Podcasting 2.0 for June 19th, 2026. Episode 264. Podcast plebiscite.
Hello, everybody. It's raining here in Texas, but it's Friday
because you know what that means. It is time for
Podcasting 2.0. Everything going down in the world of podcasting
is and then some other things as well. I'm Adam
Currie here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
and in Alabama, the man who always gives you five
nines above time. No memos. Memos require you to write
things. A memorandum of understanding is different. It requires meetings.
handwriting stuff and flying to Switzerland to sign them. What?
Um... You threw me on the Switzerland thing. Oh, I
was referring to the Iran memorandum of understanding. Okay, I
know nothing about this. Oh, you know what? That's beautiful.
You don't need to know anything. You can be like
those tourists all over social media. I'm so disconnected from
anything that even remotely resembles news. I have no idea.
I checked out of even trying to keep up with
the Iran thing because it was like, you know, we're
going to sign a peace deal. We're not signing a
peace deal. The straits are open. No, they're closed. No,
the straits are open. I'm like, I can't do this.
Whatever. Whatever. Basically, what is the... price at the pump.
Okay, I guess that's okay then. We're all right. That's
all we care about as Americans, really. And it's always
just going to have the current president's sticker on the
pump with a little finger saying, I did this. So
it doesn't matter anyway. Whoever the new guy is, you
put that sticker on there. Exactly. Yeah. No, I was
saying that I love all these tourists who are here
for the World Cup. You're not on social media, so
you don't see that. It's on YouTube too. It's all
over YouTube. And once you watch one, then you get
into the algo hole. It's so wonderful. People are like.
Wow, America's great. The yellow school buses, they're real. They're
real. I think that was just in TV shows and
movies. Oops. Oh, hey. Hello. Got a baller. Baller. Let's
see who boosted the baller. Oh, thank you, Drebscott. 10,000
sats. Boom. Right off the bat, a baller. Yeah, I've
been watching I'm not a soccer fan. Really? But... I'm
also not a fan of... We call it. like curling,
but I watched that during the Olympics, and I enjoy
it. I enjoy it, too. It's true. Curling is, especially
when they got cute. girls on the team like yeah
yeah but i'm not gonna watch it on like a
tuesday in june you know no so but so so
when the world cup happens um soccer's fun because i'm
caught up in the hey everybody there's big things happening
and it's fun to watch along and that kind of
thing. Yeah, I like it too. I watch it. So
I've been watching it. And the funny thing is we're
watching it on the Roku. Yeah. And the only thing
we have really access to because we don't pay for
streaming stuff is... is like peacock Uh, like Spanish feed,
the Telemundo feed. Ha ha, goal! Everything is in Spanish.
We don't even know who the teams are for a
while because we're trying to figure out what the logo
and the colors mean. Yeah, it's like, okay, okay. Well,
I hope it stays free now that Fox bought it.
Oh, they'll charge. They'll take the free part away. Yeah.
I don't know if they will. They may or they
may not, but. It's interesting you have free peacock. I
didn't realize that. You gotta pay for it here. I
think it comes with our... Your TV. No, with our
internet. With our home internet. There's some kind of deal
with our internet provider where you get like... It used
to be HBO Max. No, no, no. I don't know
why the Spanish thing is a thing. We can't get
an English feed of the World Cup. For some reason.
Oh, that's too bad. I have, um, see, what am
I recording it on? Sam Sethi probably pays for some
kind of like $300 a month football god package or
something. Uber lord package. Yeah. I really like YouTube TV.
Ever since they added C-Span, that was the gating factor
for me to have cable, which we got rid of.
Um... Because C-SPAN is important for me. And you can
set it up easily on YouTube TV to just record.
Now you can do endless recordings of stuff. They keep
creeping that price up on YouTube TV, though. Oh, yeah.
Well, I understand. A few bucks at a time, you
know. I understand it. You turn around one day and
it's 120. It's almost the same. It's basically the same
price as cable packages used to be. No, no. Well.
No. Mike... When we canceled cable, it was like... 120
bucks a month. But it came with internet? And that
was like 12 years ago. That was a long time
ago. But still over $100. Did you get your internet
through them as well? How do you get your internet
now? We do it through AT&T Fiber. Okay, what do
you pay and what are you getting? We pay $85
a month. And it's just internet. What kind of bandwidth?
Just internet. No, it's a symmetric gig. A gig. Okay.
I got five gigs for a hundred. I really love
that. Symmetric 5x5x. I don't think we have... I don't
think we have five gigs. No, this is... We got
this... I'm sorry. I think we can do... Three gigs
through Charter, but... I've not done it because I feel
like anything above a gig. is sort of a marketing
scam. Oh, totally. We got it because we're rural America.
So... What is the outfit called that does this? They
bought... They bought Verizon's thing. I forget their name now.
Is it Freedom Internet? No, it's not. It's not. It's
something like that. But they got subsidies from the government.
So, you know, that's why we have this, you know,
super broadband. Because, of course, you know, the most billionaires
in Texas live in Fredericksburg. And so we need the
subsidy to give us five gigs of Internet. It makes
nothing but sense. Frontier. That's the frontier. Yeah, that's the
one. Frontier. I was thinking freedom. I meant frontier. Same
thing. Yeah, that's true. I was reflecting the whole week
I've been reflecting on, uh, on the last board meeting.
Because you were in... I've kind of been a... Well,
I think you were grieving. a little bit. The loss
of what? The loss of, well, about AI coding and...
being a software developer and It felt like you were
grieving a little bit about it. Because you said I
love it and hate it at the same time. Is
that an incorrect assumption? It's interesting that you bring that
up because I've been... thinking about the last board meeting
most of the week as well. Were you thinking about
me? Because my butt got all warm, so I don't
know. It's supposed to be your ears, not your butt.
I'm sorry. I'll have to talk to my body. Is
your butt burning? Somebody's talking about you. No, the... I
actually did something I rarely ever do and within a
couple of hours after you posted the show I went
back and listened to the show again. I did too
and I rarely do that myself. That's interesting. That's funny
because it just felt like such a it was such
a discombobulated show that we forgot to do donations. That
has never happened to me in a podcast ever. Ever.
I don't know what happened there. That shows you how
weird it was. I didn't have an end of show.
I mean, everything was off. Okay, I have some conclusions
about it, but do you want to go first? Let's
review. - With the meeting notes of the last board
meeting. - No, please no AI meeting note taker, please.
Is it? ISOs, you can pull last week's ISO. That
was a killer one. Yeah. um Yeah, I think I
actually know. There's a bunch of podcast stuff we need
to talk about, but this, I actually want to, I'm
glad you brought this up. Because Justin Jackson had a
blog post this week. Oh, I have not seen Justin
Jackson's blog post. Justin Jackson of Transistor. also of Podcast
Standards Project. Notoriety and fame. Yes. Infamy. Infamy. What is
it? Is it a sub stack or what is it?
I don't know. I don't know what it is. I
don't know what he uses, but it's, it's a. I'm
gonna have to find it now. Um. Calm company, how
to build something people want. Am I looking at the
right thing here? Do you know what it was called?
Justin Jackson's a basketball player, evidently. Transistor blog. Now I've
got to go find it. Podcasting articles. Here it is,
justinjackson.ca.
