1 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,989 More facts with Adam curry from May 4 2022. This is episode 2 00:00:15,989 --> 00:00:20,639 number 80. And concerning today's date may the fourth be 3 00:00:20,639 --> 00:00:23,999 with you. I'm Adam curry coming to you from the heart of the 4 00:00:23,999 --> 00:00:27,029 Texas Hill Country and FEMA Region number six and it's time 5 00:00:27,029 --> 00:00:29,699 once again to spin the Wheel of topics from here to Northern 6 00:00:29,699 --> 00:00:34,379 Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end the ever 7 00:00:34,379 --> 00:00:36,809 inevitable I'm trying to fill up the space because I know it'll 8 00:00:36,809 --> 00:00:39,449 sound really cool if I can stretch it all the way. Yes, 9 00:00:39,599 --> 00:00:47,489 please say hello to the OneNote Mr. Moe facts good. That was the 10 00:00:47,489 --> 00:00:53,609 freakiest DJ intro I've ever done. You had to hit that post 11 00:00:53,609 --> 00:00:54,839 brother. Hey man, how you doing? 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,570 I'm doing well. How about yourself feel good. 13 00:00:57,570 --> 00:01:01,680 And we're trying to get back on schedule here. All kinds of 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,450 things got in the way travel. You know I had a like an 15 00:01:06,450 --> 00:01:09,480 internment for my dad in New York. And so things just got all 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,220 twisted around. You had like severe allergies anyway. No one 17 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:16,620 needs to hear all that crap. We're here and we're ready to 18 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:22,080 bring you the value that is Mo facts with Adam curry. And I'm 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,510 very excited. I usually I have no idea what it's about. But you 20 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:30,270 know, I do see the the clipless I'm like Ha 21 00:01:31,470 --> 00:01:36,960 yeah. It's it's gonna be an interesting ride as always, and 22 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:39,000 I guess we can go and get right to the wheel. 23 00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:42,600 Yeah, well, let's go ahead and spin it. Let's see this wheel of 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,540 topics round and round it goes where it stops nobody knows what 25 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:48,120 we'll be talking about on Moe facts with that. I'm Kerry for 26 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,690 episode number 80. Well, Moe knows because he chose it for us 27 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:52,410 expertly 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,180 are dying because of misinformation. Yeah, 29 00:01:57,210 --> 00:02:00,120 people are dying because of misinformation. 30 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:05,370 Yes, information. Yes. Information. We're seeing huge 31 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:12,270 information platforms. Change hands. Yeah. It looks like one 32 00:02:12,270 --> 00:02:16,080 political party is on the full attack. Or even not even the 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,280 party is the the two wings right, the one we were talking 34 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:26,130 about before the pizza party, and Maga and there's a new wing, 35 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:29,370 I guess a magnet called Dark magazine. So we might even talk 36 00:02:29,370 --> 00:02:30,690 about that. But Well, I 37 00:02:30,690 --> 00:02:34,020 haven't heard of the official dark Maga wing. Oh, yeah. 38 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:38,220 I will say this caution. Whoever using that term. It could be 39 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:42,510 another light. You know, they may loop you into this. This is 40 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:44,790 saying that. You know how I feel about groups? Yeah, alert. 41 00:02:44,820 --> 00:02:47,790 Warning. Danger. Will Robinson pay attention. You never know 42 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:49,290 what could be you behind the curtain? 43 00:02:49,739 --> 00:02:52,919 Exactly. So I guess the main thing we got to get into with 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,509 Elon yay. 45 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:04,920 Tesla CEO Elon Musk has reached a deal to buy Twitter for about 46 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:08,490 $44 billion regulators and shareholders still need to 47 00:03:08,490 --> 00:03:12,300 approve the sale before it can go through. But Musk is on track 48 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:16,260 to own the social media giant sometime this year. So for more 49 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:19,680 than on the set we want to bring in Dan Patterson to join us to 50 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,290 give us a little more clarification. So Dan, great 51 00:03:22,290 --> 00:03:27,690 seeing you Twitter's sort of resisted Musk's earlier attempts 52 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:30,840 to buy the platform, though, I guess when no one else is asking 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,820 you to dance because I don't think there were any other 54 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:37,500 people. Nobody else knows why. It's hard to resist. What 55 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:39,990 happened? Why did things change? I didn't even know Twitter was 56 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:40,590 for sale. 57 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,060 It's good to see both look in a word money. So Twitter's board 58 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:52,650 and other executives close to the firm and appeared last week 59 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:56,700 to kind of rebuffed Musk's offer but that's what happens in 60 00:03:56,700 --> 00:04:01,050 public what happens in private, very different story. Look, 61 00:04:01,050 --> 00:04:03,480 there just wasn't competition. There weren't a lot of other 62 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,390 suitors here. There's talked for a brief period of time that 63 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:09,930 maybe Cisco would step in, or another very wealthy individual, 64 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,070 that all seemed to be a lot of noise. There just was no one 65 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:20,310 else with the capital and the desire to buy Twitter, like Elon 66 00:04:20,310 --> 00:04:24,090 Musk, much like the real world. When it comes to buying Twitter. 67 00:04:24,210 --> 00:04:26,520 Elon had very few peers. 68 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,890 Well, I'm not sure what would you like my opinion of Elon Musk 69 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:33,360 now or later? 70 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:36,720 I have to let people know I haven't listened to the no 71 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,590 agenda show just for this reason. So I don't know how you 72 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:44,700 feel about the whole Twitter thing. How it was received by 73 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:49,470 the you know, there's two wings. So this is all new to me. Oh, 74 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:49,710 good. 75 00:04:50,339 --> 00:04:53,129 Good. Well, because I have my story much tighter now. So good. 76 00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:57,420 All right. Um, what did you make of this purchase? 77 00:04:57,780 --> 00:05:00,630 Well, the purchase is not complete the Purchase will be 78 00:05:00,630 --> 00:05:05,160 complete has to be completed before October 24. And, and 79 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,190 that's what I find most interesting where there have 80 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:12,420 been seemingly some changes already to things happening or 81 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:15,690 people being let back on even though this is the purchase is 82 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:22,620 not done, there's a breakup fee on both sides. If Ilan can't, or 83 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:26,460 if he walks away, there's a billion dollar breakup fee, if 84 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:30,840 Twitter goes with another suitor, then they would also pay 85 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:36,570 a billion dollar breakup fee. So knowing how these things go, and 86 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:40,530 that now due diligence is taking place, I'm of the opinion that 87 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:45,720 all these extra followers people saw were bots that were let you 88 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:52,050 know Unvanquished on and on no unbanned in order to show in due 89 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:55,590 diligence that they have the number of users that they claim 90 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:58,950 they do. So I see that a lot more pragmatically now about 91 00:05:58,950 --> 00:06:01,470 Elon Musk himself have been very vocal, I think he's the Kim 92 00:06:01,470 --> 00:06:05,790 Kardashian of tech. He's not an inventor, he's not that 93 00:06:05,790 --> 00:06:10,290 brilliant. He does have a whole vibe, which works works really 94 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:12,840 well with money raising, and particularly when you're working 95 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,690 with government, all of his business is either subsidized 96 00:06:15,690 --> 00:06:20,040 directly or paid for through invoice by the by the US 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:27,750 government. He is Skylink is clearly a military project. So I 98 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:36,720 only see a game for him by having Twitter, not for the 99 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,940 advertising model that kind of is doing now poorly. But for the 100 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:45,270 value of of how he will fix Twitter, which is very simple. 101 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,950 He will force everyone to authenticate and verify 102 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:53,250 themselves with your driver's license, social security number, 103 00:06:53,250 --> 00:06:56,220 whatever will be required, you know, so called KYC know your 104 00:06:56,220 --> 00:07:01,140 customer. And that is how you combat bots. And that is how you 105 00:07:01,530 --> 00:07:05,400 at least bring a conversation back into civil discourse. 106 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:08,820 Because you know, if you slander someone, then your name is 107 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:11,820 known. And you can be reported and you can get into trouble. 108 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:15,270 Now this will and this was my prediction from early on, this 109 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:19,830 will ruin Twitter. So Elon Musk will ruin Twitter no matter 110 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:24,990 what. But the platform will become a part of the grid, that 111 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:28,980 that the US government is spinning around its citizens and 112 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:29,460 the globe. 113 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:37,380 I find it fascinating that the guy that the so called anti 114 00:07:37,380 --> 00:07:41,670 establishment party is going to save him is the guy that wanted 115 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:44,160 to put chips in your brain like that. And 116 00:07:44,159 --> 00:07:46,499 I didn't even get to that I didn't even get to that part. 117 00:07:47,220 --> 00:07:51,510 I'm just saying just notice how weird this is. They think the 118 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:55,680 Savior is the guy that wants to put a chip in your brain. Now he 119 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,030 says voluntarily but still, I found that fascinating. Yeah. 120 00:08:00,030 --> 00:08:03,270 Oh, that you know, the anti establishment party is looking 121 00:08:03,270 --> 00:08:06,780 for most are billionaire to save them. And that guy just so 122 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:11,220 happens I has, you know, the brain chips and 123 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:14,549 also predictive programming at play here Mo and you know, the 124 00:08:14,549 --> 00:08:18,629 whole Iron Man, the, you know, exactly our point here. You 125 00:08:18,629 --> 00:08:21,449 know, all of that is it's predictive programming. It feels 126 00:08:21,449 --> 00:08:25,589 good. It's enhanced. And it's, and I gotta tell you, there's 127 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:32,369 something magical about fame and power and certainly wealth. You 128 00:08:32,369 --> 00:08:34,499 know, he is touted as the richest man in the world. I'm 129 00:08:34,499 --> 00:08:38,309 not sure that's entirely true, but that's kind of how we seen 130 00:08:38,579 --> 00:08:43,019 and of course, and I'll tell you why I'm saying this because I 131 00:08:43,019 --> 00:08:47,909 was on the way to get a box fan at Walmart of all places. And as 132 00:08:47,909 --> 00:08:51,119 I'm driving Fox News, I usually scan between different things 133 00:08:51,119 --> 00:08:55,439 with Fox News cuts off Sheila Jackson Lee, which normally I'm 134 00:08:55,439 --> 00:08:57,989 like she does actually is pretty annoying. But you know, she was 135 00:08:57,989 --> 00:09:01,769 talking about some relevant stuff. And that could hurting 136 00:09:01,769 --> 00:09:04,919 her long Okay, we gotta go. We gotta go. Why? Because they had 137 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:08,939 to switch to Amber herds testimony against Johnny Depp. 138 00:09:09,359 --> 00:09:12,749 And, and but they went uninterrupted, no commercial. I 139 00:09:12,749 --> 00:09:17,369 sat in the parking lot for 20 minutes. And, and I'm and I'm 140 00:09:17,369 --> 00:09:21,089 sitting like, and I'm realizing that wow, this is incredible. 141 00:09:21,089 --> 00:09:25,049 Who gives a crap about these two people, compared to even Sheila 142 00:09:25,049 --> 00:09:29,069 Jackson Lee has something more relevant to a news channel. But 143 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:32,819 I also caught myself saying, this is riveting. I love 144 00:09:32,819 --> 00:09:36,809 listening to this. This is fantastic. They understand yes. 145 00:09:36,869 --> 00:09:40,169 And that it gets it and that's it. And that's what Elon Musk 146 00:09:40,169 --> 00:09:43,799 brings to the table. He brings some of that mystique that 147 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,809 anybody can get wrapped up in. 148 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,470 Right. So I guess let's go ahead. I'll unveil what I think 149 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:52,260 about the whole situation. But um, 150 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,750 oh, I got to do it in three minutes and you're gonna take 151 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,040 three hours with clips. Okay. All right. Way to go man. I 152 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,740 brought a knife. center a rubber knife and a compass to a 153 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:02,580 gunfight here. 154 00:10:02,610 --> 00:10:07,890 Let's see. So the funny thing I found out was that was on the 155 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:11,820 other side, that people this anti billionaire started begging 156 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:15,510 for this quote unquote white knight to come save the precious 157 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:18,300 Twitter. And it was so disgusting to hear these people 158 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:20,820 like, oh, there's gotta be somebody they've got, you know, 159 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:23,970 they were just just putting off kind of pressure. Yeah, I 160 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:26,820 thought who was stepping in? I'm just telling you who I thought 161 00:10:26,820 --> 00:10:32,010 man he stepped in is either the guy from the Mavs. Um, what is 162 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:35,070 the name? I just drew a blank. The player from the Mavericks? 163 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,890 No, no, no, no, no, the owner. Um, oh, Cuban, the Democratic 164 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:46,680 Trump Yeah. Cuban, democratic Trump. Um, so I thought he will 165 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,660 might step in. I don't think he has that kind of money, though. 166 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:51,990 But I thought he would be the perfect guy to step in. And one 167 00:10:51,990 --> 00:10:52,110 of 168 00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:57,600 the things that really irritates me, this makes no sense that no 169 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,120 one else is even making an offer. It would complete so many 170 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,930 businesses complete profile blinked in. I mean, there's so 171 00:11:06,930 --> 00:11:10,380 many different companies that would that would, they could 172 00:11:10,380 --> 00:11:13,170 totally make it work in their current business model. But no 173 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:15,300 one's stepping up. And that's telling to me. 174 00:11:15,750 --> 00:11:18,420 And let's just go ahead and get into number three. So we can 175 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:22,590 hear those people begging. This is Jim Cramer, wide range of 176 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:23,610 opinion about what's going on 177 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:28,410 right now. best and final means no negotiation. Well, Brad 178 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:33,210 Taylor represents the shareholders. You can't just 179 00:11:33,210 --> 00:11:36,780 say, hey, you know what, we'll take it. You can't that's not 180 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:39,180 fair to the shareholders. And I think we keep an all the 181 00:11:39,180 --> 00:11:42,270 coverage this morning. I have not heard about the shareholders 182 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:46,590 getting protection from Elon, he can steal the company, even if 183 00:11:46,590 --> 00:11:50,100 he has thinks he has a better idea that just get him to be 184 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,640 able to take the company. So I've left out is I'd like to ask 185 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,580 David, because I think this is really important, David, there's 186 00:11:56,580 --> 00:12:00,150 a fiduciary duty of the board. And they cannot abdicate just 187 00:12:00,150 --> 00:12:02,730 because they got the best and final deal. This is not a piece 188 00:12:02,730 --> 00:12:04,320 of real he's not buying a house here. 189 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:10,470 Jim, I think you're right on the key. The key question that's 190 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:12,510 come up any number of times already in the calls that I've 191 00:12:12,510 --> 00:12:15,450 had this morning, best and final, the use of that term, 192 00:12:15,450 --> 00:12:20,340 which we rarely, if ever see, certainly in an unsolicited bid 193 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:24,690 of this nature and the initial unsolicited bid. You use this 194 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:28,110 term in the UK and you're stuck with it. That's it. Here of 195 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:30,750 course, given its musk in particular, there is a level of 196 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:33,090 unpredictability that we all know is quite high. 197 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,540 Well, I don't think this board is taking that short term 198 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:41,370 review. By the way, David, if I were if I were advising the 199 00:12:41,370 --> 00:12:45,270 sport, I would say there may be personal liability if they agree 200 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:47,610 to this. This is one of those where they literally are not 201 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:50,430 doing their job. There's no fiduciary responsibility if they 202 00:12:50,430 --> 00:12:53,250 just say you know what, we take it, David that opens them up and 203 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:57,030 you remember, there are times when individual individual 204 00:12:57,030 --> 00:13:02,880 directors are opened up for a level of lack of fiduciary that 205 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,750 I think crosses the line this crosses the line. Yep. Hey Carl, 206 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,440 it's erratic it's erratic behavior. It's not what people 207 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,890 expect that serious board it's not a hack board. A lot of 208 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:16,140 people felt that he controlled his own board made me thinks 209 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:19,320 that that's what they've got here. They have no choice but to 210 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,340 reject it. I think they can say look we're open to all offers 211 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:27,300 but beyond that Quarrel if they say we accept their phony 212 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:34,950 Alright do you mean ever heard this this amount of begging when 213 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:40,680 we're asked to the bizarreness of it is that the money guys 214 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:44,880 don't want to make money every everybody stand like to walk out 215 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,760 missing and walk away from this deal like fat cats but it's HELL 216 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,440 NO IT'S THE GIFTS your gifts your you know basically morals 217 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,640 the sale to him don't make money in you just heard it with Jim 218 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,270 Cramer in 219 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:01,800 so right there you're seeing the different agendas one would be 220 00:14:02,190 --> 00:14:04,470 and that's all and I think this board is probably very 221 00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:10,350 political. I know a few people who are on the Twitter board and 222 00:14:10,590 --> 00:14:15,750 you know it is without a doubt the megaphone of the world is 223 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:18,390 where you can gain traction is where you can get where you can 224 00:14:18,390 --> 00:14:23,280 get stuff done where you can influence elections is all kinds 225 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,860 of stuff going on but that's why it's so truly unbelievable is 226 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:33,300 that as in I cannot I almost cannot believe that no one else 227 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:36,540 wanted to buy this for that reason and that reason alone 228 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,030 I don't think it's as valuable to them as it is to him. That's 229 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:44,370 why he put such a big number on it well because the way I look 230 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:48,030 at it is if they buy it, they're just gonna run it the same way 231 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:54,780 it is where him buying it. You know, he can take the counter 232 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:59,700 narrative you know, it's not Yeah, major one of their pieces 233 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:02,790 but it's not It worked for them to save it. Well, so we're 234 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:03,360 parallel. 235 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:06,630 So so I'm just going to state again, I don't believe that Elon 236 00:15:06,630 --> 00:15:10,380 Musk gives a crap what it's being used for. Other than you 237 00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:14,370 don't you don't think so? No, hate? No. I do not believe he is 238 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:17,940 Mr. Free Speech and I'm going to equalize the world. Oh, no, I 239 00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:20,040 don't believe that at all. And that's not his motivation. 240 00:15:20,070 --> 00:15:22,740 You got to make me see you got to make me jump out of order 241 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:26,040 just because of this. Um, let's go down to number five. Let me 242 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,210 explain. I think Twitter is the AP. Well, I agree with Twitter 243 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:34,800 is the news machine generates news. I agree. And he you now he 244 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:41,130 has his hand on that button to say, I could control what ever I 245 00:15:41,130 --> 00:15:45,570 want to be pushed. It's very so he can 246 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,540 me he can but I don't believe that's why he's buying it. 247 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:50,100 That's I don't think that's the reason. 248 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:53,370 I think that's exactly why he's buying it. And like I said, 249 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:57,300 there was no number big enough mining right now he when he goes 250 00:15:57,300 --> 00:16:00,840 to negotiate, like, Is Trump coming back? Yes or no, you 251 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,930 know, what can be talked about? And just think we got the whole 252 00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:07,350 COVID-19 thing. Nobody wants to talk about that. I've heard 253 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:12,000 nobody talk about once they let people get back on there, and it 254 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 will talk about COVID and could talk about it freely. Because 255 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,060 remember, that was the whole point of oh, man, if you know 256 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:18,930 Moe, he he 257 00:16:18,930 --> 00:16:22,380 will everyone will be will be allowed to speak freely, you 258 00:16:22,380 --> 00:16:27,030 will be able to say whatever you want. Anybody, Trump won't come 259 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:30,090 back, guaranteed he's not going to come back. He knows what's 260 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:33,630 up. He knows what this is about. He's not going to come 261 00:16:33,630 --> 00:16:35,880 back. You want to come back anyway. I mean, so I'm in 262 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,580 because it would kind of shoot is what he's trying to do in it. 263 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:39,420 That's, 264 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:42,720 as far as I'm concerned. That's a failed idea he has over there. 265 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,540 Yeah, I'm just saying he can't, you know, 266 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:50,070 failed. Now it failed. It failed. And he's incorrect. 267 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:56,820 Because look, Tina is she loves all this stuff. So she and she, 268 00:16:56,850 --> 00:17:01,740 she is my canary in the Twitter coal mine. And so she finally 269 00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:06,870 gets on to social. And she logs in, and then you know, and so 270 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:10,440 there's a lot of people on there, but it's still a problem, 271 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:14,400 onboarding, it's iOS only, etc, etc. Then I say so what do you 272 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,640 think says it's boring? I said, Why is it boring? So it's 273 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,470 because there's no no lib tardes to fight with? Exactly, exactly. 274 00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:30,030 know, I know that whole point of mourning. What I'm saying is, 275 00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:34,500 that will be allowed, but it's not going to be the same because 276 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:39,150 it will be mo fax and Twitter will know your real name, where 277 00:17:39,150 --> 00:17:46,530 you live, we'll know how to send lawsuits, tort, libel, slander, 278 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,130 all of that 279 00:17:47,189 --> 00:17:51,479 he is the ad that what he's got he is he's not I'm agree with 280 00:17:51,479 --> 00:17:55,349 you if he takes that model, because Twitter is not broken. 281 00:17:55,709 --> 00:17:58,289 That's the thing about it Twitter's not, it was not broke 282 00:17:58,289 --> 00:17:59,009 my literal 283 00:17:59,010 --> 00:18:03,570 words, Mo my literal words, he's going to break Twitter. That's 284 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,980 exactly what I say. 285 00:18:06,660 --> 00:18:12,150 If he does that, then he is not right at all. I mean, because it 286 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:15,540 works perfect. For the exact reason you said it's like the 287 00:18:15,540 --> 00:18:21,240 battleground is the turf, you know, in. If I'm thinking that 288 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,940 he's smarter than me, then I would say, okay, he understands 289 00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:31,530 like he controls all the knobs now, on what the conversations 290 00:18:31,530 --> 00:18:34,380 can be. And that's why everybody was losing the crap in the 291 00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:38,640 media, it was all about now is because let's go and go to the 292 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:42,480 number five, and listen to how the AP is structured. And then 293 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,810 we will probably better understand what how I see him 294 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:49,050 utilizing Twitter. Our reporters 295 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:52,440 are traditional reporters in the sense that they want to come up 296 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,620 with stories that a lot of people are going to read. But 297 00:18:55,620 --> 00:19:00,060 sometimes we're giving you stories that are important and 298 00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:04,980 and relevant, that aren't necessarily big traffic drivers. 299 00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:10,350 And so the reporters at AP I think have the have the have a 300 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:15,090 little bit of a barrier, a cushion between them. And you 301 00:19:15,090 --> 00:19:17,670 know, someone who's saying you need to come up with a bunch of 302 00:19:17,670 --> 00:19:23,670 stories that generate clicks or you know, you're out of here. I 303 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:27,720 think that's that's one way that we benefit from the AP structure 304 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,570 where we are providing news content to two clients like 305 00:19:33,690 --> 00:19:38,460 Yahoo News and The Huffington Post and others. It's, it's a 306 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:42,810 big sort of growing area of it's the fastest growing area of 307 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:48,630 revenue generation, for AP, the serving serving these digital 308 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:55,170 clients. So I think that that it helps that we are we are a b2b 309 00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:55,830 in that way. 310 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:03,930 Yep, that's Ha ha see him using Twitter is being interested in 311 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:06,930 putting the AP out of business, because he will be able to 312 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:10,890 control whatever stories surface. And by him being able 313 00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:14,640 to do that. Then he Okay, everybody has beholding to him. 314 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,880 You see, I'm saying 315 00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:22,650 I see what you're saying. I just have a different opinion. But 316 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:25,290 I'm open to listening to your argument. 317 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:29,310 Yeah, in look at all the political implications. So I 318 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:31,950 just wanted to lay that out. That's how I see him how he 319 00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:36,120 valued value the company, when he got his number. And I think 320 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,000 $44 billion, is kind of cheap to be able to control the 321 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,200 narrative. Because as we know, if we watch local news, that's 322 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,440 where the memes, make it, jump off the internet and make us a 323 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,390 local news. That's a successful rollout of a narrative. You 324 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:54,000 know, that's that's the goal to make it to the local news net, 325 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,350 30 minute block that they have an afternoon in the morning. And 326 00:20:58,350 --> 00:21:02,400 he controlled the source of what all you've been talking about 327 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,400 this how they only go on social media to look for stories to 328 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,690 talk about. And that's it. So he really controls I mean, the 329 00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:14,910 American media are good portion of it might sound hyperbolic 330 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:18,870 saying like what hyperbolic, but no. 331 00:21:19,770 --> 00:21:21,810 If if it was left the same? 332 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:25,860 Yeah, look at lives look at lives to tick tock. Oh, 333 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,000 right. Net right now Twitter controls, all messaging and all 334 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,780 memes. And we know this, we know that. Now, in hindsight, of 335 00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:36,810 course, we have confirmation that the Hunter Biden laptop was 336 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:41,910 real, and that contributed to an possibly the changing of an 337 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:44,190 outcome of a general election in the United States. So 338 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:47,280 absolutely, yes, that power? Well, he doesn't. So he doesn't 339 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,930 have it. He doesn't have. 340 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:53,700 Okay, if the deal closes. Now. Now, I'm with you on this. I'm 341 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:58,230 not, you know, hi. I'm very skeptical. I was kind of like, 342 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:02,430 was it? Brexit? And things like that? It's like, I won't believe 343 00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:04,980 it is you're saying that it's signed, sealed and delivered. 344 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:09,270 But I'm just saying what he how he valued the company. I think 345 00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:12,420 that's how you looked at it. Because if you can flip that 346 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:15,690 switch. I mean, we were just talking about pizza gate, what 347 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:19,620 it did for 2016. On the last show, right? I mean, we've you 348 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:24,960 let these memes really flow. It's very dangerous now. We're 349 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,500 going somewhere with this. So let's go ahead and get into for 350 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,830 stop it. We know Yeah, we stopped being Yeah, for just go 351 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:32,760 back to for now. 352 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,360 So Dan helped me understand what is Elon Musk's purchase of 353 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,360 Twitter mean for the platform? And, and, you know, it's 354 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,630 interesting to me, I know that there are people on there are 355 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:48,330 conservatives and Republicans who are celebrating this and 356 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:51,540 there are liberals and people on the left who are you know, 357 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:54,150 running around scared out of their minds about what this 358 00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:58,890 could potentially mean? I find that fascinating because, as as 359 00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:03,210 Kara Swisher pointed out on CBS mornings this morning, the 360 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:06,630 majority of people are not on Twitter. I as I've been saying 361 00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:10,950 for a long time now, I only know people that are in DC or in the 362 00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:15,510 media bubble or people who like to make a lot of noise that are 363 00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:18,660 on Twitter. I don't know anyone in my family. And I have a lot I 364 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:20,850 have teenage you know, my nephews or teen boys you know, 365 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:24,150 preteens and you know about to go to college. They're not on 366 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:28,230 Twitter. They think it's for old people and insiders. So So 367 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:30,900 explain to me the strategy here and why you see the 368 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,600 consternation or things liberation from some in the 369 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,290 political sphere. 