Unknown: Hey
Adam curry, John C Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Sunday June 30 2019. This is your award winning get
my nation media assassination episode 1151. This is no agenda,
proving that all media is advertisement and broadcasting
live from the frontier of Austin, Texas capital to draw a
star state in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where
I've been ambushed by Kamala Harris and Jhansi, Dvorak,
Raglan Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: Well, that sounds painful.
John C. Dvorak: Always. Yes. Always with the topical opening.
Adam Curry: Yes, you've been ambushed by Kamala Harris.
Before we before we do that I have something very important to
them. So to mention anything. I received an email and I was
quite shocked by this email. And it was someone who was very
pissed off with my performance on the podcast, my pot. Oh,
John C. Dvorak: you have two or three people that do they don't
like you.
Adam Curry: It was my pod performance. Apparently
performance my pod performance apparently. I have been saying,
you know, a lot.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's funny. Have you thought that?
Have you?
Adam Curry: First thing, the first thing I said is really? I
listened to an hour of the show. I didn't hear it. And as
producer said, Oh yeah, you say? You'd sounds like yo, we use
Please stop saying yeah, no, every two seconds. It sounds
like Yo it's making the show unlisted about. Yo, I thought
maybe this person sent it to wood meant to send it to Adam
Carolla instead of maybe
John C. Dvorak: he maybe was I saying, you know, no, me,
Adam Curry: me. And I said, I even replied, I said, Well, then
I'm very disappointed. John and I are supposed to catch each
other. Yes. And that was like your sound like, you sound like
an effing millennial who says like, every three years? I can't
I don't, maybe I do. But please, pay attention to it. We'll
John C. Dvorak: look Be more specific.
Adam Curry: The end of the day, you know, look
John C. Dvorak: bright, and look, in the end of the day, oh,
my god, the fact of the matter. Going.
Adam Curry: Now that's it. I've just wanted to make sure that
this is very important to the show. It's important to me, it's
important for this. I know, and I'm sure that you would have
just said I know. I said I know. But I'm not. You know,
John C. Dvorak: that may be the maybe that's the mix up. Hmm.
The problem is, I didn't hear it in an hour a whole hour, which
is, you know, it's not the whole show. But if you didn't, if you
can listen for an hour and not say the buzz phrase that people
are complaining or someone is complaining about it's probably
minor,
Adam Curry: right? Well, now I'm super aware of it. Now. You
know, now it's become a Terenzo status
John C. Dvorak: I would ID for people don't know, inside
baseball, just make this comment. Adam and I do catch
each other saying stupid crap that just generally in the
public domain, and we start doing it because everybody does.
Yeah. And one of the things that I've noticed is that when I
start doing something, Adam will catch me and then it'll take me
two or three shows to stop from doing it. Generally speaking,
when Adam is caught, even in mid show, which I have done, yeah.
By calling him out on smacking his lips or something. But but
more more importantly, when there's a phrase that keeps
being repeated. You know, when it's filler, it's all filler.
You know,
Adam Curry: you just said, you know,
John C. Dvorak: it could be it could be me, maybe the guy's
thinking that he doesn't understand the difference
between our voices. The point is, is that when I pointed out
to Adam, he's almost opposite immediately. I find it
Adam Curry: very well. It's my nerving. It's my Tourette's
power. It's unnerving. It's my Tourette's power. I have the
ability to stop the Tourette's for periods of time, depending
on what I'm doing. So I have this. I have this mental ration,
right. But now it's working in the opposite,
John C. Dvorak: isn't it? Because you're also a neat
freak. And this cleans up your?
Adam Curry: Yes, my wife would disagree, but okay. Yeah, well,
now, but now I have a different issue is this is such a, in
fact, I remember when, you know, was big, and it was probably
when I was eight or nine years old. still big. It had been in
the 70s. At a certain point with everyone, you know, you know,
and I recall someone maybe at school, stop saying that. And
enough for that to come back and to be told that I'm that I'm
using this now. It's almost like a Tourette's thing that I want
to say, you know,
John C. Dvorak: you might want to switch it to the more modern
version, which is, you know what I'm saying, You know what I'm
saying?
Adam Curry: No, it's come on now. No wonder the black
version. Come on. Now.
John C. Dvorak: You know what I'm saying?
Adam Curry: Come on now. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Then watch
too much black YouTube. Influenced over influenced.
Well, now, we had a second debate. We Which I'm sure people
would like to hear our take on to some degree. Well, I've
John C. Dvorak: got too much of a degree. Although I don't have
that many clips from the debate. I do have a couple. I have
mostly
Adam Curry: Well, I'd like to ask you something first. How's
that? Biden Harris ticket working out for you. You are so
sure of
John C. Dvorak: debts still in place.
Adam Curry: Cabal errs wipes the floor with Joe Biden. And I'm
sitting there thinking, aha, yeah, that's gonna be a great
ticket. After the first time she swiped the wipe the floor with
them. Then she really came back and did the whole full on racist
bussing thing, regardless of the truth of it. Diamond now that's
never going to work again ever. We have more chance of Kamala
Harris Pete Buttigieg ticket than a Biden Harris ticket. So
pack it in.
John C. Dvorak: But it's got to be a woman. It's not going to be
Elizabeth Warren. I have too many clips. No, you don't. And
we can talk about this later that you can do the ABC analysis
of the Biden Harris thing. It's just the first
Adam Curry: one was talking let's talk about some basic some
basic things I had not noticed maybe only during the second
debate that the lecterns light up when someone's out of time.
Yellow Red. I don't understand why in this situation. They
don't all have buzzers. And then you know, you hit the buzzer
then your lectern should light up and then it's your turn to
talk that would have made it so much easier and more
entertaining to watch.
John C. Dvorak: It would have been very entertaining with
buzzers.
Adam Curry: Kamala Harris 30 seconds. It would have been
fantastic. Because then you can say excuse me, you didn't buzz
in. It's just this format seems seems ripe for
John C. Dvorak: you look at the red light that goes off on their
lecterns. Yeah. Who's that? Who's that benefit? They?
Adam Curry: They can't see it. I was wondering, Well, maybe you
can see some some changes. We
John C. Dvorak: have a little red light on their thing, too.
We don't know. But it's obviously to make it clear that
they're talking overtime to the audience. Yes. But it doesn't.
But to the TV viewing audience, which is really the audience,
you'd hardly notice it. In fact, you just mentioned that you
didn't know what it was in the first day it was they had it in
play in the first debate. Well, here,
Adam Curry: here comes my second point. Not only should we have
buzzers and lights to indicate who buzzed in, unless you're
directly asked a question, but you can intervene with a buzzer.
We shouldn't have an audience. We don't need the audience. It's
annoying. This has been discussed on the show. It's
annoying, it's distracting. It takes away time.
John C. Dvorak: I heard this argument on one of the panels.
And it was the same logic. And I decided now, first of all, this
thing is bad enough. Have you ever watched one of these local
debates or some of this regional debates where they have people
with no audience? It's extremely depressing to watch. It would
not work without an audience. It would be a depressing, weird
quality to it that you could Well,
Adam Curry: can I make a suggestion? Why don't we just do
a laugh track and sweeten it? That would be that sweeten it a
little bit? And I think that that would be more reasonable.
John C. Dvorak: Well, the audience really does add a
dimension that even though it's stupid, it adds something to
what would otherwise be horrible, horrible. All right,
so so I'm not buying into that one. Most of this is to do the
back and forth with the Biden versus Harris analyze on ABC.
Okay.
Adam Curry: Joe Biden came to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow PUSH
coalition today looking for a do over
that was to stop right there. When I saw that live happening.
I said to myself, Wow, now you're really going as deep as
you can. Joe, do you think he had to pay it? Did he think he
had to pay a cover fee to get in? Or do you think he just got
on stage and was all good? That was the first time he spoke,
which is was how it was built. Biden speaks for first time
after debate. Yeah. Do you think he had to pay Do you think he
had to pay or it wasn't a just hop
John C. Dvorak: on the offer Jesse Jackson, the vice
presidency.
course before I start, I'd like to say something about the
debate we had last night.
Adam Curry: He's talking about that defining moment from last
night's debate, Senator Kamala Harris confronting the former
vice president for touting his ability to work with anyone,
even segregationist senators,
John C. Dvorak: I do not believe you are a racist. And I agree
with you when you commit yourself to the importance of
finding common ground. But I also believe and it's personal
and I was actually very it was hurtful to hear you talk about
the reputations of two United States senators who built their
reputation Patients and career on the segregation of race in
this country.
Adam Curry: Harris then took on Biden for his opposition in the
70s to federally ordered busing to integrate public schools. And
she made it personal.
John C. Dvorak: There was a little girl in California, who
was part of the second class to integrate her public schools.
And she was bused to school every day. And that little girl
was me.
Adam Curry: On stage Biden forced to go on the defensive.
John C. Dvorak: mischaracterized my position across the board. I
did not praise racist. That is not true.
Unknown: Do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose Brown?
Adam Curry: Did they just cut that off? He didn't even let
didn't even keep in his explanation as to why he wasn't
racist. They just cut it right out,
John C. Dvorak: cut it true. Get to the point where she's like
demanding your beautiful.
Unknown: Do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose busing
in America? Do you agree I did
not oppose busing in America. What I opposed is busing ordered
by the Department of Education. That's what I opposed
John C. Dvorak: today in Chicago and attempted cleanup.
I heard and I listened to and I respect Senator Harris. But you
know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on the
campaign debate exchange, can't do justice to a lifetime job. I
fought my heart out to ensure that civil rights and voting
rights equal rights are enforced everywhere.
Adam Curry: I've decided we just need to keep that yellow on hand
for any time someone uses the word justice in any context.
It's just important.
John C. Dvorak: Anyway, so he goes on with a cut it off there
for some reason went to part let's go to part two, I'll
figure out why aren't forced everywhere.
All right, Mary Bruce joins us now from Washington and Mary,
the discussion today, not just about Joe Biden's Rough night
but also about a strong showing for Senator Kamala Harris. And
tonight the Senator is though changing one of her answers on a
key question.
Unknown: Well, Tom Harris last night raised her hand in support
of abolishing private health insurance and replacing it with
a government run plan. Now today, she said she
misunderstood the question and tried to walk it back. But Tom,
this is not the first time that she's had to do some cleanup on
this issue. And tonight, her position still remains a little
murky.
John C. Dvorak: I thought this fall back by ABC, the obvious
I'm guessing that the powers that be do not want this woman
even getting close to becoming the nominee. Oh, and that little
bit at the end, there seemed to be put in there for a reason.
They didn't need to do that if they're just talking about this
battle between Biden and Harris.
Adam Curry: And so a lot of people made a big deal about it.
I wonder how many people how many voters actually thought
that's a problem
John C. Dvorak: or, but didn't drop him in the polls. The polls
just came out this morning, and he's still up there. And the guy
got dropped a little bit of Sanders, who was in the middle
of those two yelling at her yelling at him. There by the
way, Sanders had way too much lipstick on.
Adam Curry: I didn't notice the lipstick.
John C. Dvorak: Oh my god. It puts a nice shadow on the guy
could have done his show.
Adam Curry: He could have been reading storytime that
preschoolers? Yeah, exactly. Well, I thought Bernie, his rap
was good. But it was it was the wrong rap for this for this
show. Now his rap is take the money from the rich. It's pretty
much not even give it to the board. Just let's take it all
from the rich. Yeah, just take it. And there's nothing wrong
with that, because people respond very well. And with our
novel understanding of modern monetary theory, he wouldn't
even have to tax Wall Street. He should just say the way it is.
We don't have to tax anybody. We'll just print it.
John C. Dvorak: But he's not a he's not an empty guy.
Adam Curry: I thought his his campaign lady wasn't MMT
John C. Dvorak: Yes, she is she is. I can't remember secret
school him a
Adam Curry: little bit. So he can say, bar. I can do it,
Bernie. He
John C. Dvorak: won't do it. He has not done a he she is the MMT
woman. And she's all in on this. And he but he and he doesn't
bring up the printing money. But he does bring up and he did in
this last night, the income inequality. And so he harps on
equality, which is part of again, justice.
Adam Curry: Now, let's go back to ABC and the insurance
comments. Now let's just look. Are there any corporate things
that would make sense there? I mean, it's a huge corporation.
Insurance companies are just banks. The NAD in their essence,
John C. Dvorak: insurance companies do a lot of
advertising. True and extreme actually. And in fact for Geico
and no.
Adam Curry: Very big I think GEICO or
John C. Dvorak: mutual does a bunch of ads and I think GEICO
Adam Curry: and, and one other is in the top 10 advertisers
recive Yeah. Now CBS does seem to like Kamala and they said no
camera or camera. It's, it seems people go back and forth a
John C. Dvorak: Kamala, I say Kamala Gayle King
Adam Curry: gushes
Unknown: her performance last night is certainly what people
are talking about this morning. I'm hearing words like a star is
born. She is fervent, but she is fervent but deploys her anger
precisely like a flashlight. voters in Iowa, New Hampshire
are telling CBS news today that she
Adam Curry: deploys her anger like a flashlight. I think Lazar
would have been better. But let's see again deploys
her anger precisely like a flashlight. voters in Iowa, New
Hampshire are telling CBS news today that you had a strong
performance. How do you intend to capitalize on that momentum?
Clearly, the T shirts is one way understand that those are
already on sale.
That she meant capitalized literally, I guess. Yeah. look
funny little girl, the little girl T shirts. So this so this
is
John C. Dvorak: nonsense. By the way, let's there was a good
essay that I put online and this link in the newsletter, I
already put it in the show notes. And it is discusses the
nonsense at Berkeley schools are already integrated by the time
she came around.
Adam Curry: Let's just explain. Because you live there, I really
liked your personal take in the newsletter, I'd see if you could
explain this. Again, you lived in Berkeley. And what she said
about B if we have to explain busing a little bit, what she
said was a lie.
John C. Dvorak: Well, busing was hated by the public at large.
And it both communities, the whites, blacks that nobody likes
to because especially people who had gone through a lot of
trouble to not necessarily the poorest of the blacks. But
people gone a lot have gone to a lot of trouble to move to a
school district and near a school that their kid could walk
to school safely.
Adam Curry: And the idea was, and this was in that regard,
Biden was probably more on the right side of this.
John C. Dvorak: He was on the right side of history, more or
less, but looking in hindsight, because people that come along
like the Justice Democrats who weren't even alive, many of them
during that era, don't realize how divisive it was. And it
caused nothing but trouble for everybody. So the idea was
forced busing where you take your kid and they get to school,
you can be living right next door to a school, your kid could
walk to school, and the bus comes and picks him up. And
drags drags him across town to some other school. So you can
balance the races in these different schools. It didn't
work out very well. And they it was mostly done away with in
fact, they got some very funny stuff. What's going on the most
segregated schools in the country and the most liberal
city in the world are New York, New York City is the most
segregated schools. And that's how the final result of busing
Thank you. Bye be quite hilarious. But anyway, so at
Berkeley was always a liberal operation. It was run by extreme
radicals of even in the 70s. And there was no way there was going
to have a segregation or anything like that going on.
She's just exaggerating this now, to an extreme, it's
ridiculous. One thing Berkeley were talking about and her
father's a professor, and this is nonsense. She's making this
up and,
Adam Curry: you know, Kamala also vacationed in India in the
summer. It wasn't
John C. Dvorak: like she was we went to Canada to go to go to
high school. Yes, she
Adam Curry: was. She was wealthy, and it was for her. And
this is how it was explained to me from my ADOS friends, for
Kumala it wasn't really an opt in. She wanted to or her parents
her mom, I would say wanted her to to have this experience. But
for most kids, it was not a it was a it was a lock in this is
what you had you had no no choice. This is what you had to
do. And but Comala had many different options and choices
with their family. One of them is you vacationing summers in
India or going wherever she needed to go she was privileged
privilege. And the and the feeling is that she is stealing
people's history.
John C. Dvorak: What's it called when you steal when you were
army uniform and your pretend to be that you are in false false
Adam Curry: valor? Is it false false, or is that what it is
something valor is what
John C. Dvorak: she's doing? Yes. And kind of an obtuse way.
I mean, she's false. Valor victim
Adam Curry: Stolen Valor. I'm sorry stolen, stolen, stolen
somebody. Thank you. Trolls trolls. I have I
John C. Dvorak: don't want to I want to jump to the teen panel.
Adam Curry: Which is probably much more entertaining than the
actual deal.
John C. Dvorak: I think so. But except for the one I do have the
Biden gaffa gaffes if you don't have it.
Adam Curry: I I have I have no clips from the debate itself. I
just have some clips around the debate. What's the Bible? Okay,
John C. Dvorak: well, I have a couple of debate clubs that are
quite good especially the Biden gaffe of gaffes. Was you just
upset the upset the Democrats to know and the Democrats are very
upset by this? I mean the hard ask the blue Books and shields.
I do have books and shields. Let's jump to that. First I'll
get out of the way so we can see how they felt. And then I'd also
another guy who was really disappointed his Van Jones. He
was he was almost in tears. He was Brooks and shields debate
rundown. And by the way, there's no Edison here. There's Brooks
and shields, debate rundown Shields and Brooks sorry,
shields.
Adam Curry: Finally, you figured out how I work. I know how you
work
John C. Dvorak: alphabetical?
