Podcasting 2.0 for August 14th, 2026, episode 267, Choco Love.
Choco Love. Uh-oh. Wait a minute. Is this a podcast?
Are we back? Do we exist? Is it really happening?
Hello, everybody. Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. It is... Friday August
14th it's time to talk about podcasting from the people
who make it for you the people who come together
and make it better for you yes this is the
official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 in fact we are
the only board room without a skip button I'm Adam
Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
and in Alabama. The man who took the DHT out
and left the plumbing quieter than he found it. Say
hello to my friend on the other end, Dave Jones.
Yeah, no more DHT. Yeah, DHT is gone, baby. It's
too problematic. It's problematic. Ah, problematic. My favorite woke word.
of woke one by the way it's a thing no
we we adopted it it's now part of the podcast
index lexicon problematic yeah but there's an in there's an
api endpoint called problem that reports problematic feeds oh that's
right that's right i forgot about that problematic yes problematical
if you want to go really, you know, pedantic. So
we might as well start with that, with your PodPing
VO.12.0 shipped. Yeah, lots of... lots of work on pod
ping over the last few weeks i'm trying to get
it to the point where i don't have to think
about it for a while um oh boy well isn't
that basically nothing just as a little aside so we
we combined our linode nodes So that a number of
nodes that I was, a number of servers I was
running, you've moved over for that Godcaster stuff. And then
you beautifully made me an admin on the podcasting, podcast
index stuff. Yeah. Which is, you know, only for emergency
purposes. But then I realized you are exactly the same
as me. Neither one of us have taken any effort
to suppress the Linode warnings of exceeding all kinds of
things. Oh, no, I just, I'm never going to touch
that button. It's like, all of a sudden, every morning,
there's 50 different, well, it's exceeded the egress bandwidth. Oh,
this server was spiking for five minutes. Oh, no, this
is not a problem. I'm just warning you about it.
yeah show showrunner yeah show whatever that is are you
getting showrunner alerts oh yeah showrunner's wearing me out how
come you're oh because i made you an ad yeah
but but you know what i just i don't read
my email anyway so i just it's all just kind
of goes in the it doesn't really matter showrunners out
of control yeah showrunners lost lost his mind but it's
fine it's fine showrunner is my uh my show prep
bot where's the latest one here I mean it's daily
oh yeah it's multiple times a day showrunner showrunner is
the box where I say hey robot go listen to
that Tucker Carlson interview and tell me what's in it
and see if I want any clips from it Oh,
yeah. Okay. But then what it does is it, because
of course it's YouTube, so a showrunner is connected to
the VPN on my home router so that it doesn't
get blocked. Okay. Which was a fun project. These routers,
you can set up a VPN on the router itself.
I didn't even know that was possible. How do you
do that? It's a function of the router. The router
lets you set up different forms of VPNs. What kind
of router is this that we're talking about? Well, good
question. It's the TP-Link, I think. So I have fiber
here. I've got five gigs up and down. And then
it has this crazy-looking spaceship-type router with eight antennas sticking
up on it. and uh and that thing can do
all kinds of stuff this reminds me of the uh
this the the this reminds me of the nighthawk do
you know that router no i need one though i
need one right now that's good just for the name
it's uh what what what is the eight is it
asus night yeah the night the aces nighthawk ac 1900
it's even got ac in the name of it which
i don't okay wait but just as a quick aside
I did not pull a clip, and this is on
me. I admit it. I should have pulled a clip
of this. Yeah. But you said a few weeks ago,
I caught it and it didn't hit me until like
an hour later. Okay. Okay. You made the statement in
the boardroom. This already sounds bad. Am I going to
get arrested for something? Maybe. Okay. You made the statement.
You said, blah, blah, blah. Uh, I was loading the
dishwasher dot, dot, dot. mm-hmm since when did you get
a dishwasher and start using it this has been always
been your thing is never use the dishwasher because you're
doing the work twice Are you married? Yes. Do you
argue with your wife about everything? This was, you, you,
you got off, you're off the reservation. I'm concerned. Yeah.
i thought this was a hill you were gonna down
well you know since i i lost my podcast gig
i'm just kind of trying to be calm in the
house and do whatever i'm asked okay this uh i
will i will let this pass i have the archer
axe 300 quad band 16 stream wi-fi 6e router with
two 10g ports wi-fi is out of control this is
the number of of like acronyms it reminds me of
the old days uh and we just i was on
with uh laren and laren laren and daryl darren and
larry darren and larry yesterday on the show And I
made them guess the modem speeds from the old dial-up
modems. I had the 300 baud, the 1,200, 24, 33.
I had a 52. No, not a 50. I had
a 56. I thought it was a 6... I thought
it was a 28 and a... 28, 28, 8. Yeah,
that's right. That's right. 14, 4, 28, 8, 56. Yeah.
And I was cursing Dvorak for dying on us because
he would have known exactly... Because there were wars going
on. You had the Hayes modems and you had the...
Uh, not Rockwell. Um, right. Yeah. And rock U S
robotics. Yes. Robotics. And they, and they had wars over
V 90 V 91 compression schemes. And it's kind of
reminiscent of what's happening with wifi. It's like, you know,
no, no, we got this version now and you've got
the 6G and all these different protocols that are just
popping up everywhere. Yeah, the old dial-up modem protocol wars.
Yeah. Yeah, the different compression radio. Yeah. You could not
mix and match. No. They wouldn't worry. It was like
Blu-ray versus HD, DVD or something. Yeah, VHS versus Betamax.
It's always a thing. It's always a thing. So anyway,
so Showrunner is doing that. show runners doing all that
kind of stuff all day long when i give it
a command or go out and find stuff and so
yeah so you're getting lots of bandwidth warnings on that
one yeah that's fine i just i just ignore them
i mean i've been getting bandwidth or cpu warnings on
the database server for podcast index for like four years
those are fun to see it's spiking after after about
you know you get concerned the first few weeks and
then it's like i don't care nothing blows up nothing
ever ever goes bad so okay it's fine so back
to uh pod ping now is this oh yeah is
this the what we don't sound very excited i just
forgot where we were oh yeah yeah that thing so
now so these are pod ping watcher nodes is that
what is that what we're running here pod king watcher
are you do you have any websites pulled up like
the pp monitor no no i don't i don't have
my pp up you had get your get your pp
up let me get my pp up okay um uh
pp monitor Dot podcasting next.org. Yes. Okay. Woo. I love
this. I love how it just kicks in. Yeah. You
get, um, okay. The, this this will show you the
current mesh with all the nodes i'm i'm disappointed in
many people me too all the time just in general
people suck including myself because there's many people who have
not updated to the latest version and are still stuck
on versions as old as 0.6. Yeah, let's shame some
people.
Chad F. That's right. Dave Remote Nix 1.9. Edebris. Edebris.
Edebris works. Edebris. Dot 6. Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Oh, you're
current. Good. He's current. Who else do we need to
shame here? Hey, Citizen Bathroom. Pod Ping West, Libre.6. Come
on, people. Todd Nova? Who's Todd Nova? I don't know
Todd Nova. But Temple OS laptop is... dot 12 dot
one that's that's how is that even possible temple os
where did you come from this must be a fork
it's a fork it's a fork yeah exactly okay Well,
Temple OS has forked something. I don't understand that, but...
So, the story here is that the most complicated part
of this code... of pod of the new version of
pod ping. Was the DHT part. So a DHT stands
for dynamic hash table. Yeah. And the distributed hash table,
not dynamic distributed hash table, the distributed part means so
a hash table is just a set of key value
pairs. Um, that are, uh, that are addressed where the,
it's a set of key value pairs where the indexes
of the keys are, uh, uh, addressed in a way
that distributes evenly across the table. And then you can
extend that to where the hash table is not local.