370 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:39,300 But Twitter is for old people an insider's look, that's reality. 371 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:43,560 Twitter is not the largest social network in the world, but 372 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:47,640 it is, at least in our world, it's the most influential its 373 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,960 most important social network what Musk really bought was just 374 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,210 like we had a celebrity president now we have celebrity 375 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:58,560 CEOs, he really bought himself influence and power. So it 376 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,750 doesn't really matter that Twitter isn't the biggest social 377 00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:03,660 network in the world. That's not what the competition is the 378 00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:08,760 competition that Elon is in is for influence it's for power it 379 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:14,160 is to make himself the most buzzy CEO in the world and he 380 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,900 did that by buying Twitter. 381 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:21,480 Yeah, that seems to be a general consensus that he also he was 382 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,290 bored he had nothing to do he wanted to do that he put he put 383 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:30,840 some of his Tesla in some light to moderate risk by doing this 384 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,860 financing you know 385 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,430 not only that but this the reputation reputation right I 386 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:41,490 think it's if somebody you're saying comes out what another 387 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:45,450 Evie the government you know will be willing to work with him 388 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,860 more Elon? Yeah. Especially since he's an anti with anti 389 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:52,380 Tesla and who's gonna stand lit who's and it's all about 390 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:57,300 narrative, right? Well, look who makes your car but also, I think 391 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,970 he opens itself up to that. Also threat 392 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,710 The European Union is in the process, which you never know 393 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:07,050 exactly how it works. But it's I guess it's kind of already 394 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:11,190 there, the of passing the Digital Services Act, and they 395 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:14,490 have made very clear that Oh, under Elon Musk, don't worry, 396 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:17,160 man, we're gonna cut you off. There'll be no Twitter in Europe 397 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:21,660 if you don't follow our rules. So there's all kinds of things 398 00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:24,720 that are going to make life very difficult for him, which again, 399 00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:29,250 leads me to not believe that this is about a power play for 400 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:32,490 him. I have a clip that I did not that I played on no agenda, 401 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:36,570 John couldn't hear it. So I stopped it. I want to play it 402 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:39,930 for you see if you can hear this is Jack Dorsey was a big 403 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:44,010 conference, a Twitter conference. And he dials in Elon 404 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,690 on video conference. And first he makes a joke. Like if you use 405 00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:51,450 like he said, Hey, Elon, hey, Elon, how you do it? If you are 406 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:54,000 running Twitter, it says, Would you like to run Twitter? And you 407 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,450 have joke joke joke? Is this from 2017 or something or 2019? 408 00:25:57,450 --> 00:26:01,350 A couple of years ago, and then Elon is very clear what he would 409 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:05,070 do to fix Twitter. And hopefully, you'll be able to 410 00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:07,440 hear it, you might have to adjust your your Volume and 411 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,460 Volume stuff your ego 412 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,400 was given some direct feedback, pretty what are we doing? 413 00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:19,590 poorly? What can we be doing better? And what's your hope for 414 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,900 our potential as a as a service? 415 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:26,370 Can you hear that? Yeah, he's like, he basically wants to 416 00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:31,080 critique Yeah. Okay, here we go. You're running Twitter. By the 417 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,190 way, do you want to run Twitter? What would you do? 418 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:42,150 I think it'd be helpful to differentiate between real and 419 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,600 real diversified, like a real business, a real person, or a 420 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:56,490 botnet or a sort of troll army, or something like that. So maybe 421 00:26:56,490 --> 00:27:00,390 there's like you said, what are the comments from BCIT tell if 422 00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:04,830 the feedback is is real, or some of the time and a big system or 423 00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:08,160 probably will probably manipulate the system? So some 424 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:14,130 way to differentiate between? This is a real person versus a 425 00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:18,630 mistake, someone kind of just gave up in the system. 426 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:23,130 So I don't know if you could hear that. But what he keeps 427 00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:26,850 coming back to the same thing, who's real or not? Yeah, if you 428 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:32,970 his fix, and it's a real fix. It is, is to it? Look, Twitter 429 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:37,230 already has the verified badge, right. So now everybody will 430 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:40,830 have to be verified. And when you log in, you will have to 431 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:44,670 authenticate. And you'll have to authenticate in some manner that 432 00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:47,970 shows is not your secretary or your brother or you know, an 433 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:52,020 imposter. But it's really you and that will remove 95% Of all 434 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:56,850 the problems of Twitter. And I think it removes 85% of the fun. 435 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,600 I'll about saying that because if everybody gets a blue badge 436 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,590 then exactly what what good game is 437 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:08,250 over you remove the how do we get this blue check kicked off 438 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:09,870 Twitter? I mean, that's the game 439 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:14,640 that is the game or how do we how far how tough am how far can 440 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,050 I go? Exact right. But I think that 441 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,390 so let's but for purposes of your preparation, I'm willing to 442 00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:26,430 go with any theory at this pocket. 443 00:28:26,459 --> 00:28:31,469 Not so um, so I guess we need to get into the for a free speech. 444 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:34,350 Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes, there is almost no 445 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:37,680 more contested phrase in American and free speech. In 446 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,130 fact, freedom of speech has been well contested for millennia, 447 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:44,040 since the ancient Greeks first introduced the concept at least 448 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,610 in the Western canon 2500 years ago. And of course, the first 449 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:50,250 amendment to our Constitution protects freedom of speech, 450 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:53,940 freedom of the press, and in practice, well, it gets pretty 451 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:57,420 complicated. As legendary reporter ag Livelink wrote in 452 00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:59,970 the New Yorker 1960 quote, freedom of the press is 453 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:04,500 guaranteed only to those who own one pretty smart thing to say 454 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,860 it's carried on for decades, because we are now seeing that 455 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:13,770 exact principle play out before us. This act of desire to own a 456 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:17,550 press to control for the press, from some have the right to 457 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,310 control who gets to speak and how under the guise of free 458 00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:24,120 speech. That is what the celebration of billionaire Elon 459 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,070 Musk buying Twitter is all about. 460 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:31,560 Twitter, it's an Elon Musk's hands, can you believe it 461 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,370 count this one as a victory for free speech 462 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,430 and he may in fact save the town square that could turn out to be 463 00:29:38,430 --> 00:29:42,090 a pivot point in our history. Elon Musk believes in free 464 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:45,600 speech he thinks everyone should be allowed to talk people should 465 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,380 be free to say what they want to say without just been shut down, 466 00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:52,560 silenced and cancelled. Just because it doesn't fit what 467 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,790 their far left narrative. 468 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:57,360 They want everyone to be free to say what they want to say. Even 469 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880 if in the case of Donald Trump, they use the platform to incite 470 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,030 it. Have a riot like Trump did before yeah kicked off Twitter 471 00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:03,990 but okay, fine. 472 00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:09,720 Yeah, this I love I love all these examples and then this 473 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,540 Pooh poohing of the concept of free speech. I certainly left 474 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:19,290 leftist media is really funny. And then the the exuberance in 475 00:30:19,290 --> 00:30:24,540 the overjoyed nature of of right wing. Oh, it's Elon Samia Joe 476 00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:28,620 Rogan, we had an orgasm. He's like, Oh Elon, he's gonna save 477 00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:34,980 us like, oh my and, and Joseph buddy, I gotta call him out on 478 00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:36,900 that I gotta, I gotta call Joe 479 00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:42,990 is two camps on the and I'll just say the anti Democratic 480 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:48,870 side or anti liberal side is that one camp is just they're 481 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:54,180 happy to see Twitter not they're happy to see people so upset 482 00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:57,630 over the acquisition of Twitter or the potential acquisition of 483 00:30:57,630 --> 00:31:01,110 Twitter. And they don't really believe in Elon themselves. But 484 00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:01,950 it's like yes, 485 00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:04,710 they say oh, it's a part it's a part of the game it's like 486 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:08,520 you're playing Call of Duty and all sudden they changed the game 487 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,230 and your fate and your team's favor. 488 00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:16,170 Right and NASA exactly what the symbolism of it Sure. But that's 489 00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:19,470 what makes it even more more bizarre is the counter 490 00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:22,650 narratives that that people are going against their own talking 491 00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:27,780 points you know not everybody is ready to stop on a dime of 492 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:32,040 growing their own I'm gonna not say everybody but the people who 493 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,260 say Oh, we need to go build our own we need to have our own we 494 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:36,780 need to have our own space where we can say we want to say right 495 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:40,920 now to Elon, quote unquote captured that piece for them 496 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:42,690 they're ready let's run back to Twitter. 497 00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:50,280 Yeah, well the mastodon was up Mastodon usage increased a lot 498 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,390 with with a lot of a lot of people who are definitely 499 00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:59,340 leftist which is kind of fun. But you know, it's like, that 500 00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:03,930 was exactly what they scoffed at. With, with Maga. Yeah, I was 501 00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:07,530 like, we'll go build your own then you've fools. Go see if 502 00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:11,130 that works. And it doesn't it doesn't work. I mean, that's the 503 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,530 funny thing about it. It doesn't work it won't work for right it 504 00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:14,580 won't work for left. 505 00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:17,130 That's why I find it fascinating. The whole this 506 00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:20,700 whole thing so we got to keep keep the ball rolling. Alright, 507 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,440 we jumped over. We already did find the most important part 508 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,760 about Twitter, Black Twitter, we had to talk about it. This is 509 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,220 the this would show the real, how deep it went. Because like, 510 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:41,460 like, maybe an hour after the news broke. La Townes wrote an 511 00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:45,450 article talking about Elon Musk, Elon Musk, kill Black Twitter, 512 00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:49,650 you know, that kind of thing. And that let me know how 513 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:56,790 valuable this acquisition is our potential acquisition it to to 514 00:32:56,790 --> 00:33:04,920 the 2020 2024. You know, as you know, they build these political 515 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:11,130 campaigns out years and years in advance. Nobody accounted for 516 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,330 Twitter even being allowed to say some of the things that 517 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:18,450 black people have been saying this thing you thought Black 518 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:23,040 Twitter represented not I mean, like black thought, for the 519 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,280 average person when they went on Twitter before you met somebody 520 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,320 like me, because I'm not in Black Twitter. I was I will 521 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:31,590 never 522 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:34,470 let me be. I wasn't I wasn't getting any Black Twitter. The 523 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:37,140 algos were not showing it to me like skip this guy. 524 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:41,040 But you got a second or third hand so you will hear about it 525 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,280 Black Twitter in the mean of course. Yes. It was even more 526 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,770 sanitized. Yeah. True. So that's true. But that's everybody 527 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:54,120 thinks so first Okay. Let's go let's go back so we got Tiffany 528 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,210 cross here him and I'm using a lot of MSNBC personal reasons 529 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,050 MSNBC NBC, this the hardest, you know 530 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,820 the hardest for suckers. 531 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:11,070 They were really hurt. Yeah. Tiffany cross here with Michael 532 00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:15,570 Harriet. On where he's white white people ologists on 533 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:16,050 literally 534 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,600 white people ology Raymond, who's 535 00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:25,620 that why people ologists PRP, we go to his own website website. 536 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:31,680 It's Michael airy, H A. R R i OT. Michael Harry. You think I'm 537 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,520 kidding? And he said the definition is a professional who 538 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,630 has specialized specialized knowledge in the field of Oh, 539 00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:40,050 yeah, it's 540 00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:44,910 a world renowned white pathologist. Right. What is the 541 00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:46,530 word? See what is this? 542 00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:51,930 People People ologists I mean, why might be apologist white 543 00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:52,830 people? Well, it's 544 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:56,610 it's slang. Yeah, it's slang. It's not Yeah, it's a black 545 00:34:56,610 --> 00:35:00,870 person. Yeah, black person who studies white people. or white? 546 00:35:00,870 --> 00:35:01,740 Yeah, yeah, like, 547 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,220 official definition on the website, I had to set this up 548 00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:09,480 because so you can hear what you're hearing, who has 549 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:12,390 specialized knowledge in the field of Caucasian culture, 550 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:15,660 including the political, economic and social habits of 551 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:16,800 white people in their history? 552 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,710 I'm glad he knows me. So well, I can't I can't wait to hear what 553 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:21,810 he makes me. Number six. 554 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,539 Talk to me about what you think this means for Blackstone are 555 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,179 now that Elon Musk has taken over the platform? 556 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:30,360 Well, you know, I guess we'll wait to see because we kind of 557 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,680 don't even know if Elon Musk will really purchase Twitter I'm 558 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,240 in. Like, we were talking about like Twitter and social media. 559 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:42,720 In general, we have to remember that it's not just like, black 560 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,240 people are cool. And that's why they went Twitter. You know, 561 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,910 first of all, like, black people will hold three of the nine 562 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,420 patents that created the personal computer and the cell 563 00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:57,390 phone. And so like, our intellectual property, is what 564 00:35:57,390 --> 00:36:03,150 drives these, you know, biases and the phenomenon of cultural 565 00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:09,750 media. And I don't think that's that Elon Musk can stop that, 566 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:14,160 because he needs those black voices, Twitter dozers high 567 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:17,610 without us right, and, and they hire black creators to kind of 568 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:21,840 drive it toward. So they know that the valuation of their 569 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,720 company because you know, we can get into a conversation about 570 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:27,090 how the valuation of all of these companies, yes. 571 00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:30,810 Did he say that Twitter was hiring black creators? Yes. 572 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:36,600 Just to kind of drive it toward. So they know that the valuation 573 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,950 of their company because you know, 574 00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:43,260 hey, yes, Where's our money? Where's our check? Twitter? 575 00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:48,960 No, no, no, no. No, never ever be clear. 576 00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:53,160 I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You're just messing 577 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,640 realization 578 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,210 about how the valuation of all these companies, yes, some 579 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:58,080 imaginary numbers. 580 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,139 I say you're worth 3 million, you know, yeah. But 581 00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:06,660 if it is worth something, yeah, then it is because of the Black 582 00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:09,930 Twitter are the black voices that drive social media? 583 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,090 Yeah. And you know, there are other communities on Twitter 584 00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:16,320 also, like the trans community, on Latino community on Twitter, 585 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:18,600 a lot of different communities on Twitter trying to, you know, 586 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,740 create movements there. 587 00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:24,210 You always got to tie back in and that goes to show you, 588 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:28,140 wherever Black Twitter goes, all those groups that you listed 589 00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:31,050 after it, there's like that Black Twitter, the mama duck. 590 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:35,580 Yeah. And all the other little groups, the trans, every other 591 00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:40,140 group like that has to stay. They have to all work together. 592 00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:43,470 Because the foul of quote unquote Black Twitter, 593 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,040 that's why I'm working as 80 episodes already. I've been 594 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,220 working with you. My only mission is to get Black Twitter 595 00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:53,460 to podcasting. 2.0 That's all I'm in it for mo 596 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,040 as you heard him say they hire people Twitter hire bait. No, 597 00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:06,870 yes. Sadly, sadly, we don't have any money to hire anybody. And 598 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:13,020 just think I mean, you are what we do is not taking one side or 599 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:15,600 the other, that'll never be popular, no matter what the 600 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:22,140 platform is. True. This like now, half the people are upset 601 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:25,230 because you're not you're saying taken out of the hopium Oh, 602 00:38:25,230 --> 00:38:28,440 Elon, by on Twitter, you know, and then the other half maybe 603 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,250 like, you know, it's not, you know, um, it's, 604 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:35,160 it's really, it's really interesting in the past two and 605 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,580 a half years, because I do think I'm pretty much I mean, I, my 606 00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:42,690 personal thinking is more conservative than liberal. But, 607 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,930 you know, I can I can objectively view things. It's 608 00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:50,370 just, it's so often so obvious, where we're where things are, 609 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,150 where the right side is. But when it gets personal to 610 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:56,760 someone, everyone's always laughing until it gets personal. 611 00:38:57,420 --> 00:39:00,930 Yeah, so everybody was everyone laughs about all the jokes and 612 00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:04,140 COVID and everything, but then all of a sudden, if it's about 613 00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:07,470 Ukraine, and I'm saying, Yeah, okay, we've seen this movie 614 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:10,470 before, you know, in fact, literally, we I saw this in the 615 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,860 video game and you know, not all not all of this is real, then 616 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:16,530 people are like, wait a minute, I'm in Finland, this is pretty 617 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:19,620 close by you know, Russia is right here. And you guys just 618 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:23,820 not funny, man. That's not so I'm used to that. That's how it 619 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:28,170 goes. But luckily, a mature adult people cool down and come 620 00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:28,530 back. 621 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:34,920 And that's no place for Twitter. because Twitter is the bar you 622 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,890 know, you go like you always wonder why all the games with 623 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:42,060 that one bar. It's like, have a bar fight. It's like that's why 624 00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:47,010 you go there. It's 10 o'clock. Yes, that's you want to go get 625 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:51,150 some scalps you know, and that's that's both sides that you know, 626 00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:54,480 the screenshot or somebody blocking you or you know, that 627 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,110 kind of thing just just to even say goes and now vernacular. 628 00:39:58,110 --> 00:39:59,430 It's it's a 629 00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:05,280 super are fun game. It really is I and my wife, she's good at it. 630 00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:08,190 I love watching her play the game. And she knows she's 631 00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:08,970 playing the game. 632 00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:13,830 Especially when you get one hooked. When you get one hooked 633 00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:20,790 for years, I wasn't. I wasn't like back in, like 23 634 00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:22,770 Super troll. 635 00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:27,360 I was super troll so when you get one hook, it's no rush like 636 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:33,000 it to see how many replies you can get out. Understand, 637 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,180 troll mo I had no idea. 638 00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:39,870 But that's why Trump did it. Right. You know, just this is 639 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:42,810 what this screenshot is this is what the you know, what they 640 00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:44,280 call quote unquote, the clap back, 641 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,470 which is why I can't understand why Trump doesn't see that this 642 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:54,270 is a failed idea. A true social. 643 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:57,990 No, that's that's the layer. That's that's where you go and 644 00:40:57,990 --> 00:41:00,420 compare scouts. Yeah. Yeah, 645 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:03,930 but it's good. It's not it's not what he wants. Yeah, I 646 00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,930 understand is that but you know, yes, exactly what you know, you 647 00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:10,890 can go back to 4chan or Mastodon or whatever, you know, there's a 648 00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:13,500 lot of places you can go and look at your scalps but the 649 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,950 scalp look in places not where the action is, and troll Trump's 650 00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:19,710 needs. He needs the action. And that's never gonna get him the 651 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,440 action that that he wants. That he 652 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,360 will never be the bar. No, no, no, yeah, you can never go back. 653 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,230 So I mean, that's where these little pocket things are going 654 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:34,620 to be your true social, where you can go back and show off 655 00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:38,610 your where's my Oh, God, blah, you know, saying true social, we 656 00:41:38,610 --> 00:41:41,820 know that kind of thing. And then you come back to Twitter. 657 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,840 And then the great thing about it is now we you can, if he buys 658 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,470 it, and he used it option, well, we might ban you when not 659 00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:52,080 forever. So let's count now. It's like it's like a prison 660 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:52,440 sentence. 661 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:58,410 Yeah. You get an extra life. You get an extra life you can 662 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:02,040 reread. That's right. That's what it is. Yeah, sure. I can 663 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,110 see all that. Yeah, totally. But 664 00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:09,540 no, that's it. So well. Now we got to get into the background 665 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:14,970 of what Black Twitter is because like I said, I've never my brand 666 00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:19,200 of thinking is not welcomed there. For various reasons. And 667 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,870 it's a very you have this was just go ahead and get two 668 00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:29,730 witnesses, I think from PBS. Say it loud. And this is the reason 669 00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:32,460 why hashtag Black Twitter exists. And it's totally 670 00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:32,940 awesome. 671 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,800 Alright, everybody, we just heard what happened. And we have 672 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,310 a 62nd window to react before another thing happens in the 673 00:42:41,310 --> 00:42:46,740 news. You create a hashtag that is scathing, culturally relevant 674 00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:51,270 and hilarious all at the same time. You remix the footage so 675 00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:54,090 that it becomes a meme reference more than the original source 676 00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:58,620 material. You patrol all news outlets so that when they speak 677 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:04,410 of this day, they call us by name, and you get someone fired. 678 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:09,179 You someone like, like shake it on LinkedIn, you know, I fire 679 00:43:09,179 --> 00:43:13,799 me. Luck. We'll give you a quick rundown. But we're not here to 680 00:43:13,799 --> 00:43:16,319 convince anyone that Black Twitter exists if you know, you 681 00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:16,649 know, 682 00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:20,490 we want to explore why it exists. And what happens both 683 00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:25,860 online and IRL. When culture and connectivity collide. Stay well. 684 00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:34,530 As far as black, Twitter's origins go. Here's what we 685 00:43:34,530 --> 00:43:39,090 found. In February 2009, about three years after the platform's 686 00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:42,690 creation, the term first appeared in Google search volume 687 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,710 index. That just means that someone somewhere try looking it 688 00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:50,070 up enough times that Google started tracking that particular 689 00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:50,640 search. 690 00:43:50,939 --> 00:43:54,299 And October 2009, Pew Research Center reported that black 691 00:43:54,299 --> 00:43:57,149 Americans use Twitter more than the other demographics polled. 692 00:43:57,509 --> 00:44:02,309 And in November 2009, writer Cory SICA published a short blog 693 00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:05,159 post titled, What were black people talking about on Twitter 694 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,669 last night, in it, he revealed his obsession with the unique 695 00:44:08,669 --> 00:44:10,889 way black users use hash obsession. 696 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:20,310 Obsession. And I've always stated that I think we're the 697 00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:25,170 that's the that the real value that we bring to America is the 698 00:44:25,170 --> 00:44:29,220 our influence on culture. I mean, you hear in music, you 699 00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:31,890 hear you see it, you're saying you see hands down, hands down, 700 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:36,300 hands down, no argument. So that you take that and you can weapon 701 00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,710 around, weaponize that around or utilize that around a hashtag 702 00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:45,210 look at a Das. I mean, we're not talking about a das always have 703 00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:51,060 to let people know that hashtag and the power that it had and 704 00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:54,840 seeing the Democratic Party's stamp. 