Unknown: You know, I think my main takeaway is how far the
Democratic Party has gone to the left and how little the
moderates in the debates have any interest in fighting it to
candidates, Warren and Sanders said they want to get rid of all
private health plans, employer based health plans, only 13% of
Americans agree with that. All of the candidates of all stripes
seem to think they can't get anybody to their left on
immigration policy. And they're wondering very close to sort of
an open borders type approach. And this would be I think,
devastating in the fall, this country has 35% of people who
call themselves conservative 35%, who call themselves
moderates, and 26%, who call themselves liberals. You can't
win with 26%. But this debate was entirely within that. That
little parenthesis.
John C. Dvorak: Is that what you're saying? Mark in this
first debate?
Well, I don't see things exactly the way you do from Aspen. But
no, I would say this, Judy, for those Democrats for whom the
highest moral objective politically in 2020 is the
retirement of Donald Trump. It's not been a good week.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I already know what the gaffe of gases.
John C. Dvorak: Well, the gaffer gases also shields picked up in
another gaff, which I went back to look for, and I couldn't
quite get it. But apparently one of the candidates was going on,
and I bought eat quality quality or the egalitarian thing again,
we talked about in the last show, and they wanted to make
sure that transgenders I guess, trans women who have women who
wasn't
Adam Curry: it wasn't this. This was the first debate. This was
your your boy, Julian Castro.
John C. Dvorak: Well, this is the one where they said they
should make sure that they can get abortions,
I would say this, I'd say collectively, for the Democrats,
it was not good. Just think of the 80 yards of the field that
Republicans have surrendered to them on the abortion issue. I
mean, Republicans have been running away from what
Republicans did in Alabama, and Georgia, and in Missouri, and
Ohio. And the President has been distancing himself even and what
Democrats do. I mean, they basically just endorse abortion
and throw in Well, how about trans people covering abortion?
I just it to me that they just wasn't thinking in terms
strategically. I mean, they own the majority position in the
country safe, legal, rare. So to me, I just don't understand.
Adam Curry: I think it was a Castro and it was the first
evening and I find it really disingenuous what a lot on the
right, and conservatives are tweeting, because what he what
he meant by his statements, I wish I had a clip of it was, you
know, he's trying to show his incredible wokeness by saying
trans men. I think trans men can have babies and he's, you know,
it just it everyone took that as Oh, how can a man have a uterus?
Tucker Carlson? Like, please, we know what he meant. He meant
that you can have female reproductive organs. Yeah,
female reproductive organs, you could still be transitioning to
man and have a baby and have right to, to to reproductive
health care. So for anyone who went out and said, Oh, could a
man have a baby deck? You're stupid.
John C. Dvorak: You just heard the super liberal shields, say
the same thing. So you can't just blame the right the right
what
Adam Curry: he should have said is men have a fronthaul we know
the language. You want to have discussed this yesterday. We
should have had that in the debate. Now. Was it a ridiculous
thing to say? Yes, of course it was, Hey, maybe I can pick up
five people by saying that. Okay, good work. Okay,
John C. Dvorak: let's go to do this is the one that everybody
bitched about, as shields did too. And this is Biden. A lot of
this has to do with these guys not listening to the moderators,
the moderators not promoting themselves. And so the question
is asked, what's the first thing you're gonna do when you're
president?
Adam Curry: And right, I thought that was a cue. I'm waiting.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, no, I mean, I got it. I'm sorry. Sorry.
What's the first thing you're gonna do with your when you're
president and when they went to bite and he goes off? First of
all, he goes off the rails and says a number of things that
don't make any sense. If you listen carefully. It's worth
analyzing what he said about Obama. And then he brings
himself back to the question which apparently he forgot. And
this is the result
Adam Curry: you may have only get one shot and your first
issue that you're going to push you get one shot, that it may be
the only thing you get past. What is that first issue for
your presidency? Vice President Biden your first issue, Mr. Vice
President,
John C. Dvorak: I think you're so underestimated with Barack
Obama did. He's the first man to bring together the entire world
196 nations to commit to deal with climate change immediately.
I don't buy that. The first, the first thing I would do is make
sure that we defeat Donald Trump.
Well, first of all, he starts off by talking about Obama. And
that was the the transition was accurate there. I didn't it
wasn't edited. The he says that specifically chuck, chuck does.
And he says, well, then he bitches about people not taking
Obama's climate change thing. And then he says, I don't buy
that. In that regard. What does he mean? I don't buy that. He
says Obama does first guy who did all this stuff. I don't buy
that. What he said was
Adam Curry: listened again. That's it's worth it. I want to
see what was
you may only get one shot and your first and then what is that
first issue for your presidency? Vice President Biden your first
issue you got a vice president?
John C. Dvorak: I think you're so underestimated when Barack
Obama did He's the first man to bring together the entire world
196 nations to commit to deal with climate change. I mean, you
try to I don't buy that.
Adam Curry: Interesting. There was no reason for that is
interesting. I don't buy that. I'm by that and by what that. I
think if this was an answer that he had pre programmed in case,
something something came up about,
John C. Dvorak: I've just analyzed it. Go ahead. Here's
what he brought that up because somebody else had said
something. And let's be the first to do this or that. And
then he's so Biden felt obliged to the to Yes, exactly. And so
his idol by that referred to whoever it was that said
something beforehand? Yeah. And then he comes back to the
question just these guys. You know, there's always like they
have to hold on to grudges that other people said somebody that
would didn't make any sense
Adam Curry: held onto it right into his answer. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: So you ended up screwing up big time and he says
the first thing he wants to do when he's president is make sure
Trump's out what I think you're gonna just crazy. This is like
the joke about Maxine Waters saying when I'm elected
President, I'm going to impeach Trump.
Adam Curry: But but to be fair to Uncle Joe sleepy Joe. Peace.
So, first, he says this about the first thing I'll do. And
then he doesn't say that. The first thing I have to do is get
rid of Trump. He says the what we got to do is get rid of
Trump.
Unknown: The first The first thing I would do is make sure
that we defeat Donald Trump's
Adam Curry: Yeah, I guess it was a gaffe. It was no good. It was
let's face it, Joe was no good. He was just no good. He was in a
different mode. He
Unknown: you know, he has kind of shook up earlier because
Adam Curry: she she rattled him rattled him severe right down to
the teeth.
Definitely.
John C. Dvorak: Here's another one that I got. Before I get to
teens. This is Comala on Trump as a threat.
What is the greatest national security threat to the United
States? It's Donald Trump. And I'm gonna tell you why. Because
I agree climate change represents an existential
threat. He denies the science. You want to talk about North
Korea real threat in terms of nuclear arsenal, but what does
he do? He embraces Kim Jong Un, a dictator for the sake of a
photo op.
Adam Curry: I want to say a few things about Comala. Before we
move on to the teens, she had a fantastic line, which I think
really got everyone's attention and she actually is very expert
at how she does things. She said instead of a food fight. We
don't want a food fight we want while America's trying to put
food on the table was rehearsed perfectly executed. She Yes.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm not gonna disagree. She threw that
in there but it was totally rehearsed. Yes. And she she goes
in with the food fight food on the table. This is the other
thing. These guys and I mentioned this in the
newsletter. They are no I mentioned it in the in the
rundown, which is linked to in the newsletter. All these guys
went on and on about stuff like the food fight, we want food on
the table economy sucks. It's only the stock market's doing
well. Nobody owns stocks, and we're all dying out here. And
then that was like a big problem. They all mentioned at
the beginning of the debate. And then when it came to the very
end of the debate, they said, What is your top priority? And
without, without maybe one or two little No, no, no real
Adam Curry: climb? In a change,
John C. Dvorak: climate change climate change climate, was the
economy so bad and people can't put? He says food on the table.
Don't you think that's a little more important than, you know
regulating carbon dioxide? Yes,
Adam Curry: surely you didn't take any of this seriously. The
other thing I get very serious, I take it seriously. The other
thing I need to say is that Kamala Harris is an outstanding
storyteller. She has a way to draw you in. Yeah, she's good.
John C. Dvorak: I her I died. She doesn't do too many of them.
Everything's a story of what you're supposed to do. I mean,
Reagan was a master at this. And she does it. I her stories to me
seem like bullshit.
Adam Curry: It's unimportant. If they're bullshit or not, who
cares? She tells a story and she grabs I'm just analyzing the
content is almost it's clearly unimportant because they're all
over the map themselves.
John C. Dvorak: No, I agree. Okay, let's go here, Liz. Here's
a little angle on her that I thought Brooks. This was, to me
a new observation I never thought of I didn't hear the
quote before is Brooks on Kumala.
So David, whether it was Kamala Harris or Pete Buda judge or you
know, we lest we forget the first night, when we had
Elizabeth Warren, up there with the others, were there
candidates who significantly help themselves in these
debates?
Unknown: Yeah, I would say Warren and Harris would be the
two that what's interesting is right now the the key fight is
who's going to be the progressive rival, who's going
to be the progressive the face for progressive side of the
party, and Warren and sanders and Harris are all vying for it.
I think Warren and Harris did particularly well. I've always
thought Harris is going to be the most formidable progressive,
just because her whole life going back to when she was a
prosecutor. She's just a forceful argue where she's, she
says, I have an eye for an enemy. I know I have to go after
them. And that strikes me is right for the mood of a lot of
progressive and a lot of Democrats.
Adam Curry: I agree. I think she's a force to be reckoned
with this just one thing that has happened that that we need
to highlight. Donald Trump Jr. retweeted a tweet that targeted
Kamala Harris's identity as quote, not an American black.
And now he has since I don't know why, but he has since
deleted this retweet, like a little post a. It because this
is a nightmare to the American descendants of slavery. They are
seeing Obama 2.0 literally the same, not a drop of African
American blood in either of them. And what did they
immediately confronted to what is joy read hop on and what is
birtherism 2.0? Another birther racist, which will immediately
stifle any debate about her heritage, which is it she's
using, so it's it shouldn't be fair play. It should be fair
play to talk about it.
John C. Dvorak: But she jumped in on this debate saying I'm the
black one up here that I can do this. I should talk about race
because I am the one
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. But you can't because then you're
racist and it's a birtherism and birtherism is a racist that oh
my god, they're doing the same to hurt they did do a bomb. Ah,
except now it's blacks doing it.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I have the not a racist ISO, for your
consideration. Wait a minute. Okay,
Adam Curry: I do not believe you are a racist. That's not
bad. That's not bad.
John C. Dvorak: I'm just going to teen panel. So don't get
wrapped us up. All right. Okay, this teen panel is the first
take. And it starts off with a confident analysis of the kids
and then the one black girl on there's two girls that are of
color, but there's one is black. And she hates Kamala. And she
brings up some points that she brings them up again after this
clip. But she makes the points that the A das would make. And
this is a this is a serious, something that has to be
considered because the black community is not going to come
out in droves necessarily, if at all to vote for her. And this
needs to be realized by the by apparently the I'm thinking the
Democrats are just oblivious to this. Oh, man.
Adam Curry: It was a lively room in here tonight. A lot of hot
takes, and I'm going to ask for them. Now guys, you've had a lot
to say while we were watching and I want those top line
reactions right now what what stood out about the candidates
and what was your take on on the debate overall tonight,
especially compared with last night
was the Vice President Biden and Senator Sanders both buckled
under the pressure of being front runners? You know, it
seemed like when the heat really got turned up on them, they
could hold the route. And I think that that's pretty big.
You know, are they going to be able to last in this field? And
you know, for somebody like Vice President Biden,
you If you know Kamala Harris was pretty tough on him tonight,
the President is going to be tough on him in a general
election, is he going to be able to handle that?
John C. Dvorak: Speaking of Kamala Harris, I felt that even
though tonight a lot of the candidates were able to come at
Joe Biden for his controversial past, I think that Kamala was
able to benefit from people not checking up on her particular
paths, as she talked about her role in regards to prison reform
and immigration. I feel like other candidates should have
held her feet to the fire just as they held Joe Biden to that
standard, as well. So that should be interesting to see
what's going to happen in the future. However, I do feel that
she was able to make very strong quotes that are going to be
headliners. And from that people aren't going to be under the
impression that she quote unquote, won this debate. I
however, don't think so.
Adam Curry: Right now. She's she's saying it in nice terms,
actually. Very, very
John C. Dvorak: pleasant. I just brought it up again later. And
she's bitches a little bit more about her. But she does not like
this woman. And that makes it clear after a while, but she's,
you know, these kids, or did they get their shot at
television? So let's listen to this is teen panel to somebody
who's making a good point?
Unknown: Yeah. I mean, you guys, when I asked you about Joe
Biden, before the debate, I asked who was excited? Nobody
raised their hands. What did his performance tonight do to change
your opinion of him?
John C. Dvorak: He was a distraction. I feel like the
entire debate because a lot of the candidates were just using
their time to attack him and go at him. And then he spent all of
his time basically defending themselves saying, Oh, this is
what I did. This is what I did. And he very rarely talks about
what he actually planned to do. There wasn't a lot of substance
with that. That's why I was more interested in some of the
candidates like Pete Buttigieg. And Andrew Yang, because they
were just more focused on what they were actually planning to
do. And even though they didn't get as many opportunities to
speak as some of the headliners, they actually use their time to
explain what they plan to do.
Adam Curry: Not very inspirational. But by the way,
as I went back and watched pieces from the first debate,
Julian Castro kept repeating about the removal of section
1325. From the Immigration Act. Yeah. And I decided it was I
don't know what what drove me. Maybe my crazy no agenda had to
look up what section 1325 is. It is it is, you know, as you say,
well, we need to decriminalize, when you say decriminalize?
Doesn't that sound kind of soft? Like ah, you know, so make it a
misdemeanor or something like that
John C. Dvorak: actually decriminalized doesn't even
misdemeanor is a criminal act.
Adam Curry: Right? Well, so Okay, so then he's being
truthful, because section 1325 is the only section that sets
forth the criminal offences relating to proper improper
entry into the United States, which has the foreigner five
year or I think $250,000 penalty that's on the books. I mean, if
you come in illegally, there is a penalty. And he wants and it's
a very short section, he wants the whole section to be removed.
Yeah, open borders, which is the literal definition of open
borders. And that's okay, that you can have that opinion. But
the one thing we've we've agreed on you and I hear is you can't
have open borders, and medical health care for everybody who's
here. And this is exactly what they're saying. And every single
one of them in the second debate, put their hands up this
should undocumented aliens have healthcare.
John C. Dvorak: Right. I mean, what what nobody said because
there's no moderates. Brooks bitched about this, there's no
moderate said to defend themselves saying, look, look,
which is what we heard a lot from Biden, look, if you're
going to have open borders, which by the repeal of that act
of that section section, I mean, that means anyone with the worst
kind of medical condition living in southern Mexico and a farm
would zoom up to the United States for free medical care. I
mean, we just invite the sickest of the sick to come into the
country to get free medical care, because you're going to
treat them. Does this make sense to anybody as a good idea?
Adam Curry: Apparently,
John C. Dvorak: I mean, even when I went to Canada to get
some medical, get a flu shot, some years back to go to their
to their healthcare system. I had to pay. Was it free? Yeah.
You're not a Canadian. You have to pay there's a card if you're
a Canadian. Yeah, it's free. If you're an American using their
system, no, it's not free. You pay it or at a normal rate, and
they cost me 50 bucks or something was not cheap. But the
point is, is that no, they want to give free everything to
everybody and have open borders at the same time. And nobody is
calling them out on this. Just as a quick as a as just
impractical
Adam Curry: as a quick addition to Section 1325, subsection C,
this pertains to Ilan Omar, fresh Congresswoman, from where
she from Wisconsin,
John C. Dvorak: Somalia. Well, that's
Adam Curry: where she's from. Now there's, there's ample
evidence that she married her brother to help him. Enter into
the United States. Yeah, there's plenty of evidence under
Subsection C, any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration
laws shall be imprisoned for not more than five years or fined?
Not more than $250,000 or both. And she could go to jail. I wish
she would. That'd be great. It'd be good for the show. That's for
sure. No, it'd be good for Yeah. All right.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, so here's the final phenomena I've been
asked to dominate, I got to ask Adam segments, I'm gonna, this
is going to be one of them. So they're going to give us a
rundown. This is the same they did the last time who won the
debates, but they're gonna make it they're made it more
interesting. They're gonna ask the kids who if you combine both
of these debates, who was the winner? And I'm gonna ask you,
what do you think the answer was? Well, hold on a second.
Unknown: As Adam, will he know, Oh, really? Well, I don't know.
But here we go.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's right. You came to the right place. If
you want to have answers to the questions you ask because the
ask Adam segment, what was your question again?
John C. Dvorak: Kids are going to pick the winner of both
debates. In other words, not one or the other, but combined.
Also, oh, who won the combined debates?
Adam Curry: And these kids are how old?
John C. Dvorak: They're all. Janet like Jeff. Soft. I would
say sophomores in college
Adam Curry: level. Now is it just gonna be one answer? I
think the kids gonna have different answers. And they're
gonna
John C. Dvorak: have waffle Of course, no one's gonna give one
answer, but they're going to kind of beat around the bush.
But there will be a conclusion at the end and you'll hear it
Adam Curry: I would think I would think there would be more
people interested than we might surmise in Marianne Williamson,
who I respect for being Irish. Listen, look, let me cerimon No,
I'm not gonna Theramin now even I had to tweet out a funny video
about her because it she really, you know, she wasn't given any
chance, no equal chance at all horrible moderation. They just
didn't give her anything they should
John C. Dvorak: have let her talk more. That's what the
Republicans want. They're the ones supporting her. I pointed
this on the newsletter, it turns out that most of her support is
coming from Republicans to keep her on the debate stage. Kind of
a chicken shit Dang. Funny.