I'm giving like the most roughest of thumbnail sketches here.
You can distribute that hash table's keys. across more than
one machine. So typically a hash table would be loaded
into RAM during like an initial program load for some
software. And it may just be a lookup table. You
may just have a bunch of keys and a bunch
of values that you need to look up. Well, that
lookup table can be split up into slices Where keys
or parts of the table are distributed amongst many different
machines. And then you need some way to find out
which machine has which values so that a lookup, so
that an index becomes also an address to where to
find the machine that holds it. Mm-hmm. Um, This... This
is the core way that things like BitTorrent work. And
going back all the way to things like Napster. lime
wire yeah good times yeah those were good times actually
and uh many you know many things use this although
the most the most widely used dht is is something
called the mainline DHT, which is the BitTorrent DHT. And
a lot of people just piggyback on this because it's
got, you know, millions of nodes that are attached at
any one time. Well, it's great. It's great for bootstrapping.
So if you need to have like a mesh of
nodes like PodPing does. You need to have a bunch
of computers that can coordinate with each other and send
messages back and forth. Well, then you can use the
DHT. The mainline DHT to help them find each other.
Right. So, the way this worked was that when you
brought up a PodPing node, a PodPing watcher, gossip watcher,
or writer, or PodPing monitor, whichever one you brought up,
they all had this code in them. The first thing
it would do is check the DHT to see if
there were any other nodes registered with the DHT, and
then if it found some, it would use those as
its bootstraps. And to try to go ahead and connect
to as many of those as possible to get the
mesh up and to get, you know, to join the
mesh. Right. And this is good for a few reasons
because it avoids having the boot, you know, what's commonly
referred to as like the bootstrap problem. Um, where, you
know, you have a node where you have to have
certain, you have to have nodes online in order to
find other nodes and then how do they find each
other? So this avoids that. Um, but it's also very
cumbersome and buggy because now the, because especially, specifically with
the way Eero works, because Eero does not have this
functionality natively. So it's having to use libraries. That I'll
be honest with you, I don't fully understand how they
work. These libraries are meant to make Eero discoverable over
DHT. And it works, but it also brings in certain
liabilities into the Eero connections and things I could never
get this stuff to be very to be really stable.
And so what I figured out was I'm like, OK.
Well, now that the PodPing gossip stuff is all stable
and running at known locations on the five PodPing.cloud nodes,
we really don't need the DHT anymore because we already
know... Five good... nodes that will always be, we know
their keys because the Eero stuff uses a public key.
So those public keys are stored and they will never
change. So we have five known bootstrap IDs that we
can always use. And so then, why not just hard
code those into the... pod ping watcher so that any
watcher that comes up can just ping those five nodes
and you're good and which of those five nodes does
that include the one in uh in the bathroom no
no um i don't trust anything in the bathroom is
unstable by its nature i don't trust that one no
the Thank you. So, the five nodes are the Podping
Australia, Podping Central, East, Europe, and West. Yeah. Those are
the five riders. So every podping.cloud is distributed over five
nodes. When you send an update to podping.cloud, it round
robins between all five of those nodes. And then each
one of those is going to is going to post
it out through Hive and through the gossip channel at
the same time. Right. So we're all we're all going
to get all of those. Now, how many do you
how many do we need to have a functioning system
that we can start building on distributing the index? Good
question, Adam. Yes, good question. It's an unanswerable question. Okay.
i'll take i mean really and truly because you you
could do you could distribute the index reliably I mean,
with seven or eight, but- But then you're in the
hive situation where you have like four or five API
servers that you can rely on. It's not enough. It's
just not, it doesn't make anybody sleep well enough. What
are the requirements when we get to that stage? Massive
storage? For the index? Well, for the distributed index. i'm
thinking i don't i don't think so because if we're
because if if we're going to distribute it This way,
we're going to – to me, the proper way to
do it is to slice it so that no node
has to be responsible for the entire index. You could
– I think you're going to have to have a
mix. You're going to have to have some nodes that
sign up for the whole index. Mm-hmm. And some that
just sign up for a, for a portion of it.
And this all has to be automated. You know, you
have to be we're you know we're brainstorming this right
now so we're whiteboarding it baby yeah get your mark
get your marker out So if you have... A node
that came online that said... okay, I've got this much
disk space. And I'm willing to donate, let's say, 50
gigs to hosting part of the index. Well, then the
index is going to have to – or the swarm
will have to look and see – what's available and
then assign... roughly the equivalent of 50 gigs to this
particular node. And then register back with the API front
end that that node carries that data.
Here's a suggestion. I think you should make a Linode
marketplace thing. Okay. So that it's just like a one-click
install. You know what I'm talking about? Sort of like
the AWS Marketplace? Yeah, Linode has that. They have a
version of that. Oh, I didn't know they had that.
Yeah, I think so. Let me check. Yeah, you use
that. And, you know, now it requires understanding that weird
scripting thing they have. You know what I'm talking about?
oh a stack script yeah i think that's it yeah
yeah something stack yeah something like that But just to
make it easy for, you know, people like me. I
don't know that it's going to be very hard because...
I mean, all this stuff's going into Docker Hub. So
you could fire up a PodPing watcher right now with
one Docker pull command. And I think that we can
do this the same way in the other direction with
the index distribution because we can have... Just the, the,
the, the index, let's just call it index, you know,
runner or whatever we're going to call this thing. You
just Docker, Docker run this image. Mm-hmm. And it just
pulls things down and you give it some environment variables
about how much data you have to spare, you know,
what, where is it going to store the data, like
which directory, something, you know, whatever, we just pass the
configuration parameters and then it figures out with... And it
negotiates with the swarm how to do it. Yeah. How
to distribute. And then you're just, it's just Docker. You
know, you're not, I don't even think you have to
run it. You could fire up a machine. I mean,
you could do the marketplace thing, but. Okay. I was
just. I was just. this all works in your house
too you know i mean no everything's in my house
right now my my actual studio is warmer than it's
ever been this and great timing perfect time of year
to make your studio warmer i'm running like that helix
box man that's an awesome little machine Is it working
good for you? Yeah. I'm learning a lot about lease
times of GPU and sharing and, you know, iGPU. iGPU?
What is iGPU? iGPU is where you set up a
GPU in VRAM. Which isn't actually a GPU. Oh, it's
like a virtual GPU? Virtual, yeah. So I got a
GPU, an iGPU, and then a lease plan that shares.
And there's watchers and waiters and batchers. Because I got
a lot of stuff going on. so yeah i got
a lot of stuff going on here i'm running a
whole fleet of radio stations man yes it's i i
can't wait for people to see the stuff that you're
cooking up it's really cool if they get the godcaster
app they already can they can already check it out
Just don't ever buy server hardware. what do you mean
oh i i had to price for um day job
stuff this week i had to i had to price
out some some uh memory for a server for an
hp server oh yeah uh the server cost 12 grand
the ram 14 also 12 grand yeah that's crazy it
was 60 64 gigs of ecc ram was six thousand
dollars wow yeah that's crazy for five years ago that
was that was less than a thousand dollars yeah i
know i know it's no good it's out of control
it's no good it's uh it's price gouging everyone's price
gouging yeah they love it well i read an article
yesterday that said that all available ram from all manufacturers
is has been fully sold is already fully sold out
Through 2027. Wow. Wow. RAM that has not even been
built yet. we're in the wrong business yes every single
time yes we are so i had an interesting uh
experience the other day i was listening to this week
in bitcoin no no uh yeah this week in bitcoin
uh chris and did he talk about the cold card
stuff at all yeah of course of course he did
okay okay okay Um, and so I'm listening and then
he says, you know, boost me and he, and I
haven't listened for a couple of weeks. uh you know
death in the family stuff yeah and uh so um
and he says go to boost dot uh what is
it linux unplugged.com is that their website I think so.
