24:56,430 --> 02:24:59,850 but it's part of the Smithsonian Institute on their website and 2405 02:24:59,850 --> 02:25:02,970 this pamphlet used, he said, This is crazy who would put this 2406 02:25:02,970 --> 02:25:06,330 out? And it was the aspects and assumptions of whiteness and 2407 02:25:06,330 --> 02:25:10,680 white culture in the United States. Yeah, well, so this is a 2408 02:25:10,680 --> 02:25:13,380 real thing. It's from the Smithsonian Institute on their 2409 02:25:13,380 --> 02:25:19,380 website. And it's, it's really interesting to see how they view 2410 02:25:20,190 --> 02:25:24,870 what they call American whiteness. And it's like, if you 2411 02:25:25,170 --> 02:25:29,490 stuff that just like used to be an American, for an example, and 2412 02:25:29,490 --> 02:25:33,090 I maybe I'm way out of touch Boomer possible, but under the 2413 02:25:33,090 --> 02:25:37,350 heading competition, American whiteness consists of being 2414 02:25:37,350 --> 02:25:41,490 number one win at all costs, winner loser dichotomy, action 2415 02:25:41,490 --> 02:25:46,080 orientation, Master and control nature must always do something 2416 02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:50,100 about a situation aggressiveness and extraversion, decision 2417 02:25:50,100 --> 02:25:54,090 making and majority rules, but only when whites have power. I 2418 02:25:54,090 --> 02:26:00,300 mean, it's really a very sick view of race. It really is. It's 2419 02:26:00,300 --> 02:26:04,020 just very little to do with the race. Thank you. family 2420 02:26:04,020 --> 02:26:08,370 structure of whiteness, the nuclear family father, mother, 2421 02:26:08,370 --> 02:26:12,360 2.3 children is the ideal social unit. That's kind of ideal to 2422 02:26:12,360 --> 02:26:14,910 keep our whole damn country alive and growing. But okay, 2423 02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:18,810 husband is breadwinner and Head of Household wife is homemaker 2424 02:26:18,810 --> 02:26:22,710 and subordinate to the husband. Children should have 2425 02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:24,630 John C. Dvorak: own when is that ever been? 2426 02:26:24,930 --> 02:26:30,930 Adam Curry: Well, according to the Smithsonian. It's okay. It's 2427 02:26:30,930 --> 02:26:33,960 the National Museum of African American History and Culture. 2428 02:26:34,290 --> 02:26:38,340 That's the nm a HC. And that is part of the Smithsonian 2429 02:26:38,340 --> 02:26:39,900 Institute. I found it 2430 02:26:39,900 --> 02:26:43,620 John C. Dvorak: rather insulting sheet of paper, but it's also 2431 02:26:43,620 --> 02:26:46,890 like some of the things that are very positive they put into a 2432 02:26:46,890 --> 02:26:49,620 negative light. I find that yes, very disturbing. 2433 02:26:49,650 --> 02:26:53,670 Adam Curry: Yeah. It likes American type kind of things. 2434 02:26:53,940 --> 02:26:56,820 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. So it will like to work for you know, they 2435 02:26:56,850 --> 02:26:58,050 work for money. They'd like 2436 02:26:58,050 --> 02:27:04,140 Adam Curry: to win but Well, yeah. Anyway, so but on this 2437 02:27:04,500 --> 02:27:09,090 website, there's an entire section of books for you to do 2438 02:27:09,090 --> 02:27:14,490 the work with and videos and front and center. Right there is 2439 02:27:14,490 --> 02:27:18,840 our girl, Robin D'Angelo and I had to pull a few clips just so 2440 02:27:18,840 --> 02:27:22,650 you can understand she's standing in a in a clearly a 2441 02:27:22,650 --> 02:27:25,530 set, but kind of like a it's supposed to look a little grungy 2442 02:27:25,530 --> 02:27:28,620 with a splash of color in the background is kind of a 2443 02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:32,370 industrial looking thing. I guess it's a choice with some 2444 02:27:33,090 --> 02:27:36,750 like purplish lighting, reddish, purplish colorblind, but I can 2445 02:27:36,750 --> 02:27:41,460 tell something was weird with it. And here is her intro to her 2446 02:27:41,460 --> 02:27:42,240 whiteness. 2447 02:27:42,270 --> 02:27:45,300 Unknown: I'm Dr. Robin D'Angelo, and my work focuses on the 2448 02:27:45,300 --> 02:27:48,390 question of what does it mean to be white in a society that 2449 02:27:48,390 --> 02:27:52,740 proclaims race meaningless, it is profoundly separated by race. 2450 02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:55,530 And to start this off, I want to draw your attention to the fact 2451 02:27:55,560 --> 02:27:59,040 that I'm white. So just look at me for a moment, think about it, 2452 02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:02,430 notice it. And part of being white is that is a very 2453 02:28:02,460 --> 02:28:04,200 uncomfortable thing for me to do. 2454 02:28:04,470 --> 02:28:06,960 Adam Curry: And I should mention that I believe this to be her 2455 02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:10,740 standard speech. This is probably what she does inside 2456 02:28:10,740 --> 02:28:13,740 companies, because it's so easy flowing for her. I'm sure that 2457 02:28:13,740 --> 02:28:16,560 this is how she starts her $12,000 These 2458 02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:18,990 John C. Dvorak: sorts of things. This all stemmed back to the 2459 02:28:18,990 --> 02:28:22,500 sensitivity training days of the 60s. And he went on and on went 2460 02:28:22,500 --> 02:28:26,670 through asked, these things are extremely, not only well 2461 02:28:26,670 --> 02:28:30,480 rehearsed, but they're designed to elicit a certain kind of 2462 02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:36,690 emotional response as she does them. These are very slick, 2463 02:28:36,750 --> 02:28:41,310 subversive seminars, if you go into one with the right 2464 02:28:41,340 --> 02:28:45,030 attitude, you can, you can actually actually understand 2465 02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:46,860 what's going on, you can actually get something out of 2466 02:28:46,860 --> 02:28:50,370 it. But generally speaking, they're designed to subvert the 2467 02:28:50,520 --> 02:28:51,960 and confuse the person, 2468 02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:54,420 Adam Curry: I would say, This is so good. And there's and there's 2469 02:28:54,420 --> 02:28:57,360 specific reasons for it, maybe even specific American reasons 2470 02:28:57,360 --> 02:29:02,040 for it. It is so good, because you have to agree with a lot of 2471 02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:04,890 what she's saying. And you really do get sucked in. But 2472 02:29:04,890 --> 02:29:07,200 then when it comes to the payoff, which is you're gonna 2473 02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,720 need me for the rest of your life is kind of sick. 2474 02:29:09,900 --> 02:29:12,330 Unknown: And it's taken me many, many years to be able to draw 2475 02:29:12,330 --> 02:29:15,360 people's attention to my race and see any significance in it. 2476 02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:18,810 And that's because as a white person, I was socialized to see 2477 02:29:18,810 --> 02:29:23,550 race as what they had. I was just a person. I was just a 2478 02:29:23,550 --> 02:29:27,270 white bread or Heinz 57 I didn't have race. 2479 02:29:28,980 --> 02:29:30,600 Heights. 57 2480 02:29:32,370 --> 02:29:35,730 Adam Curry: Do you understand that? Yeah, well, how was Heinz 2481 02:29:35,730 --> 02:29:38,940 57 How does that equate whiteness? 2482 02:29:39,720 --> 02:29:42,570 John C. Dvorak: It's like white bread. You should it would have 2483 02:29:42,570 --> 02:29:45,450 been a better example, but Heinz 57 She used for some reason I'm 2484 02:29:45,450 --> 02:29:48,990 not sure what. But it's a it's to it's to make it's like 2485 02:29:48,990 --> 02:29:52,410 something everyday product commonplace. It's all over the 2486 02:29:52,410 --> 02:29:56,820 place. It's not a big deal. Almost generic. Generic 2487 02:29:56,820 --> 02:29:59,640 borderlines not quite generic. 2488 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,010 Adam Curry: lunch in America, we can put up a brand 2489 02:30:02,010 --> 02:30:02,490 John C. Dvorak: name. 2490 02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:07,200 Unknown: I was socialized to see race as individual acts of 2491 02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:11,070 discrimination and prejudiced individual acts that anybody 2492 02:30:11,070 --> 02:30:15,210 could do to anybody else. And if you did those acts, you were a 2493 02:30:15,210 --> 02:30:17,850 bad person. And that is why since I saw, 2494 02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:19,740 John C. Dvorak: you have to stop that and back it up. 2495 02:30:20,220 --> 02:30:22,530 Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. I'm waiting for you. Yes. She 2496 02:30:22,530 --> 02:30:26,820 John C. Dvorak: said I was designed to see race. Yeah. Oh, 2497 02:30:26,820 --> 02:30:30,300 yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, now she Okay. Well, this is another 2498 02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:33,270 trick they use. Yep. This is where you use one word where 2499 02:30:33,270 --> 02:30:36,840 another word is the right word. You use the wrong word. She uses 2500 02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:40,140 Grace instead of racism. She should have said I was. I mean, 2501 02:30:40,350 --> 02:30:43,950 I know she's doing this for a reason. This is all part of us. 2502 02:30:44,100 --> 02:30:48,000 This is all 100. What do you call it? Neuro Linguistic 2503 02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:52,200 Programming at some level. Yeah. And so she's doing this because 2504 02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:54,990 it does. It screws up your brain when she says I've designed to 2505 02:30:54,990 --> 02:31:00,600 see race as an act, when a race is a thing. And racism is the 2506 02:31:00,600 --> 02:31:03,120 act. But she doesn't use race. She does that for a purpose. 2507 02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:06,810 This is very purposeful. And I want to mention that we do have 2508 02:31:06,810 --> 02:31:11,430 one listeners about to take this training. She didn't listen, 2509 02:31:11,430 --> 02:31:15,600 she's a producer. She didn't want to do it. And I had to talk 2510 02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:18,870 her off the ledge until you got to do it. Get the paperwork, you 2511 02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:21,960 got to report back, you gotta write an essay. Yes, for the 2512 02:31:21,960 --> 02:31:29,010 cosmic weenie. And part of the love to hear this thing because 2513 02:31:29,010 --> 02:31:31,080 I could deconstruct this woman in a minute 2514 02:31:31,110 --> 02:31:33,030 Adam Curry: in there. Well, there's a little bit more for 2515 02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:37,050 you. And of course, a new member of the trust Network Initiative 2516 02:31:37,050 --> 02:31:39,750 is cosmic weenie, we welcome them. I was 2517 02:31:39,750 --> 02:31:43,320 Unknown: socialized to see race as individual acts of 2518 02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:47,220 discrimination and prejudiced individual acts that anybody 2519 02:31:47,220 --> 02:31:51,360 could do to anybody else. And if you did those acts, you were a 2520 02:31:51,360 --> 02:31:54,810 bad person. And that is why since I saw myself as a good 2521 02:31:54,810 --> 02:31:59,160 person, I didn't see myself as connected to racism, and 2522 02:31:59,160 --> 02:32:02,010 certainly didn't see myself as connected to race. In other 2523 02:32:02,010 --> 02:32:06,000 words, I didn't have a sense of a racial identity. Today, I 2524 02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:09,570 understand that I move through the world always. And most 2525 02:32:09,570 --> 02:32:13,260 particularly, as a white person, I have a white frame of 2526 02:32:13,260 --> 02:32:17,520 reference, and I have a white experience. And part of being 2527 02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:20,940 white is to have that be invisible to us and to be able 2528 02:32:20,940 --> 02:32:25,080 to live our lives without ever acknowledging that, to see that 2529 02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:26,520 as non operative. 2530 02:32:28,410 --> 02:32:30,090 Adam Curry: Okay, any comments or 2531 02:32:30,090 --> 02:32:32,790 John C. Dvorak: operative? Move on to the next everything she's 2532 02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:35,220 doing? It's just old school asked. 