705 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:58,140 It was so powerful. It was so powerful they had to classify it 706 00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,340 as Russian bots 707 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:05,370 and Master fear. And this is the fear that you hear from who was 708 00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:10,380 that? Tiffany? Tiffany cross and Michael Harriet, right? This is 709 00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:14,640 the fear, like, Oh, now we can't, we can't silence all the 710 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,800 black people, just like, you know, if you want a real cross 711 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,670 section of, quote unquote, blackness, YouTube is a far 712 00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:27,510 better source than Twitter. Because they control what 713 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:31,200 hashtags and I've seen it, I've seen hashtags be suppressed, and 714 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,220 I've seen them be amplified. Um, and this is a great control 715 00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:38,160 mechanism, when you talk about activating going back to 716 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,640 politics, to activate, you know, look at Black Lives Matter. And 717 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:47,100 that was a hashtag. And what, correct me if I'm wrong, but did 718 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:49,110 hashtags exist before Twitter? 719 00:45:49,590 --> 00:45:54,660 No hashtags were a, excuse me, I follow this very closely. 720 00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:58,440 Because I was there. Hashtags were an invention by the users 721 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,930 of Twitter. And they just kept doing, you know, hash mark, 722 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:09,540 which I'm not quite sure who coined the term hashtag. And 723 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:11,790 that was just something users were doing. And then Twitter, 724 00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:15,540 finally, I was like, it was too easy. Well, two years into it. 725 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:19,020 And people were taking big ownership of the platform. This 726 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:21,870 is the genesis of Twitter, which is not often discussed, but it 727 00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:26,220 was very open, any developer could go in and create an app or 728 00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:29,550 create a different version, or, you know, you had these 729 00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:33,510 scheduling things, which you can still use today. But you could 730 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,440 view Twitter in a different way. Just up there was really an 731 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,650 interesting platform. So people took ownership. And then when 732 00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:43,530 the hashtag was finally recognized by and by Twitter, 733 00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:47,790 itself, and then they made it searchable by hashtag, etc. That 734 00:46:47,790 --> 00:46:51,960 was, you know, that was kind of a very cool community thing that 735 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:55,530 that Twitter had done, recognizing that the users had 736 00:46:55,530 --> 00:46:59,760 contributed to the platform and built that out. It was it was 737 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,750 quite astonishing. 738 00:47:01,739 --> 00:47:08,579 And it's still and you got to remember, like, how, like, old I 739 00:47:08,579 --> 00:47:12,389 am, in a way, but I look at the hair segments to see pounce on, 740 00:47:12,659 --> 00:47:17,459 of course, kids or young adults. Now understand that, like, I 741 00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:19,769 mean, because like that was one of the symbols on the phone. 742 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,600 Yes. Bottom Right. Bottom Right. touchtone pad. Yeah. So 743 00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:29,129 how engravement is we talk about memes and you know, symbolism 744 00:47:29,549 --> 00:47:31,679 that, you know, that's ingrained in us. So, 745 00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:35,849 there were there were jokes at the time, I recall, comedians 746 00:47:35,849 --> 00:47:39,179 making jokes about you know, how the pound sign had been 747 00:47:39,179 --> 00:47:42,629 transformed to the hashtag. Yeah, I can't tell any of the 748 00:47:42,629 --> 00:47:49,739 jokes. But that's how culturally significant it was this change 749 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:51,119 was created 750 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,139 this and for they're saying the quote unquote, black community, 751 00:47:55,619 --> 00:47:59,699 and it allowed what they call C, Black Twitter is not a place. 752 00:48:00,209 --> 00:48:03,989 It's not really a thing. It's like an energy. You're saying, 753 00:48:03,989 --> 00:48:07,259 like something's going on. Everybody is kind of like, what 754 00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:11,579 versus what you remember versus Of course, not everybody was 755 00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:14,639 locked in and it was COVID. They said, Okay, let's take some of 756 00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:19,109 our older black celebrities and let them have like a competition 757 00:48:19,439 --> 00:48:24,539 and how natural it was. No, nobody said okay, no big rollout 758 00:48:24,539 --> 00:48:27,899 for versus yesterday, you don't television shows or, you know, 759 00:48:28,289 --> 00:48:31,739 TV ads, radio ads, it was just kind of like oh, it's the thing. 760 00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:32,849 Oh, well, 761 00:48:33,389 --> 00:48:39,599 if I may analyze from afar black America has always communicated 762 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:43,889 through media and hip hop of course you know that that was 763 00:48:43,889 --> 00:48:48,179 black CNN and it was obvious to you know, MTV played a role in 764 00:48:48,179 --> 00:48:52,499 that but really it was it was more the the original rap 765 00:48:52,499 --> 00:48:58,199 battles on the street. It was cassette tapes passing around 766 00:48:58,349 --> 00:49:01,979 playing the shit loud in the car. You know, gang culture 767 00:49:01,979 --> 00:49:06,509 plays into that but but communication since it's always 768 00:49:06,509 --> 00:49:10,649 been underrepresented in the media landscape communication 769 00:49:10,649 --> 00:49:13,769 has always gone to self invented means 770 00:49:15,659 --> 00:49:17,249 existing infrastructure 771 00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:21,720 yes yeah, whatever there is. Yes, exactly. You party lot from 772 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,100 party lines. Yeah, I know. I know 773 00:49:26,099 --> 00:49:29,519 this really well. It will mix the two together will you put 774 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,579 the telephone with the radio yeah that way to call us to call 775 00:49:32,579 --> 00:49:34,499 me and get you know get the response. Oh my 776 00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,530 god Saturday night or Friday night everyone listening in 777 00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:43,830 their car as like hot 97 equal How you doing? You know and we 778 00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:47,280 had this out here. It's totally it's it would total feedback 779 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,080 loop very even a shout out. Shout out. The term shout out by 780 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,210 itself was invented during the was popularized during the area 781 00:49:57,270 --> 00:50:01,170 era of Arsenio Hall, I think, right Shout outs and in the 782 00:50:01,170 --> 00:50:04,260 house, these types of things. 783 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,610 So that's this Black Twitter, people may say, oh, what? Blah, 784 00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:12,660 no, Autodesk, just it's not not to put no. Because if you run 785 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:16,830 afoul of that energy, you can get cancelled very fast. That's 786 00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:20,100 why George Floyd was such a thing. Because you have this 787 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:24,300 image, you had this video. And then they were able to, you 788 00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:28,290 know, channeled that energy successfully. And they ran into 789 00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:31,230 the hashtag Black Lives Matter. You know, that hashtag was 790 00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:34,470 sitting there kind of dormant in the in between time, but that 791 00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:36,900 getting that energy that was got behind the whole George Floyd 792 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:39,600 thing was channeled through Black Lives Matter and gave it 793 00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:46,290 life again. So if don't become a hashtag, that's the thing. Like, 794 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:50,640 do not become a hashtag. So I guess we're going to move to 795 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,560 part two, and I'm okay, that's that's how I think we stopped it 796 00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:56,190 not. 797 00:50:56,310 --> 00:50:59,340 That was eight. Yeah, so Dude, this is part two of the PBS The 798 00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:01,470 reason Black Twitter exists. Okay, let's go and get into 799 00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:02,400 that. The following 800 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,450 year, articles from Slate, the route with alternating opinions, 801 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,830 Gawker and NPR all take notice of this phenomenon. Across the 802 00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:14,850 platform, about 500 million tweets are fired off per day. So 803 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,670 how do individual black people come together to form Black 804 00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:22,260 Twitter, hashtags. That's what made Black Twitter so innovative 805 00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:26,280 and disruptive, its members used hashtags to talk about seemingly 806 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,450 random, regular, not time sensitive stuff, with such 807 00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:33,930 veracity that it would trend since that original Pew Research 808 00:51:33,930 --> 00:51:37,590 Center study in 2009, more people have researched what 809 00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:40,620 makes the internet such an active place for black folks 810 00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:44,129 oftentimes say that, you know, in my sort of research and 811 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,349 looking at Black Twitter and young people's use of Twitter, 812 00:51:46,709 --> 00:51:51,299 that they move from kind of power users to powerful users, 813 00:51:51,299 --> 00:51:54,359 right and power users, right? Or are people who might use Twitter 814 00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:57,119 right at an exceptional rate compared to other populations or 815 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,299 segments of the population. But powerful is something different, 816 00:52:00,299 --> 00:52:03,119 right powerful and sort of using it in a way to have social 817 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,699 impact. And so in that sense, I think as people began to 818 00:52:05,699 --> 00:52:08,789 understand the potential that social media provides in terms 819 00:52:08,789 --> 00:52:12,509 of a tool for connecting the two for building a tool for 820 00:52:12,509 --> 00:52:15,299 communicating that to for organizing, that they're 821 00:52:15,299 --> 00:52:18,269 beginning to understand right, how to be powerful, and not just 822 00:52:18,269 --> 00:52:20,519 power in terms of how they use the technology, 823 00:52:20,849 --> 00:52:24,419 trending topics, were usually about current events. But you 824 00:52:24,419 --> 00:52:28,169 know, you're black. If Black Moms be like and late night, you 825 00:52:28,169 --> 00:52:30,719 ain't hitting it right that Corey referenced in his piece. 826 00:52:30,989 --> 00:52:34,139 Were all forms of storytelling as opposed to updates. 827 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,610 Okay, so that's, that's the hashtag. And 828 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:40,800 that's a pretty good explanation, actually, that's 829 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,240 well done PBS surprise, 830 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,609 now know what that was a good one, I found, you know, not to 831 00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:48,449 be cringy. But of course, they had to stay with once again, 832 00:52:48,479 --> 00:52:54,629 that's why you hear, you have to stay on message. Because I've 833 00:52:54,629 --> 00:52:59,759 said this, a lot of times the conservative they are, their 834 00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:03,149 party is created around principles and morals and that 835 00:53:03,149 --> 00:53:07,979 kind of thing. The Liberals is more of a coalition of different 836 00:53:08,009 --> 00:53:11,699 agendas, and they can step on each other's toes, that's, this 837 00:53:11,699 --> 00:53:15,779 is the language that you hear of black and brown, or when they 838 00:53:15,779 --> 00:53:19,259 say black, they had to come back with the LGBT trends. It's like, 839 00:53:19,259 --> 00:53:22,379 you gotta give a shout out to the other groups. Because if you 840 00:53:22,379 --> 00:53:26,999 don't know you, this is where you see kind of people, you 841 00:53:26,999 --> 00:53:32,489 know, looking to, you know, make sure their their agendas or read 842 00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:37,229 or their hashtags are read. So I guess we can go ahead and get 843 00:53:37,229 --> 00:53:39,539 into not a, 844 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,220 I have to say, like black sweater is probably the most 845 00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:47,940 robust in terms of engagement. And it's something that so many 846 00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:50,160 people have asked me about, what is black sweater wears black 847 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,940 sweater? If you don't know, it's not for you, probably. But I'll 848 00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:57,060 ask you this, though. Because I know you're saying like, we 849 00:53:57,060 --> 00:54:00,660 can't leave, or we shouldn't leave, because that's where we 850 00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:05,190 create change. But I we could go to other platforms to do that. 851 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:08,400 Because I think if he brings opens this platform up to other 852 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,640 people, you know, do you want to be entertainment for the white 853 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,860 supremacists that are going to flood this platform? Again, if 854 00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:17,790 he's going under free speech, as he suggests, I can't believe 855 00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:20,850 what we should be because because because first of all, 856 00:54:21,450 --> 00:54:22,680 there are a number 857 00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:29,100 this where's this from? This is from MSNBC. 858 00:54:29,729 --> 00:54:33,539 It does pretty unbelievable to say, hey, you know, Elon Musk, 859 00:54:33,539 --> 00:54:37,769 you know, I mean, what's implied what she's saying is, clearly 860 00:54:37,769 --> 00:54:41,429 his skin is fair complexion. So that means it's got to be white 861 00:54:41,429 --> 00:54:42,809 supremacist. He's bringing it in. 862 00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:48,300 I mean, he's, he's the great liberator of white supremacy, 863 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,450 right supremacist trolls 864 00:54:51,449 --> 00:54:54,569 everywhere. Well, that's so racist laid at 865 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,870 the premises that are going to flood this platform. Going under 866 00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:59,430 free speech, as you suggest, well, 867 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:01,800 I'm not saying No, we can't leave or we should be because 868 00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:08,760 because because there are a number of this Black Planet, 869 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:09,150 right? I 870 00:55:09,149 --> 00:55:12,329 got on Black Planet because you said you tweeted the answer is 871 00:55:12,329 --> 00:55:15,299 Black Planet. This is the most unlikely comeback, but I thought 872 00:55:15,299 --> 00:55:15,809 what happened? 873 00:55:18,329 --> 00:55:22,679 You know, Isaac Hayes the third has a whole platform that pays 874 00:55:22,709 --> 00:55:25,829 Wow, black creators, right? So so there are a number of 875 00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:28,109 platforms like it's not like black people are out here just 876 00:55:28,109 --> 00:55:30,869 tweeting and saying we're gonna create our own, we're creating 877 00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:36,299 our own. And, and so we can feed that because where we go is 878 00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:41,219 where people will go, you know, whether it's music or TV, or all 879 00:55:41,219 --> 00:55:44,789 parts of the culture. Yeah. So I don't think that we are like, 880 00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:48,809 held hostage by Twitter, right. It's just the most popular black 881 00:55:48,869 --> 00:55:51,989 platform, but when we go will be the most popular plan. Yeah. 882 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,440 Okay. So this is very interesting. I was unaware of 883 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,150 Black Planet, and I'm seeing it now. 884 00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:03,780 Black Panther planets. Oh, that's this. But maybe my late 885 00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:05,220 20s Yeah, 886 00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:08,520 but there's a says right here rebooting why re three 887 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,790 emergencies. Yeah, there why reboot Black Planet now is 888 00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:14,040 rebooting because we recognize that this moment is an 889 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,600 opportunity to come together. So 890 00:56:16,829 --> 00:56:19,379 it wouldn't ever happen. Well, he can't take your blue chip 891 00:56:19,379 --> 00:56:19,739 with you. 892 00:56:20,429 --> 00:56:23,309 Well, that was what I was going to ask intuitively, I'm like, 893 00:56:23,309 --> 00:56:27,389 Nope, that's not going to work. I can't explain why. But is 894 00:56:27,389 --> 00:56:33,989 there it feels to me like there's the Black Twitter works 895 00:56:33,989 --> 00:56:39,059 because of some certain confluence of features that make 896 00:56:39,059 --> 00:56:42,449 it work. And I think we could probably define what that is. 897 00:56:43,229 --> 00:56:48,449 Hashtag being very important part of it. Why is it possible 898 00:56:48,449 --> 00:56:55,409 at all, in your professional opinion? As a person of color? I 899 00:56:55,409 --> 00:56:59,699 can't even say it was a straight new comb. I tried to say it with 900 00:56:59,699 --> 00:57:05,609 a straight face. What do you think? Is it possible? I mean, 901 00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,969 first of all, this, I know, many people have tried with, you 902 00:57:08,969 --> 00:57:11,999 know, certainly YouTube, you know, Odyssey they're paying 903 00:57:11,999 --> 00:57:17,879 black creators, ultimately, it has to, it has to really, it 904 00:57:17,879 --> 00:57:21,329 feels like has to be a grassroots, it has to be a thing 905 00:57:21,329 --> 00:57:25,499 that, that just, you can't build this type of thing and say, Oh, 906 00:57:25,499 --> 00:57:28,649 this is what black people will need. As far as I don't know why 907 00:57:28,649 --> 00:57:29,429 that is. But 908 00:57:29,429 --> 00:57:33,509 it is like when tennis shoes, anybody can make a sneaker 909 00:57:33,539 --> 00:57:38,369 right? You go. But Nike will always be Nike because the brand 910 00:57:38,369 --> 00:57:42,449 and and then it holds. And you can't blue, check that blue 911 00:57:42,449 --> 00:57:46,559 bird. When you for the people that's talking here for that 912 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:51,119 class. Having that blue check, is them saying they making it 913 00:57:51,149 --> 00:57:54,779 that's the the crowning achievement of them. And these 914 00:57:54,779 --> 00:57:57,629 two things that you didn't point out in that clip, she said, 915 00:57:57,629 --> 00:58:01,889 we're going to become entertainment for white trolls. 916 00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:06,029 Her biggest fear is being ridiculed. And this is this, 917 00:58:06,029 --> 00:58:09,209 this is why these people don't represent, quote unquote, black 918 00:58:09,209 --> 00:58:13,469 people, because they want to be in a safe space, where they can 919 00:58:13,469 --> 00:58:18,569 throw things over the wall and not pressure back. Where you 920 00:58:18,569 --> 00:58:23,249 know, if you stood on facts, instead of talking points, it 921 00:58:23,249 --> 00:58:26,369 wouldn't be an issue because you're saying your your story or 922 00:58:26,369 --> 00:58:27,719 your narrative will be 923 00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:31,020 airtight. Okay, so I just need to ask you a couple questions. I 924 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:34,680 think I know the answer. So without a doubt, for Black 925 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:40,710 Twitter, maybe for all black American media, communications, 926 00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:47,160 all inter for black communications, because that's 927 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,510 really what we're talking about, is how black America has. It's 928 00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:54,180 always been through gospel, it's been through blues, it's been 929 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:57,210 through it, you know, predominantly music through, you 930 00:58:57,210 --> 00:59:02,220 know, old, spiritual, you know, the whole thing. There has to 931 00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:06,750 be, I believe, an element of danger for it to work. And the 932 00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:09,780 danger can be on one hand, you know, we're going to, we're 933 00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,800 going to lynch you, sorry to use trauma based entertainment. But 934 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,320 then there's the digital lynching, which is we know, we 935 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,710 kick you off, Twitter cancelling, cancelling. So I 936 00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:23,730 believe that that that in order for the community, but it's the 937 00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:27,930 same with hip hop, you know, it's just like, you push the you 938 00:59:27,930 --> 00:59:30,540 push the edge, you push the edge, you push the edge until, 939 00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:33,810 you know, so that so that you still are on the radio, and you 940 00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:36,810 don't get banned from the radio? And do you think that that's 941 00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:37,230 true? 942 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:42,120 Yeah, it has to be some kind of and this is why these apps speak 943 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:46,230 specifically about the the professional, black, Twitter's 944 00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:50,160 and the super users and I think on power users, they don't 945 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,490 understand like you've been cradled by the establishment. 946 00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:57,960 You know, you don't want you notice, nobody wants to smoke 947 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,580 with me. And I'm not saying that like that because people don't 948 01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:07,230 think like me, because we're based on facts, and you'll get 949 01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:10,500 roasted. So it's like, no, we want to stay in our little safe 950 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:13,740 space right here. But we want to be provocative at the same time. 951 01:00:13,770 --> 01:00:17,550 It's this weird thing. They want to be safely provocative. Right? 952 01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:21,240 You know, you can't punch me back pain and put on the kid 953 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,660 gloves. But interesting. I can. I can throw haymakers at you. 954 01:00:25,110 --> 01:00:28,440 And that's why you heard her say we will become entertainment for 955 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,660 them. But she but they don't want they don't want a fair 956 01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:31,710 fight but she's not 957 01:00:31,709 --> 01:00:34,139 Black Twitter. Yo, she is. 958 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:40,919 She see what how can I explain it? Black Twitter is the 959 01:00:40,919 --> 01:00:46,979 accepted blackness by the nurse and tech industry. That 960 01:00:47,189 --> 01:00:51,959 technical techno please. Okay. All right. You know, what I'm 961 01:00:51,959 --> 01:00:55,319 saying? is not going to ever make it the Black Twitter a Das. 962 01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:59,969 You saw what they did to them. Come step up radars? No, no, 963 01:01:00,089 --> 01:01:03,419 they said they were trumped they were matte black Maga and 964 01:01:03,629 --> 01:01:06,359 Russian bots were Russian mobs, right? That was that was the 965 01:01:06,359 --> 01:01:07,049 whole narrative. 966 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:11,910 Okay, all right. All right. Hold on, hold on, back up now. So 967 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:17,520 Black Twitter. Maybe the hashtag. Okay, I think there's 968 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,150 two different because there's got to be a Black Twitter which 969 01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:25,920 is where I find mo I mean that that's there, right? 970 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,250 It's okay, I give you a perfect sample Black Lives Matter. 971 01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:33,660 That's That's how people got it. Yeah, you see things that you're 972 01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:36,120 saying? Like they see actual true injustice and then put 973 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,510 black hashtag Black Lives Matter on it. But past Black Lives 974 01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:42,420 Matter ink is something totally different underscore dealing 975 01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:44,910 with the inks out of Black Twitter doesn't reflect Twitter 976 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:45,270 ink. 977 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:51,660 Okay. So but what but in the beginning before, I believe we 978 01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:57,180 have to see how black America influences the rest. And black 979 01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:01,770 America in its purest form was using Twitter in a novel way and 980 01:02:01,770 --> 01:02:05,820 got a lot going but then as is typical, it was quickly captured 981 01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:09,240 because it turned into a safe space for the for the checkmarks 982 01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:12,300 right but it's still a battle out there. We're actually 983 01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:17,190 elevated okay, this is your this is your safe. We know you're 984 01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:20,430 safe Negro if we use his blue check, and that kind of thing. 985 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:23,730 Now that's what that was was especially when you if you got 986 01:02:23,730 --> 01:02:26,160 it came out through the Democrat. I mean, the must not 987 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,780 say Democrat if you can't see that. What's 988 01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:30,540 the analogy for that? There must have been an analogy in the 989 01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:32,400 slave days for the safe negro. 990 01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:37,590 That's, I mean, that was the Oh, well. But if you ever seen life 991 01:02:37,590 --> 01:02:40,860 with Martin, yes, of course. Yes. You remember how the black 992 01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:45,360 guy was trusted to have the gun? Yeah. Garwin arm himself. Right? 993 01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:48,870 It's uh, here. Here you got the gun. I keep them in line. Right? 994 01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:51,900 All right. And he would tell him not that nice boss. And I'm not 995 01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:55,740 nice to bosses. That's that's kind of how Black Twitter is. 996 01:02:56,310 --> 01:03:00,030 You go say something like right now. If you were to go say 997 01:03:00,030 --> 01:03:03,240 something on Black Twitter, about you know, stand on what 998 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,570 you were hearing about about abortion is right now. The 999 01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:09,750 pushback will be so hard against you if you say anything against 1000 01:03:09,810 --> 01:03:14,250 trans or I mean even to the point of like, I don't think he 1001 01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:17,400 like Ziaja wave situation. I don't think you should keep to 1002 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,370 be transitioning. Or you're not gonna they're gonna come for 1003 01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:22,590 you. They're gonna call you massage and that's why I say 1004 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:24,600 upset just just would never be welcome there. 1005 01:03:24,629 --> 01:03:27,659 All right, so just one more question. Where is black America 1006 01:03:27,659 --> 01:03:31,649 communicating then? Not Black Twitter. But where is the real 1007 01:03:31,649 --> 01:03:33,059 conversation going on? 1008 01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:37,410 I tell you to get you the best cross section because you get 1009 01:03:37,410 --> 01:03:42,780 you go all the way from the Far to the far left in from Marxist 1010 01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:49,650 to to fascist almost to super modern to super traditional that 1011 01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:56,580 and that's why that's why people gravitate towards you to the way 1012 01:03:56,580 --> 01:03:59,370 they do because I was confused him It starts on Twitter 1013 01:04:00,329 --> 01:04:04,919 wigger swager Black Twitter now known as Twiga way to go 1014 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:15,450 go right. You caught me? No, it started the argument starts on 1015 01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:20,340 Twitter. Then it goes to local news then it comes to black 1016 01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:25,500 YouTube for reaction right this is and that's why I said when a 1017 01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,560 meme makes it to local news. That's me it's been successful. 1018 01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,140 That's me. It's ready for this so 1019 01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:34,290 you had me confused earlier because I really thought oh, 1020 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,200 okay, Black Twitter is where black America really 1021 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,810 communicates now I understand what you should do to believe 1022 01:04:39,810 --> 01:04:40,260 yes. 1023 01:04:41,429 --> 01:04:43,829 It worked because let me see what the black folks are 1024 01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:48,359 thinking Black Twitter Oh, their produce and whatever this is. 1025 01:04:49,049 --> 01:04:52,409 And this is where the you know, that okay, your 1026 01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:55,470 Black Twitter Black Twitter is now Malcolm Malcolm Nance going 1027 01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:58,950 to Ukraine. I mean, that's, that's gonna 1028 01:04:59,550 --> 01:05:04,770 die. He's going to help fight Nazis. Yeah, I'm shaping that in 1029 01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:08,190 the net done media meme narrative. You know that because 1030 01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:11,370 that was how you lay it out in the meme is like, when the black 1031 01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:17,160 people start being supportive of ex CIA. Nazi spy, right? I know 1032 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,540 it's great. Yeah, that'll give zero likes. But that's why 1033 01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:24,870 shadow banning is so just as you're saying just quickly touch 1034 01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:28,350 on a topic, because you think you're saying something. But 1035 01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:33,060 they put a, it's like a dome around you. You're sitting here 1036 01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:36,690 talking your head off. But that is noisy. Actually, you don't 1037 01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:37,560 know they're not seeing 1038 01:05:37,619 --> 01:05:42,239 originally, we call that the Bozo filter. And that's back in 1039 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:47,129 the day way before you were born. on forums, you had a bozo 1040 01:05:47,129 --> 01:05:51,149 filter, so exactly that someone could be posting like crazy, and 1041 01:05:51,149 --> 01:05:53,759 saying all kinds of stuff and you just flip the Bozo filter 1042 01:05:53,759 --> 01:05:55,229 on, and no one would see it. 1043 01:05:57,090 --> 01:06:01,650 So hopefully we understand that Black Twitter does not represent 1044 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,650 Black Twitter represent whatever it is that the book politically, 1045 01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:10,650 God and socially, you know, by, by the use and by the council 1046 01:06:10,650 --> 01:06:14,910 culture, you know, and that's why with me, I'll say it again, 1047 01:06:15,030 --> 01:06:20,040 I would never ever be allowed to give no, be given the boost of 1048 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,280 the algorithm know, this kind of message. Oh, no, no, I mean, 1049 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,340 that's it's too. You can you can't box that in once you'd 1050 01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:28,290 have people start thinking for themselves. It's like, no, 1051 01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:31,830 that's very dangerous. Um, let's go ahead get to number 10. 1052 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,310 We wanted to know exactly how one becomes a member of Black 1053 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:39,900 Twitter are the rules or at least consistent practices. So I 1054 01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:42,660 reached out to my friend Kiana Tipton for help. She has a 1055 01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:44,040 master's degree in Twitter. 1056 01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:49,620 Well, actually, my alma mater didn't quite offer Master's in 1057 01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:53,400 Black Twitter, although sometimes I tell people, I have 1058 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,820 a master's in Black Twitter. And nobody's checked me on it. So of 1059 01:06:56,820 --> 01:07:01,200 course, Black Twitter is not an actual space. And it's also not 1060 01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:04,530 a homogeneous group where everyone looks the same. 1061 01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:07,080 Everyone talks about the same things and everyone cares about 1062 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,200 the same things. I think in order to participate in Black 1063 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,220 Twitter and to be a part of it, you have to have that cultural 1064 01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:17,580 competency. Essentially, it mirrors in real life 1065 01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:19,020 conversations that black people, 1066 01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:22,950 please tell me this is a white girl, please, please. Oh, she 1067 01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:26,580 said, That's too bad. Thought that was perfect. I would have 1068 01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:28,290 been perfect. Listening to her 1069 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:33,120 having. So some of those things are community call and response 1070 01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:36,330 that is really common in black language. And of course there's 1071 01:07:36,330 --> 01:07:39,840 humor, and I think both community and Colin response 1072 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,700 lend itself to that humorous 1073 01:07:41,699 --> 01:07:44,219 aspect. It's not all fun and games on Twitter, 1074 01:07:44,249 --> 01:07:47,519 Black Twitter consistently uses hashtag campaigns to organize 1075 01:07:47,519 --> 01:07:50,579 around a social or political cause, say her name created in 1076 01:07:50,579 --> 01:07:53,159 Sandra Bland is on her highlights the often hidden 1077 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,669 plight of black women affected by political injustice or police 1078 01:07:56,669 --> 01:08:00,389 brutality. mainstream media's tendency to publicize a victim's 1079 01:08:00,389 --> 01:08:03,329 most stereotypical photos after an unarmed black person is 1080 01:08:03,329 --> 01:08:07,199 killed, sparked if they gunned me down. And of course, black 1081 01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,449 lives matter which is now an international activist 1082 01:08:09,449 --> 01:08:10,199 organization. 