And he has a whole beautiful interface there. You can
determine your amount in dollars or sats. And it was
really just two clicks. And I could pay right away
from my strike wallet on the same device. with a
message the whole the whole thing perfect uh of course
next week i'll find out if it came through um
but then i saw in i was looking in the
uh in the godcaster app okay he's using his funding
tag for the same mechanism You know, it says donate
or support the show, donate the show. And I was
just like, you know... It's really a beautiful mechanism that
we're just not highlighting enough in the apps. When you
put a big button there, on the on the podcast
when you're listening to the podcast to say you know
right there where you got the skip skip forward backward
pause you put a big donate support the show that's
as per the spec you can determine what that says
it's it's like okay you know and you can even
if you want you can click on apple pay i
don't have a Apple Pay, but this particular interface, you
know, the website or whatever it was that loads has
it. I mean, it's just so simple. So simple. But
the funding button is not prevalent everywhere, not the way
we did boosts. Well, that's the Buzzsprout model. Yes, but
that's they sort of created that for their customers, that
page, that page, that single page experience that can open
in a web view. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's
so simple. It's so easy. Yeah. I just think it's
worth considering for the app developers out there to really
highlight that button. If someone's got a funding tag, make
it pop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, I know Daniel J.
Lewis was working on all kinds of... My eyes started
to glaze over as we're going through how can we
use Stripe to be able to get the podcast apps
a piece of the action. I'm not even sure it's
resolved yet, but I really like the work. I like
that... They were delving into it, long conversation thread. James
jumped in. I'm not sure if we resolved anything there,
if we can set it so that the app that
you're that you're boosting from donating from, etc., can automatically
get a piece of the action. Thank you. Um... I
don't know why... PodPage doesn't do this. I mean, wouldn't
that be, wouldn't that be just a natural place for
a thing like this to exist for a page like
this to exist? not quite sure what you mean the
like if you host a site on pod page why
would it not why would they not have a pay
a single page payment portal that oh no well but
the thing is you can build it from anything i
mean you know you can have your Your robot build
it. I mean, anything can be done. What is this?
Onlyboosts.social. Look at this. What does that mean? Check it
out. Who built this? Onlyboosts.social. There's a link in the
boardroom. Is it supposed to be like OnlyFans? It is.
Yes, it's OnlyBoost. This is very interesting. Look at this.
Well, this is cool. Eric PP, did you do this?
What is this? Well, let me see. Let me boost
this show. Boost, opening, boom. Oh, Noster. Okay. I don't
Sign in with Noster. You lost me. But the idea
is cool. I like the idea. I don't want to
sign in with Noster. Speaking of... Hey, hang on just
a second. Okay, I'll be right back. Okay. In the
meantime, I will just... Let me see. Who did this?
read oh they have the only the only i just
i just got stuck on the nostril bit um It's
like what I want there is I just want copy
this invoice or whatever, you know, send this through my
strike wallet and I'm done.
that would be the way to do it okay bye
okay sorry my wife my wife's going out of town
oh well that was a very quick goodbye do you
want to take a few more minutes i mean if
you're going to give me time i made i don't
need long well go say go good go say i'm
kidding that was a joke a few minutes would do
it probably three No, she's fine. He was heading out
the door and saying bye. The boardroom says bye. Hi,
Melissa! Hi, Melissa. what is it so what you found
out what this is only boosts is this like a
nostre thing well that only it's the right idea it
asked me for uh for a nostre login right away
and then i kind of give up okay have you
heard of buzz no Let me see if I can
find this. Jack Dorsey. Oh, yes, I have. The agent
communication thing? Yeah. Are you moving on to a new
topic? No, I'm not. I was just, the Nostra thing
reminded me of it. I just thought that you got
your robots doing a whole bunch of stuff. Maybe Buzz
would help you. Yeah, you know, it's like I need
another robot to look after the robots. This reminds me
of when I had a lot of money and I
had houses and I had people looking after the houses.
Then I had people to look after the people looking
after houses and then those people would get in fights
with the accountant and the whole thing sucked. It's yeah,
I literally had three terminal windows today open and I'm
and all three are doing something and I'm watching all
three and I'm bopping between each one of them giving
them different instructions. I'm like, this is hard. this that's
that's why you need the buzz thing i don't know
let them coordinate it themselves ever since the robot sent
an email to you on behalf of me i've become
very cautious with robots controlling robots That was funny. That
was not funny. It was funny to me, and I
knew it would not be funny to you. One of
your agents sent me an email, and I was like,
and the part that made me chuckle It said, thanks,
Adam. No, it said, thanks, M-Adam. And I was like,
wait a second. Somebody has hacked Adam's email. This is
not him. Oh, man. Yeah, I... Well, this all comes
back to I was, you know, I've been going through
the process of shutting down our lightning node this week.
Yes. And, whoo! Boy. That's tough. It's intense. Yeah. This...
L and D is not for mortals. No. Um, This
is a thing that was created by a bunch of
computer science nerds. And, and, Like... It's taken, it has
taken about a week just to shut down or just
to close all the channels. Yeah. Uh, it's, I mean,
it's going to be another 10 days roughly before we
can actually take the whole thing offline to try to
get, you know, cause we're, I'm, I'm rushing, I'm racing
the clock because I don't want to pay another 200
and something dollars, 240, 240 voltage fee, but yeah. so
we had to force close some channels. We had a
hundred and... Oh, we had tons of channels. Forty? Yeah.
140 channels? Yep, yep. And it turns out LND is
just not built for that. So, the only way for
mildly technical people to manage an LND node is... Is
to use a graph, a UI tool, something like Ride
the Lightning or something. Yeah, but that wouldn't even load
on ours. But it won't load because our database is
so humongous that it's completely unusable. Yeah. And it takes...
about seven hours for our node to reboot i unlocked
it by the way i saw it the other mornings
just sitting there oh thank you i appreciate it thank
you so our our our database in lnd is so
large that every nothing works the only thing you can
do is manage it through the lncli command line tool
yeah yeah And so that means I have to go
start researching how to do all this stuff through the
LNCLI. Finally, I just said, because it involves... Close all.
Yeah. It's like... Find some way to do a channel
listing. Okay, you get that far. Now you have to
go and copy and paste, copy out the channel ID
with an index because you can have multiple channel IDs
with the same index. not a hash but with different
indexes and so i had to go through and and
and you know you got to find those and put
them in finally i just said you know why am
i doing this and so i just i just vibe
coded a thing i said give me a script here
here's the here's your your um uh macaroon Go. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I'm like, no, you can't have the macaroon.
This cookie is not for you. But I want a
script where I can stick in the macaroon, and I
just want to be able to give a number. I
want to say, I want a script where I can
give it a count and say, close the five. Or
X number of lowest capacity channels. Just do it. Because
sometimes the channel is offline or it's online. And if
it's offline, you're going to have to force close it.