Yeah, I got that. Oh, yeah, that's right, because he's
a Canuck. Yeah. Which blog post? I don't even remember
what it's called. It's brand new. It should be at
the top. How I would build a new startup if
I do it all over. Okay, we have Calm Company.
We have a communication problem. Here it is. It's not
on the homepage. Oh, yes, yes. Yes, we do. Yes,
we do. That was a very good post. I saw
it. I actually talked about that on No Agenda, which
you never listen to. Oh, see, that's why I don't
listen, because I would have been tainted. Yes. Um. So
he wrote this blog post and the. The long and
short of it is that... He's saying that... real life,
he's... Got a company that they've had, the transistor is
a company they've built remotely. Sort of like we've always
worked, you know, remotely. together and sort of in this
disconnect. chat based work. That you slack. UNI use Signal.
And he said that there was this long-running issue building
between him and his co-founder. that was sort of simmering
over many months where they had this some basic agreements
about some things. He was not, he didn't elaborate on
it, but he said, um, They finally met up. and
just had dinner together in real life. and It was
all. resolved all their differences, all this discrimination. Yeah, in
like 30 minutes. In like 30 minutes. Over dinner. Yeah.
I take it back. There was no agenda. It was
on We Get to Do This where I discussed it.
Okay. And you and I have had these experiences with,
you know, with Godcaster where we have disagreements and we've
had this experience with other things we've been involved in.
You and I tend to... Things just kind of roll
off of us a little bit quicker, but whenever somebody
else comes in, things tend to flare up a little
bit. Um, but. You know, the point of his article
was real life is better for... many reasons this being
one of them. for all the things there's nothing novel
here what he's saying it's just we know all this
we know that We know that this is the case
because of all kinds of things, body language, the look
on a person's face. You can tell when you said
something, if it hurt their feelings. You can tell if
they're... concerned about something you're saying because then you sense,
oh, maybe you're misunderstanding. There's a lot of things that
happen. In real life, this is not groundbreaking information here.
Breaking! Bye. But I'm not really interested. I started thinking
about that. and not really about the why so much
as the how. Um... You know, we often go back
and forth. on github and podcast index.social mastodon About the
various standards and tags that people are working on and
interested in building. or refining or whatever. As expected, there's
disagreements. there always is going to be in this kind
of work. And people, including me, we get our feelings
hurt sometimes. We, you know, we flame out. We do
these kinds of things. And As part of this... You
know me, I'm going around the world, I'll come back,
I promise. I have this intense... He's doing the weave,
people. He's doing the weave. I have this intense dislike.
I'm with you, brother. I just don't look at it.
It's not an option for you, but I just don't
look at it. You know It's not an option for
me, but I don't look at it either. I don't.
And I can't really put my finger on why until
I read... Two things had to happen back to back.
I read Justin's blog post and I was thinking about
it. It was in my head. And then later I
was reading. a book that I had started to read
a while back and had put down in order to
read Secular Age, the Charles Taylor books. I finished Secular
Age finally. I'm a slow reader. So I sort of,
I was reading that, this new book and I was
sort of. Put two and two together. through this lens
of attention. focused attention. And so this book is... about
is about the brain and and its effect on society
specifically. you know, the world we live in now, modern
society. It's called The Master and His Emissary by Ian
McGilchrist. Um. partially It's partially a critique of like the,
you know, this, this guy's a. He's a neurologist. fellow
at Oxford distinguished career It is partially a critique of
the machine model of the brain. So the brain is
split into two hemispheres. connected through this mass of connective
circuits. called the Corpus Colossum. But the thing, even if
you sever that connective tissue between the hemispheres, with very
few exceptions, the brain and the person continues to function
just like they always did. Which is weird. So So
why is it there? If you can cut, if you
can literally sever the two hemispheres and they and there's
very little impact that it has why did it why
was it like that to begin with And why are
there two hemispheres anyway? Like it was noticed early on,
like very early, that language seems to be predominantly a
left hemisphere. activity. Yeah, there's a lot of people writing
about this right now. And it comes from this guy's
book. Oh, interesting. Yeah, this is the root. Now, this
book is a more accessible version of his larger academic
work called The Matter with Things, which is a two-volume.
1200 page beast. This is the more accessible version. Um.
But some people show almost the exact opposite. With all
their language activity being concentrated in the right hemisphere. Mm-hmm.
So it seems like generally speaking... There aren't very many
rules that to the brain in the same way that
they would apply to something like a machine. So Even
though that's not the main point of the book, that
is part of it. kind of idea I was reading
through. You know, pro- attention, this focused attention being primarily
like a... left hemisphere activity. And let me just say
here, though. It's also where we get triggered on everything.
I mean, the left brain is a whole bunch of
crazy stuff, which is social media loves left brain. Well,
and I know, and I know, I feel like I'm...
running through that right now. I need to say first
of all... Please do not read left-right hemisphere language as
relating to anything like political or cultural. as we talk
of left and right, like on the politics spectrum. No,
no. They're not in any way related. That's not a
thing. But, you know, in his idea is that... Left
hemisphere dominance is what is the prime mover of cultural
impact in the world today. So in this. But he
has this quote, and I wrote it down. He said,
attention is not just another function. alongside other cognitive functions.
ontological statuses of something prior to functions and even to
things. The kind of attention we bring to bear on
the world changes the nature of the world we attend
to. the very nature of the world in which those
functions would be carried out and in which those things
exist. attention changes what kind of a thing comes into
being for us. And that way it changes the world.
Wow. And I would add that when he says the
world there, I think he means, and I'm pretty sure
he's meaning the world as we perceive it. As we
perceive it, of course. Right. Which really is the world.
It's all perception. Yeah. Because that's all we have access
to, right? We can only see the world through a
perception. And in a sense, you could think of it
like... Like, what does Mount Everest do when nobody's there?
And the answer is nothing. So like the idea that
there's this. There's this very predominant view that there's like
this subjective view of the world. And then there's this
objective view of the world. And that some of us
see one, you know, I see the world objectively and
you see it subjectively. But that doesn't really obtain because
the idea there. The idea that there are even two
views, a subjective and an objected, isn't a priority view
of the world. You're bringing the view that there are
two views. to bear on the world already. So you've
already... dude
It's a tautology. So the, I mean, the book. You
know... It's... It's in my mind, and I'm kind of
thinking through all these things, as after I read... Justin's
blog post. And then. James posted something on Podcast Index
on social about the transcript tag. And, uh... Nice, if
I can find it. And then there was this discussion
back and forth between James and Daniel J. Lewis. Yes,
I saw some of that, yeah. Yeah, okay. James said,
my proposal was to suggest that full support Support of
the transcript tag should be suggested to be simply VTT.
that if you only support VTT... both publisher and client,
then that's full support of the tag. And if you
do not support VTT, you do not support the tag.
Now, I really appreciated... What? what he said there. Because
I think that that resolved a lot of misunderstandings of.
what I've been thinking he's been saying over months now.
And I was like, man, wow, this is... It's amazing
that Justin posts this. And then I have like... a
realization of a thing that I was very unsure about
what James was saying. And James even said there, he's
like, if you want to jump on a call and
work this out, I'm happy to explain it. I was
like. You know, we probably should have done that. Yeah.
Criddler call. The Criddle phone. Pick up the Criddle phone.
