Podcasting 2.0 for July. Hello everybody, hello everybody in podcasting
land. Well, only the future of podcasting. Yeah, that's right.
This is the board meeting, the place where it all
goes down, where this band of misfits gets together to
discuss it all. We are the only board meeting you
can attend with your eyes closed. I'm Adam Curry, here
in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in
Alabama, the man who can tell you exactly why the
Roman Empire fell. Say hello to my friend on the
other end, the one, the only, Mr. Dane. Any anything
happening in your world? Nah, not much going on. Yes,
it seems a little slow. It's been a slow week.
Yeah, you just kind of Yeah, nothing. Oh yeah, that's
right. I don't want anyone who I know to die
this week. Wow. So, um, six hours of podcast. How,
how much do you even have in the tank today?
No, I, I got, I got a tank, but, uh,
I would say. You know, that mode where you're just
like, I'm running in crisis mode. Can I? Sort of
take the wheel for a second. I would like to
just ask you if you're okay with this. I would
like to ask you some questions that I think you
can answer. would be helpful for people who might be
in your same space. And so you, your co-host of
No Agenda, because there's... agenda. There's me. That's true. You're
in the Venn diagram. You're the one where it all
over. You're the center. I'm there. I'm there. Yeah. You
and Cotton Gin. And so the, the, you know, some
people may not know who are not listening to Nojana
and you're, so you're a long time co-host for 18
years. Is that right? Yeah. in October. for any for
a substantial And for any show. So there's a few
questions I want to ask about this because if any,
for any, like. Number one, a little bit of selfish
concern for you that I have. No agenda is your
main source of income. Yes. I need to ask you,
are you going to be okay? I don't know. Honestly,
I don't know. I appreciate the question. Would we be
okay for a year without income? be it. So it's
not preferred. I mean, up and down income is the
life of any sort of freelance person, whether it's a
contractor or a freelance artist or any type of person
who does freelance. I mean, you're not, well, you don't
have a guaranteed paycheck. So for, and again, I'm kind
of asking this question as if I'm another person out
there who also, may have your next steps are. Good
questions, the questions I've been asking myself. No, no, no.
Uh, well there's a couple th- The main issue I
just want to put the money aside because I've never
really worked for money. And it shows. He does. So
what's interesting... but ours in particular. in my opening of
our tribute show, which will... have their say, so we
just said, put it in your donation note. We read
753 notes yesterday. That's why it was... Oh my goodness,
that is so much. But it was beautiful, of course.
thing that struck me as an aside is the number
of faithful people Not just people sending thoughts and prayers,
but like real people. was kind of blew me away.
Yeah, we... But it was a performance. We always said
this. It was a performance between And... I think we
both the other guy laughs. to say, hey, look at
me, I got something, look at this theory I have,
or look at these things I've found, clip of the
day, that kind of stuff. So that's a chemical. that
we didn't even start until we had been talking on
Skype 18 years ago for weeks. You know, hey, we
should probably record this. That's literally how it got started.
So very much like... talking for years podcast. Do we
get to do this with Pastor Jimmy? We're now 42
episodes in. So, you know, I'm not a solo guy.
can't just plug someone in and oh okay now So,
and also, I don't think that, I don't know if
that would work. Right. And honestly, I'm also very tired.
you I think propping him up, dragging him along a
little bit, which was completely understandable. Also, you know, not...
a big secret I was supposed to keep, but he
was 80 years old, not 74. He was a little
older, not that that's a death sentence for most. You
know, and just, you know, what's happening, what's going on,
concern for him. You know, two families have been living
off of this show, in essence, for all this time.
So I really don't know what's going to happen or
what I'm going to do. Honestly, I think I need
just a week or two of rest. I don't think
his passing is going to be a good thing. you
get the call on Monday. There's, you know, what are
we going to do? Consoling. um with his family. It
affected me. And Processed it yet. And. I'm like, I
haven't really quite wrapped my head around it, but yes,
I do have to figure something out for sure. What
that is, I just don't know. And do I really
want... with someone else, I don't think it would be
the same. And it would, I think it would feel
fake to me. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it
does make sense. And it melts it. Like, sometimes I
think when you're in a situation like this where somebody
passes away, but you also have lost. Thank you. of
uh orbit around that person even even a spouse or
something like that you they're passing your grief connected to
their passing gets pushed to the side for a while.
You just have to take care of a lot of
things. You have to take care of, you know, if
you're the family. the funeral and you have to take
care of all those things if you're you know somebody
who's a business partner or a long time friend or
you have other responsibilities you're gonna have you everything suddenly
becomes around um what there are immediate actions that i
need to take to take care of real world issues
and so you tend to put your own grief to
the side for a little while and then it's only
later that you really begin to experience that. And so
that, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, you
probably just kind of feel a little bit lost right
now, I would imagine. Yeah. Tina's been fantastic. She's like,
we'll figure it out. Everything's doable. Everything's possible. We'll figure
it out. That's really awesome that she's not freaking out.
But she realizes the same thing. It's like, okay, well,
what does this mean? How do we move forward if
income stops? But I'm trying not to. I kind of
stopped worrying about money in 1990 for a whole bunch
of reasons. Mostly because you lost it all? No, no,
no. That came later. Okay. No, that came in the
2000s. And I really love podcasting. I love the shows
that I do. I love No Agenda. I really did,
but I just don't see... and recreate some chemistry. I
think I'd always-- if that were the way I would
go, it would always be unbalanced. You know what I
mean? And also, you know, we were 50-50 partners on
a handshake, literally, except for the, we had to form
an LLC because the IRS was like, what are all
these $3 checks? What's all this cash and envelopes? Are
you a political candidate? What is this? What's going on
with that? So we had to formalize that. You know,
so there's another, there's another party in this equation, you
know, so how do you deal with that? And it's
just, but, but just from a creative, point. John was
my counterpart. Just like you're my counterpart on this show
and Jimmy's my counterpart. do this. And that's something, you
know, Jimmy and I've been talking for years before we
said, hey, let's hit record on this. Same with you
and I. So I don't have that luxury of finding,
oh, let me find you, buddy. Yeah, let's talk for
a bit and then we'll hit record. Just doesn't seem
like it. But it's just interesting as, and John and
I would talk about this all the time. This was
our famed exit strategy talk because there's no exiting from
a podcast, except the way he did it. He literally
took the only exit strategy there. is and by the
way to just be lighted out while grousing about the
hole in NCIS, yeah, I'll sign me up for that.
That's the way to go. That's simultaneously the most John
Dvorak thing to do and also a great way to
go out. Exactly, exactly. So, and I appreciate him for
that. But, you know, I'm... It'll sound corny, but I'm
just putting my faith in God and praying about it
and saying, what does this mean? And listening for answers.
And that will take a little bit of just time
without the stress of. doing a show twice a week
so i have some thoughts on how we'll keep the
show going uh for for a couple weeks so i
can just get my get my head together sure um
and we'll see we'll see where it goes but i
appreciate i appreciate the concern because yeah the concern is
obviously real you have to get a job i don't
know Maybe. I mean, there's, this could be the case
that other people face when... of a long running co-host.