1083 01:08:12,659 --> 01:08:16,649 Yeah, and if you see remember, she will rise from the last 1084 01:08:16,649 --> 01:08:20,789 show. Yep. And who they bring in the same one Oscar so white. 1085 01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:24,659 Yeah, these things like, these are astroturf. I want people to 1086 01:08:24,659 --> 01:08:27,689 be very clear. These are the ones that somebody picks up the 1087 01:08:27,689 --> 01:08:31,139 phone calls over to Twitter. Hey, I need you to put some put 1088 01:08:31,139 --> 01:08:34,829 some sauce on this one. It's like okay, okay. Yes, boss. And 1089 01:08:34,829 --> 01:08:39,449 then they are saying they Nobody said Oscar so white, you know, 1090 01:08:39,509 --> 01:08:45,779 in the way they are they stamp out other ones. And label them 1091 01:08:45,779 --> 01:08:50,699 is like a toxic kind of thing. So 1092 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,860 it's, it's controlled now. Do you think that black America 1093 01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:59,400 understands that this place is being controlled? What percent 1094 01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:01,410 is all in and thinks this is groovy? 1095 01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:10,440 Will the average person is not on Twitter. I'll say that. First 1096 01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:12,900 of all, every black person is not on Twitter. 1097 01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:15,959 Right? But it's actually worse because they get the local news 1098 01:09:15,959 --> 01:09:18,689 version and they just go with whatever is being told. 1099 01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:23,969 Correct. But they have the reaction to it. And see if it's 1100 01:09:23,969 --> 01:09:27,149 something that they think might okay, I gave you a great 1101 01:09:27,149 --> 01:09:28,829 example. Remember, they can't take off. 1102 01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:31,920 Yeah, right. Yeah, 1103 01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:35,550 they first been hacked. I was like, okay, yeah, you're saying 1104 01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:40,620 look at slay, slay it was like it was like it's not crazy, no 1105 01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:41,040 good. 1106 01:09:42,869 --> 01:09:45,749 They surprises they suppress they suppress that they suppress 1107 01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:50,189 the anti all the anti hashtags about that. 1108 01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:54,420 They go to play cleanup to wipe clean you know the you know, the 1109 01:09:54,420 --> 01:09:57,450 original posts just in memory. Hold 1110 01:09:57,450 --> 01:10:01,740 them for my edification from this clip. a call and response. 1111 01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:06,330 What is that? Like? Can I get a Hey? Yeah, okay, okay. Oh, oh, 1112 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:11,400 okay. Wow, that's hard to do. And then of course the black 1113 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,550 humors see if I feel like I can't keep up with that. 1114 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,100 Well, it's a lot of stuff is based in culture. USA. So you 1115 01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:27,000 might have lines for movies. That is not the ones you see on 1116 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,000 trailers. It's like those funny lines. It's 1117 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,430 not like I'll be back. Ya know? 1118 01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:41,879 My summer somebody say, Oh, yeah. Um, well, they can by 1119 01:10:41,879 --> 01:10:44,699 keeping clean though, are my classic damn Gina, 1120 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,440 does that still work? Or is that no, that's 1121 01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:49,320 that's that's a. That's that's a good one. That's 1122 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,030 a boomer. Boomer one. 1123 01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:54,960 No, not really. Because the other ones like what's still 1124 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,980 good? That's still good. No, it's that's crazy. So I was 1125 01:10:58,980 --> 01:11:01,500 wondering, that will be the catch line from the show. So 1126 01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:04,200 everybody would know that one. What you're saying if I say you 1127 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,050 ain't got no job, man, you're saying they know that. Oh, 1128 01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:08,310 that's talking about Tommy. 1129 01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:12,420 Just Got it. Got it. This is 1130 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,930 just a timing thing. And it's also used in my essay. So you 1131 01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:18,960 can I get it. Hey, hey, you're late with the Hey, then you're 1132 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:22,860 like a half of you. 1133 01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:24,840 Wait a minute. That's almost that's almost like church 1134 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,920 though. Churches also, like all kinds of callback stuff. Hold on 1135 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:29,340 a second. 1136 01:11:29,489 --> 01:11:32,489 Yeah. I liked it. Exactly. Right. That's the interaction. 1137 01:11:32,519 --> 01:11:35,759 You know, that's the one that like I said, that's what makes 1138 01:11:35,759 --> 01:11:41,039 it the living spirit of it. And that's, I don't know that just 1139 01:11:41,129 --> 01:11:43,919 people just bring that to the table. I don't care what it is. 1140 01:11:43,949 --> 01:11:48,599 Um, we just like I tell people all the time, like the turntable 1141 01:11:49,109 --> 01:11:51,509 when they sit down and made the timetable. They didn't make it 1142 01:11:51,509 --> 01:11:52,289 for scratching. 1143 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,230 Exactly. 1144 01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:58,770 What Yes, yes. 1145 01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:02,940 Scratch Oh, nowadays, like okay, here. And then some I got a 1146 01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:06,150 really nice turntable. He had, you know, the anti reverse on 1147 01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:08,790 it. And like, but, okay, 1148 01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:18,480 right, but But you know, when when Kanye first got the, the 1149 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:22,530 Roland 808 Drum Machine, she did shit with it that no one had 1150 01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:23,340 heard either, 1151 01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,730 right? You know, now even even a sampler or the drum machine 1152 01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:30,720 itself was not meant to that was actually so if you didn't have a 1153 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,710 drummer, you could say to be you played a guitar, you were piano 1154 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:37,350 whatever to it. And to the drummer. Got there. Yeah. And it 1155 01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:40,320 was like, No, we're gonna let me get back. Let me hold there for 1156 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:46,110 years and we desperately are. That's our superpower, is to 1157 01:12:46,110 --> 01:12:50,490 take something and make it. Make it do something that you haven't 1158 01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:55,890 seen Tiktaalik tick tock dances. Yeah. This is where it's culture 1159 01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:59,190 appropriation and Culture Vulture income comes from, but 1160 01:12:59,190 --> 01:13:02,160 you can have appreciation for the culture. But when you come 1161 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,000 in and take it, and the funny thing is we have not these gone 1162 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,520 on a tangent, but we said okay, take that we just create 1163 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,350 something else. And we're like, Okay, 1164 01:13:10,590 --> 01:13:14,640 well, what when you say take it What do you mean it when you 1165 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,430 mean So okay, so white people are now doing the dance on Tik 1166 01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:19,590 Tok. That would be taking taking it. 1167 01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:23,070 Yeah, because they don't bring 1168 01:13:23,670 --> 01:13:27,000 joy. I know. I know. It's not the same, but But you know, you 1169 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,320 can't be mad about it. I mean, it's that it's actually a really 1170 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,850 sincere form of flattery. 1171 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,680 We'll take it to music for a second. He's like, Well, you 1172 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,610 have your favorite band, right? With like Nirvana. Like the 1173 01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,840 people that were day when one Nirvana fans. Like when they 1174 01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:49,680 blew up and went by, like nucular heroes and celebrity, 1175 01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:52,140 they will have the same thing. Like, take it. I know, you're 1176 01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:54,720 gonna make it commercial. I know, you're gonna take the free 1177 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,690 course and ruin it, you know, you're gonna corporatize it. So 1178 01:13:57,690 --> 01:14:00,900 it's like, take it not not like you're stealing something. It's 1179 01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:04,860 just like, here, like maybe like, like, all music. 1180 01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:09,840 But that's, that's kind of my point. Is that? Yeah. When when 1181 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,460 you say well, then then they take it. I'm just saying. That's 1182 01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:18,120 how culture works. I mean, and America is a beautiful, better 1183 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,080 place for it. I don't think that's something that needs to 1184 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:28,920 be paid back or, you know, look at you know, the turntable came 1185 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,590 from some white dudes in, you know, actually, you came from a 1186 01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:35,940 white dude, Thomas Edison. So it's building building on top of 1187 01:14:36,750 --> 01:14:40,470 the trigger depart father, when somebody takes your invention 1188 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,990 and says, We can monetize 1189 01:14:42,989 --> 01:14:45,629 it. Now, that doesn't bother me that way. 1190 01:14:46,830 --> 01:14:50,010 No, no, I'm saying like, you know, it's like, it's not meant 1191 01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:50,580 for that. 1192 01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:54,300 Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, okay. No, 1193 01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:59,550 that's fair. But but it Yeah, okay, that you got me on that 1194 01:14:59,550 --> 01:15:02,130 one. That's a very Good. That's a very good analogy that that 1195 01:15:02,130 --> 01:15:03,240 gives me something to think about 1196 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:05,760 is not meant when you hear somebody does a corporate 1197 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,200 podcast, you know? 1198 01:15:08,849 --> 01:15:11,609 It's like, no, no, no, no, it's not No, no, no, that's, that's, 1199 01:15:11,639 --> 01:15:15,989 that's not you had the right example. Okay. And the right 1200 01:15:15,989 --> 01:15:20,699 example was trying to monetize podcasting in all these crazy 1201 01:15:20,699 --> 01:15:25,589 ways. That's the right example. It now for me, I think it's very 1202 01:15:25,589 --> 01:15:29,759 good example, because I, I'm not mad, I just go. I just shake my 1203 01:15:29,759 --> 01:15:33,629 head. Like, it's not gonna work. Good luck with that. And I think 1204 01:15:33,629 --> 01:15:35,219 that's probably 1205 01:15:35,250 --> 01:15:40,710 whatever they say. Listen, you can't monetize. To me. No, never 1206 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:44,910 come talk to me. Yes, like the guys that write and it's like, 1207 01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:46,110 but that ever comes out. 1208 01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:50,610 Right? But but just I just want you to understand that I don't 1209 01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:56,100 feel like someone took something I'm happy. I'm pleased. I'm just 1210 01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:00,270 always flabbergasted that no one ever comes to talk to me. But 1211 01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:03,990 it's I'm not angry. That I'm just saying that when it comes 1212 01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:09,690 to a culture and how it's created, and how things are 1213 01:16:09,690 --> 01:16:14,340 built on top of each other, even if they stray completely from 1214 01:16:14,340 --> 01:16:18,450 the original intent and idea, I'm okay with that. And I think 1215 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:23,790 that that enriches everybody. And it's really just, I just 1216 01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:29,430 take it from you a little hate, yeah, you're taking our stuff or 1217 01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:32,370 it's cultural. It's almost like saying cultural appropriation. 1218 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,030 That's how it felt 1219 01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:35,520 when there is there is a cultural appropriation and there 1220 01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,610 aren't cultural voters. Because when you take something, that's 1221 01:16:38,610 --> 01:16:41,550 why I use podcasting, the people that make these corporate 1222 01:16:41,550 --> 01:16:46,950 podcasting platforms, they don't care anything about podcasters 1223 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,070 they don't care anything about podcasting. It's like, how can 1224 01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:53,850 we privatize this? And it's like, it's not meant for that. 1225 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,610 Just like what Bitcoin. They're saying, like when people come in 1226 01:16:56,610 --> 01:17:03,000 and try to use it for a asset or monetary vehicle. Yeah, okay. 1227 01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:03,780 Okay, then, 1228 01:17:04,050 --> 01:17:07,530 we're talking about two different things. That's 1229 01:17:07,530 --> 01:17:15,660 changing the use versus hip hop, and Eminem. Eminem generally 1230 01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:19,980 accepted, because he respects the craft, he respects the craft 1231 01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:24,090 key, but he's not from the culture, per se. But he built on 1232 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:27,690 top of it, brought his own culture to it, and I think has 1233 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,470 enriched everybody in this in the process. So that that to me 1234 01:17:31,470 --> 01:17:35,430 is like, so if it's tick tock videos, I think that there are 1235 01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:40,380 some, some people who do it with with, there's a lot of people 1236 01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:43,380 who do it with the same vigor the same idea. And there's and 1237 01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:45,960 then there's a whole section that doesn't that is just 1238 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:46,650 laughable. 1239 01:17:47,130 --> 01:17:53,100 Well, it's some people that do things that are. It's not 1240 01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:56,460 appreciation, it's more like a mockery. And that's where that's 1241 01:17:56,460 --> 01:17:59,790 that fine balance, you know, of how people can make certain 1242 01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:02,760 movies like Quentin Tarantino, he's allowed to make certain 1243 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,640 movies because people believe that he does it in an artistic 1244 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,030 way, where you're saying other people might not be able to get 1245 01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:14,220 away with it. I'm so glad to be able to point but that's the 1246 01:18:14,220 --> 01:18:17,820 crux of everything is, are you in it for the appreciation of 1247 01:18:17,820 --> 01:18:21,780 it? Are you aiming for a cash grab guy, and that goes, that 1248 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:25,380 goes for whatever I mean, we have written by YouTube content 1249 01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:27,900 creators, in our series, people that want to play the numbers, 1250 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:30,450 they don't really care what they talk about. They just whatever 1251 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:33,600 the latest story is, you know, I'm gonna talk about it. Because 1252 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,910 this is this is what you know, is good monetarily. 1253 01:18:35,970 --> 01:18:38,850 I really liked this because that, to me, that's the beauty 1254 01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:42,330 of value for value and the streaming streaming payments, 1255 01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:47,970 because I want anybody to come up with any crazy idea from any 1256 01:18:47,970 --> 01:18:51,930 culture, and immediately have a monetization model built right 1257 01:18:51,930 --> 01:18:58,440 in. So that so that no one has to worry about someone. And and 1258 01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,830 because inherently, I hope all this stuff is completely not at 1259 01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:06,150 Brand safe. That's the that's the only good stuff. That's why 1260 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,840 you know that I think it's perfect for people just, you 1261 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,570 know, to experiment, the next thing that comes up, we won't 1262 01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:15,030 have to worry about okay, well, how do we pay for 1263 01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:18,480 it? Let's bring it let's bring this conversation full circle. 1264 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:25,740 Right? Everybody has a number to sell out? How much he's being 1265 01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:30,660 honest with you. Everybody has a number. Twitter was 44 billion. 1266 01:19:31,380 --> 01:19:35,070 Like don't get it twisted. They didn't want to say Oh, well, 1267 01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:37,950 Elon knew their number. And that's kind of like the same 1268 01:19:37,950 --> 01:19:40,980 thing. But you know, that's why people get so mad at 1269 01:19:40,980 --> 01:19:44,220 corporations. Like you gave him a number he couldn't resist. 1270 01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:45,870 Right? And that was the whole that was the whole Dave 1271 01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:48,630 Chappelle thing. Like they'll come by me. He'll say like this. 1272 01:19:49,290 --> 01:19:54,270 He was it was said in jazz, but you know, when they put the 50 1273 01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:58,590 million on the table, he knew it was gonna be bad when he signed 1274 01:19:58,590 --> 01:20:01,680 it. What is this line? But then luckily, you know, he came to 1275 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,160 his senses, you know, but that's, that's what they mean by 1276 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,460 you know, taking something, when you put something on the table 1277 01:20:08,460 --> 01:20:10,620 where, even when like what the demographic we're talking about 1278 01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:15,270 now, a lot of these people know better on Black Twitter. But 1279 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:20,820 that check is good. The check you're saying it may go and spew 1280 01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:23,580 their talking points that they do and a good example of that we 1281 01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:28,380 can get into it's a throwback clip for show 18 This is joy 1282 01:20:28,380 --> 01:20:33,000 read which serene Mitchell and this is just show you how they 1283 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,210 know better, but they'll know do whatever they got to do or sand 1284 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:37,200 for the for the bag. 1285 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:41,280 So it's the indication that they are, they are someone who was 1286 01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:44,550 born in, you know, as as a descendant in the United States, 1287 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,470 who was representing black America and has the vernacular 1288 01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:52,560 in the language that people will believe is someone who was a 1289 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,860 part of our community who is either debating about Camilla or 1290 01:20:55,860 --> 01:21:00,450 debating about that's just announced, and and trying to say 1291 01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:03,930 we know who's the most, you know, who's who's black in 1292 01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:06,960 America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of 1293 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,750 talking in his vernacular that makes it look like that they are 1294 01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:11,670 in American? Yeah, 1295 01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:15,540 yeah. I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it 1296 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:18,270 came to when commonly or something just dropped like a 1297 01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:21,150 bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she was accused of 1298 01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:23,460 being not, not really black, not 1299 01:21:23,489 --> 01:21:27,809 Not really. You could see that happening. But actually, there 1300 01:21:27,809 --> 01:21:31,469 was an uptick of those bots, just before she was about to 1301 01:21:31,469 --> 01:21:33,659 announce, so they were preparing for her announcement. 1302 01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:40,770 Just before you I really love this show, I really appreciate 1303 01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:44,220 our conversation that we just had was one of the most open, 1304 01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:47,640 honest racial conversations I think I've ever heard myself, 1305 01:21:48,150 --> 01:21:49,620 I've really appreciate this. 1306 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:53,820 I do too. And that's why there's, you can't you can't 1307 01:21:53,820 --> 01:21:56,160 make this in a lab, or boardroom. 1308 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,550 That's, that's why we take an oath of poverty. 1309 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:08,820 That's the thing is, and it's not, for me, I don't want to be 1310 01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:13,020 controlled, and magisters. And just to let it shine some light 1311 01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:17,880 in that that was the whole thing with the shot with me. Like, no, 1312 01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:20,220 you can't have that. He was saying like, there's certain 1313 01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:23,910 parts of meat. No, you can't have that. You know, and, and 1314 01:22:25,050 --> 01:22:28,860 it's belief in self. And you heard that in the past clips 1315 01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:31,950 with us Tiffany cross is like, where are we gonna go? Like, 1316 01:22:31,950 --> 01:22:33,870 what you mean, where are you gonna go? Either you stay on the 1317 01:22:33,870 --> 01:22:36,870 platform and you get crappy enough where you dodging the 1318 01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:41,910 off? He was saying? Censorship, right? Or are you missing I'll 1319 01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:44,370 make a stellar product where you're saying people would not 1320 01:22:44,370 --> 01:22:47,370 be naturally gravitate and love to share it, or you go build 1321 01:22:47,370 --> 01:22:51,750 your own. But that but that's the thing. They don't they, they 1322 01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:56,280 want to be handed something and protect it. It comes to price. 1323 01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:01,710 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, so just getting back to this clip. They 1324 01:23:01,710 --> 01:23:07,590 know better. They if they're truly tapped in and joy, joy re 1325 01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:10,950 enjoys Black Twitter, and the support it gives you're saying 1326 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:16,290 hurt. Um, if they knew like they said they knew they were 1327 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:20,640 understand, okay, Kamal, it seems like Obama 2.0 And Obama 1328 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,970 didn't really do anything for us. So that's maybe why some 1329 01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:26,730 black people are upset were hurt. But just to come out say 1330 01:23:26,730 --> 01:23:30,450 oh, no, what's worse is Russian bots. That's cost they were told 1331 01:23:30,450 --> 01:23:34,950 to saying that MSNBC besides her check, to tell her to say oh, 1332 01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:37,950 you know what, we're gonna we're gonna push down. I 1333 01:23:37,950 --> 01:23:46,980 am extremely grateful to joy Reid. Because this very the clip 1334 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,630 that is what brought Adam and Moe together, right? Because I 1335 01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:55,650 was struggling with what is this bots and descendants of slavery 1336 01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:57,840 and I was trying to figure it out and I was talking about it 1337 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,350 with John it's like I love John but he's not gonna He's not 1338 01:24:01,350 --> 01:24:04,650 gonna help me with this. And then that's when you reach out 1339 01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:05,040 to me 1340 01:24:05,550 --> 01:24:11,340 and that that you picked up on that hashtag dos? Yeah. See 1341 01:24:11,340 --> 01:24:14,880 that? That was the net was like no was this refined because 1342 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,720 we're talking about descendants of American slavery right it's 1343 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,690 more say they're okay with das Yeah, of course. Yeah, well, 1344 01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:25,230 yes. reached you. It's like the anus though. That's problematic 1345 01:24:25,230 --> 01:24:28,260 because that fracture the whole Caribbean and African blood 1346 01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:30,750 right right you know that we're building it and that's where it 1347 01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,750 that goes to show you the Twitter filter right there is 1348 01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:37,770 because you got dogs but you didn't get a DOS Yep. And but if 1349 01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:41,220 you went and got it from the mainstream media such as this, 1350 01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:43,140 you will Oh, they're Russian Russian. 1351 01:24:43,170 --> 01:24:45,420 Well, that's what I that's what I smelled it right away. I'm 1352 01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:48,210 like, Nah, something's going on. It was this Russian bot shit 1353 01:24:48,210 --> 01:24:52,830 with a DOS was good. But interestingly, you reached out 1354 01:24:52,860 --> 01:25:01,380 but also Antonio more. The hashtag a DOS people, right Very 1355 01:25:01,380 --> 01:25:01,920 interesting. 1356 01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,880 And the thing was with them, I will just say, not just my 1357 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:11,610 critique of the A Das, that downvoting that the DAS didn't 1358 01:25:11,610 --> 01:25:15,870 meet the litmus test of the people. See, this is the power 1359 01:25:15,870 --> 01:25:19,680 of like, when you have a true callback, you know, that kind of 1360 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,070 thing or you, you listen back to the, you know, what the 1361 01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:26,040 sentiment is, you will say, Okay, this downvote thing that 1362 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,400 was dumb, but you're saying that just admit to it and get but if 1363 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,830 you stand on, it's like, well, you sound like you're still 1364 01:25:31,830 --> 01:25:34,680 trying to get us to vote. And we don't have that tangible on the 1365 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,880 table. So that's just going to show you not even organic 1366 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:43,860 hashtag can run into trouble if you don't stay true to the 1367 01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:50,730 message. Okay, so let's go ahead and get to that. Let's go and 1368 01:25:50,730 --> 01:25:54,510 play 13. And then you're saying, cuz I want you to hear the 1369 01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:57,570 talking for people, just enough that clip. But I think it's 1370 01:25:57,570 --> 01:26:01,200 important to hear them being negative towards things that can 1371 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,310 only be seen as positive. 1372 01:26:03,150 --> 01:26:07,140 Because if we know, as we've seen that the the what the ones 1373 01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:11,520 who are the most valuable to the Democratic Party is black women, 1374 01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:15,120 we have identified at least five existing campaigns that are 1375 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,390 focused on getting black people to do only one thing, what we're 1376 01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:20,070 not know, for the Democrats. 1377 01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:22,560 And can you name one of those five campaigns? I mean, we put 1378 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,750 up from the report that you're saying that this there's a 1379 01:26:24,750 --> 01:26:27,360 conversation about reparations that has to do with it. There's 1380 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,420 a criminal justice camp conversation, 1381 01:26:30,540 --> 01:26:36,030 there's an immigration so on reparations, immigration, and, 1382 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,950 and sorry, reparations, immigration, and anything that 1383 01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:43,950 has to do with the criminal justice system. So the reason 1384 01:26:43,950 --> 01:26:47,970 that the targeting of Kamala around being a cop is important 1385 01:26:48,090 --> 01:26:52,020 is because anything that's that hinges on criminal justice 1386 01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:53,670 becomes a divisive issue. 1387 01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:55,410 Do you read something? We're out of time? But how can people tell 1388 01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:58,200 the difference between the real genuine thing of Black Lives 1389 01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,420 Matter and the ones that are just designed to make you not 1390 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:01,800 vote? How do you even tell? 1391 01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:05,940 You tell by the way, by the by the language that they use most 1392 01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:08,970 of the time, but if you see anyone who says basically 1393 01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:14,250 tangibles or you're not getting our vote without us getting 1394 01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:17,520 something back, you should start to pause and take a better look 1395 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,800 at what they're saying better look at those those accounts and 1396 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:20,610 seeing what they're saying. 1397 01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:25,080 Come on, Vladimir, MO. I know you're a Russian. bobbies are 1398 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,920 things you say your vote where you you. Just imagine 1399 01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:31,890 I love that. That's you. That's you. They just described you 1400 01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:32,580 ugly. 1401 01:27:34,770 --> 01:27:39,210 Thank you. Yeah. And, but I couldn't imagine if they say 1402 01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:41,610 they're tapping into the sentiment other people like they 1403 01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:46,530 say they are to say if it says tangibles that's probably 1404 01:27:46,530 --> 01:27:50,400 about Russia. That's probably about Yeah, that's that's not 1405 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,340 real. Or we want something for our vote. No, no, no, that can't 1406 01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:56,370 be that can't be real black person and no. 1407 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:02,190 Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to do to make that work 1408 01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:06,960 for you in your mind. So speaking next, so we can go now 1409 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:11,160 to the second set up I found our second set of clips I found from 1410 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,430 the route and this is how Black Twitter changed the world. Think 1411 01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:14,700 back 1412 01:28:14,700 --> 01:28:17,040 on your favorite Twitter moments of the past decade. 1413 01:28:17,519 --> 01:28:19,949 I got beans grains, potatoes, tomatoes. 1414 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:30,240 Why you always what did they all have in common? Today's baggage, 1415 01:28:30,330 --> 01:28:36,420 Black Twitter. Where do politics memes? Black culture and 1416 01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:41,400 activism come together online? You guessed it. Black Twitter, 1417 01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:46,230 Slack Twitter is Twitter. It's the congregation a community. 1418 01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:54,330 Heck, I'd argue that Black Twitter is the most poppin space 1419 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,890 on the internet. What What kind of legacy has it created? Now 1420 01:28:58,890 --> 01:29:02,460 we're gonna find someone who's an expert in all things black 1421 01:29:04,350 --> 01:29:09,150 yachting Professor merited the clocks, pretty much a Black 1422 01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:10,140 Twitter ologists 1423 01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:14,160 people try to juxtapose Black Twitter versus let's say 1424 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,600 mainstream twitter or just Twitter. The assumption that 1425 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,830 they're making is that white users and the people who created 1426 01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:27,600 Twitter are the default. And so whatever white users are doing, 1427 01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:32,160 that is mainstream or regular Twitter, and we know that that 1428 01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,660 just isn't so black. Twitter makes Twitter what it is, it is 1429 01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:39,030 what drives the Pipi conversations. 1430 01:29:41,130 --> 01:29:44,100 I'd love to see numbers I'd love to see because I think that 1431 01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:47,880 there's also a Latino Twitter a French Twitter a German Twitter 1432 01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,460 I mean, there's all kinds of Twitter's that we don't see 1433 01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:52,680 which are segregated. 1434 01:29:53,310 --> 01:29:58,770 Well see here's the thing. Every one of those groups you name are 1435 01:29:58,860 --> 01:30:04,860 equally district Read Across the left right political spectrum. 