2533 02:32:35,310 --> 02:32:38,610 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, you'll love this next one and stuff. I 2534 02:32:38,610 --> 02:32:41,640 John C. Dvorak: mean, it would be an I like to I mean, I'm 2535 02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:44,310 familiar with the models, because I actually took a 2536 02:32:44,460 --> 02:32:49,080 psychology course a cow, that disgust sensitivity training and 2537 02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:52,140 made us go through a lot of it, so we could understand it. And 2538 02:32:52,140 --> 02:32:55,080 then when s came out, you know, it's just so obvious what was 2539 02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:59,460 going on as a brainwashing scheme. Mostly to get you to 2540 02:32:59,460 --> 02:33:03,630 keep them keep giving them money. Is this kind of proto 2541 02:33:03,630 --> 02:33:07,320 sales pitch for? I don't know, what is this like a religion? 2542 02:33:07,650 --> 02:33:13,710 And? Yes, yes, she's doing the same thing. And it's like a it's 2543 02:33:13,710 --> 02:33:15,510 a religion, it's become a religion. That's why people get 2544 02:33:15,510 --> 02:33:19,080 so adamant about it. And they get all pissed off if you if 2545 02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:24,750 your question Oh, or Yeah, I bring brings back a lot of 2546 02:33:24,750 --> 02:33:27,360 memories. I would love to go into this with someone who used 2547 02:33:27,360 --> 02:33:31,290 to be an S trainer, if I knew anyone. I know a couple people 2548 02:33:31,290 --> 02:33:33,960 that were into it. But an S trainer who knew what they were 2549 02:33:33,960 --> 02:33:37,950 doing would be, I'd love to go to one of the seminars with 2550 02:33:37,950 --> 02:33:38,430 them. 2551 02:33:40,290 --> 02:33:42,240 Adam Curry: Because you brought it up, I'm skipping I'm going to 2552 02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:45,480 play a clip out of my typical sequence from James Lindsay. 2553 02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:49,470 James Lindsay was one of the people who submitted all those 2554 02:33:49,470 --> 02:33:55,500 fake papers, if you recall, peer to the peer review process, and 2555 02:33:55,500 --> 02:34:00,510 it was stuff like dog homosexuality amongst dogs and 2556 02:34:00,510 --> 02:34:02,190 all this kind of stuff. You remember that? We played a 2557 02:34:02,190 --> 02:34:05,610 couple of clips from it was vaguely Yeah, and these and 2558 02:34:05,610 --> 02:34:08,790 these were all peer reviewed, like great paper. Fantastic. You 2559 02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:12,060 know, really understand that it's lovely. There's a term for 2560 02:34:12,060 --> 02:34:15,960 this. Were what you were just describing how people get all in 2561 02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:17,790 on it. And he mentioned it, there's actually 2562 02:34:17,790 --> 02:34:21,870 Unknown: a religious form of OCD, just called scrupulosity. 2563 02:34:22,530 --> 02:34:26,310 It's very common in games. It's not to Yeah, does it sounds like 2564 02:34:26,310 --> 02:34:30,090 something like that? No, the deal is that it's religious OCD, 2565 02:34:30,090 --> 02:34:33,450 where basically you feel like you haven't, you haven't 2566 02:34:33,450 --> 02:34:36,990 resolved your own complicity and sin correctly, and therefore 2567 02:34:36,990 --> 02:34:40,620 you're you're bound for the hellfire. Right, and it's 2568 02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:43,110 actually super common in Catholics. It's somewhat common 2569 02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:45,720 in Mormons and you sometimes see it in the stricter variants of 2570 02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:49,620 Calvinism, and I don't know it probably shows up in Islam as 2571 02:34:49,620 --> 02:34:53,940 well. I actually just don't know on that. But it is a form of OCD 2572 02:34:53,940 --> 02:34:56,850 where you're trying to like out damned spot Lady Macbeth 2573 02:34:56,850 --> 02:35:00,990 yourself for your complicity in sin. And I think The Angelou 2574 02:35:00,990 --> 02:35:06,420 whose mother was a lapsed nun, who went on to become a leftist 2575 02:35:06,420 --> 02:35:11,760 social activist. I do think that D'Angelo isn't even a real last 2576 02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:20,070 name, has has exhibit a rather strong case of scoop velocity 2577 02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:24,330 into read white fragility is basically 157, or eight page 2578 02:35:24,330 --> 02:35:29,280 confession of that. And then projection of it onto all white 2579 02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:29,790 people, 2580 02:35:30,060 --> 02:35:32,790 Adam Curry: scoop velocity, I was not familiar with the term. 2581 02:35:33,420 --> 02:35:33,840 I never 2582 02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:36,810 John C. Dvorak: heard that term. And when I first heard it, I 2583 02:35:36,810 --> 02:35:43,320 thought he said, screw ball acity. Which is what? It's the 2584 02:35:43,320 --> 02:35:44,070 same thing 2585 02:35:44,370 --> 02:35:48,000 Adam Curry: Scroop velocity, but it's, I think it's and maybe 2586 02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:51,420 that's something that's built into the into the old school, 2587 02:35:51,420 --> 02:35:56,340 Judeo Christian nature of Americans very much the way the 2588 02:35:56,340 --> 02:36:00,390 new Germans always have a version of Scroop velocity. 2589 02:36:00,990 --> 02:36:05,370 Because if you're anything the Germans like, come on anybody, 2590 02:36:05,430 --> 02:36:07,590 your immigrants come on, in no problem, because they have 2591 02:36:07,650 --> 02:36:12,870 severe guilt over World War Two. And that's, it's gonna take 2592 02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:17,010 another generation or two before that may go away. So there may 2593 02:36:17,010 --> 02:36:19,680 be something in certainly the American psyche that you can 2594 02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:23,940 play to, then that consider that guilt that you can just just tap 2595 02:36:23,940 --> 02:36:26,970 into whenever you want to. And that guilt is obviously the 2596 02:36:26,970 --> 02:36:27,720 whiteness, 2597 02:36:27,720 --> 02:36:30,600 Unknown: I'm going to repeat that because I think it's very 2598 02:36:30,600 --> 02:36:34,560 profound. And I really want us to sit with it. 2599 02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:38,730 Adam Curry: I love that this is this is such a training term, I 2600 02:36:38,730 --> 02:36:41,820 just want you to sit with that for a moment, I just want you to 2601 02:36:41,820 --> 02:36:44,460 sit for a moment about how white you are, 2602 02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:47,850 Unknown: that I can live my whole life in segregation. In 2603 02:36:47,850 --> 02:36:51,840 fact, if I follow the trajectory that my loving parents laid out 2604 02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:55,620 for me, in my good neighborhood, and my good school, and my good 2605 02:36:55,620 --> 02:37:00,120 college, and my good career, in which I would ideally rise to 2606 02:37:00,120 --> 02:37:06,030 the top, I could easily never have any consistent, ongoing, 2607 02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:10,170 authentic relationships with people of color, and not one 2608 02:37:10,170 --> 02:37:14,460 person who guided me ever conveyed, that there was loss. 2609 02:37:14,610 --> 02:37:14,700 And 2610 02:37:15,150 --> 02:37:18,150 Adam Curry: I want you to just sit with that for a moment. Just 2611 02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:21,600 sit with that for a second. And even better, I'd like to, I'd 2612 02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:26,610 like to take you inside of it inside your evil white skin. 2613 02:37:26,970 --> 02:37:30,600 Unknown: And I want to take us deeper I want to take us inside 2614 02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:35,100 this skin. My psychosocial development was inculcated in 2615 02:37:35,100 --> 02:37:38,940 the water of white supremacy, that is what I call this system. 2616 02:37:39,330 --> 02:37:45,060 I don't mean the kk k, I mean, a system in which whiteness and 2617 02:37:45,060 --> 02:37:49,740 white people are central, and seen as inherently superior than 2618 02:37:49,800 --> 02:37:53,640 to people of color. My personality was formed in that 2619 02:37:53,640 --> 02:37:57,360 water, my worldview was formed in that water, I didn't choose 2620 02:37:57,360 --> 02:38:01,890 it, it isn't my fault. I'm not wracked with guilt about it. But 2621 02:38:01,890 --> 02:38:06,090 I am responsible for changing it. Because the default of our 2622 02:38:06,090 --> 02:38:09,480 society is the reproduction of racism, it's built into every 2623 02:38:09,480 --> 02:38:13,530 system and every institution. And if we just live our lives 2624 02:38:13,530 --> 02:38:16,620 and carry on in the most comfortable ways for us, we will 2625 02:38:16,620 --> 02:38:22,320 necessarily reproduce it. There is no neutral space, inaction is 2626 02:38:22,350 --> 02:38:23,580 a form of action. 2627 02:38:25,170 --> 02:38:29,130 Adam Curry: Silence is violence it all comes together. 2628 02:38:29,820 --> 02:38:31,920 John C. Dvorak: This is another thing you do this is another 2629 02:38:32,130 --> 02:38:37,050 brain scrambling exercise the dollars you wear, you use these 2630 02:38:37,140 --> 02:38:41,880 DS you know, inaction is a form or action is a form of inaction 2631 02:38:41,880 --> 02:38:46,380 action. inaction is a form of action. Yeah, silence is violent 2632 02:38:46,380 --> 02:38:49,410 actions. A form of action is the way she puts it. So so that 2633 02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:52,350 means if you don't do anything you're actually doing right and 2634 02:38:52,350 --> 02:38:53,520 it's bad silence 2635 02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:56,370 Adam Curry: is violence. It's it's all the same people the 2636 02:38:56,370 --> 02:38:59,820 same thinking tying into the same guilt that is being played 2637 02:38:59,820 --> 02:39:00,060 on 2638 02:39:00,060 --> 02:39:02,310 John C. Dvorak: old silence. Violence. What was the one I 2639 02:39:02,310 --> 02:39:04,710 said to you earlier today, before the show started? I had 2640 02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:07,920 one read it somewhere. So normally, 2641 02:39:07,950 --> 02:39:11,070 Adam Curry: normally all you say is don't touch the knobs then. 2642 02:39:13,020 --> 02:39:16,110 John C. Dvorak: Yes, that's what I say every time. You keep 2643 02:39:16,110 --> 02:39:16,620 fiddling, 2644 02:39:17,130 --> 02:39:20,730 Adam Curry: fiddling with a thing. So before I continue to a 2645 02:39:20,730 --> 02:39:24,150 very different Robyn D'Angelo, and note worry the I could not 2646 02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:29,790 find it noteworthy that James Lindsay says that's not even her 2647 02:39:29,790 --> 02:39:33,810 real name, could not find her real name. And let's just take 2648 02:39:34,260 --> 02:39:37,680 well, and before we do that, from the same Smithsonian 2649 02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:41,970 website, is a woman named Bell Hooks. So just so you have an 2650 02:39:41,970 --> 02:39:46,650 idea that it's more than just Robin de Angelo's white 2651 02:39:46,650 --> 02:39:51,090 fragility, there's a very common theme underneath all of this, 2652 02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:54,150 Unknown: I began to use the phrase in my work white 2653 02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:58,620 supremacist capitalist patriarchy, because I wanted to 2654 02:39:58,620 --> 02:40:05,370 have some language That would actually remind us continually 2655 02:40:05,970 --> 02:40:10,020 of the, the the interlocking systems of domination that 2656 02:40:10,020 --> 02:40:11,310 define our reality. 2657 02:40:12,150 --> 02:40:16,230 Adam Curry: And it's because of this attitude that you're that's 2658 02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:20,100 it, this is an anti men thing. It's anti white men, they only 2659 02:40:20,100 --> 02:40:25,380 speak to women. It's right here. It's the white supremacist, 2660 02:40:25,410 --> 02:40:29,130 patriarchy. And why does it always have to be the patriarchy 2661 02:40:29,130 --> 02:40:33,600 that's thrown in there? Maybe we've evolved a little bit 2662 02:40:33,690 --> 02:40:36,480 unlikely, but maybe we've evolved a little bit. It's just 2663 02:40:36,480 --> 02:40:41,340 very irksome to me. So, but so it's always a male target. They 2664 02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:42,810 always Men hate. 2665 02:40:43,380 --> 02:40:45,240 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, you gotta hate men. Otherwise you 2666 02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:48,900 won't get you know, that puts more women into the, into the 2667 02:40:48,900 --> 02:40:50,670 lesbian pool for dating. 2668 02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:57,840 Adam Curry: As you referred to earlier, the Jewish friend. And 2669 02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:00,030 Tina's Jewish friends really afraid of Trump young going to 2670 02:41:00,060 --> 02:41:03,480 come after all Jews from the Trump. You're gonna get all 2671 02:41:03,480 --> 02:41:07,380 over. So she, you know, she starts talking about something I 2672 02:41:07,380 --> 02:41:14,190 said, Can I just can I just say that there is some real anger. 