So, I got this little script. I start running this
thing. So, it's cooperatively closing online channels. It's force closing
channels. Channels that are offline. And that's what I've been
doing for roughly a week. Sometimes LNCLI will lock up
and never respond. Mm-hmm. I know this. We should have
known this when they said, just boost bigger amounts. We
should have known back then that this was never really
engineered for micropayments the way we envisioned it. And really,
the only way that this lightning network actually works is
if you have a couple channels with huge capacity to
other nodes with a couple channels with huge capacity. Yeah,
that's the only way it works. And it works quite
well, actually, when you do that. Like, strike, you know,
works great, but, you know, we understand what's going on
in the background. And classic us... This move is way
too early. Way too early. That's my brand, baby. It's
your brand, yes. You just need a teacher to say,
I was too early. Yeah, but this, so I think
I sent you a whole document about the... 400x protocol
that Cloudflare is you know is behind with their stable
coin gambit. Yeah. You watch. You watch. That's going to
take off. And it won't take off with us, but
it'll take off because it's going to be all AI
agents running around doing little micropayments with each other. And
it's going to be kind of the same idea. But
we're still... Obviously stuck with the brain problem that people
have of Bitcoin, stablecoin, whatever it is, coin, any other
coin than their own currency. It's just difficult. And I'm
just going to keep asking for the funding tag button
to be big. on the apps it works and you
know i i'd love to figure out how we can
get the apps a part of that money that was
that was the beauty of what we had built the
splits that was the beauty of it And I just
don't know if we can ever get that together. I
think, yeah, I think so. I think we can. I
think the problem was a... a philosophical disconnect between between
What? the light what we envisioned lightning to be and
what The lightning Bitcoin ecosystem envisioned lightning to be. Mm-hmm.
You know, we saw the world a specific way. And
that's actually not the way they saw it. No. And
that's not a technical problem. That's a worldview problem. Mm-hmm.
And, you know, there's stuff – I can send a
payment right now from cash app to strike using Lightning,
and it works fine. And that's fine. If that's what
they want, that's fine. But, like, self-sovereign, low-fee – Payments,
that works well. Only in a very specific way.
circumstance with a highly technical individual. Or group with lots
of available financial resources. And time. Lots of time. And
time. It's not for, it's just never going to be
sufficient for your average, I just want to get paid
podcaster. Yeah. But a platform like a fountain or a
true fans or something like that, they can – do
those things they they can but our our our vision
me and you our vision was just was that some
was just that a podcaster could just turn this stuff
on yeah yeah that as also our brand yes Yeah,
exactly. Oh, you can do it. It has to be
doable by the average Joe in this kitchen. Yeah, and
also for the average listener who wants to support. I
mean, that's always been the issue. is how do I
do this? I've helped so many people calling on the
phone crying. I really want to support the show, but
I don't understand how to get the stats from here
to there and back into this. And it's so complicated.
I want to be a part of the future. And
now they're all, they hate me now. They don't talk
to me anymore. Well, I'm really happy that, like, you
know, A bunch of people in the boardroom saying, you
know, my note still works great, all this kind of...
I'm glad. I'm glad. Yeah. I think that that is...
I want... Because the theory of all this stuff still
works. Mm-hmm. It works fine. If Sir Spencer and Chad
F and, you know, Eric PP and Salty Crayon, if...
if all these people have they if they have lightning
nodes and they're you know sending each other money that's
all that's great it works it does but it works
but you you can't get your average you know baby
boomer at church no on boarded with this thing it
just it's not it can't happen it doesn't work Well,
Daniel J. Lewis says that he may have something for
us soon. Within a week or two. Okay, I can
wait. I can wait for a week or two. That'd
be great, but I think everybody needs to do this.
Sam at TrueFans, you need to have this page. I
don't see the page as being the problem. There's lots
of systems that let you set up a page with
different options. But the content has to come first. The
page has to exist. Then the apps see that everybody
is starting to adopt this page, and that is the
impetus for them to put the big button on. Oh,
I see what you're saying. Well, I have a page
right now. I have a page. for we get to
do this I have a page no agenda has a
page it's in the boost in the funding tag it's
in there I think. Double check. I think it goes
to noagendadonations.com, which is exactly where I want it to
go. let me check i'm pretty sure that's just it
always cracks me up the little button on podcast index
with the pig and the coin piggy bank yeah no
agenda donations.com yeah support the show boom no agenda donations.com
that's what i want That's all. Donate with PayPal, Stripe,
Bitcoin. It's all there. Donate through the P.O. Box. It's
perfect. Looks nice. Looks beautiful. If I can get the
node fully shut down. So we have... There's three channels
left. One... The force close should be settled by now,
probably. It's probably already done. There's another one that's going
to take about another three days, and there's one that's
going to take like nine days to settle the force
close transaction. Once those are done, I should be able
to fully shut the node down, and then we can
work on this. And then I'll take that money –
Uh, excuse me, not take the money. Excuse me. The,
the, and run the, I'm out. Uh, there's a, there's,
there's a virtual machine that's actually pretty sizable. I need,
I need to see how big that thing is, but
it's not insignificant. I think it may be an eight
gig Linode machine. That does nothing but node management of
our node. Oh yeah. Okay. And so then that will
recover that money as well. Okay. That, and then, and
then I think that is probably enough to cover the
bigger database. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, that's nice. And so
I'm looking at the Pod News Weekly Review, support this
podcast. It goes to the Buzzsprout page, power supporter. And
I don't like what I'm seeing, but it's okay. I
mean, it says become a monthly supporter. What if I
just want to support $3 a month? If you ask
for tips, you're going to get tips, brothers. this no
there's no eric there's no open donation eric said uh
how how should we boost you and adam from now
on just uh through i've already changed our splits it's
all going to the podcast index uh at get albie.com
so we're just we're just gonna switch everything to the
albie hub yeah because it's so small anyway Now, of
course, my Start 9 isn't working anymore. Why? What happened?
I don't know. I went to open up Helipad, and
the Tor doesn't connect. I rebooted the box. Tor doesn't
connect. Nothing. Could it be something? I don't know. I
have to figure it out now. I didn't have time
to fix it before the... before the shit you know
it's probably because they they jumped on the knots thing
and it probably screwed up the whole node do you
follow any of that oh is this one yeah yeah
110 and start knives like yeah we're all for this
so the node probably broke i don't know what happened
is knots a dead thing now i don't know i
don't know it didn't work out that's all i know
it was a lot of noise for something that didn't
work out Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so... You got anything
else on that or I can switch gears? No, you
can switch gears. uh we probably need i want to
talk about first of all you're buzzing you're buzzing what's
buzzing yeah you're buzzing yeah let me check i did
nothing yeah you did no i didn't yeah there's a
usb cable near your mic cable i've i've done nothing
okay it's gone now yeah you're just like the vorac
no no nothing changed all i did was put some
chocolate by my keyboard oh there it is stop it
with the chocolate it's got lead in it okay spotify
skip ahead button oh well yes this is exactly where
i wanted to go but i was leaving it up
to you and i would like to um give everybody
the quote of the week The quote of the week
comes to you from the Podsage, I quote verbatim. I
look at what AMP wants podcast app developers to do
in support of advertisers. Then I look at what podcast
app developers are actually doing with advert skipping. One of
those will win out, and it isn't the one that
requires tons of first-party data, collection, reporting, and the taking
on of privacy liabilities. Was signed Dave Jones, August 7th,
2026. Undersigned. Move the chocolate because that buzz is back.
Move the chocolate. I did nothing. I'm telling you. I
haven't even eaten. I've not even eaten the chocolate. It's
always a USB cable that does this. I mean, I
can sh- I can sh- Just move- Just move the
cable. I'm just gonna get- Look- there that yeah perfect
do it live i just i just i just whacked
the roadcaster stop the hammering What kind of chocolate this
is? I don't know. It has no, it's generic chocolate.