1436 01:30:06,450 --> 01:30:11,190 Or at least Gotcha. Yeah, already, you're saying 3070 6040 1437 01:30:11,190 --> 01:30:15,690 That kind of split. The fact that this is where I'm saying 1438 01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:20,610 black people the fact that it's a code, you know, it's a it's an 1439 01:30:20,610 --> 01:30:24,840 unwritten code or how you know, okay. No, we'd look out for each 1440 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,810 other that kind of thing. And then you factor that in with 1441 01:30:27,930 --> 01:30:32,580 that code has been hijacked and weaponized and and also put it 1442 01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:36,000 politicized. This that if you don't agree with this, if you 1443 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,030 don't say if you don't like Obama, if you don't like you 1444 01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:42,510 know what their fill in the blank, you ain't black, like the 1445 01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:46,710 Joe Biden thing. Yeah, well, for me, you ain't black. So that's 1446 01:30:46,710 --> 01:30:49,800 why I think he's more stringent. And then the fact that is 1447 01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,610 manufactured to be that way. Because just like my whole point 1448 01:30:53,610 --> 01:30:58,800 of Twitter itself, being AP, Black Twitter is the black 1449 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:04,620 journalism. It's the black AP. Yeah. So that's how they 1450 01:31:04,919 --> 01:31:08,339 are and they're very influential. Got it? Yep, makes 1451 01:31:08,609 --> 01:31:16,199 soap and is not only influential to 2022 and 2024. See case? They 1452 01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:20,219 said that Black Twitter is the most impactful or whatever worse 1453 01:31:20,219 --> 01:31:26,309 use on their own. No, no, you black YouTube is telling you 1454 01:31:26,309 --> 01:31:31,439 because you get a far more balanced nursing distribution. 1455 01:31:32,309 --> 01:31:34,919 And you find that you are on sides with other people standing 1456 01:31:34,919 --> 01:31:37,049 with people that you might not on certain topics, but other 1457 01:31:37,049 --> 01:31:38,159 topics you can hear from them. 1458 01:31:38,490 --> 01:31:40,830 Right? It's a whole it's a whole different system. It just works 1459 01:31:40,830 --> 01:31:44,340 completely differently. Yet they have a common algo of 1460 01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:48,570 recommending and that and that's that works really well. Okay, I 1461 01:31:48,570 --> 01:31:52,080 understand. I'm down with it. Yep, I got so black. Twitter is 1462 01:31:52,350 --> 01:31:55,440 black. Twitter is also the most manipulated part of Twitter. 1463 01:31:55,979 --> 01:32:00,209 Always. It's man. It's a real voice, we refined narrative. And 1464 01:32:00,209 --> 01:32:02,579 I'm going to give you a sample of the three we might want to 1465 01:32:02,579 --> 01:32:05,909 have listen all three, but I just want to hear you see how 1466 01:32:05,909 --> 01:32:12,209 example of a rogue hashtag and how it was handled by Black 1467 01:32:12,209 --> 01:32:16,979 Twitter. And this is went back going back to 53 show 53. And 1468 01:32:16,979 --> 01:32:19,649 this was the hashtag blame black men 1469 01:32:19,859 --> 01:32:24,419 also want to talk about black men today. Hi, Laurie. Hi, 1470 01:32:24,450 --> 01:32:28,830 love black. Very lovely. One of my favorite topics. 1471 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,950 Hold on some of my best friend, a black man, for instance, like 1472 01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:37,620 Jamel Hill tweeted something out. And I think it's time for 1473 01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:40,950 us to have a conversation. We've been I've been nibbling around 1474 01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:44,880 the edges of this conversation. We don't have it today. So Jamel 1475 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,860 Hill. She said, she tweeted this yesterday. I've increasingly 1476 01:32:49,860 --> 01:32:53,790 found that black men. Oh, excuse me. I've increasingly found that 1477 01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:58,380 many black men just want better access to patriarchy. They don't 1478 01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:04,380 actually want it dismantled. And when I saw that twit trending 1479 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:07,830 and she was trending, I was I said to myself, Is this helpful? 1480 01:33:08,010 --> 01:33:13,080 That's the first thing I said. Why why why? Why? Why and then 1481 01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:17,220 that started a blame black men. Hashtag 1482 01:33:17,490 --> 01:33:19,830 Oh, yeah. Remember this show? You bet. 1483 01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,670 And that was the after the this was the show. 53 was 2020 1484 01:33:23,670 --> 01:33:29,970 vision. And this was around the whole ice cube thing. You know? 1485 01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:33,060 Yeah. The Carolinas for everything because on one side, 1486 01:33:33,540 --> 01:33:37,260 the you know, the mainstream media was saying all black pave 1487 01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:42,090 us Democratic Party. And the only thing that can really ruin 1488 01:33:42,090 --> 01:33:46,620 it for us is the patriarchy loving black men. Right? These 1489 01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:50,730 misogynist and and just once again, they have his own brand 1490 01:33:50,730 --> 01:33:55,230 and misogyny common and massage and misogyny, misogyny and war. 1491 01:33:55,620 --> 01:33:58,350 So it's like misogyny and war mixed together. So Black 1492 01:33:58,350 --> 01:34:00,510 misogyny is what it represents. 1493 01:34:00,630 --> 01:34:04,410 But as I was processing it, I said that this narrative 1494 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:10,920 bolstered by the ice cubes 50 cent P Diddy conversations has 1495 01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:16,230 have been several women I'm not you know, get into those names 1496 01:34:16,260 --> 01:34:17,100 saying these are 1497 01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:18,629 the only black men she knows. 1498 01:34:19,229 --> 01:34:23,669 No, that was the one. No, no, that was the defectors remember 1499 01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:26,609 that that's the one that will push them to Trump's tax tax 1500 01:34:26,609 --> 01:34:30,119 cut. If she was like, Let's go talk to Trump. Yeah, about 1501 01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:33,629 Suzanne. See, what do you know the platinum plan had? 1502 01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,730 Oh, yes. The Platinum plan. Oh, man, that was so hilarious. 1503 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:39,870 Yeah. 1504 01:34:39,900 --> 01:34:43,620 50 cent stepped on line and said I'm not paying 67% in taxes, Joe 1505 01:34:43,620 --> 01:34:46,290 Biden tripping that kind of thing. So this is this is why 1506 01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:48,360 they she's laying their names out. Right. I 1507 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:53,220 remember now. Yes. I just remember Trump's platinum plan. 1508 01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:58,380 That was fantastic. How hilarious was that? Yeah, great 1509 01:34:58,380 --> 01:34:58,980 marketer. 1510 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,870 Women, I'm not going to get into those names saying these things 1511 01:35:03,870 --> 01:35:08,130 about black men in particular, I'm saying to myself, Why is 1512 01:35:08,130 --> 01:35:12,390 this happening? Why are you doing this? Why now? Why? And, 1513 01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:16,980 you know, why was it necessary? So apparently, she was having 1514 01:35:16,980 --> 01:35:19,980 some conversations with somebody and then went to the Twitter 1515 01:35:20,130 --> 01:35:23,460 sphere. And I'm saying, at some point, we're gonna have to have 1516 01:35:23,550 --> 01:35:28,410 Twitter discipline, all things are permissible, all things are 1517 01:35:28,410 --> 01:35:31,920 not beneficial. This was not beneficial. And here's what it 1518 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,570 does. Because let me just be 100%, clear. Black men are 1519 01:35:36,570 --> 01:35:42,210 important. Black women are important. All black people 1520 01:35:42,330 --> 01:35:46,740 report, you know, like, it's, it's silly for us to have these 1521 01:35:46,890 --> 01:35:50,670 conflicts, and they're not real. So let me just give you the 1522 01:35:50,670 --> 01:35:54,420 real. Here's the real, the real deal is there's no war between 1523 01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:58,920 black men and black women, there seems to be on social media, a 1524 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:06,480 very, very small minut very loud faction on both sides doing this 1525 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:11,370 thing. Now. Is it beneficial? No, it's not. It's not. In fact, 1526 01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,100 it is detrimental to the things that we want to get done. 1527 01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:19,980 Ooh, stop doing that. And that's to get Biden elected. For things 1528 01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:25,050 we want, and this is why she's so torn up over this is because 1529 01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:29,100 like, don't you see, we need all the votes combined, you know, 1530 01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:33,360 these wages is gonna ruin it for you know, the, the Chancellor 1531 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,350 Joe Biden again, that's that you're hearing this. So that's 1532 01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:42,090 the spectrum that she's looking through to say, and there is a 1533 01:36:42,090 --> 01:36:45,750 gender war? No, no, no doubt about it. And it's not just only 1534 01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:49,950 in black people saying what black people, but it's far more 1535 01:36:52,890 --> 01:36:57,000 impactful, I would say, because when you factor in poverty, when 1536 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,580 you factor in the family court system, how it 1537 01:36:59,850 --> 01:37:03,750 leans have this go this goes back to no man about the house? 1538 01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:08,850 Exactly. But for some odd reason. No, actually, you know, 1539 01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,150 we've dealt with the black man, we just we did kill him and the 1540 01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:14,790 murder of the black man. Now we're just that everything's the 1541 01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:15,690 white man's fault. 1542 01:37:17,460 --> 01:37:25,350 But at the same time they have to do things like this, they had 1543 01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:27,990 to do things like draw it and read it some white man 1544 01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:32,700 somewhere, is telling them what to say. Yes. Okay, so, and this 1545 01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:37,560 is what go back to the point about like, taking the taking 1546 01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:41,790 from us. This is the this is the I must say it and people get mad 1547 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:45,300 at me. I don't care how you can't counsel me. A lot of 1548 01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:48,600 people feel like the white power structure have taken our women. 1549 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,680 Oh, I understand that saying the same way we say about taking our 1550 01:37:52,680 --> 01:38:00,000 culture they have taken out and let me flesh that out. When you 1551 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,380 look at the Supreme Court Justice, when you look at Kamala 1552 01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:08,340 Harris, when you listen to these women talking joy and read, you 1553 01:38:08,340 --> 01:38:13,290 will give the perception that that white supremacy, the real 1554 01:38:13,290 --> 01:38:16,710 white supremacy, the One World Government, white supremacy over 1555 01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:22,950 their own men, and we should just shut up and like, Okay, I'm 1556 01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:24,990 gonna do what mas attempting to do, and you just shut up and be 1557 01:38:24,990 --> 01:38:29,610 okay with it. And a lot of men like no, I rather be alone. And 1558 01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:34,110 this is where this is the whole route of the black gender war. 1559 01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:37,260 Now, I can't speak for any other gender war. I mean, I know 1560 01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:39,540 there's some commonalities. But so let me 1561 01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:42,510 let me play this back to you. So you just mentioned a whole bunch 1562 01:38:42,510 --> 01:38:46,920 of black women who are not a Das. So when you say taking our 1563 01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,640 women, do you mean taking the identity of the women are 1564 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,760 literally taking Okay, the identity that's what I got it? 1565 01:38:54,630 --> 01:39:02,730 Yeah. So so by saying Kamala, Joy read all the British names. 1566 01:39:03,420 --> 01:39:06,540 It's like you're you're from Ireland, you know, from 1567 01:39:06,540 --> 01:39:09,900 Caribbean descent. Not exactly the same thing yet. You're 1568 01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:15,630 representing a DOS women? Exactly. Got it. Okay, that's 1569 01:39:15,630 --> 01:39:16,800 100% True. 1570 01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:22,140 And ideas that come with that. I mean, because it said ideas that 1571 01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:25,350 black man Shut up, get to the back, you know, will also 1572 01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:29,730 by that, by that logic by that logic, they took the presidency 1573 01:39:29,730 --> 01:39:36,000 from you. Yes, because Obama was not eight us is that still isn't 1574 01:39:36,030 --> 01:39:38,670 to this day. It's not going to change. He's still the 1575 01:39:38,670 --> 01:39:39,150 president. 1576 01:39:40,590 --> 01:39:41,940 It's not who we are. 1577 01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:46,860 So, I guess let's go on record with wrap up this last clip and 1578 01:39:46,860 --> 01:39:47,820 then we could thank some people. 1579 01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:51,870 Everybody's blaming black men, for Trump, right? I'm gonna give 1580 01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:55,530 you the actual numbers here. The numbers. Black men with college 1581 01:39:55,530 --> 01:39:59,490 degrees. 78% of black men with college degrees voted for 1582 01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:04,080 Hillary Clinton, Hillary Parkland 78% Lori I'm not good 1583 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:08,490 at math. Is that like the vast majority of black men? With 1584 01:40:08,490 --> 01:40:09,570 College? whelming 1585 01:40:09,569 --> 01:40:11,549 and vast majority? Yeah. All right. 1586 01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:17,400 Oh, black men with no college degrees 82% of black men without 1587 01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:23,130 college degrees voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton. 11% 1588 01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:27,330 voted for Trump 16% of black men with college degrees, which I 1589 01:40:27,330 --> 01:40:32,100 think is interesting. Because, yeah, that's a whole other 1590 01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:34,860 conversation that we should have at some point, too, but they're 1591 01:40:34,860 --> 01:40:38,190 different conversations. You know, it's not all and we doing 1592 01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:43,620 this lumping in, like all black men, no, no matter of fact, 70% 1593 01:40:43,620 --> 01:40:47,760 with degrees voted for Hillary 82% Without degrees voted for 1594 01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,780 Hillary now, and juxtaposition of black women 91% of black 1595 01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:55,560 woman 91% of black women with college degrees, 6% of those 1596 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,620 same black women voted for Trump. So let's just do I don't 1597 01:40:58,620 --> 01:41:02,340 know who y'all are. You know, I want to shame you with a college 1598 01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:05,220 degree. 6% of you voted for Donald Trump. But yes, this 1599 01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:08,580 You're right. You know, it's your right. You know, I we are 1600 01:41:08,580 --> 01:41:11,700 free people. We're free to do dumb things. 1601 01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:14,730 Don't you dare do that again. 1602 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,100 Are we free people who? 1603 01:41:18,689 --> 01:41:21,359 Is anybody free? Mo is any people free? 1604 01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:25,590 Yeah, we are? And if you want to Yes, right. It's the producers. 1605 01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,290 That's right. That's right, exactly. 1606 01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:31,860 The white man in the black men have to be able to sit down at 1607 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:34,920 the same table, the right man has to feel free to speak his 1608 01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,560 mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the 1609 01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,620 so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without 1610 01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:43,320 hurting the feeling of the right man, then they can bring the 1611 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,050 issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take 1612 01:41:46,050 --> 01:41:48,390 an intelligent approach to get the problem themselves. That's 1613 01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:49,890 the only way we'll ever do it. 1614 01:41:51,930 --> 01:41:55,350 Exactly what we do here. And as we've discussed throughout the 1615 01:41:55,350 --> 01:42:00,600 show, this is a value for value production, which means we have 1616 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:05,250 taken that vo a vow of poverty, there is no way that walking 1617 01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:08,820 down the middle rocking out the middle of the aisle is a very 1618 01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:11,940 profitable business. But that's also not why we're doing it. 1619 01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:14,100 We're here to learn. And here to make things better. You just 1620 01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:16,890 heard the legendary words of Malcolm X saying that that is 1621 01:42:16,890 --> 01:42:20,850 the only way and that's exactly what we've chosen to do. Now. We 1622 01:42:20,850 --> 01:42:24,510 do have bills to pay. And as you know, Moe has stood up for 1623 01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:31,380 himself and chosen this life over a row the virtual servitude 1624 01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:36,570 to the man, including something he did a medical procedure he 1625 01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:41,790 did not want. And I'm patently on hireable. So help, please, 1626 01:42:41,820 --> 01:42:48,480 thank you. You could do that by going to fax.com and go into the 1627 01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:52,980 donation page or directly to that page at mo fund mi mo e fu 1628 01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:57,120 n d m e.com. And we'll talk about the way to do it in a 1629 01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,240 modern podcast app in a moment. So let's thank our executive 1630 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:04,860 producers for episode number 80. And we kick it off with Well, 1631 01:43:04,860 --> 01:43:08,490 our big baller for the day this is servants. 1632 01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:14,520 Shot Caller 20 his blades on the Impala $400 1633 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,790 And we really appreciate that he's the Baron of Florida Obama 1634 01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:20,580 and he says Keep up the great work we appreciate it servants 1635 01:43:22,020 --> 01:43:27,960 og famp arts are og FOMK. We've seen this name pop up in several 1636 01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:32,070 show shows a $200 paying attention to everything that og 1637 01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:40,410 funk.com supports mo facts og fomk.com. Check it out. Since we 1638 01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:43,410 we missed a show, we have a couple of doubles. So we've 1639 01:43:43,410 --> 01:43:47,130 added those up. By the way, Moe if I can just compliment you. I 1640 01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:50,490 think the show has really turned a corner. We now have color 1641 01:43:50,490 --> 01:43:55,290 coding on on the spreadsheet. This is this is proven is 1642 01:43:55,290 --> 01:44:01,200 professionalized. I'm very impressed. I like it a lot. Be 1643 01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:07,530 careful, careful, slow down now. Ramon Luma comes in with two 1644 01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:11,040 donations. $100.25. So we combine those two 125 1645 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,810 appreciated and he says thank you mopes. This $100 from Derek 1646 01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:18,480 Hawkins, who is from Derek Hawkins, who asked me to help 1647 01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:21,210 send money to produce the show. This is Derek's first donation. 1648 01:44:21,390 --> 01:44:23,550 Oh, okay. That's nice. So please didn't beat him. 1649 01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:28,769 Congratulations. You're no longer 1650 01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:33,420 a deadbeat. And then he also says the $25 is for me, the next 1651 01:44:33,420 --> 01:44:35,790 few months are going to be tight. But I'll promise I'll 1652 01:44:35,790 --> 01:44:38,040 come in higher in the summer. Appreciate what you and Adam are 1653 01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,760 doing. Ramon Varma. So we should make at least we'll put them 1654 01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,430 both on the list. I want to make sure we get Derek in there. 1655 01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:47,040 Since it was after all his donation. So 1656 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,010 yeah. And that's I think combining them was probably the 1657 01:44:50,010 --> 01:44:51,150 wrong thing to do. 1658 01:44:51,630 --> 01:44:55,170 Yeah, but that's okay. Because they're brothers helping each 1659 01:44:55,170 --> 01:44:57,000 other here. So it'll work 1660 01:44:57,240 --> 01:45:00,780 and it starts, it's time to start calling out debt. Big so 1661 01:45:01,470 --> 01:45:04,050 that's the deadbeat Deluxe. You wanna you want to re premiere 1662 01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:04,290 that 1663 01:45:04,890 --> 01:45:10,260 the deadbeat Deluxe away? Yes, I do want to premiere that 1664 01:45:10,469 --> 01:45:13,349 the deadbeat Deluxe actually sorry. 1665 01:45:14,849 --> 01:45:19,889 Nice. I gotta find a spot for that on the jingle rack. We move 1666 01:45:19,889 --> 01:45:24,869 on to Lacey Romo with 111. For the facts, family projects. Yes, 1667 01:45:24,869 --> 01:45:28,919 thank you very much anonymous C with a C note but no written 1668 01:45:28,919 --> 01:45:33,539 note $100 gauge a awesome podcast. $100 Thank you very 1669 01:45:33,539 --> 01:45:38,699 much. We have brandy Bledsoe, who comes in with the 44 dot 44 1670 01:45:38,699 --> 01:45:42,269 twice for 8888 Keep on shining your light blessings and love 1671 01:45:42,269 --> 01:45:45,899 from Mama be of course, and her second note Peace and Love and 1672 01:45:45,899 --> 01:45:49,709 blessings, fam. I was how was the fax fam doing? 1673 01:45:50,069 --> 01:45:56,189 Everybody's going? Great. The experiment of homeschooling was 1674 01:45:56,189 --> 01:46:01,559 successful. Oh, good. Um, got my other business up and running. 1675 01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:06,179 So that's been helpful. time consuming. They were saying 1676 01:46:06,329 --> 01:46:10,499 upfront, but no, that's going good man. Everybody's doing well 1677 01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:12,450 tell you. You're in the hustle, 1678 01:46:13,170 --> 01:46:17,460 hustling, getting getting hired? You know, what? Can I can I can 1679 01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:22,170 I share a quick story? Short Course. So I'm going to meet the 1680 01:46:22,170 --> 01:46:24,930 rep for the business. I'm working for a nurse and he's 1681 01:46:24,930 --> 01:46:28,410 just there for orientation. And I show it like 15 minutes late. 1682 01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:29,910 Imagine that me being like, 1683 01:46:29,939 --> 01:46:33,239 oh, no, no, no, no, this that's so stereotypical. Don't say 1684 01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:33,509 these. 1685 01:46:35,220 --> 01:46:38,550 Door, he's lying. Like when I say six o'clock? I mean, like, 1686 01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:45,780 come on. I mean, six o'clock. Am I was like, I was like, I 1687 01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:48,780 invested in my own business. I could be 15 minutes late. And 1688 01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:49,440 like, you know, saying 1689 01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:52,980 like, exactly isn't that nice? I know. 1690 01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:56,220 It's worth every penny, repeating where you can be able 1691 01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:59,820 to say not in a bad way. But just like, the bosses, know, 1692 01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:01,200 bosses easy. I had 1693 01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,260 my own experience like that. Now, I've been my own boss for 1694 01:47:04,290 --> 01:47:10,050 for well over 15 years. And I love it. And so recently, I had 1695 01:47:10,050 --> 01:47:13,230 one of those moments myself, where, for a whole bunch of 1696 01:47:13,230 --> 01:47:16,830 reasons of where I was living at the time, for over a decade, 1697 01:47:16,860 --> 01:47:22,020 I've been getting up at 5am Twice a week on Thursdays and 1698 01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,510 Sundays to do the no agenda show. And that's just for the 1699 01:47:24,510 --> 01:47:30,120 prep, and I need to do it on the day of etcetera. And, and I 1700 01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:34,560 finally said, you know, this is crazy. It's like, I'm the boss 1701 01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,350 of me, it's a podcast, I want to get up at seven. Because you 1702 01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:40,380 know, what happens is, you get up at five, two days a week, and 1703 01:47:40,380 --> 01:47:43,350 you get up at five every day. It's something about men too, is 1704 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:48,540 like, just we got one time and we programmed it in our brain 1705 01:47:48,540 --> 01:47:52,950 and that's what we do. I want it to be seven, you know? And I 1706 01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:55,560 said it I wanted to be and you know, people push back like, Oh 1707 01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,470 my God, you're gonna upset the balance of the universe. If we 1708 01:47:58,470 --> 01:48:03,420 can't listen live. Hey, I live in India. That sucks. It's too 1709 01:48:03,420 --> 01:48:07,470 late for me. I said, No, I am my own boss for a reason. I want to 1710 01:48:07,470 --> 01:48:10,950 get up at seven. I'm moving up towards 60 years old. I want to 1711 01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:16,080 and you able to do that and it's great. Now it's still a vow of 1712 01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,070 poverty. So 1713 01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:22,650 we have to listen to the all the many bosses that we have. And 1714 01:48:22,650 --> 01:48:26,670 yes, exactly. We'd love their understanding. But yeah, that 1715 01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:28,710 was that was a great feeling. That was my first 1716 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,910 congratulate. Congratulations. Good. Good. It's a great 1717 01:48:32,910 --> 01:48:39,870 feeling. Raymond Barry $80.69 Sir Vegas Ray native says city 1718 01:48:39,930 --> 01:48:42,510 of Naked City, Las Vegas, Nevada. Keep up the good work 1719 01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:45,720 and he's got to some eyes a thumbs up and a smile emoji. 1720 01:48:46,290 --> 01:48:49,620 Erica Lane $80 No, no, but we appreciate it. Eric Daniel 1721 01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:54,090 Fletcher tune, two different donations 35 and 3570 combined. 1722 01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:57,540 And he says thanks. Here's another one. Anonymous gee whiz 1723 01:48:57,540 --> 01:49:03,060 5445 No note anonymous value for value much love. Thank you. 1724 01:49:04,380 --> 01:49:08,040 Triggered can't Tigard can't $51 Thanks for another little 1725 01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,760 lesson. Mo keep it up. Then we have our Associate Executive 1726 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:16,650 Producers $50 from Douglas Moog from Marcus Hazzard who says I 1727 01:49:16,650 --> 01:49:19,830 need that phone chirp again. I'm about to ask my girl's father 1728 01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:23,610 for her hand in marriage. I need all the blessings that I can get 1729 01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:25,500 hold on a second. All right. 1730 01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:29,670 Neeson next tell us the future. All right, crank 1731 01:49:29,670 --> 01:49:33,330 it up. For yourself good done it let's say you don't want more 1732 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,870 because we really wanted to say Yes, ma'am. Let us know if that 1733 01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:43,050 works. Then we have sir beachbum $50 love the show Mo has an 1734 01:49:43,050 --> 01:49:45,690 affinity for laying out the facts and then hitting you with 1735 01:49:45,690 --> 01:49:50,610 a zinger at the end. Keep it up. That is indeed the formula. ABM 1736 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:55,830 $50. Thanks for the value and Brian are also $50 I love what 1737 01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:58,440 you do keep posting on Instagram when you have a new episode or 1738 01:49:58,440 --> 01:50:02,430 YouTube it's pretty much the only way I hear about it. Okay, 1739 01:50:02,460 --> 01:50:04,860 yeah, you can also use the podcast app and you'll be 1740 01:50:04,860 --> 01:50:09,450 notified. That's another way to do it. Martine Benedictus $25 1741 01:50:09,450 --> 01:50:12,450 times two so 50 He scores the Associate Executive Producer 1742 01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:16,530 ship today the last one, two messages for the tune for the 1743 01:50:16,530 --> 01:50:19,170 two different donations. Thank you for the great podcast hope 1744 01:50:19,170 --> 01:50:23,490 you're doing well and GBG which technically should be a hashtag 1745 01:50:23,490 --> 01:50:27,900 GBG I guess when we tried to launch that as a hashtag 1746 01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:34,980 town sign No. 1747 01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:41,280 Saint, same amount of space speaking you know, hash a pound 1748 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:45,000 sign. I'm bringing I'm gonna bring you back. This my house 1749 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:45,270 sign 1750 01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:48,210 okay, you bring all right, let me know how that works out Mo. 1751 01:50:49,770 --> 01:50:51,540 People, you saw how effective that was. 1752 01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:57,600 And then a couple of booster grams. 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Cuz I think this is a 1784 01:53:08,670 --> 01:53:12,780 really shaped which way this country goes. You know, I'm not 1785 01:53:13,260 --> 01:53:17,700 I'm not being you know, overflight. If when I say that, 1786 01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:20,820 we own a twit teetering right now. Well, 1787 01:53:21,149 --> 01:53:26,279 what's interesting, now that I understand Black Twitter, and 1788 01:53:26,279 --> 01:53:29,729 the manipulation and how powerful it is certainly what it 1789 01:53:29,729 --> 01:53:35,549 did with Black Lives. Hashtag Black Lives Matter, Inc. I 1790 01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:44,429 wonder if Elon Musk's understands that mechanism? Yes. 1791 01:53:44,429 --> 01:53:47,879 He understands how powerful it is. Yes, I'm sure he understood 1792 01:53:47,909 --> 01:53:54,359 it. He sees how it drove black lives matter. But I'm not sure 1793 01:53:54,359 --> 01:53:57,869 if he completely understands the whole mechanism as we just 1794 01:53:57,899 --> 01:54:01,109 discussed in the last two hours. I don't think so. Actually, 1795 01:54:01,379 --> 01:54:04,109 I don't think a lot of people do and not just to toot our horn, 1796 01:54:04,109 --> 01:54:07,379 but I think it's due when you get caught in an echo chamber. 1797 01:54:08,039 --> 01:54:10,919 You believe Black Twitter is black, representing a 1798 01:54:10,979 --> 01:54:15,629 representative of black. Exactly, exactly. And then you 1799 01:54:15,629 --> 01:54:19,139 hear people like this guy. So this is a this is a power user. 1800 01:54:20,399 --> 01:54:24,569 Le MyStyle Are you familiar with him? name rings a bell but 1801 01:54:24,569 --> 01:54:28,319 knocking give you an image a black guy with a big white afro. 1802 01:54:28,410 --> 01:54:33,780 Oh, that guy. Oh, yeah. MSNBC. Oh, I love to hate that guy. 1803 01:54:33,780 --> 01:54:38,580 He's a hate watch. So total hate watch 1804 01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:42,660 and you do it that number 20. I can't get it. 1805 01:54:43,890 --> 01:54:46,800 next guest has committed to making a few changes over the 1806 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,670 next 50 weeks. He's listed his goals for all to see but the one 1807 01:54:50,670 --> 01:54:54,300 that got me listening is the last one. He says he's got to 1808 01:54:54,300 --> 01:54:57,990 avoid Twitter fights with white people. He doesn't respect over 1809 01:54:57,990 --> 01:55:01,170 issues that they don't understand it And my friend is 1810 01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:06,300 here to talk about that with us today. Welcome back to Le misto, 1811 01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:10,410 Justice correspondent for The Nation and social media sage, I 1812 01:55:10,410 --> 01:55:13,050 would love for you to just start off by, you know, as one of the 1813 01:55:13,050 --> 01:55:17,760 most prolific voices I believe on social media. Talk to us 1814 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,030 about your strategy for using those platforms. 1815 01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:27,750 Yeah, it's going so poorly for me in my attempts to keep my 1816 01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:31,170 blood pressure down from engaging with these fools on 1817 01:55:31,170 --> 01:55:34,350 social media. But let's start at the beginning, right? Like why 1818 01:55:34,350 --> 01:55:38,940 do I do this at all right? And a big part of the reason why I am 1819 01:55:38,940 --> 01:55:42,600 vociferous and bombastic and always kind of ready to throw 1820 01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:47,940 down and throw hands on social media, is because I have a 1821 01:55:47,940 --> 01:55:53,070 platform and thus, I believe, a duty to do it, right. There are 1822 01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:57,420 a lot of people who agree with me, there are a lot of black 1823 01:55:57,420 --> 01:56:01,020 people, especially in professional environments, who 1824 01:56:01,050 --> 01:56:06,090 cannot say the kinds of things that I can say to these people, 1825 01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,490 because they have to worry about their job, they have to worry 1826 01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:10,710 about their paper, they have to worry about the boss that might 1827 01:56:10,710 --> 01:56:13,320 be listening, looking over their shoulder. There are lots of good 1828 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:18,540 reasons why lots of smart black people smart lawyer tight black 1829 01:56:18,540 --> 01:56:23,280 people cannot go all in on these people. I can't 1830 01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:31,290 pop this guy. Smart. Educated. This guy has very little 1831 01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:34,980 background. I mean, Harvard Law 1832 01:56:34,980 --> 01:56:36,210 very little backbone. Why 1833 01:56:38,729 --> 01:56:42,839 this? Yes. But it's really interesting. Where's this guy 1834 01:56:42,839 --> 01:56:43,979 from in his 1835 01:56:44,010 --> 01:56:47,070 he fell out in one of those and other people fell out the sky? 1836 01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:47,520 Well, his 1837 01:56:47,550 --> 01:56:52,290 his wiki page reads like, interestingly enough, a spook. I 1838 01:56:52,290 --> 01:56:55,170 mean, it doesn't even have where he grew up. I mean, they, 1839 01:56:55,470 --> 01:56:57,300 they're always trying to get that balance. Right. 1840 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,600 And Malcolm, you mentioned the name before. They Malcolm Nance 1841 01:57:03,690 --> 01:57:07,140 mountain Max, they showed up about the same time. And he's, 1842 01:57:07,290 --> 01:57:14,370 he's like being pushed as the authority of the Constitution. 1843 01:57:14,730 --> 01:57:21,660 Yeah, which book? Yeah, his book is Godless carry. Do you think 1844 01:57:21,660 --> 01:57:27,600 his book is? Not so he's on the front of his book cover, and he 1845 01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:31,650 has his big white afro, it looks like a toadstool off of Mario 1846 01:57:31,650 --> 01:57:35,070 Brothers. And yeah, I'm roasting him. But a simple fact is, he 1847 01:57:35,070 --> 01:57:37,980 goes out here like he represents all black men, 1848 01:57:38,010 --> 01:57:40,230 you know, where he's, you know, where he's from, where he was 1849 01:57:40,230 --> 01:57:40,710 born? 1850 01:57:41,130 --> 01:57:50,550 Where Where do you think? Ah, Quantico. Haiti. See, that's 1851 01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:56,190 that's if anybody realized, and this is not this is no distance 1852 01:57:56,190 --> 01:57:59,670 and not not a Das. Not foundational, black people in 1853 01:57:59,670 --> 01:58:02,760 America, because we have a lot way more allies than detractors. 