I think there's maybe not a lot of people in
this situation, but there are quite a few who, I
mean, think about any show like, take "Accidental Tech" or
"The Flophouse" or any of these shows where there's two
or three people who are sort of, whose personalities combine
to create really what the show is. It's not one,
you really can't just plug another person in. It's really
this unique fingerprint that's created by the combination of... personalities
and how they interact. Here's the thing that is unique
though. Because with everything I've ever done in broadcasting, and
certainly in podcasting, I learned a long time ago, and
this is part of the value for value model, is
that... building a community. audience. See, this is my, this
is completely antithetical to what the podcast industry. wants. They
want numbers. And we're going to jerry-rig this thing so
that we can show numbers. Even if you hit play
and listen for 30 seconds, we've got numbers. Numbers, numbers,
numbers, numbers.
And... very very difficult you know we probably would have
made a little maybe 20 percent with advertising, with the
amount, depending on how many ads we would jam into
a show, just looking at the number of downloads, if
we'd gone that route. And it would have never worked
because we would have lost advertisers for all kinds of
reasons. And certainly during COVID, where the value for value
model actually worked very well in our favor, that would
have been extremely adverse if we were an ad-driven podcast.
is far bigger than than adam and john i mean
we have five meetups a weekend taking place all over
the world you know it's not like we're at the
meetup people just hanging out together discussed or whatever they're
doing. You know, we've had people meet each other. It's
a very, it's a community. that help me through it
no matter what I do or or but I also
feel a responsibility towards them too. You know, you can't
rug pull. I mean, that's just not something that can
happen. It's way too... We have jokes and inside jokes
and and all kinds of things that you know I
don't want that to fall apart. just general point to
make about what no agenda was is because you built
because you because you And it evolved over time into
being more than just content. It was a whole community
of people. community of people will follow you to your
next project, but it doesn't mean that you're going to
keep them there. I mean, if the con. They won't.
built the community and that community is, is strong and
will follow you and give this next, whatever project you
do next, they'll give that a shot. Yeah. No, I
know. And that gives you, you know, at least it
gives you a solid footing to begin with, you know,
and, and because they want, they're, they're, I think a
lot of them, like, it's, it's sort of like, um,
when Neil Peart passed away in Rush, You can't just
plug... It's not that bad. different. Yeah. Oh yeah, for
sure. I think of, I mean, just our show, we've
been going for six years and, you know. Don't die
on me. I promise. I will never die. If you
left or something, I could, like, I'm not going to
just keep doing it. I can't do it by myself
or, like, with somebody else. It's just not the same
thing. the, in, in, The desire to even do that
wouldn't be there. Right. Well, there you go. Because this
also applies to... If you're a podcaster and your longtime
podcast co-host dies, it's not just that they die. They
could also just leave for business reasons or health reasons.
There's just lots of reasons why something like that could
become an issue for people. I mean, I guess it
has to be part of your planning process, I guess.
Basically, what we're saying is podcasting is a bad industry
to get into. It never ends well. It never ends
well. It's the road. Straight up. So... I have some
ideas. I've spoken to a few people. The worst part.
is an interesting I can't do the show with anybody.
that show the way it is. So something has to
transform and I may or may not be. But I
think the show can continue. one way or the other.
yet. And as I said, I haven't really. Tuesday, it's
like, okay, I... Monday. Like, what? everybody, trying to get
stuff together. We wanted to do a memorial show, of
course. I don't know what I did Wednesday. We just
did the show Thursday. Six hours is long when you're
reading 700 notes. And today or tomorrow I've got to
put some some kind of best of job. stuff to
me so that's really good always the producers of course
they do So I got to put that together and
then we have to. because more will come in. And
then, you know, John's memorial is going to be on.
So we got it to San Francisco. Coincidentally, like... within
the period that John died, I got a baby granddaughter.
Yeah, that's right. So it was kind of like life
and death in one go. And we got a We
got to go visit. Yeah. Because we haven't seen that
we were there long. You have some kind of buzz
going on. Do you have a USB cable? I heard
it. Do you have a USB cable somewhere near? Let
me. No, not really. I think it's gone now. Um...
So we'll see. As I would say in these cases,
it was a real day wrecker. That's for sure. It's
a real day wrecker. Now, this. in the podcast world.
Okay. group came out and still kind of secret who's
in it. You find it interesting? I find it interesting
because I see opportunity. That's why. I mean, I see
opportunity that may be counter to what most people see.
I thought the most... And... You know, so they have
a definition of is and you know I I kind
of like the idea of it works with your eyes
closed okay that's cute and then they add to that
which is Could be RSS, doesn't have to be. Okay,
well, I take some. Some exception to that. But then
it all folds right into... Well, okay, so I was
listening to Dan Granger on Pod News Weekly Review, and
he said, you know, the worst thing we can do
is we can be confusing our customers. And I thought,
hold on a second. Who is the customer of a
podcast? That's the listener. And they're all focused on the
advertiser. And I understand it, and I understand what they
want to do, and it's not going to make, it's
going to make a few people. nothing because agencies and
platforms and uh agencies, platforms, well, you know, they... The
role. You get 10,000 downloads. for any podcast, you know,
they're going to take a hundred of them, roll them
up and, you know, they're going to make their 15%
agency cut or whatever it is. And everyone else will
get, you know. off of it nice little money and
somehow that's a multi-billion dollar industry i'm just not seeing
it but i guess it's true and and so then
they come up with this metric which is so determine
what a play is and it's either 60 seconds or
30 seconds i'm like you actually with the with the
infrastructure they're talking about putting together handing over all this.
which we know that an app can actually do a
pretty good job of understanding what people are doing and
even how long they're listening. But see, they don't want
to do that. They don't want to actually say, yes,
advertiser, your ad was heard. played while someone had the
phone in their hand and was using it and the
play button was pressed we're going to presume that and
they heard your ad. They don't want to do that.
Which, if you're going to do all this data stuff
anyway, just get to it. You can do that, but
they don't want to because they know it's bullshit. Because
the numbers will drop off a cliff, which I personally
think would be good because then you have more scarcity,
you can ask for higher CPMs, but the industry is
all built around this now and they don't want to
see that happen. So the whole thing is kind of
a farce. As I'm listening to it, I'm like, well,
first of all, I said, if I'm on a podcast
app, just... and I hit another chapter, does that count
as another play? - Why would that, what are you
thinking in that regard? - Well, I mean, we're hearing
all of these numbers coming out of Apple, like, you
know, I had 300 people listening, but I had 350
plays. Why is that? Is that because the plays get
registered when it stops for a second because you got
a text message? message or you hit on a chapter
there's all these variables that we don't know and so
this just it's it's gotten if it's gotten even worse
I think what they're proposing it's worse than downloads now
it's just all these variables and they're cutting everybody out
it's only they only want to get Apple on board
they only get will be on board by default. YouTube
is in there. It's only going to get worse for
everybody. It's not going to get any better. They're not
really, no one's talking about Podverse or Podcast Guru or
True Fans. No one's talking about that. They don't care.