It has natural flavors. Oh, Chaka Love Chaka Love Chaka
Love Spell this for me Chaka Love C-H-O-C-O-L-O-V-E Chaka Love
Chaka Love, that is our show title Perfect And right
under it it's got X-O-X-O-X-O Chaka Love, baby Yeah That's
You know there's a rapper out there named Chocolove. Yeah,
that's 100% the case. Word. So, yeah, like people are
losing their mind about the Spotify skip ahead button. This
is inevitable. Well, first of all, I thought, you know,
I'm in the secret WhatsApp group. I love that you're
in this. You can relay. I can't believe they haven't
kicked me out yet. I mean, I'm just a lurker.
And in the secret WhatsApp group, so there was kind
of a lead up to this. so we so first
we had podtastic right remember podtastic yeah oh yeah and
then came castria which sounds a lot like castration i
don't know why that's a terrible name for an app
yeah castria and and i think they all kind of
do the same thing it's like you know it downloads
the show and then it You know, gives you opportunities
to skip. And what was interesting is in the WhatsApp
group, when I think it was Castrio, when that came
out, the Criddler went nuts. He's like, this is bad,
this is an outrage. And he filed a copyright violation
against them in the app stores.
Because they're infringing on copyright, which I actually don't think
they are. Is it like maybe an international thing, difference?
No, no. The idea that it's changing, you know, it's
changing your material. Whatever. If they're re-hosting it, there's an
argument there. But re-hosting it on the app? Yeah. Yeah,
no, that you don't local. You don't. I think so.
But it doesn't matter. OK. All right. But the outrage
was just off the charts. And then Spotify comes out
with pretty much the same thing. And it was like,
oh, we've got to look at this. What are they
doing? You know, but I didn't see anyone filing any
copyright claims against the Spotify app. So I just thought
that was interesting. And then subsequently... Well, the Spotify app,
in their defense, they just have a button. That other
app does it automatically. Okay. So... This and this goes
to what I've been saying for months. And I think
you just said it is unavoidable. It is the future.
Because everybody now can vibe code their own thing. Yeah,
you know, it may take you eight weeks to get
it approved through the App Store, the way things are
going. But, you know, this is the future and i
used to get really upset just by the fast you
know the two two x three x speed because to
me that was a i felt violated like i put
all this effort in to make everything sound good i
put in And pauses, John and I would have pauses
that were purposeful, meaningful, and intentional. And, you know, Overcast
cuts them out. You know, like, oh, and I felt
my art was violated, but I gave up because, hey,
you know, I give you the show, you do whatever
you want with it. And... This is where all applications
are going. All applications will be completely user-defined. I know
because I'm already doing it myself. I don't have to
use your stupid outlook. I created my own spreadsheet viewer,
and it works the way I want it to. And
I just did it by telling the robot to build
something and it built it. Boom, done. So this is
going to happen. This is unavoidable. And people do not
care in general. First of all, most people think that
the app is putting the ads in. They don't even
realize that it comes from the podcasters. I hear this
all the time. yes hey man you know this this
podverse app you keep telling me to use it's putting
ads in man no no that's actually not the app
that is from the podcaster um when someone pays a
premium for YouTube, as an example. Now, YouTube, of course,
is very separate because they sell the ads. But, you
know, you don't get to... as a producer you don't
put in your own dynamically inserted ads youtube does all
that for you so youtube then gives you i think
45 of a subscription fee for that second that someone
apparently listened and so there's some kind of compensation but
when people pay for an ad-free experience on spotify they
expect an ad-free experience Including dynamically insert ads, which is
really where it all went wrong. It all went wrong
with the dynamically inserted ads. And people, funny enough... You
know, it's tolerated, it's a part of culture, we've had
ads in our face all this time. But no one
really likes them, even though they're helpful and they don't
even realize how it works. But ultimately, the way computing
is going with with local LLMs and scripting capabilities that
you can just ask your phone or your computer to
make something. It's all, it's, people are going to do
it. You can't stop it. It's like ad blockers. You
know, the ad blockers are just a thing. And no
one even thinks twice about them. This is going the
way of blogs. It just will. That's, yeah, the blog
analogy is probably the best one I've heard. I mean,
nobody or very, very few people can make, the only
people making money off blogs are people who are blogs
that take paid subscribers. well like on a sub stack
or a stratechery or one of those sub stack is
genius sub stack is genius because they make it possible
for it's kind of an although you can say this
is only for subscribers which i know i don't like
i got don't feel like it um but once you've
supported one of the sub stacks Then it's just one
click. Then it's just like, oh, okay. Yeah, I want
to support this guy with $8 a month. Click. One
click, done. And it just runs until you look at
your credit card statement like, why am I supporting this
guy again? But to me, it's still the... The open
value-for-value system is still the best. It still is the
best way to do it. It's just it's not for
everybody. And we still have this mentality of old school,
there's 24 hours in a day, there's 60 minutes in
an hour, we're going to allocate five minutes of that
hour towards commercials, it's a linear system. It just doesn't
really work, except at huge scale, which is where Google
wins. Yeah, I think along those same lines, I mean,
it shows – to me, it shows – the skip
ahead button thing shows how much more valuable – Premium
subscribers are than ad support. I mean, ad revenue can
generate large numbers on paper, but when it comes to
profit, I've yet to see that it's very profitable in
the digital age. You know, unless you're It works for
things like Google and Facebook because they own the entire
stack. Yeah, including the ads there on the ad sales
side. Yeah, they're selling the ads and displaying the ads
and have all the users and have all the advertisers
and have all the businesses. It's a closed ecosystem. And
we still don't actually know if they're even profitable. Yeah.
Exactly. That's exactly. Because YouTube never breaks out their profit.
Nope. And they've never spun YouTube off as a separate
business, which is an obvious thing to do. Yes. So
Spotify feels like giving their paying subscribers the ability to
skip ads. They feel that that is worth it. That's
worth it to keep the paying subscribers paying. over what
they would lose from the ad revenue yeah so they
there you do this calculation and you say okay well
if i do this button i'm going to lose a
specific i'm going to lose a certain amount of ad
revenue i'm going to make a certain amount of people
angry but i am willing to lose that because the
risk of losing our premium users to YouTube who also
has this skip button. Yeah, it's too is too high.
Because YouTube already has the skip button and has had
it for a long time. Right. But this isn't even
about skip, man. This is about everything. Well, I agree.
But it's like, do... The interesting thing to me is
Spotify, you go back to the amp accords, which I'm
probably the only person that will ever still talk about
the amp accords. Everybody else is like the whole world
has moved on. But the amp accord, Spotify was supposedly
in the room with the amp people. We can't confirm
that because not everybody agreed to be publicly recognized. They
were on the list. Yeah. and then they turn around
and do this yeah they they agreed to all these
things yeah we're we're all on board with the amp
thing and uh and then they turn around do a
skip button yeah like whoa i mean that's just like
rug pulling the hell out of everybody that was part
of the amp thing um So it's clearly for the
same reason that YouTube does. Am I – My feeling
is that YouTube makes... Way more money from premium subscribers
than they do from advertising. So they use the fact
that advertising is super annoying as the single primary driver
to make you sign up for premium. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Advertising is only useful to these sorts of companies as
a way to drive you to pay them cash on
a monthly basis for premium subscription. Mm-hmm. You know… And
it's exactly what you said is, The, the old model
of linear broadcasting. Honestly, okay, if you think about it,
The only two advertising – sort of advertising-supported content delivery
mechanisms that we've ever had fully advertising-supported were broadcast television
and broadcast radio.