2673 02:41:14,460 --> 02:41:19,320 And there's only one group that everyone seems to be against is 2674 02:41:19,440 --> 02:41:24,870 straight old white men. And she says, Well, that's not it. Have 2675 02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:28,710 you? Have you listened to the news? White men, white men, 2676 02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:33,450 white men, old white men says straight? Straight sis white 2677 02:41:33,450 --> 02:41:37,680 men, old sis white men? Have you not heard that? Well, you can't 2678 02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:41,670 deny and from there I just Yeah, to that. I tuned out. It's like, 2679 02:41:41,970 --> 02:41:43,950 John C. Dvorak: Dang that you should have your bell. 2680 02:41:47,340 --> 02:41:51,210 Adam Curry: Well, you know, and I think it's, it's worth 2681 02:41:51,210 --> 02:41:56,580 repeating. The only correct response to anything like that 2682 02:41:56,580 --> 02:42:00,450 where you are accused of having privilege or just being white is 2683 02:42:00,450 --> 02:42:05,280 to say the following. As someone who has done the work, I'm 2684 02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:08,850 surprised you would use your privilege to assume that I'm 2685 02:42:08,850 --> 02:42:13,380 white. It's like the Vulcan nerve pinch when you do that. 2686 02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:16,920 They go and they can't speak. 2687 02:42:18,540 --> 02:42:20,970 John C. Dvorak: Confusing the computer and all Star Trek 2688 02:42:20,970 --> 02:42:25,200 episode. No, it's the Vulcan nerve pins like their patients 2689 02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:29,910 knocks on your ass but but it's the mechanism is the reason that 2690 02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:33,930 computer right computer. Okay, so that you're supposed to 2691 02:42:33,930 --> 02:42:36,930 protect men, but you're not protecting anybody. So Robyn 2692 02:42:36,930 --> 02:42:38,280 D'Angelo, I am here to 2693 02:42:38,280 --> 02:42:42,720 Adam Curry: protect man. As we look at the Wikipedia entry, 2694 02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:49,620 just briefly, she's September 8 1956. She's Burgo American 2695 02:42:49,650 --> 02:42:52,350 academic lecturer and author working in the fields of 2696 02:42:52,350 --> 02:42:56,430 critical discourse analysis and whiteness studies. She's 2697 02:42:56,430 --> 02:42:59,610 formerly served as a tenured professor of multicultural 2698 02:42:59,640 --> 02:43:03,510 education at Westfield State University and is currently an 2699 02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:06,780 affiliate Associate Professor of Education at the University of 2700 02:43:06,780 --> 02:43:10,050 Washington. She's known for her work pertaining to white 2701 02:43:10,050 --> 02:43:13,380 fragility. Now, her credentials, she received her PhD in 2702 02:43:13,380 --> 02:43:16,590 multicultural education from the University of Washington. 2703 02:43:18,210 --> 02:43:20,910 John C. Dvorak: And her dissertation on degree, her Ph. 2704 02:43:20,910 --> 02:43:23,520 Adam Curry: D. committee was chaired by James a bank. So 2705 02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:27,360 let's be careful here. What else so she's joined this also named 2706 02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:31,410 Associate Professor of multicultural education holds 2707 02:43:31,410 --> 02:43:35,040 two honorary doctoral degrees. All right, fine. Well, let's 2708 02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:40,080 listen to a little bit about her her. Her youth growing up, 2709 02:43:40,110 --> 02:43:43,890 Unknown: I grew up poor and white in the Bay Area. We moved 2710 02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:49,500 frequently. Figures, I think, from a very early age, I had a 2711 02:43:49,500 --> 02:43:56,190 very deep sense of shame. I will never forget a moment in which 2712 02:43:56,700 --> 02:44:00,240 two moments in fact, one in which a teacher held my hand up 2713 02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:05,430 in front of the class as an example of poor hygiene and told 2714 02:44:05,460 --> 02:44:08,940 me to go home and tell my mother to wash me. 2715 02:44:12,510 --> 02:44:15,750 Adam Curry: What you're going to hear is the amount of trauma 2716 02:44:15,780 --> 02:44:20,700 this person has. She has a lot of personal trauma. And I'm 2717 02:44:20,700 --> 02:44:23,250 going to tell you right now, I feel she's projecting. 2718 02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:27,990 Unknown: My mom was a single mom, she had three children. She 2719 02:44:27,990 --> 02:44:28,320 was 2720 02:44:28,349 --> 02:44:31,649 Adam Curry: sick, lots of reasons to hate men in this by 2721 02:44:31,649 --> 02:44:33,149 the way, and she 2722 02:44:33,210 --> 02:44:36,630 Unknown: literally couldn't house feed or clothe us. So I 2723 02:44:36,630 --> 02:44:41,970 was dirty. The other moment was visiting a friend of her some 2724 02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,400 some lady, you know, when you're a kid and you get taken to 2725 02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:47,880 somebody's house and they have kids, so you're playing and on 2726 02:44:47,880 --> 02:44:54,120 the way out. I was the last one out the door and I overheard one 2727 02:44:54,120 --> 02:44:59,010 of their children asked her Mother, what's wrong with them? 2728 02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:03,600 That I was requested what's wrong with them? And I stopped, 2729 02:45:03,630 --> 02:45:07,440 you know, riveted like I wanted to hear. And her mother put her 2730 02:45:07,440 --> 02:45:13,560 finger to her lips and said Sheesh, they're poor. That was 2731 02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:17,490 a, you know, revelatory moment. That was a moment when I, I 2732 02:45:17,490 --> 02:45:21,930 realized there's something about us that everyone can see that 2733 02:45:21,930 --> 02:45:27,600 shameful. But that should not be named. I mean, when I was your 2734 02:45:27,600 --> 02:45:28,590 John C. Dvorak: white privilege, 2735 02:45:28,620 --> 02:45:34,440 Adam Curry: when I heard this, like, wonder, doesn't didn't get 2736 02:45:34,440 --> 02:45:35,340 any better. 2737 02:45:35,550 --> 02:45:40,530 Unknown: At the same time. I also always knew I was white. 2738 02:45:40,740 --> 02:45:43,020 And I knew that it was better to be white 2739 02:45:43,320 --> 02:45:45,900 Adam Curry: thing, things I never thought I was a kid. 2740 02:45:47,250 --> 02:45:52,800 Unknown: I can remember seeing food left out on eaten. And I 2741 02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:55,830 was hungry, and I would reach for it, you know, maybe out in a 2742 02:45:55,830 --> 02:45:58,860 park on a picnic table or something. And I would be 2743 02:45:58,860 --> 02:46:03,060 admonished by my mother. Don't touch that. You don't know who 2744 02:46:03,060 --> 02:46:05,730 touched it? It could have been a colored person. 2745 02:46:05,940 --> 02:46:10,140 Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't know, man. That doesn't sound that 2746 02:46:10,140 --> 02:46:12,510 believable to me. This just, 2747 02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:16,770 Unknown: which was the language of the time, and the message was 2748 02:46:16,770 --> 02:46:20,250 clear, if a colored person touched it, it would be dirty. 2749 02:46:21,870 --> 02:46:26,310 There's their connection was actually dirty. But in those 2750 02:46:26,310 --> 02:46:30,150 moments in those moments, I wasn't poor anymore. In those 2751 02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:36,030 moments I was white. We used if you will, black people to 2752 02:46:36,030 --> 02:46:41,100 project our shame onto to realign us with the dominant 2753 02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:44,340 white culture that our poverty separated us from 2754 02:46:45,420 --> 02:46:48,000 Adam Curry: what do you think is wrong with her when you hear 2755 02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:54,840 this? Besides a lot just 2756 02:46:54,840 --> 02:46:55,380 John C. Dvorak: off 2757 02:46:57,720 --> 02:47:00,540 Adam Curry: yes, I think it's a lot of projection. She She wants 2758 02:47:00,540 --> 02:47:03,450 the rest of the world to atone for her shitty childhood or 2759 02:47:03,450 --> 02:47:06,960 something like that. There's some underlying stuff that is 2760 02:47:07,140 --> 02:47:09,810 John C. Dvorak: just cannot be. Net or she wouldn't be telling 2761 02:47:09,810 --> 02:47:10,650 these stories. 2762 02:47:10,680 --> 02:47:13,230 Adam Curry: And whiteness is not her only problem when 2763 02:47:13,230 --> 02:47:17,010 Unknown: I use my white position to break with silence and white 2764 02:47:17,010 --> 02:47:22,650 solidarity and speak up. I am simultaneously healing the lie 2765 02:47:23,250 --> 02:47:28,290 that I am inherently inferior because I grew up poor, right. 2766 02:47:28,320 --> 02:47:32,070 So for me to center race, even though I experienced oppression 2767 02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:35,880 and have experienced oppression and other aspects of my life for 2768 02:47:35,880 --> 02:47:39,930 me to center race, depression, feed every other identity or 2769 02:47:39,930 --> 02:47:46,110 experience through that lens has been the most profound tool, if 2770 02:47:46,110 --> 02:47:46,560 you will. 2771 02:47:46,620 --> 02:47:51,150 Adam Curry: So this is her. This is her. Her process her therapy 2772 02:47:51,180 --> 02:47:54,450 is to do this. Because she was depressed. She's saying it right 2773 02:47:54,450 --> 02:47:58,620 there. I was depressed. And by doing this work, I feel good. 2774 02:47:58,620 --> 02:48:04,770 Again, it is the genesis of her guilt gene. Anyway, yeah, two 2775 02:48:04,770 --> 02:48:07,860 more clips. She's got some, she's got some outstanding 2776 02:48:07,890 --> 02:48:08,550 advice. 2777 02:48:09,060 --> 02:48:14,550 Unknown: But hope is such a tool in a way of whiteness. And we've 2778 02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:20,160 dangled that tool in front of black people for 400 years. And 2779 02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:24,720 we keep not, you know, not showing up in the long term. 2780 02:48:24,840 --> 02:48:28,380 Adam Curry: Hope has been dangled in front of black people 2781 02:48:28,380 --> 02:48:33,090 for years, you evil, evil White people, how can you do that and 2782 02:48:33,090 --> 02:48:34,410 Unknown: more hopeful about our future. 2783 02:48:35,970 --> 02:48:36,960 Adam Curry: Evil white people 2784 02:48:37,619 --> 02:48:42,089 Unknown: are more hopeful about America. And I ask you to 2785 02:48:42,089 --> 02:48:47,669 sustain that hope. I'm not talking about blind optimism. 2786 02:48:48,989 --> 02:48:51,419 The kind of hope that just ignores the enormity of the 2787 02:48:51,419 --> 02:48:54,899 tasks ahead, or the roadblocks that stand in our path. 2788 02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:00,030 I'm not talking about the wishful idealism that allows us 2789 02:49:00,120 --> 02:49:05,700 to just sit on the sidelines or shirk from a fight. I have 2790 02:49:05,700 --> 02:49:08,670 always believed that hope is that stubborn thing. 2791 02:49:11,070 --> 02:49:14,580 Adam Curry: Angler in chief angler and chief Obama, Mr. Hoek 2792 02:49:14,580 --> 02:49:18,390 literally dangling in front of black people. What a horrible 2793 02:49:18,390 --> 02:49:19,290 horrible man. 2794 02:49:19,980 --> 02:49:27,210 John C. Dvorak: A must be white. All right. Then, you did. You've 2795 02:49:27,210 --> 02:49:29,970 performed very well, considering all the promotion I put in that 2796 02:49:29,970 --> 02:49:30,330 news. I 2797 02:49:30,330 --> 02:49:32,280 Adam Curry: have a kicker for you. Here's the kicker. 2798 02:49:33,450 --> 02:49:37,110 Obviously, everyone needs to be doing the work. This is very 2799 02:49:37,110 --> 02:49:40,650 important. You have to do the work. But this work comes with a 2800 02:49:40,650 --> 02:49:44,820 stark stark warning. Do not yes, she hasn't. Yes, there's a 2801 02:49:44,820 --> 02:49:48,300 problem. It's a marketing problem, which we know it's not 2802 02:49:48,300 --> 02:49:52,410 really something she wants to say in that manner. But people 2803 02:49:52,410 --> 02:49:55,470 are going off and starting their own do the work groups. 