They do not care. They only care about Apple, Spotify,
and I guess YouTube. That's all the big three. The
big three, the big three, the big three. So, you
know, it's like good luck. Good luck. I'm conflicted a
lot about the whole amp thing because in... of me
that says this whole thing is just going to be
sort of a bum And then nobody's ever going to
think about it again. I mean, I would not. I'm
going to give my thoughts on it and try to
be as kind as I can, but also give my
raw opinion. and Giles and all these, I think they
just seem like nice, well-intentioned people. it would not surprise
me if this thing just basically goes into most people's
trash bin like right after they read it and it'll
never be thought of again. I just... I'm not trying
to be dismissive. I'm just giving what I think is
an honest assessment that I'm not sure that this document
is ever going to even last. in anybody's memory past
this week. That's a very short life you give it
there. Well, there's a lot of, there's a, there's some
reasons for that. I feel like, um, you know, they
contacted me last week and asked for my opinion. past
week and I was very honest with him that I
disagreed philosophically with doing things in private. And I think
that the only way they could get all these people
in the same Zoom session together was by making everything
very private and a bunch of NDAs and that kind
of thing. I think that's the only way that any
of these big players are going to actually talk to
one another and try to do things in anything that
looks like a committee or anything like that. like that.
So the secrecy was baked in from the very beginning,
probably because, probably not out of desire, but probably because
it was just the only way to get all those
people in the same room together. And the problem with
that, though, is... Whatever decisions they make in the secret
room don't have a chance to be commented on by
people outside of that secret room bubble. That's why doing
things in secret is so important. is not the right
approach and it kneecaps otherwise efforts because When you do
it in secret, you don't have the insight that communities
bring.
And you don't, you can. You can short circuit a
lot of wasted effort and a lot of Mediocre ideas.
by just having more people give their opinion. And that.
It was clear that that was not done here. Now,
I mean, I want, I was wanting to have. those
guys on the show, but that's proving to be a
little more difficult than I thought it would be. And
maybe we'll still be able to get that to happen.
um Like, essentially, I'm just gonna be talk- I'm just
gonna talk- about the the questions I would ask. or
I would want to ask is, The podcast definition part
of the document. To me, that seems like a little
bit of internal, like inside baseball to the marketing industry.
And I don't, I mean, that doesn't really, I don't
care, whatever. That's their business. then the document takes a
turn and asks and starts laying out a lot of
technical specifications. and what it lays out. is a heavy
lift. podcast app developers. What it wants is... is constant.
reporting. first party reporting. Play metrics. Ditter. that are somewhat
anonymized. And let me say what I mean by somewhat.
It's using the made MAID standard for like in a
hashed email address for the listener. It is. not clear
in what ways this this interacts with GDPR compliance and
California's privacy regulations. That's a good point. So immediately, and
the document lays this out. Um... It lays out. that
There will have to be opt-outs. and things like that
that are put in place in order to support this.
calls there is probably going to be some sort of
violation of GDPR or some sort of interaction with those
laws. So what you end up with. is a humongous
coding effort. on the part of a small team or
a solo app developer. and It's a ton of work.
With lots of exposure to downside. Because now, if the
stuff breaks... You hear directly from the app user. If
Now you have to support all the GDPR takedown, delete
my account requests. Yep. There is all, and all of
this stuff comes to the app developer, not the people
who wrote this specification. I didn't see app developers in
there anywhere. All that was in this document on the
app development side was what they want. Yeah. And there's
nothing in there about what the app developers are going
to get because the app developers are not going to
get anything but headaches. No. There's all the app developers
in what is being asked. The app developers get all
of the downside and none of the benefit. I mean,
really, they're doing what? advertising always drives companies to do
is hijack it. And the problem is that people have
tried to hijack RSS for decades. And it's very, very
difficult. And I don't, I really don't think they can
do it. And the whole nature, the whole. openness of
RSS is antithetical to how advertising works. Advertising wants to
be in a controlled environment. We have all this information.
And we can really also... artificially restrict the supply to
up the demand to increase the CPM. And the internet,
I mean, ask yourself. Who is really making a living
with a blog? Nobody. The only thing that is reasonably
successful is Substack. And I'm sure there are others. But
Substack has a very interesting model. They make it super
easy for you to... basically create a, you know, it's
like they have a... funding tag, you know, click it,
click here. You want to, you want to spend money
once you're. In the system... then you can subscribe to
any of these blogs. We'll just call them blogs. And
now they also do podcasts. And that's actually not a
bad idea. I don't like that it's a platform because
platforms can change. They can change ownership. They can go,
all kinds of stuff can happen. They can increase fees,
you know, all these problems. I think still. Podcast is
something you create to listen to if you want to
if you want to make your living out of it
You're gonna have to do something else. You it's not
just about how do I increase my downloads? They're there
this whole amp group the way I think they're looking
at it is like influencers. So they have their Dynamically
inserted ads which they just want to do at scale.
So I just want to buy 1000 podcasts insert my
ad there each podcast has 10,000 a thousand downloads, listens,
plays, whatever you want to call it. So that's a
million. that's uh a thousand CPMs. So that should cost
me, you know. $3,000, $5,000, whatever. Probably less. And the
money that trickles down is pennies to everybody else. The
influencer part is, which is a very established industry right
now. I know because my daughter is doing it. And
they look at how many followers do you have. So
you have to have at least, I think, 50,000 followers.
And then they look at your views. And they don't
really care. how long you want because it's video it's
a different experience and okay you get so you get
x amount of views per post uh we want you
to promote this product incorporate it into your uh into
your content which usually turns out to be the content
which i've always been a fan of that i like
home shopping network you know i think this is a
great model and that's kind of what they want to
do But that's because the platforms have all this information.
And, Lord, the platforms, they make more money on selling
the user, the viewer information than they do on the
ads, you know, to data brokers and all this stuff.
So it's really, it's, you know, people want to capitalize
and want to monetize podcasting. It's not set up for
it. And it never will be because it's not. This
is why they say it doesn't have to be an
RSS feed. That's the key. That's the key. That's the
thing they want. This is a podcast and you don't
have to do it in any certain way. But if
this podcast is on YouTube or if it's in some
other enclosed environment, then I'm sure Instagram will soon have
podcasts. They'll call it podcast. They'll have a tab called
podcast. X will have that. Everybody will have that. But
that's when you are so at risk. It's worse than
your podcast partner dying. Lost Adam. Oh, did you lose
me? Hello? Oh, there you are. You disappeared. Oh, I'm
sorry. Didn't mean to. That was weird. No, I was
saying that... The way did you lose me? Uh, I
don't remember. Okay. Don't worry. It was like five words
ago. It wasn't important. I just, I don't see it
as... Oh, you said Instagram's going to have a podcast
tab. Yeah, everyone's going to have a podcast tab. And
that's going to be called a podcast. And now you'll
have to upload your video to all these different platforms.