There were other ads – there were other ad-supported mediums
like newspapers and magazines, but they were not fully ad-supported.
You still had to buy a subscription. The advertising dollars
for magazines and newspapers and those kinds of – those
were additional revenue for the publication. But let us remember,
where did the real revenue come from for newspapers? Classified
ads. Yeah, that's right. And so you had multiple revenue
streams. The only two things that were ever fully supported
by advertising only were broadcast, linear broadcast radio and television.
And those, like you said, the inventory constraint, the scarcity
of the number of hours in a day. Yep. Yep.
made that a workable model but that just is that
those days are gone gone dead she's dead jim hey
by the way my start nine just came alive oh
how about that all channels are closed hey those bastards
at podcast index closed my channel yeah you're starting out
it's like we're so back wait what yeah so i
just i mean this this is inevitable but just go
beyond it because if you look at what uh cast
castratia did um castradia castradia let me see castria podcast
app Because it had some other interesting features that I
thought were, okay, here, Castria app. It hasn't been taken
down yet. I wonder why. Um... Okay, so they sell
it as the Castree app skips the ads in every
podcast for you automatically. 100% free! Plus, here it is.
AI summary, searchable transcripts, tap to jump topics, offline listening,
You know, it's starting to do things that I'm interested
in. Just a simple example. Now, I have more time
on my hands for some reason, but every Friday, I
want to get the latest from Pod News Weekly Review.
And I just have my robot, my robot knows, hey,
it's time for podcasting 2.0. Okay, all right, I'm going
to go look at all of Dave's posts on the
index. I'm going to go look at JS, because Sporlock
always has interesting things to look at. It looks at
my bench of articles I've saved. And then it goes
and gets the transcript from actually does its own transcript.
So it gets a pod news weekly review, gets the
transcript and then looks for things that I'm interested in.
And it cross references the topics that you're talking about
and Spurlock is talking about. It surfaces those and it
gives me a little clip to listen to. I mean,
come on. It's beautiful. It is beautiful. And I just,
you know, I just dreamt it up. The dream build
loop is phenomenal. These... excuse me eric pp yes today's
two witty openers were literally written by the robot i
was surprised myself that, The way that These things are
right now. I don't, I'm guessing Castria is vibe coded.
I'm, I'm assuming that it is. I mean, these, maybe,
maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. I wonder who's behind it.
Hmm. this is a knowing thing i don't know i
wonder who's behind it wonder who's vibe coding a lot
hmm i wonder who created that app hmm so the
current state of them boils down to all these ad
skipping apps boils down to this oh If you want
an app that randomly removes parts of the podcast that
you're listening to grab one of these apps yeah because
right now they do they are completely all over the
map they will just pull entire sections of that of
the episode out that don't that are not ads but
because they think it is And you'll just randomly find
parts missing. So, but that's the, that's always the first
level, the first go. These things will get better over
time. They always do. And in a few years, In
a few years, ad skipping is just going to be
the way this stuff works, man. Everything is going to
do it. everything's gonna do your baked in ad sorry
it's not gonna survive it's just not so i don't
know what the i don't know what the answer is
this this is the this was always the problem with
the with with the amp records and with all these
discussions is the heart the more ads you bake it
i i listened to A couple of iHeartRadio podcasts, one
of them is Better Offline, the Edzitron. That thing is
covered with ads. It's eaten up with ads. The ad
load in iHeart, on iHeart, the ad load is huge.
Mm-hmm. And it's always funny to me because their tagline
for iHeart Podcast is guaranteed human, but like a good
50% of the ad reads are AI generated, obviously. So
those things are covered up with ads. Acast Podcast covered
up with ads. This is an industry that's just shooting
itself in the foot. Yeah, like they always do. Always.
But I'm not sad about it, honestly. I'm not. I
get everything I want. I pay for things. You know,
I support stuff. that's that's how that's how it works
for me and all this other stuff is just it's
in the way man it's in the way and you
know we have we have what an extra 500 000
podcasts that have been created that very few listen to
that have all been vibe coded and uh text-to-speech created
it's all useless and you know what podcasters themselves are
idiots you know the whole idea how do you really
feel yeah i'm gonna break it down for you let's
dive in deep dive deep dive let's do a deep
dive You know, Tina used to listen to the Megyn
Kelly podcast. And then Megyn Kelly went video. And then
she would watch the Megyn Kelly podcast on YouTube. And
then, of course, what you do is you create, you
know, your little segments and you post that in the
shorts or you create, you know, a 14-minute segment of
a certain guest. And then she only watches that. I
mean, you're shooting yourself in the foot. And this whole
HLS video, I love it, man. I love that it
technically works, but... Even on, I don't know the exact
details, but with RSS.com, okay, you're not starting off free,
you have to get the max plan, and I'm not
sure if there are limitations, they may have none, because
those guys, they've got some magic voodoo over there, love
them. where it's like, oh, just do whatever you want.
Wow, that's great. But ultimately, everyone has to put some
limits on the amount of accesses you can have of
your HLS video And it's just going to come down
to, okay, what kind of money can I actually make
on it to offset the cost versus throwing your crap
up on YouTube or on X? I think X is
actually going to, you watch with this X money thing,
Elon's going to do something with that that's going to
screw up YouTube big time. You really think so? Yeah,
I do. I do. Everybody hates him so much, though.
But that's irrelevant. Money is money. i can't tolerate x
no anymore it's just it's nothing but russian car crash
videos and but that's your algo you have ads on
x i don't have any ads i don't know what
ads you're talking about i mean they're they're just native
they look like riposte sure But people will, if you
have a link to your podcast and it's video, it
won't be audio, it's video, and it's on X and
you can click a button with your X money. Hey,
I got $25 free from Elon for just signing up
for X money. I got 25 bucks. I love Elon.
He's a great guy. Yeah. I love that guy. I
love that guy. You know, I don't, no, I just,
I don't see it. None of it makes any sense.
And ultimately, the audience is in control. The audience is
in control. And RSS and podcasting, The way it was
created was completely the antithesis of what it's trying to
be shoehorned into. Well, I think, and I think you're
right. It all started with dynamic ad insertion. That's where
it screwed it up. That's the, that was the beginning
of what will, that was the beginning of what will
ultimately become dynamic. a medium that is forced into subscription
support yeah but that is so limited but i'm when
i say subscription support i should that was a mistake
i should have said direct audiences
Okay, yeah, that's different. Because subscription support, yeah, if you
have 100,000 people, then you can convert 10,000 of those
to $1 a month, boom, you know, that's a living.
But you got to get to that 100,000 first. You
don't do that by saying, well, if you really want
to hear the good stuff, the premium content, give me
a break. no i'm a broadcaster from the old days
you know it's got to be free to air people
got to be able to access it and then you
just have to tell them like hey you know if
you don't support us we go away and it works
well the bitcoin lightning ecosystem wedged itself into a hole
where it every it went it's like uh Okay, we're
going to take what could have been this – what
could have been a – A support mechanism layered on
top of podcasting, an open podcasting for open source all
the way down. And, and decided through, I don't know,
VC or, or something driven mechanics to, to bifurcate the
this whole you know lightning into two systems over here
on we're gonna have nostrils apps and we're gonna have
podcasting boosts yeah exactly the best blah blah blah the
best thing about it was bitcoin the worst thing about
it was bitcoin it was the best and the worst
of both things but now but now i think um
So now it's making itself irrelevant. And then – so
what we're left with is – Like for forcing. Forcing
podcasting in, like... What am I trying to say? I
don't know. What are you trying to say? Say something.