2804 02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:59,220 John C. Dvorak: Oh no, you can't do that. We also have to figure 2805 02:49:59,220 --> 02:50:01,230 this money away. From the main group, 2806 02:50:01,560 --> 02:50:03,390 Adam Curry: stem, here she is, we also 2807 02:50:03,390 --> 02:50:06,180 Unknown: have to figure out how to do that work in accountable 2808 02:50:06,180 --> 02:50:10,050 ways. I am a little nervous about, like, how many people now 2809 02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:13,860 are like, Oh, I read your book. And now I want to start a book 2810 02:50:13,860 --> 02:50:18,660 study or I want to start a workshop. And you know, it takes 2811 02:50:18,780 --> 02:50:24,720 years of experience and study and struggle and mistake making 2812 02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:30,270 and trust building me to hold a group around race and really 2813 02:50:30,270 --> 02:50:34,530 hold that group and push them and help them go where they need 2814 02:50:34,530 --> 02:50:38,670 to go in ways that are constructive. It takes a takes a 2815 02:50:38,670 --> 02:50:42,960 lot of experience so so we just have to think, Okay, this isn't 2816 02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:47,430 the format to give the answer to accountability made a mistake to 2817 02:50:47,430 --> 02:50:48,930 be asking ourselves that 2818 02:50:49,020 --> 02:50:53,160 Adam Curry: I am the chosen one. You cannot do this without me. 2819 02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:55,980 John C. Dvorak: Just made a mistake by doing that book order 2820 02:50:55,980 --> 02:50:57,510 Earhart never did a book. 2821 02:50:57,540 --> 02:51:00,030 Adam Curry: Yeah, I think you're right. She She just screwed the 2822 02:51:00,030 --> 02:51:03,690 pooch. People are off doing their own work. No, no, no, it 2823 02:51:03,690 --> 02:51:08,910 takes years, years and years and years. But you know what it 2824 02:51:08,910 --> 02:51:16,020 takes to talk to a group about our race. This is snake oil. But 2825 02:51:16,050 --> 02:51:20,820 it's very effective. women around the world are all into 2826 02:51:20,820 --> 02:51:27,150 this. And it's okay. It's very good to be aware and not be 2827 02:51:27,150 --> 02:51:31,500 ignorant about other groups and cultures. We're all Americans. 2828 02:51:31,650 --> 02:51:36,360 But this guilt thing has got to stop. And it will only stop when 2829 02:51:36,360 --> 02:51:37,350 people freak out. 2830 02:51:41,160 --> 02:51:44,520 John C. Dvorak: We'll see how it goes. But it's always ends 2831 02:51:45,270 --> 02:51:49,410 poorly for the for the show, for the person that's running the 2832 02:51:49,410 --> 02:51:50,130 whole thing. 2833 02:51:51,450 --> 02:51:52,380 Adam Curry: Does it always? 2834 02:51:52,950 --> 02:51:53,760 John C. Dvorak: I think so 2835 02:51:53,790 --> 02:51:55,560 Adam Curry: when he tried to be like a cult leader. Well, I 2836 02:51:55,560 --> 02:51:57,840 John C. Dvorak: mean, he ended up like, while Ron Hubbard where 2837 02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:01,650 you're end up where the government goes after you can't 2838 02:52:01,650 --> 02:52:04,230 get off and you're stuck there for the rest of your life until 2839 02:52:04,230 --> 02:52:08,010 you die. That's not, you know, yeah, it's comfy. But so what? 2840 02:52:08,190 --> 02:52:10,020 Adam Curry: Well, right now the only problem she has to deal 2841 02:52:10,020 --> 02:52:13,110 with is to podcasters who are ridiculing her, so I'm sure 2842 02:52:13,830 --> 02:52:15,570 John C. Dvorak: a lot more people were ridiculing her over 2843 02:52:15,570 --> 02:52:16,080 time. 2844 02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:19,590 Unknown: I'm gonna show my mood by donating to no agenda. 2845 02:52:19,650 --> 02:52:22,770 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun 2846 02:52:30,150 --> 02:52:33,000 John C. Dvorak: and I will mention that I'm going to I'll 2847 02:52:33,000 --> 02:52:38,520 read strip Slayer, the Mojave wastelands note at a future time 2848 02:52:38,520 --> 02:52:41,250 it's a really a good note. It talks a little bit about some of 2849 02:52:41,250 --> 02:52:44,880 the stuff but he also said he's the one who sent the Nixie clock 2850 02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:50,460 out. Oh, I love those. Yeah, I make she says get some tubes 2851 02:52:50,460 --> 02:52:53,220 while you can. Your start they're starting to fail the 2852 02:52:53,220 --> 02:52:54,240 tubes are crapping out. 2853 02:52:54,869 --> 02:52:55,679 Adam Curry: Mine broke. 2854 02:52:56,400 --> 02:52:57,300 John C. Dvorak: You dropped it. 2855 02:52:57,480 --> 02:53:00,330 Adam Curry: I didn't someone else who shall go on named 2856 02:53:01,110 --> 02:53:01,770 dropped it 2857 02:53:02,100 --> 02:53:04,560 John C. Dvorak: to all the tubes break three of them. 2858 02:53:05,670 --> 02:53:07,920 Adam Curry: It's pretty bad. It's and then I looked I was 2859 02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:11,460 like I'll replace it. A can only buy them in a kit and to put it 2860 02:53:11,460 --> 02:53:15,150 together. No, I don't think I can do that. 2861 02:53:16,290 --> 02:53:20,070 John C. Dvorak: You can buy says loan tubes and tubes. Okay, now 2862 02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:22,710 that's what I'll look for. But just look for that. nixie tube 2863 02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:26,730 any nixie tube that size? Yeah. And then you can either they're 2864 02:53:26,730 --> 02:53:32,070 probably too expensive by now. I mean 10 bucks apiece. Okay. But 2865 02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:34,620 they're, you know, they're cool. I haven't dropped mine. 2866 02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:37,890 Adam Curry: Well, you don't have a lot of Pete You don't allow 2867 02:53:37,890 --> 02:53:39,870 people in your in your domain. 2868 02:53:40,080 --> 02:53:41,940 John C. Dvorak: There's plenty of people floating around but 2869 02:53:41,940 --> 02:53:42,720 they just don't I 2870 02:53:42,750 --> 02:53:43,680 Adam Curry: wasn't allowed. 2871 02:53:45,870 --> 02:53:46,980 John C. Dvorak: I don't know what that means. And 2872 02:53:46,980 --> 02:53:48,390 Adam Curry: when I was at your house, I was 2873 02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:51,660 John C. Dvorak: Dixie tube. I was on the first floor you could 2874 02:53:51,660 --> 02:53:56,520 have easily seen it. Let us say they would they would love to 2875 02:53:56,520 --> 02:54:00,360 have a nixie tube clock Charles Bennett would be one of them. In 2876 02:54:00,360 --> 02:54:07,620 McCall Idaho honored $33.33 Mike Michelle small when 2358 Sir. 2877 02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:14,520 Pate snakes and Amsterdam is a percentage of his tax returns. 2878 02:54:14,520 --> 02:54:20,400 1234509 illegal in New York Delaware. $110 Anonymous $100 2879 02:54:20,520 --> 02:54:25,620 Sure. Christopher Kessler in Marshfield, Wisconsin 808 Boob 2880 02:54:26,430 --> 02:54:27,540 Reema Harb. 2881 02:54:27,570 --> 02:54:28,080 Adam Curry: Yes Hold 2882 02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:29,070 John C. Dvorak: $70 Hold 2883 02:54:29,070 --> 02:54:31,860 Adam Curry: on. Hold on Remus, very important Reema is the 2884 02:54:31,860 --> 02:54:35,550 second person who has relentlessly made sure that this 2885 02:54:35,550 --> 02:54:40,770 took place today. Her I believe it's her boyfriend but she says 2886 02:54:40,770 --> 02:54:45,240 friend is a regular listener of the no agenda show. She is not 2887 02:54:45,240 --> 02:54:48,690 but she figured out how to get in touch with us and she wanted 2888 02:54:48,690 --> 02:54:51,570 to make sure that her wish was read and that was on the 2889 02:54:51,570 --> 02:54:55,020 birthday list and she's been she's been hounding me for about 2890 02:54:55,020 --> 02:55:00,720 as long as our as our Sam there with a wedding proposal So, so 2891 02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:05,220 she said, this is Reema Harb, I would like to wish my friend a 2892 02:55:05,220 --> 02:55:08,880 happy birthday. Congratulations. I wish my dear dentists all the 2893 02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:12,960 best. Oh for her birthday, sorry, girlfriend or friend. 2894 02:55:13,440 --> 02:55:16,440 Cheese now I'm confused. I would like to donate $70 I hope that's 2895 02:55:16,440 --> 02:55:19,770 okay. Greetings from Germany and Berlin. Reema, we did it for 2896 02:55:19,770 --> 02:55:24,120 you. And thank you so much for supporting the show and I hope 2897 02:55:24,120 --> 02:55:24,300 you're 2898 02:55:24,330 --> 02:55:26,880 John C. Dvorak: listening next time. Listen for a good show. 2899 02:55:26,940 --> 02:55:27,690 You like it? It's 2900 02:55:27,690 --> 02:55:29,670 Adam Curry: it's entertaining. We can hang out. 2901 02:55:30,780 --> 02:55:35,490 John C. Dvorak: Okay, sure. Seat sitters next. 6969. Mark Fiore 2902 02:55:35,490 --> 02:55:43,770 is $69 another birthday sister. She resides in America. 2903 02:55:45,330 --> 02:55:48,540 Adam Curry: The autonomous zone surrounded by Harlan the 2904 02:55:48,540 --> 02:55:54,450 Netherlands. I didn't know that was CR America. Apparently it is 2905 02:55:54,450 --> 02:55:57,240 and he wants to jobs Carmen with the goat twist for her and we'll 2906 02:55:57,240 --> 02:55:58,650 do that. At the end. 2907 02:55:59,310 --> 02:56:02,640 John C. Dvorak: Sir Chris James of Southwest Michigan in Sturgis 2908 02:56:03,090 --> 02:56:09,090 5678 says that we're a national treasure. Now that's Fauci. How 2909 02:56:09,090 --> 02:56:16,260 can we be that Dean Roker in East Grinstead, UK 5510 I var 2910 02:56:16,260 --> 02:56:19,290 Vaughn vet Duvall, Irvine Vadivelu. 2911 02:56:20,910 --> 02:56:23,490 Adam Curry: Hanging II far from there, Felder? 2912 02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:27,510 John C. Dvorak: inviter Val de fooled No. 2913 02:56:28,950 --> 02:56:32,100 Adam Curry: Don't do the Swedish accent ie far founder Felder 2914 02:56:32,130 --> 02:56:36,450 John C. Dvorak: Eve are fun to read in Vulcanian and via 2915 02:56:36,570 --> 02:56:37,590 reckoning 2916 02:56:37,860 --> 02:56:40,770 Adam Curry: was nailed it house buying karma coming up for you. 2917 02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:41,640 Sure. 2918 02:56:42,060 --> 02:56:46,140 John C. Dvorak: You 510 from him to scantling, Stokes and walborn 2919 02:56:46,170 --> 02:56:50,700 Robert Massachusetts, Jeffrey hunt in Baltimore. These are all 2920 02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:56,040 55 cents Baltimore, Maryland. Jeffrey is 5510 What's up with 2921 02:56:56,040 --> 02:56:59,430 5510? Nickels on the dime dad double nickels on the dime 2922 02:56:59,430 --> 02:57:08,070 Daniel Mariano in Pflugerville, Texas 5510 Scott. Yeah, Albert 2923 02:57:08,100 --> 02:57:13,920 Jelmer 5510 pronounced Jabber, West Columbia, South Carolina 2924 02:57:14,580 --> 02:57:20,400 and William Reich in Ontario 5510. Happy Canada he sent a 2925 02:57:20,400 --> 02:57:24,030 note and saying thanks because of the Canada Day thing he was. 2926 02:57:24,480 --> 02:57:27,720 He says we sent out a special note to the Canadians it would 2927 02:57:27,720 --> 02:57:27,990 have to 2928 02:57:27,990 --> 02:57:33,390 Adam Curry: by the way, the Scott gel burn is another rogue 2929 02:57:33,390 --> 02:57:44,640 Joe Rogan crossover. And we have a jingle organ donation Rogan 2930 02:57:44,640 --> 02:57:46,110 donation apparently 2931 02:57:46,500 --> 02:57:50,430 John C. Dvorak: it's cute. Like Rick in North Carolina 5150 He 2932 02:57:50,430 --> 02:57:55,290 did send a handwritten notes and dwells pan printed. Thanks for 2933 02:57:55,290 --> 02:57:57,810 the best podcast and lead again for my birthday donation was 2934 02:57:57,810 --> 02:58:02,310 June 25. I put him on the list. Yeah, I guess the donation says 2935 02:58:02,310 --> 02:58:05,790 it all keep up the great work somewhere in Central North 2936 02:58:05,790 --> 02:58:07,320 Carolina, North Carolina people 2937 02:58:07,890 --> 02:58:10,980 Adam Curry: their Hitman their their unpaid Matthew Grace 2938 02:58:11,070 --> 02:58:14,760 John C. Dvorak: 505. And now the following people are $50 donors. 2939 02:58:15,330 --> 02:58:19,650 He's by their Matthews in Australia, the 55 $50 donors 2940 02:58:19,680 --> 02:58:23,700 name and location. Matthew wells in Austin, another Estonian 2941 02:58:23,700 --> 02:58:27,330 That's right. Austin Tinian we Austin pastors 2942 02:58:28,470 --> 02:58:29,850 Adam Curry: excuse me, Austin Knight. 