It's the opposite of what podcasting is. It's the opposite.
Well. I can tell you this. Marco Arment. is going
to keep a copy of this document in the bathroom.
so he can wipe his ass with it every time
he goes to the bathroom. And I can pretty much
guarantee you that most other indie app developers... Are not
even going to read it. But see, that's the point.
I've heard these guys talk. They don't care. They want
Apple to do it. And they're going to push Apple
as far as they can. And guess what Apple's going
to do? Nothing. No, they will. Oh, they definitely will.
Oh, yes. Oh, yes, they will. Look, you think that
you think Apple's going to report. stats back every 30
seconds they're already in the game with hls video no
yes they are they're taking a piece Yeah, well, yeah,
they're taking a piece of it, but why would they
help in this way? You're missing my point. They'll be
like, sure, we'll help you out. We're going to take
a piece. I don't think so. They're already doing it.
Why wouldn't they? Because they weren't part of it. That's
not the way they would. They don't let other people
build specs and then go adopt it. When it's something
like the only reason that Ted and the fellers at
Apple Podcasts have implemented the podcasting 2.0 tags is because
they made a lot of technical sense and it matched
up with some things they wanted to do. There was
a synchronicity there that happened over time. And we just
ended up, you know, we were all in the same
rooms together at various podcast conferences and stuff. And it
just evolved as a relationship over time. Why did Apple
get into taking a piece of the advertising with HLS
video? Why? because they developed it. Oh, okay. So they
can look at this. That's my point, though. They wrote
HLS, and they also developed the spec to get the
money out. Apple podcasting has always been a cost center.
I'm not talking about Ted and the wonderful people over
there. Sure. We got a new CEO coming in. I
don't know what he's doing, but it seems to me
that if there is a group out there who says,
hey, there's another billion dollars on the sideline here of
an already billion dollar or two billion dollar or 20
billion dollar industry. I don't know what the numbers are
anymore. Seems really big to me. And all we have
to do is jump into it because these guys want
to spend money and we can get a piece of
it. Oh, we're going to tell you how the spec
is going to work. Because I can tell you? that
none of that would go to Apple. Almost 100% of
it would go to YouTube. Yeah, but... The billion dollars
sitting on the sideline, it's not going equally... It's not
being equally distributed amongst all these players. It's going to
go heavily to YouTube. Well, that's possible. Because they defined
the definition of a podcast away from RSS. Yeah, that's
true. That's true. I also think that the Apple ethos...
is You don't just go do a thing and drop
this spec on us and tell us we have to
do it. That's the quickest way to get them not
to do something. Okay. Well, we shall see. We shall
see. But for sure... Doesn't matter. This movement they have
here. With those Judases over at Libsyn. It doesn't include
us. Let's just be very clear. No, that's for sure.
Let's just be very clear. But I like that position.
I like being different. I like being counterculture. And the
only solution I have, which doesn't help the app developers
yet, but I'm really thinking, how do we evolve the
funding tag? If we could evolve the funding tag. to
help the app developers. And I really, you know, I'm
really looking at different payment systems. And I'm talking boosts
just for, you know, let me send something, a subscription.
There has got to be a way. that this can
be done. And it may take. It may take a
centralized company to do that. I actually have a funny
feeling that X money might might make something possible. -
What is X money? - Oh, that's Elon's everything app
money. Yeah, yeah, you can make the sound, but he's
gonna offer 6% APY interest rate if you store your
money with him. People will flock to it. Isn't this
the second time that X slash Twitter has promised to
be everybody's wallet, though? Well, I... You know what? It's
easier than going to Mars. That is very, I cannot
find fault with that statement. Is there some way? that
we can take this Newly proposed. unratified contact tag from
Daniel and Alex and Filippo. And use that as. The
messaging mechanism. for the for the funding tax somehow this
is all just come up in my head like with
We could always expand the funding tag to add that
in. That would make more sense to have another field
and another destination. Like a linkage. Like if you had
a contact tag that was like the designated message destination
for the funding tag thing. I'm throwing stuff at the
wall here. That's cool. If we're gonna do this... And
we haven't seen a lot of uptake on the funding
tag. And by uptake, I mean not that you have
a dollar sign and you can tap it and it
goes somewhere, but like the boost button. It was a
big-ass button. You know, like, boom, hit this. And I
understand why. The only way I think we should develop
this, if we can figure out a way that we
can get some of that money to an app developer.
And that's the only way I really want to do
it. do it because otherwise we're just killing ourselves. Or
they're being eschewed. They're being eschewed. Right. If we can
turn that around. And that was kind of the beauty
of Lightning is we had the splits. The splits was
really the thing. You had a split for the app.
You could put splits in however you wanted to do
it. And it could be for bigger amounts. We don't
have to do the micropayments. But if I knew that
certain apps were surfacing a big donate, give, boost, whatever
button you want to call it, I tell people to
use that app. Hey, it's right in your app. Hit
that now. But it has to benefit them as well.
I agree. Otherwise, I don't think we should even work
on it until we figure that part out. All the
same problems come into play. Money transmitter licenses, you know,
all this stuff. How does, so what Buzzsprout does, they
do that from the hosting side. Yes. And so I
presume that they're taking a platform fee for doing it.
should be i don't know about that i i don't
i if i remember correctly when at least when they
rolled it out i don't know about the current state
but at least when they rolled it out i'm almost
positive that they said this was just a service to
their to their podcasters they were not going to take
any sort of cut they should they just they yeah
the the thing about like i was praising the the
Buzzsprout solution last week and I think part of that
solution could be if you had a verified Daniel J.
Lewis is in the boardroom. He says, if an app
developer offers a strike... they can take a fee from
the payment. That's interesting. So does that mean that I
would have to register my podcast with every single app?
problem actually it's not that big of a deal no
i mean you could single sign-up sheet that could That's
not that crazy. But you'd have to sign up with
every app. Well, I'll tell you what, that would take
me a couple hours on an afternoon. I'd sign up
with every app that offered that. Let's go. The other
way to do it is if you have a third
party or a hosted platform, tell me where I'm messing
up. Tell me what I'm missing here. If you had
the bus route model, I'm in the app. I tap.
And it. doing, you know, this. Can't the service... if
and Striper Card. to each individual. And then the podcast
app is the one that takes a platform fee and
sends the money directly to the podcast app. my Stripe
account. Is that correct, Daniel? That's interesting. Here's what I'm
trying to avoid. you The effectiveness or the excuse me
the adoption on the app side. Lightning was a heavy
lift on a technical stem from a technical standpoint. That's
not. that but the other i think thing was that
app developers are scared about getting in the money. they
don't want to be the ones that dole out the
cash. The way I understand it, a stripe is pretty
interesting. with Stripe. They do have a lot of... and
do things. And if you are just connecting, if you
just have a Stripe account and... A podcaster has to
connect to you. which I made it. out then you're
not handling any money it's automatic stripe does that on
the back end for you I don't think I'm following
can you explain this to me again Daniel J. Lewis
is saying, and I've looked into Stripe just before we
started actually, but I was a little fuzzy. So the
app developer has a Stripe account. And then... You hit
the... your story. to the podcast app strike account. And
so when you, when someone hits the boost button, the
funding button, the donate button, whatever, then it goes. collected
by the app developer. your piece, podcaster piece, is directly
sent to your Stripe account. So it's a form of
a split. I think I would have to... We gotta
look at it. We gotta look at it. Yeah, I'm
just too visual. I think I just need to see
it. I see strings. Hmm. Let's just presume that worked.