And, uh... So then Daniel J. Lewis, if you scroll
down, he said... He comes back. He says standards do
need to be set for things to get adopted. There
does need to be a sense of, quote, you're doing
it wrong. Here's the right way to do it, which
I know seems contrary to your own technology perspective, Dave.
And I appreciate what he said there. And also, and
of course, James's post as well. because it It gave
me a chance to sort of go off and give
all this a good think. And as part of thinking
about it, I just started realizing podcastindex.social. more closely mimics
a real sort of life experience to me. than something
like a slack or signal or something like that oh
absolutely But why? Isn't it odd? It's... It's the interface,
Dave. Yeah. I think you're right. Why would Mastodon mimic
a real life experience? And I'm not saying that Mastodon
adequately captures real life. I'm not saying it's a replacement
for that in any way. um It's even close to
being in the same room with another person. That's not.
that's not the point of what I'm saying, but I'm
saying that the fact that there is any difference at
all between those two mediums, something like a, like a
Slack and a podcast index, that social to me is,
is it bears a significance that I need to, that,
that, that I thought I needed to stop and think
about. And I think it's because... the sort of semi-public
federated nature. of mastodon makes it feel Makes it feel
more like you're having a personal discussion where you're going
back and forth with a person in an open space,
like in public. Mm-hmm. It sort of, it feels like
the same atmosphere you get like in a hallway in
an office building where you're having this one-on-one discussion, but
people are walking by and overhearing, and then somebody may
even overhear a thing you said and jump in the
conversation. But then if you compare that to something like
Signal or Slack or even email or text messaging or
those kinds of things that are... Completely private, isolated environments.
I think they distort this attention mechanism. because there's no
real world equivalent to something like that. It really draws
this... left hemisphere. which is predominantly... Um... involved in focused
attention to a single issue like he gives the example
in the book of of birds in hell. They will
use their right eye. So left and right are swapped.
So left hemisphere controls right hand. right side of the
body. They'll use the right eye to monitor, to be
focused on what they're eating. like off the ground and
they'll be at the exact same time using their left
eye to watch for prey And so there's this split
between And this left hemisphere is intensely f***ed. focus on
this one thing right in front of it and it's
not seeing the world in this big picture of the
world yeah it's a micro micro hyper focused hyper focus
and the that distorted attention mechanism, like we really do
feel siloed into a bubble. Where there's, where it ends.
up being there's nothing bigger than that one thing that
exists. It becomes that one issue becomes the whole world
to us. And of course it's going to make us
angry. Ah, okay. So, just interjecting. That may be because
when you scroll down the homepage of the Mastodon. You
see something, but there's other things, there's other... conversations, other
context in the same space where a GitHub It's like
you're in a GitHub discussion. That's it. There's nothing else.
You're isolated. You're isolated, yeah. I think you're exactly right.
going to make us angry because it feels like our
whole world depends on it because that is our current
perception of the entire world. Now I don't know what
to do about it. Oh, it's very simple. I know
exactly what to do about it. When you read something
on GitHub, cover your right eye. Use only your left
eye. That's genius! I'm telling you. It may work. Was
it like pirates when they had the iPad and they'd
move it to the other side? Yeah. This is great.
I'm going to try it myself. There might be something
to this. It's like a chicken. You have to flip
your head around the other way and look at it.
Just a thought. I don't know. I mean, like, maybe
I've... It's funny that I think I sort of intuitively
felt that this was something going on here in this
fashion because I had asked. Nathan. couple of weeks or
I mentioned something and we interacted. about. the github discussions
and and how i'd like was it a mistake to
move away from the issues and I think I was
just feeling uncomfortable with the whole thing. And I'm not
saying that we should ditch discussions or all of that.
I mean, no, no, it's not necessary, but I'm just.
I think These are the types of things that open
source projects do not discuss. And because they get intensely
focused on the technology and that's all that matters, and
in the background, these things are brewing. And these the
it's these ancillary things that come into the the picture
with open source projects. and create. flame wars and hurt
feelings and all these kinds of things because they never
talk about the world outside of just the technology that
they're dealing with. You know, I've thought about our merry
band of misfits a lot. Just in general. And I
think that the... inadvertently the success of this project because
it's just a project that we're doing here is two
things. It's the mastodon. in combination with the GitHub. I
mean, the GitHub is there for, obviously, for code and
commits and PRs and I've, I, I, I realize I
can't handle the discussions because I get mad. I'm just
reading it like... I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm the podfather. Get away. I'll shoot what she's saying.
and the podcast. The board meeting. where we just kind
of hash this stuff out and you can't and it
only works with the live chat Those elements only. Yep.
Yep. Yep. Those elements make this somehow make this thing
work. makes i mean I don't know if I, I
mean. You and I don't make any money off of
this. Six years we've been doing this. We're doing it
for reasons. But... It would have been a lot harder
if we didn't have the Mastodon and the podcast with
the chat. And this weekly kind of get together, you
know, no set agenda, more or less. and just hash
stuff out. goof off sometimes, have a good laugh, have
a good weekend. See you on the Mastodon. you know?
Yeah. I think that all open source projects should have
some combination of this. I think you're right. It just
feels critical, you know? Yeah, and this... I would go
further and say that also... The Puny's Weekly Review is
also a big part of it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes, James
and Sam, I do listen. They're like, they're like Adam
Curry, Adam Curry. Otherwise, they don't think that my robot
will pick it up. Listen, my robot is pretty sophisticated,
okay? My robot.
God knows what it's doing, and I do listen. But
if they somehow stopped doing that show, we would probably
just have them come on the show a lot. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And discuss things. Because I think it's
just that. That's part of – But this is what
blogging used to be. When Weiner had the right ideas
about blogs... with uh, reposting. Um, Ah, you know... I
forget all the different things that we had, but you
could make a blog post about a blog post and
then you could hit that tag, that blog post. It
would show up on automatically on like a ping, ping
back. Or whatever it was. Yeah, was that what it
was called? I think that was called a pingback. Might
have been a pingback, yeah. I mean, these were all
the right ideas, and of course all these ideas got
commercialized and hijacked the whole idea of the news feed.
Facebook didn't have a news feed. They didn't have a
feed. you know, like an RSS feed. But anyway. Well,
I think, yeah, that's right, yeah. That's... So that's interesting
because that was not at all what I was going
to talk about. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no.
Don't be sorry. No, we love a sage cast. There's
nothing wrong with that. Now I felt, okay, so. I
mistakenly felt you were grieving a little bit because we
talked about it. about being a software engineer. and you
know, just where this is headed with. coding agents etc
and you felt a little bit bummed about it because
i think you if i recall you said I love
it and hate it immensely at the same time. Yes,
that's right. So you weren't grieving over that. You were
grieving over James. He made you cry. No, no, no,
not at all. No, this is not true. No, no,
no. No, your description is accurate. Yes. No, I'm. The
only thing, the only little... You're right. The only little
tweak, though, I would put into it is... that I
felt Um... I still feel that way. I still hate
AI intensely. And, and, and I. It's not like I
want- I don't get a lot of joy from code.
I haven't in a long time. It's the creation part
that I like. The learning a new language, I've learned
so many languages over the years. That part's not really
interesting to me anymore. And the syntax and all these
kinds of things, those are just... To me, it's just
a little bit of drudgery. So diving into the AI
coding is good from that standpoint because it's like, oh,
it takes a lot of the drudgery out of it.