1854 01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:08,130 But do we see an over representation? Of in the media? 1855 01:58:08,730 --> 01:58:09,540 of non 1856 01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:13,019 Yes, yes, yes, of course we do. 1857 01:58:14,370 --> 01:58:19,590 And that's because they either don't, when I was saying about a 1858 01:58:19,620 --> 01:58:23,610 joy of reading other clips, there's something inside of me, 1859 01:58:24,150 --> 01:58:29,370 that wouldn't allow me to say those things and portray black 1860 01:58:29,370 --> 01:58:32,700 people in that way, nor how they were done with COINTELPRO. nor 1861 01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:35,460 how the Panthers were done, you know, put putting aside how this 1862 01:58:35,460 --> 01:58:38,310 pans were put together, but just talking about the media to 1863 01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:39,990 illustrate me how they will illustrate in the media 1864 01:58:40,020 --> 01:58:44,400 immediately. So but I think they lacked that in some ways. 1865 01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:50,700 Yes. Well, they're phonies. They've just found He's the 1866 01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:52,170 former the imposters 1867 01:58:53,130 --> 01:58:56,370 and you have this guy coming out here like he represents like, 1868 01:58:56,370 --> 01:58:59,490 say black black people, and he goes on Black Twitter, but 1869 01:58:59,490 --> 01:59:03,090 you've noticed he was very specific and even, you know, 1870 01:59:03,090 --> 01:59:05,970 saying, Oh, the professional. No, this is that. 1871 01:59:06,990 --> 01:59:11,160 Yes, yes. Here's a question that so I'm looking at older 1872 01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:16,020 pictures. This this white fro is a new deal for him. 1873 01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,590 It is and I'm gonna go to that. I'm gonna continue with the 1874 01:59:19,590 --> 01:59:19,950 rose. 1875 01:59:21,090 --> 01:59:25,740 I have learned so much about black. I'm so proud of myself. 1876 01:59:25,770 --> 01:59:32,220 White headed black man is often seen as less threatening. Uncle 1877 01:59:32,220 --> 01:59:32,850 Ben 1878 01:59:34,979 --> 01:59:37,319 Benson. Benson. Benson. Yeah. 1879 01:59:38,910 --> 01:59:45,210 All white no facial hair, no. Pants, no, nothing. assemblance 1880 01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:50,490 of masculinity. And I'm not like I said he put himself in this 1881 01:59:50,490 --> 01:59:54,240 position is that he speaks for me. So this is my critique. My 1882 01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:59,580 they said they speak for me. No, you don't speak for me. And I 1883 01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:01,920 don't speak For all black men, that's why I always say these 1884 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:05,700 are my this is I speak for myself. And now there are there 1885 02:00:05,700 --> 02:00:08,730 are people that think like me, yes. But I don't go out and say 1886 02:00:08,730 --> 02:00:12,180 all black men think this and all black, no. But he does that. And 1887 02:00:12,180 --> 02:00:18,180 he's brought in to do that. And he says, I'm very used that term 1888 02:00:18,180 --> 02:00:22,140 problematic things about black men. So that this is this is 1889 02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:25,860 where this is coming from. So because when you start having 1890 02:00:25,890 --> 02:00:29,160 this kind of like when you have a person of that group, go out 1891 02:00:29,160 --> 02:00:33,060 and criticize that group, it has holds more weight, right? And 1892 02:00:33,060 --> 02:00:36,540 that's why they're using him, but he does not, you know, let's 1893 02:00:36,540 --> 02:00:41,520 say not very that that white afro, is very non threatening or 1894 02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,420 purposeful, right? Oh, so let's go and get into 21 1895 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,210 My starting point for a clap back, I should say, is there 1896 02:00:48,210 --> 02:00:52,320 something that I can say or do or point out here, that other 1897 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:56,910 people, you know, are gonna, you know, are gonna agree with or 1898 02:00:56,940 --> 02:01:00,990 one out there to be said, but I'm one of the only people that 1899 02:01:00,990 --> 02:01:04,860 can say it kind of correctly. And if that's bar is crossed, I 1900 02:01:04,860 --> 02:01:08,130 am happy to kind of get in there. Get into the weeds get 1901 02:01:08,130 --> 02:01:11,250 into the muck and throw down you know, they say you wrestle with 1902 02:01:11,250 --> 02:01:13,530 the pig. don't wrestle the pig, because you're both gonna get 1903 02:01:13,530 --> 02:01:16,950 dirty. Yeah, whatever. I take shower. All right, like I don't 1904 02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:20,670 mind getting dirty. That's what it takes to push the point 1905 02:01:20,670 --> 02:01:21,150 across. 1906 02:01:21,389 --> 02:01:26,099 Wow, this is so offensive. Now that we know this guy's from 1907 02:01:26,099 --> 02:01:31,349 Haiti keys she's like, Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Just as bad for me 1908 02:01:31,349 --> 02:01:31,769 bro. 1909 02:01:32,460 --> 02:01:37,350 That you see what I'm saying? They take they take our stuff. 1910 02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:42,030 And did he take did he take your your did he take black America's 1911 02:01:42,030 --> 02:01:45,810 favorite cleaning product and appropriate that too? Was that 1912 02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:51,690 he said shout or because? Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. Isn't a tie 1913 02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:53,220 tied? I mean, 1914 02:01:53,730 --> 02:01:56,010 is what you put on a really tough stain. So he's 1915 02:01:56,010 --> 02:01:57,720 appropriating everything? 1916 02:01:58,620 --> 02:02:00,810 I mean, it's one thing to use it because that's where I how I 1917 02:02:00,810 --> 02:02:04,620 learned to wash from my black roommate in college. Would you 1918 02:02:04,620 --> 02:02:07,830 not going to virtue signal with that if you're from Haiti? 1919 02:02:08,730 --> 02:02:12,930 Everything about them is learned through pop culture. Yeah, but 1920 02:02:12,930 --> 02:02:17,370 that's why it's over. It's not rooted in anything. It's not no 1921 02:02:17,370 --> 02:02:23,670 the it's certain things you can say. And it's just that it's 1922 02:02:23,700 --> 02:02:28,710 ruthless I start because it's it's a lived experience. And 1923 02:02:28,740 --> 02:02:33,330 that's why you can tell the authentic version of it against 1924 02:02:33,330 --> 02:02:34,980 you know, the manufacturer version of 1925 02:02:35,069 --> 02:02:37,829 it. This guy has not lived the shout a shout it out life. 1926 02:02:39,210 --> 02:02:40,290 He does his own laundry. 1927 02:02:42,060 --> 02:02:43,290 I'm gonna continue with the clip. I 1928 02:02:44,250 --> 02:02:47,430 mean, says this right quick because this is owned the BNC 1929 02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:51,420 the black news channel, which is now defunct. Yeah, and it just 1930 02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:54,870 goes to show you that you can't you can bring me in your Charles 1931 02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:59,730 blows. You can bring in your mark Lamont Hills is not gonna 1932 02:02:59,730 --> 02:03:03,810 work. These people don't speak. They don't have they have. It's 1933 02:03:03,810 --> 02:03:06,180 kind of like when people buy Jordans. But they don't know how 1934 02:03:06,180 --> 02:03:11,040 to put through the license. You could have the shoes, but you 1935 02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,110 don't know how to rock them. Right. And they just don't know 1936 02:03:13,110 --> 02:03:13,890 how to rock it. Right. 1937 02:03:14,670 --> 02:03:15,690 And it shows 1938 02:03:17,550 --> 02:03:21,330 Well, you know, you deal with a lot of dogs. But I gotta say, I 1939 02:03:21,330 --> 02:03:23,790 don't think you get up with fleas. And I actually appreciate 1940 02:03:23,790 --> 02:03:27,060 you taking them off and team and being out there. Because you see 1941 02:03:27,060 --> 02:03:30,090 a lot of stuff that I wish that I would say and I don't even 1942 02:03:30,090 --> 02:03:34,530 know why I just don't I would love for you to tell us some of 1943 02:03:34,530 --> 02:03:38,970 the you know, craziest fights that you are having on social 1944 02:03:38,970 --> 02:03:42,540 media right now that are really meaningful, you're engaging in 1945 02:03:42,540 --> 02:03:45,090 them because you really see an opportunity to move the 1946 02:03:45,090 --> 02:03:47,250 conversation or at least, like 1947 02:03:47,370 --> 02:03:51,390 goodness, so this so the oh, he's the warrior now I get it. 1948 02:03:51,420 --> 02:03:55,320 That's what he does. He does that all day professionally on 1949 02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:55,950 Twitter. 1950 02:03:56,130 --> 02:03:59,970 But that's the thing. The irony of it is like Donald Trump does 1951 02:03:59,970 --> 02:04:03,180 with twitter feed 45 Savage does with news and Twitter Thrive 1952 02:04:03,180 --> 02:04:07,740 Twitter. Right, but this is what they want. scaps like us? Yeah, 1953 02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:12,570 the point is, yeah, okay. Just pull 1954 02:04:12,569 --> 02:04:13,709 it more. 1955 02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:19,140 Yeah, look, I focus on the courts. And so I get a lot of I 1956 02:04:19,140 --> 02:04:23,970 get a lot of people who are kind of from that world who have some 1957 02:04:23,970 --> 02:04:28,920 legal training who simply aren't used to having to, to hear what 1958 02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:31,650 the courts look like and how they sound like from the 1959 02:04:31,650 --> 02:04:35,250 perspective of a black person, and they show up on my feet with 1960 02:04:35,250 --> 02:04:39,810 like, concerns, kind of not understanding that I'm an expert 1961 02:04:39,810 --> 02:04:43,050 in this that I've been doing this for 10 years, but like 1962 02:04:43,380 --> 02:04:44,400 that I'm black 1963 02:04:49,140 --> 02:04:52,050 that's the power user right there. Yeah. So and this next 1964 02:04:52,050 --> 02:04:56,970 clip, you said it, and this one I told you goggles because 1965 02:04:57,270 --> 02:05:01,710 you're gonna hear him try to launch a meme or launch a hash 1966 02:05:01,710 --> 02:05:06,780 tag, what you just said, was him trying to launch a hash tag, and 1967 02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:09,930 it failed. So let's go ahead and listen to it. And I want to hear 1968 02:05:09,930 --> 02:05:12,090 your, your opinion on the other side. 1969 02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:16,800 I live in Florida. So I'm like on ground zero. All of this is 1970 02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:20,310 happening. I'm out of my mind about the bills banning 1971 02:05:20,340 --> 02:05:25,080 conversations about race and ethnicity and and LGBTQ, just 1972 02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:29,400 even mentioning gender identity in primary schools, but some 1973 02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:32,910 will say Okay, so are you arguing for throwing out the 1974 02:05:32,910 --> 02:05:35,340 Constitution? Should the constitution be thrown out? What 1975 02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:38,160 do we do this? Is it a living document? Is it a or is it a 1976 02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:39,180 sacred document? It's 1977 02:05:39,180 --> 02:05:41,460 certainly not sacred. Alright, let's start with the 1978 02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:44,760 Constitution is kind of trash. But let's just again, let's just 1979 02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:47,340 talk as adults first What did you say it's why it's kind of 1980 02:05:47,340 --> 02:05:51,060 Trash Trash. It was it was written by slavers and colonists 1981 02:05:51,090 --> 02:05:53,430 and white people who were willing to make deals with 1982 02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:55,830 slavers and colonists, they didn't ask anybody looked like 1983 02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:57,870 me. But they thought about the Constitution. They didn't say, 1984 02:05:57,870 --> 02:05:59,760 oh, Jim, come over here. What do you think about this old 1985 02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:04,800 constitution? Well, Massa, I show don't lock. So my children 1986 02:06:06,150 --> 02:06:06,720 got to say 1987 02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:11,550 his ancestors spoke French. Yeah, phony Oh, 1988 02:06:13,319 --> 02:06:16,379 my grandfather, you say, ain't no taxation without 1989 02:06:16,379 --> 02:06:20,189 representation from Massa. That's not what happened. This 1990 02:06:20,189 --> 02:06:23,639 document was written without the consent of black and brown 1991 02:06:23,639 --> 02:06:26,069 people in this country and without the consent of women in 1992 02:06:26,069 --> 02:06:29,399 this country. And I say if that if that is the starting point, 1993 02:06:29,789 --> 02:06:34,649 the very least we can do is ignore what those slavers and 1994 02:06:34,649 --> 02:06:38,219 colonists and misogynist thought and interpret the Constitution 1995 02:06:38,369 --> 02:06:41,969 in a way that makes sense for our modern world that want to 1996 02:06:41,969 --> 02:06:45,779 rewrite it. I could write I could rewrite parts of it in a 1997 02:06:45,779 --> 02:06:48,899 tweet, right. Like how about popular election for the 1998 02:06:48,899 --> 02:06:58,019 President? People vote not land to do it in a tweet, right? 1999 02:06:58,019 --> 02:07:01,169 Yeah, you know, I'm term limits for Supreme Court justices. And 2000 02:07:01,169 --> 02:07:04,349 how about no states rights when it comes to health care, 2001 02:07:04,439 --> 02:07:10,079 elections, policing, and God? That's just better. And you can 2002 02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:10,439 do that. 2003 02:07:11,580 --> 02:07:15,930 Oh, my, that whole riff was fantastic. 2004 02:07:16,530 --> 02:07:19,680 And he was trying to mean he was trying to launch was 2005 02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:23,970 constitution is trash kind of trash kind of trash. Yeah, 2006 02:07:24,210 --> 02:07:27,660 that's that's these are how they try to launch these hashtags. 2007 02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:31,260 That way, so my Oh, Constitution trash just kind of trash. You 2008 02:07:31,260 --> 02:07:32,910 know, these guys madness. They'll have different 2009 02:07:32,910 --> 02:07:36,480 variations. And whichever one people just kind of latch on to, 2010 02:07:36,690 --> 02:07:40,230 this is how it works. And he was trying to make that happen. But 2011 02:07:40,230 --> 02:07:41,070 you can't. 2012 02:07:41,730 --> 02:07:46,710 It's not it's his message. He's not a creative hashtag. 2013 02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:50,400 No, in this because he's 2014 02:07:50,399 --> 02:07:54,359 not because he's not really black. He doesn't have the 2015 02:07:54,359 --> 02:07:56,879 grace, the grooved and had the vibe you don't know how to do 2016 02:07:56,879 --> 02:07:57,329 that 2017 02:07:57,450 --> 02:08:00,750 is that it's the time and it comes with the fact that when 2018 02:08:00,750 --> 02:08:04,620 you say get rid of the Constitution, Whoa, you're 2019 02:08:04,620 --> 02:08:07,530 saying now you get rid of the First Amendment. Yeah. Are you 2020 02:08:07,530 --> 02:08:10,050 talking about get rid of the Second Amendment? Now you're 2021 02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:14,760 saying these Well, now what what are we playing by? And you 2022 02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:18,750 notice how he had to do the Black and Brown warming? He had 2023 02:08:18,750 --> 02:08:22,590 to hear this is that coalition? Always check those boxes. He 2024 02:08:22,590 --> 02:08:22,740 did. 2025 02:08:22,740 --> 02:08:25,890 He did. He didn't do LGBTQ though. He screwed that up. 2026 02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:29,070 Well, I mean, but you saw, what's her name? 2027 02:08:29,099 --> 02:08:33,749 Oh, yes. She Navarro. Navarro. Yeah, she she threw it in the 2028 02:08:33,749 --> 02:08:40,799 forum. I got it. I got you, bro. I got you. You can run with the 2029 02:08:40,799 --> 02:08:42,299 mammy shit. I got this one. 2030 02:08:43,230 --> 02:08:47,850 Wow. Right. So this is this is how they tried to do it. And now 2031 02:08:47,850 --> 02:08:51,480 this is where the second part comes in. And why I felt that 2032 02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:54,870 the whole Elon Musk thing is a big problem for a certain group 2033 02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:58,170 of people. I want people to pay attention to the two timelines 2034 02:08:58,170 --> 02:09:01,710 that were going here, Elon Musk by Twitter. And then all of a 2035 02:09:01,710 --> 02:09:05,130 sudden, Obama comes with the disinformation dashboard. 2036 02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:09,720 This is so interesting that you bring this up mo again, you I 2037 02:09:09,720 --> 02:09:12,750 love you for this. Do you mind if I just tell you that I 2038 02:09:12,750 --> 02:09:16,530 noticed the exact same thing. And there was there was one 2039 02:09:16,530 --> 02:09:20,010 extra piece it was it was Obama showing up it was the 2040 02:09:20,010 --> 02:09:22,950 disinformation board. And he by the way, he showed up at the 2041 02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:29,160 cyber Stanford cyber policy institute where he spoke for 2042 02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:34,650 that hour. And there was also another Brookings Institution 2043 02:09:34,650 --> 02:09:39,180 piece about podcasting. And, and it was weird because we've 2044 02:09:39,180 --> 02:09:41,850 already seen these, oh, podcasting has to be moderated 2045 02:09:41,850 --> 02:09:44,940 as dangerous and it's the whole reason for podcasting. 2.0 is 2046 02:09:44,940 --> 02:09:48,240 because I knew this was coming. And I'm like, wait a minute, why 2047 02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:51,450 are they doing this piece again? So Dave Jones, and I go in 2048 02:09:51,450 --> 02:09:54,900 through it on the on the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 and 2049 02:09:54,900 --> 02:09:58,710 I started clicking on some of the links like, oh, oh my god, 2050 02:09:58,710 --> 02:10:03,120 it's all about banners. and disinformation and how how 2051 02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:07,620 disinformation kills people the exact words that Obama used. And 2052 02:10:07,620 --> 02:10:13,590 so is this in so my my kind of the punchline is they set up 2053 02:10:13,590 --> 02:10:17,580 this whole thing with all these different messages of 2054 02:10:17,580 --> 02:10:20,820 disinformation, they bring out Obama for the disinformation. 2055 02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:24,690 And then they choose this Nina Janka wits, who was so obviously 2056 02:10:24,690 --> 02:10:27,810 mockable for so many things, it was just like, wow, you put a 2057 02:10:27,810 --> 02:10:31,410 lot of effort into bringing in this candidate who is there 2058 02:10:31,410 --> 02:10:38,370 because her specialty is wait for it Russian and Ukrainian. So 2059 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:42,030 you know, everything that is uncomfortable with this, my 2060 02:10:42,030 --> 02:10:44,850 opinion through this governance board will be run through the 2061 02:10:44,850 --> 02:10:46,710 lens of Russian disinformation. 2062 02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:51,630 And the thing was, I've been champing at the bit. Because we 2063 02:10:51,660 --> 02:10:55,800 had to postpone the show from last week. I saw this link the 2064 02:10:55,800 --> 02:11:00,090 all these clips, except for a few to Mr. Add it later. This is 2065 02:11:00,150 --> 02:11:04,230 like 90% of the show. Because I saw it coming. I was like oh, 2066 02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:10,590 Elon buys Twitter. They have to go governmental. Yes, they can't 2067 02:11:10,590 --> 02:11:14,430 control him. And that's why he bought it. Wait, 2068 02:11:14,460 --> 02:11:17,370 wait, wait, okay, okay, I'm gonna blow your mind now. Okay, 2069 02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,190 please, I'm gonna blow your mind. I'm gonna blow your mind. 2070 02:11:20,190 --> 02:11:23,190 This is a clip that I'm going to play on tomorrow's no agenda 2071 02:11:23,190 --> 02:11:32,130 show. And it's from 2016 We played this on no agenda. And 2072 02:11:32,130 --> 02:11:40,380 this was Obama. And I think it was before the election, um, 2073 02:11:40,650 --> 02:11:43,650 notch. Yeah, I think was before the election, listen to this 2074 02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:49,050 after rebuild within this wild wild west of information flow, 2075 02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:56,460 some sort of curating function that people agree to. I use the 2076 02:11:56,460 --> 02:11:58,980 analogy in politics. It used to be there were three television 2077 02:11:58,980 --> 02:12:04,710 stations and Walter Cronkite's on there. And not everybody 2078 02:12:04,710 --> 02:12:08,280 agreed, then there were always outliers who thought that it was 2079 02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:10,920 all propaganda, and we didn't really land on the moon and 2080 02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,270 Elvis is still alive and so forth. But generally, that was 2081 02:12:15,270 --> 02:12:20,580 in the papers that you bought in the supermarket, right, as you 2082 02:12:20,580 --> 02:12:27,420 were checking out. And generally people trusted a basic body of 2083 02:12:27,420 --> 02:12:31,350 information. It wasn't always as democratic as it should have 2084 02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:35,040 been. And it's always exactly right, that, for example, on 2085 02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:37,650 something like climate change, we've actually been doing some 2086 02:12:37,650 --> 02:12:41,400 interesting initiatives where we're essentially deputizing 2087 02:12:41,550 --> 02:12:46,350 citizens with handheld technologies to start reporting 2088 02:12:46,350 --> 02:12:48,600 information that then gets pulled, they're becoming 2089 02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:52,020 scientists without getting the PhD. And we can do that in a lot 2090 02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:55,140 of other fields as well. But there has to be, I think, some 2091 02:12:55,140 --> 02:13:00,390 sort of way in which we can sort through information that passes 2092 02:13:00,390 --> 02:13:10,860 some basic truth, truthiness tests, and those that we have to 2093 02:13:10,860 --> 02:13:15,870 discard, because they just don't have any basis and anything 2094 02:13:15,870 --> 02:13:18,900 that's actually happening in the world. And that's hard to do. 2095 02:13:20,490 --> 02:13:23,130 But I think it's, it's going to be necessary, it's going to be 2096 02:13:23,130 --> 02:13:27,840 possible. I think, the answer is obviously not censorship, but 2097 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:34,320 it's creating places where people can say this is reliable. 2098 02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:42,060 And I'm still able to argue about safely about facts, and 2099 02:13:42,060 --> 02:13:47,520 what we should do about it. While while still not just 2100 02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:48,210 making stuff up. 2101 02:13:49,470 --> 02:13:54,570 So, to me, what Musk is doing, and what Obama is describing 2102 02:13:54,570 --> 02:14:00,450 here in 2016, is the same thing. See it and it doesn't really 2103 02:14:00,450 --> 02:14:06,570 matter, the outcome is the same whether Musk is the shill or 2104 02:14:06,570 --> 02:14:11,010 whether he's sincere. The the truthiness test is coming 2105 02:14:12,359 --> 02:14:16,949 through regulations. I think he's the opposition to what 2106 02:14:16,949 --> 02:14:21,179 Obama is trying to do. Because you have two schools of thought 2107 02:14:21,629 --> 02:14:26,099 two corporations on it, and like the, the owners of those 2108 02:14:26,099 --> 02:14:29,459 companies, or should the government control it. So this 2109 02:14:29,459 --> 02:14:33,209 is why I think they just part ways now that we've talked about 2110 02:14:33,209 --> 02:14:37,139 on the last show, when they build these systems, anybody 2111 02:14:37,139 --> 02:14:40,589 will be able to wield the power of it. But it's about who's 2112 02:14:40,589 --> 02:14:45,059 going to have that power. Is it the the you know, the boards and 2113 02:14:45,059 --> 02:14:48,509 the CEOs? Or is the government coming in and telling you what 2114 02:14:49,259 --> 02:14:51,689 you can say and how you can say on your platforms? 2115 02:14:51,749 --> 02:14:55,559 Well, the government is not just the US government so the 2116 02:14:55,559 --> 02:14:59,849 European Union Government has already stated their case the EU 2117 02:14:59,849 --> 02:15:03,029 law and will adhere to them or he will not operate in the 2118 02:15:03,029 --> 02:15:09,569 European Union. And in the United States and globally ESG 2119 02:15:09,569 --> 02:15:16,379 scores dictates what companies do. So they will do all they 2120 02:15:16,379 --> 02:15:20,759 will. If he's if he's not playing on their team, they will 2121 02:15:20,759 --> 02:15:21,479 annihilate 2122 02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:24,630 him. So Twitter, let me get this straight. Because I mean, I have 2123 02:15:24,660 --> 02:15:27,600 a few questions about this deal. So Twitter will no longer be 2124 02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:30,090 publicly traded when it goes through. How does that work? I 2125 02:15:30,090 --> 02:15:31,470 mean, if he owns it, yeah. 2126 02:15:31,890 --> 02:15:37,680 All the shares are bought by Elon. And so every everyone gets 2127 02:15:37,710 --> 02:15:42,870 $54.20 a share. And then And then, and then he takes it he 2128 02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:45,480 did delisted takes off the stock market is no longer public 2129 02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:47,970 company, so he can do whatever he wants. 2130 02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:50,730 So that's ESG really have an impact on you, then? 2131 02:15:50,789 --> 02:15:56,069 I believe so it obviously he can't be delisted taxation. 2132 02:15:56,699 --> 02:15:59,099 There's many different ways that that's going to play. 2133 02:15:59,250 --> 02:16:02,370 But you can't be platform because I am the platform. He 2134 02:16:02,370 --> 02:16:06,780 was saying like this is I'm fascinated by this, because this 2135 02:16:06,780 --> 02:16:10,320 is letting you know, you're saying that I'm saying like it 2136 02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,740 wasn't like I bought about the building. I'm just 2137 02:16:13,740 --> 02:16:19,470 seeing I'm seeing a differently. Yeah. What I see is when you say 2138 02:16:19,560 --> 02:16:22,440 he said up, I was almost going to agree. I think he's the 2139 02:16:22,440 --> 02:16:26,430 operator. I think he's he's the opposition. No, I think he's the 2140 02:16:26,430 --> 02:16:29,970 opposite. I know what you think. And I just disagree, 2141 02:16:30,630 --> 02:16:34,470 too. But it's fascinating that we were looking at the same set 2142 02:16:34,470 --> 02:16:38,010 of information, the same set of facts, and coming away with two 2143 02:16:38,010 --> 02:16:42,570 totally different. I mean, which is the same 2144 02:16:42,599 --> 02:16:46,139 same or same result, same result, but it's the same 2145 02:16:46,139 --> 02:16:50,519 result. Either way, Twitter is going to be regulated. 2146 02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:55,830 And Obama has been out here for over a month pushing this that 2147 02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:59,610 Stanford wasn't the first was in the first speech. I have the 2148 02:16:59,610 --> 02:17:03,060 first glimpse and we're gonna get to that but this is the 2149 02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:07,080 local. This is the local news talking about the disinformation 2150 02:17:07,080 --> 02:17:08,910 governance board in Sioux City. 2151 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:11,909 The Department of Homeland Security tonight is taking on 2152 02:17:11,909 --> 02:17:14,939 dangerous disinformation. They've created a new board 2153 02:17:14,969 --> 02:17:18,059 dedicated specifically to tackling that issue, but some 2154 02:17:18,059 --> 02:17:22,169 lawmakers are raising concerns kind of brand explains why the 2155 02:17:22,169 --> 02:17:23,939 government is launching a new effort 2156 02:17:23,970 --> 02:17:27,510 to prevent disinformation and misinformation from traveling 2157 02:17:27,510 --> 02:17:29,280 around the country in a range of communities. 2158 02:17:29,460 --> 02:17:32,370 I'm not sure who opposes that effort. It turns out 2159 02:17:32,370 --> 02:17:36,240 some lawmakers do they want to police the speech of American 2160 02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:38,430 citizens. It is absolutely insane. 2161 02:17:38,700 --> 02:17:40,860 The Department of Homeland Security insists their new 2162 02:17:40,860 --> 02:17:44,040 disinformation governance board is meant to combat dangerous 2163 02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:45,000 misinformation 2164 02:17:45,060 --> 02:17:50,580 disinformation that imperils the safety and security of our 2165 02:17:50,580 --> 02:17:51,720 homeland. The board 2166 02:17:51,720 --> 02:17:54,840 is brand new, so exactly how they'll do that is unclear, but 2167 02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:57,630 many Republicans are sounding the alarm bells and even 2168 02:17:57,630 --> 02:18:00,750 comparing it to the Ministry of Truth from the dystopian novel 2169 02:18:00,750 --> 02:18:02,130 1984. This 2170 02:18:02,130 --> 02:18:06,360 is nothing more than a blatant attempt to install a Ministry of 2171 02:18:06,390 --> 02:18:10,050 Truth. In order to push Biden's propaganda 2172 02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:13,260 Congressman Andrew Clyde calls the board unconstitutional. And 2173 02:18:13,260 --> 02:18:15,630 Senator Marsha Blackburn says it's censorship, 2174 02:18:15,660 --> 02:18:19,260 they're going to say, we're going to step in here and we are 2175 02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:22,620 going to take control, because there are some things we want 2176 02:18:22,620 --> 02:18:25,560 you to know. And there are some things we don't the 2177 02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:28,140 Biden administration argues there's a major need to combat 2178 02:18:28,140 --> 02:18:31,620 the lies and conspiracies that mislead people. And so division, 2179 02:18:31,650 --> 02:18:35,790 there has been a range of disinfo out there about a range 2180 02:18:35,790 --> 02:18:38,910 of topics, I mean, including COVID, for example, and also 2181 02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:40,560 elections and eligibility, 2182 02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:43,290 but Senator Josh Hawley wants the board to be dissolved. 2183 02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:45,510 Just because you disagree with your opponent doesn't 2184 02:18:45,510 --> 02:18:48,360 mean it's disinformation in Washington. I'm Hannah brand. 2185 02:18:49,170 --> 02:18:52,470 Yeah, that was you know, that's the type of piece that everyone 2186 02:18:52,470 --> 02:18:55,620 gets the same copy for goes to all the local stations, and that 2187 02:18:55,620 --> 02:18:58,800 could very well come from AP your writing. And by the way, 2188 02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:05,880 oh. We're coming to different conclusions, just for me of 2189 02:19:05,880 --> 02:19:11,430 different for different reasons. I would love to see it to see 2190 02:19:11,430 --> 02:19:15,330 Twitter, be fried and for it to work and become the cesspool 2191 02:19:15,330 --> 02:19:18,660 that it can be great. It'll be there'll be hilarious. 2192 02:19:18,720 --> 02:19:21,690 It's great for business. Yeah. But it's yes. And that's not 2193 02:19:21,690 --> 02:19:22,050 moral. 2194 02:19:22,769 --> 02:19:24,089 That's great familiars. 2195 02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:28,470 Elon Musk come in, we're seeing through with Bulletproof Tesla. 2196 02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:32,520 You're saying the same Twitter? No, this is about who controls 2197 02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,430 the way that company country goes. Well, company. I mean, 2198 02:19:35,430 --> 02:19:38,670 that was almost a Freudian slip. Who controls the way the company 2199 02:19:38,670 --> 02:19:41,880 goes, does it go with the corporation calling the shots or 2200 02:19:41,880 --> 02:19:44,640 the government calling the shots? And I think what what 2201 02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:48,870 Elon Musk did the way he did it, to say I can buy something 2202 02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:53,760 that's not for sale. That's very threatening to the government. 2203 02:19:53,820 --> 02:19:54,120 But you 2204 02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:56,490 know what this is again, just this is this is something that 2205 02:19:56,490 --> 02:20:00,360 just doesn't fit with me. Twitter has been for sale. For a 2206 02:20:00,360 --> 02:20:07,890 long time for a long time, to who to anybody, anybody Google, 2207 02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,860 Facebook, Amazon, 2208 02:20:11,430 --> 02:20:15,960 all the same side. All. Why would I bother more with a guy 2209 02:20:16,350 --> 02:20:21,840 like this? I didn't look at it like no, no, no I, my eyes in my 2210 02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:22,140 eyes. 2211 02:20:22,380 --> 02:20:25,950 Google is in a group Facebook is a better example. Facebook is 2212 02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:31,890 incredibly political. Why would they not want to control that? 2213 02:20:31,890 --> 02:20:36,120 Why would they not tell me? Why would the people who control the 2214 02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:39,630 political messaging on Facebook not want to add Twitter to their 2215 02:20:39,690 --> 02:20:41,190 to their portfolio? 2216 02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:46,110 The way I see is this, they all were asleep, because it's like, 2217 02:20:46,110 --> 02:20:49,710 no, nobody with differing views will buy it so we don't have to 2218 02:20:49,740 --> 02:20:52,890 worry about buying it. And then you have this guy come in it 2219 02:20:52,890 --> 02:20:56,520 says, Okay, I see what you're saying is like a robber baron 2220 02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:59,670 kind of thing. This the same way the Rockefellers will operate, 2221 02:20:59,670 --> 02:21:03,930 right? It's like, we're gonna buy all the train tracks. You 2222 02:21:03,930 --> 02:21:06,450 know, we're not gonna buy the train tracks. What about a steel 2223 02:21:06,450 --> 02:21:07,170 company? By the way, 2224 02:21:07,170 --> 02:21:09,600 Dvorak is also on your side of this argument. 2225 02:21:10,050 --> 02:21:13,170 Okay, well, I'm gonna get company so yeah, 2226 02:21:13,770 --> 02:21:16,320 right and even older white man go for it 2227 02:21:20,580 --> 02:21:24,690 I'll tell you who? The guy from billions you know Hey, that's my 2228 02:21:25,080 --> 02:21:29,070 that's my guy. Oh, Prince Michael Prince. No, no, daddy. 2229 02:21:31,500 --> 02:21:34,380 Oh, Charles shows a senior 2230 02:21:37,230 --> 02:21:40,260 guy right. I'm glad I glad he stayed on throughout the new 2231 02:21:40,260 --> 02:21:43,440 series. Yeah, he him and WAGs keep it real. 2232 02:21:44,730 --> 02:21:48,030 That but once again, that's that's how wokeness ruins things 2233 02:21:48,030 --> 02:21:50,760 just mean as it's just a quick aside. So yeah, you're right now 2234 02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:55,740 but I find this interesting. Because CNN This is Dana Bash. 2235 02:21:56,130 --> 02:22:01,740 And this is her talking to our Hondros my Arcus. Yes. Her tone 2236 02:22:01,770 --> 02:22:05,940 is This is getting weird out here, folks. This. 2237 02:22:07,140 --> 02:22:10,560 Let's talk about a different topic, which is what you are 2238 02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:13,830 calling your department is calling the disinformation 2239 02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:18,090 governance board you unveiled that? This week. Republicans are 2240 02:22:18,090 --> 02:22:21,630 calling it Orwellian. And comparing it to the Ministry of 2241 02:22:21,630 --> 02:22:27,690 Truth in the novel 1984. Can you clarify what exactly is this? 2242 02:22:27,690 --> 02:22:31,020 What exactly? Will this disinformation governance board 2243 02:22:31,020 --> 02:22:33,300 do? Will it monitor American citizens 2244 02:22:33,420 --> 02:22:37,890 debt? I'm very pleased to do so. It's clear. I mean, those 2245 02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:42,270 criticisms are precisely the opposite of what this small 2246 02:22:42,270 --> 02:22:44,880 working group within the Department of Homeland Security 2247 02:22:45,240 --> 02:22:50,670 will do. And I think we probably could have done a better job of 2248 02:22:50,670 --> 02:22:54,930 communicating what it does and does not do. So the fact is, 2249 02:22:55,320 --> 02:23:01,170 that disinformation that creates a threat to the security of the 2250 02:23:01,170 --> 02:23:05,640 homeland is our responsibility to address and this department 2251 02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:09,150 has been addressing it for years throughout the years of the 2252 02:23:09,150 --> 02:23:12,960 prior administration, and an ongoing basis, disinformation 2253 02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:14,460 from Russia and China. We know 2254 02:23:14,460 --> 02:23:18,360 the problems, but it's still not clear to me how this governance 2255 02:23:18,360 --> 02:23:20,400 board will act. What will it do? 2256 02:23:20,430 --> 02:23:26,280 So what it does is it works to ensure that the way in which we 2257 02:23:26,310 --> 02:23:31,380 address threats that connectivity between threats and 2258 02:23:31,380 --> 02:23:35,790 acts of violence are addressed without infringing on free 2259 02:23:35,790 --> 02:23:39,540 speech, protecting civil rights and civil liberties. The right 2260 02:23:39,570 --> 02:23:40,530 of privacy. 2261 02:23:40,740 --> 02:23:44,400 Oh, okay. I can't wait to see how they didn't actually explain 2262 02:23:44,400 --> 02:23:45,240 how they do it. 2263 02:23:45,990 --> 02:23:49,980 Now that's crap. Secrets, trade secrets. 2264 02:23:49,980 --> 02:23:53,460 Yes. sources and methods, sources and methods. I'll tell 2265 02:23:53,460 --> 02:23:53,550 you 2266 02:23:53,550 --> 02:23:58,890 how. But isn't this a weird tone from CNN, who's been? Pretty 2267 02:23:58,890 --> 02:24:01,230 much the governmental lapdog up until this point? 2268 02:24:03,180 --> 02:24:05,910 You mean that they're changing tune a little bit and becoming a 2269 02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:07,020 little more adversarial? 