Adam Curry: Now she's a New York Times bestselling author. I've
listened to some of her some of her motivational stuff and it's
it's she's helped millions of people
John C. Dvorak: who listen to these while you're in the
bathtub with all those candles all over the place.
Adam Curry: That's right. I when I told you, baby, that's exactly
what he would say. And nailed it. I'm just I said that's
John's only response can be that because you're an old
misogynistic white guy. And I give anybody who says I'm gonna
run for president. She met the criteria. She had 50,000 people
who were on her list to the million and a half dollars, I
give her some respect for standing there. And at least she
had a different message and her message was inspirational.
Although she knew you can't give your inspirational message in 60
seconds. She has no chance but out of respect for her and
everyone out there you know your massage. Not you John. Well, a
little bit misogynistic asshole, and you should be called out on
it's making fun of her. She's a witch. All that. Okay, great.
Anyway, now let's listen. So I would say that there's more
interested in Marion Williams Williamson than they think than
we would expect. And I would say Pete Buttigieg appeals to them
the most
Unknown: well, that's a good guess. And it's probably wrong.
Oh, very.
So who won from both nights? Let's start with you
John C. Dvorak: know one on Well, tonight no one won. But
yesterday it was who Leon a customer,
Unknown: I think who Leon one for both nights because he was
actually to show his personality and also his policy.
John C. Dvorak: I think Castro from last night definitely. But
Kamala Harris for tonight. But I would say overall probably
Castro would prevail.
Adam Curry: I think Secretary Castro stands out.
Unknown: Lex I thought Castro did stand out. During the last
debate. I also thought Elizabeth Warren did a pretty good job.
Between both nights I liked Castro more just because I
really wasn't expecting anything out of him I guess you could say
and he stood out during this debate. Again. I thought Pete
Buda judge did a great job. And as I thought in his limited time
speaking Andrew Yang did a good job.
Adam Curry: I actually think Kamala Harris won both nuts at
the debate. I think she showed herself to be Be able to battle
another politician for clearly immoral policies in the past. I
liked how she stood for something very clearly. And I
also liked that she was a very strong speaker, She asserted
herself. And that's something I want to see in a presidential
presidential candidate, especially when they take on
Trump.
Yeah, surprising. I did not expect Julianne to be such a
front runner on almost swept. And these are their 18 to 21
year olds, that kind of
John C. Dvorak: dreams. You're probably too I'd say 20 years
old. 20. Yeah. 2021 out down to use any ATV freshmen in there,
but could be there. You know, they're in college types. Right.
Okay. Well,
Adam Curry: that's surprising.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I think it was great that you brought up
that thing about the segment a section of the law that he wants
to repeal, which means he's an open border guy. Totally. And
they don't see these kids.
Adam Curry: They don't they don't see it. They don't see it
yet. And then it probably see that they don't know what
section 13 This is why he's saying section. Let's repeal
section 1325. Six. No one is like, Oh, whatever. I'm sure
it's something where no one looks up looks it up anymore. To
like, that's why he's not saying we should open our borders. That
wouldn't work but to say repeal section 1325. Ah, well, I'm all
in with that sounds like math to do it. Andrew Yang was bitching
and moaning. And I think we need to deconstruct all he does.
Well, this is after this is him speaking to his constituents.
And there were also a few times FYI, where I just started
talking being like, Hey, I'd like to add something there and
my mic was not like they were
talking like it all of a sudden like takes over the Convo
nothing's happening.
A bit too. Yeah. Seems to be a problem with Andrew Yang. And
not just in the debate, but on this clip, that he's you can't
hear him. He's, uh, he claims that his mic was turned off all
big controversy, turning his mic off. And I went back and I
looked, it's, here's the way it works. When someone is talking,
the engineer brings down all the other mics you have to you're
not off what he was not caught off by any means. I really
analyze it. You have to bring the mics down. Otherwise you're
gonna hear you know, you're gonna I almost said uh, you
know, you're going to hear Bernie Sanders. You're going to
hear Joe Biden roar. So they have to bring it down someone's
talking. When you want you did the perfect imitation of both of
them. Thank you, I have to go back and analyze that to do
more. When you when you so juillet brand understood it very
well. You have to you have to pipe up and then the audio
engineer by oh crap and the whole push your mic up. Andrew
Yang raises his hand and goes Am I know your mic is not off. It's
your levels low because you have no presence. Good point. And
he's bitching about it. And then Beto i Here's Beto, man, Beto is
the best, he figured he'd go on down to the border on the other
side of the border and talk to some of the asylum seekers who
now are requested to stay in Mexico while their request is
processed, which is a good idea, in my citizen opinion. And
here's what a great idea.
John C. Dvorak: And that's them, put them in cages.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's, that's a good question. We should go see
what kind of facilities they're in. They're here is what he had
to say to them.
We've got to remember that they are fleeing the deadliest
countries on the face of the planet today, compounded by
drought that was caused not by God, not by mother nature, but
by us. manmade climate change our emissions, our excesses, our
inaction in the face of the facts and the science when it is
that deadly and when you're unable to grow your own food to
feed yourself. You have no choice but to come here.
Okay, now I get it.
John C. Dvorak: You're living in a shanty town outside of you
know, some town in the middle of nowhere, Guatemala. You're not
growing your own food. Isn't kidding. It's not everyone's a
farmer
Adam Curry: about like that. You have no choice. You got to come
here. Yeah, great. Choice. I'm
John C. Dvorak: here. Yeah, you got no choice because where else
would you go? You can't go to Uruguay. You can't go to
Venezuela can't go to Colombia where there's plenty of work.
There's things to do there Brazil? Well, you can't speak
Portuguese necessarily. Chile I mean, there's all kinds of South
American countries once you hit South instead of north to the
English speaking America, which makes no sense if you're Spanish
speaking but okay. Just stay in Mexico. Well, me cheese fury.
This is outrageous. If you speak Spanish and you're just bringing
voters
Adam Curry: in well, if Yeah, if you speak Spanish and you watch
us television from time, the time that you watch CNN or
MSNBC, it's on satellite. All you see is our politician
speaking Spanish. So it's time to go. There was an interview
with Stacey Abrams in this Metro newspaper it was. And I would
like to read one one question and answer. Many people thought
you would be running, is there still a possibility? Her answer,
eight? Is it still something I'm considering? I have always said
I want to, I think that certainly the fall is the
deadline for making a decision. And that is what I'm looking at.
But you know, I will say that I will run if I believe there is
value that I can add to the to the debate and add to the
contest. And if I believe I can win, but I'm incredibly pleased
with the caliber and quality of the candidates we have now,
which is why I haven't thrown my name into the ring yet. She's
running. It's running. Okay,
John C. Dvorak: let her run, I don't care.
Adam Curry: She's gonna be legendary. That'll be fantastic.
John C. Dvorak: That means I keep Hillary on the list. You
You've given me the rationale to keep Hillary on the list.
Adam Curry: Right, Justice now,
John C. Dvorak: while you're rich, you're gonna bring her in
there saying she's really impressed with everything else.
Listen to Van Jones whine about the debates,
man. Cedric, right, that this, that this will not have an
impact.
You know, I don't I don't know. But it's hard for me to imagine
that it won't. We are now sitting here with the Democratic
front runner, having a spokesperson trying to defend
his comments on busing in 2019. This is not good. Last night, I
was happy, happy, happy because I'm so proud to be a Democrat.
Everybody's doing so great. If you had told me three hours ago,
that we will be sitting here trying to figure out how the
Congressional Black Caucus can keep supporting Joe Biden, I
would have said On what planet is that but that's the planet
that we're on. Doesn't these debates matter? These debates
matter. You got an ex I'm, I'm hurt. I mean, I'm, I'm I love
Joe Biden. I think a lot of people love Joe Biden, Joe Biden
stood by Barack Obama, and defended him and made his case
to people who didn't want to listen to him. And that's who
Joe Biden is to us. But there's this. There's something else
going on. And I think Nia Malika was correct, which he said maybe
he already thinks he's, he's, well, he's already there, and
didn't have to keep learning and growing. We all have to keep
learning and growing on women's issues, on racial issues on
immigration issues. That's the whole point of the country. We
try to become a more perfect union together. And we need Joe
to lead us they're not the drug there. This is a bad night for
Joe Biden's bad night for Democrats.
Adam Curry: Bad he should have said bad night for democracy
John C. Dvorak: to be rethought it he would have.
Adam Curry: Again, everyone taking it all so seriously,
except for the actual setup of these debates. This is I think
it's rude. The way they've done it the What the It's a clown
show. It was the same with the Republicans when they had 20.
What is it 1617 People, this whole concept
John C. Dvorak: is knock them out faster than they could
regroup.
Adam Curry: Have we ever seen this type of field where we have
so many candidates in the debates used to be run
differently on television, I believe it was the yellow, the
yellow, the Women's League of voters who ran it and then at a
certain point, they got the Women's League of voters were so
pissed off with how the Democrats and Republicans were
manipulating to determine who gets on stage. Forget it. If
you're independent. Where's the independent debate? Oh, I'm
sorry. It doesn't exist. There are plenty of independent
candidates, Ronnie that they left. They said screw it. We're
not doing it anymore. Now it's just purely run by the DNC and
the RNC. This is this is really a detractor to the democratic
process. This is it's it's soundbite shit.
John C. Dvorak: It's not good. And then the guys who run the
the debates the moderators. I got one. This is a gaffe, by the
question. The questioner did one of these new NBC guys, tell me
if you can figure out what this gaffe is that debates Gaff. Yep,
got
Unknown: the Obama Biden administration deported more
than 3 million Americans. My question to you is if an
individual is living in the United States of America without
documents and that is his only offense, should that person be
deported?
Adam Curry: What is the Gasp part? Why are you smacking your
lips?
John C. Dvorak: I guess the timer I'm sure it's me speaking
realism is supposed to be a timer indicates not very well
done. Yes, there's a gap in there.
Adam Curry: I mean, listen to what the Obama Biden
administration did, reported more than 3 million Americans.
I'm sorry. It took me a minute to get out there. Yes. Yes,
Americans aren't typically deported from their own country
kicked me know, took me a moment. Give me a borderline for
that that's worth
John C. Dvorak: notice that anybody caught that they were
catching all these gaps, but they never caught this gap
because the Democrats in particular, really think that
these illegal immigrants, aliens illegal aliens, as we used to
call them are Americans. And that's what there's a, there's a
thought process that goes on that makes them think that yes,
did Obama deported 3 million Americans? And so nobody even
took a second look at that at that question.
Adam Curry: And it passed right by me the first time to and of
course, I saw it during the beta. I didn't I did not catch
it. Hmm. Well, it's it's there you go. It's worked very well.
Yeah, I guess American
John C. Dvorak: by the way, that was a question he read. Yeah,
America was written that way. To him. It's all very subtle
propaganda.
Adam Curry: This is not them subtle, but it's very effective
and very dangerous. Because we definitely have slipped into the
loop to the to our minds that everyone who lives here is an
American, that citizenship is a different thing that may not
even be important. You're American. Yeah, you're on the
back. Gotta play that one more time,
Unknown: the Obama Biden administration deported more
than 3 million Americans. My question to you is,
Adam Curry: that's fantastic. They're pre Americans, I would
say,
John C. Dvorak: No, they're not even pre Americans necessarily.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's kind of sad that that not only does that
get said But lots of people including myself, don't even
catch it is brainwashed and brainwashed. We've been
brainwashed. I've been brainwashed, brainwashed,
brainwashed. So I'm glad we do the show. Nobody
John C. Dvorak: brought it up in a the news stories I saw nobody
do go on off against Biden and his, you know, the other gaff,
which was really, you know, kind of just dubious. But they won't
mention this. And this is the guys ran, they're reading it
like I said,
Adam Curry: they should. So that should be that needs to be
called out. I mean, we just did it but said, Okay,
John C. Dvorak: I got one other thing. Maybe why? Well, this is
kind of a bunch slamming Trump but slamming copulation.
Adam Curry: Has he been slamming?
John C. Dvorak: It's just been slamming Trump,
that Trump is a phony, that Trump is a pathological liar,
and a racist, and that he lied to the American people during
his campaign. He said he was going to stand up for working
families. While President Trump you're not standing up for
working families, when you're trying to throw 32 million
people off the health care that they have. And that 83% of your
tax benefits go to the top 1% That's how we beat Trump. We
expose them for the fraud. That is,
what does Donald Trump do? He says go back to where you came
from, that is not reflective of our America and our values and
Unknown: it's got to end. What President Trump has done is not
only attack these children not only demonize these immigrants,
he is attacking a basic principle of America's moral
core. We open our hearts to the stranger,
John C. Dvorak: but the worst thing President Trump has done
he's diverted the funds away from cross border terrorism,
cross border human trafficking, drug trafficking, and gun
trafficking and he's given that money to the for profit prisons.
President Obama I think did a heck of a job to compare him to
what what this guy is doing is absolutely I find immoral.
Adam Curry: This president though for immigrants. There's
nothing he will not do to separate a family cage a child
or a race their existence
John C. Dvorak: is nothing he won't do. That's right. He cages
cages children and cages child destroys what now? Quick, a cage
and put him in it.
Adam Curry: What I what I missed, really, except for
Marianne Williamson. No one had a visionary state but no one
that had something that no one said our country. This is my my
main pet peeve. Yeah, it's it's our country. Everyone says this
country was just do Where do you live? Do you live here? It's our
country that anyone who says our country gets high marks from me
and I and I'd be open to voting for them. I can't vote and he
John C. Dvorak: used to be fine to many of the Democratic Party.
And the other thing is somebody pointed out there's no there was
not one American flag and the whole set.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's another good point. Hmm, was there an EU
flag or a United Nations symbol
John C. Dvorak: or with these guys?
Adam Curry: Well, what would that I'd like to thank you for
your courage for watching all that and making clips up and
let's say in the morning to the man who put the sea in America
can sit the sand John C. Dvorak and Mr.
John C. Dvorak: Newman Shannon Korean organize trips to see
Bucha De Graaff in the suburbs of the world and all the dames
nights out in the
Adam Curry: morning to the troll room, no agenda stream.com. And
it's a good place to hang out during show times. And there's
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This is bear asked Godzilla, who I do not believe has a chosen
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where she and this was based upon the first democratic
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series made two basic Spanish for Democrats. And it got a lot
of laughs He's very funny.
It's, it's a classic. It's a classic take has been, I think
the dummies books. Are they still? Are they still as big as
they used to be? No,
John C. Dvorak: they're still there. Yeah, new ones all
Adam Curry: the time. The new is fantastic. So Bear, as Godzilla
nailed it with that when there was just you know, we had a
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And I think that, in general, everyone who saw that got a good
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Associate Executive Producers upfront, because they actually
finance to finance this episode.
John C. Dvorak: Yes. And at the top of the list today,
surprisingly, at least to me. Out of the blue. Yeah, anonymous
lesbian. Oh, she's back, jumps to the top with a $341 donation
because she decides to become a dame.
Adam Curry: Wow. And we thought we thought she'd gone overboard.
We thought she was lost, didn't we?
John C. Dvorak: Well, she shows this shows up every script.
She's,
Adam Curry: she's good. She likes you. And she always
communicates with you and me what good does that mean? He
likes me and she's got a thing for you. I think she has a thing
for you. Oh, good. Oh,
John C. Dvorak: yeah, I think she's the best. Here's my annual
birthday present to myself. She says of a producer ship to the
BP itu. She's done that a couple of times. As you know, I also
have a subscription. And that combined with this donation
means it's finally time that I take my place at the round
table. Yes. I will be known as Dame anonymous lesbian X. It's a
stretch but we'll take it. Thank you for all you do to keep me
sane. Thank you. And she then she says I have no idea
underlined how I would stay sane without you. Sincerely anonymous
lesbian. And it's a card from Canadian card that says she was
funny. She's wrote into it upside down. Some couch and
sweaters couch and knitting was developed by the couch in First
Nations. I'm actually familiar with these sweaters. I know
Adam Curry: she in the knitting community.
John C. Dvorak: I don't know maybe because they ally knows
that she maybe she's a fan of the sweaters.
Adam Curry: You know, there's a big controversy in the knitting
community. About the sweaters. No, no, no about anyone who
supports Trump. They get they get kicked out of the it's true.
That's true. True team has been following this. This is the
knitting community, the knitting community, to kicking people and
for kicking people out for not denouncing him. You have to
denounce it denounce Yes, yeah, the knitting community getting
all up in the grill. So does she want to think for the roundtable
the Ananya
John C. Dvorak: she mentioned nothing but maybe we should draw
this sweater she can't eat so I don't know she get a free
sweater. No, she did not mention anything for the roundtable. And
so we'll just assume she's happy with what there's what's there
already? Okay, well,
Adam Curry: I have hookers and blow and and some rent boys and
Chardonnay on Oh, she wants that. Oh, I'll have a nice
little selection ready for her.