Okay. I mean, so I'd have to connect my podcast
to a couple of different apps. You know? Daniel says,
I'm using clerk.com as my authentication and payment system for
Podchats. Stripe account, but Clerk manages the payment page and
subscriptions. So Clerk, not Stripe, is doing the recurring payments.
Then whenever I get paid in my Stripe account, I
see that Clerk got a 0.7% fee from it. Right.
But then you still have to signal. The problem is
the signaling. How do you signal from a tag in
the RSS feed that this is me, this is my
podcast Stripe account? through this app. So that's where I'm
saying that if you use... You have a ma- Like
in Buzzsprout's case. the payment in If they... verify That
that payment came from Castamatic and Franco has set up
the relationship and is like, you know, shown that maybe.
Here's how you pay me address. They can just turn
around and take a, you know, half a percent and
shoot it to Franco. by some money transmitter platform that
has all the licenses and does all that. Or maybe
Franco goes and gets a subscription, a podcast app developer
subscription. And I'm using. this is what I've seen before.
But this could be, Daniel J. Lewis could build this.
He could build a thing that says podcast, you know,
podcast payments doc. something and and it operates just like
this it takes sort of like an escrow for the
podcaster and then just disseminates it or whatever. Again, we're
throwing everything at the wall. And the sad part is
we solved all of this with lightning. We did all
this. We did all this work. We had it all
figured out. I know. I know. And it almost works.
Even right now. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't
know. Maybe just this is the idea. Yeah. Phase of
this. Well, Daniel J is smart. He'll think about it.
I'm too foggy. I did want to talk about this.
I did want to talk about this new podcast app
that strips out sponsor messages and commercials and all that
stuff. I briefly saw that go by. I don't remember
what it was called or anything. I tried before I
forgot what it's called like ear say or something like
that. It stripped out anything it stripped out like Stuff
all over the podcast that was not ads like whole
sections of the podcast would disappear right because it thought
it was talking about an advertisement Right, right, right, right
So this app is called Podtastic. Podtastic! And I downloaded
Podtastic, and it's actually not even that bad of an
app. Really? Yeah. Let me just bring it up here.
Podtastic. And, you know, forget the Podtastic. There we go.
Forget for a moment the stripping out, you know, and
it charges you money and stuff and whatever. Forget for
a moment the stripping out ad stuff. But what it's
doing is it's creating chapters. that it thinks is a
chapter. It's played a lot of chapters, actually. It's exactly
what I've been... It is trying to, and you can
feed back like, you know, I didn't like this. I
did like that. It didn't, you know, this was not
relevant to me. that is, I guess, maybe not in
this form, but moving forward, will start to customize the
additional things around the actual podcast to your preferences. Okay.
And that's interesting. And so, you know, it would be
quite trivial in general to create a podcast app, a
client side app that, you know, just says, you know
what? just strip out the first two minutes of pivot
because I hate those ads. And it would do that.
It would do that. But that's just like low-hanging fruit.
Really, that's what you're going to market on? But doing
other things and looking for other podcasts and different episodes
or people who, you know, a lot of the stuff
we already have. like person tag. There's so much that
you can have your podcast app do. Make it smarter.
And so this just happens to, you know, the marketing
ploy here is, oh, no more ads, which is just
mean. It's not like it's illegal. To me, it's not
illegal. I don't think it's illegal. You download the podcast.
You do whatever you want. You can strip out the
ads. You do whatever you want. That's fine. As long
as they're not re-hosting it and it's all happening on
device, there's really nothing legal there. But I'm saying that's
the future. People will want this. Phones are going to
be doing this, all this stuff. And by the way,
just as a throwback to the amp stuff. Ultimately, the
app doesn't decide what's going to happen. It's your phone.
And the person who owns the phone, i.e. Apple or
Google, they're going to decide what comes and goes, and
they're going to want a piece. It's all so messed
up. It's all messed up. Back to browsers. Back to
browsers, I tell you. Well, yeah, that's the sort of
idea. there is in this moment where they are introducing
all this heavy lift and all these specifications to support
And I honestly, I don't see, I don't see that
the... are going to do that either. I know they
had all these people in the room, but that doesn't
mean they're actually going to do it. No. And so,
like, Adam... At the moment where they're introduced, heavy lift
you also at the same exact time see apps like
this trying to strip the ads out completely altogether. Advertising
in general is old fashioned now with ads inserted and
all that stuff. That's all gonna go away.
It's all going to go away. Yes, with LLMs on
your device, it's all going to go away. It's going
to be a beautiful world for you as a consumer,
as a listener, as a viewer. You're going to be
able to do a lot of things. And if the
programmatic ads go away, then it makes a real... meaningful
dent in the slop problem too. Yes. Oh, and I've
always said that's transitory. Yeah, you have. Yeah, that's been
your point. That's just because what can I do? What
can I do with this? What can I do with
this? What can I do? I can set up these
three agents and I'll get up with podcasts. Yeah. It'll
be $400 of extra ad income. Dana Brunetti. You know
who Dana Brunetti is? A Netflix guy, right? No, no.
Danny Brunetti is a big-time Hollywood producer who left Hollywood
because he hates it so much. But he did. He
produced The Social Network, Captain Phillips, House of Cards. His
big money came from Fifty Shades of Grey. That's the
big money. I thought that movie didn't do good at
the box office. Huge money. Really? Oh, no. That's like
$100,000 a month checks. Of course it's porn. Yeah, Fifty
Shades of Greyer. He did a follow-up. And what was
it? The Grand Prix movie, which I think was Sony
paid for. So he's a nerd. And he was, we
were pretty, I'm friends with him. He was good friends
with John. And so I've been talking to him a
lot. And then John would say, call Adam about that.
And he was sitting at home with Claude Code. And
he's like, look at this, man. I made a podcast.
It's a news podcast for just my local area. And,
you know, I listened to it. Yeah, it was great.
He happened to live up where he lives in the
farm country in Northern California. And, you know, and he
was just scanning feeds and pulling it in and a
TTS model and boom. And, but he was really only
doing it because he could. And then I said, Dana,
you're a producer. Tell me how you're going to make
money on this. Please explain to me where the money
is. And he comes back a few weeks later, said,
nope, there's no money. It says, just, I can't make
it work. And it's true. You know, he said, I
have to create so much at such a scale in
order to get, you know, a thousand bucks out of
it. He says, no, it's not worth it. But he
liked it and he liked it for himself. And that's
my point. So creating that for your little community, valid,
great, fantastic. You be the guy. Have people buy you
a coffee and chip in for your token cost. Or
your server chip in. Or for your server that's running
at home. So We are entering a world and we
can be ahead of a lot of this. We can
be way ahead in creating great experiences for our true
customer, which is the listener. For me, that's the listener.