2270 02:24:07,290 --> 02:24:10,020 Yeah, cuz I mean, especially Dana Bash, you know, she's all 2271 02:24:10,020 --> 02:24:15,180 in for whatever it is, he would think like this is anti. 2272 02:24:17,700 --> 02:24:21,810 Now maybe you have more maybe the maybe convince me more in 2273 02:24:21,810 --> 02:24:22,260 the next 2274 02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:24,600 this the second piece 2275 02:24:24,900 --> 02:24:30,000 and the board this working group internal working group will draw 2276 02:24:30,060 --> 02:24:34,080 it from best practices and communicate those best practices 2277 02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:37,500 to the operators because the board does not have operational 2278 02:24:37,500 --> 02:24:37,980 authority. 2279 02:24:38,010 --> 02:24:41,760 Well, American citizens be monitored operators guarantee. 2280 02:24:42,150 --> 02:24:45,840 So what we do we in the Department of Homeland Security 2281 02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:49,770 don't monitor American citizen we don't but when this board 2282 02:24:49,770 --> 02:24:53,280 change that No, no, the board does not have any operational 2283 02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:58,200 authority or capability. What it will do is gathered together 2284 02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:02,520 best practices in a dress During the threat of disinformation 2285 02:25:02,610 --> 02:25:06,780 from foreign state adversaries from the cartels, and 2286 02:25:06,780 --> 02:25:10,410 disseminate those best practices to the operators that have been 2287 02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:13,620 executing in addressing this threat for years, 2288 02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:18,030 Republicans are criticizing your decision the administration's 2289 02:25:18,030 --> 02:25:22,110 decision to choose Anita Janka wits to lead this disinformation 2290 02:25:22,110 --> 02:25:25,350 board they say she is not somebody who is neutral, your 2291 02:25:25,350 --> 02:25:25,920 response 2292 02:25:26,010 --> 02:25:30,000 but eminently qualified, a renowned expert in the field of 2293 02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:33,630 disinformation. Absolutely. So would you 2294 02:25:33,630 --> 02:25:37,890 be okay, if Donald Trump were President if he created this 2295 02:25:37,890 --> 02:25:41,250 disinformation governance board or if it is in place, and he 2296 02:25:41,250 --> 02:25:44,430 wins again in 2024, that he's in charge of such a thing? 2297 02:25:44,730 --> 02:25:48,090 I believe that this working group that gathers together, 2298 02:25:48,330 --> 02:25:52,470 gathers together best practices, make sure that our work is 2299 02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:56,580 coordinated, consistent with those best practices that were 2300 02:25:56,580 --> 02:26:00,030 safeguarding the rights of free speech, that were safeguarding 2301 02:26:00,030 --> 02:26:02,730 civil liberties, I think is an extraordinarily important 2302 02:26:02,730 --> 02:26:03,240 endeavor. 2303 02:26:05,130 --> 02:26:08,850 No, Dana Bash is playing along. I think she's playing controlled 2304 02:26:08,850 --> 02:26:09,840 opposition here. 2305 02:26:10,770 --> 02:26:12,600 Yeah, I see this is, 2306 02:26:12,930 --> 02:26:16,380 but let me let me tell you, let me tell you why I feel that when 2307 02:26:16,380 --> 02:26:20,400 he said not once, but three times the operators we give that 2308 02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:24,690 to the operators no follow up. No question. Who is that? Who 2309 02:26:24,690 --> 02:26:27,420 are the operators? They've been doing this for decades? Who are 2310 02:26:27,420 --> 02:26:33,240 what do they do? What exactly is that? FBI? Is that NSA? Is that 2311 02:26:33,240 --> 02:26:37,380 local police? Is that Twitter themselves? She wasn't asking 2312 02:26:37,380 --> 02:26:42,720 that. She was she was in my opinion. She was throwing up the 2313 02:26:42,750 --> 02:26:47,130 the opposition giving him soft balls to address them with non 2314 02:26:47,130 --> 02:26:52,440 answers. And she did not question any of his non answers. 2315 02:26:54,300 --> 02:26:59,700 The way I see it is this. The typical CNN interview would win. 2316 02:27:00,270 --> 02:27:03,360 So tell me how this is gonna be good for banning white 2317 02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:03,960 supremacist. 2318 02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:08,490 I agree with you that I missed that. Yes, I agree. I missed the 2319 02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:11,880 January 6. I miss. Yes. I'm 2320 02:27:11,880 --> 02:27:16,350 wondering how this how is this going to impact our business? 2321 02:27:16,740 --> 02:27:19,170 Because at the end of the day, the governance board is 2322 02:27:19,170 --> 02:27:22,710 governing the media companies, and they're looking at it look, 2323 02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:28,560 we took your we took your 2016 We took your black lives matter. 2324 02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:32,580 We took your pro LGBT Okay, okay, bleeding now. 2325 02:27:33,540 --> 02:27:36,600 You're good? Yep. You're dragging me over the line. You 2326 02:27:36,600 --> 02:27:39,120 get me closer. I got one toe close. 2327 02:27:39,240 --> 02:27:43,920 So what So what they lost $300 million for like a month or for 2328 02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:49,320 service? Because it's their news is so sanitized? That you make 2329 02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:51,870 Tucker Carlson seem radical. Right. Hopefully, you might just 2330 02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:56,010 hold on hold on a second. Yeah. The seat you're talking about 2331 02:27:56,010 --> 02:28:01,410 CNN plus, yes. Don't get caught up in that. They got bought, 2332 02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,840 they got bought, the new owners didn't want it. It didn't get 2333 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:07,260 shut down because it had no one watching. It got shut down point 2334 02:28:07,260 --> 02:28:09,360 is not was not ever in the plan. 2335 02:28:09,989 --> 02:28:13,679 But that's my point, though. They threw 100 $300 million away 2336 02:28:13,709 --> 02:28:15,989 on something they couldn't even salvage they couldn't even say, 2337 02:28:15,989 --> 02:28:18,839 You know what? Let's bring in new talent. You know, let's 2338 02:28:19,169 --> 02:28:22,829 shake it up a little bit. No, basically, we had to scrap this 2339 02:28:22,829 --> 02:28:25,529 whole thing. And I think they're scrapping the whole vote 2340 02:28:25,529 --> 02:28:28,889 business model. It's like, you know what, we'll go back to fair 2341 02:28:28,889 --> 02:28:32,669 and balanced. We will ask the questions like she was the one 2342 02:28:32,759 --> 02:28:35,189 yes. That was the act I got. Well, there's 2343 02:28:35,399 --> 02:28:40,139 there's another thing that we've noticed. So discovery, bought 2344 02:28:41,099 --> 02:28:49,589 Warner AT and T and Warner so they bought CNN with it. Right 2345 02:28:49,589 --> 02:28:55,289 so this is all discovery. So the the big man who's really in 2346 02:28:55,289 --> 02:29:00,449 control of this whole deal is Malone. John Malone. Okay. I 2347 02:29:00,449 --> 02:29:03,149 mean, the Warner Brothers CEO is a different guy but John Malone 2348 02:29:03,149 --> 02:29:10,199 is the chairman and he is he's us 45 Savage guy. That's what's 2349 02:29:10,199 --> 02:29:10,979 going on here. 2350 02:29:12,210 --> 02:29:14,250 And that's where I'm setting the tone is switching 2351 02:29:14,580 --> 02:29:17,520 and we've noticed and you know, they've cleaned up they cleaned 2352 02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:21,270 up the Cuomo kid out of pedophile Yeah, they got well I 2353 02:29:21,270 --> 02:29:24,600 think not all not all I think they got the tip of the iceberg 2354 02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,390 maybe but yeah, they got some of the paedos out of there the pedo 2355 02:29:27,390 --> 02:29:32,340 bears who else did they they cleaned up the Cuomo cleaned up 2356 02:29:32,340 --> 02:29:35,580 his shit out clean all of that up, got rid of it, you know, 2357 02:29:35,610 --> 02:29:39,270 and, and I'm sure there's been internal shakeups and of course 2358 02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:45,840 as ocher himself left. So yeah, yeah, okay. I think people are 2359 02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:48,690 very cautious Dana Bash. He's not gonna get another gig. She's 2360 02:29:48,690 --> 02:29:49,740 auditioning to stay. 2361 02:29:50,970 --> 02:29:54,450 Yes, and it's gonna be reporting on missing airplanes. We're 2362 02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:55,170 going back to that. 2363 02:29:56,940 --> 02:30:00,420 Model. Yeah, possibly. Hey, you know, just do more Amber heard 2364 02:30:00,420 --> 02:30:01,260 maybe I'll even 2365 02:30:01,470 --> 02:30:07,350 watch. This actually, that's, I think the woke media in is is 2366 02:30:07,380 --> 02:30:11,160 like old news. And I think they don't want Obama looking over 2367 02:30:11,160 --> 02:30:15,300 their shoulder, who what CEO will want the government give 2368 02:30:15,330 --> 02:30:19,290 the government more power? This is not about ideology. This is 2369 02:30:19,290 --> 02:30:22,170 about do I want the government looking over my shoulder? They 2370 02:30:22,170 --> 02:30:24,810 say, Oh, that's disinformation. Right. That's different. No, 2371 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:28,230 that's bad for business. And as I said that they bleed out that 2372 02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:32,430 way. Yeah. So just to go to the other side of the spectrum. Now 2373 02:30:32,430 --> 02:30:37,170 we have Tulsi Gabbard she was on with we'll Kane on Fox News. And 2374 02:30:37,170 --> 02:30:40,230 she's saying is that both sides are in on it? 2375 02:30:40,680 --> 02:30:44,580 Is Joe Biden, that radical that he's relying on Orwellian 2376 02:30:44,580 --> 02:30:49,530 tactics to hold on to control? Or, like on everything else? Is 2377 02:30:49,530 --> 02:30:54,600 he just the frontman for someone else? And credit? Tulsi Gabbard 2378 02:30:54,780 --> 02:30:57,360 is a former Hawaii Congresswoman and a former presidential 2379 02:30:57,360 --> 02:31:00,000 candidate, and she has some thoughts on who might actually 2380 02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:05,040 be pulling the strings on Joe Biden, hi, Tulsi. So if Joe's 2381 02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:07,140 not really in charge, who is? 2382 02:31:08,850 --> 02:31:13,320 I think it's no surprise to know that it's not just Obama, but 2383 02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:17,010 it's the whole Obama Clinton machine that has been in power 2384 02:31:17,010 --> 02:31:19,710 for a long time and continues to pull the strings behind the 2385 02:31:19,710 --> 02:31:22,170 curtain in the Biden administration. But when we're 2386 02:31:22,170 --> 02:31:25,050 talking about this Ministry of Truth, well, what's even more 2387 02:31:25,050 --> 02:31:28,110 disturbing than the fact that you have all these Democrats who 2388 02:31:28,110 --> 02:31:31,020 are supporting it, is it there are powerful Republicans who are 2389 02:31:31,020 --> 02:31:34,950 supporting it as well. There's one in particular over the last 2390 02:31:34,950 --> 02:31:37,890 couple of days, who's been very vocal on television about this, 2391 02:31:37,890 --> 02:31:40,560 and I want to read his direct quote, because it was very 2392 02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:43,920 disturbing to me, he says, this is an important function of the 2393 02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:47,910 Department of Homeland Security, but they put the absolute wrong 2394 02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:49,440 person in charge of it. 2395 02:31:50,399 --> 02:31:51,689 Who was this? 2396 02:31:52,920 --> 02:31:56,550 The fact that she didn't say who it was, she said, important 2397 02:31:56,550 --> 02:32:01,530 Republican, but she never said his name. Isn't that weird? And 2398 02:32:01,530 --> 02:32:04,470 because you picked up on it? Because you said Who was this, 2399 02:32:04,530 --> 02:32:06,420 the fact that you called somebody and don't give their 2400 02:32:06,420 --> 02:32:10,200 name? lets me know that. Remember, that's a friend of Mr. 2401 02:32:10,200 --> 02:32:10,980 friend of ours, a 2402 02:32:10,980 --> 02:32:14,700 member. So Tulsi is, of course, one of the World Economic Forum, 2403 02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,050 young global leaders, 2404 02:32:16,200 --> 02:32:20,670 and NASA. That's my whole point. That's my whole point is that I 2405 02:32:20,670 --> 02:32:25,290 think that they want to get back to business as usual. These both 2406 02:32:25,290 --> 02:32:28,260 these media operations are controlled, as you just heard 2407 02:32:28,260 --> 02:32:31,440 with her. She couldn't even say the Republicans name because 2408 02:32:31,440 --> 02:32:35,190 they actually that Republican, is a friend of who had a Fox 2409 02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:37,920 News Network. And it's like, okay, you can get on here and 2410 02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:41,910 talk by partisan, but you can't say his name. And I've never 2411 02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:45,240 heard somebody give a quote, where you know, who said it? But 2412 02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:49,080 you don't say who it is. That was? Do we know who said it? No, 2413 02:32:49,080 --> 02:32:49,950 she never said 2414 02:32:50,940 --> 02:32:53,370 10. And they didn't ask 2415 02:32:53,790 --> 02:32:57,930 those same thing. I just say, Oh, no, no, follow up. No, 2416 02:32:57,930 --> 02:33:00,990 nothing. And I think the media is like, we're tired of playing 2417 02:33:00,990 --> 02:33:04,590 this game. It's back to business. And they're okay with 2418 02:33:04,620 --> 02:33:07,710 Elon getting Twitter, because well, both sides gets what you 2419 02:33:07,710 --> 02:33:09,210 want to get good hashtags. And you know 2420 02:33:09,210 --> 02:33:11,550 what, you know what? You really brought them all together. 2421 02:33:11,580 --> 02:33:14,190 Warren, Ukraine, you're in Ukraine brought the news media 2422 02:33:14,190 --> 02:33:18,600 together, because they all all bow to the military industrial 2423 02:33:18,600 --> 02:33:22,740 complex, they all have to do it. That so much money by Boeing? 2424 02:33:22,860 --> 02:33:23,430 Yes. 2425 02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:26,520 Yes, the new thing is gonna be Boeing, like brought to you by 2426 02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:26,910 Boeing? 2427 02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:32,730 Well, look at PBS, it's often brought to you by Boeing. And 2428 02:33:32,730 --> 02:33:38,880 Boeing is just another contractor. So yeah, yeah, this 2429 02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:40,830 is good observation. Well, this is good. 2430 02:33:41,489 --> 02:33:44,969 I'm just looking at the timing. And I think it's the my mad tip, 2431 02:33:44,999 --> 02:33:46,769 you know, because, of course, I'm sure. 2432 02:33:47,100 --> 02:33:52,230 Oh, it was. It was super coordinated. And you're right, I 2433 02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:52,950 think you're right. 2434 02:33:53,880 --> 02:33:55,650 Alright, so let's go and get 26. 2435 02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:58,830 And well, the problem here is not the person they put in 2436 02:33:58,830 --> 02:34:02,490 charge. But the bigger problem here is the board itself. The 2437 02:34:02,490 --> 02:34:05,460 bigger problem here is that, unfortunately, have powerful 2438 02:34:05,460 --> 02:34:09,480 Democrats and Republicans who are supporting this ministry of 2439 02:34:09,480 --> 02:34:12,720 truth, who do not believe in the Constitution and freedom of 2440 02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:15,900 speech, who have no faith in the American people and are willing 2441 02:34:15,900 --> 02:34:20,220 to put our taxpayer dollars towards this propaganda 2442 02:34:20,220 --> 02:34:23,190 department. This this Ministry of Truth, it's something that 2443 02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:26,220 belongs in a dictatorship and Ministry of Truth does not 2444 02:34:26,250 --> 02:34:28,380 belong in the United States of America. 2445 02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:32,130 You know that the Ministry of Truth thing is it unfortunately, 2446 02:34:32,130 --> 02:34:35,730 it's a misnomer. It's not it's not what the Ministry of Truth 2447 02:34:35,730 --> 02:34:41,460 did in 1984 in the movie in the book, what they did is change 2448 02:34:41,460 --> 02:34:45,780 history to fit the current narrative. That's what the news 2449 02:34:45,780 --> 02:34:53,520 media does. That's there the Ministry of Truth with these Mee 2450 02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:59,100 Mee Mee Mee Mee right this is our job. 2451 02:34:59,370 --> 02:35:02,700 This is ours. Just to tell you what the thing Yeah, not the 2452 02:35:02,700 --> 02:35:06,330 government. I think that's the pushback. I don't Yeah, there's 2453 02:35:06,330 --> 02:35:09,300 nobody that's benevolent in this or oh, you 2454 02:35:09,300 --> 02:35:12,750 know, okay, hold on a second now. Yes. Now I know I know what 2455 02:35:12,750 --> 02:35:19,680 I hear and danobat, Danna bash. She said, she got mad. She said, 2456 02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:22,050 Well, what are you going to be doing with this Ministry of 2457 02:35:22,050 --> 02:35:26,970 Truth? Because we're doing a good enough job was okay. So? 2458 02:35:27,780 --> 02:35:30,330 Aren't we good at shaming people? Why do you have to do a 2459 02:35:30,330 --> 02:35:33,870 different? That's what I heard in her voice, and making 2460 02:35:33,870 --> 02:35:37,920 change whatever they only did, the rubber stamp was 2461 02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:42,030 disinformation. So when it comes back and say, Oh, CNN, you're 2462 02:35:42,030 --> 02:35:45,120 pushing a lot of this agenda. And we see that this is 2463 02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,870 disinformation or whoever, Fox News, the same thing? 2464 02:35:48,930 --> 02:35:53,400 Oh, yes. You widen my perspective to this entire this 2465 02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:55,200 entire Gambit, I appreciate it. 2466 02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:59,610 Alright, so we're going to remind people that I, for the 2467 02:35:59,610 --> 02:36:03,600 longest and Obama was in power. As soon as the election was 2468 02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:06,150 over, yes. Let's just remind people from the doback clip that 2469 02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:08,430 he said it himself that he was up for a third term. 2470 02:36:08,610 --> 02:36:11,670 And what you know, now, do you wish like you had a sec, a third 2471 02:36:11,670 --> 02:36:18,630 term? And I used to say, you know, what, if I could make an 2472 02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:25,230 arrangement, where I had a, I had a stand in a frontman, or 2473 02:36:25,230 --> 02:36:28,290 front woman, and they had an earpiece in and I was just in my 2474 02:36:28,290 --> 02:36:32,310 basement in my sweats, looking through the stuff, and then I 2475 02:36:32,310 --> 02:36:36,930 could sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all 2476 02:36:36,930 --> 02:36:39,870 the talking and ceremony, I'd be fine with it. 2477 02:36:41,550 --> 02:36:45,690 Ya know that, you know how that was really clear. What was going 2478 02:36:45,690 --> 02:36:49,140 on? And it's interesting, because JCD I can't get him to 2479 02:36:49,140 --> 02:36:51,540 believe this. Because, you know, we've talked about it and I 2480 02:36:51,540 --> 02:36:55,470 agree, as has to do so obviously, well, who's who's 2481 02:36:55,470 --> 02:36:59,280 really in charge? It's the whole group. It's the whole Cabal. And 2482 02:36:59,280 --> 02:37:02,190 I think Obama is the is the spokes hole of the Cabal 2483 02:37:02,190 --> 02:37:05,550 internally, you know, they'll worship him. So he's the guy 2484 02:37:05,550 --> 02:37:10,560 and, you know, whoever's got his ear, the communicator. He's, 2485 02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:14,820 he's, well, part of it. Yeah. He's the alpha dog. But it was 2486 02:37:14,820 --> 02:37:19,350 so apparent when he and when he was at the White House, and 2487 02:37:19,380 --> 02:37:25,350 there's just one shot. Obama and the Vice President, they're, you 2488 02:37:25,350 --> 02:37:27,540 know, they're working the crowd, and they're working like 2489 02:37:27,540 --> 02:37:32,220 President, Vice President and Joe Biden is behind them. Know? 2490 02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:37,980 Exactly. And Biden is behind them. Now. We've all seen that 2491 02:37:37,980 --> 02:37:41,610 he's kind of looking lost and stuff. But then he tries to get 2492 02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:44,430 President Obama's attention, puts his hand on the shoulder. 2493 02:37:44,430 --> 02:37:47,280 And I hadn't seen that the first time I saw the clip. And he 2494 02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:52,500 holds his hand there. And Obama does kind of like a quarter, not 2495 02:37:52,500 --> 02:37:55,830 even a quarter like an eighth turn with his head. And out of 2496 02:37:55,830 --> 02:37:59,820 his peripheral vision ceases Joe and just looks right back and 2497 02:37:59,820 --> 02:38:03,120 keeps talking with people. And Biden still has his hand on his 2498 02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:07,350 shoulder. He completely ignores him. Like, 2499 02:38:07,530 --> 02:38:10,590 I don't know what this falsehood and Joe Biden mean, Obama likes 2500 02:38:10,590 --> 02:38:15,840 Joe Biden. He never liked Joe Biden. No, he's he's a clean, 2501 02:38:15,870 --> 02:38:20,970 He's clean. He never liked him. You just needed him. 2502 02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:27,150 Oh, no, this is bad. But he's but that that was a public 2503 02:38:27,150 --> 02:38:31,830 display. And it was a mistake on Obama's part it was a mistake 2504 02:38:31,890 --> 02:38:36,240 and and that will ultimately trip him up in this in this in 2505 02:38:36,240 --> 02:38:39,540 this little thing they've got going on, because he does love 2506 02:38:39,540 --> 02:38:43,200 the attention. And vanity vanity is the one that will get you 2507 02:38:45,150 --> 02:38:49,410 and waited that Obama third term. Hashtag come, you know, 2508 02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:54,540 wait. Yeah, that's gonna be the one but we got to think some 2509 02:38:54,540 --> 02:38:58,140 people first and appreciate some new money. I like brand new 2510 02:38:58,140 --> 02:39:01,920 money. I just I don't want any money around me. It's not. I 2511 02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:05,400 don't want to have a new one than a brand than an old 20. 2512 02:39:06,180 --> 02:39:08,910 That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that 2513 02:39:08,910 --> 02:39:14,820 excites you. You like $100 bills. I like old money to most 2514 02:39:14,820 --> 02:39:17,700 beautiful thing on earth is $100 Bill, I haven't seen a woman is 2515 02:39:17,700 --> 02:39:21,480 good looking at $100 bill that excites you. 2516 02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:26,340 And when that was recorded that $100 Bill was worth $100. And 2517 02:39:26,340 --> 02:39:31,110 now that's probably worth about $40. Maybe even less, we love 2518 02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:34,620 new money as well. We love your Fiat fun coupons. We love this 2519 02:39:34,620 --> 02:39:39,390 Satoshis with a new podcast app, but also people who just send in 2520 02:39:39,390 --> 02:39:43,080 whatever they can. 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Mo facts.com directly to 2601 02:45:05,790 --> 02:45:11,940 the donation page at mo fund me.com moefundme.com. Thank you 2602 02:45:11,940 --> 02:45:14,340 for producing episode number 80. 2603 02:45:17,279 --> 02:45:22,079 So I mentioned before that you brought out the Stanford speech. 2604 02:45:22,979 --> 02:45:30,329 And that was the that was the final draft. He did a one at the 2605 02:45:30,899 --> 02:45:36,029 Chicago University of Chicago. And this is WGN News. The local 2606 02:45:36,029 --> 02:45:39,209 news covered it and it says former President Barack Obama 2607 02:45:39,209 --> 02:45:43,319 was back home in Chicago on Wednesday with an urgent warning 2608 02:45:43,499 --> 02:45:47,969 about disinformation. This is a conversation 2609 02:45:47,970 --> 02:45:50,370 with former President Barack Obama just wrapped up at the 2610 02:45:50,370 --> 02:45:54,060 University of Chicago and how disinformation spreads the war 2611 02:45:54,060 --> 02:45:56,520 in Ukraine among the number of topics he addressed 2612 02:45:56,580 --> 02:45:59,310 WGN political reporter to mon Bradley's there and he joins us 2613 02:45:59,310 --> 02:46:00,300 now with more tomorrow. 2614 02:46:01,800 --> 02:46:04,500 Mike and Ray Good evening, the Atlantic and the University of 2615 02:46:04,500 --> 02:46:08,040 Chicago Institute of Politics teamed up for this look at 2616 02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:11,550 disinformation. It's a topic the former president says he spent a 2617 02:46:11,550 --> 02:46:18,240 lot of time thinking about former President Barack Obama 2618 02:46:18,240 --> 02:46:21,150 back home in Chicago tonight with an urgent warning about 2619 02:46:21,150 --> 02:46:22,650 disinformation, the way 2620 02:46:22,650 --> 02:46:31,710 I define disinformation is if you have a systematic effort to 2621 02:46:32,370 --> 02:46:47,040 either promote false information to suppress true information for 2622 02:46:47,700 --> 02:46:52,620 the purpose of political is Obama Hi. 2623 02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:57,720 I think I understand what you're asking. It's part of it's the 2624 02:46:57,720 --> 02:47:00,360 compression of the audio, I think that it makes it really 2625 02:47:01,380 --> 02:47:02,340 sound like that. 2626 02:47:02,370 --> 02:47:09,300 Not that I'm talking about how slow he is speaking and choosing 2627 02:47:09,300 --> 02:47:15,960 his words. Very, he was always known to be that flow. Ah, 2628 02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:19,680 no, you know, this. This is an interesting observation in the, 2629 02:47:19,860 --> 02:47:23,340 in the Stanford because I watched the whole thing. The 2630 02:47:23,340 --> 02:47:27,930 Stanford speech was an hour long speech, really only 30 minutes 2631 02:47:27,930 --> 02:47:34,260 of speech. He was doing 678 Second pauses in between his his 2632 02:47:34,350 --> 02:47:35,430 sentences. 2633 02:47:35,970 --> 02:47:39,000 I found it very hard to listen to. And that's why I brought it 2634 02:47:39,000 --> 02:47:42,990 up. Like, what? What did I mean? Like, is it long? COVID? I mean, 2635 02:47:42,990 --> 02:47:49,260 like, what what is it? I mean, that he has to stop. And yeah, 2636 02:47:49,620 --> 02:47:55,680 collect his words, when he would say the true talent of him was 2637 02:47:55,680 --> 02:47:59,700 that that flow net vibe that he had when he was here, you know, 2638 02:47:59,700 --> 02:48:00,390 information. 2639 02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:06,450 Oh, and I observe this, and he still has that flow. It's just 2640 02:48:06,450 --> 02:48:11,310 he's, when he stops, he stops we're real long time. Like 2641 02:48:11,310 --> 02:48:14,250 someone said, Man, that's really impressive when you do that. 2642 02:48:15,510 --> 02:48:18,600 That's that's what it feels like to me. Oh, man, you and you that 2643 02:48:18,600 --> 02:48:22,320 really gives you power and it makes you feel like you're just 2644 02:48:22,350 --> 02:48:25,590 you're the you're the top dog of the world who can do that you 2645 02:48:25,590 --> 02:48:28,620 can make everyone wait and listen in silence for seven 2646 02:48:28,620 --> 02:48:29,550 seconds. 2647 02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:33,870 I just found it weird and very hard to listen to information. 2648 02:48:37,350 --> 02:48:46,740 To suppress true information for the purpose of political gain 2649 02:48:46,740 --> 02:48:47,760 financial game, 2650 02:48:47,820 --> 02:48:50,070 the former president telling this conference held at the 2651 02:48:50,070 --> 02:48:53,550 University of Chicago Institute of Politics, that normal debate 2652 02:48:53,550 --> 02:48:57,870 of ideas is fine, but systemic disinformation is destructive. 2653 02:48:59,310 --> 02:49:00,210 Okay, so sent 2654 02:49:00,210 --> 02:49:09,420 nancial gain Yes. I think that they really want to hijack 2655 02:49:09,750 --> 02:49:14,670 corporate media and turn it to state media. It makes things a 2656 02:49:14,670 --> 02:49:18,930 hell of a lot easier. Um, they don't have these problems over 2657 02:49:18,930 --> 02:49:25,530 PBS. Because the state is state funded. And I think that's the 2658 02:49:25,560 --> 02:49:28,770 you brought up Europe and saying, okay, we can we don't 2659 02:49:28,770 --> 02:49:32,700 want we won't let Twitter in. You know, if you don't, I think 2660 02:49:32,730 --> 02:49:37,230 that's what they crave. Is that now he got me doing it. Is that 2661 02:49:37,590 --> 02:49:40,410 kind of control and power? 2662 02:49:45,840 --> 02:49:48,720 So it's not about Twitter, then. That's a very good point. 2663 02:49:50,460 --> 02:49:55,080 Ha and Okay, fine. All the newspapers. Yes, they did. I 2664 02:49:55,080 --> 02:49:57,210 mean, what was the guy's name? Hearst. 2665 02:49:57,600 --> 02:50:00,900 Yeah, will will Hearst Randall for Are we at random, 2666 02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:04,680 the big newspaper? I mean, he went bought all this new small, 2667 02:50:04,680 --> 02:50:08,550 new newspapers. I think this is the similar thing. This is the 2668 02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:09,270 printing press. 2669 02:50:11,759 --> 02:50:15,209 But they're gonna do it through regulation and legislation. 2670 02:50:15,899 --> 02:50:18,449 I think that's the control mechanism the government wants, 2671 02:50:18,989 --> 02:50:21,959 and the corporate media still corporate at the end of the day, 2672 02:50:21,959 --> 02:50:28,589 and they want to make money and severe oppression from the 2673 02:50:28,589 --> 02:50:33,239 government is not good for business. They've done this long 2674 02:50:33,239 --> 02:50:35,129 enough. So let's go ahead and get to the second piece of this 2675 02:50:35,159 --> 02:50:37,379 clip. It is difficult for 2676 02:50:37,380 --> 02:50:50,310 me to see how we we win the contest of ideas. If in fact, we 2677 02:50:50,310 --> 02:50:59,220 are not able to agree on a baseline of facts. 2678 02:50:59,250 --> 02:51:01,710 The former president also offered thoughts about Russia's 2679 02:51:01,710 --> 02:51:04,740 attack on Ukraine. He said Vladimir Putin's aggression 2680 02:51:04,860 --> 02:51:07,800 should serve as a reminder to the world that democracy is 2681 02:51:07,800 --> 02:51:08,370 fragile. 2682 02:51:08,490 --> 02:51:16,560 It is a tragedy of historic proportions. It is a bracing 2683 02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:27,630 reminder for democracies that have gotten that had gotten 2684 02:51:27,630 --> 02:51:34,950 flabby and what's happening there is not isolated. What 2685 02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:40,890 we're seeing is a reversion back to old ways of thinking about 2686 02:51:40,890 --> 02:51:47,520 power, and place and identity. 2687 02:51:50,040 --> 02:51:53,640 So Mr. Obama has answers for disinformation. For starters, he 2688 02:51:53,640 --> 02:51:58,110 says America must grapple with the internet's fascination for 2689 02:51:58,140 --> 02:52:01,380 crazy, and he says there's no silver bullet. 2690 02:52:05,490 --> 02:52:10,830 You can't make no promises the right in true government form. 2691 02:52:11,130 --> 02:52:16,020 So when I heard this, and I heard Chicago University that 2692 02:52:16,020 --> 02:52:20,850 rang a bell with me, and we got to go all the way back to show 2693 02:52:20,850 --> 02:52:26,760 five. And that was the Popeyes chicken sandwich. And nudging 2694 02:52:26,790 --> 02:52:30,120 episode. Oh, yeah, I remember this. Okay. Yeah. And this is 2695 02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:34,170 Professor Richard Thayer. I think I pronounced it. Yeah, 2696 02:52:34,170 --> 02:52:38,280 he's from He's a graduate of Chicago University. And he talks 2697 02:52:38,280 --> 02:52:39,150 about nudging. 2698 02:52:39,839 --> 02:52:45,599 Yes, some people worry that the idea of choice architects and 2699 02:52:45,599 --> 02:52:50,219 nudging is somehow leading to Big Brother. And that's not the 2700 02:52:50,219 --> 02:52:53,879 way we think about it. One of the points we stress in the book 2701 02:52:53,879 --> 02:52:58,109 is that there has to be some choice architecture. So the 2702 02:52:58,109 --> 02:53:02,009 person who designs that cafeteria downstairs has to put 2703 02:53:02,009 --> 02:53:04,919 the food somewhere, the salad has to be in front of the 2704 02:53:04,919 --> 02:53:08,549 burgers or behind the burgers, given that you have to arrange 2705 02:53:08,549 --> 02:53:13,199 the food in some order. We argue, why not have the choice 2706 02:53:13,199 --> 02:53:17,819 architect, arrange the food in such a way that people will be 2707 02:53:17,819 --> 02:53:20,729 happier and healthier. And maybe live a little 2708 02:53:23,160 --> 02:53:26,190 choice architects Yes, I'd forgotten that term. 2709 02:53:26,550 --> 02:53:31,860 And that soda nudge is the gas. Like think this, let me put this 2710 02:53:31,860 --> 02:53:34,500 in front of you. nudge nudge nudge right now, what they want 2711 02:53:34,500 --> 02:53:38,610 to put in is the brakes. This this information thing like, 2712 02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:42,450 okay, the choice architects are saying, Okay, this is good for 2713 02:53:42,450 --> 02:53:45,270 you. This is good for you. This is unhealthy. We can't talk 2714 02:53:45,270 --> 02:53:48,330 about this topic. We want to shape this topic this way. And I 2715 02:53:48,330 --> 02:53:51,600 think this is what you were talking about the procedures of 2716 02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:55,530 the of the board. Yep. The governance board. I think this 2717 02:53:55,530 --> 02:53:59,730 is it. They are chores architects. Because remember, 2718 02:53:59,730 --> 02:54:03,570 Obama was the one that brought the nudge. It was official, I 2719 02:54:03,570 --> 02:54:10,200 forget the name of it, but the nudging wing of the government 2720 02:54:10,200 --> 02:54:10,530 in 2721 02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:15,930 you mean the after the Smith Mundt Act was? 2722 02:54:16,380 --> 02:54:19,680 No this is way before that. This is when he said okay, we can 2723 02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:22,980 bring in. They were they were basically saying we could do 2724 02:54:22,980 --> 02:54:29,460 open propaganda this this month, because that was in 25th 2018. 2725 02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:30,990 Well, it was it was it was 2726 02:54:31,230 --> 02:54:38,160 it was 2012. It was overturned or was it was kind of nullified 2727 02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:42,690 in the National Defense Authorization Act in 2012. I 2728 02:54:42,690 --> 02:54:45,630 think we're talking about the same thing, because they removed 2729 02:54:47,370 --> 02:54:51,030 they overturn that. And so now it was possible to go ahead and 2730 02:54:51,030 --> 02:54:52,830 propagandize Americans. 2731 02:54:54,960 --> 02:54:57,930 Yep. So I mean, what it was a government organization that was 2732 02:54:57,930 --> 02:55:02,490 doing the nudging and they kind of went private after Trump came 2733 02:55:02,490 --> 02:55:04,260 in. They all went into the private sector. 2734 02:55:04,500 --> 02:55:07,860 Yeah, I'm trying to I, this rings a bell. I can't I can't 2735 02:55:07,860 --> 02:55:08,970 remember what it was, 2736 02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,840 what was the name? I can't come back to Episode Five we talked 2737 02:55:12,840 --> 02:55:13,560 about in detail 2738 02:55:13,590 --> 02:55:16,950 here was the nudge nudge unit or something? Yeah. 2739 02:55:17,340 --> 02:55:21,510 So I think this is this is just another, you know, another piece 2740 02:55:21,510 --> 02:55:24,600 of that. So now I have this piece from this is from local 2741 02:55:25,170 --> 02:55:30,900 five an hour. And this is like this is reaching the masses. And 2742 02:55:30,930 --> 02:55:35,190 I could have, I could have made a supercut out of at least seven 2743 02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:40,830 or eight nasaw in a search on review of local news pushing 2744 02:55:40,830 --> 02:55:43,350 what as finding what disinformation and 2745 02:55:43,350 --> 02:55:46,830 misinformation was, and the difference between the two. But 2746 02:55:46,830 --> 02:55:50,130 this one was special, because they and they include a new 2747 02:55:50,370 --> 02:55:53,430 third form of bad information. 2748 02:55:54,480 --> 02:55:57,420 If you were to dive into the dark web, you'd find a lot of 2749 02:55:57,420 --> 02:56:01,020 information you couldn't find with say just a simple Google 2750 02:56:01,020 --> 02:56:03,720 search and a lot of what's down there is simply false 2751 02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:07,080 information. In recent years that false information has made 2752 02:56:07,080 --> 02:56:10,920 its way to mainstream platforms. Now a simple Google search will 2753 02:56:10,920 --> 02:56:14,100 show you ideas, thoughts and movements previously hidden away 2754 02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:17,070 from the dark corners of the internet. To protect yourself 2755 02:56:17,070 --> 02:56:19,980 against what's false and harmful, you need to understand 2756 02:56:19,980 --> 02:56:22,800 how that information comes to exist in the first place and how 2757 02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:26,100 it comes across your social media feeds. Now there are three 2758 02:56:26,100 --> 02:56:29,730 different types of content as identified by first draft that 2759 02:56:29,730 --> 02:56:33,450 is an organization fighting to bring you truth on what you read 2760 02:56:33,450 --> 02:56:37,260 and watch disinformation, misinformation and Mal 2761 02:56:37,260 --> 02:56:40,620 information. Collectively, these three groups are known as 2762 02:56:40,620 --> 02:56:43,770 information disorder, let's start with the first 2763 02:56:43,860 --> 02:56:48,000 disinformation is intentionally false. It's designed to cause 2764 02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:51,930 harm, that's often backed by motivations to make money to 2765 02:56:51,930 --> 02:56:55,140 have political influence or cause trouble just for the sake 2766 02:56:55,140 --> 02:56:59,430 of it. The second misinformation that's also false content, but 2767 02:56:59,550 --> 02:57:02,250 the person sharing it doesn't realize it's false or 2768 02:57:02,250 --> 02:57:05,940 misleading. This is driven by socio psychological factors. 