I think what we were trying to do, we were
trying to build a system on top of podcasting that
was also open. That would allow everybody to get paid.
Yeah. Including the apps. Right. And so now that is
still the goal. Yeah. Because if we look into the
future of a time when advertising is blocked at the
app level across the board, there has to be some
other mechanism in place to allow... Value for value to
continue to support podcasters and for them to make a
living. And I think that what we're left with is
things like X402, funding tag, you know, I don't know,
some sort of stable coin. I don't know. There's other
mechanisms in play. Well, the funding tag just works for
me. And it was really our own app where I
discovered, oh, man, this is just so easy. It has
a big button right there. Support this show. Click. Opens
up. Okay. Oh, Stripe, well, I'm already somehow, it has
my information already. I don't know if that's through Shopify
or something else. I'm not sure how that got in
there, but okay. So it stored my payment method and
I just pay. with a message and you know i've
been doing this for we get to do this this
is so beautiful so we have um stripe and paypal
and stripe has apple pay it's got all venmo it's
all no paypal is part of venmo or venmo is
part of paypal all so everything is covered everything and
i built my own helipad I said, Robot, I need
to have a spreadsheet for every show. Robot went, okay,
Adam. I need some tokens for the API. Here's how
you get them. Okay. Make sure it's read-only, Adam. Okay.
And I give it the tokens in an env file.
And it builds a spreadsheet for me. It's beautiful. It
has the comments, it goes into my email, checks for
any comments that were sent to notes at WGTDT.com, pulls
them out, puts them in. This is what I'm talking
about. The world is changing so rapidly. And if I
can do it, other people can do this too. For
sure. Yeah, for sure. Only the blessed, but otherwise. Doba.
Yeah. I'm not... I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for... For the
future of... Um... Creators having a way to, for podcasters,
have a way to get paid value for value. Uh,
in, in that's, that says this that's open especially and
one thing that gives me hope is the most recent
apple um court yeah uh stuff like within the last
couple of days yeah they they have had you know
they've they've essentially if you're what if you're watching if
you're keeping track of this they've admitted the fees are
too high that they shouldn't have charged they if actually
if you read between the lines they're saying that they
should have charged zero yeah yeah Just a response to
Chad F. Yes, Chad F. Podverse has a funding tag,
but it's a little icon with a dollar sign on
a coin going into a slot. You know, that's obscure
to me. like i need because i got a big
play button a big live button i've got a big
unsubscribe but it's easy to unsubscribe but it's not easy
to pay right under the unsubscribe put put donate that's
my point yes it's there but i i can't tell
everybody for every app go and look for this go
and look for the little icon of a coin with
a dollar sign on it people that's my point it's
a user experience issue it's not a technical issue So,
yeah, so just – I guess what I'm trying to
say is I have a hope that there is –
there's alternatives beyond lightning and – They seem to be
all easy to adopt. We just have to make sure,
which has been our thing from the very beginning, we
have to make sure that the app gets a cut.
Yeah. That is the way to success. You have to,
if you don't, if you, if, if there, if another
system crops up where only the creator and, and the
hosting companies get paid and the advertise or the, you
know, the, the advertisers, uh, advertising agencies, if, if only
those people get paid again, well, then it's a failure.
And Daniel J. Lewis, don't tell me not to use
the word donate. That's not true. I've been using that
for 19 years on no agenda. We say donate. So
don't tell me that we need to stop using that
word. Um, I think it's, there's a, there's a couple
of things, uh, that I want to talk to. I
want to, we probably want to talk about this next
week and I want to cover it. Like I, I
was going to talk about it today, but I think
I want to talk about it next week because I
need time. I want to throw together some rough ideas
first. Um, yeah. Alberto from RSS.com reached out to me
about a... About publishing a, adding a public, a new
public data set to the, to the index. Interesting. With
all the location tags that we have. And so... What
he, what he's, what his thought is. Is that if
we have a public data set of all the location
tags that we could build an Atlas or some other
tool like the same way that that was done for
PodRoll. So basically a huge discovery mechanism based on that
big, that data set. For geolocation in apps. For geolocation,
yeah, for like where... Because he was giving examples. I
haven't really even looked at that data in a long
time. He was giving examples of some really interesting location
tags that he's finding in podcasts. Well, they have in
RSS.com in their publish interface, the publish dashboard, they give
you two location tag options. You can use both. What
is this about and where is this recorded? yes that's
great i love that and some of the things that
he was uh mentioning in his note to me were
really cool you know like some uh if i remember
right it's like a church in the side of a
mountain in italy or something like it was really neat
i mean and so i think we can use I
think he's right. We need to make this more easily
accessible to people. So I'm, I'm game to do this
and I want, I want to get a rough data
set up first next week. Uh, and I'll, I'll, uh,
have a location for it on the show next week.
And then If other people have ideas about, then once
people see it, they could give feedback on how they
would change, you know, if it needs changes or whatever.
That's a good idea. It's also good for people who
want to start a podcast. Where is something missing? Yeah,
yeah, exactly.
Yeah, kind of like the way they do with categories.
It's like, what is a niche category? Yeah, yeah. And
I'm all about hyper-local. I mean, that's still the way
to go. Hyper-local podcasting is dynamite. Lots of people are
doing it. They have a lot of fun. They're not
doing it for money necessarily, but they are often supported
by their local community. And we have the North Idaho,
North ID podcast, N-O-I-D, I can't remember the name of
it. They're kind of doing a local no agenda for
the Idaho, for their area of Idaho. And it's super
popular. Yeah, this is where you can still have a
lot of success. Where everything, the whole podcast industrial complex
pushes everybody towards volume. Gotta have more volume. Grow your
show. Grow your show. R.I.P. Todd. Yeah. And then the
other thing was... The podcast contact tag. I'm high on
this thing. I still think it's a good idea. Yeah.
I do too. Can we, can somebody, Daniel, Daniel, you're
busy. Can somebody write this up as a PR? I
think he already did a lot of this work with...
with uh san filipo yeah he did but um I
would like to have it as a pull request. Yeah,
but don't distract the child from the good work he's
already doing. He's working on the splits with Stripe. That's
why I said he's busy. But you put it out
there. Okay. Daniel, when you're done with the Stripe thing,
then do that. Or if somebody else wants to do
it, somebody else can do it. But don't get distracted.
Yeah, please don't. Squirrel, I'm going to run over here.
I think it's a great idea, and I think it
needs to move forward. I'm with you on that. I'm
with you. i'm with you big time what is the
podcast contact tag again that's just all the different ways
that you can uh contact the podcaster so or the
show in in question yes So, uh, you know, it's,
let me see if I've got, maybe I have a
link to it. Let me see. Copy. Yes, I do.
Here we go. Here you go, Eric. In the boardroom,
uh, right there. There's, that will tell you everything you
need to know. Nice. Uh, yeah. So I think that's,
uh, I think those two things probably are important. Um,
I want. Probably again, probably something again for next week
would be the podcast image tag. I want to have
an idea for using that. For custom app icon delivery?
I mean, just have your app resize it on the
fly. Yeah, but this is an example of a method
of using it, yeah. but uh well we can talk
about this next week i know we're running low on
time well let us thank some people for supporting the
podcast index and the entire project that it is we're
repurposing machines now that's what it's come down to yeah
uh but we we really appreciate everybody who supports us
value for value um We've got a donate button. Oh,
my God. We're not a nonprofit. We've got a donate
button at the bottom of our page, podcastindex.org. You are
supporting the lifeblood of Podcast Index. Adam and Dave get
none of this. We put it into... kitty and it
supports all of the uh all of the machines and
everything that is running to keep this going with some
room to spare so we appreciate it as you continue
to support every single dollar makes a difference even five
dollars buys us one of our little mini servers for
a month so we appreciate all of you and i
unfortunately i have no way of Looking at anything past
one week ago, On helipad. Why? Because my channel's closed.