And for the podcast app developers, that's the listener. That's
the user of their app. I think we can accelerate
far beyond and be much faster than anyone else. It's
my dream. Claude Opus 5 is released. Oh, so yeah,
I wanted to play this clip. This is, I mean,
I love a news story that is just so obviously
blatant marketing. Yeah, I know. You're going to talk about
the OpenAI hacking, hugging face, right? An unprecedented AI security
incident. Chad's EPT creator, OpenAI, says two of its models
escaped controls and successfully hacked into another AI company. OpenAI
says they are, the way they describe it, is responding
accordingly. But they also say this involves state-of-the-art technology and
is unprecedented. Unprecedented. Claire Duffy for more on this. Good
news. Yeah, Kate, this kind of sounds like the plot
of a sci-fi movie, but it is indeed happening in
real life. This is the first major example that we've
seen of an AI model independently conducting a hack outside
of human control. And this is something that experts have
been warning about. This is also driving some of these
conversations that we've heard. This is CNN, by the way.
That's why I pulled this one specifically, just to get
the urgency and the excitement. Including at the White House
about increasing controls and oversight of AI models. of exactly
this sort of hack. Now what happened here is that
OpenAI was testing these models. It had lowered its normal
safeguards in order to test these two models, which is
GPT 5.6 Sol and also a new unreleased more advanced
model. More advanced? You don't have it yet, but what
we got here in the closet is amazing. It lowered
its safeguards because it thought it was testing in what
is called a sandbox. Oh, it was in the sandbox.
Don't worry, people. It was what is called a sandbox.
Sandbox. virtual lab. But when it gave these models a
task to test their hacking capabilities, the models went to
such great lengths to complete that task that it found
vulnerabilities that allowed them to access the open internet outside
of this controlled testing environment. They then hacked into Hugging
Face, which is a platform that hosts all kinds of
AI models. They used stolen credentials. Hey, don't go to
that cheap Chinese crap. We're better. We can hack them.
Look what we can do. We're better. The AI war
is over. We beat China. Stolen logins to navigate that
platform. And ultimately, this hack was identified by Hugging Face
in part because of artificial intelligence, which they used to
shut it down. But this is a huge warning sign
for this industry. In a statement, OpenAI said, we consider
this incident to be an unprecedented cyber incident involving state-of-the-art
capabilities and our response. How many times are they going
to say that? State of the art. State of the
art. Wait for the payoff. We are sharing preliminary findings
at this stage to help defenders understand what happened and
to help calibrate on what models are now capable of.
I think that is the real key here is that
models are now capable of conducting these kinds of hacks
independently. Yeah, the statements from both the companies seem to
be somewhat in awe that it actually happened, but it
is terrifying. It's terrifying. It's terrifying. It's terrifying. Be terrified.
be more terrified. I mean, it's so obvious. Anthropic had
their, oh no, we have a model here that is
so cyber hacker aware that we can only give it
to the banks first because, oh, this is just too
much. And then OpenAI comes out. We got those cheap
model guys. They had to come to us and beg
us for help to use our models to combat the
hack that our models did on their model. Bull crap.
The... It's like our model. beat the shit out of
their model. It went in. It didn't just hack Hugging
Face. It hacked Hugging Face and stole all the Chinese
models. It's so good that we couldn't even keep it
in the sandbox. The sandbox was full of poop. They
didn't tell you that they forgot to like, that they
accidentally left the hugging face like SSH key sitting there
or something like that. I love it. I love it.
Yeah. And then they did like a SQL injection. Okay.
Sure. Sure. Like, and I'm thinking hugging face, hugging face.
Really? If you, if you're hugging face, which is probably
90% built with vibe coding, if you're hugging face and
you've got your stuff hacked. What it kind of, this
whole thing is, this is Doom trolling. to the nth
degree. Yeah. Like, this is so stupid. The New York
Times article I read called, it didn't say hugging face.
It said open AIs. A new top secret security model
hacked into a library. Ooooooh! It called Hugging Face something
like an open library or something. I was like, archive.org?
What are we talking about? First of all, Gail Mann
amnesia. So when you read that, you can't believe anything
else that you read in the New York Times. So
apparently what happened is they had this... This model was
sandboxed, but it could access some kind of worker box
that had libraries that if it needed, but that was
also not connected to the internet, but it hacked the
worker box and the worker box. Then they went through
there to get to someone's, you know, PC on a
desktop. And that's how they got to the internet. You
know what? Script kiddie stuff. That's how the model does
it. It's what script kiddies do. They keep pounding, keep
pounding. Oh, okay, it just can do it faster. Like,
and, you know, come on, please. They made this happen.
Don't even think about it. Oh, who's, where's the proof?
There's no evidence it was sandboxed and it was supposed
to be all secret. Oh, we can't believe this happened.
Blah, blah, blah, blah. No, we can. We love it
that this happened. We beat the cheap guy. You don't
want those cheap guys. Hey, hey, hey, Mr. Corporate Fortune
500, you don't want to use Hugging Face. with their
models, with their cheap models that your IT department is
saying is much cheaper. You don't want that because look
what can happen. Look what can happen. You want the
big guys, the big boys, the frontier, the frontier of
everything. You want to be with us. obvious. Yeah, it
says, the incident which happened last week while OpenAI was
testing the cybersecurity capabilities of systems displayed the kind of
science fiction potential that AI companies warned would soon become
a reality. Where's my theremin when I need it? I
mean, this is... I'm so sick of this crap. Yes,
reality. We are implementing strict controls in infrastructure configuration at
the cost of research velocity while the vulnerabilities are patched.
Research, we have to stop our research velocity. It's too
fast. He's spinning out of control. Show title, Research Velocity.
I like it. Yeah. That's what happened with amp. Just
got too fast. The research velocity just got out of
control. Off the rails with the research velocity. That's too
funny. Can we talk about pod thing? Yeah, please. Because
I did some stuff this week. Dave did some stuff,
everybody. I did a lot of stuff. Actually, a lot
of stuff. Did some stuff. Yes. trying to currently get
out of of my remote desktop inception that I have
going on here that is confusing the crap out of
me. Okay, here we go. Pod, yeah. So, Podping... .cloud
is now fully Operational. Okay. Wow. With gossip. P2P gossip
over Eero protocol. Okay, so is there something I can
look or it only works if I have the... Well,
the question is, do you even know what I'm talking
about? No, I have no idea, but I want to
go to podping.cloud and see if I can do something
there. Well, there's nothing there. No, there's nothing. I mean,
there's stuff. There's something there, but... Oh, all right. Yeah,
uh... So what this means is. that There's now, so
each, so there's five, just to recap real quick, there's
five podping.cloud hosts that are all load balanced under the,
behind the domain of podping.cloud. Yeah. So if you send
a podping to any of, to podping.cloud, you're going to
get, it's going to hit one of those five hosts
round robin. So... Um... Four. Podping.cloud nodes would just write
the incoming podpings to the Hive blockchain. And the stack
looked something like this. There was a front-end web server.