John C. Dvorak: Good. Anyway, congratulations to her. Thank
Adam Curry: you very much. I'll see you at the ceremony. She
John C. Dvorak: is sincere. She is like I know what she does for
a living and she's in a community of artists that will
be good byes will be in the knitting community. Thank
Adam Curry: you for pointing that out. I know that we're not
going to say what but we know what she does. And when she says
I don't know how I'd stay sane without you I think she really
means you John, but maybe the show I think
John C. Dvorak: the show it's really the show because we break
break down stuff that she's hearing all the time in this
community of, of artists and it's not it's just unpleasant to
be around these these people that have these swollen
amygdalas and they hate Trump more than they love their work.
Adam Curry: And if you ask me that's the stuff I get up for in
the morning. If I can hear once during each show someone says
you keep me saying you keep me going because of what you do.
That's that's why I'm still here and I'm yeah John's apparently
John C. Dvorak: no I'm I'm looking for the other card which
I move Oh no. You can around Oh no.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Thank you anonymous lesbian. We will see
you as I said at the roundtable we are $341 donation anonymous
in Virginia is next our second executive
John C. Dvorak: producer anonymous in Virginia. Wink
wink. Hopefully we don't know if it's really important Virginia
money or not but 300 bucks on another card coincidentally two
cards this one here shows a some Renoir nada Renoir but forgot to
go did all the paintings of the ballerinas
Adam Curry: mostly Matisse was Matisse.
John C. Dvorak: Another ballerina guide.
Adam Curry: The ballerina guy,
John C. Dvorak: did pastels but anyway, so Tyson's should know
you shouldn't please keep me in who you should know. Know
somebody in the chat room should know you think? I do know I just
for some reason it can't come doesn't come to me. Please keep
up the please keep me anonymous. Thank you for your hard work.
Imagine this is how Trump picks up called comely blondes for his
rallies. Just give me
Adam Curry: thinking Monet. Is that who you're thinking? No,
John C. Dvorak: it's not Monet. Monet was he does the ballerinas
Okay, I am going to take it. We're gonna go check the book
and knowledge. Or I'm gonna actually check it. Degas I'll
arene
Adam Curry: Edgar Degas day gosh, thank you troll room.
John C. Dvorak: I knew somebody in there would know. He did
mostly pastels and he did a few oils been mostly pistols of
these ballerinas. He used to hang out everyone call him a
horny old fart that would go and go hang out with ballerinas in
the rehearsal rooms and just do drawings of all these little
girls and
Adam Curry: now it's considered fine arts of the centuries with
John C. Dvorak: that's considered fine art. But now
it's pedophilia. Okay, you
Adam Curry: can't look at it anymore. Got it?
John C. Dvorak: So anyway, so this is how Chinese got a
picture here. It's a pretty funny card actually. And he says
things and that's that so he's in for 300 Now you want to thank
you thank you very much. He got highlighters night but I don't
think he is. No, he's
Adam Curry: not highlighted. Oh, it
John C. Dvorak: is on mine.
Adam Curry: No. It's gray. Gray means note. Blue means
knighthood or Daming.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, JMS comes in next. That is a JH $203.20.
He says be Associate Executive Producer. I just want to open by
saying how much I appreciate the show and the job you guys do to
deconstruct media BS. I'm long overdue for contribution. I am
ending my Amazon Prime subscription this month and now
can afford to put you guys on the dole. However, I have one
complaint.
Adam Curry: Oh, I know who this is. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I
John C. Dvorak: have one complaint. When experts right
into this shows you refuse to review your BS. Maybe you should
have a difference response then blocking them. I'm not going to
comment on it further. That said, attached find my donation
of 230 dot 20 For stodgy old DeVore ex early retirement fund.
Just kidding. He said he says not kidding.
Adam Curry: No, he's not. He's not he's he's given half of it
to my retirement fund. He says $150
John C. Dvorak: point one for each of you as a white male age
30 With postgraduate degree in environmental science. Oh, I
know who this is to. I'm looking for a job in STEM, and it could
use some help as the algorithms conspire against me. Hey, please
no agenda show spread your magic and help me to glitch the algos
thrust open the climate gates and let me in single request
follow the Eligos climate gate jobs karma. Okay.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So
yeah, this he followed up with me so we don't have to talk much
about it. But he wrote an email and this he needs a deducing
actually because he's never he's never donated before, which was
how he started his initial his initial email to you, but people
have to understand that a lot of how people send notes to us when
they have an a correction or
John C. Dvorak: you have a down you'd have to get you even have
their voices down.
Adam Curry: But I'm not going to do it in this case, because the
text the way he just wrote it was just, it was just rude. You
know? And then a follow
John C. Dvorak: up, you have to note and then No, not in this
note, no, no,
Adam Curry: no in the note, and then a follow up, after you
said, hey, you know, screw this don't follow up, then it's like,
I can see Sorry, your your D platforming from PC Magazine has
you all up in arms? You know, it's really, really, really
rude, hurtful things. And I don't know, it's an approach.
And, you know, like everybody, you can catch someone with an
approach and it's just you come off as a dick and patronizing
and really, over something quite minut. Other than that,
apparently, there's an entire community Surprise, surprise of
Earth scientists who disagree with your mud flats theory,
because that's ultimately what this whole thing was about.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, he claimed that the mud flats are always
here because of a buildup of silt. And it's doesn't mean
anything that apparently the water's going way up. Although
there I pointed out to him that there is a roadway right next to
the mud flats that's not going up because of silt. It's not
built on ground.
Adam Curry: Well, you didn't you didn't get he was his reply to
that because he had graphs and charts. And I know he had graphs
and charts and showed how that how it's increased one
millimeter per year, for the last 60 years. And I actually
got into it with him after you blocked him, like, hey, how do
you measure that? How do you measure one millimeter of the
mudflat? Sea level or whatever? And his reply was, I'm not quite
sure what instrument they use, but they've been doing this in
1800s. That's when that's when my eyes glaze over. It's like,
Fine. How do you make satellites Space Force? I don't know. It's
fine. But what regardless, we're wrong. You're wrong. You're old,
you're full of shit. And here's $230 Thank you very much it
somehow that's that's how this all ended. It was very sad. The
magic ultimately a very sad, sad ending to this said. I don't
like the way that you block people on Twitter. Okay, but
when you block someone on email, if that is also very harsh, just
don't respond.
John C. Dvorak: Now. Here's the thing. I get too much email. So
I don't need the aggravation. And I don't respond, you still
see the email, you'll open it because it's got an interesting
title. I don't like getting a bunch of stuff that is just not
something I'm interested. I'm not interested in it. And I'm
not interested in constantly being harangued by certain
people. Were email email you this starts coming in if
especially we respond once you know the next thing, you know,
you got another another another, you get into a dialogue. I do
not like a dialogue by email. I'm not interested.
Adam Curry: I usually tell people I don't I don't argue for
free with people on email or Twitter as I do a show. And
that's where we try to do our best work. And it's like, I'm
not here for your enjoyment. Just email me back. And I love
hearing from people who are smarter than me. But an actual
you can't have an argument.
John C. Dvorak: You send emails to read today that people that
are smarter than than me Are you
Adam Curry: well, first, let's take care of this and we totally
appreciate that you that he donated because that would be
the first thing it's like, you've gone through college. You
have the Master's Sorry, I had no money to donate. Uh huh. So
he donated and that's appreciated. It's not it doesn't
fix everything. But thank you very much. Here's what you do
deed do
John C. Dvorak: those elders following the algos, algos or
the algo. Following the algos, the L DOS, l goes to the gate to
the
jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs let's move on. Carmack
There we go. There you go. It's all good.
Adam Curry: I guess I guess what he the main thing just to finish
this up is that he's been trying to play to get to hit people in
the mouth at his university or his job wherever he is. It's
earth scientist. And and yeah, he's he's able to turn everybody
on to different podcast but never ours because of mud flats
segment and yeah, and and if he's rolled crap and it's worse
and if he's wrong about the mud flats How can we believe what he
says about 5g? Right?
John C. Dvorak: Ah, yeah, yes logic. Yeah. Anyway, so I know
I'm looking at him she Yeah, they're still there. Anyway,
thank you very much Jeremy every single reason rising Okay,
Albert, Peter Juergen verheij for high or high or high to 2222
some serious poop donations for the get mo nation from the
friends from Gitmo nation east. Close to Amster shitty dam keep
up all the cleaning work which needs to be done.
Adam Curry: Hold on a second. Is there an issue we need to be
alerted to in Amsterdam? Are they pooping on the streets?
John C. Dvorak: I don't think so. I can see some I wish there
for Queen's Day or whatever they call
Adam Curry: that it was a long time ago. John, this things have
changed since then. But there
John C. Dvorak: was a woman that peeing on the street.
Adam Curry: Okay, but we're talking about now we're talking
about this pooping phenomenon. And maybe there's something
we're missing. It's I know it's become quite nasty in general.
John C. Dvorak: Certainly we don't think it's good in
Amsterdam.
Adam Curry: I think well, there's people pissing in
mailboxes. Men, I should say.
John C. Dvorak: All right. Thank you very much. Men.
Adam Curry: How old are they old enough to drink
John C. Dvorak: how tall how tall? I don't know. I don't
know. Sir Julian's last on the list. 200 bucks. Sir Julian
here. I just returned from a trip to Guadalajara. While I was
offered Eskimo
Adam Curry: Eskimo that's what I had my banker dinner. It's the
amp the amp larva Paarvai the ant eggs
John C. Dvorak: at a high end restaurant, no way am I passing
that. On passing on that it was delish. The small way Wait,
stop.
Adam Curry: We can't just let someone say delish, and pass
over that. You said delish. You can't say that.
John C. Dvorak: I wonder V EV also says merch
Adam Curry: I'd like some ant merch because it's delish.
John C. Dvorak: You know, there's a number of pods you're
saying you know, that sell merch?
Adam Curry: You're saying you know a lot, John.
John C. Dvorak: I think I've infected this must be me.
Adam Curry: I think so. I think he's wrong. I think I think
you're the one that's saying it. Okay,
John C. Dvorak: well, thanks for calling calling me out on it.
You know, the small donation puts me past URL. If it pleases
the peerage committee. I'd like to be known as Sir Julian Earl
of the South Bay and autonomous cars. Sounds good. To me. That
sounds good. On the naming rights for the studio, I once
found myself surrounded by dozens of accountants and CPAs
from competing accounting firms at a dueling Piano Bar. Not sir
Jeff's. In addition to throwing bread and a jar to get a song
played. Stairway to Heaven, so is a good idea. They had a
running gag at the bar where for a price the staff would write on
a huge chalkboard behind the pianos the phrase of your
choice, it would stay up there until somebody paid more to
usurp. After some time, and some libations these warring firms
went back and forth taunting each other via the Blackboard to
to the tune of 1000s per message. For this is actually a
very interesting idea. I don't know how it works at the studio,
provided the name or phrase made it past the no agenda ethics
committee. I'd love to see that name. Good for one year unless
usurped by $1,000 greater than the last naming. By the end of
the year, it would be comically large and then dropped to a deep
discount on the next show. Well,
Adam Curry: I appreciate it, sir. Julian, I'm against all of
these ideas.
John C. Dvorak: I like the idea of having a bar. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: A bar is fantastic. But not a show with value for
value is a whole different thing. But I appreciate the
John C. Dvorak: thing. That theoretically, you're correct.
Adam Curry: Yes, I come here for different reasons
John C. Dvorak: like this bidding war idea for this
something to say some stupid. Yeah, it would become clownish.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And it's not really the not really our model.
But I appreciate the thinking and appreciate the fact that
he's supporting the show. That's what it's about. That's how you
become an Associate Executive Producer, producer, which is a
credit which is valuable. And you can use to taunt people with
to show it to me, I'm in I'm in show business. Check it out. I'm
Associate Producer, Associate Executive Producer, the no
agenda Show episode 1151 or executive producer. We had two
of them today. Do we have any more? Is that our list?
John C. Dvorak: No. And that's it. I want to thank these folks
for supporting the show 11 51 Woods or producer ships, and we
did have a lousy turnout overall, the show was saved by
the anonymous lesbian.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And anonymous in Virginia. Well, actually,
Virginia, whoever that might be. That's gonna be a very short
second segment today.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, we did very poorly since finished the month
of June as expected poorly. June swoon. Yes.
Adam Curry: All right, disappointing. We'll be thinking
more people $50 And above and our second segment, anything
that comes in we always appreciate it love to have these
die hearts here. And as I said, my heart is filled. Thank you
very much anonymous lesbian for the things you said in addition
to your donation, we'll be back here for another show on
Thursday, you can support us by going to
vote.org/and A probably
have enough now to go out there and hit everybody in the mouse
when it comes to what happened during the feature to propagate
formula is this. We go out for yet people in the mouth just
shut us
the we started this show for 11 years ago really for ourselves.
Initially, I was about 20 minutes long we we chat back and
forth. About I was in London mainly at the time, or I would
John C. Dvorak: trust no show there was a Skype call.
Adam Curry: I think we kind of found that there was an
interesting thing to talk about. And we both hold the belief that
pretty much all media is advertising. And as we started
to deconstruct news deconstruct what was taking place at the
time we had in the European Union. I was in London, though
we were looking at the Lisbon Treaty and finding out that what
people were, were were saying on television about how great this
would be. There's only 11 years ago. And now you can see, I
guess we were kind of right. We said hey, this is not going to
be so great. And they're not telling you everything. And it's
not just about the same money, which has a lot of problems by
itself, which you're not being told. And then the the true
freedom of movement, which you really don't have, but there's
no passports. And so I think we kind of morphed into before
ourselves more than anything, to provide mental tools, tools, to
understand media and really stay healthy, how to stay safe from
these constant constant barrage of propaganda, and just attacks
on you trying to manipulate you into believing things that
really aren't true. Is that a fair representation of how we
evolved? So that
John C. Dvorak: it's not just the media does it the media
minions, which are the people that read and believe the media
and creating a huge force, and 1984 style force, which reminds
me 1984 force of the public itself, pounds on people I mean,
you see in certain areas where there was inundated like the Bay
Area, for example, where everybody's hates Trump, then
you were a red hat. Yeah, I got my new hat. I'd mentioned that
it gets through
Adam Curry: Oh, I also got the Maxine Waters gravel. I got my
hat and I got my grab my gravel.
John C. Dvorak: I gotta gravel some time ago.
Adam Curry: I know I had to go to my Pio box.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, I see. Yeah, the ground and by the way,
what's interesting about the gavel is got a thing that you
can pound your little
Adam Curry: Yes. Which I knew which I pounded once and dented
right away.
John C. Dvorak: Not mine not mine. I tried to Dennis
Adam Curry: mine dented right away.
John C. Dvorak: Really? Is my pounding everything what is
meat? What is this wood that won't dent?
Adam Curry: No, also, not only the gravel, but the two hats are
all made in China which I think makes the tats extra valuable.
John C. Dvorak: Remain China but they're not even felt. And
Adam Curry: not even good. Like a cloth. They're really, really
poorly made.
John C. Dvorak: She had with a little American flag on the
side.
Adam Curry: It's fantastic. It's it is the perfect representation
of this time. There will be someone who finds this hat
John C. Dvorak: shiny red hat that says Make America Great
Again. But says Keep America Great. That's the one the new
Adam Curry: Oh, I didn't get that I got the to make
Americans. I didn't get to keep America great. Oh, I
John C. Dvorak: got to keep American
Adam Curry: tat anyway. So and we really did this for ourselves
more than anything. Certainly in the beginning. We just oh man.
Look at this book and look at what they're selling. And it was
and I think that over time as well. She as grousing. Yeah, but
when you hear now 1000 1100 episodes 1100 51 episodes later
you hear the anonymous lesbian who has quite standing in the
artistic community saying without you You guys, I will be
going nuts. She would. Okay, so so this is this is important.
We're somehow what we're doing is caught on some PBS, we're
helping lots of
John C. Dvorak: people. But there's in the scheme of things,
it's some.
Adam Curry: So when Okay, so I have a little presentation to
make. And it's really about advertising because over the
past few weeks, and we've done stuff, we've mentioned brand
safety, we've mentioned, what advertising how important
advertising is to Silicon Valley. And, you know, a large,
large, large, large portion of our producing audience is very,
very disappointed and angry that we were going to tell you that
we refuse to admit and wake up and open our eyes to the fact
that it's crazy leftists douchebags, who are censoring
the right. And we have a little different take on it. And I
realized that that we need to go back to our original roots, and
explain and unveil a few things about advertising. Because ever
since the the banner ad, there's been this, which by the way
became very it became almost worthless, very quickly.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Wasn't it was quickly in terms of like,
the long term scheme of things. But it was a very effective
product for probably
Adam Curry: two to three years. Right. Right. And then it became
ineffective,
John C. Dvorak: less because people stopped looking at
Adam Curry: him. Exactly. Because that is not true brand
advertising. It's why they call it display advertising. And it's
not really what advertising is in the in the true sense of the
word of how you manipulate someone into purchasing
something or believing in something political.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, a little insight into this. I don't know
if you want me to do this now or later. Go ahead. So the banner
ad was largely invented by two guys out of Ziff Davis, who went
over to work for CNET. And they had kind of invented the banner
ad and how it worked and how they're going to present it. And
it was new when they when they did when they started seeing
that I was one of the early people at CNET myself. And they
were getting $100 per 1000 for at least two years. So that's
Adam Curry: let's just let's just we got to do it all here.
That's a CPM cost per mille. They always like to have some
French words in there. So they can be hoity toity.