Two weeks ago, I'm sorry. Two weeks ago. Yeah, this
thing sucks. But it still should be in the helipad.
Yeah. What thing sucks? Start nine. No, it'd be closed
two weeks ago. So I only have... Oh, I see.
The last... I have a True Fans four sats. So
that was a streaming payment. For episode 266, and I
don't have anything else, then it's two weeks ago. So
you probably have more accurate information than I have. Uh,
well, let me do, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
sure I'm going to have much more accurate information than
you do. I've got, uh, I, I extracted this, I
extracted the Albie hub data. And it was like, there's
nothing there. Everyone's given up on us. I guess. Those
guys. Well, ComicShareBlogger is the last of the Mohicans. DCGirl
said that she sent us a comment, and I can't
find it. I'm going to have to get her to
resend it. No. uh we see we got some paypals
we got a bunch of them actually chris bernardic five
bucks thank you Dreb Scott, $15. Thank you, Dreb. Michael
Kemmerer, $5.33. Charles Hicks, $5. Um... Let's see, is this
a one-off? No, it's a... uh oh paul de bruin
yeah this is a one-off uh ten dollars a great
job you were doing he says thank you paul well
thank you paul cameron rose 25 bucks thank you cam
nice Uh, let's see. This is the... oh this is
from ralph uh ralpha step 50 bucks thank you ralph
uh martin lindascope one dollar thank you martin uh pod
page brendan mulligan and pod page 25 bucks thank you
brendan uh joseph maraca five bucks uh thank you uh
oh look what we got look what we got here
uh oh it's a one-off from blueberry a hundred dollars
nice i'll give you a baller for that shot collar
20 inch blades on the impala nice thank you boys
and girls blueberry he says from uh from the guys
and gals at blueberry not fringe anymore go podcasting not
fringe where is my go podcasting where did that thing
go That's interesting. let's see we got you lost your
go pocket I just got it Mitchell Downey, 50 bucks
Thank you Mitch Christopher Harbark, 10 bucks A double From
Mitch, 10 bucks Damon Kasajak, 15 We got a one-off
Another one-off I don't know how to pronounce His name,
10 dollars from rare rare is i own petrescu it's
r a r a r e s dash i o
a n thank you yes thank you very much uh
terry keller five dollars and i'm sorry for messing your
name up uh Silicon Florist, $10. Thank you. Christopher Cowan,
$5. Paul Salzman, $22.22. As always, Darry J. Visker. Darry
J. Visker, the best name in podcasting, $21. Unol Campolot,
$5. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. uh jeremy girds
five dollars and that's it and that's our that's our
paypals and and the the proof is always in the
pudding you know if i look at op3.dev i'm gonna
look at how many people actually apparently download this show
i wouldn't say that they uh podcasting 2.0 let's see
what op3 says Uh, we don't even show up on
the list anymore. we don't here we go we're page
four okay we suck let me see here's an example
let me see what we what we have so the
last 30 days is a bad example of course because
we we're missing two shows we've been gone too long
let me go back to well that's June 1st. I
mean, so we have 5,000 downloads in the last 30
days. You can't even get inserted ads with that amount
of downloads. Oh, yes. It's weak. It's too weak. Yeah.
So, well, actually, our downloads in July. Oh, in June.
Here we go. June... unique audience in june whatever spurlock
says is is i'll take it as gospel 5721 we're
running an entire index off of this with people just
supporting us with value for value that's my point it's
amazing yeah no it's not it's it's how it works
But that's the beauty of it. And we're just yapping.
We're just catching up. You know, communities involved and they
support us. That's all that it has to be. Now,
if we said we're closing it down and we need
to have money to survive, people would support us or
not. yeah or they wouldn't and we wouldn't survive yeah
it's that simple it's really that simple that's just me
let me see uh we got a reran so i'm
i'm
I said that I would fix the Albi Hub export
thing, and I mostly did. Mm-hmm. Uh, so I got...
Uh, I got three. I just reran it again. I
got three out of here, but for some reason I
can't see the message that I think may be from
Martin Lindeskog or it might be from Sam. It's on
true fans. And I don't, don't know what let me
read the first two i got we got three one
of them is uh from fountain user 9401873488328 and he
or she says have some sats before ai steals them
it's 10 000 sats nice thank you comic strip blogger
is the delimiter but i want to try to find
this other one first though it's a true fan so
if i take this url this boost url from true
fans yeah and you hit it And if I copy
it and paste it into a web browser... I was
thinking that I would see the boost message. But what
I see is just... Our page on true fans. no
comment no no boost there i'm gonna try to read
the message out of the spreadsheet of the database yes
get it from yeah get it from the table okay
it says i will continue to stream satoshis do you
have a snail mail address i would like to send
you a symbolic silver coin Oh, someday in the cutoff
morning. uh in the morning may here's another one let
me try this other one this looks like the same
message this is fascinating this is great stuff and Payment?
See, because I hit the payment URL. Nothing. Let me
place this in the boardroom. Maybe somebody else can figure
this out. That's the one I'm trying to read. yeah
oh wait the oh yeah it's martin lindisco he says
oh okay he just posted it in i'll continue to
stream satoshis do you have a snail mail address i
would like to send you a symbolic silver coin someday
in the future yeah you got to go to the
comments tab on uh on that page that's where it
shows up Oh, so you've got to click it and
then go to the comments. You have a favorite bullion
coin. Yes, gold. I have an artistic copper coin, not
legal tender, with the Fibonacci sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5. FYI, I got
credited to my wallet on TruFans with the unused balance
from my audio hosting subscription. The amount of Satoshis covered
this boostergram. Well, I'm giving you a like. I'm giving
you a like, a little heart. Yeah, I'll do that
to you. Like. Oh, I got a sign in. Yeah.
Comic strip blogger. There he is. 23,999 sets. He made,
he somehow made it happen. Okay. Even through all the
lightning apocalypse. howdy dave and adam so when adam moved
to texas before he met tina the keeper aka his
current wife He had only one friend there, Gene. Coincidentally,
that Gene just gave me epic interview about how to
get rich off AI-generated music and tips on how to
improve it. Watch Gene talking over one hour to me
on YouTube. Just search for AI Arch Wizard. Yo, CSB,
Ozempic Taker. Wow. soon to be blind soon pancreatic cancer
victim thank you comics or blogger we love you know
i just need him in the we get to do
this community because then we know it'll take off when
comics or blogger arrives that's when your community takes off
you need that guy you need that guy you need
that guy everybody needs a comic strip blogger you need
him and there's nothing like the original the og comics
or blogger the og csb you got to have the
og csb there's nothing quite like him All right, everybody.
Board meeting. Board room. Thank you very much for being
here once again. Sorry we missed two weeks. We should
be good to go next week. Yeah, I'm good to
go. End of the month, I'm going back to the
Netherlands, so I get to meet my granddaughter. I'm taking
my rig, so we'll just have to figure out the
times, but I think I can do the board meeting.
I have a little more time on my hands these
days, it turns out. Yeah, you do. Yeah. Well, I'm
going to go install a carburetor. You go do that.
I'll have the beer. All right. Okay, everybody. Hey, everybody.
Have a great weekend. Thanks for being here once again
for the board meeting where everybody's a star. Podcasting 2.0.
See you next Friday. We'll be right back. Thank you.
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