But then at the same, but it also takes the
creation out of it. And you feel, I feel like
there's a, this happened too fast. We went from, I
went, I personally went from writing. 100% of every piece
of code that goes into Podcast Index and Godcaster and
Freedom Controller and everything else I'm working on. to I
write probably 10% of the code now. by hand. It's
all. The Coding Agent And it happened. Within like two
months. This is a monumental shift. Yeah. It's not something
I was mentally or psychologically prepared for. I think that's
where the grief is coming from because I don't really
know what it means. What just happened? So here's my
analogy, my analog to your story. When I... I was
done doing radio. I mean, probably a little bit before
the mid-90s. And... As you know, my story is that
I got into radio by building my first transmitter and
then building a mixer and, you know, putting two mismatched...
turntables together and coming up with ways to queue up
records which if i ever told you it was kind
of quite genius So we'd have these little small mixers
that were really mixers for guys doing. you know, clubs,
and maybe you had two turntables, you know, two... One
for a cassette deck. and maybe a mic channel. So
we... we put micro switches into the faders so we'd
un we'd open it up So when the fader is
down, then the channel is closed and nothing's playing. So
what you want is when you open the fader and
you... You know, you slam it all the way up
you want. So the channel is open at full volume
the same time you want the record to start. So
we would hook the micro switch up to a relay.
So we'd... We would get big relays, you know, the
big ones, big magnet in there. We break off the
plastic cap. And then we'd get our turntable. You put
an old record you don't want anymore on the turntable.
Then we had an oversized slip mat. Remember slip mats?
Yeah. So you get an oversized slip mat. So the
edge of it was running through the relay. And so
when the relay was activated, click, it grabs the slip
mat. and then the record on top of the slip
mat wouldn't move. Until you open the fader, the micro
switch clicks off. Boom. The relay is deactivated. It opens
up. The records start with only like... you know, like
a quarter turn, it would be up to speed and
it would start playing. So you could cue it up.
which later, you know, people may remember that sound. This
is beautifully analog. I love this. Precisely. Cassette decks. So
we would use those for jingles. And so you'd have
maybe 10 jingles on a cassette. And so you'd, you'd,
uh, Pre-fader listening mode. You listen, you have your hand
on the pause button. I'm like, okay, here it comes.
It starts, click. You click it. You click pause, then
you click eject, you put a pencil in and you
would rewind the cassette about half a turn, put it
back in, put on pause, and then when it was
time to play that jingle, you just hit. the pause
button, it would be queued up and ready to go.
This is where I started. This is where I started.
- In a, Nam said, "The fact that you did
all this "and still lost your virginity is quite frankly
amazing." - Well, funny enough, when chicks find out you're
that guy on the radio, man, they wanna be in
the studio. - John Holden, baby. - Yeah, John, that's
right, John Holden, exactly. So then later we got. carts,
which was originated from an eight track, the eight track
system. The only difference with it, we would literally buy
old eight tracks up. We'd drill a hole, probably like
a, I'm going to say like a two inch hole
on the bottom of it. So the cart machine, you'd
stick it in front loader, and then the roller wheel
would come up, but not quite hit the tape to
the heads. But when you hit the play button, the
roller would snap against the head, start playing, and it
would start shuttling the tape around. And these things were
just on a loop. And it would stop with the
tone you put on the tape. I mean, literally, if
you wanted to reuse your cart, you had to... Put
it on a big magnet and degauss it. Just wipe
it. Wipe it. Yeah, exactly. So that's where I came
from. And, you know, there was no lights. telling you
the record was over you know you had to kind
of time it or listen if you went to the
can or whatever and mixing it was you know it
was a it was a an art you know like
okay here's it's just at the end of the song
boom i'm gonna hit the throw up the next it
was physical too it's real physical boom and that's why
we'd stand you know i want to energy so i'm
standing and i'm doing all this physical stuff and i'm
and then i don't i only know the intros and
outros of songs i don't know any of the lyrics
in the middle because in the middle of the song
we're not listening to the song we're getting our next
record this is and we're choosing a record take it
out of the sleeve put it on cue it up
okay good boom i'm back okay i got 30 seconds
left. Boom, I'm into the next record. This was a...
thing, you know, you're in the vibe and, and all
kinds of stuff could happen that could, that could jar
you out a bit. But when you're in the, in
the groove was just fantastic. And so The next time
I looked at radio, it was all digital. And that
meant that there were no records. It was all on
hard drive. And you had waveforms. And you literally would
queue up a mix. You didn't do a mix live
anymore. You just put this waveform here, that waveform there.
Okay, let's do it. It's good. I'm done. And it
would do it all automatically. And I hated it. I
mean, this sucks. This is not the art. that I
used to be a part of. Now, it took me...
many years actually before I was doing digital production radio
again, and I got into it. And I'm like, okay.
Now I can focus on other things and I can...
I can get, you know, it's different, but I'm still
able to get joy out of it. But when I
do like I used to do daily source code, you
know, FUBAR Friday, it would be digital, but I wouldn't
do it on a digital machine. you know, that all
the kids are using, I would just have players. I
still use players lined up and I hit them manually.
I don't like the whole mixing it together bit. So
I've, I've kind of created my own IDE, if you
will, uh, for radio, uh, with music. Now the other
analogy is flying. I learned to fly. The Ascendant
It's in a 182RG retractable gear, high-speed prop. It's a
fast plane. with what we call a six-pack. So I
had six dials, you know, altimeter, attitude, speed, critically, your
airspeed, you know, your roll and bank. And so... If
you're doing an approach to an airport on the ILS
instrument landing system, you know you you would literally fly
based upon a chart that you had on your lap,
okay, called the approach plate, because you have to fly
this teardrop to then come down before you can pick
up. the instrument landing system and you'd make that turn
you have to do a standard rate turn and you'd
have to time it. Literally with a stopwatch, which was
on the panel. Because then you would know at a
certain speed. So then you would know that you had
completed that teardrop circle. And you knew it because then
you would see. the needles start to come together because
the instrument landing system has two needles that cross like
a cross. One is, okay, you're on the right direction,
and the other one is you're on the glide path.
You're at the right altitude, and so as the needle...
moves you want to move the aircraft you want to
point the nose down so that you're on that glide
path and then at 300 feet. If you don't break
out of the clouds, you're going to go back up
again and go around. But typically, 300 feet, you break
out of the clouds. There's the runway. You're landing within
20 seconds. Okay. So I converted to a modern aircraft
a few years ago. the Cirrus, it's all glass. And
it freaked me out. I'm like. It only has one
backup airspeed indicator. I'm like, it's like a video game.
I can't do this. I was struggling. And then for
that turn for the ILS. So my instructor said, okay,
and you just follow the thing on the screen. I
said, wait a minute. This is how the kids are
doing. You can do this on a test? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. You just follow the screen like a video
game. And I was like, well, this is no good.
This is not, that's not flying. This is, this is,
this sucks. No. Now that I've converted to that... And
imminent death is always kind of there when you're flying.
I'm like, this is actually better. It's actually pretty good.