John C. Dvorak: So you don't understand what CPM means cost
per 1000.
Adam Curry: Right. So if they had 1000 views, 1000 people saw
that ad, which became controversial soon thereafter,
you'd get 100 bucks. Okay, yeah, but that devolved down to 1615
cents by the time by the time, by the time the
John C. Dvorak: offer was big started at $100.
Adam Curry: So then we got cost per clicks, and we got click
throughs. And we don't have to belabor all of these things.
Because ultimately, brand advertising branding, that is
what it's been about, since I would say, since forever, but
really, with television. And video is really where brand
advertising became what real advertising is where the real
money is. And if the advertiser as I've said in the United
States is God, the advertiser controls everything controls
what you eat, what you drive, who you love, what you love, who
you vote for, if the advertiser is God, the brand is Jesus. And
this is going to tie into deep platforming, but I'm really not
that interested. I want to explain. I want to us to help
you understand true brand advertising what it's about.
Because when you understand that, if you're pissed off about
D platforming, I'm personally not because I don't use the
platforms. This will show you how to stop it and who to go
after is going after Google and Twitter and Facebook is futile
and stupid, because they're not really the problem. And let's go
back before Trump arrived on the scene, in 20 1314, we had big
problems with advertising on YouTube, mainly, for one reason,
terrorism videos, there was no it wasn't like political
discourse. There was no one trying to shut down the right or
the left. The problem that Silicon Valley companies had was
with terrorism videos, then 2017 Now all of a sudden, we have a
real problem because of Cambridge Analytica, and it
became about privacy and what are these people doing with your
data? You can see all of this Silicon Valley company stocks
started to tank it was a big problem. That somehow morphed
into its Trump, Trump is toxic, everything Trump has got to go.
I want to take us to the core of how, and this is biology, how
successful brands are successful with their messaging. And I'm
gonna use Apple as an example. And the old Apple, as you'll see
in a moment. What is the difference between a brand like
Apple Computer Company, and any other brand, and this is guy
called Simon cynics. And he's a motivational speaker. He's
written books on the subject. But he really takes the core
essence that is only understood by a few by few legends in the
advertising business, how great brand advertising works, and
he's going to do this. He's actually going to use Apple as
an example. And the three questions for any company or any
any entity really is why, how, and what, listen to this and
then be able to apply this to what's happening today.
Why is apple so innovative? Year after year after year after
year, they're more innovative than all their competition. And
yet, they're just a computer company.
By the way, this is a 10 year old TED talk, the audio shit
clears up a little bit later on. But it's it's enough to
understand what's going on
there just like everyone else, they have the same access to the
same talent, the same agencies, the same consultants, the same
media, then why is it that they seem to have something
different? As it turns out, there's a pattern as it turns
out all the great and inspiring leaders and organizations in the
world whether it's Apple or Martin Luther King, or the
Wright brothers, they all think, act and communicate the exact
same way. And it's the complete opposite to everyone else. I
call it the Golden Circle. Why how what this little idea
explains why some organizations and some leaders are able to
inspire where others aren't, let me define the terms really
quickly. Every single person, every single organization on the
planet knows what they do 100% Some know how they do it,
whether you call it your differentiating value
proposition or your proprietary process or your USP. But very,
very few people or organizations know why they do what they do.
And by why I don't mean to make a profit. That's a result. It's
always a result by why I mean, what's your purpose? What's your
cause? What's your belief? Why does your organization exist? If
Apple were like everyone else, a marketing message from them
might sound like this. We make great computers. They're
beautifully designed, simple to use and user friendly. Want to
buy one? And that's how most of us communicate. That's how most
marketing is done. That's how most sales done. And that's how
most of us communicate interpersonally we say what we
do we say how we're different or how we better and we expect some
sort of behavior, a purchase a vote, something like that.
Here's how Apple actually communicates. Everything we do,
we believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in
thinking differently. The way we challenge the status quo is by
making our products beautifully designed, simple to use, and
user friendly. We just happen to make great computers want to buy
one. Totally different, right? You're ready to buy a computer
from me. All I did was reverse the order of the information.
What it proves to us is that people don't buy what you do
people buy why you do it, people don't buy what you do they buy
why you do it. This explains why every single person in this room
is perfectly comfortable buying a computer from Apple. But we're
also perfectly comfortable buying an mp3 player from Apple,
or a phone from Apple, or a DVR from Apple. But as I said
before, Apple's just a computer company. There's nothing that
distinguishes them structurally from any of their competitors,
their competitors are all equally qualified to make all of
these products. In fact, they tried, Dell came out with mp3
players and PDAs. And they make great quality products. And they
can make perfectly well design products. And nobody bought one.
In fact talking about it. Now we can't even imagine buying an mp3
player from Dell. Why would you buy an mp3 player from a
computer company? But we do it every day. People don't buy what
you do they buy why you do it. The goal is not to do business
with anybody with everybody who needs what you have. The goal is
to do business with people who believe what you believe
the goal is to do business with people who believe what you
believe. And this has been proven many, many times that
this works. And the troll room is very interesting. By the way,
a lot of people really know what they're talking about. And so
they're all making trollee jokes. Let me tell you so this
is this can really come down to a mission statement till we look
at a trolley car. The mission statement of Apple when Steve
Jobs was still alive was this to make a contribution to the world
by making tools for the mind that To advance humankind. That
was their mission statement. Here's Apple's mission statement
today. And that may kind of show you why people are walking away
from the brand. I was a apple believer. I never sat. I never
slept in line for an iPhone, but I got one pretty quick. And I
was a Mac fanboy. And that somehow that started to go away.
And you know, and even though the products has never been
fantastically perfect, they've always had flaws. I got sick and
tired of it. Here's Apple's mission statement today as of
2019, where'd you get it? Right from their website? Okay, Apple
designs Mac's the best personal computers in the world. Along
with OSX I life I work and professional software, Apple
leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and
iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with
this revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and is defining the
future of mobile media and computing devices with
iPad. Yeah, that's nickel, not
inspirational. And I think, to say the least, let's look at
Google's mission statement. Google's and people say, Don't
be evil. Now, that wasn't their mission statement, their mission
statement still is to organize the world's information and make
it universally acceptable and useful. Not all that great at
Facebook. In early 2017, the Facebook corporate mission was
to give people the power to share and make the world more
open and connected. That's changed. They've changed the
mission statement, it is now to give people the power to build
community and bring the world closer together. So they've
removed the open part and the connected and so they've changed
that. Twitter is the one that really got me Twitter's original
mission statement, to give everyone the power to create and
share ideas and information instantly. without barriers. Do
you think there's a problem with what Twitter originally sold to
us and what it is right now? Yeah, because clearly, they have
barriers. In fact, they've changed their mission statement,
their mission statement is now reach the largest daily audience
in the world by connecting everyone to their world via our
information sharing and distribution platform products,
and be one of the top revenue generating internet companies in
the world. How inspirational how inspirational is that, huh? Let
me give you an example of an inspirational message versus one
that's not inspirational, inspirational, make America
great again, not inspirational. I'm with her. This should have
light bulbs going off in people's heads. So brands want
to be inspirational. They want to be a part of a movement, they
want to have people who believe in them. Some brands most
actually don't really have that message anymore if they ever had
it. And so they go and look for inspiration such as during pride
month. I mean, has Budweiser ever had some inspirational
message about LGBTQ? Is their products? Has it ever been
inspirational for sexuality? No. So they've they jumped on board.
Everyone's on board. Oh, IKEA, oh, Kmart, Walmart. Everybody
has pride flags is completely disingenuous. And brands started
walking away from anything Trump. The silence is deafening.
major brands are avoiding Trump even as he promotes them from
the White House. You recall he had Chick fil A and Burger King
and McDonald's for the what team was it that came to visit him?
John?
John C. Dvorak: I forgot the football team. Yeah, they were
going to Super Bowl it'd be the Patriots. Exactly.
Adam Curry: So here's a bit from marketing week. That explains
why brands these days are taking a political stance brands,
advertisers, not Silicon Valley companies, brands are taking
political stance,
there is absolutely an appetite for brands to have a point of
view on social issues. But it is a really dangerous area. There
is more consumers who are likely to be turned off by the idea or
to be cynical towards the idea than those who are actually
going to embrace it. And that finding the right social issue
to really match with your consumer group and be aware of
the negative impacts that it's going to have is going to be key
See, this is where the brands are going. They're trying to
find things where their people are. And then it's like identity
politics only. It's for brands who like to advertise towards
these groups, but they're not really inspirational that that
is no longer part of the equation. And this and this is
why on television was just very clear, it's it's not just on the
internet, on television, brands have run away from a Fox News.
They've run away from Sean Hannity from Laura Ingraham from
Tucker Carlson, and these shows will have to go away if
advertisers continue to stay away. And to show you how this
works. We had this happen just just the two days ago, Megan
rapido, of Team USA, you know, I'm a big fan of the women's
soccer. And you've probably seen this little video where she's
asked about, you know, the success they have and on the
semi final, so are the Dutch girls. And you know, they
probably go to the White House No, not going to the White
House. We're not going to be invited.
Unknown: You're not going to be invited.
Adam Curry: I doubt it. So, like go into the fucking White House.
Everyone's like, Oh, she's great. She fuck Trump not going
to the fucking white house. Why is she saying this? It's
completely on brand for her. What is she wearing, she's
wearing a Nike swoosh she's wearing a Nike uniform she is
the whole team is sponsored by Nike. Nike hates Trump, Nike
sponsored Colin Kaepernick. So this is on brand, this is
advertising, it may not even be her personal feeling about the
topic, but it's on brand from her sponsor. That is what she is
supposed to say she could never say anything else with that Nike
logo. Just so you understand. In digital advertising in the
United States,
John C. Dvorak: 100 is also true at the basketball teams,
absolutely,
Adam Curry: then feel free to jump in wherever you have
something to $107 billion dollars were spent on digital
advertising in 2018. That is an unbelievable amount of money.
And a huge majority of that. Some say up to 90 billion is is
really going to two or three companies. This has surpassed
television advertising, television advertising is stuck
somewhere about 60 or $70 billion this year, or 2020.
According to The Wall Street Journal $10 billion will be
spent on political advertising. The billion number flies around
the lot. But that has an incredible amount of money. Now,
let's get into the issues that these brand companies have with
right wing conservative talk, because that's really what we're
talking about. These are the people being D platformed,
thrown off of Twitter, YouTube, etc. D monetized I know that
we've asserted and you know, the the mantra is, this is about
brand advertising. They don't want anything that is toxic,
Trump and conservatism has become toxic. That's the example
right there, Nike. And it's not an online example. But it goes
for all brand advertising. This is from a webinar, which I
watched for it's a lot of work on this delivering trust in
advertising online, specifically brand safety to webinars. So
it's not that dynamic. But the information is good.
Every brand has their own unique positioning, their own target
audience their own set of brand values. And really, the brand
safety protections that they enable should be reflective of
all of that. So while we certainly can come up with, you
know, sort of a generic definition of brand safety as a
practice, you know, what's really critical is that every
company address, how they're going to implement protection
that's in line with their own products and positioning, brand
safety can absolutely have a bottom line impact. There's a
2017 report that says 85% of brand marketers are making a
priority the improvement of their brand safety positioning
in digital media. And why are they doing this, this isn't
simply an issue about the performance of you know, their
ad spend. This is this is a much broader issue. companies spend
substantially on ensuring that consumers have a positive
experience across all their interactions with the brand they
spend it on products and packaging, they spend it on, on
service and support and they spend it on you know, even
potentially the causes or charities that they sponsor. And
you know, every time there's a poor online ad placement that is
not aligned with the brand position Listening. Yes
absolutely wastes part of the media spend. But it also damages
at that brand equity that they're trying to build up
through their entire product and service portfolio. And this is
really why we see and why that study shows that, you know, six
out of seven brand marketers have have prioritized the
improvement of brand safety in their digital ads. The
statistics that we see here are that the threat of brand safety
presents a threat to digital ad budgets. So whether you're a
content creating publisher, whether you're an ad delivery
platform, whether your media buying agency, all of these
participants in the digital ecosystem are you know, tied to
the performance of digital ad budgets and why every
participant in the digital ecosystem has to pay attention
to and help facilitate effective brand safety protection.
Now you understand why it's a big deal, because there's 100
million $100 billion a year. And if there's a fuckup with
something that does not give the brand a good positive
experience, if there's a mich mismatch, it takes Oh, directly
away from the budgets. I'm not saying this is the advertising
industry will use a lot of buzzwords, but it's true. So we
had the big freakout. In 2017 YouTube hit with another ad
scandal Procter and Gamble, leaving the platform giant
advertiser, Unilever threatens to pull its ads from Facebook
and Google over toxic content. Advertisers fleeing YouTube to
avoid directly funding creators of hate YouTube struggles with
advertiser versus conservative voices conflicts, big tech helps
advertisers avoid unvetted user generated content, they were
freaking out billions of dollars were leaving Silicon Valley
platforms. So they had only one way to go. They had to
immediately stop anything that is toxic to the brands. So 2019,
we had the big con festival, it's where all the advertisers
go the lions festival. And they came up with their group. And
they and the main theme of 2019 was brand safety. I have a
couple clips here. This is the CEO of WPP, the largest
advertising entity in the world, what are they? What are their
annual billings, John, they've got to be 50 don't know what
they are. But they bought everybody that $50 billion, at
least and they are in charge of spending it in Silicon Valley.
His name is Mark Reed. And we're going to listen to Him speaking
about brand safety and his concerns.
So one of the things that you're here discussing at the lions, is
this new alliance focus on brand safety. Why is it so important
for you and for your clients, but it's
Unknown: critical for our clients. You know, when I talk
to our clients, they're really concerned about the platforms on
which their messages are received. They want them to be
in brand safe platforms, they're responsible. So we're really
working with, you know, Google, Facebook, Twitter, we bought 16
advertisers together for the major holding companies. We
launched it this morning at the WP beach. And it's really an
initiative to bring these people together for collective action
to make sure that platforms are safe places for our clients to
reach their consumers
John C. Dvorak: so loud for me what this brand safety issue has
done to advertisers on YouTube and Facebook, are these no
longer considered safe platforms for brands?
Unknown: But I think, you know, the first issue was our clients
messages appearing alongside content that they shouldn't be.
And I think clients are very clear that you know, they don't
want that to happen. And I think the platform's have done it
another bad job at taking down your the most of the sort of
content that concerns and they probably made better progress
with terrorists leaked images. And elsewhere, they made good
progress on that. I think what constants of nature is making
sure the pumps overall are safe, not just where their content is,
but all of the content. So I think it's really a industry
initiative that we need to push forward much harder.
Adam Curry: Yes, they need to push it forward much harder. And
they push very hard because these guys own Silicon Valley
with a lot of money.
Unknown: When we have robust discussions with Facebook, you
know, we spend $8 billion across Google and Facebook I
Adam Curry: just repeat that we spend $8 billion dollars across
Google and Facebook per year one advertising conglomerate,
there's another one called Omni comm just a little bit smaller,
but the same size. This guy owns these bitches.
Unknown: We have robust discussions with Facebook, you
know, we spend a billion dollars across Google and Facebook
platforms. We have a robust discussion with them. When we
have a you know, back and forth on what they need to do. I think
even they would say they haven't done enough. You know what I
listened to Sheryl Sandberg and I'm talking to her on Thursday
here in Cannes or Kalani, listen, I think they would admit
that they need to do more. So I think there's a general look
stepson's and I think there's a degree of frustration that we're
in this position, but a desire to make progress.
What are the other platforms that you think could be powerful
third players to that digital duopoly? Is it Amazon? Is it
snap? Is it Twitter? Who is the rising force that we should be
paying attention to?
Or the interest now the Alibaba is now the third largest media
platform, right? So we need to look within China to find, you
know, a third largest digital media platform, I certainly
think that Amazon is the closest thing to commerce makes it a
very powerful platform. My sense here is that snap, I don't know,
my feeling is snap is coming back.
Adam Curry: Two things. One, Amazon is a is a major, major
competitor for the advertising based Silicon Valley platforms,
because Amazon has the direct connection to sales. And we've
talked about them and their advertising capability, they
track more people than then Facebook and Twitter combined.
They're not at Google's level, but they're getting damn close.
And they have the talking to you remember, so they have a lot of
data about people. And the platforms are worried about
Amazon. Why is Snapchat Why is snap interesting, because the
messages are deleted. That's why there's nothing that hangs
around that can be seen as something bad for the brand. And
we couldn't see it brand guide, the message is auto deleted, I
don't know where it went.
Unknown: snapped by there's a lot more confidence in the
organization. And I think they're getting more traction
with their target audience. Clearly, the reach is not as big
as Facebook and Google. But there are new players coming
out. And I think we have to be really interested to see what
happens from the east, you know, bytedance, a Chinese company
that own tick tock here in Cannes, you know, in a big way
for the first time. So there's continued innovation, I think
the lesson of all industries is that competition in a does drive
innovation. So I think the more competition there is, the better
it will be in the more diversity of view. I mean, that's clearly
a good thing.