2769 02:57:05,940 --> 02:57:09,090 These people want to feel connected to their tribe, 2770 02:57:09,090 --> 02:57:11,700 whether that's the same political party activists for 2771 02:57:11,700 --> 02:57:15,120 climate change or those that belong to a certain religion, 2772 02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:19,350 race or ethnic group. Finally, Mal information this is genuine 2773 02:57:19,350 --> 02:57:23,070 information shared with the intent to cause harm. An example 2774 02:57:23,070 --> 02:57:25,680 is when Russian hackers hacked the Democratic National 2775 02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:29,490 Committee, Hillary Clinton his campaigns and emails, they leak 2776 02:57:29,490 --> 02:57:33,660 certain details just to damage reputations. So before you hit 2777 02:57:33,690 --> 02:57:37,110 or share or retweet, stop and ask yourself how that 2778 02:57:37,110 --> 02:57:40,500 information came to exist. And whether it's at all credible. 2779 02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:48,870 It was the social second, I got it here Mo. 2780 02:57:48,930 --> 02:57:50,040 It's like it's a mount. It's, 2781 02:57:50,310 --> 02:57:54,420 it's a mouthful. It's a social and behavioral sciences team. 2782 02:57:55,830 --> 02:58:00,810 That's who President Obama used to get insights from psychology, 2783 02:58:00,810 --> 02:58:04,590 behavioral economics, and other decision sciences to improve 2784 02:58:04,590 --> 02:58:09,360 federal programs and operations, also known as the Nudge Unit. 2785 02:58:11,880 --> 02:58:14,070 That's when he was in his first term first. 2786 02:58:14,430 --> 02:58:15,480 Right now he's 2787 02:58:15,480 --> 02:58:22,230 in his third tire. That was what Miss mount information did you 2788 02:58:22,260 --> 02:58:24,450 did you pick up on what they were saying there? 2789 02:58:24,780 --> 02:58:27,780 Yeah, I had heard this. I didn't like that didn't think their 2790 02:58:27,780 --> 02:58:31,470 example was correct. Because that wasn't mal information. 2791 02:58:31,500 --> 02:58:37,710 That was that was true. That was real document. So that's not 2792 02:58:37,710 --> 02:58:39,180 what mal information is. Yes, 2793 02:58:39,210 --> 02:58:45,150 that's that's exactly what it is. Listen to what he said. He 2794 02:58:45,150 --> 02:58:49,440 said it's true. It's genuine information, but you're using it 2795 02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:50,520 to hurt people. 2796 02:58:53,340 --> 02:58:56,550 I mean, listen to that again, because there was something in 2797 02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:58,170 there that made me think differently 2798 02:58:58,200 --> 02:59:02,130 misinformation that's also false content, but the person sharing 2799 02:59:02,130 --> 02:59:05,520 it doesn't realize it's false or misleading. This is driven by 2800 02:59:05,550 --> 02:59:09,180 socio psychological factors. These people want this for 2801 02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:12,600 climate change or those that belong to a certain religion 2802 02:59:12,600 --> 02:59:16,860 race or ethnic group. Finally, Mal information this is genuine 2803 02:59:16,860 --> 02:59:20,550 information shared with the intent to cause harm. An example 2804 02:59:20,550 --> 02:59:22,140 is when Russian hacker okay 2805 02:59:22,200 --> 02:59:29,520 all right. The thing is, he's explaining mal information with 2806 02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:35,340 disinformation because Russian hackers did not hack the DNC DNC 2807 02:59:35,340 --> 02:59:39,360 server was stolen from inside most likely to Seth Rich 2808 02:59:39,870 --> 02:59:42,480 but he's justified to do it. It's a you from the mount 2809 02:59:42,480 --> 02:59:48,780 information guide understand? It's their psychology is but 2810 02:59:48,810 --> 02:59:54,480 that's yeah, it's okay to do it. It's okay to use any tactics. 2811 02:59:54,540 --> 02:59:59,430 Yeah, no, these people. Look. I know bugs are bad. No, it's a 2812 02:59:59,430 --> 03:00:03,150 tough stuff. wasn't tough pill to swallow to eat bugs. But 2813 03:00:03,150 --> 03:00:07,140 we're making it popular. So it was good for you. Because if you 2814 03:00:07,140 --> 03:00:12,240 go back and look at what the guy there were saying, and let me 2815 03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:15,930 get the name of his book one more time. It's the nudge 2816 03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:20,430 improving decisions about health, wealth and happiness. So 2817 03:00:20,430 --> 03:00:25,080 we nudge you because we love you desperate. These people tell you 2818 03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:29,250 the truth because they hate you, even though it's true, is now 2819 03:00:29,250 --> 03:00:33,060 information. And now we can start saying, even if it's true, 2820 03:00:33,450 --> 03:00:37,470 we can ban it. Where do we end up? Yeah. 2821 03:00:38,640 --> 03:00:44,010 People who do that? I mean, so that inverse of a witness truth. 2822 03:00:44,250 --> 03:00:47,040 That's really bad, and they're trying to hurt you. But we're 2823 03:00:47,040 --> 03:00:52,020 lying to you. Because we love you. Isn't that literally the 2824 03:00:52,020 --> 03:00:57,390 work of the devil? Yes, it's got to be Yeah, it's upside down 2825 03:00:57,390 --> 03:00:58,230 world, okay, 2826 03:00:58,260 --> 03:01:02,850 or they're playing God. Right. Just do that. And inverse. 2827 03:01:02,970 --> 03:01:05,670 Also, it's also a no, no. Yeah, 2828 03:01:05,700 --> 03:01:08,820 the worst thing is they're saying, trust me, just like with 2829 03:01:08,820 --> 03:01:12,300 joy and reading Shireen Mitchell, right. They would knew 2830 03:01:12,330 --> 03:01:16,740 what they were saying was bad, but they're like, okay, but this 2831 03:01:16,740 --> 03:01:20,430 will get Trump out of office. Yeah. So it's all justified? 2832 03:01:20,430 --> 03:01:24,510 Yes, of course. Yeah. So that's how I look at it. So that mount 2833 03:01:24,510 --> 03:01:29,220 information, we got to keep an eye on that one. But once again, 2834 03:01:29,220 --> 03:01:33,900 I have some more clips of Obama, and this is 33. 2835 03:01:35,070 --> 03:01:37,890 So after years of dangerous disinformation being spread on 2836 03:01:37,890 --> 03:01:40,830 social media, it is time for Silicon Valley Valley's 2837 03:01:40,830 --> 03:01:44,220 unregulated days to end that is the message President Obama 2838 03:01:44,220 --> 03:01:46,950 delivered to an audience actually at Stanford University 2839 03:01:46,950 --> 03:01:50,310 just this week, where he said, quote, people are dying because 2840 03:01:50,310 --> 03:01:51,300 of misinformation. 2841 03:01:52,770 --> 03:01:58,710 People like Putin. And Steve Bannon, for that matter. There 2842 03:01:58,710 --> 03:02:03,090 it is. Understand, it's not necessary for people to believe 2843 03:02:03,330 --> 03:02:07,560 this information, in order to weaken democratic institutions. 2844 03:02:09,420 --> 03:02:12,330 You just have to flood a country's Public Square with 2845 03:02:12,330 --> 03:02:17,340 enough raw sewage. You just have to raise enough questions, 2846 03:02:17,370 --> 03:02:25,980 spread enough dirt. Plant enough conspiracy theorizing that said 2847 03:02:25,980 --> 03:02:28,440 citizens no longer know what to believe. 2848 03:02:31,080 --> 03:02:34,320 Now, I applaud the President's message. But I have to ask, 2849 03:02:34,890 --> 03:02:37,980 Where have you been? This is a speech that should have been 2850 03:02:37,980 --> 03:02:42,390 delivered years ago, and not on some random Thursday in April at 2851 03:02:42,390 --> 03:02:46,860 a California University. But on a platform the whole world would 2852 03:02:46,860 --> 03:02:47,880 pay attention to. 2853 03:02:49,950 --> 03:02:54,420 If Gurdon if governing me hearted daddy was a person, that 2854 03:02:54,420 --> 03:03:02,100 would be Yeah, where were you? Government harder daddy. It's 2855 03:03:02,100 --> 03:03:08,640 like, what sick? It's sick. Would you ever think we will be 2856 03:03:08,640 --> 03:03:12,150 in a day where the media especially the left wing media 2857 03:03:12,420 --> 03:03:16,290 will be telling the government? Yes. Yes. Governance harder? 2858 03:03:17,070 --> 03:03:21,540 No, no, but it's it means the left is right, right is left up 2859 03:03:21,540 --> 03:03:24,090 is down. Red is blue. Who the hell knows who's right? 2860 03:03:24,360 --> 03:03:27,510 Or you have people who are saying on the right hand side? 2861 03:03:27,540 --> 03:03:32,340 No, supporting Russia or don't want conflict with Russia is 2862 03:03:32,340 --> 03:03:35,400 completely weird. And I know let's say a weird a lot. But I 2863 03:03:35,400 --> 03:03:37,110 don't know a better word for is 2864 03:03:37,140 --> 03:03:40,290 Well, that's nice. But that shows the brain. Yeah, that 2865 03:03:40,290 --> 03:03:43,530 shows you that. It's, it's not about conviction. It's about 2866 03:03:43,530 --> 03:03:47,790 other things. And I would say money. Money drives a lot of 2867 03:03:47,820 --> 03:03:49,140 decisions people make and 2868 03:03:49,140 --> 03:03:53,760 that's our only hope. So we got that said that said it every 2869 03:03:53,760 --> 03:03:59,460 day. They that's why Twitter was what sold at the end of the day, 2870 03:03:59,610 --> 03:04:02,760 if they could have somehow said okay, we can not sell it and not 2871 03:04:02,760 --> 03:04:06,570 get sued and lose a bunch of money. They want to sold it. But 2872 03:04:06,570 --> 03:04:09,930 it's kind of like That's why capitalism is a good thing. 2873 03:04:10,710 --> 03:04:14,100 Yeah, I mean, it. I hate to say it, but like greed is good. I 2874 03:04:14,100 --> 03:04:17,700 mean, that's so bad. They're saying but that's the only 2875 03:04:17,700 --> 03:04:23,010 logical thing we have left. Is if is monetarily beneficial or 2876 03:04:23,010 --> 03:04:29,970 not. Everything else is just is propaganda. Yes, sir. All right, 2877 03:04:29,970 --> 03:04:32,850 so let's go ahead and get to it. People are dying part two. 2878 03:04:33,540 --> 03:04:36,960 Our panel is back with us. Maya correct me if I'm wrong here. 2879 03:04:36,990 --> 03:04:41,070 Those are my thoughts. I'm a firm believer that we have a 2880 03:04:41,670 --> 03:04:45,780 disinformation pandemic around the world. Your reaction to 2881 03:04:45,780 --> 03:04:49,230 Obama speech. Well, a 2882 03:04:49,260 --> 03:04:53,460 I'm glad David I'm glad that he was fairly unvarnished I'm glad 2883 03:04:53,460 --> 03:04:54,210 that he actually 2884 03:04:55,590 --> 03:04:59,970 do you have any more Obama in this clip? Was just just them. 2885 03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:02,550 Talking about it. I think just even talking about right because 2886 03:05:02,550 --> 03:05:05,940 I want to share, I want to share a clip that I that I clipped 2887 03:05:05,940 --> 03:05:10,080 from this that completely corroborates with him being in 2888 03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:10,740 charge. 2889 03:05:10,770 --> 03:05:14,190 The First Amendment is a check on the power of the state. It 2890 03:05:14,190 --> 03:05:17,100 doesn't apply to private companies like Facebook or 2891 03:05:17,100 --> 03:05:20,670 Twitter, any more than it applies to editorial decisions 2892 03:05:20,670 --> 03:05:24,690 made by the New York Times or Fox News never has. Social media 2893 03:05:24,690 --> 03:05:28,710 companies already make choices about what is or is not allowed 2894 03:05:28,710 --> 03:05:32,820 on their platforms, and how that content appears, both explicitly 2895 03:05:32,820 --> 03:05:35,670 through content moderation and implicitly through algorithms. 2896 03:05:36,120 --> 03:05:38,760 The problem is we often don't know what principles govern 2897 03:05:38,760 --> 03:05:42,840 those decisions. And on an issue of enormous public interest, 2898 03:05:43,020 --> 03:05:45,930 there has been little public debate and practically no 2899 03:05:45,930 --> 03:05:49,710 democratic oversight. Any rules we come up with to govern the 2900 03:05:49,710 --> 03:05:53,850 distribution of content on the internet, will involve value 2901 03:05:53,850 --> 03:05:58,380 judgments. None of us are perfectly objective. What we 2902 03:05:58,380 --> 03:06:02,640 consider an unshakable truth today may prove to be totally 2903 03:06:02,640 --> 03:06:05,190 wrong tomorrow. But that doesn't mean 2904 03:06:06,690 --> 03:06:07,500 that gets better. 2905 03:06:07,530 --> 03:06:09,900 Some things aren't truer than others. 2906 03:06:09,930 --> 03:06:12,570 Some are truer than others, you know, you've got your 2907 03:06:12,570 --> 03:06:13,980 alternative reality 2908 03:06:14,700 --> 03:06:19,080 are that we can draw lines between opinions, facts, honest 2909 03:06:19,080 --> 03:06:23,460 mistakes, intentional deceptions. We make these 2910 03:06:23,460 --> 03:06:27,930 distinctions all the time in our daily lives, at work, in school, 2911 03:06:27,960 --> 03:06:32,940 at home, in sports, and we can do the same when it comes to 2912 03:06:32,940 --> 03:06:37,020 internet content. As long as we agree on a set of principles, 2913 03:06:37,500 --> 03:06:42,420 some core values to guide the work. So in the interest of full 2914 03:06:42,420 --> 03:06:46,860 transparency, here's what I think our guiding principles 2915 03:06:46,860 --> 03:06:50,820 should be. The way I'm going to evaluate any proposal touching 2916 03:06:50,820 --> 03:06:53,490 on social media and the internet. Yeah, 2917 03:06:53,490 --> 03:06:57,360 it is you picked it up on it immediately. The way I'm going 2918 03:06:57,360 --> 03:07:03,810 to evaluate any proposal. I mean, hello. I mean, it's one 2919 03:07:03,810 --> 03:07:06,540 thing to say, Hey, man, you know, before I make a decision, 2920 03:07:06,540 --> 03:07:09,390 I'm going to look at every single proposal before I, before 2921 03:07:09,390 --> 03:07:13,200 I give a judgement. Before I discuss anything, I'll look at 2922 03:07:13,200 --> 03:07:17,310 all the proposals, but no, here's how I will evaluate what 2923 03:07:17,310 --> 03:07:20,310 you will have to deal with. He's in charge. This is it. 2924 03:07:20,610 --> 03:07:24,180 What I think our guiding principles should be. The way 2925 03:07:24,210 --> 03:07:27,330 I'm going to evaluate any proposal touching on social 2926 03:07:27,330 --> 03:07:31,950 media and the internet is whether it strengthens or 2927 03:07:31,950 --> 03:07:36,900 weakens the prospects for a healthy, inclusive democracy, 2928 03:07:37,560 --> 03:07:41,310 whether it encourages robust debate and respect for our 2929 03:07:41,310 --> 03:07:45,510 differences, whether it reinforces rule of law and self 2930 03:07:45,510 --> 03:07:50,160 governance, whether it helps us make collective decisions based 2931 03:07:50,160 --> 03:07:54,090 on the best available information. And whether it 2932 03:07:54,090 --> 03:07:57,330 recognizes the rights and freedoms and dignity of all of 2933 03:07:57,330 --> 03:07:58,050 our citizens. 2934 03:07:58,740 --> 03:08:02,070 Anyway, I thought I'd play that to corroborate, you know, 2935 03:08:02,100 --> 03:08:09,840 that's that spot on to say, unshakable truths today. It 2936 03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:14,790 could be could be facts not being night. Not true tomorrow. 2937 03:08:14,820 --> 03:08:15,090 Yeah. 2938 03:08:15,150 --> 03:08:15,900 And I great. 2939 03:08:18,810 --> 03:08:25,050 You got me on. Thinking that I'm waiting when I hear that what I 2940 03:08:25,050 --> 03:08:29,490 hear is, yeah, the vet the facts about the vaccine that we had 2941 03:08:29,490 --> 03:08:32,790 the information we had two years ago. Yeah, it was on shakable 2942 03:08:32,790 --> 03:08:36,900 troops. But you know, as you know, as our learning increased, 2943 03:08:36,900 --> 03:08:40,200 we found out Yes, not good. Yes. No. Can't hold that against us, 2944 03:08:40,200 --> 03:08:40,980 though. Science, 2945 03:08:40,980 --> 03:08:45,180 Science. All right. Now we'll go back to to the panel, the second 2946 03:08:45,180 --> 03:08:48,270 part of the panel discussing this very speech, Obama. No, you 2947 03:08:48,270 --> 03:08:51,060 actually know, you don't have to play that now. Okay. 2948 03:08:51,630 --> 03:08:52,950 All right. We've already just jump, 2949 03:08:53,220 --> 03:08:58,440 we can jump straight to how you ask the question about how 2950 03:08:58,440 --> 03:09:01,380 they're going to do it, or who's going to do it. I guess we're 2951 03:09:01,380 --> 03:09:03,540 going to go and jumping in 35. 2952 03:09:04,140 --> 03:09:07,890 I think you reminded us that there's choices made in every 2953 03:09:07,890 --> 03:09:11,670 piece of tech that gets built in every piece of software that's 2954 03:09:11,670 --> 03:09:15,030 compiled, if we can leverage those choices to be not around 2955 03:09:15,030 --> 03:09:17,910 our anxieties and fears. But to be around hope. I think we can 2956 03:09:17,910 --> 03:09:21,480 start taking the right steps in a direction that regulates 2957 03:09:21,480 --> 03:09:23,760 what's happening in the world out there so that democracy is 2958 03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:24,930 insured for everyone. 2959 03:09:25,380 --> 03:09:28,650 Some of that has to do with political and financial forces 2960 03:09:29,010 --> 03:09:31,920 that are deliberately manipulating and spreading 2961 03:09:31,950 --> 03:09:37,620 falsehoods that can have really dire consequences. The good news 2962 03:09:37,620 --> 03:09:40,650 is I think that everybody's identifying this now as a 2963 03:09:40,650 --> 03:09:44,490 problem, partly because of what we've seen with the anti Vax 2964 03:09:44,490 --> 03:09:48,930 movement online. What happened after January 6, and the 2965 03:09:48,930 --> 03:09:51,780 mythology that somehow last presidential election wasn't 2966 03:09:51,780 --> 03:09:56,400 fair. They're seeing vividly in places like Ukraine, the 2967 03:09:56,400 --> 03:10:00,480 consequences of when you have dictatorships can trawling 2968 03:10:00,480 --> 03:10:03,930 information. Now, what we have to do is start figuring out what 2969 03:10:03,930 --> 03:10:07,230 are the solutions, it is unlikely you will be able to 2970 03:10:07,230 --> 03:10:11,820 change those political structures immediately. That 2971 03:10:11,820 --> 03:10:15,300 then connected with the broader conference and conversation I 2972 03:10:15,300 --> 03:10:18,480 had on stage about disinformation misinformation. 2973 03:10:19,230 --> 03:10:22,770 Our goal in the foundation is to train the next generation of 2974 03:10:22,770 --> 03:10:27,000 leaders and give them platforms and connections and make sure 2975 03:10:27,000 --> 03:10:29,610 they're not isolated and that they're learning from each other 2976 03:10:29,610 --> 03:10:34,500 across borders. And uniformly they're all confronting these 2977 03:10:34,500 --> 03:10:40,170 issues about how do I deal with misinformation in my country? In 2978 03:10:40,170 --> 03:10:44,520 my town, how do I get access to the public so that they know the 2979 03:10:44,520 --> 03:10:48,060 facts that are affecting their lives? And so we through the 2980 03:10:48,060 --> 03:10:52,170 foundation, we're really soliciting from young people 2981 03:10:52,170 --> 03:10:54,900 ideas, and trying out a bunch of things? 2982 03:10:56,220 --> 03:10:59,580 Ah, the foundation, okay. 2983 03:11:00,060 --> 03:11:04,080 The foundation, this came from the Obama Foundation, website, 2984 03:11:04,500 --> 03:11:09,480 YouTube channel. And then you know, we had 4k views. I mean, 2985 03:11:09,570 --> 03:11:13,980 for you to be the most popular president in history. Your video 2986 03:11:13,980 --> 03:11:18,630 had no comments and 4k views. This is why we're kicking their 2987 03:11:18,630 --> 03:11:26,130 ass. And I just have to say it. They don't have any pizzazz. The 2988 03:11:26,130 --> 03:11:29,790 biggest cap in the world or the biggest lotto in the world, 2989 03:11:29,820 --> 03:11:33,960 everybody loves Obama. Nobody really cares about Obama. This 2990 03:11:33,960 --> 03:11:37,080 is why his podcast got cancelled. This is embarrassing. 2991 03:11:38,880 --> 03:11:42,750 The pod father and I got it never podcast before beat you 2992 03:11:42,750 --> 03:11:43,170 kick your 2993 03:11:43,170 --> 03:11:46,500 ass kick. You're in the band, Bruce Springsteen kicks both 2994 03:11:46,500 --> 03:11:47,250 your asses. 2995 03:11:50,550 --> 03:11:53,430 I'll get on my soapbox for a minute. It's embarrassing. You 2996 03:11:53,430 --> 03:11:53,700 do 2997 03:11:53,700 --> 03:11:56,040 it? You do it? Yes. 2998 03:11:56,670 --> 03:12:00,030 We have that big team, you will? Well, we got two laptops and 2999 03:12:02,250 --> 03:12:04,950 a couple of strings and some gaffer tape. 3000 03:12:07,260 --> 03:12:11,820 Yeah, good. You tapped out? No. So that's why they're worried. 3001 03:12:11,850 --> 03:12:14,220 That's why they have to control the narrative. That's why they 3002 03:12:14,220 --> 03:12:17,100 get threatened when somebody goes and buys Twitter, because 3003 03:12:17,100 --> 03:12:20,490 they're getting beat biased. So you think somebody has the whole 3004 03:12:20,490 --> 03:12:23,610 platform. And like I said, I'm not capable for Elon at all, 3005 03:12:23,610 --> 03:12:27,120 because I can't get past the branch IP thing for me. And then 3006 03:12:27,180 --> 03:12:31,620 the funniest thing was at all what we can get to last two 3007 03:12:31,620 --> 03:12:37,500 clips is I had guys I know the Flat Earthers are pro Eli. It's 3008 03:12:37,500 --> 03:12:40,590 like, what about that dome over the earth that you're talking 3009 03:12:40,590 --> 03:12:42,810 about? Oh, now you've missed the Space X. 3010 03:12:44,070 --> 03:12:48,570 Not me. I'm consistent, firm and first baby as above so below. 3011 03:12:52,050 --> 03:12:57,570 No, but that's that's how crazy what crazy time we are that 3012 03:12:57,570 --> 03:13:02,310 people are going against things they are steadfast in to support 3013 03:13:02,310 --> 03:13:07,860 the hot new thing. And And just to wrap up these last two clips, 3014 03:13:07,860 --> 03:13:19,980 I sent you a PDF. And this is the house resolution 11154 which 3015 03:13:19,980 --> 03:13:23,250 you like to read some of that, before we get into these next 3016 03:13:23,250 --> 03:13:25,740 short clip sharp ideas. 3017 03:13:25,770 --> 03:13:30,660 I don't believe I've seen this but here is whereas Oh, this is 3018 03:13:30,660 --> 03:13:35,010 a this is a resolution. So just so this is not a bill but a 3019 03:13:35,010 --> 03:13:39,780 resolution resolution. A res a resolution is where in this case 3020 03:13:39,780 --> 03:13:43,560 the House of Representatives is going to make a statement as to 3021 03:13:43,560 --> 03:13:48,090 what they believe in in on a certain matter and that will in 3022 03:13:48,090 --> 03:13:52,860 some, to some degree will determine their policy, whereas 3023 03:13:52,950 --> 03:13:58,230 October 2 2020 2020 whereas throughout history conspiracy 3024 03:13:58,230 --> 03:14:01,350 theories that falsely blamed secret cabals or marginalized 3025 03:14:01,350 --> 03:14:05,640 groups for society for society's ills have fueled prejudice, 3026 03:14:05,640 --> 03:14:10,200 genocide and acts of terrorism. Whereas Q anon is a movement 3027 03:14:10,200 --> 03:14:13,140 promoting a collection of unfounded conspiracy theories 3028 03:14:13,140 --> 03:14:18,330 that are spread wild, widely on the internet since 2017. Whereas 3029 03:14:18,330 --> 03:14:21,630 Q anon initially alleged that prominent Americans are engaged 3030 03:14:21,630 --> 03:14:24,750 in a secret plot to control the world while using their power to 3031 03:14:24,750 --> 03:14:27,990 exploit children and has expanded to embrace virtually 3032 03:14:27,990 --> 03:14:31,410 every popular conspiracy theory of the last several decades from 3033 03:14:31,410 --> 03:14:34,470 questioning the truth about the September 11 terrorist attacks 3034 03:14:34,470 --> 03:14:37,710 to believing in Alien landings to denying the safety of 3035 03:14:37,710 --> 03:14:42,570 vaccines. Oh, this is good, whereas many Q anon followers 3036 03:14:42,570 --> 03:14:46,470 Express anti semitic views and the anti defamation This is our 3037 03:14:46,470 --> 03:14:49,530 show, and the anti Defamation League has said that the 3038 03:14:49,530 --> 03:14:53,280 movements central conspiracy theory includes anti semitic 3039 03:14:53,280 --> 03:14:57,600 elements see three episodes ago, whereas conspiracy theories have 3040 03:14:57,600 --> 03:15:01,320 been a central driver of the anti semitism For centuries, and 3041 03:15:01,320 --> 03:15:04,500 Q anon conspiracy theories are fanning the flames as anti 3042 03:15:04,500 --> 03:15:07,770 semitism is on the rise in the United States around the world. 3043 03:15:09,480 --> 03:15:12,540 Wow, I've never seen this document. 3044 03:15:14,190 --> 03:15:18,990 Mo well not only see it now let's go and listen to how these 3045 03:15:18,990 --> 03:15:21,240 people speak about fellow Americans. 3046 03:15:21,810 --> 03:15:26,460 H res 1154 from representative malinovski is a bipartisan 3047 03:15:26,460 --> 03:15:31,620 resolution. It is co sponsored by Representative Riggleman, 3048 03:15:31,740 --> 03:15:35,100 Brian Fitzpatrick, Adam Kinzinger. Josh got Heimer and 3049 03:15:35,100 --> 03:15:40,470 Elaine Lauria, and it is specifically about Q anon Q anon 3050 03:15:40,470 --> 03:15:44,070 is the movement promoting a collection of unfounded 3051 03:15:44,070 --> 03:15:47,160 conspiracy theories that have spread on the internet over the 3052 03:15:47,160 --> 03:15:50,670 last several years. These conspiracy theories undermine 3053 03:15:50,670 --> 03:15:54,720 public trust in our democratic institutions and our election 3054 03:15:54,720 --> 03:15:59,190 process. Q anon initially alleged that prominent Americans 3055 03:15:59,280 --> 03:16:03,540 are engaged in a secret plot to control the world while using 3056 03:16:03,540 --> 03:16:08,340 their power to exploit children and now extends to a range of 3057 03:16:08,340 --> 03:16:12,660 dangerous conspiracy theories. The FBI has assessed with high 3058 03:16:12,660 --> 03:16:16,860 confidence that quote fringe political conspiracy theories, 3059 03:16:17,010 --> 03:16:21,240 including Cuba non very likely motivates some domestic 3060 03:16:21,240 --> 03:16:25,800 extremists wholly or in part to engage in criminal or violent 3061 03:16:25,800 --> 03:16:29,160 activity. And that these conspiracy theories again, this 3062 03:16:29,160 --> 03:16:32,790 is a quote very likely encouraged the targeting of 3063 03:16:32,790 --> 03:16:36,660 specific people, places and organizations, thereby 3064 03:16:36,660 --> 03:16:40,260 increasing the likelihood of violence against these targets. 3065 03:16:40,890 --> 03:16:45,570 Ah, okay. Since that it was at the beginning, which was by far 3066 03:16:46,050 --> 03:16:49,530 you know, the the cure just my opinion having followed the Q 3067 03:16:49,530 --> 03:16:57,150 anon. Movement, I guess, quite closely. They put this up front. 3068 03:16:58,170 --> 03:17:04,440 In this. This is all about Q anon to discredit the pizza 3069 03:17:04,440 --> 03:17:05,130 party play. 3070 03:17:06,180 --> 03:17:10,350 Yeah. Not only that 3071 03:17:10,380 --> 03:17:17,610 we have we have a thing we say in in parlance, thou, thou doth 3072 03:17:17,610 --> 03:17:23,160 protest too much? No, it's like, come on. What are you trying to 3073 03:17:23,160 --> 03:17:24,480 prove here, people? 3074 03:17:24,720 --> 03:17:30,840 And we have a thing in Proverbs in the Bible that was said, Is 3075 03:17:30,840 --> 03:17:34,050 your man a wicked man? Please, when no one chases? 3076 03:17:34,860 --> 03:17:37,920 Who is a good one? Yeah, 3077 03:17:37,950 --> 03:17:44,310 did they but this is fill in the blank. Because they say every 3078 03:17:44,310 --> 03:17:50,010 popular conspiracy in the last few decades, so fill in the 3079 03:17:50,010 --> 03:17:54,690 blank. That throws you in there. You Flat Earthers Oh, yeah. You 3080 03:17:54,690 --> 03:17:57,120 in there, the people that question and election that 3081 03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:59,610 throws you in there, you know, I'm, 3082 03:17:59,790 --> 03:18:03,420 I'm surprised that this isn't called the Adam Curry House 3083 03:18:03,420 --> 03:18:08,550 Resolution. Yes, this is House Resolution live in 54, also 3084 03:18:08,550 --> 03:18:10,710 known as the crackpot resolution. 3085 03:18:12,180 --> 03:18:15,510 They had to use a q&a because they go to January 6, and that's 3086 03:18:15,510 --> 03:18:19,140 the justification that yes, people are violent. And one last 3087 03:18:19,140 --> 03:18:21,870 thing if you could go down and list the crimes. Now these are 3088 03:18:21,870 --> 03:18:27,540 the crimes they listed as being problematic from Q anon. It's 3089 03:18:27,540 --> 03:18:28,770 like four of them, I believe. 3090 03:18:29,550 --> 03:18:32,850 Well, I'll read a little bit of the preamble before because they 3091 03:18:32,850 --> 03:18:36,180 say the Federal Bureau of Investigation has assessed with 3092 03:18:36,180 --> 03:18:39,600 high confidence high confidence with a high when they came up 3093 03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:42,780 with the confidence that fringe political conspiracy theories, 3094 03:18:42,780 --> 03:18:46,290 including Cuba, non very, quote very likely motivate some 3095 03:18:46,290 --> 03:18:49,830 domestic extremists, wholly or in part to engage in criminal or 3096 03:18:49,830 --> 03:18:54,810 violent activity. And they list some of these. One a man 3097 03:18:54,810 --> 03:18:58,200 arrested in 2018 for plotting to plant a bomb in the Illinois 3098 03:18:58,200 --> 03:19:01,380 capitol rotunda to make Americans aware of the pizza 3099 03:19:01,380 --> 03:19:07,230 gate conspiracy theory. There you go to a man arrested in 2018 3100 03:19:07,230 --> 03:19:10,860 for using an armored car to block bridge on the Hoover Dam 3101 03:19:10,860 --> 03:19:15,780 bypass bridge. I forgot about that. One. Three, a man in 3102 03:19:15,780 --> 03:19:19,980 Arizona arrested in 2019 for vandalizing a Catholic church. 3103 03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:27,030 That's an odd one. For a woman in Colorado arrested in 2019 for 3104 03:19:27,030 --> 03:19:30,750 plotting an armed raid to kidnap a child who had been taken from 3105 03:19:30,750 --> 03:19:37,080 her custody. Her child, her own child. Five a man charged with 3106 03:19:37,080 --> 03:19:41,910 the murder of an organized crime boss in New York in 2019. What 3107 03:19:43,170 --> 03:19:48,810 isn't supposed to be a hero. Okay, so much. And a woman 3108 03:19:48,810 --> 03:19:52,620 arrested in New York with a car full of knives after posting a 3109 03:19:52,620 --> 03:19:56,190 video accusing Joe Biden of participating in child sex 3110 03:19:56,190 --> 03:19:59,970 trafficking and threatening to kill him. Man of all the things 3111 03:20:00,570 --> 03:20:03,840 To the wow, 3112 03:20:04,800 --> 03:20:08,820 this, this is huge this is their list of things is problematic 3113 03:20:09,090 --> 03:20:11,190 because they don't have this house resolution. 3114 03:20:13,980 --> 03:20:15,660 These people got problems 3115 03:20:15,900 --> 03:20:19,260 all gets worse listen how they talk about American status is in 3116 03:20:19,260 --> 03:20:19,980 this last clip. 3117 03:20:20,340 --> 03:20:24,540 These are online conspiracy theorists who believe that the 3118 03:20:24,540 --> 03:20:29,820 world is run by devil worshipping pedophiles or that 3119 03:20:29,820 --> 03:20:33,990 people like Oprah Winfrey, or the Dalai Lama, who I very much 3120 03:20:33,990 --> 03:20:38,070 respect are killing people and drinking their blood in order to 3121 03:20:38,070 --> 03:20:42,840 live longer. Unfortunately, these people do not leave their 3122 03:20:42,840 --> 03:20:47,970 conspiracy theories to themselves, but to their inner 3123 03:20:47,970 --> 03:20:52,530 circles, they're online. And they have committed crimes like 3124 03:20:52,530 --> 03:20:58,800 murder. And they have plotted to kill one of the presidential 3125 03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:04,290 nominees, Vice Presidential Biden, today, they spread a 3126 03:21:04,290 --> 03:21:10,260 rumor that Joe Biden was wearing a wire at the debates, the FBI 3127 03:21:10,260 --> 03:21:13,560 identifies this group as dangerous, whereas President 3128 03:21:13,560 --> 03:21:18,180 Trump has called them people who love our country. If the 3129 03:21:18,180 --> 03:21:21,570 President of the United States will not denounce this insane 3130 03:21:21,570 --> 03:21:27,600 rhetoric this colt, us as members of Congress must do. And 3131 03:21:27,600 --> 03:21:32,490 I want to thank the Ranking Member for standing up against 3132 03:21:32,640 --> 03:21:36,360 this cold. I urge my colleagues to support both of these 3133 03:21:36,360 --> 03:21:38,220 resolutions, and I yield back. 3134 03:21:39,570 --> 03:21:41,580 Did this pass that everyone signed them? 3135 03:21:42,840 --> 03:21:50,820 I couldn't find it update on my call, bipartisanship. If you 3136 03:21:50,820 --> 03:21:53,700 don't believe what the States wants you to believe, yeah, 3137 03:21:53,760 --> 03:21:54,810 you're in a cult. 3138 03:21:55,800 --> 03:22:04,080 Wow. Yeah, that's pretty that's let me see hr 1154. Let's 3139 03:22:04,080 --> 03:22:09,000 these are our politicians. Yeah. Bet you can say they post the 3140 03:22:09,000 --> 03:22:15,930 work for us. No, no. I'm just saying Best Buy in the perfect 3141 03:22:15,930 --> 03:22:18,990 world, basically be doing our bidding. But now. 3142 03:22:19,739 --> 03:22:26,339 It's only see text amendments co sponsors that pass. 3143 03:22:30,150 --> 03:22:32,850 Actually can't find much on it. I mean, I thought this clip mean 3144 03:22:32,850 --> 03:22:36,390 that this was actually the hearing on YouTube, but I can't 3145 03:22:36,390 --> 03:22:37,740 find any more information. 3146 03:22:38,700 --> 03:22:43,500 I don't I don't know if that's the one. Now that's something 3147 03:22:43,500 --> 03:22:46,170 different. I don't know if that but well, it doesn't really 3148 03:22:46,170 --> 03:22:49,740 matter. The timing of it. And you're right before the election 3149 03:22:49,740 --> 03:22:52,980 is very obvious what the what they're doing there. You know, 3150 03:22:52,980 --> 03:22:57,750 what's interesting is that and just our friendship is is also a 3151 03:22:57,750 --> 03:23:03,180 part of it. But it's all of this crazy, that. For me, there's 3152 03:23:03,180 --> 03:23:06,390 enough evidence to believe it's just the the evil, the end, 3153 03:23:06,390 --> 03:23:09,540 which is what I'm seeing Obama doing with the minute all of 3154 03:23:09,540 --> 03:23:15,450 this stuff that has brought that has because I, the biggest 3155 03:23:15,450 --> 03:23:19,050 consumers conspiracy theory of all is God. And I've been 3156 03:23:19,050 --> 03:23:22,440 approaching the god conspiracy theory from the same way I can 3157 03:23:22,890 --> 03:23:26,640 approach everything else that I look at, because I'm a 3158 03:23:26,640 --> 03:23:32,850 conspiracy therapist. And one besides having read Evidence 3159 03:23:32,850 --> 03:23:37,860 That Demands a Verdict, which really blew my mind. The whole 3160 03:23:37,890 --> 03:23:42,090 the, the amount of evil that I'm seeing in the world, there has 3161 03:23:42,120 --> 03:23:45,300 it has, there has to be a counterbalance you can't have 3162 03:23:46,440 --> 03:23:51,060 otherwise it would just all be evil. And it's clearly not. So 3163 03:23:51,060 --> 03:23:54,870 that kind of literally drove me right into Jesus's arms to be 3164 03:23:54,870 --> 03:24:00,420 quite honest. And it's been very interesting to view all of this 3165 03:24:00,420 --> 03:24:04,410 through that lens. Or through believing 3166 03:24:05,010 --> 03:24:08,280 Yeah, cuz that's that's the that's the trend right? I mean, 3167 03:24:10,770 --> 03:24:19,140 this the on the I'm the mean, the transparency of it. I've 3168 03:24:19,140 --> 03:24:22,770 never seen anything like this in my life of just how transparent 3169 03:24:22,770 --> 03:24:26,760 they are own, you know, blatantly, blatantly open. You 3170 03:24:26,760 --> 03:24:30,660 mean, this open to the point where it's really shifting the 3171 03:24:30,660 --> 03:24:34,950 alliances by with Tulsi Gabbard, coming over to Republican side 3172 03:24:34,950 --> 03:24:39,690 and seeing in No, pushing back the way they are. And, you know, 3173 03:24:39,690 --> 03:24:42,990 it's just making for strange bedfellows, which I think we're 3174 03:24:42,990 --> 03:24:48,450 past the old political divide, and it's becoming a good versus 3175 03:24:48,480 --> 03:24:52,800 evil kind of thing. And it's not all even about believers. You 3176 03:24:52,800 --> 03:24:55,080 know, because you have some people that are just good people 3177 03:24:55,080 --> 03:24:58,080 that aren't believers. But they're like, Hey, man, this 3178 03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:01,890 is getting crazy. It was crazy. Right, but they're too crazy for 3179 03:25:01,890 --> 03:25:05,730 me. Right? But we sometimes you gotta you gotta fight something 3180 03:25:05,730 --> 03:25:12,960 with different kinds of weapons. Yeah. So, ah, okay, Mo change in 3181 03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:16,290 everybody's life once again, this was a good one I like now, 3182 03:25:16,680 --> 03:25:21,090 you know, we'll see what happens with Twitter. This will unfold 3183 03:25:21,090 --> 03:25:24,420 and things will start to take shape and we know what to look 3184 03:25:24,420 --> 03:25:27,450 for because we have, you know, somewhat varying opinions. But 3185 03:25:28,950 --> 03:25:32,490 you know, I love that we both nailed the whole coordinated 3186 03:25:32,520 --> 03:25:38,700 Obama, Ministry of Truth. You know, the disinformation board 3187 03:25:38,700 --> 03:25:42,900 and the and the governor of the board, we both saw that we saw 3188 03:25:42,900 --> 03:25:45,720 through that shit right away, but I really like what you 3189 03:25:45,720 --> 03:25:52,800 brought in now. With this backstory and yeah, it's creepy 3190 03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:54,750 now it's real creepy what they're doing. 3191 03:25:55,320 --> 03:25:58,920 And I think we both agree on this on I want I want to I don't 3192 03:25:58,920 --> 03:26:01,410 want people to get confused. There is going to be more 3193 03:26:01,410 --> 03:26:05,820 control. Oh, yeah. There is no get me twisting on that part of 3194 03:26:05,820 --> 03:26:09,000 it. It's just about there fighting. Who's going to have 3195 03:26:09,000 --> 03:26:12,720 the keys? Is it going to be corporations? Or is it going to 3196 03:26:12,720 --> 03:26:15,720 be a government and I think this is the this is the real battle 3197 03:26:15,720 --> 03:26:17,430 that I see playing out 3198 03:26:17,460 --> 03:26:22,470 which is why we hold the true keys to freedom and that is the 3199 03:26:22,470 --> 03:26:27,660 podcast and and we are completely free and clear of any 3200 03:26:27,660 --> 03:26:31,200 of that mess. There's technically no way they can 3201 03:26:31,200 --> 03:26:34,950 really get rid of us or stop us there's no way they can you know 3202 03:26:34,950 --> 03:26:38,580 that's why we also accept Bitcoin there's no way to to D 3203 03:26:38,580 --> 03:26:42,060 platform we are on cancelable and a lot of that is thanks to 3204 03:26:42,060 --> 03:26:45,930 the producers who we really appreciate for their support. 3205 03:26:46,470 --> 03:26:50,310 Yes, and I thank you very much and as I always say pay 3206 03:26:50,310 --> 03:26:53,820 attention to everything in the true reveal itself. And that 3207 03:26:53,820 --> 03:26:57,480 may be sooner than we all know with this particular one I can't 3208 03:26:57,480 --> 03:27:00,720 wait to see Hey mo can't wait to talk to you in two weeks have a 3209 03:27:00,720 --> 03:27:05,280 good one brother. Talk to you later. Remember us mo facts.com 3210 03:27:10,380 --> 03:28:38,730 gonna go going on you gone you can