2943 02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:32,790 John C. Dvorak: Austin Tennesseans Austin knights Yeah. 2944 02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:36,690 austenite Austin knights of the roundtable, Sir Paul from 2945 02:58:36,690 --> 02:58:39,900 Horseheads in Johnson City in New York. Sir Andrew in 2946 02:58:39,930 --> 02:58:43,860 Greensboro, North Carolina, Travis Nash in Greensboro, North 2947 02:58:43,860 --> 02:58:47,370 Carolina. Tomorrow's Carolinians. Oh, both in the 2948 02:58:47,370 --> 02:58:49,650 same town and this sense Wow. 2949 02:58:50,400 --> 02:58:52,080 Adam Curry: Well, you know, what, didn't didn't they have a 2950 02:58:52,080 --> 02:58:54,900 meet up? That's I think that's what happened. They must have 2951 02:58:54,900 --> 02:58:57,450 had a meet up in North Carolina. Pretty sure they do. 2952 02:58:57,570 --> 02:59:00,480 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, Chris. See a valiant day in Toronto, 2953 02:59:00,480 --> 02:59:05,250 Ontario. Thanks for always making my boyfriend Derek birch 2954 02:59:05,250 --> 02:59:11,220 so excited to tell me all about the G damn show. 2955 02:59:13,230 --> 02:59:16,530 Adam Curry: Happy three months Babe and to a lifetime more. 2956 02:59:16,710 --> 02:59:20,550 Okay. Chrissa I don't know what this means. Well, no, I know 2957 02:59:20,550 --> 02:59:22,860 exactly what this means. So they've been dating for three 2958 02:59:22,860 --> 02:59:26,580 months and he's been hitting her in the mouth Chris Don't worry 2959 02:59:26,580 --> 02:59:32,460 that's a fixed distantly very consistently. And and she is an 2960 02:59:32,460 --> 02:59:35,550 I think this may be a match for long term. 2961 02:59:36,150 --> 02:59:39,270 John C. Dvorak: Because she's she's $50. In what? See 2962 02:59:39,270 --> 02:59:41,910 Adam Curry: she sees that it makes her boyfriend so happy and 2963 02:59:41,910 --> 02:59:43,620 excited to talk about it. 2964 02:59:45,030 --> 02:59:49,410 John C. Dvorak: It's got to be a bore to her. Okay, what else did 2965 02:59:49,410 --> 02:59:54,420 they say? Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, okay, I roll. I roll. 2966 02:59:54,450 --> 02:59:57,540 Yeah, no, that's great. You know, maybe you could do me a 2967 02:59:57,540 --> 02:59:58,320 favor now. 2968 02:59:58,350 --> 03:00:01,860 Adam Curry: Well, happy three months. Versary I know how women 2969 03:00:01,860 --> 03:00:04,050 think that's great love and Baronet. 2970 03:00:04,050 --> 03:00:07,800 John C. Dvorak: Amen. Fist bump is the last on the list. And 2971 03:00:07,800 --> 03:00:11,310 she's a woman. And she's from Montgomery, Texas, Montgomery, 2972 03:00:11,310 --> 03:00:14,640 Texas didn't know it existed. And those are all the donors, 2973 03:00:14,760 --> 03:00:19,710 producers for show 1261 above 4999. Now we got a bunch of 2974 03:00:19,710 --> 03:00:22,770 those who want to thank them too. I want to thank everybody 2975 03:00:22,770 --> 03:00:24,480 for helping keeping this show going. 2976 03:00:24,510 --> 03:00:27,870 Adam Curry: Yes. Much appreciated. Everyone who 2977 03:00:27,960 --> 03:00:30,960 contributed is a producer but a lot of you are producers with 2978 03:00:30,990 --> 03:00:34,110 other things you do. It's part of the value for value network, 2979 03:00:34,230 --> 03:00:38,220 our value for value system, which has been carefully created 2980 03:00:38,550 --> 03:00:42,270 and almost replicated by some but not entirely, because we 2981 03:00:42,270 --> 03:00:46,140 have the best producers who understand and work on making 2982 03:00:46,140 --> 03:00:49,590 this the best darn podcast in the universe. We'd like for you 2983 03:00:49,590 --> 03:00:51,690 to continue to support that if you're new you might want to 2984 03:00:51,690 --> 03:00:56,340 consider it. It's very simple. You think what what value would 2985 03:00:56,340 --> 03:00:59,940 you just got in the past? What about three hours or so and then 2986 03:00:59,940 --> 03:01:05,370 you put that into a number and send it off to vote.org/and a 2987 03:01:05,460 --> 03:01:06,780 request jobs, 2988 03:01:06,930 --> 03:01:09,540 Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs 2989 03:01:09,570 --> 03:01:15,210 Let's vote for jobs. You've got 2990 03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:30,840 Adam Curry: a 19th of July 2020 Here's our birthday list little 2991 03:01:31,290 --> 03:01:34,500 let me see belated but Rick in North Carolina was set celebrate 2992 03:01:34,500 --> 03:01:37,920 on June 25. So would you say happy birthday to him reminds 2993 03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:42,660 you hertz and happy birthday to Dennis celebrating today July 19 2994 03:01:43,080 --> 03:01:47,580 I'm still thinking it's a him and Geoffrey hunt turns 33 today 2995 03:01:47,580 --> 03:01:50,400 and mark for yours is Happy Birthday to his sister Janet for 2996 03:01:50,400 --> 03:01:53,760 your Kramer we say happy birthday to everybody from the 2997 03:01:53,760 --> 03:01:59,010 staff and management of the best podcast in the universe. Okay, 2998 03:01:59,010 --> 03:02:03,060 we only have well we have not only but we have three nice 2999 03:02:03,060 --> 03:02:12,420 things no Dame so we will blast out the sword sword swords up on 3000 03:02:12,420 --> 03:02:15,960 the podium please Mark Manson Kyle Davis and Tristan onion 3001 03:02:15,960 --> 03:02:18,780 Martin's gentlemen all three of you today become knights of the 3002 03:02:18,780 --> 03:02:21,630 no agenda roundtable thanks to your contributions in the amount 3003 03:02:21,630 --> 03:02:26,220 of $1,000 or more. And that means you take a buck at this 3004 03:02:26,250 --> 03:02:29,790 covenant roundtable I'm very proud to pronounce the k d as 3005 03:02:29,970 --> 03:02:35,550 Sir mile high mark sir 22 of the Pacific Northwest. And Sir on 3006 03:02:35,550 --> 03:02:38,880 your night gentlemen, for you we have hookers and blow rent boys 3007 03:02:38,880 --> 03:02:42,120 and a Chardonnay, geishas and sock a medium rare ribeye and a 3008 03:02:42,120 --> 03:02:45,990 good night Imperial red IPA cookies and vodka, onion rings 3009 03:02:45,990 --> 03:02:49,710 and ice cream met we've got harlots and how doll breast milk 3010 03:02:49,710 --> 03:02:53,310 and pablum ginger ale and Jerboas bar hits and bourbon and 3011 03:02:53,310 --> 03:02:56,250 mutton and Mead it is a roundtable favorite head over to 3012 03:02:56,250 --> 03:03:00,990 no agenda nation.com/rings and get a hold of the form there to 3013 03:03:00,990 --> 03:03:04,530 fill out so Eric the show can send off your signet ring your 3014 03:03:04,530 --> 03:03:06,990 sealing wax and your official certificate and thank you so 3015 03:03:06,990 --> 03:03:11,130 much for supporting the best podcast in the universe. Know 3016 03:03:11,130 --> 03:03:21,060 what? The no agenda meetups are back on and full force no agenda 3017 03:03:21,060 --> 03:03:24,420 meetups.com is where you can find out where a meetup is 3018 03:03:24,420 --> 03:03:28,740 taking place. Or you can set one up yourself. We have a report 3019 03:03:28,740 --> 03:03:32,430 from the first no agenda meetup in Croatia. 3020 03:03:32,490 --> 03:03:38,760 Unknown: Hello, I'm Tim Joseph. This is Alex from the non agenda 3021 03:03:38,760 --> 03:03:45,690 meetups in Croatia split. The Meetup is fantastic. No one 3022 03:03:45,690 --> 03:03:54,360 showed up. So myself and too many whiskies. So, in the 3023 03:03:54,360 --> 03:03:58,290 morning, and maybe next time we'll have more slaves. 3024 03:03:59,940 --> 03:04:03,390 Adam Curry: Croatia, what are you doing to me? kreusch did not 3025 03:04:03,390 --> 03:04:04,710 come through on the meetup. 3026 03:04:05,190 --> 03:04:08,610 John C. Dvorak: No, but once is a shame but one meter I asked 3027 03:04:08,610 --> 03:04:10,800 friends in Croatia they could have gone yeah, 3028 03:04:10,890 --> 03:04:14,760 Adam Curry: should have called them. Here's an overview for the 3029 03:04:14,760 --> 03:04:19,920 coming week. Actually nothing this week. But next Saturday. 3030 03:04:20,250 --> 03:04:23,370 That's the 25th of July the Greater Seattle post Rhona 3031 03:04:23,460 --> 03:04:28,110 vitamin D hike meet up at 11am Suma is organizing see the 3032 03:04:28,110 --> 03:04:31,320 website for details also on Saturday, the central Illinois 3033 03:04:31,320 --> 03:04:36,210 you in July meet up 3:33pm At Riggs brewery sir Kyle the 3034 03:04:36,210 --> 03:04:39,900 fearless Jedi Knight of the orange fleet is hosting and 3035 03:04:39,900 --> 03:04:43,800 flight W five of the no agenda Leo Bravo organizing that on 3036 03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:49,200 July 25. I'm not even sure where that's taking place. And then we 3037 03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:52,380 don't have anything for another week Friday the 31st What's 3038 03:04:52,380 --> 03:04:57,360 cookin Oregon local 33 6pm at cook Thai guard and all these 3039 03:04:57,360 --> 03:05:01,020 details are on no agenda meetups.com Same as organizing, 3040 03:05:01,230 --> 03:05:04,380 no agenda meetup.com where you can find out where you can hang 3041 03:05:04,380 --> 03:05:08,280 out with people who have one thing in common with you. They 3042 03:05:08,280 --> 03:05:11,070 want to hang out they want to talk. They want to be awkward 3043 03:05:11,070 --> 03:05:14,460 and clumsy. No one gives a crap what you think. But they really 3044 03:05:14,460 --> 03:05:17,190 do care. It's a no agenda meetup. It's kind of like a 3045 03:05:17,190 --> 03:05:19,380 party, no agenda meetups.com 3046 03:05:20,460 --> 03:05:24,840 John C. Dvorak: Sometimes you want to go hang out with Dyson 3047 03:05:24,840 --> 03:05:36,300 days. You'd be triggered. You want to be safe. 3048 03:05:40,920 --> 03:05:45,480 Have you ever noticed is when you travel around the world? You 3049 03:05:45,480 --> 03:05:48,600 know, you go to the different countries and you see you you 3050 03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:52,530 find this kind of like a thematic look. And a lot of 3051 03:05:52,530 --> 03:05:56,490 times with the women you'll see this this kind of stuff. Lot of 3052 03:05:56,490 --> 03:05:59,220 them have a look and some are Dead Ringers for different 3053 03:05:59,220 --> 03:06:04,680 people. Yeah. Croatia. Oh, yeah. Natalie Wood. 3054 03:06:05,760 --> 03:06:10,470 Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Yeah, the Croatian girls. Were 3055 03:06:10,470 --> 03:06:14,220 always I don't want to say it. In Amsterdam. The Croatian girls 3056 03:06:14,220 --> 03:06:18,480 were we like the Croatian girls. We found 3057 03:06:19,290 --> 03:06:21,540 John C. Dvorak: a bunch of hordes of you trying to bring 3058 03:06:21,540 --> 03:06:22,680 you in. They'd like to 3059 03:06:22,680 --> 03:06:26,610 Adam Curry: party. The Croatian girls like to party? Yes. That's 3060 03:06:26,610 --> 03:06:27,300 what I'm saying. 3061 03:06:28,650 --> 03:06:30,390 John C. Dvorak: Well, if you look right, Natalie would you'd 3062 03:06:30,390 --> 03:06:31,710 probably like to party too. 3063 03:06:31,890 --> 03:06:35,670 Adam Curry: Well, that's true. Quick little, just a list here 3064 03:06:35,670 --> 03:06:39,480 of some noodle gun targets. Ellen DeGeneres seems to be on 3065 03:06:39,480 --> 03:06:40,800 target for the noodle gun. 3066 03:06:41,520 --> 03:06:43,860 John C. Dvorak: In fact, she's on target so much. I was just 3067 03:06:43,860 --> 03:06:47,910 reading a piece about her in Buzzfeed is out to get her. 3068 03:06:48,300 --> 03:06:51,330 Yeah, unless Pete has a writer that actually says if you have 3069 03:06:51,390 --> 03:06:55,110 any dirt on Ellen send me an email. She got her email right 3070 03:06:55,110 --> 03:07:00,840 now Linda in the in the column she wrote bitching and moaning 3071 03:07:00,840 --> 03:07:04,680 about Ellen and Alan's apparently they've not you know, 3072 03:07:04,680 --> 03:07:11,340 they haven't forced them to, to do the do the do the work. And 3073 03:07:11,340 --> 03:07:15,720 they wanted to do the work and not get some consultants in and 3074 03:07:15,720 --> 03:07:16,320 do work. 3075 03:07:16,650 --> 03:07:20,070 Adam Curry: I think the problem is, the employees claimed they 3076 03:07:20,070 --> 03:07:23,670 were subject to a toxic work environment, which I understand 3077 03:07:24,120 --> 03:07:29,250 is well there's two things. One when you're an Ellen's a 3078 03:07:29,250 --> 03:07:33,240 generous level and at that kind of show, and I witnessed some of 3079 03:07:33,240 --> 03:07:38,370 this myself at MTV, you work at the Ellen show as well shit 3080 03:07:38,550 --> 03:07:42,960 because we can get 1000 people for you. And it is run like a 3081 03:07:42,960 --> 03:07:47,040 dictatorship. And I'm sure noodle boys and girls are not 3082 03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:52,080 liking that. Add to that. Yeah, that Ellen's a generous was seen 3083 03:07:52,080 --> 03:07:56,070 hanging out with George W. Bush at the at the game. I think 3084 03:07:56,070 --> 03:07:58,440 that's where it starts go downhill for her for her. 3085 03:07:58,470 --> 03:08:00,420 John C. Dvorak: I think you're you know, I always forget about 3086 03:08:00,420 --> 03:08:03,030 that. But that is the Genesis. It has to be 3087 03:08:03,060 --> 03:08:08,520 Adam Curry: Yep. The noodle gum GamerGate 2.0. As far as I can 3088 03:08:08,520 --> 03:08:13,080 see, three Ubisoft executive stepped down again, due to a 3089 03:08:13,080 --> 03:08:18,510 toxic culture, whatever that means, or at least culture not 3090 03:08:18,510 --> 03:08:23,010 compatible with the organization. Cisco has fired 3091 03:08:23,010 --> 03:08:27,390 employees that question Black Lives Matter during a company 3092 03:08:27,390 --> 03:08:31,830 wide racism discussion. What they did is they posted don't 3093 03:08:31,830 --> 03:08:37,380 all lives matter. Sorry, you're fired. You're done. If you do 3094 03:08:37,380 --> 03:08:42,030 that mistake, mistake, mistake noodle gun for you. Did you see 3095 03:08:42,030 --> 03:08:45,420 this article in The New York Times about black wine 3096 03:08:45,420 --> 03:08:46,470 professionals? 