Adam Curry: So they have this, put together this big Alliance,
they created a group where they now talk about everything they
need, and they've created something called the brand
safety floor framework, advertising assurance into PDF,
I have it in the show notes. And these are the things that are
not possible for them to advertise in or around and I
will go straight to hate speech and acts of aggression because
they have adult and explicit sexual content, arms and
ammunition. Oh, let me do that one. Since we're some second
amendment believers here, promotion and advocacy of sales
of illegal arms, rifles and handguns instructive content and
how to obtain make distribute or use illegal arms glamorization
of arms for purpose to harm others use of the legal arms and
unregulated environments, crimes, crime and harmful acts
to individuals and society and human rights violations. So you
cannot have any content on your platform that has graphic
promotion, advocacy and depiction of willful harm.
Actual unlawful active criminal activity, which we know is, is
available everywhere. Pay speech and acts of aggression. unlawful
acts of aggression based on race, nationality, ethnicity,
religious affiliation, gender or sexual image or preference,
behavior or commentary that incites such hateful acts
including bullying. This is no longer accepted for the $8
billion this guy spends in Silicon Valley. Promotion and
advocacy of tobacco and E cigarettes vaping and alcohol
use to minors, you got to wonder about is why some of this
legislation was coming up about getting rid of it. And then
finally my favorite sensitive social issues slash violations
of human rights to risk disrespectful and harmful
treatment of sensitive social topics, examples, abortion,
extreme political positions, act language and gestures deemed
illegal not otherwise outlined in this framework, such as harm
to self or animal cruelty, targeted harassment of
individuals and groups. That's right from Twitter's TOS
targeted harassment of individuals and groups,
anything, anything like this, and the brand walks away. So
when you think that Silicon Valley are filled with a bunch
of leftist douchebags who just want to silence conservative
voices? Yes, of course they are. Of course now that it's handy
for them their left is douchebags I think John, we
could both say that these people were more right wing capitalist
fuckwad before all that before Obama. They were really I mean,
they were hippies, but they were all about money and capitalism
and all that went out the door.
John C. Dvorak: There were a libertarian, right wing
Adam Curry: libertarian. Okay.
John C. Dvorak: So you're all in on on. On Atlas Shrugged.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Thank you very much Atlas Shrugged I
in ran. Exactly. And that was 2007 2008. And that changed now?
Yes, it? Well that. Yeah, I think only for this one reason
and you look at Media Matters and little groups really like
sleeping giants. They are the ones that made this connection.
They are out there every single day messaging big brands and
saying, Oh, do you know that this brand is advertising on
blah, blah, blah, who's a Nazi right wing alt right fake news
Baba Baba. And the brands all immediately go, I will take it
off. So yeah, of course,
John C. Dvorak: that's back at this this thesis up. I mean, I'm
not gonna argue with you. Personally, I don't think the
laundry list of bad things is a bad thing. To be honest about,
if I was an advertiser, I don't want my advertising showing up
again, you know, against some certain kinds of people that are
bitching and moaning about whatever. But this really goes
back a couple of steps. Because if you go back to the 60s and
70s, it was the right wing pressure groups, these family
operations in this, especially in the 70s, that were pressuring
advertisers to get away from certain messages that were left
wing. And it was Media Matters in the others who took the cue
from the right wingers and how to do it, and they just do it
better.
Adam Curry: So that means you're making my point for me, it
doesn't matter who's doing your point.
John C. Dvorak: And what that means is that which I think you
would agree with, if the left wing took the cue from the right
wing and did it better, that means the right wing can up
their game Exactly. And do it better than the left wing and
Media Matters, and really take it to another level and quash
what's been going on currently, which is what looks like a purge
of people like Paul Watson, the other people who were actually
to me humorists in their cynicism. But yeah, this is a
this is a real, interesting situation. And by the end, it
also backs up your thesis. The fact that this is the reason why
this show is done the way it's done, yes, even though we don't
want because I look at those money numbers, too. And I say,
you know, if the two of us put together some operation that was
just designed to exploit that money, that money flow, without
we wouldn't be able to do anything we're doing on this
show. None of it. So but we could do something that would
work. And it would be could exploit the money flowing,
especially since you've already we've already worked on that
day, or at me VO. And you've seen how people have done a
better job of it with different approaches. It could be done.
But again, nothing that we're talking about on this show could
ever be done. And that's why we need the support of our
listeners.
Adam Curry: It's a little too early on the pitch. I was
getting there. I just have that. I liked it. I liked it. I liked
it a lot. The pitch was good. So the point is, if you need to go
after the big brands, they will buckle they're incredibly
afraid. But there is no organism. Well, that's
organization, everyone's organ and rising around. You know Tim
Poole yet Dave, Tim Poole, Tim Kass, if he went out and said,
hey, you know, Gillette, the best a man can get, which they
changed their their slogan to the best a man can be it was a
failure. It was a failure. Their sales went down after that. If
Tim Poole or anyone else who you know, died, I know. Stefan
Molyneux all these guys, they all got together and said, You
know what, Gillette, screw you. I'm going with Harry's razor,
which I am boycotting Gillette, you want to see how fast things
happen. Get your voice out there. You want to see people
being brought back onto the platform. Thank you for bringing
that up, John. It doesn't matter if it's left or right. Because
when it was the right doing it, they did the same thing. They're
chickenshit they are so worried about their perceived brand. We
want people to believe in us. But people don't believe in them
anymore because they don't have that brand. Why anymore that
just it's identity politics for advertising. So no, absolutely
no surprise that during pride month, the month of June, we
have massive D platforming because of discourse over gender
over sex over homosexuality. People having conversations
LEFT, RIGHT angry. Oh my god, we have all our money in the pride
flag. We got to anyone who's saying anything horrible, Steven
Crowder, go away. Do you start to see the picture? You've got
to go after the advertisers and not after these platforms?
You're wasting your time. So then people say well, what about
Reddit? What about the Donald? What about? Wow, isn't it
interesting that read it in May hired a former Twitter and
Google advertising executive to build that brand advertising
business. Her name is Mary and beliveau. And she is here being
interviewed with Reddit Chief Operating Officer, Jen Huang.
And they have a unique proposition to brands. This is
very interesting. They have something that no one else has
Twitter and YouTube and Google and and Facebook's got ai ai
will stop all the bad talk. Well, we know that's failing.
Reddit has a different idea,
Marianne, your role in regards to brand sponsorships? What's
going to be the strategy there? For Reddit in regards to brand
sponsorships?
Yeah. So I think the strategy and in regard to brand
sponsorships is really about making sure that we're tapping
into authentic communities in a way that seems real and okay to
them, right. So we're consumers, everybody needs something. And
you just want to make sure that we're getting the affinities
correct in terms of reaching people at a moment where they're
receptive to it, and in a way that feels authentic. And I
think it's a really good point, right. So I think we work with
brands to try to be creative and bring the magic in the places
that it matters.
Well, I'm glad you bring that up, Jen. Because Jen, you know,
Reddit is a place for a wide swath of different
personalities, opinions, perspectives, all of that, you
know, brands are very risk adverse. So how do you make
Reddit a welcoming environment, when we know that it's got to be
to the ethos of what Reddit is,
alright, so let's just stop there. Because what you're
hearing here is real life, billions of dollars worth of
business, and how that's going to be handled. So you need a lot
of the, the brand has to connect to the people. So this is the
inspirational part of the brand. It has to be the right people.
So it's in the community, that's bullshit. How do we get as much
money in as possible? Well, we can show them a better way.
Unknown: Yeah, it's a great question. So
Adam Curry: it's a great question, too,
we start with the question brands should be equal members
in the community. And when you're a member in a community,
it means that you have to observe the values, mores, and
rules set by the community, just like everybody else. So when
brands understand that, and they that's their starting place,
already started off on
a great foot, just listen to it, just shut up with
Unknown: the community. And that's something that we help
brands understand. But then on top of that, we have a whole set
of things that we do that are very unique to us in terms of
moderation, right. So at the base level, we have policy that
ensures that we are anti evil teams able to monitor abuse, and
apply those anti evil teams rules and policies. The thing
that's really unique about Reddit is that second layer of
human moderation. So on. Unlike other platforms, we have a
system where every single community so over 150,000,
communities have five to 50 Human moderators who set rules
to keep the conversation on top all of those communities is
where all of our content comes from. Right. So nothing makes it
into the front page or the feed that isn't already moderated by
the community. The second is we have an upvote and downvote
system that's really powerful to have both so that users can
actually weigh in on what is appropriate content and what's
good content.
Adam Curry: And there it is. This is a whole new
presentation. And they're saying we have human moderators, we
have 15 to 50 moderators before anything surfaces up high enough
for your brand to be tainted by it. Don't worry, you're safe
with us. We got this lady over here. She knows the inside
workings of Twitter and Google. We figured it out. We've tackled
it, they hired 60 People six zero 60 people in New York for
brand advertising. And then they quarantine the Donald. Well, of
course they do. They're pitching this to advertisers. What are
you doing about all that horrible discourse, all these
old right people on the Donald subreddit, we've quarantined
that. So if you want to be effective, and if you are
worried about free speech, and you really feel you need to use
these platforms, which I'm against, and you need to go
after the advertisers. And stop bitching and moaning about
censoring go after the advertisers go for the jugular
where the money is. This is where we could get into our
pitch. Oh, the final thing I want to say I got a note from
where we could
John C. Dvorak: this is another exit strategy. We could start
that group.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. What group the the the anti
brand group that
John C. Dvorak: Media Matters, Greg rebiya Media Matters that
no agenda matters.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I just wanted to mention, you know, the
Google of YouTube specifically, is having issues with their
recommendations so that they need to figure out you know, how
do we recommend stuff to people? That is the right stuff and is
not new? I'm putting our our advertising business in
jeopardy. And we got a note from Ali Jade nally Jade is our
official no agenda producer experiencing transgender. And
she says that she had signed up for some Google rewards where
they pay pennies to you to look at stuff and answer and N and
she believes that she's been targeted as transgender to
review certain YouTube videos. Well they'll do as I say, Here's
a video. What would you want to see next this video or that
video so she's helping to train the algos based on her
transgender experience
there's a lot going on
John C. Dvorak: these guys aren't making enough money which
guys aren't making enough money all of them.
Adam Curry: They've taken an awful lot out of the market.
I'll tell you that they're taking
John C. Dvorak: it out of the market and the market should
yeah, I can see why they'd be concerned and other and I can
see why there'd be this nonsense that bowls that Truman talks
like this because he's part of a community that is a subgroup by
the way that is a milieu of women. And that is a bogus but
very appealing argument. In other words, she's they're
bypassing the AI doesn't work. Yep. There's what she's saying
the it doesn't work. It doesn't work. We know it doesn't work.
That's why there's these problems. And there's
Adam Curry: other platforms you said it worked she said it
literally other platforms now they got problems. They can't do
it. There we
John C. Dvorak: go. We get layers layers, instead of the
problem with them to get one layer human and then disease AI
that doesn't work. We got 25 layers of humans you can't get
by him. Yeah, it's a good pitch.
Adam Curry: So the weights no crap. It's not an it's not an
egg. Of course. It's bull crap. That's it's obvious bullcrap.
Because they had to quarantine the Donald subreddit because
they could not contain it. But they just can any one of the
main things No, no monetization of that group, you know. So
they're, they're going in big on brand advertising. And they're
going to try and grab some away yet another competitor, so this
is heating up. But what you want to do is instead of immediate
matters, or you know, squashing What is it farting, giants,
whatever their name is, you want to be something like I don't
know conservatives buy shit to That's the message you want to
communicate. Because it will work.
John C. Dvorak: But now, yeah, just has to be structured
Unknown: correctly. Yeah. And I don't think that's up to us to
do. Well,
John C. Dvorak: we could do it. We have the skills.
Adam Curry: Well, the way donations are going, we might
have to resort to it.
Unknown: I'm gonna show my mood by donating to no agenda.
Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be
fun.
John C. Dvorak: We do have a few people to think of your issue.
Sir. Starting with surveillance $152 He wants a jobs karma for
his daughter. We'll give them that at the very end. Austin
Wilson $133.33 He's in Sammamish Oh, Washington. Washington Yeah.
died that is. What is this? Sir? How are you sir Austin to the
snowy cascades. And Dame Laura of the snowy cascades, okay.
Yeah. Chris Casey $100.33.
Adam Curry: Once a deed douching today is also his birthday.
John C. Dvorak: Ben de duced birthday list. David Boswell in
Georgetown, Texas. $100 even Baron Walkman of the buckeye.
808 William Alston of Baltimore. Dollars He's says Portland or
Okay. saw on the Twitter's What is this? What are you reading?
Sir Kevin McLaughlin. Vikon of Aluna Lucas, North Carolina
eight 8006 The lopsided boot and he wants
Adam Curry: an F cancer karma for his uncle Huey. We'll do
that in a moment.
John C. Dvorak: Gordon Jones in Sikeston, Missouri. 74 of the 70
showed the kiss. This is the Americans versus the Canadians.
Round 170 $4 It means you're celebrating the Fourth of July
$71 means you're celebrating Canada Day.
Adam Curry: And this so round one means we're going to have a
second round on next week
John C. Dvorak: or the next show is on the Fourth of July. Okay,
but so far. Okay. So this one I'll tell you the score. America
123456 Canada 1234560.
Adam Curry: Even Steven
John C. Dvorak: it'll be over after the fourth of July because
Americans have hopefully come in with 74 hours. I'm sad about the
Canadians who won't follow
Adam Curry: Canadian support is looks pretty dismal. I mean, oh,
yes, six. I mean, they always were always following as closely
as possible that you know, helping out our northern
neighbors and that just let me down here
John C. Dvorak: $74 For Gordon Jones, Peter Chung, Stephanie
Kunkel, Baron Walkman a Buckeye and Geoffrey fields in new Brook
new Browns fells new brown fells Texas Ron fuller on New
Braunfels, Braunfels, Braunfels, and Ron Woodbury in St. George,
Utah. They make a good barbecue there in that town. Then
Canada's got anonymous $71 Sir Alan, Bo's Baron of BC, he came
in a 71 Richard Don and Mon, mon, mon Taan. New Brunswick,
Sir John Knowles, a Baron of Murfreesboro for some reason.
Oh, he says you'll be flying to Canada. So, okay, all right.
That is even a Canadian Nathan Kress as even down one. Nathan
kradic Ben Patrick Sullivan and sturgeon County, Alberta. Okay.
Onward with Robert Robert Bruckner. 5555 Monica de Monica
Lansing. 5510. Great shows lately she's barren. So I'm
sorry. Sir James Knight of the paradise star 5510. Shawn, Luca,
Chuck, in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He's got to save so he counts
that would you bring the Canadians up to a plus one and
then a minus one because Brian and Murphysboro. So we're back
to 11. All right. I'm keeping score. Yeah. And that felt like
Lastly, we have our group of $50 donors a name and location where
applicable starting with Eric nutro. And Flint, Michigan.
Robert Fittler in Mars, Pennsylvania, Bryan Matthews in
Rostov on Don into Soviet Soviet Russia. Russia, in Russia. All
right, Sir Brian Watson in Raleigh, North Carolina. And
last but not least, and then with a huge fall off Dean Powell
in Evanston, Indiana, and then there's this not even
Adam Curry: our worst show of the month.
John C. Dvorak: It's the worst show of the month. I think we
had a worst one worst show than this is pretty bad. But this
June swoon.
Adam Curry: Is a June swoon, or people just don't like it. Maybe
they're sick of us maybe is maybe I haven't been agreeing
enough with the D platform. People are very mad. Send me a
note. Wake up man. Don't you see what's happening?
John C. Dvorak: Well, I don't know. I've to be honest about
it. I think you've done five of these so far. The last one I'm
done now. This was pretty definitive. Yeah, well, you
don't get it by now. You're never gonna get it.
Adam Curry: Exactly. And then go ahead run around behind
everybody yelling censorship, censorship, if you want to if
you want to fix this today. You know what to do?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, go after Nike. I think Nike was the most
egregious example. Yeah. And you know, it's true. And you're
wearing Nike shoes any of you complaining any of you if you
got
Adam Curry: Nike shoes right now? You should should burn them
to burn them.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you should know on our video if you
disagree with it. What if you don't care? Like I don't the
whole thing to me is a logical people advertise it what they do
what they want to do and advertise. I've never been a big
fan of that. I won't burn my Nike shoes now. I don't
particularly like Nike shoes, but I won't burn them. You
should burn
Adam Curry: them while you're wearing them.
John C. Dvorak: When I'm running man on YouTube, my feet are on
fire.
Adam Curry: Anyway, thank you very much for the people who did
support the show what is our value for value system?
Hopefully we brought you the value all we ask is that you
send us whatever you thought it was worth to you. For some
people this could be a million dollar idea that we had
somewhere for other people. It could just be keeping you sane
keeping you a little bit on your toes thinking a little bit
differently from the herd. For others, you know, you don't give
a
John C. Dvorak: shit others you know, there's a stock chip in
there and nobody noticed I did
Adam Curry: Oh snap. I know I'm not the one you're talking
about. I don't
John C. Dvorak: know it is illegal to give stock stock tips
if you're not doing it, right. I just
Adam Curry: had a snap claim. I just said snap.
John C. Dvorak: Didn't say that was what it was. No,
Adam Curry: no. I'm just saying like, Oh snap. It's like Oh,
snap. Yes, it's true. There was something in there. Yeah.
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shall be known from this day forward and then we do have a
very joyous occasion today which is a Daming we've got a lady
coming in. So I need a well this is this is actually you should
do this one John. So
John C. Dvorak: I think the short here you're on you're on
you're you're the best.