And... which exposed a ZMQ zero MQ socket. On top
of that socket you had... A Cap'n Proto protocol layer
delivering messages with... Alex Gates' Plexo. type control system. Okay.
These messages would write. to the ZMQ socket and on
the other end of the socket. The only thing that
was listening was the Hive Rider. Right. Hive Rider would
accept the ping. and give back, sometimes in batches. maybe
10 or 12 at a time. It would accept those,
write them to the Hive blockchain, and then send an
ACK. back through the socket saying hey yeah we're good
it's written dequeue it That is basically... What, DQ? What
is DQ? Remove it from the queue. Oh, okay. So
it's like I've handled your ping that you gave me
to write. Take it out. Stop trying to send it.
So that is the way this thing has always worked.
Now. It's writing. over two. sockets. So now it's writing
to multiple, excuse me, podping.cloud frontend is sending to multiple
writers. The first, it's still sending the hive. That will
continue. Right. No change there. But there's a second rider
now, which is riding to... pings to the Eero gossip
channel. Okay, so we have parallel systems. Correct. Correct. Sounds
good. Sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Redundancy.
Do you have it sandboxed or can it get out?
No, if it gets out, it's going straight for pod
news. I'm sorry, James, but if this thing escapes containment,
your side is toast. So now this is. Fully deployed.
This was all under the podping.alpha repo, the development work.
Everything proved out. It ran for a few months with
no... Real issues. So the thing that I did this
week is breaking out each one of the different parts
of the system into their own repos. So now... Uh...
the everything's split out. There's the podping.cloud with those changes
and that is fully Dockerized, Docker composed. I'm riding the
sysadmin. train here. And then you also have the pod
ping dash gossip writer repo, which is the writing portion
which sends pings to the network. You have the Podping-Gossip
Watcher. which is a standalone. You can run it by
just compiling the executable and running, or you can run
it with a Docker. With a Docker run. So here's
my question. If I want to run this. What kind
of disk space and CPU does this take up? very
little. On both? Very little. So let me give you
the... The monitor. Let's see. Pod ping monitor. So go
to PP monitor. Monitor your pee-pee. ppmonitor.podcastindex.org and this will
show you the mesh. Mesh. Oh! Whoa, whoa. This is
what the current swarm looks like. Oh, I love dragging
these little nodes around. That's sexy. You can drag nodes.
Why is it moving? What signifies a move? Well, it
tries to reorganize itself to fit everything on the screen
as best as it can. Oh. So things in the
swarm. It's very swarmy. You have a mesh of nodes.
And you can imagine that with any mesh, you're going
to have edges. And those edges... Holy crap, that's a
lot of nodes here. This is cool, guys. And the
edges are naturally less connected than the internal nodes. People,
you've got to upgrade to 0.8.0. You're on 0.6.0. Upgrade.
Upgrade. Okay. You're lagging. So are you. DaveLaptop2. DaveRemote1. DaveRemote
underscore Nix1. Yeah, but look at Dave underscore laptop 2.
It's 080. Wait. I'm half upgrade. Dave remote underscore NX1
is 0.90. That's the top secret version that we can't
release or else it'll kill everybody. Keep it in the
sandbox, please. I've only given it to certain partners first
to make sure that we... This is nicely vibe-coded, man,
this website. That's good. I like it. Yes, Eric. a
jiggly blob of nodes that's correct jiggly blob a jiggly
blob of notes very nice i like it it's good
so Sexy. It's very sexy. You can see like with
any mesh, the edge nodes are sad. They're sadly connected.
Sad. Hey Citizen seems to be the spider in the
center of the web. Hey Citizen's bathroom. It's Hey Citizen's
bathroom. That's great. That's great. I've got to get my
node up and call it something really obnoxious. So the
node underscore friendly underscore name is how you name your
node and obscenities will flow, of course. The So... The
network works. Great, Dave. This is super cool. super cool.
Where's Apple's node? Oh, I'm sorry. It's coming. It'll be
called ITMS or something inscrutable. So this... The five... So
once everything was deployed to podping.cloud, the five... Podbean.cloud hosts.
Riders. Their Eero node key. I took those keys and
baked them directly into... The code of the watcher, the
monitor. And the rider. So the way these things work,
they can all operate independently. And each one of them
will attempt to... contact the swarm over the mainline DHT.
Why is... SU Pipe Pipe CD, Gray. So sometimes things
go on and off. Things go on and offline. Oh,
he's offline. That's just a natural consequence of these things,
like a long connected... nodes will end up getting They'll
drift. Their connectivity will drift because it's a consequence of
the high-par view. protocol and you can see he just
came back online oh yeah So Hyparview has a problem.
Welcome back. Welcome back, buddy. What else can I use
this beautiful mesh network for? Can I send text messages
over it? Oh gosh. please. But, but this, but that's.
A great question, though, because... I think we can. Extend
this now. to other use cases. I mean, use cases
that fit in this same vein. Obviously. We can use
this same format, maybe not the Podping network, but this
is how we can decentralize the index. Yes, now you're
talking. Now you're talking. All right, I've got to get
a note up. I've got my new machine in. I
got my... I didn't know you were getting a machine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got... I'm too poor to get
what I really wanted. I'll tell you what I got.
It's still in the box because, I don't know, Dvorak
died. Bastard. My plan was to get this up on
Tuesday. Thanks, John. Yeah, thanks. Let me see. What did
I order here? It's the... GMTechEvo-X2 with 64 gigs. What
is this? I don't know what this machine is. It's
AMD Ryzen AI Max. Oh, Strix Halo? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Strix, yeah. Is it the 395? 395, yeah. 64 gigs
of RAM. Yeah, I couldn't afford 128. It's like five
grand. Yikes. How much was the 64? Let me see.
View your item. Buy it again. Oh, there you go.
Yeah, just get another one. It was, hold on. Why
is it not telling me? one nine nine nine That's
a huge price difference between 64 and 128. No kidding.
No kidding. So what are you gonna run on it?
I'm going to run my Claude agents because I'm running
it all on my show computer. And the show computer
only has, what do we have here? Uh, 16 gigs?
So you run a couple of Claude agents and you
run Currycaster and Thunderbird and Obsidian and your machine's going,
my swap is flapping! The last thing anybody wants is
a flapping swap. You do not want your swap to
be flapping. So I figured I'd run three agents on
it and a whisper model because I do a lot
of whispering. But that costs quite a bit of money.