3097 03:08:48,120 --> 03:08:49,710 John C. Dvorak: Now, what are they bitching about? 3098 03:08:51,210 --> 03:08:55,560 Adam Curry: Let me see. TJ I'll just read a little bit. TJ 3099 03:08:55,560 --> 03:08:58,980 Douglas and his wife Hadley own urban grape, a thriving wine 3100 03:08:58,980 --> 03:09:01,620 shop in the south end neighborhood of Boston. Before 3101 03:09:01,620 --> 03:09:04,380 the pandemic, a regular internet customer with whom Mr. Douglas 3102 03:09:04,380 --> 03:09:07,470 had had many discussions online about wine, walked into the shop 3103 03:09:07,470 --> 03:09:11,310 for the first time. The customer who was White had come 3104 03:09:11,310 --> 03:09:14,910 specifically to meet Mr. Douglas comb. He did not know what's 3105 03:09:14,910 --> 03:09:19,050 black. He looked at me and walked right past me to an older 3106 03:09:19,050 --> 03:09:22,830 white man who worked for me and thanked him for all he had done. 3107 03:09:23,460 --> 03:09:27,270 The employee pointed toward me. And the gentleman turned around 3108 03:09:27,270 --> 03:09:30,510 and looked shocked. He had never thought of buying wine from a 3109 03:09:30,510 --> 03:09:35,430 black person before. He also looks extremely embarrassed. 3110 03:09:37,740 --> 03:09:39,660 Yeah, he needs to do the work. 3111 03:09:40,350 --> 03:09:43,290 John C. Dvorak: There's a number of wine professionals at the 3112 03:09:43,290 --> 03:09:46,830 highest level and you you kind of want and I don't want to 3113 03:09:46,890 --> 03:09:52,830 promote multi CultI but you kind of want other ethnic groups to 3114 03:09:52,830 --> 03:09:55,770 get more involved because they sometimes have a really 3115 03:09:55,770 --> 03:10:00,360 tremendous palette just naturally. Oh yeah. As one of 3116 03:10:00,360 --> 03:10:04,050 the best sommeliers I've ever run into his Japanese, who just 3117 03:10:04,050 --> 03:10:08,310 was just unbelievable. And yeah, it's a black guy. A lot of black 3118 03:10:08,310 --> 03:10:12,270 guys get into becoming blind connoisseurs and they get really 3119 03:10:12,270 --> 03:10:14,670 good at it. And then there's not a shock to me. 3120 03:10:14,700 --> 03:10:17,310 Adam Curry: Well, apparently, the New York Times this he's 3121 03:10:17,310 --> 03:10:19,050 nothing but racism in the sector. 3122 03:10:19,710 --> 03:10:20,700 John C. Dvorak: That's the way it goes. 3123 03:10:22,200 --> 03:10:24,690 Adam Curry: is nothing but racism. You're not putting into 3124 03:10:24,690 --> 03:10:27,870 work sticking on the racism tip black lives matter for just a 3125 03:10:27,870 --> 03:10:32,460 second, the Washington Redskins who since we've been doing the 3126 03:10:32,460 --> 03:10:35,340 show, I think there's been I mean, probably Chin's long 3127 03:10:35,340 --> 03:10:38,700 before that people have complained this name is no good. 3128 03:10:38,700 --> 03:10:43,500 It's racist. We can't use it. Why that on and on. And so they 3129 03:10:43,500 --> 03:10:47,340 finally they finally saw the noodle gun come out, and they 3130 03:10:47,340 --> 03:10:50,430 had to at least announced they're going to change their 3131 03:10:50,430 --> 03:10:56,370 name. But what do African American Indians think about it, 3132 03:10:56,370 --> 03:11:00,810 or some would say Native Americans? Well, I went to the 3133 03:11:01,140 --> 03:11:05,970 people's, I went to the source Naga, the Native American 3134 03:11:05,970 --> 03:11:12,090 guardians Association, who say, we do not agree with this. We 3135 03:11:12,090 --> 03:11:17,340 believe in education, not eradication. And above all, we 3136 03:11:17,340 --> 03:11:19,800 kind of like the Redskins deal 3137 03:11:19,860 --> 03:11:21,960 John C. Dvorak: actually makes me feel proud. it uplifts my 3138 03:11:21,960 --> 03:11:25,710 spirit and reminds me of my cultural background and my 3139 03:11:25,710 --> 03:11:27,210 heritage and where I come from, 3140 03:11:27,570 --> 03:11:31,020 it's never been an issue for for myself or anyone in my family. 3141 03:11:31,080 --> 03:11:34,530 Unknown: Why? Why do they want change name, it's not a big 3142 03:11:34,530 --> 03:11:34,920 deal. 3143 03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:38,730 A Redskins it's it's a powerful name, it's a toy or name. 3144 03:11:39,210 --> 03:11:43,650 To break it down into something it's not. The intent has never 3145 03:11:43,650 --> 03:11:46,470 been never been to degrade people. 3146 03:11:46,890 --> 03:11:51,630 Because it represents a strong justice warrior feel proud about 3147 03:11:52,260 --> 03:11:56,340 that they are associated with a team that's a professional team. 3148 03:11:57,120 --> 03:11:58,830 At the highest level of football, 3149 03:11:59,130 --> 03:12:03,720 and the emblem it shows a strong warrior and our ancestors have 3150 03:12:03,720 --> 03:12:07,800 always taught us to be strong and be proud of who you are. 3151 03:12:08,310 --> 03:12:11,160 John C. Dvorak: I feel proud to be Redskins, the Redskins name. 3152 03:12:11,160 --> 03:12:11,280 It's 3153 03:12:11,280 --> 03:12:15,060 Adam Curry: always been a term that we felt for it was a 3154 03:12:15,060 --> 03:12:15,930 unifying term. 3155 03:12:16,109 --> 03:12:18,119 Unknown: And we do call ourselves skins to which is 3156 03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:22,319 derived from Redskins. I feel like it's too insignificant when 3157 03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:25,049 there's bigger topics to talk about in Indian country 3158 03:12:25,200 --> 03:12:28,050 are issues that were more concerned about health care, 3159 03:12:28,410 --> 03:12:34,260 crime and reservation, alcohol, drugs, just lack of employment. 3160 03:12:34,380 --> 03:12:35,190 He had like four or five 3161 03:12:35,190 --> 03:12:37,770 families living in one house. They've never asked Native 3162 03:12:37,770 --> 03:12:41,160 Americans I mean, it's all it's somebody else. Who knows nothing 3163 03:12:41,160 --> 03:12:43,830 about us trying to speak for us and it's kind of an insult 3164 03:12:43,920 --> 03:12:47,490 to me and my kids we don't think of as derogatory or anything. 3165 03:12:47,940 --> 03:12:51,120 Don't bother me in any way. It's not an issue with us. 3166 03:12:52,530 --> 03:12:54,240 John C. Dvorak: Okay, wait a minute. We had a clip in the 3167 03:12:54,240 --> 03:12:57,690 last show where this woman said it's a racist slang term full 3168 03:12:57,690 --> 03:12:58,290 stop. 3169 03:12:58,830 --> 03:13:02,340 Adam Curry: Well, no one thought to ask the actual Redskins what 3170 03:13:02,340 --> 03:13:05,160 they thought about it. They like it they think it's a warrior 3171 03:13:05,160 --> 03:13:08,670 they were proud of it and that kind of disappointed 3172 03:13:08,700 --> 03:13:12,090 John C. Dvorak: is just propaganda. Where'd you get this 3173 03:13:12,090 --> 03:13:16,740 horrible propaganda clip from? nega nega? Well, 3174 03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:21,090 Adam Curry: the Native American Guardian association there was 3175 03:13:21,090 --> 03:13:24,090 some some one Native American in there who sounds like he was 3176 03:13:24,090 --> 03:13:25,440 from Canada a 3177 03:13:26,220 --> 03:13:29,580 John C. Dvorak: day. Well, a lot of Yeah, well, that border Dave 3178 03:13:29,580 --> 03:13:35,790 Sure. Makes sense. Oh, hawks makes those guys some kickass. 3179 03:13:35,790 --> 03:13:36,420 Guys, those 3180 03:13:36,420 --> 03:13:39,030 Adam Curry: guys Exactly. That's why we didn't want to change 3181 03:13:39,060 --> 03:13:43,170 Apache helicopters. Or should nukes you want to change any of 3182 03:13:43,170 --> 03:13:49,170 that. That's badass. Yeah. Do you have an ISO for under Show? 3183 03:13:50,520 --> 03:13:52,320 John C. Dvorak: No, I didn't. You know, I was thinking about 3184 03:13:52,320 --> 03:13:55,440 that. And then I was thinking about it while I was getting 3185 03:13:55,440 --> 03:13:58,680 these clips. And then I said then I forgot. It was just like, 3186 03:13:58,830 --> 03:14:01,620 it slipped my mind. So I do have for 3187 03:14:01,890 --> 03:14:05,550 Adam Curry: I've won I've uh, maybe a contender was sent to 3188 03:14:05,550 --> 03:14:06,900 me. Let's listen to this. Okay, 3189 03:14:07,170 --> 03:14:10,260 Unknown: I've done dumb things. Now do dumb things again. 3190 03:14:10,860 --> 03:14:13,320 Adam Curry: Joe Biden, dumb things dump things. I thought 3191 03:14:13,320 --> 03:14:13,920 you'd like it. 3192 03:14:14,190 --> 03:14:18,210 John C. Dvorak: Now I have a series of things I wanted to run 3193 03:14:18,210 --> 03:14:21,060 off but I can't now because the show's over. So I'm gonna teason 3194 03:14:21,090 --> 03:14:24,690 Okay. Yep, Thursday, and I only even got in this is only from 3195 03:14:24,690 --> 03:14:28,350 the first 20 minutes. But I would recommend people go see 3196 03:14:28,350 --> 03:14:31,140 this. Because I'll have some thoughts on this interesting 3197 03:14:31,140 --> 03:14:35,010 interview that Stephanopoulos did with Mary Trump. 3198 03:14:35,160 --> 03:14:37,140 Adam Curry: Oh, crikey, man you sure you don't want to do that? 3199 03:14:37,140 --> 03:14:39,270 Because it'd be so I think we should do it I think we should 3200 03:14:39,300 --> 03:14:42,900 tell the affiliates don't go long on a second affiliates 3201 03:14:42,900 --> 03:14:45,210 affiliates we notify you we're going long. 3202 03:14:48,030 --> 03:14:49,500 John C. Dvorak: Alright, we're just gonna take about this would 3203 03:14:49,500 --> 03:14:53,430 be 1015 minutes. Maybe. I keep it down. Let's start with the 3204 03:14:53,430 --> 03:14:56,640 teaser for the whole thing, which is the Mary Trump zero 3205 03:14:56,640 --> 03:15:01,320 clip where John Karl again on the view brings up the Mary 3206 03:15:01,320 --> 03:15:02,160 Trump book 3207 03:15:02,190 --> 03:15:04,950 Unknown: now how do we how is he handling the release of the 3208 03:15:04,950 --> 03:15:05,250 book? Do 3209 03:15:05,250 --> 03:15:06,180 you happen to know? 3210 03:15:07,350 --> 03:15:10,080 I mean, I'm told he's he's deeply frustrated about it. He 3211 03:15:10,080 --> 03:15:13,020 obviously tried really hard to stop the book from coming out 3212 03:15:13,020 --> 03:15:16,620 even enlisted his brother, his younger brother, Robert Trump. 3213 03:15:17,550 --> 03:15:21,990 Trump's Trump's upbringing, his family, there is very little 3214 03:15:21,990 --> 03:15:25,290 that he's ever really talked about, you know, we know is his 3215 03:15:25,290 --> 03:15:29,640 you know, that Mary's father, his older brother, Fred. You 3216 03:15:29,640 --> 03:15:34,020 know, Dido, you know, related to alcoholism. The President's 3217 03:15:34,020 --> 03:15:36,570 occasionally talked about that, but he almost never talks about 3218 03:15:36,570 --> 03:15:38,490 his upbringing. There's very little known and he's had 3219 03:15:38,490 --> 03:15:41,310 nothing to say publicly about this. He's answered very few 3220 03:15:41,310 --> 03:15:44,790 questions since this book came out. I tried to ask him he 3221 03:15:44,790 --> 03:15:47,550 clearly heard me this was the day it came out. I yelled out 3222 03:15:47,640 --> 03:15:50,670 and he reaction very simply any reaction to your nice, you know, 3223 03:15:50,670 --> 03:15:54,240 Mary's book, and he completely ignored me walked out at that 3224 03:15:54,240 --> 03:15:57,030 rose garden event we were talking about. I wanted to ask 3225 03:15:57,030 --> 03:16:00,270 another question, and he figured I might ask about her. He did 3226 03:16:00,270 --> 03:16:02,940 not call on me to not take any questions. He hasn't been 3227 03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:06,030 tweeting about it. He's been amazingly silent about this, 3228 03:16:06,240 --> 03:16:09,300 which makes me think it really actually really bothers him. 3229 03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:12,420 Adam Curry: And, and the reason why I'm very happy we're going 3230 03:16:12,420 --> 03:16:14,970 long as I think the story is going to someone's gonna blow in 3231 03:16:14,970 --> 03:16:17,670 the next few days. I don't want to I don't want all this work to 3232 03:16:17,670 --> 03:16:18,810 go to waste. 3233 03:16:20,160 --> 03:16:23,430 John C. Dvorak: That this is great. I'm not arguing with the 3234 03:16:23,430 --> 03:16:31,170 decision. Red Trump died in 99. This woman who is I looked at 3235 03:16:31,170 --> 03:16:33,630 her I said, she had it. First of all, she was showing off her 3236 03:16:33,630 --> 03:16:39,360 thumb ring. And she's kind of she's wearing purple lipstick. 3237 03:16:39,390 --> 03:16:42,720 Yeah, that's not and she's pissed off. And she's a pissed 3238 03:16:42,720 --> 03:16:49,140 off lesbian. Oh, yeah. She when he seriously Wow, she's a 3239 03:16:49,140 --> 03:16:51,600 lesbian and the look her up. She's lesbian. Okay. 3240 03:16:53,070 --> 03:16:55,200 Adam Curry: Let's bar radar is fantastic. 