Adam Curry: Well, why don't you come up here and we're on the
podium.
John C. Dvorak: Okay, I'll be standing Okay, here
Adam Curry: we go. Anonymous lesbian. Here we go. It's taken
a while. But man do we appreciate your support it means
a lot to us especially why you really tuned into the program.
You have reached the level of Dame and a belong here at the
roundtable with the rest of the Knights in the Dames and
therefore I N Jhansi Dvorak I'm very proud to pronounce the K v.
Dame anonymous lesbian Dame and Lady of the no agenda round
table before you we have hookers and blow rent boys and
Chardonnay early times and BF for Captain Morgans and women's
questionable reputations, bro we got harlots and have no beer and
blanc vodka and vanilla bong hits and bourbon sparkling cider
and escorts June driven gerbil and mutton and Mead. Pretty sure
you like that? Especially the meat head on over to no agenda
nation.com/rings And we'll get that information out to you but
the information will get the ring out to you as soon as
possible. Just give Eric the shill all of the all of the info
that he needs ring size etc. No one's we got some meetups. We
have one that happening on the Fourth of July two actually in
Seattle and in Washington DC now I got a note from Diem Dame
Sheila the lady of Lisboa. Adam, hope you're well I entered a
meet up a couple days ago for next Friday, July 5 and Lisbon
also sent an email to me me it wasn't mentioned on the show. I
haven't heard from him. He is it can you check it? I can't see it
on the list. So I've put it in the list here. I forwarded this
to the back office meanie to see if there's something wrong with
your submission. But we're gonna keep it on our list here July 5
and Lisbon July 6 in Utrecht, the Netherlands July 9,
Knoxville, Tennessee. The 11th is Charles Charleston. It is
indeed South Carolina. And this is organized. I forget which
Dame is organizing this, but they're doing the way they're
doing their meetups. There is a six week cycle. So every six
weeks they do a meet up, which I think is a great idea. Keep it
on a six week cycle. This is where you can say you really
think it's a great idea. It's a great idea. July 13 Atlanta,
Georgia July 19 Colorado Springs Colorado July 20. southwest
London the 26th St. Louis Missouri to on the 27th Buffalo,
New York and Frisco Texas, and that is the 27th Yes, the final
one. And you can go to no agenda meetups.com To find out if
there's one near you how to get to any of these what specifics
they are or if you want to start one yourself and there was an
idea from Brandon from Michigan local one. I don't know if you
saw this email come in about peerage for the meetups. So the
idea is, but I'll read this note to John. With the growing
popularity of no agenda meetups, the question continues to arise
what do we do with any collective money donated to the
show his idea is make the no agenda meetup community be
credited example imagine at the next Michigan local one meetup
the whole group at the meetup collectively donates $400 Rather
than that money be not credited to anyone have the credit be to
Michigan local one. To continue with this. The following is
various levels apply to Michigan local ones. So it would be a
group donation a group level and they suggest local one at $1,000
level the shanty town clubhouse 5000 The meeting lodge onwards
up to the grand a state of Michigan local one. I just
thought it was an interesting idea. So I want to you're in
charge of the peerage committee and all that So I want to
John C. Dvorak: say something, it's an idea I prefer. If
somebody's going to collect money that you have to designate
a collector. And then I would do it the same way we collect the
money normally, which is take notes on who gave it, put it in
an envelope and then forwarded the envelope to us and the post
office box with all the with all the applicable notes if there's
a check. There's only happened once with Pittsburgh, and it was
a check in some miscellaneous cash but it we'll have to think
about how to do this. So it works. Okay, I think a lot of
people like to get to personal credit.
Adam Curry: But I think what he's saying is, they get the
personal credit, but then there's a collective.
John C. Dvorak: So it might make it competitive, it might be
interesting, it's possible. Do consider how to do it. You don't
We don't want to make it too complicated. That's the only
issue.
Adam Curry: And thank everybody who came in under $50 for their
subscriptions, one off donations, long term layaway
knighthoods, which do work plenty of people get to the
roundtable that way, just thank you all very much. It's our
value for value system, you can see why we cannot participate in
any manner in the in the brand advertising space force. We
can't participate in that because everything we say on
every show is pretty much off message and would not give any
brand the idea that we're a happy place
Unknown: to advertise, unless there's a shooting range. And
even that
Adam Curry: is questionable.
John C. Dvorak: So, so I have a couple of notes I want to read,
Adam Curry: hopefully the one from the social media spy.
John C. Dvorak: The No, I don't have that. Okay. All right. I'll
read that one in a moment. I have one from producer Tad, who
is a grouch. Our favorite government legislative analyst
has let us down again. I think he asked you if sleepy Joe was
for student debt forgiveness recently, whether those debts
could be forgiven is not the issue. The only way to energize
the younger voters is to make it part of the platform. Creepy Joe
can't be on the ticket because he was instrumental in the
criminal legislation to make the no asset back student loans
unforgivable. I didn't realize that but now I do. Thank you for
that note, he also made a common complaint about when it comes to
this issue you and crackpot who are usually so worldly wise seem
quite oblivious to the entire American education scam.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Sure.
John C. Dvorak: Have you even mentioned the Cultural Marxism
that's being indoctrinated into the permanent debt slaves? No
matter?
Adam Curry: Isn't half our show isn't half our show about that?
What is what is this guy on?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. If you admit you had no idea what
flight of the Concorde was I realized you're only human. Then
he goes on saying it's the best podcast in universe, of course.
So there's but now we have one that's a mia culpa, which I
think is should be corrected. And this is a good letter from
Joe, in Illinois, which we talked about how they legalized
marijuana in the last show, or your information. We voted to
have that as a referendum legalization. On the most recent
ballot. We also voted to have a term limits referendum. Neither
made it on the ballot somehow. They wanted to control who gets
the pot contracts legendary.
Adam Curry: Chicago, okay,
John C. Dvorak: there you go. And somehow we never got to
weigh in about our asshat career politicians longevity. Michael
Madigan, the Speaker of the Illinois house is the longest
serving and most corrupt state politician in the United States.
The fact that it was our legislature that merely was a
means of control. We were supposed to vote for pot in the
midterms. Okay. Ah, interesting. So I gave them a lot of kudos
for the legislature doing this. But then it turns out that the
kudos were not deserved. It was a scam. Scam.
Adam Curry: And this This shows how it shows very accurately how
this podcast is a network of producers. You participate in so
many ways. In fact, I would love to hear for some of our
producers who were in the advertising business. None of
them have showed up that the one I had to go to was the one I
live with who was the best one I know one of the best marketers
ever. I'm also married to her.
We need more of that.
John C. Dvorak: We have a few people.
Adam Curry: I just got an emergency message here. Darren
O's dad is having hip replacement surgery surgery on
Wednesday and He wasn't he didn't he just found out he
didn't have time to send them a health karma so I'm gonna do
that now if you don't mind you've got karma there are no
works with Void zero running the the infrastructure keeps us on
the air.
John C. Dvorak: I have one more ISO to suggest this is Judy.
Okay.
Unknown: Hello to both of you.
Adam Curry: Maybe we could do a combo
Unknown: hello to both of you.
Adam Curry: No, no, no I didn't work. Hello. I like that. Hello
to both of you.
Hello to both of you. To both of you.
It's good. I like it is end of show. So when the other one was
this one I do not believe you are a racist. No Judy's better.
I think we'll keep it with Judy. Yeah, she's
John C. Dvorak: got more more. She's got more song in her voice
Adam Curry: got a great note from our social media spy. He is
I believe he's a night actually. And this kind of taps into
everything we've ever thought about what's going on today.
I've worked in the insurance industry for over a decade.
About five or six years ago, the company I worked for started a
program based on a product being offered by the private
investigation companies we use to find fraudulent claims
company started offering a social media search on our
claimants the searches costs were going up to 500 bucks per
search. Some bigwigs tried the service but it was clear their
private investigators were using interns with five minutes to
type a few names into Google and then send them search results.
That clearly a joke just to charge us extra. So what happens
is they decided to take this in house and he is the one that
built this. This practice within their company to find fraudulent
insurance claims through social media. Well, the first year we
save the company over $10 million in fraudulent payments.
So over the last five or six years, I've been what my wife
jokes, a professional Facebook stalker, there's not a huge
amount of fraudulent claims. But when they happen, the money in
them is usually significant. We do all this legally with
publicly posted info online, I have caught doctors selling
drugs illegally, people claiming they're sick, but opening
businesses all the way to people having their wives or husbands
calling us and sending fake medical records. Over time, I've
seen some stuff with social media you might not be aware of
from the outside. First of all, Twitter is useless, and serves
no one anything really useful. For all the millions of people
on Twitter, only about 5% of users actually use their
accounts. We discovered this very early on in our research,
people create accounts to just follow celebrities or
politicians. They don't actually tweet anything. Just Retweet
their favorite people, if they use it at all. This echo chamber
is much bigger than anyone realizes and goes nowhere. And
this was an eye opener to me. And it makes a lot of sense.
What do they claim now? 300 million users Twitter.
John C. Dvorak: I've not only talked about this before, but
I've written a column about this. What I've noticed, which
is your Twitter is what he says is absolutely correct. Because
when Twitter first started, I just give the story again, I've
told it before. When Twitter first started, I had like 10,000
followers, I would tweet a link that was something that I could
count. In other words, it would be to something about a blog or
something and it had a counter, I could count and you tweet a
link to 10,000 people and you'd get maybe 1000 people to click
on it. Right now I have over 100,000 followers and I tweet a
link. And instead of getting 1000 followers you think I mean
technically I should get 10,000 Right? You get less than 100. If
less not less than 50. Maybe sometimes 10 is rule it's
completely useless. Well,
Adam Curry: I'm just looking at the numbers if it's
300,000,005% 15 million. It makes total sense at all this
outrageous a very small group.
John C. Dvorak: Second, a lot of noise.
Adam Curry: YouTube used to let us pull videos down that
claimants posted publicly of them doing things they clearly
shouldn't be able to do. Example, someone claims to have
a bad back but has several videos of themselves waterskiing
or lifting 50 pound bags of dirt. What an idiot. In the past
we had to stop doing that YouTube actually threatened to
block us okay, Facebook is more trouble than the public knows or
is being reported. Try searching for your friends or family on
Facebook recently. It's almost impossible to narrow down to
someone in a large city or that has a common name. Face back you
think his bag, Facebook used to have something called Graph
Search. It was a back end hidden thing that would let you find
out useful info about anyone using the service. Lots of
outside companies. Were using this public information as a
business model. But graph search was taken away in the past month
over privacy concerns. Several years ago, we used to find
people using just an email address or for phone numbers,
but Facebook removed that for privacy concerns as well. As we
do research on people, we are finding only older folks using
Facebook 45 to 65 to be exact. Usually people are not tech
savvy, younger people may have accounts occasionally post but
older people are the everyday users. Yes, Facebook is a big
problem. And this was interesting last bit from
industry articles, I understand the graph search being removed,
has had some big problems. Facebook apparently sold itself
to college researchers, businesses, medical companies,
etc. Giving them publicly available data they could do
studies on for their papers. With it now gone, people are
scattering like cockroaches to find other vendors of this data.
The thought is that Facebook will come back with the service
again, but a few months from now there'll be charging for that.
Though. I thought there was some enlightening stuff. First of
all, your insurance company is checking on you.
John C. Dvorak: Oh yeah, they have to be
Adam Curry: um, but people don't really realize that. Oh, just
post stuff. It's fine. It's all
John C. Dvorak: good. Here idiots.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Social media spy.
It's appreciate.
John C. Dvorak: So I do have a Brexit little Brexit info. Oh,
good. Are they done yet? No. But they're having this this huge
problem with Boris. There's two things going on Boris is like
nuts. And Corbyn. They're trying to
Adam Curry: trying to railroad him or they're trying to really
make him look like a face to
John C. Dvorak: all day. They're trying to you know, even though
he's sad, I know they they think there may be a coalition between
the Liberal Democrats and maybe labour at some point because
Liberal Democrats are gonna make a huge comeback in this next
election. In the Brexit party is elections coming up in what
elections? The parliamentary elections the big boys, the big
ones do anything? They're doing another election? What do they
do elections whenever they feel like it? Apparently did? I
didn't I missed this parliamentary system works.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Did they just call a new election? I must
have missed this.
John C. Dvorak: Tickets did election that was already
scheduled.
Adam Curry: This is the leadership the leadership? No,
no, John, it hold on. It's the leadership election.
John C. Dvorak: Okay. Well, they got a leadership election, but
they got a problem with.
Adam Curry: So that means it's only the Conservative leader.
It's not. It's not
John C. Dvorak: No, I think there's a general election.
Adam Curry: I think you're wrong. It's for it's for the
this is what we've been following. I know. Okay. Well, I
just want to correct you.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you're not correcting me yet.
Adam Curry: And what I'm saying that the that we've had three
rounds the vote the voting will be for the leadership of the
Conservative Party, which will be between Boris and I guess
hunt will be the two the two main ones. But I don't think
there's a general
John C. Dvorak: election at general election coming. Well,
whatever the case, they're still trying to railroad Corbin and
Boris is a problem. He's getting to be a problem. And so they I
was listening to one of the talk shows which I unfortunately
thought I had a clip of but I don't have been going over this.
I don't have it. But one of the talk shows was going on about
Boris and a situation where the police were called to his
girlfriend's apartment and Boris was there and the cops went in
and out and he's not talking about it. And he's not talking
about he's not talking about it. And everybody's all wondering
what the hell was going on there. And one of these
commentators said that she thinks that the whole thing was
staged by Boris to change and I never thought about people doing
this but I can see it working because it would work with
Trump. It was staged by Boris to change his Google wrist a search
results. So when you start looking for anything about Boris
this bullshit thing with the with the cops showed up to to
turn people away from his nutball interview. I believe it
was a radio interview. Or maybe it was on video array an
interview with Boris where he goes off on these buses on his
what he does for his spare time he he creates buses.
Adam Curry: He creates buses.
John C. Dvorak: This is the craziest thing you'll ever hear.
This is This is Boris on making what did this is an interview
with Boris the interviewer asked him what do you do in your spare
time and Boris apparently he doesn't know doesn't do anything
as far as so he starts making appears to be making stuff up.
And then he goes just goes off the deep end. What do you do to
relax? What
Unknown: do you do to switch off i What I like to paint, I make
things I like to what do you make I make I have a thing where
I make models of Burrard Inlet where we build a beautiful I
make buses, you make models of bus, they make models of buses.
So what I do what I make is I get old wooden crates. Yeah,
right. And then I paint them and they have to suppose it's a
white box that's been used to contain two, two wine bottles,
right. And it will have a dividing thing. I turned it into
a bus away so passengers here you will know this to enjoy the
passengers enjoying themselves. Okay, great, wonderful bus.
Adam Curry: Wow. So that's it's not really like Model Railroad.
He's really making him out of toilet paper rolls and he's
John C. Dvorak: just talking. People having a wonderful time
on their wonderful bus. I mean, how can
Adam Curry: it be that Boris is I don't know how we got there.
How does this work?
John C. Dvorak: Really smart kid? Yeah. Is how it got there.
And he went to the right schools and went to Eton. Yes, yes. Yes.
True. On on, and he was always one of the smart kids. If you
see there's a good there's a good audience on YouTube.
There's a good documentary about his life.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I
John C. Dvorak: we talked about fascinating actually.
Adam Curry: He's a great painter.
John C. Dvorak: A painter?
Adam Curry: Yes. He's the
John C. Dvorak: good. Yeah. I don't think he's as good as
George Bush.
Adam Curry: It's in that league.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's the same kind of thing. But Bush
Bush, when he got into painting he, you know, he did what you're
supposed to do. If you want to take it serious, some serious
late life, he hired a bunch of very expensive real painting
instructors to come over and tutor him. And so that made a
difference. But so this is like become a problem. Just buses
thing he did. And it's being discussed to in excess. So he's
open. So that's why they think
Adam Curry: they wanted to move away from the
John C. Dvorak: one to get the search results away from these
this nutty re-interview. What a way to do it. I had trouble
finding the interview. Because I heard about it. I heard about
it. And it was it's already almost gone. It's very difficult
to find that clip.
Adam Curry: I received a clip from BBC about Angular Merkel
and her second bout of shaking, and we've been interested in
what's going on and doesn't seem like that's hydrogen, another
hydration issue. In fact, she was shaking on stage and it's a
very odd shake. It's from her legs from her abdomen and down.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, just like she's freezing to death.
Adam Curry: He had a little bit and except the shaking more is
forward to back very strange. And what is interesting about
this report is they really get into it. And then it gets cut
off. I don't know if it was some kind of error. But just when it
gets really kind of meaty. It's done. And this is BBC headline
news report.
Unknown: spokesman had insisted that the chancellor is fine. She
has gone off as planned to the G 20. Summit of world leaders in
Japan, leaving behind her though at home real concerns about her
health. Mrs. Merkel always appears to be in robust health.
She has a punishing shedule. She's seen as a strong leader
who can deal with that. And so this has come as a real shock.