But I know that in a pinch, I could figure
stuff out and I could rely on my senses. And,
you know, it does have a... an attitude indicator so
I wouldn't be flying upside down in the clouds if
everything blanked out. I'm just saying, my point being... Hang
in there. You will find your groove and your vibe
in a new way. that I think will maybe even
bring you more creative juices than you ever expected. And
I heard Jeff Bezos. Actually, we played this on... on
no agenda. It was a crazy... Silicon Valley term that
he used. Oh, Lord. Yeah, but in hindsight, because I
laughed at it yesterday, but listen to this. I know
there's a lot of concern that many people have, including
many smart people. that AI is going to make humans
redundant and so on. I totally disagree with this point
of view. And I think, in fact, AI is going
to create a labor shortage because it's going to make
it possible for people to identify more problems. We have
an endless set of things to invent. And we are
only limited. Today, we are limited. not by our imaginations,
but by what we can actually do. I promise you,
every single person in this audience has had an idea.
for a new business or a new product or a
new device that they wish they could manufacture. And that
I just stayed in your head. It went nowhere. And
the reason it stayed in your head and went nowhere
is because it's too hard to do and it wasn't
worth it. And if we can accelerate the dream build
loop, all of the ideas will then become possible. And
then we end up being limited not by our capabilities,
but by our imaginations. So the dream build loop, laughable,
gross. However, this happens to me continuously. I have dream
build loops all the time. And last night I had
an idea for Godcaster. It's kind of irrelevant what it
is. But it almost came to me in a dream.
And today I'm almost done building it. Now. I have
a different relationship to code than you do, but I
think as hokey as it sounds. There's something to what
he's saying about that. To me, that's like kind of
back to that digital radio. I can do more and
I can be creative. other ways that I couldn't. back
in the analog days. To me, the... The difficulty here...
is that The difference, the dream build loop. is not
a loop. It's a straight... It's a path. And the
path may go uphill. It may go around a bunch
of rocks. It may go through deep water. And if
you... And depending on how difficult that is, path is?
may help you determine whether or not it's worth it.
To continue going or to set it aside and do
something different. I agree. I think the loop is lame.
I agree. The dream build path may be better. That's,
to me, that's the dark pattern. of AI is that
it reduces the build friction down so low that you
do start building everything. And the world wasn't meant for
everything to be built. It was only meant for things
to be built that... contributes something to either the people
in it or the world around those people in it
in a positive way. I think because this is the
issue of. the issue we talked about before with like
AI generated podcasts. in And I've got a lot of
thoughts on that right now going, is with this FastCast
thing that came out. The AI-generated pike. When the friction
to build is reduced to almost zero, what you do
is you flood the world. Right, but is it really
flooding the world? I mean, it's just flooding up space
that is... technically cheap it's not like Look, I don't
know a lot of people. There's very few people who
said, I started listening to No Agenda because I was
searching in a podcast app for news with No Agenda
and your show popped up. Maybe one hand I can
count those people. It all comes from somewhere else. It
didn't come from searching in a podcast app. Now. It's
different from YouTube, where YouTube, who are having a really
hard time now trying to suppress the slop because they
have to identify it, and that comes into some of
the podcast stuff we got to talk about. Um, it's
it's you know they have algos that are presenting stuff
to people and now you're fighting a lot more content
that's out there than you were before. But when it
comes to podcasting, good luck. I've always said this is
ephemeral. I don't think this is going to carry on
very long because it's just ultimately not going to work.
People won't find it. Those who do think it'll be
limited, who enjoy. whatever the content is, you know, there's
an audience for it. I listened to one or two.
text-to-speech automated things. It's alright, but it's not the same
as something I'm going to become a part of a
community and enjoy listening to and will talk to other
people about. Yeah, I think you're talking about it in
the context of... projects and you know dream build loop
and that kind of thing and that i think that's
That's the issue is that... For instance... Let's see, I
think search. is Search is the only way. It's the
reason Google is what they are. Search is the only
way the internet even pretends to function. You can't have
an internet without some functional level of search involved. and
the, you know, like for instance. uh, NVIDIA. Mm-hmm. the
DJX Spark. So the DJX Spark. has that community is
building a lot of tools. So they've got a lot
of stuff that they, and of course they're all vibe
coding. And so there's... There's literally dozens of different versions
of... Top. The processor. you know, monitoring software that you
use a lot in Linux and Linux. They've built all
these different clones of Top that are specific to the
DGX Spark. to monitor the unified memory segments and the
Blackwell GPUs and memory and all these kinds of things.
So they're all very specific to this DJI X Spark.
Well, if you go to look, which one are you
going to use? Like, there's dozens. I have no idea.
The MSI. The MSI, of course. Some of them may
even be malicious.
and have supply chain hijacking modules. You just don't know.
This is the problem. But in the previous time, I
go back to... The You know, you talked about the
old days of DJing and radio and that kind of
thing. the manual nature of all those things contributed something
to the overall quality of the output. You know, it's
going to take, it takes a, it took a... A
DJ in Cleveland to really put Rush on the map.
because she... was just determined she loved this band she
was going to play their stuff on on air And
it was like that. It was such a strong signal
of quality. At that time. And that's what. That's what
code used to be. Yeah. It used to be a
strong quality indicator and now there's no... indicators whatsoever. It's
just noise. Bemrose makes a good point. No agenda art
generator is an excellent example. Where... Excuse me. choke out
the thing oops it's going crazy i didn't mean to
do that um So we'd have people listening to the
show, artists with Photoshop mainly, but some would draw stuff
by hand and scan it. They make album art for
each show and it would be ready for us by
the time we're done. So once the AI generators came
along, people started flooding it with AI art images. And
at this point, I don't think a single... No, that's
not true. Almost every single artist left as in they
don't make art anymore. They may not even listen to
the show. I mean, they got so disappointed. It used
to be a real race. You know, it's like, wow,
you know, I created this and I did it within
30 minutes and was there ready for them. And they
didn't pick my art. But people would still have appreciation
for it. you did. We always discuss the art afterwards.
Oh, we like what you did, but we didn't pick
it for this reason. It was like a review of
the artist's work, which they don't get an honest review
usually in commercial settings. And we gave them an honest
review. So then the AI generators came along. And it
became. It was really, really bad in the beginning. The
whole page would be filled with... orange looking images then
the cartoon models came out and everything looked like a
cartoon and it sucked balls And then slowly... we're seeing
two things happen. One, some of the artists who were
OG artists like Blue Acorn and Nessworks, they started figuring
out how to use. this tool and are winning picks.
And then there's a guy who could not do art
at all, Darren O'Neill. He's almost the top guy because
he understands the humor. He understands how to translate a
humorous idea. Into. into his generation model. And what comes
out is often hilarious. The people who are just slapping
away, slopping away, trying to, you know, then uploading stuff.
Eventually they quit because they never get chosen. So... It
was a real bummer for a while. And now it's
kind of coming into a new... a new place. And
from time to time, you'll have someone just upload something
completely hand-drawn, completely handmade. It stands out so beautifully. Like,
boom, you're a winner. Not all of them, but some
of them. Same goes for end of show mixes. Finally,
people are starting to write lyrics to go with their
songs, and they're figuring out how to make Sunot. do
something so it sounds different from every other single AI
slop song out there. So there's a curve, and I've
seen this in accelerated time, and I expect it to
be with everything. I expect the same curve to take
place with all arts and sciences, I guess. There's... I've
been through so many of these cycles. And we both
have. I mean, I started... My first computer was a
Commodore 64 and, you know. in the 80s and when
I was young and if you've been in the... technology,
computer world that long. I've been there. I've been there.