3241 03:16:56,100 --> 03:17:01,170 John C. Dvorak: Well, the thumb ring. George Stephanopoulos did 3242 03:17:01,170 --> 03:17:04,020 a long interview with her. And at some point, he was just you 3243 03:17:04,020 --> 03:17:06,600 could see he had a look of disgust on his face. And by the 3244 03:17:06,600 --> 03:17:09,810 way, when he does interviews, he's gotten to become an 3245 03:17:09,810 --> 03:17:12,240 excellent interviewer. He asked the right questions, he does the 3246 03:17:12,240 --> 03:17:16,440 right follow ups. He strings the person along perfectly keeps it 3247 03:17:16,440 --> 03:17:20,430 going, calls them out on things. And he was getting annoyed with 3248 03:17:20,430 --> 03:17:23,310 her because she was talking out of her ass and you could just 3249 03:17:23,310 --> 03:17:29,010 tell she doesn't know anything. She doesn't she doesn't know 3250 03:17:29,010 --> 03:17:32,130 anything. She's she's talking about what Donald was doing when 3251 03:17:32,130 --> 03:17:33,210 he was two. 3252 03:17:34,020 --> 03:17:38,310 Adam Curry: Right? Born How does she know that? 3253 03:17:38,580 --> 03:17:40,470 John C. Dvorak: She she doesn't know anything. She was born in 3254 03:17:40,470 --> 03:17:44,610 65. She's a mind reader. She does have a PhD in psychology. 3255 03:17:45,510 --> 03:17:50,130 But like she's a mind reader. And so whole books about that 3256 03:17:50,130 --> 03:17:52,620 you'll get a sense of that as we listened to let's start with 3257 03:17:52,620 --> 03:17:54,210 clip one and get the intro. 3258 03:17:54,359 --> 03:17:56,849 Unknown: Hello, and welcome to ABC News Live. We're hearing for 3259 03:17:56,849 --> 03:17:59,909 the first time from President Trump's niece, Mary Trump since 3260 03:17:59,909 --> 03:18:03,479 the publication are explosive two new memoir too much and 3261 03:18:03,479 --> 03:18:06,689 never enough. And I sat down and spoke with her in this exclusive 3262 03:18:06,689 --> 03:18:09,359 interview about her uncle about her belief that he is, quote, 3263 03:18:09,359 --> 03:18:11,939 utterly incapable of leaving this country and why it's 3264 03:18:11,939 --> 03:18:14,879 dangerous in her view to allow him to do so. Here's my 3265 03:18:14,879 --> 03:18:18,779 conversation with Mary Trump too much and never enough. Explain 3266 03:18:18,779 --> 03:18:19,709 why you chose to title 3267 03:18:20,220 --> 03:18:27,030 in thinking about my family. It applies because people associate 3268 03:18:27,150 --> 03:18:31,620 money with them, understandably. And for my grandfather in 3269 03:18:31,620 --> 03:18:37,230 particular. There was no such thing as having enough money. So 3270 03:18:37,230 --> 03:18:42,210 I was thinking about what that meant. And I and also thinking 3271 03:18:42,210 --> 03:18:50,250 about the psychology behind him and his children. I was very 3272 03:18:51,180 --> 03:18:58,260 curious about the foundational issues that Donald and his 3273 03:18:58,260 --> 03:19:05,310 siblings lived through. And I realized when really carefully 3274 03:19:06,390 --> 03:19:10,500 examining the kind of childhoods they had, particularly Donald 3275 03:19:10,530 --> 03:19:15,510 and my father, there was this very real sense for Donald when 3276 03:19:15,510 --> 03:19:21,690 he was quite young, that there just wasn't enough love, 3277 03:19:22,140 --> 03:19:26,760 attention, support. And for my father, who was quite a bit 3278 03:19:26,760 --> 03:19:31,140 older, there was too much attention, you know, he was the 3279 03:19:31,140 --> 03:19:34,620 heir apparent, my grandfather focused on him was 3280 03:19:34,620 --> 03:19:41,250 extraordinarily hard on him. So because there was such an odd 3281 03:19:41,850 --> 03:19:45,780 degree of difference in terms of what the children received, 3282 03:19:45,870 --> 03:19:49,920 again, particularly the two brothers for Donald's, there 3283 03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:56,040 could never be enough to compensate for the loss of what 3284 03:19:56,040 --> 03:20:01,560 he experienced as a child. And for my father Other, there was 3285 03:20:01,560 --> 03:20:06,060 always too much of the wrong thing that impacted everybody in 3286 03:20:06,060 --> 03:20:06,690 the family. 3287 03:20:07,350 --> 03:20:11,220 Adam Curry: Oh, that hurt. Her analysis of Trump is as good as 3288 03:20:11,220 --> 03:20:13,170 mine of Robyn D'Angelo. 3289 03:20:15,059 --> 03:20:17,069 John C. Dvorak: This listen to I'm going to skip that we will 3290 03:20:17,069 --> 03:20:21,479 play the successful. Let's skip to what you just heard. I want 3291 03:20:21,479 --> 03:20:24,509 you to skip to clip five on on our father. 3292 03:20:25,710 --> 03:20:27,420 Unknown: Tell me about your father is best. 3293 03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:33,240 Unfortunately, I can only do that through other people. By 3294 03:20:33,240 --> 03:20:41,040 the time I was born, he was quite ill. Alcohol, yes. Which, 3295 03:20:41,610 --> 03:20:48,000 you know, caused all other kinds of illnesses too. And because my 3296 03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:54,600 family for reasons that are rather complicated, we're very 3297 03:20:54,600 --> 03:21:01,200 invested in portraying my father, as a loser, somebody who 3298 03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:04,680 didn't tow the party line, somebody who betrayed my 3299 03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:09,120 grandfather by not going into the business, and be doing the 3300 03:21:09,330 --> 03:21:12,360 entirely irresponsible thing of becoming a professional pilot 3301 03:21:12,360 --> 03:21:20,640 for TWA at the dawn of the jet age. I much to my shame, I 3302 03:21:21,510 --> 03:21:27,780 didn't understand what he had accomplished. I was often 3303 03:21:27,780 --> 03:21:35,430 ashamed of Him, not realizing that he had no support in the 3304 03:21:35,430 --> 03:21:40,800 family and was treated as somebody who was damaged beyond 3305 03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:42,060 repair. Oh, man, 3306 03:21:42,060 --> 03:21:44,010 Adam Curry: now I feel bad for her. And she's she's 3307 03:21:44,040 --> 03:21:45,240 traumatized. 3308 03:21:46,590 --> 03:21:49,140 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, she's exactly the same as Angela. 3309 03:21:49,440 --> 03:21:52,410 Adam Curry: Yeah. And it's all it's always the dad, the dads 3310 03:21:52,410 --> 03:21:53,340 will mess you up. 3311 03:21:55,290 --> 03:21:58,530 John C. Dvorak: So she'd never knew her dad, she says, But 3312 03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:00,960 after we heard the first clip, she's going on and on with all 3313 03:22:05,370 --> 03:22:08,640 the lies away and I will tell you that Stephanopoulos was just 3314 03:22:08,640 --> 03:22:12,180 getting more and more annoyed by her let's play a clip to okie 3315 03:22:12,180 --> 03:22:13,500 dokie is a long clip. 3316 03:22:14,610 --> 03:22:17,520 Unknown: All Begins with your grandfather? Oh, absolutely. 3317 03:22:17,850 --> 03:22:20,250 Absolutely. Say he's a sociopath. 3318 03:22:20,610 --> 03:22:22,410 Yes. What do you mean by that? 3319 03:22:22,830 --> 03:22:29,940 He had no empathy. He was incredibly driven in a way that 3320 03:22:29,940 --> 03:22:35,880 turned other people including his children, his wife, into 3321 03:22:35,910 --> 03:22:40,410 pawns to be used to his own ends. If somebody could be of 3322 03:22:40,410 --> 03:22:46,770 service to Him, then He would use them. If they couldn't be he 3323 03:22:46,770 --> 03:22:53,190 excised them. And in my father's case, tragically, he was not 3324 03:22:53,190 --> 03:22:56,460 abuse. He was the wrong kind of person. He was the wrong person. 3325 03:22:56,460 --> 03:23:03,150 He was the wrong son. And my dad never recovered from that. And 3326 03:23:03,570 --> 03:23:07,710 my grandfather essentially needed to get rid of him. 3327 03:23:08,220 --> 03:23:10,920 You say your grandfather destroyed both your father 3328 03:23:11,520 --> 03:23:14,550 because he wasn't the person. Your grandfather wanted him to 3329 03:23:14,550 --> 03:23:19,920 be? Donald Trump is president knighted states. Yet you say the 3330 03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:21,600 grandfather destroyed him as well? 3331 03:23:21,630 --> 03:23:25,650 Yes. He went about it differently. Because 3332 03:23:25,710 --> 03:23:29,610 unfortunately for Donald, he could be abuse to my 3333 03:23:29,610 --> 03:23:33,630 grandfather. It wasn't as simple as that. Of course, Donald's had 3334 03:23:33,630 --> 03:23:38,670 many years of watching my father be the wrong one. behaving 3335 03:23:38,670 --> 03:23:45,630 differently. Not being not being accepted for who He was. And 3336 03:23:46,290 --> 03:23:50,670 it's impossible to know who Donald might have been it under 3337 03:23:50,670 --> 03:23:54,660 different circumstances and with different parents. But clearly, 3338 03:23:54,660 --> 03:23:58,560 he learned the lesson from watching his almost eight year 3339 03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:03,630 old brother be punished for being kind for being generous 3340 03:24:03,630 --> 03:24:09,480 for being sensitive for having interests outside of what my 3341 03:24:09,480 --> 03:24:12,930 grandfather thought was acceptable. You know, he loved 3342 03:24:12,930 --> 03:24:18,240 to hang out with his friends he loved to boat and fish and fly. 3343 03:24:18,870 --> 03:24:23,130 By the time he graduated from college, she had his private and 3344 03:24:23,130 --> 03:24:26,040 his professional pilot's license. He wasn't a killer. He 3345 03:24:26,040 --> 03:24:29,910 was not a killer. And, shockingly, that was a bad 3346 03:24:29,910 --> 03:24:34,260 thing. And Donald learn that lesson. Wow. 3347 03:24:34,950 --> 03:24:37,710 Adam Curry: This is all just based on hearsay. She wasn't 3348 03:24:37,710 --> 03:24:39,630 alive for most of that. 3349 03:24:39,780 --> 03:24:41,970 John C. Dvorak: She wasn't alive for most of that. And she never 3350 03:24:41,970 --> 03:24:45,000 knew her father even when she was at the time she was from the 3351 03:24:45,000 --> 03:24:48,660 time she was born. But what I hear is I died when she was 15 3352 03:24:48,660 --> 03:24:49,260 or 16. 3353 03:24:49,260 --> 03:24:54,270 Adam Curry: What I'm hearing a little bit of is someone who was 3354 03:24:54,270 --> 03:24:59,070 familiar with her grandfather's thinking and her side of the 3355 03:24:59,070 --> 03:25:04,230 family base. Euclid got screwed out of everything because he was 3356 03:25:04,230 --> 03:25:07,710 the wrong son. And it sounds like there's hatred and jealousy 3357 03:25:07,710 --> 03:25:09,360 of Donald J. 3358 03:25:10,140 --> 03:25:12,090 John C. Dvorak: Well, you have to remember that there was a big 3359 03:25:12,090 --> 03:25:16,110 lawsuit over the inheritance and she was behind it. She only got 3360 03:25:16,110 --> 03:25:21,570 200,000 bucks I believe, maybe when everything was divvied up, 3361 03:25:22,080 --> 03:25:28,800 and it went to the to the everybody else. Sheesh, this is 3362 03:25:28,800 --> 03:25:32,490 bullshit. This whole book is filled with just somebody, you 3363 03:25:32,490 --> 03:25:34,620 know, this is worse than some of those early books better than 3364 03:25:34,620 --> 03:25:37,920 Michael Wolfe book. Yeah, some of these. 3365 03:25:39,300 --> 03:25:41,460 Adam Curry: You know, at least the steel dossier had 3366 03:25:41,460 --> 03:25:45,900 interesting hookers peeing on on beds in Moscow. I mean, that at 3367 03:25:45,900 --> 03:25:49,380 least was a story. Now they're dragging this woman everywhere. 3368 03:25:49,380 --> 03:25:55,110 And oh, boy, she's the expert. She knows nothing. She knows 3369 03:25:55,110 --> 03:25:57,570 John C. Dvorak: nothing. And it's becomes really apparent 3370 03:25:57,570 --> 03:26:00,180 when you listen to her watch her try to answer this simplest 3371 03:26:00,180 --> 03:26:03,300 question. We got two more clips Cisco with three you write 3372 03:26:03,300 --> 03:26:05,430 Unknown: that he knows deep down that he has nothing of what he 3373 03:26:05,430 --> 03:26:09,960 claims to be. He knows he has never been loved. His children 3374 03:26:09,960 --> 03:26:10,380 love him. 3375 03:26:11,460 --> 03:26:15,840 I don't know if that's true. I don't know my cousin's very 3376 03:26:15,840 --> 03:26:21,300 well, they're much younger than I am. And I guess it also 3377 03:26:21,300 --> 03:26:23,010 depends on what that means. 3378 03:26:23,100 --> 03:26:25,440 What does it mean to you? To me, 3379 03:26:26,220 --> 03:26:31,380 love means being connected to another human being in a very 3380 03:26:31,380 --> 03:26:35,970 deep way. Being able to share things with them and trust them. 3381 03:26:37,080 --> 03:26:42,990 In terms of parent for a child, it means sacrificing for them 3382 03:26:43,020 --> 03:26:48,330 and accepting them no matter what. And never putting them in 3383 03:26:48,330 --> 03:26:53,880 a position to live for you or cheat for you or take from you. 3384 03:26:54,870 --> 03:26:58,680 And I don't know that most people in my family understand 3385 03:26:58,890 --> 03:26:59,370 that. 3386 03:27:00,450 --> 03:27:03,570 Adam Curry: You know, I don't think this has enough legs to go 3387 03:27:03,570 --> 03:27:06,450 she's got nothing. She has nothing that the media can 3388 03:27:06,450 --> 03:27:10,860 really sink their teeth into. Other than whatever she just 3389 03:27:10,860 --> 03:27:13,380 saying about stuff that she doesn't that she was only 3390 03:27:13,380 --> 03:27:16,980 hearsay that's this is I can't believe the amount of airtime 3391 03:27:16,980 --> 03:27:19,020 she's getting Rachel Maddow everywhere. 