And of course, the fact that it has happened now twice, is
really adding to those concerns. When Mrs. Merkel appeared to
shake uncontrollably during a reception last week, she was
stood outside in the hot sunshine in the direct glare of
the afternoon sun. And she said afterwards, she'd simply been
dehydrated. What happened this morning took place in rather
different circumstances she was indoors and the temperature will
have been much cooler because whilst Berlin has experienced a
heatwave in the last couple of days today, actually we've had a
bit of respite and the temperatures have really calmed
down. There has yet been no official explanation for what's
wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually don't really get
one. I think Mrs. Merkel's team will be very keen to try and
push this away or sweep it under the carpet. Because in the next
few days, Germany really pretty much goes on holiday Mrs. Merkel
parliament, they will disappear off on that summer recess, and
the reason that her team will want to minimize any focus on
what's happened this morning. Is because this is a really tricky
time for German politics, Mrs. Merkel some time ago handed over
some of her power to a woman called Annegret Kramp Karen
Bower, but in recent weeks and months she's made a series of
public gaffes. She has made some very controversial statements
and there are a lot of question marks out there in Germany as to
whether she's really a suitable candidate to run Germany and
Adam Curry: and that's how that's how we get just got cut
off. Wow, I don't I don't know if someone said pull it.
John C. Dvorak: Somebody must have this was plugged on it
Adam Curry: could be getting kind of interesting about you
know, the her replacement who's messing up a little bit and you
know, I guess they have to keep her in.
John C. Dvorak: I was looking at the pictures of her that they
showed where she was shaking and then there's a close up picture
of her face, and she has a Dima
Unknown: what's a Dima? Her face is swollen
John C. Dvorak: it's puffy you can't see any wrinkles in her
face and it's it's just like she's got some puffiness in her
face. That is it's a Dima, you if you look it up is is a
problem if you you know, your swatch just got a swollen head.
And it's you look at it. I mean, there's a really nice picture
one of these newspapers is a close up of her face and she's
got no wrinkles anymore. And her mouth is real smallest little
like a slit. And I was looking at what is the edema caused by
heart failure, cirrhosis of the liver, various insufficiencies
like kidney diseases possible
Adam Curry: about how about she's on prednisone.
John C. Dvorak: Maybe she has a lot of cancer. It could be she
could be on some drug, but whatever that but I think that's
her shaking and the end and Dima seemed to be connected to me
because I looked at her this woman looks like this doesn't
look like her She Doesn't your faces. Normally she's got a
sagging face.
Adam Curry: Maybe they need to circulate some more children's
blood through hers or
John C. Dvorak: COVID She needs to shed her skin just saying
yeah, that's a possibility
Adam Curry: could it because it kind of does look like that
initial reptile skin shedding sequence. Yeah, they can do this
like a locust we did. Annie and she's trying to suppress it
gonna be but I feel horrible. So I don't mind doing it about
sorrows. But there's a woman seems Ill
John C. Dvorak: be hospitalized. Problems. Let's face it. The
couple of things. There's the everyone made a big story about
you know, Trump met Putin.
Adam Curry: That was funny. It's too bad that no one got the
audio. How is that possible? Because of all the stupid
cameras clicking? Can we stop with these camera clicks? Here?
John C. Dvorak: Where's the guy with the microphone and the dead
cat on the end? It was sticking it out there that meeting. The
dead kitten is the cut is the technical term for that fuzzy
ball that you put over the mic. Is ABC did a story on it. They
had to blast Trump men make make a mockery of a minute. I think
you could justify it to some extent, but it's not really much
of a story. And it wasn't I think they overplayed it. He
wasn't joking around that much. I mean, it wasn't like me just
just listen to this. This is a story about about meddling
We head overseas now tonight President Trump making global
headlines during his meeting with Russian President Vladimir
Putin at the G 20. Summit in Japan. The two leaders joking in
their first face to face meeting since the Muller report blasted
Russia for sweeping and systematic interference in the
2016 US election. President Trump playfully telling Putin
Don't meddle in the election. ABCs chief White House
correspondent Jonathan Karl is there in Japan. They greeted
each other like old friends President Trump with a pat on
the back for Vladimir Putin. Later as they prepared to face
the cameras, the two leaders commiserated about the news
media we have
Adam Curry: I mean, this is just not usable. Really. I mean, I
can't believe they went with this because it's this why even
show it they must have had some
John C. Dvorak: subtitles subtitles Yeah,
a shared joke. Although Putin has been accused of having
journalists murdered. This is the first Trump Putin meeting
since Robert Mueller released his report documenting Russia's,
quote, sweeping and systemic interference in the 2016
election. And American reporter asked Trump if he'd warned Putin
not to do it again. The President responded with a
smile.
Two men met behind closed doors for nearly an hour. The White
House did not say whether the issue of election meant meddling
came up, what did come up a possible Moscow visit for
President Trump, Putin inviting him to Russia in May, just
months before the election. No word yet on whether the
invitation will be accepted? Well,
Adam Curry: I thought it was a very humorous moment and they
all dropped the ball. Because the question was, are you going
to tell the President Putin not to meddle in our elections and
Trump looks over and says Don't meddle in our elections? It was
fun. It was hilarious. But now we can't have any jokes anymore
because oh evil Hey, there's one thing that there's not a lot of
useful audio on for clips. But yesterday this reporter for
quillette which is a reasonably new entrant into into the online
news game but that kind of like him I think it's a very small
group and the know his name NGO, no, no. And no, just No, Andy
No. And he was up in Portland and Antifa through Of course,
milkshakes Adam and then beat him up, punched him kicked him
bear spray pepper spray and stole his GoPro stole his GoPro.
Apparently, the the milkshakes now are really quick drying
cement. Which I
John C. Dvorak: did not know this. Yes,
Adam Curry: this is the Portland Police tweeted. Police have
received information that some of the milkshakes thrown today
during the demonstration contained quick drying cement.
We are encouraging anyone hit with a substance today to report
it to police.
John C. Dvorak: And you could blame somebody with that. Well,
first of all, I
Adam Curry: told you that this milkshake thing would end
poorly. And it's just unbelievable that Portland
allows people to roam around with with the with hoods on with
the poor. Man what is going on Mayor some
John C. Dvorak: weenies a wimp can't do anything about the
police are handcuffed is this is one of those situations where
you have a DA, who's a you know,
Adam Curry: another store? Oh, sister? Is this another sort of
system could be cozy? I
John C. Dvorak: don't know. Seems so it seems. So this is
the same style of do nothing da District Attorney. So what are
you going to do?
Adam Curry: Let me see. Who is the district attorney?
John C. Dvorak: While you're looking that up? I do want to
point out the top story. If you go to Google News headlines,
white hat you know, this morning, or whenever like
yesterday, Trump went to North Korea actually went into the
country. Oh, he did? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was a big deal.
blasted him for it. Oh, yeah. But then they headline on CNN
instead of the trunk. Trump and Kim Jong meeting or they went
with this story. White House press secretary Stephanie
Grisham bruised amid scuffle between reporters and North
Korean guards.
Adam Curry: This, this makes me kind of angry. Because here,
here's a guy he's gay too, just to make just you know, a gay guy
by himself. Walking around reporting for an actual
publication gets beat up. No coverage is zero. Yeah, Fox
News, of course. But no one's covering it. In this. And it's
this is really, this is not a good situation. This is now
we're down to violence and cement. And it has all the
elements of a great story. But they refuse to cover it just
like this.
John C. Dvorak: Will though cover the Stephanie Grisham
being bruised. So they showed a video I watched through the
report on this. This was like a crowd of people that Trump is
going off on his own as he always does. And she's trying to
catch up. She pushes pushes her way through a couple of guards
and she gets through and that's the end of it. And this is the
video they show on CNN. But they make it sound as all hell broke
loose. And I don't see any evidence of it on screen. It was
bull. It's a bull crap story.
Adam Curry: Remember, everybody all media is is convincing. You
have something one way or the other.
John C. Dvorak: But you right. Yeah. The Andy thinks should
have been reported by someone. But now know if it was it was
the other side of the coin, it would have been reported for
sure. I mean, that's the other problem with with your whole
presentation about advertising is that the media has been
pushing an agenda that makes it very uncomfortable to advertise
for advertisers to go any places. I think it's almost like
they're doing it to protect their interests. So that the
whole anti Trump thing is like it is part of a money making
scheme. Yeah, like anybody sincerely hates Trump. I mean, I
think a lot of them do because they kind of trained that way,
but that's not the point. Anyway,
Adam Curry: Money makes the world go round. We all know it.
You can we got to say it. It's just true. And everything,
pretty much everything is advertising in media. I mean, we
got to, you know, Andy's problem was he wasn't he wasn't on a TV
show. He was gay. He was he's not white.
John C. Dvorak: By the way, He has a Twitter feed that's
fascinating his Twitter feed it one point you can go back and
get enough of it is documented every one of these phony baloney
you know that Jesse Smollett kind of thing.
Adam Curry: Oh, outrage, hate crimes hoax,
John C. Dvorak: attacks, interest and he talks documents
and back for years he must have 100 of them and one after the
other and it's just like you read him you go home remember
that? I remember that. So you know, like there's a situation
that happened with Rolling Stone magazine where the reporter was
suckered by some woman crying about being raped and turned out
she was never even there. And then he lived in a town and she
they write a big story about it, burning off some some fraternity
kind of passed by the way, she sighed. He's documented all
these it's quite interesting. The guy's name is spelled N G O
if anyone's interested.
Adam Curry: Just a couple other things that were there. We'll
follow up on Thursday and we have more information. Wall
Street will be waiting for more news regarding meetings between
Trump and Zhi Jing ping. There has been some positive news kind
of like well, you know, it looks like we'll be able to get Huawei
back while we're working on stuff that we haven't I think
the street is really looking for you know, some some big positive
Yes, concrete thing.
John C. Dvorak: In addition to that anyone listen to the last
DHL unplugged. Andrew horror was predicted the meetings over
Yeah, Andrew horror was predicted this almost to the
letter. Okay. It was gonna be a nothing. Yeah. Okay. You know,
kind of an agreement to agree kind of meeting. Did you have
anything to do? It didn't really make a lot. Thank you. Nothing
Adam Curry: robust, a
John C. Dvorak: little break on on living the problem with the
wall. He's having trouble getting certain parts only to
get from American suppliers. So that's been loosened. And then
so that has been loosened a little. Yeah, it's been loosened
a lot. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, I think that that should cause some shakeups
tomorrow. It's also this Iran instex thing, which is, I should
play this clip just so we're on top of it, because this is this
is a real threat. To the United States. Our system that is our
system is the petro dollar, the United States dollar, which we
enforce at the end of the barrel of a gun. And what we don't want
is people trading oil in other currencies enter insects
Unknown: is the deal dead today in Vienna, the EU three that's
France, Germany in the UK, plus, Russia and China met an Iranian
delegation to try and keep it alive. One of the keys to that
they believe is a European Trade mechanism called instex. That
will allow countries to continue trading with Iran without
falling foul of secondary US sanctions. The EU has confirmed
that instex is now up and running. Iran's Deputy Foreign
Minister Abbas araqchi gave that news are cautious welcome,
countries, we used to buy oil from Iran or considering to buy
Iranian oil in different mechanisms. For Europeans cases,
perhaps a bit different. What they are trying to do is first
to establish a banking channel or a financial channel for
financial transactions. Insects is now operationalized is now
active. But the rest is still far from our expectations. Well,
Natalie Tachi, his special adviser to the EU's foreign
policy chief Federica Mogherini. So how important is the news
that the insects mechanism appears to be up and running?
Well, I think it's key because essentially, what it is, is that
a spa essentially a state backed instrument to allow for you
around trade, is operational and is now preparing to conduct its
first transactions. I think the second piece of important news
today, is the fact that seven other EU member states have
committed essentially to sort of working alongside that EU three
and the European External Action Service in the context of
insects. So I think this really demonstrates that Europeans are
not simply committed to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of
Action in words, but they're actually prepared to stick out
their legs in action as well.
Adam Curry: So this, this cannot stand, of course. I don't know
what they're going to do about it. But we can have this this
trading or insects, by the way, that stands for instrument in
support of trading exchange. It's been around for a while.
This isn't brand new, that just never really activated it. But I
think this is a problem.
John C. Dvorak: I agree. And I don't know what like a secondary
currency.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And if they really start trading, and I
there would have to be retaliation against Europe, the
EU three as we were just told, don't you think?
John C. Dvorak: I would absolutely think yes, if you're
going to do anything at all, can't have this is just a
workaround. Oh, yeah, there's a rule in place you're not
supposed to trade under these circumstances. And doing a
workaround is cheating. It's just cheating. I don't know why
they even caught don't call it that.
Adam Curry: Well, it's going to be trying times for our
president we shall see. We'll see how he does.
John C. Dvorak: No, no, he's gonna do that. I do have one
last thing.
Adam Curry: All right, this this has got to be at work. The
affiliates are already past.
John C. Dvorak: The they've always been pissed. The I have
actually played the two clips or I can play the one clip. I think
I'm going to play two clips. And this is the Jimmy Carter comment
that took place where he'd said that Trump is an illegitimate
president because the Russians fix the Alexa election. And he
made this comment on the stage and he got a lot of attention. I
have the PBS report, which I thought soft peddled it because
I have the original clip of him actually saying and how he said
it. Yeah. And this and PBS kind of I thought they were kind of
kind to Trump for a change. Because I guess bit nobody's
taking Carter too seriously, and they want to make a big deal out
of what he actually said, which was pretty pathetic. But let's
play. The PBS clip first is only 51 seconds. Um, yes, objective
report on Jimmy Carter got it
and a related development, former President Jimmy Carter
said he believes President Trump actually lost the 2016 election,
but Russian interference won him the White House anyway. Mr.
Carter spoke in Virginia at a discussion on human rights.
Historian Jon Meacham asked if that means he thinks to trump
presidency is, quote, illegitimate.
There's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the
election. And I think the interference although not yet
quantified, if fully reverse yet it would show that Trump didn't
actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and
he was put in office because the Russians interfere.
In a 2017 report, US intelligence agencies concluded
that Russia did interfere in the 2016 election to help Mr. Trump
they did not assess whether those actions affected the
outcome.
Which is objective. She she has a tell where she smacks her lips
at the beginning. Coming out of a clip.
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on. We need to listen to this. lipsmack not
sure what I want to hear. I want to hear it. I want to say
John C. Dvorak: election and he was put in office because the
Russians interfere
Adam Curry: in you it's more of a
John C. Dvorak: Okay, he does it a lot. Yeah, she scratchy smacks
her lips more than anybody on the air. She should have the new
whatever did guide our producer caught us doing it. She should
write her route. Now. Here's the whole clip. This is the little
interview.
Adam Curry: Let me just let me just review. Let me just review.
What I heard Carter say in that clip was President Trump did not
win the election. He somehow he got put in by Putin.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, that's pretty much what he says
in this clip too. But this takes a little further and then also
add some screwball, then ending that's kind of gets a big laugh
for the audience. I just found the whole thing to be
disturbing. And Carter, and Carter was up there on the stage
with Meacham. And then there's some guy I don't know, who was
sitting next to Carter, who looked like he was half dead.
And he's just sitting there like a like a lump, as my mother used
to say, but but let's play this
Unknown: Russia, as has been proven or by our intelligence
community to have interfered with one of our human rights,
which is the right of free and fair elections. What's your
reaction? How
John C. Dvorak: should we deal with Russia? Well, the President
himself should condemn it. Admit there happened, which 16 of
intelligence agencies have already agreed to do to say, and
there's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the
election. And I think they enter France, although not yet
quantified. I have pulled any budget, it will show that Trump
didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election,
and he was put in office because they Russians interfere on his
behalf.
Unknown: So do you believe President Trump is an
illegitimate president?
John C. Dvorak: Based on what I just said, was I can't retract?
Adam Curry: Women, that's a little different than the way
the report was.
John C. Dvorak: The report was a little Yeah, it didn't take it
didn't bring all the nuttiness out. The report is pretty
straightforward. I thought the report was was I thought the
report is okay. I thought it was objective. It was still brought
him out but didn't lose you to hear the whole thing which he
just did. It's a little more radical. I thought.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm very happy that the national news media is
completely obsessed with this kind of stuff with an old guy
who was a one term president,
John C. Dvorak: by many considered the worst president
in history,
Adam Curry: and this one Very important to have all this going
on. Meanwhile, we have a domestic terrorist with the ski
masks throwing wet cemented people beating up gays. And
that's not covered. Maybe it's just me Murca baby. We are the
beacon of shining light for all media manipulation. foam finger
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John C. Dvorak: I think most people think of rape as being
sexy, but you don't feel like a victim. I was not thrown on the
ground and ravish I walked in right and and we set the door
and bang
against the wall but I have no idea who she is
Adam Curry: the fantasy immediately upon walking into
that dress why it's acting
John C. Dvorak: against the wall Instagram we'll talk money
fascinating to talk to
this is a woman who's also accused other men it is a
totally false accusation. I think she was buried as I read I
have no idea who she is. But she was married to a Johnson
Adam Curry: buffalo the Dyngus Bay capital of the world
Unknown: you're fascinating to talk to
this valley insider has switched bodies going to watch youtube
today she's got a big fan stream she always says she was gonna
let us go when you can see no drilling because there is no
truly one reason do you need to be lovey dovey my dog don't
don't communities draw the whole side down
Adam Curry: this video from your account has been disabled for
violation of the YouTube community guidelines. Thank you
and have a nice day. Oh well.
Guess it better go and ask for a manual review.
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John C. Dvorak: hello to both of you.