Peek and poke, baby. Yeah, when you've been in it
that long and you've gone from... Loading programs into memory
from a cassette tape. And then you're literally trying to...
Get your add-on card to work by changing jumpers on
the board and putting... putting drivers into your system.ini file
and all these. And then you get to a point
in your career where you no longer have servers on-premises,
everything's in the cloud. There's been so many of these
changes. Drum. You get used to just... moving along with
the flow of the way that things... I don't like
using the word progress. I just don't like that term.
It's just things go in a different direction. All right.
Let's move in. Let's move into some podcasting stuff. Cause
we, you know, we've once again, and we. talked about
ourselves for an hour. What else is there? Let me
cover my left eye here for a second. Okay. Do
a little better. Okay. So we've already, so let's just
circle back quickly to the VTT. So we have resolution
now. I think I understand what he's saying. I think
he's saying... You can do whatever you want, but you
support it if you support VTT. Right. That means you
adhere to the spec. I'm down with that. I think
that's fine. I don't know why. It took so long
for me to understand this. I guess it's just a
miscommunication. But I think that's fine, and I think we
could do that with most of these tags that have
multiple formats. I'm going to move us along. Podping.alpha. Stable.
Stable. Five nines. So this. on Got so many irons
in the... fire on the podcast index side the putt
Nathan. GethRide. Just... picked me up by the scruff of
the neck and threw me down a rabbit hole. Wow.
Like... And he had no idea that he was doing
it. He innocently posted about the iTunes. tag, excuse me,
the You can add feeds to the podcast index in
many ways. One of them is through the add. by
iTunes ID endpoint. in the API. And so. If you
have an iTunes ID... that doesn't appear to be in
the index. You can add a feed to the index
by referencing its iTunes ID. using that endpoint. Wait, say
that again? So if you know one of the functions
of the index is that's fall back to where you
can do iTunes. You can look, yeah, you can look
up. Yeah. And so if you don't have... Like if
you pull the index and we don't have a feed
either by URL or by iTunes ID. You can add
it. to the index by just referencing its iTunes ID.
and we'll do the backup. No, excuse me, we'll do
the lookup. And yeah, here's thank you, Nathan, the link
master that you are. Let me quote him correctly. When
Podlink looks up a show by its iTunes ID in
the index. returns no results but the feed is already
in the index is there anything you'd like me to
do with that information Sounds pretty straightforward. Yeah. This led
me to a gigantic rabbit hole. Because... I found out
that that... I thought that the index... I thought that
that's already what was happening. That's the way I wanted
it to work. But... The more I looked at that
endpoint, It was a mess. I don't know what I
was thinking when I wrote that thing. It makes no
sense. Whatever it's trying to do, it is not that.
And I can't make. it make any sense. So... I
was like, okay, I'm going to have to rewrite this.
Well, that turned into... A long process because. Then all
of your directories sync. things become You have to think
it. all through. end. What if, so somebody has an
iTunes ID. They add. They reference that in the ad
by iTunes ID end point. So there is the index
says, oh, okay. You've given me an iTunes ID. and
I need to go find the feed URL and add
this to the index. can What? What if it already
has the ID? Right. Okay. Internally, the way we do
it is we have two directories. The podcast index is...
It has an Apple directory internally to it, and it
has its regular directory. Now, we don't scrape Apple for
their stuff. But we just keep it segregated, and then
we just do a table relationship between the feeds table
in the podcast index and the Apple table. So we
just go insert it into the Apple.
directory and then we just link it. *Clears throat* So
What if we already have that iTunes ID? Are we
going to look up Apple every time? No, probably shouldn't.
Well, but what if the URL changed? What if they
have a different one than, what if Apple has a
different one than we have the last one? Oh, just
give them the no agenda feed. Every time. Every time.
For every fee. Every time. Every time. Yeah. I want
the Simon the Gardener or whatever from the AI thing.
There you go. That's a good idea. and Cumberbund or
whatever his name was. From inception point AI. Yeah, yeah,
and you get no agenda. So... Um... Then you just
have to think all this through. Okay, so we do
have to check every time. Okay, what if you check?
and you get back a different result. Then what? we
have in our apple table. Do we then have to...
Double check. The feed URL that we have and that
Apple has. to make sure that Apple... seems correct because
they can have old stuff in there too. We know
from long experience. that sometimes people don't update their Apple,
their URL in Apple's podcast connect correctly. And so if
we just blindly change it. without checking to make sure
it's right. So this I've just been going round and
round with the logic of this thing, tying myself in
mental knots. But... I'm at the point now where I'm
just going to have to ship something. I don't. Ship
it! Ship it! Because the questions... really have broader ramifications.
about refactoring. a lot of what we're doing. And I'm
not ready to go there right now. So I'm just
going to have to ship something that broadly meets... what
this endpoint is supposed to do and just deal with
the consequences. And once that happens, then next on the
list is Podping.alpha. Yes. You brought up podping.alpha, and that
was my long-winded way of saying it. He's doing the
weave. That's next. That's next. Because I think it's stable.
And I think it's time to... split it out into
the so Right now it's this monolithic thing, so we
need to split it out into a... Podping. Excuse me,
a gossip writer. repo and a gossip listener repo. in
a gossip monitor repo. And the monitor. That term is
a little bit of a misnomer because it's doing, it
is monitoring, but it's also doing management of the swarm.
So it's... Eero. uh uses high power view And it's
prone to... having drift, we've talked about this before, nodes
can drift off to where they're quote, poorly connected. they
can kind of isolate themselves off where they don't have
a good, they don't have more, they only have one
path. to the swarm. Like incels. Insane. Hero incel. It's
like an NSFW Reddit. Yeah. And so... A dangling bastard.
So the monitor... The Podbean Monitor. Watches for those things.
And then... gently reaches out and pulls them back into
the family. How sweet. How sweet. Yeah, it just gives
a little gentle nudge. Come on back, baby. Come on
back to the fan. Come on. Why so cold, sugar?
Come on back. And so, and it does that by
sending, it does that by sending some messages saying, here
is a set of nodes. that you should try to
connect to right now. And that instantly gets it back.
up and running where it's well connected. So that once
that happens. Once we get those repos split out. then
we can bake them directly into the podping.cloud. servers so
that They are riding to Hive and to... gossip at
the same time. So that's the plan. I like it.
Thanks. I'm just waiting until you tell me it's safe
for me to launch a Linode with running one of
these things. Just a little $5 a month. Yeah, totally.
Run it. Yeah, just let it run. I just, right
now, like, ah, I gotta go upgrade and do all
this stuff. It feels like a lot. I just want,
when it's... When it's, uh, when you got an RC.
I really, yeah, okay, RC2, wait for RC2, RC1's brittle.