3392 03:27:19,890 --> 03:27:22,230 John C. Dvorak: Oh, they're just look, there's there's grasping 3393 03:27:22,230 --> 03:27:25,440 at straws. I mean, if you think of the John Karl commentary that 3394 03:27:25,440 --> 03:27:29,010 you heard at the beginning of this presentation, were all 3395 03:27:29,010 --> 03:27:33,660 Trump's fault. Trump is it hasn't even got the I wouldn't 3396 03:27:33,660 --> 03:27:36,780 say the balls, but he doesn't he feels bad about it. That's why 3397 03:27:36,780 --> 03:27:39,900 he's not talking about it. Trump could just say, Oh, she's you 3398 03:27:39,900 --> 03:27:42,510 know, he could say a few things about her. But he's not saying 3399 03:27:42,510 --> 03:27:45,930 anything because he's more loyal, you know, to his family. 3400 03:27:45,930 --> 03:27:48,390 And he has to just assume that you just have to let his slide 3401 03:27:48,390 --> 03:27:51,090 he's letting it slide and Carl and I tried to ask him if he 3402 03:27:51,090 --> 03:27:53,640 doesn't want to talk about it. Because, you know, he's scared 3403 03:27:53,640 --> 03:27:54,630 of a dog or 3404 03:27:54,630 --> 03:27:58,920 Adam Curry: scared scared of all this. Yeah. Okay. And, by the 3405 03:27:58,920 --> 03:28:02,250 way, this deconstruction, of something that the media is 3406 03:28:02,250 --> 03:28:06,870 putting front and center is what makes people yell on Twitter 3407 03:28:06,870 --> 03:28:12,960 that we are Trump apologists. Yeah, yeah. Just saying. I mean, 3408 03:28:12,960 --> 03:28:13,590 you can 3409 03:28:13,770 --> 03:28:15,870 John C. Dvorak: also yell at on apparently on mastodon. 3410 03:28:16,980 --> 03:28:19,290 Adam Curry: He's only got you though. I wonder what's Mary 3411 03:28:19,290 --> 03:28:19,890 Trump 3412 03:28:20,100 --> 03:28:22,170 John C. Dvorak: for this would be okay. We'll finish with this. 3413 03:28:22,230 --> 03:28:22,770 The gender 3414 03:28:22,770 --> 03:28:26,340 Unknown: divide in my family was stark, even for the 40s and 50s. 3415 03:28:26,940 --> 03:28:32,400 She had very little to do with the boys. It was almost as if 3416 03:28:32,760 --> 03:28:35,130 the boys were my grandfather's purview, and the girls were 3417 03:28:35,130 --> 03:28:35,640 hers. 3418 03:28:36,119 --> 03:28:38,909 Adam Curry: How does she know this? Well, because I don't 3419 03:28:38,909 --> 03:28:39,749 know. I think 3420 03:28:39,990 --> 03:28:47,250 Unknown: from quite early on, I think Donald just didn't expect 3421 03:28:47,850 --> 03:28:54,210 much from her. New I think by the time he was sent to New York 3422 03:28:54,210 --> 03:28:58,500 Military Academy, that she wasn't going to stand up for 3423 03:28:58,500 --> 03:29:07,410 him. And after that very tragic year when she was quite ill and 3424 03:29:08,130 --> 03:29:11,820 inaccessible when he was only two and a half. I don't think 3425 03:29:11,820 --> 03:29:13,200 the rift was ever repaired. You 3426 03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:15,630 describe her as being more or less at her wit's end with 3427 03:29:15,630 --> 03:29:18,810 damage before he sent to the military academy. Yeah. How so? 3428 03:29:20,310 --> 03:29:22,050 She didn't listen. 3429 03:29:22,289 --> 03:29:28,979 Adam Curry: No. Okay. So she actually has nothing. Nothing. 3430 03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:33,390 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's exactly right. 3431 03:29:33,900 --> 03:29:37,650 Adam Curry: That is wrong. Wow. Then they are indeed at their 3432 03:29:37,650 --> 03:29:40,770 wit's end. If this is what they're rolling out. Better, 3433 03:29:40,770 --> 03:29:42,420 fine. Sounds better. Absolutely 3434 03:29:42,420 --> 03:29:45,540 John C. Dvorak: nothing. She has no idea. And then she she just 3435 03:29:45,540 --> 03:29:48,780 contradicted herself in that last segment where she says, Oh, 3436 03:29:49,290 --> 03:29:53,520 Fred had all the boys and Mary had all the girls right. Wait, 3437 03:29:53,520 --> 03:29:56,400 why is Why is Mary at her wit's end with Donald den? 3438 03:29:57,150 --> 03:29:58,140 Adam Curry: So dumb? 3439 03:29:59,280 --> 03:30:03,030 John C. Dvorak: She is just this is I don't know what the problem 3440 03:30:03,030 --> 03:30:06,540 is. But she does talk about she wasn't she was invited to the 3441 03:30:06,540 --> 03:30:09,450 White House. She was there in 2017. And she has some stories 3442 03:30:09,450 --> 03:30:12,870 to tell about that. And she's just I know she's not she's 3443 03:30:12,870 --> 03:30:15,450 never gonna get invited back. Of course, you never know what 3444 03:30:15,570 --> 03:30:23,100 Trump is. It this is a pathetic attempt to just slam Trump 3445 03:30:23,100 --> 03:30:25,920 against oh, by the way, she mentioned she was a massive 3446 03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:30,300 hillary supporter, big donor part of the 2016 campaign. Okay. 3447 03:30:30,660 --> 03:30:33,060 So she's a hill bot, and she was, you know, she was 3448 03:30:33,090 --> 03:30:37,200 disappointed at her, you know, her nephew or whatever. I don't 3449 03:30:37,200 --> 03:30:40,170 know how to rate these things with what you call him uncle. 3450 03:30:41,610 --> 03:30:46,320 One, because he was all in for Hillary. And so the whole thing 3451 03:30:46,320 --> 03:30:50,160 is sorted in it. This is just a pathetic and to pick this up. 3452 03:30:50,370 --> 03:30:52,680 That's why he's not getting as much play as you'd think. 3453 03:30:52,680 --> 03:30:56,550 Because yeah, she's showing up on MSNBC but just saying this, I 3454 03:30:56,550 --> 03:30:59,280 think this I think he didn't really know he was three, I 3455 03:30:59,280 --> 03:31:04,080 think he even housebroken, or whatever you call that 3456 03:31:04,199 --> 03:31:07,079 Adam Curry: everything in our book is here same as fantastic. 3457 03:31:07,469 --> 03:31:09,659 All right, well, that's one you don't need to buy unless you 3458 03:31:09,659 --> 03:31:12,779 want to get a twofer and there's a deal on this book and white 3459 03:31:12,779 --> 03:31:16,529 fragility it may be something worth doing. Yeah, I would say 3460 03:31:16,559 --> 03:31:19,949 coming up on no agenda stream grumpy old Ben's will be next 3461 03:31:19,949 --> 03:31:25,919 we've got end of show mixes from the Rolando Gonzalez or seed 3462 03:31:25,919 --> 03:31:28,559 sitter, who has been starting all over the show today and 3463 03:31:28,559 --> 03:31:32,879 Jesse coy Nelson always there. Jessie, this was something to 3464 03:31:32,879 --> 03:31:36,089 entertain us with and we will return on Thursday with another 3465 03:31:36,089 --> 03:31:38,879 episode of the no agenda Show. Check out our brand new website. 3466 03:31:38,879 --> 03:31:44,639 No agenda show.com so happy with it all Judy. And I am coming to 3467 03:31:44,639 --> 03:31:50,039 you from opportunity zone 33 Here in the drone star states 3468 03:31:50,039 --> 03:31:56,369 it's the capital of Texas it's Austin to region numbers 566, 3469 03:31:56,369 --> 03:31:59,309 where my six the six in case you're looking for on the 3470 03:31:59,309 --> 03:32:02,579 governmental maps. In the morning, everybody I'm Adam 3471 03:32:02,579 --> 03:32:02,969 curry. 3472 03:32:03,900 --> 03:32:06,270 John C. Dvorak: And from Northern Silicon Valley, we were 3473 03:32:06,270 --> 03:32:09,030 hoping to go for hours. I'm John C. Dvorak. 3474 03:32:09,660 --> 03:32:11,940 Adam Curry: We'll try it again on Thursday remember us until 3475 03:32:11,940 --> 03:32:18,930 then at the vortec.org/na Until then, adios my foes and such 3476 03:32:27,210 --> 03:32:44,580 Unknown: he wants me to take a vaccine towards me well I'm not 3477 03:32:44,580 --> 03:32:54,000 an animal in any kind of so I think I take a pass 3478 03:32:54,120 --> 03:32:56,460 John C. Dvorak: it is a bit bizarre I don't really fully 3479 03:32:56,460 --> 03:32:57,330 understand it. 3480 03:32:58,080 --> 03:33:01,440 Unknown: Maybe I would do it if I get your encounters short 3481 03:33:01,440 --> 03:33:07,740 trousers and Japanese first then check on him in a year and a 3482 03:33:07,740 --> 03:33:16,620 half just see how he's doing Bill Gates says we will get back 3483 03:33:16,620 --> 03:33:28,500 to normal vaccine was no normal anyway. So keep that to 3484 03:33:28,500 --> 03:33:37,200 yourself. I can pull his pants down and jump into a scrawny 3485 03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:44,580 little class and check on him in a year and a half just to see 3486 03:33:44,580 --> 03:33:52,410 how he's doing I still wouldn't take a vaccine myself but it 3487 03:33:52,410 --> 03:33:54,780 would sure make me smile 3488 03:33:55,350 --> 03:33:58,740 I wouldn't say get angry but I'm really impatient that we're not 3489 03:33:58,740 --> 03:34:00,210 moving as fast as I'd like 3490 03:34:07,260 --> 03:34:09,000 John C. Dvorak: it sounds to me like he's saying 3491 03:34:09,030 --> 03:34:11,070 Adam Curry: boy that's what I heard in the clip I heard you're 3492 03:34:11,070 --> 03:34:16,320 saying we're hearing boy girl later yeah oh here we go. This 3493 03:34:16,320 --> 03:34:19,470 is gonna be fun it's gonna go viral finally exit strategy 3494 03:34:24,300 --> 03:34:30,930 we're going to talk to run game on the same on the run game on 3495 03:34:30,960 --> 03:34:44,910 Leaguer book stop Do you want to get sued because you like me or 3496 03:34:44,910 --> 03:34:46,380 your or your people? 3497 03:34:48,960 --> 03:34:51,150 John C. Dvorak: Again, just because that the fifth one is 3498 03:34:51,150 --> 03:34:58,290 the one that I want you to concentrate. On keep on coming 3499 03:34:58,620 --> 03:34:59,970 Adam Curry: back to weak, weaker people. 3500 03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:02,340 John C. Dvorak: Once I gotcha okay now the sixth one she says 3501 03:35:02,340 --> 03:35:05,490 all your people batch a booklet now I want you to put in your 3502 03:35:05,490 --> 03:35:10,560 mind that she's going to say, and I'm wiegers Quaker or 3503 03:35:10,560 --> 03:35:15,390 leaguer? oinker Uyghur, can you your brain did you hear I want 3504 03:35:15,390 --> 03:35:24,810 everyone Uyghur weegar book. Wow. Oh, that's a good trick. 3505 03:35:26,280 --> 03:35:28,920 Unknown: Would you let your kids go back to school? I will my 3506 03:35:28,920 --> 03:35:33,990 kids are looking forward to it. Absolutely. It's so dire at this 3507 03:35:33,990 --> 03:35:36,990 point where we've had to actually separate parts of our 3508 03:35:36,990 --> 03:35:40,080 hospitals. So we have two emergency rooms inasmuch as I 3509 03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:46,680 can. Without hesitation, yes. Those are they're very, very 3510 03:35:47,460 --> 03:35:50,520 critical issues that people come to emergency room for. And then 3511 03:35:50,520 --> 03:35:53,760 we have a separate emergency room strictly for COVID. I have 3512 03:35:53,760 --> 03:35:56,040 no concerns about sending my child to school in the fall. I 3513 03:35:56,040 --> 03:36:00,390 wasn't very serious. And we have to make sure 3514 03:36:00,630 --> 03:36:02,940 to argue with you. But you can't test closely if unless you've 3515 03:36:02,940 --> 03:36:03,750 already made a contact. 3516 03:36:04,200 --> 03:36:07,680 Everybody's a little nervous. But the vast majority wants to 3517 03:36:07,680 --> 03:36:10,350 get back into school. And the majority 3518 03:36:12,150 --> 03:36:13,710 Adam Curry: cannot trust the government and the media 3519 03:36:13,710 --> 03:36:14,100 anymore. 3520 03:36:15,000 --> 03:36:16,920 Unknown: One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in the 3521 03:36:16,920 --> 03:36:21,120 debate over reopening nation's schools, the expenses involved, 3522 03:36:21,660 --> 03:36:22,260 okay. 3523 03:36:23,010 --> 03:36:24,000 We know 3524 03:36:24,029 --> 03:36:28,109 that even an n95 mask has tremendous limitations. 3525 03:36:29,340 --> 03:36:31,830 Young people in this country are seeing 3526 03:36:33,780 --> 03:36:37,380 bars, restaurants and the young made their way into the 3527 03:36:37,380 --> 03:36:40,980 crosshairs of governors of southern states. Virus is 3528 03:36:40,980 --> 03:36:46,200 surging. This is not a moment for excuses or deflection by 3529 03:36:46,200 --> 03:36:52,980 gang, every single one of you for crimes against humanity. If 3530 03:36:52,980 --> 03:37:06,000 possible, it's going to get worse and worse and worse. MoPhO 3531 03:37:06,029 --> 03:37:09,539 boruch.org/in A. 3532 03:37:10,470 --> 03:37:13,410 I've done some dumb things. Now do dumb things again.