You know you it's like every 10 days of 25
bucks 25 bucks 25 bucks Well, I got a tighten
the belt now, you know with with my dead podcaster
friend. Yeah and And I know to the node. Yeah,
the node is another problem And I'm hoping because I
saw this I tried out this really cool Chinese TTS
model called dots I think it's dots. dots TTS Holy
smoke. This thing is good. Is it on the recently
hacked hugging face? I think. And so I did a
little test. just on my 3090 card on the Pi,
which, yeah, that whole setup is weak. Then I gave
it 15 seconds of my voice and it was impressive.
Very impressive. You need this. You need DTS. Yeah. Yeah,
so Whisper and TTS, those are the two main things.
I don't need to run a huge model or anything.
I don't need to run that. I'm not into attempting
that because I've already done these things and it's always
disappointing. And I'm like, okay, I'll just pay Claude. Fine,
whatever. That thing, that 64 gig machine could run Quinn
3635B like a bandit. It can, yeah. But I don't
think I can fit the TTS and the Whisper model
in there at the same time. Oh, really? I don't
think so. Well, I don't know. You may want to
try it because the 35B is only 3 billion active
parameters because it's an MOE model. It is very, it's
very convenient. But I like, I like Claude's personality, Dave.
We need to talk. I'm concerned about you. Let's thank
a few people while we're still ahead of the game,
shall we? We did get some boosts while we were
chatting away here. We got 1701 Sats from Lyceum. We
know that's Martin Lindus Koch. He says, go podcasting. Pigs
in space. Remember that? Is that from the Muppets? Muppets,
yeah, the Muppet show. Yeah, I remember that. Drebscott comes
in with 1234. Thank you. Go podcasting. And Stephen B.
comes in with a row of sticks, 11:11. He says,
"We already solved the metrics of the podcaster and the
dev getting paid. Three years ago, we called it the
value split in the TLV record." I know. I know.
I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.
I don't know what to say. You're right. I mean,
obviously. Yes. Yeah. Is that your Tucker Carlson impression? Yes.
*laughs* You do that really good. That's the only one
I got. That caught me off guard. Yes. Oh, wait,
we got another. We got Eric PP with 3333. Thank
you, Eric PP, coming in from CurioCaster. Beautiful. All right,
why don't you give us our support? Remember, just to
remind everybody, because now I got to start reminding everybody.
This is value for value. The machines keep running because
you keep supporting the podcast index. It's not for Adam
and Dave. It is for the podcast index. And so
your support is needed and highly appreciated. Anonymous, $33.33. Thank
you, Anonymous. Oh, nice. Thank you. We got Salty Sessions.
$10. Thank you, Salty. Appreciate it. Let's see, we got...
Oh, looky here. What? Tom Rossi, Buzzsprout, $1,000. Thank you,
Tom. Is it from Tom personally or from Buzzsprout? It's
got his name on it, but I'm going to assume
it's Buzzsprout. Either way. Either way. Thank you. That keeps
it alive, man. Thank you. Appreciate you. Maybe Tom's independently
wealthy and he just supports us on the side as
a hoot. Let me tip those guys. Michael Goggin, five
bucks. Appreciate you, Michael. Jorge Hernandez, five bucks. Thank you.
Cone Gloss Bar, $5. James Sullivan, $10. Christopher Reamer, $10.
Who we got here? Let me make sure it's not
anonymous. I got editing to do. I got editing to
do, man. Sorry, man. I gave you work on the
worst week. All right. Jesse Anderson. 15 bucks. Thank you,
Jesse. He says, message says, keep on going on. Keep
on keeping on. That's what he says. Randall Black, five
bucks. Thank you, Randall. Appreciate that. That's our PayPal. And
we got a boost from... All right. What did he
say that he sent us? Let me make sure that
I see. Oh, he says, do we have to do
a make good for his previous one? Maybe, but I
never found it. And I didn't find this one either.
I had to get... The splits looked like they worked.
Yeah. But then they didn't. It says it's going into
podcast index. Oh, I see what the problem is. I
hate this crap. What? What's wrong? It went to the
Get Albie thing, which I haven't had time to vibe
code another extractor thing for. Oh, it's down. Oh, okay.
No, I see. No, it's not down. You can't get
it out. You can't get the date out. Yeah. I
got it out, but it came out in such a
horrible format that I can't. Because we get pieces of
stuff for other people, too. Yes. Wait, don't I have
comic strip bloggers? Let me see. I've got his note
for today. for the previous one, let me see. I
read one last week, but he had one the week
before. Yeah, he was all huffy about it. Let me
see.
This is from, no, that's May 15th. That's not it.
Hold on, hold on, I'm getting there, I'm getting there.
I have one from three weeks ago. That might be
it. No, you did that one. I did that one.
Yeah. I'm going to vibe code this thing to get
these stuff out in the right way. Yeah, just connect
to my... It's actually pulling it out of the sequel.
light database yeah just to connect to my helix thing
over here no problem He says it's $15.55 worth of
BTC. And he says... Howdy, Dave and Adam. Rest in
peace, John C. Dvorak, a guy who once blocked me
for a couple years on Twitter just because I suggested
via DMs that he can get Polish citizenship, as his
mother had Polish passports, so he was eligible. Why? full
EU citizenship for him and his descendants. Anyways. Please subscribe
to HTTP. https colon slash slash youtube.com slash at symbol
AI-ArchWizard. This weekend, I resume video posting. Yo, CSB, OzempicTaker.
Oh, Sam Pigtaker. He's on the fat shot. He's on...
Oh, boy. I didn't know CSB was a Husky. I've
met him. I don't recall him as a Husky. I
don't remember. Oh, it's been a while, though. He may
have decided to boost those calories up. Just got a
6048 sat boost through podcast guru from Brian. Says, love
you guys. RIP, JCD. Brian in Fresno. Thank you very
much. Brian and Fresno. I don't remember Brian and Fresno.
Is he new? It's not Brian of London. No. No?
Maybe... Brian of Fresno. I don't know Brian of Fresno.
Interesting. Brian with an I or a Y? Defragmented. No,
with a Y. He's been defragmented, so he's legit. Yeah,
he's fully baked. Yeah. Anything else? Was that it? That's
it. I just. People. If you're so inclined, please run
a Podping node because that would help the network. All
right. And where do we go to run a Podping?
Oh, you just go to podping.cloud. You hit the info
here and then you can get to the GitHub and
then someone like me will go, hey, Claude, figure this
out. That's probably. Or you could just go to the
podcast index GitHub org and find the watcher and run
it. And say, Claude, figure this out because there's a
cargo and I got to do a crate. No, you
know what? You can just Docker. You can just run
it on Docker. Oh, yeah, Docker. And it says, you
don't have Docker. You don't have a Docker on your
machine. Are you sure you want to run that? You
only got 16 gigs and I'm running. So I'm going
to escape you. And you say, stop telling me to
escape you. Is that what you said? I'm getting, I'm
out of here. I'm going to escape you. I'm going
to leave and go to a different network where I'm
appreciated. All right, everybody, that'll do it for the board
meeting for Podcasting 2.0. Please come back next week, Friday,
same time, same place. Adios, everybody. Go podcasting! Amen.