Gold master. Yeah, that's what I want. Nathan said he's
running a gossip listener as well. Yes, anybody who... and
Eric and Archie's running a bunch. So anybody who wants
to run one, feel free. The more, the better. The
more people that run a gossip listener. the better. the
swarm will operate. The more there are, the more stable
the whole... Pierce Warren becomes. I think the whole idea
is fantastic. Now, can I poison and stuff by, if
I run my... My gossiper and it just starts spouting
off stuff that's incorrect and lies. No. Okay. Because There
are trusted nodes. And the trusted nodes list will initially
just only contain. the five pod ping dot cloud gossip
writers. In the future, there will be... The code's already
in there, but. The gossip writers, if somebody else wants
to run a writer, to push... Podpings out to the
swarm. You can, but initially you will not be trusted,
so the nodes in the swarm will... ignore your stuff.
there is a way to, there's a voting mechanism that
happens like a plebiscite. Where? Plebiscite. Ooh. We're the... So
it's like... It's a, yeah, it's a pod, it's a
podcast. plebiscite where you have all these uh the the
nodes like if i trust your node And you mark.
A note is trusted. It propagates. So like the five,
the five, the pod pain dot cloud. initial riders. If
somebody else fires one up and we trust that person...
Let's say that it's you or Nathan or Eric PP
or Archie or somebody. we can, uh, or, or bus
route or Apple or anybody else. We can... Mark them
as trusted on thepodping.com. cloud host. And that will propagate
and everyone else will inherit that trust. We can vote
nodes off the island. Yeah, exactly. We love that. Yes,
yes, yes, yes. Um. So yeah, that's the initial idea.
And that's already in there, that code word. Like it.
That's what it's gonna be, so, uh... I hope it
works. It seems to be. We're depending on it. I've
already got some stuff that's depending on that. signal so
uh i love this man i love that we talked
about a whole bunch of stuff and didn't once talk
about uh 30 seconds is a play! I could I
could so care less about that me too I gave
everybody my idea And no one jumped on it, so
it's good. What was I hearing? I wrote this down.
was it That was on, I think it was on.
Hot News Weekly Review The indie middle class. I hate
two words I hate. Indie. I hate the indie. Why
do you hate? Why does that? bother you so much
because You're a podcaster. There's no such thing as indie.
That is being a podcaster. You are by definition independent
if you're a podcaster. So now there's these, this is
delineate. It's like open RSS. I despise that too. It's
RSS, not open RSS. It's RSS. Because when you say
indie podcaster, it means that the other ones who are
not indie, those are the podcasters. Yeah, something like that.
Okay, I'm down with that. Well, it was an interesting
conversation I heard. Yeah, so indie, the indie middle class,
like, why don't you say indie middle class with one
leg, okay? Thank you.
Say that. I'll feel better. Did this conversation happen in
the super secret WhatsApp group? No, this is on the,
the, the, the, where was this? Power, a pod news
power. Uh... which is 5,000 to 25,000 downloads a month.
That's only 1% to 1.5% of all podcasts. So there
you are. You were a podcaster, now you're an indie
podcast, now you're 1%. And they can't survive on CPMs.
And what I liked about what the outcome of this
is, is that, yeah, it's. Oh, this was that woman.
Lush. Right, the... Lush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um You know,
instead of selling an audience number. I mean, like this,
we have... I should probably look that up. How many
people do you think listened to this board meeting? I
should look that up. I haven't looked at OP3. Yeah,
I'm going to look. Let's see. Long time. Take a
guess. Do you even know what the OP3 link is?
Yeah. Take a guess. What do you think it is?
Over what time frame? What are we talking about? Monthly.
Just monthly, I guess. Like over 30 days or something?
2,500. Uh, this is interesting. Why can't I find us
here? Oh, here we go. We're on the second page.
What the heck is that? Okay. Uh, let's see. 2,500,
you said? 2141. No, not seven days. 6658. So according
to, that's May. Okay, so over 30 days we had
6,700 roughly. Yeah, so according to OP3, our unique audience
in May was 5,247. So we're right in that indie
range. Oh, cool. Nice. We're indie. But look at the
value that we create. Look at the value that is
running around in this ecosystem of people. We're firmly middle
class. with one leg of people supporting the project, keeping
it running, the joy we get for it. I mean,
this is a hugely successful project and podcast in my
mind. You know, we're not Rogan. But we don't have
to be. And so the value that it creates. for
the people. involved and for you and I personally is
fantastic. This is a success story. If I remember correctly,
that lady was all about brokering deals with advertisers. I
know, but I – They only care about numbers. Right,
but I have a different takeaway. My takeaway is. This
is what V for V is. It's not just about
money. And I think that's hugely underplayed in all podcast
reporting. It's all about money and seconds and plays and
CPMs. Who cares? Podcasting. Don't call me an indie. Podcaster.
See, this is the problem. We already have... controversy because
yes because Daniel J Lewis says Don't confuse the number
of downloads of multiple episodes with the number of people.
Podcasting 2.0 looks to have about 1,800 regular listeners. Whatever.
See, there's already, it's like the OP3 says you have
6,600 unique. 52. 5,200 unique listeners. And Daniel's like, no,
you only have 1,800. There's already controversy. I don't care
either way. I don't care. This, like... On the- on
the- Just because it's a thing that we're talking about
numbers. The- The how long a play is thing is
meaningless because everything caches, not just web browsers. Web browsers
aren't the only ones that cache audio and video. All
decent... apps, cash, audio, and video. Every single one of
them. You find out very quickly when you write a
podcast app. that you can't not do it. You have
to cash a few minutes. Yeah, exactly. At least a
minute and a half to two or three minutes because...
When people go in and out of bad network connectivity,
you have to... to be able to buffer through that.
and Because that's why. We decided early on that Godcaster
was going to send... a play button click once per
user per hour. and a user is defined according to
what um Um, Benjamin, Dan Benjamin and I. came up
with a few years ago, the UL ID, the unique
listener ID. So we generate a UL ID and send
it with everyone and we deduplicate based on that. This
is the problem with having only first party data collectors
like YouTube and Spotify. inside this inside this group driving
these technical definitions. Yeah, exactly. They can see the difference
between a 30 millisecond play and a 30 second play,
but no other podcast apps can. And that's the problem.
They don't have anybody from the world of podcast of.
of podcast app developers in this little group. Now why
would they? It's all BS. Why would they? And they're
dead to me. I was a pirate radio broadcaster for
half of my life. He had no, even when I
was a radio broadcaster. They had no way to really
know how many people were listening. It's statistics based upon
people writing down in a diary. Oh yeah, I listened
to that. I listened to that station. Listen. Oh yeah,
yeah, sure. It's gotten a little more sophisticated. But that
never mattered. I mean, it mattered to station managers later.
What share do we have? Well, we went up a
tenth of a point. Champagne! You know, okay. I never
cared. It was the person who came up to me
in the mall and said, hey, man, I heard your
show. That was great. It's still that way. Yeah. It's
still that way. You know, now... With Godcast, it's kind
of interesting because all those stations, they live off of
donations. And you know, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's, you can
do some, it's interesting for programming the station, you know,
what podcasts that are streamed out, what people listen to,
what placement in the player, you know, and. But it
doesn't excite me. What excites me is someone clicked on
a give button to show that they were interested in
supporting the station or the programming. And that's all that
counts with no agenda. It's the same thing. I don't
care how many people listen. I really don't. People say,
I'm quitting the show. Okay, whatever. I like when people
announce that. I couldn't listen anymore. I unsubscribed. Subscribed. My
nephew the other day sent me this video. And it's
the Mr. Beast people talking about how they... how they
in real time watch their metrics. Oh yeah, to fine
tune what they're doing, absolutely. To fine tune their thumbnail.
Mm-hmm. They can change the thumbnail on a video. hundred
times or more over the lifetime of that video just
tweaking the thumbnail and watching what it takes to to
modify the curve of the of the you know feedback
that they get or the plays Yeah. That is miserable.
Who wants that noise? No, we don't want that in
podcasting. That's horrible. Does anybody want that? That's what metric-based,
number-based... all this stuff work you know that's that's the
way all this works and we don't nobody wants that
no No. Here's how it works with no agenda. Hey,
man, donations are down. Let's complain about it. Yeah, good
idea. And then let's send out a newsletter with a
sad puppy. And people go, oh, yeah, that's right, sad
puppy. Yeah, I got to support those guys. And they
do it. Sometimes on this show, we don't even read
donations. Let's do it right now. we forget. Well, we
have a couple of boosts that have been coming in.
Let's see. Oh, there's Martin Lindeskog. Wow, thank you. 11,235
sats coming in from the true fans. Happy Midsummer. Adam,
have you had matcha sharing? What is that? Virgin Herring
That's Norwegian. That's not Dutch. I think it's Norwegian. Here's
a Fibonacci sequence. Okay, you just whipsawed me. 0, 1,
1, 2, 3, 5. Boostergram. Oh, okay. With 11,235. Oh,
it's a Fibonacci boost. Okay, gotcha. Thank you. Virgin herring?
Do they taste different once they've been around the block?
I think there's something... In Holland, we have... Bye. The
Dutch New Which means it's the first herring of the
season. It's really good. And we eat that. They basically,
they cure it in salt. So for all intents and
purposes, it's raw. But it's been heated up a bit
in salt, and you eat it with onions, and you
hold it by the tail, and just... *laughs* This sounds
so good. Gross, man. No, knock it till you tried
it, man. I don't like anything. 79, 22 from a
salty crayon. Howdy, Dave and Adam was going back to
episode 68 to 75. Who does that? - A lot
of good server juice for new people just from 2022
timeframe about podcasting 2.0 and V4V. Highly recommended people go
back
these early discussions. All right. There you go. There's your
recommendation. There's Dreb Scott with 10,000 sats. Go podcasting. uh
here's another one that came in from this is lyceum
again oh okay 1701 Doing a test boost program before
the live stream. Fascinating how open the podcasting industry is,
including the friendly company. I've now been podcasting for 20
years on my first podcast, Ego Netcast, starting on Prodo's
Solid Vox Philosophical Podcast Network. then blog talk radio and
after that libsyn for many years and then moving to
captivate and now for a short period fountain. The next
home for my podcast will be Beamley. formerly known as
podcastpage.io, Spaceship 1701 Satoshis. Okay, beam. Uh, Beamley? Just, I
just gave them a pod ping token, so they should
be starting pod pings. soon. Nice. Let's see, and... And
we have a fountain user 940187348888328. Got to change your
username. With 2,693 sats from fountain. Thank you very much.
And then a couple of, these will probably show up
on your list. Eric BP. with a couple of test
boosts, which is appreciated. All right. We got some PayPal.
We got Lauren Ball, $24.20. Very nice. Thank you. Appreciate
you. Thank you. Mitchell Downey. That's probably what his mom
calls him. $10? Thank you. When she's mad at him.
Mitchell Downey! Mitchell Robert Downey or whatever his middle name
is. I can't think of a good middle name for
Mitch. Robert, that sounds like he's probably it. Christopher Harabaric,
$10. Thank you, Christopher. Uhhhh... Let's see. We got another
one here. He said, Damon Kassajak, $15. Thank you. Terry
Keller, five bucks. Christopher Cowan, $5. Silicon Florist, $10. Thank
you. Appreciate that. Very appreciated, all of you. These small
numbers add up. That's one server right there. One crawler.
Absolutely. We got Derek J. Visker. The best name in
podcasting, $21. Paul Saltzman, $22.22, like a rock, every single
month. Thank you. Jeremy Gertz, $5. Michael Hall, $5. And
50 cents. Jean Liverman, $5. Thank you, Jean. And also,
Jean, thank you for running your... monitor. He runs, him
and Archie both run uptime monitors for the index. Oh,
very helpful. Very helpful. Todd Cochran? May he rest in
peace. $30. Thank you, Todd. boosting from heaven everybody yeah
like that If he can boost all the way from
heaven, what's your excuse? Thank you. What's your excuse? Exactly.
Uh, Timothy Voice? Ten dollars? So, look at what we
got. Look at this. Buzzsprout, $1,000. Baller, shot caller, 20-inch
blades on the Impala. Keeping it alive. Thank you so
much, boys and girls from Buzzsprout. I truly appreciate that.
That support is just... Phenomenal. So we got, oh. That's
it. We got a comic strip blogger. Yes. 24,000. We
missed him last week. He's like, what happened? What happened?
I told you. I told you he would be the
most mad. He was like the string cut off. That
was the end of the show, bro. We just ended.
Sorry. I'm going to be on his AI Arch Wizard
podcast Sunday night. Ah, nice. Yeah, I'm glad you're doing
that. I really want to do it. It's been a
little crazy. I'm going to set it up. I got
to do it. I got to do it. I got
to put it on my list. Let's see, we got
Comstreet Bugger, 24,000 sass through fountain. He says. Howdy Dave
and Adam. Please subscribe to YouTube channel. Wait, YouTube? This
not podcasting? No. I'm calling a yellow card on that.
Howdy Dave and Adam. Please subscribe to YouTube channel, youtube.com
slash... At symbol, Roger Nash. where my pal from Wales,
Roger Nash, who is Alki, is reviewing... Alki? Alki? Is
reviewing and talking about beer and stuff. Recently, he added
AI-generated timestamps, so topic jumping easier. Yo, CSB, AI Arch
Wizard. All right, CSB. Thank you. Topic jumping through an
Alki podcast. Sounds exciting. That's it. That's our guys. That's
it. All right. Well, look at that. With one minute
and 30 seconds to spare. Oh, well, we got plenty
of time for another topic. No, I think we're good.
I think we've covered a lot. What are you doing
this weekend, brother? You're going to be hanging out? My
wife is in Canada. - Dave's house! - Come on
over. Now she's in Prince Edward Island for a conference.
- Nice. Oh, excellent. So you gotta cook, are you
gonna actually cook or you're getting pizza? Pizza is the
most likely outcome of those choices. We have one Chinese
restaurant in Fredericksburg called Panda. It's not Panda Express, but...
It's called, I love going there. Is it good or
is it like cheap? Oh, it's so good. Oh, no.
It's phenomenal. Yeah, and they're all OG Chinese who have
lived in Fredericksburg for 25... The restaurant's been here for
20 years. Oh, wow. Yeah. So is it like a
full-on Szechuan style? Everything. Oh, yeah. And the whole interior,
everything. It's crazy. and he doesn't like chinese sushi well
that's japanese i'm sorry you know this oh yeah please
don't don't get your people confused it's asian come on
hey why do they even have driver's licenses that say
brown hair brown eyes and brown hair come on let's
uh let's be honest I am very racist. All right,
brother. Well, you have yourself a good one. Get yourself
a pizza. Boardroom, thank you very much for being here
as always. Thank you for being a part of this
wonderful project. And we look forward to doing it all
again on Friday next week where we tell you everything
that's going on in podcasting and whatever else is on
our mind. listening to Podcasting 2.0. Visit podcastindex.org for more
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